TEH GRIZZLY MAN

There's no video footage of the attack, but the audio on Treadwell's camera was on. Herzog films himself listening to the audio while Treadwell's good friend watches him. Herzog rubs his eyes in what looks like slight distress and the good friend starts to sob. He takes her hand and tells her to never listen to the tape and never look at the coroner's photos. She swears that she never will.

I thought watching Herzog's reaction to hearing the tape was pretty intense. I mean, the dude is no joke so if it upsets him, it's got to be pretty bad. But the part where he makes the woman swear to never listen is kind of annoying.

The combination of Herzog's reaction to the tape and the coroner's theatrical description did a good job of communicating to the viewer how horrific the tape had to have been without making us actually sit captive and hear it, and I'm glad. Just hearng that the attack lasted a full six minutes was pretty tough. That's a long time to spend being eaten alive by a bear.

going to see this today

* **** ***

I also heart Roger Ebert.

just as well he has never made a normal film then.

Yeah, his early work is not known for its humane treatment of animals. I was always worried about some of the critters in Even Dwarves Started Small and all those monkeys in Aguirre.

can you tell more about this or is there a link?

At one point they tried dying white rats to make them match plague-carrying rats - so they dipped them in boiling dye and couldn't figure out why those batches kept immediately dying.

Richard Thompson (electric guitar) and Jim O'Rourke (acoustic guitar and piano) plus a couple others... totally epic! Is there a soundtrack available?

No, just a dude with google who liked a movie.

Richard Thompson (electric guitar) and Jim O'Rourke (acoustic guitar and piano) plus a couple others... totally epic! Is there a soundtrack available?

http://www.richardthompson-music.com/catch_of_the_day.asp?id=412

Nicely done.

Fine with me!

I thought the pacing was really good, how we slowly got to see what Treadwell was really doing out there: sleeping with his teddy bear, freaking out against the park service, being a nutjob.

Also, for as misanthropic as he is, Herzog showed a lot of restraint not using that audio footage of the attack. That's not really like him. Restraint? He made it seem like it was an ethical decision on his part, but I wonder if it's even legal.

The coroner was so so so great. The soundtrack was too. Ok. That's all. I guess I got this out of my system.

okay amanda! let's talk!!!

My totally random guess is that not using the audio was his decision as a filmmaker, perhaps something about the unknown often being worse than the known, as though he took a page from some classic horror films.

Jewel was kind of kooky, too. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out if she was nuts or a little dumb or carrying a torch for TT or what. I watched the ashes-scattering scene very closely, looking for signs of jealousy between the two women but didn't pick up on any. It just seems like Jewel's love of the bears is more a love of TT - otherwise she'd be out in the woods with him.

So maybe she's actually pretty smart...

There are a few transcriptions of the tape online if you're that curious.

Did anyone find Herzog's mention of the many anonymous women involved a little odd?

I kind of would like to read a transcription of the tape, although I feel a little gross admitting that.

i tried searching, briefly, & turned up empty handed.

I guess by the end I didn't feel particularly sympathetic toward TT, if not only because he seemed to be in it so much for himself, for the glory he felt for "saving" the bears and their habitat and for being "the only human to live among the animals without a weapon in the history of man." (Or whatever he said to that effect)

I don't get that impression from, say, Jane Goodall or that other gorilla lady. Then again, I've never seen an even portrait of either of those women, so maybe they're just as narcissistic (and desperate?) as he was.

I loved his relationship with the foxes, though, but they seem more amenable to human interaction than bears.

I also loved how the first time you got an insight into the darker side of TT's personality was when he was chasing the fox who stole his hat, cursing at it. "Don't take that into the fucking den! I need that god damn hat! Fuck!" It's like, DUDE you sat there and filmed the fucking fox taking your god damn hat so don't act surprised. It was just a very self-created drama-queen moment, but also pretty hilarious, and also FOXES ARE SO CUTE!

