This is the thread where we talk about Roseanne.

TOO HOT

My favorite episodes are any of the ones having to do with Becky as an angsty teen, and also the one where they are trying to get a loan and Jackie talks about hauling meat.

and that darlene's boyfriend would wear Milk & Cheese and Sandman t-shirts.

The whole point of David is that he was so punchable; perfect partner for Darlene to dominate.

A favourite moment: Dan in jail, and Darlene is the one who turns up to bail him out. "I think we both knew it would come to this one day - but who would have guessed it would be this way round?" Her pleasure in every second, Dan's weary "Just get me out of here." Perfect. Also when she got her first period, and Dan has no idea what to say or do, and ends up punching her in the shoulder and saying "Way to go!"

Yes, I remember this was really significant at the time, as the show was debuting at a time when The Cosby Show was the most popular program in the U.S.

Also PP OTM about the set.

Roseanne: Well I don't want you to give him any grief about this, ya know, cause you could traumatize him and turn him into a serial killer!

Darlene: Well don't worry, how much damage could he do with only one free hand?

Also, in the one "morality" type episode they had, where Darlene is stuck with her slutty neighbor at a concert, and is offered pot by some guy in a leather jacket, I loved the self-awareness of her reply: "oh god, I feel like I'm in a really bad after school special".

The show got really horrible in the end, though. Too bad.

I remember this so clearly, it was one of absolutely one of my favorite moments of tv in my adolescence.

Trivia for "Roseanne"

# "Corn" (the vegetable) is shown or mentioned in every episode. (usually creamed corn)

# "Corn" (the vegetable) is shown or mentioned in every episode. (usually canned corn)

parsons

a couple of years ago, there was an article about her struggle with (multiple personality/disscoative(sp)/something else) and i kept thinking that one of the more fascinating things about both the special, that article, and the last season of roseanne (and really the wasteland that was post roseanne) was that she was one of the last few who got very rich very quickly, and didnt know what to do about it.

she doesnt have that meta/postmodern sheen of artifice, that training of how to live and what to do with fame, and its really weird, to watch roseanne, and see it in a meta way, see how its in a coded way, about figuring out how to deal with issues of public/private

the scene at her father's funeral, or some of the interactions with jackie, or how much she hates arnie, in some of those episodes, or jackie going to therapy, and its not the working class versmillitude of the early episodes, but its this bizarre document on fame...

i also found it really interesting that, everyone eventually got paired off, and for the last (3?) seasons they had no idea how to handle, what to do with dj.

(you can see similar issues from the beginning, of grace under fire, with brett butler, and it disintergrates sooner, but there are episodes, maybe a dozen or so, that are the best, most real things ever on television, a hyper, broken remix of roseanne)

Yeah! It was like she wrote most of it a couple of years ago and hadn't updated it yet.

It sure did get bad at the end, when they won the lottery, like they were selling out the whole point of the show to begin with.

i mean, i really can't get over the first and second seasons. just got the DVDs and i'm really, i've been transported to another place.

um...

one of the 1st comments on this thread was something about how roseanne isn't a good actress/comedian and how it's like dan's show. i couldn't disagree more! they're on equal ground. both so great. all of em. gushing, i know. the dvd menu screen is staring me in the face as i type! gg

http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2007/08/my_sex_tape.php

holy crap! (various posts)

http://perezhilton.com/?cat=316

Date: Aug 9, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: i wish that perez h.
Body: would sneak onto my land here, and then i could legally shoot him. I think i could lure him with promises of free lard cookies and chubby chasing gays who would actually want to let him gag on their knobs. He didnt get that my blogs were a joke, and then he didnt get that my intern thing was a joke either. How can you be gay and that dense? He may as well be an ignorant fat hillbilly…he has all the astute appreciation of irony and humor that they do. Gay guys should turn straight out of shame that he is one of their kind.

Date: Aug 9, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: i am not rosie odonnell
Body: and tired of people thinking i am. One, I am cute, two, i like guns and I am crazy not depressed. I am glad that whoopi got the job on the view and not me after all. She is perfect for that show… and like rosie she will talk about things that have nothing to do with working people, public schools, or unions, or how both parties are irrelevant to this country’s constitution. Plus, I would not be able to stop staring at Barbara Walters’ head the whole time. It is huge. she looks like mr. burns.

Date: Aug 9, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: posh spice looks
Body: like a ghoul dressed up like a drag queen.

Fuck yeah!

That Perez fellow seems quite irritating.

I just bought series 1 of Rosanne and it is definitely Classic.

There's a mid-point that I like the best, I couldn't say which season it is but it's when Darlene goes from sorta funny to completely awesome. Then Becky 2.0 shows up and it's kind of weird after that.

There are still many good bits from the Chalke era on, don't get me wrong, but Lecy Goranson was the truth.

why does it get weird with 2nd Becky? she was cute

darlene rocks

I think every boyfriend I've ever had has had Darlene pretty high up their crush list. This is fine by me, because Darlene was totally ace.

rly? that's awesome i didn't know straight boys liked darlene

Sarah Gilbert and her gf just had their second baby earlier this week!

that's awesome i didn't know straight boys liked darlene

cute, smart, and smart-assed? Oh, how little you understand straight boys. Of course we love Darlene.

=P

Wait - Darlene was cute? She was definitely smart and smart-assed but cute?

Oh, TOTALLY. Blew both Beckies out of the water. Personality goes a long way.

SO CUTE. but Becky 2 was hot

Whoa @ the GIS for Sarah Gilbert

Personality def goes a long way and don't get me wrong, I love me some Darlene but I just never thought she was particularly attractive.

Becky 1 was a better Becky and had the bitchy teenage girl shtick down but Sarah Chalke was definitely hotter.

hotttttttttt

darlene just lit up the room

with gasoline?

no in that screentalk talented actress way =)

Wiki tells me that Sarah has a new little girl named Sawyer, who is now 8 days old. Awwwwww.

^^ That'a what I said upthread although I didn't know her name. That's so cute!

So, Sara Gilbert is gay? How much hotter could she get for straight boys?

One of the most underrated white Bordeaux grapes and...oh, I thought this was the thread where we talk about Roussanne.

=/ =) o_O

Darlene is uber-hot, no question. Sarah Chalke never did anything for me. I know she's improved a lot since then, but when she was on Roseanne, she was easily the worst actor on the show. It wasn't just that she wasn't a convincing Becky, she wasn't a convincing human. Completely wooden, and acting that bad cancels out the hotness, for me. Lecy had loads more personality, and I think that made her attractive in a weird way when she came back for most of season 8. She was really gawky before that.

This thread needs a recent Sara pic. Just because.
http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/x/3/-/-/sara_gilbert.jpg

haha barbara walters does kinda look like mr burns
i am neutral on roseanne herself but:
the show was awesome for the first few seasons, pos my favourite show for a while there - you could really tell they were having fun doing it too - crass sure but warm and fuzzy and real (except for laff track obv)

that pic reminds me of Chicago Sarah

even the laugh track seemed real, it was so funny. she looks good!

tho a bit wan?

http://images.askmen.com/imagessexsymbol/2003_jun/sarah_chalke/sarah_chalke_150.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6654/aliciagoravespa42814544xb5.jpg

http://www.cleveland-hellmouth.de/neu/pics/SaraGilbert.jpg

^^wins

Yeah, Chalke is looking way too Barbie doll there for me. Sara and Lecy still look like actual people.

Sara and Lecy still look like actual people.

well, yes, they're both nice, but the difference to me is that sara had a professional photo taken whereas lecy went to Olan Mills and decided on the "mountain" backdrop.

Wow, Becky II has had an actual career (of sorts). I had no idea.

yea backdrop is ridiculous

career rly?

that's a promo pic from some movie she was in a couple years ago, not that it doesn't look like what you just said, heh.
here's another:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3426/aliciagoramccar42837574ib2.jpg

she wsa rly interesting to me as an actress. reminds me a little of wat scarlet johannsen would be like if she were a better actress.

lookin good there 2

Becky II is on Scrubs. She was in a movie called Why I Wore Lipstick to My Mastectomy and a bunch of other shit nobody heard of. Becky I was in like a Law and Order episode, a Sex and the City episode, Boys Don't Cry, How to Make an American Quilt and then a couple movies nobody heard of with bad promo pics.

which satc episode?

An American Girl in Paris: Part Deux (2004) TV Episode .... Amber - Birth Mother

Her eyes are tripping me out in this pic:
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2254/89fst6.jpg

oooh i can't beliee that was her!

I never saw that, what was she like in it

she was good, it was a goof part, total hicktype thing, but she was good.

omg i totally didn't know that george clooney played booker!
(was just watching a 1st-season ep online and his name comes up in the credits - i didn't even recognize him!)
yeah

booker is hot

george clooney is hot

Booker ruled. This thread needs more Jackie talk, too.
Does anyone remember the episode where Jackie was hella drunk and she stumbled and said, "Man, there's ALL KINDS of gravity in here!" That's my favorite Jackie line ever.

def like 2nd seson right? Jackie ruled, big time. I always wanted to have a Jackie in my life.

was that when darlene was over jackie's while she was poundin down beers? funny little plot line

It was early on, yeah. I seem to remember it was an episode where pre-depression jock Darlene had run away to Jackie's apartment or something and was hanging out there when Jackie got wasted and said that. Last time I saw Laurie Metcalf she was on either Desperate Housewives or Grey's Anatomy, one of those shows. IMDb says she has been on both, so I can't be sure which.

x-post that would be the right episode, then.

yea and then roseanne sticks it to jackie later. u were gettin bombed in front of my kid??!

http://www.gay.com/images/slides/rosanne.jpg

i love her but that thing she said about gayz pissed me off, something about how all gay ppl ever talk about is their gay politics, and at the end of it isn't being gay about narcissism anyway?

It wasn't properly worded and way too generalized, but I think I got what she was saying and didn't completely disagree ... at least in terms of some gay politicos.

fine but when you issue a statement to the public, you have a lot of responsibility TO properly word it, and to NOT generalize. shunting that responsibility is tactless and shortsighted.

Was it something she "issued to the public" or was it something she said in an interview that perhaps the reporter didn't clarify or took out of context or...?

It was on her blog, I think.

mhmm

stupid source but here's the scoop. i guess it was on radio or something. stupid comments.

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/04/041007roseanne.htm

i mean notwithstanding ppl's FEELINGS it was just a dumb political move, why would you say something like that and jeopordize ur reputation?

