Project Runway

I watched the debut episode twice. Yes, was really obvious what was coming, and if they hadn't gotten rid of that guy I'd have had to reconsider watching any more b/c I couldn't stand to listen to him talk.

The fashion world reminds me of academe. At least the people look good.

drank milk and did coke?

I was really glad to see the "follow your bliss" guy eliminated, though I thought Starr's garish dress was worse. And I can barely understand anything Heidi Klum says.

Anyway, I'll be rooting for Austin, of course, due to my one degree of separation.

Austin's dress was super. I was convinced he was going to whiff it completely when I saw him trying to weave that stuff together, and then poof! next scene he's got this amazing design. I liked the lawnchair thing too.

watching project runway reminds me of the crits i had when i was a graphic design program, except with scary ugly germans and no background music.

lastly: doesnt the closing music of the show sound like "stay dont go" by spoon? im totally convinced they sampled the beatboxing part of it.

poor Starr. I sympathize in a way w/what happens when you drop someone in a totally new environment w/entirely different rules & start ratcheting up the pressure. if she works really hard on the craft she may eventually produce some good designs.

as long as Austin, Kara, and Robert make the last rounds I am content. Jay is one of those people that looks out for lines you should never cross in social situations & soon enough he'll start barging right across them. Kevin is a rockist.

-- gabbneb (gabbne...), December 23rd, 2004. (gabbneb) (link)

whoa, like i totally did not realize this fact! was it mentioned on the show?!

seriously though, thats what makes her compelling. i mean, she's a lawyer and she cant last through a critique, which is not unlike being on trial.

austin is way too costumey and wont compromise his ideals for specific projects [his dress for #3 was too springlike for a winter collection].

i tagged jay as crashing and burning early because he wouldnt be able to adapt to the challenges at hand, but this hasnt been the case. dont count him out just yet.

kara's work is very thought out and incredibly well executed -- i could see her being the winner.

i dont know what to make of kevin. his responses to everything has been really well done. definately will be there until the end, unless something disastrous happens.

i kind of find nora's work to be too hip at times. cutting down large segments of the population is not going to help her business down the line.

robert's work is awful, just as cliched and contrived as starr's stuff, but in a different way. no wonder he divorced his wife and came back to the states -- just by the kinds of things he's put women in, the guy has no understanding of the opposite sex. men's suits? fake fur? what the fuck? i dont think he'll last much longer. by the promos ive seen for the next episode, supposedly he cracks his head open on a sidewalk after showing off how macho he is. serves him right.

vanessa, hm, another one i cant quite pin down. solid work but seems like an incredibly shitty person other wise. im sure that will bite her in the ass.

wendy could win this -- she made her mistakes early and is now being very careful about what she does. but who knows?

I like suits! If I were to seriously take the time to learn how to make anything, it'd be a really well tailored suit. Someday.. And yeah, Robert comes off as having plenty of cliched & ridiculous ideas about women. I figured there had to be a layer of irony to that, but maybe I'm just giving him wayyy too much benefit of the doubt b/c he is really good looking (and maybe that's yr layer of irony right there).

also, Tim rules it. I adore him. He should have his own show.

"Cotton is the official fabric of Project Runway"

I wonder if the ratings are any better for this episode. I was like jumping up and down, I was so excited that it was back on the air.

I still am not fond of Kevin but he behaved better this week. That singer! Ouch! Can we not have any more goth-lolita-gone-bad business ever again? Jay's outfit was the best by a mile, minus that awful skirt thing.

http://www.bravotv.com/Project_Runway/Episode_4/Tims_Take_1.shtml

The three in turn selected their team members in a classic, wincingly painful process that all of us who were the last to be selected for softball remember all too well. (I certainly do!)

when I saw that pile of shredded fabric that would become the removable skirt, it looked like puke from Pee Wee's Playhouse and I thought, "uh-oh…", but they transformed it into something truly fabulous.

Believe me when I say that this industry responds to more garbage and bull*#!@, simply because the individual pitching the work is so passionate and artful in how the bull*#!@ is presented.

I wanna be a fashion designer. Except.. like Vanessa, I can't sew.

also, the first time i've ever wanted to watch multiple episodes of any reality show.