I'll ave it!

"He tried to smoke marijuana in the house one day, but we put a kibosh on that."

http://www.waol.com/pages/images/157.jpg

I've seen few people mention this, but Treadwell struck me as being more than a little suicidal. The pilot near the beginning says that he was treating the bears like people in bear suits, and that was the attitude I was expecting out of him from the trailers and advance press -- some kind of hippy-dippy reduction of what a bear really is. But I'm not so sure that's what he was doing. He knew exactly what a bear was capable of. He talks about it incessantly. His opening speech in the movie is about being decapitated (which I gather is a common thing that bears do to victims, since he himself was decapitated). He talks near the end of the film (and his life) about how dangerous it was to camp where he was camping, how his tent should be elsewhere. He *brags* about how dangerous it is.

It reminded me of the story (apocryphal, probably) about how Hemingway, when very depressed, would put one of his guns in his mouth and squeeze the trigger as far as he knew he could, and then a little farther. And if he lived, he would feel he had cheated death, and that would make him feel better.

Treadwell did not strike me as a stupid or even foolish person, but he was unbalanced, prone to addiction, fits of rage, and extreme behavior of all sorts (the movie does not detail his past crimes, but makes it clear that he was always in some kind of deep shit). Mostly what I saw in him was a yawning chasm of need, of at least five or six different kinds (I lost count after a while). He needed love, he needed attention, he needed purpose. Maybe he needed to be killed by a bear, and maybe he knew that.

The dude tracked and slept with bears. He gotten eaten a bear. WTF DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?

I mean, there's a lot of sorry shit that happens in the world and while I certainly wouldn't wish the "Grizzly Man"s death on anyone I certainly don't think it's worth much discusssion.

I don't deny the dude had some morals and princples in what he did but shit, he got ate by a grizzly. Could there be any more just death for him? Why do I need to watch the movie to draw that conclusion? Truthfully, I'm asking.

The movie all but totally denies that. Those bears did not need him. He was not doing them any favors at all.

I haven't yet gotten that impression from the articles I've skimmed (golly gee!) so perhaps I would appreciate this movie more. It's not off my list of possiblities. I mean it *is* higher up than Dukes of Hazzard. (Please note I've had three margaritas and an equal number of beers so my sarcasm level is very high.)

Sorry, you even got to cut me some slack every now and then.

Yeah, but... Herzog. He does not make movies about easy targets. He makes movies about obsession and madness. This is one of the best things he's done in many years.

Yeah I'll respect there are other levels to this film and, truthfully, we'll probably go see it this weekend as it has already been discussed in our house.

I'm just, being funny, you know?

I mean, in general I think I probably share principles with this guy. And he's nuts and I'm nuts but I don't f'in go sleep in bear nests so whatever. . .

I like documentaries so I'm sure it will be good.

did you see 'Capturing the Friedmans'? I mean, I am an abused child and I still thought that was a good flick so I'm sure I'll enjoy Grizzly Man.

Even without seeing this movie, I'm not denying this.

Even without knowing this man's full story, I'm not denying this.

Medication sucks a fucking dick. I've been on nearly every psycotropic med there is and I can tell you every fucked up thing each has done to me. But there's only a handful of meds that have every made me "normal" and there are huge damn quotation marks around that.

Past jobs I've been fucked. . .current job knows I'm bipolar and ADD yet I still have the skills. They have to acknowledge they can't get someon with my eclectic combition of talent and professional skills without some weirdness involved.

And I work that to my, highly needed, advantage.

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Did you miss the scene where he painted his face in camo to hide from the poachers, despite the fact that there are none?

He knew the realities of nature but he chose to ignore it because he wanted to live his fantasy.

Exactly. He knew. He knew all about it. He did not strike me for a second as dumb, just incredibly and willfully deluded.

It's a hard line to tow. You can't say one person needs to be medicated and not the other. Unforutnately it's not that simple.