Roseanne more or less OTM, though -- not about the narcissism but about how 99% of politically active queers are doing queer activism only. Clearly you can find counterexamples, but when I worked for an enviro group there was a shocking lack of gays and lesbians in the movement.

ya, OK. still, she coulda chosen to sound a bit more intelligent about it.

Seriously, Surmounter? Why say something you think is true when it might jeopardize your reputation? Are you sure you want to be advocating that?

um, well in any circumstances, u have to consider the politics. it's unavaoidable. so to a certain extent, yes i think that if you're about to say something that sounds quite tactless and offensive, it would be pretty dumb of you to not stop and think, "do i want my reputation to be dumb and tactless?"

everybody thinks about image/where u stand socially. it's not low it's just necessary.

i mean it jus sucks for her, cuz now this woman that i thought was like some versin of God is slightly tainted in my eyes. u don't go around saying being gay is about being obsessed with yourself. please

Roseanne built her entire career on being tactless, though. On being provocative and -- not dumb, but certainly not "intellectual". On cutting through certain situations and issues like a loud fart in a boardroom.

absolutely, but she was also usually sensitive to different types of ppl, at least with regard to her acting.

i think maybe this "fart" would have been different had she chosen her words better. i never thought of her as insensitive to different kinds of ppl. and to imply that a gay man's existence can be chalked up to getting off on himself is cleaerly insensitive.

i love her brand of nonintellectual clarity, but here it seemed like she was just ready to fart just to fart.

thanks i've now typed font at least three times.

lol *fart

to imply that a gay man's existence can be chalked up to getting off on himself is cleaerly insensitive.

Except of course that's not what she said at all. She said that some people say this and that in the context of political activism those people might have a point.

she may not have said that EXACTLY, but i wouldn't agree with "thats not what she said at all."

"some ppl say being gay is about narcissism and sometimes i wonder"

is way too vague/insensitive/silly to be considered a "nonintellectual take on grappling the issues"

she may not have said that gays and lesbians are looking at themselves in the mirror wanking off, but she also left a lot of room for reading into it. which is why she was attacked for it after the fact.

"Sometimes I wonder" in this sentence seems pretty clearly to mean "when I think about politically activist gay people, I wonder".

She was attacked for it after the fact at least in part because it was a good way for gay political groups to get their soundbites into the media.

i'm not really sure why we're arguing, i don't think we disagree much.

her words were lackluster, her message perhaps valid if explored through better means.

at least in part because it was a good way for gay political groups to get their soundbites into the media.

and yes i can agree with this

And that might be a good thing! Roseanne got to be provocative to teh gays AND let the gay activist groups harp on their soundbites. Win/win!

haha true enuf!

in any event still think she's one of the best TV personalities eva

haha what a weird conversation. Ramzi, that was such a typically Roseanne thing for her to say. I think I heard her deliver that line on Bill Maher or something. She might have also said something about gays being fashion designers because they hate women, or maybe that was her stand-up.

lol. beth ditto was doing the fashion designer schpiel for a while too.

yeah, it's business as usual

haha yup

i'm a sucker for Bridge Over Troubled Sonny, which of course makes sense. But every time I watch it I get all emotional.

http://www.saragilbert.net/pictures/private_gilbert03.jpg

http://gabbyhooch.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/darlene.jpg

http://www.hh.schule.de/hhs/info11-13/jan-julian/bed.jpg
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

the episode where jackie leaves for cop training is great. i want a sister like that.

oh my fucking god, the end of that episode where dan and roseanne sing that "i got you" song to each other AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

this show made me want to move to Ohio and buy a craftsman home and eat loose meat sandwiches

They lived in Illinois

Essential reading

i do not know brangelina

and do not mean to personally impugn them as they might be good people in the flesh, but the media's images of them are smelly and vile, and I must always attack the media's representation of what is good or cool, because those who inhabit the media world of glamour and entertainment and fashion and gossip are horrid people who have no talent of any kind, and yet think of themselves as tastemakers. taste my sandy buttcrack, tmz, and perez!

makes me miss anthony

http://i34.tinypic.com/30lzb0j.jpg

ah those smelly media images

lolz yes those victims of child abuse, always running their mouths

"and her sister agreed"

"Now go back to making your movies about women who love to handle big guns that shoot hundreds of people to death."

OOOH BURN no wait that sounds rad

i never watched this when it was on due to a combination of being easily embarassed, probably not being allowed, and living outside of the U.S. for a chunk of its run, but they show an hour of it on chicago tv every morning at 8 and i've been watching it every day and it's great

I remember a time when I was young enough to have to be in bed when Roseanne was on (9:30?) and hearing so much laughter from downstairs where my parents were watching it that I just assumed it was the funniest show in the world. Looking back, it was probably the canned laughter I heard.

Still, a pretty damn great show in its prime.

Sarah Gilbert is damn pretty.

And she looks exactly the freaking same to this day!

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SQ9-NlWqLCI/AAAAAAAACC4/Tqe9e-hdHwQ/roseanne.jpg

Sara Gilbert Crush Finally Starting To Subside

classic jackie in the last minute or so of this clip:

WTF at tim curry in this episode of roseanne?

huh joseph gordon-leavitt

been watching season 2 this week (so good) and one of the things that strikes is you is the extent to which it's incumbent on the actors to pull of writing that (sometimes) wouldn't necessarily be that funny on the page. so many of the laffs are from just some moment of quirky, honest timing, instead of some set-em-up knock-em-down joeks that any actor could recite to adequate effect, & the whole thing feels loose and true in a way that no other network sitcom i can think of does.

the storyline about roseanne having to work all these shitty jobs is pretty real. like she gets fired from clucky's chicken or smthg and then gets a job in a beauty salon sweeping hair. but she likes the people there and when she gets promoted to shampoo girl she mentions it in a slightly embarassed way at dinner. dan responds in a way i can identify with, which is to try to build rosie up but by denigrating the job: "hey, it's work...you shouldn't be embarrassed" etc implying she's better than this temporary station but in the process suggesting the job itself is degrading. and rosie responds with "yeah, yknow it is degrading work, but nobody there makes me feel that it is -- THATS YOUR JOB, RIGHT DAN?" but it's such a subtle little dance of intentions and implications. you can totally sympathize with both sides. i'm not really doing it justice here, of course.

In a lot of ways this show was perfect.

yup, for a while at least. i don't know when it fell off (haven't read the thread) but i kind of want to revisit those episodes at the end when the writers started jumping great piles of sharks, esp the lottery stuff, to see if just maybe it was some misread meta genius shit. doubtful tho. or just to see the spectacular flameout...

it was just bonkers at the end. i remember drew carey doing similar stunt bullshit at the end of their run too

i bet you can trace the jump the shark moment to when they had john popper sing lyrics on the theme song.

i have been watching season 2 this week too! love the ep where becky gets wasted

i kind of want to revisit those episodes at the end when the writers started jumping great piles of sharks, esp the lottery stuff, to see if just maybe it was some misread meta genius shit.

i took a course in tv while at university, and our lecturer believed this was very much the case

i have come to love the character of dj. all the other characters are semiserious with real-world problems and emotions, but dj is perpetually a dumb, annoying kid

the storyline about roseanne having to work all these shitty jobs is pretty real. like she gets fired from clucky's chicken or smthg and then gets a job in a beauty salon sweeping hair. but she likes the people there and when she gets promoted to shampoo girl she mentions it in a slightly embarassed way at dinner. dan responds in a way i can identify with, which is to try to build rosie up but by denigrating the job: "hey, it's work...you shouldn't be embarrassed" etc implying she's better than this temporary station but in the process suggesting the job itself is degrading. and rosie responds with "yeah, yknow it is degrading work, but nobody there makes me feel that it is -- THATS YOUR JOB, RIGHT DAN?" but it's such a subtle little dance of intentions and implications. you can totally sympathize with both sides. i'm not really doing it justice here, of course.

― Never sauces! (rent), Friday, 9 January 2009 15:06 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i think of roseanne at that beauty salon whenever i get my haircut. i love those episodes so much.

I was always a fan and the one joke that has always stuck with me is a silly one, but it's Jackie getting into a relationship with one of the boyfriends (the one that would beat her maybe?) and saying "you haven't even met my mother" and he says "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it" and she says "you're going to want to burn that bridge when we get to it" or something. I say that all the time now.

Can someone point me in the direction of the "Married... With Children" thread?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/Search/search.jsp

(Was joke.)

yeah that ep is great, i like how when her friend's parents start to impugn roseanne and dan's parenting skills they go along with it for like 4 seconds and then kick them out of the house. also becky sucks at pretending to be drunk which is pretty lolsome in its own right.

xpost to homosexual ii

parents = her mom i mean

i have come to love the character of dj. all the other characters are semiserious with real-world problems and emotions, but dj is perpetually a dumb, annoying kid

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, January 9, 2009 11:53 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

episode where dj gets caught jerkin it A+ would lol again

Looking at this thread reminded me how legendary the first few Thanksgiving episodes were.

I love LOVE every season of this show between the first and last. The first was basically just a stiff rehash of her standup routines, and the last was just batshit crazy and not really likeable at all. But between them was one of the best-written and delivered sitcoms I've ever watched, and I love that it's syndicated in about 100 different places so I can continually watch eps at almost any hour of the day or night.

I was gonna come on here and gripe about Laurie Metcalf never winning an Emmy, but she swept her category three years straight from 92-94.

Then I remember it was Phylicia Rashad on The Cosby Show who never won the Emmy (which is near criminal, because Claire Huxtable was sublime!)

i fucking love this show so much. i've been losing many an hour of sleep staying up to watch the mini-marathons on tvland.

you've apparently been losing many hours of sleep in general

although perhaps not as many as me

from her blog:

Barr was born to a brilliant jewish socialist-humorist, and football player, (Jerome Harold Barr), who along with her mother H.R. Davis Barr, (the classic post holocaust middle class first generation jewish woman), taught her all that she needed to know to become a compulsive nail biter, overeating obsessive with social anxiety disorder, and a nasty messianic complex that has defied medication, psychiatry, stardom and sanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1MhDqlKxhE

i fucking love this show so much. i've been losing many an hour of sleep staying up to watch the mini-marathons on tvland.

― hat for slashes (get bent), Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Ha - me too! I've been watching the shit out of this show lately and it's really great. I love Dan Goodman and well everyone else too really. Although watching the ones with Mark make me sad because he was one of my first actor crushes and he died so young. :-( But yeah, I'm with you on Roseanne - it's great.

