British Right-Wing Pundits

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There seems to be lots of threads about US right wing pundits but a cursory search, and searchs for "richard littlejohn" and "melanie phillips" don't bring up much of interest, so erm who are the big players? Littlejohn, Phillips, Simon Heffer? Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts? How do they differ? Do we haves over here a LIBERAL ELITE keeping them down?

erm search / destroy if you want...

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And then there's Peter Hitchens

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

People forget Clarkson, the man is probably by a fair distance Britain's most "powerful" journalist (and he came up through journo college and the local newspapers like you're meant to as well).

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm sure The Lex will be along to defend Phillips in a bit.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Why? Does she like Paris Hilton too?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

From a hack standpoint, watching Littlejohn try and alter his rhetoric since moving from The Sun to the Mail has been pretty fascinating. He doesn't fit in at the mail, it's like watching some scally squeezed into a Matalan suit for a court appearance. He does his best work as the White Van Man spokesperson, not for people who suffer heart attacks every time the house price market changes slightly. More builder's tea than Whittards.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what does Garry Bushell do now he's apparently no longer a TV critic?

Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts?

they literally have less reach? not as big a field to operate in? the media is 'bigger' in the US?

blueski, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Simon Heffer is too much of a hilarious cartoon villain to be properly annoying

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Anyway, could yr Bill O'Reillies or yr Anne Coulters drop gems like this?

Let's get the caveat out of the way from the off. The five women murdered in Ipswich were tragic, lost souls who met a grisly end. I sincerely hope whoever killed them is caught, charged and convicted.

No one with a shred of humanity would wish upon them their ghastly lives and horrible deaths. But Mother Teresa, they weren't.

And I know this might sound frightfully callous in the current hysterical, emotional climate, but we're not all guilty.

We do not share in the responsibility for either their grubby little existences or their murders. Society isn't to blame.

It might not be fashionable, or even acceptable in some quarters, to say so, but in their chosen field of "work'=", death by strangulation is an occupational hazard.

That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.

Of course their friends and families are grieving. That's what friends and families do. But they should also be asking themselves if there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

If you discovered your daughter had gone on the game to feed her heroin habit, wouldn't you move heaven and earth to get her off it?

Frankly, I'm tired of the lame excuses about how they all fell victim to ruthless pimps who plied them with drugs. These women were on the streets because they wanted to be.

We are all capable of free will. At any time, one or all of them could have sought help from the police, or the church, or a charity, or a government agency specifically established to deal with heroin addicts. They chose not to.

The tortuous twistings of the sisterhood over the past week have been a joy to behold. The 30-yearold Spare Rib T-shirts have been brought out of mothballs and we've been treated to the All Men Are Bastards/Rapists/Murderers mantra from assorted Glendas who ought to be old enough to know better.

We've heard the well-rehearsed arguments for legalised and regulated prostitution, as if we were living under the Taliban. The fact is, we've already got de facto legal brothels on every High Street.

They're call saunas or massage parlours.

As I remarked when the Labour MP Joe Ashton was once caught in a Siamese "sauna" in Northampton, he must have been the only man in Britain ever to go to a massage parlour for a massage. It doesn't get much more glamorous than that.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

The men who used them were either too mean to fork out whatever a massage parlour charges, or simply weren't fussy. Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores. Where there's demand, there'll always be supply.

This wasn't a case of women going on the game to put bread on the table, or to look after their "babies". That's what the welfare state is for. They did it for drugs.

The gormless Guardianistas simply refuse to confront this blindingly obvious reality. They would rather deify celebrity druggies such as Kate Moss and Will Self than face the truth that hard drugs wreck lives.

What I find most objectionable about all this is the attempt to make us all feel responsible for the murders. There is a nasty whiff of Lady Di about the enforced mood of mourning, with even the Old Bill coming across like hand-wringing archbishops.

At Ipswich Town's home game on Saturday, there was a minute's silence. We were supposed to believe that this was a true reflection of the community's sympathy.

I don't buy it. Most people went along with it in the spirit of emotional correctness and through fear of getting their heads kicked in if they didn't.

There was only one thing missing, but don't bet against it.

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East, don't be surprised if he turns up at the funeral of one of these unfortunate women to deliver a lip-trembling, tear-stained eulogy: "She was the People's Prostitute".

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Maybe difference between US "what the government is doing is right but it is being hampered by imaginary lefty conspiracy" vs UK's more marginalised "everything everyone does is wrong and gives you cancer, whatever happened to the good old days wahhh"

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

old people: who did the mail / sun tilt against during the thatcher years? the oppositon?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The unions

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Looney Left, Militant up in Liverpool, Red Ken down in London. "THEY'RE BANNING OUR KIDS FROM SINGING "BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP"" political correctness gone mad stuff.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And, yeah, Scargill obviously.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ginger lefties

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Argies

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

jon gaunt

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And blacks.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You heard me.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Little" being the operative word

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not according to the most recent polls.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

... and wasn't Cameron one of those responsible for that policy?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

parties don't campaign on 'number one concern of voters' in general but the voters who will swing the election, ie middle england blah blah blah.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Middle england (according to the polls) cares about health and house prices.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

healthy and house prices

fixed

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what on earth could their problem be with house prices!? they are winning that war. it would be interesting to know the nature of middle england's concern w. health -- taking my parents as barometer of same, their problem isn't exactly lack of service but quality of it: hospital bugs etc. a move by the tories towards increased private provision probably wouldn't phase them too much.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their kids getting on the property ladder?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Having to live near poor people?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

are the right wing pundits repping for "middle england" thou? as dom points out Littlejohn is, or at least was, the voice of white van man. all the big scares of recent years have focused on working class fears as much as middle england haven't they?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, who cares about "working class fears"?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Difference between white working class fears of immigration and middle England fears of immigration? Straightforward difference of economics vs culture?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also theres a sense that rightwing british pundits dont really believe that much in what they right, so it all comes off a bit geezer down the pub, who says one thing one minute and another the next

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

a decent education system in this country might mean people writing right instead of righting write

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If nothing else, the French election campaign makes me feel nostalgic for the days when one party stood for something and another party stood for something else, clearcut with no ambiguity and no chasing after the same limited and overrated floating electorate.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

perhaps with a decent university system that keeps the poor out, some of them may even write correctly

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

-- 600, Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:05 PM (4 minutes ago)"

lol 8080

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There are a lot of rent-a-rightie types on the op ed pages of the Times who you know cynically knock out 500 words of half-hearted spleen on the turn of a dime and really don't give a toss one way or the other - stand up Stephen Pollard, Ross Clark, Mick Hume and Rosemary Righter, which latter name could have come straight out of Kingsley Amis.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh i think mick hume cares a lot. he's sinister fucker with a scary team.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Since when was Mick Hume on Sinister?

Still, never trust an ex-Marxist.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think saying they don't actually believe what they're saying is a bit dangerous. cf that thread about melanie phillips and the missing WMDs.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've said this before elsewhere on ILE, but Peter Cook used to write a fervently right-wing column for the Daily Mail in '76-8. He said he didn't agree with a word of it but he thought that was the kind of writing the editor of the Daily Mail wanted, and it paid good money. Most notoriously, he gave a scathing denouncement of punk rock which he'd written with Malcolm McLaren the night before.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what thread was that?

i know what you mean acrobat. but melanie p means every word of what she says. she is less of a menace than the others, partly because that imo. which sounds odd but basically i don't think many guardian writers are really very committed to any kind of politics, they, like their right-wing counterparts, churn out perversely 'reassuring' copy each day, confirming their readers' half-thought out prejudices. polly toynbee and jackie ashley exist solely as government mouthpieces, for example.

crosspost

the cook columns are really funny though!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He also mocked the idea that Martin Luther King was a good person because he used to sleep around, some of the columns are in that "I Was Born An Only Twin" collection.

xp

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Does this guy count as a rightwing pundit? Or is he a bit too button-down for the raving loon aspect?

He's the kind who's exported to america, at least, since he's over here on a book tour.

kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=53352#unread

this thread. i flicked through the spectator for the first time ever last week. it was really horrible.

xpost

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Upper class twit (xp)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

he's crazy like a right-leaning fox.

good parody of him in last week's private eye.

xpost

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"'reassuring' copy"

hmmm...

acrobat, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 08:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm thinking of toynbee really -- totally reliable worldview, could have been written any time in the last century.

i remember that labour voters used to say, well yeah blair *is* a dick, but wait till brown comes in, then it'll be sweet. so we live in interesting times.

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 08:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I find Toynbee a lot more dangerous than pretty much any right-wing British pundit, to be honest.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 09:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East...

Are the right-wingers in Britian opposed to TWAT?

Heave Ho, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's complicated. Provisionally, no. In reality, sort of.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Daily Mail have pretty much opposed any war fought by Blair.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well it's all sort of paradoxiacal innit. the old divisions have become bluured. a government that, if the strawmanning can work properly, has to be characterized as left wing fighting an "imperialist" war. with brown coming in i guess the old battles may be revived SOUR SOCIALIST SCOT WANTS YR TAXES!

british culture is weird atm, reactionary seems to be the new subversive. or at least people (mark lawson) can still be claiming the likes of ricky gervais, little britain etc to be something other than the heirs of love thy neighbour. also see the hideousness have i got news for you has become: "john prescott is a fat cunt lol lol, boris johnson is a top wheeze jeremy clarkson lol global warming doesn't exist ha ha ha..."

acrobat, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

No mention of Patrick O'Flynn? from The Worlds Greatest Newspaper?

Monday's was a cracker.

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It even came complete with the Expresses favourite photo...
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Ned Trifle II, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Which is my opinion of right-wing pundits, and my inability to post links...

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

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Ned Trifle II, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh read it for yrselves...

THE Rowntree report into poverty levels among Britain's ethnic minority communities is, predictably, being used by left-wingers to call for even more public spending and even more "anti-racism" initiatives.

The report reveals that poverty rates are far higher among black and Asian communities than among whites.

Bangladeshi and Pakistani families are particularly likely to live in poverty.

But there is another way to read this report.

What it actually does - though this is not what its liberal leftish authors will have intended - is to give the lie to claims that mass immigration has always been in the national economic interest.

It is common ground now among Left and Right that economic participation is the way to eliminate poverty. So a community with lots of poverty will tend to be a community in which relatively few people are making an economic contribution.

Therefore, not only are Muslim communities in the inner-cities the source of cultural and political tension with mainstream Britain, they are also revealed to be a major economic burden too.

Their economic participation rates are extremely low. If you believe, as I do, that this is primarily due to cultural factors rather than any overwhelming anti-Asian racism in Britain, then it becomes even clearer that the mass immigration of these groups with no simultaneous demand being made of them to integrate, has not so far been in the interests of Britain as a whole.

Given the large family sizes which are typical in these communities, they must also be putting a big strain on public services and social housing.

If we are to build a tolerant, successful, multi-racial Britain then people must be persuaded to stop using their ethnic origin as an excuse for underachievement or anti-social conduct. Left-wingers should be challenging members of these communities to fulfill their human potential, not giving them more excuses to view themselves as victims.

No doubt racism does still exist towards the ethnic minorities, but it is clearly not the main reason for some groups prospering and others ending up in poverty. It cannot explain why the Jews and Chinese have been economically successful and yet people from Pakistan and Bangladesh have, in general, not been. Neither can it explain why black boys and the children of Irish travellers are much more likely than average to be expelled from schools, while Indian and Chinese children are much less likely.

Is there an army of black-hating, traveller-baiting state school teachers out there which at the same time has an irrational adoration for Chinese and Indian children? I hardly think so. Different family structures are resulting in different types of behaviour across the ethnic groups.

The answer to problems of poverty and crime have to come from within the communities themselves. It is time for law-abiding Britons to stop beating themselves up about the failure of large proportions of people from some immigrant groups to succeed.

So you don't want to be poor? So learn the language, work hard at school, get a job and only bring into the world only the number of children that you can support out of your own income. So you don't want to end up in prison? Then stop breaking the law. And that applies whether you are black, white or sky-blue pink.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh man daily mail are going down the BAN ABORTION road. well the front page yesterday was. jesus.

acrobat, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was pretty shocked by the number of gps who thought it should be illegal.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing the Daily Mail didn't mention that the reason for that is probably because of the disproportionate number of British GPs who are devoutly Hindu, huh?

Dom Passantino, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They know their audience.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51w7DZo1-AL._SS500_.jpg

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Jeremy Clarkson
'makes you laugh out loud and drives you incandescent with rage at
what the Blair years have done to Britain.'


Synopsis
Richard Littlejohn describes his job as sitting at the back throwing bottles. His twice-weekly columns have become an essential fix for millions of readers of the Daily Mail and the Sun over the past two decades. In "Littlejohn's Britain" he takes aim at the Blair years, lampooning New Labour with polemic, pastiche, parody, satire and savage social commentary. His cast of characters - including Two Jags, the Wicked Witch, Captain Hook and the Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban - have become part of the fabric of the nation. "Littlejohn" ridicules the country Britain has become over the past ten years - the barmy bureaucracy, the surveillance state, the petty interference in our lives, the suffocating regulations, policeman and judges who think they're part of the social services, the insanities of the 'elf 'n' safety industry, which have created such idiocies as forcing revellers celebrating Guy Fawkes Night to watch a bonfire on a big screen. Littlejohn has a bloodhound's nose for cant, hypocrisy and lunacy and an unparalleled talent for pouring scorn on the arrogance of the powerful, while making his readers roar with laughter. It's all here, in hilarious detail. Read The "Secret Sex Diaries of David Blunkett", sing along to "Two Jags: The Musical", take a ride on Blair Force One, play The Immigration Game and fight the Battle of Trafalgar under modern 'elf 'n' safety guidelines. 'Littlejohn has been ... a vivid exponent of a great British columnar style that stretches back five centuries or more. He's a distant, bastard cousin of Thomas Nash, Daniel Defoe and Alexander Pope. Cassandra and Bernard Levin might justly buy him a pint in the Chesire Cheese. Like or loathe him, he's the real, talented deal.' - "Observer".

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

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It's so brilliant this site has been infested by Leftie activists!, 15 May 2007
Reviewer: Krishnamurti "K" - See all my reviews
As someone who has ACTUALLY read the book I can honestly say it is brilliant, as only the genius Littlejohn can be. That's why he is so sought after, and gets paid so much more than the other poor saps. The fundamentalist Lefties who have "contributed" so far hate him because he has given them such a pasting over the years. They really should stick to reading unpopular papers as the Guardian and The Independent. But normal grown ups will find this book a tonic and a delight.

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acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah the london eye REALLY PISSES ME OFF too

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the insanities of the 'elf 'n' safety industry

i must say, though -- yesterday i was sitting in an office in a university and a health and safety person came round with an appointment, tried to do a workplace assessment of SOMEONE WHO WASN'T THERE via her co-worker, and then lectured said co-worker about minimizing mouse use + taking three breaks a day for 20-odd minutes.

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you couldn't make it up

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i know right.

weird blurb. i doubt many littlejohn fans have heard of thomas nashe, daniel defoe, and alexander pope, let alone read them (shit i haven't and i went to posh school); conversely doubt many pope fans dig on littlejohn's steez.

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's a quote from the observer thou.

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"He's a distant, bastard cousin of Thomas Nash, Daniel Defoe and Alexander Pope."

*speechless*

Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"weird blurb. i doubt many littlejohn fans have heard of thomas nashe, daniel defoe, and alexander pope, let alone read them (shit i haven't and i went to posh school); conversely doubt many pope fans dig on littlejohn's steez"

you can't read pope if you're thick. his verse is some of the most densely packed of all.

Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's not that the uk media is skewed to the left, it's more the case that the us has the religious right/neo-con mega buck bigots in great abundance.

AmyCamus, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's a quote from the observer thou.

-- acrobat, Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:48 PM (Yesterday)


holy fucking god.

because it's part of the guardian group and because of the hutton/new labour era i still instinctively think of the observer as leftish but it really isn't -- if you look at its history the observer's leftish phase was a tiny blip.

