X Factor (UK 2005) - Who are these painful showoffs? : thread 1

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.. and will Wavis o'shave be this year's Rowetta?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

I've forgotten who won the last one.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

1-2-g-4 get with the wicked

― N_RQ, Friday, 19 August 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

~~Blur~~ Brookstein won the battle, ~~Oasis~~ G4 won the war.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

There are no winners here.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

umm,

1 Steve Brookstein Against All Odds Single Jan 2005
1 Steve Brookstein Heart And Soul Album May 2005

1 G4 G4 Album Mar 2005 Notes
9 G4 Bohemian Rhapsody Single Mar 2005

Close, and a cigar, but it goes to Steve. What does, I'm not sure.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

Not according to Cowell (or actual sales figures).

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

I love that some of most untalented people ever to walk the earth get all arsey when they get told that they are talentless. What the fuck is going on in their heads, does their mum not say “ c’mon love, I really don’t think you go on TV because you’re shite”?

Oh yeah, the G4 video for bohemian rhapsody where it all kicks off and the Vegas style chicks come on, man that’s terrible.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

And we're off.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

So far we've had a comedy Jew and a comedy Hispanic.

Brilliant.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

There's a lot more Top Shop indie types on this year. Too many.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, I'm the only person who cares this year.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

the self-delusion on offer on this show is FUCKING HILARIOUS. is it wrong that i take so much pleasure out of these people's misery?

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Self-delusion, or an easy way to get your mug on the TV, and a few follow-up interviews in the local newspapers?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

these people are not that smart. they don't have a plan to exploit the show. their belief in their own "talents" is so great, that they can't imagine why other people can't see it. what worries me most is that there's still people like this out there. 3 series of pop idol and the first series of this. and there's still these crazies coming out of the woodwork. what do these people do? where are they?

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

This guy is better than Jet.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

OMG TRANSVESTITE DAIRY FARMER WTF LOL!!!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

and he got through!!!

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

This Irish lad doing "Sacrifice" isn't too shoddy.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

decent enough voice, but i didn;'t think he was anything too special.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

singing "fings", rather than "things", detracted quite a bit

the last girl and her fiance and mum and sister were something else

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

where 'something else' = 'batshit insane'

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

top quality televisual entertainment. but i'd move if that family lived within a mile radius. fucking nutters.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

is anyone else watching "the xtra factor" on itv2?

i love the cowell. he talks all kinds of sense. these people need to be told the truth. they're all crazy. and most deserve a bullet between the eyes.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

what about the ghost of john lennon?

― koogs (koogs), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

I hate simon cowell

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Trevor to win!

But yeah, feeling inceasingly uncomfortable about the early stages of things like this, where people who quite clearly just aren't quite right, mentally, are stuck on telly for us to laugh at. I dunno, it just feels like it used to be loveable nutters who made up the numbers (like the john lennon guy), but now it seems more like we're being shown more people who are, say, autisitc (that lad Simon, who danced to javine) or severely traumatised (that last girl, who'd "failed at everything"), or...you know, other not-really-fit-for-light-entertainment things.

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

i do feel a little uncomfortable about laughing at these people's misfortunes. but then they say something really stupid. and i laugh. lots.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

will Wavis o'shave be this year's Rowetta?

..but do you love Wavis ?
Who remembers Wavis O'Shave?

Who is he then? And has he really entered?

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

damn, I hadn't noticed this was back.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Why does X Factor always make me weep uncontrollably?

― Cathy (Cathy), Saturday, 20 August 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Sorry if this goes into drunken rambling (I've been out) but what did peoples think of ginger 19 lady whose whole family were convinced she was the best thing ever? I sort of felt sorry for her because the entire famaley had were convinced this was her only chance.

I think what I'm saying is at this stage in the game there is an obvious desperation that I can laff at up to a point.

― fractal (fractal), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

"there's no sacrafice, when fings go wrong"

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 August 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

haha, RJG already mentioned the "fings". the guy wasn't Irish though. the whole ginger 19 year old with the wetlook frizzy perm and the drawn on eyebrows thing made me cringe. she looked like she was well into her 40s that girl. how do you get like that?

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 August 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

inbreeding? living close to overhead power lines? state education?

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Sunday, 21 August 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

x factor season 1?

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 21 August 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

will Wavis o'shave be this year's Rowetta?
..but do you love Wavis ?
Who remembers Wavis O'Shave?

