Defend the Indefensible: Kevin Smith

-- really the only thing that can be said in his favor.

I saw Clerks at MoMA in '94 before it had a music track and liked it; haven't seen it, or liked any of his films, since. He hits upon a nice tone or joke now and then, but can't sustain it. However, he seems like a sweet guy in Q&As -- I saw one before "Dogma" at the NY Film Fest too --so I don't wish him ill; there are more evil people making lackluster movies that make an awful lot more $$$.

"What is this Piano shit!" - Jay reacting to Alanis M as a mute God

This is kinda like the 'quote lyrics to indicate the depth' problem explained on that 10000 Maniacs thread.

That's sorta like me saying to someone else "Ha, you like MBV."

When I saw Affleck in Good Will Hunting I said, "Oh, the guy from Chasing Amy. I still wanna punch him."

4 years, 6 months, 90 minutes y'all

Morbs OTM re: MST 3000. That guy is just more deeply versed in popular culture.

yes because anyone who has fondness for stah wahz is A SWINE, A BUFFOON, A MENTALLY DEFECIENT DEFLATED TIRE OF A HUMAN BEING. WE SHALL REJOICE AND ENJOY OUR FINE WINES, CHEESES AND MARISSA MARCHANT ALBUMS. EAT POOBERRIEZ AND DRINK THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB OUR SAVIOR THE GOLF STAR TIGER WOODS, I HEAR HE HAS PROTECTION EARNED IN GOLD FROM LAST STARFIGHTING COLOR BOOK, REMEBER SOINC THE PORCUPINES HE IS GOOD TIGER PEOPLE YMCA VILLAGES OF THE DAMNED PEOPLE BURN BURN STRUT YOUR STUFF LIKE A

(xp)

-- M. White (deir...), August 9th, 2005.

yeah, thats from the 'evening with kevin smith' thing. hes actually really funny in that, especially when talking about his encounters with Prince and Jon Peters (the Batman producer).

Who taught 3 to type? Cornelius and Zira?

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How are you different from that?

cuz I get tired of the same old jokes about the same old shit, especially when they weren't that funny to begin with? Broaden yr horizons, man! Or if yr gonna keep 'em narrow at least pick more interesting, unusual ones. Really, all his Star Wars refs are so unforgivable just because they're so goddamn lazy and obvious and pointless.

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(xpost) Shakey Mo -- I read that 'lesbian conversion' (at the time) as being the whole problem with the relationship: that Affleck thought he could convert Alyssa, and because she was an equally self-unaware person, she was willing to let him try it in spite of its non-truth. Like the two of them were so desperate for affection they attempted to ignore the logical fallacies of their pairing. But I admit I may have projected a lot of that.

(xp to ryan)

OK, he hadn't read a book since he was 16. Jesus, another Kevin Smith thread -- I'm off to see a Renoir film followed by a bartender and suggest you do the same.

Chasing Amy was so obviously a movie written by someone unfamiliar with lesbians (turns out he'd met some, like, the week before he wrote it).

I don't think you can blame him for his limited experience: it's a very personal movie that's unfortunately brought down by a kinda cheap gimmick. But that doesn't render the whole truth of the thing invalid.

Chasing Amy is the only good Smith movie, but there are funny lines in the rest (Clerks less so). Usually just enough funny to make it worth sitting through the movie.

Kevin Smith films will age about as well as Wheeler and Woolsey's (but theirs were funnier to begin with).

Ditto Kevin Smith the comix fan.

Back in '94, CLERKS struck me as a sweet and often clever reminder of just how much one can accomplish with $24,000 and a camera.

But, y'know, give Kevin Smith the writer-director $24K, and he'll give you $50K worth of picture. Give him $12MM... and he'll give you $50K worth of picture.

Yes, there are parts of MALLRATS that are kinda funny, but that's not even enough of a defense to justify MALLRATS, let alone Smith's subsequent career. CHASING AMY does offer charming performers, but the script is miserable - and often most so when it's trying hardest not to be, as in the interminable monologue-in-the-rain. DOGMA is, well, godawful, and all the more so when it strains for relevance. I'd rather sit through HUCKABEES again, and that's saying something.

My defense: he does seem like a humble, likeable fellow, and neither he, his movies, or his fans get in the way of my enjoyment of life. So y'know, why hate?

I might feel differently if I dropped down a rabbit hole into some Bizzaro world where I found myself surrounded by Kevin Smith fans insisting on his genius status, but since that hasn't happened yet...

3 mostly otm throughout this thread imo.

*insert joke about ex here*

(sorry, off-topic)

"People read the papers not in the hopes of learning something new, but in the expectation of being told what they already know. This is a form of living death. Its apotheosis is the daily poll in USA Today, which informs "us" what percentage of a small number of unscientifically selected people called a toll number to vote on questions that cannot possibly be responded to with a "yes" or "no."

also, "Bitch pressing charges?" and the Santa Claus/Angry Man-Hating Dyke joke.

"Before this night is through, you will taste the black sperm of my vengeance!"

picture a single column of formatted dialogue running over three or more solid pages of script. It's like the fifty-hitler post of pouring your heart out. You turn the page and he's still going.

The rain scene is long and very on the nose, which is unconventional writing. But that convention is kind of limiting and silly, and I don't think that the scene is too repetitive? I mean sure, it's a little uncomfortable to watch somebody pour their heart out so blatantly, but couldn't you make the case that it's a very essential piece of the movie?

-- 3 (...), August 9th, 2005.

it definitely had that RL Stine vibe going for it, true.

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,250 for "quirky movie" . (0.17 seconds)

Is it funny yet?

I respect where you're going with this, but I'm not sure which convention you have in mind. There's a reason that on-the-nose doesn't work very well, and there's a reason that we tend to be more comfortable with dialog (as opposed to soliloquy/self-address/other more stagey dramatic conventions) in human-sized bites (or even smaller).

I mean sure, it's a little uncomfortable to watch somebody pour their heart out so blatantly, but couldn't you make the case that it's a very essential piece of the movie?

I agree that it's an essential piece of the movie. That's why when it falls, for me, spectacularly flat, it takes a lot of the good stuff with it. I'm certain there's a scene that does what you're suggesting here well, but I don't feel that this one is it. Smith doesn't strike me as quite so artful as you suggest. If anything, he's more of a naturalist. And when the ear for the charming effluvia of "the real language of real men" on which he earns so much of his bread fails him, that on-the-nose quality stands out all the more.

(imho)

that said, many a college night was enjoyed with beer, pizza, and 'mallrats' and 'billy madison', when i wasn't out getting some/partying. make that 'many, many, many' a college night, come to think of it.to "shut the fuck up about View Askew! Tell it to the internet!"

He has one?

Yes! And it's asking a LOT of Academy Award winning screenwriter Ben Affleck to try to carry that load. Maybe Patrick Stewart...

-- 2

This explains everything.

We hit the local Borders, where I take a dump, while Jen grabs a book to take home to Harley. We shake the ‘burb dust from our sandals, and with that, we’re back on the road.

Kevin Smith has a weblog. Mallrats is fucking ace, though I haven't watched it in about six years. His columns about his weight loss and other general shit in 'Arena' were also funny as hell.

I also don't care for MST3000. And I'll take Mr. Show or Chappelle's Show over Monty Python any day of the week.

I also think the Simpson have sucked since about 1999.

