when is brunch?

after noon is an early lunch!

The late afternoon equivalent is Lupper. Especially if eaten upon your lap in front of telly and/or the fire.

brunch should involve a coronation chicken sandwich. or eggs benedict. or instant noodles, or chicken congee.

i had a Brunner the other day though, because i was hungover and too tired to wake up and cook until 3pm, and then i went out later and didn't have any dinner. so it was kind of a breakfast, lunch and dinner all in one in a way.

hehe, isn't that from look around you?

However, due to his "brunch" mentalism (i.e. we're invited to arrive at 1 pm) I had breakfast first, after rising at a sensible hour.

If it's after midday, it's just lunch.

10-30 to 11-30.

Steve is correct, to say that elevenses are superior.

maybe so, tim and starry, but calling it brunch allows for so much more leeway with the tipple

Oh if you're just using this as an excuse to feel un-bad about bouzing, then go ahead with my blessing.

Much simpler is to stop worrying about bouze for breakfast, and learn to love it (er, occasionally, I suppose).

Yes. In my circle, it's normally at 1 pm on Saturday or Sunday.

Brunch implies the types of food rather than a time to me. I wouldn't eat fresh, thin-crust pizza (thinking of a specific restaurant) at breakfast, but I can damn well have a slice with an omelette at brunch. And I'd never eat an omelette after 9am unless it's brunch.

this can be also defined, as the equivalant amount of energy it takes to travel in order to get a brunch cooked for you by someone else

You're all barking!

Mad!

MAD I TELL YOU!

I'm quitting ILx!

If boozing is involved this early then I hope you're talking about the joy of ALL DAY DRINKING. I did a grebt post about this on lj once but bvggered if I can find it again.

As Nora Ephron, a longtime Upper West Side resident, put it in e-mail the other day, "As far as I can tell, the essential quality of an Upper West Side brunch seems to consist of milling in a large group outside of a restaurant for over an hour."

In the case of Lexington, KY brunch fav Alfalfa's, a looooong wait. (They have in the past been good enough to serve free coffee out front to those waiting for a table.)

Why the hell have I all ways remember that quote?!?!? Matt Groening has much to answer for.

VINDICATION

xpost

WHY NOT

Me and my penis are terrifically unfond of your new login.

Yrs,
Nabisco

ILX does not work, proven by science.

ps new handle has nothing to do with bananas or vaginas, you're welcome friends

xpost - brunch means drinking before noon? that sounds much better....

I think your concept that "brunch" is a state of mind is sort of, acceptable - but I am intrigued by all these claims that 'brunch' is a laid back but most of all sociable experience with it's defining traits being in it's own lack of traditional structural connotations.

Anyway why is LUNCH so uncool these days? I guess it is because you can't eat it before twelve and you kids just want to break boundaries! The whole reason why the word is so "hey let's just relax" is because it occurs during work hours IE 10.30 to 11.30. I hope if I ever visit you chaps you will note that I will stick FIRMLY to this schedule.

I think when booze becomes involved... it isn't brunch.

xxxxxxxpost good grief it's like ILx in the old days at this rate!

PS - I don't think I've had anything I'd call 'brunch' erm really... ever! You wouldn't call 'going for a greasy' brunch! Brunch I think tries to class up hungover desperation to it's own detriment.

sheer lunacy.

This is a good question. Maybe because most of the time "lunch" = "working lunch", which usually comes with time restraints. In, eat, out. There is room for socializing etc, but it is still very formatted and truncated. Brunch is the lazy, milking unemployment, studio musician little brother of lunch.

Does work define us so much we need new words to describe 'freedom' hem hem (BIG QUESTION EH)?!

Also I must insist that the greasy breakfast hangover remedy can be taken at any time but most definitely isn't brunch!

Oh thank goodness my torrent has finished downloading and I don't have to keep reading this thread ALL NIGHT.

NB I am totally going to keep reading this all night until they replace food with pills and thus all meal structures can bug off HAHAHAHA ph34r my p0w3erz.

P.S. "Let's have lunch" suggests "let's pencil one another into over-scheduled working days during which we both have a million things to do and will more or less mean treating one another like a meeting" -- "let's have brunch" suggests "let's take a bit of a day off during which we have no time constraints and actually relax together." It's certainly a bigger invitation.

"let's have brunch" suggests "let's take a bit of a day off during which we have no time constraints and actually relax together."

Yes yes yes!