Who is he then? And has he really entered?

A 'nutcase' character from way back, apparently auditioned in Newcastle (according to an e-mail he sentme) (so see next week I guess). Also apparently, did a 'straight' Steve Harley for "Stars in their eyes" a few years ago.

― mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 21 August 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

I love love love this show.

How did the John Lennon guy's machine work? Did he take the peaks and troughs from a waveform of Lennon's voice and transpose them over his own voice or what? His bit was mind-boggling anyway, loved how he got a bit stroppy when they said it was just his voice and not John's.

haha the 19yr old with the frazzled perm and the face of a 43yr old nan. That was incredible TV. How the family were all like "Well that's it. She's dead now. Nothing to live. Life ruined. She'll probably kill herself tomorrow." Her weedy fiancé going "I love you! I proper love you, that's why we're engaged!" and 19yr old let out a small sneer, like 'Whatever..' Xtra Factor had that great scene with her hard-faced sister going "Well they might not like her voice but they can't take away those gorgeous gorgeous looks..."

My other favourites were the truly creepy couple from Wakefield (Spirit & Destiny?): "They can change their mind, we'll stand us ground," and as gormless-grin guy was being dragged away yelling "Sing em another song, Della!" Awesome.

Depsite that, there's something a bit panto about this one, with Louis and Simon playing up more for the cameras. Like when Simon dragged the producer off for a bollocking and half-heartedly ordered the cameraman not to film them. Clearly, they have to put a few nonsense people through, to keep the entertainment values high for later episodes but Cowell also has to act all disgusted to keep with his image of 'the professional'. I'm already hating Walsh's cheeky imp persona - and when he was being told off by Simon, why didn't he say "I'm putting them through because they're funny and make for great TV," rather than just "I'm putting them through. I want to. That's why. I want to. I just do. I want to."

Minor gripe though, the rest of the show more than makes up for it. Sadly, we only have about 3 or 4 of these audition episodes until it gets boring and all the *real* singers/performers take over.

― Affectian (Affectian), Monday, 22 August 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

The 'professional' (i.e. pub entertainers that get paid for what they do) can be sooooooo...oooooooooo precious about themselves. The very idea that they might not be good enough ...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 August 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

Missed it this week, how did the Newcastle auditions go?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Missed it this week, how did the Newcastle auditions go?

Awesome. This bloke came in with a piano tie and all the spiel and sung halfway decent but Cowell told him 'you're destined to perform for the rest of your life to people holding peanuts.' Brutal haha. He got in a right strop.

― john clarkson, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

The 4 yr old kid who did his song and dance was pretty cute and funny (blinking, all confused, "Did I win? Yes? I won X-Factor!") but he's going to grow up to be a prize bell-end.

Simon Cowell never goes into specifics.
Cowell: Your dress is terrible.
Wounded punter: *sob* What's wrong with it?
Cowell: It's hideous.
[edit]
It's annoying.

Amusing how when someone walks in who has clearly put through as a joke, Cowell sighs and spits "Go on then.."

ITV2 might be ITV1's poor cousin but surely they can do better than that awful awful Ben (Sharp?). He's like an entire series of Two Pints Of Lager And A Packet Of Crisps rolled into one insufferably smug and punchable host. And Katie Thornton isn't much better. Charlie Brooker's comment about BB's Saskia also applies: "She has a face that could advertise war."

― Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

The sequence with the guy with the piano tie was hilarious, especially his rant at the end with Cowell doing "you haven't", "you didn't" asides throughout.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

bizarrely, the frizzy ginger 19yo from episode one is on the cover of womans mag Reveal having had a makeover.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Does she look human yet?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

i've just seen the TV ad for it, she looks... madeover!

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Simon should have a hangover much more often. It increases his offhand cruelty to the power of ten.

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't help look at Reveal in the supermarket last night.

IF YOU ACKOWLEDGE THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT YOU MUST ALWAYS HAVE KNOWN YOU LOOKED AWFUL, YOU DOZY COW.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

This week, someone begged Sharon, who let him through. And now he's on This morning, and someone has offered him a record deal.

Who are these labels? How long do they last?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 September 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Here’s me spending 12 years playing guitar and being in bands thinking that’s how you get signed.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

What was it Simon Cowell said to some poor girl last week? Something like "You wouldn't win the X Factior, even if you were the only person in the competition".

