Additional Details Also Known As: Clover (USA) (fake working title) Cloverfield (USA) (fake working title)
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― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link
the preview for this was awesome
― HI DERE, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link
lots of interesting speculation on it here.
is it a Lost tie-in? godzilla sequel? fucking VOLTRON?!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
also, re: the date shown at the end of the trailer
http://www.1-18-08.com/
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
pls let it be voltron k bye
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^ yes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
it would be pretty awesome if it was godzilla.
i will be very disappointed if it's some lost bullshit.
― ghost rider, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link
voltron would be awesome too obv
Plot thickens.
Paramount says they have "no idea what this movie is," though apparently cloverfieldmovie.com redirected to Paramount for a while. That redirect has now disappeared. Bootlegs of the trailer that have popped up on YouTube have been removed "due to a copyright claim by Paramount Pictures Corporation."
The most consistent rumor seems to be that this is going to involve some kind of giant monster called "The Parasite" attacking NY, and that the entire movie will be shot with handhelds (!).
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link
how horrible would voltron be if it was entirely done from this perspective:
http://www.1-18-08.com/1-18-08.jpg
― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
lolol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link
thats cool that rosario dawson and the daughter from too close for comfort are in it
― chaki, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah actually i'm kind of thinking this will be v annoying when drawn out beyond mysterious trailer length. why the fuck would i want to watch godzilla destroying new york on DV??
― ghost rider, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, i'm already over this movie
― jeff, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah I'm hoping the "all DV" rumor is a buncha bullshit.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost haha and i thought the backlash to the iphone was fast...
― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
haha this isn't backlash, i have no love for jj abrams
― ghost rider, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link
is tom cruise involved in this like he was in mi:3? maybe the monster is the psychiatric industry?
― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
i think it's a dramatic adaptation of LOOSE CHANGE
― ghost rider, Thursday, 5 July 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link
NOT LOST, NOT VOLTRON
― rogermexico., Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Drew Goddard is awesome, j.j. abrams is not.
― Melissa W, Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Melissa W OTM re Drew Goddard
― rogermexico., Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.ethanhaaswasright.com/
― jergïns, Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i can't find the trailer anywhere now
― jergïns, Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link
If you're receiving this auto-response message it means that I've gone into hiding. You should be careful now, too. They're likely to start coming after all of us in an attempt to keep the balance of power in their favor. But remember, as our numbers increase as a group, the weaker they'll become.
As you recruit new people to our cause, you might need to share this message as guidance for how to navigate the 5 locks to the key code...
1) The first lock will test your memory. Follow the trail of light and sound, but be careful -- one wrong move will send you back to the beginning.
2) For the second lock, you may need to look to the stars. They will help you find HAAS who will lead your way.
3) The third lock will require you to extinguish all lights but one. Only with one light remaining will you be able to proceed.
4) The fourth lock will let you move all 4 pieces through the control of one. However, unless the three key pieces are simultaneously placed into position, you will not be granted access.
5) The fifth lock will be the toughest. Seek help again from the stars to reveal your key and the message that you must decode. The two working together will open the way.
Good luck.
Van
― chaki, Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link
This shit is keeping me from studying for finals.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link
got through the first and saw the creepy video
― jergïns, Thursday, 5 July 2007 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link
"be sure to drink your ovaltine"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
It keeps getting stuck loading. I get nine lights and then it stops.
Here's the text for the page listed in the cache:
war came, no longer from the elemental nor from the star's rain of fire. The world was again remade, and the glow was as the coming of the sun upon the Earth. The children of the gods were again too few, scattered and divided and among them walked the ancients and those whose thoughts were not as to the towers and the marvels, but to the End and the destruction of the Earth and to the fires from which nothing could escape.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link
mouse over the star on the right for a cypher
no idea how to use the ball to spell things (what to spell?) though
― jeff, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
matching pairs of letters horizontically with pairs vertically doesn't seem to do anything
― jergïns, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link
spell out H and A on the vertical wheels and then find the block with A and S on the horizontal wheel
― jeff, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
then you have to jump the lights over each other to erase them
― jeff, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link
dude you are a puzzle fiend
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link
etc etc the beginning is the end
― jeff, Friday, 6 July 2007 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
hint: waste of time
entertaining waste at least?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link
haha has anyone else noticed the links between this movie and the mediocre CBS sitcom "The Class" that was cancelled a few months ago?
on some movie news site's story about it (maybe cinematical?), a commenter pointed out that one of the girls in the trailer, also the face on the left on the 1-18-08.com photo, resembles Lizzy Caplan, the goth chick from <i>Mean Girls</i> who was also on "The Class." and the name of Jason Ritter's character on "The Class" was ETHAN HAAS. I don't think J.J. Abrams had anything to do with "The Class," but considering all his TV connections and the fact that the supposed director of this movie directed episodes of "Felicity," it's possible there's some weird link.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 6 July 2007 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link
THE CLASS: THE MOVIE IN THEATRES 1-18-08
― jeff, Friday, 6 July 2007 01:54 (sixteen years ago) link
confirmation that Caplan is in the movie here, and some more hints/info: http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 I totally have a crush on her and the only reason I felt the slightest bit bad about "The Class" getting cancelled was that she didn't seem to have any other major projects on the horizon, so I think this is cool news.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 6 July 2007 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I did see that Ritter's character was Haas, didn't catch the Lizzy Caplan bit.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Not to get all Morbs and shit, but what the fuck is wrong with you people?
― Oilyrags, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link
;_;
i really should know better
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
The lengths I will go to based on rumors of a Voltron movie.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link
we're all gonna look like fools when this turns out to be just some more shit about that Nine Inch Nails album.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahaha
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I would consider NIN much more deserving of this hype than a fucking Voltron movie.
Now if it was about Lincoln Logs or Erector Set, that would be completely different.
― Oilyrags, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Are you telling me you will not ride for the Defender of the Universe?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link
What evidence is there that it's fucking Voltron? Doesn't it seem too soon after the Transformers?
― calstars, Friday, 6 July 2007 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link
If you mean Voltron, Hoos, I won't even ride a shetland pony for that folding robot toy bullshit.
― Oilyrags, Friday, 6 July 2007 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link
it's not Voltron or Godzilla, those were just early theories when people were grasping at straws trying to figure out what this is.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 6 July 2007 03:44 (sixteen years ago) link
^ si
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 03:45 (sixteen years ago) link
but hoos does not stand for voltron slander
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 July 2007 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8111/im4upeaches1uq7.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6184/im4upeaches1qu3.jpg
― Oilyrags, Friday, 6 July 2007 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry about the shit quality. Scanner's busted, so I had to use a digicam.
― Oilyrags, Friday, 6 July 2007 04:04 (sixteen years ago) link
if it's really Cthulhu, I am already going http://www.hauntingmids.com/forum/Smileys/default/ohnoessmiley.gif
― rogermexico., Friday, 6 July 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, read on aintitcool that it was lovecraft. i don't believe it.
