Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Sounds like they're still annoyed with themselves at missing the LOTR gravy train. ;-)

I DID IT

The Weinstein Company and Miramax -- the studio the Weinstein brothers founded and then sold -- announced a gigantic partnership deal on Thursday (via The Hollywood Reporter), agreeing to create sequels of the smash hit films that the Weinsteins produced for the studio before starting their new production company.

A number of big films are set to see second installments added to their canon: 'Shakespeare In Love,' 'Bad Santa,' 'Swingers,' 'Rounders,' 'Bridget Jones's Diary,' are some of the most famous names to be in line for the part two treatment.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317198/

Shakespeare in Love 2? Oh yay

Will Hard with a Vengeance

Iambic Boogaloo

there's already a second bridget jones movie

Shakespeare in Love 2: Havana Nights

this time it's versonal

Crying Game 2?

there's already a second bridget jones movie

Please don't remind me.

Reindeer Games 2: Blood Sleigh

Rounders: Legacy

Chocolat 2: The Squeakque

Good Will Hunting 2: Open Season

would watch a bad santa sequel

Bad Santa 2: The Baddening

still lolling at "Iambic Boogaloo"

What's next? Henry 5?!

Rounders 2: What Goes A Rounders Comes Back A Rounders Again

Seriously, Dude, Where's My Bard?

Shakespeare In Love 2: Rotten In Denmark

Just finished Peter Biskind's Down and Dirty Pictures: Miramax, Sundance, and the Rise of Independent Film. (Awful title.) Was actually published only a couple of months before the event that started this thread--he gives no indication that that's around the corner. Anyway, as someone who's mostly ignorant about the business end of things, I now know more about these people than I ever wanted to know, and I'm amazed a single movie ever gets made.

Hello.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harvey-weinstein-lawyers-battling-ny-times-new-yorker-potentially-explosive-stories-1045724

boom

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html?smid=tw-share

This is...something.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/us/statement-from-harvey-weinstein.html

I want to buy the movie rights

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 4, 2017

that statement really keeps you guessing huh

how the fuck can his lawyer let him make that statement.

He's always been an asshole of the highest order.

the odds of decades worth of actors, actresses, directors, fellow producers, or any number of people not knowing about this stuff seems to me next to nil.

Lisa Bloom, one of Weinstein’s attorneys who specializes in sexual harassment cases, adds that she has been advising him on “gender and power dynamics” for the past year, calling him “an old dinosaur learning new ways.” She adds that she’s “explained to him that due to the power difference between a major studio head like him and most others in the industry, whatever his motives, some of his words and behaviors can be perceived as inappropriate, even intimidating.”

http://catholicap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/skd229428sdc.jpg

so this guy's got presumably top dollar lawyers and crisis management teams working for him and... that's his statement?

"not used to this new day and age when leveraging your power to coerce young women eager to get a foot in the door into sleeping with you isn't cool. i'm workin' on it. also fuck the NRA and Trump, right guys?!"

oh i forgot about the Jay-Z quote from 4:44

HEY GUYS LETS SHOW HOW CULTURALLY AWARE I AM

Weinstein told NYT he "sincerely apologize[s]" for his behavior, is going on leave.
His lawyer tells Hollywood Reporter he is suing us.

— Nick Confessore (@nickconfessore) October 5, 2017

wow what a total POS

that "apology" reads like a horrendous parody

Harvey the Hutt

surprised it wasn't written in crayon a la tarantino scripts

Speaking of, can't wait for the Tarantino statement. Oh wait I can.

Maybe he can direct the movie.

I posted on this thread 12 years ago jesus christ

lol the I DID IT thread has to do with Harvey's penchant for smoking cigars indoors in CA and not giving a fuck

BREAKING: Weinstein's lawyer gave Manhattan DA 0K after he declined to file sex assault charges against Weinstein https://t.co/LIKNFRWAUv

— David Sirota (@davidsirota) October 5, 2017

bad week for Cyrus Vance, jesus christ

also apparently being a DA in NYC is lucrative as fuck!

People are just tripping over themselves to give him money because they like him so much!

Well, yeah. Straight shooter, that Vance.

btw I thought I posted on this thread like 12 years ago noting what an asshole AND misogynist Harvey was and is, but I couldn't find it via search. Because back then I knew someone at Miramar who complained about this exact shit.

*Miramax

Goddamn this story is insane. Yeah I'm with Josh, there's no way a huge chunk of the film industry didn't know about this. For decades! So gross

so many open secrets just like every other ____________ industrial complex.

Why don't these guys feel shame that these women have no actual interest in them, and/or are actively turned off by them? Do they just not conceive of the women's thoughts at all? Or is that part of the turn on?

Both

Probably. I mean it's such a bizarre fetish, dude looks fucking disgusting & he just wants massages & women to see his whole... situation. Getting off on power and humiliation.

If I thought a dude was disgusted by me, I would feel so embarrassed to try and coerce that dude to sleep with me.

Even more so if the only things in my favor were power/ money/ ability to further their career.

I think you would just have to get to the point where you don't view the other people as actual humans having any sort of agency. They are just your playthings?

Also thinking of DJT lying in bed naked under a sheet because he's ashamed of his body trying to get some woman to come into his hotel bedroom.

It takes all kinds

there's a definite possibility he thinks women are attracted to him

Good follow-up by Rebecca Traister at The Cut: https://www.thecut.com/2017/10/why-the-weinstein-sexual-harassment-allegations-came-out-now.html

Have fun with that, dude.

https://t.co/n0Ty3RiR04

That's an anonymously sourced Daily Mail story though.

Best kind! (I mean, thing is: at this point, sure seems like the thing he'd eventually claim.)

Jeffrey Wells may be the most loathsome blogger in Hollywood, but some of the comments are 'enlightening':

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2017/10/pay-play-massages-payoffs-messy-behavior/

Someone please check the lead content in whatever Cilizza drinks at lunch.

They weren't major donors to the GOP like Weinstein is to Dems https://t.co/dIjVRzLRAq

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) October 6, 2017

lmao constantly pointing out that Weinstein was a major donor to the Dems doesn't seem like a well-thought out line of attack

it's no different and also not as bad as that picture of Bill & Hillary with Trump & Melania. and yeah Cilliza = moron

http://gothamist.com/2017/10/06/harvey_weinstein_accuses_ny_times_o.php?_ga=2.148250871.19607542.1506960782-484564342.1476232601

what a piece of shit

Judd's memory of their encounter was also false, Weinstein insisted, before saying, "I know Ashley Judd is going through a tough time right now, I read her book [her memoir ‘All That Is Bitter and Sweet’], in which she talks about being the victim of sexual abuse and depression as a child. Her life story was brutal, and I have to respect her. In a year from now, I am going to reach out to her."

"in a year from now"

completely perplexed by his statements & comments yesterday in the wake of the NYT piece. like someone said upthread, doesn't this guy have the best crisis management & team of lawyers available??? hasn't he learned that when this shit happens, you make a milquetoast statement & then GO AWAY for a while? it's just bizarre, you see this same thing happen to so many other huge figures that have been exposed & fallen so quickly.

doesn't this guy have the best crisis management & team of lawyers available???

including Obama WH Communications Director Anita Dunn

easier to sell drones vs sex in America

xp I guess he's just ignoring any advice he gets? kind of like Trump, you can get to a certain level where you are too powerful for anyone to protect you from your own worst instincts?

yeah otm it definitely reminded me of Trump. also Ailes, O'Reilly, Cosby obviously...

a certain pain-feelin' president

ha, this pic belongs in that thread of "faces of people who have to apologize for something in front of their wives"

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/303385/2685363/1287687757153/bill-clinton-404_683090c.jpg

Seattle's child-rapist ex-mayor's response to the surfacing of accusations earlier this year was to publish a doctor's note confirming that there were no moles on his genitals. Powerful people just want to keep talking.

Powerful *old* people. Seems like a trend with so many of these cases. Shit, remember the Sandusky/Costas interview?

People with wealth and power who ruthlessly screw whoever they want throughout their entire lives have traditionally made deathbed conversions, so as to clear their path into heaven before they die. Confession is part of the deal. So is building a chapel or paying for masses in perpetuity, although making movies about the NRA probably counts, too.

A story so old that the very first tale in Boccaccio's Decameron is a hilarious take on this phenomenon.

yeah it's an age old tale. exploitation and the entertainment industry. there is the talent and there are the gatekeepers, leeching off both artists and the public. makes you tempted to say, fuck it, just go DIY, just go local. but these abusive power structures exist pretty much everywhere, whether you are CEO of movies or a local promoter who controls access.

this story in particular certainly explains how most movies are largely morality-free power fantasies and have been for decades. it's all cynical, there is no hope for humanity, just self-referential consumerism. Superman just stands there with a dumb look on his face while a room full of people explodes. when is the last time you left a movie feeling something, anything, that perhaps pointed to a universal truth or insight? look who is making them, amoral privileged power mongers.

when is the last time you left a movie feeling something, anything, that perhaps pointed to a universal truth or insight?

Last night.

thanks for sharing, that sounds like a great movie

yeah that happens

/when is the last time you left a movie feeling something, anything, that perhaps pointed to a universal truth or insight?/

Last night.

weren't you just lolling about an publically elected official twice accused of sexual harassment and using his position to silence his abusers?

see, people are fine with it to a degree, even if it is sick, because the tribal thing is so strong, the consumer aspect of branding to one side or the other. to centrist liberals Bill Clinton's transgressions are a laughing matter, and if you are a leftist and bring it up, you are called a sexist or a Russian plant. "oh no! he has to apologize to his wife!" dismisses the voices of the abused. belittling the shit he did normalizes that behavior.

silence his victims

like if there is going to be a moral ground, it needs to apply to everyone, not just "the good guys" or "the bad guys".

Yeah hollywood's been a cesspit for, what, a century? But it's produced great films anyway. Its hit rate may be worse now than at certain points last century but here's the thing, films are being made outside of that particular system. It's kinda on you if you only watch flying punchman movies. Whether good films still exist is kinda a side issue to the topic at hand tho

Sorry on train, missed xposts. I'm against bill Clinton

Dying

lol sorry

man Weinstein made "Velvet Goldmine" and "Princess Mononoke". those are two solid films.