Simon was being quite nice to everyone last week, and it was Louis Walsh who was being a meanie.

― C J (C J), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

xpost it probably was, twelve years ago...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Maybe fate had more sensible plans for me like a mundane office job.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

arr ditto.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone see the 16 year old who was at drama school, why on earth did her mum take her down there? Louis was a little harsh laughing at her, but she was shite.

The barthelona girl was excruciating and funny to watch, it was worse than the office dance sketch.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

16-year old's Mum (before the audition) : "She doesn't just HAVE the x-factor, she IS the x-factor".

― C J (C J), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

does that mean Cowell owns her?

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

does any1 know wavis o shave's e-mail address

― Nathan Whale, Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

it's on the other thread.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

I felt sorry for the trio. The obese girl had a really nice voice, but it was obvious the other two were uh... superfluous and the obese girl only had an XL-factor. :-( Still I think she should've gone through.

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Monday, 12 September 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

How about that absolutely stunning girl with a pretty good voice who they basically rejected for being a bit nervous?

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Monday, 12 September 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

Does no-one watch this anymore? (i'm watching the repeat of last night's show right now, and cannot get over how wrong-headed the judges are being - oh, she forgot the words, couldn't be arsed learning the song, couldn't hold a tune, has no confidence, but, hey, she *needs* this, let's put her through at the expense of people who, you know, did what was asked of them).

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 2 October 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm watching - I don't think there are any rules as to why they should put someone through or not, and I didn't think they got much wrong, except Sharon, who I thought was spectacularly wrong in a couple of cases.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 2 October 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

I don't think there are rules either, and I only saw Sharon and Simon's bit. My problem is why they bother getting them to sing for survival, as it were, when they are then going to just ignore the performance on the grounds that they just like the people (Sharon with that crap Jamie-Theakston-a-like indie-man-at-TopShop and her with the big hair that forgot all the words/tune/etc, Simon with those annoying screechy ones that did "Never Ever").

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 2 October 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, I don't know if they are entirely ignoring the performances - I assume that they are seeing something in them that they think they can shape into a potential winner. I do occasionally suspect that the judge is overly influenced by fancying contestants.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 2 October 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

saw sharon's bit, with her glum face, saying "but I've made a decision, anyway... ... ... ... ... ... ... I'm sorry, to have to tell you, ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... (look of anguish/a tear from contestant) ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... you're one of my final seven (while shaking head, until contestant realises (supposed to be) what she has said)"

over and over

boring as fuck

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 2 October 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

if sharon had done her job right she would have had an all black section. i still like her most in spite of this.

xp yes i hate all this pause for the entire programme before telling them they are in pish.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 2 October 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

Sharon is the only judge I really dislike.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 2 October 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

walsh is the only one i really dislike.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 2 October 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Louis is such a rubbish old fart. Simon's pretty funny and generally right, and Sharon's just fantastic at dealing with people (the way she got rid of that stroppy old minger was brilliant).

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Sunday, 2 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

I was amazed, given the way he pushed the blind guy last year to exploit the disability angle, that Louis turned down Daniel this year.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

Daniel, nice chap but close your eyes and he wasn;t sensational.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

I agree, but Louis pushed the disabled card extensively last year so I'm surprised he didn't do it again.

I'd say publicly that Sharon is utterly clueless, but I'm afraid she'll pay someone to throw eggs at me.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 3 October 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

What, the same Sharon who said "Hostility won't get you anywhere" to the strange woman on Saturday? I think her Sharon's Dad would be turning in his grave.

And I can't let this go - what the fudge was Chico doing in the last 7? Apart from the obvious fact that Ms Osbourne seems to be a sucker for a 'brown nose'.

― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Monday, 3 October 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

for me it's time to turn off when they show signs of talent, i only like watching the idiots & tone deaf.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 3 October 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

The most baffling thing was Sharon's show of solidarity with the older black woman (Brenda?) over poverty as a child and continuing struggles.

That's right Sharon, because Sharon's Dad wasn't really quite wealthy when you were growing up at all, was he? I mean, you could only afford a handful of servants, bodyguards etc.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 3 October 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

"sometimes... all i need is the air that i breeve"

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

at least Górecki is getting some money from this show.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Louis' group is far and away the least interesting, and I don't think that's purely a coincidence.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

ha, just watching last night's. "Louis knows what he's doing, and he's got his plans. Also, God knows what he's doing and he has his plans for all of us." I was thinking 'Does God know what he's doing even more than Louis Walsh? And if their plans are different, who will win?'