― Gukbe, Friday, 6 July 2007 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
looks like rose byrne on the left, to me
― gff, Friday, 6 July 2007 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, read on aintitcool that it was lovecraft. i don't believe
hinted at on ...iswrong as well
― rogermexico., Friday, 6 July 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
there's a walkthrough of the ethan haas site if anyone cares spoilers, obv: http://jayisgames.com/archives/2007/07/ethan_haas_was_right.php
― dmr, Friday, 6 July 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
How proud should I be that I solved the peg jumping game on the first try? Does that make me smart or something?
― kenan, Friday, 6 July 2007 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/07/06/jj-abrams-finally-speaks%20-up-about-cloverfield/
― kenan, Friday, 6 July 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/11808/
― Gukbe, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
yay! Statue of Liberty head! yay!
― kenan, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
apparently the ethan haas site has nothing to do with jj abrams or the film
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I was really confused about that. The Abrams thing is clearly a monster movie, and the Ethan Haas thing is some kind of none-too-imaginative Terminator rip-off.
― kenan, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
ok, you know what? Reading AICN for more than 20 minutes? Depressing as shit.
― kenan, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
the key is to avoid all talkback and reviews
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
The key is to avoid AICN!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
otoh, I god a good lol at the fact that Harry didn't like the Transformers movie... because the subtle nuances of the personalities of the robots weren't brought out enough.
― kenan, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Funny to read all the analysis of the 1-18-08 photos, when they seem to be simple and clear: if the movie's hook is camcorder realism, this are just "before" and "after" stills. Not much to decode in them.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm kinda relieved that those puzzle websites supposedly have nothing to do with the movie, it all seemed kind of lame, even though it blows a hole in the THE CLASS: THE MOVIE theory I was all into. Still, makes me wonder how/why those websites popped up and what they're about.
The problem with that one picture on 1-18-08.com is that it's way too close to the iconic Blair Witch Project scene with the camera angled up the girl's nose, that's the one comparison they should be working to avoid as much as possible.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
how did ppl decide they were connected in the first place? several articles mentioned the trailer and the websites together but I didn't quite get where the link between the two came from.
― dmr, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/07/09/jj-abrams-says-ethan-haas-has-nothing-to-do-with-cloverfield/
the slusho stuff at the end is kind of weird? a lot of people make fake "in-show/movie" sites these days though.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
the people I know who are working on this movie won't tell me anything beyond that its a monster film - BAH
if its Lovecraft I kinda can't see how it will be anything other than completely shitty - Lovecraft in general cannot be translated to film effectively.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Interesitng how everyone seems to assume it's based on something else. Isn't it possible that the guy who came up with Lost and Felicity and a guy who wrote for those shows have come up with an original screenplay?
― Eazy, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, and it just plain doesn't make any sense to build this much secrecy and ambiguity around a project if it's actually a pre-existing franchise from previous TV shows or movies.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Clearly this is Snakes on a Plane II: The Revenge.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
BUT it would be a good way to prevent six months' worth of fanboy naysaying if it involves a really beloved/cult franchise (like Voltron or Cthulhu). Just playing devil's advocate, though. There's some argument that it's actually for a tabletop RPG.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Alpha Omega
Mind Storm Lab’s flagship product, Alpha Omega, is a thrilling, comprehensive, and adaptable role-playing game. Alpha Omega provides players a unique and innovative rule set with optional layers of complexity. These optional rules are presented to add realism and strategy, but can be set aside to simplify and expedite game play.
Players find themselves in a richly detailed, post-apocalyptic Earth where mankind stands on the brink of extinction. Our planet is about to become the battleground for otherworldly creatures of incredible power as they wage an ancient war. The End of Times seems to have arrived. Are angels and demons walking among us, or is there a larger chain of events unfolding? All is not lost... Alliances are forming and mankind is learning to evolve and unlock its hidden potential... Heroes are emerging... heroes like you.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Mind Storm Labs—Ottawa Based Game Developer—Launches with Venture Capital Partner and New Approach to Table-Top Role Playing Games
venture capital?? for a table top rpg??
― gff, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
a really beloved/cult franchise (like Voltron or Cthulhu)
but afaik there are really no Cthulhu fanboys as such... heck, afaik the "Cthulhu mythos" was never really elaborated very far in Lovecraft and generally existed on the fringes. Mike Mignola's version is probably the most clear and consistent.
― rogermexico., Tuesday, 10 July 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
clearly you are not that into cthulhu.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Lovecraft has a huge following what are you talking about
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
There's a good bit of Cthulhu mythos stuff from writers in the Lovecraft circle, Derleth, and even a tabletop rpg!
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm really hoping this is something cthuloid now
― gff, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I kind of highly doubt it.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Are angels and demons walking among us, or is there a larger chain of events unfolding?
Uh, what?
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
GO WITH IT.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, the silent, B&W "Call of Cthulhu" fanfilm with 20s period fx is pretty nifty.
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
http://imdb.com/title/tt0478988/
Srsly, if you are into tentacle monsters (without anime rape) check it out!
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
slusho website: http://www.slusho.jp dood in the trailer wearing slusho shirt dood who's party it is going to japan. probably to go work fr slusho. ?????
MYSTERY!
― chaki, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
good catch chaki.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
GABBO
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
slusho trucks have been spotted around la.
― chaki, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
clearly you are not that into cthulhu
On the basis of Lovecraft alone, one really can't be, is all I'm saying. Everything else is fanfic.
Uh, yeah, that's not lost on me. They get this: http://www.cthulhuthemovie.com/ It features Tori Spelling...
But Chthulu is more of an idea than e.g. an actual toy giant robot assembled from toy robot lions. Which if there's still some fatbeard out there clinging to the hope that Untitled JJ Abrams Project is in any way Voltron-related... well, just grrr.
― rogermexico., Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
But Chthulu is more of an idea than e.g. an actual toy giant robot assembled from toy robot lions.
this is my favorite thing you've ever said
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
But Chthulu is more of an idea than e.g. an actual toy giant robot assembled from toy robot lions
yep - which is exactly why it is a horrible idea to make a film about it. Point taken about the scanty source material - its true Lovecraft didn't write a lot about it (certainly not in any detail, that's not his style).
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I mean, if this movie WAS about Cthulhu it'd basically be "A monster attacks NYC, and that monster is Cthulhu" judging by the trailer.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I mean, if this movie WAS about Cthulhu it'd basically be "A monster attacks NYC, and that monster is Cthulhu" and he teaches them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.
I'm starting to come over to the i-hope-it's-not-cthulhu side. But that would still be better than fucking Voltron.
― rogermexico., Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
he teaches them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.
Been there.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
this movie had better be good because all the mystery has got me in a tizzy
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i watched some nerd's analysis of all the footage on youtube last night.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:46 (sixteen years ago) link
by "footage" i mean the trailer, whoops
Which if there's still some fatbeard out there clinging to the hope that Untitled JJ Abrams Project is in any way Voltron-related... well, just grrr.
-- rogermexico., Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:45 PM
:(((
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't have a beard anymore...
I am shamed :(
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link
"If you feelin like a geek, go on brush ya shoulders off" etc
I sent an email to their "Contact Us" link, got the following reply:
From: sato✧✧✧@slu✧✧✧.j✧ Subject: [Auto-Reply] Happy!