I would get confused, if someone asked me to have brunch! This is a minefield! If someone asked me to have lunch I would assume it was generally to relax - I am afraid I tend to like to be aware of time when organising things - if it is open ended that is fine but I want to know, you see.

Are we agreed though, that if you're having brunch, you haven't had breakfast?

I am doubting MYSELF now because of you LOONS.

Brunch = lunch + breakfast = lunch foods + breakfast foods. If you don't have some of each - preferably a 50/50 split, leaning toward one side or the other depending on the hour - it ain't brunch.

Re: church Milo I think that really depends on who you are and what kind of church you're getting out of. At least, the town I grew up in was packed with Sunday post-noon brunch services for post-church people, and I certainly remember the fancier folks from my church heading off to brunch service at the country club. (I have a half-memory of somehow winding up going to that once, actually -- or at least a half-memory of a roast beef slicing table with various roasts at various levels of done-ness, and people asking the slicer for it to be thinner ... thinner ... thinner ... too thin, a little thicker.)

Also hotel restaurants with buffet-style brunch things, big for post-church crowds.

i think that's true, i.e. if you have already had a meal it is not really brunch for you. some coffee and a crust of bread is acceptable though, i think. it's sort of like driving to the swimming pool on a really hot day and turning the fan off and rolling up all the windows just so you are really hurting!

I dont think I've really ever seen an actual "brunch" menu. What would it entail? Poached eggs on spaghetti? Bacon and chicken sandwiches with OJ (and vodka)? Porrige on spinach?

wotta country

Are there any specific foods that are never brunch-appropriate? I was thinking, maybe, lasagne?

I think I hate brunch... I know I hate breakfast foods.

fuck you

one time I made the mistake of ordering a "bloody mary", which I think was actually tequila + chunky salsa.

I'm not seeing the problem here.

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I have a worse attitude than you, Mr. Bacon, so fuck you twice over easy.

I think I hate brunch... I know I hate breakfast foods.

-- dell, Monday, April 14, 2008 1:06 PM (Monday, April 14, 2008 1:06 PM) Bookmark Link

fuck you

-- Jordan, Monday, April 14, 2008 1:07 PM (Monday, April 14, 2008 1:07 PM) Bookmark Link

jordan OTM.

fuck you

-- Jordan, Monday, April 14, 2008 6:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

x1000

BREAKFAST FOODS ARE THE KINDEST AND MOST LOVING FOODS

fuck you sunny side up, ck sausages

i miss regular brunching. dell, you are an abomination.

fuck you times a million, mr. que omelette-breath

brunch troll

BREAKFAST FOODS ARE THE KINDEST AND MOST LOVING FOODS

nah, they are bland or gross artery-clogging flimsily disguised results of animal torture

i miss regular brunching.

tza also OTM.

About Victory’s Banner

For all of those who work at Victory’s Banner, the restaurant stands as a spiritual expression. We exist for one reason and one reason only… to serve you joyfully. We hope to do this by offering the best food we can, prepared and served as devotedly as possible.

Yes, we are vegetarian, but you won’t miss the meat! We use the finest ingredients, like free-range eggs (no hormones - they taste better!), fresh fruit, real whipped cream and great coffee. We’ve attempted to make the atmosphere uplifting and peaceful. Even the sugar packets offer an inspiring message!

Brunch is any time between 10 and 3. Just FYI.

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I hate forced inspirational places. They make me violent.

I went to this godawful raw food place in SF once and almost strangled everyone who worked there.

i fucking hate that place. or more precisely, i hate the clientele waiting for the outdoor seating area. CLEAR THE FUCKING SIDEWALK YOU FUCKS.

xpost to jordan.

lol

While I disagree with you about brunch foods, dell, I do like this new misanthropic tack you're taking. It speaks to me.

I went to this godawful raw food place in SF once and almost strangled everyone who worked there.

Only legal if you weave the cord out of wheatgrass.

libcrypt, we should start a law firm together. We would make so much money, first with the bad advice, second trying to fix it. Oh wait that business model has been working on Wall Street for years.

lol tax trolls on a brunch troll thread

One my favorite brunch menus.

Tax trolls do not live by 1040 sandwiches alone, brother.

Brunch law is no laughing matter, Mr. Que.

I had this really pretentious colleague who disdained brunch for being "bourgeois."

brunch torts

My fave SF brunch place is Squat & Gobble.

Ideally, brunch should contain at least one salty food, if not several.

