Irish people-if you enjoy staying out beyond 1.30am please read this thread

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I'm sure you all know the deal here, the police plan, as of Thursday, to close every club at 1.30. This is not a matter of law and they are applying to the court tomorrow, it may be defeated at that point however it is important that people react straight away in the event that it's not.

From a personal point of view this plan would effectively kill the dance scene in Dublin, but more than that it seems ridiculous that an adult can't have a drink or a dance after 1.30. This is far from a music thing or a scene thing. Fuck it, I'm sure the ILXors whom I know agree with me here, we all know it'll be ten times as dangerous in Dublin if everyone's booted out of clubs at 1.30.

Anyway there's a petition which it'd be great if you'd all sign.

http://www.petitiononline.com/night269/petition.html

Soon there will be a website and a proper organisation to bring together the people protesting a bit more, if any of you would like to get involved or know people who have strong feelings about this, particularly but not exclusively those in the areas of law, health, or sociology, then let me know.

I am fairly confident this will be a flash in the pan decision but it's not worth risking it either.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I had heard about this but was so alarmed, I reckoned it had to be a hoax. This would apply to clubs as well as pubs? I am beginning to wonder why we are all still here...

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Dublin ILXors - let's all move to Glasgow. The weather's the same, the booze is cheaper and we might be able to get the Glasgow ILXors FAPing.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes and the authorities are so much more enlightened in Glasgow................... *pause for hysterical laughter*

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Piss off.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i stayed out beyond 1.30am once in glasgow

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus that fucking SUCKS! i really hope it gets killed in court!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Crosspost

Of course you did. Who is that mentalist?

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, the Irish, such command of the English language and such ready and flashing wit (xpost)

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, we could probably afford a castle, a few thousand acres, a minor peerage and a herd of deer with the proceeds of our two-up-two-down, terraced gaffs.

I'm in.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Super.

Anyone who paints Glasgow in a less than glittering light is no friend of ILX. Those with wit and flair need not bend to convention.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Glasgow still have its curfew? And its ban on public drinking?

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just got my confirmation email and I am being asked to donate a dollar to the cause. Why a dollar? Ronan?

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really like staying out past 1.30 that much anymore - BUT I DEFEND WITH MY LIFE THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO DO IT!

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

And the right to have a drink after an IFI late film...

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Glasgow has a curfew as well, no? I was at the barrowlands once and the band wasnt allowed on past 11pm due to a curfew.
Also isnt there some towns in Scotland that operate a curfew for anyone under 16?

― Bing, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

They are not introducing a curfew in Ireland, they're shortening legal drinking hours. Who cares about people under 16 when the right of the adult is becoming so infringed?

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly what I was saying, moving from Ireland to Scotland in the hope of finding more enlightened attitudes to drinking is very much an out of the frying pan type thang

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Simply not the case.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not 16.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh right, you live in Glasgow?

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you read the thread of are you just here to irritate me?

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The simple pleasures are the best

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't be so hard on yourself.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

*heavy sigh*

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

And the right to have a drink after an IFI late film...

BUT - they don't show late films.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Glasgow has a curfew for getting into clubs, in theory when it was first introduced to prevent the whole of the city centre drinking population from exiting the pubs at the same time. The curfew for clubs was before last orders, originally about 12.30 (at weekends most pubs are open until 1am) City centre pubs can open until 12 during the week, too. In the west end, it's 11 during the week, and 12 at weekends.

Glasgow certainly still has much more enlightened licensing laws than those proposed for Dublin...

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well of course but they still treat their residents like morons and scumbags

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I never had any problems...

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Well try getting into a club when you feel like it and before the Good Burghers of Glasgow have ordained you can

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I've gone into Glasgow clubs after 1AM. Maybe things have changed, or maybe it just depends on the club.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried googling it earlier, to check if they'd changed it, and I read that they'd put it back an hour, which pleased bar staff, as they could clear up and then go clubbing themselves. kind of defeats the original purpose though

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

You still cannae drink in the park of a summer's day!

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i did

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well officially you can't

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

we always amused ourselves in the botanic gardens on summer saturdays and sundays, watching all the posh westenders having their wine confiscated mid-picnic, while we supped our G&Ts, vodka & cokes etc. that we'd decanted into pop bottles.

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The Botanic Gardens in Belfast are good. Maybe all should converge la-bas?

― the finefox, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder what happens to the posh wine that gets confiscated.. i hope the police polish them off themselves

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah the no-drinking in parks thing is stupid. That's the only particularly restrictive thing about Glasgow's alcohol-related bylaws that I have noticed.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's worse than that - it's no drinking in public

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

no, it goes down the drain, like all the other alcohol, cos they can only confiscate it if the bottle's open.

Sorry for the thread derailment.

It's not just glasgow though, public drinking is outlawed in brixton too! (as well as loads of other places)

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus there are areas in Glasgow what are officially dry and where you are not allowed to have a pub

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

that are officially dry - ha ha

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Where the hell are they??