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That is one shit cover. Speed cameras, the London Eye and a rubbish bin? Really tackling those difficult subjects aren't you waste of fucking space.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i like his face there. he is communicating "you couldn't make it up" via mime.

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Customers with Similar Searches Purchased

Screen Burn Paperback by Charlie Brooker
How to Be Right: The Essential Guide... Paperback by James Delingpole The New Thought Police Paperback by Tammy Bruce

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Who is this Tammy Bruce woman? And what's her problem?

The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce
The New American Revolution: Using the Power of the Individual to Save Our Nation from Extremists
The New American Revolution: How You Can Fight the Tyranny of the Left's Cultural and Moral Decay

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And why do so many American books have such long titles?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

james delingpole. dear god.

Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

but mixing yr right wing polemic with charile brooker ha ha. he's clearly fighting the good fight against left wing values!

acrobat, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 23:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

brooker wrote an anti-littlejohn thing the other day lol

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 23:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

because it's part of the guardian group and because of the hutton/new labour era i still instinctively think of the observer as leftish but it really isn't -- if you look at its history the observer's leftish phase was a tiny blip.


I remember back when Melanie Phillips was an Observer columnist.

Forest Pines, Thursday, 17 May 2007 08:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

mels used to be a lefty though innit.

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 08:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

She wasn't in her Observer column days, well not the ones I remember.

Freaky Trigger used to be hosted on the same server as her website, so every time it went down I consoled myself with the thought that it might have been due to an anti-Phillips cyber-onslaught.

Groke, Thursday, 17 May 2007 08:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"oh dear i accidentally seem to have deleted the index page..."

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 09:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Brooker might not be right wing but he's part of the whole 'everything's crap, the modern world sucks' brigade. Also he's often funny though unlike everyone else mentioned here.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 09:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Plus Brooker-Littlejohn buyer could be someone who's bought the Littlejohn to gasp in horror, like I do when I feel my stress levels need to rise and read the Daily Mail.

Anna, Thursday, 17 May 2007 10:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I saw Brooker at the cinema a few weeks back. He has the most concave face ever.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 10:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

One of my friends buys PJ O'Rourke books despite being a hardcore commie pinko. Know your enemy or something?

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 17 May 2007 10:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's why I still link to Blissblog on CoM ;-)

Michael Bywater is what Brooker will eventually become.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 10:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I always assumed that lefties accounted for a pretty big chunk of O'Rourke's book sales, but it might just be me

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I bought O'Rourke and am a pinko commie. But I've only kept one book. It's essentially the same joke in all the rest I discovered, and it gets tiresome.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i don't know much about pj o'rourke. i read an interview with him once thou, he didn't seem like ann coulter or rush limbaugh.

acrobat, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

nothing can make you like the guardian more than reading another paper you pick up on the bus/at the barbers/etc

Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

anyone see jonathan meades last night?

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I AM Jonathan Meades - haven't you worked it out yet?

Nothing can make me like the Guardian less than its contents, i.e.:
(a) Beano comic;
(b) women journalists only allowed to write columns about their fluffy-wuffy bwains being too feisty-weisty to understand art/politics/music/the world/life;
(c) except P Toynbee: "VOTE GORDON HE IS THE FUTURE (C) MILLBANK PROMOTIONS PLC 2007";
(d) aforementioned Brooker modern life is all shit well come up with a better idea then or top yourself;
(e) "many over-verbose, jealous bloggers have been speculating in indigestible 3000-word tracts about the whereabouts of Maddy but I ALEXIS know the truth";
(f) what do you think about Palestine, yeah Palestine, yeah Palestine, that place that's just across the sea?

I've stopped reading the Times as well now except on Saturdays. Arrant Tory rot, as though it ever were anything else.

ps: that mugging was staged.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

he seemed a lot more reactionary and dullardy than i was expecting. I enjoyed last week's show, and what i can remember of previous series, although I was possibly too young to really 'get' him then.

Apparently the Piloti guy from Private Eye is/was doing a show about the Orient Express at the moment. great days for reactionary architecture buffs.

Bocken Social Scene, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

anyone see jonathan meades last night?

i was going to mention the programme somewhere. i quite enjoyed his lecturing at first but he ruined things by being so utterly glib really.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ps: that mugging was staged.]

haha

he wasn't really reactionary. his point was flashy buildings that middle-class people like to see on "city breaks" don't actually provide much income for the inhabitants of the still pretty run-down north, and that instead of channelling money to poncey architects the money could be spent on things like, hhhhm, let's see, schools or even "subsidized jobs" -- hurrah for defense contracts! -- or other things that might make a difference.

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the example of Bilbao skewed the argument a bit...unless Liverpool really does draw in as many tourists as the Basque commercial capital.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how dyou mean? that bilbao has 'worked' because it pulls in tourists?

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

essentially yes.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Liverpool gets loads of tourists - Beatles etc.

Anna, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i know but that seems more of a constant that non-Beatles 'cultural sightbites' may not have really expanded upon. and more than Bilbao now? but i'm guessing Bilbao didn't get a lot of visitors before the museum - i could be wrong.

the bilbao example was more interesting because of the area's particular insularity and pride tho and the juxtaposition of this and Gehry's Guggenheim (fell from the sky/could've landed anywhere else, doesn't care about/reflect the 'native' culture/community). so how Bilbao's communities square that with the commercial benefits on their city is maybe more interesting than it would be in a lot of places.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they have papers at the barbers?

i read fhm the other day, at the barbers. well actually it was a little while ago. i just didnt want to tell you guy at the time, in case you said something

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

when i say guy, i mean guy as in blueski, not guys as in everyone else

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that could have done with unpacking -- it's a fascinating topic. my guess is that no way did bilbao get that many tourists pre-guggenheim; but then the whole cheap-flight city-hopping phenomenon only took off in the last ten years or so too.

did you really read it 696, or just look at the pretty ladies?

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i looked at the ladies

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

though there was this article about the decline of manufacturing on teeside which wasnt bad

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the article was typed in 8pt Frutiger over a photo of Billie Piper in her pants

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

but then the whole cheap-flight city-hopping phenomenon only took off in the last ten years or so too.

a book about this would be v interesting, initially on stats basis (general increase across all european major cities generally? unexpected successes irrespective of recent developlements e.g. guggenheims or regen projects?) but also the commercial, cultural, environmental and subsequent political effects of course.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yea it was kinda annoying having to read the whole article to be able see everything properly

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Has no-on mentioned Frederick Forsyth?

He doesn't like longlife lightbulbs. Or at least seems to have some kind of house that destroys them, therefore they are a bad idea obviously.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/2615

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ahhh the express - the headline to-day "Interest rates to go even higher". What even higher than under your beloved Thatcher? No? Well then shut the fuck up.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

take note at the easy ride the mail is giving gordo. i only read the front covers admitedlly thou it did say in the newstatesman he has gone out of way to have huggles with the owners of the mail and the sun.

acrobat, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

have huggles with the owners of the mail and the sun

shiver

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I saw R Wade in Daylesford Organic once - with Ross K in a barbour and cap. How I laughed.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

uh paul dacre and gordon brown liek each other lots.

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

private eye's been saying this for ages.

wonder what the statesman's deal is, cos the guy who bankrolls it (geoffrey robertson? labour qc, super-rich) is or was brown fan #1.

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like the way the comments blame Blair for long-life light bulbs, as if he designs and markets them himself.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what people don't realise is that dacre is a saloon bar socialist and that the daily mail has been an extended satire ALL ALONG.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think you're confusing 2 people there, Geoffrey Robinson (ex Labour MP, very rich, owner of the NS) and Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette

He is not! Is he really?

Tom D., Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what people don't realise is that dacre is a saloon bar socialist and that the daily mail has been an extended satire ALL ALONG.
-- Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:26 (1 hour ago)

I think you're confusing 2 people there, Geoffrey Robinson (ex Labour MP, very rich, owner of the NS) and Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette.
-- Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:05 (5 minutes ago)


I understood Marcello's post easily enough, but if people are likely to be confused by it, why would only those two be confused (and how long have they been lurking on ilx)?

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette

He is not! Is he really?


Yes really, although I had to go and check. 2 Australians far from home find solace in each others arms innit.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile back to british right wing pundits here's a Jon Gaunt fansite!

http://www.gauntyfansite.co.uk/

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well that's unsurprisingly rubbish...

Thank you for registering. The admin must approve your registration before you may begin to use your account, you will receive an email shortly advising you of the admins decision.

I hope I'm rejected.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

On fantasy island
Johann Hari

Published 21 May 2007

Print version Listen RSS Littlejohn's Britain
Richard Littlejohn Hutchinson, 320pp, £12.99
ISBN 0091795680


Let's be open-minded. Let's be ready to laugh. According to the press release accompanying this cut-and-pasting of Richard Littlejohn's recent rants in the Sun and Daily Mail, he is a descendant of James Gillray, Daniel Defoe and the great English satirists, "the real, talented deal".

People who have only ever heard him on the radio, where his satire consists of witticisms such as calling for gay rights activists to be killed with flame-throwers (which drew a rare reprimand from the Radio Authority, now part of Ofcom), may be perplexed by this description.

But I carefully sewed up my sides, opened the book, and found Littlejohn's first gag. He told a pre-power Tony Blair, when asked for political advice, that he should "take on Liverpool". He should "put tanks on the East Lancs Road, submarines in the River Mersey and then surround the place with barbed wire. Then you send in the bombers and turn the place into a car park. When the dust settles, you invite the Hong Kong Chinese to take over. Job done."

Cherie Blair - a Liverpudlian - found this tedious and walked off, thus giving birth to Littlejohn's barrage of "satire" against her. He dubbed her "the Wicked Witch" with "saddlebag hips", "legs like Popeye's trousers" and "fat ankles".

I tried. I tried really hard to find the satire. I pored over every page. There are, after all, far right-wingers who are capable of being funny: Ann Coulter; Kelvin MacKenzie; even Jean-Marie Le Pen can raise a chuckle as he calls for monstrosities. But as you browse through this random collection, the stale air is almost choking. Littlejohn is dependent on the same catchphrases he created 20 years ago ("You couldn't make it up!" "Mind how you go!").

Here's a typical example of his comedy. He imagines Kimberly Quinn - David Blunkett's former lover - singing: "I haven't slept all night/I haven't slept all night/I don't know what to do./ I know I'm looking rough,/That's cos I'm up the duff./The baby's father's you." His observations about politicians (for example, saying that Gordon Brown has a "kiddie-fiddler grin") aren't satire; they are primary school playground abuse.

There is, however, a core to Littlejohn's humour, to which he returns on almost every page: homosexuality. He obsessively talks about cottaging, lubricants, 69ers - every tiny detail of gay sex is smeared across the pages. He quotes long exchanges from Gaydar involving the MP Chris Bryant ("I could do with a good f***"), and says Peter Mandelson lives on "the Rue Des Jeunes Hommes" (because gays like young boys - geddit?). I think about gay sex much less than Richard Littlejohn - and I am gay.

Every problem circles back to sodomy in his mind, as he panics: "Soon we'll have gay men going door to door, like Jehovah's Witnesses, trying to convince us to convert." This isn't bigotry. It's a psychiatric disorder. Yet he claims that "the fascist left" are "smearing" him as a bigot. His technique is to make an unambiguously bigoted statement, and then say it has "nothing to do" with bigotry. For instance, he says that in Britain, under "the Blair Terror", "Entire neighbourhoods have been ethnically cleansed - and it's the English who are getting out of town." Then he says - without missing a beat - "But as I keep stressing, this is not about race." I see . . . it's "ethnic cleansing", but it's "not about race". Perhaps somebody should send Littlejohn a dictionary.

If Littlejohn's work has little value as satire, how does it stand up as political commentary? Its main flaw is that he has a worrying tendency to get his facts wrong. To give just one example (I could fill an entire issue of the NS with them), he declares that asylum-seekers get cash benefits "starting at £180 a week". In reality, when the article containing this claim was written, in 2000, asylum-seekers received cash benefits of nothing as they were all given in vouchers. Today they receive £43, less than a quarter of the sum Littlejohn invented.

His arguments crumble even before the sentences end. He claims that two million people leave Britain every year because they are appalled by "mass immigration". So people are so appalled at being forced to live among foreigners that they are . . . going to live among foreigners.

Littlejohn's Britain doesn't exist. Literally. He spends much of the year writing from a gated mansion in Florida, and admitted in a recent column that, when he is in Britain, he rarely leaves the house. He is describing a country he sees only through the pages of the right-wing press and his self-reinforcing mailbag. The cumulative effect of poring through more than 300 pages of this isn't to make the reader feel angry, or indignant, or offended. It is to feel pity for a sad, lonely little man, howling at a world that exists only in his own pornographic imagination. You couldn't make it up? Richard Littlejohn does - every time he writes.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 07:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Unfortunately, Johann Hari.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeh i know that's what made me laugh. the article is funny cos y know littlejohn but also cos i find hari's tone unintentionally amusing. like last week he was attacking ziziek and declaring postmodernism useless and evil.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think about gay sex much less than Richard Littlejohn - and I am gay.

This is a pretty great zing, Hari or no.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

otm, i find him quite irritating (hari that is - i try not to think about littlejohn) but that made me chuckle.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That article was published in the future. Did it have the racing results as well?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i dunno you go take a look at the stuff kingfish posts and littlejohn seems kinda risible. there's a sort of lack of real conviction, the american right wing pundits have scary evangelical zeal whilst british ones just have ugly middle english resentment.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I always think the British stuff has a sort of pathetic street corner ranting crazy guy aspect to it, whereas the American stuff comes from more of a dominant position and is thus scarier/more depressing.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well thats kinda what i was trying to get at before, theres a feeling that the british ones dont really believe what they are writing, other than in a kind of "pfft" middle aged white man 'its not even music' type feeling of being pecked at

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

actually thats kind of it, all brit rightwing journos all seem kind of, well, HENPECKED.

and that they are really writing displaced barbs about their wives

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wives who probably have a spanish lover

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

littlejohn is kinda like an uncle who thinks it's funny to declare whn you mention that yr going to brighton: "you better watch out going there it's full of gay"
the american pundits are more like a lynch mob.
though the right wing press were a lot scarier a few years back when asylum seekers and peediefiles where all over the shop. i mean they were stirring up actual, real mobs back then.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Did that thing with the lynch mob attacking the paediatrician's house actually, really happen? I mean, it was reported, but every now and then I remember it and think nah, that's an urban myth, or it's been heavily embellished, at least. Probably wishful thinking.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

heavily embellished is correct: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4719364.stm

ledge, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ah yeah, just read that. Sad to see the citizens of the noted international centre of commerce Portsmouth being unfairly labeled as monobrowed doctor-bashers.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeh i seem to remember seeing the pictures, they'd thrown paint at the gold plaque outside the surgery. i love the idea that peedumfilez would advertize themselves in such a manner. i remember looking at the NOTW that sunday they printed the name of EVERY PEED IN BRITIAN and just thinking; "this is a really, really bad thing to do".

i think it's a nice thing that the kaiser chiefs have come up with a stinging response 7 years later. maybe they'll tackle the miners strike on their next lp.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i remember looking at the NOTW that sunday they printed the name of EVERY PEED IN BRITIAN and just thinking; "this is a really, really bad thing to do".

I feel like you should say this on an I Love 2000 type program.

What was the Kaiser response called? I made passing reference to lynching a paediatrician in an aborted song once.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

littlejohn likes the word "poovery", i recall. one article i read by him used it about three times.

Frogman Henry, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their last album was called "Yours Truly Angry Mob". i have not heard it but a review i read indicated that it was very much about that period. i think some people have thrown the "hating on the working class" criticism at them.

talking I Love 2000, remember the FUEL CRISIS? them truckers blockading shit cos of tax or something. crazy times.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Was 'poovery' invented by Private Eye or does it predate that?

