So, in honor of Martin Luther King Day, my white friends are throwing a party today

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they're gonna watch the Jerk, Soulman and eat fried chicken, collared greens and watermelon.

i know they know better and think it's funny, and the selection of movies is kind of funny, but it's definitely bordering on Kill Whitey party status

for no other reason than i'm just not in the mood, i'm not going to the party.

jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

I say you go and invite some big scary black guys to go with you.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

I love you Jaxon but I hate your friends.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

My friend Mandy called me yesterday and said, "My mom's birthday is tomorrow, but we're celebrating it today." "Oh," I said, thinking nothing of it, since Sunday is usually a better day to get families together than Monday. "Because you know ... tomorrow," she said. "What?" "Well, because you know, my parents are kind of ... racist."

I'm not even sure I understand the logic here in not wanting your party to coincide with MLK Day. If you're a racist, wouldn't it be a good day to have a party, because then it could be like you were upstaging MLK, taking the day back for your own white celebrations?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I think I might be white. :(

adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

gah. i hate how many white people see this as some kind of "black" holiday.

americans in still-being-racist shocker.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't have the day off work, although it seems like half the city does due to the financial sector. However, the large corporation that owns my employer has a LIVE WEBCAST of their festivities in the corporate headquarters. There was also free birthday cake available (inexplicably) last Friday.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Jaxon, go, tie them to a chair and run 10 hours of Ousmane Sembene and Charles Burnett films.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm the only one in the office! We're supposed to be working but nobody showed up. But my boss called to check up on me.

(On saturday I had collared greens, blackeyed peas on rice, fried chicken and cornbread for lunch, but it had no special signifigance other than being really fucking good.xpost)

andy ---, Monday, 16 January 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

collared greens and black eyed peas are excellent -- i wish more restaurants served them.

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I've never been to a party where people watch movies.

paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

I believe you all mean collard greens.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Today is supposed to be a normal work day but almost everyone had to take half the day off anyway because each couldn't find a babysitter in time for their kids who had the day off school.

Way to go, businesses of the U.S.

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

I believe you all mean collard greens.

i THOUGHT collard was the correct spelling! thank you. i was too lazy to look it up.

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

they're gonna watch the Jerk, Soulman and eat fried chicken, collared greens and watermelon.

And if yer friends suck ass, and if they suck ass, well.. they're... no friends of mine.

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp51/media/images/product_detail/hotdog-green-3.jpg

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

collared greens and black eyed peas are excellent -- i wish more restaurants served them.

get thee down south

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Please tell us where this party is so we can crash it like at the end of Some Kind of Wonderful and/or beat the sh*t out of them. Honestly, is this even true??? Who would do such a thing?

oldeilx, Monday, 16 January 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

LOL at "collared greens"!

Dan (I Like My Greens In A Brooks Brothers Shirt) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

My late grandfather used to tease my grandmother that Earth Day was celebrated on his birthday while her birthday usually got pre-empted for, you guessed it, MLK Day. They were an elderly white couple who lived in Northwest Memphis, in case you were curious.

Oh, and this late breaking news: AP Poll: Blacks Likelier to Celebrate MLK Day. YOU DON'T SAY? I thought America was this completely homogenous society that the seers used to prophisize about.

Which reminds me, I gotta call my grandmother tomorrow.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Collard greens are lovely but my favorite southern delectable is fried okra.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

get thee down south

we have them here but they're hard to find unless you're at a "southern"/"soul food" restaurant or an old country buffet. it'd be nice to see them on more generic american-food menus, along with the usual burgers and salads and whatnot.

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

trying finding it in montreal :(

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I think I prefer mustard greens to collard greens.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

i don't.

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

LOL at "collared greens"!

at least we're not spelling them "colored greens"

*runs like hell*

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

so hey what are collard greens?

awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

so hey what are collard greens?

NUMMY!

Dan (LOL At "Colored Greens"!!!!!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:33 (twenty years ago)

this is random: anybody else know that today was also Religious Freedom Day?

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost

They're, um, greens! Like leafy greens, like spinach. You cook them all soft and yummy with some butter and garlic and maybe some pork thrown in there for extra fatty deliciousness.

