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Sideways star Thomas Haden Church is to play Spider-Man's arch-enemy in the next instalment of the film series, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

Church, who was Oscar-nominated for his role in Alexander Payne's comedy, will co-star with Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst, stars of the previous two films.

Spider-Man 3 is due for release in May 2007, but its makers are keeping secret the identity of the latest villain.

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Director Sam Raimi said that Church would be "a fantastic and challenging new nemesis" in the latest part of the Spider-Man franchise.

Be on the lookout for new supervillian WINEMAN! He hurls empty bottles with a single bound.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40869000/jpg/_40869317_sideways_still203.jpg http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40388000/jpg/_40388457_spiderman203.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Wings = The Vulture!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Wine bottles are heavy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Mysterio? Sandman?

― Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Underactor and his Evil Twin Overactor!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

He's either The Vulture or Sandman with an outside chance of being Kraven the Hunter.

They should have gotten Paul Giamatti to be The Beetle.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No wait, Paul Giamatti should have been cast as The Fixer!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

rhino surely

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG, Paul Giamatti as Blue Beetle and THC as Booster Gold!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

EXCITED

― Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

if there's any more franco sulking around threatening to put on that shitty goblin suit i'll be bored and i'll let everyone know it

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

how do you yell "ZZZZZZZZZZ"?

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG SPIDEY VS LOWELL RAWFULZ

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

At least that's better than Chloe Sevigny as Black Cat/Felicia Hardy rumor I heard, that would have been icky.

― Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, Chloe Sevigny in an ACTION movie hahahahahahahaha

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Kid: First Blood Part II

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Venom's on the rumour mill.

― BARMS, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Why can't Tobey fight someone his own age, instead of beating up these middle-aged men all the time?

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't they introduce the kid that grows up to be Venom in Spidey2?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Not even gonna rent this one.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.katyberry.com/Vampires/comics/Morbius/Morbius.jpg

I imagine you wouldn't.

― Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, this is awesome because someone TOLD me who the villain is and I can't remember. A coworker has a friend who's a costume effects guy or somesuch. Actually, I think I somehow know a couple people who could know.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Not even gonna rent this one.

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), March 22nd, 2005.

Go play with your friends, then!

― latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If Vince Vaughn doesn't cast Tobey Maguire in his Speed Racer movie I'm pretty sure a gross injustice will have occurred.

― Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Shouldn't the thread title be Spider Manticipation?

― Victor Mackulous (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't do everything! Besides, Manticipation suggests other activities.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Vince Vaughn should be spiderman

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"You're so money, MJ."

i apologise.

― latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Go throw yourself in the greasy Atlantic backwash for that one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I call Church as The Lizard.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

theres already a Dr. Connor or whatever his name is in the movie. He's his teacher who gives him shit at the beginning of 2 and he's in part 1 as well.

― Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck, that's right. Then maybe he's Razorback.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What happened to that dude from Freaks And Geeks turning into Hobgoblin or whatever?

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

My roomate today was talking about how he's heard rumors about Man Wolf being in the movie. Who the fuck is Man Wolf?

― Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/ManWolf/manwolf.htm

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3060/venspider.jpg

YES PLEASE

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

He's probably going to be The Lizard. They've already been setting up that character in throwaway lines in the first two movies.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

If The Lizard ain't Dylan Baker, then I don't wanna be there.

Make him ... THE VULTURE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Sandman or Kraven's cool, too.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO CARES ABOUT SPIDERMAN WHEN THEY'RE MAKING MOVIES ABOUT FRIENDSTER AND CRAIGSLIST

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

craigslist the movie should be about billy bob thornton and owen wilson hooking up and getting leathery to The Faint

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

tom it is very important that you tell me you're kidding.

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

google: friendster topher grace harold ramis

google: 24 hours on craigslist trailer

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

OH FUCK VENOM PLEASE. THC (heh) looks more like Eddie Brock than any of the other villains mentioned on here anyway. I will only be happy if it's venom. Fuck this ancient history stuff.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh wait shit, I don't mean "fuck venom", I mean "OH FUCK! Venom, please!"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

They'd have to figure out a different origin story for the symbiote (Getting into secret wars is obv. not happening), but that wouldn't be too hard.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah shit, I know it's not happening, but I still think it'd be rad.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

For reals though it's going to be Mysterio and that makes me sad.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

theres already a Dr. Connor or whatever his name is in the movie. He's his teacher who gives him shit at the beginning of 2 and he's in part 1 as well.

Yeah, tell it to Billy Dee Williams.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

do the right thing studio fux and get jake gyllenhaaaaal to play bad guy # 3. you KNOW it.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

What would Gyllenhal play, the Spider-Clone, Ben Reilly?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it doesn't matter. you'd probably get a real reaction out of KD tho.

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to see the Hypno-Hustler.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

All Spider-Man villains are lame. I'm sure we proved this five years ago.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the Big Wheel was cool.

― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManH/Large/AmazSpid183.JPG

― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

THE GRIZZLY!

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

WAIT, NO!

ihttp://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManD/Large/Amazing081.JPG

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

THE KANGAROO! ACTUALLY HAS THOMAS HADEN CHURCH'S FACE!

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

re: origina of the black suit -

Well isnt the guy Mary Jane was involved with in the last movie an astronaut? Thats the perfect vehicle right there..

― Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG Mary Jane was involved with ... THE MAN-WOLF!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...

I admit I like the new promo poster. (And as the page it was posted on says, "You may think you’re looking at a black and white photo. Look closely, Spider-Man wears a black suit in Spider-Man 3.")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 March 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile in rather older news, Church is Flint Marko and Topher Grace is in the film. And here's Church:

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/bugle/press_releases/images/img_tchurch.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 March 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

his mind says yes, his left forearm says no no no.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

his black suit didn't have the web 'trim' in the comic, but that looks quite cool.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

so hows that symbiote thing going to come down?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

so his new enemy will be the sandman then -

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:03 (twenty years ago)

I plan to be entertained by the way in which they incorporate the Venom symbiote into the storyline without sending our Tobey off to the Secret Wars.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 March 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Are they going to use this tagline for the film? They should.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/Secretwar8.jpg/389px-Secretwar8.jpg

― TOMBOT, Monday, 13 March 2006 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Topher Grace should play The Rhino.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Nice jazz hands, Venom.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Storyboards for SMIV:

http://www.spidervillain.com/SpiderManCovers/Amazing/ASM139/Page3.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/spiderman/is-it-too-soon-to-start-wondering-if-spiderman-is-gay-183812.php

TRAILER DO YOU SEE

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

THAT TRAILER IS AWESOME, ESP. SANDMAN GETTIN' ALL SANDY.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

INDEED IT IS

LET'S WAIT IN LINE STARTING TODAY

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

i'm still LOLing at tombot's tagline suggestion

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

DIRECTED BY KEN BURNS!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Sandman + Green Goblin + drippy costume + ANGST = OH NOS!

― business up front, party entrance at side door (mike h.), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Super WHO?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

GWEN STACEY?

― Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

CLONEZ

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

CARNAGE

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

How about a SECRET WARS movie? WHO TO PLAY GALACTUS?

― Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

FEZ

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

HUK WINS

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

someone tall

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

n the 2002 film Spider-Man, it is mentioned that a Daily Bugle photographer named "Eddie" hasn't been able to get a good photo of Spider-Man. Presumably this is Eddie Brock, and in the novelization of the film Eddie actually has a cameo and is mentioned by his full name, with J. Jonah Jameson unwittingly making an ironic allusion to Venom by screaming "Next time, get a decent suit!". Brock was set to be played by R.C. Everbeck and a cameo role was filmed, but was cut during production.