DJ Mencap, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think the hating working class accusation at KC is incorrect btw

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure ILM managed about 700 posts on that in 2005

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

not all working class people wear tracksuits and attack you as you get in a taxi etc.

blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

for reference: http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=45386

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Good blimey, is it time for the 2000 revival time already? Remember those lovable ruffians Daphne and Celeste? Lucy Porter COMEDIAN does!

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really wanna buy a Brideshead Revisted style blazer, but KCs have ruined that look for fat guys.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thing is they did I Love 1999 in 2001. wherein people talked in the past tense about such lost pleasures as buying a vodka red bull. i think that was on the weekend or so after 9/11.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lesbian parents: Our sons don't need a dad
Anna Lloyd and Jane Harvey could be any middle-class mothers strolling with their sons in their local park. But behind their everyday appearance lies a story of a highly unconventional family - for they are lesbian partners.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 20:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well thats kinda what i was trying to get at before, theres a feeling that the british ones dont really believe what they are writing, other than in a kind of "pfft" middle aged white man 'its not even music' type feeling of being pecked at
-- 696, Friday, May 18, 2007 9:25 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

otm. i think they do what they do as a 'job' -- house style and all that -- not a mission.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 18 May 2007 20:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

melanie phillips is fucking insane thou

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah i was saying elsewhere: she really does mean it. but that's ex-lefties for ya.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and i imagine boris johnson means it.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also remember the crazy ronhaldino bottle opener thread, the general upshot of which seemed to be "lol britishers don't understand racism", i was wondering if british right wing pundits can possibly get away with more dodgy racial stuff than americans can.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Conservatives appoint ex-tabloid editor

LONDON (Reuters) - Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson, who quit in the wake of a royal phone-tapping scandal, has been appointed the Conservatives' director of communications, the party announced on Thursday.

He stepped down from Rupert Murdoch's tabloid, Britain's biggest selling newspaper, after its royal affairs editor admitted having plotted to intercept phone messages left for royal aides.

The 39-year-old, who previously edited The Sun newspaper's Bizarre gossip column, will take up his new job as director of communications and planning on July 9. He said he was "delighted" to be joining David Cameron's team.

The party leader said: "Andy is a hugely experienced journalist. He will make a formidable contribution as a senior member of my team in building the most effective strategy and operation to win the next general election."

Coulson was regarded as a high-flier in Murdoch's newspaper empire before his resignation in January.

The former Royal Editor, Clive Goodman, was jailed for four months for listening to mobile voice mail messages left for the press secretary of Prince Charles and two officials who worked for Princes William and Harry.

Coulson was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Press Complaints Commission, which said neither he, nor anyone else at the paper, was aware of Goodman's illegal activities.

acrobat, Thursday, 31 May 2007 20:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Coming soon

http://i2.digiguide.com/up//1184007600000-609038-TheWaronBritainsJews-1183392030569.jpg

The War on Britain's Jews?The War on Britain's Jews?
C4 Mon 9 July 2007, 8pm
Richard Littlejohn argues that antisemitism, once the preserve of the extreme right, now has a foothold among other sections of society.

acrobat, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 20:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha -- i saw the trailer, and i was all 'welcome to 2002', and then it said PRESENTED BY RICHARD LITTLEJOHN!!! and i was all "DELETE CHANNEL 4".

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 20:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Littlejohn:anti-semitism::K-Punk:class war

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 08:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you couldn't make it up. i was so angry i put my foot through a yamulkah and sent the bill to ken livingstone.

acrobat, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 08:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Trust Littlejohn to take a stand against bigotry.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 08:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What if the Jew was also a prostitute though, huh? DILEMMA FOR LILJON

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 08:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i wish i'd seen it, kind of.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 08:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Was he sporting any Spurs merch?

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 09:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"women who worked as Jews, and also prostitutes"

That mong guy that's shit, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 09:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

For the first ten minutes all he said was "You've got an ology, you're a scientist!"

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 09:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i saw it, it didn't seem too bad altho the biggest issue of where criticism of Israel becomes anti-semitism wasn't nailed (un-nailable perhaps).

the footage of the MPAC (or whatever they were called) dude goading the Labour woman after she lost her seat was extraordinary.

blueski, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, that might explain this...
http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/3837/34/

I watched a bit but really his tone is unbearable.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'non-violent Jihad' has made my day already.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 12:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Thing was itv had an indepth expose of SKINS PARTIES on at exactly the same time. Apprently teenagers are using "MYSPACES" to advertise house parties leading to "DRUG CRAZED VANDAL GATECRASHERS". The best thing was all teh reconstructions. Kinda like the trailers for Skins as reimagined by 999 Lifesavers.

acrobat, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 14:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Apropos of nothing, here's hoping James Delingpole gets clawed by a polar bear.

And also that's he's got Google Alerts set up for his name, and that he reads this, the silly troll.

James Mitchell, Monday, 22 March 2010 22:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

ooh having been reading the Standard recently, smh @ matthew d'ancona, ffs @ sam leith and LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ sarah sands

LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 March 2010 22:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

liz jones II: quicksands of destiny

LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 March 2010 22:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

they're all ex telegraph xp

nakhchivan, Monday, 22 March 2010 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

then there's bright and bubbly probably-quite-liberal new face of london journalism rosamund urwin, who went to westminster school and probably rode that for all it was worth to get a media career

loooool nah well done her, she's not the worst

sarah sands actually made me cry with laughter recently though. awesome levels of batshit.

LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 March 2010 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

does anyone pay attention to these dismal hacks anyway

srsly try using her name as yr display name for three weeks and it will be top 5 in her google results

nakhchivan, Monday, 22 March 2010 23:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's the way dom passantino would have wanted it ;_;

i think i'll just mention sarah sands a lot on this thread. sarah sands is a hilarious chip-on-shoulder tory who can't construct an argument without coming across as laughable! sarah sands attempted to eke out her own edifice of influence upon the london print media and ended up discarded at the bottom of a thousand empty rail carriages! sarah sands!

LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 March 2010 23:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

James Delingpole cuts such a ridiculous figure that if I didn't know better I would assume he was a work of satire. Still, every time I see him I'm comfoted by the fact that even I could beat him up.

Matt DC, Monday, 22 March 2010 23:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

He's such a parody that he must have Chris Morris' hand up his bum.

James Mitchell, Monday, 22 March 2010 23:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Sands clings desperately to 'her' surname despite being married to Julian Sands for approximately five seconds. I don't think the shoulder-chip is Tory but it is still living in the '80s.

ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 22 March 2010 23:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^^at times like this, suzy proves her worth ;)

NOW DO D'ANCONA.

LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 March 2010 23:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

hahahahahahaha Sarah Sands reduced me to hysterics again last week

basically the old bat had withdrawn cash from an oxford st atm and then walked off without the cash, turned to see a woman fleeing into the crowd and the cash gone

ok at this point lol you got played

but then mad sands decides to play her ZING HAND - as the police hadn't been interested (lol) she has a proposal for whoever owns the CCTV footage (lolololol): give it to her and she'll put it on Youtube to *publicly shame* the opportunist

you heard that right, it'll be on youtube where everyone can point and laugh at the swift work of a passer-by, and take the side of a wronged batshit harridan. oh wait

lllljjjj (acoleuthic), Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

OMG @ Delingpole on the Alex Jones show. Spoiler: his views on the NHS make Daniel Hannan sound sane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3HW3lztKc

He's a proper "one world government" fruitloop, too.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 11 April 2010 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Unless he's just on a wind-up, of course.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 11 April 2010 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

He's a proper "one world government" fruitloop, too.

did not realize he'd turned trot...

alpha zingdog (history mayne), Sunday, 11 April 2010 20:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

king wolfowitz in reverse

nakhchivan, Sunday, 11 April 2010 20:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

LOL Delingpole wot a legernd

Some of my best friends are gay — but now I can go one better than that: one of them is HIV positive. ‘But that’s brilliant news!’ I told my friend when he spilled the beans the other day. ‘Now I can go round claiming victim cred by association. And if anyone makes an Aids joke I can be, like, seriously offended and put on a solemn voice and say: “Actually, you know, if you had an HIV positive friend like I do...”.’ My friend agreed that being HIV positive was a very handy thing to be, in this respect. But on further consideration, we decided it would have carried more victim cred weight in the days before anti-retroviral drugs when a) it was a death sentence; and b) being gay won you many more oppressed-minority brownie points.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/all/5911923/most-gay-men-have-realised-that-the-oppressed-victimhood-party-is-totally-over.thtml

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 16:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

iirc delingpole is against the nhs? good luck obtaining anti-retroviral drugs without it (unless, of course, as delingpole's friend probably is, given delingpole's sub-wauvian nob-worship, and assuming he exists, you're rich).

Norway, that's where I'm a viking! (history mayne), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 16:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Delingpole really does have a knack for making the red mist descend. His trolling lunacy aside, he's just a bad fucking writer and his attempts at humour are embarrassing. If he didn't peddle this epater-les-libtards bullshit he wouldn't get any work at all.

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 17:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I kinda understand why Liz Jones is Liz Jones now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-398998/How-feminism-destroyed-real-men.html

holy. freaking. shit.

she vajazzled....and forgot! (acoleuthic), Saturday, 31 July 2010 00:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

All western women need to spend a few months living in the middle east or south America to see how well they have things in the west.

- Graham, London UK, 04/8/2006 12:37

the crucible of easily debunked e-mail fwds (stevie), Saturday, 31 July 2010 08:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

The female orgasm is the natural mechanism by which men assert dominion over women: a man who appreciates this can negotiate whatever difficulties arise in his relationships with them.

Last Christmas, my wife threw me out after discovering I'd been cheating on her. On the night we got back together, I made strong, passionate love to her. Unfaithful as I'd been, I was not going to let her have me over a barrel for the rest of our marriage. I needed to keep a sense of self and not allow her to mire me in guilt and a desperate quest of forgiveness.

o_O to the max

ledge, Saturday, 31 July 2010 08:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

Nice to see Penthouse are still publishing letters

wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 08:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah I don't think it's group Liz w/the right-wing pundits, she's clearly far too schizophrenically demented to be closed down like that.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 31 July 2010 10:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

uh, fair to.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 31 July 2010 11:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

Amazing article... I'm forwarding it to my girlfriend right now.

- Jonathan, H-Town, USA, 3/8/2006 22:46

If anybody lives in H-Town could you run over to Jonathan's place and suggest that he not do this?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 31 July 2010 15:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

By the way, I note that this article is from 2006 and the couple broke up again a year later. For good? What is this guy up to now? Oh, this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1298569/Britain-need-make-apology-India-Empire-.html

"All that is best about India - its tolerance, freedom and engagement with the world - has flourished due to the structures and ideas it inherited from British rule."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 31 July 2010 15:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

He is a source of much amusement.
Honesty puts my ex-wife in a league of her own

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Saturday, 31 July 2010 18:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I deplore the decline in morals that allows a man liike this to be potential Prime Minister. Fifty years ago a scandal like this would have ruined him - and rightly so.

This is one more indication of the way this country has descended into the gutter.

Matt DC, Monday, 27 September 2010 14:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh god.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 27 September 2010 15:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

Possibly that one was a parody, much LOLs to be had by commenters noting Odone's Good Divorce Guide makes her just a peach of a commenter on this subject.

are you robot? (suzy), Monday, 27 September 2010 15:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Godwin's law in action:

I'm sorry but I don't understand how people think this is not a matter of issue.

For me everything stems from a person's beliefs and their commitment to them - ideas underpin all actions.

To take an extreme position: do we think Hitler's internal thoughts about the Jews were broadly rosy or dark and sinister? The industrial death camps were imagined somewhere and the nihilistic morality which justified it was the product West European professors.

Our country is on a destructive spiral downwards because the fundamental beliefs of the people are steadily declining. People are less wholesome, less moral, less humble and less - for want of a better word- spiritual.

I think there is a blatant link between increasing dissatisfaction with our own lives and our country with ideas and beliefs which are ever increasingly: impure, selfish, proud and material.

So how a person behaves, the choices they make - is a product of their fundamental beliefs and morality.

So for me a guy who denigrates by his actions marriage or thinks its ok to get women pregnant and offer them little more than hope is not a man I would consider moral or trustworthy and by extrapolation worthy of high office!

I’d rather people strived to be good and fail occasionally than not even bother in the first place.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 27 September 2010 15:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp yeah although one of them goes on to boldly say

Just another example of how awful women can be and why feminism and lesbian feminism have been among the most [self-] destructive movements in recent decades.

acoleuthic, Monday, 27 September 2010 16:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

My internal thoughts about Cristina Odone are dark and sinister. Soz.

dociah t. azzahole (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 September 2010 16:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Above commenter showing Godwin's Law in action is obviously Roger Scruton.

Neil S, Monday, 27 September 2010 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

I spend so much time getting agitated about Guardian commenters that I forget how vicious and loopy the Telegraph ones can be. There's a rump constituency of immigrant-hating, climate-change-denying, Miliband-is-a-Marxist wingnuts on there, and a lot of the talking points are coming from the US right. It actually makes me miss the clueless Colonel Bufton-Tuftons of old.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 27 September 2010 16:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

didn't read the whole thing but the kiss-off is really something

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

Tags: Bilderberg, global cooling, new world order, Nuremberg

RIP telegraph

joe, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

srsly

wow

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

Re: Global warming Nuremburg

I hear book burnings are quite good for this.

A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

But that post can't be egregious bollocks, because as the heading to his blog says "James Delingpole is a writer, journalist and broadcaster who is right about everything."

Neil S, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

:D

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 00:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I don't believe many of his views are sincerely held, or that he has thought deeply about AGW or 'working-class comedy' (harking back to this morning’s nonsense on R4).

Uh, working class comedy?

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Monday, 24 January 2011 12:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

the mail on sunday was manufacturing outrage over a bbc controller saying they should have more shows in working class settings. allo, allo creator blamed that for his latest not getting commissioned.

lol @ this linked in the comments:

http://globalwarmingsuperheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/james-delingpole.jpg

joe, Monday, 24 January 2011 12:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

allo, allo creator blamed that for his latest not getting commissioned

... surely not Jeremy Lloyd!

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Monday, 24 January 2011 12:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

It was a discussion on Today about whether BBC comedy was too middle class. Delingpole had no useful opinions and just took the opportunity to witter on about the license fee and Hampstead liberal elites as per fucking usual.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 24 January 2011 12:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Lollingpole, , advocating setting the people free by not only headquartering businesses in low-tax countries, forcing employees to drop their union memberships and ordering staff to take unreasonable paycuts, but by providing a shitty service and ignoring competition and advertising laws:

One of the greatest advances for personal freedom in the last twenty years was the rise of the low cost airline. Suddenly, thanks to Ryanair, Easyjet and their many imitators, European travel was transformed from the rare luxury of the few into something almost everyone could enjoy, often two or three times a year.

[...]

One of the key tenets of Conservatism is a desire to set people free: free of the shackles of the state, free to forge their own destiny, free to spend their money on as many exciting new opportunities as a burgeoning market is prepared to offer them.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100082238/the-ideological-rot-that-is-destroying-english-conservatism/

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 April 2011 09:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

The ideological rot that is destroying English conservatism

lively and fuiud (Pashmina), Sunday, 3 April 2011 10:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

otm pash

Republicans voiced concern about young pages hearing the word uterus (stevie), Sunday, 3 April 2011 11:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

N IS FOR… NIGGER

Perfectly acceptable, nay, compulsory if you are a rapper; no longer so if you are Guy Gibson in The Dam Busters (when the 1955 film is shown now, his faithful black dog’s unfortunate name is often bleeped out). Nor even if you are Huckleberry Finn: in a new version of his Adventures, the offending word – used in Mark Twain’s 1884 classic 217 times – was replaced by “slave”.