My favorite green lately is broccoli rabe, cause of the bitter mustardy quality. Had some serious success with this around Christmas -- whatcha do is you melt a few anchovies in with your butter/garlic before sauteeing it. Something about that bitter bite + a mild fishy/salty quality = total awesomeness.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

The problem with cooking greens is that you go to the store and buy like a bushel of them, then take them home and cook them down to approximately one spoonful.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Mmmmm. Greens. The anchovies are a good idea! I never would have thought of that.

The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

This is making me want to take a trip down to Soul Vegetarian East.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

gah. i hate how many white people see this as some kind of "black" holiday.

Whitey can't win... he throws a party, he's showing disrespect, he don't throw a party, he's showing disrespect.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Throwing a party where you're showing Soul Man is unforgivable regardless of the day.

Dan (Death) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:01 (twenty years ago)

The above mentioned meal was at the new ------- Chicken & Waffle in Oakland's Jack London Square... inexplicably it is not a Roscoe's, but you can see on the awning where they removed his name... some kind of falling out?

andy ---, Monday, 16 January 2006 23:09 (twenty years ago)

Soul Vegetarian

hmmm. my conscience says yes but my taste buds say nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)

LOL at "collared greens"!

sorry, i typed it into google because i wasn't sure but thought it wasn't right. but it came up w/responses. i'm on my laptop and only now do i notice that just below the fold was "See results for: collard greens"

xpost - that Chicken & Waffle place is no where close to Roscoe's. went there and was bummed

jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)

"Whitey can't win... he throws a party, he's showing disrespect, he don't throw a party, he's showing disrespect. "

im wondering, is there a way to celebrate MLK jr. Day?

JD from CDepot, Monday, 16 January 2006 23:12 (twenty years ago)

JBR: It's delicious. Everything is really flavorful.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)

I started the day by listening to "A Change Is Gonna Come".

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

I forgot, what with it being not a holiday or anything in the UK. If I'd remembered, I'd have got in the spirit of it, and talked to at least one of the two black people in my department, maybe patted him on the head or something. I'm sure he'd have been grateful.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

jd, MLK Day has been pushed not as celebration or just a day off, but to be a day of public service. Y'know, free labor. "black" holiday. free labor, black holiday freelaborblackholiday, freelablackholiday, OFFICER.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)

i don't like any day where i don't get mail. mail is my only excitement during the day.

i wish i still had my all-star king holiday 45 from the 80's.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

i like the candy holidays. they should have more candy on mlk day and then i would like it more. they could have little chocolate corettas that you hide around the house.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

"By the Time I get to Arizona" by Public Enemy is the only song I can think of that is about the holiday itself- any others come to mind?

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)

LOL at Martin!

Dan (Hahahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

i don't like any day where i don't get mail.

or where the mail i've sent out isn't being delivered. there are too many such days this time of year.

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

the king holiday single had the chorus: "it's a king holiday/sing sing celebrate!" and i think kool moe dee was on it. catchy chorus, but the song wasn't very good. and certainly not memorable. i don't think they play it every year on the radio.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

"By the Time I get to Arizona" by Public Enemy is the only song I can think of that is about the holiday itself- any others come to mind?

isn't there a stevie wonder song about MLK day?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

the first soul food place in Seattle that comes to mind is Hillside Quickies, which is a vegan Jamaican/soul food sandwich shop.

Now I'm hungry for JERK SEITAN

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)

here is who was on that single:

King Dream Chorus and Holiday Crew w/ Menudo, The Fat Boys, Kurtis Blow, Teenia Marie, El Debarge, New Edition, Whitney Houston, Melle Mel, Whodini Stacey Lattisaw, James Taylor, Stephanie Mills, Lisa Lisa and Full Force "King Holiday" (Mercury - 1986)


(and run-dmc too. i took that from their website.)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)

the wifee said the party humor was "off colored". bwahahahah

jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Someone needs to bring back the Richard Pryor from 1977 and have him stop by jaxon's friends' house today.

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Or better yet, bring this by.

"I Have A Dream"
by Martin Luther King, Jr,
Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free.

One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land.

So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation.

So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights.