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 9 October 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Louis made a big mistake letting that 16 yr old black kid go. He was a vote magnet and made me cry once.

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

Also, I adore Sharon, I'm becoming less allergic to Simon Cowell (this is worrying me) but I detest ferret-faced Walsh.

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

Louis let that kid go? What a tool! He brought out my maternal instincts, and I'm a bloke.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Laura OTM. it should have been the wee guy rather than Lemar-without-the-voice (or talent). i didn't like either of them, as it happens, but Walsh is more guilty than any of them of choosing the guys he fancied. the problem with the groups section in the x factor is that groups in real life are actually people who play instruments and write songs rather than groups of 3 or 4 people who just sing songs.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Lara, not Laura. sorry L!

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Is Louis gay?

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

the problem with the groups section in the x factor is that groups in real life are actually people who play instruments and write songs rather than groups of 3 or 4 people who just sing songs.

But the target demographic is surely people who like pretty faces who can sing a song, i.e. yer Westlife, Boyzone, S Club etc market. X Factor groups are therefore going to follow that model rather than them trying to uncover the new Coldplay/Franz Ferdinand/Kaiser Chiefs etc. Because pretty faces singing songs nicely = spin off merchandising to gullible tweenies = lots of money for Messrs Cowell, Walsh etc.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

yeah your right, it's not a problem just something i find a bit strange.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Going back to the old-fashioned "talent shows" - Opportunity Knocks, New Faces, even more recent incarnations like The Big Big Talent Show or whatever that horrible thing that spawned Charlotte Church was, have any groups who actually play their own instruments or write their own songs ever won any of these things either? Did they even get on them?

I'm guessing it's just not the format for them.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

yeah you're right, i don't find it strange after all :D

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

No, I wasn't having a go at you, I'm now just wondering out loud why "proper" groups don't have a go at this. Last year the criticism was that the Tabby supporters didn't like him so much as the songs he chose, and that would seem to be the case since his "career" seems to be over before it even started. He was a man with a guitar who probably could write a song or two.

Then there's the total failure of singer-songwriters David Sneddon and Alex Parks to set the world on fire also. Yet singing clothes-horses like Girls Aloud, Liberty X etc continue to flourish (I'm leaving Will Young and Darius out of this since they slightly ruin my line of argument by actually writing their own songs).

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Girls Aloud have made more good singles in the last few years than any band I can think of who write their own songs (I guess I'd accept the Sugababes as a counter-argument, but I don't know if they ever play the music).

Walsh is more guilty than any of them of choosing the guys he fancied

You're kidding - by far the least talented person in the last 12 is the guy who pulled his shirt off and got his jeans all wet, in Sharon's group. I can't imagine any possible reason for his getting through other than sex appeal.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

I love Girls Aloud, don't get me wrong, but they won because they can carry other people's tunes and look nice and dance a bit, remember, not because of any actual real musical talent. I'm just wondering if anyone has had a career out of a TV talent show that involved musical and song-writing talent rather than being attractive and able to just sing.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

true and i can imagine even the gullible british public finding him more repulsive/embarrassing than sexy.

yeah even if you like GA you must admit that they are almost completely talentless.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

I think songwriting is less of a performative talent; also, I think the broader public don't much care who writes the songs or plays the instruments as long as they like what they hear.

As for GA, I wouldn't be inclined to be so dismissive of being able to sing and dance and look good, in that some people (me very much included) can't do any of those things, and they are things I like in my pop stars. However, I am of course aware that plenty of other people make colossal contributions to their records, as with the Monkees, Shangri-Las, Frank Sinatra, Bobby Bland and countless others. That's okay with me.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Where have I been dismissive? All I've said is that it's different from being able to write songs and play instruments. I've never said one was better than the other, just that one seems to be more conducive to winning TV talent shows. Like what Girls Aloud did.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

well i'm stragely addicted to these shows even though i've never liked any of the end-product-music much, including Girls aloud (nor do i find them good singers, good looking or good dancers but i don't mind if anyone else does). maybe that's why i don't mind sharon choosing chico since it's an entertainment show which is unlikely to produce anything which will hold my attention after the last episode.

