OSCAR NOMINATIONS 2005

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The other thread was gettin' too big. Post reactions to the nominations here.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Other thread?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

No surprises, except maybe Munich and William Hurt:

THE OFFICIAL LIST FROM OSCAR.COM:

Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
78th Annual Academy Awards Nominations
PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE
Philip Seymour Hoffman - CAPOTE
Terrence Howard - HUSTLE & FLOW
Heath Ledger - BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
Joaquin Phoenix - WALK THE LINE
David Strathairn - GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.

PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
George Clooney - SYRIANA
Matt Dillon - CRASH
Paul Giamatti - CINDERELLA MAN
Jake Gyllenhaal - BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
William Hurt - A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE

PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Judi Dench - MRS. HENDERSON PRESENTS
Felicity Huffman - TRANSAMERICA
Keira Knightley - PRIDE & PREJUDICE
Charlize Theron - NORTH COUNTRY
Reese Witherspoon - WALK THE LINE

PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Amy Adams - JUNEBUG
Catherine Keener - CAPOTE
Frances McDormand - NORTH COUNTRY
Rachel Weisz - THE CONSTANT GARDENER
Michelle Williams - BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE FILM OF THE YEAR
HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE
TIM BURTON'S CORPSE BRIDE
WALLACE & GROMIT IN THE CURSE OF THE WERE-RABBIT

ACHIEVEMENT IN ART DIRECTION
GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.
HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE
KING KONG
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
PRIDE & PREJUDICE

ACHIEVEMENT IN CINEMATOGRAPHY
BATMAN BEGINS
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
THE NEW WORLD

ACHIEVEMENT IN COSTUME DESIGN
CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
MRS. HENDERSON PRESENTSPRIDE & PREJUDICE
WALK THE LINE

ACHIEVEMENT IN DIRECTING
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
CAPOTE
CRASH
GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.
MUNICH

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
DARWIN'S NIGHTMARE
ENRON: THE SMARTEST GUYS IN THE ROOM
MARCH OF THE PENGUINS
MURDERBALL
STREET FIGHT

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
THE DEATH OF KEVIN CARTER: CASUALTY OF THE BANG BANG CLUB
GOD SLEEPS IN RWANDA
THE MUSHROOM CLUB
A NOTE OF TRIUMPH: THE GOLDEN AGE OF NORMAN CORWIN

ACHIEVEMENT IN FILM EDITING
CINDERELLA MAN
THE CONSTANT GARDENER
CRASH
MUNICH
WALK THE LINE

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM OF THE YEAR
DON'T TELL
JOYEUX NOèL
PARADISE NOW
SOPHIE SCHOLL - THE FINAL DAYS
TSOTSI

ACHIEVEMENT IN MAKEUP
THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE
CINDERELLA MAN
STAR WARS: EPISODE III REVENGE OF THE SITH

ACHIEVEMENT IN MUSIC WRITTEN FOR MOTION PICTURES
(ORIGINAL SCORE)
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
THE CONSTANT GARDENER
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
MUNICH
PRIDE & PREJUDICE

ACHIEVEMENT IN MUSIC WRITTEN FOR MOTION PICTURES
(ORIGINAL SONG)
"In the Deep" - CRASH
"It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" - HUSTLE & FLOW
"Travelin' Thru" - TRANSAMERICA

BEST MOTION PICTURE OF THE YEAR
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
CAPOTE
CRASH
GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.
MUNICH

BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM
BADGERED
THE MOON AND THE SON: AN IMAGINED CONVERSATION
THE MYSTERIOUS GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORATIONS OF JASPER MORELLO
9
ONE MAN BAND

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
AUSREISSER (THE RUNAWAY)
CASHBACK
THE LAST FARM
OUR TIME IS UP
SIX SHOOTER

ACHIEVEMENT IN SOUND EDITING
KING KONG
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
WAR OF THE WORLDS


ACHIEVEMENT IN SOUND MIXING
THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE
KING KONG
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
WALK THE LINE
WAR OF THE WORLDS

ACHIEVEMENT IN VISUAL EFFECTS
THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE
KING KONG
WAR OF THE WORLDS

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
CAPOTE
THE CONSTANT GARDENER
A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE
MUNICH

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
CRASH
GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.
MATCH POINT
THE SQUID AND THE WHALE
SYRIANA

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

i find charlize theron over joan allen to be a huge surprise (and mistake).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

for the bigger categories i pick:

actor - hoffman
actress - huffman
supporting actor - gyllenhaal or clooney
supporting actress - francis Mc
director - brokeback
art direction - geisha
animation - timmy b
cinematography - brokeback
picture - capote
screenplay - crash

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

No way re Huffman. Witherspoon's got it. The other three choices are also-rans.

Clooney will probably get supporting actor.

BBM will get shut out of all the acting awards but will win Best Picture, Director, and Adapted Screenplay.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

No King Kong? That was a fine film, and I thought it was exactly Oscar material. Or did they think Jackson already got his own with LoTR?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

oh come on. its oscar law that the chick that makes herself look the ugliest or most like a man wins. you know those academy judges are sitting up there saying 'pish! acting schmacting!'.

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:23 (twenty years ago)

King Kong? Dude, ITS A MONKEY MOVIE.

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Well, by that logic Titanic was an ICEBERG MOVIE, but that didn't stop it from winning.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

because there were no monkeys!

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:26 (twenty years ago)

I agree about Hoffman for Capote, though. He's been taking all the right lead up awards for a win at the Oscars, and, while Joaquin has taken some for WTL, those were combo comedy/musical roles. I don't think, as good as he was, that his performance will resonate with the Academy like Capote will.

And Reese has got it. But man, wouldn't Keira Knightly give an awesomely surprised and flabber-fucking-gasted acceptance speech? That would be an awesome Oscar moment. Prolly ain't gonna happen, but still.

And yes, BBM should win Picture, Director and Adapted Screenplay.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

B-b-but the Monkey was the best thing in the movie! They should give HIM the best actor Oscar!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Hoffman's got it sewed up re Capote, unless the BBM juggernaut proves in one month that it's not a one-shot thing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

king kong's a relative bomb, hollywood's not celebrating it's failures

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I always have to bite my tongue on this thread every year. Anyone who's been paying attention to the precursor awards shouldn't be surprised in the slightest by any of this, except maybe Hurt.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

were the five best pic nominees really that sewn up or did time get lucky (or tipped)?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

this anti-monkey sentiment makes me want to start throwing my own feces at my trainers

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

JB, Munich was really the only maybe among that list. It was gonna be that or Walk the Line for the final slot.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Pierce Brosnan was SO deserving for The Matador. But I guess it's funny, so no go.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)


I'm pleased that Spielberg will at least get to sit there and lose to BBM, while his film gets seen by more people.