I'm sorry that guy got eaten by bears, but hell, you can't say he wasn't pushing his luck.

Which kind of only makes you angrier that he had to take a girlfriend with him. He had no business bringing her out there.

I was thinking equal parts Carson Kressley, Crispin Glover, and Jeff Daniels.

Right, sorry, I didn't see this.

it struck me that TT was so much like other people i've known who have had the same aimless mania, the same intense need that kenan so accurately described. they all wanted to be actors too...hm.

Renee just told me to stop imitating Werner Herzog.

For days after seeing any Herzog-narrated film, I find myself repeating the word "jhan-gg-leh" over and over.

but aside from squatting illegally in a state park, what did he really do?

He cast off the daily toils of life to live in peace in the wilderness. Sure, it was out of desperation, but it was still brave. Also, he started a foundation and was an active spokesperson for animals' rights -- which is something that the film seems to gloss over (not that that's a bad thing: I don't think that's where the story was).

you mean besides getting himself and his girlfriend killed, which led to the killing of 2 bears which he was "sworn to protect".

speaking of fruity, when i was in 6th grade i started my neighborhood chapter of the "Children's Coalition of Nuclear Disarmament". we made fliers and tried to stage a rally. there were three of us.

Sick, dude.

In that fresh air interview linked upthread, Herzog admit -- well, not admits -- but is very up front about the fact that he does several takes of his interviews. He directs his subjects. He's not looking for verite reality, he's looking for what he calls "the emotional truth, the poetry." This goes a long way toward explaining the "paid actors" feeling. Especially since one of the subjects was, in reality, an actor.

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Daniel, you must not love the bear. And you'd better respect the bear. Because what you see in his face is the monumental indifference of nature. No fear, no emotion, but a half-bored interest in food.

Yeah, this is where Herzog steps out of the self-described role he sets for himself in the beginning as a filmmaker, and tries to be a naturalist. This is the single part of the movie that made me furious, because Werner doesn't know anything about what he's talking about. Herzog is as much of a scientist, or as generally informed about nature/bears, as Treadwell was. If all that a mammal so high on the food chain as bears are interested in is food, then we ourselves are interested in nothing more. Our own behavior is only a more elaborate version of the behaviors of higher mammals: we play (all mammals play), we feel fear, we are raised by mothers, we compete with each other, even kill, over resources, etc. When ancient nomadic peoples of many cultures came into an area, the first thing they did was find the bears and observe them. Why? Because the needs of bears, down to the specifics of food and shelter, are so close to our own that if you want to know where a good cave to sleep is, or where the most fish, berries, or honey are, ask the bears.

Let me explain: there is no difference, for scientists and naturalists between loving and respecting bears, or all animals, or nature. Nature is indeed indifferent, but this is in fact it's beauty and power, this is what demands respect, and awe, and overwhelming emotion. I actually see Treadwell and Herzog, in terms of thier ideas about nature, on exactly the same spectrum, the same set of concepts about it. Treadwel, if you read through his silly personality, wasn't a complete idiot. However, he did believe that nature had a personality he could relate to. It was nice, the bears were like him, etc. Herzog, in this quote and elsewhere is also attributing concepts familiar to the human world to bears and nature, at the same time as he tries to separate them. For him nature is "murderous," "bored," etc. But it is none of these things. It's neutrality (or indifference, but it is a true indifference: it is neutral) is beyond the aversions or fetishes that urban people, Herzog and Treadwell respectively, have for it. Because one guy put himself in harms way, living out of sync with the ways that people have lived with the natural world for centuries (remember the Native American museum curator), it doesn't mean that the opposite is true.

