Museum of Creationism

they'll be coming from the Midwest in droves.

Actually, that may have been the last pope. I looked it up when Ratzinger got in, but my memory's buggered.

What on earth would actually go into a museum of creationism anyway? An copy of Genesis on a pedestal? Seems like it would be a lot emptier than the museums with the huge cool dinosaur skeletons in them?

-- Am0n (loggedou...), May 24th, 2005 11:51 AM. (later)

I'm not sure what you consider to be "the Midwest," but I doubt that anyone will be coming in droves. To the best of my knowledge, the people who actually buy into this super fundamental "people rode dinosaurs" stuff are few and far between, even in the Midwest, where, you know, everybody likes burning books and chewing on bones.

http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalskullmh.jpg

This is a part of the remains of a man suffering from the extremely rare condition orthocritosis, or "clear bones." This occurs when the calcium in the bone matter is produced at as much as five hundred times its normal density, producing a clear, hard substance instead of normal bone. These glass-like bones break easily, and the victim of the disease is usually confined to bed.

then how did they go extinct?

http://www.wax-museum.com/

pretty amusing even if you're not a huge fan.
m.

Better yet, a Children's Museum of Lies: they could have YOU WERE ADOPTED and YOU TOTALLY CAN GET PREGNANT THAT WAY exhibits, even.

Yeah, we really should burn them both down.

man, i wonder if they show god taking adam's rib out and making eve? creepy.

seems like a creation museum would be better played out as a zoo maybe... or a tour to natural wonders and stuff.

bullshit money making schemes.
m.

-- Am0n (loggedou...), May 24th, 2005 11:51 AM. (later)

I'm not sure what you consider to be "the Midwest," but I doubt that anyone will be coming in droves. To the best of my knowledge, the people who actually buy into this super fundamental "people rode dinosaurs" stuff are few and far between, even in the Midwest, where, you know, everybody likes burning books and chewing on bones.

-- kirsten (kickyouintheshin...), May 24th, 2005 4:48 PM.

it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.
it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.
it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.
it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.
it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.
it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.
it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

(a) cain killing abel
(b) all of the hot man-on-man action in sodom
(c) lot schtupping his daughters
(d) joshua killing lotsa motherfuckers!

-- Michael Daddino (epicharmu...), May 24th, 2005 7:11 AM. (epicharmus) (later)

I totally wanna do this as a comic strip now.

(e) that crazy bit where Onan slips it out and God kills him for staining the carpet.

A father was reading Bible stories to his young son. He read, "The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city, but his wife looked back and was turned to salt." His son asked, "What happened to the flea?"

-- Amon (masses7...), May 24th, 2005 5:58 PM. (later)

Maybe not "touchy," exactly, since most of us don't actually care what East or West coast elitists think, but I will say it's a bit tiring being stereotyped as Bible-thumping, science-hating, creation-museum-flooding overweight and underread people who think calzones are exotic. I realize this rant has little to do with this thread in general, but...please.

yes, i'm so elitist. look at me, i live on the edge of a continent. i look down my nose at the landlocked.

"A 250-acre replica of the Holy Land and Bible Lands in Israel, Syria and Jordan. Nature sanctuary open all year round.  Primitive lodging, wagon tours and hiking tours.  No admission fee; nominal fee for wagon rides.  We are supported only through contributions."

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history -- and believing that you can trust the Bible."

He's Australian. Figures. There's no way he would have been able to start this thing in Australia, I can guarantee you now, it would be regarded as a complete joke.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

The movement desperately needs the imprint of science to legitimize itself. It achieves this imprint by discrediting real science and claiming creationist science as true science. All attempts to argue the creationists out of their mythical belief, to persuade them with logic, evidence, scientific inquiry and fact, will fail. They have created a “fundamentalist science.” They know they cannot return to the pre-Darwinian innocence that let them believe the Bible alone was enough. They need, in the midst of their flight from reality, to reassure their followers that science, science not contaminated by secular humanists and nonbelievers, is on their side. In this they are a distinctly modern movement. They seek the imprint of science and scholarship to legitimize myth...

Let's go visit the Museum!, and see all the white people in ancient mesopotamia!

Early in the museum, the visitor is given advice on the proper mind frame to have for your visit: “Don’t think, just listen and believe”. As you can see in the picture below, Human Reason is the enemy and God’s Word is the hero. Descartes represents Human Reason, saying “I think, therefore I am”. But God tells us there no need to waste your beautiful mind, for God says “I am that I am”.

mutations (mistakes)

whoa whoa wow wow the thing about the torah scrolls and Saddam waht

also Behe's latest is hilarious apparently

The Bible claims that God created animals "after their kind." Nineteenth-century biologists argued that animals evolved from other, very different animals. Today, biology confirms that creatures reproduce within their own kind.