Slusho! loves your mails!! You Can't Drink Just Six!!!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I hate this stupid crap. GABBO comment OTM.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I've got a screencap of the full "Slusho History" page, but it's crazy large and I don't want to slow down the thread's load time.
Here's a link.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link
OK so I'm a geek. Roll with me on this, though.
The Whois info for 1-18-08.com lists the registrant as "In Hoc Signo Vinces." The phrase means "in this sign you will conquer" and is part of the Scottish Rite Freemason's crest.
The contact address listed is for the George Washington Masonic National Memorial in DC. "In Hoc Signo Vinces" is inscribed on the memorial.
Albert Pike is listed as the site admin. He was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite of Freemasons. His writings are often used as sources to support conspiracy theories about the Masons. He's real dead and probably not administrating any viral websites for JJ Abrams.
I'm sensing a pattern. Or maybe throwing in the fucking MASONS is a joke on geeks like me that are trying way too hard to find a pattern where there isn't one.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
The phone number listed in the Whois gives you weather info for an airfield in Santa Monica that used to be called Cloverfield (!).
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 01:15 (sixteen years ago) link
The Masons, always throwing in undercurrents of conspiracy where in fact none is to be found.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link
that's exactly what a Mason would say
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Abbott, Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:17 AM
yeah, could be abrams' way of laughing at me.
everyone else laughs at me in much simpler ways, though.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Masons are all like 90-year-old dudes who just need an excuse to get together and be frail in one another's company.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link
But they made Steve Gutenberg a star.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link
A 'nothing not already known but anyway' entry of info via the LA Times:
The Mystery: What's that trailer running in front of "Transformers" all about?The Sleuths: The movie geeks of Aint It Cool News and 1-18-08.com.The Facts: A shaky home movie shows a going-away party, then a mysterious creature decapitates the Statue of Liberty and makes New York explode. Its working title is "Cloverfield" and it comes out Jan. 18. Oh, and it's produced by "Lost" co-creator J.J. Abrams.The Theories: It's either a new Godzilla movie, an adaptation of the works of H.P. Lovecraft or a new "Voltron" movie. Two websites -- ethanhaaswasright.com and ethanhaaswaswrong.blogspot.com -- were initially thought to be associated with the film, but Abrams himself has since disproved that, while also hinting at other websites still undiscovered.Chance of Being Solved: Abrams has promised to reveal the movie's proper title very soon. Other than that, we'll to wait until January.
The Sleuths: The movie geeks of Aint It Cool News and 1-18-08.com.
The Facts: A shaky home movie shows a going-away party, then a mysterious creature decapitates the Statue of Liberty and makes New York explode. Its working title is "Cloverfield" and it comes out Jan. 18. Oh, and it's produced by "Lost" co-creator J.J. Abrams.
The Theories: It's either a new Godzilla movie, an adaptation of the works of H.P. Lovecraft or a new "Voltron" movie. Two websites -- ethanhaaswasright.com and ethanhaaswaswrong.blogspot.com -- were initially thought to be associated with the film, but Abrams himself has since disproved that, while also hinting at other websites still undiscovered.
Chance of Being Solved: Abrams has promised to reveal the movie's proper title very soon. Other than that, we'll to wait until January.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:44 (sixteen years ago) link
STATUE OF LIBERTY YOR HEAD A SPLODE: the movie
― Abbott, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, this is obviously the Trek prequel.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Rob confronts the monster, sacrifices his emotion to destroy it, the remaining bits become the Klingons, Rob is Spock's grandfather and Rosario Dawson founds Starfleet. Easy.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmm, Matt Reeves:
Director: 4. "Felicity" (5 episodes, 1998-2001) - The Declaration (2001) TV Episode - The Slump (2000) TV Episode - Felicity Was Here (1999) TV Episode - The Last Stand (1998) TV Episode - Pilot (1998) TV Episode
4. "Felicity" (5 episodes, 1998-2001) - The Declaration (2001) TV Episode - The Slump (2000) TV Episode - Felicity Was Here (1999) TV Episode - The Last Stand (1998) TV Episode - Pilot (1998) TV Episode
I take it back.
She was turned down for grad school in New York...
She wanted revenge.
FELICITY: THE MOVIE
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link
am I the only one who watched that trailer and thought the movie was about NY being bombed to hell by another country?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 05:36 (sixteen years ago) link
So Albert Pike was a Satanist who communicated with Lucifer and received a vision that laid out plans for three world wars that would result in the downfall of Christianity, Zionism, Islam, and Atheism and the rise of a New World Order.
That Statue of Liberty was based on Isis, Egyptian goddess and wife of Osiris, and was given to the American Freemasons by the French Freemasons as a gift in honor of the Declaration of Independence. The 1-18-08 trailer premiered with Transformers for the July 4th weekend, and 1-18-08 = 18-1-8 = ISIS and the Statue is beheaded in the trailer.
The Woolworth Building is also show being destroyed. Unless you've forgotten, missiles were fired from its roof at the WTC on 9/11. The Freemasons were behind all of that too, as it's part of Pike's plans for World War 3.
― Kerm, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link
ISIS and the Statue
Great tour.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 05:47 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 09:39 (sixteen years ago) link
as it's part of Pike's plans for World War 3.
Christopher Pike being the original captain of the Enterprise in the pilot for Star Trek.
FULL CIRCLE
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 10:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Presumably Pike's plans for WWIII were not told to anyone.
― aldo, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link
"Red herring" is the phrase I was groping for yesterday. The Masons=red herring. Abrams has already suggested there are gonna be a lot of film-related game sites in the next 6 months, maybe this is his way of saying "ay don't fuck around with the whois bullshit. wild goose chase."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link
film-related sites, yes, but considering that he refuted the significance of the Ethan Haas games, I don't know if there really will be any Cloverfield game sites, probably just more ambiguous puzzle pieces like Slusho.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link
xp - I hope so. Occult Freemasons and Illumnati = boooring.
― Kerm, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
it's not boring! i would have never given enough of a fuck to look into this, but wtf if it's a red herring or not, this is all probably more entertaining than the movie will be. kudos on your whois skillz BIG HOOS aka the steendriver
― gff, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link
BIG WHOIS aka the puzzsolver
― jeff, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
It's the sequel to 23.
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link
24?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I am going to choose to believe Ned's theory
― mh, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link
gff: that occult secret fraternal order stuff can be pleanty cool by itself, but having it spawn a gigantic city-destroying monster to ruin some dudes going-away party and shooting it with video cameras sounds borediculous. How would you accomplish all that exposition? I'm not watching some kids google Albert Pike and the Statue of Liberty for half an hour - I did that yesterday.
― Kerm, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 21:33 (sixteen years ago) link
OMG I still need to see the Number 23. That shit looks hilarious. However, I doubt it will have the same impact now that I have turned 24.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
pleanty?
― Kerm, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not watching some kids google Albert Pike and the Statue of Liberty for half an hour - I did that yesterday.
-- Kerm, Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:33 PM
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 July 2007 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link
From the photos on the 1-18-08 website, it looks like it'll be a real-time story.