Loving and respecting nature means understanding your relationship to it, which most of the time means distance, which is where Treadwell went wrong. But Herzog is also misunderstanding here. One thing this movie made me think about a lot is the way that in our culture we are obsessed with "possessing" the things we love, respect, or interested in. Treadwell was not a man of the woods by any stretch, or a scientist. Perhaps if he was (and maybe not) he would've understood that liking something, or even having it "save you" (which the bears did do for him, but that's another thing) does not have to mean that you are supposed to go out and "get it." He did not need to be close to the bears in order for them to bring him joy or fulfillment or anything, because our instinct to possess the things we love (or whatever) is not always leading us in the rigth direction. At the same time, I read Herzog's comments here as basically going on the same assumptions: we cannot "posssess" the bear, go out and touch it, relate to it (though he's wrong there, biologically we can indeed relate to the bear, and historically) it must be so foriegn that we can have no relation to it. Its indifference to us becomes a bad thing, it makes it cold and murderous. Both of there conceptions are based on a human-centric model of what's important, what's "interested," and what's good. Both are wrong.

I thought he was completely objective up until that quote and the other one you didn't mention (about it being "murderous"), and his comments as a filmmaker were far more insightful. It''s at those two points that this fails as a documentary for me. He at least shows Treadwell as the extremely complex person that he is, which was really great...

I'm not sure Herzog wouldn't agree completely.

I think he's reading too much into what Herzog said. He's saying that Herzog was making a value judgement by calling the bears "bored," but his actual point was that there's no value judgement to be made. The point of that speech was that Treadwell himself saw too much in the bears, when in fact all there is is the indifference (or neutrality) of nature. At no point does this become a "bad thing." I can't imagine that Herzog thinks badly of the bears.

Thoughts?

the ODD straight-to-camera style of the coroner in Grizzly Man

VS

the ODD straight-to-camera style of...pretty much everyone in The White Diamond.

Of course, he says nearly the same things in The Grizzly Man, but there's a difference. Watching Fitzcarraldo, one could end up with either cosmology: Kinsky's eros or Herzog's thanatos. But in The Grizzly Man, the dice is loaded. Possibly the first documentary I've watched that qualifies as a full-on horror film.

The coroner was awesome, especially with J. Random Deadperson who was forced to be in the movie under a blanket. I kinda wanted a follow-up documentary about him.

I found it haunting and disturbing to watch--the guy was like a real-life Don Quixote, projecting a total fantasy (himself as 'Guardian of the Wild') onto a blank slate (the bears). I think the true shallowness of his 'respect and awe of Nature' comes out in one particular scene. He is distressed at a cute 'n' cuddle fox, and
curses the fly that lands on the fox' eye: "Not while I'm around. Show some respect, fucker." Um, that's what flies do. That's what Nature is about.

Something George Carlin once said, that I couldn't help but think of when watching this film: " 'Save the Planet'? The planet is fine...the people are fucked up!"

Er, should say "He is distressed at a cute 'n' cuddly dead fox"...

I don't imagine that he was thinking about much other than the fact that he was about to be killed by the bear! Do you think that he was even self-aware enough to have those regrets?

I think you might be oversimplifying here, perhaps -- you might be right, but he might also have understood that and been upset and lashing out at whatever is handy anyways, or he might have been upset because, in part of his mind at least, the whole thing is being filmed, and the fly might have wrecked (in TT's mind) the shot.

Maybe 'thoughts' isn't the right word I'm looking for; obviously, the big thing that would be going through his head is fighting off the bear and staying alive. I mean more the from-the-gut, "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"-like affective impulse where the history of 13 years flashes before your eyes in a second or two. Assuming the bear didn't knock him unconscious instantly (which it didn't, because he was warning his girlfriend to run), I think that something like that might have occured (though maybe I'm wrong).

Would that gut-level, 13-years-in-a-few-seconds impulse be "This was a huge mistake and I am not a bear" (in the way that extreme traumas like that can make an illusion come crashing down instantly), or would it be a playing out of the fateful resignation he displays on his videos ("If it happens, it was meant to be, I accept it, etc."). I don't know if I'm making any sense...Of course, no one will ever know except Treadmill.