Well, by that logic Titanic was an ICEBERG MOVIE

But it won because ITS HEART was about ETERNAL LOVE between TEENAGERS, not a woman and a big ape. Oh, and cuz it made a billion dollars.

Kind of cool that Malick's DP Lubezki got one, he didn't get a guild nom. He'll lose to either the pretty gay mountains or the b&w CBS newsroom.

But yeah, in general a fucking boring list as usual.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Terrence Howard got two nominations: Best Actor and Best Song. Would've been interesting if he'd gotten the Supporting Actor nom as well, but I'm also happy they narrowed down the Crash cast to only one actor nominated.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised by the lack of nominations of The Constant Gardener and I'm sickened by Judi Dench's nomination. Could there ever be an actor/actress that is more overrated? Not that she's bad in any way, but this film and her performance in it was nothing special whatsoever.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:45 (twenty years ago)

my predix:

pic - bareback
actor - heath
actress - reese
sup actor - giamatti
sup actress - catherine keener
director - clooney
orig screenplay - crash
adap screenplay - brokeback
animated flic - wallace and gromit
art direction - kong
cinematography - brokeback

dench's nod has as much to do with the weinsteins as her

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone see Mrs. Henderson Presents?

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Could there ever be an actor/actress that is more overrated?

By the Academy? middle-aged to elderly Jack Lemmon.

Anyone have the list of number of nominations per film?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

I think they just accidently printed up a bunch of nominations with Dench's name on them about 10 years ago.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

JB: the only one among those predix that I can't get behind is Clooney for Director. Hollywood loves Ang Lee, and he's never won before. With Brokeback's probable win, I think Lee is a lock.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Could there ever be an actor/actress that is more overrated?

emma thompson. really both of them need to stay in their period piece holes so the rest of us dont have to look at them.

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

where is the love for viggo mortensen in history of violence, or history of violence generally for that matter?

hope crash wins the screenplay

barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Emma Thompson is good. Pretty much always. I might even go to Nanny McPhee.

Clooney will win Supp Actor partly as a semi-consolation prize for losing to Ang Lee, the way Jessica Lange won for Tootsie the year she was also up for Frances.

I really believe if the Best Picture nominees had been announced on New Years Day, Walk the Line would've squeezed out Munich. The political wingnut attacks on Spielberg led them to circle the wagons.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone explain why Heath Ledger's performance is seen, by everyone, to be so much better than Jake Gyllenhaal's? I have not seen the film but previous to this I was more impressed by his acting than Heath's. Is it so that Heath's characther was more interesting and gave him more room to ACT?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

AHOV was too abstract for the Academy, ie, the reason they largely rejected it has nothing to do with its being mostly bullshit. (A History of Violence would've been a good title for Munich though.)

Ledger is the more tortured of the two characters; he ducks his head and twitches a lot. He does it quite well, and the film is ultimately (literally) about him rather than JG's character.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I think the real question is this: will "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" be performed at the Oscar ceremonies?

ng-unit, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone explain why Heath Ledger's performance is seen, by everyone, to be so much better than Jake Gyllenhaal's?

Dude, he came from this:

http://www.markheadrick.com/dvd/images/AKnightsTale.jpg

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I'd certainly never seen any of Ledger's starring vehicles before, they all looked so fucking useless. (And he appears to be 'back on track' with Casanova.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

All I know is: anyone that goes from second banana in an Ashanti video to getting "Academy Award nominee" attached to their resume is getting my full support.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone explain why Heath Ledger's performance is seen, by everyone, to be so much better than Jake Gyllenhaal's? I have not seen the film but previous to this I was more impressed by his acting than Heath's. Is it so that Heath's characther was more interesting and gave him more room to ACT?

I'm more fond of Gyllie's performance, in part because the doe-eyed ardor which annoyed the piss out of me in earlier movies finally works in BBM.

Could there ever be an actor/actress that is more overrated?
By the Academy? middle-aged to elderly Jack Lemmon.

Meryl Streep is a better analogy. She got/gets nominated for sneezing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm more fond of Gyllie's performance, in part because the doe-eyed ardor which annoyed the piss out of me in earlier movies finally works in BBM.

Should an actor be rewarded for just being himself, if being himself happens to fit really well with the role he was cast in? It seems like that award should go to the casting director, not the actor.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what "being himself" means. There is no such thing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

i don't really understand why giamatti's out ahead... i mean i liked him in cinderella man, probably the best part of the movie (besides the last fight), but i don't really see it as an oscar front-runner.

q'orianka kilcher was totally robbed. esp. in a year like this of not particularly spectacular roles for women there's no reason she shouldn't be up there. she was ROBBED!

and munich was TOTALLY ROBBED for art direction & cinematography. batman begins?!?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

(i liked BB but giving an oscar to the guy who shot those fight scenes would be a travesty... though i guess the editor & director are equally to blame)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

BEST MOTION PICTURE OF THE YEAR
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN
CAPOTE
CRASH
GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK.
JUDI DENCH

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I just noticed that this is the first year in memory in which I saw all the nominees for Picture, Actor, Supporting Actor, and Director before award time, yet have only see ONE of the Best Actress selections.

At this rate Amy Adams and Michelle Williams better pray they DON'T get the trophy

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what "being himself" means. There is no such thing

I'm talking about the "doe-eyed ardor" that didn't fit in previous roles, but works well in BBM, according to your earlier post.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

But I wouldn't confuse the doe-eyed ardor he projects with "being himself."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)


xpost re Jake G
We'd have to know what "himself" was really like. Some ppl comfort themselves with thinking Keanu is a total fuckin' moron.

Giamatti is a total make-up for his Sideways passover.

I can't think of a Streep nom that wasn't for a decent performance, tho I'm more fond of the Cry in the Dark / Ironweed era.

Thank God for big pimpin', or we'd have 20 lilywhite actors again.


Tally:
Brokeback Mountain-8 noms
Crash-6 noms
Good Night and Good Luck-6 noms
Capote-5 noms
Munich-5 noms
Walk the Line-5 noms
Memoirs of a Geisha-5 noms
King Kong-4 noms
Pride and Prejudice-4 noms
Constant Gardener-4 noms

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Ok, forget the "being himself" part. Let me phrase it another way: if an actor with very limited range always seems to play the same character (which most of the time doesn't really suit the film that he's in) suddenly is cast in a role that fits perfectly with his one character, then does that suddenly make him a great actor, or is it just a stroke of brilliant casting?

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

RoboStreep is proficient and unbearable in Sophie's Choice, Silkwood and Out of Africa. A Cry in the Dark is definitely one of her least heralded great performances, and she was marvelous in the awful The Bridges of Madison County.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Why must we always celebrate range? When Bogart, Barbara Stanwyck and Gary Cooper found the right marriage of persona and talent, who on earth would want to see them in anything else?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

great acting is often great casting

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Maybe the best example of Streep getting nominated just because she's Streep was Music of the Heart.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Ah, Silkwood was not a RoboStreep perf!