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Now I'm hungry for JERK SEITAN

i kiss u 4 that

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 January 2006 23:58 (twenty years ago)

"Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California!"

rowwrrr!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

makes me want to rent some russ meyer movies.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

It's such a great speech, and like Ulysses, everyone just knows the end.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:08 (twenty years ago)

i want some of this fried chicken, black eyed peas and collard greens action.

okra?? scrapple?? (is scrapple a southern thing or a midwestern thing?)

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:11 (twenty years ago)

scrapple is pennsylvania all the way.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Okra is fucking nasty and should be wiped from the Earth.

Dan (Kill All Okra) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah, scrapple is pure pittsburgh!

danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Okra puts hair on your chest! (And it's tasty, too!)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:23 (twenty years ago)

scrapple is big in philly too. it's a statewide phenomena. like pork roll.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Did "tasty" the colloquialism get modified to mean "rancid, disgusting and vomitous; akin to the mental image eating a diaper filled with diarrhea and vomit" at some point?

Dan (Fuck Okra In The Face) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)

pork roll is jersey too though.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)

BTW, the King estate doesn't like anyone using that speech without permission.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to see what a Thai restaruant could do with a heapin' of okra.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.

to my surprise, this is the line I felt most deeply while reading this out loud

on a different note, Dan you are crazy about the okra, I guarantee you that I could fry you up an okra dish that would change your mind on the subject

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

BTW, the King estate doesn't like anyone using that speech without permission.

Surely that only applies to making money off of it in some way, not posting it on a message board.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:03 (twenty years ago)

I hated okra too until I had it in a little hole-in-the-wall bbq place in Savannah. Heavenly.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Fried okra is the shit. I don't think I could stomach it any other way.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)

Dan otm

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

I finally found a good bindi bhaji (dry okra curry) recipe and it was wonderful. And of course fried is great too.

And mustard greens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnip greens >> collard greens.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Dan OTM for sure. Fried okra was the first food I learned to HATE HATE HATE when I was about 5. And this was a kid who drank sauerkraut juice out of a glass.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Turnip greens are friggin' boss, though. Now I'm wishing I had some of those and lots of cornbread, instead of the Chinese food I ordered.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

You okra haters got all your taste in your record collection and none in your mouth.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

re: king family's permission.

Not sure if it's just when used in for profit publications. The literature book I taught from was only allowed to publish an excerpt.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:17 (twenty years ago)

i heart okra. my mom got a taste for it from when she lived in the caribbean. again, i repeat -- I HEART OKRA, SLIMINESS AND HAIRINESS AND ALL YUM YUM.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:21 (twenty years ago)

i was told i was going to burn in cracker hell this weekend

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:27 (twenty years ago)

i didn't know where the closest bus stop was

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

White Crackers

Recipe By : The Fannie Farmer Cookbook
Serving Size : 1 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Quickbreads

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
2 Cups Flour
1 Tablespoon Sugar
2 Teaspoons Salt -- approximately
2 Tablespoons Butter -- chilled
2/3 Cup Milk -- plus droplets more
if needed

Preheat oven to 425F. Use ungreased cookie sheets. Combine flour, sugar,
and 1/2 teaspoon salt in a mixing bowl. Stir the dry ingredients to blend
well. Cut the butter into small pieces and add the the dry mixture. Using
either your fingertips or a pastry cutter, cut the bits of butter into the
dry mixture until it looks like fine crumbs. Slowly stir in the milk,
adding enough so the dough pulls away from the sides of the bowl. Add a few
drops more if the dough seems dry -- it should be soft and pliable, not wet
and sticky. Divide the dough in half. Lightly dust a surface with flour.
Roll each half out to a square approximately 13 x 13 inches and thinner than
1/8 inch. Trim the uneven edges and lift the dough onto the cookie sheet,
or roll over a rolling pin and unroll onto the cookie sheet. use a sharp
knife to score the dough into 2-inch squares, cutting almost through the
dough. Bake 6-8 minutes, or until the edges are slightly golden. Remove
from the oven and with a large spatula loosen the squares and turn them
over. Return to the oven and bake for another 5-6 minutes, or until the
edges are well browned. remove from the oven and slide the sheet onto racks
to cool. Break the crackrs apart when cool and store in an airtight
container. these will keep for weeks and taste fresh.
Makes 5-dozen 2-inch crackers.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)

re: king family's permission.