Delingpole's A to Z of political correctness. Nice to see they're actually printing his crap in the paper itself now.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 15 May 2011 07:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

(when the 1955 film is shown now, his faithful black dog’s unfortunate name is often bleeped out)

probably no surprise to anyone that this isn't true

wish we could put delingpole in a sack and throw him in a river...d is for 'drowning'

Romford Spring (DG), Sunday, 15 May 2011 09:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Blogs

Damian Thompson
Benedict Brogan
Norman Tebbit
Toby Young
James Delingpole

no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Sunday, 15 May 2011 10:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfyy_qMg2o

William Bloody Swygart, Sunday, 15 May 2011 10:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Y IS FOR… YOOFS
Who, thanks to our failing education system's "all shall have prizes" ethos, believe that the world owes them not only a living but also three taxpayer-subsidised years of rutting and drug-taking at university. Tell them it is unaffordable, and they riot around the Cenotaph. This is the generation whose parents were too caring to say "no".

Poor James Delingpole, denied so many opportunities, told "no" so often by his parents :(

It is now many years since I last thought meanly of myself for not having been elected a member of the Buller. But looking at those pictures in the papers this week of Dave Cameron, Boris Johnson and the rest of the '87 gang preening and pouting in full Buller rig did bring it all flooding back to me: the shame, the humiliation and the abject misery I felt the day I realised that I would never be smart, rich, titled, decadent or popular enough to be elected a member of the world's best university's smartest dining society.

Quite.

russ conway's game of life (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 15 May 2011 10:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

It is now many years MILLISECONDS since I last thought meanly of myself for not having been elected a member of the Buller. But looking at those pictures in the papers this week of Dave Cameron, Boris Johnson and the rest of the '87 gang preening and pouting in full Buller rig did bring it all flooding back to me: the shame, the humiliation and the abject misery I felt the day I realised that I would never be smart, rich, titled, decadent or popular enough to be elected a member of the world's best university's smartest dining society.

Fixed.

that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Sunday, 15 May 2011 11:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

take it to TMI please people

Neil S, Sunday, 15 May 2011 11:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Amazing insight from the Adam Smith Institute:

In most coffee shops these days, you'll find that the small, medium, and large coffee cups all use the same size lid now, whereas even five years ago they used to have different size lids for the different cups. That small change in the geometry of the cups means that somebody can save a little time in setting up the coffee shop, preparing the cups, getting your coffee, and getting out. Millions of little discoveries like that, combined with some very big discoveries, like the electric motor and antibiotics, have made the quality of life for people today dramatically higher than it was 100 years ago.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/misc/one-small-step-for-starbucks.../

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

And it's people being paid a good living wage to notice and write about these little changes that keeps the world turning...

The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

and, of course, an indenture in the head of the person who designed the cups in the first place for not thinking of it from the off.

Mark G, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

That A-Z of Political Correctness and the comments that follow is just beyond belief. Thing is, the people who bang on about PC the most are the rightwingers - lefties really don't give that much of a monkeys about it.

The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

And it doesn’t just happen on this issue but on so many others too. Consider how, for example, the left-liberal bully mob exploited the story about the snogging gay couple turned away from a London pub, or the one about the other gay couple who – quite by accident I’m sure – booked themselves into a Cornish hotel run by ardent Christians who insisted rooms should be shared by married couples only. In both those cases important issues of genuine concern to the wellbeing of our country – how far should minority “rights” be allowed to trump property rights and freedom of choice, for example? – were drowned in a sea of Twitterish name-calling. Anyone who tried putting the counterargument – even someone like me with almost as many gay friends as straight ones – was blithely written off as a homophobe.

This is the kind of moral and intellectual decadence that is leading once free and prosperous nations like Britain and the US into decline and ultimately towards ruination. And what’s really depressing is just how few people are aware of it, let alone fighting it. For example, I noticed several self-described conservatives in the comments below parading just how offended they too were by the NoW’s underhand techniques. Well, yes. Duh! Everyone was, you blithering idiots (except maybe the tabloid hacks and private investigators who were doing of it).

But here’s the thing, while the liberal-left (and its useful idiots on the alleged right, I fear) are busy demonstrating to the world how caring and nice they are, really bad dangerous things are being done in the name of caringness and niceness. I think of the environmental and economic damage which is being done behind a cloak of ecological virtue. [For myriad examples see my new book Watermelons] I think of the suicidal deficit which is being stoked for fear of offending public service workers (who, as we know, are so much more caring and nice and altruistic than anyone in the productive sector of the economy). I think of the freedoms which are being taken away and the unfairnesses codified and the further suicide bombings being invited in the name of being nice and caring to various minorities. I think of the jobs that are being lost and the recovery delayed by a government too scared to lower the tax rate lest it be thought insufficiently caring and nice towards the deserving poor.

Tags: cant, closing down the argument, David Hughes, homophobe, liberal-left, News of the World, raaaacist, Rupert Murdoch, sanctimoniousness, Toby Young

James Mitchell, Monday, 11 July 2011 08:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Those minorities with their crazy “rights”.

that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 11 July 2011 09:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

"some of my best friends are of the homosexual persuasion"

Neil S, Monday, 11 July 2011 09:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

[For myriad examples see my new book Watermelons, self-published via Amazon's Kindle because no fucker will publish a whole book of my badly-written anti-science bullshit]

James Mitchell, Monday, 11 July 2011 09:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Usually a sounds like a smug troll trying to wind up the left but here he sounds like a bona fide, frothing, Glenn Beckian maniac.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Monday, 11 July 2011 09:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Tags: Kuznets curve, Limits to growth, more dangerous than Al Qaeda, new world order, rationing, Rob Vos, United Nations, Watermelons, World Economic and Social Survey 2011

All this talk of watermelons is making me feel hungry!

Neil S, Monday, 11 July 2011 10:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

'raaaacist'

^^ ok so this is some sub taking the piss out of dely p, right?

do the hypnic jerk (c sharp major), Monday, 11 July 2011 10:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I worry about him - as DL says he seems to be moving into real crazy territory. He's even having a go at his supporters in the first one.

that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 11 July 2011 10:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

worry about him in the sense that maybe he won't die in the next 6 months?

Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 10:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

the one about the other gay couple who – quite by accident I’m sure – booked themselves into a Cornish hotel run by ardent Christians who insisted rooms should be shared by married couples only

is this sarcastic? really? like there is a dastardly plot in which of course they interrogated the capacity for bigotry of the hoteliers before they set-off?

Genre Fiction › Men's Adventure (schlump), Monday, 11 July 2011 11:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

There was actually a very balanced doc on Radio 4 a few months ago interviewing both the couple and the owners and discovering what happened and clearly it was an accident. But why check facts when you can insert parenthetical smears?

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Monday, 11 July 2011 11:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

i just didn't know that there was even an assumption that this was obviously or presumably a gay plot, you know.

Genre Fiction › Men's Adventure (schlump), Monday, 11 July 2011 12:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

right wing nutbars = everything's a plot

Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 12:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

= easy way to make a living.

sometimes all it takes is a healthy dose of continental indiepop (tomofthenest), Monday, 11 July 2011 12:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Twitterish name-calling"

positively clean dishes (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 11 July 2011 12:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Delingpole now has blood on his hands:

Although Breivik’s conspiracy theories are insane, they are in line with mainstream opinion among American conservatives. He cites Christopher Monckton’s speech before the Minnesota Free Market Institute in 2009, accusing President Obama of trying to cede United States sovereignty to the United Nations through climate treaties. Monckton — a rabid conspiracy theorist who claims his opponents are Nazis — was a Republican witness before Congress on global warming in 2010.

Breivik also believed that the “Climategate” hacking incident “revealed how top scientists conspired to falsify data in the face of declining global temperatures in order to prop up the premise that man-made factors are driving climate change.”

One of his sources for this delusional claim is right-wing climate conspiracy theorist James Delingpole, who regularly appears on Fox News, including Glenn Beck‘s now defunct show. The Norwegian terrorist also cited climate conspiracy blogger Steve McIntyre, who appeared in a one-hour Fox News special on global warming in 2009. McIntyre’s conspiracy theories have been promoted by Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK). Dozens of Republican members of Congress have endorsed the Climategate conspiracy theory.

http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/07/25/277564/norway-terrorist-is-a-global-warming-denier/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

well, not really. unless, like, herbert marcuse is to be held responsible for andreas baader.

only bad dog on the street (history mayne), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 18:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

lets dig up marcuses corpse and hold a synod!

max, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 18:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2025490/Somalia-famine-makes-mockery-world-I-come-from.html

"a pathetic attempt at pride"

just kidding old girl, you did good, just try to curb that ditzy matrician schtick once a bloody paragraph, you're not talking about nirpal now

once a week is ample, Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Could hardly bring myself to read past "This woman did what she had to do. If she allowed herself that ultimate Western accessory depression, then she would just lie down in the sand and die."

ailsa, Saturday, 13 August 2011 05:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's actually worse than the parody twitter account suggested it might be.

And at least that had the grace to turn out to be a charity stunt.

Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Saturday, 13 August 2011 08:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The knives are out for Herman Cain, as of course they would be. He's personable, he's clever, he's funny, he has a proven business track record, he's small government, he has original ideas, he's post-political, he'd make a way better US president than either Perry or Romney (let alone Obama). But most damningly of all, he's black.
Tags: Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, democrat, Gloria Allred, Herman Cain, sexual harrassment, Sharon Bialek, Thomas Sowell, Uncle Tom, uppity negro, US presidency

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

But the real loathing and resentment will come from the other side. Remember, it was the GOP which campaigned to end the slave trade, not the Democrats.

Delingpole: the Voice of 1865

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

"original ideas" such as insane tax reforms.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm sure it's quite possible that the allegations are true. Likely, even. As we know, politics attracts men who are addicted to power; power is aphrodisiacal. Cain would hardly be the first type A individual to make a flagrant pass at an attractive woman. Sure these things must be a huge pain to put up with if you're female. But the idea that such wearisomely routine alpha male behaviour ought to render a man unsuitable for high political office is naive in the extreme: Palmerston? Lloyd George? Bill Clinton?

pick-up/men's rights lingo getting mainstreamed is one of the hidden stories of the last few years imo

goole, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

this man's slow-but-painful death cannot come quickly enuff imho

The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point. (stevie), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

The fact that 21st century Telegraph bloggers are allowed to tag their posts with "uppity negro" for SEO purposes says something about the whole enterprise, although I'm not quite sure what.

The Telegraph: your top news source for all your uppity negro news.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol that's the only article with that tag

goole, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

‘Farage has only got one ball.’ The last time I made reference to the Ukip leader’s monotesticular status, I got a rocket from an outraged reader. But the reader had missed the point entirely. Nigel Farage’s handicap is a strength, not a weakness. He’s open about it, he’s unembarrassed by it and he’s a better man for it. Yes, Farage may have lost a bollock to cancer, but by God he’s got more cojones than almost any Conservative you could name.

Our Nigel is a Conservative himself, of course. Just one who has been temporarily dispossessed by the mainstream party. When you talk to Farage he’s perfectly upfront about what he considers to be Ukip’s role: to act as the Tory party’s conscience. The moment the Conservatives start behaving like proper Conservatives again — Eurosceptical, small government, low tax, etc — that’ll be it. Most of the 7 per cent of voters who are currently Ukip’s will be straight back into the Tory fold and we’ll have a proper, Thatcherite government again doing the Lord’s work.

Seven per cent! That figure — from the latest YouGov poll — is pretty amazing, isn’t it? It puts Ukip only one point away from the ailing Lib Dems, meaning it’s on track to become Britain’s third largest political party. Yet you’d scarcely be aware of this development, the way it has been ignored by most of our mainstream media.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/all/7378293/dont-expect-the-bbc-to-tell-you-but-ukip-is-on-the-march.thtml

James Mitchell, Thursday, 10 November 2011 10:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sensible policies for a better Britain.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 10 November 2011 11:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

We really need a James Delingpole slam thread but he is pretty much #1* on my list of terrible people who are likely to Google their own name and start posting.

*Johann Hari RIP.

Matt DC, Thursday, 10 November 2011 12:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

The moment the Conservatives start behaving like proper Conservatives again — Eurosceptical, small government, low tax, etc — that’ll be it. Most of the 7 per cent of voters who are currently Ukip’s will be straight back into the Tory fold and we’ll have a proper, Thatcherite government again doing the Lord’s work.

fuck me, where does one begin with this? proper Conservatives = Thatcherite? The current gov is not ultra-Thatcherite? Thatcherite government was small? Low taxes = poll tax?

glumdalclitch, Thursday, 10 November 2011 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's like he makes up everything on the spot without giving it any thought whatsoever!

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 10 November 2011 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Low taxes = poll tax?

When these guys say low taxes they only mean low taxes for themselves and their friends and family, and if you can come with a tax that is massively unfair to people poorer than them then all the better!

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 November 2011 12:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Rod Liddle had been officially cited for contempt of court after a piece in the Spectator describing the current Lawrence trial as a 'vindictive charade'.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Judge has referred it to the AG.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes, the "vindictive charade" of wishing to prosecute those who stand accused of a racist murder. PC gorn mad etc. etc.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/2QaIO.jpg

The Triumph of the Will High (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 November 2011 20:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Rod Liddle is being "fearless" again I see.

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

he writes what others are AFRAID to write (for fear of sounding like an idiot)

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Writes what others afraid to read morelikeamirite?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

he makes Littlejohn read like Swift.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Liddle is a member of the Labour Party"

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't think that prevents him from being right wing.

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's compulsory iirc

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

"rod liddle is visibly drinking himself to death"

dave cool it (stevie), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Must fancy a job at Forbes:

Does this mean, then, that Americans are conservative fuddy-duddies while we Brits are bold stylistic adventurers forever at the bleeding edge of trendiness? Up to a point. But the truth is, to paraphrase Stephen Fry, whatever sweeping generalisation you care to make about America, you’ll find the opposite is also true. For example, there’s no doubt that America was glacially slow to pick up on music’s most important development in the past 25 years: dance. In Britain – thanks to acid house and Balearic beats, which soon mutated into warehouse rave and so on – dance music was well under way by 1987. In America, it wasn’t till the mid-Nineties that repetitive beats had begun to penetrate the mainstream.

Part of America’s problem, perhaps, was grunge. The US felt so incredibly chuffed, apparently, to have invented Nirvana (and Pearl Jam and the rest) that it seemed determined to rest on its laurels and go on churning out bouncy, grinding guitar rock for all eternity. The fickle British music scene has never permitted such complacency, not least because of the intense competition between our cities. From Bristol came the dub-heavy trip-hop scene and drum and bass; from Manchester came the dance-rock crossover called Baggy, as well as Oasis; from London, we’ve had everything from the chirpy mockney of Britpop to dubstep. We invent more genres in a decade that the US has managed in its entire musical history.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/9140793/Sade-and-two-nations-divided-by-their-taste-in-music.html

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 05:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nothing more cutting edge than Britpop.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 06:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was lol when Delingpole was namechecking RJD2 in his column a while back

Sylv_ebanks (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

We invent more genres in a decade that the US has managed in its entire musical history.

Of course, because the only genres the US has invented are Dixieland and grunge.

rain came down like water falling from the clouds (snoball), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 09:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

On similar note in today's Telegraph (the printed version, not the website they let Delingpole drool all over):

Eager to endear himself to young voters, Gordon Brown professed himself to be an unlikely fan of the Arctic Monkeys. David Cameron is, however, unlikely to provoke any cruel titters with his more believable choice: Whiskey in the Jar by Thin Lizzy.

“It has one of the best guitar riffs in the history of rock music,” the Prime Minister says, demonstrating some knowledge of the music in question. “I have it on i-tunes or play it when needing a lift.”