The Office > All.

http://www.simpson.com.au/template/au.simpson/images/simpson_logo2.gif

Somehow I don't think I'll be lining up to see those opening night.

destroy the rest

anyhoo, i like kevin smith flicks, but i haven't seen the last two comedies again. MST3K is probably my fave show ever. The "Lando Calrissian/Black Rage" scene makes me laugh every single fucking time i see it. J & SB Strike Back was hilariosly self-indulgent. I still enjoyed it.

oh yeah, and have we discussed his "serious" movie yet? the Affleck-drama one? did anybody actually see it?

http://viewaskew.com/news/clerks2/

Vincent Gallo?

Yeah this is the key point except substitute directing skills for visual sensibility. Even people who are good actors are freakin' terrible in Kevin Smith films. It works fine if the movie is too silly to care (Mallrats, Jay and Silent Bob), but when he atempts to be serious, especially with Dogma, the results are cringe worthy.

his movies aren't funny cos the scripts have about six times as many words as they should. like listening to a very bright 12 year old tell a joke

some clues

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/7944_heading.jpg

http://wgz.8k.com/westside.jpg

http://www.wiggaz.com/pics/jayson1.jpg

some clues

No defenders of "Jersey Girl" here, I see.

KS blogged on Revenge of the Sith -- directly comparing it to Hamlet. Q-fuckin-ED!

xpost wow you really are being sort of a douchebag about this

Clerks - pretty funny small-focus comedy. Good.
Mallrats - mildly amusing mid-focus comedy. OK.
Chasing Amy - fairly awful mid-to-large-focus drama. Shitty.
Dogma - fucking incredibly shitty huge-focus comedy. Worst piece of shit movie I've ever seen.
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back - pretty funny small-to-no-focus comedy. Good.

(read "focus" as scope and seriousness of subject matter)

In summary, when Smith sticks to making dumb comedies about nothing, he succeeds in making reasonably funny movies. Whenever he tries to make a movie "about" something, it blows, with the relative level of blowosity directly correlated to how serious the subject matter is.

Can we stop talking about this now? Like for ever and ever? Thanks.

Actually I agree with you mostly, except I think Dogma is a hoot (upon second viewing at least).

There were exactly two things in Dogma that I found unnecessary and/or uninteresting and/or unfunny, and those were A) the shit demon, and B) the Muse As A Stripper.

*(and I guess there was that other one too with Aragorn's bitch up in it or whatever)

god, he sucks rocks

I've still not seen DWMC and maybe never will, but I assume it only covers about a fifth of the mandate that Smith operates under.

This is an incredibly well-reasoned and not-at-all-arbitrarily-elitist/canonical argument. Well played.

so my wife made me sit through Zack and Miri Make a Porno the other night (she thought Rogen + Elizabeth Banks + filthy subject matter was a surefire hit and I was not at the video store to dissuade her otherwise)

what a movie.

(of the awful variety)

its aight. gets less funny as it goes on.

what a dumb-ass movie

craig robinson is always funny though

Hmm. This is sitting at home in a Netflix envelope right now. I'm morbidly curious, especially after listening to Smith's podcast where he sounded genuinely broken-hearted that this thing flopped.

I laughed twice...? three times maybe? The sex scene between Banks and Rogen is just so horrible on so many levels - it isn't believable, it aims for totally undeserved emotional impact, its creepy, its ugly, its just... ugh wrong.

also there are Star Wars jokes (can Kevin Smith even make a movie without referencing Star Wars?)

its terrible. my wife hated it too.

the black guy (is that Craig Robinson?) was the only funny/remotely believable thing in this movie

i like most of the elements involved (elizabeth banks was funny in wet hot american summer for ex.), but how does dude just get worse and worse when writing about relationships?

If he's indefensible why did you rent it, Shakey? Once bitten, etc. . .

my wife went to the video store without me (I was home sick) - she was not really aware of who Kevin Smith is or what he's done

i didnt really think this was THAT bad

it would have been a thousand times better if apatow or wain or someone else had directed it

totally, esp. since he was basically jacking the apatow regulars.

jason mewes was funny too.

it drives me insane that the 'cult comedies' category on Netflix is something like 30% Kevin Smith movies

she was not really aware of who Kevin Smith is or what he's done

― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 12:28 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wtf is this? did you mail order her from estonia or something? what kind of woman married to a smack-talking opinionated hipster like yourself wouldnt hate kevin smith already??

Hah my question is if she wasn't aware of Kevin Smith or what he's done then why would she grab "Zack and Mirri Make A Porno"?!?!?

(she thought Rogen + Elizabeth Banks + filthy subject matter was a surefire hit and I was not at the video store to dissuade her otherwise)

― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 12:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so she knows seth rogen and elizabeth banks but has never heard of one of the highest-profile comedy directors of the 90s

ethan didn't you hear, netflix considers kevin smith movies 'cult comedies'

fyi Knocked Up had about 5 times the box office gross of Kevin Smith's biggest movies

worst comedy of 2008.

zack and miri, that is. not knocked up. which wasn't 2008. ya'll would have worked it out i'm sure.

fyi Knocked Up had about 5 times the box office gross of Kevin Smith's biggest movies

― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well yeah im sure madagascar 2: back 2 africa made like 30 times as much as office space but i think itd be weird if shakey mo's wife had never heard of office space

worst comedy of 2008.

― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:53 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no way. even if i hadn't liked this, nothing will ever be worse than 'strange wilderness'.

i think it would be weird if slocki had never seen office space.

for real shipley i know your wifey isnt as music-nerded up as you but throwing box office out the window how do you make it to adulthood in the 90s without knowing who kevin smith is? even my mom owns a vhs of dogma

so she knows seth rogen and elizabeth banks but has never heard of one of the highest-profile comedy directors of the 90s

― [.]'s kids (and what), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:49 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So maybe she likes Kung Fu Panda and Spiderman and didn't have time to learn nerds' names in the 1990s. Sounds like Shakey Mo's got a catch.

Or she's 14.

I mean, no offence, but Occam's Razor.

i one day dream of meeting someone to grow old with, someone who doesn't know who kevin smith is, someone who will talk about raping and torturing tv chefs with me

Still haven't seen Zac and Miri but I never realized that there was so much Kevin Smith hate. Yeah, 1/2 his movies are shit but the other half are pretty great. WKIW him and Jason Mewes in a heartbeat.

lol @ e's dealbreaker "you don't know who kevin smith is? gtfo!"

I'm sorry you're lonely ethan

my wife (and myself) have been fans of Rogen and Apatow et al since Freaks and Geeks.

agreed that star wars references have been done to death by family guy, robot chicken, adam & joe and kevin smith... but was anyone really referencing star wars in the same way before clerks? it's easy in hindisght to dismiss that film but to give him a bit of credit, he made the film on his lunch break and basically had to beg borrow and steal to make it. i think in '94 (or whenever it was), the idea of early-20s dorks chattin breeze about star wars on film was pretty new. pulp fiction did that "let's just have an amusing conversation for no real reason" thing a bit later on and it was seen as pretty leftfield.

So maybe she likes Kung Fu Panda and Spiderman and didn't have time to learn nerds' names in the 1990s.

hmm nah she pretty much hates all cgi animation. not really a fan of comics either, altho she does really like the new Batman movies. And Grant Morrison.

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that's fine grozart but i think he's run out of clerks-based goodwill by now

ulp fiction did that "let's just have an amusing conversation for no real reason" thing a bit later on and it was seen as pretty leftfield.

