what's the deal with this new ilx code stuff? (aka where's my handy ILE link?)

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eh? (i'll bet this is number 3 in a series of just about 7 identical threads being started right now)

― jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

yeh please bring that direct ILM/ILE right hand link back ASAP

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes!!! I've already logged out twice when my reflex to switch boards kicked in. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha Jordan OTM.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ah wait 'bookmark board'!!

― jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Just click on "bookmark board" and you won't ever need one again!

I like it.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this new setup is WAY BETTER. It will encourage the use of other boards, especially I Love Film!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't want to use the other boards!!

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG, this awesome! I Love Books will get more attention too!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, you don't have to bookmark them!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

this is great but I keep accidentally logging myself out by habit of going to the right side. can we, uh, swap them?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

And the placement is actually better. It'll take a couple hours getting used to, but then it will be natural.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that is pretty cool. I've got my four boards bookmarked.

Haha how come the one for ILC says "Comix" instead of ILC? It's probably because of that dastardly cooking board, am I right?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe we should have worked on making "sticky" board-wide threads to announce this sort of stuff first?

:-(

Praise, criticisms, suggestions: http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newanswers.php?board=55

I hope most ppl don't find this rejig too traumatic.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU MUST LEARN NEW WAYS

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

thread title should've read "where's my handy ILM link", pedant fans.

does this go some way to answering the age old question dilemma of ILE on the left, ILM on the right ?

― jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

You can change the bookmark text in your settings - these are just the defaults when you first bookmark boards.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish there was a way to turn on images for a single thread only.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, human computer interaction

who is the interaction design whizz?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

um how do you unbookmark when you bookmarked ile twice?

sorry alan, i seem to be yr micro-nemesis today

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

if i delete m'cookies, will i have to rebookmark the boards i like?

― jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe "show all details" should override your images setting??

edit bookmarks in your user settings - you can rename, delete and you like

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ANY you like

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

sorted!!

this is exciting!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the bookmarks! Good job, Alan.

― Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i like!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be interested to see if this brings on a new proliferation of miniboards.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

it will definitely make me pay attention to ILBooks and ILFilm more

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd love to know how you managed to bookmark it twice, mark!

mini-boards would be great. obv the "make new board" function is not available as it once was, but lobbying for new boards i think would not be out of place on the ModReq board. It will be just like USENET

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Will it ever be possible to start up a new board again? Hmm? Hmmmmm?

― Remy (Ulysses Q. Fitzgerald) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa, x-post!

― Remy (Ulysses Q. Fitzgerald) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

One suggestion is that the active bookmark be bolded. It would make it easier to tell which board you're currently on.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I had no idea "create new board" had vanished actually!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer, doesn't the fact that it doesn't have a purple link clue you in to that, though?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay this is great! A vast improvement.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

SPENCER IS QUITE CORRECT THO - I totally meant to add that before I committed. lazy me. will do next time there is a big change. It should be just like the line below that says which bit of the board you are in

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It will be just like USENET
OMG YES!!!!! Can we make people who want new boards fill out a charter and have ILX-wide votes for approval?

― The Ghost of The Definition Of User Unfriendly (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: I really loved the functionality of the old, red "23 unread messages" option. On the settings page it's still selectable, but it doesn't seem to make any difference...?

― Remy (Ulysses Q. Fitzgerald) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer, doesn't the fact that it doesn't have a purple link clue you in to that, though?

Yes, but it should be more positively indicated. As it stands the boards you're not on stand out more because of the underlining.

Alan, this is really great. Thank You and anyone else who worked on this.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

haha yes, i think after i bookmarked ile" i clicked BACK to the earlier version of the same page for no sensible reason (ie instead of going via "now return to the page you came from") and so it looked like it hadn't registered so i reclicked it

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"i'd love to know how you managed to bookmark it twice, mark!"

I did the same thing. I just clicked back instead of clicking the thing to go back to the page.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I FEAR CHANGE!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ignorancia.org/images/tests/coins.jpg

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: I really loved the functionality of the old, red "23 unread messages" option.

yeah, (later) seems to work now--AWESOME--but the numbers don't appear in the New Answers?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

now move blog view up to the top of the page in new answers!!

(plz)

(haha yes i know there is "history" connected to this) (so you don't have to)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh, this is very good. Thankyou Alan/Andrew/Noodles. It was very annoying having to keep going back to the Ilxor home page.

