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everyone, probably, has a diff opinion about this but, since there are only, really, two opinions possible, someone must be able to back-up one or the other, to a reasonable degree. anyone?

"no one" or "no-one"?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

let's not even mention "noone"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

There's a time and place for both. Keeps things interesting.

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

no-one most certainly for me

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

I can never decide, therefore 'nobody'.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

no-one

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

no one.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

no-one for me. Also "to-day".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

rof-lmao

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

see there's no hyphen for "no one" in x-files (as opposed to xfiles)

http://xfang.customer.netspace.net.au/xfiles/pics/trustno1.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

Surely no one has used "to-day" since the days of Jane Austen!

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

I hate the look of hyphenated words. Obv you do need to hyphenate no-one if there would be a confusion with 'no one' meaning 'no single one', but like Madchen I'd just use 'nobody' instead.

'To-day' is mentalism!

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

maybe it should be noone.

cooperative or co-operative?

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

I say "no one".

I am backed up by the Times and Guardian style guides.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

to-day rox0r, fuck the hate-ers.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

co-operative. cooperative = something to do w/ where chickens live.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

I want that X-Files grab to say 'Trust Noone'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

i hearby register tobe noone as my nome de plume

― tobe noone (bulbs), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

I think no-one is one word

do people think it is...two words?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.keener13.com/images/peter_noone_med.gif
And in his eyes you see nothing.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

cooperative. and coordinate. Everyone knows what they mean and it doesn't distract the eye with unnecessary punctuation.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

it is one word and microsoft agrees.

alba: how does a hyphen 'distract'. what's distracting is how the make a 'coo' sound.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I am not Archel.

(I prefer "no one" to "no-one". The style guide here, begun by someone of this parish, recommends wimping out of a decision and using "nobody" instead, but I think "nobody" is uglier.)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps it should be... noöne?

I love the prissy way the New Yorker persists with "coöperate".

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

Madchen thinks that if you write no-one, you should you also write some-one, which is quite clearly wrong, so no-one must be wrong also. Noone looks funny, so nobody is the only answer. This is logick, not wimpishness.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

(makes mental note for future use - "some-one")

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

cõ-öperatê

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

some one remind me when the language was guided by logic.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

It is

no one

RJG.

Trust me.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

ask that esperanto dude

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

Logick, not logic.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

there's nothing wrong with using a hyphen to separate two vowels and avoid confusion: cf re-educate, redefine.

the "correct" (ie oxford) answer is that it's "no one". but the h3r4ld's new style book, on which i have toiled like a mutha for more than a year, will advise "no-one", for reasons lost in the mists of time (but very much to do with the breaking of words over narrow columns).

actually, in all seriousness: it will also advise "nobody" wherever possible. do you want a job, mädchen?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

My Canadian Oxford Dictionary says "no one (also no-one)", so that's no good whatsoever.

I hate "coworkers" -- I always see it as "cow-orkers".
And "weeknights" = "wee knights". Bring on the dancing hyphens, say I!

― Surfer_Stone_Rosalita (Surfer_Stone_Rosalita), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Nobody. It sounds so... well, all that physical corporeal nastiness of bringing BODIES into it. One must avoid that kind of thing at all cost!

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

NO-ONE!

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

"No one" is such a beautiful, elegant phrase.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

omg, that's the most britishes thing i've seen kate say yet! good work!

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

"Nobody" sounds like something they'd use in Chigley or Camberwick Green. It almost rhymes with "Mr Blobby". It should be avoided in serious prose.

Alternatively, try "nae cunt".

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

'None' could be used as an alternative in many cases, says I.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

Grimly, I will certainly work for you if I can use "nae cunt".

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it can be "no one" if it isn't "some one" and "every one" and "any one"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

RJG gets it.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

omg, that's the most britishes thing i've seen kate say yet! good work!

Oh, come off it!

(I blame Katie Fox and Watching The English I think it's made me hyper aware of this sort of thing.)

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

nobody makes you want to pronounce it like "nob ody"

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

I think I am right

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

also: coworker is a terrible work to start with anyway, with or without the hyphen. "colleague" is so much nicer!

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

RJG's opinion is right.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

coworker works if your coworkers are cows.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes it can and it is, you are wrong.

Collins has no-one as their first choice, so it must be wrong.

It's not Feng-Shui, is it?

Or is it?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

into / on to pisses me off.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it can be "no one" if it isn't "some one" and "every one" and "any one"

I don't think it can be "no-one" if it isn't "some-one" and "every-one" and "any-one"

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

this takes us back to the problem with pronouncing 'noone'.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

so noone it is then?

xpost

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

in to

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

I have decided I like 'no one' after all, better than 'nobody'.

I just hate hyphens, irrationally. This thread's appearance is actually painful to me!