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

There are areas in the Southside that are "dry" - it's a parish thin. Actually where I grew up there were no pubs and there still aren't

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Council estates and pubs are considered a no-no

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, well OK - but that's not a very wide area. I mean not every home can have it's own pub.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

You're officially not allowed to drink on the street or in the park in Ireland either. The list of things you're not allowed to do in Ireland is becoming ever longer.

This nightclub thing is problematic. As far as I can see the reason the gards want to shut down the city and town centres at 1.30am is because they don't have the personnel to police the town centres effectively. Really (I suspect) what they mean is that they can't afford to pay the crippling overtime bill they're faced with for every gard who's on the streets after midnight. So this is their way of forcing the government to allocate them more money in the budget. It seems that Ireland has become a bit like Father Jack. The only way to get it to respond to anything is to threaten its right to drink. Or so the gards reckon.

But I'm like the Vicar. I don't go out after 1.30 much, but by god I used to, and not to drink either. If the nightclubs I used to go to had shut at 1.30, well, my life would probably have been a lot emptier and I wouldn't have all those lovely memories of seagulls flapping up the middle of O'Connell St. at 6am. I don't like the idea and I will be contacting my local TD about it directly. Oh yes.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

petition signed. this would be irritating and silly.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Vicar - the IFI so do have late films. As part of their *seasons* - there's a Horrorthon coming up. Goody!

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you should move, to glasgow.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I do, too.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Vicar - the IFI so do have late films. As part of their *seasons* - there's a Horrorthon coming up. Goody!

mmm, so you like hanging out with chubby mulletheads?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you put on weight? Started to look like Kim Newman?

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

this whole idea really really pisses me off...

without meaning to sound to old,i genuinely do have a problem with a lot of the drunken shit that goes on in ireland (not that i dont go out and get drunk as well,but dublin at night is far more threatening than any equivalent city ive been in) but this really isn't a solution at all...

the whole problem is loads of people horsing a load of shots cause the bar is about to close,then being fucked out on to the street just as the drink kicks in and they're cold,miserable,annoyed and then have to go and queque for ages for burgers or taxis with other drunk,cold miserable people...

if the clubs could close whenever the times people left to go home would be staggered and there would be far less trouble...

plus the cops need to prioritise actually stopping idiots beating people up on the streets,i've seen cops totally ignore drunk people actually involved in fist fights in order to search sober people who might have a bit of hash on them cause its easier than wading in to a scrap...

plus i like going to clubs,but then again i don't think that'll be a huge thing,people will be forced to make their own fun,as happened with free parties,so there should still be a laugh to be had...

still,what a typically stupid irish solution to the problem...

it really does make you despair about the way the country is being run,there's so little common sense...

its like the tunnell they built for trucks that doesnt actually fit trucks!

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

a spokesperson said "this is the one thing we didn't want to happen"

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ps-the donation thing is just the people who provide the mechanism for collecting petitions online looking for a dollar towards keeping the site going,totally voluntary as far as i could see

(unless the whole thing is an elaborate scam perpetrated by sunil sharpe)

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

haha robin, it's funny you make that joke. it's no scam by anyone and I don't know Sunil well enough to make any comment, but there probably is some promoter power to be gained through reactions to all this.

I was at the meeting which formed the new website and I couldn't help thinking that, but I don't think for a second anyone's gunning for that particularly, simple objective, ensure this nonsense is swiftly defeated.

McDowell made comments today saying he had never intended this to happen and that no blanket rejection of nightclub exemptions would occur. So perhaps it's not bleak. I am certainly very confident that this will be defeated, and who knows, now the can of worms re Dublin's nightclub closing times is well and truly open, maybe we'll get later times, ultimately. let's hope so.

http://WWW.GIVEUSTHENIGHT.COM (yes after george bensons classic record)

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I phoned Dana and she agreed it was ridiculous.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Incidentally, I asked someone at work today about the Glasgow 'entering clubs after 12.30' curfew and she remembered it and said it was brought in about 10-12 years ago, at the same time as the no drinking in the street rule, but had been dropped a long time ago.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

this just in: I am about to be given the brief to do a piece about this for Hot Press. finally a soapbox.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Well done.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I phoned Dana and she agreed it was ridiculous.

I hope you didn't promise to back her presidential bid in return for her support.

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean 'pro-life' doesn't mean 'pro-partying-all-night'?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That made me laugh, it did.

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i know ronan,i was only joking...
is that dizzee interview in the hotpress thats out at the moment by the way?

― robin (robin), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

yep. no I know you were joking but it's an interesting area. John Reyn*lds and co all suddenly appear like saints.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"Irsih Times
No Garda objections to city-centre late licences
Carl O'Brien

Nightclub owners yesterday claimed that gardaí appeared to have
abandoned plans to object to the granting of late licences for
premises in Dublin city centre.

A number of late licences and dance licences for pubs and nightclubs
were yesterday granted by Dublin District Court; applications for
city-centre nightclubs are due to be heard before the court today and
tomorrow.

The Garda yesterday declined to comment on whether it would lodge any
objections to the licences, while one source said matters were still
under consideration.