xp i think martin was saying i was being dismissive.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was - I think 'completely talentless' overstates it - though I don't mean to make big claims for their singing, dancing or sex appeal, really, and I'm not inclined to imagine that the records would have been significantly less good if numbers 6-10 had formed the group rather than numbers 1-5 in the voting.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

The most confusing thing about Sharon picking Chico is that he has exactly the same perma-grin that she slagged Steve off for every week last year. The footage of Chico in the studio on Xtra Factor was painful - he couldn't carry a tune in a bucket.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

2 hours is pushing it -- the second hour was *just* them being told if they were in or out, and the frequent ads are bookended by 'what's coming up' bits which are the same each time. there's not enough there there.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Sharon picked Chico because she thought he'd be 'entertaining'.

I liked that 16-year-old kid Trevor. Shame he was sent home.

― C J (C J), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

i didn't like the 16-year-old so much, i think louis was wise. he was a young 16. i only like the show for the shit-stirring. i think people are being unfair about girls aloud. i mean the obvious reason people who write their own songs don't apply is that the end product is supposed to be a pliable group who will produce hit records on a quarterly basis and tour like crazy before the publicity runs out. only if the band 'catches', as has happened with girls aloud and *maybe* liberty x (who have gone dud) will their contracts be renewed.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

I think Louis was being quite human about not choosing the two young kids. It's way too big for them, and they have got plenty of time to 'make it' without 'giving them the opportunity to blow it'.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

louis's residence was more appealing than simon's or sharon's. [sidebar: who was sharon's dad?]

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

[Don Arden, who used to manage Black Sabbath. They didn't get on.]

Chico will bare his chest at every opportunity and get voted off in the second public vote cos the public will only take one chest-baring.

― beanz (beanz), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

I love Brenda. What a personality,so genuine and has a good voice. Brenda to win

― Ben Apthorpe, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

have we ever worked out why ALL groups on X Factor have terrible names? Is there some kind of rule? Half of them could be the next name for Glen Ponder's house band on Knowing Me, Knowing You.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 22 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I noticed that. I mean, 4tune, gimme a break. It's "The Be Sharps" Syndrome.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

They're not quite as bad as last year's names though, "The Be Sharps" has twice as many entendres as G4. There was "Two 2 Go" last year too. Although that BitchFactor blog was right about Journey South sounding like a gay porn road trip movie.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Eskimo Bonde!

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I am surprised 4tune are in the bottom two - I thought there were at least three or four much worse.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

And Sharon, after the worst drama queen performance ever on the show, makes a decision again on sentiment only.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

i'm surprised that both of those were in the bottom. i think sharon made the right decision. what's Louis doing with this guy Philip? he was a scruffy guy with quite a husky voice (quite interesting and different though only as far as this particular competition is concerned) that Louis has blanded out and buffed all the edges off of to make him as dull as possible. The four Irish girls and Lemar-without-the-talent are the worst, imo.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

i wish some vocal coach would tell this guy Shane to pronounce "th-" words properly, it's not "fings", son, and neither is it "breeve". again Louis is doing his utmost to make this guy as dull as possible. more Timberlake less Westlife please.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

sharon made the right decision. the idiots in my office like andy for fuck's sake.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

What one's Andy? The bin-man? I was liking the Bryan Adams Clones on saturday, yum yum.

Brenda to win!!!!

― Rumpie, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

yeah, andy is the binman, the one who can't stop going on about how he's a binman.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

i thought shenai (sp) was ok. better than nicholas anyway. wtf @ the conway sisters still being in.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 7 November 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure Andy has some sick evil badguy past, no one can be *that* perfect for this type of show. (doting dad, his mother just died, binman for 20 yrs, etc.) When they're all mugging for the camera on X-tra Factor (ie. throwing paper airplanes at the cameraman, etc, Andy does go a touch too far, a bit more nuts than the others and it's a bit uncomfortable to watch.

Don't care who wins this year, maybe dear old Brenda but I doubt I'd buy any of their records.

Please GA, respond to Cowell's throwdown and sing live and do that jerky Biology dance at him.