― Eazy, Friday, 13 July 2007 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Ooh, there's a 3rd photo on there now, too, that's new. I hope it is real-time or close to it, with none of the weird conspiracy-theory backstory that's being speculated on here. I like the idea of a disaster/monster movie that portrays the chaos and confusion that would actually be going on during a situation like that, not constantly letting the audience in on the truth that the characters can't see until the end or whatever.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 13 July 2007 04:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Wasn't that movie supposed to be Spielberg/Cruise War of the Worlds?
― Phil D., Friday, 13 July 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Haha I almost used that as a point of comparison. That movie really kinda gave me nightmares, I hope this one does something similiar but more immersive and visceral.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 13 July 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Besides, Cthulhu already attacked NYC and the Ghostbusters had to clean up. YouTube here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xXX_HrgX0LQ
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
you sir are a hero.
― jessie monster, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
a+ homie
xpost
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link
awesome *salutes*
― latebloomer, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
is it me or is cartoon janine really foxy
― latebloomer, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Ernie Hudson, who had played Winston Zeddemore in the Ghostbusters films, auditioned for the same role in The Real Ghostbusters, but ultimately the role was given to Arsenio Hall.[2]
ouch
― latebloomer, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
that's one of those things that makes you say "hmmmm"
― jeff, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
WINSTON: Cthulhu, He's bad right? EGON: He makes Gozer look like Little Mary Sunshine!
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh MAN that cartoon is highly sampleable.
― Abbott, Friday, 13 July 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
"Spellcasting takes a lot out of one!"
― Abbott, Friday, 13 July 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
They misspelled WIERD TALES.
― Abbott, Friday, 13 July 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
"I didn't know the library had started hosting rock concerts."
And here's the perfect band.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link
NECRONOMITRON defender of the underverse
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm also loving the instant Warriors homage -- Coney Island destination, forced to take the subway...
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, NOBODY mentioned the J. Michael Straczynski story editor credit at the end yet? All of a sudden the whole thing makes perfect sense.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Where is that credit?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Watch all the way to the end, it clearly pops up about five credits in the closing sequence.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link
HI DERE WAHT IS AWESOME
― rogermexico., Saturday, 14 July 2007 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link
A tsunami of internet hype months and months in advance before the inevitable cool down in buzz? Surely this is a tie-in not to Lost or Godzilla but Snakes on a Plane.
― Cunga, Saturday, 14 July 2007 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
9NEWS Entertainment Reporter Kirk Montgomery learned exclusively on Friday from a secret source, who is on the set of the film every day, that it is not a sequel or a remake (which precludes King Kong or Godzilla). It is not Voltron or "Lost"-related.
The source told Kirk the entire film will be presented through a handheld video camera, as in the style of the trailer. All of the actors involved had not seen scripts when they signed on for the project and are under strict legal gag-orders not to discuss any aspect of the film.
The source says 50 percent of the $30 million budget for the film is devoted to special effects.
The official Web site is www.1-18-08.com, but the source tells Kirk that apparently a Japanese-style Web site, www.slusho.jp, has lots of clues yet undiscovered by the rabid fans who have been scouring the Internet for hints.
The source told Kirk the biggest clue of the trailer is in the line: "I saw it, it's alive, it's huge."
The source also says the sound the "creature" makes is another big clue. He says the creature is an organic, living thing.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 15 July 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
GIANT POKEMON DESTROYS NYC.
― jessie monster, Sunday, 15 July 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
haha
― s1ocki, Sunday, 15 July 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Saying the "it's alive..." line is the biggest clue in the trailer is basically saying there are NO clues of significance in the trailer.
― jessie monster, Sunday, 15 July 2007 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
true dat
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 15 July 2007 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://myspace.com/wellmissyourob
legit or false rob?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:12 (sixteen years ago) link
rob loves mstrkrft
― max, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link
hoos figure out slusho.jp for me
You know all the talk about "Slusho Zoom?"
I'm hearing some speculation that we should...zoom. Look closer at the images on the site itself?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Anybody capable of translating that text on wellmissyourob?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link
The directions re: the wallpapers include "Slusho Zoom!" as the final instruction. xpost to self
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's that text from the MySpace:
http://a728.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/87/m_46b51003782c906817a382a431eb34ef.gif
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link
surely reads "you are a dweeb fuck off"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I love how the top commenter is a total stickler for realism:
"JT.
Jul 17 2007 2:42P
i'll be there... but i thought the party was on the 17th?"
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link
btw guys if you haven't seen it yet here's the trailer.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link
mirror image? y slash n
http://xf4.xanga.com/f5ad855542032136149336/t99830791.bmp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link
There are a couple of kanji I don't recognize, but one of them means "bug" or "insect".
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link
SuperBee
On 01-18-08 New York gets buzzed!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I think slusho.jp history might be an origin story. at least in terms of "lol it from DA SEA"
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
So apparently they were doing some filming at Coney Island.
A guy @ Coney Island that authorized filming (and chose to remain unnamed) gave the press what seems to be some pretty crucial plotting stuff, but its just as likely its a line he was fed by producers. For the sake of not-spoiling-the-game in case its true, encased in spoiler tags:
POSSIBLE SPOILER POSSIBLE SPOILER POSSIBLE SPOILER POSSIBLE SPOILER POSSIBLE SPOILER
Dude says that the majority of the film is in "flashback" form. The sequences being filmed at Coney Island will be events that take place the morning/afternoon before an alien (!) shows up and wipes out all of New York.
POSSIBLE SPOILERPOSSIBLE SPOILERPOSSIBLE SPOILERPOSSIBLE SPOILERPOSSIBLE SPOILER
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Yay! It IS Cthulhu!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
The trailer makes it seem like none of it will be in flashback.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
The fact that the myspace background image is lifted from http://www.ywca.or.jp/english/japan.gif makes me think it's a fake.
― John Justen, Thursday, 19 July 2007 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah maybe this person thinks any piece of fiction telling a story in past tense is a 'flashback.' or maybe (I hope not) there'll be some lame bookend bit where some survivor finds the camera and plays back the recording.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 19 July 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
there'll be some lame bookend bit where some survivor finds the camera and plays back the recording.
this cringeworthy thing has also been suggested as a possibility.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 July 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
And then the survivor turns to the rest of the cast of Lost and says, "So that's why I went on vacation."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
explains_everything.jpeg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 July 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4494/martialrb0.png
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 July 2007 00:40 (sixteen years ago) link
iszat an army guy?
― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 23 July 2007 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link
So it would seem that the title is "Monstrous":
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2007/07/jj_abrams_cloverfield_mystery_solved.html
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Cloverfield sounds better.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Behemoth is the primal unconquerable monster of the land, as Leviathan is the primal monster of the waters of the sea and Ziz the primordial monster of the sky.
This just makes me excited about the next Mastodon album.
― kenan, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not really ready to take "bleary comic book poster submitted to teh internet" as evidence of anything.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Shit I'd been discounting all that Leviathan/Ziz/Behemoth shit cause it seemed...too fanboy-driven?
But then I forget that Abrams' stock in trade is introducing wacky shit (that Nostradamus/DaVinci mythos, a monster on an island) into kinda-realist premises (government agent tries to live life, vacationers crash).