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

into

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

'in-to'

Argh.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

you have to have some hyphens, unless you're german or something.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

I see hyphens as a necessary evil. I think they're ugly and only to be used when confusion is otherwise likely to take hold.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

no-one. 'no one' I suppose is equally valid but feels wrong. It's like someone, but the hyphen is there to prevent there being a double O leading to confusion, as in co-operate, co-ordinate. (those who are anti- the hyphen in co-operate are clearly a lot more calm tham me when faced with people who pronounce the word 'couperate'.)

― spontine (cis), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

if momus were her, perhaps he would remark on the british moderation of hyphens. not altogetherinoneword in the suspiciously hegelian, germanic, totaliazing manner, nor al l se p a ra te d, as in the over-rational french mode.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

The Guardian style guide on hyphens, FWIW:

hyphens
Our style is to use one word wherever possible, including some instances where a word might be hyphenated by other publications. Hyphens tend to clutter up text (particularly when the computer breaks already hyphenated words at the end of lines).
Inventions, ideas and new concepts often begin life as two words, then become hyphenated, before finally becoming accepted as one word. Why wait? "Wire-less" and "down-stairs" were once hyphenated. In pursuit of this it is preferable to go further than Collins does in many cases: eg trenchcoat is two words in Collins but one under our style; words such as handspring, madhouse and talkshow should all be one word, not two words, and not hyphenated.
Do use hyphens where not using one would be ambiguous, eg to distinguish "black-cab drivers come under attack" from "black cab-drivers come under attack".
Do not use after adverbs ending in -ly, eg politically naive, wholly owned, but hyphens are needed with short and common adverbs, eg ill-prepared report, hard-bitten hack, much-needed grammar lesson, well-established principle of style (note though that in the construction "the principle of style is well established" there is no need to hyphenate).
Finally, do use hyphens to form compound adjectives, eg two-tonne vessel, three-year deal, 19th-century artist

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

skiing

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

I agree, alba. it, in reality, IS "noone" but we all know the problems that that creates

it is one word that had a good old hyphen to make it two syllables, like it is

crossposts

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

I just hate hyphens, irrationally

ir-rationally?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

cross-post

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

If you think about these things too much, your brain siezes up. Best to just choose the one you like best and stick with it.

But the hyphenated version is really for lightweights and beginners.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

ha-ha-ha-ha

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

no one=more than one

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

RJG otm: "no one cause brought about the first world war" or whatever.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that is another use.

Does "untold" come from "untolled", as in "countless"?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

no-one cares!!!!

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

no one/=more than one

no two/=more than two

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

RJG otm: "no one cause brought about the first world war" or whatever.

Can you provide me with an example of an ambiguous usage?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

no no/=more than zero

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

there were many possible causes

no one could be blamed

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

there was supposed to be a bigger gap (20 lines) between those two

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

if it wasn't the meaning of "nobody could be blamed" shouldn't it then have been "not one could be blamed"?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

i am working on an ambiguous usage, but i think in reading when you see 'no one', that concept of 'more than one' is there. 'no-one' doesn;t have that overtone, and it's the overtone that might lead to confusion. (obv it rarely would, but for clarity i would go for no-one.)

maybe 'women: no one looks the same.'

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

You'd never say "No one could be blamed". That just sounds wrong. That kind of "no one" needs to be followed by its subject. You'd say "No single one" or something.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

what if you forgot to?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

maybe 'women: no one looks the same.'

D-

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

People should make more use of the ascii characters available. The underscore, the caret, the hash, the pipe, forward slash, back slash. They should all be rolled into English grammar and spelling.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

also, in totally arbitrary ways, of course.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

i think RJG's example was good enough to make the point alba -- you're critiquing it *as prose style* now.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm saying that no one would write it, so in practical terms, the example doesn't suggest that leaving not hyphenating "no one" can lead to confusion.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

i searched on google for people who pulled: no one hit on me

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm saying that no one would write it

I'm confused

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but you're mentally subnormal.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

no, what if it was:

there were many possible causes

no-one was to blame

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

~ is already used to denote sarcasm

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

at least I'm only mentally subnormal

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

(you are subnormal in every way)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

(including mentally)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

okay, you go with (and this is vv ambiguous) 'many disturbing trends emerged in international diplomacy following successeive balkan crises in 1913; yet no one determined the consequences for the european governments in summer 1914.' (here 'determine' is ambiguous too, making the 'no one' ambiguous). maybe.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

I think it's "no-one"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

Women: No one looks the same on a Thursday.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

These examples are all the same. They all sound like clumsy awful English (yes, I am criticizing prose style - so what?) so shouldn't exist in the first place.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm on comma strike.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

When you have no one, no one can hurt you.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

no one is shit. it's just no-one. end of.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

no one no person, nobody. Thus spelt (no hyphen). Contrast the sense in No one person was guilty. See NOBODY.