― Affectian (Affectian), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Nicholas is awful, Conway Sisters are worse. Shayne is a shoo-in to win this but Louis Walsh should be shot for making him sing Bryan Adams' "Summer of 69"- wtf is that about?! I'd like Brenda to win.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Maria feels a bit too 'pro' to win, perhaps.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Take away Nicholas, the Conway Sisters and Chico and the rest are much of a muchness. I know Shayne is the obvious answer because of his teen appeal but if Louis keeps hampering him with poor song choices I could see him struggle.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

you *like* Nicholas, the Conway Sisters and Chico?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

Maria was marvellous on Saturday. I've only watched it the last two weeks. Journey South were pretty good too.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

Last week when the Conway Sisters were in the bottom two and were waiting to do the final sing-off, the look on that lead singer-girl's face was priceless - she's a pouty, petulant little madam when things don't go her way, by the looks of it.

I like Journey South a lot, but they won't win.

― C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

i dislike journey south.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

I didn't especially like them myself but I thought they maybe had THE X FACTOR.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Conway Sisters were totally baffling. I thought Simon Cowell was unsentimental about singers' looks. They looked ropy as hell and would surely never make it for that reason. Bring back the Nolans.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

simon and louis are choosing bad songs. wtf were the conways singing on saturday?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Something shouty to disguise the fact that they can't really sing very well.

― C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

The way Louis leapt on it as a chance to get back at Simon was pathetic, though. I didn't think it was that bad a song. Some of their harmonies were good.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

"one Voice" by Barry Manilow.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Journey South: I tuned in just as they were getting big appreciations from the judges for doing a totally acoustic performance.

My guess: Did they do "More than words"? If not, what?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

you *like* Nicholas, the Conway Sisters and Chico

Sorry, that was meant to read that they're the three weakest and everybody else has as much chance of winning as each other.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Journey South did "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and made a pretty good stab at it. i'd never liked them before that.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

i'm sure they have done 'more than words' at some point.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

xpost now I am fairly impressed. Something away from the usual canon anyway.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

I assumed somebody had played Simon (or whoever actually handles his acts) the Johnny Cash version, to be honest.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

worst decision ever. Louis, you're a CUHNT.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Err yeah. Why the fuck did they do that?

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 13 November 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

They kicked out the best one. I think Simon wanted to kick out his group but felt morally obliged not to.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Sunday, 13 November 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

agreed. i was half expecting simon to go against the grain but, alas...

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

My guess is that Louis thinks his acts stand a better chance of winning if he leaves in the rubbish act and takes the opportunity to eject someone with actual potential who went for a very wrong song this week.

Yes, I had the impression that Simon gave it a moment's thought...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 November 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

gbp not ready for a black woman singing 'brown sugar'? for shame.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

ridiculous

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

i agree. i thought she did a good job of it and it's an interesting song for a black woman to sing, as enrq suggests. she's always claimed she was more Tina Turner than modern pop princess. i suspect she was in the bottom 2 only because she was first on.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

i thought she was great. i think louis thought in these terms: simon cannot go down to one contestant now, and maria could easily be a success without this competition. also what sharon said. there's still no excuse, maria was the best performer out of that contest.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

I liked her all through the series and thought she gave some terrific performances, but thought she was very poor on Brown Sugar - maybe not poorer than the Conway Sisters and obviously better than Chico, but it didn't much surprise me that she was in the bottom two.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

let's not forget, of course, that Louis is the man behind Westife so he probably DID prefer the conways.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

It was wrong.

Last week they saved "Craig David"
This week they saved "The Coors"

Is it just me, or are they getting shot of the acts that have some sort of individual personality?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

i think brenda needs to stop doing soul standards.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Simon says he regrets his decision, surprise surprise.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

jed it's Simon behind Westlife and Louis anti-Conways no?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

eh?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

dunno. Louis is the Westlife manager though, i think.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Simon said on the Xtra Factor immediately afterwards that he'd learned a lesson and now on he would quite happily send his own act home.

I think, to give him the benefit of the doubt, he played the loyalty card (having had it questioned earlier on) safe in the knowledge that there was no way anyone other than a tone-deaf twat could have preferred the Conway Sisters. If only he'd remembered who else was on the judging panel.

Ben Shephard made a point of asking Sharon what made this different from saving Chenai (against 4Tune) "because she was a woman". Unsuprisingly the thug's daughter couldn't answer.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

"thug's daughter"?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

chenai was better than 4tune.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

sorry yes. Cowell signed Westlife but Louis manages them.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

aha.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

it's all so incestuous this music biz.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

is there anything in the idea of people not bothering to vote for the likes of maria because "it's obvious she'll go through"?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

"thug's daughter"?