"Holy Smoke" is really good.

yeah there are sickos in any profession it would be better for people to stand up against this. this is the big tragedy here, that many people knew about this and tolerated it because it was good for their careers. it is a selfish act. the internet is good here because now it is easier to get your story out, and seeing all these people come out after something like this drops, it shows that you are not alone. this must be encouraging, and is relatively a new hing, compared to the isolation of pre-internet social media.

Let me get this straight, you said Weinstein “made” Princess Mononoke.

How the hell hasn’t adbru gotten the 51 yet, I wonder to myself daily

ha, I'd never heard this story

Miyazaki met with Harvey Weinstein, Miramax's chairman; Weinstein demanded that edits should be made to Princess Mononoke.[38] In response, Toshio Suzuki sent Weinstein a katana with a message stating "No cuts."[38]

Miyazaki commented on the incident: "Actually, my producer did that. Although I did go to New York to meet this man, this Harvey Weinstein, and I was bombarded with this aggressive attack, all these demands for cuts. I defeated him."[14] Weinstein has always insisted that such editing was done in the interest of creating the most financially viable film. "I'm not cutting for fun", Harvey Weinstein said in an interview. "I'm cutting for the shit to work. All my life I served one master: the film. I love movies."[9][15]

Harvey Weinstein telling Hayao Miyazaki how to make movies, give me a break.

ha, I'd never heard this story

_Miyazaki met with Harvey Weinstein, Miramax's chairman; Weinstein demanded that edits should be made to Princess Mononoke.[38] In response, Toshio Suzuki sent Weinstein a katana with a message stating "No cuts."[38]_

Kind of a mixed message, though. Why would you send someone a sword if you DON'T want them to cut things.

Harvey's lawyers are fleeing

http://gothamist.com/2017/10/07/lisa_bloom_resigns_weinstein.php?_ga=2.21294075.19607542.1506960782-484564342.1476232601

Fired yesterday. Apparently NYT had expose on him in 2004 but killed it under pressure:

I traveled to Rome and tracked down the man who held the plum position of running Miramax Italy. According to multiple accounts, he had no film experience and his real job was to take care of Weinstein’s women needs, among other things.

As head of Miramax Italy in 2003 and 2004, Fabrizio Lombardo was paid $400,000 for less than a year of employment. He was on the payroll of Miramax and thus the Walt Disney Company, which had bought the indie studio in 1993.

I had people on the record telling me Lombardo knew nothing about film, and others citing evenings he organized with Russian escorts.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/actress-rose-mcgowan-calls-entire-103350145.html

After intense pressure from Weinstein, which included having Matt Damon and Russell Crowe call me directly to vouch for Lombardo and unknown discussions well above my head at the Times, the story was gutted.

Those must have been some surreal calls, jesus.

Who signed off on this headline? pic.twitter.com/213KJQMPzA

— Dan Scary (@djperry1973) October 9, 2017

Jesus, Ronan Farrow's piece in the New Yorker is nauseating. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories

Asia Argento, an Italian film actress and director, told me that she did not speak out until now––Weinstein, she told me, forcibly performed oral sex on her—because she feared that Weinstein would “crush” her. “I know he has crushed a lot of people before,” Argento said. “That’s why this story—in my case, it’s twenty years old, some of them are older—has never come out.”

. . .

Three women––among them Argento and a former aspiring actress named Lucia Evans—told me that Weinstein raped them, allegations that include Weinstein forcibly performing or receiving oral sex and forcing vaginal sex. Four women said that they experienced unwanted touching that could be classified as an assault. In an audio recording captured during a New York Police Department sting operation in 2015 and made public here for the first time, Weinstein admits to groping a Filipina-Italian model named Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, describing it as behavior he is “used to.” Four of the women I interviewed cited encounters in which Weinstein exposed himself or masturbated in front of them.

. . .

Other employees described what was, in essence, a culture of complicity at Weinstein’s places of business, with numerous people throughout the companies fully aware of his behavior but either abetting it or looking the other way. Some employees said that they were enlisted in subterfuge to make the victims feel safe. A female executive with the company described how Weinstein assistants and others served as a “honeypot”—they would initially join a meeting, but then Weinstein would dismiss them, leaving him alone with the woman.

. . .

Multiple sources said that Weinstein frequently bragged about planting items in media outlets about those who spoke against him; these sources feared that they might be similarly targeted. Several pointed to Gutierrez’s case, in 2015: after she went to the police, negative items discussing her sexual history and impugning her credibility began rapidly appearing in New York gossip pages. (In the taped conversation with Gutierrez, Weinstein asks her to join him for “five minutes,” and warns, “Don’t ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.”)

And it goes on and on.

I know, I know, the Weakly Standard, but I liked this piece.

wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein

no

2. Audio: Harvey Weinstein admits to assaulting model Ambra Gutierrez. Keep in mind NYC DA Cy Vance had this audio. https://t.co/8W4s5CrLy7 pic.twitter.com/Ft4P70g6Mm

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) October 10, 2017

Good lord

Weinstein had a reputation for insisting on edits when he acquired foreign films, but obv his recently revealed crimes are in a more distressing category.

yikes

it's all just horrific. i choose not to read any comments on these articles, there are so many trashy people in this town who are more than willing to sling mud at those coming forward.

That's the same DA involved in the Ivanka/Don Jr. fraud case -- and who took donations from Trump's lawyer. https://t.co/1sf2NVGd5V https://t.co/Oh20lqTyRo

— Rachel Glickhouse (@Riogringa) October 10, 2017

(Cy Vance, that is)

Two sources close to the police investigation said that they had no reason to doubt Gutierrez’s account of the incident. One of them, a police source, said that the department had collected more than enough evidence to prosecute Weinstein. But the other source said that Gutierrez’s statements about her past complicated the case for the office of the Manhattan District Attorney, Cyrus Vance, Jr. After two weeks of investigation, the District Attorney’s office decided not to file charges. The D.A.’s office declined to comment on this story but pointed me to their statement at the time: “This case was taken seriously from the outset, with a thorough investigation conducted by our Sex Crimes Unit. After analyzing the available evidence, including multiple interviews with both parties, a criminal charge is not supported.”

“We had the evidence,” the police source involved in the operation told me. “It’s a case that made me angrier than I thought possible, and I have been on the force a long time.”

So it's pure victim blaming. Just the fact that she claimed to have been sexually assaulted before was enough to invalidate recorded evidence.

It sucks that this stuff is coming out so late after the NY primaries, Vance clearly should and could have been primaried.

isn't Ronan Farrow ...? Impressed how the writer's personal life did not get inserted into the story at all!

I guess Ronan Farrow was investigating this independently of the NYT reporters? I wonder how many simultaneous investigations were going on.

Ben Affleck clears his throat:

pic.twitter.com/f5AgemRXds

— Ben Affleck (@BenAffleck) October 10, 2017

Looking forward to "THE BOURNE APOLOGY" in which Jason fights off attempts to expose a pimp

— Anthony Bourdain (@Bourdain) October 10, 2017

damn

This in response to Ben also very good/cold:

how's your brother doing https://t.co/KRIjzRtC53

— pilot (@pilotbacon) October 10, 2017

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLvlgmeVoAA20FB.jpg:small

uh

Meantime, is this the angriest I've ever seen or heard this man, about anything?

“I will go anywhere I can learn more about myself.” Try prison you fucker. https://t.co/Wy6fQyTqAw

— david sylvian (@davidsylvian58) October 10, 2017

"fucker" maybe not the best choice of insults there

I had to check Schrader's FB page to see if this was real *and it was*

buddy. pic.twitter.com/I29HkMT7UN

— Ken Greller (@kengreller) October 10, 2017

Good thread

Yet last year Nate Parker, who was acquitted of a rape charge almost 2 decades ago by a jury had to be gotten out of the paint immediately?

— Neo Liberal (@RickyRawls) October 10, 2017

someone dig up that Shcrader/Nastassja Kinski excerpt

nice time to come up with a stunningly tin-eared take, P.S.

And the hits just keep on coming: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-harvey-weinstein.html

What was the last remotely useful thing Schrader did?

his new movie is good

When Gwyneth Paltrow was 22 years old, she got a role that would take her from actress to star: The film producer Harvey Weinstein hired her for the lead in the Jane Austen adaptation “Emma.” Before shooting began, he summoned her to his suite at the Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel for a work meeting that began uneventfully.

It ended with Mr. Weinstein placing his hands on her and suggesting they head to the bedroom for massages, she said.

“I was a kid, I was signed up, I was petrified,” she said in an interview, publicly disclosing that she was sexually harassed by the man who ignited her career and later helped her win an Academy Award.

She refused his advances, she said, and confided in Brad Pitt, her boyfriend at the time. Mr. Pitt confronted Mr. Weinstein, and soon after, the producer threatened her not to tell anyone else about his come-on. “I thought he was going to fire me,” she said.

Rosanna Arquette, a star of “Pulp Fiction,” has a similar account of Mr. Weinstein’s behavior, as does Judith Godrèche, a leading French actress. So does Angelina Jolie, who said that during the release of “Playing by Heart” in the late 1990s, he made unwanted advances on her in a hotel room, which she rejected.

“I had a bad experience with Harvey Weinstein in my youth, and as a result, chose never to work with him again and warn others when they did,” Ms. Jolie said in an email. “This behavior towards women in any field, any country is unacceptable.”

A New York Times investigation last week chronicled a hidden history of sexual harassment allegations against Mr. Weinstein and settlements he paid, often involving former employees, over three decades up to 2015. By Sunday evening, his entertainment company fired him.

On Tuesday, The New Yorker published a report that included multiple allegations of sexual assault, including forced oral and vaginal sex. The article also included accounts of sexual harassment going back to the 1990s, with women describing how intimidating Mr. Weinstein was.

Several days ago, additional actresses began sharing with The Times on-the-record stories of casting-couch abuses. Their accounts hint at the sweep of Mr. Weinstein’s alleged harassment, targeting women on the way to stardom, those who had barely acted and others in between. Fantasies that the public eagerly watched onscreen, the women recounted, sometimes masked the dark experiences of those performing in them.