In various interviews with the actors of the upcoming 2007 film Spider-Man 3 - such as Thomas Hayden Church - Venom's name has repeatedly been included as one of the movie's villains. While this has yet to be officially announced by Sony, it is widely speculated that he will be played by confirmed cast member Topher Grace. This is in spite of the fact that Sam Raimi has previously expressed a dislike of Venom, going so far as to say that he would not appear in a movie that Raimi would direct. Promotional images later confirmed the presence of the black costume in the film, and the teaser trailer shows the costume to be a living, liquid creature which Peter attempts to dispell within a belltower, just as in the comics. Whether or not the costume is an alien being remains to be seen.

― Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Wolvenom.jpg

― Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha "whether or not the costume is an alien, as a result of it, there will be dinosaurs"

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.oddjack.com/gambling/images/garrett_brad2.jpg = http://www4.ncsu.edu/~chking/fark/galactus.jpg

― ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I guess we know who's playing the Silver Surfer, then.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Venom is some of the dumbest shit ever. Its weird, despite my affection for Raimi, I really hated the first Spider-Man movie, so much so that I didn't see the second.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've got it on DVD, if you wanna come over on the weekend.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

They've been filming all over NYC the past few weeks, including down the street from my apartment and in front of my office building and in front of the courts downtown. Unfortunately, haven't been around during shooting to try out pickup lines on Kirsten Dunst.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

The suit story didn't originally include Venom, did it? The suit just tried to form a symbiosis with Peter (I don't think it was even evil), he got rid of it, and it found the other guy to host it years later. I think the film would have too much going on if it would feature the suit, Sandman, the new Green Goblin and Venom. Hopefully Venom'll wait until episode 4.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

ive seen photos, and peter parker looks like he's gone goth.

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

there has always been a goth element to peter parker, he can be quite the 'creep'

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Man, Raimi-Parker is actually more emo than mainline comics-Parker, like that was even possible.

― Headspin (Barima), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Green Goblin's suit is GREEN and rubbery this time, that metal thing in #1 was (not the right kind of)ridiculous.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

the Goblin in general is a totally ridiculous and heavily dated character, but yeah that metal abomination in the first movie put me right off it.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

The suit story didn't originally include Venom, did it? The suit just tried to form a symbiosis with Peter (I don't think it was even evil), he got rid of it, and it found the other guy to host it years later.

http://www.superherostuff.com/Biographies/SpideyBio.html

The Alien Costume
[In the Secret-Wars] Spider-Man found himself on a satellite in a galexy far from Earth. Along with other super heroes, such as Captain America, and super villains, including Dr. Doom, Spidey was brought to the satellite by a near-omnipotent being called the Beyonder. The Beyonder wanted heroes and villains to fight a war on a planet called Battleworld. [There] Spider-Man fought many battles and his costume was left in tatters then he found a machine that could replace ruined clothing. SPider-Man triggered the clothing machine and a round black object sprang from it. It immediately started to spread up Spidey's arm, and didn't stop until it covered his entire body.

After defeating the villains and escaping the Beyonder, the heroes returned to Earth, and Spider-Man took his alien costume with him. The alien costume always seemed to know what Peter wanted, sometimes even before he did. He learned that his new supersuit was capable of generating a seemingly endless supply of webbing, and that it could also change its appearance at will. Peter and his alien costume were always in some kind of psychic contact, even when physically seperated. If the costume was in a different room, it came [slithered] at Peter's summons. [However] each night while Peter slept, the alien costume secretly slipped over him and took the unconscious Spider-Man wall-crawling at night. The web-swinger awoke each morning with no memory of his nocturnal adventures. All he knew was that he felt more exhausted before he had gone to bed.

As Peter's fatigue continued to grow he slept through the entire day and began to have terrible nightmares. So Spider-Man went to Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic of the Fantastic Four) for help. After an exhaustive series of tests, Mr. Fantastic made a startling pronouncement. Instead of an amazing suit made of some unknown extraterrestrial fabric, Spidey's new costume was actually a living creature. It was a sentient symbiote who had formed a mental and physical bond with the Web-Slinger.

As soon as the symbiote's secret was revealed, it attempted to permanently graft itself to SPider-Man's body. Spider-Man did all he could to escape from the costume, but the symbiote tightened its grip on him, almost crushing Spidey in the process. Luckily ,Reed Richards had discovered that the symbiote was vulnerable to certain sound frequencies. Using theses sound waves, Richards managed to seperate Spidey from the costume. At last our hero was free and the alien was imprisoned.

Later, [during a power failure] the symbiote escaped from the laboratory and pounced on the unsuspecting Spider-Man. In desperation, SPider-Man lured the alien to the bell tower of Our Lady of Saints Church. He knew that the sound of the bells could free him from the symbiote. The alien, knowing that only one of them could survive the ordeal, sacrificed itself to save Peter. [Rid of the old costume Spider-Man went back to his old look.] The Black Cat, however, thought the black costume was sexier [so] she made a cloth version of it as a gift for Spidey. He used both costumes for many months and didn't get rid of his black one until Venom entered his life.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

haha they recount it like a holy scripture WHICH OF COURSE IT IS

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, haven't you learned that (fake) tuomas is only pretending to not understand?

― Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

THE BEYONDER! BATTLEWORLD!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

(also that bio leaves out how the suit became Venom wtf)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Venom isn't Spiderman; I don't know that a site dedicated to Spidey's bio needs to give someone else's bio.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

fuck i'm actually psyched about this

― latebloomer aka rap's yoko ono (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

how is the symbiote coming to earth in this one? meteorite or something like that?

anyway, i'm really excited. i loved Spiderman 2 (didn't like the first one much).

― latebloomer aka rap's yoko ono (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

The first half of Spidey 1 is delightful, it's only the Green Goblin that fucks it up.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Was spidey supposed to be at NYU or columbia?

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Topher Grace will be playing Eddie Brock, though sources say that he may also make an appearance as Spider-Man's fearsome villain and arch-rival, Venom. Several images of him wielding a camera and his brief appearance in the teaser trailer also support this. This is furthered by the fact that several interviews with cast members have confirmed the presence of Venom in the film; however, whether or not this refers to Brock's alternate identity, or simply to the symbiote costume with which he merges is unclear (referring to the symbiote itself as "Venom" is a common mistake -- because of this there are dinosaurs), leading to speculation over whether or not Brock will actually become Venom in this film.

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

I want to say Columbia.

Has anybody noticed what might be Green Goblin II in the trailer? The costume makes me sad. Of course, I think I am the only person alive who actually liked Green Goblin I's Power Rangers monster plastic battlesuit.

I am desperately clinging to might hope that Harry will be the evil mastermind behind the symbiote.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

jon i love you

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Jon considering you work at NYU you should already know the answer to that question.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I assumed it was NYU since his apartment is right above the Shakespeare book store (which is 1.5 blocks from my office -- working on the park = best ever).

Also the pizza place he works at is at Bleeker and 6th ave I think?

But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_University sez that he goes to Columbia in the movie wtf?

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

That's 'cause Columbia is MORE APPROPRIATE FOR SMARTIES j/k.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, he's clearly attending classes on the Columbia campus. Why he lives way the hell downtown instead of in student housing, I'm not really sure but he's definitely at Columbia. There's a shot of the Alma Mater statue in Spidey 2!

However, the building he is shown outside of post-class talking to his instructor is NOT the building where the actual classroom is located which is totally WTF for me. They don't even HAVE science and engineering classes in the building he's standing outside of, it's all foreign language and liberal arts. Hence why all of my classes were in that building and I know for certain the classroom depicted is way the hell on the opposite side of campus.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

... thus there are dinosaurs!