Abrams is Jewish. All of a sudden this is seeming plausible. I will be kinda upset if this guy "got it" with these meager clues and I was sitting here waiting on more scraps.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
considering they're hiding the monster, I kind of think even if someone did figure it out, they'd immediately change what the monster is.
something's probably going to go down at Comic Con on Thursday.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
A monster kills a bunch of fanboys? Dare I dream?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe its rimbaldi
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
http://bristol.indymedia.org/attachments/jan2006/300px-Statue_of_liberty_in_planet_of_the_apes.jpg
THIS IMAGE HAS SOLVED TEH MYSTERY IT ARE PLANET OF TEH APES PREQUEL.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link
American remake of "The Host" k thx what do I win?
― Øystein, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
...you know, that might not be so off an idea.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link
-- jessie monster, Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:50 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
wait, you think that a movie in the middle of production would just up and change a huge part of the movie the moment that someone on the internet figured out what it was going to be? or that they'd even be able to do such a thing? for someone named jessie monster you don't know shit about monsters.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
they're in the middle of production? they're still casting.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Am I the only one who thinks it would be awesome if on 1-18-08, the movie released is a buddy comedy, and Abrams was just fucking with all of us?
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
no, that would be awesome.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
J. J. Abrams presents "Dumberer and Dumbererer"?
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe it is a Honey I Blew Up the Kids remake
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
THAT WOULD BE SWEET
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
He's insisted that it's not a remake of or sequel to anything.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
That was directed at The Host comment, not the Honey I Blew Up the Kids comment.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw Honey I Blew Up the Kids in the theatre. I remember my favorite part was the animated title credits.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
-- jessie monster, Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:17 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
??? -- several cast members have been confirmed already, there have been several sightings and rumors of Slusho trucks in LA and New York (even some video footage surfaced recently), not to mention the fact that this thing comes out in less than 6 months and they already had enough footage to release a trailer weeks ago, wtf are you talking about.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
uh, you win?
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link
haha sorry if i came off all apoplectic there, i just have no idea where you got the "still casting" thing from
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link
read an article today where some Alias dude said he was just cast. my general point on the changing the monster bit (which maybe isn't HORRIBLY dumb if they haven't done the CGI unless it's a dude in a suite--WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME--but I am not known for undumbness) was more that there's no way in hell they're going to let some dude figure out what it is 6 months before release. talk about buzzkill.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're still casting some supporting roles, but it sounds like production's been in full gear for a while now. anyway, if the monster is some mythological/Biblical thing, who cares if someone susses that out early, that wouldn't really tell us much about the movie at all. what would really spoil things if someone leaked what it looked like or the ending or some major plot development.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
haha ok what's the hint in the news about said Alias dude being cast:
Former "Alias" and current "Heroes" star Greg Grunberg tells TV Guide that he'll be appearing in J.J. Abrams' secret movie 1-18-08.
One movie that Abrams is casting Grunberg in is the buzzerific disaster flick known only by its myriad working titles (i.e., Cloverfield, 1-18-08, Slusho). "It'll probably be something where no one will be able to tell it's me," he said. "As you know, J.J. calls me his good-luck charm, so he's got to put me in there somewhere. I actually went to the set the other night, and it was really exciting and cool. The budget is not astronomical. But they're doing incredible things."
"no one will be able to tell it's me" = lol it IS gonna be a guy in a monster suit!
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
haaaaa good catch
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Cue Godzilla riff:
"Duh-nuh-DUH-NUH!"
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Lost was an original idea within a familiar genre (stranded on a desert isle). There's no reason to think that this isn't the same concept: an original story within the monster-movie genre.
― Eazy, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
A guy in a MOTION-CAPTURE suit oh wait.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah that's been my assumption all along, too, Eazy
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm sure that's precisely what it is, I'm just interested in the mythos clues he's handing us cause I'm a geek like that.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.tokyodisneyresort.co.jp/tdl/images/pg/tomorrow/tomorrow_atr05_ph1.jpg
I HAS SOLVED IT.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
is he chewin on some fat testicle there?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
i probably shouldn't have said that, huh?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Hey, look, a question no one ever wanted to see in print!
xpost ha!
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Just leaked from the abrams camp:
http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/compdiff/monsterc.jpg
ZOMBIECAT WILL DESTROY US ALL.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
aggressive zombiecat is aggressive?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think it really particularly matters *what* the monster is - it's fairly obvious that the spin on this film is that it's going to be from the POV of random bystanders.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://barros.rusf.ru/img/dorogajajauvelichilrebenka1992still01.jpg
FACT: Keri Russell had a role in Honey I Blew Up the Kid and later went on to star in JJ ABRAMS-PRODUCED Felicity.
COINCIDENCE?
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
jessie monster bringin the TRUFAX
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link
if this had anything to do with giant toddlers I'd quit my job and get in line right now.
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
http://xenafan.com/movies/ghostbusters/crowd.jpg
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I never realized that was Columbus Circle.
― Eazy, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.hundland.com/posters/i/TheIronGiant.jpg
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
They changed the date at the bottom just to throw us off the scent.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Abrams_1-18-08.jpg">
Burning skyscrapers, a destroyed NYC monument, and a date. I THINK I SOLVED THE RIDDLE.
― da croupier, Sunday, 29 July 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link
fuuuck
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Abrams_1-18-08.jpg
awes
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 29 July 2007 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
New Planet of the Apes!!!
― milo z, Sunday, 29 July 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
looks like there's something moving in the water there
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 29 July 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
obviously jimmy wales is a mason
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 29 July 2007 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39027000/jpg/_39027407_abfab-bbc-203index.jpg
― Kim, Sunday, 29 July 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
good god
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 29 July 2007 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahah. It all comes around.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 July 2007 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL
― latebloomer, Sunday, 29 July 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
i just hope whatever the monster is it isn't stupid looking
Kim wins.
― rogermexico., Sunday, 29 July 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Uh, guys:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=201275979
― John Justen, Sunday, 29 July 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Did anyone flip over the new photo yet? The back says:
January 2008 Lascano, Platt, and Robbie
Jamie Lascano: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=217778567 Hudson Platt: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=201294483
Robbie is the guy above.
― John Justen, Sunday, 29 July 2007 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Anybody having any luck with the ubiquitous "augie" shirt?
― John Justen, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link
these are the characters in the movie or something?
― latebloomer, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, now when you go to the slusho site, you can click on flavors, and you get to make your own slusho by combining flavors. Waht?
xpost: yeah, it looks like it.
― John Justen, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link
SLusho "happy talk" now operational as well.
― John Justen, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link
And we can now buy slusho apparel from the slusho store. Gee thanks.
― John Justen, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
wow, MySpace added GoogleAds. Just when you thought it couldn't get uglier.
― milo z, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I finally know what this thread is about, I saw the trailer before Transformers last week. Also a film in which New York is wiped out with Will Smith, and a film with a desolate Las Vegas starring Milla Jovovich. You think there's a zeitgeist?
― I know, right?, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm tempted to go see that new Milla Jovovich Resident Evil movie.
― milo z, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link
The trailer is pretty good. Is it paris? Is it Cairo? Is it Rome? No, it's Vegas BABY!
― I know, right?, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Hudson Platt is a Bills fan, so this is pretty much already my favorite movie ever.