Proving that he is a genuinely groovy guy, Cameron is backing Rock the House, a parliamentary music competition founded by my old friend Mike Weatherley.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 09:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jeez, I thought that Gordon Brown being an Arctic Monkeys fan was debunked a long time ago. Still it's best not to let the facts get in the way.

fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 09:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

“We live in an increasingly godless society, where Christians are marginalised, sacked and even prosecuted for upholding their beliefs, yet we are urged to ‘Pray 4 Muamba’” sighed Richard Littlejohn of The Daily Mail. “With a dwindling number of people attending church, millions have taken to worshipping footballers and celebrities instead. In the words of G. K. Chesterton: ‘When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing – they believe in anything.’”

otm, man. otm.

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

pray 4 muamba not pray 2 muamba, surely?

brokering (pimping) (stevie), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

God I'm sick of that Chesterton quote.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

i believe he added 2+2 together, not an uncommon littlejohn trait- tho i understand that it's quite unusual for him not to get 5

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Daily Mail, well known for its lofty disdain for footballers and celebrities.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

hang on is Littlejohn claiming to be a christian? cos i have questions

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

shoot

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

piers morgan claims to be a christian too so i guess anything is possible

caek, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

if christ were alive today he would smite young black millionaires too, i guess, i dunno

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

He'd put a stop to all this 'compassionate lefty' business, fako!

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

God I'm sick of that Chesterton quote.

Have it in my head it's a fake or messed-up one? Could be wrong, cba checking – it does have that authentic Chesterton "a-ha" quality that gets up my nose, esp when he does it four times in a paragraph.

woof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

believing in 'anything' isn't qualitatively different from believing in god, at least some of the 'anything' might be true

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

well said, Fizzles -- the Chesterton line, real or not, is an irritating smug thing that people say but that is not apparently true.

I have never believed in a god, and I don't believe in 'anything' either, supposing that 'anything' here might mean, say (as I think it does when people spout that line): mysticism, tarot, astrology, alternative medicine and other 'superstitions', or even supposing it means (eg) worshipping the royal family or celebrities.

and the same probably goes for most atheists.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

ts: "I believe in nothing" vs "I don't believe in nothing"

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSpCXUhp2uA

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wikiquote agrees with you: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Misattributed

That Littlejohn quote is nuts - as Stevie says, it's praying FOR Muamba, not TO him. I mean, I have problems with the fact that people are suggesting prayers instead of, you know, trained medical assistance, but FFS Littlejohn, you are an ass.

xposts - and yes, the falsely attributed quote is stupid anyway, it's not even attempting to make its conclusion follow logically on from its premises, it's just a piece of dogma.

emil.y, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

xps (ty emil.y)

turns out i could be arsed. Not Chesterton, but a critic's paraphrase of this from one of his Father Brown stories:

‘It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense and can’t see things as they are. Anything that anybody talks about, and says there’s a good deal in it, extends itself indefinitely like a vista in a nightmare. And a dog is an omen, and a cat is a mystery, and a pig is a mascot, and a beetle is a scarab, calling up all the menagerie of polytheism from Egypt and old India; Dog Anubis and great green-eyed Pasht and all the holy howling Bulls of Bashan; reeling back to the bestial gods of the beginning, escaping into elephants and snakes and crocodiles; and all because you are frightened of four words: ‘He was made Man’.’

Less snappy that.

woof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

‘He was made Man’.’

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/wp-content/uploads/joe_pesci-237x300.jpg

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, he was not made man, that was problem

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense and can’t see things as they are

amazing, tbh

less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

what a daft, virtually incomprehensible quotation

the lameness and falsehood of it curiously seems to undermine the 'believe in anything' BS even more than I thought it had already been undermined.

d-Mac correct also.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

not to be Cap'n Save-a-Chesterton but i wonder to what extent the outspoken antichristians of his era were on a theosophical tip, you could argue he's tilting at the New Age tendency of redirected faith rather than yr cold hard logical atheists. either way polytheism is way more fun and fulfilling than monotheism, obv

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

not believing in one thing != being willing to believe in anything. Even Littlejohn should be able to understand that. It's like he doesn't actually believe what he writes, and simply does it for the large wads of cash and to provoke a reaction.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

re. Chesterton, he was a fervent Cathlic wasn't he. I would suspect he'd have had problems with any non-Catholic forms of Christianity, let alone Theosophy etc.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chesterton was a convert iirc which is worse, even. but the Father Brown doesn't feel aimed at atheism in toto

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Man Who Was Thursday is not too keen on "anarchists", and can allegedly be seen as a Christian allegory. As much about the politics of the Edwardian age as religion, though.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Man Who Was Thursday was pre-conversion iirc? And the Father Brown stories, esp the first two volumes are really good. I'm a fan! I ever quite like his Apologetic book on converting to Catholicism, Orthodoxy. But that 'a-ha!' quality woof mentioned is f'ing annoying - esp. in his journalistic essays, where it's almost a tic.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i like Chesterton's work which is why it feels unfair comparing him to Littlejohn because i'm pretty sure GKC was, at the least, sincere.

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's one thing banging out outrageous opinions for money but if Liljon has read literally anything at all about this and concluded that 'pray 4 Muamba' means that people are treating him as some sort of deity then I can't even

Cantera: Vulgar Display Of Puyol (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost - And yes, NV otm about the tilting at redirected faith against theosophical and New Age stuff, or, say, faith in lie-detecting machines or that violent books make children violent - he's a good defender of the metaphysical against obtuse materialism.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

xps

yeah, he came quite a long way round. Think the family was unitarian, so v familiar with a rational sort of christianity, off the rails for a while then Anglican for a long time, then rome.

in the story he's talking to a young 'heathen humanitarian', & just preceeding the bit quoted there's a line about 'It’s drowning all your old rationalism and scepticism, it’s coming in like a sea; and the name of it is superstition.' So I think he thinks spiritualism/theosophy – 'arbitrary without being authoritative' to quote the story again – is a necessary consequence of unCatholicism/rationalism?

modern right-wing pundits - suspect Damian Thompson's attacks on pseudo-science something like a modern equivalent to this?

woof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry 'spiritualism/theosophy & superstition generally'

woof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Hanging is too good for him IMO
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18350615

Arvo Pärt Chimp (Neil S), Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:36 (six years ago) Permalink

pretty sure I'll experience acute and genuine pleasure when Rod Liddle dies just fyi

geezargh butlargh (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 June 2012 13:28 (six years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Next-level:

http://melaniephillips.com/america-goes-into-the-darkness

Neil S, Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Iran can now be sure that it will be able to complete its infernal construction of a genocide bomb to use against the Jews and the west

A GENOCIDE BOMB

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:24 (six years ago) Permalink

The World Turned Upside Down
By Melanie Phillips.
Now in paperback with a new foreword by David Mamet

woof, Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:25 (six years ago) Permalink

do not want

Neil S, Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:26 (six years ago) Permalink

It was Christianity and the Hebrew Bible that gave us our concepts of reason, progress and an orderly world

(citation needed)

Dog the Puffin Hunter (ledge), Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:27 (six years ago) Permalink

I read that whole thing in the voice of Geoff Workman.

how's life, Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:30 (six years ago) Permalink

tbf to Melanie it was Christians who destroyed the library at Alexandria so she may not have heard of classical Greece

movember spawned a nobster (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:32 (six years ago) Permalink

i'll admit i'm down with the great blood-letting, not metaphorically tho

movember spawned a nobster (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:33 (six years ago) Permalink

if the blood-letting involves those who take the Dacre shilling, I'm all for it too.

Neil S, Thursday, 8 November 2012 14:38 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

jfc liddle

leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 June 2014 09:31 (four years ago) Permalink

bad form to drop my mask on ilx but jfc liddle

leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 June 2014 09:35 (four years ago) Permalink

He's vile

What rodent would you say he most resembles physically

Knob Dicks (wins), Sunday, 22 June 2014 09:39 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't feel all that strongly about most rodents and he's far too fatfaced and smug looking to pass for a rat so idk

leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 June 2014 09:44 (four years ago) Permalink

What mask? Always been a confirmed omnisceptic - a thoroughly defensible position

avicii usque ad arse (imago), Sunday, 22 June 2014 10:03 (four years ago) Permalink

only if you knew my backstory tbh but this is about the breathtaking rod liddle

leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 June 2014 10:14 (four years ago) Permalink

link

avicii usque ad arse (imago), Sunday, 22 June 2014 11:45 (four years ago) Permalink

sorry I was scoring goals ffs

today's Sunday times he outlines why he's supporting Netherlands by don't of insulting all the other countries in his own inimitable way

leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 June 2014 12:28 (four years ago) Permalink

by dint predictive text is a terrible man

leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 June 2014 12:29 (four years ago) Permalink

i took a look in that freebie of the Sun that they put out last week

the editorial said some guff about "loving your country used to be thought of as racist but not any more"

then every other page was full of snide little digs at other countries including a whole column of Liddle doing his "jungle starts at Calais" shtick

fuck every last one of them imo

Kevin from Blechgium (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 June 2014 15:17 (four years ago) Permalink

There was some p. amazing trolling in that free Sun column, like a bit in the middle about "oh hey I'm just gonna use the words Britain and England interchangeably because that's what Britain is all about to me" just dropped in all casual-like

also a bit about how terrible it would be to live in Belgium, which distracted me from the rest of the article because I was too busy thinking "sounds p. good to me apart from the unpronounceable language"

anyway I was embarrassed that this got shoved through the doors of all the flats in this block as half of my neighbours are, y'know, not English

the ghosts of dead pom-bears (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 22 June 2014 18:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Dutch is closely related to English, or do you mean French?

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Sunday, 22 June 2014 21:17 (four years ago) Permalink

I wonder if they bothered to deliver their garbage a mile down the road from me where the racial presence is about 90% non-white? The usual Ron Liddle bile + unrealistic jingoist crap about crap england team. No doubt most of that worthless shit was being used to line cat-litter trays within minutes.

xelab, Sunday, 22 June 2014 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Why is it so many British Right Wing Pundits used to be Trotskyists?

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 09:12 (two years ago) Permalink

great piece

it's not a question of their ex politics so much as their upbringing I suspect

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 09:30 (two years ago) Permalink

I feel kind of sad about Dale Winton's unexpected heel turn. or had he shown inclinations of this sort on previous occasions, and they'd passed me by?

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dale-winton-donald-trump-is-he-hero-or-villain/

soref, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:32 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing a celeb of Winton's stature hasn't lived in the real world for a very very long time.

it's getting ott in here / so take off all your clothes (stevie), Thursday, 26 May 2016 08:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Some BRWPs and their Twitter clout

Milo Yiannopoulos: 234k (this has rocketed up from 60k or so within the last year but I get the impression he does go in for fake follower shenans)
-
Louise Mensch: 97k
Dan Hodges: 65.5k
Toby Young: 51.2k
-
James Delingpole: 28.3k
Melanie Philips: 23.7k
David Vance: 22k
Jon Gaunt: 19.8k
Sarah Vine: 13k (has duly quit Twitter)

nashwan, Thursday, 26 May 2016 09:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Are there any BRWPs who make their point with class and elegance? Apart from NRQ obv

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:03 (two years ago) Permalink

Oborne? Is he still alive?

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:07 (two years ago) Permalink

Yiannopoulos is US-centric these days? That might explain why he's 10 times more popular than, er, Melanie Phillips.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:08 (two years ago) Permalink

Oborne came out strongly against Goldsmith recently.

Parris is one of the more sensible ones, though presumably considered a bit wet, and Hitchens seems to be winning friends on both sides atm.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:11 (two years ago) Permalink

Hitchens was on R4 last night, talking about his SWP days and his path to enlightenment.

calzino, Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:17 (two years ago) Permalink

oh it's true, Oborne has written some fairly decent things in vague memory. i'm sure he's also said some horrid things too but that's the nature of it

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:17 (two years ago) Permalink

he seems to cleave to a sort of Peter Mannion-esque old-fashioned-Tory-decency shtick

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:18 (two years ago) Permalink

Extremely Mannionesque.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Hitchens seems to be winning friends on both sides atm.

He's insane though. I'm assuming he is not on Twitter.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:23 (two years ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah
28.7k followers

nashwan, Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:28 (two years ago) Permalink

Had to check who David Vance was, he's some piece of work that guy.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:32 (two years ago) Permalink

Lotta ironical lols when you GIS him though.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:33 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Had Peter Hitchens in my place of work earlier, very polite and decent fellow, on first impressions.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 18:33 (two years ago) Permalink

He's the absolute worst.

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 19:04 (two years ago) Permalink

just clicked that link to Hitchens' twitter feed, and saw this interchange (under his pinned tweet), ice cold:

Philip Redbrooke ‏@PK_Roe Jul 7
@ClarkeMicah hello sir, I am a young (ish) Tory activist in Herts. Would like to talk with you about Social Conservatism at a conv time. Ta

Peter Hitchens ‏@ClarkeMicah Jul 8
@PK_Roe I debate with readers on my archived, indexed blog.

Peter Hitchens ‏@ClarkeMicah Jul 8
@PK_Roe But if you are an activist in the Blairite Tory Party the only thing I have to say to you is 'resign now'

soref, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 21:53 (two years ago) Permalink

He's the absolute worst.

You'd think so, but he was very pleasant to deal with. Kwasi Kwarteng came in later, now he is a dick.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 22:04 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
nine months pass...

can't get over this photo of Peter Hitchens from 1969

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6f/55/6c/6f556cd56570db6384477dbc9e5a4226--interesting-history-peter-otoole.jpg

soref, Friday, 6 October 2017 10:34 (one year ago) Permalink

His campaign for real Conservatism, the crusade against cannabis and for the restoration of the death penalty. They were just little acorns of thought in his mind at this point.

calzino, Friday, 6 October 2017 10:49 (one year ago) Permalink

He makes me lol so much when refers to Blair as a Marxist. I mean you'd think someone who used to dress like that would know a Marxist when he sees one!

calzino, Friday, 6 October 2017 10:52 (one year ago) Permalink

I could imagine a grizzled + ageing (i.e. looking past getting ID'ed) Owen Jones being more right wing than Hitchens in the future.

calzino, Friday, 6 October 2017 11:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Long hair and sideburns, but still looks like an arrogant twat who knows what's good for you.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 6 October 2017 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Having that smug type of countenance that silently says "your'e wrong and I'm right you fucking pleb!" is probably quite a burden! Or is it something you just naturally grow into?

calzino, Friday, 6 October 2017 11:11 (one year ago) Permalink

I listen to Radio 3, and occasionally they get this cunt on to talk. Here's your smug patrician countenance:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Author%20photos/Simon_Heffer1-xlarge.png

As if Anne McElvoy on Free Thinking wasn't bad enough.

glumdalclitch, Friday, 6 October 2017 11:58 (one year ago) Permalink

I am ashamed to admit I was once in a lift with that cunt and didn't stab him. Not that I had a knife on me at the time.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 6 October 2017 12:21 (one year ago) Permalink

that's truly a horrible old england face

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 6 October 2017 12:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Think I've come around to Peter Hitchens a little in so much as I still think he's wrong about almost everything, but is at least operating from what appears to be sincerely held beliefs and is at least courteous (if not respectful) to his opponents (which seems to be basically everyone)

On the other hand my dislike of Matthew Parris, who seems to be treated as one of the good uns, knows no bounds.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 6 October 2017 12:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Man alive...

A few more of the guests we've got coming up on #AftertheNews - join us from Monday after the @itvnews at Ten pic.twitter.com/19OuQco0B6

— After The News (@AfterTheNewsITV) October 5, 2017

nashwan, Friday, 6 October 2017 12:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Beyond The Facts

nashwan, Friday, 6 October 2017 12:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I am not sure JRM is especially conservative. https://t.co/qVNsEvCETC

— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) October 7, 2017

calzino, Saturday, 7 October 2017 15:42 (one year ago) Permalink

As you must be aware, true conservatism is now the counter culture, so you and Rees-Mogg are slowly gaining rockstar status here in the US

— ReaIity Kid (@ReaIityKid) October 7, 2017

calzino, Saturday, 7 October 2017 15:44 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

This Paperchase pearl-clutching is all very amusing

Day 1 of the RW Columnist Paperchase anti boycott boycott. Rod Liddle has had to burn all of his tropical fruit scented pens. His hair smells of molten plastic & mango. Tim Montgomerie is suspected of owning a cactus print A5 academic year planner & is hung as a witch.