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Crank up the puffery. I think I've seen about twenty different billboard designs now.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

dug it... definitely better than 2.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

Anthony Lane hated it more than Revenge of the Sith. It's hard to tell -- he gets off very few laffs (couldn't be bothered?).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

i hear anthony lane likes earl gray tea, and is a homosexual

― deeznuts, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, I think I am the only person alive who actually liked Green Goblin I's Power Rangers monster plastic battlesuit.

i didn't mind it really either...i mean how else can you portray a character like that for the big screen?

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

they could have made him look like a real goblin.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hollyweird extends franchise one installment too many shockah!

― SeekAltRoute, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

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― latebloomer, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

real goblins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqp9eXgXYHU

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hollyweird extends franchise one installment too many shockah!

-- SeekAltRoute, Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:21 AM (8 hours ago)

have you seen the movie?

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

why bother when you can make unfunny chatbot style posts?? why did you like better than #2, slocki?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

even though it was just as long as 2 it didn't feel so repetitive and redundant

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

and it... i dunno, it was a bit of a mess but i found it pretty entertaining overall, save for the emo beatnik buddy love sequence halfway through.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a little concerned about the sheer amount of everything they're trying to cram in tho?? there seems to be a lot of villains esp. if topher grace goes venom?

XPOST EMO BEATNICK BUDDY LOVE SEQUENCE?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

ya it's really convoluted. but that's ok with me i guess, better that than some lame "peter loses his powers" plot

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

i'm pretty much psyched now.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Slashfic ahoy.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any villain cooperation, or is it basically like boss fights in a video game?

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

surely this can't be better than 2. either way, let's go cgp0rn!

― Gukbe, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

it's very video-gamey but there is some team-up action.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

some team-up action.

I just guessed the ending.

― chap, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

harry potter's in it?

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it ends with a big quidditch match.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gnauk.co.uk/gnaa_hp2/zeikfried.no-ip.com/IMAGES/HELLO2.JPG

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Haha!

― chap, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

oh u bitch

― river wolf, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, he's clearly attending classes on the Columbia campus. Why he lives way the hell downtown instead of in student housing, I'm not really sure but he's definitely at Columbia. There's a shot of the Alma Mater statue in Spidey 2!

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO DELIVER PIZZA 40 BLOCKS

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

With great power comes great responsibility!

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to see this at midnight on Thursday/Friday. I am an excited dork.

― ENBB, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes people up in morningside heights want pizza too, you asshole.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'll wait for the Tobey-Topher-Franco NC-17 threeway edition

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

tobeyleodavidblanenaked.jpg

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

TOO FAKE

actually Topher-Franco wd be goodnuff. Perhaps if Topher Grace had played Spider-Man, Peter Parker wdn't seem like a whiny stoner?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

morbius i think you would like it

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

just kidding

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

wait, topher grace DOESN'T seem like a whiny stoner to you? i can never tell when you're just bald-faced lying.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Not whiny! Or maybe in TM's defense, that horrible, horrible "oh my, superpowers or The Girl, this is Hamlet for mental 12-year-olds" shit is mostly to blame.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

why do you even keep trying to see or discuss movies based on comic books, dude?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted to like these movies I really did but I don't think I can even bring myself to watch this one. Venom is like the stupidest comic book plot device ever.

and Topher woulda TOTALLY made a better Peter Parker than Maguire

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I like them when they are well done. ie, not this series.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

you more of an elektra fan

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

which one(s) did you think were well-done, Morbz?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I've found the recent spate of films (was X-Men the beginning...?) totally horrible, with a couple significant exceptions that I'm pretty sure you didn't appreciate, like the Batman movie.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

(plz don't say the Hulk)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh topher would have been perfect for pp

― river wolf, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Spider Man >>>> Hulk >>>> X-Men

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Trying to think of a good one since Superman II. Does the Japanese Tetsuo count? (I skipped all the X-Men)

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

oh duh, Ghost World.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are both just trying to fuck with everyone, right?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

omg ghost world

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

ooh Tetsuo is fabulous (I've never seen the comic book)

American Splendor?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I do think by-and-large the superhero films all suffer from the crudest of "let's cash-in on this trend" sensibilities. As a child I longed to see comic books translated to the big screen and couldn't understand why it was so rarely done, but now that the market is flooded with the material its just kinda... gross: Elektra, Catwoman, Daredevil, Hellboy, the Hulk, those last couple pre-Nolan Batman movies, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Fantastic Four, V for Vendetta, X-Men 3, Ghost Rider...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

you're blowing my mind here dude.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THREADS

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

okay well then just explain to me how they deal with the Venom-origin thing, cuz I'm assuming there's no Secret Wars/Beyonder sequence

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

I should go to Mike White's Year of the Dog this weekend to support Hollywood films for grownups.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Does battle royale count?

― Will M., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes people up in morningside heights want pizza too, you asshole.

THE PIZZA PLACE IS IN THE WEST VILLAGE AND CLEARLY THE 40 BLOCKS WERE NOT IN MORNINGSIDE HEIGHTS

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

okay well then just explain to me how they deal with the Venom-origin thing, cuz I'm assuming there's no Secret Wars/Beyonder sequence

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, May 1, 2007 12:56 PM (16 minutes ago)

they do the full secret wars thing.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

for crying out loud jon, you're questioning the scope of his pizza delivery service but accepting the fact that he's spiderman??? c'mon.

shakey, i'm not going to defend the majority of those movies, but out of "interest," how many of them have you actually seen?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hellboy and Blade I-II were awesome.

― milo z, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

JW, yr being ridiculously prosaic, it's clearly not the real "New York" as there was a big Chicago El train running fucking through it in "2." (You know, with the lamentable Jesus shot)

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

morbius the fact that you've seen BOTH of these movies really undermines your whole "spiderman sucks" argument, why are you wasting your time on something you'll know you hate? you can't possibly want to bone james franco that badly.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

tho yeah, JON WHY DON'T YOU GO SUCK ON THE EL TRAIN THING

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

it doesn't, Ally. The first one I was game for, I had nothing to go on other than the daily newspaper strip. Then the second one had some decent critics writing "oh rilly rilly this is SO much better," and still I waited to RENT it to find they were clowns. Now that the non-mustache critics are saying suck on this one, I may not even take the DVD outta the liberry.

Plus I know you and Tom have already ordered tix for Indiana Jones and the Prostate of Doom.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

what the hell does that even mean, dude? you seem the far more likely candidate to be preordering spielberg tix!

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

hello JOEK

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

wtf, guys NOT EVEN IN COMIC BOOKS WILL A PIZZA PLACE DELIVER 40 BLOCKS UPTOWN

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

OK YOU WIN FATTEY, YOU WOULD KNOW ALL ABOUT PIZZA DELIVERY

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

IN THE MOVIES COLUMBIA IS IN THE WEST VILLAKE MMMMKAY

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

THERE ARE NO NEWSPAPER OFFICES IN THE FLATIRON BUILDING JESUS PEOPLE

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

They should make a She-Hulk movie.

― jel --, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

GUYS THE THING IS THAT IF YOU GET BIT BY A SPIDER YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY TURN INTO SPIDERMAN WTF

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

My main quibble with Spidey 3, is the ribbing on his black symbiotic suit.

― jel --, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

GOD, THE RIBBING

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

responding to Ally upthread I have seen:
Catwoman (TV - didn't watch the whole thing)
Daredevil (airplane)
Hellboy (TV - again didn't make it through the whole thing)
the Hulk (airplane)
those last couple pre-Nolan Batman movies (saw these cuz a bandmate worked on them and got free copies)
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (rental)
Fantastic Four (airplane)
V for Vendetta (saw it in the theater)
X-Men 3 (rental)

so of those I listed I didn't see Elektra or Ghost Rider

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

you have GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING about the Secret Wars thing! Come on spoil it for me and tell me the truth

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

my main quibble with spidey 3 is that, first of all, the pizza delivery thing would never happen

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

there was a big Chicago El train running fucking through it in "2." (You know, with the lamentable Jesus shot)

yeah, you could hear every dude in the theatre say "hey, that's clark and lake" when that sequence starts.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

shakey mo if you haven't seen elektra and ghost rider then you are basically just wasting everyone's time. this are serious thread, ok?