(I was looking forward to throwing a faux-strop when 'All Noise Dude Summertime Fun Board and Pickle Bar' took up an entire line's worth of bookmarks but you appear ahead of the game on that one)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, I'm with the "this is bullshit!" contingent.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

red numbers is proving too thorny, but you should be taken to the "Unread messages" rule, which does most of the work.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Just because you don't want an easy link to the baseball board, Matos, doesn't mean those who do should have to suffer!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

. . . except I'm not anymore, I now see the error of my ways re: bookmkarking. nice work. carry on. (haha almost typed "carry one," yes carry 1 on.)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Is it now finally time for I Love Football?)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(um xpost)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

haha Tom apparently wants even more U.S. vs. U.K. FITEing!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i get it. i dig it.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha! Was everyone's initial reaction a mildly stroppy "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS????" before realizing how it worked and going "WOOOO YEAH!!!"? Because that's what I did.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

No because I was on ILComix when the ~~white event~~ change happened so I just had the "AT LAST!"

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ILBks and ILB-Ball?! Everyone knows that ILB = I Love Books. More people read than like baseball.

(I am having fun playing BOARD TRUMPS! Who gets ILC?! Will it be Cooking or Comics?)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ILC & ILCX!

― Remy (Ulysses Q. Fitzgerald) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(also the latter sounds like "I Love sex"

― Remy (Ulysses Q. Fitzgerald) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, my reaction was "how the fuck did I log out? Where is my ILM link? What the fuck is going on? Goddammit I just logged out again." *click on this thread to complain. Realize how the new linking thing works* "This is great!"

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh! Ask A Drunk beats ILM but not ILE!

VICTORY ORMSKIRK BATTALLION!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

red numbers is proving too thorny, but you should be taken to the "Unread messages" rule, which does most of the work

how about a binary flag of some sort indicating that there are unread answers, if not how many? (but if not, that's okay too xoxoxo!)

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

(Is there any way of removing these things? I got a bit carried away and added every single board before realising I don't really need De Subjectivisten or Ask Chaki linked up there...)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Go to Settings, Matt.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

nu-ILX rulez!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, so i didn't go to bed yet. mookie, i actually tried a "binary flag" on newanswers - couldn't even cope with that. it seems that ANY attempt to get data from the "lastread" table slows down everything. i must be missing something because it seems like this really shouldn't be difficult

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ILBks and ILB-Ball?! Everyone knows that ILB = I Love Books. More people read than like baseball.

I have seen people use the abbreviations ILB and ILBB, which I'm okay with. But Bks and B-Ball is fine, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(Except is it just me, or does "b-ball," abbreviated as such, usually denote basketball?)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It does, but British people can't be expected to know that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

yes it does, i r fule and/or british. i change. suggestions?

as ever these are JUST THE DEFAULTS when you make the bookmark. change the bookmarks text in your user settings.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(it's not just you) xp

(thanks jaunty alan!)

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

So was I the only one stupid enough to look inside my browser's bookmarks after I clicked on the link?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ah! i didn't notice that we could change it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

as ever these are JUST THE DEFAULTS when you make the bookmark. change the bookmarks text in your user settings.

I just changed the Moderator Request Forum to "I Love Cockfarmers", and it gave me great satisfaction to do so.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ILBB is probably the most logical, Alan (BBall can be for basketball if one exists.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I used to just have ILE New Answers bookmarked, and I just added ILM to my browser bookmarks before I sussed it.

(xpost to Pleasant Plains)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

For menko reasons I held shy of nicknaming any board IL* other than ILE and ILM (obv). Largely to stop fights tween comics and cricket fans, and books and baseball fans. (IDME was the closest).

go on fite.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i have bookmarked them all but renamed every one "ilx"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd prefer the bookmarks to be aligned to the right personally, jsl, i'm sure others will disagree

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I Love Cooking is great, I've just looked at it for the first time. I like how its just basically one thread that goes on and on forever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
I somewhat agree, since I click them so often and they're very close to links I never click on.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

(Is it now finally time for I Love Football?)

YES! i'm mystified that this doesn't exist already - or had it been tried long ago?

― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

This is new and exciting!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont like having the links on the left side of the page. can you switch them back to the right?

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Completely missed whatever chaos there was of the switchover (if there was any) but this had been talked about so I wasn't taken aback. Works well so far! I admit I'm not planning on increasing my usual survey of the key boards but you have to understand, that's time consuming enough as it is. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, that said, *would* it be too weird to move the bookmarks over to the right, or have I missed the answer to that already?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

also whether switched to the right or not may i suggest a little more padding between the bookmarks, the thread title and the option links?