Alfred generally otm re range ... two Golden Agers like Bogart and Cary Grant had a recognizable star persona, yet got the most 'acclaim' when they stepped outside it (quite erroneously, I think).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

(xxpost) It's also great directing.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Terrence Howard - HUSTLE & FLOW

yay!

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Alfred generally otm re range ... two Golden Agers like Bogart and Cary Grant had a recognizable star persona, yet got the most 'acclaim' when they stepped outside it (quite erroneously, I think).

But is having a persona the same thing as being a good actor? Clint Eastwood has a persona - he may be a great icon, but is he technically a great actor? Perhaps the Academy and the SAG and others are not wrong when they tend to reward actors who play against type or take on roles that require them to play someone different from themselves. I mean perhaps we should distinguish between what an actor does and who they are. Do we reward them for having the right look for a role, or for their performance, you know, what they actually do? Because the first one, to me, seems like more the casting director's job.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

and I'll stand before a Congressional sub-committee to affirm that Cary Grant is the greatest movie actor of all time.

but anyway, back to the Oscars...

anyone seen North Country? Looks like another one of those washerwoman epics like Country and Norma Rae that the Academy loves because it's about The Little People.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

o.nate, you raise some good questions. It's my belief that any time a PERSON – be it a stage actor or your Aunt Ruth – stands before a movie camera a peculiar alchemy occurs. Conscious of being watched, mentally undressed, analyzed, they start to perform. This is acting. That's all it is. Everything else is theory.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)


re North Country
I haven't, don't want to, and Norma Rae is a good film.

Alfred, have you ever seen None but the Lonely Heart, where Grant plays a Cockney? It's apparently the closest he came to winning an Oscar cuz it was 'serious.'

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I mean who votes for SAG awards? It's other actors right? So maybe they tend to reward these types of out-of-character roles because they know they actually take more work. Non-actors like myself may scoff at Philip Seymour Hoffman's Capote win - since, after all, isn't it just like the Guild to reward someone for talking in a funny voice? - but maybe there is something that I could learn from having acting experience myself.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

But is having a persona the same thing as being a good actor? Clint Eastwood has a persona - he may be a great icon, but is he technically a great actor?

Everything Jack Nicholson has done in the last fifteen years to thread.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

The only parts in NBTLH I liked were the scenes between Grant and Ethel Barrymore. His only other Oscar nod came for Penny Serenade, in which he cried on camera, which, I suppose, deserves SOME recognition, I guess.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Then there are the very rare actors like Liv Ullmann, Vanessa Redgrave, Gene Hackman, and Ian Holm who seem to be "the same" in every movie but what's really happened is that they've fused the character and their talent so flawlessly that you don't see the seams.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

I just realized that Bello was snubbed.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

worrying about whether somebody is ACTUALLY a great actor or not because they've been so well-cast is a total waste of time

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

The Academy loves McDormand. I think we attack Judi Dench for always getting nominated because she's British and didn't snog Kate Beckinsale in Laurel Canyon.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I think part of the traditional disconnect between critics and SAG or the Academy about what constitutes an award-worthy performance has to do with the different ways that they think about a performance. An actor is more likely to view acting as a craft and to think about how difficult and demanding a role is. This is like the way figure skaters are judged. Skaters get more points for attempting a triple axel than a double - even though they may be able to land the double flawlessly and they might wobble on the triple. But if the figure-skating judges judged skaters the way film critics judge actors, they'd deduct more points for the wobble and award less credit for the level of difficulty of the jump. This is because film critics tend to give an enormous amount of weight to overall artistic impression and very little to level of difficulty.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

An actor is more likely to view acting as a craft and to think about how difficult and demanding a role is.

AMERICAN actors, that is. If you listen to the BBM boys discuss the ways in which they 'created' their characters, you'd think they'd gone to dentist school or were mowing a lawn. One of the more revelatory experiences re film acting I've had in recent years occurred when I read one of Alec Guinness' superb memoirs. He dismissed American snifflng about the Method as rubbish and chuckled at the thought of actors "taking their characters home.'

Maybe it's our Puritan roots. Acting is seen as frivolous, so we have to reassure Katie Couric that it's really hard work.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I suspect that if Alec Guinness claimed that acting isn't hard work he was being somewhat disingenuous. I can understand why he might wish to portray himself as a force of nature who could just march out on stage and ACT without any preparation.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

not everything jaymc, he's turned in the occasional turn of actual acting: the promise, about schmidt, um, that rerelease of the passenger (not that i mind 'jack', though it's not nearly as fun as pacino doing 'al'). i'm picking clooney for director cuz the actor voting bloc goes nuts when actors do something besides acting plus it's a pertinent film to the times, etc. the only time i can think of an actor writing or directing a best pic nominee and not winning for either writing or directing is stallone (so the bar's not set too high for clooney here). he did gain weight for syriana though.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

ORSON WELLES, blount!!!!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

And Robert Redford and Clint Eastwood both lost for Quiz Show and Mystic River, respectively.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Factoid: The last time all 5 best directors had their film nominated for best picture was in 1982.

Everything Jack Nicholson has done in the last fifteen years to thread.

You're forgetting about the Sean Penn films (liked The Pledge -- study those titles, blunty -- not The Crossing Guard) and his 2 neat-o comic vamps in Mars Attacks!

Ang Lee gets it cuz of accumulated brownie points from Flying Wires, ie the Academy's My Very First Modern Martial Arts Movie.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I didn't realize jack had re-acted for the re-release of The Passenger.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

One of the more revelatory experiences re film acting I've had in recent years occurred when I read one of Alec Guinness' superb memoirs. He dismissed American snifflng about the Method as rubbish and chuckled at the thought of actors "taking their characters home.'

There's also the famous story about Laurence Olivier and the Method-mad Dustin Hoffman on set of The Marathon Man: "You should try acting, my boy. It's so much easier."

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

predix scorecard:

Eric H & Ed G of Slant: 26/30
Alfred: 25/30
me: 25/30

I forgot to post the screenplays, for which I got all ten -- as did just about every forecast I saw.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Nicholson in About Schmidt wasn't playing "Jack" as he usually does, no, but almost worse: he was playing Jack-not-being-Jack -- that is, I could see the smug self-congratulation on-screen at having taken a role that's supposedly beneath him.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

haha the pledge! it's been awhile. and come on al, redford eastwood and ORSON WELLES (who won for screenplay btw) count as more than dilletantes (when redford appeared to be 'what i really want to do is direct'ing he won, actors love to do that 'if we're so stupid how come we can WRITE and DIRECT oscar winning movies huh?'). i'd hardly be surprised if lee wins esp if brokeback keeps rolling at the boxoffice like it has (it's already the biggest boxoffice hit of the best pic nods right?), i'm guessing it's got alot of postcards in it, oscar eats that shit up but i'm betting clooney right now. he's a better director than ang lee in any case.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

haha i was counting the seconds until someone quoted ratzo/sir larry. hoffman shoulda retorted 'you should try dialing it down five notches, it's so much easier' (LOVED him in the betsy though!).