I remember in the 90s when everyone was like "Roseanne is such an annoying human" and I'm glad she's being appreciated as awesome these days

Wonder if well be saying this about Kathy Griffin in 10 yrs

I still think Roseanne is pretty annoying outside of the show tbh.

I love Dan Goodman

lol oops. Obviously meant John Goodman.

I remember in the 90s when everyone was like "Roseanne is such an annoying human" and I'm glad she's being appreciated as awesome these days

i think a lot of people liked the show but got very offended by the crotch-grabbing incident. me, i thought that was funny. i abhor the sort of hateful rabid nationalism that comes out in some people when they find out you don't love your country as much as they do.

i have come to love the character of dj. all the other characters are semiserious with real-world problems and emotions, but dj is perpetually a dumb, annoying kid

dj's consistency comforts my soul in a turbulent world.

one of the 1st comments on this thread was something about how roseanne isn't a good actress/comedian and how it's like dan's show. i couldn't disagree more! they're on equal ground. both so great.

― Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:11 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

dan responds in a way i can identify with, which is to try to build rosie up but by denigrating the job: "hey, it's work...you shouldn't be embarrassed" etc implying she's better than this temporary station but in the process suggesting the job itself is degrading. and rosie responds with "yeah, yknow it is degrading work, but nobody there makes me feel that it is -- THATS YOUR JOB, RIGHT DAN?" but it's such a subtle little dance of intentions and implications. you can totally sympathize with both sides. i'm not really doing it justice here, of course.

― Never sauces! (rent), Friday, 9 January 2009 15:06 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i'm trying to think of a tv couple that works better than dan and roseanne and i can't.

it's like there's an unspoken, assumed level of equality b/w the two of them. not to mention the chemistry. there's a scene where they're out to dinner (was it an anniversary?) and they are basically bullshitting for the whole thing! it didn't feel improvised, but it did have a fluidity and effortless quality to it.

it was like this:

so many of the laffs are from just some moment of quirky, honest timing, instead of some set-em-up knock-em-down joeks that any actor could recite to adequate effect, & the whole thing feels loose and true in a way that no other network sitcom i can think of does.

― Never sauces! (rent), Friday, January 9, 2009 8:45 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

like there's a part in that scene in the restaurant where rose wants to more coffee and rather than wait for server, she just gets up from her seat and gets the coffee pot to serve herself and another guest along the way. it was...unrefined, maybe, but also rly decent.

i'm trying to think of a tv couple that works better than dan and roseanne and i can't.

the honeymooners!

http://nymag.com/arts/tv/upfronts/2011/roseanne-barr-2011-5/

this is great

Yeah it is. It's been making the rounds on facebook today and it's awesome.

I still think Roseanne is pretty annoying outside of the show tbh.

― Pancakes are one of my favorite ways to party. (ENBB), Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:27 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think I've changed my tune on that at least a little. Man, <3 her show forever.

huh, was thinking/wondering about roseanne just a couple days ago. she's kind of a hero to me, tbh.

She's looking amazing in that photo as well. Age suits her powerfully well.

i remember being totally awed by her as a kid. just had no way of understanding not giving a fuck like that. hero.

Yeah the not giving a fuck is amazing and what makes her so awesome. Trayce otm about the picture. She looks fantastic.

ikr, like that pic is how I want to age, it makes me feel like maybe in 5 or 10 years I could stand to grow out/stop dying my hair and just be me.

Her blog is a hoot:

start growing veggies and get off meat--food shortages coming--the next bubble is commodities! gardening is our savior!!!

Her autobiography is monumentally excellent too - lots of amazing stories about growing up in Utah and being othered by Mormons.

oooh!

i love her, and i love how her speaking voice and facial expressions come through so clearly in her writing.

Please tell me that I'm not the only one who has seen "She-Devil" several times.

One of my friends had parents who were the spit of Roseanne and Dan; also they were working class from the Iron Range so going over there was like a set visit.

When I saw this piece linked by Jez yesterday I knew the comments would be #sturmundrang and LOLed at the commenters who were willing to write her off because she threatened a woman exec who offered her fake sisterhood to gain trust and compliance. You know: 'ooh, she called her a bitch!' My working-class sister would call such a woman 'scum-sucking sewer slut' and yo, she'd be right.

she would be be absolutely correct.

I really hate it when privileged women stand on ceremony: 'ooh, she said a bad word' to which I answer 'well, you didn't pay attention when she wasn't busting out the swears'. We do need to be reminded that feminists are fighting two battles: with the men, and with the women who enable the men.

sometimes the collaborators are worse, and you can't even see what their prize is.

The end of my addiction to fame happened at the exact moment Roseanne dropped out of the top ten, in the seventh of our nine seasons. It was mysteriously instantaneous! I clearly remember that blackest of days, when I had my office call the Palm restaurant for reservations on a Saturday night, at the last second as per usual. My assistant, Hilary, who is still working for me, said—while clutching the phone to her chest with a look of horror, a look I can recall now as though it were only yesterday: “The Palm said they are full!” Knowing what that really meant sent me over the edge. It was a gut shot with a sawed-off scattershot, buckshot-loaded pellet gun. I made Hil call the Palm back, disguise her voice, and say she was calling from the offices of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Instantly, Hil was given the big 10-4 by the Palm management team. I became enraged, and though she was uncomfortable doing it (Hil is a professional woman), I forced her to call back at 7:55 and cancel the 8:00 reservation, saying that Roseanne—who had joined Tom and Nicole’s party of seven—had persuaded them to join her at Denny’s on Sunset Boulevard.

wkiw Roseanne at Denny's

wkiw Roseanne anywhere but Denny's, because really fuck Denny's

you're right!

lol

Denny's is pretty awful. They do have some new monstrosity of a grilled cheese that incorporates mozzie sticks INSIDE the sandwich and appeals to the cheese fiend within me.

Please to note, I have not actually eaten this. I am, however, perversely ~intrigued~. I think Rosie would share one with me.

I am not posting it again because it is off-topic, so here is a link to my horrible Denny's experience:

Taking Sides: Waffle House vs. IHOP

mmm Perkins.

^^^ OTM

x-post Gross!

Lots of fried stuff though. The sandwiches look interesting.

I haven't eaten in one in over fifteen years, but I remember their pride in their average Dennys-esque menu.

x-post to estela: having been in Mayfair all afternoon scoping some seriously badly dressed hedge-fund wifeys, the answer to yr question is SHOES.

wkiw Roseanne anywhere but Denny's, because really fuck Denny's

i haven't been to a denny's in like three years, but i keep it in my mind as "the place that's slightly less gross than ihop."

but i'd kick it with roseanne wherever she wanted to go.

"the place that's slightly less grossmore racist than ihop."

fixed

I would be all "I'll catch up with you after Denny's, because fuck Denny's"

they changed their unwashed-silverware-and-gnat-garnish policy in 1986, fyi

can't front, i would hang with roseanne at all these restaurants, except maybe chili's, cuz that's just wrong to me.

xp: well yeah, they replaced it with a "be shitty to minorities, esp. black people" policy

mad respect for this lady of course. must read her autobiography, had no idea she grew up in utah!!

just to be clear here - are people not aware of the various class action lawsuits that Denny's lost/settled out of court

they actually changed that policy too!

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=6D0fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zNAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2222,3519684&dq=denny%27s+best+company+for+minorities&hl=en

lol damn it, I knew you were going to pull that up as soon as I hit submit

in summation: fuck Denny's

i threw up all over a dennys waitress once. ALL AMERICAN BREAKFAST ALL OVER HER BOOBIES.

Her autobiography is monumentally excellent too - lots of amazing stories about growing up in Utah and being othered by Mormons.

― that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy)

Is this My Life As A Woman? I've never read that because it was superceded by My Lives which I did read and that is one bizarre and troubling book. Anyone read the one by her sister that was iirc a kind of reply to My Lives? It's ridiculous money on Amazon at the mo but I am intrigued.

I find the insights you get here (in the article) into the making of the show and Rosanne's conflicts with Carsey totally fascinating. Of course Carsey remembers it all a bit differently - there's an interesting (and very long) interview with her and Tom Werner on youtube (the stuff about Rosanne is about half way through this part - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHQbo739Dk - I think) which is slightly ruined by the fact that you can hardly hear the interviewer but it's still worth a watch if you're interested in the process of making television.

I don't doubt Rosie was a pain in the ass, but you kinda have to be once you realize that everybody in showbiz is out to screw everyone else (to exaggerate only slightly).

There are righteous reasons to be a PIA, and Roseanne had plenty.

It's one of my particular observations: if you are a feminist, you have two fronts for battle - men with a clubhouse mentality, and women who screw over other women to make sure they're the exceptional babe in the clubhouse.

You'd think a Hollywood professional like Marcy Carsey would be a little bit better at toning down the liar's body language (head shaking, looking this way and that, etc.) but nope.

I've still only seen 2 or 3 episodes of that show, I'd already quit sitcoms. Still love that national anthem perf tho.

Also, I think they were the first tv show to regularly show people watching tv.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, August 26, 2005

No, George Burns watched everything going on within the show from his den on Burns & Allen!

There were a lot of things that blew my mind in that excellent Roseanne article, but a minor one was: there is a powerful & successful human named Marcy Carsey.

would hang with roseanne at all these restaurants, except maybe chili's, cuz that's just wrong to me.

But Chili's has two for one drinks/beer all day every day!

wait, really

lol @ Abbott

DJP I have no idea if that's true elsewhere but I don't think it would be here because I think all drink specials (two for ones, ladies drink free, happy hour) are illegal in MA. It used to the case when I worked in a bar anyway.

It's certainly true in Florida. I went last year after class to hang with two colleagues who wanted to drink "someplace close." The place was vile but I paid $15 for four drinks.

Oh I didn't mean I didn't believe you. The drink specials thing is (or was) just a state thing so Chili's in other places prob do do it!

E

uhhh - I didn't mean to sign that post lol

Whoa. The Chili's I went to in the burbs did not have such a special.

Chili's isn't the worst place in the world if you steer clear of their attempts at "upscale" food. A big plate of loaded cheese fries or a chicken finger is as good there as anyplace.

Also, I love Roseann more than ever.