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

having them on the right was easier to navigate to with the mouse.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't notice for a few minutes of browsing that the top-right link had gone, but I like this new 'bookmark' thing.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait'll you get a dozen "Noise" bookmarks.

― Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I could learn to adjust but yeah I wouldn't mind seeing the "bookmark" thing (which is totally awesome) swung to the right. After being on this board for 2.5 years my hands feels all owie moving to the left.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

well my right one, at least.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

was I the only one stupid enough to look inside my browser's bookmarks after I clicked on the link?
I started to do it but I caught myself in time. I was moving kind of slow.

I Love Bookmarks?

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

And I just did the same thing. Now that I've regained my senses, it's a damn fine innovation. Hooray!

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

NO I LOVE FOOTBALL UNTIL THE NEW SEASON.

I feel strongly about this. If we're going to do it at all, we should kick it off at the most exciting point of the year.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

the most exciting point is April! oh wait, you're a Spurs fan...

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

san antonio spurs fans don't have much to look forward now to, either.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt you enormous bully. There's no logic whatsoever for delaying it. I'd like it now, please.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm happy keeping football talk on ILE personally

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

what would be good (and would solve the ghettoisation of lesser boards) would be to have a personalised 'new answers' page that contained an aggregated list of all the new posts on all the boards you're subscribed to.

what's that smell? oh, it's just the server melting down...

― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i mooted that as a suggestion a while back tho i doubt anyone could really be ar5ed to set that up, and i don't blame them for one second.

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, force of habit with the '5' there

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume adding random board for no apparent reason is part of the drive to get people using other boards. I've never gone NEAR the noise board.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

huh? random board? there's the random thread link at the foot of the page, but that's been around almost since the move from greenspun

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i figured this bookmark thing out within 5 seconds of seeing it, because i'm smart :-)

i'm so happy that i can flick to ilwwe within one click

(p.s. guys, any chance you can move the SEARCH link to the top of the page rather than the bottom?)

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice! Thx to the programming folks.

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I like, but why are multiple "Noise" bookmarks appearing om my page?

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeh, random. Without going anywhere near it, I've had a noise board bookmark added to my collection up top. I've now got rid of it, of course, but it's still there.

xpost.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

you got rid of it but it's still there?

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not random, it's due to resident tool Jon Williams putting something in an image tag that adds the noise board to your list. If you look at the admin log at the bottom of the page, people have been clearing up after him. If it's still happening after the last listed deletion, then one must still be out there somewhere. Try and figure out which threads add the link, and report them. And/or turn off images.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the same Jon Williams who goes crying like a mummy's boy to the mods if anyone so much as breathes on his precious board without being vetted by his little friends, is it?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks Andrew that was easy.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone remember why the fite started? oh...yes...

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think at this point "Jon is Satan" vitriol is almost as played out as Jon's annoying board tricks, which at least point out coding bugs and ways that the boards can be exploited to the people who can fix them.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon shd write a book called How To Debug Code And Alienate People.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

but Dan, he did it IN THE MOST ANNOYING MANNER POSSIBLE. creative and useful tho he may be, it did not occur to him to say on the mod/modreq board "hey if you do this = problem". pfft. he was helpful to me, but annoyed many others = he r a shit.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yes, I understand that!

I'm experiencing Usenet-style fatigue, I think; someone consistently acts in a tiresome, annoying manner which causes a whole bunch of people to react in a tiresome, annoying manner, the end result being that everyone becomes tiresome and annoying and someone takes it upon themselves to be all self-righteous and even more annoying by pointing out that everyone is annoying and then 500 people start posting eBay auctions.

Jesus Christ, I suck today.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think at this point "Jon is Satan" vitriol is almost as played out as Jon's annoying board tricks,

maybe, but the 'Jon is GOD' type comments are just as abundant and OTT. still it is re-assuring to know that he makes mistakes just like the rest of us puny fleshlings.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

dan, did you watch the whole of the finalised Rose then?

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I still haven't seen the finalized Rose! I want to!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The rough-cut Rose was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

haha the Doctor Who thread is also safe to return to, due to Moderator action.

Dan, I can tolerate/appreciate Jon depending on mood, but whenever there's a chance to be a dick to people who have never heard of him, he leaps at it.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon did say on the ModReq board, right before he started, "don't let me do this please."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(That was in response to it did not occur to him to say on the mod/modreq board "hey if you do this = problem".)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

so he's a disingenuous shit, makes no difference. he still needlessly annoyed

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Its not really THAT dickish, though, is it? Its only an unwanted bookmark or three - I don't quite get the hysteria here. Approximately 12,856 more dickish things have been done by Ilxors in the past.