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I liked Toned-Down Jack in The Pledge and The Border.

Clint Eastwood is a "dilettante"?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

there's no real point to being tendentious about acting imho, really whatever works for the person is fine with me

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

yes cuz that's what 'more than dilettante's mean, it means 'is a dilettante'. he's a better director than anyone nominated this year that's for damn sure.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, sorry: I misread your post.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

"It's the GARRRRR!" (ie car) - Olivier's idea of a Michigan accent in The Betsy

blount, why snub Ang Lee when they can give Clooney supp actor, as that's how it's gone down at the other pageants? Plus GC will be directing lots more, maybe yet another TV bio (Oprah as herself?).

P Kael said Eastwood wasn't a bad actor, he'd have to start acting first. She was kind of annoying.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

As for accusations of dilettantism, I sure wouldn't mind if Ang Lee turned out to be this decade's William Wyler, as long as he stays away from Ben-Hurs and cranks out The Letter and The Heiress every few years.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I just realized: Jake Gyllenhaal has powerful friends and family. Jamie Lee Curtis is his godma. Paul Newman taught him how to drive. His mom is Naomi Foner. That SOB might be Clooney's biggest competition.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

So, was Maria Bello in AHOV downgraded by the critics as the year went on, or was her performance overtaken by better performances later in the year? Because she seemed to be a lock for Supporting Actress for a few weeks there.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

The Academy prefers Frances McDormand to an actress liking it raw from Viggo Mortensen on a staircase.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking ang lee = cukor but i'm probably overgeneralizing chick flicks

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

For me, post-Eat Drink Ang Lee hasn't come close to matching top Wyler (tho I haven't seen Ride with the Devil).

Clooney too well-liked to lose, Jake too raw and cute to win.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

PAUL NEWMAN TAUGHT HIM TO DRIVE??? THAT'S COOL FOR LIKE TWO REASONS (woulda been better to be taught by sir larry - 'IT'S THE GARRRR!')(donnie darko in danny kaye's sloppy seconds shockah).

this is the second time maria bello got hot oscar talk for a hot sex scene and it didn't pan out.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

ride with the devil has jeffrey wright in it and skeet ulrich as a proto-heath. and a kilcher!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Paul Newman "teaching much-younger stud to drive" ... paging T Cruise

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

i like a knights tale.

Gukbe (lokar), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I've only seen one Best Actress nominee (Witherspoon), and didn't think her performance was anything special. I'll pull for Keira Knightley and pretend the nomination is for Domino.

Good Night and Good Luck ought to win cinematography, I can't think of a B&W film that has looked that good in fifty years. Oh the joys of color stock and digital post.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

in fif-- you fucking homo

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

No Grizzly Man = No cred

Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:54 (twenty years ago)

The only Grizzly Man up for an award is Heath Ledger.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

The only Grizzly Man nominated was Heath Ledger.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

clooney

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Giamatti is pretty grizzly.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Judi Dench is pretty grizzly.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

god, i just got the worst image in my head

gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

was it judi dench gnawing on yr boner?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

oh god damn you

gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

was it sticking your hands into a fresh pile of dench dung?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

dench in a pinch beats ledger with a wedger

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

sub-elvis costello at best there

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, sorry... keener with a weiner? no.

David Carr in NYT:

"“Kong” has grossed over $213 million, while the five nominees together don’t top $185 million, even lower than last year’s $204 million as a group at nomination time."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

subtract 'munich' and kong's longer than the others combined too

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

"Can anyone explain why Heath Ledger's performance is seen, by everyone, to be so much better than Jake Gyllenhaal's?"

What I don't understand is why they aren't both nominated for best leading role. If this was a heterosexual couple you'd have both the male and the female in the leading nominations, like Joaquin and Reese. I think Jake is just as good and important in the film as Heath.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

So do I, sebastien, but that's irrelevant. BBM's promoters decided early to promote Gyllie in the supporting actor category so that a double nod in the actor category wouldn't split the vote. It's rare that a double nod in this category produces one winner (the most recent examples occured in 1983 and 1984, when Shirley MacLaine beat Debra Winger, and when F. Murray Abraham beat Tom Hulce.

Sexual politics have got nothing to do with it. It's Oscar politics.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:47 (twenty years ago)

That sounds right, but I think it's misrepresenting the movie.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

What I don't understand is why they aren't both nominated for best leading role.

cuz Jake's the bottom (someone musta beat me to that).... it was clear early on that if anyone was gonna win the lead trophy it was HL.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

anyone = HL or JG

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

My predictions (and I think money should start being wagered):

Actor: Hoffman
Sup actor: Clooney
Actress: Witherspoon
Sup actress: Keener
Director: Ang Lee
Original screenplay: Goodnight & etc.
Adapted Screenplay: Brokeback
Picture: Brokeback

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Not sure yet, only disagreements i see right now are Weisz and maybe Crash screenplay.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Weisz has the momentum, but I wouldn't discount Keener or Williams. I'd prefer it if Keener wins it, since she's got a thriving career that wouldn't be ruined by the Supporting Actress Oscar Curse.

If the Academy won't give Clooney the supporting actor trophy, he'll win original screenplay; in that case Gyllie The Bottom or Giamatti will win.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

The supporting actress is always such a toss up. I'm just hoping for Keener. And hey, America loved in The 40-Year Old Virgin!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Professional awards-show dingbat claims upsets (esp Huffman & Crash) are quite possible, tho of course it's in his interest to claim so:

http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2006/01/expect_big_upse.html


Best line: "Jake Gyllenhaal 's role may be too passive."