TheRealRoseanne rules for comedy writers ... 4--this ain't comedy this is war for turf, jewish turf. 14 minutes ago

polyphonique @TheRealRoseanne The "jewish turf" thing seems a bit controversial to me. 11 minutes ago

TheRealRoseanne @polyphonique thats because you've never seen two jewish writers going at it like it was life or death. 57 seconds ago

She's right, I haven't!

she was born jewish. she may have been raised a mormon, but as far as i'm concerned she's still a heeb.

signed, a heeb (non-practicing)

game recognize game, etc

she was raised jewish, but in a crazily mormon area, where she and her family were treated like heathen freaks, acc. to roseanne: my life as a woman.

doesn't (the vastly inferior) chelsea handler have a similar jew/mormon background?

Roseanne might be appearing in Handler's new sitcom in the fall

man this show was great at it's peak. in the early-to-mid 90s in a house full of 4 totally different guys from different backgrounds the one sitcom i can remember that we all watched together and loved was Roseanne.

is any1 watching her reality show on lifetime? shawty still got it.

did that already start? i need to check it out

it's boyfriend and her on a macadamia nut farm in hawaii and a rotating cast of hippies so far. boyfriend is very wry, roseannes voice and lau and everything is exactly the same as it ever wwas, it's like coming home

*laugh

there was a moment in the first episode where she's sitting down on the phone and her dress was a lil short and her pussy was blurred out, WHAT A FUCKING G

she was great on letterman the other night

real talk, was roseanne like the most accurate portrayal of american family dynamics in any medium? http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

bipolar punk rock grandma ftw

i laughed my ass off when she was ramming her golfcart thingy into those trees she hated. her damn bf has no sense of humor.

run Rosie run

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-08-10/columns/roseanne-barr-for-president-god-is-telling-her/

Morbs, I salute you (and Roseanne, of course).

Last person to run with her birthdate was Michael Dukakis.

Campaign doomed to be rejected by Shakey Mo as "too spontaneous"

love this woman

me too.

Reading yesterday's news more closely, it is very likely a PR campaign for the Greens til July. So, somewhat disappointing.

Barr filed her paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Jan. 25, creating a four-way race for the Green nomination, which will be decided at the Green Party Presidential Nominating Convention in July.

"I will run until the convention in July in Baltimore-I fully expect Jill Stein 2b the nominee& I will support her, but til then-I'll serve," Barr said amid a slew of other tweets, some of them raunchy, most having to do with her campaign....

In a more recent statement posted at the Green Party Watch website, Barr expressed her support for the Occupy Wall Street movement and said, "Both the Democratic and Republican parties are bought and paid for by corporate America and cater to the needs of the highest bidder as opposed to the people they claim to represent. I cannot be bought."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2012/02/roseanne-barr-running-for-president-green-party.html

http://www.tvline.com/2012/02/john-goodman-downwardly-mobile-roseanne-reunion/

The prospective series also features a healthy Roseanne pedigree behind the scenes. Eric Gilliland, who was an EP on Roseanne, will serve as showrunner, and the sitcom’s longtime director, Gail Mancuso, will helm the pilot.

oh my god

!!!

There's a chance this could be the Cosby to Bill Cosby's The Cosby Show (in fact, that's almost a certainty), but I'll watch it if it gets through pilot hell.

I hear the pilot script is week, but I double-checked and that "Cosby" show in the '90s managed to last 4 seasons! I hope this gets a similar fate whether or not it's any good.

lol xpost

pilot script is weak, rather

It will either last two weeks (hello Paul Reiser) or keep going long past its welcome (hello The Office).

Hmmmmm.

just give it a chance, Erica!!!

holding out hope 4 this

I would so love for this to be good.

That Cosby show in the nineties reminded me of the Beach Boys reunion in the mid eighties.

how's she gonna run the country? oh wait, the prez doesn't do that

I liked Tom Arnold's property joke and GG's musty sheep one.

So she DID get herself nominated for president, by something called the Peace & Freedom Party. Apparently they might not even be on any ballots outside California? Guessing the party thought a celeb (w/ Cindy Sheehan as VP) would help with that.

http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2012/08/04/roseanne-barr-wins-californias-peace-and-freedom-party-nomination-cindy-sheehan-is-vp-nominee/

roseanne is about due for a big avclub reappraisal. it's a show about an actual ugly american family that doesn't look at it through some liberal mike & molly condescension, the jokes are occasionally a lot better than they should be because of norm macdonald and john goodman is consistently way too good for the show the thing you could say keeps it from revisionist god tier status is that it goes for easy emotional notes far too often. I rebut this by saying that, what, like scrubs isn't even worse about this?

a critical reappraisal of roseanne would exist outside of 90s nostalgia - you'd have to frame it as part of america's cultural decline. its ugliness is going to reflect our country more and more and the modern family "look at how nice santa monica and the glendale galleria are" aesthetic will be hysterically dated

When unemployment hits 12%, roseanne will seem like a show with a timelessness and honesty that was almost an anomaly in how far ahead of its time it was when every boutique shop in the country starts to go out of business because they can't afford health insurance for stock boys, that's when roseanne gets reappraised. that or the shocking, premature death of john goodman in 2014

"when every other show on television focused on the already-dying bohemian culture in new york city, chicago or los angeles..."

av club, u carpetbagging Johnny come lately bandwagon jumping pieces of shit, Roseanne never needed reappraisal bc it has always been appraised one of the greatest tv shows of all time

a critical reappraisal of roseanne would exist outside of 90s nostalgia

you'd think the appraisal of roseanne would have an easier time of this than the reappraisal

also lmao norm Macdonald wrote on this show for a second after the show had been on for 5 years already, this is worse than Simpsons fans who say the show went downhill when Conan left

also a show called Roseanne created by Roseanne and lead acted by Roseanne and the thing that makes the show great is the lead male actor and one of the writers from seasons 5 and 6

fuck this guy

in a just world, I would be the adopted son of Roseanne and coach Gregg popovich

A station here was playing this all afternoon. Laurie Metcalf was so good: "Oh, for god's sake, people rob liquor stores all the time--I slept with Arnie!"

Just watched "Daughters and Other Strangers" from season 5. The epilogue has just about the funniest DJ bit ever--starts about 7:10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRmvz9TE5og

lol! I have watched so much Roseanne in the past couple months yet have somehow never seen that one.

deepdiscount.com has the complete series for $19.99. 27 discs!

http://www.deepdiscount.com/dvd/ROSEANNE-COMPLETE-SERIES/

Bought.

When I was ill a couple of weeks ago I watched the 1st 2 seasons on YouTube, it's so great

As I said on fb just now, it's so cheap you can just throw away the final season!

bought. thanks for the tip!

http://xposethereal.com/news/roseanne-barr-mk-ultra-rules-in-hollywood.html

HM.

The first five seasons or so are some of the best television ever. And then the subsequent seasons and twenty years elapsed. I'd love to think they could recapture the magic, but I'm...let's go with 'dubious'.

this is not encouraging

http://splitsider.com/2018/01/why-it-matters-that-roseanne-and-dan-voted-for-trump/

Shit.

(See previous post, multiply the dubiosity by like five.)

it ... really doesn't matter what the characters on a Netflix reboot do

Morpheus G. Weingarten pulling back the curtain on the Matrix and blowing minds itt.

feel like they were close to making a point when bringing up The Office, a show which for a decade normalized a childish racist sexist narcissist idiot and how lovable he grew to be. he gets a pass because of one line about Barack Obama and another about Oscar forgiving him (for the time he forced a kiss just after outing an employee in front of his entire staff). The Office was a huge mainstream hit in Walmart country and Emmy country. the beloved Scott's number two Dwight even has a running joke about his nazi grandfather. of course the clip they use is from the most saccharine sentimental farewell scene in the series.

I wouldn't be inclined to make any sweeping pronouncements about the real-world impact of the reboot. This idea is potentially worthwhile for exploration but maybe on another show, one where it isn't inconsistent with the show's previous incarnation and therefore stupid and seemingly only in place just to make a point and to demonstrate that the irl Roseanne is insane in a way that Roseanne Connor was not.

Hard to separate this direction with the show’s final season that had the Conners winning the lottery. It was an ambitious turn and an attempt to maybe honestly reflect where irl Roseanne was at but led to a lot of really bad “cultural commentary” in the form of playing things super broad. iirc there’s an episode where Roseanne fights sexist terrorists on a train and Steven Seagal cameos. When the show ended she was asked to rank her 10 favorites episodes and all ten episodes she picked where from that season.

but it was revealed all that never happened! it was all fantasy, the last couple seasons

Increasingly wishing they'd pulled a Roseanne's Family/The Connor Family with the reboot.

(Without the addition of Sandy Duncan to the cast, natch.)

Trying to think of the Sandy Duncan analogue.

Guardedly almost optimistic: https://www.slantmagazine.com/tv/review/roseanne-season-10

Yeah, reviews thus far have been surprisingly positive. First five seasons or so are some of the best television ever produced so I'd love for this to be good but last couple of seasons are some of the worst television ever produced so I remain skeptical.

That review says one of the good points about the reboot is that it fully overturns S9.

Which we all knew it would.

Damn, I'd been speculating about who they were going to get to replace Jim Varney as the foreign prince wooing Jackie.

God, I hate season 9 so goddamn much.

The ads haven't made me optimistic. And the addition of the worst actress from Shameless to the cast is also a bad, bad sign.

So is john goodman dead in this one or what

This season is actually the answer roman-a-clef Jackie wrote in response to her sister's book, which was S9. This season is called Vixen: Story of a Woman.

Barr being a big Trump supporter, Kimmel reminded her she used to support Hillary Clinton, but became “down on her” and even accused her of being a murderer on Twitter, “didn’t you?”

“I did not!” Barr screeched. “I deleted it!”

But she acknowledged, “I had some disagreement with her foreign policy.”

Because “she had one,” Goodman snarked, largely staying out of the melee.

http://deadline.com/2018/03/roseanne-barr-donald-trump-jimmy-kimmel-mike-pence-video-1202352396/

The two new episodes were...OK. The explicitly political stuff was hammerheaded; I hope they got it all out of their systems. But a lot of the rest is sharp and funny. I’ll keep watching for a few more episodes at least.