The encounters they recalled followed a similar narrative: First, they said, Mr. Weinstein lured them to a private place to discuss films, scripts or even Oscar campaigns. Then, the women contend, he variously tried to initiate massages, touched them inappropriately, took off his clothes or offered them explicit work-for-sex deals.

In a statement on Tuesday, his spokeswoman, Sallie Hofmeister, said: “Any allegations of non-consensual sex are unequivocally denied by Mr. Weinstein. Mr. Weinstein has further confirmed that there were never any acts of retaliation against any women for refusing his advances. He will not be available for further comments, as he is taking the time to focus on his family, on getting counseling and rebuilding his life.”

Even in an industry in which sexual harassment has long persisted, Mr. Weinstein stands out, according to the actresses and current and former employees of the film companies he ran, Miramax and the Weinstein Company. He had an elaborate system reliant on the cooperation of others: Assistants often booked the meetings, arranged the hotel rooms and sometimes even delivered the talent, then disappeared, the actresses and employees recounted. They described how some of Mr. Weinstein’s executives and assistants then found them agents and jobs or hushed actresses who were upset.

His alleged behavior became something of a Hollywood open secret: When the comedian Seth MacFarlane announced Oscar nominees in 2013, he joked, “Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.” The audience laughed. According to a 2015 memo by a former Weinstein Company executive that The Times previously disclosed, the misconduct continued.

More established actresses were fearful of speaking out because they had work; less established ones were scared because they did not. “This is Harvey Weinstein,” Katherine Kendall, who appeared in the film “Swingers” and television roles, remembers telling herself after an encounter in which she said Mr. Weinstein undressed and chased her around a living room. Telling others meant “I’ll never work again and no one is going to care or believe me,” she reasoned at the time, she said in a recent interview.

Ms. Paltrow, 45, is now an entrepreneur, no longer dependent on securing her next acting role. But she emphasized how much more vulnerable she felt at 22, when Mr. Weinstein had just signed her up for a star-making part. On a trip to Los Angeles, she received a schedule from her agents for the hotel meeting with Mr. Weinstein.

There was no reason to suspect anything untoward, because “it’s on the fax, it’s from C.A.A.,” she said, referring to Creative Artists Agency, which represented her.

When Mr. Weinstein tried to massage her and invited her into the bedroom, she immediately left, she said, and remembers feeling stunned as she drove away. “I thought you were my Uncle Harvey,” she recalled thinking, explaining that she had seen him as a mentor.

After she told Mr. Pitt about the episode, he approached Mr. Weinstein at a theater premiere and told him never to touch Ms. Paltrow again. Mr. Pitt confirmed the account to The Times through a representative.

Soon after, Mr. Weinstein called Ms. Paltrow and berated her for discussing the episode, she recalled. (She said she also told a few friends, family members and her agent.) “He screamed at me for a long time,” she said, once again fearing she could lose the role in “Emma.” “It was brutal.” But she stood her ground, she said, and insisted that he put the relationship back on professional footing.

Even as Ms. Paltrow became known as the “first lady of Miramax” and won an Oscar for “Shakespeare in Love” in 1999, very few people knew about Mr. Weinstein’s advances. “I was expected to keep the secret,” she said.

Like several of the other women interviewed for this article, she felt she had to suppress the experience. She praised Mr. Weinstein publicly, posed for pictures with him and played the glowing star to his powerful producer. Yet their work relationship grew rockier over the years, she said, and she distanced herself. “He was alternately generous and supportive and championing, and punitive and bullying,” she said.

Now, with the process of tallying the size and scope of Mr. Weinstein’s abuse allegations underway, Ms. Paltrow and others said they wanted to support women who had already come forward and help those in similar situations feel less alone.

“We’re at a point in time when women need to send a clear message that this is over,” Ms. Paltrow said. “This way of treating women ends now.”

fortunately Weinstein didn't give that film the Wong or Bertolucci treatment

okay I read Simon H's linked article up there and the last lines don't disappoint

The 2016 election demolished Clinton world once and for all, to be replaced by the cult of Obama, an austere sect designated by their tailored hair shirts with Nehru collars. “That is not who we are as Americans,” they chant, as Harvey Weinstein’s ashes are scattered in the wind.

what's wrong with tailored hair shirts with Nehru collars

xxxp wtf is wrong with Tablet Magazine?! Weirdest fucking media outlet, I really don't get it at all.

What wit – I don't even know if those last two sentences are praise.

Excuses excuses

Manhattan DA’s office on Weinstein: "If we could have prosecuted Harvey Weinstein for the conduct that occurred in 2015, we would have." pic.twitter.com/Y5HslZORN4

— Dan Linden (@DanLinden) October 10, 2017

Why can we not have this man beaten publicly?

It took 5 days for Hillary Clinton to say something on Weinsteinhttps://t.co/D8Gq6l5DOZ

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) October 10, 2017

stopped clock finally hit upon a valid point

LOL no he didn't, but as long as it's dragging a Clinton for something they aren't responsible I expect you to be on board.

DR MORBIUS AND OTHER DUMMIES: Why can't Clinton just shut up and go away?

ALSO DR MORBIUS AND OTHER DUMMIES: Why isn't Clinton saying anything about Weinstein?

I'm surprised that flies and shit are in proximity.

related

Weinstein wasn’t always so pro-Obama. In 2008, he was a staunch Hillary Clinton backer during the acrimonious Democratic primary. During that cycle, the Democratic National Committee docked Michigan and Florida delegates for trying to jump the queue in scheduling primaries—a move that hurt Clinton’s chances against Obama. CNN reported that Weinstein threatened then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying he would not give to congressional Democrats unless Pelosi backed a plan to hold revotes in those two states. Weinstein confirmed his pressure in a statement to Nikki Finke, but Pelosi did not budge and Obama won the primary. Notably, Pelosi does not appear on the list of candidates to whom Weinstein has given, though he did give to the DCCC after the clash.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/weinstein-democratic-bankroller/542202/

Hillary Clinton should also be fired from the Weinstein Company imo.

And probably impeached.

Well public statements about tolerating abhorrent behavior towards women put her in an awkward position

XPS If only for the cuts she demanded be made to Shaolin Soccer.

Erica Garner noted today (with some horror) that Weinstein's was the endorsement the Clinton camp rolled out shortly after she endorsed Bernie.

Wow @ all of this

That's kind of funny in light of Weinstein's emails specifically about the Garner endorsement and how they had to take some attention away from it -- like, having Weinstein himself endorse Clinton is not how I would think of going about trying to achieve that goal.

Why? Was it up to Hilary Clinton to break the Harvey Weinstein story? No, it very obviously was not, any more than it was up to McGowan or Paltrow or Jolie or any of these other women.

What is it that Clinton has not done in regards to this specific situation that you think she should have done or should now do? I'm going to assume that the money Weinstein donated and raised for her two failed Presidential campaigns is spent. It's gone. There's no giving it back. Should she give something back to someone out of her personal wealth now? If so, why? And who?

Should she not have ever taken money from him in the first place? That's about the only reasonable argument to be made here, but unless you, or Morbius, or Chris Cilizza know something that nobody else does, you can't definitively say "Clinton knew about Weinstein and took his money anyway."

Several xps to man alive

No dude, I'm saying she is obviously in an awkward position to make public statements about what kind of treatment of women should be tolerated because of her own husband.

Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.

As for what should have been done, idk, it certainly wasn't any one man or woman's special responsibility, but that's exactly the problem, the culture of tolerating whatever from "powerful people" because they are powerful; and it's not like those people tolerating him were minimum wage workers dependent on him so they could feed their kids; some of them were themselves powerful and sought not to rock the boat with him out of pure self-interest.

Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:35 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally missing the point. I'm not saying it's her "fault" I'm just saying it sounds a little thin coming from her to say what kind of behavior should be tolerated when she clearly tolerates it.

also from the Atlantic

Malia Obama, Obama’s eldest daughter, interned for Weinstein this year.

BHO didn't read Gawker?

Tolerating a philandering husband who at worst took advantage of an eager intern is a lot different from tolerating a serial abuser and rapist. It's apples and snow tires.

Bill Clinton has also been accused of rape.

"at worst" ... I think you mighta wanna read up

But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is

Even the Lewinsky stuff, however, I think if you can imagine the same scenario but just with any gross old man boss instead of the democratic savior of the 90s and it would seem a little worse than you are characterizing it.

PROVABLY at worst. Yes, I lived through the Paula Jones era, boys.

But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is

Again, this would be the "What did she know and when did she know it?" question, wouldn't it? Want to share, since obviously you know?

I'm glad the Usual Suspects have managed to identify the primary villain, Hilary Clinton, though.

is there a rule that every thread on this board must turn into a protracted argument about Hillary Clinton or something

^^^^^

Like, if you find yourself nodding along with Chris Cilizza, take a step back and reassess where you went wrong.

xp Don't make me pull an "I happen to have Marshall McLuhan right here" in re Lewinsky. She's been pretty upfront about her role and neither you nor I are in a position to gainsay her.

Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.

i'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that David Sylvian chimed in on this on Twitter with the word 'fucker'. What a weird world this is.

Wagner wrote some pretty fair music.

I've said repeatedly that Allen hasn't made a good film in 20 years, so piss off.

xp

wait till NRO cites David Sylvian – then it's a weird world

wow, i've never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS

— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017

PROVABLY at worst.

Virtually none of what's being discussed here is "provable" in a legal context so that's a bullshit framing

always believe the woman (unless she's talking about Bill Clinton)

wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein

imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country

xp that's fair enough, so I'll also just say that it was hard *at the time* to separate the signal from the noise re: Bill Clinton accusers given the poisonous atmosphere of political hit pieces against him -- drug trafficking, assassinations, and all that garbage. Bill Clinton probably did harass Jones and Willey. Broaddrick appears to have gone bonkers, so who knows with her.

🐦[wow, i’ve never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS🕸
— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017🕸]🐦

Donna Karan checkin' in

"You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble."