Savoury, whatevs.

my favorite:

http://www.trailcenterlodge.com/images/restaurant/tcmenu-breakfast.jpg

EAT 3 GET THEM FREE

tortious interference with bacon: seeking free bloody marys in punitive damages

Brunch, defined.

330 is brunch

garbanzos, carrots + spinich cooked in heavy olive oil over a medium high flame in a pot capped and tossed; add a good amount of salt, and if you have fasted three days, a good amount of cayenne.

ach

It just occurred to me that I've actually brunched with an ILXor.

i've brunched with at least one ilxor.

The brunch + tax discussions combined would make a good episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadephia: Dennis and Dee Pay Sales Tax on Brunch

i've brunched w the chicago crew a few times.

Maybe there needs to be an ILX FAB.

libcrypt, aren't you in the Upper Haight?

i've brunched with many ilxors.

i've never brunched with chilxors.

MW, yes I am.

Libcrypt,

You know what else is good for brunch(esque) weekend food, is the Rigo Boulanges. There's one on Cole and one at the corner of Fillmore and Waller. A block from me is Metro, which is okay but it can be quite pleasant in the back garden. Does Magnolia do bruch?

I find 'Squat & Gobble' kind of insipid - it doesn't strike me as even being very good greasy spoon food, but I haven't been to one in ages.

I'll make note of Rigo Boulanges. My wife is always prowling for a new good brunch spot. Sometimes we head to Hayes Valley for brunch on the weekends, but the good spots are usually packed. The Last Supper Club was good for brunch but I guess it didn't get enough business or something.

Magnolia does brunch but I guess it's not really what I'm after, and it's not as vegetarian-friendly as Squat & Gobble. I usually don't get the greasy stuff @ S&G, just something like soup & salad or tofu scramble & hefeweisen, which is perfect brunch for me.

MW, have you had the sour cherry bread pudding at 2223?

Brunch, it seems to me, is like porn - you know it when you see it.

Rcok, I haven't but the savory bread puddings (they change seasonally) are always delicious.

i fucking hate that place. or more precisely, i hate the clientele waiting for the outdoor seating area. CLEAR THE FUCKING SIDEWALK YOU FUCKS.

Not much different from any other brunch place in Chicago, though. That Ephron quote upthread is gold. (Man, I could really go for some Victory's Banner, too.)

My only issue with brunch is that I'm not keen on eggs and don't always want a big ol' boring stack of pancakes -- so I appreciate places that do things like tofu scrambles.

I always wonder why the Pork Store on Haight seems to have a line outside on the weekends, often 20 people long. Is it really THAT porkily good?

Brunch is whenever the fuck you wake up hungover on a day you don't have to work.

Okay DELL how about breakfast foods such as asparagus in hollandaise (or plain), coffee, toast with lemon curd, delicious oatmeal and grits, muffins of all majestic variety, and fresh fruits? Would you castigate these foods from your life? If so, you are a foolish eater.

Fuck you if you hate grapefruit. I can't even eat grapefruit bcz of my meds (weird), and if you are all gonna be like "no I just do yoga for my mental health maaaan, I can eat all the grapefruits I want but they're a brunch thing so I pass 'em by," I'm gonna call you an ingrate.

I miss you, grapefruit. I had spoons just for eating you. ;_;

dell is clearly bad at life

Grapefruit blocks a whole host of meds. Including but not limited to most SSRIs.

I guess what happens is that grapefruit helps metabolize the drugs a lot quicker than they would normally be metabolized.

It's so sad...

Is it really THAT porkily good?

I've never bothered. Never been to Kate's Kitchen, either. I don't do brunch lines.

http://firstwefeast.com/eat/the-complete-guide-to-hating-brunch/s/35080/

it's just saturday or sunday

The thing that annoys me about brunch is that you can somehow take breakfast foods and charge 75% more for them because they're called brunch. It's fucking eggs and pancakes.

I miss you, grapefruit. I had spoons just for eating you. ;_;

me too ... i can't eat grapefruit or drink grapefruit juice any more b/c it's too acidic for me to digest.

there was a while when i wasn't allowed to have grapefruit or grapefruit juice because one of the chemicals had a bad interaction with a medication i was taking.

or, what abbott said.

Brunch.

colleague who disdained brunch for being "bourgeois."

colleague otm, should treat them to some eggs

business idea: brunch anytime

an app, brunchr, that delivers you brunches somehow, in specially designed chafing dishes that keep it still brunch

The delivery man will actually say "it comes with a mimosa or bellini" when he delivers it

sorry to hear brunch sucks in new york.

also it's better if you think of it as breakfast.