Yes, Shar0n's d4d is the extremely litigous (hence L337 g00glepr00fing) and EXTREMELY VIOLENT chap D0n 4rd3n.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2005521174,00.jpg
We go Way back ... Louis with the sisters at the 2003 wedding

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

motherfucker.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

i like the idea that he would've been pilloried and maybe even lynched back home had he not voted them through.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

"thug's daughter"?
Yes, Shar0n's d4d is the extremely litigous (hence L337 g00glepr00fing) and EXTREMELY VIOLENT chap D0n 4rd3n.

-- aldo_cowpat (aldo.cowpa...) (webmail), Today 12:40 PM. (later) (link)

Yes, but totally given over to alzheimer's so you are now safe.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

I'll play it safe rather than risk the Stigwood treatment, if it's all the same to you.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

no-one in my office knows what the lyrics to 'brown sugar' are about.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

i hadn't seen Nicholas before but he was qutie poor up against the everpoor Conways. then when Sharon booted him off and they showed previous performances he was actually good (in the 'as much as Lemar' sense) and putting much more power into his soul voice. all the more suspicious, esp. as the Conways hit a couple of bum notes again and only one of them seems to have a voice approaching decent.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

i think the conways were better this time, but usually nicholas is a bit better than that. not much though.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

Nicholas was worn out.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, I've never saw any of this before but I caught the end of it, the guy was flat ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SONG - I had to turn it over I couldn't bear to listen to it - and I find myself thinking if he was one of the finalists what the fuck were the people who never reached this stage like!??!?!?!?

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

it's so fucking retarded that maria went out, i dunno why i still watch it.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

The only decent performance from Nicholas was the one at the first audition, since then he's been getting poorer by the week. To be honest, he probably should have gone the week he was up against Chenai but I was so pleased to see the fat-tongued whiner go I wasn't bothered.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

Is it true Louis Walsh has quit?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

What's this about louis quitting?? I saw the headline on the front of tomorrow's Sun (or maybe Mirror) at the end of tonight's Newsnight, but they didn't refer to it, and I've not been able to find anything about it anywhere else yet...

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

(ooh, xpost)

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

From Sky News Active:

He is quitting the show after being called am "idiot" by Simon Cowell.

Walsh said: "I have been totally humiliated and undermined by both of them...I'm not putting up with it any more."

Cowell begged him to stay saying: "I've been called all sorts of things but I have taken it in the spirit it was meant. I have known Louis for years. I know what a success is."

Sharon also urged Walsh to return, saying she liked and respected him. She was shocked and saddened by his departure.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, publicity stunt to regain the viewers currently choosing "Strictly Come Dancing" - watch on Saturday to see if Louis turns up? Surely not.

― cynical ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha, the ironing - "I have been totally humiliated and undermined" - don't dish out what you can't take, tosser. This show's whole premise is being mean to people who aren't as great as they think they are for the gratification of the viewing public. Why stop at the contestants?

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

i wonder...

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

he'd probably be sued for breach of contract, so my guess is the lou-man witll be there on saturday.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

They're running out of publicity stunts. Pouring water over each other is boring and doesn't make headlines. They'll have to execute the losers each week to keep people watching.

― beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

I thought the viewing figures were pretty healthy?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Don't they have a midweek controversy every week?

― beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

In a series of text messages to Radio One reporter Dominic Byrne, Walsh said he "did walk" but later added he "hopes to be there on Saturday".

― beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Songlist for Saturday:

Groups

Journey South
'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For' - U2

Conway Sisters
'Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now' - Starting Line

16-24s

Shayne
'I Believe In A Thing Called Love' - The Darkness

25 and overs

Brenda
'I Will Always Love You' - Whitney Houston

Andy
'I Have Nothing' - Whitney Houston

Chico
'Billy Jean' - Michael Jackson

Ummm... Shane to go?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

wow, what a totally unexpected choice from journey south

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

They did it at boot camp as well, I think.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Never mind all that, what's the Whitney queue for?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Sharon wouldn't let Andy sing "One Way Ticket To Hell And Back" so he went for the next best thing.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Conway Sisters vs Chico in the bottom two, I think, though that is an insane choice by Shayne. He'll be fine - I'd guess that he or Andy will win this.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 24 November 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Journey South
'Candle in the Wind' - Elton John
'Bad Day' - Daniel Powter