Because “she had one,” Goodman snarked, largely staying out of the melee.

lol

i'm pretty hopeful. i think it's a brilliant idea to make them trump supporters depending on how they execute it.

i just saw episode 1 of season 1 for the first time in probably 25 years

it's so weird

it takes me back to a very specific time in my life and i can just feel myself slouching and dozing off on the couch watching it in the 90s

the part where roseanne says how he made dan a better man and compares him to a donut is so good

i'm pretty hopeful. i think it's a brilliant idea to make them trump supporters depending on how they execute it.

haven't seen the new eps, but a few months ago (on WTF) Laurie Metcalf said Roseanne Connor is pro-Trump, Jackie is anti-, and it's only addressed in one scene in the first ep.

how did they deal with dan dying in the last season?

First episode was pretty great, lotsa good lines. The Trump stuff was fine, but some mean lines about Becky being an old maid at 43 were o_O

"I thought you were dead!" xp

The Becky vs. Darlene stuff was great.

how did they deal with dan dying in the last season?

― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:02 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

TBF, he only 'died' in the weird narrated addendum to the final episode wherein Roseanne retconned the bulk of the series in one fell swoop (Jackie's actually a lesbian, Darlene and Becky were actually each married to the other's partner IRL, etc.). It was dumb as hell.

I DVR-ed but haven't watched the new one yet. I think I'm most interested to see Sara Gilbert pick up the Darlene mantle again. The few times I've seen her on her daytime show, she seems so chill and reserved that I almost can't picture her as Darlene anymore.

Everyone seems *really* in character, like it never went away. Old Becky is maybe the weak link. Couple lines where I thought "Darlene wouldn't say that".

wake me when they bring back Malcolm in the Middle

I thought this article was pretty good. though I guess I'm glad to hear the show hasn't quite gone down that rabbit hole yet.

http://jennytrout.com/?p=11900

holy shit this was so bad i turned it off after the dire “lol trump jokes! hilary jokes! that kids wearing nail varnish oh the vapors!” bs.

Glad all our childhoods and/or adulthoods can be so summarily dismissed.

I love watching liberals froth over #Roseanne's pro-Trump feelings. A much needed respite from yet another self-righteous liberal wank about democracy's death and related Russian hit jobs. I just hope she doesn't start talking about Palestinians. pic.twitter.com/OWRdfxcH5b

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 28, 2018

i haven't watched Roseanne for quite a while, but her character was clearly a liberal, and it seems a little odd that she would become a Trump voter. there's episodes where she confronts the fact that she is bigoted against black people and uncomfortable being kissed by a gay woman - but this is to her own chagrin. she's also very strong-willed and doesn't put up with any sort of sexist crap. i guess roseanne is kind of a former liberal who despises muslims and arabs so maybe the turn isn't so unrealistic?

this reboot has gotten me very interested in rewatching Roseanne, which i think is one of the greatest sitcoms ever, but the reboot itself doesn't interest me whatsoever. i wouldn't be interested in any rebooted sitcom tbh

yeah, it seems weird that everyone is so excited about this when there's like 222 episodes of this show sitting around that many people haven't looked at in 20 years

I never watched it (maybe 1 or 2 episodes). I quit sitcoms for awhile when Kirstie Alley replaced Shelley Long on Cheers.

I bought the entire series on DVD for like $10

my friend's kid who's a 21-yo actor never heard of Roseanne

I never watched it (maybe 1 or 2 episodes). I quit sitcoms for awhile when Kirstie Alley replaced Shelley Long on Cheers.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)

but Woody just got there obviously no coach but i liked him .

Kirstie Alley was vv good on Cheers tbqf

I just learned that Wanda Sykes is a writer on this...which is confusing.

is it? you know all kinds of ppl w/ different thought have worked together in earlier eras, i'm SURE i remember reading about it at least.

Frank Capra had a Mussolini pic on the wall, some of his writers were socialists.

Yeah, yeah assholes work with non-assholes, women worked with weinstein. I get it.

you're really projecting a lot onto Wanda Sykes right now

Nixon killed ~3 million people; awful lotta co-workers in early '70s America voted for him

I know. I don't really know anything personal about Sykes besides her being gay. I am on the fence about watching this. I never loved the first show, it was fine.

Look, we all kill ~3 million people tbqh.

in my dreams

Norm MacDonald ... consulting producer (1 episode, 2018)

xpost Wasn't it you who was posting recently about ~3million and LBJ's dream of being seen as unmanly by other people in his dream?

Yep. They were both genocidal war criminals, but Dick really picked up the pace with Cambodia.

LOL

There is a reason the critics love the "Roseanne" reboot, and it's not because the reboot respects Trump voters. (/1)

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) March 28, 2018

lemme guess, cuz there's a genderqueer kid?

Yeah, what I mostly had been reading about this was that it was a fantasy depiction of what current/continuing Trump supporters are like.

Worse, because the family doesn't immediately disown him or kick his ass. Basically, "How dare Hollywood portray conservatives of tolerant of this perversity?"

Not sure that exactly what he was saying, but I only got about two tweets into the thread before I realized who I was reading.

(and ctrl+w'd obviously)

Ugh, I guess I have to watch this now to figure out what is going on. All I know is that everyone who was no longer speaking to a person because they voted for Trump is still no longer speaking to them (re: Roseanne and Jackie making up).

I don't wanna get sucked in the Rosanne wars, but God help me, I kinda agree w/ Shapiro on this: if you wanna be brave & put Trump supporters on TV, don't make them gauzy, idealized, pro-choice, tolerant Trump supporters. Show the real deal.

— David Roberts (@drvox) March 29, 2018

I watched the first episode & mostly enjoyed it. There were a lot of solid laughs that hit the same funnybone as the old series did, that was important for me, anyway. The politics stuff was clunky but it’s not a huge part of the show, as long as the family relationships take precedence i’m not super heated over it.

Also Morgan Murphy is one of the producers & as long as she’s on board so am I

It's really really weird to sit and laugh at a fascist supporter trying to get by on the few pills she can afford... but it's pretty good?

Also, the 'real deal', that was Last Man Standing, wasn't it?

full disclosure: I watched Roseanne religiously growing up, it was one of my favorite sitcoms of all time. I have deep, deep love for it. And I’m not really a fan of her in life at all. It was only through the lens of that show that I loved her. There’s a hardness, a sharp edge that reminds me of my own family, and that gallows humor, that need to laugh when things are at their shittiest still resonates with me.

That being said, there are few things that divide ppl as quickly as that show. My dad could never leave the room fast enough. Mr Veg looked at me like I’d just taken a shit on the floor when he saw I’d dvr’d the new series.

The Trump stuff is a red herring - the same ppl that hated the show before are going to hate it now, it just gives them something new to yell about. I dont think it will lose a lot of old diehard fans tbh.

Also, the 'real deal', that was Last Man Standing, wasn't it?

Last Man Standing wasn't as right-wing as it's been painted. Yes, Allen's character was a self-deluding manly-man who thought the world was going soft, Hillary was Satan, blah blah blah. But his wife and three daughters (and the one daughter's husband, and his neighbors) all got plenty of time to insult him and knock him around whenever his bullshit got too rancid. The only real difference between it and any other cookie-cutter US sitcom was that Allen wasn't a big fat guy married to an obviously much younger babe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/opinion/roseanne-reboot-trump.html

roxane gay: 'problematic'

seems like we are ripe for a return to the culture where 'serious people' thought tv and hollywood movies are prima facie not important and ignored them, if only to save us from endless airing of puffed-up reasons for paying attention to them con or pro

idgi do they think there are no gay people or gender nonconformists outside of the big cities

idgi

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), 30. marts 2018 15:23 (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

We know

Watched the premiere this morning. The political stuff was somewhat interesting--I also remember Roseanne Conner as clearly a liberal, but her transformation is credible. Anyway, I was more interested in the comedy and performances. The timing and line readings seemed really clunky to me. Laurie Metcalf was the only one who seemed to comfortably pick up where she left off. A few good lines (the sequence where Darlene's daughter asks for money) lost in all the dead spaces. The two Beckys facing off was clever.

Nice of them to give DJ two lines. Should maybe mention that I didn't watch any of the final season.

people have been known to make hard right turns with age

I haven't seen the new show but a right turn doesn't sound out of character

i don't need to see this. laurie metcalf will always be an inspiration in my life no matter what she does though.

I'm seeing her next week doing Edward Albee on Broadway.

i don't need to see this. laurie metcalf will always be an inspiration in my life no matter what she does though.

― scott seward, Friday, March 30, 2018 10:10 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

didn't know Barr was on that reptilian overlord shit but I ain't surprised. total kook.

there is a really good interview with roseanne in that judd apatow book of interviews with comedians where she talks about her early days and its the most interesting thing i've read about her in many a moon.

seems like we are ripe for a return to the culture where 'serious people' thought tv and hollywood movies are prima facie not important and ignored them, if only to save us from endless airing of puffed-up reasons for paying attention to them con or pro

― j., Friday, March 30, 2018 3:49 AM (twelve hours ago)

this change can't come soon enough imo

i mean:

I saw the first two episodes of the “Roseanne” reboot, but that’s all I am going to watch. It’s a small line to draw, but it’s a start.

Also, the 'real deal', that was Last Man Standing, wasn't it?

Well hey there.

Tim Allen's 'Last Man Standing' Top of FOX's Reboot List https://t.co/aU2QnHa8Wm

— TMZ (@TMZ) March 29, 2018

That clip from Last Man Standing... Laughs about how horrifying Benghazi was, and then the Hillary supporter turns out to not even like her, but just wanting a woman. The new Roseanne really is a whole different thing.

Why do those photos of those men have to look like that

xpost That's a perfect trio of insufferable people.

Kirstie Alley was vv good on Cheers tbqf

multiple xposts but she was great. cheers never fell off, imo, and its a great, subtle social satire towards the end

President Trump has freed so many children held in bondage to pimps all over this world. Hundreds each month. He has broken up trafficking rings in high places everywhere. notice that. I disagree on some things, but give him benefit of doubt-4 now.

— Roseanne Barr (@therealroseanne) March 31, 2018

has he freed Melania

the fuck

90% of Trump's sex trafficking initiatives occurred in like, the last two months. unless she is giving him credit for like, everything DHS does

Roseanne Barr is a mentally ill person with no control of her analytical abilities: this has been a public part of her character for at least 25, maybe 35 years, so picking apart the hypothetical reasoning behind any statement is always likely to be fruitless.

The new show sucks

As I make my way through The Americans and Big Little Lies, one thing that jumped out at me watching the new Roseanne was how poor an actor Darlene's son is. I'm not commenting on the sociology of the character, just the performance--he's an overly cute and precocious kid from a 1970s sitcom. One thing that all the "prestige shows" have in common--at least the ones I've watched--are subtle performances from young actors. Often they begin in the background and slowly become major characters. Darlene's son is a major character already; the actor's just not up to it.