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I hear ghost rider had a deeply realistic pizza delivery sequence

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, with sam elliott.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (rental)

You rented this movie.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

lol i know right that movie was terrible

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

i watched a tidbit of league of extraordinary gentleman on the plane and i turned it off because i preferred to watch the map instead

― homosexual II, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

you should have won a valuable prize for that decision

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I rented it cuz the comics are fantastic and there was a lot of potential but of course it was all fucked up

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

the sandman's shirt looks like some h&m shit

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

lolz Nathan Lee in the Voice:

"...it sheds some light on the whole skinny black jeans phenomenon. Rest easy Hedi Slimane and residents of the 11211, the origin of overpriced mantyhose may now be attributed to the nefarious agenda of intergalactic goo...A peevish obsidian liquid leaks out on impact, oozing its way toward Parker's moped, soon to transform the mild-mannered Forest Hills dork into a monochromatic hipster sporting asymmetrical bangs, black eyeliner, and calf-hugging trousers. Our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man has become . . . MisShaped!

"Dunst now rivals Scarlett Johansson as the most useless ingenue in Hollywood. Maguire's perky persona is wearing as thin as his lips."

And there's nothing else to say:

as far as I'm concerned, films derived from works whose protagonists speak in dialogue balloons are one of the cancers destroying the industry. Not that it isn't easy to understand ... the first two Spidey epics grossed a total of as far as I'm concerned, films derived from works whose protagonists speak in dialogue balloons are one of the cancers destroying the industry. Not that it isn't easy to understand ... the first two Spidey epics grossed a total of $1.6 billion worldwide, and there's no corporate entity on Earth that would turn down that kind of money.

But let's be honest. This is a sub-literary genre lacking in subtlety and psychological depth. Not only isn't it Shakespeare, it's not even Stephen King. I mean, just because Peter Parker has family and girlfriend issues doesn't make him a well-rounded character. He is, in essence, a nice kid who might as well be the star of any one of a thousand teen novels, the kind your ninth-grade teacher encouraged you to read, hoping you'd move onto bigger and better things.....6 billion worldwide, and there's no corporate entity on Earth that would turn down that kind of money.

But let's be honest. This is a sub-literary genre lacking in subtlety and psychological depth. Not only isn't it Shakespeare, it's not even Stephen King. I mean, just because Peter Parker has family and girlfriend issues doesn't make him a well-rounded character. He is, in essence, a nice kid who might as well be the star of any one of a thousand teen novels, the kind your ninth-grade teacher encouraged you to read, hoping you'd move onto bigger and better things....

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.fadoirishpub.com/chicago/files/images/superhero%20party%20070.preview.jpg

― alkie cat, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

what a fucking chump!

― TOMBOT, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Lewis Beale, that is

― TOMBOT, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

ah, I pine for films of Five Easy Piece's comic-book-realism "artistry."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

This was disappointing. Though not because it is some sort of 'sub-literary genre' that is destroying art or whatever. that kind of argument is stupid, and surely we've all grown past that.

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

no.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I am seeing this tomorrow and next Saturday as well. I know it will be better than Hellboy at least.

― jel --, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone calling anything "sub-literary" really ought to try putting sentences and paragraphs in some kind of order that makes sense.

― onimo, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

The guy who fucked up cut & pasting is not the one who wrote critique of spiffing up juvenilia for $300 million

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

JW, yr being ridiculously prosaic, it's clearly not the real "New York" as there was a big Chicago El train running fucking through it in "2." (You know, with the lamentable Jesus shot)

i can't even begin to understand why people would hate that scene.

― stevie, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

that really is one of the dumbest articles I've ever read.

OMG COMIC BOOK FILMS ARE NOT LIKE THE GODFATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will critics ever stop pining for that ten-year Hollywood Golden Age?

What assurance is there that the $5 million 'adult' film won't be shite? I agree with the idea, but will I have to sit through another Inland Empire? Or In the Cut (random, I know, but I was talking to someone about it earlier)?

Seriously, it's guys like that this that made me flee from my film studies course.

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

"real new yorkers"

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

will I have to sit through another Inland Empire?

I need to not try here.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

I hate it when an article takes a premise I could want to get behind and then fucks it up.

Not that there haven't been some really solid flicks made from picture books -- Batman Begins, the first
Superman and From Hell come immediately to mind -- but there simply isn't anything to match the artistry of films like On the Waterfront, The Godfather and Five Easy Pieces.

Fuck off, Beale. And I say that as someone who hated Batman Begins almost as much as Crash.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

(Nathan Lee remains a pretty good writer, though, even as he is clearly losing the battle against his libido.)

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, the execution isn't much, esp using BB as "solid."

well, imagine how good it'll get after he loses! Nothing but a Two Drifters-style diet for him.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

From Hell is easily in the running for worst recent comic book adaptation, certainly in the bottom five with catwoman, daredevil, superman returns and league of extraordinary gentlemen. Haven't seen Spawn.

Comic book movies can make for extraordinarily execrable examples of the craft, but they can also be pretty fucking awesome, and yes, this is the kind of argument everybody >22y.o. ought to know better than.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

IF YOU DISLIKE COMIC BOOK MOVIES AS A CONCEPT TO START WITH, STOP WATCHING THEM, READING ABOUT THEM, AND POSTING ABOUT THEM UNLESS YOU ARE PAID TO DO SO.

THIS IS V SIMPLE.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, 4 May 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Because comic books are essentially glorified storyboards (lotsa pictures, little dialogue), they're ridiculously easy to visualize as motion pictures.

Has this man even watched a Hitchcock movie?

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

God, every bullet point in this article doesn't work.

Does anyone actually think the best portrayal of Batman can yield the same depth of character and resonance as Jack Nicholson's Bobby Dupea? If you believe this, turn in your B.A. in Film Studies. Now.

As already alluded to above, most people on the opposing side of his arguement are all "fuck a film studies!"

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

If Paddy Chayefsky were alive today, he'd probably be forced to adapt Ironman for the movies instead of writing Network.

Or writing irascible, curmudgeonly articles like this one.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Then imagine a world in which their minimal plots, one-dimensional characters and
~~computer-generated graphics~~ third-world settings are the norm.

Get one Cannes slate.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I READ A FILM REVIEW BY A SHIRLL, SHRIEKING FRAUD

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

it's best to stay away from stylus

― félix pié, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, the only thing I am less inclined to tolerate than superhero movies are articles that make it easy for those who cherish superhero movies to imagine those who don't as hysterical "why can't every movie cost $5 million like they did in the 1970s?" Andy Rooney types.

(2x-post ... yeah, it probably didn't help that the last time I watched Network, I wanted to slap Paddy instead of give him a retroactive Pulitzer.)

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

(but at least there were no tragically indecisive radioactive teens in it.)

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

if Finch was radioactive, he might have done something real when he got mad as hell as opposed to getting shot.

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

The part poor William Holden has to resuscitate (which he does) is every bit as non-compelling on paper as Peter Parker.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

and Faye Dunaway was in Supergirl!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Look, I know you're only in this thread to be a gadfly (and I'm only in this thread to watch), but I have to address this:

I should go to Mike White's Year of the Dog this weekend to support Hollywood films for grownups.

Don't do it, man!