"I don't think it's only Harvey Weinstein. I don't think we're only looking at him. I think we're looking at a world much deeper than that. Yes, I think he's being looked at right now as a symbol, not necessarily as him. I know his wife, I think they're wonderful people, Harvey has done some amazing things...."

http://gothamist.com/2017/10/10/donna_karan_harvey_weinste.php

/wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein/

imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country

yeah Karan stepped in that big time. Expect boycotts of her shit.

grotesque producer accused of raping beloved starlets & seems like tons of testimonies now. he can't buy his way out of this.

grotesque producer accused of raping beloved starlets & seems like tons of testimonies now. he can't buy his way out of this.

he's already been sacked, I'd be surprised if there are any more formal steps taken. either way, he's just one of scores.

Yeah HW is definitely not the exception to the rule wrt Hollywood producers im guessing

What's Bryan Singer got on his docket lately?

we're getting to the point (or getting to yet another point) where people who put the blinders on when they get to a certain age or position are having to wake the fuck up and realize they're complicit in things

the entire "oh but X did Y in 1990!" argument is bullshit because yeah, people should have been better about things thing, and being complicit then or deeming something socially tolerable nearly thirty years ago doesn't mean rolling on with that in 2017 is still going to fly

the short version is that people have assuming such casting couch arrangements, even when it's rape and not tacit quid pro quo, are just the cost of doing business. and, frankly, no.

tbrr the idea that hollywood includes all this shit as a matter of course and it's lurid tabloid material has propped up Weinstein more than hurt him, if you go by the anecdotes about his people dropping leads to the press

Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:50 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm on the record eviscerating Woody Allen fwiw

If various celebrities and politicians want to claim they knew nothing about the sexual assault allegations, I guess that's fine, there's a lot coming out about that now that maybe wasn't fully vocalized in the past. But anyone that was pals with Weinstein or happily took his money at least knew that he was a horrible person. I knew this and I know next to nothing about the movie biz.

From Terry Crews's Twitter -- he didn't thread these, but start here and scroll up:

This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME. (1/Cont.)

— terrycrews (@terrycrews) October 10, 2017

kinda hard to work in that sphere while avoiding horrible people entirely. If you worked in nightclubs up through the '50s, you worked for gangsters, period.

I have to imagine if you grab at Terry Crews like that, you are secretly hoping to be flattened.

or expressing just how much power you perceive yourself to possess

^^^

tom cruise should have known better than to do that to terry crews. did he think he could get away with that because their names are pronounced the same?

I mean, that at least helps put the lie to the entire "if it was me I'd punch the guy or fight back" bullshit

the default human reaction for sexual harassment from someone you've met isn't some "oh shit, better fight back" reaction, especially if it's among a group of your peers and people with power

JFC no, it's not
anyone who thinks that is living in a magical imaginary world

it's almost like the common denominator is power, which is primarily held in money

and men

yes

Rose McGowan is absolutely fierce on Twitter today. She's called out Affleck as a liar, claiming he absolutely knew about Weinstein, and she's started a petition calling for the entire TWC board to be dissolved.

she's fantastic

Tarantino still hasn't said a word, has he.

I am sure he has said many, many words but none publicly

he was talking about how he shivered when he heard the news and wanted to find out more about it

What a great job Andy Muschetti has done in IT. It made me shiver. What other interesting things does Argentina have?

— Quentin Tarantino (@qtarantino) October 9, 2017

sorry i misread that

Amazing.

Weinstein's wife is splitting

http://people.com/movies/harvey-weinstein-wife-georgina-chapman-separating/

Fired Weinsteins because they were irresponsible, and Harvey was an incorrigible bully. Had no idea he was capable of these horrible actions

— Michael Eisner (@Michael_Eisner) October 10, 2017

I needed a laugh, thank you https://t.co/qXDWYXZmkU

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 10, 2017

Its interesting to read that Brad Pitt got up in Weinsteins face after he harrassed Gwynneth P, and said "touch her again and there'll be trouble" and it seems that worked. Why didnt more men do this?

found this on rose mcgowan's twitter (thank you, i don't follow actors because they blab too much but i like her)

http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/damon-affleck-father-of-daughters-excuse-harvey-weinstein.html?utm_campaign=vulture&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1

zing!

Having a daughter shouldn’t be a requirement for internalizing the problems of working within a sexist industry. Your wives gave birth to a baby girl, not a moral compass.

xp - trayce many of them need to have a daughter first

sadlol

LL - god. Sad but true :(

hate to say it but Pitt was probably one of the few actors who could have done it and a lot of these women were alone in their fight and didn't feel like they had the backup, probably. Jolie decided to not work with him ever again, and looking at IMDb it appears as though Pitt himself worked on only three projects associated w/Weinstein and only on one where he was more than a cameo (Inglorious Basterds, which was likely a film where he wouldn't have had to deal w/Weinstein, since Tarantino has final cut.)

Its interesting to read that Brad Pitt got up in Weinsteins face after he harrassed Gwynneth P, and said "touch her again and there'll be trouble" and it seems that worked. Why didnt more men do this?

Most of them, if they even knew, didn't have Pitt's juice. And frankly he could have done more. xp

I feel like another issue with Hollywood is that SO MANY people in it are motherfuckers who treat people like shit - in a sexual way or otherwise. People don't go out and denounce it because everyone is doing it.

well we don't know what he tried to do or didn't do...we also don't know what Paltrow told him at the time, she may have said look let's just drop it, he won't mess with me again.

i have a friend who was recently the victim of unwanted sexual advances from an acquaintance/neighbor of ours (she considered it to have stopped short of anything criminal) and when i told her i was ready to cross the street and have a conversation about it, she asked me not to. we all simply cut him out of our lives and told everyone we knew to steer clear.

You're right, and it's folly to say "x/ally/whoever could have done more" on an individual level but it is galling, if not exactly surprising, that it took this long for the dam to break. As the piece I linked put it, this would not even have happened if HW still had the pull and power he used to.

Why Farrow went to the New Yorker

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-harvey-weinstein-investigation_us_59dd2739e4b04fc4e1e96d08?7d5

'concerns related to the story’s sourcing' lol

jingleberries is also right, weinstein is probably one of the worst offenders but the industry is full of a lot of creeps and cheaters and abusers. this isn't specific to hollywood but it's so unregulated, there are so many people at high levels who can use their influence to get what they want to so many low level people who pretend to have influence to get what they want, or worse yet and more accurately both will TAKE what they want.

and nobody stops them and everyone is taking notes for how theyre going to fuck everyone over when its their turn in charge

The use of NDAs in all of this is scary. They seem like way too powerful a means for a rich abuser to keep individual victims from knowing about each other and building a critical mass of accusations.

How enforceable are NDAs when they cover criminal activity, though?

I'm still flabbergasted that Trump can be recorded admitting to sexual assault, a dozen women can come forward to accuse him of it, and yet nothing happens - in fact worse than nothing happens, and the majority of white women actually vote for him. I guess Weinstein should run for president.

nomar otm, Terence Howard is on a top rated TV show every week , Casey Affleck has an Oscar, etc.

"Hi, Roman? Gotta place to crash?"

Harvey Weinstein Flying to Europe Tonight for Sex Addiction Rehab https://t.co/uxgQPYxTpT

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) October 10, 2017

Good luck changing any of this on a systemic level as long as extreme wealth exists. Until then it's Whack-an-Asshole.

Lol @ whack-an-asshole

Otm tho. Shit is systemic in the industry, since its founding.

It's definitely something that happens in every industry but entertainment has a special combination of huge amounts of money and vulnerable physically attractive young people who are desperate and don't have bargaining power.

it's tragic how a nothing human like this guy can cut such a swath through a whole generation of talented actors who are left traumatized. i mean clearly some were run completely from the industry or left as a result, and some are still wrecked by it.

a special combination of huge amounts of money and vulnerable physically attractive young people who are desperate and don't have bargaining power

this is every industry. this particular manifestation is particularly horrible and upsetting but at the end of the day it's just another form of exploitation.

Undeniable, but I don’t think that post was incorrect.

Heather Graham has a story:

In the early 2000s Harvey Weinstein called me into his office. There was a pile of scripts sitting on his desk. “I want to put you in one of my movies,” he said and offered to let me choose which one I liked best. Later in the conversation, he mentioned that he had an agreement with his wife. He could sleep with whomever he wanted when he was out of town. I walked out of the meeting feeling uneasy. There was no explicit mention that to star in one of those films I had to sleep with him, but the subtext was there.

A few weeks later, I was asked to do a follow-up meeting at his hotel. I called one of my actress friends to explain my discomfort with the situation, and she offered to come with me. En route, she called me to say she couldn’t make it. Not wanting to be at the hotel alone with him, I made up an excuse — I had an early morning and would have to postpone. Harvey told me that my actress friend was already at his hotel and that both of them would be very disappointed if I didn’t show. I knew he was lying, so I politely and apologetically reiterated that I could no longer come by.

That was the end of that encounter — I was never hired for one of his films, and I didn’t speak up about my experience. It wasn’t until Ashley Judd heroically shared her story a few days ago that I felt ashamed. If I had spoken up a decade ago, would I have saved countless women from the same experience I had or worse?

The question — and this is not an excuse — is what defines sexual harassment in the workplace? He didn’t explicitly offer a trade — sex for work — even though I knew that was what he was implying. And I hadn’t gone to his hotel. I know this is an inner dialogue many women have — it’s part of what’s holding so many of us back from sharing our stories. We don’t want to be attacked for reading into something that may or may not have been there. We don’t want to be looked at as weak for not being able to handle ourselves in a business run by men. We don’t want to lose work by being defined as a Difficult Woman. We don’t want to be the first or only voice in the room.

My hope is that this moment starts a dialogue on redefining sexual harassment in the workplace and empowers women to speak out when they feel uncomfortable in a situation. I hope that dialogue covers the gray areas where we ask ourselves, “Did what I think happen just happen?” and that we are no longer shamed into feeling that we should grow a thicker skin, or that our story “isn’t good enough to count.” I’m glad the victims are being heard, that powerful voices in the industry are speaking up to say this kind of behavior isn’t acceptable anymore, and that a predator is finally facing the consequences — it means the world is starting to change for the better.