(Some of the blame belongs to the writers. Darlene's son isn't really a character, not yet; he's a topical issue.)

thats my biggest problem with the reboot overall so far. using pre-developed characters as ciphers for topical humor (which is mostly bad in these first two episodes).

Roseanne was topical when it aired, why wouldn’t a reboot be the same?

At the time, the show's topicality felt new and brave. I'd never seen anything like depressive-Darlene on a sitcom--or, more for laughs, DJ's onanistic adventures (not sure if that pre-dated Seinfeld or not). Darlene's son just feels parachuted in to me.

That 70s Show is gonna be a tough reboot given that the last episode took place on December 31, 1979

Most sitcoms don't figure out their characters until several episodes in.

(Not so) guilty admission: I'd evidently assumed for decades that Rosie O'Donnell was in the sitcom with John Goodman. I actually went through cognitive dissonance for why the hell @Rosie was pulling @VictoriaJackson shit.

(xpost) Agree with that. Whether or not the kid figures out acting is the bigger issue.

Roseanne was topical when it aired, why wouldn’t a reboot be the same?

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, March 31, 2018 2:47 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i guess i was put off by the rehash of the 2016 election between roseanne and jackie. their original run fights were generally more about problems endogenous to their family, and topical stuff back then (that I can recall) were not necessarily electoral politics.

I really don’t think the Clinton/Dole election affected people the same way

“Daaaaaan, do you know what Bob Dole’s 15% income tax reduction will do to the deficit?!”

Its also that tons of sitcoms already mined the territory to death in 2016-2017

xp well yeah! i just think its fertile territory for lazy humor, which the electoral politics on roseanne reboot ep1 was.

I'm not a sitcom fan. Besides Good Place, I haven't watched a sitcom since Arrested Development, and before then maybe season 6-7 of Seinfeld 20 years ago.

A roommate made time for that Raymond show, and I found everything about it unfunny, verging on sordid. I concluded that one couldn't appreciate family sitcoms without an experience of a normal family.

Secretly, I hope that a writer has taken note of Rosanne's wingnuttery to write her into a corner. I'll be there for the highlights.

A roommate made time for that Raymond show, and I found everything about it unfunny, verging on sordid. I concluded that one couldn't appreciate family sitcoms without an experience of a normal family.

Nah, that show was just unfunny and bad. (Although your argument is similar to the one I give people about why I don't like the Godfather movies - that they're all about family, and since I don't give a shit about mine, the emotional impact is lost on me.)

yea it's a bit breathtaking how unfunny Everybody Loves Raymond actually was. it ran for 9 years - as long as Seinfeld! it had funny actors! the only problem is every joke sucked! what the hell did Ray do for a living anyway?

when I was a standup, there was another guy on the circuit who went on to write regularly for Everybody Loves Raymond, and he could buy and sell all of us from what he made for that shit.

Nah, that show was just unfunny and bad. (Although your argument is similar to the one I give people about why I don't like the Godfather movies - that they're all about family, and since I don't give a shit about mine, the emotional impact is lost on me.)

― grawlix (unperson),

Actually, those movies are about the hypocrisy and awfulness of family, so it should have an emotional impact on you.

I remember Everybody Loves Raymond routinely making TV crix' year-end lists throughout the tail end of the '90s. Friends as well. Not hard to see how everyone lost their shit over The Sopranos when it arrived.

Actually, those movies are about the hypocrisy and awfulness of family, so it should have an emotional impact on you.

My family members aren't awful, though, or any more hypocritical than anybody else. I just asked myself "Would I talk to any of these people if I wasn't related to them?" and the answer was "No," so I don't.

So instead you yell at the void in online discussion forums?

lol I think Raymond must have benefited from critics looking for another "prestige" sitcom to big-up after they got bored with Frasier

My family members aren't awful, though, or any more hypocritical than anybody else. I just asked myself "Would I talk to any of these people if I wasn't related to them?" and the answer was "No," so I don't.

Fuck you, asshole - both my wife's parents are dead. FP'ed.

Damn, sorry, dogg, I was goin for the clean zing

what the hell did Ray do for a living anyway?

Sports writer, iirc.

I swear I get Raymond (whatever his last name is), Tim Allen and Kevin James shows all mixed up. i think I may have watched Home Improvement a couple of times. Do non-dad people relate to these shows or are they just something to have on?

I remember when pro-lifers ran that commercial with the mom from Raymond to counter Michael J. Fox's stem cell research ad. We've got a sitcome star too!

Raymond universe was such a bleaker depiction of suburban life than all the others. Of course the narrative but also the set design.

Why did I think the mom on Raymond was on a Tim Allen show? I am looking all of this up. So confusing.

I remember seeing one episode of Home Improvement where one of the kids announces that he is an atheist and won't be attending church with the family anymore. Amazingly, the point of the episode wasn't preaching "tolerance" of the parents by the kid (as it sort of was in the episode of The Simpsons where Lisa becomes a Buddhist) I'm still sort of astounded by that episode's existence.

I've never seen a single episode of Raymond. Romano was pretty great in The Big Sick, though.

So @joemande was so inspired by the ROSEANNE revival that he wrote a script for a HOME IMPROVEMENT revival. #MAGA pic.twitter.com/ck630VsiYD

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) April 2, 2018

I looked up that "Home Improvement" episode about atheism and found conservatives complaining that the actor who played the kid was a lib who pushed for his character to get socially conscious storylines

I think Ray Roymand appeared in King of Queens, I think it's strongly implied that Ray in that show is the same Ray from Everybody Loves Raymond. Meanwhile the wife Patricia Heaton was also the wife/mother in The Middle, which is not Malcolm in the Middle but is pretty similar, and I think the mom also appears as a teacher or something. I guess I can see why it gets so confusing.

The dad from Malcolm in the Middle played Omar on the Wire

i loved raymond and king of queens. alt-right mom -vs- scientologist wife.

ilx has historically always hated those shows.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-roseanne-revival-20180404-story.html

"Roseanne" is a hit, again. The ratings of the back-to-back episodes that launched its much-belated 10th season debut March 27 were, in today's thin-sliced television landscape, impressive and historical: 18.1 million viewers, rising to 25 million with delayed viewings.

Last Tuesday's second-week figures fell off some, as expected, to a still-impressive 15 million. A second season has been ordered.

...

The point of the Conners, like most television families, is not that they stand for a whole class of people but that they are individuals whose company, and whose conflicts, we find stimulating or comforting. We may share some of their circumstances or opinions or behaviors, but like our own families, we are aware that they are unique, identifiably human but indefinable merely by wealth, race, gender or politics. They don't agree on everything, and to make them stand for White Working-Class America, whatever that is, is as quixotic as Barr's belief that Donald Trump is a supporter of LGBTQ rights.

...

It's not necessary to like every joke or expressed attitude to admire the show. (I do.) Like the people it portrays, it's complicated. What makes "Roseanne" work for a wide array of viewers is that these people have sides; you can't boil them down to a stereotype. They don't stand for White Working-Class America, which has become erroneously synonymous with Trump's America, any more than they stand for the Hollywood production process that gives them life.

They are working class and white, but are they conservative? Not particularly, as far as those issues are commonly understood. It mocks the blithe entitlement of the rich. It stands up for the oddball. It accepts what used to be called "mixed marriages" – son D.J. (Michael Fishman), back from serving in Syria, has an African American daughter (Jayden Rey) — without comment, because such things have become normal even in places one might not expect. (Anyone who watches a little reality TV knows this to be true.)

...

There are times when television romanticizes the past and times when it idealizes the future, in either case showing us a kinder, better, more inclusive world than the one we're living in. At other times, it shows us something more akin to the world as it is.

"Roseanne" hits all those notes. It's both old-fashioned — a family comedy in which lessons are learned and love is shared by an episode's end — and, in its doomed-to-struggle way, aspirational.

Its point, both within the show, as a work of art in the world, is that you make allowances for people you love, even as you hold them to account.

also just rewatching s01e06

possibly one of the best episodes ever

where roseanne goes bowling

she looks and sounds way more comfortable in her role and her non-stop zinging is just amazing

firing on all cylinders

"These TV characters can't be racist, they have a black daughter in law" is a Bad Take.

Talk of Home Improvement brings this to mind, not sure if anyone's seen the actual doc; Too Funny To Fail but.. oh man..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfDjnAdczQI

so is this show funny or what

No Alfred it’s not. Roseanne and John Goodman have insane chemistry in current interviews but it doesn’t seem to translate to screen in the new series. Roseanne’s line delivery is often stilted and imo hard to believe

Also the idea of a normal working class Everyman family on tv seems impossible to believe. It’s like some twilight zone redux shit

"These TV characters can't be racist, they have a black daughter in law" is a Bad Take.

"It accepts what used to be called 'mixed marriages'" = "See, they aren't racist."

We already have a show about white working people on TV. It's called "Bob's Burgers" and is hilarious.

I mean, I'm not the one who brought up accepting "mixed marriages'" as an indicator of whether one is or isn't "conservative," but clearly the writer meant *something* by it.

episode 3 was a marked improvement

One can enjoy the work of actors while finding them politically moronic; this doesn't really need to be pointed out on a music-centric messageboard where we all admire some extremely stupid musicians.

^ yeah. Also the creators of the new Roseanne have stated Trump won't be mentioned again in the show after the initial episode

Surprising that this show is being mentioned after the initial episode.

Seannesplaining

becky still rules

There's a scene in the most recent episode where Darlene and David, having reunited after a long separation, stare at each other for a while before echoing the same sentiment to each other: "You look like my kids." It's a beautiful moment, because it feels so accurate; I imagine that this is exactly how people who share children might come to see each other over time. Sara Gilbert and Johnny Galecki play the scene like they've been living the lives of their old characters for the decades since they've played them (which, obviously, they have not). David claims that part of the reason he ran off years earlier is because he didn't know how to deal with his brother's death, and in the previous episode Darlene observes how Becky, now a fortysomething alcoholic, has been emotionally frozen at the age at which she lost her husband (not stated, but perhaps the 33 that she is pretending to be in order to get paid to be a surrogate?). Earlier, when under the parents' roof again, they're sniping away at each other like they're still teenagers, but here they bond over the disappointments of adulthood. If the show were smart, it would realize that the Becky/Darlene relationship holds the same vital position in this revival that the Roseanne/Jackie relationship did in the original series and run with it.