Man these yuppies have ruined everything about NYC, even brunch.

the backlash is real
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/opinion/sunday/brunch-is-for-jerks.html?_r=0

It's really a tour-de-force, tying in Dubai, conspicuous consumption, the decline of the family, and the end of adulthood.

haha yes that was amazing

my dad always says "brunch is for losers", because what sort of person has time to stand around on the sidewalk for 45 minutes so that they can order an omelette?

Weekend brunch is overrated, weekend early breakfast is underrated

the biggest brunch lines in my neighborhood are for the two shittiest spots

OTM xp

The brunch at the place with the 1 hr wait is never 1 hr's worth of wait better than the place with no wait is the main thing to me. I think the quality variance in dinners is much higher.

I think the last brunch I ate was at the Russ & Daughter's café, which actually was a long wait but they let us leave and texted us when the table was ready. It was p damn good but kind of wish they gave a couple more slices of smoked fish, seemed a bit paltry.

*& Daughters

Brunch is probably hte single most bullshit idea white people have ever invented

IDK man, lotta competition for that

I never knew alcohol was a pre-req for tru brunch but now that I know it is? fuck brunch

i fucking miss ny brunch. if you got out of the apt at 10 you were an early bird, here in la everywhere's already packed at that hour

Weekend brunch is overrated, weekend early breakfast is underrated

Truth. I go to my local spot for a good, low-key cheap breakfast on Saturdays pretty much right when they open at 8.

i dunno how people are defining it to hate it, but if you hate "eating a big meal between 10am-2pm on a lazy saturday" this is what it sounds like when butts cry

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brunch in USA is basically all-day breakfast in UK, right?

I ate brunch two weeks ago. I had a nice time.

Having brupper tonight.

i dunno how people are defining it to hate it, but if you hate "eating a big meal between 10am-2pm on a lazy saturday" this is what it sounds like when butts cry

― da croupier, Friday, October 10, 2014 1:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

Yeah, hating that would be what we called a "challop" back in the day

i dunno how people are defining it to hate it, but if you hate "eating a big meal between 10am-2pm on a lazy saturday" this is what it sounds like when butts cry

This idea blows. Sorry

you blow. Sorry

more food for me, hater

i will note i do not wait in line for 45 minutes but that is true in 95% of circumstances, not just brunch

also i've never lived in nyc and have only had brunch there maybe twice. when i think of brunch it's usually at a friend's or family member's house or something

breakfast food is great, just don't go to places with crazy wait times or overpriced, shitty food, jeez.

i cry no tears for nyc brunchers they don't realize how easy it is to get a good meal at a reasonable hour in a land where you don't have to drive and the bars are open til 4am

where here people are rolling up to valet service at 9am and JESUS FUCK

fuckin ned's prancing in at 8 apparently, sunshine on his shoulders making him happy

I seem to remember reading some other NYT or NYMag article about "brunch culture" or the "brunch scene" or something, which was actually about some kind of ultra-decadent brunches that hedge funders went to with models and bottles and shit, and one thing I really fucking hate in the NYT/NYMag is when people stealth brag by "hating" in print something that 99% of the readership will never experience. And given that this guy apparently once flew to Dubai for brunch, he seems to be in that category.

In Chicago we have Polish brunch. It's essential. Pierogi are the perfect brunch food.

fuckin ned's prancing in at 8 apparently, sunshine on his shoulders making him happy

It does!

I like brunch because the vibe differs from dinner, where people have had all day to accumulate anecdotes, jokes, and tempers. Brunch allows a slightly lower alcohol consumption with friends still figuring out who they're going to be that day because it's too damn early. The only thing that sucks about brunch is waiting till 10:30 or 11 a.m. or whatever; by that point I'm thinking of lunch.

brunch is stupid b/c waiting in line for food is some suburban chain restaurant shit. might as well give me a beeper and let me go check out bed bath and beyond for 45 minutes. if u want to go somewhere that serves both breakfast food and lunch food and coffee and also booze maybe and there _is no line_ and and that food is good sure holla at ya boy but if we are brunching just to get in touch with or closer to the ineffable spirit of brunch, like celebrating ~brunch~ as some sort of totem in concert with a bunch of other glassy eyed young professional brunch celebrants then you can leave me the fuck alone. and before yall are like ppl don't actually do that go walk around your neighborhood on sunday morning and check out the brunching crowd and tell me i'm wrong then

or you can, you know, make a reservation

or does Eeyore stay in his lean-to scowling w/Owl while Rabbit, Piglet and Pooh drink mimosas and eat bacon

Or go to a less popular place or one that texts you when your table is ready.

while Eeyore can be in Bed Bath & Beyond buying pear-scented candles for his lean-to.