While I still do feel guilty for not speaking up all those years ago, I’m glad for this moment of reckoning. To the countless other women who have experienced the gray areas: I believe you.

Undeniable, but I don’t think that post was incorrect.

Not at all.

It happened in a firm in my niche, female friends of mine worked there (and gladly left ASAP). I don't know whether it was well known outside that firm or not but people within certainly knew and looked the other way (not referring to my female friends who didn't have much power).

Judy Garland was molested by MGM executives in the '30s, I think.

this entire podcast is basically about hollywood being built on exploiting women (and its fucking excellent)

http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/

Yeah i was referring specifically to hollywood, which is actually historically worse than a lot of other industries in this respect imo.

Xp

I would guess the modelling industry is similar, but it's that combination of a field that many more want to get into than can, and the fact that they are young and attractive that makes it so prevalent.

Joining the ranks of celebrities chiming in on the Harvey Weinstein scandal, Lindsay Lohan took to her Instagram account to give her two cents — not to speak out against the Hollywood executive, but to defend him.

She made an Instagram story saying, “I feel very bad for Harvey Weinstein right now. I don’t think it’s right what’s going on.” She added, “He’s never harmed me or did anything to me – we’ve done several movies together. I think everyone needs to stop – I think it’s wrong. So stand up.”

She also addressed Georgina Chapman, who recently announced that she is leaving Weinstein, saying that Chapman needed to “take a stand and be there for her husband.” The message was deleted soon after it was posted.

Applause for Heather Graham there - good to publicly broaden the scope of what this can look like, and the detail of HW lying about her friend being there is especially good/gross to add to the 'nothing SPECIFICALLY stated' assault / masturbation / rape accounts, that already painted a picture of his full awareness vs "the times" he grew up in.

also:

No way he flees the country, dude does not have a French passport like Polanski.

wonder if Fabrizio Lombardo has booked this rehab for him

look, if you're gonna do PR-mandated sex rehab, you gotta do it in europe. it's just not the same in the states. everyone should do it at least once before they die, there's nothing else like it.

personally, i took a gap year before NYU just to do PR-mandated sex rehab in amsterdam

See, I was too poor for that. I had to have American PR-Mandated Sex Rehab.

I guess Weinstein should run for president.

Perfect way for the Democrats to beat Trump.

My dad continues to be the coolest 72-year-old Army vet I know. After I posted something on FB about this today, he posted this reply:

When I was in the Army at Ft. Leonard Wood there was a rash of sexual abuse involving female trainees and drill sergeants (DIs). All officers were told to get on top of this problem and provide their NCOs with clear cut guidance on things that were both socially taboo and against Army regulations. I got all of my DIs together for a quick briefing. I kept it simple. I asked them if they would say "good morning PVT. Joe Snuffy, what pretty blue eyes you have." They all laughed and said, "of course not, sir." To which I replied, "good, don't say it to PVT Mary Jones either." Then I went on to explain how easy it is to over reach your position of authority and I wouldn't tolerate it. Although I was the officer in charge, I had been an NCO for 12 years of my career and heard and saw plenty. They didn't know my background.

I suspect that if he ever saw someone either in the military or in his civilian career under his authority who was doing something as rancid as Weinstein, he might have skipped the talk and just beat the ever-loving shit out of them.

I know sex addiction is a real thing, but it's remarkable how many harassers/assaulters suddenly realize they have it only when they are publicly accused of harassment and assault.

lol @ Pvt. Joe Snuffy

Hey, don't disrespect our vets.

http://oldtimemoviesandradio.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/private-snuffy-smith-e1500040681289.jpg

Ben Affleck Is Accused of Groping Actress Hilarie Burton

And on it goes.

I just received this statement from @Caradelevingne detailing her experience with Harvey Weinstein. Thank you, Cara. pic.twitter.com/SA1D05lYH4

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) October 11, 2017

Grosser and grosser

i want people to go harder after Page Six, check this hit piece from 2015. Four people used to try to take down the legitimate claim by Ambra Battilana Gutierrez.

https://pagesix.com/2015/03/31/model-who-accused-weinstein-of-molestation-attends-show-with-tickets-he-gave-her/?_ga=2.106979778.134139512.1507701913-1469455140.1432402142

that Delevingne statement is so creepy

yeah the assistant saying "you're car won't be here for a while you should go to his room". love to aid and abet sexual assault and harassment for a living.

but also like he obviously is so premeditated and carefully planned with his gross schemes. has the staff working on it.

Any idea which film and director she's referring to in that story?

It occurs to me that Weinstein didn't even have the normal idiot excuse of being a complete drunk

which is not at all an excuse, it just makes you look like a well-rounded trainwreck of a douche

i believe she's talking about Tulip Fever directed by Justin Chadwick. Filmed in 2014, released in 2017.

and yeah, nomar otm, every fucking jackass gossip columnist who ran rape apologia pieces should get aired out

Hope this keeps going like dominoes and we can have a Rolling thread for these people every year.

I hope it stops! The harassment, I mean, not the public stories explaining this shit

Really kinda hope this avalanche gets Corey Feldman to come out and name the former A-listers he's been insinuating about for years now.

go look at the twitter for two of them, Danika Fears and Mara Siegler, they're retweeting Rose McGowan and stories about how horrible Harvey Weinstein is. And they put there names on that shit I linked.

honestly idk what to do with any of this information. like, I already knew Hollywood was a cesspool of sexist abuse (as it has been for nearly a century), and playing "whack-an-asshole" w/each one that comes up is I guess helpful in some small way but I'm a little cynical about any systemic change resulting from it.

the people who are always loudly claiming that industries should be meritocracies are unsurprisingly doing some victim blaming

maybe if these kinds of revelations destroy enough careers predators will think twice before they harass someone - both bc they'll see the potential consequences and bc their victims will be more emboldened to speak out.

“kindly remove your tweet about my client “ #rapeculture

— CEDRIC BIXLER ZAVALA (@cedricbixler_) October 11, 2017

He had alluded to the rape charges against Danny Masterson

i'm not sure where the cynicism would come from, Mordy otm. i'm not sure it's helpful in a small way, i think seeing how Harvey Weinstein of all people is now a complete pariah in Hollywood will make a lot of people rethink their behavior or it will prevent it in the future.

lol wait how did Cedric wind up in the Weinstein thread

Wonder how long it would take to have an effect on Japanese Idol culture.

I mean, it's kinda the rolling hollywood sexual abuse thread of the moment. I hadn't heard about these allegations against Masterson before.

xp

That Page Six story is nuts.

Her Instagram account is filled with lingerie shots from various modeling gigs, along with preachy aphorisms like “Be real and honest always” and “There is no good sex without love.”

they used to throw "troublemakers" in sanitariums to silence them. now with the internet, not even a powerful exec can stop a story once it's gotten out. we've come a long way since the days of Francis Farmer. im a little more on the optimistic side. let's get all these stories out, shed light on this shit.

Rape accuser had had sex before, source claims (xp)

maybe if these kinds of revelations destroy enough careers predators will think twice before they harass someone - both bc they'll see the potential consequences and bc their victims will be more emboldened to speak out.

yes i would also like an enlightened state of messianic redemption when people never treat each other cruelly bc all humanity follows even basic rudimentary moral codes but until that point some pragmatic deterrents are also good

Imagine

silby and mordy otm

cedric's feed today has been quite something

I would like a more equal society where the massive power imbalances that breed craven exploitation are no longer even legal but y'know that's me

There was a grisly Mair interview earlier, with a Brit producer who has worked with HW on multiple movies. He turned up at a private work related screening of In The Cut she was at and instructed the projectionist to FF to the "part where Meg Ryan gets her tits out" and then proceeded to jerk off in the seat behind her is the gist of her story. When I say private, she was the only person present apart from the projectionist.

http://www.scarymommy.com/sexual-harassment-how-not-be-accused/

While navigating professional relationships can often require that dreaded thing known as “any amount of work at all,” there is hope. You see, by following this one simple rule, you, too, can interact with women as people.

It’s as clear-cut as this: Treat all women like you would treat Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson...
...

Oh shoot! She’s pretty! In the face, even. What to do?! I mean, you know it’d be inappropriate to treat the coffee meeting as a date since her clearly stated intentions were professional. But on the other hand, she’s blonde, and so was your last girlfriend! This is so confusing! What a minefield you are in.

But navigating this sticky situation can be made easy by employing The Rock Test. Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and when you open them, pretend Karen looks like this: (picture of The Rock)

Wow! Karen looks pretty tough and strong and sweaty! She looks like a person who is working very hard to achieve her goals, having left behind a situation that clearly wasn’t working, headed for bigger and better things. Maybe ask her about that? But definitely don’t hit on her. It looks like she could kill you with the chair you’re sitting on.

thing is, the terry crews stuff obviates that

@imago - what is Cedric's connection to all this? his wife?

I don't think all harassers are as bold or view themselves as powerful as one that'd harass Terry Crews

cedric appears to have recently escaped a certain religious institution/cult

wtf

Producer interviewed by Mair and just now on C4 is Alison Owen, who is Lily Allen’s mum. She said that she never had a firsthand account of HW’s antics, and even though she found him gross at that private screening, nothing he did in her presence was call-the-police actionable, and all the stories people shared were FOFish and basically hearsay.

Whoa I just looked at Cedric's twitter - glad that he's still with his wife, but distressed nonetheless that they're being harassed by Scientologists. Hope he's right about dominoes continuing to fall. LOL'd at this:

Here we have LRH trying to audit the compulsion to rape out of a fucking tomato. Poor tomato must have raped in a past life. Not its fault pic.twitter.com/K2G03sA0Mb

— CEDRIC BIXLER ZAVALA (@cedricbixler_) October 11, 2017

also important:

the lead in this beloved series is a Scientologist who turns a blind eye to the abuses of her own church. She is “of David”. Miscavige. pic.twitter.com/A5aexhyIsD

— CEDRIC BIXLER ZAVALA (@cedricbixler_) October 11, 2017

all the stories people shared were FOFish and basically hearsay.

FOFish as in 'fact or fake'?

Fertile. Of Fred.