Mark - my argument for delaying ILFootball until the new season is that I'm a little worried about the whole thing falling by the wayside over the summer. If you kick it off at the start of the season you're at least guaranteed heavy traffic as discussion of new-look teams, new players etc. is at its highest.

I still worry a little that some of the really good contributors from ILE football threads won't necessarily follow over to a new board, but that's conjecture really.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I like the fact that the FA Cup and Champions League threads tell the story of the season, kind of. I'm still bitter we never got to finish the monster Euro2004 thread ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Its not really THAT dickish, though, is it?

no big deal, but not worth defending either?

if there is an ILF then there is the 'inactive boards are deleted after 30 days' or whatever it is thing that might be a problem over the Summer, but i figure the board would remain active all year round with obvious peak peroids and lulls.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

It annoys the bejesus out of me because it's doing stuff against their will and without warning to the non-technically-minded half of our users, and you're right, 100 other things like that have happened before, but they were by Jon as well.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

On the other hand, if we're keeping Jon, and we need someway to convince Football-heads to feck off to I Love Football, I see a synergy...

― Not reknowned for his love of the beautiful game (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon is the equivalent of graffiti and petty vandalism. It's not the worst thing in the world, a victimles crime maybe, but it makes the place less fun to be, gives it a nasty, antisocial edge, and pisses people off. Soon ILE will be a sprawling virtual sink estate, populated only by the lowest dregs of society.

Or:

Why the fuck waste breath defending fucking inexcusable idiocy, Matt?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

as showoffy mischief (which is all it is) it doesn't annoy me as much as past calum threads, tho i suppose it amounts to the same 'i am better than you' mentality.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you need to say "fuck" a few more times for your point to really hit home, Mark.

― The Fucking Ghost of Fucking Dan "Fuckface" Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Call me a curmudgeon, but for once, I'm actually with Barry on this. ;-)

― Masonic Cathedral (kate), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Curmudgeon.

― Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't defending him, I was just saying "get some perspective". I like graffiti sometimes though.

Your sink estate comment really is very silly and a bit comically Daily Mail-esque as well. People have been predicting the impending collapse of ILX into a vast sprawling anarchistic hole for, ooh, about three years now, and has it happened?

I mean, I could see why the whole Noize thing could have been viewed as a big problem about a year or so ago, because of the way they pitched up and built their own culture on top of ILE with a kind of gleeful contempt for what had gone before. But likewise I think the advent of the Noize Board was an important siphon for all that and its helped hugely. Personally, I find the whole alpha-male pecking order of the place quite sweet ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

and of course the Noise board is no different from ILE or ILM anyway

― Sven Gareth (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Sven, who do you like best out of me and Stevem?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

left side of brain or right side of brain?

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

graffiti [is]... not the worst thing in the world, a victimles crime maybe, but it makes the place less fun to be, gives it a nasty, antisocial edge, and pisses people off.

mark do you really go to places and get bummed out cause there's graffiti? that's like the most ridiculously conservative thing i've ever read. now i'm picturing you on the tube, shrieking cause your tennis whites briefly grazed up against a marker tag.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/comradecardindex/2829979/

― Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't care about the Noise board, or what they do over there, and I do think that you're right, Matt, about it being a syphon for that sort of mentality. Good riddance to 'em.

What I object to is when he forces his crap into my experience, and loads of random other people's ILX experience, then has this whole "change the way *you* browse! my fun is worth more than the inconvenience and annoyance of several hundred other users!" attitude when his vandalism is complained about.

Although I think the "sink estate" comments are typical Barry bombast, I do think that he is OTM about it being vandalism. It's on that kind of level. I wouldn't say graffiti, but it's like kids who smash out the lightbulbs in shared passages.

― Masonic Cathedral (kate), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck that adam! i hear barcelona is rife with petty theft and upturned dustbins!

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't claim to be an expert on graffiti. I don't claim to be an expert on anything.

I'm the guy on the bus that makes that humming sound and won't QUIT.

― Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

*covers ears*

― Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I read siphon as spitoon there - that works for me.

Matt, you *always* do this - I get riled about something so you go into automatic devil's advocate mode and argue against me. Why? I may be an OTT red-faced old grump, but you look like an apologist for idiots, and tar you accordingly.

And Soon ILE will be a sprawling virtual sink estate, populated only by the lowest dregs of society was a (pretty obvious I thought) joke.