Reservoir Dogs Madonna covo is '92. Clerks is '94.

convo

dogg its not a dealbreaker its just what happened? i am confused - if i met a girl in her late 20s/early 30s who didnt know who condi rice was or who had never heard of "showgirls" its not a thang but... how

haha wait how old do you think I am??

i dunno... 60?

points for equating Kevin Smith with Condi Rice tho

I think you're overestimating Kevin Smith's ubiquity with the female population

flawed analogies you yourself invented to explain concepts/win arguments

i know a lot of girls who think he's a+ hilare and a lot who think he's just ok and a lot who think he's a sexist unfunny jerk but i couldnt name one that doesnt know who he is

agreed that star wars references have been done to death by family guy, robot chicken, adam & joe and kevin smith... but was anyone really referencing star wars in the same way before clerks? it's easy in hindisght to dismiss that film but to give him a bit of credit, he made the film on his lunch break and basically had to beg borrow and steal to make it. i think in '94 (or whenever it was), the idea of early-20s dorks chattin breeze about star wars on film was pretty new. pulp fiction did that "let's just have an amusing conversation for no real reason" thing a bit later on and it was seen as pretty leftfield.

― the next grozart, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's not the Clerks was 1st on the referencing Star Wars train, it was just early on the infantilized Gen X yearning for yesteryear nerd nostalgia shit.

imo one of the best things about Venture Bros. is the self-imposed moratorium on Star Wars references (which even they can't help breaking now and again, but still).

ethan knows girls?

"i know a lot of girls who think he's a+ hilare and a lot who think he's just ok and a lot who think he's a sexist unfunny jerk but i couldnt name one that doesnt know who he is"

Ethan we all know you only know three girls so stop saying "a lot".

none as yum-o as yours, i'm sure

I think you're overestimating Kevin Smith's ubiquity with the female population

― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:16 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark

I don't know. I'm 31 and I think I'd be suspect of anyone within five years of my age who didn't know who Kevin Smith was. I mean I'm sure they're out there but i think I'd find it weird and be suspicious about their awareness of pop culture from then on.

I know plenty of people who don't give a shit who Kevin Smith is.

Giving a shit is one thing. I'm talking about knowing who he is at all.

this isnt about not giving a shit who kevin smith is its about renting kevin smith movies even if your husband hates kevin smith because you dont know who kevin smith even IS

wtf is that

Plenty in this case, probably = about the same # of women Ethan "knows", but still. Some people don't care about names on movies.

Yeah srs. You guys need to realize that there are people who don't give a shit about stuff like this. And they are called "MOST PEOPLE"

look this is ilx and i know we're all self-cuttingly ashamed of our deep pop culture obsession bullshit oand secretly long for some eden where nobody has ever heard about kevin smith and coldplay and every other embarrassing thing we've spent days of our life cringing at on here but the fact of the matter is not knowing about shit is not a badge of honor

Yeah srs. You guys need to realize that there are people who don't give a shit about stuff like this. And they are called "MOST PEOPLE"

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:22 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont buy it

I'm sure my girlfriend has probably seen Clerks or Dogma at some point in her life, but wouldn't know what the director's name was.

xxxpIn this case esp. since not knowing resulted in seeing a Kevin Smith movie.

Just because we talk with other aspie shutins on the internet all day doesn't mean there's not 700000 times as many people running around outside enjoying life who don't give a shit about Kevin Smith or Paul Thomas Anderson or whatever. This is exactly why people waste votes on Ron Paul

my ladyfriend told me over the weekend that she hadn't seen coming to america or the princess bride

for real this is some frank kogan putting-14-yr-olds-on-your-myspace-because-you're-tired-of-only-talking-to-other-aging-rock-critics shit - pretend we're the only special obesseive nerds who know who kevin smith is and out there is a virgin, unspoiled world of "most people" but shit doesnt fly

what is this "lol ethan doesn't know girls you're just a guy on a message board" thing about? i mean that's even dumber than "lol an adult woman who hasn't heard of kevin smith!?"

MOST PPL is usually my mom.

"man he is funny as fuck"

i do not wanna have the sex you are having dude

my ladyfriend told me over the weekend that she hadn't seen coming to america

she is in for a treat!

xxxpI disagree. Perhaps equally dumb, but not dumber.

what is this "lol ethan doesn't know girls you're just a guy on a message board" thing about? i mean that's even dumber than "lol an adult woman who hasn't heard of kevin smith!?"

― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:25 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The reality is somewhere in between and less boring to argue about

Lol at Ethan so 12 Angry Men over this.

It does seem kind of strange to have not at least heard of Kevin Smith, though.

he has such a generic name.

MOST PPL is usually my mom.

― Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe this is skewing me but my mom likes kevin smith

here are some people in my life more interested in talking about kevin smith than me: kids i went to h.s. with + everybody ive worked with in every kitchen and retail and office job over the last 9 years + every girl ive ever dated + every friend ive ever talked to about movies + probably most members of my family under 60

I get the idea that Shakey might talk less at home about how much he hates Kevin Smith than he does here.

can i admit that tho i know who kevin smith is i did not realize he had directed zach and miri blah blah?

You do? xp

Ethan you really need to stop talking about Kevin Smith. That sounds seriously obsessive.

perhaps some additional detail would be helpful here altho lolz wtf like this even matters... one day, months and months ago, my wife heard about this movie starring Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks that was about making a porno and expressed an interest in seeing it, because she likes Seth Rogen a lot (as do I). I said "no fucking way, that Kevin Smith guy is horrible". She says "who's Kevin Smith?" I say, (knowing that she has at least seen parts of these two movies on cable) "you know, the guy who made "Clerks" and "Dogma". Can't stand him." She says "eh, whatever". One day, months later, while I am home sick, she says "hey I'm gonna go to the crappy corner video store and rent whatever looks entertaining." She returns with Zack and Miri and Wall-E saying "well, this is what they had." We watch movies. We don't like either of them. The END.

yeah tbf Zack & Miri was pretty much marketed as a Seth Rogen movie, there were times when I forgot it was a Silent Bob joint

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you didn't like wall-e?

The moral of this story: Shakey's wife doesn't listen to him.

i h8 yall

lol ethan

yall are really defensive of straw people who dont care about kevin smith

They should have stuck with Food Network.

ok you just said you don't like Wall-E, awesome, now we can have a whole new clusterfuck argument

haha xpost

It's like, I don't know who John Landis is*,but I've seen Coming to America and the Blues Brothers, two popular comedy films of the 1980s.

*(until I just googled Coming to America)

It does seem kind of strange to have not at least heard of Kevin Smith, though.
― 2nd-place ladyboy (Nicole), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Yes.

Although a girl at my internship asked me last week who Paul Newman was. She honestly thought he was just some salad dressing/coffee dude and had no clue that he was an actor. Mind blowing.

okay now that is a flawed analogy.

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i know some really cool people that don't know shit about dick

thats kind of awesome

xxxxpHahaha see that's what "NORMAL PEOPLE" are like.

and what is it true you only know three women?

okay now that is a flawed analogy.

why?

you don't know who john landis is?

It took me like 10 minutes to realize she was completely serious.

I thought she met my analogy about not knowing kevin smith v. not knowing paul newman?

last year i had a very upsetting conversation with my at the time 24 year old sister where she revealed she did not know who david lynch was.

thats what normal people are like horseshoe

your sister is the salt of the earth

The moral of this story: Shakey's wife doesn't listen to him.

haha - its okay, it was probably just payback for making her sit through Fassbinder's Berlin Alexanderplantz (which I ended up not really enjoying myself)

and when i sputteringly told her he was a director, she was like, "oh he directed fight club!" and i was like, "...no that was david fincher" and she was like "oh, he directed 3 kings" and i was like, "no that's david o. russell. are you fucking with me?" but she wasn't.

looool max

lol max i seriously almost punched her.

you don't know who john landis is?