Friends of friends.

fuck yah cedric

Can't wait for when Scientology eventually, finally goes down

A profile in courage

pic.twitter.com/z8cyxrd693

— Seth MacFarlane (@SethMacFarlane) October 11, 2017

As someone just said in response, "you opened the oscar's that year by forcing a famous gay men's chorus to sing "i saw your boobs""

I hate SM so much, way to use this to give yourself a pat on the back you useless unfunny fuck

"Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein."

Yeah, definitely a hard swing and not any kind of trivialization of the issue.

Everybody's just rushing to their time machines to condemn Harvey Weinstein

Except highbrow critics, who have been there since Kiarostami's Through the Olive Trees got buried.

Lmao yeah right some “hard swing”

a hard swing = what rose mcgowan has been doing for years. it’s not a fucking joke. If you want to attack someone or bring them to justice just fucking say it.

"Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein."

we can probably assume harvey weinstein found this joke titillating

Would be incredible if someone made an accusation at an awards ceremony.

that's the weakest swing at Weinstein imaginable. out of context it also twists it around to where the women are putting themselves out there, rather than having someone force himself upon them.

Otm. also, yea it would be incredible & extremely unlikely anyone would make an accusation at the Oscars. I’m saying if he actually wanted to attack HW bc he “loathed” him so much, he could’ve made a statement. like, before the story broke

How is that unlikely? Half of all moviewood is infected with this shit. This is bound to come up, despite yr Murican 'Oscars are a show don't ruin it w/ politics or sexual misdemeanor'. It will come up, if only by the 'comic' presenting it. And however bad those comics are, it should come up. It needs to be mentioned. There is no alternative.

Comic=comedian, soz

Lol im definitely not in the “keep politics out of the Oscars” camp, I’m just saying it’s highly unlikely, & certainly was in 2013

I agree this has opened the floodgates & there will be much “atoning” in a few months at the globes, Oscars, etc

I don't think he was obligated to make a direct accusation at the Oscars, particularly if Barth wasn't willing. But I don't think his joke did anything to help either.

"Police Respond To 911 Call From Harvey Weinstein's Daughter, Who Reportedly Said Her Father Was Suicidal"

http://laist.com/2017/10/11/weinstein_police_911.php

;_;

That's rough. Calling your daughter "Remy" is equally rough though tbh.

why?

Rose M. bringing receipts re: Bob Weinstein and LiLo

Anonymously sent to me. They all knew. It starts here. pic.twitter.com/24s1LRTDxk

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 11, 2017

Bob was doing it too? Or abetting Harvey? Confused

seems like he may have been abetting

🤢

The context of that email was LiLo's agent contacting her to meet w/Bob in a hotel room regarding a cameo in one of the Scream movies. The response:

Bob Weinstein is a POS. They allllll knew. pic.twitter.com/zWJZf52ywq

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 11, 2017

Please go easy on Lindsay Lohan. Being a child actor turned sex symbol twists the brain in ways you can’t comprehend.

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 11, 2017

i am so moved by the women coming forward to tell their stories

he is not just a creep he is a powerful, physically intimidating and volatile creep who is using ALL of his available faculties against women

Asia Argento’s story got to me, bc it shows the complexities of abuse and that this kind of abuse in the workplace is not only “one & done”, never again for women. You still have a life, you may still work with or for these creeps. And for those creeps the debasement & humiliation is how they *initiate* relationships. It starts with sexual abuse & harassment and CONTINUES with increased power & overtures and acting as though nothing has happened til these women are just numb and emotionally worn down like stones on the beach because it takes so much energy to be on high alert.

It is oft repeated & bears repeating always that I and millions of women have heard and/or experienced stories like this our whole life.

But to hear a story like Asia’s, or any woman’s and to to judge them as anything *other* than brave is a) mystifying & b) upsetting

just the stories about how they had to literally escape the room, it's horrifying. he's a fucking monster.

if he decides to eat a bullet I'll feel for his kids but otherwise won't shed a single tear

co-sign. he's nothing but a symbol for systemic rot but no mourning involved

No way he'll eat a bullet, though, at most he'll move to Europe and live lavishly for a long time.

yup

he's too much of a pussy to do it

not a great place we're going here

enh

I don't know that I'd even feel for his kids. Hard to imagine a person like this as any kind of decent father.

je ne regrette pas rien

i don't care about harvey weinstein's mental wellbeing but "too much of a pussy to commit suicide" is... not a thing that needs to be said in any context

all I can say is that if men ever feel kind of weird or skeevy about their own behavior around women, tell them to *ask a woman*

there were so many weird attitudes that I heard, from my peers and older men, that were just an ongoing generational misogyny

and honestly I feel like hollywood, which should not be like this (and it doesn’t excuse any behavior at all), is exactly that system.

Yeah can we please stop with the suicide BS.

The Argento story has been fucking me up.

Well guess who decided to say some things.

"I didn’t stand in Georgina’s way when we discussed a separation, I encouraged her to do what was in her heart" https://t.co/ZKLyQRNNis

— Page Six (@PageSix) October 12, 2017

You think you're gonna take her away
with your assault charges and your Rogaine

Is his crisis comms strike squad not telling him to stop talking

Emily Smith is garbage

lol he literally went to page six

There's something so disturbing about him affecting this faux-enlightened "if you love somebody set them free" attitude when he literally forcibly detained women.

it'd be helpful if everyone ignored the swine's damage control attempts

It is oft repeated & bears repeating always that I and millions of women have heard and/or experienced stories like this our whole life.
yup, thank you for saying it VG

i'd also like to promote the idea of using the word predator in lieu of creep
creep is mushy, shapeless -- no one wants to be one but it's difficult (impossible) to properly define (unless you define it as "someone who violates consent in objectifying or interacting with people" which is the way I define it)
predator is more accurate, stings harder, sticks longer, and might change the way we think about the way we interact with each other
that's my hope at least

a creep is just a delusional predator
so let's just call them predators

predator it is then

:)

fuck bret stephens forever

NYT really getting the most out of their hate read columnists these days

ok i'll stick to a few particularly stupid sentences from that column

Perhaps it should come as no surprise that an industry built around pretended characters and scenarios could have pretended for so long that nothing was amiss. Perhaps it should be no surprise, either, that its concept of ethics is every bit as ersatz and inconstant as most everything else in Tinseltown.

same thing happened at Fox News, Penn State, BBC, & the Catholic Church.

The outrage over Mr. Weinstein also has a whiff of opportunism. In recent years, notes New York magazine’s Rebecca Traister, Weinstein has “lost power in the movie industry” and is no longer “the indie mogul who could make or break an actor’s Oscar chances.” Lame horses get shot.

??... the paper you write for "shot" Weinstein. he wouldn't have been fired if not for that story and Hollywood wouldn't have abandoned him.

The important truth is that he was just another libidinous cad in a libertine culture that long ago dispensed with most notions of personal restraint and gentlemanly behavior. “I came of age in the ’60s and ’70s, when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different,” Weinstein wrote in his mea culpa to The Times last week. “That was the culture then.”

That line was roundly mocked, but it contains its truth.

no it doesn't idiot

Hyenas cannot help their own nature. But the work of a morally sentient society is to prevent them from taking over the savannah.

holy shit lmao

they might as well have given Weinstein a guest crack at the op-ed page

Weinstein accuser Rose McGowan's Twitter account suspended

fuck you twitter! there is a fucking asshole i see that tweets hate daily, try pulling his fucking account you fucks !

i thought the bar was somewhere above threatening nuclear war with North Korea

Seriously, that was my first reaction. McGowan gets temp banned for taking a stand against serial abusers, but serial abuser in chief gets a pass? Fuck twitter.

Wow, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, Twitter needs to be obliterated.

Twitter needs to be obliterated nationalized.

The AV Club OTM here:

“It’s not clear which specific one of the actress’ tweets was targeted and reported to Twitter, and was apparently so offensive that the company decided it’d be a good idea to silence a woman at the heart of an entire scandal based around women being hushed-up and ignored.”

My guess (because I think this is how it works) is that enough people aggressively flagged her that the twitter robot acted. But that is bullshit, anyway. Twitter is a bunch of craven, capricious asshole hypocrites, like the rest.

Goddamn. It happened after she said fuck you to ben Affleck it seems (link

JiC, that's my guess as well. Which is vile.

If Huff Post's reporting is correct, this is a very serious matter for NBC— and for all NBC journalists. https://t.co/pwc6XSnzKO pic.twitter.com/wZMQo9PptM

— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) October 12, 2017

Lol did he just figure out this was very serious

Also since Twitter is clearly absolute garbage why is literally everyone still using it constantly

twitter is the worst. you won't find me on there! the world must live without my tweeting.

i really hope harvey goes to jail.

twitter has its uses but it's hopelessly managed

though not looking forward to horrible courtroom coverage. with harvey in a wheelchair and a neck brace. gotta have the wheelchair and the neck brace.

From that HuffPo piece:

“Saturday Night Live” executive producer Lorne Michaels was criticized for not including any Weinstein jokes

I get the NBC entanglement but this is just silly. SNL now compelled to make specific jokes?

The fuck? If anything it would be in poor taste to include "Weinstein jokes." "Weinstein jokes" are part of the problem.

Also, this broke last Thursday. Two days isn't a lot of lead time to come up with funny women-being- raped/abused sketches.

The angle was dumb but LM's "it's a New York thing" was a predictably horrible response

Wtf @ twitter banning McGowan. they really do have shit management. It has to be that flag bot, otherwise I don’t get it - rationale for keeping her on is same as keeping Trump on: more clicks/attention

If it was a flag bot (was she getting more flags than Trump? idk), they ought to have been able to unsuspend her by now.

aside but I've been seeing a lot of people lately posting about being temp-banned from facebook for violating "community standards" for stuff like calling out racism or posting a racist flyer that they received (in order to call it out). We're basically watching AI try to learn what is offensive, and in some cases that AI is people like Mark Zuckerberg.

Probably was a lawsuit threat.

It could have even been her much-quoted tweet about her film being distributed "by my rapist." Especially with Weinstein's legal team.

Yeah that seems possible.