Anyway, a tragic story...

another pointed/pointless debate around the old hoemstead.

Brokeback Mtn with bears? hahaha more like My Dinner W/Andre with bears.

His ex-girlfirend was an oddball, maybe that's why I couldn't take my eyes off her? And why did Tim keep his current girlfriend under wraps/off camera most of the time? Because he was such a narcissist?

He's quite clearly all of these things. That couldn;t really be what the argument was about. Something else must be provoking your sense of what's provocative.

By which I mean, obviously you hate fags.

I don't think so. Herzog reports that she still hasn't listened to it, but has at least gotten it out of her living reoom. It's in a safety deposit box somewhere.

See, I don't see that at all. I personally would never, ever, ever listen to such a thing, Herzog's warning or not. There are some things you don't need too many details of. "Eaten by a bear" tells you more than you wanted to know already, especially if the guy was a friend of yours.

wtf

Very true. I was pretty impressed at the astonishing quality of his amateur footage...I wonder what kind of camera did he have? That whole Alaskan landscape, there's something almost heavenly about it visually (I'm sure the reality probably wasn't quite so hot, with all the mosquitoes, etc.). But you can see what drew him to that area.

Treadwell and Huguenard ended up being killed by a new bear in the neighborhood, not the bears that were used to them, so in fairness to Treadwell, maybe there was some sort of detente.

I am personally amazed that he managed to beat the odds for 13 years. I guess the bears just really habituated to him (and were well-compensated with other sources of food)...

Finally, I knew right away that the bumblebee wasn't dead.

That was a beautiful image. You can see why Herzog took to Treadwell's footage; the improvised, natural moments of it is so much like what's in his films.

Absolutely OTM

Jewel explained that although Timothy was not afraid of dying out there, he did not *want* to die. And someone else concurred, saying that Treadwell knew that if a bear did kill him, that the bear would then be hunted down and killed...and the last thing he'd want would be a bear being killed.

Jewel said that she did not destroy the tape, but she had not listened to it. (Nor, we might guess, had she read The DaVinci Code.)

In response to suggestions that Timothy was responsible for Amy's death, people pointed out that it was her third summer with Timothy and the grizzlies and that she was no stranger to camping and such (but also that she loved Timothy.)

Jewel also pointed out that Timothy and the forest service had a better relationship than what was implied by Timothy's swearfest - he apparently would share info with them, but he probably also feared them because they could forbid him to be so close to the bears (regulations require staying a certain distance away from them).

There was some footage not included in the film where Jewel and the pilot see the carcass of a poached bear - apparently, there were 6+ bears poached in the year after Timothy's death. They felt that the film dismissed poaching as a real problem.

did you catch that one super-8 shot of "nick's pansy farm" when his parents are talking about his upbringing?

Yeah... he seemed to have a genuine rapport with the foxes that he lacked with the bears, who seemed to at best tolerate him because he was weird.

The film is great and Treadwell's footage was great, but I left the cinema knowing very little more about bears than when I went in. I don't know if this is a result of how the footage was edited together - to focus on Treadwell rather than the bears - or maybe Treadwell wasn't really that interested in what bears were really like.

"zese DELUDED animals, marching blindly zey not where, in a universe of chaos, pain and death..."

(this is not my own joke sadly)

(when mark kermode wz interviewin herzog for telly recently, an outdoor interview somewhere, someone SHOT him -- just randomly, w.an air pellet, in the leg -- i blame one of k.kinski's ten thousand children)

what part of "BEARS ARE BIG AND WILL EAT YOU" do you not understand?!

mark there's also this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/wheel/la-et-joaquin3feb03,0,6696363.story?coll=la-news-local-wheel

It is titled 'Grizzly Man,' dude.

yeah I was surprised absolutely no-one else seemed to mention this either. it's obviously part of herzog's take on treadwell. whether it's fair or accurate is hard to say I guess.

this is of course why herzog is so awesome! (and funny!)