Well, now i do. I've seen Animal House too!

I can't imagine going outside and asking 10 people on the street if they know who kevin smith is and getting more than 2 yes-es

I'm surprised about someone not knowing John Landis is but I guess it comes down to what WW said before. The people I normally associate with are music/book/film obsessed nerds and so am I but that most other people couldn't care less.

normal people are too busy livin their lives, farmin and workin in factories

one of my least fav things about ilx is this idea that everyone who isnt on ilx or similar is somehow ignorant of 90% of the shit we talk about all day - guess what everybodys reading the same bad jokes and internet memes and talking about the same shitty overhyped movies and bands, theyre just on facebook or 4chan or something awful or perez hilton comments or the tmz blog or whatever

Not knowing who Paul Newman is, on the other hand, really is mind blowing.

most people aren't on the internet to even a fraction of what we are dude.

i mean i view "nobody in REAL LIFE cares who kevin smith is" as an extension of those threads that list "ilx memes" and the first entry is "all your base are belong to us" or rickrolling

most people aren't on the internet to even a fraction of what we are dude.

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:37 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is true, in, like, a global sense, yes

my fucking gf works at a magazine and has no clue what a lolcat or any of that shit is dogg

Yeah that's why nobody sees Kevin Smith movies. Cuz everyone is talking about him.

I can't wait for the founding of the Padgett, Stanton And Weingarten Institute Of Social Sciences, a day when we can finally put some of these questions to rest.

i dont think anyone wd be surprised if shakey mo collier was a senegalese librarian and his wife didnt know who kevin smith is

lol comparing girlfriends itt

just because his theaterical box office is low doesnt mean he isnt a huge brand and is talked about much more than john landis or david o russell or whoever else we're comparing him to here

most people aren't on the internet to even a fraction of what we are dude.

MOST PPL THEY JSUT DONT NO THEYRE SO FREE THEY DONT HAVE 2 SLAVE 2 INTERENT THEY CAN JSUT WATCH A MOVEE AND NOT EVEN NO WHO DIRECTED OR WAT THE STARZ NAMES OR EVEN WAT ITS ABOUT

lamp otm

pop culture deficiencies are a big turnoff for me

just because his theaterical box office is low doesnt mean he isnt a huge brand and is talked about much more than john landis or david o russell or whoever else we're comparing him to here

― [.]'s kids (and what), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:39 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^yeah, this is otm.

ilx is several miles below the surface of popular culture i think. most people in my experience just think its cool they know that clerks is a thing that exists.

He's not a huge brand for most people, Ethan. That's why his movies don't make money.

(wasn't comparing him to david o. russell, was just bitching about my annoying sister)

my girlfriend works at a furniture store and she couldnt even name the president

Agree he's more name than Landis or Russell.

whos the president she says what is this internet thing

http://cd7.e2bn.net/e2bn/leas/c99/schools/cd7/website/images/michelangelo34.jpg
ilx being cast out of the garden of innocence for eating from the tree of kevin smith knowledge

but he is sort of a 90s phenomenon who cast himself in his own films and had a huge media presence.

jesus xposts i seriously love ilx guys

old ladies who watch Leno know who Kevin Smith is, but they prolly don't know he's a hip film director because he comes off like the fucking guy from Diners, Drive-ins and Dives

smith's demographic grew out of him and he can't find another one is his problem

Grew out of him? Like the Brood?

Saturday Night Live never touched on this HUEG BRAND like they did with apatow

fuck, people don't even dress like Jay And Silent Bob for Halloween

arent all these dudes movies big video/dvd sellers? aside from jay & silent bob strike back i never saw any kevin smith movie in the theater but ive seen all of em up to that one

people mentioned on this thread, who are not Kevin Smith, that my wife would recognize instantly:

John Landis
David Lynch
Paul Newman

not so sure about David O. Russell but she has seen his movies

But at the risk of stating the obvious there is a big BIG difference between a) seeing a movie, b) knowing who the director is, and c) having an opinion on the director's entire body of work

jason lee's got his whole career to thank kevin smith for

fuck, people don't even dress like Jay And Silent Bob for Halloween

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:43 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you just fucking with me now

just because his theaterical box office is low doesnt mean he isnt a huge brand and is talked about much more than john landis or david o russell or whoever else we're comparing him to here

― [.]'s kids (and what), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:39 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^yeah, this is otm.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

exactly.

i was silent bob for halloween once

o wait im not normal ppl i am on the internet ;_;

how many people asked you who you were

or was it a college party

lol data points

dude im not saying everybody everywhere knows kevin smith, obviously, but dude is a huge touchstone like i dunno office space or the big lebowski or donnie darko or what the fuck ever - btw i havent seen donnie darko but if i was dating a girl who told me she hated donnie darko i wouldnt then mistakenly bring home a movie that said "from the director of donnie darko!" or "if you loved donnie darko!" on the cover

oh right college students arent real people

guyz kevin smith is a brand to exactly one demoographic - dorky 14-18 yr old boys.

kevin smith is known enough as a personality to get cast in die hard 4

is this some kind of sarah palin real-america thing where ultimately we determine the only unspoiled real americans left are a couple of farming families in iowa

p sure my salt o' the earth sister knows who kevin smith is fwiw

kevin smith is why we can't have nice things

'real people' live in tribes and use the internet once every five years

Isn't Max from NJ? I bet J and SB costumes are pretty common in NJ.

how many people asked you who you were

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or was it a college party

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

homie u are smart enuf to see that u just played urself right

guyz kevin smith is a brand to exactly one demoographic - dorky 14-18 yr old boys.

― He grew in Pussyville. Population: him. (call all destroyer), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:46 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i know many much older dorks of both genders that defy this fake-ass rule

i am from new jersey, and it was in 7th grade

yall must have a very different experience using ilx than i do if yall are surrounded by people who dont know anything about pop culture all the time.... for it its just a bunch of conversations pretty much like what i talk to my friends about all day except i can do it at work

for it = for me

haha this thread is awesome

i know many much older dorks of both genders that defy this fake-ass rule

― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:47 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes it is news to me that i am an 18 yr old boy

xxxxp yeah that's probably becuz they saw clerks when they were 14-18

yeah this is my favorite thread in a while

yeah this is kind of like when non-Kanye rappers reference some corny SNL comedy and people are like "omg they have Adam Sandler movies in the trap!?"

and when i sputteringly told her he was a director, she was like, "oh he directed fight club!" and i was like, "...no that was david fincher" and she was like "oh, he directed 3 kings" and i was like, "no that's david o. russell. are you fucking with me?" but she wasn't.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:35 PM (2 minutes ago)

come on yes she was

i sign off ilx and go home and i can barely speak w/ my girlfriend or neighbors... i used to be normal people and talk about normal things like knitting and cattle breeding... now i dont know

i guess i can see why shakey and whiney are fuming with pent-up rage at every mention of a celebrity they dislike if both of them only hang out with "real people" and can never go out and bitch about fight club or garden state or kevin smith over a few beers

if ppl are gonna start telling me that they first repped for mallrats at 25 or 30 or 40 or something i'll just sit in silent shock

yeah i mean if it's your co-workers that are salt of the earth normals then fine, but ethan is right. and your siblings should have grown up watching the same pop culture shit you were sucklin on.

normal people dont even drink beer

i was silent bob for halloween once

http://files.dmusic.com/music/h/a/halfdeaf/soooooo.jpg

So Shakey stop surrounding yourself with people who don't know who Kevin Smith is. Start by divorcing your wife.

omg she wasn't! she also asked me to opine about hilary duff's change in hair color in the same conversation. o_O the difference in our years had come between us.

xpost to goole

would you like some making fuck?

yeah this is kind of like when non-Kanye rappers reference some corny SNL comedy and people are like "omg they have Adam Sandler movies in the trap!?"

― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:48 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah exactly like.... even the most hood dudes i known own kevin smith dvds, the idea that he's someone only a handful of ilx geeks would know about is so far off my real world experience - i guess i dont know real people like alex in sf and shakey and whiney do

x-post - That dude reminds me so much of my German metal cousin Jorg it's not even funny.

if ppl are gonna start telling me that they first repped for mallrats at 25 or 30 or 40 or something i'll just sit in silent shock

I was 22 when "Mallrats" came out.

(btw still haven't seen it but most of my friends my age have)

I have no idea what you are talking about Ethan. I don't know any real people. I live in San Francisco.

i think im so alienated from ppl because of intense interest and use of aspie shut-in bs like the internet and knowing about things

i think maybe this an an age thing too, except whiney is about the same age as me & shipley & max but like, i wasnt some sundance head going to see clerks in b&w at the art-house back in 94 to me hes just a dude who had funny shit playing on comedy central all the time when i was in high school that me & my friends could watch when we got high

e-dogg, i like a lot of kevin smith movies, and i talk about them to my friends all the time. But my friends are LIKE ME. I don;'t just grab random dudes off the street and get beers with em

and mega lol at you think i'm talking about hood guys, no shit they comedies retard. i'm talking about button-up dudes who do sales in my old office and don't give a shit about anything

quit projecting shit on me, you horse's ass

"i'm talking about button-up dudes who do sales in my old office and don't give a shit about anything"

so those are the "MOST PEOPLE" you were talking about a while back?

once i tried to talk to my girlfriend about music and she just stared at me like i was speaking chinese... come to think of it maybe i was

did shakey mo meet his wife in whineys office

no shit they comedies retard

shamefully, I lolled

German metal cousin Jorg - awesome display name up for grabs!

she's a button-up woman who does sales

the majority of people don't even watch the oscars dogg is all i'm saying.

quit projecting shit on me, you horse's ass

-vs-

Just because we talk with other aspie shutins on the internet all day doesn't mean there's not 700000 times as many people running around outside enjoying life

the funniest part of all this is that shakey started this thread in 2005 demanding an explanation

what did you and your wife talk about for the 4 yrs in between

you can lead a horse's ass to water, but

and mega lol at you think i'm talking about hood guys, no shit they comedies retard. i'm talking about button-up dudes who do sales in my old office and don't give a shit about anything

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i made a comparison and ethan agreed, we weren't saying that was what you were referring to.

what did you and your wife talk about for the 4 yrs in between

― cutty, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:54 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a layup

i think my favorite post is still-----

mystery science theater MUCH higher laugh rate at my house. (The people who wrote that show read books.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 9, 2005 3:50 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL.

oh if only i could run around outside and enjoy life

maybe I just don't appreciate that Smith's movies are all bounded by rather pedestrian reference points - John Hughes, Star Wars, crappy comics I could never be bothered to read, etc. And that's all there is to it. By comparison, MST 3000 is like fucking Dennis Miller (back before he was a right-wing hack)...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, August 9, 2005 4:01 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i guess kevin smith wouldn't be one of those "pedestrian reference points"

i guess i can see why shakey and whiney are fuming with pent-up rage at every mention of a celebrity they dislike if both of them only hang out with "real people"

wait is this like you fuming with pent-up rage at every mention of someone you don't know not giving a fuck about some shitty sub-celebrity director?
s

did you just sign your post like it's a fricken email?

i mean, take kevin smith out of the equation. It's not on some omg celebrity shit.

It's really like saying that MOST people know who the Killers are and know what indian food tastes like and know what Gawker is and know what channel 24 is on. I honestly think most people don't give a shit about any of that stuff.

did shakey mo meet his wife in whineys office

we met in - wait for it - college

lolz the "s" was a typo I swear!

i dont remember fuming with pent-up rage dogg - i was surprised that the wife of noted internet cultural critic shakey mo collier didnt know the name of a pretty famous movie director and brought home a copy of his movie which led to me ending up reading his opinions4u about it

while we're on the subject, i don't know what "most people" are into. i don't think any of you do either.

It's really like saying that MOST people know who the Killers are and know what indian food tastes like and know what Gawker is and know what channel 24 is on. I honestly think most people don't give a shit about any of that stuff.

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a) most ppl i know would know more about the killers than me, dog
b) im not even gonna touch this one - what the fuck
c) dunno man when i was writing for idolator i was amazed how many people know what i said when i explained "its one of the gawker blogs". most girls i know read jezebel.
d) i have no fuckin idea what channel 24

yeah that shit is really annoying and smacks of smug claims about the american electorate pre-Obama.

xpost

had a damn good rookie season...I wish the Lions had a few more players that could work folks into such a tizzy!

i will say you've come a long way since Dreadful, twee horseshit marketed to "indie" types that fratboys watch to look smart and housewives watch to look hip though

It's really like saying that MOST people know who the Killers are and know what indian food tastes like and know what Gawker is and know what channel 24 is on. I honestly think most people don't give a shit about any of that stuff.

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think it's more like MOST people don't know what channel 24 on if Lost is the one show they're really into, but if it's vice versa they know what channel 24 is on but not Lost. the main difference between people who expend a lot (or too much) time digesting pop culture is that they know a lot about stuff they're not even into, whereas most people at least have a favorite band or a favorite show or a favorite director they're pretty well versed in.

Indian cuisine is one of the most popular cuisines across the globe.[18] The cuisine is popular not only among the large Indian diaspora but also among the mainstream population of North America and Europe.[19] In 2003, there were as many as 10,000 restaurants serving Indian cuisine in the United States alone.[20] A survey held in 2007 revealed that more than 1,200 Indian food products have been introduced in the United States since 2000.[21] According to Britain's Food Standards Agency, Indian food industry in the United Kingdom is worth £3.2 billion, accounts for two-thirds of all eating out and serves about 2.5 million British customers every week.[22]

what about if they watch celebrity apprentice then do they know what indian food the killers eat

but 24 is a huge mass-culture thing. gawker is a niche thing. kevin smith is a niche thing for mass culture types. so many arbitary ideas itt!

the closest indian restaurant to the town i grew up in is 45 minutes away, sorry my life isnt the benneton ad of and what's

goddammit i hate being told by bloggers what 'real people' who into when its this imagined unobserved romantic idea of the noble working classes who dont read blogs or watch best week ever

where every type of person, no matter race class or creed sits down for a beer and discusses Chasing Amy

no one said "real people", you did, jagoff

i never said it was noble, that's why i fucking moved

sorry "most people"

Common people

dogg i'm from a town in south carolina with 1000 people and even then i was able to find at least a dozen other people to watch fuckin kevin smith movies with

and there was indian food an hour's drive away and - guess what - lots of people drove there to have indian food!

12/1000 = most people!

i've eaten indian food, and kevin smith is no indian food

a lot of people = most people

and if you dont wanna do that you can drive 20 minutes to anderson south carolina and buy this

http://www.wellnessgrocer.com/images/1868710010_d.jpg

at the kroger or the wal-mart freezer

no one said "real people", you did, jagoff

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never said it was noble, that's why i fucking moved

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:04 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

to be fair, it was hard to parse which way your loathing was directed earlier in the thread.