I'm seeing that she tweeted out some phone numbers and then deleted them?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/10/12/twitter_limits_rose_mcgowan_s_account_after_her_allegations_against_weinstein.html

Kate Beckinsale stepped forward today, said Weinstein was a bit inappropriate w/her when she was 17, then years later actually asked her if he'd done anything w/her at that time, bc he basically forgot whether or not he'd tried to assault her i guess?

damn
not surprising at all though

i'm sure most of the people who do this forget that/whether they did it or not. denial etc.
from a personal perspective, i'm pretty sure there aren't a bunch of men out there remembering me, but i sure remember them.

the classic Max Ophuls film Letter from an Unknown Woman is relevant on this point

this is maybe going to sound incredibly dumb, i'm not trying to be #notallmen or #reversepence, but these days i just don't like to hang out with a group of dudes for a night out, or a party that's all men, etc...the energy weirds me out a lot of the time. most of my friends these days all are couples and we hang out as such, but i have other male friends who will just socialize with THA BOYS and i find when i join them that the conversations just go places i'm not comfortable with a lot of the time, or the vibe is just weird, the balance is all off, etc. i don't like the "men's club" feeling. i don't know.

agree

Yeah, I totally feel you. I am generally averse to 'dude hangs', particularly 'white dude hangs'. Speaking as a white dude, no demographic is more likely to creep me out than other white dudes.

same

I think the only time I'm in that situation is at band rehearsal but we aren't all white and we aren't all male so it's only intermittently when there's just a subset of us there. idk it doesn't bother me, there's no assholes in the band lol

Just don't hang out with assholes imo.

the classic Max Ophuls film Letter from an Unknown Woman is relevant on this point

Did you see the cuts Harvey demanded?

"That's locker room."

men who feel the need to exclude women aren't usually up to anything worthwhile ime

where does the conversation go that makes you uncomfortable? i'll admit to being curious.

I mean, IDK I haven't had that experience so much. I don't hang out with anyone that much these days, but I get together with a group of guys to play music and it's mostly just talk about music, being a dad, work sucks, and maybe football in which case I tune out.

Seems like a thread derail anyway.

men who feel the need to exclude women aren't usually up to anything worthwhile ime

yeah I think this is the real issue

I really hate the idea of stag weekends

in the future they will figure out a way to lower testosterone in unborn male fetuses. or something like that. i'm an optimist! #scifireader

the company i work for has a large salesforce of mostly men . they come into the office from all over the country for training and meetings and want to go out in the City while they are here . I only went once and never again , the worst part was that most of them are married but when they come here it's like they are on some fucking weied free for all, it's horrible .

that's disgusting ^^^

it's not the testosterone -- it's the culture
we can change it if we try. y'all have kids. time to destroy the fratriarchy :)

I have a great core of friends, no assholes, but one of them keeps gravitating toward these sort of fratty activities. For example, he had his 40th birthday in Vegas, and my wife and were all, who actually does this? (So we decided not to go, since Vegas sucks - sorry, Vegas). The other week he made this half suggestion that we go back, but he added "and this time it should be just the guys!" And another friend of mine basically looked at him funny and said, "why? I like having my wife around." Which is to say I think some guys, even not assholes, sometimes get it in their head that they should do guy things in the most cliched guy way possible, and when a group of dudes, even good dudes, get that in their head, things can escalate into assholetry.

Or, like a different friend around the backyard fire pit the other night, actually take out his acoustic guitar and start strumming (and singing!) rudimentary classic rock songs. Don't do that either!

^^Harvey would have been a lot better off if he'd just done that tho.

Yeah that's my attitude to stag parties, just complete befuddlement. "A pre-wedding party, but no women allowed!" Lol what, no, that sounds fucking terrible and dumb. Where are we going, your treehouse?

The only all-male context I have in my life right now revolves around the alumni group for my all-male college chorus and even there enough of the guys are married to women that it's rare to have a meetup that is actually all male. (We do have an alumni chorus gig every two years, alternating between West Coast US and Japan, where the rehearsals are all-male but we are also in the middle of an activity so there's no real opportunity for things to go super gross.)

I will say that as a straight guy in this context, there is apparently some intragroup harassment that completely bypasses me; one issue that we've had in getting younger alums involved is apparently a core group of guys in their 60s-70s who make a habit of trying to prey on anyone under 30 who shows up. I knew nothing about this until one of my friends told me some stories about rescue missions he and his partner have gone on to keep things above board.

xp: lol, my wife had her 40th in Vegas, as did one of the guys I mentioned who was cockblocking old predators on the last alumni chorus trip.

"we can change it if we try. y'all have kids. time to destroy the fratriarchy"

my kids were lucky enough to go to a really kind/loving/progressive school during their formative years and it totally helped form them in a really positive way. they are very quick to cry foul if they see/hear anything unfair/sexist/racist. not everyone gets that opportunity. i wish i'd had that!

a core group of guys in their 60s-70s who make a habit of trying to prey on anyone under 30 who shows up.

as someone who used to attend an LGBT church (overwhelmingly white men), this is not an unfamiliar phenomenon to me

I wholly reject the notion that ending toxic masculinity requires men not hanging out in groups together, that seems silly. I've had great groups of male friends where no such toxicity existed. But I'm all for ending what-happens-in-vegas style weekends and frat culture and the like. And there is definitely something to the idea that "good" guys will feel pressured to act in a certain guy way when in these situations. I was at an all-guy work dinner recently that got very close to crossing some lines, but thankfully a senior mgmt guy read the situation and was like "Ok, it's time to go."

so happy i don't know what a "stag party" is and have to guess

and yeah i have/have had a lot of friends who are extremely "the boys" mentality. i.e. daydrinking & playing Xbox & doing blow. shit is dark. it's so stupid

La Lechera -- i guess it's that the conversations turn towards talking about women a lot or relationships in a way that feels a bit retrograde, there's always going to be a bit of that type of flirting w/servers that makes me feel like i'm with a bunch of embarrassing uncles, and it feels kind of gloomy for some reason in a very existential dude way. i can't really explain that latter part, it's more an overall feeling i have. that's probably not a great answer.

it differs from other friends where the couples will hang out and it's just fun and easy and no one has any hangups about the lack of dude nights in that particular circle. though there are times when i'll go hang out with one of those dudes. we just don't get all together as a group to visit the secret world of men, away from the women!

we have a son, and his two oldest friends are girls. and i think that's been more helpful than any advice i could give him. i think he's weirded out by dude energy too, maybe. it's good to err on the side of caution!

as someone who used to attend an LGBT church (overwhelmingly white men), this is not an unfamiliar phenomenon to me

As someone who used to host trivia in the only gay bar in town that attracted a 55+ clientele, me neither. The difference here, though, is that these men were not in positions of power, comparatively speaking. Not excusing, just observing.

Stag party = bachelor party. If they don't have those where you are, hopefully you can guess from "pre-wedding party for men" xp

xxxxp yeah man alive otm, ya gotta call em as ya see em. Shit is pretty widespread though. I didn't go to college, but a lot of the friends I was referring to above went to art school. "the boys" / frat mentality extends way beyond actual frats.

I wholly reject the notion that ending toxic masculinity requires men not hanging out in groups together, that seems silly. I've had great groups of male friends where no such toxicity existed. But I'm all for ending what-happens-in-vegas style weekends and frat culture and the like. And there is definitely something to the idea that "good" guys will feel pressured to act in a certain guy way when in these situations. I was at an all-guy work dinner recently that got very close to crossing some lines, but thankfully a senior mgmt guy read the situation and was like "Ok, it's time to go."

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:04 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for the record i'm not suggesting that but then again if men really never hung out in groups that were exclusively men...hmm

I feel you, man alive, inasmuch as I have male friends (that I've known 15-20 years and who can comfortably hang out with like my mom) I can chill with as a group of just guys, so I don't condemn the practice in and of itself as much as I personally generally avoid it because the majority of my creepiest hangs have been dude-exclusive.

The difference here, though, is that these men were not in positions of power, comparatively speaking. Not excusing, just observing.

A detail I'm leaving out is that the people I'm talking about are all on the board of our alumni organization.

There’s also work-related male hangouts before or after meetings where the women who don’t go/aren’t invited are not given career breaks or don’t get bondy face time with superiors.

This should probably be a separate thread, huh.

There's no "power" per se as far as other alumni are concerned but we do make decisions that affect the current students' abilities to tour, etc.

yeah, where can we move this discussion?

some kind of NO GIRLS clubhouse

Rolling Tree House Thread 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7uzgOdO0lw

?!?!

"the boys" / frat mentality extends way beyond actual frats.
otm
i foolishly thought if i stayed away from broey fratty people, i could escape it. wrong!

yea i agree w/ man alive. probably a better thread for all this btw but whatever

i was extremely averse to all-male situations after going to a boys' catholic high school which was frequently toxic, homophobic, misogynist, crude, awful. after that experience, when i went to college i sought out friendships mostly with women, and i now work in a profession that is 80% women.

but eventually i've found great value in cultivating close, intimate friendships with other men and that sometimes that intimacy can be facilitated by male-only environments. they don't have to be toxic.

in the past decade, i've been part of a few all-male things, all of which have been super healthy, positive, and rewarding, and have never gone into that kind of toxic gross shit mentioned itt: 1) a men's group to talk about healthy sexuality in the context of being a man; 2) a regular "dad's night out" for special needs dads (mostly autism parents) organized by a local autism/special needs non-profit; 3) a regular friday night group w/ some of my childhood male friends, mostly we talk about music, politics, food, art, film, sex too but ime some men are able to talk about sex without being fratty creeps.

though i have talked to male friends and family members that work in male-dominated professions and tbh it sounds fucking horrible

Rolling No Girls Allowed Treehouse Thread (All Gender Identities Welcome)

that's exactly what bob pollard said
"no girls in the treehouse"

I could've sworn there was already some "masculinity" thread

i would like to add, perhaps relevant to this thread, that my bad-vibes groups are men who work in the entertainment industry. not all of them are these bad dudes, most are not, but the conversations which wind up occurring are often...not the greatest.

there's a few xp

plus like...... most of ilx sadly

lol, my wife had her 40th in Vegas

Ha! Well, women do their own shit in groups, but defending this from afar, I doubt large groups of women get together and turn into assholes the way men often do. Or at least certainly not the same way.