*drags titanic up over everest to make point*

i wondered about treadwell's survivalist skills. did he hunt and fish at all? or did he just bring a summer's worth of granola bars and beans with him to alaska?

oh right
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/66/197232713_94686865c2_o.png

i'm watching the documentary about the soundtracking session that's included on the dvd now. man, that's a tough gig, doing improv while werner herzog sits there and says "no, that's not right, it must be modeefied" and "the percussion must be restrained, or else it sounds like the hippie stuff at golden gate park".

Yeah, but the final takes that he approves are so much better than the other takes. In other words, he's a master editor.

what does it add to have robots saying that?

haha I was about to ask pretty much exactly that, only I was going to be willfully impolite about it. So thanks from saving me from that. :)

i see only the overwhelming indifference of nature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

"...Herzog's European quasi-nihilism ("I think the common denominator of the universe is not harmony but chaos, hostility and murder")"

Luckily Herzog isn't a nihilist. He love people (in a really twisted way, maybe) AND the overwhelming indifference of nature. He's German, after all.

this film is way rad.

NEVER LISTEN TO DIS TAPE.

My wife and I say that to eachother all the time.

Werner Herzog is awesome.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Even_dwarfs_started_small_01.jpg
probably his most fucked up gem. (Auch Zwergen Haben Klein Angefangen)

love this movie

I saw even dwarves start small a few days ago and it may be my favorite herzog film

the day there are no more werner herzog films, I will be sad

the most amazing thing about Auch Zwergen is the part (probable more) when the blind dwarves start maniacally and dangerously swinging their sticks around. o_O

favourite herzog is stroszek

this film is rad tho

watched the one abt antarctica the other nite pretty sweet

crispin glover was kind of an asshole on the auch zwergen commentary track

watching My Best Fiend now.

Herzog is pretty much the coolest guy ever.

herzog shd remake march of the penguins!

"zese DELUDED animals, marching blindly zey not where, in a universe of chaos, pain and death..."

"With five thousand kilometres ahead of him, he's heading towards certain death..."

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this film is way rad.

NEVER LISTEN TO DIS TAPE.

― Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 19:55 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

My wife and I say that to eachother all the time.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 19:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark

haha me and my flatmate say this too constantly! "never listen to it, promise meee, never." "OKAY WERNER! I WON'T WERNER", "never, ever ever listen too eeet"

that tape and the secret sacred cave in the white diamond were totally herzog understanding that they were just more cinematicly potent concealed than revealed

the special feature on "the wild blue yonder" dvd about the making of the score IS SO AMAZING.

Pretty much all his commentaries to the dvd reissues are insightful, deep and funny.
Great ruminations on his love for Middle America, on being considered a "fascist" back in the 70's, on his total lack of any political/social/religious agenda (while been a thoughtful observer of societies and religions), on his hatred for cinéma-vérité and J.L. Godard.
The guy is an egomaniac totally devoted to his muse, in the most personal powerful and anti-academic way possible. A shame he never had the chance to shot Buechner's "Lenz".
By the way, I still think that his 1971 "Behinderte Zukunft?" is eerily prescient of some of the current bioethics issues.

Dwarfs was the first Herzog I saw. I love that film irrationally.

Still haven't seen Grizzy Man, it's on my to-do list tho. The only Herzog doc I've seen is Little Dieter Needs to Fly, which I adore.

Most of his documentaries are ace.
Personal faves are maybe "Die Große Ekstase des Bildschnitzers Steiner" (with extraordinary Popol Vuh soundtrack) and "Land des Schweigens und der Dunkelheit" but almost every one of them is great.

nice work, danski

What's the name of the one about the wacky Canadian whose life mission is to build bear-proof body armor? I always confuse its title with this one, but now I'm just drawin a blank.

That's the one.

I walked in on the scene where he and his buddies were in a diner with an acoustic guitar singing songs about grizzlies and was all 'lamest mockumentary ever!', until I realized it wasn't.