12/1000 = most people!

― c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:06 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you seriously doing this

whiney i hope you realize that in the context of this convo when ethan curses it's bratty but inoffensive and in character but when you do it it's kind of jarring and hostile and taking this to a bad place

the closest indian restaurant to the town i grew up in is 45 minutes away, sorry my life isnt the benneton ad of and what's

how many ppl live in the town where you grew up and why are they the gold standard for MOST PEOPLE??

hey whiney backwater rural hellholes arent where "most people" in america live - thats kinda why theres nothing there

i'm just fucking saying, you're going back and forth between "my friends" and "most people" and when I call you out on it, you call me classist. Get fucked

whiney i hope you realize that in the context of this convo when ethan curses it's bratty but inoffensive and in character but when you do it it's kind of jarring and hostile and taking this to a bad place

― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:07 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

could give a shit.

which is kinda why your america where "most people" dont eat indian food or ever read a blog is reminding me of some joe the plumber real-america shit

ok nevermind. guys can "Get fucked" become a meme? i think whiney's earned a post-subway/drowning meme.

the closest indian restaurant to the town i grew up in is 45 minutes away, sorry my life isnt the benneton ad of and what's

I am pretty sure I was in college the first time I had Indian food; I don't remember ever eating it in junior high or high school.

I was all over Chinese/Japanese/Thai food, tho

lol i live in nj where everyone has heard of kevin smith, because he is from new jersey, and everyone has eaten indian food, because there are a lot of indian americans in new jersey

i grew up on a family farm.

do any of you internet blogger homos have any questions for a real person such as myself?

btw some 80+% of americans live in cities & suburbs

yes matt--what do u think of

1) kevin smith
2) the killers
3) indian food
4) gawker

haha yeah, new jersey kind of presents a problem for whiney's analysis

have you ever cracked open your computer monitor to figure out how the little people dancing in the youtube video got inside?

yeah how do you know who simon peg is if you grew up on farm

give a farmhand the internet and the next thing you know he's watching kevin smith movies and reviewing video games

do real people eat at subway

http://djdocrok.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/oh-snap.jpg

ethan's playing a baiting game where he's purposely blurring the lines between "whiney says most people don't care about these things" and "whiney says it's impossible for people to be aware of these things"

they're doing a remake of clerks but this time it's set in subway

and i'm not sayin gawker or kevin smith are some AMAZING BIG CITY INTELLECTUAL TREATS, i'm just saying they are shit that a lot of people care about, but not most people

whole thread started in this direction because i was surprised that the wife of prominent internet mortification shakey mo collier could have never even heard of one of the best known directors of the 90s, not because you're still defensive about coming from some dipshit town and turning into a blogger who looks like ohsnap.gif

yes matt--what do u think of

1) kevin smith
2) the killers
3) indian food
4) gawker

― homie bhabha (max), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:10 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1) Hated that dude in 7th grade, we went cow tipping and he totally ditched me and took off in his F150 when we got caught

2) Don't know 'em but I did love the killer hayseeds at a street dance once

3) you mean corn and buffalo and shit like that? we always used to get venison steaks from our neighbor, like beef but a little gamier and more lean

4) don't know it? is that like some sex magazine?

haha

ok, i'm retreating.

You agree there's a difference between "care about" and "know about", yes? I think you can make the argument that there are very few pop culture things "most people" know about since people are self-selecting in their tastes and what they choose to pay attention to, so that whole avenue of argument is a dead end; however, people in close social circles (like say, spouses) tend to have at least heard of the same things even if they don't actively follow them.

clerks really rode in on the pulp fiction bandwagon imo, i saw PF like five times in the theater and the clerks trailer played before every screening. anyone who saw PF was aware of clerks well in advance and probably saw it as a result (the trailer played really well.)

my gf is 26 and for the most part her parents allowed very little tv or movies (not for jesus or anything, they were really academics-oriented). our exchange 5 minutes ago--

me: srs question - do you know who kevin smith is?
her: i smoked a lot of d0pe in college so yeah
her: well, to be fair, i didn't have any sense of him until college and sarah (movie buff friend) developed an interest in his films. i have seen like, a few of them. none of which i particularly like.

seriously

all this "lol only 14 yr old boys care about kevin smith" b.s. has nothing to do with the fact that shakey mo is a kevin smith hater who spends all day talking about pop culture on the internet and its weird that his wife wouldnt even know who that is

looks like ur girlfriend isnt most people will

did just google proof "dope"? omg google for dope find will's girlfriend

nobody is most people!

Kevin Smith is a big enough name in the culture circle we assume Shakey inhabits that it's jarring when he says his wife hasn't heard of him; it would almost be like my wife saying she had no idea who Erasure is.

i do know a girl who was raised mormon and had never heard of "friday" but we all gave her shit about it for 8 million years and even she wouldve known who kevin smith was

the wife of prominent internet mortification shakey mo collier could have never even heard of one of the best known directors of the 90s

don't misrepresent shit ethan, its lazy. my wife didn't recognize who Kevin Smith is by name, but she has seen at least a couple of his movies. She was not really particularly impressed with either of them enough to remember them or memorize the director's name. Also lolz "best known directors of the 90s" gtfo

which is different from just not having seen friday... she literally had no idea the movie existed or wtf we were quoting

bonus lol exchange ---

her: who is kanye west, and is it lame of me to like him?
me:he is a rapper/ producer who did that song "Gold-digger"
he apparently has a big hit album out now, but i've not heard it.
he also said "George Bush hates black people"
her: i saw him dance in front of a cool light up screen on SNL and now i want to listen to his songs and maybe touch him while he dances. i should prob start listening to music again. apparently it's been awhile.

Also lolz "best known directors of the 90s" gtfo

― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:20 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude was def in the top 10, maybe top 5 most-talked about directors who came around in the 90s

i'm going for some tandoori chicken. Anybody else want something?

who is kanye west is blowing my mind

a nation of tuomases

some dude OTM, I am a Lost fanatic and couldn't care less what channel 24 is on… ;)

if someone who didnt even know who kanye west is knew who kevin smith is

me (1:19:14 PM): what do you think of Kevin Smith
gf (1:20:36 PM): well i seem to remember enjoying clerks and maybe even chasing amy. but i was like what in my early 20s then i have not really revised my opinion except that he seems annoying now

i just now realized "what channel 24 is on" means what channel the television program 24 is on

i seriously googled "channel 24" and got a bunch of local affiliates and just gave up assuming whiney stumped me

its on fox, btw

24 is kind of a special case since it's about how torture is awesome like the rest of fox's programming. i couldn't tell you what channel 'how i met your mother' or the '2 1/2 men' is on tho

24 is kind of a special case since it's about how torture is awesome like the rest of fox's programming.