Let's see how medieval Altman gets on Dubya's ass in his speech.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Corliss over at TIME thinks, offering rather feeble reasons, that there's gonna be upsets all around.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1154754,00.html

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
From NY Times' David Carr:

We all know that in addition to parceling out the highest honors in American filmmaking, the Oscars tend to generate big chunks of cash. The so-called “Oscar bump” can be good for $5 million or $10 million, or even more, a windfall of cash at the box office that rewards those who made good films and ran good campaigns behind them. But the Bagger has been spending some quality time on Box Office Mojo and, more worrisome, with his own calculator. And what he’s found is that this year, there will be no Oscar bump - far from it. The tale of the box office tape suggests that the Oscar sparkle will do little for the long-term business outlook of this year’s best picture nominees. True enough, the four still in theatrical release – “Brokeback Mountain,” “Munich,” “Good Night, and Good Luck,” and “Capote” — got a bit of a push the week after nominations were announced. They went from a collective weekend gross of $8.9 million before the announcements to $11.5 million the weekend after. But then they went right off the cliff. Last weekend, the carnage was everywhere. The four films (”Crash” came out earlier in the year and is only on DVD) were down a collective 43.4 percent from the previous weekend and took in just about $6.9 million. In other words, they were worse off than before the Oscars. “Brokeback” is still in almost 2,000 theaters and took in a robust $4 million, but “Munich” lost 600 screens, better than half its theaters, and took in a miserable $783,510. Given the level of heat and promotion behind the movie, it is clear that not many besides Academy members are taking Steven Spielberg up on his suggestion that people ignore the partisans and see the movie for themselves. “Capote,” which recently crept over the $20 million mark, took in $1.27 million while “Good Night, and Good Luck,” did $872,000. Pretty small beer for what are supposed to be the most lauded films of 2005.

So what have we learned? That the small movies that the Academy has settled on as the best of the best are going to stay tiny. The five nominees at this time last year did about $27.2 million in business two weeks after they were picked – nearly four times as much as the nominees this year. It raises the issue of how much money the backers of these films will put behind them – the assumptio is that Oscar marketing helps at the box office while it beats the drums for statues, and that any eventual wins at the Oscars will then further accrue at the box office. But maybe not this year.

“Everybody knocks the studios and the kind of movies that they have put out – and they didn’t have a good year, it’s true – but if you watch what has happened since, its not like these kind of movies are going to be good for the business, either,” said one executive involved in the Oscar race this year. “The box office for the nominees so far has been a joke.”

(Btw, seeing as the movies this year refuse to come up large, the Bagger thinks that not just the Academy, but more specifically ABC and its advertisers, must be a little hinky about what is going to happen to ratings this year. Come to think of it, Academy honcho Sid Ganis and Co. might know exactly what they are doing by booking Jon Stewart as host. If this indeed is going to be a transitional year for the Oscars, why not use Stewart and a legion of new one-names like Heath, Jake, Reese and Terrence to pull in a younger demo and perhaps create some new sizzle?)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Weren't last year's ratings the worst ever?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps.

Reading Slant's one-a-day predictions (and bravo, Eric & Co, all the Haggis-bashing is hilarious), I realize it's inevitable that Crash is winning three. More opportunities to make enemies at the party!

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/features/2006oscarrace.asp


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

The Crash-hate was refreshing and fun. Too often their prose mistakes snark for irony, though; these guys'll do anything for a punch-line, and so their insights double back on themselves without reaching a conclusion:

The comparisons don't end in the sack: Brokeback Mountain and Munich both share a narrative structure, beginning with a surprisingly satisfying initial transgression followed by an increasingly fragmented progression of frustrated interludes and thwarted catharses. Munich winds up on a veritable orgasm and afterglows in cognitive dissonance. Brokeback Mountain's coda opts for the much easier-to-swallow taste of bittersweet regret, the political implications no more difficult to parse than a hypothetical Choose Your Own Adventure book written by Paul Haggis.

The Crash diss at the end, right on and keep it comin'. The similarities b/w the storylines of BBM and Munich is shrewd if banal. But BBM couldn't develop as anything but "an increasingly fragmented progression of frustrated interludes," while it's Munich that wallows in bittersweet regret (Eric Bana unable to return to the doe-eyed security guy on Golda Meir's detail and the unmitigated bliss of sticking his wife in the ass).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I think Carr's conclusions are completely wrong. The nominees have all been in theaters for months - everyone who has any interest in the films already saw them. If they had all come out a month later, an Oscar bump would have given them more legs, but they seemed to come out relatively early.

I would also assume, given the box office trends of late, that the biggest Oscar bump would come in DVD sales and rentals. Tired, middle-aged Middle Americans probably aren't going to trek to wherever to watch Munich, but if it wins an Oscar, they'll certainly think about ponying up $20 at Best Buy.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Months? Munich opened December 23, a month before the noms, and not mega-wide til the week before I think. It looks to have topped out at $50 M domestic, but who else could've pushed to make it even that successful? Too dark and violent, and no pretty mountains (even the rose-stemming, after a fashion, is nightmarish).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Considering that they're supposed to be, you know, films from LAST YEAR, the Oscar bump on the box office is a odd way of measuring anything.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Too dark and violent, and no pretty mountains (even the rose-stemming, after a fashion, is nightmarish).

But it does have a pretty-boy protagonist whose rather abrupt development of a conscience is banal; or, rather, is banalized by Roth-Kushner-Spielberg's inability to accept the nihilism of their assasins (these are, after all, NICE assassins who don't kill little girls).

Crash notwithstanding, this is actually a respectable group of Best Pic nominees. Whatever their flaws, Capote, Brokeback Mountain and Munich are hardly in the league of Finding Neverland or Million Dollar Baby. Even the director of Good Night, Good Luck has the good sense to palliate his script's liberal pieties by keeping the running time to a trim 80 minutes.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

*had the good sense

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Munich ... hardly in the league of Finding Neverland or Million Dollar Baby.

Ohhhh... maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! (tho I feel confident I will never see Finding Neverland.)

That shameless tearjerking and hillbilly-bashing in the last third of M$ Baby makes more sense now given Haggis' involvement.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

OK, ignore that outburst. I reversed the meaning of your comparison.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

As long as we accept that the Academy ain't gonna nominate Tropical Malady, Mysterious Skin or 2046, we can have a good time criticizing their middlebrow choices for Best Picture; and, like I said, Capote, Brokeback Mountain, and Munich are occasionally more than middlebrow.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

C'mon, Morb, gimme some credit!

(xpost)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

In fact, I prefer the pre-paralysis 2/3 of Million Dollar Baby to Brokeback or Good Night and Nod Along, Liberals. (Eastwood's easily the best director of the three when he avoids the mush.)

Munich is beyond brow for me. They managed to nominate both the best and worst American film of last year.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

The first 2/3s of Million Dollar Baby would have been more entertaining had I as much patience for Hillary Swank's kind of big-toothed glee as I do for Jake Gyllenhaal's.

I don't know about Ang Lee vs Eastwood. I haven't seen Eat Drink Man Woman, but on the evidence of The Wedding Banquet* (which I saw for the first time last week and was quite impressed; Lee's really good directing old people! almost Ozu-esque!) he's got as many good/great films as Eastwood, who in a career littered with average-and-worse pictures has made two good-to-great ones: Unforgiven and Sophocles by the Mystic River.