R.W. Burchfield - The New Fowler's Modern English Usage.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

never heard of him

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

silly

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if this is where I got it from. I know I had to teach myself not to put the hyphen in, in case people thought I was a joey.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

If only Peter Noone had hyphenated his surname. Then no-ne of this this would have happened.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

David Crystal: When the meaning is 'no single person', two separate words are used: 'No one of us is to blame'. When the meaning is equivalent to 'nobody', a hyphenated form is often used: 'No-one is to blame'. This helps to avoid an ambiguity sometimes present in written English, where 'no one is to blame' could mean 'the blame rests on everyone'. In speech, however, there is no ambiguity, as different stress patterns are involved.

This is clearly stupid. No one (ahahaha) would write 'no one is to blame' when they meant 'the blame rests on everyone'. Though I do take NRQ's point in his example above - when the object of the sentence has already been established, 'one' COULD be used in that sense. But better just to avoid it surely.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Jeff Noone still happened.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

How do you pronounce zoology?

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

zoo-oll.

― spontine (cis), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

GOOD POINT WELL MADE.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Madchen - isn't it Jeff Noon?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Oops.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Geoff Ho-on.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

I *know* how to pronounce zoology, cooperation and coordinate, hyphen or no hyphen. If other people can't figure it out that's their problem.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

people really should be spelt without the o to make it easier to pronounce.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

people really should be spelt without the o to make it easier to pronounce.

That's a slippery slope that ends in "color".

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

well, anyway, consensus has been reached: it's no-one. sorry haters!

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

I prefer 'no one' as well - 'noone' is clearly disastrous, if only for Herman's-Hermits-related reasons; and I don't see the point of a hyphen where no ambiguity is possible unless some lunatic creates it by hideous and deliberate contrivances. People who will write in that way may as well use a space, hyphen or the combined word as they will, since nothing can save their writing.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

No one, not even the rain, agrees with N_RQ and RJG and all the other people who have names made up from letters that don't go together.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

get you!

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

I am with The Beatles.

(& P_J Miller)

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

argument won, the 'non-one' team retire to the bench.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

my letters don't go together??

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.toothpastefordinner.com/081005/grammar-police-arrest-this-man.gif

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/081005/grammar-police-arrest-this-man.gif

― arche1 (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

if momus were her
He never her!

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pietalent.com/artists/peternoone.jpg
I'm not no one, I'm 'En-er-y the Eighth, I am I am

(But Alba already pwned this)

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, your letters go together beautifully, as do N_RQ's, I just felt I had to resort to underhand tactics to ensure victory.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Underscore tactics.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

No one looks fine, whereas no-one or noone look wrong. There, I've settled it. End thread.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

NO-ONE

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

no_one?

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

It takes one to no one.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

n0on3

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

xpost roffle

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

No0ne.

― spontine (cis), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

/\/() @|73

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

http://aquabluemusic.users.btopenworld.com/prodigy/howard.jpg
No one is to blame

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

No one in the world ever had a love as true as my love

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/kabc_092704_chaka.jpg
Ain't nobody, punctuate better

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh no I didn't.

I don't think I voted yet: "No one" for the reasons given by Alba, Martin and others.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bondmusic.de/images/Single_7_TSWLM_Simon_back.jpg

STOP GETTING PUNCTUATION WRONG

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/rob_brennan/ilx/noone.jpg

― robster (robster), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~sonoro/nobody3.jpg

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

http://www.modjourn.brown.edu/mjp/Image/Flaxman/Cyclops.gif

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I am trying to find a record sleeve with "nae cunt" written on it.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

No one painting was a problem.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

god I'm glad I missed this. Still:
noöne.

― stet (stet), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I've always used "no one" and in fact didn't even realize that "no-one" was acceptable, which is worrying, since I'm a copy editor.

I am also dismayed that I was not the first to make reference to Jeff Noon (although bizarrely I thought it was Geoffrey Noone? Oh wait, I'm thinking of Geoffrey Beene, never mind, carry on), nor the first to mention skiing, which I always wondered if the New Yorker would spell skiïng. Ditto Hawaiïan.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Actually I'm not sure Hawaiïan makes sense, although Hawaiï might.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

(Yes, I know, neither of them really make sense, since it's a place name.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

no-one

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

scarecrow
scarecrow
scarecrow

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

scar e-crow

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.maccafan.net/Friends/p/NobodyIknow.jpg

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

PF?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 August 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

PF has been surprised by my flagrant disregard for the hyphen before, so I suspect he favours no-one, or at least sees nothing wrong with it.

It's no one, btw.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

NEVER hyphenate "no one"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

no-one

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Matos reminds me that Jess should really be reading these grammar threads.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

OH SHIBT

― everyone has aibds, Monday, 15 August 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

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