Austin is costumey and doesn't listen. I didn't think he had such a limited range but that was probably because the first dress was cornhusks. He's kind of doing the same thing every week and getting away with it (usually) because it is beautiful, and others have really fucked up.

I still don't know if Rob is super talented or what his style is. I think he's one of the few contestants who might be a real surprise, while with most, you kind of know what they'll do..

kevin - mistakes all around, first one being MORGAN. [why havent all of the designers put their competitiveness aside for a second, to collectively decide to oust her?] the second was designing a suit that didnt even seem like a suit. the third was letting morgan leave the party in his outfit.

alexandra - finally, stuck on the nail of her own unoriginality. it seems like she would be useful in the upcoming episode though because she's solid, no-nonsense worker.

jay - his suit was awesome but i hope he takes the comment about appearing more "serious" for the next challenge.

I didn't like Austin's suit. It made me want to barf, and so does his personality at this point. Jay rules it, but he does tend to undercut himself while Austin seems able to thoroughly inhabit the world of his own, uh, bullshit.

Rob is a peculiar personality indeed. I didn't love his suit but it wasn't terrible.

this picture is awesome.

Who did that? Crazy.

i think being a two-faced bitch ranks pretty high in my book. for a while, i was into her but after all her "this is my last chance" speeches and stuff, i dont think she has what it takes to win.

Maybe I'm indulging my contrarian impulses here; I was reading the Television Without Pity board on Project Runway and there are all these smug women ripping "the Pepper" up one side and down the other for being bitchy, frumpy, and overweight - all while these same people are being incredibly bitchy themselves and complaining that Banana Republic doesn't make plus sizes (ie larger than a 16!).

I'm just catching up on this show after watching a marathon of reruns the other night, but now it's my favorite show ever.

I'm wondering how much influence the producers have in who gets the boot. There's a blurb about that in the credits. Do the Weinsteins really make the choices? I'm guessing they'll keep the 2 flamboyant guys to the end for their TV appeal.

That one who compared women to sports cars is not a very good designer and not all that TVgenic. I'm surprised he hasn't gone yet.

i dont care if she's frumpy or overweight [hey, i am too]. i just have issues with the two-faced behavior of hers. i would not be surprised if she started in with kara. ive dealt with this type of person numerous times through art school and beyond. somewhere down the line, they screw themselves over.

ive found wendy's work to be fairly uninteresting throughout the series. her only win was uncaptivating [yet its inherent boringness was perfect for the banana republic line] and with each challenge, she does something wrong.

i am very surprised she was not eliminated last night -- a missing part on a swimsuit is a huge error. in my experience as a freelance graphic designer / photographer, omitting something clearly integral to the project would cost me my job.

also, for someone who's incoming portfolio appeared to be nothing but formalwear, i was totally non-plussed by her wedding gown. tim was 100% correct in his assessment of her inability to work with asymmetry.

btw, note the loosened tie:
http://www.bravotv.com/images/Project_Runway/Scrapbook/pic_scrapbook_ep6_11.jpg

puke.

Austin is gross, his Yves Saint Laurent impression was off-putting from the start. I'm surprised noone called him out on that, I mean the glasses and the hair....c'mon, it's so obvious who he's imitating!
And his clothes are a bit too costumey.....love his makeup though.

Can't wait for next week. POST OFFICE UNIFORMS!!!! Who are the powers that be behind this show and what are they smoking? I love them!!! I love them even more for making the designers dress up in post office uniforms! Genius!

so the final three are definitely kara, jay and austin, yah?

kara saun's outfit looked like it will be sold in the charlotte rousse's (sp?) of the future...
or a costume for blade 6 or something. euch.

Vanessa Riley interview! http://www.popgurls.com/article_show.php3?id=529

And yeah, OK, Austin is talented, but the clothes make me want to barf. For me, Austin Scarlett is kind of like the Amélie movie - all these people are like "oohlala! I just love love love my happy fairy tale with the pretty foofy princess!" and I'm like "OMG THIS IS TEH SUCK" and then people hate me.

The producers are keeping the evil Pepper around, it's too obvious. Her outfit was the worst by far. arrrgh.

I bet ya 100 bucks that Kevin is the one who drew on Wendy's photo.