I don't want ILE to have to constantly tell off Jon for his latest wankery - I just want him to go away and play somewhere he can be as much of a dick as he likes with no-one getting affected or offended. If this crappy bookmark thing was a first offence, it'd be different but it's not, he ALWAYS does shit like this. He's a spoiled, thoughtless little child.

And YES I'm overreacting but for once, why can't you try and sympathise rather than upbraiding me?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Word has it that Jon is an accomplished cocksman.

― Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

mark p, yes, I think graffiti almost always looks horrible and lends a seedy, sometimes threatening atmosphere to a place. We have to paint our outside stairwell every few months to get rid of the pointless crap that gets written there. People who live in my block have been spat at and abused by taggers.

A friend of mine who lives in Devon was impressed about how much green space there was near my flat - until she saw that the *trees* had been tagged. The way her face fell profoundly affected me.

It's a minor, minor irritation on a global scale, but yes, it's a bad thing. What's your take?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it took me approximately fourteen seconds to remove the extra noise links from my settings. what exactly are we supposed to be sympathizing with?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

my take is that graffiti is okay as long as those hooligans leave my dustbins alone.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

to be fair i get narked when i see ugly tagging on trains, windows etc. i like 'proper' graffiti tho.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

but then proper graffiti = good art, whereas exploiting code specifically in order to wind unwitting people up because some of them like Teh Franz = baaaaad arrrrrrt = death

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The accurate graffiti argument (kindly stop agreeing with me so strongly Mark, or at least stop acting surprised that people believe you've actually moved a foot to the right into Daily Mail territory) is someone who's work is periodically funny, and occasionally beautiful, but who prefers to just spray over the glass in traffic lights.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

if i have to look at fucking ads and billboards all day i'm pretty happy to have graffiti (ie images & communication from people who actually live in my community) to balance it out

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(not that that is analogous to this situation at all)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

95% of graffiti is ugly tagging. The same tag 2 dozen times along a wall? How's that a good thing?

Problem is, mark, that in my building, the people who go there to tag also steal shit and intimidate people. These things are linked whether you like it or not.

Ability to use a spraycan != artist (or potential artist). Ugly tags != art.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

every time i see graffiti i instinctively reach for the can of mace in my manbag. i don't even think about it now, it's automatic.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

So I shouldn't get even the slightest bit annoyed when the newspaper boxes I walk by daily are tagged 'Lies?'/'Propaganda'/'Zionist Post' and so on?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd so they do = art, just not art that you like

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, while it is very entertaining arguing against you when you get yourself into this sort of a tizzy, but I do actually believe what I'm saying here and I'm not being devil's advocate just for the sake of it. Its not like I've never agreed with you in the past on occasions when you've been just as vocal.

(In any case, my first "its not that dickish..." post was in response to Alan and Andrew both of whom like yourself know full well that I wuv them so why you think I am specifically arguing with you is a bit of a mystery)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

if given the chance, any tagger would kill your family and your loved ones. i thought this was common knowledge?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Its okay, they do it for food, not for sport. Only humans do that.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

They also steal your stash, your stereo, your left socks and your stockpile of birth control.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i blame the music!!

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I blame New Labour.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Tagging != art any more than writing your name in the snow while pissing = art, tho that does fade away more easily

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

And then given the chance the taggers bring over their friends to give artistic renditions of what nude ladies look like with their legs spread open.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

you can argue that tagging isn't art that you like, but how is it not art, point final?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I still chuckled at the guy who took the time to paint on a fence near Scarborough station 'All Your Trains Are Belong To Us' a few years back. And then a few weeks later someone corrected his grammar, in paint.

I wish I had a picture of it.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

You can call my turds floating in the bowl art if you want. Still I'm gonna flush it before I leave.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It tagging isn't art, is flyering?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I had a picture of it.

I wish you did, too!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

in a related story, some people call rap music "crap music"

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

you can argue that tagging isn't art that you like, but how is it not art, point final?!

because to me it's like saying banging a saucepan rapidly with a wooden spoon = music. fine if you want to say it is but to expand the idea of what constitutes art in that way devalues the word rather than strengthens it.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd say arbitrarily restricting what a word like "art" means devalues it more than extending it to stuff you don't care for!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mightyweeny.de/graffiti/tags/tag5.jpg

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

my kid could do that!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

s1ocki OTM here, as is mark p.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

pls put all this righteous energy into actually making the world a better place, thanks.

dan, slocki, mark p otm.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is always the same minority of dull predictable people who allege I am "always" "ruining" ILX? Right now I have about 16 noise bookmarks myself with the net impact being a loss of PRECIOUS BROWSER SPACE.