But, ugh, too much of the rest of the show just feels off, starting with Roseanne's once razor-sharp timing. John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf, arguably the two finest actors on television during the time of the original series run, are short-changed by the writing; Jackie, in particular, is written like a cartoon now, so Metcalf has little choice but to play her as one. Bev always walked the line between funny-annoying and actually-annoying, but the best they can give her this time around is some jokes about geriatric sex. A scene in which Roseanne comically abuses her granddaughter (met with laughter and applause by the studio audience) is shockingly ignorant, given that the original series included an episode in which Roseanne has to confront the legacy of abuse that she may have inherited from her father. I did like the episode about Darlene's genderqueer son (clemenza probably otm upthread about the cloyingness of his acting, but I'm finding many of the performances here, including those from more seasoned actors, so hit and miss that I barely notice), mostly because it feels groundbreaking: I don't think this has been done on a popular sitcom yet.

I still haven't watched this but read that Roseanne calls her granddaughter a bitch in an episode and puts her head under the faucet?

OH duh, I see that is what you were referring to directly above.

Actually a pretty accurate portrait of old people getting crankier and more set in their wrong ways with age.

Metcalf was forced to be very broad in the post lottery winning episodes too. The prerelease still from this that showed her in women’s march wear gave me such a bad omen. The David and Darlene Becky stuff described above is the first thing I read that made me curious to check this out.

Jackie isn't wearing the women's march wear because it's what she wears every day; it's just a one-off, deliberate choice to piss off Roseanne.

starting with Roseanne's once razor-sharp timing

Roseanne's delivery was the worst thing about the original show.

(on-screen, that is - her treatment of staff was far worse.)

Goodman was really the rock of that show. the writing, too - dealt with a lot of topics that sitcoms avoided, such as mental illness, had the balls to show a relatively realistic family argument that resulted in more than hurt feelings.

afraid to sully my memories of this show with the new eps.

s01e21 titled death and stuff also shows rosie on fire

fastest gun in the midwest

I really like this show

starting with Roseanne's once razor-sharp timing

Roseanne's delivery was the worst thing about the original show.

― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Friday, April 20, 2018 12:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't agree with this. Roseanne isn't much of an actor but her comic timing and ability to deliver a one-liner in the original show, coming from her stand-up background, is great imo

yeah, I was being hyperbolic, DJ's acting was usually worse

Is that why he’s only had like 2 lines in the revival thus far?

My memory of Roseanne's delivery is her waiting a beat then delivering a louder line, she was a better actress in the non-punchline moments.

^ yeah

I thought kid-DJ was great (and weird). I think of that episode where he described the kissing game he played at a party. The actor's limitations set in near the end, when he became a teenager; he was pretty bad in the one episode I've seen from the new season.

have one more episode left to watch of the first season and kid dj starts off really bad

but he starts to improve 2/3 of the season in

s01e22 is where i'm finally noticing him

s01e23 (last episode) let's call it quits

powerful episode where booker is fired, new supervisor raises quotas and mistreats employees then roseanne and her cohort quit

always had mixed feelings about george clooney as supervisor, he always seemed too cool to be one

Tonight’s episode, with Roseanne learning some valuable lessons re: her new Muslim neighbors, is the kind of thing that the series might have handled with grace and subtlety back in the old days but here comes off as so forced that I actually felt embarrassed watching it. The less this new series focuses on Becky and Darlene, the less watchable it is.

s02e04

roseanne suggests doing the old popcorn trick with dan at the movies

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-sara-gilbert-roseanne-revival-20180522-story.html

The show's triumph allowed star Roseanne Barr to return to the spotlight as a lightning rod of controversy. A flood of think pieces examined her support of President Trump and the show's point of view in the divisive cultural climate.

Seated at her publicist's offices, Gilbert carefully considers some of the blowback the show has received largely fueled by Barr's Twitter feed and outspokenness.

"It's such a political climate now that I always am nervous that people will hear one thing, see one thing and pre-judge the show, or decide not to watch the show," she said. "You can never control the way people interpret something or take something. . I think the show itself has a great message… I think we're at a time in our culture where when somebody doesn't like what one person has to say, they'll stop listening or not want to see an entire product that is related to a lot of points of view, and a lot of people."

She continues: "Of course, I don't love it if people aren't going to watch the show for those reasons, but I think for the most part, people seem to be watching. The ones that are can see that it's a show for everybody. It's not a show about one political party or it's not a show that's a platform for one set of ideas. It's really about a family that is divided over politics."

As the driving force behind the show's return, Gilbert is protective of its legacy. She was just entering her teen years when the show originally launched in 1988 and she remembers how it resonated as one of the few shows depicting a working-class family.

Gilbert won't go so far as saying the recent election sparked the idea to bring back "Roseanne," but she notes the timing of its return at "such a perfect time culturally."

Is this worth watching still?

compared to when?

I thought the two most recent episodes (detailing Roseanne's needing knee surgery and addiction to pain killers) were pretty good, but I'm still annoyed that they can't find anything better to do with Jackie than to make her into a cartoon.

Sorry to have tweeted incorrect info about you!I Please forgive me! By the way, George Soros is a nazi who turned in his fellow Jews 2 be murdered in German concentration camps & stole their wealth-were you aware of that? But, we all make mistakes, right Chelsea?

— Roseanne Barr (@therealroseanne) May 29, 2018

God, Roseanne's a terrible piece of shit

she may just need a new diagnosis, or better treatment

Her twitter...wtf.

Ugh

Actually liking this show a lot and found the pills episode pretty potent

I apologize. I am now leaving Twitter.

— Roseanne Barr (@therealroseanne) May 29, 2018

Two things Trump has yet to do, fwiw.

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S08E14/1221152.jpg?b64lines=SSBIQVZFCiBUTyBHTyBOT1cuIE1ZIFBMQU5FVAogTkVFRFMgTUUu

here we fucking go

BREAKING: ABC has canceled "Roseanne"

— John Koblin (@koblin) May 29, 2018

ABC entertainment prez Channing Dungey: "Roseanne's Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show."

— John Koblin (@koblin) May 29, 2018

Good.

Fucking world

I'm still thinking this is a hoax, but if not, this is huge!

Yeah waiting until confirmed

it's the TV reporter for the NY Times reporting a source at ABC why would this be a hoax?

who do you want to confirm it?

Same statement on a different account:

BULLETIN: ABC says "Roseanne's Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show."

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) May 29, 2018

The Chelsea Clinton/George Soros thing wasn't what did it - she tweeted "Muslim Brotherhood + Planet of the Apes had a baby" about Valerie Jarrett. The tweet has been deleted, I think, but that was the final straw.

Major news outlets are reporting it. Congrats to the world.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/roseanne-canceled-abc-1202824211/

great, Laurie Metcalf can do more theatre!

Roseanne's Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent

would be rad if they went back and diligently tweeted this in reply to every one of her abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent-with-values "Twitter statements" of the last nine years, so we know they really mean it

And the show's a hit, so, uh, wow

working class hero Roseanne puts hundreds of ppl out of work

Ah yeah it’s confirmed. Sorry

“Roseanne was topical when it aired, why wouldn’t a reboot be the same?”
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:47

how long before Fox picks it up

This is the last time I remember a Top Ten sitcom being canceled for very different "political" reasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_Loves_Bernie

Simon could be entirely otm there

is roseanne the craziest jewish person

what did she tweete

i assume ABC are referring to (now deleted):

"muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj"

where VJ = valerie jarrett

yes (i frankly had no memory of VJ)

is roseanne the craziest jewish person

...

who could have foreseen that giving this lunatic a platform would be problematic

trump has a rally tonight btw

definitely one of the costliest tweets in history (non-President division)

how long before Fox picks it up

― Simon H., Tuesday, May 29, 2018 11:06 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don’t know ABC’s rights to the show but the other issue would be Goodman, Metcalf, etc wanting to stick with the show after this.

We can probably already write Trump’s response to this Roseanne thing, assuming he has one. Which he probably will.

Wondering if the President will even wait to speak about this situation at the rally.

the other issue would be Goodman, Metcalf, etc wanting to stick with the show after this

True. It would be cheaper just to give her a new vehicle.

So weird but also telling that the offending tweet was about Valerie Jarrett, who only remains an important figure of obsession to the Fox News crowd.

Feel like Disney might've been a little on the fence about the reboot from the start, as Roseanne's descent into madness seems at odds with the general direction in which they've been trending the last couple of years.

Like it doesn't feel like 2018 Roseanne fits on the same network as Black-ish.

Just take a moment to observe all the things Roseanne had to do to get canceled:

- Call Valerie Jarrett an ape
- accuse dems child sex trafficking
- tell Hillary Clinton to commit suicide
- accuse Chelsea Clinton of being part of a Jewish conspiracy
- call George Soros a Nazi

— Travon Free (@Travon) May 29, 2018

I've never heard of Valerie Jarrett before today.

Be racist and shitty all the time --> Here is a TV show
Do a racist tweet --> YOUR SHOW IS CANCELLED

lol otm

Wanda Sykes bailed before the cancellation was announced. Sara Gilbert issues a distancing statement.

issued, that is

so Mel Gibson still works cuz he's not on Twitter

Also, did ABC somehow fail to read Roseanne's twitter prior to bringing her show back?

It's a lot like the wuick hiring/firing of that guy at the Atlantic (Kevin Williamson)? "He said misogynist stuff but we thought he was joking. Then he said another misogynist thing so we are firing him."

Also conservatives have really done well with this Soros tall tale. Now he's not only a "nazi collaborator," he's an actual nazi himself who literally turned in other jews and stole their wealth! Looking forward to when "Soros: Architect of the Holocaust" hits the shelves a year from now.

The president's son retweeted the Roseanne Barr Soros Nazi lie pic.twitter.com/w2UonLyPHN

— David Frum (@davidfrum) May 29, 2018

If by 'architect of the Holocaust' you mean 'Satan incarnate' then you are clearly on to something.

Psychosis is so hot right now.

I...don’t care about roseanne in 2018, so forgive me — but wasn’t she like a democratic socialist within the past 5 years? or am I confusing her with someone else

I remember in the 90s when everyone was like "Roseanne is such an annoying human" and I'm glad she's being appreciated as awesome these days

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:07 AM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wonder if well be saying this about Kathy Griffin in 10 yrs

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:08 AM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://stanfordflipside.com/images/8ball.png

we live in a world
where crazy sells

lol! Soros was born in 1930, he was apparently a very precocious 10 yr old.