I doubt large groups of women get together and turn into assholes

lol sometimes I think there is nothing more terrifying than a gang of 10yo girls, the level of real emotional cruelty can just be insane

we're wandering rather far afield here...

(ftr my wife made me go to Vegas with her for her 30th birthday - it was just us though. also I hated almost every second of it apart from the Star Trek experience thing)

Don't get me started on kids.

BTW, per "locker room," back when the Access Hollywood tapes came out, the same friend who was anti-"dudes only!" in Vegas didn't defend Trump but did observe that the shit he was saying wasn't that different from the shit any one of us (guys) might say in private. My first thought was, not me! But my second thought was that I at least understood what he was talking about. One man's ironic quip ...

The last time I was in Vegas, for a wedding (bride was from Vegas), was actually fine, but after that my wife and I basically breathed a sigh that we would never have to go to Vegas again.

Rolling Maleness and Masculinity Discussion Thread

Bourdain is ready to kill someone i think, he has been going hard after Weinstein and wants to also nail those who helped him along the way. Meanwhile there are a lot of people on his twitter feed going after him for not speaking up sooner (or speaking up about things like CNN hiring Lewandowski, or because he had Nugent on his show.) I mean i guess?? considering his gf was raped by Harvey Weinstein i'd personally be willing to let all that slide or not even think about it!

wait waht who is Bourdain's gf now? (I know he separated from his wife awhile ago)

I work in teh cyberz, I'm fucked if I can't get along with a room full of white dudes around my age.

Asia Argento xp

enjoyed reading a bunch of ilm posters say how uncomfortable they were in overly-male spaces

lol

LOOOOOOOL
me too

I didn't know Anthony Bourdain is married to Asia Argento! That explains a lot.

sorry gf

xposts Yes, I recognize the irony of that discussion, but ILX is as butch as it gets for me. And I wish lots more non-dudes posted here.

Bourdain is ready to kill someone i think, he has been going hard after Weinstein and wants to also nail those who helped him along the way. Meanwhile there are a lot of people on his twitter feed going after him for not speaking up sooner (or speaking up about things like CNN hiring Lewandowski, or because he had Nugent on his show.) I mean i guess?? considering his gf was raped by Harvey Weinstein i'd personally be willing to let all that slide or not even think about it!

― nomar, Thursday, 12 October 2017 17:48 (forty-three minutes ago) Permalink

Well yeah, and I also think you have to defer to the victim on whether to speak out or not, no?

Like if it happened to someone I know, I don't think they would want me coming forward without their approval?

if she is his gf, i'd imagine he has her approval? i agree it's kind of embarrassing but a few short years ago people were still using the term save-a-__ when men stood up against piggish behavior so every bit of progress helps.

i am not a dude fyi for anyone unclear

i've long cherished the black and white blankness of ilx as a place i can exist without having to announce that but i felt it was worth noting under these circumstances

No I mean in re the people criticizing him for not speaking out sooner. I assume if his wife said "please speak out about this" sooner he would have?

oh ok
i don't follow the criticism of the criticism -- that's too much for me to follow. i only have energy to fight the real enemy and that is not "the timing of anthony bourdain".

Yes, your presence as a non-dude ILXor is def noted and valued, LL.

And I wish lots more non-dudes posted here.

They did. Oddly enough, a number of them got a lot of shit and felt like they needed to leave.

100% agree, i think i mentioned how jessica chastain on twitter said she had known about Weinstein for years and warned other women in the industry to steer clear. someone (of course they did, bc it's twitter) went after her for not coming forward and she said it was up to them to step forward or give permission to talk about it.

A spokesperson from Twitter confirms that it put limits on McGowan's account because she tweeted a phone number:

We have been in touch with Ms. McGowan's team. We want to explain that her account was temporarily locked because one of her Tweets included a private phone number, which violates of our Terms of Service. The Tweet was removed and her account has been unlocked. We will be clearer about these policies and decisions in the future.

save-a-__

wait, what is this LL?

jessica chastain otm

__ = ho iirc? sometimes replaced with another word but i thought that was the original usage.

check out E-40 discography

smh that the ilx goons haven't done enough to put everyone on game to forty water by now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7vQSPBtwyc

They did. Oddly enough, a number of them got a lot of shit and felt like they needed to leave.

yah looking back on the noize dude era of the board is something i look back on and regret being apart of regularly

Meantime, Ms. McGowan to Twitter

when will nuclear war violate your terms of service? https://t.co/72FiiyoZ59

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 12, 2017

thought is was captain save-a-luna

i think it's great that behind the scenes in Hollywood you had all these women banding together to help each other out and steer each other clear of a predator, though obviously not as great as the scenario where a predator was never allowed to roam free and enlist all kinds of help to cover up his crimes.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: people should never forget the names of those in the media who helped smear Weinstein's accusers. god knows how many of these women chose not to step forward because of the attacks in the press.

smh that the ilx goons

ilx goons are an echo chamber

re: the Kate Beckinsale story, this is the full one:

I was called to meet Harvey Weinstein at the Savoy Hotel when I was 17. I assumed it would be in a conference room which was very common.When I arrived ,reception told me to go to his room . He opened the door in his bathrobe . I was incredibly naive and young and it did not cross my mind that this older ,unattractive man would expect me to have any sexual interest in him .After declining alcohol and announcing that I had school in the morning I left ,uneasy but unscathed.A few years later he asked me if he had tried anything with me in that first meeting .I realized he couldn't remember if he had assaulted me or not .I had what I thought were boundaries - I said no to him professionally many times over the years-some of which ended up with him screaming at me calling me a cunt and making threats, some of which made him laughingly tell people oh "Kate lives to say no to me ." It speaks to the status quo in this business that I was aware that standing up for myself and saying no to things,while it did allow me to feel uncompromised in myself,undoubtedly harmed my career and was never something I felt supported by anyone other than my family.I would like to applaud the women who have come forward , and to pledge that we can from this create a new paradigm where producers,managers,executives and assistants and everyone who has in the past shrugged and said " well, that's just Harvey /Mr X/insert name here " will realize that we in numbers can affect real change.For every moment like this there have been thousands where a vulnerable person has confided outrageous unprofessional behavior and found they have no recourse, due to an atmosphere of fear that it seems almost everyone has been living in .I had a male friend who, based on my experience,warned a young actress who said she was going to dinner with Harvey to be careful. He received a phone call the next day saying he would never work in another Miramax film ;the girl was already sleeping with Harvey and had told him that my friend had warned her off.Let's stop allowing our young women to be sexual cannon fodder,and let's remember that Harvey is an emblem of a system that is sick,and that we have work to do.

she never did work on a Harvey Weinstein production afaict, with the sole exception of The Aviator (like Brad Pitt w/Tarantino, maybe bc she wouldn't have to deal with him, or inversely maybe because he couldn't tell Scorsese not to hire here?)

I had a male friend who, based on my experience,warned a young actress who said she was going to dinner with Harvey to be careful. He received a phone call the next day saying he would never work in another Miramax film ;the girl was already sleeping with Harvey and had told him that my friend had warned her off.

JFC, "hey I know I fucked up but those were different times, it was totally normal for people to blacklist anyone who interfered with their habitual rape back then"

like the complete bullshit of his "apology" just becomes more and more disturbing with every detail I read. "Aw shucks I guess I'll talk to a therapist and donate some money for gun control."

his half-assed video apology today (to a camera crew):

Harvey Weinstein, in his first public response since multiple women accused him of sexual misconduct, said “we all make mistakes."

“Guys, I’m not doing OK, but I’m trying,” Weinstein told reporters on Wednesday as he entered an SUV parked outside his daughter’s Los Angeles home.

“I got to get help,” the former film executive said.

“A second chance, I hope,” Weinstein, 65, added.

...what

.@PageSixEmily says Weinstein told her he'll be back in a year w/new financial backing & winning Oscars againhttps://t.co/0H4eMlW3Qr

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) October 12, 2017

He’s not sorry - he’s just sorry he got caught.

Otm.

Emily Smith, ever so slightly trying to dodge her complicity there

my feeling is that it’s not enough to cut at W himself.
it’s good, and the outpouring is incredible...but i want to see someone cut at the support network. name those other names of the ppl who operate solely on the knowledge that they will never be named... get those floodlights into EVERY dark unknowable corner, not just where the ogre lives

it’ll never happen but it should. don’t just chop down the tree. dig up the roots, burn the ground & salt the earth

Honestly getting sick of people deflecting to Trump in the responses to this. Trump didn't invent sexual assault, and yeah I get the point that it says something that a man like that can become president, but there are a lot of other predators out there.

VG otmfm. SO MANY MOTHERFUCKERS not only had firsthand knowledge of the shit as it happened, but actively and knowingly facilitated (and ultimately encouraged) it.

i'm still in a righteous fury about all of those NY Post hacks who put their names on those hit pieces. name and shame them all, never forget!!

this story pisses me off so much. fuck the career hacks. fuck NBC. fuck Batman, what a piece of shit enabler. fuck Twitter too obv but i always felt that way. it was weird as heck when one year every news channel suddenly decided, oh yeah, this is news now, let's ask what HobbitFan420 thinks of the Syrian invasion.

Rose McGowan is my new hero. she deserves to be Batman more than that lying piece of shit.

this whole thing sucks but it's also good to be able to have this stuff out in the open, now it is public knowledge, these scumbags can't hide anymore. predatory misogyny has gone on for a loooong time, shielded by so many systems and power structures, all over the world. we are seeing the cracks in that facade. burn it to the ground.

Affleck has always been bro culture boiled down into single man form.

it's part of why he was perfect as Old Asshole Batman

not defending him on this issue, but he did attack Bill maher and that other guy for being anti-Muslim on Maher's show

More from Rose McGowan.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/rose-mcgowan-says-harvey-weinstein-raped-her.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s1

figured that was a foregone conclusion

i mean, she basically already said that when she said "my ex sold my movie to my rapist"

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— Ryan Gosling (@RyanGosling) October 12, 2017

you could at least do us the courtesy of saying our names https://t.co/IJEBkdopHV

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 12, 2017