Tim on Austin: Little Lord Fauntleroy 2005

Hahaha. I wish they hadn't ditched Rob. He makes me laugh, dammit! Oh well. "Reality" TV. Wendy's outfit was teh suck. Don't get me wrong, Austin's and Robert's were plenty lame too, but not as lame.

What I noticed in the not knowing how to act.. when Karasaun set up a meeting so they'd all be able to explain themselves well on the runway, Wendy disrupted things continually laughing at the 'pseudo-intellectual crap' everyone was saying. But it's part of the game. I think, at the end of the day, she hates the fashion world and all the pretty people who live there, and yet is fascinated by it and seeks some kind of validation.

Austin Scarlett revealed

jay is totally cool and has been my fave personality-wise for many episodes, but karasaun wins hands down design-wise tho. austin's a hoot in a cariacature sort of way. rob seems vacant on skills, but manages to charm them with a pitch that seems pretty empty too... "penis envy"? "a woman is like a sport car?" ... let me see if i can try... "a designer is like a bad cologne commercial?"

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ugh...
robert may have skirted by week after week on finite talent, but his reaction to being eliminated was totally classic (and classy). he actually did enjoy himself, i think, and realized his own inadequacies.
i imagine wendy will just be ungrateful and ugly when she loses next week, and she will have wasted this entire time with her negativity and poison.

I realized in the last episode that Rob reminds me of an old friend who I haven't seen in a while and miss quite a lot - a bright, good-looking, utterly charming guy who nevertheless provoked plenty of OMGWTFLOL reactions & wondering what planet he lived on. I still think he's not untalented, just scatterbrained and too willing to coast as far as possible on charm. Also, yeah, I think it has been clear for a while who the top 3 designers really are - and it was better to be positive and enjoy the opportunity instead of (a la Wendy) taking it as a signal to manipulate and backstab your way to the finals in order to compensate for a lesser talent. It's really nice to see somebody who isn't all complexé about not being the best.

The goofy camraderie among four of the last five, the whole dynamic is a lot like this house where I lived a couple years ago. Awww. We threw some great parties.

otm on wendy you two. maybe i was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but i think you guys prove a good point. you'd think she would salvage her image a little and go out gracefully. hello reruns! who wants to be known for even 15 minutes as a freak?
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ten years and they are all married with kids and buying houses in the suburbs, right?

i also like that even though there were bad decisions made along the way - some of the eliminations made little sense - i feel like the final three are the proper final three. i thought alexandra's elimination was dumb, because really, duh, art is imitative, and it's really okay to draw inspiration from prior art (whereas it's not okay to make a bathing suit with no bottom!). and wendy only passed this week for the drama of it, right? but the final three are the right finalists, i believe it in my heart of hearts.

god... yeah... and trying to convince themselves that somehow they aren't doing that the bad way!

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it's like when little kids dress up like grown-ups, or people with baby faces smoke cigarettes. they don't wear it well.

http://tinyurl.com/6oe8y

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Maybe I should go to art school. That would break my "no more school for the rest of my life" rule, but..

On another wire service (Getty?) there are larger images of some of the outfits. KS just blows everyone out of the water.

Karasaun would've won that challenge if she ditched the trousers, I bet.

Kors was right about the dress-over-pants being kind of played.. And yet, though I do love love love Jay, his look always makes me think it's too heavily inspired by what I've seen the RISD kids and film studies crowds wearing in the past two years. It's also incredibly closed-off from other people, which is odd for a dude like him but makes some kind of paradoxical sense.. to me, his clothes are all like "yeah, I kinda want to be noticed for looking fantastic, but I just can't handle talking to anyone right now, so bring me my headphones and my iPod stocked with robot disco."

The thing about KS is that she was the only one who chose to stay in professional mode the whole way through, so we never got to know her too well. Seems that she has been in the industry long enough to be more hesitant to take major risks (a la the fantastic Envy dress) as the show progressed, or to let down her personal guard. I think Wendy's Wendyness threw KS off her game a little, although on the site Tim attributes everyone's lackluster stuff to not taking a risk because they just wanted NOT to be out. Although.. I also think Jay just can't and won't do that fake-tan-Hollywood-sexy thing that Nancy whats-her-face seemed to expect. Jay's stuff is really all wrapped up and kind of shy, which again, is odd when you consider he used to work in the porn industry!