Get one perspective you, sad bitter fucks.

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

slocki extremely OFF the money

Defintion by it's very nature IS 'restrictive'

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

don't pretend you don't love the attention jon

Because by that logic breathing can be art. Which is an utterly useless extrapolation ultimately.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but by saying tags aren't art you are defining art to NOT include what you don't like!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

it's the "tags aren't art" contingent doing the defining here, not me

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure Steve likes a lot of things that he doesn't think are art! And vice versa, too.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

don't pretend you don't love the attention jon

Because by that logic breathing can be art. Which is an utterly useless extrapolation ultimately.

-- Sven Basted (stevem7...) (webmail), March 30th, 2005 1:09 PM. (blueski) (later) (link)

If I wanted attention I could bomb threads with huge images since <img src=""> is on again with no restrictions.

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

god you people are turning into peter schjedelelealala or however you spell his name. arguing about what art is or isn't = sure as hell ain't art, but what it IS is boring as fuck.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Main Entry: art
Pronunciation: 'ärt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin art-, ars -- more at ARM
1 : skill acquired by experience, study, or observation <the art of making friends>
2 a : a branch of learning: (1) : one of the humanities (2) plural : LIBERAL ARTS b archaic : LEARNING, SCHOLARSHIP
3 : an occupation requiring knowledge or skill <the art of organ building>
4 a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1) : FINE ARTS (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art
5 a archaic : a skillful plan b : the quality or state of being artful
6 : decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter
synonyms ART, SKILL, CUNNING, ARTIFICE, CRAFT mean the faculty of executing well what one has devised. ART implies a personal, unanalyzable creative power <the art of choosing the right word>. SKILL stresses technical knowledge and proficiency <the skill of a glassblower>. CUNNING suggests ingenuity and subtlety in devising, inventing, or executing <a mystery plotted with great cunning>. ARTIFICE suggests technical skill especially in imitating things in nature <believed realism in film could be achieved only by artifice>. CRAFT may imply expertness in workmanship <the craft of a master goldsmith>.

Main Entry: mu·sic
Pronunciation: 'myü-zik
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English musik, from Old French musique, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikE any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
2 a : an agreeable sound : EUPHONY <her voice was music to my ears> b : musical quality <the music of verse>
3 : a musical accompaniment <a play set to music>
4 : the score of a musical composition set down on paper
5 : a distinctive type or category of music <there is a music for everybody -- Eric Salzman>

― The Ghost of PWNED BY DICTIONARY (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects

But that's interesting here, and why I brought it up earlier: The graffiti that mark p found is clearly art the first time it's made, but is it still on the hundredth? Skill's there, but not creative imagination.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus are we somehow living in a pre-warhol world all of the sudden?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

or fuck warhol, what about woodprints? lithographs?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Does art become something else when put to use? If I stamped all of my correspondence with a signet ring, is the pattern on my ring not a piece of art?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

arguing about what is or isn't art is far more tedious than graffiti.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(stence: I'd rather argue about the definition of art than about Jon.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(true dat, dan. that's even more pathetic)

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

you are arguing about whether or not it is art = it is art

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, good Point, mark (s(lutsky)).

This entire thread is evidence that we need some way to restrict my access to ILX when I haven't had four hours sleep.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(OOPS, X-POST, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ARGUING ABOUT ART WAS BORING!!)

Art is meaningless without aesthetic transactions and experiences. So in some ways we should be looking less at the object and more at our relationship to it. Not whether we like it or don't like it, but whether we're capable of having a reaction to or engagement with it that can be described as "aesthetic" (keeping in mind the potential broadness of that term). I see no reason to not consider graffiti as art, since it is produced for the sake of being recognized (this is not a necessary feature of art, but it makes graffiti more like most of the things we can agree upon as art) and many people do have an aesthetic reaction to it. To limit the definition of art to only certain categories of objects has the effect of invalidating a whole range of aesthetic experiences that actual people have.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i never understand why ppl have such a hard time w.the idea of "bad art"

of course tagging is art (even the eleventy-twillionth time): what the hell else is it?

it's depressing/oppressive when it's bad art (eg the bus shelter - despite being even more mass-produced - was better art when untagged)

lots of big-deal actual real "proper" art is thoughtless and childish and self-aggrandizing