*In its low-key way The Wedding Banquet is a more transgressive film than Brokeback Mountain: the parents are cool with the menage-a-trois raising the baby!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, I only saw The Wedding Banquet when it came out but it seemed mighty sitcom (if more dignified than Will & Grace).

My favorite film by him is easily Eat Drink Man Woman.
By Eastwood, White Hunter Black Heart.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I expected a sit-com too -- I avoided it on its first run -- and was most surprised. I urge you to rent it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

ive got a hankering to diss some $20K gowns. when and where can i see this event?

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Given that BaBa WaWa is on Wednesday, I guess ABC is doing an hour preshow?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Tom O'Neil sez UPSETS COMING:

Don't believe those clueless "experts" who harrumph and dismiss this Academy Awards race as the most obvious and predictable ever. If the current kudos calendar had been in place four years ago, those same chowderheads who now say — with convincing haughtiness — that Reese Witherspoon can't lose best actress for "Walk the Line" probably would've insisted that Sissy Spacek couldn't lose for "In the Bedroom" for the same reason: both actresses swept the early kudos in January, after all, didn't they? Therefore, the experts proclaim — sounding utterly reasonable — that the Oscar is, inevitably, next.

Thirty-two years ago they would've claimed that divine intervention couldn't possibly stop "The Exorcist" from winning best picture. After all, it had won the Golden Globe and proved to be the financial film of the year by reaping the most box-office gold. Three of its Oscar rivals hadn't even been nominated for best drama picture at the Globes. The fifth nominee, "A Touch of Class," had won the Globe for best comedy/musical picture, sure, but it was considered featherweight froth without a chance of exorcising Hollywood's blockbuster devil from the category.

Oscar "experts" tend to be only as good as their crystal balls and this year they don't have the same ones that saved them from making fools of themselves earlier. Four years ago a Screen Actors Guild Award revealed a late-breaking surge in the lead actress race by Halle Berry ("Monster's Ball"), who'd previously lost the Globe and all critics' awards. Thirty-two years ago "The Sting" won its first big Hollywood prize very late in the race, too, when it was hailed by the Directors Guild of America in the Oscars' home stretch.

If those guild awards hadn't tattled on Berry and "The Sting," the vast majority of self-proclaimed experts never would've seen those wins coming.

This year the Oscars are unique because we don't have those guild awards positioned at the tail end of the race to give us a gauge of late-breaking industry views. The actors' and directors' guild kudos were bestowed back in January, pushed forward on the calendar so they could stay out in front of the Oscars, which moved up their ceremony date from late March/early April two years ago. The previous two Oscars were held in late February, but now they're occurring in early March so they don't have to compete against the winter Olympics. In between the January awards and the March Oscars this year is a long period of eerie quiet when many key races could've shifted without us knowing.

What the producers', actors' and directors' guilds revealed in January was what we already knew: that "Brokeback," Lee, Hoffman and Witherspoon were ahead. OK, fine, but what about now, eh?

Personally, I decided to be conservative and bet on only one major upset. Here's how I decided which one.

I believe Ang Lee, Philip Seymour Hoffman and George Clooney will win because they all have something in common with many past champs: it's their year and they're nominated for career-defining work.

Upsets are possible for best picture, actress and supporting actress. I don't have the guts to call "Crash" over "Brokeback," so scratch that. That leaves actress and supporting actress.

Remember the blog item I posted a few weeks ago about those scientists up at the University of Oregon who use a new stats system to predict the Oscars? When applied retroactively, it claims an accuracy rate of 81% in the top four races (picture, director, actor, actress) since 1975. This year the system forecasts wins for "Brokeback," Lee, Hoffman and Witherspoon. Fine, but its past performance suggests that one of those four will be wrong. It gives the least favorable odds to Witherspoon.

OK, so there I have permission to vote against Witherspoon, if I so wish. And I do because I believe The Last Movie Seen Theory, which gives the edge to Felicity Huffman considering that sneaky, Oscar-grabbing studio chief Harvey Weinstein sent "Transamerica" screeners last to most Oscar voters.

Also, I'm employing a little common sense here. Just look at the two performances. Reese is sweet, perky and just AOK in a supporting role that's old news. Felicity dominates her own film, giving a sledgehammer performance that leaves academy members smarting during these recent weeks since they finally caught up with that amazing film. Granted, it's rare that women over age 40 win, but they pull it off when they're considered to be cool like Susan Sarandon ("Dead Man Walking") — and perhaps TV's red-hot Desperate Housewife who recently pulled off a jaw-dropping upset at the Emmys.

No one could've foreseen "Midnight Cowboy's" dark-horse dash toward the Oscar finish line if it hadn't won the Directors Guild of America Award in the last few weeks of the 1969 derby. Previously, it had not been hailed as best picture by Golden Globe voters or film critics.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't be shocked at Huffman over Reese, but Michelle Williams is the more likely upset among the acting categories, I think.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

One problem with that: I still don't think enough people have seen Transamerica (which is just as well, because it sucks). Indie films have to fight harder when their nominee isn't already the front-runner (as Charlize Theron was with Monster two years ago).

Also, I really don't understand basing your predictions on some intuition that there will be one or more upsets. It's true, there usually are, but it seems a fool's errand to try to predict where it's going to happen: that's why they're called upsets. It seems a lot safer to me to just predict the front-runners and maybe miss out on a category or two than to kick yourself for being daring when the predictable choice wins.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

(I also agree with Morbius that Williams could win ... over Weisz, right?)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

It's rare for a Best Picture frontrunner (and likely winner) not to produce any acting awards; here's where Williams (she's the hot young thing to whom Oscar loves throwing trophies) or Gyllenhaal might win (he's got momentum post-BAFTA).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Also, I sense that Paul Giamatti hasn't generated any enthusiasm despite the couple of awards he got pre-Oscar. The movie for which he was nominated sucked, and the Academy doesn't think it owes him that much for snubbing him two years in a row.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Actually, the Supporting Actor race will be the most interesting. Right now the only one we can argue stands no chance is William Hurt.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

surely witherspoon is favored more cuz she's a gorgeous movie star in her prime (like most recent best actress winners) than cuz she won a golden globe (WOW A GOLDEN GLOBE WHATANHONOR) right? who's the last movie star to be nominated for best actress and to lose to a non-movie star? (a: michelle pfeiffer like 15 years ago). i don't see reese witherspoon losing to a tv actress. i don't see any of the other nominees beating rachel weisz as a big upset really.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

FYI: Here's a list of films from the last 35 years that have won Best Picture but didn't garner any acting wins:

The Sting (1973)
Rocky (1976)
Chariots of Fire (1981)
Out of Africa (1985)
Platoon (1986)
The Last Emperor (1987)
Dances with Wolves (1990)
Schindler's List (1993)
Braveheart (1995)
Titanic (1997)
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (2003)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

who's the last movie star to be nominated for best actress and to lose to a non-movie star?