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I'm still trying to make sense of what I saw there. (Search for Project Runway and see what I mean.) I guess there must be another big twist coming.

Do you think Austin will really get to design Access Hollywood lady's Oscar gown?

Voila voila..!

Oh, and Mario calls Tim a hot bitch. Fantastic.

dude, austin and a cape. was he on his way home from a jane eyre performance?

where's tiny tim?

lot's of fun tho.
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Jay is going to turn into a total overbearing perfectionistic megalomaniac if he hasn't already! Also, Rob.. just does not mind. OMGWTFLOL, etc.

KS is still the best designer out of the four.

Vanessa comes off looking almost worse than Wendy.

I had to feel a little sorry for Wendy. The producers used her as a pawn to add drama. Remember when Hot Bitch asked Wendy if she'd be willing to say something about Kevin's leadership? Then they put her in the hot spot on the runway. Still, it's true that she viewed the whole thing from a gross competitive angle, instead of making it on the strength of her merits she played on other's weaknesses. She said she wanted to win so she could "wave at Kara Saun in her rear view mirror" instead of wanting it for the love of design and fashion.

But maybe in a less weird environment, Wendy is not that horrible.

I'm pretty sure Austin is the one who actually drew on the picture.

austin's condemnation of the person with the pen did seem overacted.

i wouldn't put it past the producers to do it themselves. or the incident involving, "i didn't take the bitches dye!"
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jay might have accused her of treating this af it were "survivor" but i have to wonder, if its not that, then what is it? project runway isnt a series about the lives of designers -- its a *competition*, complete with a grand prize. one person is the winner. real life doesnt have winners. competitions do. wendy is the only one who acknowledges this very simple fact and uses it as the justification of her behavior. i sincerely doubt she would strategize and act as cutthroat as she has on the show if this real life. but its not. its a GAME.

kara points out that you cant sell your soul to win and she's kind of right, but once again, i wonder how many times she questioned her own ethics/morals/ideals in order to establish herself in hollywood. i refuse to believe she is operating on purely altruistic motives. if one truly believes in the spirit of art, you dont have confrontations like the one thats airing in the commerical for next week.

furthermore, i fail to see what made vanessa's interview upset the other cast members. she doesnt tell who the winner is, nor does it give away any vital information that would put her in breach of contract and/or take away interest from the show.

i think its fair to regret something and she voices that opinion. she's one of the few designers on the cast that actually has her own line / stores / etc -- i could see how that may impact a person's business, for better or worse. in the case of vanessa, it did both.

I think the "cool kids" pile on Wendy was shitty, though I know how that tends to happen, hip unique special individuals do travel in packs. At least a few of them stayed out of it.

I also found it nice that Wendy Fucking Pepper was almost roundly ignored in the final discussions by the judges.

I DEMAND pix of Tim Gunn arriving at Jay's house in Pennsylvania!

i was happy to see KS swallow a nugget. miss self-righteous needed taken down a notch. i think the producers did a fine job of making wendy less of a bad guy for this episode, which is nice. she's still paranoid as hell tho! sheesh!

everybody on this thead, stay back from me! you've all got motives!

i got a spacebar and i know how to use it!
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I loved Jay's line. It looked like the direction fashion is going. And I was glad they acknowledged his innate creativity and gave that precedence over KS's polish and professionalism.

To be honest, I liked Wendy's clothes better than Kara's. Then again, I'm middle-aged. And I've never been such a fan of leather and fur.

Wendy came off better than I'd expected, actually. I thought KS's refusing to speak to her was incredibly childish and was glad Wendy called bullshit on it. Anyhow, Wendy struck me as very DC careerist conservative, in demeanor & in taste, so she made more sense to me after this episode.

no joke! that was something that sorta stuck out that the judges missed... "oh he's just sitting in pennsylvania doing his own little thing!" well, not really. cross fort thunder yarnism with japanese anime/cosplay fashions... aherm.

another note: dude, i really hated the music wendy chose for her models to walk to. omg badness. i know that shouldn't matter, but it was painful.