New efforts to attack God's Word regularly appear, such as The DaVinci Code, but their popularity is temporary.

Great post, funny photos!

But much of the tone of the copy at the museum tips their hand, i think, that this had jack shit to do with actual religion or faith systems, and FAR more to do with people having an allergic reaction to modernism and how shitty life in America is for a lot of people.

Today, biology confirms that creatures reproduce within their own kind.

what the fuck, biology, i thought you were on OUR side!?!

If I go to Terrastock next year, I may have to make a side trip to this place for yuks.

"I am that I am?" The godhead is some sort of omnipotent Popeye?

If I go to Terrastock next year

:-) That would be cool, I'd say!

might as well stick this here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/Tratkos/noah.jpg

AHAHAHA!

ROFL. They really do put the fun back into fundamentalism, don't they?

Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "Christian dinosaur porn". (0.23 seconds)

Well I'll be damned.

Christian dinosaur pornographers: putting the mentalism into fundamentalism.

the graphic is from SA.

also, here's Jerry Coyne's review of the new Behe book in the latest TNR:

What has Behe now found to resurrect his campaign for ID? It's rather pathetic, really. Basically, he now admits that almost the entire edifice of evolutionary theory is true: evolution, natural selection, common ancestry. His one novel claim is that the genetic variation that fuels natural selection--mutation--is produced not by random changes in DNA, as evolutionists maintain, but by an Intelligent Designer. That is, he sees God as the Great Mutator.

Ars Technica visits the museum!

http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/400/startingpoints2-1.jpg

so, like, 90% of this museum's patrons have blogs, right?

Almost!

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

spaceballed

wha happened

non-linkable/non-downloadable image - I think it's an option you can select in flickr

that's annoying! ok it's this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yacht/1285595613/in/photostream/

"I wish we were going to Candy Apple Island."

haha! i wonder what on earth that is supposed to teach people.

also, one of my friends told me admission is $20 - she was going to go out of curiosity but didn't want to spend that much in support of it.

perfect job for jw...

The Answers in Genesis Department of IT Services is currently seeking an Application Developer to assist in the development and support of software applications for internal use, to the end that God may be glorified as His work at His ministry is advanced through the appropriate and efficient use of such applications.

Key responsibilities

* Gather and analyze user requirements, encode, test, debug, document, enhance, support, and provide training for internally-developed software for the ministry.
* Provide integration between both internally-developed and third-party software systems.
* Support staff in using existing software most efficiently; this may include formal and informal training opportunities, setting up configuration, developing macros, etc.

Technologies

Applicants should be comfortable developing in and understanding best development practices for the following technologies and architectures:

* Microsoft .Net framework 1.1 and 2.0 (C# language preferred), including Windows forms, ASP.net (including web services), and Windows services
* Microsoft SQL Server 2000, including a solid understanding of writing efficient T-SQL queries
* N-tier architecture
* Application security
* Microsoft Office, in particular Word, Excel, and Access

Education, experience, and maturity

* Bachelors’ degree or equivalent experience in computer, mathematics, or engineering discipline.
* Three or more years experience in application development.
* Proven firmness in one’s walk with Christ evident through a personal life that is above reproach. – A servant with a heart that works diligently and seeks to defer praise to God and others.

Items needed for possible employment

* Resume
* Salvation testimony
* Creation belief statement
* Confirmation of your agreement with the AiG Statement of Faith

Please send, with cover letter, to:
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This is a part of the remains of a man suffering from the extremely rare condition orthocritosis, or "clear bones." This occurs when the calcium in the bone matter is produced at as much as five hundred times its normal density, producing a clear, hard substance instead of normal bone. These glass-like bones break easily, and the victim of the disease is usually confined to bed.

-- slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:04 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

Number of google results for Orthocritosis, which I thought sounds so real it HAS to exist: zero. Well done!

They don't believe in dinosaurs but they're happy to wiffle around with their N-tier architectures and T-SQL querires!

Strangely enough, the theory that "It all happens by magic" successfully explains all known phenomenon, without any troublesome requirements for gathering evidence, comparing it, or even thinking about anything. That sort of convenience is hard to beat.

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CIqXoqWA97KWKBB4GMIEMghs0gJVG2nL_w

is that on a creationist tip or more of a bell curve/the ladies like the rape angle?