― rogermexico., Monday, 30 July 2007 03:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe the monster is Jim Kelly.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 July 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1097/207002blackbeltjonesposub6.jpg
We can only hope!
― rogermexico., Monday, 30 July 2007 04:34 (sixteen years ago) link
lol hudson is a member of the kiss army
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 July 2007 05:47 (sixteen years ago) link
a++ good work john, well done
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 July 2007 05:52 (sixteen years ago) link
they have done myspace pages for the characters in the film, or those are the actors' myspaces?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 30 July 2007 08:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Those are the characters' names, not the actors' names on the pages.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 30 July 2007 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I sure hope you guys win a hat or something if you "unlock the mystery."
― da croupier, Monday, 30 July 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
lol yeah I kinda look around every once in a while to see what the latest speculation on this movie is, but I feel no motivation to do any legwork on it myself. if there really is anything to figure out, someone smarter/nerdier will do it first, I just want the movie to be good.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 30 July 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/17500/500ft-Kitten--17640.jpg
― John Justen, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 05:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Apparently the title is Colossus.
― Mikey Bidness, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 07:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd heard it was going to be "Monstrous"
― Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link
JJ, yr silence speaks volumes. (wtf is this? ilx bug or what happens when an image gets deleted?)
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
John Justen Abrams. He's TOYING with us.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Does this mean my "kitten attacking skyscraper" image won't hotlink? t (o_O) t.
― John Justen, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Your back. Let me got it.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8517/500ftkitten176401ms1.jpg
― rogermexico., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
they were shooting this around the corner from my apt tonight. wandered around the set for a bit -- very surreal. they blew up the lower east side! took a bunch of pictures. will post on my flickr tomorrow.
btw, the signs reserving parking and everything for the crew listed the title of the movie as "cheese."
― YGS, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link
some pix (which aren't all that revealing or interesting) here.
― YGS, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
CHEESE
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I await the ping pong scene with bated breath!
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
LEVIATHAN GIGANATON BEHEMOTH SLUSHO: THE MOVIE
― Abbott, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
: CHEESE
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1396/970468286_10526b9914.jpg
This intrigues me. Is this just some sort of perspective trick, or was the street actually buckled upwards, like something had burrowed beneath it?
― John Justen, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
street was not buckled. just weird perspective. i was expecting 5,000,000 "yay jj abrams blew up the les" posts.
― YGS, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
More to the point: there's going to be a ping pong game in the movie!?!?
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
dude...
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay I'm ususally the guy who comes in and makes the obvious joke after someone else has already done it so this is making me super happy.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
the movie is a remake of the seventh seal except the monster plays ping pong with the dudes instead of chess. LITTLE KNOWN FACT.
― YGS, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought it was a remake of bill&ted2
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Someone photoshop that poster with "EXCELLENT" replacing "MONSTROUS" kthxbye
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
God may not play dice with the universe, but Cthulu does enjoy a good round of table tennis.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
shit. last night i had planned on starting a rumor that i overheard a conversation between ad's about this being the new thundercats movie. or that someone with a bullhorn called out "cheetara to her mark!"
― YGS, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
"snarf needs a latte!"
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Flavor-making on the Slusho site is more fun than I expected. Giant Mechas of taste!
― patita, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link
New feed from the rumor mill:
Some posters were produced that said "Monstrous", some that said "Furious". New speculation on it being called "Overnight" HERE
― John Justen, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
wow, i'm going to be so excited when i find out what the real one-word title of this movie is.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
(For those of you whose trust I have damaged over the past few days, I promise that isn't a link to walloginas.jpg.)
― John Justen, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
haha d'oh.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, I'm spending way too much time on this, but if you search myspace for "Satoshi Kagashima" (the fake whois person for the slusho page), you get this result http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=214506533. To keep with the wild speculation, Ardois-Bonnot is a Lovecraft character, and the headline/quote is from Alfred Pike, who also shows up on the whois for slusho.jp. Also has some odd map on it, and some machine language/code (unless that's the HD DVD crack). Before you all start getting worried about me, I'm grabbing some of this info from other sites.
Of course, none of this probably means anything, but I'm bored at work, so whatever.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
It's some monster from Maynard of Tool's vineyard in Arizona. Figures.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link
gah i never would have thought to search myspace for satoshi
christ i'm on a first name basis with a virally marketed fictional character
kill me
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Abrams @ ComicCon:
“I want a monster movie, I've wanted one for so long. I was in Japan with my son and all he wanted to do is go to toy stores. And we saw all these Godzilla toys, and I thought, we need our own monster, and not King Kong, King Kong's adorable. I wanted something that was just insane and intense. It's almost done shooting and I watch dailies and I'm more excited for them than the trailer, which has had an overwhelming response. We have 6 months before this comes out. We're going to have a whole bunch of things, a whole bunch more." He said a full trailer, more clips, full posters, and much more will be coming out over the next 6 months, including the name, which he will NOT reveal today.
“You think we'd call it Monstrous? No…"
Some of those other posters mentioned upthread:
http://bp1.blogger.com/_wvoLtwni0kc/Rqtz-NKIC0I/AAAAAAAAKRE/ReVUECcB9yA/s1600-h/1-18-08+furious.jpg http://bp1.blogger.com/_wvoLtwni0kc/Rqtz-NKIC1I/AAAAAAAAKRM/QlLncDVZk6Y/s200/1-18-08+terrifying.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Lawdy... they're not titles, just descriptives... like, y'know... shocking! scary! enormous!
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link
this is going to turn out to be the best monster movie in hoostery
― jeff, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe the name is Humungous and it's the bad guy from The Road Warrior.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:44 (sixteen years ago) link
lol I hope this image works:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8092/11808newposterhs7.png
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 2 August 2007 13:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahah
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link
The stuff on the profile is zip codes corresponding to the map with the travel lines. It's places he's been.
― jessie monster, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link
actually, I'm wrong. only the first couple i randomly tried are valid zip codes. I think it's probably a fake anyway though. If any sort of "game" was going to start I'd think they'd make the start of it fairly obvious. So far this just looks like a way to set up characterization so we're attached to the characters going in--if the movie's really being told from the perspective of the people filming it, they won't have a lot of time to set up characterization in the actual film.
― jessie monster, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i think it's just a way to keep people talking about their movie. if they need internet games to get across characterization this movie is going to reek.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Characterisation? Why would you want that?
The only characterisation I'd want to see in a film like this is the monster doing the running man whenever it destroys a landmark...
― Stone Monkey, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
so yr sad when they get squished!
― jessie monster, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
All you need to know about the characters is that Rob is like your main dude.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
also he is leaving.
― jessie monster, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
or is he.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
*BOOM*
― jessie monster, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i quite like the leviathan/behemoth/air-creature theory, esp if it's just subtext and never talked about in the film. ("Oh look, we just bumped into a hasid! What's that, rebbe? The three monsters clearly correspond to the apocalyptic trio in the halachah? Blimey! Let's pore through some hebrew texts together!"
i also hope that this ends in a scary/unresolved way, blair witch style, and not with, uh, victory of any kind.
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope Hollywood stops thinking that, post-9/11, they need to show the real-life ramifications of a monster attack.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Um, GOJIRA to thread?