Man, here it is 2014 and we're still on the internet talking about brunch, hipsters, whether the rent is finally too high -- I'm starting to feel like I've been waiting at this station too long and maybe my train is just not running

it's possible to make breakfast

I actually understand hating brunch but that NYT piece is some top shelf bullshitty unintentional self-satire.

reservations are good. not crowded is good. take me to these brunch spots that are both delicious and take reservations. not taking reservations is the single worst "innovation" of the post-fine dining momofuku'd-out world we live in.

why is piglet eating bacon thats fucked up

i mean as mentioned upthread we have to define what we are talking about when we say "brunch".

as da croupier already mentioned if we are just talking about a late morning/early afternoon meal that has some sweet and savory foods served together then i don't understand what the big fuckin deal is.

seems like everyone is throwing in 1) yuppies; 2) hipsters; 3) long lines; 4) overpriced bad food; 5) upper-class jerks; 6) nyc bullshit; 5) chain restaurant nonsense, etc into their definition without actually specifying why all that needs to be "brunch"

I think not taking reservations is just something that makes economic sense when you have lower check amounts per table (i.e. at brunch or at a cheaper place). You can't afford to tie up a table even for an extra 5-10 mins with a reservation at a busy time.

Like you can hold the table for the couple that's going to spend $200 with wine and dessert, not the one that's going to spend $40 on some overdressed pancakes.

We do what i guess could be called brunch on sundays during football season. but that is at home with friends and it often just involves some kind of eggs and bloody mary's or beers. is this ok?

wouldn't mind some carne asada with those eggs and Bloodys tbh

no carne, you are ruining the middle class affordability and artsy edginess of my city in which you do not live

i understand the brutal economic reality faced by today's independent restaurateur, i just think it sucks.

and marcos the reason all these non-directly-meal-related factors are being rolled up into "brunch" is b/c brunch is really a metonym for this larger cultural apparatus that (for many of its participants) necessarily involves these things: jetset yupsters waiting in endless serpentine lines for unevenly reheated slop benedict. well not really but brunch-as-social-construct-in-modern-america is pretty inextricably bound to particular images of leisure and class and a louche open-necked unshaven tipsiness.

like seriously no one here is gonna gripe about good food served during a generous mealtime window

well this is ILE

i dunno how people are defining it to hate it, but if you hate "eating a big meal between 10am-2pm on a lazy saturday" this is what it sounds like when butts cry

This idea blows. Sorry

― 龜, Friday, October 10, 2014 1:41 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Traditionally I make an enormous pile of monte cristo sandwiches and serve them with sugar and jam (or sometimes béarnaise) on New Year's Day with tomato juice and coffee to hungover people and I think that counts as brunch but that's a special occasion not every Saturday

you yuppie savage

and marcos the reason all these non-directly-meal-related factors are being rolled up into "brunch" is b/c brunch is really a metonym for this larger cultural apparatus that (for many of its participants) necessarily involves these things: jetset yupsters waiting in endless serpentine lines for unevenly reheated slop benedict. well not really but brunch-as-social-construct-in-modern-america is pretty inextricably bound to particular images of leisure and class and a louche open-necked unshaven tipsiness.

― adam, Friday, 10 October 2014 21:19 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i got your larger cultural apparatus right here. urban yuppies didn't invent brunch ffs, people have it after church in the heartland

at the point people start complaining about jetset yuppie blah blah the word "brunch" becomes redundant. it's not like y'all dig those people any other time of the week.

superfluous, not redundant, i mean

I was kind of thinking about starting a "the kind of ilx posts that there are" thread, because, for example, it seems like there's pretty much always someone who skateboards into the thread, reminds us that if you hate obviously enjoyable thing you hate fun, throws up a hang loose sign and skateboards off into the sunset.

brunch is exciting

true. among other things, brunch offers many exciting possibilities for eating mayonnaise and tipping

one of the first ppl i heard talking ostentatiously about brunch in the media (30 years ago) was Rush Limbaugh

Your mid 20s.