Who is going to take away Don Jr's show?

This is the thread where we talk about Roseanne.

must we?

lol! Soros was born in 1930, he was apparently a very precocious 10 yr old.

^ I keep seeing this or something similar. It's debunked bullshit, but not because he was too young:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany/

I...don’t care about roseanne in 2018, so forgive me — but wasn’t she like a democratic socialist within the past 5 years? or am I confusing her with someone else

― k3vin k., Tuesday, May 29, 2018 11:47 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she ran in the presidential primary for the green party in 2012 and was the peace and freedom party presidential candidate that year

What abt the trump show

So if I understand what you're saying, Adolf Hitler shaved off his mustache and changed his name to George Soros at some point. Hmm, intersting.

Yeah, didn't read the link but my memory is that he was hidden by a catholic family, and at one point (as a teenager) had to help inventory property of a Jewish person or people who had been sent to camps. That's the extent of his "nazi collaboration." He made a list of some property so that he could avoid being sent to death camps himself.

he also turned 15 a month before the war ended

Do you have any 'Soros = all of the Nazis in a single form' literature that I can distribute from the card table I set up outside of the post office all day every day, y/n

We need to start publishing guides on how younger people can keep their elders from getting brain worms. Step one - secretly install net nanny software for right wing memes when they download a virus and you have to fix it.

I've been saying for years that we need a fake internet for them to access.

The problem is there are too many young people getting the brain worms now.

wait, being a nazi is suddenly a bad thing?

I keep wanting to childlock Fox on my mom’s TV when I visit and am about to go to the airport but she never creates an opportunity for that to happen.

Maybe they'll cancel Trump next.

My dad posting gruesome and fake benghazi torture pics on his facebook was where I drew the line.

So everyone claiming she was the everyman voice of Trump’s America was right after all

Yeah in a lot of ways she's just accurately tracking the trajectory of her character's demographic. The Roseanne Conner of 1988 probably would be tweeting about Valerie Jarrett in 2018.

MOAR LIKE ROSEANNE BARRRRRRRRR

RRRRRRRRR

RRRRRRRRR

RRRRRRRRR

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F

I realize this is an unpopular thing to say right now, but Roseanne is legitimately, clinically mentally ill, and not responsible for what she says in the way someone who is not would be. The real question is why ABC built a show around someone who's mentally ill.

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) May 29, 2018

So weird but also telling that the offending tweet was about Valerie Jarrett, who only remains an important figure of obsession to the Fox News crowd.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 1:28 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have no idea why the hell Fox would be talking about this woman in 2018, at all, and I have no inclination to find out

finding minor figures to fixate on, and make their names conspiratorial catchphrases, is a really special Fox News trait

you'll be seeing these images a lot if you haven't already

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-roseanne-pose-as-adolf-hitler-photo-shoot/

they should keep the show on the air and just kill her off like NBC did to Valerie Harper. why should everyone else lose their jobs?

(he's not a doctor and neither am i, but this seems close to the truth) xxxp

Heeb was so bad. It doesn't still exist does it?

it's live on the web but ceased print in 2010

Next up: @NRATV releases a video of a screaming host killing a live peacock with a mallet because he confused the NBC and ABC logos

— KneelBeforeHat (@Popehat) May 29, 2018

og Roseanne rules, reboot was a garbage smarmy centrist pundits’ ideological fantasy projection of the noble trump voter and this is a p hilarious way for it to go out (love the abruptness + terseness of the ABC reply)

Amid all of this she was also campaigning on Twitter for the release of a two-bit British neo-Nazi who was arrested on contempt of court charges. I was surprised enough that she'd heard of him at all, which suggests either a deep immersion in this sort of shit or a direct line to the sort of people who would push that stuff her way.

My friend who is an immigrant was texting me about the canning and I was surprised he was a fan. He said she had rational conservative views like how the show portrayed her distrust of the new muslim neighbors but then in the end she stood up for them in her town. I was like "yes, because all immigrants need to prove themselves first as one of the good ones before people will leave them alone." I was happy I already read the articles on this stupid episode.

Yeah in a lot of ways she's just accurately tracking the trajectory of her character's demographic. The Roseanne Conner of 1988 probably would be tweeting about Valerie Jarrett in 2018.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 12:50 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

roseanne in the show is basically liberal - though probably doesn't vote/hates politicians.

she has a close friend and colleague who is gay, is disgusted when she learns that DJ doesn't want to kiss a girl in a school play because she's black (although she realizes that she has her own prejudices about race and sexuality but, you know, feels bad about them, examines them etc.), was a former hippy who attended anti-war marches in the 70s, in one episode darlene threatens to rebel by dating a young republican etc. the character of roseanne was less of a POS than the actual roseanne imo

Heeb was so bad. It doesn't still exist does it?

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 2:59 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's live on the web but ceased print in 2010

― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:04 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You just can't combine normie shit like "Let's celebrate our Jewish identity" with being totally "irreverent" and "deliberately in bad taste." Just doesn't work.

There is another US actor who is a Tommy Smith fan - Kevin Sorbo of some Xena spinoff fame. Nick Griffin's fan club never glittered with so much stardust!

Tommy Robinson obv

hard to keep track of all these Tommy rightbacks.

her agent has dropped her, which is a bigger deal than a cancellation imo. the success of the reboot has gotta be down in large part to the offscreen people in her orbit making moves, and while agents try not to talk shit about former clients, they're able to talk to one another in terms that are easily understood, plus there's plenty of gossip.

I have to assume that a lot of people were honestly of the mindset that she was going to straighten up if given another shot at mainstream success, but since when is that a thing wrt people who seem to have gone over the edge and comfortably remained there for a long long time?

i liked heeb

working class hero Roseanne puts hundreds of ppl out of work

― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 2:03 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

her tweets are boilerplate racist right wing crank talk, repulsive but so run of the mill, what a lame way to go out. at least get creative with your crazy. whatever. but Fuck her for putting her crew and everyone associated with Roseanne out of a job. the most offensive thing about this is her total disregard for the people around her & working for her.

Trump's probably trying to figure out a position he can appoint Roseanne to tbh

PRESS SECRETARY

please god. please

why are ppl like "poooor Hollywood tv ppl that decided to work on Roseanne" ??

Television production includes a lot of groundlings who make sets, do lighting, makeup, hair, and schlep stuff around for the important people. They're not ideologically invested in the content. It's a job.

why are ppl like "poooor Hollywood tv ppl that decided to work on Roseanne" ??

― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, May 29, 2018 6:44 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you think everyone in Hollywood gets to pick and choose what they work on? i'm not talking about Laurie Metcalf or John Goodman, I'm talking about PAs and makeup and catering, etc. obviously

c'mon guys, for every union Hollywood job she destroyed she probably created 10 racist nutjobs

so you were hoping this show would be a continued success because of the tv jobs it would create?

consequently i actually know a person that was offered work on this show and turned it down due to her politics.

so you were hoping this show would be a continued success because of the tv jobs it would create?

exactly nobody has said this

tv show employees are pretty used to shows getting cancelled guys

Television production includes a lot of groundlings who make sets, do lighting, makeup, hair, and schlep stuff around for the important people. They're not ideologically invested in the content. It's a job.

i know! you forget I'm from Hollywood. don't worry there will be more tv shows!

c'mon guys, for every union Hollywood job she destroyed she probably created 10 racist nutjobs

no. she catered to an audience of racist nutjobs, i really don't think she created any. she's not bill o'reilly

so you were hoping this show would be a continued success because of the tv jobs it would create?

what? if a show is cancelled due to poor ratings or wary executives, thems the breaks. this is one woman carelessly putting hundreds of people out of work in a matter of words

xxpost They are probably somewhat less used to hit shows which have been renewed for another season being abruptly cancelled.

Yeah exactly. christ

no. she catered to an audience of racist nutjobs, i really don't think she created any. she's not bill o'reilly

sheesh it's getting to be like a guy can't even make stupid puns around here

I got it, shakes, and I thought it was a very good stupid pun.

Tbh I believe that if you work on Roseanne you’re probably at a level where getting another job is not difficult.

And what chaki says is true I mean I also know people who have turned down jobs because of the talent involved or the content of the program.

also feel like hollywood is mega-unionized and they probably have some kind of compensation in contract

Xp

You’re talking about fluffers, right?

the point is Roseanne's behaviour, not what will specifically happen to each and every freelancer working on the set or in production.

the show has end credits maybe yall should look up the social media for everyone listed and hash out which ones u would be ok w losing their jobs

i'm okay with them all, even sara gilbert

Tbf she knew what she was doing

First they came for Roseanne, and I said nothing, because Roseanne sucks. Then they came for Bill Maher, and I said nothing, because Bill Maher also sucks.

— David Hill (@davehill77) May 29, 2018

Trump has the crowd chanting "animals" about ms13 Jesus fucking Christ

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BBUzavWryh0/maxresdefault.jpg

why can't y'all watch something anodyne and oatmeal like Joy Reid and Chris Hayes

According to the rwnj's it's hypocritical that Joy Reid hasn't been booted off the air. Sigh.

the show has end credits maybe yall should look up the social media for everyone listed and hash out which ones u would be ok w losing their jobs

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:24 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

presumably someone lost their job when like, idk Bob Newhart went off the air... should that show still be on to have saved their jobs? seems wrong

dammit I went to check, but Newhart has deleted all his tweets from 1962, must be some really dark shit in there

U mean he ripped off the pages from his diary

a @newhart twitter account where all the posts are replies but you can't read the other person's tweets

jeez i keep forgetting chaki has a new name

We love to kill our idols but when you look at yourself in the mirror do you feel good, free or are you just another pos?

Fuck this stupid world

Just sick of this throw people under the bus culture.

I’m
Waiting for
The ironic dipshit comment. Bring it.

Glad I bailed on the new show halfway through episode #2. I agree with Ross's general point, but not in this particular instance--whatever fallout comes her way is fine by me. If it's a mental health issue...I don't know enough about that end of it to comment.

Roseanne should have stuck to saying insanely racist things about Palestinians, which is something that that you can do freely without consequence in the United States for some reason.

— Murtaza Mohammad Hussain (@MazMHussain) May 29, 2018

not just in the united states tbf