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

banging a saucepan rapidly with a wooden spoon (Basement Jaxx Remix)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(Does Schjeldahl write about aesthetics, Hstencil? I'd have guessed that among contemporary art critics, this is more Arthur Danto's turf.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jamundy/ZygoticL.jpg

xpost - x for henry flynt

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

awesome

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(Actually, I take back what I said about Danto. I don't actually know that much about him, except that he's more philosophically driven than a lot of art critics. Still, I guess I just wanted to know if there's stuff I should read by Schjeldahl on aesthetics.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

whether or not it's art or not is besides the point. calling it art doesn't mean it's not ugly/blemishing/rude/annoying. i can shit on a plate and call it art, but it's still gonna stink. (nb: i used to be friends with a bunch of taggers and generally stick up for them and tagging in general. in my personal opinion, 1% of it is art, and the other 99% is LOOK AT ME! juvenile bs)

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

you could say the same of pretty much any art form!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

when dogs bark they are saying "i'm a dog!"

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but nobody's erecting sculptures inside buses.

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish they were!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be awesome.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes when dogs bark they are saying "master master, there is a fire down by the old barn and a little girl has fallen in the water, come quickly but call the police first"

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

1: "Watch out, this is Marble Elephant territory."
2: "How can you tell?"
1: *points at marble elephant glued to lamppost*
2: "Oh shit. RUN!!!"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

you won't be wishing that after I install my urine-soaked mini-David made out of rancid meat on your favorite seat!

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.marcellas-montages.com/scrapbook2/images/movies/lassie.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

my urine-soaked mini-David made out of rancid meat

"how are we referring to our penises today", entry #23549

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

now THAT'S art!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://practicalmadness.com/m/images/piss_christ.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yes, I understand that!
I'm experiencing Usenet-style fatigue, I think; someone consistently acts in a tiresome, annoying manner which causes a whole bunch of people to react in a tiresome, annoying manner, the end result being that everyone becomes tiresome and annoying and someone takes it upon themselves to be all self-righteous and even more annoying by pointing out that everyone is annoying and then 500 people start posting eBay auctions.
Jesus Christ, I suck today.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), March 30th, 2005 10:19 AM.

Nah, Dan. You're OTM. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not immune, but it does irk me. I have to deal with enough bickering and general douche-ery in real life, ya know? I need to stay out of it. We all do. This shit's supposed to be fun (or at least diverting), right?

On an unrelated note, I don't hate graffiti, but I wish it wasn't done so poorly everywhere I go in my neighborhood. It would be nice if taggers would just spray up their own property instead of making my part of town look sad (especially when it's cold and rainy out).

― sugarpants: kind of blurry, kind of double (sugarpants), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Most taggers = dud.

Crazy multicolored abstract shit = classic

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

people who write their tags on a stolen packing label and slap it on something = dud

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

YES

― sugarpants: kind of blurry, kind of double (sugarpants), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

o that is weak.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

well at least it's easier to remove i guess

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i love the 'lies' on the newspaper box cuz it inevitably becomes 'flies' within the week. sometimes you get someone esp. handy with a spraycan 'propaganda' becomes 'props2gandalf'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

well at least it's easier to remove i guess

-- ()ops ([email protected]) (webmail), March 30th, 2005 2:02 PM. (()()ps) (later) (link)

They seem to lie tattered and faded on no parking signs for years.

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.fskidmoreproducts.com/09fbbf80.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a tagger with a spelling problem that apparently has lived in the 5-square-mile-radius for close to 10 years now, everything in this neighborhood has "Christanty" written on it...I figure, it's either a retarded named Christian or a Xtian fundamentalist proving a point for all of us.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, if anyone thinks graffiti can't be art, read one Sasha Frere-Jones blog, thx.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

or like, look at some nice pieces.

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

though tagging != grafitti

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i just cleaned out all the Noise bookmarks. add it back if you want it. i won't do that again, but there were so many dupes - and in ppl who hadn't been vocally complaining - that I figured it was easier for the noise ppl to add it back, than for all them ppl to remove the many dupes.

i hope i won't have to do that again - the URL trick shouldn't work any more.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, if anyone thinks graffiti can't be art, read one Sasha Frere-Jones blog, thx.

Very true, but I would say that technically the art there is the photography.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

go to one brooklyn museum

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

...in 1982

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope i won't have to do that again - the URL trick shouldn't work any more.

-- Jaunty Alan (AlanTrewarth...) (webmail), March 30th, 2005 3:06 PM. (Alan) (later) (link)

Are you making sure the http request "accept" header would match "image/*"?