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and wendy, ew. she comes from creepy old southern money. did you see her face when she called jay a "whippin' boy"? im sure she would have preferred "slave" or something far worse.

KS disappointed me with the shoe incident and the clothes were ultimately too thirties/too deco, though I absolutely understand the kind of rage she had where she could barely speak to WP or even sleep in the same room as her.

So those who grew up in L.A. are only capable of "vapid glamour?" Please.

i didn't think that was WP, but more the producers trying to lighten the hate mail a little. i don't like wendy's work and she definitely can't defend her craziness, but look at her from the point of view that she's near 40ish, she's desperate for some kind of break, and this show was maybe her last chance to try to get to her dream job. at least she believes that. in that context, her behavior ain't shit. i still say, on a savagery ten scale graded for The Apprentice, she's a mean 3.

let's face it, there are a lot of wendy peppers out there who won't even get the shot she got. who among them would gladly fight and do even worse to get the same chance she got? plenty i bet. i don't have my dream job. what would i do? i can't say really. ask me in ten years when i'm shopping for knife sharpeners. heh.
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had to share.

Wendy Pepper passed away.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/17/wendy-pepper-project-runway-dead/

Last month, Mychael Knight from season 3 died

http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/17/project-runway-contestant-mychael-knight-dead/

Watching the climate change episode rn

man there are a million threads on this show

Anyone watching this first post-Klum & Gunn season? I was skeptical at first but it's been pretty good (with a note that my watching over the past few years was kind of spotty), Christian Siriano is a way more empathetic and involved consultant. I thought he did a good job in this week's setting up CFDA mentorship for the winner; I seem to remember him being the one that said publicly it was kind of insane after he won PR, he had no idea how to run a business and it was overwhelming. I also like Kloss against my better judgement (knowing she's with a Kushner). AS for the calls on the contestants: it seems obvious to me that Bishme is the best of the remaining designers (Garo is good but that corset thing gets tired...I know that's his whole gig but it would be good to see something without it) and the less said about millenial sunshine the better.

I am on episode 5? The episodes seem really long and I don't love the new workspace (it makes everything seem muted) but i agree with most of your comments re Siriano and Kloss (also omg she is so tall). I kind of laugh at the stylist. Like, I like her attitude but whenever they show her instagram posts of her squatty fashion I laugh.

Siriano is crazy talented. I am so happy that his business is doing well.

I have no clue who that male judge is but he sucks.

He bugged me for a while too but I came around on him by the end of the season. He's no zak posen obviously.

How dare you forget Michael Kors!

Kors was annoying.

the lifetime-era heidi/tim/posen seasons were really enjoyable... i tried watching the new season and after two episodes i just thought it had lost almost all of the magic. but maybe i wasn't being generous enough

you guys are right about christian tho, he was clearly the bright spot

My main problem with the lifetime era was the odd suburbaness of it. Like being sponsored by JC Penny and Red Robin.

I think I appreciated Kors' bone deep bitchiness that comes with age.

Siriano is the most successful of any PR winner, AFAIK; in fact, he may be the only successful one? What has happened to the others?

I love the new season - turns out the majority of the Lifetime guard leaving has been the best thing the show has done in years. Christian Siriano is, as noted, the best thing about the show so far. He's less paternal than Tim Gunn, but more helpful. Karlie Kloss is whatever as a host. I actually like Brandon Maxwell, he's clearly Kors-lite but he's still critical when it counts.

Out of the final four, I'm rooting for Sebastian. Bishme for my runner-up. I can't stand Garo and his fucking corsets and Hester is v hit-or-miss.

xpost I watched the super All Star season with international winners from past seasons. I think there have been some successful people just not on the level as Siriano actually doing high fashion.

yeah I just dug up an article on all the winners, most are still working in fashion in some way but none at his level. I forgot about some of those earlier winners, like that asshole neck tattoo dude.

I was trying to find this lengthy older article about Siriano's business problems post PR but everything hitting is from this year's PR debut. It was really good though that he embraced designing for non-model types in a way that felt sincere and not just cashing in in the moment. Like it was obscene that no one wanted to design a dress for Leslie Jones.

The right designer won! What a great season, really.

Also, the next season is airing this fall? Really? Did they shoot these these new Bravo seasons back to back?