― cindy (goole), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:24 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i cant imagine any other reason someone would watch "animation domination"

the last episode of 24 was awesomely about how when jack bauer isn't allowed to torture someone, it leads to a catastrophe

most of american watches 2.5 men and the two dozen torture show

dude was def in the top 10, maybe top 5 most-talked about directors who came around in the 90s

no. This just doesn't jibe with my memory at all - and there's no real way to prove it either so stop saying it like its undeniable received wisdom.

i want to listen to his songs and maybe touch him while he dances

will maybe it's better she didn't know

make a list of 10 that doesnt have kevin smith on it

shakey's orig post about wife didn't seem weird to me at all, pretty sure my wife doesn't know who kevin smith is by name, but if you say "the guy who did clerks" she'll know who you are talking about (that's the only movie of his we've seen). i will ask her later to confirm

i'm sure there's an extremely reliable listicle on some blog somewhere that will verify or debunk ethan's claim

xpost

the directors who emerged in the 1990s who got the most press were tarantino, pt anderson, wes anderson, kevin smith, fincher...who else?

maybe indie auteur edward burns?

i would put smith on a list of 10, definitely

Linklater, Rodriguez

John Singleton

linklater xp

out of those only tarantino is on the same level of popular recognition of kevin smith and maybe thats cuz theyre the only two who are actually IN THEIR GODDAMN MOVIES

i mean, richard linklater? really?

sup dudes kevin smith makes shitty movies

anyway i think kevin smith was a bigger name and face than anyone you can name other than tarantino

fwiw i've seen and enjoyed fight club at least three times and i would totally miss fincher on a trivia night.

xp i would agree with that

maybe M. Night Shyamalol

def m night

are any of his other movies good? i stopped after the first two

ten excluding smith a couple of which are an obv reach:

taratino
wes anderson
p.t. anderson
david fincher
spike jonze
bryan singer
john singleton
christopher nolan
whit stillman
michel gondry

id say "MOST PEOPLE" my age could name tarantino, smith, m night, maybe wes anderson if theyre white, but i wouldnt expect "MOST PEOPLE" to know the other ones

ten excluding smith a couple of which are an obv reach:

taratino
wes anderson
p.t. anderson
david fincher
spike jonze
bryan singer
john singleton
christopher nolan
whit stillman
michel gondry

― Lamp, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:32 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lolling

kevin smith? who's that? well, i'm off to see the new whit stillman film

This thread is fucking exhausting.

i mean, richard linklater? really?

― [.]'s kids (and what), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:30 PM (15 seconds ago)

btw slacker and dazed & confused, yeah sure. when the newton boys flopped it was a big deal i thought.

smith is the only guy that's made himself known as a personality tho. and he's in his own movies. also, the sky is blue.

xps but we were going for 10!

I happen to really like Stillman but seriously?? No way he'd make that list over Smith.

kevin smith? who's that? well, i'm off to see the new whit stillman film

fyi i def no ppl that who would at the very least front like this was true

exhausting? it made my afternoon.

i dont think i knew who whit stillman or bryan singer or michel gondry were til a year or two ago. everybody who knows who kevin smith is.

Linklater was a pretty big deal initially - everyone in my college town were way more into Slacker and especially Dazed and Confused than Clerks

isn't there a film in which one of these directors thanks all the other directors on that list in the end credits?

if you google silent bob you find a million kids dressed up as silent bob

nobody dresses up as whit stillman besides m.white

fyi i def no ppl that who would at the very least front like this was true

― Lamp, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:34 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark

I hate those ppl.

i googled whit stillman and i still don't know who he is

oh i misunderstood the list was supposed to be ppl more well known than k smith.

we judge how well-known ppl are by how many 14 years olds dress up like them

you forgot prince vince gallo

it's a better measure than the other shit we're throwing around itt

xp

agreed.

like the notion i've got of your never having seen either of the first two coasts. or apparently not knowing what a blended haircut is. but thanks for your personal comments.

― gabbneb, Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:27 AM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

iirc horseshoe is a big whit stillman fan so u all might want to watch out

wait, first two coasts?

still cant blieve dude was suggest banned, that is a top-20 all time ILX post frankly

okay I've been resisting this for a while but now I have to break down and ask:

wtf is a "blended haircut"

dan i think that means you have just pwnd ursaelf

it's what we normal people call a "fade"

http://www.haircutsformen.org/buzz/graphics/badcuts.jpg

x-post I don't know what that is either?

Thanks for that V, very helpful!

so... it's a "haircut"

that reminds me of when someone asked ricardo montalban wtf rich corinthian leather was and he said, "greek vinyl"

I think I was imagining some incredibly douchey feathering going on, kind of like the New Kids circa 1989.

I think it just means smooth with none of that bi-level stuff going on.

wait gabbneb got banned? what for?

(ps I never bother with those meta threads about whose a mod who is or is not angry at somebody else about some bullshit)

gabbneb hit the magic number of suggest bans

Your surprise suggest banning ban will be that much more of a surprise for you, Shakey.

I didn't know there was such a thing

lolz x-posts

gabbneb was kinda annoying but so are half the people here (including me!) Kinda can't fathom why he would be banned

I think it just means smooth with none of that bi-level stuff going on.

― Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

leave the ringtone crew outta this beef

guys it is so cute how you are all checking in with your girlfriends <3

you can leave the crew out of the beef, but

my ladyfriend told me over the weekend that she hadn't seen coming to america or the princess bride

― cutty, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me: question, ok, you havent seen coming to america or the princess bride. have you seen the goonies?

her: sure I've seen the goonies but if you start quoting lines from it, we'll run into problems!

haha

XD

to think everytime i scream HEY YOU GUYS during sex she didn't know what i meant

Oh god, right on cue:

Warner Bros. recently confirmed a date with director Kevin Smith. The View Askew auteur's next film, "Couple of Dicks", starring Bruce Willis and Tracy Morgan ("30 Rock"), will go down January 29th, 2010. Teaming with a big wig studio is a departure from previous Smith films, which have typically been released under indie labels like Miramax and Weinstein Co. But with superstar Willis on board, you just can't skimp on the craft services and honey wagons. No word yet on the plot, but expect this comedy caper to be more of a mainstream product than previous Smith efforts, especially since he is not currently listed as a writer on this project. Robb and Marc Cullen have screenwriting credit; Robb of the TV series "Las Vegas," "Gary the Rat," and "Heist." Hopefully, Kevin Smith will add a generous helping of his "stank" into the mix in the form of gratuitous rude behavior and slanderous one-liners. C'mon, where else are kids these days going to pick up their new slang from, if not Kevin Smith films?

http://www.ercboxoffice.com/admin/files/02Mar2009_200541-kevin-smith-1.jpg

maybe indie auteur edward burns?

― pro bowl was fun (omar little), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:27 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fuck this dude imo!

iirc horseshoe is a big whit stillman fan so u all might want to watch out

― homie bhabha (max), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:39 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i can't follow this thread anymore, but i would not punch my sister if she didn't know who whit stillman was. she does, though.

Kevin Smith will add a generous helping of his "stank" into the mix

TRACY NOE

NO E

ill help you horseshoe, ppl were hating on whit stillman

Hopefully, Kevin Smith will add a generous helping of his "stank" into the mix

xpost dammit

hay guyz

but tracy had the funniest line in j&sbsb

big and what stillman fan

http://www.ercboxoffice.com/admin/files/02Mar2009_200541-kevin-smith-1.jpg

"What do you mean, you don't want my 'stank'?"

we all need new display names from the 10 directors bigger than kevin smith list

x-posts I just watched j&sb last week and was like holy shit that's Tracy Jordan!

paul tuomas anderson
s1ock jonze
quentin passantino

tracy jordan is a character on the show 30 rock

we all need new display names from the 10 directors bigger than kevin smith list

OTM

x-post - um, I know he is.

Shakey Mo has your wife heard of Office Space btw. Apparently Ethan thinks it would be "weird" if she hasn't.

the number of vocal tics I've picked up from "Office Space" terrifies me

alex in sf we stopped trying to son each other like 200 posts ago. you really are a weird dude

we OWN a copy of Office Space

also my wife is Hungarian, not Estonian

I went to lunch and missed that you stopped being dick! Oh no so weird.