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

why in 1982 oops?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't that around when the "serious" art world started to view grafitti as art?

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

tagging isn't art, tagging is tagging, or indeed vandalism. ALTERNATIVELY, i am breathing in oxygen and breathing out carbon dioxide. it is art. possibly even good art. me breathing is arguably more 'valuable' 'art' than tagging, though others may of course disagree. of course referring to my own process of existence as an artform is, i think, utterly impractical if not completely useless in critical discourse. ditto frivalous pursuits such as tagging or banging a saucepan loudly with a wooden spoon. or being John Cage (ha ha)...

of course, if you invited a bunch of kids into a room, gave them pens and invited them to scrawl all over the walls, then invited other people inside to have a look, that would be art.

i prefer to think of this as a perception or suggestion, rather than an opinion.

― Sven Hongroe (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

bullshit

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ditto frivalous pursuits such as tagging or banging a saucepan loudly with a wooden spoon. or being John Cage (ha ha)...

What about the frivolous pursuit of splattering a bunch of paint on a canvas? Or recording yourself singing and monkeying around with some instruments?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc, i can see a clear difference - probably more to do with the motivation (do taggers think of themselves as artists creating art? is that the best indication of what constitutes art? if not, why not? is it actually that unreasonable?)

though i continue to be fascinated and frustrated by the "this is art" = art' thing, especially considering the idea that location can be as crucial to the context as motivation. if someone says it's art and someone else says it's not then neither is right or wrong, hence 'fun' frustration.

― Momus Hongroe (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

apples and oranges
xpost

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not hearing the aesthetic debate above me.

I am enjoying the new phenomenon of people popping up and the "other boards" they previously never went to, as if they can now travel at warp speed through the bookmark wormhole, as opposed to the former slow boat to Omicron Ceti III on impulse drive.

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i never understand why ppl have such a hard time w.the idea of "bad art"
of course tagging is art (even the eleventy-twillionth time): what the hell else is it?

it's depressing/oppressive when it's bad art (eg the bus shelter - despite being even more mass-produced - was better art when untagged)

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

nah

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

or maybe yes, it would be funny if taggers were reprimanded and prosecuted not for vandalising but for doing it so unimaginatively. Bad artists would become criminals and I would probably be in a lot of trouble (unless I become wholesale judge, in which case everyone else would be in trouble).

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

taggers
Nigel Tufnel to thread!

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the next time someone wonders where the perception that the british hate hip-hop comes from they should be directed to this thread

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Are people still assuming that British people hate hip-hop?

Am I not allowed to like hip-hop anymore because I'm not crazy about graffiti?!

Does hip-hop = graffiti?!?!

― sugarpants: kind of blurry, kind of double (sugarpants), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the next time someone wonders where the perception that the british don't know what hip-hop is comes from they should be directed to this thread

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rotovibe.com/images/spencerair.gif

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.graffiti.org/

(sugarpants, google "4 pillars of hip hop")

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

graffiti has had about as much to do with hip-hop in the last 15 years as sneakers, caps, action figures, branded soft drinks, womens bottoms etc.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i.e. a fair amount but not enough to retain '4 pillars' validity re definition of hip-hop today. what this has to do with the art argument i'm not sure.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The 5 pillars of hip-hop!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(I am particularly fond of the "women's bottoms" pillar myself.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM!!!!!

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

it's five pillars of hip-hop a la five pillars of islam. both will get you arrested.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know if it's up to a british dude on a message board to decide what is and isn't hip hop.

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck you man Kool Herc was from Nuneaton

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, what's happened to my Noise bookmark? it's disappeared during this fiasco

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I renamed my Noise bookmark "Pickle."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Then I renamed my pickle "Noise."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

you were doing art!

― Sven Basted (blueski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.steinway.com/150/carnegie_hall/i/art-garfunkel.jpg

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

gross

― Sven Basted (blueski), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I was wondering where all the Excelsior posts were coming from.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what i wanna know is if graffiti is anything like shouting at people from cars?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Only if you wear a trucker hat while doing it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Noize dudes don't war trucker hats!

― Remy Ulysses Fitzgerald (x Jeremy), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://axisofeve.org/gfx/head.jpg

― Remy Ulysses Fitzgerald (x Jeremy), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

That guy is definately the 'it' guy in his fraternity.

― Remy Ulysses Fitzgerald (x Jeremy), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of you are being very art-ist.

DO YOU SEE!!!!

― The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 31 March 2005 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

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