— Then he went 'eurgh it's me really' & stabbed me (@Scriblit) November 21, 2017

Neil S, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 09:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Quite an amusing New Statesman article yesterday pointing out that Paperchase presumably know their customers and in any case *this is how the free market they usually love so much is supposed to work*. But I suspect most of this is primal fear of more advertisers following suit and their columns/paycheques disappearing.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 09:36 (one year ago) Permalink

the hypocrisy would be breathtaking if I hadn't lived with it for 40 years

faked potato (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 09:50 (one year ago) Permalink

I'd find this all more amusing if I didn't know its all going to kill the conversational vibe at family Xmas dinner this year.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:05 (one year ago) Permalink

when you reveal your wrapping paper was from Paperchase?

Neil S, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:16 (one year ago) Permalink

when you reveal your wrapping paper is the Daily Mail?

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:56 (one year ago) Permalink

when you reveal your rapping granny is chasing paper?

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:59 (one year ago) Permalink

when you reveal paper granny wrapping frozen elsa pregnant spider man?

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:05 (one year ago) Permalink

there it is

It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

fped you all FYI

Neil S, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:10 (one year ago) Permalink

with sellotape and knives

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:12 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

British journalism is in a healthy state I see.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:13 (one year ago) Permalink

the envy of the world

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:14 (one year ago) Permalink

Coren counts as a right-wing pundit, no? literally can't imagine a less appealing front page splash than this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ1ogyRXkAE6uHR.jpg

soref, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Jfc. Coren's insufferable.

Another one of those "writers" making money over their baby's back.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:40 (one year ago) Permalink

*dad's

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:45 (one year ago) Permalink

aye

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:47 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah he's the one thing that puts me off marrying Victoria

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:56 (one year ago) Permalink

He's a troll. That's all he is. On some level he must know it, and I hope it causes him deep, profound and insurmountable displeasure.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:09 (one year ago) Permalink

ha, I always thought he came across as oddly thin-skinned and hurt by criticism for someone whose whole schtick is trolling? I sometimes get the impression that he is someone who genuinely has these thoughts and opinions that he knows are considered beyond the pale and is troubled by this, so he tries to exorcise the anxiety by expressing the thoughts/opinions in a faux-trolly way, but his heart is not really in it - imo Coren doesn't actually enjoys riling Libs a la Rod Liddle or Toby Young, he wants to be liked too much.

soref, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:18 (one year ago) Permalink

giles coren is so london

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:45 (one year ago) Permalink

every generation gets the samuel pepys it deserves

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:47 (one year ago) Permalink

giles coren is so london

this is slanderous upon London imo

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:49 (one year ago) Permalink

manchester offers ample scope for a reprisal tbf

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:51 (one year ago) Permalink

"giles coren is so london" is so manchester

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:52 (one year ago) Permalink

nowadays I suppose Samuel Pepys would be regarded as sexual harassment in our politically correct Airstrip One

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:53 (one year ago) Permalink

lol at the idea that London isn't Ground Zero for this particular type of cunt tho

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:53 (one year ago) Permalink

tru

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 12:54 (one year ago) Permalink

North London tbf

Blandford Forum, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:00 (one year ago) Permalink

where else could forge a giles coren

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:01 (one year ago) Permalink

xp very, very tru :D

enjoy wembley btw ;_____;

Cardi Acs (imago), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

where else could forge a giles coren

Oxford, where he studied?

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:31 (one year ago) Permalink

i'd never have imagined such a paragon of london-awfulness might have gone to oxford

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Not to be confused with Giles Corey, a defendant at the Salem Witch Trials.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:25 (one year ago) Permalink

The British media is so London. In fact, the UK is so London.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:29 (one year ago) Permalink

More too London than so London.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:29 (one year ago) Permalink

'Was I an absolute prince,' he would say, pulling up his breeches with both his hands, as he rose from his arm-chair, 'I would appoint able judges, at every avenue of my metropolis, who should take cognizance of every fool's business who came there;—and if, upon a fair and candid hearing, it appeared not of weight sufficient to leave his own home, and come up, bag and baggage, with his wife and children, farmer's sons, &c. &c. at his backside, they should be all sent back, from constable to constable, like vagrants as they were, to the place of their legal settlements.

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:34 (one year ago) Permalink

According to the law at the time, a person who refused to plead could not be tried. To avoid persons cheating justice, the legal remedy for refusing to plead was "peine forte et dure". In this process the prisoner is stripped naked, with a heavy board laid on his body. Then rocks or boulders are laid on the plank of wood. This was the process of being pressed:[10]

...remanded to the prison from whence he came and put into a low dark chamber, and there be laid on his back on the bare floor, naked, unless when decency forbids; that there be placed upon his body as great a weight as he could bear, and more, that he hath no sustenance, save only on the first day, three morsels of the worst bread, and the second day three draughts of standing water, that should be alternately his daily diet till he died, or, till he answered.

As a result of his refusal to plead, on September 17, Sheriff George Corwin led Corey to a pit in the open field beside the jail and in accordance with the above process, before the Court and witnesses, stripped Giles of his clothing, laid him on the ground in the pit, and placed boards on his chest. Six men then lifted heavy stones, placing them one by one, on his stomach and chest. Giles Corey did not cry out, let alone make a plea.

After two days, Giles was asked three times to plead innocent or guilty to witchcraft. Each time he replied, "More weight." More and more rocks were piled on him, and the Sheriff from time to time would stand on the boulders staring down at Corey's bulging eyes. Robert Calef, who was a witness along with other townsfolk, later said, "In the pressing, Giles Corey's tongue was pressed out of his mouth; the Sheriff, with his cane, forced it in again."[11]

Three mouthfuls of bread and water were fed to the old man during his many hours of pain. Finally, Giles Corey cried out "More weight!" and died. Supposedly, just before his death, he cursed Sheriff Corwin and the entire town of Salem.[12] He was 81.

The realest of England

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:50 (one year ago) Permalink

gonna give that one to the USA tbf

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

't Was British North America iirc but fair

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Coren isn't a troll per se, just yet another dude with nothing worthwhile to say* (except perhaps about restaurants) who has nevertheless decided to make a living from opinion journalism.

*Or at least an opinion about everything and insight into nothing.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

who has nevertheless decided to make a living from opinion journalismassholism.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:55 (one year ago) Permalink

worthwhile comments about restaurants sounds like a category mistake.

Monogo doesn't socialise (ledge), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I dunno it's good to know which McDonalds's are clean

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

i mean say what u like about yelp reviewers but at least they never throw their toys out of the prank because a sub-editor ruined their terrible joke about blowjobs

straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:21 (one year ago) Permalink

er, out of the pram obv

straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Was not aware of Liddle's poetry before.

Philip Larkin's mouldering poetic corpse discovered in rancid bin-bag of Rod Liddle's mind, pic.twitter.com/2ptyS6spIw

— david wheatley (@nemoloris) December 15, 2017

woof, Friday, 15 December 2017 12:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Am I a bad person for wanting to backhand Isabel Oakeshott while wearing some rusty wire-wool gloves?

kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 15 December 2017 12:24 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A-hole meets K-hole.

Katie Hopkins is an anesthetic mostly used in veterinarian procedures. She is often referred to as a “horse tranquilizer”

Katie should never be taken recreationally as she can induce psychological effects such as psychedelic distortion, psychosis, confusion and even brain death pic.twitter.com/RW80uxssd7

— G H Neale (@GHNeale) February 4, 2018

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Ketie Hopkins

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:47 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

A man who looks like Bob Geldof after eating 10 packets of lard claims he doesn't find succesful women attractive, more news as we get it:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/theres-a-reason-women-sell-roof-tiles-in-hotpants/

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 23 February 2018 08:46 (one year ago) Permalink

kudos on that URL though

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 23 February 2018 08:46 (one year ago) Permalink

is the spectator just basically Nuts magazine now?

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 08:51 (one year ago) Permalink

he makes his edgelord shtick look so effortful

smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 February 2018 08:56 (one year ago) Permalink

they can't all be toby young.

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 09:01 (one year ago) Permalink

I was thinking wasn't he one of them regular bores on Grumpy Old Men but wiki says:

"Regular contributors include Jeremy Clarkson, Bob Geldof, John Humphrys, A. A. Gill, Nigel Havers, Tony Hawks, Simon Hoggart, John O'Farrell, Rory McGrath, Bill Nighy, Matthew Parris, John Peel, Will Self, Arthur Smith, Tim Rice, Rick Stein, Tony Slattery, Rick Wakeman, Lemn Sissay, Don Warrington, Des Lynam, Robert Wyllie, Pete Buckley, Gerry Robinson and Kevin I'anson. The narrator is Geoffrey Palmer."

could do with a few more RIP's from that list.

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 09:07 (one year ago) Permalink

Leave Geoffrey Palmer alone, though.

too notch (stevie), Friday, 23 February 2018 09:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Robert Wyllie, Pete Buckley

momentarily read this as Pete Wylie and didn't really question it

thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Friday, 23 February 2018 10:59 (one year ago) Permalink

And who are they anyway?

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:01 (one year ago) Permalink

top google result for robert wyllie is chief of medical operations at a clinic in cleveland, ohio and the top result for pete buckley is an expert in 'financing, leasing, sales and complex structured transactions involving aircraft (fixed wing and rotary), vessels and other transportation assets'

so either the net for grumpy old men was cast much wider than i'd have expected or we may never know who the trv wyllie and buckley were

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:10 (one year ago) Permalink

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Robert_Crichton_Wyllie.jpg

Robert Crichton Wyllie (October 13, 1798 – October 19, 1865) was a Scottish physician and businessman. He also served two decades as Minister of Foreign Affairs in the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Maconie Youth (NickB), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:14 (one year ago) Permalink

counts as an old man for sure, looks pretty chipper tho

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:16 (one year ago) Permalink

this was around the time that Ian McCulloch used to appear as a panelist on The Wright Stuff, so Pete Wylie doesn't seem that implausible

soref, Friday, 23 February 2018 11:17 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think even the producers of Grumpy Old Men knew wtf Robert Wyllie was

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 11:22 (one year ago) Permalink

When you type "Pete Buckley grumpy..." into GS, "cat" is the first word that comes. So wtf he is, he didn't quite make his bones with that show.

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 11:26 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

classy

(1) With the Spectator publishing an article about how great the Wehrmacht were on D-Day, what else have they been up to ? pic.twitter.com/6zuxRniqIJ

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) May 17, 2018

Neil S, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

how is taki still alive

martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

blood of virgins, 6 bottles of vintage champagne a day

Neil S, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

taki was ahead of the alt-right curve by a good decade tbfttl

imago, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

aye, Werhmacht were a cracking bunch of lads - just don't mention all the civilian massacres and those lovely Stalags they built so captured Red Army could get a sun tan or freeze to death whilst they cannibalised each other!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Taki made A A Gill look like a lefty at The Sunday Times in the 90's.

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

For my sins I can remember his columns were a mixture of obnoxious macho bravado and name dropping upper class elite ppl, a class act for sure!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:04 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The Wehrmacht had the advantage of plenty of time to construct all the defenses they could think of against an amphibious assault, which is considered the most difficult of all military operations to execute. And they failed.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

some of the brickies working on the Atlantic Wall were getting paid more than doctors and brain surgeons in the Reich, that was probably the only bit of Socialism in NS!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

taki was ahead of the alt-right curve by a good decade tbfttl

― imago, Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:42 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the cover of Taki's 1991 prison memoir (three months in HM Prison Pentonville for cocaine possession) is like some horrifying prophecy of Milo Yiannopoulos two decades ahead of time

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51TI63K6OuL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

soref, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Even by Spectator standards, Taki is massively racist.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I can half remember some quote where he is referring to Puerto Ricans as "dusky, squat and ugly" and this was before the brexit-era Times got their special circumstances racist card, this was in the 90's!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

xxp lol uncanny!

Neil S, Friday, 18 May 2018 07:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

taki was ahead of the alt-right curve by a good decade tbfttl

He's an old-school capital-F Fascist but his magazine was hugely important in laying a lot of the foundations for the McInnes / Spencer alt-right stuff.

Obviously, being rich and eccentric means he gets a pass as a 'character' in the British press.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 18 May 2018 07:59 (eleven months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Hugo Rifkind says online 'outrage engine' makes papers swerve difficult subjects to 'avoid enraging parts of their readership'https://t.co/NjlLMMI33c pic.twitter.com/dkoSOpRljw

— Press Gazette (@pressgazette) November 22, 2018


🤔

gyac, Thursday, 22 November 2018 14:07 (four months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

This is a good expose on our old friends at Spiked: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-hard-right-britain-spiked-magazine-charles-david-koch-foundation

Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2018 09:21 (four months ago) Permalink

It's pretty sad that they're not even Trots manqué curdled to misanthropy but just old-fashioned posho somethings-in-the-media grubbing for PR work for Monty fucking Burns

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:37 (four months ago) Permalink

[mark can correct whichever corner of post-Leninism they actually grew out of here]

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:39 (four months ago) Permalink

Monbiot does nice work in exposing their um "selective" reading of Trotsky

Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2018 12:41 (four months ago) Permalink

I like that he seems to have these mealy-mouthed fuckers squirming

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:44 (four months ago) Permalink

Brendan O'Neill looks like a lovechild Frasier would deny

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:26 (four months ago) Permalink

That photo of Frank Furedi in the Guardian article, I lived just off that corridor for a year. It's pretty fucking weird to see it crop up nearly two decades later in an article about an international right-wing conspiracy.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:46 (four months ago) Permalink

There's a lot more detail here: https://www.desmog.co.uk/2018/12/04/spiked-lm-dark-money-koch-brothers

Matt DC, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:42 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd heard of Claire Fox but not Fiana Fox OBE.

calzino, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:46 (four months ago) Permalink

Fiona

calzino, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:47 (four months ago) Permalink

that map of the LM network seems to be missing some much loved ILM indie-rockers:P

calzino, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:48 (four months ago) Permalink

LEAVE GAZ ALONE

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:06 (four months ago) Permalink

I think Gaz might to need to look at more lucrative options than becoming a regular Spiked contributor, my cousin has a shit hot wedding band company called Rock My Reception!

calzino, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Which is more lucrative, writing puff pieces for Nazi businessmen or coming third in the Mercury Music Prize every other year?

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:14 (four months ago) Permalink

they're a mid-70s offshoot of IS (which underwent many splits at that time: what was left evolved into the swp): the revolutionary communist party then split from the revolutionary communist group* over tactics relating to anti-apartheid (ribald voice from the back: "yes, furedi was pro! etc etc haw haw") -- its organ "living marxism" (so-called bcz everyone else's was declared dead) was active until the mid-90s, when a journalist they libelled during the yugoslav civil war sued it to extinction. they were rebooting at this time as radical libtertarian cyberlefties anyway -- they ran and made a lot of cash from the early internet cafe cyberia -- and (presumably cynically) adapted to harmonise with the tech flavour of libertarianism instead. even in the early 90s the other trot orgs mocked them as a yuppie party

*according to wikipedia, the RCG's paper fight racism! fight imperialism! is still running for nearly 40 years, tho it's a LOOOOONG time since i've seen a copy on sale. rumours that Spiked! is abt to be renamed don't fight racism! don't fight imperialism! are too funny to ignore

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:34 (four months ago) Permalink

a couple of them (as students) wrote for me at the wire! but both seem -- via the magick of goggle -- to have evolved into entirely ordinary leftish academics no longer tangled in such garbage

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:36 (four months ago) Permalink

Glad somebody had a happy ending

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:38 (four months ago) Permalink

most of that is in monbiot's article now i read it -- this line ("In 1974, the International Socialists split after a dispute over arithmetic in Volume 3 of Das Kapital") is amusing but misleading. all spilts in the IS were abt personality clashes among the leadership, and every single splinter-sect coalesced round a different egomaniac

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:41 (four months ago) Permalink

here's the section on the IS/RCG/RCP split in john sullivan's classic 1988 essay on fissiparous UK trots (very dated, the whole thing is still worth reading)*:
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/critiques/sullivan/pub-7rcgrcp.html

*no one was rightwing at this point, tho there were likely a great many mutual accusations to this effect all the same

mark s, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:24 (four months ago) Permalink

It's no Fools and Horses

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Brendan O'Neill looks like a lovechild Frasier would deny

Looool perfect.