Senior members of the force in Dublin met last week to consider
public-order issues arising from late-night drinking and reportedly
decided to lodge objections when the cases came up this week. If
successful, the move would force some nightclubs to close at 1.30 a.m.

Mr Robbie Fox, a spokesman for the Irish Nightclub Industry
Association, said objections later this week were not expected.

"It's great news, it means our industry is saved," Mr Fox
said. "There was a huge public outcry to these plans. We'll continue
doing what we have been doing. If anything, we're looking to extend
the licensing hours, not restrict them."

A spokeswoman for the Minister for Justice, Mr McDowell, declined to
comment except to say it was a matter for the Garda to object to
licence applications.

However, in a move which some industry sources saw as significant,
the Minister said in a radio interview yesterday that licensing
legislation did not provide for blanket objections and each case
would have to be considered on its own merits.

Nightclubs operate under normal licensing laws for pubs, but have to
regularly seek special exemption orders to allow them to stay open
later. Dance licences are also reviewed annually and a number of
nightclubs are due to have their applications heard before the court
this week.

The Irish Nightclub Industry Association had argued that the Garda
plans had little to do with tackling public-order offences, and had
more to do with lack of Garda resources.

Mr Fox said forcing nightclubs to close at 1.30 a.m. would have
resulted in 30,000 drinkers being let out on to Dublin's streets at
the same time, creating the potential for even bigger public order
problems.

Reports of the Garda's plans sparked an internet-based campaign. The
website, www.giveusthenight.com, had received more than 10,000
signatures yesterday."

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok NOW is the time to get later licensing hours.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Hip! Hip! I was scanning the Irish Times and RTE sites for news today - nothing's brewing. Yay!

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

everyone on this thread I like (I like most of the people who the people I like like) should move, to glasgow.

there are reasons, for glasgow's licensing laws.

you knew that.

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I one that you you like, who is liked by people, who you like, like?

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh my.

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh dear.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone please tell me they like me a little bit before my ego implodes? Thank you.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi, Lara.

I have only just seen this thread, again.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, do you think(,) someone could arrange a new column, in the User Activity section, which covers frequency of comma usage?

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Penelope Irish?

She was, 100 years ago, obviously.

She has many fans. The new one, I mean.

"His true Cozen was Penelope" - imagine!

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't read columns, since poor Myles left us.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw whales on the telly tonight, in Cork. The whales, not me. Obviously, as the sea's too cold and I hate Cork.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I took a while to understand the second sentence.

Maybe I have had too much, to drink?

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Me too, me too. the understanding, not the drinking.

I got a card from you the other day, it was battered but lovely.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The other day? Amn't I after sending it about 2 months ago?

No wonder it was battered.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this now the try dublin more thread?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I just heard on the radio that Iain Paisley has held his first talks in Dublin!

Dubliners, please supply your own punch. Line.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I doubt it, N., as the Dublineuse on it is telling people to try Dublin, less?

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

It is definitely the thread, of the moment.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm trying it for the first time in ages in two weeks time.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

No. RJG would be cross if we stole his thunder. Or even some of the wind.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Iain Paisley refused to visit the Vicar for an acoustic session featuring Where's Me Jumper. Peace talks off!

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Was this because Iain Paisley hates Cork?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, yes, and no - he is afeared of Rener's political militancy.

(Also he's looking very thin - Atkins or Hamptons?)

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Imagine Paisley and the Vicar! They would be OK: they both hate the Provos.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is more militant: Paisley or Rener?

I keep forgetting that the Vicar and Rener have moved. I think I may have sent them a card, to the wrong, old, address.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

And they're both pretend ministers.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread has made me reflect, more, on the poverty of the Irish postal system.

It is called An Post, I think.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

N.: yes.

I got an e-mail from N., the other day. We agreed, about something.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I imagine Paisley would be cowed by the Vicar's intellect.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

That's an Irish Bull.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

As Myles says at the end of his first novel:

Good-bye,

Good-bye.

― the finefox, Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Pf is correct, it is called An Post. This means 'The Post' in Irish. Or as we would say 'as Gaeilge'.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never been to dublin, is it nice?

― cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like stepping into another dimension - so like Britain but... not.

I like it.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they'd let me in.

― cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

try it

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, can you email me details of your 'thing' in November?

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 2 October 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

thank god Dan Perry probably doesn't work at 5 in the morning on Saturdays.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 2 October 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Please also send mpeg attachment.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 2 October 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmpeg.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 3 October 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It's less peg, more baton.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

So, when are we moving to Glasgow?

― Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

We.

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oui.

― Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Mais non!

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Peut etre. I am going to be in Manchester Wed - Sat. Anyone got any suggestions for intersting activities? I may just spend my time getting pampered in the Radisson spa otherwise...

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a brilliant Oxfam shop in Manchester (I assume they have them everywhere). It's where all the really cool designer stuff goes. Oxfam Originals? Something like that. Anyway, it's expensive but you don't have to worry about rifling through tons of crap to find good stuff.

Jesus, how sad is it to only know towns by what the Oxfam shop is like?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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