Well, it's out there on the web, on a page from the National Civil Rights Museum, in the Lorraine Motel in Memphis.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

So did anyone else see this flick "New Orleans" on Turner Classic Movies this weekend? It featured Billie Holiday . . . as a singing maid.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Jason, your friends are messed up.

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Jaxon, you know, I'm not one to get all reverent and sanctimonious, but I think one good way your friends could honor Dr. King's memory is by trying not to be such assholes.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

from that Wikipedia collard greens article:

The leaves are poorly digestible when raw and cannot be used in salads; they can be blended into a juice, usually in combination with sweet fruit juices to improve the flavor.

That is SO NOT TRUE. I tried that once and it was completely disgusting. But kale or collard greens fried w/garlic and butter are the best.

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

okra just needs to be cooked right for less sliminess!
There was an episode of US The Office wherein Steve Carell's character refused to believe that collard greens weren't actually called "colored greens". "Collard? That doesn't make sense!."

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:56 (twenty years ago)

"they're gonna watch the Jerk, Soulman and eat fried chicken, collared greens and watermelon."

die ironic hipster scum.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 03:03 (twenty years ago)

it could only have been funnier if they watched David Lynch films

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 03:52 (twenty years ago)

Beth, I think don was trying to be snarky about the irony of the King estate's ownership of that speech. I'm guessing he doesn't represent anyone as part of the estate (though correct me if I'm wrong.)

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 04:43 (twenty years ago)

I hated okra too until I had it in a little hole-in-the-wall bbq place in Savannah. Heavenly.
I think that was my first taste of okra. I was so glad you guys went on that trip with me.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

So this is the origin of the phrase "police brutality"?

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 05:17 (twenty years ago)

I mean MLK's speech: "Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality."

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 05:19 (twenty years ago)

Nabisco, forgive me for saying you're OTM, but rabe is a recent favorite.

Okra: I think it is a vile, slimy vegetable normally but when you cut it into small rondelles, cover it in corn meal and fry it in bacon fat, it's simply delicious.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and "Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood",

MW

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:45 (twenty years ago)

Turning an MLK thread into a soulfood discussion group is odd, so:
let's talk about soulfood and where we go to get it

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)

January 16, 2006
Op-Ed Contributor
Globalizing King's Legacy
By TAYLOR BRANCH

Baltimore

OFFICIAL celebrations of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday turn 20 years old this week.

Like that of Dr. King's late colleague Rosa Parks, the name behind our 10th national holiday carries more resonance than impact - noble, universal, yet bounded by race and time. The annual King event draws tributes to the end of legal segregation, reprises of landmark oratory and varied appraisals of problems for minorities. Yet despite our high-stakes national commitment to advance free government around the world, we consistently marginalize or ignore Dr. King's commitment to the core values of democracy.

His own words present a vast and urgent landscape for freedom. "No American is without responsibility," Dr. King declared only hours after the 1965 "Bloody Sunday" repulse of voting rights marchers in Selma, Ala. "All are involved in the sorrow that rises from Selma to contaminate every crevice of our national life," he added. "The struggle in Selma is for the survival of democracy everywhere in our land."

His public appeal gathered an overnight host from many states behind a blockaded vigil. When white supremacists beat one volunteer to death with impunity, Dr. King responded with prophetic witness against the grain of violence. "Out of the wombs of a frail world," he assured mourners, "new systems of equality and justice are being born."

Selma released waves of political energy from the human nucleus of freedom. Ordinary citizens ventured across cultural barriers, aroused a transnational conscience and engaged all three branches of government. After the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965, Dr. King claimed that the distinctive methods of sharecroppers and students had revived nothing less than the visionary heritage of the American Revolution. "The stirring lesson of this age is that mass nonviolent direct action is not a peculiar device for Negro agitation," he told the Synagogue Council of America. "Rather it is a historically validated method for defending freedom and democracy, and for enlarging these values for the benefit of the whole society."