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Superhero movie.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

yes, I am awaiting a rave by someone I respect for Year of Dog, now.

except -- and this is where we differ, Iceberg Lover -- the diff between the melodrama silliness of Gone With the Wind and Titanic is at least the first is about adults.

Also we didn't hafta experience Network on paper (tho there's another novelization I should give you).

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

I wish Gadfly was my superhero name.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

OMG COMIC BOOK FILMS ARE NOT LIKE THE GODFATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will critics ever stop pining for that ten-year Hollywood Golden Age?

But the thing is, The Godfather is largely episodic, with the second in the series even having flashbacks to a parallel storyline that runs in the past. It even has points within the movie where everything is set up, only to have more rising action to pay off in a climactic scene that was foreshadowed. In other words, it's written very much like an episodic comic story.

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

btw, isn't Hamlet about a kid?

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I like a lot of things about network but it really is kind of like watching one of those 72 Monologues For Young Actors books from Theater II class adapted for the screen

― TOMBOT, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

well, that's what happens when you start by writing live TV plays. Rod Serling's movies, tho I like a couple of em, are almost as windy and lecturey as Chayefsky's.

Some scholars think Hamlet could be as old as 40.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, Network is littered with comic book characters/situations, e.g. Sybil the Soothsayer, the Mao Zedong Hour.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Some scholars think Hamlet could be as old as 40.

I'd like to know how old those scholars are.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

(spare me the "no one under XX-years-old can be a scholar" bit.)

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

easy, Glowstickman!

In has been said by many that in the first four acts of the play Hamlet seems to be a young man, a student, and that his acquaintances are also students and youthful associates but that in Act V the impression, based on the remarks of the grave-digger Clown, is that Hamlet is 30 years old. It has been suggested that it may have suited Shakespeare's dramatic purposes to make Hamlet 30, or perhaps he forgot or simply did not care.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

A big problem I have with that article is the "Michael Chabon now being forced to write comic book adaptations" bit, because that's what writers have to do. He seems to have completely missed the Adventures of Kavalier and Klay, as Chabon demonstrates an obvious love for the comic book form and the impact it can have on someone.

Instead of bitching, why not celebrate the fact that critically accepted and decent writers are working on these projects to make them better? I think Spider-man 2 is fantastic, and quite an achievement. If he feels differently, that's fine, but don't try to make out that he worked on it as some sort of portent for the end of all films.

I really wish they had brought him back for 3, though. God it really needed him. And an editor. And, and I hate to say this, the Sam Raimi that directed 2. And Alfred Molina. And a lot of things, really.

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if Chabon wants K&K to be a film, tho.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

xpost-And the Escapist comic books... and the McSweeneys adventure tales book with Howard Chaykin illustrations etc etc etc. Chabon obviously loves comics and probably enjoyed more then the paycheck from Spiderman 2, which was an awesome movie.

― dan selzer, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

I hope not. He should leave it. Though it is the only novel of his I've ever read, and I quite enjoyed the film adaptation of Wonder Boys, so maybe it could be good. maybe. probably not.

xpost

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

writing off entire mediums without engaging in their more challenging aspects always = DUDDIEST THING IN THE FUCKING WORLD

From Hell is an awful film. (although to be fair if anyone's gonna complain about the words-to-images ratio in comics they certainly have never read From Hell itself, which is LOADED to the gills with a lot of complex writing/dialogue)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

(or Cerebus - large chunks of which are composed of nothing but text and maybe one image per page)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

From Hell obviously not for adolescents either - no one without a serious interest in history and literature (and mythology) would be able to understand it at all.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

lol the godfather is possibly the worst possible example dude could have chosen, it's based on a totally trashy pop novel of much less literary worth than your average spider-man comic

― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe that I went to a midnight showing of this and got only 3.5 hours of sleep because of it. So disappointing and so not worth it, sadly.

― ENBB, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

the bit that makes me shake my head most is this:

works whose protagonists speak in dialogue balloons...Not only isn't it Shakespeare, it's not even Stephen King.

How is reading a Shakespeare play different from reading a work where the characters speak in dialogue balloons?!

― aaron d.g., Saturday, 5 May 2007 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

I took my last exam EVER this morning, on 1 and a half hours of sleep, went into town to watch it despite the fact that I had plans for the evening, and wound up just being too bloody tired to do anything to celebrate the end of university.

Totally not worth it. But Venom was kind of cool. But NO TONGUE!!! WTF?

― Gukbe, Saturday, 5 May 2007 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Just as good as (or no worse than) Spidey 1 and 2. Took my 12 year old, and the theatre was shockingly empty, but this was worth it, and if a 12-year-old agrees then we really ought to listen as they're a combination of the least corrupted and most clued up demographic of all. Why don't we seem to want to acknowledge that this -- the source material, everything propping up the films, etc -- is a melodrama? An improbable soap in which everyone knows the same small circle of people in a city of, what, 8-12 million (which is fine, btw)? And that the cheesiness is as intrinsic to the story as the spider DNA (or radioactivity) is to Peter's makeup. Fuck, Stan Lee's cameo said it all. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Although, I agree, where the FUCK was Venom's TONGUE?

― Lostandfound, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

i really shouldn't be reading all this before i go see it tomorrow

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I was disappointed. I didn't hold out hope, but once I found out Venom, played by Topher Grace (he's pretty good...his self-parody in Ocean's 12 was hilarious), I was at least looking forward to his role.

Too little screen time for him.

Movie Sandman = wtf.

― B.L.A.M., Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Lostandfound re: melodrama. Saw this yesterday and loved it because of, not despite, melodrama. Altho sometimes the tone slighly wrong - the Bad PP Dancing just reminded me of a deodorant ad.

― Zoe Espera, Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

man, the reaction to this flick has been more mixed than (insert crappy joke related to fruit/nuts/blenders/miscegenation/etc. here).

this is X3 all over again, innit? but then again i didn't really mind that one.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

will report back later once i've actually seen it.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

is Topher Grace nude at any point?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 5 May 2007 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

The PP dancing thing was so wrong it was hard to watch. Also, EMO HAIR!

― ENBB, Saturday, 5 May 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

from VV review: "...soon to transform the mild-mannered Forest Hills dork into a monochromatic hipster sporting asymmetrical bangs, black eyeliner, and calf-hugging trousers. Our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man has become... MisShaped!"

A Pulp reference? How odd.

― kenan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

definitely better than x3

― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

definitely! X3 was shockingly dissapointing.

I kinda loved how they threw in the quick shot where he consciously styles his new emo hair in the mirror. somehow so much better that way instead of it just appearing in the next shot (a la surly 5 o'clock shadow superman III etc.).

― Kim, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it's because of lowered expectations from all the mixed buzz, but i liked this a lot (not as much as 2 though). a movie attempting to stuff so much into 2 1/2 hours is inevitably going to fall short in some areas but overall i thought it managed the juggling act respectably. i honestly didn't mind the corniness and the melodrama (i have to agree with Lostandfound, isn't that what these have always been about at heart?), and i even liked the "bad Peter" dancing and "yazz flute" homage. fanboys/nitpickers be damned.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

the emo hair WAS kinda lame though

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

the only thing worse than comic book movies made only for fans is comic book movies trying to impress "grown ups"

"oooh, spiderman 2 was a real delve into the psyche of FUCK OFF EAT MY ASS

pseudo-depth is the worst trend in movies in at least thirty years. i blame peter jackson. can't all these award winning directors and screenwriters just make a movie that's FUN.

oh, and hellboy, spiderman 2, and batman begins were all shit. really. get one tim burton, hollywood.

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

get one adam west

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

the last thing any franchise needs right now is tim burton

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

the last thing cinema needs right now is another franchise.