― rogermexico., Thursday, 2 August 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
ya rly
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, August 2, 2007 3:35 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link
-- jessie monster, Thursday, August 2, 2007 3:35 PM
plus he's like your main dude.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://englishrussia.com/images/personal_moon/7.jpg
alleged pics of the "monster"
― latebloomer, Friday, 3 August 2007 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe it's some kind of "pure energy" type of being?
― latebloomer, Friday, 3 August 2007 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/images/infosociety.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 August 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe try poking around that site
― jeff, Friday, 3 August 2007 04:50 (sixteen years ago) link
shhhhh
― latebloomer, Friday, 3 August 2007 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link
If I read reviews and it says the movie does not have a complete resolution then I will not see it. I do not want to have to go to a tie-in website three months later or go on a scavenger hunt - do you hear me Abrams???
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 3 August 2007 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
i wonder if this is the cinematic equivalent of that angel fossil episode of the simpsons
― latebloomer, Friday, 3 August 2007 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
No, as I said earlier, it's the cinematic equivalent of the GABBO episode of the Simpsons (except we know everything but the name instead of just the name).
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 3 August 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
it's the cinematic equivalent of people talking about a monster movie on the internet.
― s1ocki, Friday, 3 August 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
you just blew my mind
― latebloomer, Friday, 3 August 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
hey guys apparently the crew doesn't know what its called either
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/cloverfieldbag1.thumbnail.jpg
though tbh i'm burned out on this by now
bad job abrams.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 9 September 2007 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I read the one title as Chocolate Outback.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 September 2007 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link
new trailer up, which shows ... nothing new!
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link
except vaguely confirming that the title *might* be "overnight" and also hinting that everybody (not just the cast but ... everybody in new york?!?!) dies at the end
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
new photo on site http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/cloverfieldphoto6.jpg
on back http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/cloverfieldphoto6back.jpg
translation: Everybody, thank you for viewing! I’ll introduce this week’s delicious recipe. Please make sure to keep this one cold!
* Skinless chicken breast - 2, cut in halves * Sōmen noodles - 10 oz. * Watercress - 1/2 cup cut into small strips * Turnip - 1/2 cup, thinly sliced * Shiitake Mushrooms - 1/2 cup * Chicken stock - 1/3 cup * Sake - 2 tbsp. * Sugar - 1/2 tsp. * Deep-sea crab - one
In a small saucepan, stir together 1/3 cup water, chicken stock, sake, and sugar. Chill it until it becomes cold. Grill the chicken breast on both sides for about 8 minutes, and then chill. Boil the noodles for about 3 minutes, and then run under cold water until chilled. Mix the watercress, turnips, and mushrooms into the sōmen. Slice the chicken thinly and arrange on top of the sōmen mix. Just before you serve, put the crab in the sauce and pour over the noodles generously.
Go Go Delicious Chef!
#3912
via SlashFilm
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 29 September 2007 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link
oh man what does it mean?? maybe the movie is called thank you for viewing!!
― s1ocki, Saturday, 29 September 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link
If the movie's called Go Go delicious Chef I will see it on opening day.
― latebloomer, Saturday, 29 September 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
^
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 29 September 2007 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Forget that, somebody just make the recipe.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Perhaps it will reveal the secrets.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
the secret keyword is "ovaltine"
― da croupier, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link
A Cloverfield Story
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Monster gets its tongue stuck to the Statue of Liberty...
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 6, 2007 12:01 AM
xxpost
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link
haha hoos already made that joke xpost
― da croupier, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Monster can't put its arms down...
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Monster holds up part of the leg of the Statue, roars, "MY MAJOR AWARD!"
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 September 2007 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Yells at NYC "You used up all the glue...on PURPOSE!"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link
giant crab?!?
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 30 September 2007 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link
i had a dream about this movie where the twist of the plot turned out to be that it was some sort of mass hysteria virus, and the "it's alive, it's huge" was referring to a huge mob of people, like a huge hive-mind amoeba of people that were all infected by the same disease. but that's probably too close in spirit to a zombie movie to be the real movie.
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 30 September 2007 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
^ Also too good an idea to actually be made into a movie.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/30/f_tagruatom_ed6c91e.png
We may have a new viral site popping up here: Tagruato Corp.
According to the site, Tagruato is a "collective of top scientists, engineers, and businessmen committed to leading our investors and the whole of mankind into the future." Slusho! is listed as a subsidiary:
"Created by Tagruato C.E.O. Ganu Yoshida, Slusho! brand happy drink is a icy cool beverage that is rapidly becoming one of the company’s most profitable expenditures. Slusho! contains a “special ingredient” that customers can’t get enough of. Bearing the slogan, “You can’t drink just six!”, Slusho! has grown to the second most popular frozen drink in all Asian markets.
Hip adult drinkers have begun concocting deliciously intoxicating alcoholic mix drinks starring Slusho! The beverage’s popularity has spawned overwhelming sales of brand apparel, a hit theme song, and coming soon: an animated television show starring the Slusho! Flavor Droids!
The next step is to introduce Slusho! to the rest of the world. A search is on for top marketing professionals who will be tasked with duplicating the drink’s Asian popularity in the Western market. Our aspiration is to one day place Slusho! dispensers in every convenience store and mini mart. Slusho zoom!"
/Film has more on the crazy details of the site.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link
"ParafFun" is listed as another subsidiary.
"Making shiny candles? ParafFun! Sealing a jar? ParafFun! Coating your hard cheeses? ParafFun! Gripping your surfboard? ParafFun! Creating paintballs? ParafFun! Preparing specimens for histology? ParafFun! Coating your waxed paper? ParafFun! Propelling your hybrid rocket motors? ParafFun! Improved bowel movement? ParafFun! Lighting your camping lantern? ParafFun! Testing samples in infrared spectroscopy? ParafFun! Moderating neutrons? ParafFun! Making a box of crayons? ParafFun!"
uh
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Another subsid: YOSHIDA MEDICAL RESEARCH
"YMR is a genetic research firm specializing in deep sea bioprospecting. YMR implements Tagruato's advanced exploration technology to study extremophiles found only in the deepest parts of our oceans. The understanding of such organisms that thrive in conditions of extreme pressure, temperature, and toxicity has boundless pharmaceutical and industrial promise."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link
here's a thought that just occurred to me ...
http://www.mbari.org/news/news_releases/2006/snailsize-images/giant_isopod_450.jpg
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 1 October 2007 03:11 (sixteen years ago) link
The recipe, he blabbered, was sent to him by his brother, a fellow chef working in Tokyo, where it had been gaining favor in some of Japan’s most well-renowned restaurants. It contained the finest ingredients money can buy, from fresh bay leaves imported by a company called Fotopoulos Herb Gardens in Crete, to something the Japanese call “kaitei no mitsu”, or “Seabed’s Nectar”, shipped in dry ice by a company out of Honshu called Tagruato. I feigned interest in the chef’s incessant prattle, distracted by the unveiling of desert. A chilled strawberry white wine soup, the highlight of the meal. I felt like I could destroy the cosmos using only the patch of flesh where my pinkie toe used to live."