Does Diane Keaton count as a movie star and Frances McDormand as a non-movie star in 1996?

If not, then probably Kathy Bates over Meryl Streep in 1990. (Bates hadn't really done anything prior to Misery.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh I know it happens, jay, but consider: The Last Emperor, Braveheart, and The Return of the King got NO acting nominations at all.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I just can't believe Witherspoon will lose. Forget the precursor awards. Everyone loves her and she's made Hollywood a lot of money by being great in a lot of shitty romantic comedies. This is her Erin Brockovich moment ('cept she's a better actress than Julia).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

No, I agree with you that it helps Williams's chances. When you said that, though, I just got curious.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

I think I can lead a very happy life without ever seeing Transamerica.

Clooney seems as close to a lock as Witherspoon; he didn't have his schmoozy Hollywood cachet working for him at the BAFTAs. He's cool, beloved for his Articulate Liberal Star thing, and got fat for the part. Game over. (And I haven't seen Syriana either.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

diane keaton counts as a movie star...in 1978 (also jaymc call me crazy but 'meryl streep' /= 'box office gold/us weekly covers' to me (has she ever been a movie star really? isn't that what that whole she-devil/postcards phase was about?), kathy bates over julia roberts that year would be one; i'm pretty sure michelle pfeiffer lost to someone of significantly less wattage a little after that though). surely any 'best pic is almost def to have an acting win' formula is in brokeback's favor right? any part of that trio's gotta be considered considerably more likely to win than matt dillon right? (my guess would be michelle williams in that case).

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Clooney seems as close to a lock as Witherspoon; he didn't have his schmoozy Hollywood cachet working for him at the BAFTA

All that makes me doubt this is his screenplay nod. Maybe Crash will lose this award and Dillon or Gyllenhaal will get the supporting actor award.

i'm pretty sure michelle pfeiffer lost to someone of significantly less wattage a little after that though

Jessica Tandy for Driving Ms Daisy.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Does Julia Roberts count as a movie star in 1990? Pretty Woman is what MADE her a movie star. I'm not sure Steel Magnolias and Mystic Pizza did it on their own.

Pfeiffer lost in 1989 to Jessica Tandy.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

um she was nominated FOR pretty woman. being the titular star of one of the biggest grossing movies of the year and getting crazy magazine covers and et talk = you a movie star.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

okay

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Crash is winning screenplay, and as Matt Zoller Seitz says, we can all start mega-hating the Oscars from now on as a result.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

I'll side with Blount. Roberts was definitely second-place beside Bates and Angelica Huston (who, as I recall, won the lion share of the critics' awards for The Grifters), and she was already a star. Pretty Woman was a spring '90 release, so she had almost a year's worth of magazine covers leading up to the awards.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

haha so now we can start MEGA-hating the oscars???

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

typo: commence Gigahating.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

someone should set up an ilx oscar pool

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I'll let Morbius do it, unless he's too busy screening Dan Duryea pictures.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Not interested!

The Oscars have earned extra hatred since they started regularly honoring not watchable middlebrow bores, but insults to anyone's intelligence on the scale of Life is Beautiful and Shakespeare in Love. And all those Russell Crowe films I haven't seen.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

B-b-b-but Calvacade!Ben-Hur! The Greatest Show on Earth! Dances with Wolves! Forest Gump! Braveheart!

There's been many, many insults to the intelligence over the years.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

gladiator, titanic...

latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Re Julia Roberts in 1990, yes she was plenty popular and plastered all over. But I was using the analogy of Reese Witherspoon, where she's established herself as a movie star over the past six or eight years -- at this point, she's Hollywood royalty, and I'm not sure you could've said the same about Roberts at that point. Maybe you could, I don't remember, I was eleven at the time. I'll grant that some actresses do get put on the fast-track to royalty status -- although it helps to have famous relatives, like Oscar winners Gwyneth Paltrow or (to a lesser degree) Mira Sorvino.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

No, you're right, jay: Julia Roberts is a perfect analogy, i.e. the slow rise. I mean, most critics (including myself, I must admit) want Witherspoon to win. She's a likable star who can act: a rare commodity these days.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Wait, are you talking about Pretty Woman Roberts or Erin Brockovich Roberts?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

meanest Oscar contender dis of late: "Joaquin is lucky River had that last speedball, or he'd be on a reality show with Joey Travolta." (source forgotten)

The Best Pic embarrassments have been much steadier of late, and c'mon, Ben-Hur is a fun movie if only for the chariot race, Stephen Boyd's Vidal-inspired sexual predatorism, and inspiring the SCTV version.

(not seen Calvacade, Greatest Show, Forrest Gump, Braveheart)

I haven't seen Reese a whole lot, but so far I've judged her a likable star who can act the SAME way each time (incl The Man in the Moon).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Erin Brockovich-Julia. Actually, Erin Brockovich is a much better picture than Walk the Line, and Roberts gives the better performance.

I haven't seen Reese a whole lot, but so far I've judged her a likable star who can act the SAME way each time (incl The Man in the Moon).

That's why she's a star!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I heart Reese.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Her best performance remains Election, with Freeway nipping at its heels.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, she's a star more than an actor, just like Archie Leach! ;)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Partial list of presenters... am I sposed to remember who Jessica Alba is?


Jennifer Lopez
George Clooney
Reese Witherspoon
Lily Tomlin
Naomi Watts
Charlize Theron
Uma Thurman
Chris "Ludacris" Bridges
Nicole Kidman
Steve Carell
Will Smith
Terrence Howard
Meryl Streep
Clint Eastwood
Queen Latifah
Will Ferrell
Luke Wilson
Sandra Bullock
Tom Hanks
Jennifer Aniston
Luke Wilson
Owen Wilson
Jessica Alba
Morgan Freeman
Hilary Swank
Jamie Foxx

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

am I sposed to remember who Jessica Alba is?
Think Rachael Leigh Cook with more T&A.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

yeah she's a huge movie star. she's under fifty though so that might be why so unfamiliar.

this story comes out before the ballots are in and it closes the sale for her - http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20060301-9999-1n1michelle.html

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

The ballots are in awready.

Oh, "Rachael Leigh Cook" ... that clears up everything.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

she's not quite the actress rachael leigh cook is truth be told

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Luke AND Owen Wilson??! I'm so there.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)

I can't remember the last time I saw Cook in a legitimate movie. Microsoft must have blackballed her and Ryan Phillippe for starring a movie where Bill Gates is evil.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

rachael leigh cook was in that incredibly fun throwback 'into the west' spielberg miniseries with skeet ulrich, sean astin, tom berenger, keith carradine, many desperate native american actors and a cameo from judge reinhold. you need to netflix that shit.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Princess Leia drops names faster than Jams Murphy here. (I know that's why she got the gig, but still... the NYT is perhaps the only paper east of LA that'd run this in the Home section?)