Andy
'When I Fall In Love' - Nat King Cole
'Easy Lover' - Phil Collins

Shayne
'Careless Whisper' - George Michael
'Take Your Mama Out' - Scissor Sisters

Brenda
'I'll Never Fall In Love Again' - Dionne Warwick
'I'm Outta Love' - Anastacia

Chico
'Time Warp' - The Rocky Horror Picture Show
'I Feel Good' - James Brown

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

pffffft.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Bye bye Chico.
Last week, Simon let slip that Chico was consistently in the bottom 3. For second last: Andy's probably safe with NKC but Phil Collins could be a mistake. Brenda could go either way but she's improving so I'd back her this week. Might depend on likeability. JS and Shayne safe I expect.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

hope they lose chico. or andy. or journey south.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I'd like Brenda to win but it won't happen

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Is Shayne trying to tell us something?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Possibly, although maybe Louis chose them

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Chico has to go now, in that there are no rubbishy acts to be a buffer. Can anyone imagine being excited by any records by any of the remaining five? Perhaps I'm just being cynical and forgetting apathy towards say the women who are now Girls Aloud.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 2 December 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Shayne but I can see him doing ok. Would be surprised if he does anything interesting musically obv

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 2 December 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

brenda getting booted is a disaster. the final is sure to be a lot less interesting now.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

So, its between Sha(y)ne, Journey South, and Andy.

I'm not that bothered.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Andy should have gorn.

― C J (C J), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

yeah, even my mum's admitted he's gone crap.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

brendan

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 12 December 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Journey South eliminated in the first stage of the final, at last. It's not a bad last two, though I can't say I am excited to hear the first single by the winner - they are about to each perform the same song. There seems only the tiniest possible range of songs that would be good choices for both of them, so I am pessimistic.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

It's another tedious 'reach for your dream' ballad, slightly more Andy's territory by virtue of being old-fashioned, at a guess, but it wouldn't do anyone any favours.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

hello martin :)

if find it hard to beileve there's really 0.25% of difference in the votes. shayne's gotta win this, surely?

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

that was definatley a damp squib.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

terrible song - shayne did well with it.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

haha, "I would hate to be the public tonight" - Sharon.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Shayne is the one with the potential, yes - Andy has sounded like another Steve from the start. Very good, and more or less my kind of singer, but a Xmas hit and vanishing is what I'd expect. Shayne could be a real star, but that depends on having material not at all like this first single.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

actually, you'd have some options with Shayne - I think you could push him to a Justin Timberlake territory or a Robbie Williams one. Both need really good songwriters and producers, of course.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

It's Shayne, on a close vote, they say.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 17 December 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

"you may have been a bin man but you are certainly.... not rubbish" !!!

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 17 December 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

my office is playing up the 'shayne's dad is a rapist' angle. i thought he earned the win.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

Shayne's a good-looking lad, and he does seem to be able to sing so I guess he deserved to win. I'm sorry that Journey South came third, because I think they would have been worthy second-placers.

The interviews with Shayne's family in the pod were interesting - what was that his brother was saying? Something about 'you weren't always such a good lad but things have turned out okay now', which sort of intimated that Shayne might have had a run-in (or two) with the law himself.

― C J (C J), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

i thought shayne and maria were the series' best bets to be any good as pop stars, so it was a result.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

A source said: "They were baying for his blood. He tried to be the big man by telling inmates he was in for an axe attack.

"But once everyone found out he raped an old woman, they were furious. Ward is living in constant fear for his life."

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

X Factor 'celebrity' special will air on 29 May. It will feature Jade Goody, that woman who talks about poo a lot on You Are What You Eat, and the woman who played Dan's girlfriend in Hollyoaks, who can obviously hold a note as she had a top eight hit with Girl Thing in 2000. Girl Thing also recorded a version of Pure & Simple that made it onto an album in Asia, but the songwriters tossed it to Hear'Say before they could release it as a single in the UK.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 07:32 (twenty years ago)

No release date for the version of Pure & Simple sung by the kids outside the newsagents in Bermondsey as they happy-slapped Myleene Klass recently, then.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 07:36 (twenty years ago)

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