"When faced with the jeering and hollering of the 1,500 booing patrons who despised his Lessons of Darkness at the Berlin Film Festival, Herzog shouted back: "You are all wrong."

<3 <3 <3

From his "Minnesota declaration: truth and fact in documentary cinema":

The moon is dull. Mother Nature doesn´t call, doesn´t speak to you, although a glacier eventually farts. And don´t you listen to the Song of Life.

We ought to be grateful that the Universe out there knows no smile.

Life in the oceans must be sheer hell. A vast, merciless hell of permanent and immediate danger. So much of a hell that during evolution some species - including man - crawled, fled onto some small continents of solid land, where the Lessons of Darkness continue.

I think I told this story on another thread, but I love it:
I saw Grizzly Man at a pre-screening at The Museum of Natural History and there was a Q+A afterwards with Werner, Jewel and a badly mauled (by bear) bear expert.
Someone asked Werner what the point of the film was and Werner, not missing a beat, replied "What is the point of children?"

Also, if you haven't already:

SPONGE

herzog shd remake march of the penguins!

"zese DELUDED animals, marching blindly zey not where, in a universe of chaos, pain and death..."

(this is not my own joke sadly)

http://thequietus.com/articles/01523-herzog-s-encounters-at-the-end-of-the-world

"In another scene, Herzog is bored to tears talking to a penguin expert so he asks the seemingly flippant question, "Can a penguin go insane?""

loving this already

Watched this last night. Over-riding opinion = Treadwell was gay / transgender and repressed it so much that he went nuts and ran away to live with bears, which then ate him. His body language reminded me of nothing so much as a drag queen.

saw that antarctica doc the other day, it was awesome (of course)

this guy=total douche btw

I like how Herzog says "we only have two shots of Amie in his 100 hours of footage..." and whoops don't you know there she is in one of the final shots before they die.

probably the most telling detail for me was how he rearranged the river rocks to make it easier for the (nonexistent) salmon to swim down during the drought

Fuck
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265455/Bear-s-eating-me-girl-told-mum-in-call

wtf

Read that this morning gruesome.

Also, watched this movie a couple weeks ago for the first time. LOVE.

wouldn't dare to speak it in the documentary poll thread, but yes it's totally amazing.

I do like this movie a lot, although it fueled my phobia of bears. I was hyper paranoid about getting attacked by a bear when I was in Alaska.

wouldn't dare to speak it in the documentary poll thread, but yes it's totally amazing.

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It placed really highly and was one of my #1s. Fuck the haters imo. It rules.

that is the kind of news no one really needs to know about

His lengthy rant against the park service is so so bizarre.

why the fuck was that girl in bear country anyway

There's an interesting chapter about this movie in Dominic Pettman's book "Human Error"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/29/experience-i-punched-a-bear

Would not be surprised to learn that this guy became tiger food:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNCzSfv4hX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhac0bWENY

https://www.outsideonline.com/2396854/grizzly-mauling-yukon?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Timmy Treadwell's tiktok would have been intense

I saw this film when it was in the cinema over here. So not seen it in 19 years I think. & have it in an association complex with Into The Wild, the attack part of the Revenant and the Bill Bryson section on bears. Bryson talks about parents smearing peanut butter on kids hands to photograph bears licking it off. Had that running through my head recently for some reason.

Think I may need a rewatch.

I do remember the s/trk being notable. Hadn't been conscious of Jim O'Rourke being involved. But never got the CD. Was aware of it being an improvised set by Richard Thompson so an oddity of sorts possibly. Which had me thinking of the Dead Man s/trk which in my head was roughly contemporary Neil Young. Now seeing it was 10 years earlier. I may need a copy of the CD. Do like a bit of Thompson.

Yer in luck, No Quarter Records just recently reissued the soundtrack, well worth picking up:

https://richardthompson.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-grizzly-man