Wow that's weird that your wife has seen Office Space, but wouldn't know your opinions about one of the top five comedic directors of the 90s.

does anybody even like you? everyone else, even me & shakey, had more fun doing this than you seemed to

i know you just had to deliver your scathing "jerk store" style rebuttal but seriously dog just let it go

You really are a weird dude.

hey I like Alex! he has turned me onto some great sci-fi stuff + local eateries

I can't remember if he's met my wife or not

this thread would have been easier if at the beginning shakey mo had said, my wife is hungarian and wasnt saturated in the same pop culture during the 90s as everyone else was

I have. We ate Vietnamese food at a local eatery IIRC.

The thread would have been easier if Ethan wouldn't have found it so impossible to believe that some people (even people married to opinionated jerks) don't give a shit about who directs what films.

Max otm. That sort of changes everything.

um my wife grew up in San Diego and we met at UC Santa Cruz in the 90s where we smoked a lot of pot and watched Dazed and Confused and The Killer and shit like that

so no max is not otm

but yeah seriously its more like my wife only remembers the names of directors SHE LIKES

Yeah I was thinking "wow Shakey Mo's wife's accent" was barely noticeable.

guys an important lesson on the internet is to not get so dam butthurt

Yeah Ethan stop getting so dam butthurt.

dude

lol old-skool thread here

Just missing Momus haha.

thread needed some alex in nyc imo

out of those only tarantino is on the same level of popular recognition of kevin smith

OK, wtf?

in the US

Kevin Smith is as well known as Tarantino in the US? Wow.

I mean, Kevin Smith's films come out here, but Tarantino is a household name.

I don't think that is true anymore actually, but it was probably once true.

That said I was trying to think of 90s directors that are household names and I couldn't come up with much. Smith is probably the second most recognizeable name after Tarantino.

Actually, I'd put M. Night about Kevin Smith.

fuck this guy.

seeing an M Night about a Smith

Is he really a 90s director though? I guess Sixth Sense came out in '99 didn't it?

yeah i was going though the rolodex of celebrity directors (a la spielberg) in my head... James Cameron was kind of household name around Titanic, but i'm not sure that's what we're talking about here.

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Yeah. The timeline is hazy to me; I have the bad tendency to think everything between 1989 and 2002 happened at about the same time.

Tarantino here is like, one step down from Spielberg in terms of recognition. Probably above someone like ... Ridley Scott as a household name as directors go. Kevin Smith is in a much lower league. Someone like M. Night Shyamalan - yeah, as many, if not more people will have seen the movies, but he's not a name in the same way.

Except that his name is totally recognizeable.

but all of his movies are called "M. Night Shyamalan's The Blah Blah Blah"

I don't really get the animus towards smith. He's pretty easy to ignore if you don't like him.

Yeah, but the general population just don't talk about M. Night Shyamalan's movies as director's movies. They're not thought of that way. Tarantino is a far higher profile in that sense. Kevin Smith is nowhere near.

but how can you ignore ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS DIRECTORS OF THE 90S

Yeah that would just be weird.

hence, this thread

the general population may not know Kevin Smith as a brand name director but they still know him as the chubby and lovable comic relief in Catch And Release and Live Free Or Die Hard

By name?

lol, Catch and Release!

Box office prediction and analysis site Boxofficemojo.com pegged Catch and Release for a $4.6 million opening weekend at its 1,622 sites, with Leesmovieinfo.com estimating $5.0 million. The film edged above these expectations and grossed $7,658,898 in its first three days — with Sony indicating that 75% of the audience was female (with 58% being over 25). The pattern of films that rely heavily on its leading ladies having a dominantly female audience can also be seen in pictures like In Her Shoes, Just Like Heaven and Because I Said So, other medium sized box office successes.

The film ended up with a final gross of $15,539,051 in the United States and $456,458 overseas, less than its estimated $25 million budget.

Right, I'm going to bed. Contributing to this thread is only reminding me off the head-in-hands direness of Zack and Miri Make a Porno.

the contention that Smith , with his generic white American name, has anywhere near the name recognition of Shyamalyan, Fincher, PT Anderson, or Wes Anderson, just judging by box office receipts (and, um, Oscar nominations, I guess) just seems ludicrous to me.

I didn't really notice Fincher as a name director until Zodiac.

In Her Shoes, Just Like Heaven and Because I Said So? Did these actually come out in the theaters?

oh come on, Seven was a huge deal. The narrative was "video director makes astonishing debut!" That shit didn't happen to, say, Hype Williams (lolz Belly)

guys i was joking jeez

and Fight Club was 99

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i have seen in her shoes and it did indeed come out in the theater.

Catch and Release was Jennifer Garner, no? Who was In Her Shoes?

cameron diaz and toni colette

i have seen catch and release, too.

Oh wait I saw In Her Shoes too. Hah!

Okay who was in Because I Said So and Just Like Heaven?

i don't even know what those movies are. robert smith?

i still haven't caught up, but i love this thread

"Just Like Heaven" was Reese Witherspoon, I think; the one where she was a ghost haunting her old apartment and found LUUUUUUUUUUUUV

(and honestly, I didn't know who directed "Se7en" or "Fight Club" until "Zodiac" came out)

Wait was Just Like Heaven set in San Francisco? With Mark Ruffalo?

Yeah, pretty sure that's the one...

Yes! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_like_Heaven_(film)

nice handle Dan

Okay well I definitely don't remember Because I Said So.

In 2006, the movie was awarded "worst foreign movie of the year" by the "Gérard du Cinema" Academy, an equivalent of the "Golden Raspberry Award" in France.

lolz (xp: thx Shakey)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because_I_Said_So_(2007_film)

dan how do you watch fight club and not give a shit who directed it

It was years after the fact and, while I really liked the movie, I didn't have the "must see everything else this dude has done" reaction to it (basically, because I was in my late 20s when I saw it and not my early 20s).

i love you all for this thread

whiney itt = insanity

i don't think i would have even heard of Zodiac had there not been dudes all over the place (on this board and otherwise) all obsessed with Fincher ever since Fight Club

I'm not denying that at all, I'm just saying I had a weird blind spot with him.

(Where I deviate from what happened earlier on this thread is that I know I'm the weird one here.)

this thread is hilarious, but mostly because people fronting like Kevin Smith is some obscure auteur with zero name recognition is so hysterically stick-to-my-guns-to-prove-my-point style rong.

nah Dan you are the legendary, mythical "most people"! don't be ashamed

loooooooool Shakey, great username

i guarantee a poll would show that kevin smith is a top five name recognition director outta all the dudes we're talking about

yah but somehow we would have to teach all these "normal people" how to use the internet to make it valid

So I should probably pass on Zac and Miri, huh?

I can't believe this is still going btw.

I think you have to watch Zac and Mirri now to see if this thread was worth it!

i second (or fourth or fifth) that zack & miri was one of the worst movies i saw last year

So I should probably pass on Zac and Miri, huh?

it didn't seem any worse than his other films to me, so if you like his shit I don't see why you wouldn't be pleased with it.

ie, it looked like shit, the characters were written poorly, most of the jokes were not funny, it was awkward, embarassing, clumsy, juvenile, etc.

but hey that's what made him ONE OF THE MOST HIGH PROFILE COMEDY DIRECTORS OF THE 90s amirite

pretty much, yeah!

he was funny in the 90s

I can't remember if I said this already but until today I didn't even know that he had directed it!

x-post Yeah, exactly.

jeez let's stop pretending kevin smith was anything other than super high profile by the end of the '90s, clerks and mallrats were his cult shit, chasing amy and dogma had the dude's flicks on magazine covers.