I am assuming Hester Cosplay did not win? I think I am still around 8 designers left.

completely random but yesterday in a super small one stall bathroom at a conveyer belt sushi place i startled the woman at the sink by yelling "YOU WERE ON PROJECT RUNWAY!" (it was the super angular asian model on the recent season)

anyone tune into Making the Cut? It's quite good. As much as I like Christian Siriano he's the only thing about PR that is still good.

Making the Cut is essentially exactly the same show, with the difference that all the designers are a lot further along in their careers and the prize money is way higher so the expectation is that whoever wins this really will launch into a much bigger brand. So far there have also been fewer design fails. The only thing I dont like about Making the Cut is that the judge panel has Naomi Campbell on it and she's so incredibly unpleasant.

I am LOVING this show. The clothes are amazing. Sander and Esther are my favourites and I really don't see what they see in Johnny.

Naomi is great TV. I can see how her directness can come across as rude but I actually think it's very honest and the praise she gives is always really precise and useful and celebratory. I'm sure Simon Cowell has said nastier things on his shows and got away with it.

Chiara Ferragni seems the weak link to me - she doesn't seem to have anything useful to contribute. It is hilarious how blatant they've made it that Nicole Richie couldn't get a visa for Japan though.

Also the budget for this must be unreal. Not just the main prize but the weekly ones too. And it looks gorgeous on screen too. When Esther went for a swim I wanted to jump in that water, it was so beautifully shot.

oh is that what happened to richie? I actually forgot she was even on it. you'd think they would have researched that more before hand.

wait are there THREE shows like this now

the Netflix one was quite good, or at least the designers were

the one bad thing about this show: the music is unbearable. too loud, generic, awful. go back to some bland vocal-free stuff please.

you guys are talking about Making the Cut? I only saw some headline about it dissing on Amazon so I kind of overlooked it, but it's good?

Yes. If you liked PR with Heidi and Tim you'll like it, it's essentially the same show with a bigger budget and more accomplished designers.

oh this was the headline that I think turned me off from watching it, "Making the Cut Is a Thinly Disguised Amazon Marketing Campaign".

eh, PR itself was a marketing campaign for the different brands they took on as sponsors and it was more intrusive IMO.

oh yes the music is massively distracting, although 20+ seasons of ANTM has kinda made it easy for me to overlook it now. I don't think it's too bad in terms of pushing Amazon - you're watching it on Amazon Prime and they sell the clothes on their website but it doesn't seem any more heavy-handed than the various sponsored shoes-and-accessories walls on Project Runway. Heidi and Tim get some interludes to themselves and usually these things are quite cringey but I find them really endearing, Tim is such a sweetheart and Heidi seems a lot more relaxed in this than I've ever seen her. I like that the show is much more focussed on the design rather than the craft (cf getting the seamstresses in overnight, off camera, to fashion the garments based on instructions) and also the dynamics between contestants seems particuarly peaceful for this kind of show.

I tried with Alexa and Tan but I've always found Alexa to be massively unlikable and Tan seemed equally awful so we didn't even make it through five minutes of that.

as I say, they had to be tolerated - the contestants made it worth it

xpost I knew PR was over in that incarnation when it had Red Robin as a sponsor.

but i guess the idea is that amazon is an entirely different beast in terms of pushing their total takeover of everything in the world (all their new lines of "branded" clothes now). I really want to completely cut off amazon, but it is extremely difficult. I did get rid of Prime. awwww... i like Alexa so much.

Enjoying Making the Cut on amazon but not completely getting the judging process which it doesn't seem very well thought through as a thing for the viewer to process. Picking just a couple out to talk to then HK asking the other judges if anyone has changed their mind? Kinda stupid, imo. There are a lot of nice contestants in it though! Naiomi is fierce and fearless as a judge! I'm only on episode three so please flag spoilers if you have got further. Ta.

oops, sorry, I searched for this through the site function but didn't realise it had already been discussed - Just swiped straight to the bottom and posted.

The Netflix one had different problems. It seems that in order to avoid litigation for copyright for the shows themselves you have to make certain processes more distinct so that it's not a straight copy of another show but in doing that you simply make the thing needlessly complicated in increasingly atomised judging processes.

The judging makes more sense the less of them there are

Good to hear.