The Village Defibrillator (Mr Andy M), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:37 (four months ago) Permalink

I feel like this sort of forensic takedown of what Spiked are about and how they function (which I know Monbiot has been doing for a while now) is a better way to deal with them than the approach I see from a lot of leftist commentators on Twitter, where it always seems to be 'Oh no, look at this new horrible thing Brendan O'Neill has written' with 50 retweets - which just gives them what they want I think?

The Village Defibrillator (Mr Andy M), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:40 (four months ago) Permalink

Of course it does, like when fuckwits kept giving Katie Hopkins the attention she craved

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:44 (four months ago) Permalink

This whole thing is so transparent, the endless feedback loop of wankers DESTROYING other wankers. I notice I haven't seen many of my Canary-following friends bigging up Jonathan Pieface lately, but it was obvious from day one what an unfunny useless arsehole he was

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:48 (four months ago) Permalink

I heard this typically unfunny cunt on R4 last week called Geoff Norcott. His unique schtick was that he's a comedian and a Tory voter like as if ho ho ho what an absolute enigma, a comedian whose politics absolutely suck shit.

calzino, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:55 (four months ago) Permalink

I feel like this sort of forensic takedown of what Spiked are about and how they function (which I know Monbiot has been doing for a while now) is a better way to deal with them than the approach I see from a lot of leftist commentators on Twitter, where it always seems to be 'Oh no, look at this new horrible thing Brendan O'Neill has written' with 50 retweets - which just gives them what they want I think?

I'm not sure they need retweets when one of them is on national TV or radio almost literally every day.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:31 (four months ago) Permalink

Can't believe Merrick would be so let down by her favourite feminist PM pic.twitter.com/LrgGwIgRjm

— Sam ✌️ (@samisam147) December 12, 2018

🙃

These takes are so mad considering there was a fuss about May being Home Sec/Minister for Equalities & Women despite having opposed gay marriage in the past and endorsing splitting up families and detaining people in hellish immigration centres. Not to mention austerity notably hitting women harder. Still, those shoes, eh?

Nb: I have always thought her shoes are terrible.

gyac, Thursday, 13 December 2018 11:57 (four months ago) Permalink

This mocku-docu-mentary is Louis Theroux meets Alan Partridge meets the Koch brothers.

I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:36 (four months ago) Permalink

happy xmas noodle vague

conrad, Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:37 (four months ago) Permalink

Rebecca Nicholson in the Guardian is not a fan of the Jonathan Pie special

Partridge is funny because he is pathetic and human; Pie just has a sneering superiority complex. Theroux offers insight because he listens to people; Pie has too many scores to settle to offer an impartial ear.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/dec/13/tv-review-jonathan-pie-american-pie

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:40 (four months ago) Permalink

Are you still struggling to justify voting for Jeremy Corbyn? This should help. Destitute, self-pitying, public school pervert, Toby Young says that a Corbyn government will mean he has to sell his house! pic.twitter.com/Yy9VIEK9Wy

— John Spiers (@squeezyjohn) December 13, 2018

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:22 (four months ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuTW1OqX4AAhKwL.jpg

beautiful.

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:24 (four months ago) Permalink

Stick that on posters the length and breadth of the land - Young's face on the left, this text on the right - Labour landslide.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:45 (four months ago) Permalink

I knew he was butthurt about losing the education post when he was presenting a R4 program about Character and repeatedly kept mentioning how he was hounded out of a job by the twitter mob. But didn't realise he'd managed to poison all the other wells he was drinking from, apart from the fucking Spectator of course!

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:51 (four months ago) Permalink

I'll say a prayer for Toby (that he ends up homeless and dies on the streets).

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:57 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

God I hate Jimmy Bollix SO MUCH.

Stepping in to defend journalists at the Mail & Sun:

This is predictably getting piled-on (the irony of complaining about abuse and its dangers when you cause frequent abusive pile-ons aside) – but: plenty of journalists who do great, public interest work holding power to account started at newspapers OJ and co don't approve of. https://t.co/nERSyRcy5t

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

Personally I'm referring to people who directly write articles whipping up hatred against minorities and women.

— Owen Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) January 14, 2019

OJ offers the above as clarification AND THEN:

Other reasons people can find themselves at such outlets: people’s politics change, people grow up with Tory parents, people come from local news and get offered a secondment to a National their group owns that you’d be mad to then down, etc

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

People may then change their view (none of which wd excuse writing the hateful stuff, but as has been noted, many don’t). Or not change their view but do we really hold someone doing casual sports shifts equal to Rod Liddle? And if our bar is that high aren’t readers on the hook?

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

He’s such an awful cunt, how does he even have a job?!

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 15:37 (three months ago) Permalink

who wouldn't jump at the chance to earn a living inciting hatred if it meant secondment to a thriving national newspaper?

moaty, boaty, big and bloaty (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 January 2019 17:24 (three months ago) Permalink

Am I being oversimplistic or are all the people scolding other writers for being choosy about which outlets they write for, straight and white?

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:32 (three months ago) Permalink

I don’t think JB is?

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:40 (three months ago) Permalink

I’m on a fair few FB groups for journalists/freelancers and many of the members write for Sun/Mail etc and of those, most of them HATE Owen Jones (I think they would all sell their grannies for his profile TBH but I’m sick of them saying he wouldn’t last a week in a newsroom blah blah blah).

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:16 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah that doesn’t surprise me given how openly contemptuous a lot of the higher profile ones are on twitter. And definitely part jealousy but also the politics.

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:19 (three months ago) Permalink

Journo groups: GO HADLEY GO, BODY HIM
Twitter: Fuck off, Hadley, you’re a TERF

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 22:08 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Poor old @CampbellClaret, hero of the Iraq War, still can’t cope with the fact that he can no longer tell the BBC what they can and cannot broadcast. The rest of us (and the people of bombable nations) are relieved. Go for a run, Al, you’ve done enough harm. https://t.co/VmnSX4z70S

— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) February 7, 2019

good retort imo.

calzino, Thursday, 7 February 2019 08:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Fuck them both.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Thursday, 7 February 2019 15:16 (two months ago) Permalink

yep, they'd both probably argue to the death they have nothing in common but Hitch is just a 1914 time-travel version of the same type of odious twat.

calzino, Thursday, 7 February 2019 15:39 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I made the mistake of checking his "satirical" account and it's even worse than I feared

...he says, while saying what he wants (and plugging his book) in a national newspaper pic.twitter.com/qfhdC8wI1B

— Emma Hughes (@emmahdhughes) March 7, 2019

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 08:59 (one month ago) Permalink

it's quite shrill and witless and I would actually laugh if it was funny. Melts and conservatives need to develop some self-awareness before attempting satire.

calzino, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:08 (one month ago) Permalink

(Right thread this time)
Isn’t he one of those Sp1k3d cunts?

gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:18 (one month ago) Permalink

it's too scattershot, like it's trying to simultaneously parody FBPE liberals and die-hard I-stand-with-Chris-Williamson Corbynistas and pop-intersectionalists when these are all fairly distinct groups?

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:22 (one month ago) Permalink

they're all snowflakes tbf

Mike Skeavee (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:23 (one month ago) Permalink

"The genius of Titania McGrath | The Spectator"

talk about easily impressed, they must be the types that shit their pants with laughter at dominic holland.

calzino, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:24 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean they pay Taki to praise the Wehrmacht and Rod Liddle to write about black people, so this is evidently the height of wit for that crowd.

gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:25 (one month ago) Permalink

where's that Prison Paul "conservatives are getting good at comedy and liberals are scared" meme when you need it

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Just spent 10 mins reading the Titania McGrath Twitter feed. There is plenty to be parodied on woke Twitter, yet it never seems to hit the mark, obviously because this guy doesn't want to get it, and neither do his audience.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:32 (one month ago) Permalink

have there been any actually-funny British right wing pundits since Auberon Waugh died?

it's notable how the Spectator manages to have so many 'funny' columnists who are never actually funny (Tanya Gold is funny, but she doesn't seem particularly right wing?)

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:47 (one month ago) Permalink

one big difference between Waugh and Rod Liddle/Toby Young/James Delingpole etc is that the latter rhetorically position themselves as being on the side of the masses against the sneering elites where Waugh proudly identified with the sneering elite, I don't think there's a space for someone like Waugh today, that old conservative elite contempt and revulsion for for fast food and pop music and TV etc maybe doesn't exist anymore?

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:55 (one month ago) Permalink

JRM though?

gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 09:57 (one month ago) Permalink

his schtick is more of a cutesy affectation of being baffled by pop culture though, I don't think he expresses disgust for it in same way that the old-school types did

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Always preferred Peter Simple (Michael Wharton) to Auberon Waugh myself, some of Wharton's stuff was staggeringly funny. Their writing careers more or less overlapped and indeed Waugh took over the Peter Simple column after Wharton retired. But yes, Wharton was another sneering conservative elite type.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Roger Scruton is often old-fashioned-elitist conservative, but is never funny. For example

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34801885

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:12 (one month ago) Permalink

jonathan meades is the name you're all kind of searching for, not that he's a pundit, or conservative in any manner that's in vogue

imago, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:17 (one month ago) Permalink

he's not a conservative, small or large C, in any sense

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:20 (one month ago) Permalink

there's an argument that he is sort of an anti-authoritarian small-c conservative insofar as skeptical classic humanism is a conservative position

imago, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:22 (one month ago) Permalink

he had a really disappointingly run of the mill dad moan about thicko footballers and their tats in his last tv work. And the jibe about Cage provoked silence.

calzino, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Nuke Twitter.

Never heard of this but, yes, there seems to be a Spiked connection.

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I like this Meades article about Kenneth Clark's Civilisation

The root of the series’s appeal as a continuing model is obvious. To a certain cast of plodding mind, art remains a necessarily important thing, something intrinsically good, improving. And it is even better when rendered popularly “accessible” with stirring music, doting cinematography and big ideas that are easy to follow. Yet, for all its lavish grandiloquence, television of this sort is humble: it knows its place and pays due deference to acknowledged masterpieces in media to which it believes itself to be a subservient upstart. It is essentially reportorial and does not attempt to create its own reality.

soref, Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Craig Brown, perhaps?

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:51 (one month ago) Permalink

peter hitchens is v occasionally funny in a remote elite way, mostly accidentally

ogmor, Thursday, 7 March 2019 11:11 (one month ago) Permalink

in the sort of manner when you are deep into hard drugs and your dad accuses you of being a glue sniffer.

calzino, Thursday, 7 March 2019 11:22 (one month ago) Permalink

sorry to post two articles to this thread in a single day but this is another doozy
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/would-any-publisher-dare-to-print-lolita-now/

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:09 (one month ago) Permalink

A million-plus-selling literary novelist of my acquaintance — fêted for penetrating the labile recesses of the female heart — was warned that he should not attempt to write his next novel, set in the first half of the last century, in the voice of a woman.

Got to be Amis or Jacobson right?

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:11 (one month ago) Permalink

To answer my own question I started — as you do — by typing ‘Lolita’ into Google. An alert flashed up, which said, ‘Warning: child pornography is illegal’.

*Narrator: No alert flashed up*

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:13 (one month ago) Permalink

fêted for penetrating the labile recesses of the female heart

good grief

ogmor, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:22 (one month ago) Permalink

spectator.co.uk/2019/08/hitler-should-never-have-been-allowed-to-write-socialist-doctrines-in-prison

nashwan, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Posting my thoughts about Christchurch & the media mainstreaming hate here so as not to drag the thread off topic.

Just to single out some of the hypocrites on the UK side here:

Matthew “book eater” Goodwin primly criticising Andrew Adonis for a clumsy Julius Caesar reference. MG chaired a debate entitled “is rising ethnic diversity a threat to the west?” and for affronted when challenged on it. All his research seems to come to the conclusion that immigration is bad.

David Aaronovitch attended the above debate and wrote an article last year called “it’s not racist to criticise Islam”, and has a LOT of previous on this. He is tweeting his regret today.

I’m sure the Times will have opinion pieces shared on this soon enough. The Times has a complaint upheld by the press regulator over its story about a girl being adopted by a Muslim foster family - the story was almost entirely false. They publish Melanie Phillips, who was quoted in Anders Brevik’s manifesto.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2018/09/the-times-muslim-christian-child-foster-care-tower-hamlets-court-ruling-ipso

It would be good if any of these people thought about which views are being legitimised, or how many incidents like this will need to happen for them to reconsider.

gyac, Friday, 15 March 2019 10:06 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, like that's going to happen. Aaronovitch, what a dick.

Swing Band the Sailor (Tom D.), Friday, 15 March 2019 10:53 (one month ago) Permalink

With some of these people, and their editors, it's part of the fetishisation of "debate" above all other issues, the idea that these ideas SHOULD be in the mainstream press so they can be interrogated and wilt under the glare of rational argument and forensic knowledge. Some of the others are just racists or click-hungry in search of a quick buck.

Matt DC, Friday, 15 March 2019 11:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Now, obviously there's an existential question for the former group there, because if hatred and bigotry CAN'T be defeated through enlightened rational debate then what is the point of newspaper columnists existing?

Matt DC, Friday, 15 March 2019 11:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Fanny Dinklesrtein also on the board of a blatantly Islamophopic foundation and gets VERY het up when challenged about it online.

suzy, Friday, 15 March 2019 11:39 (one month ago) Permalink

They all get annoyed when they're challenged with any of their crap opinions. They think they can just say what they like and everyone will agree because they've thought so long and hard about their wise words, it's like they've never even been on ILX.

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 15 March 2019 12:32 (one month ago) Permalink

It's also like they've never been to a comprehensive school or anywhere else where their brand of shot rolls downhill to

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 16 March 2019 01:04 (one month ago) Permalink

*Shit.

One positive that might, with caution, be drawn from the anti-Zionism/antisemitism/Labour debacle and now the NZ shooting is like, better awareness about how one (not explicitly or intentionally racist and violent) discourse leads into or enables another (which is) unless some careful conditions are built in. I've been reading the Hirsh article Mordy linked to and it makes the case well. The cultivation of certain atmospheres. Or maybe the sort of RW pundits this thread is about won't learn but will come to seem behind the curve on this.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 16 March 2019 01:11 (one month ago) Permalink

The Aussie police keep saying how there is no immediate threat of terrorism, without mentioning the continuous and highly public torrent of undisguised racist shit from our own right-wing commentariat. Fuck the lot of them. I’m going to try an avoid whatever Andrew bolt writes about this because it will assuredly provoke me to violence.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 16 March 2019 01:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Call me cynical but I think if there was going to be a teachable moment, either for right-wing pundits or society at large, it would probably have been when 77 mostly-white children got shot by a guy explicitly saying he was inspired by the British press’ take on race and Islam. The problem is that these are not niche views. Almost everyone will reject terrorism, but the idea of ‘white replacement’ and the incompatibility of Muslims with European society is absolutely mainstream. In he U.K., I don’t think Melanie Philips, Douglas Murray, Rod Liddell, etc are in the majority but the minority is sizeable enough to be financially rewarding for them and the people who employ them in perpetuity. Even if it wasn’t, there are enough people like the Gatestone Institute willing to fund it.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Newsnight actually gave Generation Identity a platform last night, what the fuck?

suzy, Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Additionally, even if it wasn’t financially viable for the Gatestone Institute, you can still rely on the BBC.