I am so tired of Big Science and their pro-science agenda. They're even worse than Big Oil and Big Homosexuality.

well I never was a clear eyes customer anyway
gff why are you so allergic to wikipedia

haha sonned

Stein's book titles to date (7 fiction, 20 nonfiction) include:
Year Title ISBN
1978 DREEMZ
On the Brink: A Novel ISBN 0-345-27650-7
1979 The View from Sunset Boulevard: America as brought to you by the people who make television
1982 Ludes
1985 Financial Passages
1986 Her Only Sin ISBN 0-312-90636-6
1988 Hollywood Days, Hollywood Nights: the Diary of a Mad Screenwriter
1992 A License to Steal: the Untold Story of Michael Milken and the Conspiracy to Bilk the Nation ISBN 0671742728
2002 How to Ruin Your Life ISBN 1-56170-974-3
2003 How to Ruin Your Love Life ISBN 1-4019-0240-5
2004 How to Ruin Your Financial Life ISBN 1-4019-0241-3
Can America Survive? The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It ISBN 1-4019-0333-9
2005 Yes, You Can Be a Successful Income Investor: Reaching for Yield in Today's Market ISBN 1-4019-0319-3
Yes, You Can Still Retire Comfortably: The Baby-Boom Retirement Crisis and how to Beat It ISBN 1-4019-0318-5
2006 How Successful People Win: Using "Bunkhouse Logic" to Get What You Want in Life ISBN 1-56170-975-1
2007 The Real Stars: In Today's America, Who Are the True Heroes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a controversial documentary film about intelligent design. Starring Ben Stein, it is due to be released in February 2008. The film claims that intelligent design proponents are discriminated against by the scientific community, repeats the creationist claim that evolution is a belief-system rooted in dogma, and resurrects the Sternberg peer review controversy.[1]

Although not yet released, the film is being touted by Christian, pro-creationism movie sites,[2] and by organizations affiliated with the Discovery Institute, the leading promoter of the intelligent design campaign.[3][4] The DI website, Intelligent Design the Future, makes the claim that Expelled "reveals the stark truth: Darwinists have been conspiring to keep design out of classrooms, out of journals, and out of public discourse."[4]

way to sell out to the xian fundies, mr. "stein"

1982 Ludes

this is probably pretty funny

Creationist shit is supremely ignorable.

The film claims that intelligent design proponents are discriminated against by the scientific community

Jewish creationists, wtf

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/25/buckled.jpg

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/home.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

on the front page of Boing Boing at the moment:

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Crouch: That’s right.

Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.

Blehhhh. This is going to be some "these two scientists disagree on how a particular species of aardvark evolved its big toe, therefore evolution is ALL NONSENSE" thing, isn't it?

I saw in one of the comments on that youtube video some kid talking about how valid a point the fact that the earth was 'just the exact distance from the sun to support life'. That of course proves God (*sorry, intelligent design)... because those other planets without life on them don't exist? Or don't count for your study because they don't have life? Or what?

"Voodoo biology"

stein is such a cretin

Someone did sterling work adding a whole bunch of dumb-ass quotes to the Ben Stein wikiquote page:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ben_Stein

"Evolutionism, as taught by Darwinism, has nothing - nothing - to say about how life originated. Has nothing to say about how the governing principles in the universe - gravity, thermodynamics, motion, fluid motion - how any of those originated. It's...it's got some gigantic missing pieces."

what a tool

"Excuse me, sir, but this theory of biology doesn't explain physics! How do you account for that?"

Yes, [I spent] two long years, traveling all over the United States, all over Europe, interviewing many, many, many people who had been thrown out of their academic jobs because they taught that there was a possibility of life coming from something other than Darwinism, who thought that possibly random selection and mutations didn't account for the universe, didn't account for gravity, didn't account for why nobody had ever seen an individual species evolve -- no one's ever seen an individual species evolve!"

The biology professors at Pepperdine assure me that their mostly Christian students fully accept the theory of evolution. So who were these people embracing Stein's screed against science? Extras. According to Lee Kats, associate provost for research and chair of natural science at Pepperdine, "the production company paid for the use of the facility just as all other companies do that film on our campus" but that "the company was nervous that they would not have enough people in the audience so they brought in extras. Members of the audience had to sign in and a staff member reports that no more than two to three Pepperdine students were in attendance. Mr. Stein's lecture on that topic was not an event sponsored by the university."

I think the Jack Chick version of this subject is probably more entertaining.

http://www.chick.com/tractimages57494/1041/1041_11.gif

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/30/748515/-Scientists-Visit-the-Creation-Museum

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/science/30muse.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=science

http://www.physorg.com/news165555744.html

Near the entrance to the exhibits is an animatronic display that includes a girl feeding a carrot to a squirrel as two dinosaurs stand nearby...

...

Dr. Sato likened the museum to an amusement park. “I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed Disneyland,” she said.

Did she enjoy Disneyland?

“Not very much,” she said.