I'd imagine Naomi's fee for this approaches the entire budget for the other similar shows on its own.

Tim Gunn is such a gentle soul.

EP 4 SPOLIER

It was quite clear that Esther was the winner of that but that they couldn't make her win again three times out of four.

seems obvious that esther is going to win the whole thing unless the avant garde guy steps it up a bit

what really needs to stop is the Heidi and Tim hanging out interludes, which it goes without saying are total shite, we just need more Naiomi and her lack of filter. There are literally zero people watching this that want to watch those.

(those H&T 'ludes)

Oh I like the interludes! But I have so much affection for Tim doing, well, anything. The Heidi and Chiara one was rubbish

I mean... obviously these interludes would be 100% better if they replaced Heidi with Naomi and Tim with a Nokia 3310 handset

I like Sander but he seems to be taking a stupidly long time working out how the avant brands exist. Comme des Garcons don't make money by selling cocoon dresses with mad bulges and no armholes. We know all the other things they do to build their brand and it's sometimes inside out suiting in plaid and it's even sometimes converse plimsolls or t-shirts with hearts-with-eyes at £120.

to steer it back to Project Runway proper, I've watched the last two seasons and honestly, since it's gone back to Bravo, it's been as good as it's ever been? I really like Brandon Maxwell and this may be recency bias talking, and I know this might be heresy to most, but Christian Siriano might be a better mentor than Tim Gunn ever is/was? He's a lot less paternal/father figure-like (which I know goes against being a mentor for some), gives more practical advice, and knows when to push the designers to be pragmatic or take risks when necessary, which I honestly don't remember Tim Gunn ever doing

From a purely teaching perspective I don’t think that Christian is a good mentor at all; but that being said I really like him on the show

Tim was so great at problem solving but also getting the designer to come to the better solution WITH him, rather than just telling them it sucks or it’s good. It’s an underrated skill. And he made ppl feel good even when they were failing.

FYI

I watched the last two episodes.

Let me know when we can *talk*

I've watched the penultimate episode and I am too angry to talk

i feel like Christian doesn't get the respect from the designers that he deserves.

I've now watched the final and I am not impressed at all!

Also the last two minutes of this was like the end of an early noughties episode of Big Brother

I've watched the penultimate episode and I am too angry to talk

― boxedjoy, Friday, 24 April 2020 19:27 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Totally.

well these posts are helping narrow down our forthcoming fashion fix to just the Siriano PR haha

this is why you should stomach Tan and Alexa, folks: they give you what you want

the main problem with PR is that the episodes are way way way too long.

even the new one?

*SPOILERS*

So, Sander should not have gone after the pop-up-shop challenge, he totally switched up his whole game. Then he should not have won over Esther. Did they just want an American winner? It's the only possible explanation, imo.

he=Jonnie.

the "Hungry 4 Success" messaging and cutlery print (!) was probably the fastest I have ever been drained of goodwill to a reality show contestant ever, what a truly awful direction to go in

Sander showing versatility, high-fashion looks, commercial appeal, a USP to his pop-up and a willingness to adapt over the season, all made me think this was a set-up. I've seen clothes that were like Johnny's but nicer in the Zara sale.

I did laugh when the woman from Amazon turned up in that bright floral print though - Esther had no chance!

i'm interested in how egregious this was compared to, say, Gretchen beating Mondo on PR, then a few years later turning out to be grifting a living as a life-coach charging $800/h

also we're watching the first Siriano series from last year no spoilers plsss it's good tho

"i'm interested in how egregious this was compared to, say, Gretchen beating Mondo on PR, then a few years later turning out to be grifting a living as a life-coach charging $800/h" I didn't know about that!