Something has plainly gone very wrong at @BBCNewsnight. This evening—on the day of the racist murder of Muslims in #Christchurch—they gave a platform to racist hate organisation Generation Identity. Would you explain your decision @esmewren? I’ll be making a formal complaint. pic.twitter.com/RdQcfxAeF1

— Tom Kibasi (@TomKibasi) March 15, 2019

Xp! Snap.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:16 (one month ago) Permalink

Is it just a ratings thing?

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:41 (one month ago) Permalink

The most charitable reading

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Newsnight has a bigger audience on significant news days so I’m minded to say they could do with being more responsible on those broadcasts. It costs them nothing and I can’t see how it’s worth it, publicity-wise, to wind up people who have a problem with normalising the fash. The GI creeps are at Speaker’s Corner most days rubbing up against nutters of all stripes. How difficult is it for production staff to just leave them there?

suzy, Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:19 (one month ago) Permalink

most nights newsnight struggles to post up a representative voice for the UK’s official opposition... so howtf have they got on a representative for thenppl who advocate the systematic ethnic cleansing of BAME people

and on the same day as christchurch too wth

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:24 (one month ago) Permalink

has there been any good writing on how the emergent global far right could look to exploit the upcoming european parliamentary elections? this piece was a little unsettling - and I'm thinking about things like bannon touring europe pressing the flesh w various RW figures here, farage's visit to salvini last week etc. it seems like they're getting pretty organised. I'd be interested in reading any pieces that draw historical parallels with, uh, the 1930s too : /
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-facebook-elections

and - hopefully not being too parochial about this - but this wider trend is actually one of the reasons I'm v concerned about the way the 'resolution' to brexit is handled. thankfully I think our politicians do understand that if it is not dealt with sensitively and in a fashion which respects democratic principles, the far right feeds on 'betrayal'

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:35 (one month ago) Permalink

My feeling is that the far right says they’re betrayed whatever the rest of us do or don’t do. I advocate calling out their entitlement issues whenever possible.

suzy, Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:46 (one month ago) Permalink

This is what the Spectator has published following a massacre of Muslims by a far-right terrorist #notshockinganymore pic.twitter.com/FdTuVfAS7h

— Miqdaad Versi (@miqdaad) March 15, 2019

The Spectator still on their Islamophobia isn’t real tip.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 08:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Let us be very clear, what happened today was a diabolical and methodical ordering of words into a readable structure conveying a messages. it is most certainly not a sentence

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:29 (one month ago) Permalink

wrt Newsnight, I don’t think there is a single cause. Esme Wren came in as Editor after thirteen years at Sky and seems to have intensified it but a lot of this stuff was present when Ian Katz (ex Guardian) was in charge, and probably before that too.

Ratings are one factor, the infamous dedication to faux ‘balance’ another. I think there are definitely people at the BBC who see Nick Griffin’s demolition on Question Time as a pivotal moment in contemporary politics (ignoring the fact it was probably Marmite that did for the BNP in the end) - without taking into account how the far-right has adapted and become more agile.

I don’t think you get to where we are now without a deep hostility to the left, though. Both in the sense of tying the rise of the far-right and Soc Dem politics into a false narrative about extremism, to which the Sensible Centre is a panacea, and in the Nagle-style ‘too much id-pol makes people fascist’ .

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:34 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't understand how the Newsnight/BNP story came to be that way it is. I remember the BNP getting a boost, and indeed they got their highest ever proportion of the vote in the election after the broadcast.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:55 (one month ago) Permalink

Sunlight IS the best disinfectant. Doesn't stop it also being the best amplifier

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I think it's mostly about making what they consider to be sexy, exciting television, if that helps the ratings that is obviously a good thing but I think it's primarily exciting for the programme makers, more exciting than talking to David Gauke again, for example.

Swing Band the Sailor (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:26 (one month ago) Permalink

the whole practice of "live television interviews" such as practiced by newsnight is generally reprehensible. they want to come up with "gotcha questions" and put people on the spot and in doing so overestimate their ability to control the medium in the face of practiced and experienced liars

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:42 (one month ago) Permalink

the daily mirror running with: don't murderous nazi white supremacists make the cutest babies on the cover.

calzino, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:48 (one month ago) Permalink

The Mail is running with ‘it was Facebook what done it’.

This Twitter argument between Abi Wilkinson and a bunch of people from LBC is something:

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

Racism and Islamophobia are positive things to challenge and its great that one of the presenters we employ calls out the racism and Islamophobia of all the other presenters we employ.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:53 (one month ago) Permalink

the whole practice of "live television interviews" such as practiced by newsnight is generally reprehensible. they want to come up with "gotcha questions" and put people on the spot and in doing so overestimate their ability to control the medium in the face of practiced and experienced liars

― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy),

This is unfathomable to me - the seeming inability to deal with practiced and serial liars, to the point where you are wondering even after the show - do they even know they've been had?

Flipside is the really poor level of some of the people that do go on, a complete inability to deal with even the slightest tough questioning. Its one of the reason i think Left-leaning guests SHOULD go on Fox, its the best practice out there

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Or else just keep Barry Gardiner away from any TV studio anywhere.

Swing Band the Sailor (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Nick Griffin was out there giving talks twenty years ago about how the arguments needed to be about “culture” and “values”. And it has been for almost that long too.

In the modern day and age it’s engagement that drives numbers that drives profit, and the YouTube sea of recommendations is pulled from the people who spend the most time watching videos - conspiracy theorists and extremists to a man. Capitalism will stoke tensions, amplify bigots and count the profits with a # prayfor hashtag and a tear running down its cheek.

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:19 (one month ago) Permalink

why....... are you hiring islamophobes?

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Refresh the thread zebra :)

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:20 (one month ago) Permalink

oh sorry see SV posted that upthread xps

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:21 (one month ago) Permalink

extremely here for david aaronovitch getting a doing in tom kibasi’s mentions

Agree. The comparison with the IRA is obviously stupid. And afaik, after major IRA bombings, they weren’t given an unchallenged interview the night of the attacks. Aaronovitch obviously thinks these people have a point and it deserves to be heard.

— Tom Kibasi (@TomKibasi) March 16, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Fucking hell! If I were him I’d be keeping the head down low, but there he goes jumping in with “genocidal racists have a right to free speech too!”

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:32 (one month ago) Permalink

http://flavible.com/politics/map/polls?sid=1542

from 15th

Survation showing LAB with 4 point lead. YouGov has CON with 4 pointlead

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 12:12 (one month ago) Permalink

oops wrong place

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 12:12 (one month ago) Permalink

LBC producer admitting they employ racists:

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Refresh the thread xyzebra

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:43 (one month ago) Permalink

bah it was so good it was worth doing again

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:52 (one month ago) Permalink

it was worth it for the wins joke

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:56 (one month ago) Permalink

board description imo

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Yep. That's where Tommy Robinson, the EDL the BNP, Column 88, the Aryan Brotherhood, Stormfront get all their ideas and information from - @thetimes. You fucking idiot.

— David Aaronovitch (@DAaronovitch) March 17, 2019

DA is not taking the observation that the Times has published some awful stuff well.

gyac, Sunday, 17 March 2019 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

This is unfathomable to me - the seeming inability to deal with practiced and serial liars, to the point where you are wondering even after the show - do they even know they've been had?

Flipside is the really poor level of some of the people that do go on, a complete inability to deal with even the slightest tough questioning. Its one of the reason i think Left-leaning guests SHOULD go on Fox, its the best practice out there

― anvil

nah, honestly i find it very fathomable. that sort of belief that if you get someone to go on tv and say the 14 words, you've completely and thoroughly debunked them, because every right-thinking person is just born KNOWING why the 14 words are bad and god forbid you should have to explain it or anything

i don't think anybody needs "practice" arguing with the right. it posits argument as its own undifferentiated good. it isn't. there's nothing to discuss, the preconditions for rational discussion don't exist. i mean, shit, it's gotten to the point where our worldviews are so divergent the right is increasingly not even going to the trouble of misrepresenting us. "you'll never believe what the loony left is saying now - they're saying racism is a bad thing!"

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:09 (one month ago) Permalink

(xp) Supreme effort of will by Aaronovitch to leave Corbyn off that list.

Bielsa, Bub (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Also it's rare for anyone to see through a bullshitty thing in one lightbulb instant. Rather you need a steady diet of fairly critical thinking, and an accumulation of knowledge, and a freedom from distractions, which not everyone has

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 17 March 2019 22:05 (one month ago) Permalink

Impressive display of professional solidarity from the British press at the moment - with everyone from comment leaders to investigative journalists to beauty / lifestyle correspondents - ‘left’ and right alike - lining up to shout at Owen Jones.

If there is ever a point at which it’s expedient for them to stand up to racism, rather than exculpating their colleagues and employers, the country will be in safe hands.

ShariVari, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:10 (one month ago) Permalink

What's he done

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 08:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Suggested that people who work for newspapers without challenging their racist editorial lines, or work with racist colleagues without publicly repudiating their stories, are complicit in their racism.

ShariVari, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:50 (one month ago) Permalink

If they can’t understand valid points about racial bias in the media (plus the top-down ways it’s reinforced away from ‘lifestyle’ journalism and within it, too) and the role of ordinary workers (however high-profile these people are, most are only freelance writers) in perpetuating it, they’re just being arseholes to OJ for the sake of impressing their clique. I got piled on in a FB thread after mildly snarking about Jess Phillips’ opportunistic social climb to Spectator parties and a book deal via the method of denigrating Diane Abbott in public, and suddenly I was the villain for suggesting it’s bad to drink champagne in a garden with Taki.

suzy, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:52 (one month ago) Permalink

I don’t even like OJ but the way his colleagues pile on him & talk about him in public is disgraceful! Plus the way they refer to him as Squealer (an Animal Farm reference) is more than a bit homophobic and suggests they’re hiding behind plausible deniability to have that dig. But no, he’s the real problem.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh, also, several of them were delightedly tweeting a video of him being called a wanker by a yellow vest - before it emerged that he’d been chased down the street by the same group of protesters who were shouting homophobic abuse at him. Yet him asking the press to hold themselves to any standards is “Trumpean”.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:16 (one month ago) Permalink

Ron Liddle took a day off from the usual race-hate peddling yesterday in the ST for his other pet subject: that made up condition ME and the pathetic malingerers who claim to be afflicted with it. He needs to be put down in most brutally painful fashion rather than OJ (who I think is a complete wazzock as well tbh!).

calzino, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Today: why does Owen Jones talk about the media like it applied to everybody? Saturday: have you seen Janice Turner's fantastic piece about the left?

— The Justin Horton Show (@ejhchess) March 18, 2019

the other half of this is that you’ll see many of the same columnists piling in to have a pop at OJ - who is just one person - RTing their scummy mates at the Times going full culture war on trans people. Like Jan1c3 Turn3r afaict is employed by the Times to churn out scaremongering shit about trans people - and most of the pearl clutchers are fully on that train & spouting off that people who support trans rights are the real misogynists.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Exactly. And let’s not forget JT’s husband is Exec Ed of the Sunday Times, so it’s up to him what goes in the paper. BTW, his father was Peter Preston, so I bet he rates himself as ‘liberal’.

suzy, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Urgh

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:48 (one month ago) Permalink

They forget the whole seeking truth aspect of journalism, eh.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Fraser Nelson is apparently suffering from false memory syndrome

How absurd. The standard phrase “cultural Marxism” - so old I was taught about it at uni - is labelled an antisemetic conspiracy theory (the power of Wikipedia editing!). So an MP with a Jewish husband is cast as an antisemite. https://t.co/hX0JLCxrft

— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) March 27, 2019

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Can’t believe the guy who publishes Taki might have a blind spot about antisemitism.

gyac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

he's being dragged in an entertaining fashion

Curious to know in which module Fraser Nelson encountered the claim that Adorno and Horkheimer were principally concerned with introducing trigger warnings to American universities.

— Will Davies (@davies_will) March 27, 2019

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"so old" wow did Fraser go to uni back in those halcyon days when there was never such a thing as anti-semitism?

calzino, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's also bollocks- "cultural Marxism" is a recent invention of alt-right/4Chan/Q-Anon types used to denigrate anything they deem "PC gone mad", there was no such phrase, though of course anti-Semitic dog-whistling has long been used as a method to discredit Frankfurt School theorists and others

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

thankfully Andrew Lilico is here to sort things out

The term "cultural Marxism" refers to a form of Marxism that is cultural. Saying "You can't combine 1 adjective & 1 noun in their natural way cos an antisemite once combined them" is utterly absurd.

— Andrew Lilico (@andrew_lilico) March 27, 2019

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"a form of Marxism that is cultural" just savouring that particular phrase

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Lollico absolutely will not settle for someone else having the most stupid take

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Nuremberg Laws. the name of a Bavarian City with a noun.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

OH GOOD GRIEF. #bbctw pic.twitter.com/sYOUIqrwKw

— Andi (@AndiMcLellan) March 29, 2019

Fair warning, this clip will make you want to pour bleach in your eyes and then torch the remaining flesh in the sockets.

gyac, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

fp

tinhead from brookside (||||||||), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

jesus fucking christ i did 5 seconds abolish the licence fee now

The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

;_;

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

not with a bang, but with an andrew neil verse

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There’s something there but he needs to spend more time refining his style if he wants to be a compelling rapper

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

EVERYBODY BE COOL AND NOBODY GETS FP'd

The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

made it 12 seconds with the sound off

recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 March 2019 09:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Christ.

AlanSmithee, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

not clicking that but I do like the sleazy Non Stop Erotic Cabaret, Soho at night vibes of Brillo Pad's set there

Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

you... like it?

truly the human heart is fathomless

recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I feel... a strange attraction

Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

3 seconds

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Is a producer deliberately sabotaging this show? Feel like most people involved with it must realise how awful this is, maybe they just hate Andrew Neil, in which case fair enough I suppose.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Brillo Pad does not need sabotaging, he can do it very well on his own, thank you very much.

Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Non-Brexit News: I enjoyed writing a book so much that I’ve decided to write full-time. So after eight (!) brilliant years at the @NewStatesman I’m joining @TheAtlantic as a staff writer from July, covering the big shifts in the world, from populism to feminism.

— Helen Lewis (@helenlewis) March 29, 2019


What a loss.

gyac, Friday, 29 March 2019 15:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

PLEASE RT: Today I have obtained a Court Order compelling Mumsnet Limited @MumsnetTowers to release the identification details of one of their users. The days of defaming, abusing, And harassing #transgender people on #Mumsnet behind the cloak of anonymity are over, #law pic.twitter.com/702YMg4vts

— Stephanie Hayden (@flyinglawyer73) April 8, 2019

could have gone in any number of threads but duck it, I’m posting it in this one.

The Times has been at the forefront of this shit in the broadsheets - I’m sure Janice Turner shits out another piece each week - and mumsnet has been an absolute shitshow of this for a long time. I’m not exaggerating when I say some of the discourse on there is too fucking awful even by the standards of k*w*farms.

Today the Times posted an absolute disgrace of a story - after them making up so many things the last year I’m not inclined to give them any benefit of the doubt - and this headline was fucking disgraceful. This is section 28 scaremongering again, and it has real consequences for the safety of trans people in the UK.

The Times: Calls to end transgender ‘experiment on children’ #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/tXBPlAtlYS

— Helena Lee (@BBCHelenaLee) April 7, 2019

tl;dr fuck the Timea, fuck Mumsnet, I wish only bad things on them.

gyac, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I had a meeting once in a Sure Start centre down the road. On the walls were blue tacked up inspirational quotes from anon from Mumsnet, Jo Cox and Steve Jobs!

calzino, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:23 (one week ago) Permalink

times is a rag

... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:23 (one week ago) Permalink


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