This effusive axiom went unnoticed, but the blessings of freedom did ripple far beyond the black victims of caste. As Dr. King predicted, the civil rights movement liberated segregationists themselves. The integrity of law enforcement rose with a stark decline in racial terror. The Atlanta Braves joined the first professional sports teams to spring up at integrated stadiums, and business radiated Sun Belt growth into a region of historic poverty. In elections, new black voters generated the 20th century's first two-party competition to displace the ossified regimes of white supremacy. The stigma of segregation no longer curtailed a Southerner's chances for high national office, and fresh candidates rose swiftly to leadership in both national parties.

Parallel tides opened doors for the first female students at some universities and most private colleges, then the military academies. In 1972, civil rights agitation over doctrines of equal souls produced the first public ordination of a female rabbi in the United States, and the Episcopal Church soon introduced female clergy members in spite of schismatic revolts to preserve religious authority for men. Pauli Murray, a lawyer who was one of the pioneer priests, had pursued a legal appeal that in 1966 overturned several state laws flatly prohibiting jury service by women. "The principle announced seems so obvious today," Dr. Murray would write in a memoir, "that it is difficult to remember the dramatic break the court was making."

Overseas, as an amalgam of forces suddenly dissolved the Soviet empire atop its mountain of nuclear weapons, Dr. King's message echoed in the strains of "We Shall Overcome" heard along the Berlin Wall and the streets of Prague. Likewise, South African apartheid melted without the long-dreaded racial Armageddon, on miraculous healing words from a former prisoner, Nelson Mandela. Students shocked the world from Tiananmen Square with nonviolent demonstrations modeled on American sit-ins, planting seeds of democracy within the authoritarian shell of Chinese Communism.

These and other sweeping trends from the civil rights era have transformed daily life in many countries, and now their benefit is scarcely contested. Yet the political discourse behind them is atrophied. Public service has fallen into sad disrepute. Spitballs pass for debate. Comedians write the best-selling books on civics. Dr. King's ideas are not so much rebutted as cordoned off or begrudged, and for two generations his voice of anguished hope has given way to a dominant slogan that government itself is bad.

Above all, no one speaks for nonviolence. Indeed, the most powerful discipline from the freedom movement was the first to be ridiculed across the political spectrum. "A hundred political commentators have interred nonviolence into a premature grave," Dr. King complained after Selma. The concept seemed alien and unmanly. It came to embarrass many civil rights veterans themselves, even though nonviolence lies at the heart of democracy.

Every ballot - the most basic element of free government - is by definition a piece of nonviolence, symbolizing hard-won or hopeful consent to raise politics above anarchy and war. The boldest principles of democratic character undergird the civil rights movement's nonviolent training. James Madison, arguing to ratify the Constitution in 1788, summoned "every votary of freedom to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government," and he added that no form of government can secure liberty "without virtue in the people."

By steeling themselves to endure blows without retaliation, and remaining steadfastly open to civil contact with their oppressors, civil rights demonstrators offered shining examples of the revolutionary balance that launched the American system: self-government and public trust. All the rest is careful adjustment.

Like Madison, the marchers from Selma turned rulers and subjects into fellow citizens. A largely invisible people offered leadership in the role of modern founders. For an incandescent decade, from 1955 to 1965, the heirs of slavery lifted the whole world toward freedom.

Weariness and war intruded. In the White House, President Lyndon Johnson wrestled the political subtleties of sending soldiers to guarantee liberty at home. "Troops leave a bitter taste in the mouths of all the people," cautioned Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. The president moaned simultaneously over predictions of bloody stalemate if he sent troops to Vietnam, saying the prospect "makes the chills run up my back," but he succumbed to schoolyard politics. The American people, he feared, "will forgive you for everything except being weak."

Lamenting religious leaders who accommodated the war, Dr. King defended nonviolence on two fronts. "Have they forgotten that my ministry is in obedience to the one who loved his enemies so fully that he died for them?" he asked. "What then can I say to the Vietcong, or to Castro, or to Mao...? Can I threaten them with death or must I not share with them my life?" In politics, Dr. King endorsed a strategic alternative to violence. "We will stop communism by letting the world know that democracy is a better government than any other government," he told his congregation, "and by making justice a reality for all of God's children."