I've been to the creation museum in Big Valley, AB. One of their weirder theories:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l442/acrobins/aIMG_0653.jpg

sometimes dinosaurs laid eggs in strange patterns -> eggs in strange patterns may be a sign of stress -> stress may be caused by God-induced flooding of the entire planet

BRILLIANT

No no, it's a global flood. It's totally up to you to interpret whether or not this could have been the global flood.

(see also: "a catastrophic inundation")

GIVE ME JUST ONE PROOF THAT THIS ISN'T REAL

This subtle crap is so annoying.

Yesterday, zapping, I see Grizzly Man on Dutch TV. Half a second later, I notice it's on the EO, the Evangelical Broadcast Organisation.

ALL of their nature documentaries have this never-explicitly-stated "God's Nature is stronger than man" undercurrent. Not always as clear as this bear-dude-gets-killed-by-a-bear-in-the-end movie, but it's always there.

I don't know that I'd call the museum subtle!

subtly Creationist

They don't mention god at all but we all know what they mean = subtle.

OK, maybe not the museum, I'm only talking about that one plaque salsa shark posted. But I can't imagine that's the only ninja-NoGodsMentioned-ButY'AllKnowWhatWeMeanRight? example there.

http://12.media.tumblr.com/hGNNUr9IPgkr641aAOU1E9f1o1_500.jpg

lol incest

Before jumping to conclusions, realize that

1. All humans are related. So whenever
someone gets married, they marry their
relative.

omg :o

mutations (mistakes)

Charles Pierce makes special mention of this place (and the fact that the dinosaur statues have saddles on them) in his book IDIOT AMERICA.

Did Eve even give birth to daughters, though?

People who do not accept the Bible as their absolute authority have no basis for condemning someone like Cain marrying his sister.
People who do not accept the Bible as their absolute authority have no basis for condemning someone like Cain marrying his sister.
People who do not accept the Bible as their absolute authority have no basis for condemning someone like Cain marrying his sister.
People who do not accept the Bible as their absolute authority have no basis for condemning someone like Cain marrying his sister.
People who do not accept the Bible as their absolute authority have no basis for condemning someone like Cain marrying his sister.
People who do not accept the Bible as their absolute authority have no basis for condemning someone like Cain marrying his sister.

They also have no basis for condemning me for marrying my sister.

xp Oh, I guess she did. Or Adam did, at least:

After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

to each his own just don't come crying to me when ur kids come out with "mistakes"

they're hiring btw:

Armed Public Safety Officer
Reports To: Public Safety Manager
Summary and Scope:
This position is responsible for duties as they relate to the safety and security of AiG and Creation Museum guests, staff, volunteers and property. This includes, but is not limited to, standing post as assigned, patrolling exhibit galleries and building exterior, assisting in crowd control and guest relations, responding to alarms and emergencies as assigned. This is an armed position.
Duties and Responsibilities:
Must be alert at all times while standing post or performing patrol activities.
Must enforce organization and museum policies and procedures as they relate to safety, security and fire safety.
Report any situation that requires service to the museum that may affect the guest experience.
Respond to any emergency situation.
Document unusual or reported incidents.
Assist in guest relation functions.
Performs other supervisor duties as assigned.
Education and Experience Requirements:
High school diploma required (Associate or Bachelor’s degree a plus)
Five year’s security experience, preferably in a cultural property setting or relevant law enforcement and/or military experience.
Knowledge of security operations and electronic security systems.
Qualifications:
Must exhibit strong communication skills.
Must embrace the team concept.
Must have good problem solving skills and the ability to think "outside the box" for solutions.
Must have the ability to work under pressure and take charge in rapid escalating situations.
Must have good public relations and diplomatic skills.
Position requires a flexible work schedule.
Must be able to pass (initially and on-going) fitness for duty standards
Must be able to pass (initially and on-going) firearms qualification

Items needed for possible employment:
Resume
Salvation testimony
Creation belief statement
Confirmation of your agreement with the AiG Statement of Faith
Please send, with cover letter, to: HR Department.

is that shit even legal?

This is handy:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/nab/gen-lev-mutations.jpg

yeah since it's a religious business xp

shoulda gone to this place when i lived in OH ;_;

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/06/30/science/30museum-600.jpg

I keep waiting for them to break the 4th wall like in Looney Tunes.

YHWH couldn't create himself out of a paper bag.

Jesus Christ, if you're going to pick a deity to base your whole life around pick someone with some actual cosmic powers. Not a lame 'pillar of cloud'.

Ugh.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/02/scientists-tour-the.html

did we really need that boingboing link

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/science/30muse.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=science

http://www.physorg.com/news165555744.html

― am0n, Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:12 PM

http://io9.com/5330257/dinosaur-creationism-theme-park-seized-by-the-government

Stoked for DinoWaco!

my friend wrote this essay about the giant ark being built out there: http://www.oxfordamerican.org/articles/2014/jun/30/species-origins/