If You've Got It, Do You Flaunt It?
By CARRIE FISHER

WINNING an Academy Award is obviously a high point for most people, but what happens next? What happens after this particular happily ever after? Once you're home from the afterparties and it's just you and your little golden man, staring each other down in the front hall on Monday morning, where's he going to go? The two of you will be living together for a long time, and — regardless of the fact that he's never going to smile, no matter where you put him — you need to come to some sort of arrangement.

Are you going to be one of those people who put their statuettes in some really obvious place, like on the living room mantle? Or perhaps you'll sheepishly tuck it away in some dusty corner of a library bookshelf. Or you could make light of it by displaying it in the "loo," say, as Emma Thompson says she does — though sadly even this can smack of a certain smug self-effacement.

What's the new award winner to do?

Not having faced this high-class problem myself, I called around to a few people who have, trying to glean the secret codes of Oscar placement in hope of offering some helpful hints to this year's winners. As it turns out, there are simply no hard and fast rules.

What you do with your Oscar, and where it goes in your house, seem to depend largely on where you are in your life. For someone who cares for little else besides career, for example, it's the ideal accessory, often treated with a respect verging on worship. When Frank Sinatra won for Best Supporting Actor in "From Here to Eternity" in 1954, he was, well, extremely focused on his work and his standing in Hollywood. The story I heard was that when he first received it, he was very protective of it. But years later, a friend of mine heard that he had become much more cavalier, to the point of occasionally using it as a doorstop.

For women, winning an Oscar can sometimes be more complicated. My friends and I used to make bets about how long a celebrity marriage would last after the woman had won an Oscar and the man hadn't. Regardless of how big the man's box office was, once the woman received the statuette, it seemed that the days of the marriage were numbered. For some men, at least, a woman flaunting an Oscar can feel like deliberate emasculation, and spell doom for the relationship.

Even men with no connection to the movie industry can make their wives think twice about showing off their statuettes. When Jane Fonda won her first Best Actress Oscar, for "Klute" in 1972, she was single, and happily displayed the statuette on a bookcase. But when she married Tom Hayden a year later, she told me, "I put it away; it felt too prideful." What decent radical, after all, would showcase a golden statuette at home while protesting the war on the street? It didn't fit the Jane Fonda of that era.

But I think this reticence says as much about the husband as it does the wife, or the times: In 1991, she married Ted Turner, who had a huge display case to house all of his awards. Jane promptly had one of her own made, and her Oscars remain there to this day.

Jennifer Jones, who won the award for Best Actress for "The Song of Bernadette" in 1944, may be the ultimate example of a woman for whom the Oscar was truly no big deal, in her life or her house. Her marriage to the actor Robert Walker was falling apart at the time — she filed for divorce the day after the awards ceremony — and she was deeply in love with David O. Selznick, the producer of "Bernadette," whom she would later marry.

In the midst of all this, "the Oscar was never really a focal point," said her son Robert Walker Jr., who was putting it mildly.

The night she won, she left the statuette on the back seat of the taxi that drove her home. It was returned to her, and spent several decades on a towel shelf in a bathroom (a fact she told no one, not even the nosiest of reporters). Then, a few years ago, she gave it to her hairdresser, Elle Elliott. (Jennifer is a very generous person; I imagine there are many people in her life that she would like to give Oscars to.) Ms. Elliott returned it days later, realizing that Jennifer's children would object to the transfer, and it now resides in a sitting room in the Malibu house that Jennifer shares with Robert, his wife Dawn and their children.

Jennifer, who turns 87 today, is selectively hazy about certain details of her past, but she has little difficulty remembering significant relationships or moments in her career, including "The Song of Bernadette." Her Oscar, though, is another matter: "Oh, there it is," she said on the phone, as someone in her house held up the statuette. "I must've won one then. I don't remember it, though."

While in Santa Fe last weekend, I called Shirley MacLaine and we spent a whole day together talking, but barely touched on the reason I had called, the whereabouts of her Oscar. (I did manage to find out that it's somewhere at her ranch, maybe in the library.) But this woman has so many other interests it would be hard to say where or if that Oscar fits into her life at all.

Elizabeth Taylor, on the other hand, has never forgotten her Oscars, although there are quite a lot of them to forget. All three are prominently displayed in her dining room along with her late husband Mike Todd's Oscar for "Around the World in 80 Days," a photograph of her investiture by the Queen as a dame of the Order of the British Empire, equivalent to knighthood, and a certificate commemorating the event. And, as far as I know, she has never for a moment felt the need to hide them. The first, for "Butterfield 8" in 1961, had no apparent effect on her marriage to my father, Eddie Fisher, which was doomed anyway (it lasted another three years). And I truly doubt whether her Oscars were a factor in the success and failure and success and failure of her marriages to Richard Burton — even the one she won for her role opposite him in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" Richard was also nominated, but unfortunately did not win.

"Elizabeth was furious that Richard didn't win," said Mike Nichols, who directed the couple in "Woolf" and won the Oscar the next year for "The Graduate" (he keeps it in his office next to the fax machine). "It made her completely unable to enjoy winning herself."

Well, she may not have enjoyed the victory, but she seems to have grown comfortable with the Oscar over time. The awards shelf is clearly a center of power in her home. But knowing her as I do, it seems to me that the awards are like jewelry to her: treasures bestowed on her in return for the ardent pursuit of her passions. As her jewelry adorns her person and brings out her eyes, the Oscars adorn her home. They bring out her windows.

My pal Bruce Cohen, a producer, may have come up with my favorite answer to the problem of what to do with your Oscar. He keeps his, for Best Picture for "American Beauty," in his bedroom next to a fake Fabergé egg, a tiny glass vase with tiny fake roses and a miniature rhinestone-covered piano I bought for him from the Liberace Museum, topped with its own little candelabra.

It makes the Oscar look a little bit as though it too comes from the Liberace Museum, and a little bit Ken and Barbie. It puts me in mind of a great accessories idea, for those over-the-top gift bags they give out at the awards: For the Oscar winner who has everything, a little something for Oscar himself. A little Oscar mink for the Best Actress Oscar winner, a tiny Oscar necklace, on permanent loan from Neil Lane, and an Oscar limo, waiting for Oscar to finish his night of being photographed at all the best parties.

Bruce's little setup is certainly self-conscious, but it doesn't feel smugly self-effacing or obvious or like he's trying too hard. For those who don't want to forget their awards, but are afraid of seeming "prideful," his may be the best example to follow.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 March 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)


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