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

no arguments from me on that point.

but when it comes to unnecessarily dour superhero flicks you might have a point with say, the Hulk or Superman Returns or Batman Begins (though i personally liked BB). but i would hardly call Spiderman 2 or Hellboy overly self-serious!

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

spider-man 2's brilliance comes from the fact that it is one of the best examples of filmmaking in recent years. Wonderfully put together.

Batman Begins managed to be moody, fun, visually interesting, and whilst it is pseudo-depth, it at least acknowledges the issues of a costumed hero.

― Gukbe, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

i actually thought the hulk was better than most of the rest, didn't bother my arse with superman returns.

hellboy not overly serious, just really really awful.

and, just for instance, the scene where spidey is 'one of us' in either 1 or 2 induces puke. spiderman 2 is a good example of the worst type of effects driven rubbish summer seems to bring every year.

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

the hulk infuriates me everytime i remember those retarded hulk-poodles

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

is that a reference to fans, or the advertising people for the movie?

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha

no, the dogs that nick nolte gives the hulk-serum or whatnot to and they mutate into these awful-looking cgi critters that hulk has a brief battle with or something. i just remember it looking so ridiculous, even for a hulk movie.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

and then there's that stupid extra hulk versus dad fight (OEDIPUS SMASH) that seems like it was added just because the ILM dudes were bored and had some extra money or something.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

OEDIPUS SMASH

nice.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

better than a Bret Ratner movie? not much of a hurdle there

― gershy, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha before this there was a trailer for Rush Hour 3 and Roman Polanski was in it!

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

i called every theater, 50 miles from my house. and they're all sold out of tickets. even imax!! WTF?

― funny farm, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

$400 million opening day i hear

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

spider-man 2's brilliance comes from the fact that it is one of the best examples of filmmaking in recent years. Wonderfully put together.

so many things wrong with this sentence

― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

a touch overstated, perhaps.

― kenan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

cinema, Cinema, CINEMAAAAAA!!!

― kenan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the newest Spidermovie was about as good as the first, but not as good as the second. The biggest misstep is trying to cram three villains into it (by far the most successful of these three plots is the one with Goblin Jr.) Pick one, fellas. Or even two, if you absolutely have to, but all three of them got shortchanged becausee you just couldn't stop adding plots. The other really, REALLY weak segment is a longish part in the middle where we're supposed to see the insidious effect of the Venom symbiote on Parker's personality. Unfortunately, this takes the form of him listening to James Brown and disco-dancing in the street right after he buys an all-black outfit, then showing off at the jazz club Mary Jane has been working at after she dumps him. It's corny and dull and comes out of nowhere, and doesn't even make sense with the other machinations happening at that point in the movie. The Sandman plot is even more feeble (although less misbegotten) and hardly wraps up at all.

Thank goodness for some really well-done farcical shennanigans in a French restaurant and some really amazing action scenes, the best of which all involve James Franco using the Goblin gear like an extreme skateboarder, a major improvement from the way Willem Dafoe's version of the character was shown in action.

― Oilyrags, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

How does Evil Spidey compare with Evil Supes in Superman III. You've no idea how badly I was traumatized by watching Christopher Reeve flick peanuts at wine bottles.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Would fighting traffic signals made Spider-man 3 better? I have to wonder, now, as that is the only thing I think of when anybody mentions Superman III.

― Gukbe, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

Just d/led this & new Dr. Who ep. Cannot wait to watch even tho Spiderman 2 was so boring I couldn't finish it. I adored the first one, tho, what a fucking great movie.

― Abbott, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

The other really, REALLY weak segment is a longish part in the middle where we're supposed to see the insidious effect of the Venom symbiote on Parker's personality. Unfortunately, this takes the form of him listening to James Brown and disco-dancing in the street right after he buys an all-black outfit, then showing off at the jazz club Mary Jane has been working at after she dumps him.

This (especially the dancing-in-the-street part) was awesome.

― David R., Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Otherwise, Oily OTM.

― David R., Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

See, while I admit that stuff was (somewhat) funny, as a window into the crueller, more self-serving side of Parker's soul it just failed utterly. The thoughtless domineering of the landlord's daughter was so much more interesting and believable. Sure, lots of assholes might take their new, hot date to a place where the girl who dumped them was working in food service just to rub her nose in it. That would be fine. But the musical/acrobatic number on top of it? Weeeeeeeeeeeeeak.

― Oilyrags, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I thought the dance sequences were great! The Flint Marko/Sandman/He really killed your dad nonsense OTOH was just nonsense.

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Topher Grace was s'okay and James Franco was funny (although they disfigured his pretty face!

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

And Bruce Campbell had the best cameo.

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

nothing is as freaky as bad superman in 3.

― s1ocki, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

i just really appreciated the fact that sam raimi decided to make the venom story just a really weird, convoluted cocaine metaphor.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Again with the cocaine.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it was hilarious to catch spiderman yesterday after the day of blow on ilx, i gotta say.

i also loved their decision mid-way through the film to replace tobey maguire with the guy from the killers. ripping off the opening sequence to saturday night fever was odd yet inspired. srsly i am with every single person who is saying that the best part of the movie was the completely bizarre "peter parker, dancing dickweed of the lower east side" sequence in the middle of the film. also: WTF WITH THE EGG COOKING SCENE?? "do you like peppers?"

if i ever have to hear kirsten dunst sing again, though, i'm going to deafen myself with chopsticks.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

How many millions were spent on Topher Grace's hair?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

I MEAN, THEY GONGED THE VILLAIN?? THIS MOVIE WAS ON SOME NEXT LEVEL SHIT.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

in retrospect actually my favorite line might've just been topher grace shouting "what the hell" after coked-out black-suited my particle physics romance spiderman broke his camera.

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think Cheech & Chong's Next Movie probably makes more sense than this did. I haven't seen it in a while.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

oh my god otm on the "what the hell!" thing but i'm pretty sure i'm sticking with "do you like...peppers?" as my favorite line.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

also: particle physicists are basically two white dudes and 40 models, i have to get into that field.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

"HELLO I AM THE GOBLIN. MY DIABOLICAL VILLAIN PLAN IS TO...TELL PETER PARKER I BANGED HIS GIRLFRIEND AND MAKE HIM CRY. LOL I'M AN ASSHOLE!"

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Raimi was all like "Shit man, I killed off my Tim Curry in the first one, my Meatloaf in the second one, now I've got to make my action/adventure Rocky Horror homage with just these goofy kids and they won't let me even put any sex in it!!"

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

i don't even know what the hell you are talking about with this rocky horror picture show metaphor. are YOU sam raimi?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

"HELLO I AM THE GOBLIN. MY DIABOLICAL VILLAIN PLAN IS TO...TELL PETER PARKER I BANGED HIS GIRLFRIEND AND MAKE HIM CRY. LOL I'M AN ASSHOLE!"

-- the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, May 8, 2007 9:16 AM (53 seconds ago)

ally totally needs to start a film review site

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

cue willem dafoe...HEY, HARRY. MAKE HER...AN OMLETTE. PLAY SOME CHUBBY CHECKER. THAT WILL TEACH SPIDERMAN! HAHAHAHAHA!

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

i think that i loved this movie but it confused me so much that i felt like i was completely drunk when i left the theatre so it might just be spiderman hangover.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe SM3 was a test run for SPIDER-MAN: THE MUSICAL!

(I only wish that actually happened. The Green Goblin, Dance Instructor scene.)

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.xippas.com/i/artistes/gallery/chuck_close/cc06_4a.jpg
HARRY! HARRY! DESTROY PARKER!! HAVE A CHARMING BIG CHILL HOMAGE WITH HIS LADYFRIEND!! AVENGE MEEEEE!!