I finally watched this. I see why they didn't go with Esther but I disagree with it. It was purely a commercial choice. They were worried she wouldn't want to dilute her aesthetic for mass production.

anyway, in general I still liked this more than recent PR but they have got to turn to the fucking music down next time.

xpost looking online the PR episodes from season 8 onward are a little over 60 minutes as opposed to ~40 minutes. That is way too much filler.

grr last year's PR (only halfway through!) is starting to severely overrate the one designer I'm kind of aesthetically opposed to. they did a video game character challenge and just handed her the win even though the other two at the top were entirely and demonstrably better. why did they have to keep Nina around lol

oh yeah Hester's thing was super tiresome.

thank GOD she did not win (although her final runway contained arguably her best work of the series), still would have preferred to see Bishme's runway

anyway

the winner was ordained from the second episode of the series onward. tt and i looked at each other. he was the one

onto the 2019/2020 season next I guess! no spoilers pretty please. keep spoilering how ghastly Making The Cut was though, I'm enjoying it

omfg both the winner and the elimination in Episode 2 of the latest PR season are so awful I'd almost call it a shark-jump. yeah they can redeem themselves when Devlin hopefully wins the series but Marquise was I so not kid probably my least favourite look and he took the damn thing, and Veronica is a better designer than at least half the room. absolutely insane taste-level fail from the entire judging panel

again, please no spoilers, but omg

lol I guess those were spoilers from me tho. uh-oh

what is the JUDGING in this season wtf

delvin and brittany sitting there 'safe' open-mouthed while the horrifyingly-restored marquise is, somehow, one of the TOP looks is kind of iconic tbf but really, what absolute trash

this series is solid-gold cast-iron bullshit

yeah, i wasn't a fan. and aren't the episodes entirely too long?

they are but the main problem is that they keep liking stuff by absolutely shitty designers, they brought back Marquise and his TERRIBLE boring aesthetic because Dayoung dropped out and now he has OUTLASTED Delvin I am fucking outraged also Sergio is the biggest cunt they've ever had on the show and Nancy is starting to irritate me and I have some time for Victoria but she should have gone instead of Delvin and basically Delvin is the best and if the winner isn't one of Geoffrey or Brittany then frankly I am dead

it is *outrageous* that on this season of extremely mediocre designers, Delvin has finished 7th

have you ever watched the old project runways from australia or canada? they are so much better than the new season.

no...but let alone that, S17 was so much better than this season! and it had goddamn Hester in it the whole way!

oh wow i loved the australia one. it was so campy.

lol Australia does a few things better tbf (Married At First Sight being the pinnacle)

Delvin is the only person to have been eliminated in the past 3 episodes. This is NONSENSE

Delvin and Chelsey the only two to have been eliminated for 5 episodes!

i kind of want to say you could just skip to the end. because it was not a great season at al.

ding ding ding

the show went from awful to amazing during the final elimination for some reason and a great final, so um...otm :)

we had to wade through an awful lot of NONSENSE to get there though!

if this isn't too great a spoiler, was *amazed* by how good Nancy was by the end

Watching Making the Cut finally. Saw the winner's collection on Amazon. I am horrified about how trash it is. It is sooooooo bad. Most things about the actual show are pretty good though, otm posts about it above.

I never finished it, I just couldnt get down with the bizarre & arbitrary judging, it really bugged me

when i saw who won i had doubts that i would be able to finish it. but i am more in it for the scenic views now. They are just heading to Tokyo.

Making The Cut Season 2 on July 16th!

No Naomi Campbell though - she's not willing to gamble catching covid-19 and risk losing her career. And we're getting Jeremy Scott and Winnie Harlow who I think will make up for it. I didn't finish her season of ANTM but I remember Harlow being fantastically rich in personality on ANTM.

Season 2 of Making The Cut has started, first two episodes available. The pandemic is real and apparent - there's no travelling to amazing locations, but the "ranch" they're filming in looks incredible and expensive. It's a very well-cast line-up. There's a mix of exciting clothes and talent, and personalities you want to see win or really hate, which sounds really obvious for this kind of show but it's actually hard to do well. There's been some great looks already, especially Andrea's bridal trousers, and I don't disagree with any of the eliminations yet.

bridal trousers?

yes, trousers that a bride could wear, bridal trousers

Ah, bridal trousers.

gonna trust leading trouser expert boxedjoy on this one tbh

this week's episodes were hilarious. Tim's critiques! Jeremy's speech! The poor management! The modelling! The judges' decisions!

Im sure we all love Gary, right? My wife texted a friend of hers and mentioned she was watching and discovered her friend is college buddies with him. He was, surprise, completely goth in college.

Holy shit the cast of PR this season is insufferable and I’m only 20 minutes into the premier