Pressures intensified within Dr. King's own movement. To battered young colleagues who wondered why nonviolence was consigned mostly to black people, while others admired James Bond, he could only commend the burden as a redemptive sacrifice. Change was slow, however, for a land still dotted with lynching, and frustration turned to rebellion as the war in Vietnam hardened the political climate. When offered incendiary but fleeting fame in 1966, the leaders of various black power movements repudiated nonviolence along with the vote itself, which they had given so much to win.

Meanwhile, Lyndon Johnson steadily lost his presidency at home before he could forge any political order in Vietnam. Although casualty figures confirmed the heavy advantage of American arms, Johnson fell victim to a historical paradox evolving since the age of Napoleon: modern warfare destroys more but governs less - one reason military commanders seem, in my limited experience, more skeptical than civilians about the political use of lethal force.

Dr. King grew ever more lonely in conviction about the gateway to constructive politics. "I'm committed to nonviolence absolutely," he wrote. "I'm just not going to kill anybody, whether it's in Vietnam or here." When bristling discouragement invaded his own staff, he exhorted them to rise above fear and hatred alike. "We must not be intimidated by those who are laughing at nonviolence now," he told them on his last birthday.

His oratory fused the political promise of equal votes with the spiritual doctrine of equal souls. He planted one foot in American heritage, the other in scripture, and both in nonviolence. "I say to you that our goal is freedom," he said in his last Sunday sermon. "And I believe we're going to get there because, however much she strays from it, the goal of America is freedom."

Only hours before his death, Dr. King startled an aide with a balmy aside from his unpopular movement to uplift the poor. "In our next campaign," he remarked, "we have to institutionalize nonviolence and take it international."

The nation would do well to incorporate this goal into our mission abroad, reinforcing the place of nonviolence among the fundamentals of democracy, along with equal citizenship, self-government and accountable public trust. We could also restore Dr. King's role in the continuing story of freedom to its rightful prominence, emphasizing that the best way to safeguard democracy is to practice it. And we must recognize that the accepted tradeoff between freedom and security is misguided, because our values are the essence of our strength. If dungeons, brute force and arbitrary rule were the keys to real power, Saudi Arabia would be a model for the future instead of the past.

Gunfire took Dr. King's life, but we determine his legacy. This holiday, let that inspiration remain our patriotic challenge.

Taylor Branch is the author, most recently, of"At Canaan's Edge," the third volume of his biography of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 08:33 (twenty years ago)

Thread killed.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

party's over

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060116/capt.pabb10201161824.king_day_pabb102.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:13 (twenty years ago)

http://bubo21.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ladyelaine.jpg

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.azstarnet.com/ss/2005/03/17/66111-2.jpg

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:40 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2010/02/05/nbc_black_history/index.html

jaxon, Friday, 5 February 2010 22:56 (sixteen years ago)

I totally don't get Salon's take on it nor Questlove's. I read elsewhere that the chef (who's a black lady) really wanted to cook some of her family's traditional food. What's wrong with that?

L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:14 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nbc_lost_soul_UM3zLz05eb8QDjm6JsbNwK

L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

lol

mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:23 (sixteen years ago)

(Has ?uestlove said anything substantive about it beyond the original Twitter post? I mean, it's hard to judge tone from a couple words and a picture, but it seemed somewhat jokey and only vaguely miffed, way more of a raised eyebrow than a complaint.)

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:45 (sixteen years ago)

ta-nehisi coates posted about it. he def took the picture as a joke, the whole thing is retarded

harbl, Friday, 5 February 2010 23:48 (sixteen years ago)

From that Post article:

"Thompson, who has 1.2 million Twitter followers, clearly realized he'd started a food fight.

An hour after he circulated the menu, he tweeted, "i think i need a twitter break. i done started something. and now i must put out fire."

Actually, on reflection, it's the NBC mgmt I don't quite get.

L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:48 (sixteen years ago)

I guess I was asking if he elaborated anywhere, because while most people would read the Twitter post as a sort of mock-offended joke, the chef seems to be saying he really felt insulted?

I know it's not realistic to expect anything else from a corporate hierarchy, but the sort of tight-lipped damage-control methods people use for dealing with this kind of stuff almost always make them look way worse than they would if they just spoke reasonably. (Especially when the original thing is a casual, ironic joke, not some big righteous complaint.)

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 5 February 2010 23:59 (sixteen years ago)


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