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

i would watch that 100x but only if they overdub kirsten dunst. i mean christ i know the point was that mary jane is completely talentless but did they have to prove this over and over??

speaking of, i said last night that a big problem with the spiderman series is that mary jane and now gwen stacy are intolerably unhot, vapid bitches. which is pretty much par for the course with female roles in action films BUT why did they have to make bit part females 10000000000000000000000000000x hotter than their main females? fake parker posey in the newspaper office and russian girl are both so much cuter?? i have no sympathy for peter parker's predicament, he should just date one of the more awesome girls.

xpost AAAAAARRRRGH!!!

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

harry should stop drinking makers because that's the only time his dad ever shows up screaming in the mirror, is the thing. get yourself some "venom suit," kid.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

It was just something I thought of this morning as a better explanation for this movie's most batshit qualities might be instead of Raimi deciding at the 11th hour to just get baked and watch "Will It Blend?" on YouTube, he actually sat down and watched RHPS and realized yes, you can pack this much ridiculous shit into one movie, but the way to do it is with dancing and music.

The way 100 minutes of the entire film is all expository setup to justify the final convoluted 4-way reminded me of how I think Joe Dirt exists just because somebody had a dream where Chris Walken, an American Indian, a hot blonde, and David Spade wearing a blue dread wig are all in some kind of muscle car drag racing Kid Rock, and they felt the need to write a whole screenplay to explain how that would actually happen.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

"I had a dream where blah blah blah and then they were drag racing Kid Rock"

"first of all, that would never happen"

"OH YEAH WELL"

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

If that dream also involved Dennis Miller, then fuck that shit.

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

people don't dream about dennis miller, they dream about rob lowe playing dennis miller

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

WAIT THAT'S BRILLIANT

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

& yes, OTM re: Landlord's Daughter & JJJ's Secretary (ELIZABETH BANKS) being much hotter / nicer / more well-rounded. I liked KD's singing voice, tho. :\

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Also: I will totally finance BEING DENNIS MILLER if you guys can get me a script.

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

And you can make the film for about $1000.

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

kd was basically tone deaf??? dude.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I can't help what I like!

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

story of my life

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Can we talk about this Julie Taymor Beatles / Hair piece of shit that was previewed before my viewing of SM3 now? Because what the fuck is that?

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh my god every single preview before spiderman was almost as/even more confusing and horrible as spiderman.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I hope you're not badmouthing FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER!

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

what did they do to jessica alba, she looked like shit in that

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

ok that is 8080 BLOODTRAP whatever means OTM nowadays

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Bruce Campbell and the landlord's daughter, and I enjoyed the first 5 hours of the dancing dickweed sequence, but WTF with the rest of the movie?

The omlette scene might have been funny and the movie was probably clever and self-consciously satirical, but if Raimi was trying to be the Paul Verhoeven of teenage romance movies, then he did a much better job in 2 than he did in 3.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Sure, I was really drunk and I nodded off a couple times during the final fight scene because I stopped drinking 15 hours earlier or however long that movie was, but "oh no, I'm going to jump back into the tuning fork circle with the freaky space-suit monster and get blowed up" wasn't even funny because my patience had already snapped.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

i still don't know why he didn't just inform the police that the way to defeat sandman, at least temporarily, was by hosing him down.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Because that movie was longer than the Decalogue and The Return of the Kings, combined.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

also: HOW MANY CARS DID VENOM AND SANDMAN PUT IN THAT GIANT WEB OF SUSPENDED THINGS ABOVE NYC??? it seemed to be just the one but like every time mary jane moved there was another dump truck falling on her.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

was it like, oh hey, we already put one taxi up there, might as well throw a couple more taxis and trucks up there, why not. i mean we have this huge web already...

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO (guys i have so many questions about this movie) why the hell did spiderman have to ride goblin's oversized scooter down to rescue mary jane? was it just so we could have a scene of franco and maguire humping each other on a skateboard? because it would've been more efficient if, i dunno, SPIDEY USED HIS WEB SHOT POWER LIKE USUAL instead?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO AGAIN topher grace's venom makeup was one of the funniest things in the world, second only to tobey maguire's my chemical romance makeup.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

i'm wholly convinced that if you watch this movie enough times you will understand the meaning of life because EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE EVER was in this movie, somehow.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I totally misread the omelette scene, I was waiting for him to slip on the egg, bash his bonce on the rather nice wooden table and hey presto, nasty evil Harry is back.

― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

yes, that was completely, completely bizarre. i have to say i like cokehead peter parker a lot more than regular peter parker, though.

also i just found this on imdb:
it is george bush's fault that the american flag was in the film
by NohjAnec 2 days ago (Sun May 6 2007 01:39:49 )
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i hate him! when spiderman stood in front of the flag for a couple of seconds i got real angry because i couldnt handle seeing it in the movie. my life was ruined. and somehow i know george bush made the flag appear in the film, because sam raimi is a republican so i know he, bush, the evil oil companies and the evil corporations (who just sit in their big corporate offices being all.......corporationany) all conspired with each other to make that scene happen. GRRRR, if i saw bush i would punch him! and btw, if anyone here claims to hate bush more than i do, then i dare you to say that to my face because i hate bush the MOST. no one hates him more than i do. no one. i wish you would tell me to my face that you hate him more than i do because i would punch you for trying to think you hate him more than i do. im the biggest liberal ever and also the best liberal ever.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Wow.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

im the biggest liberal ever and also the best liberal ever.

WHY CAN'T WE EASILY CHANGE SCREEN NAMES HERE

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

the real question is: is Tina Fey a republican?

― kenan, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I totally misread the omelette scene, I was waiting for him to slip on the egg, bash his bonce on the rather nice wooden table and hey presto, nasty evil Harry is back.

Don't think for one minute that that omelet wasn't prepared with malicious intent.

I hope that imdb comment was written by Raimi. xpost

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that's the question i really asked myself especially in relation to spiderman 3.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

It's beyond credulity. That has to be a joke.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Re: the dancing sequence:

Did no one else notice how it kept flipping back and forth between the way Peter thought women were reacting to him (*swoon*) and the way they were REALLY reacting to him ("Who is this nerdy dancing cunt? lol")?

Yeah, I thought that was the best part of the movie.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Also I'd like to thank whomever gave Bryce Dallas Howard a burger in preparation for this movie since she didn't look like a gaunt Gelfling about the face like she usually does.

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

isn't she pregnant? not that i have any idea when they actually filmed all of the people scenes.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Really? Didn't know that!

lol celebrities be spawnin'

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah BDH was pregnant during the filming, she had no idea until after they finished all the crane-disaster rescue crap though, ha ha.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, no one noticed that she suddenly had cheeks?

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

hey man girls can eat five guys too
like tobey is all gonna be "hey do you has a bun in the oven?" on the set

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

venom joe armstrong tobey would've called her on that shit.

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

"Bryce, wow! You look like a woman as opposed to the crazed lizard/scarecrow hybrid you usually resemble!"

"Aw, thanks! *giggle*"

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

what did they do to jessica alba, she looked like shit in that

She did! I wasn't really paying attention at that point and for a moment thought she was Elizabeth Berkley.

― ENBB, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

YES, or the fish-eye woman from the remake of the wickerman.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

i think bdh looking less like a gelfling had a lot more to do with the 27 lbs of makeup especially in the eye/eyebrow area they slathered on her than whether or not she was 5 lbs heavier than normal tbh.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

lol tho still tobey had on more eye makeup.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't really paying attention at that point and for a moment thought she was Elizabeth Berkley.

oh wow, harshes

SNAP: troo, Tobey looked like he fell out of a P!ATD video for half the movie

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Tobey + EVIL floppy hair = NO GO (tho I seem to be in the minority on this one)

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Tobey + EVIL floppy hair = WDYLL? thread

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

tobey's makeover was way hotter than pre-makeover tobey

XPOST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Emo Tobey + Miss Brant would make a ~~hot~~ lovely couple.

― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

So, everyone in these movies who has actively killed someone else has died, right?

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I try to imagine what might have happened had Raimi gone ahead and replaced Tobey with Jake Gyllenhaal . Would Jake have entered a leather bar as GAY PETER instead?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

well, no, considering that he'd still be playing peter parker and not alfred's fantasy gay jake. i don't think raimi would've altered the script to accomodate you, unfortunately.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

SPIDEY IS THE PEOPLE'S HERO

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

haha if venom made spidey gay that would've been a much better movie.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Can you imagine Andrew Sullivan's angry posts though? RAIMI SEZ GAYDOM SPREAD BY EVIL BLACK GOO

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Well, isn't it? Did my health teacher lie to me?

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

FINE – WHITE GOO THEN

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

PROVEN BY SCIENCE (& JACK CHICK)

― David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

okay ew

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

I found this behind a Burger King last week.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8667/img0298np9.jpg

― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Did you think it was a bomb and then call the police? Or do you not live in Boston?

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

No way. I immediately felt much safer actually.

― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

liked the bit in the french restaurant and some of the early self-centredness

the strutting down the street and showing off in MJ's bar stuff was funny but didn't feel like the same film, in a way

superheroes and superhero stories often rely on coincidence (I don't mind it) but this had a bit too much, for me

some of the jokey bits were strung out too long (the bit w/ JJJ and the girl w/ the camera) and, eventually, some of the mugging and OTT action dialogue put me off, too

I like spider-man and I like sandman (he was sympatheticky but his flashback-anguish and redemption were weak) and it was exciting and looked good, for the most part (few bits that seemed more "unreal" or were a bit too "busy")

good fun but on too long, too many baddies, few disappointing thing and snow patrol at the end

oh, and w dafoe's butler finally telling j franco that spidey was innocent! good help is hard to find

― RJG, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

the butler really should've told franco that ages ago, it would've saved the guy a LOT of troubles.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was kind of like "WTF butler dude, way to wait until the last minute to be of any use! Also where were you in the previous movies?"

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Franco's revenge plot was kind of a perfect storm of douchey genius though. "BOOM I FUCKED YR GIRLFRIEND, HAW HAWS!"

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

franco's plan:

a) force kirsten dunst to break up with spiderman
b) tell spiderman he fucked kirsten dunst
c) make self a martini
d) wait for spiderman to appear on his balcony
e) ...get his ass kicked????

srsly willem dafoe should've popped back up in the mirror to mention, like, setting a trap for spiderman, or something?

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

The whole Butler thing was really bad. It just seemed so . . . lazy.

― ENBB, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

i just don't think he thought any of it out beyond the "it's funny to watch peter crying on a bridge while holding flowers lol" stage.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

james franco 8080

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

b) tell spiderman he fucked kirsten dunst

ALSO the thing about this is that didn't harry and mary jane date each other in the first movie? i mean, really, this is old news.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

wait that would've been hilarious if he was all like LOL you guys broke up over this and i was just talking about like what happened three years ago PSYYYYYYCHE

truly that would've been the best diabolical plan ever.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OPENING CREDITS "PREVIOUSLY ON SPIDERMAN" MONTAGE DID NOT ADDRESS THIS

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

SPIDERMAN REALLY SHOULD STOP BEING SO LAME ABOUT HARRY FUCKING HIS GF CONSIDERING SPIDERMAN STOLE HER FROM HARRY AND FROM JJJ'S SON, GET YR OWN GF SPIDERMAN

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

like, for example, the russian girl or the newspaper secretary

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

"That's why I fucked your bitch, you spidey motherfucker."

Ally OTM about slut from 40 Year Old Virgin & Russian girl.

― milo z, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

omg this movie. What a mess. But a truly glorious mess.

PETER PARKER PETRELLI OBERST JAZZ HANDS.

― Roz, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Peter, I meant to tell you... I put my thumb in MJ's butt."

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

(obv that is Dave Chappelle as Harry Osborne)

(haha "obv")

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I can see exactly where this Chappelle skit is going with the omelet scene. "Do you like hot peppers?"

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

"How'd your hair get so red, anyway?"

― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Re: the dancing sequence:

Did no one else notice how it kept flipping back and forth between the way Peter thought women were reacting to him (*swoon*) and the way they were REALLY reacting to him ("Who is this nerdy dancing cunt? lol")?

Yeah, I thought that was the best part of the movie.

There were people in the theatre with me who were obviously SQUIRMING at cheesy jazz PP... and I'm thinking, jesus people, he's SUPPOSED to look like a douche.

― Roz, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

even a cursory reading of Foucault should have told us that

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

This has had generally bad reviews in the UK. I didn't really understand why, or at least, looking back, I can't understand why there was so much gushing over Spider-Man 2 compared with this.

Yes, it was too long, sagged in the midddle, and things like the butler revelation were lazy, but it was so likable. Maybe I've just been watching 24 too much, but to have some kind of optimistically liberal, New Testament Christian superhero morality tale was quite refreshing, even if Sandman's whole motivation was a bit all over the place.

Neither Tobey Maguire or Kirsten Dunst seem to be able to do crying very well, and the series never manages really get emotional depth out of their darker times.

i just really appreciated the fact that sam raimi decided to make the venom story just a really weird, convoluted cocaine metaphor.

After I saw it, I tentatively mentioned this to my cinemagoing companion, apologising if it was a really obvious thing that everyone had been saying, but umm.. yeah. I totally read it that way and I'd be surprised (but sort of pleased, in some kind of life having a deeper pattern behind it kind of way) if it wasn't intentional.

Did no one else notice how it kept flipping back and forth between the way Peter thought women were reacting to him (*swoon*) and the way they were REALLY reacting to him ("Who is this nerdy dancing cunt? lol")?

I certainly noticed the mixed response, but I put it down to different people having different reactions to coke-esque confidence, but yeah, you're probably right in your reading.

― Alba, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

I saw it more like...the ones that were reacting badly to him were just too far away to get a whiff of his spidey pheromones!

― RJG, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

An interesting take!

― Alba, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

BTWFWIW, for my money Tobey + EVIL floppy hair = hotter, but then I fancy annoying coked-up girls.

― Alba, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

(not exclusively)

― Alba, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Like anyone cares.

― Alba, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

stfu george lucas

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahahahahahaha oh georgie porgie

whaddaprick. is this because ILM didn't do the effects?

― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

heh never mind, now i see why:

"Lucas, who was behind the smash-hit Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises, said he was not impressed by the new sequel, which surged ahead of the director's 2005 film Revenge of the Sith to take the record for the biggest weekend box-office record."

― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

talk about the nerd pot calling the nerd kettle black!

― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:25 (nineteen years ago)

Sith did not have musical jazz interludes. This is why it sucked.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

Plus, the scene where we first see Sandman >>>>>>> anything in the Star Wars prequels OR any of the Spidey movies.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

where is the where do i shot web image?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

everyone in the theater laughed at the crying on the bridge scene.

― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

I just watched this and I really liked it, but after reading this thread I can't remember why at all. Maybe it was cause I saw it right after the new Fantastic Four and it seemed so much better in comparison. Also it was great to see Toby Maguire channeling Jim Carrey. Somehow I think Karl Jung would just eat this movie up.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6446/howdoishotwebvj0.jpg

I had this in mind the whole time I was reading the thread too. FUCK YOU INTERNET.

― viborg, Monday, 3 September 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

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