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 1 October 2007 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link
most deep sea extremophile creatures are like algae-sized and stuff
so maybe when people drink slusho they turn into huge giant isopods, or maybe big slushy rampant algae blobs that link up and form a huge building sized algae blob. fascinating.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 1 October 2007 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link
jamieandteddy.com
password: jllovesth
the story
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 5 October 2007 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.tagruato.jp/
Select english from the drop down menu. Opening English page starts talking about slusho. Tons of stuff, undersea drilling operation, release of slusho, etc.
― John Justen, Friday, 5 October 2007 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link
It's great stuff.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 5 October 2007 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
ah fuck, didn't even see that you'd posted it. SRY DUDE.
― John Justen, Friday, 5 October 2007 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm reviewin this. dunno when.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 5 October 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Slusho is hiring:
"Join the Slusho! Team soon!!! Distribution Opportunities available by contacting us through our parent, TAGRUATO! Extensive research reveals that our incredibly tasty flavor mixtures would be loved throughout the West! Become a pioneer, spread Noriko's dream and purchase a Slusho! machine for your store today! We will send representatives and scientists (?!) who will train you on how to operate our machine, and preserve the flavor of our special ingredient, Seabed's Nectar!! And what is more, we will have the special flavor tasties delivered bi-weekly, right to your storefront!!! We are highly optimistic that the FDA and other such organizations will quickly approve our ingredient for consumption in the West. They need only look to the East to see its remarkable health benefits - it is nutritious and thrifty!
TEL +81-3-5403-6318 18Kagashi✧✧✧@tagru✧✧✧.j✧
STOP WAITING OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR EVERYONE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY!"
The e-mail address & contact number match the one from the Tagruato.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 13 October 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
So apparently there will be a new trailer and an *actual* title for this running before Beowulf.
I'm not going to see Beowulf.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
That's the twist though: the title is Beowulf 2
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Beowulf 2: Grendel Lost in Manhattan
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I slowed down and reversed the roar in the first trailer and I'm pretty sure it's saying "HOOOOOOOS."
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
fremme neppa venette
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
New trailer on YouTube
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
so it is titled Cloverfield, then? kinda disappointing, that always seemed to be one of the only codenames that had no apparent connection to what the movie is about (although if it really does, then I'm pretty curious how).
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link
the monster is a giant shamrock
― latebloomer, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link
When run backwards through Trent Reznor's gear, the monster's howls are translated as: "YOU'RE AFTER ME LUCKY CHARMS!"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
you can't see it in the trailer but Warwick Davis is riding the monster.
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Pics from the casting call just went up online:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40942000/jpg/_40942945_leprechauns_gallery.jpg
― latebloomer, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i always find handheld camera or other recording device captures of ghosts/monsters etc in movies to be the creepiest way to present them, for example that birthday scene in Signs was the only part of the movie i found even vaguely scary, or that flashback in season 2 of LOST where they're in a doctor's office listening to a tape recording of a girl screaming demoniacally as she comes back from the dead. goosebumps. blair witch one too of course. or any movie where someone says "hold on a minute -- REWIND THE TAPE!!" i guess it brings you into the scene and lets you experience the horror or whatever alongside the characters as opposed to having the characters and the action conflated. somehow by introducing a seeming disconnect it makes everything seem more immediate, less staged, distant and impersonal. ERGO, i look forward to seeing this.
― negotiable, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link
that birthday scene in Signs was the only part of the movie i found even vaguely scary
for real though
the only popcorn-in-the-air moment i have ever had in a theater
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 November 2007 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
i jumped another 4 or 5 times watching Signs (cornfield scene, baby monitor over car roof scene, dog's sudden bark at the daughter scene, pantry scene, coalchute scene)
― blueski, Friday, 16 November 2007 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link
...nude scene.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 November 2007 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link
signs is hella corny but it's a pretty effective flick.
― latebloomer, Friday, 16 November 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link
http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/11/15_monsterscompare_lg.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 November 2007 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i always find handheld camera or other recording device captures of ghosts/monsters etc in movies to be the creepiest way to present them
This is pretty OTM. The only genuine scare in "The Descent" happened when a camera switched on (capturing a creature standing right behind someone). It works both ways, which is why I'm halfways intrigued by Cloverfield. If you're putting compelling imagery on screen via cheap and amateurish camera, it feels more real. If you're using a handy cam as a lazy modern device, it's gonna look pretentious.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 16 November 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
The only genuine scare in "The Descent" happened when a camera switched on
!
i would be inclined to disagree
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 November 2007 03:58 (sixteen years ago) link
the creepiest way to present monsters is with expensive prosthetics and lots of fake blood. looking forward to swell-headed tentacled people that look like little cthulhus.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 16 November 2007 05:30 (sixteen years ago) link
^^ if this is actually true, that slusho turns people into little cthulhus, i will die
though i wonder ... several of the things people are calling "little monsters" in the leaked trailer could just as easily be dudes in hazmat suits.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 16 November 2007 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link
The only genuine scare in "The Descent" happened when a camera switched on (capturing a creature standing right behind someone).
totally -- i'm surprised i forgot about that. i'm sure there's all sorts of bad examples of this too. i guess part of the reason why the network news device works is because although the action is refracted, its refracted through the frame which we generally experience the world and its disasters through, and so if done well can be more uncanny and believable, as opposed to a big lizard foot crushing a nyc taxi right next to you, which doesn't happen really ever; it's a distance we know.
― negotiable, Friday, 16 November 2007 05:46 (sixteen years ago) link
interview with lizzy caplan
BB: What can you tell me about Cloverfield? Is that even the name of the movie?
LC: I can’t even tell you that. It’s so weird, and I’m fully aware of how obnoxious it is.
BB: Have you seen it yet?
LC: No. I saw the newest trailer, though, which should be coming out in a few weeks. I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised, because this is a much bigger trailer [than the existing teaser], with more explosions and whatnot. It’s either going to be really good, or really disappointing. I don’t think that there’s much chance of gray area.
BB: What drew you to the character in the first place?
LC: Well, we weren’t exactly clear about the characters we were playing when we signed on. The producers sat us down and we auditioned with scenes that aren’t in the movie. Some were from “Alias” and some had been written specifically for the audition. And they were all very misleading.
BB: So, in casting, you read from Jennifer Garner’s lines?
LC: I’ve never really watched “Alias,” but I think they were Jennifer Garner’s lines. I had to plunge a syringe into some guy’s chest, and we were in France, and I didn’t have any idea what was going on.
BB: What convinced you to take the part?
LC: I’m a fan of “Lost.” That was it. During the first few weeks, it was like, “Oh god, this is what we’re doing? I had no idea. I’ll never sign on to another film again not knowing full well what it is.” But honestly, if Woody Allen or Wes Anderson called me today, and said, “Hey you want to do something? You don’t get to read the script,” I’d be like, “Yes, yes, yes!”
BB: How did J.J. Abrams ensure that the story wasn’t leaked? Did you get to take the script home with you?
LC: They’re actually coming by to pick it up today. We had to swap out every new set of pages with the old pages. They’re bright red, the scripts, and watermarked with our names. So, nobody wanted to be the one to accidentally leak it. They’re pretty hardcore about all of that. I don’t know how they’ve managed to keep it so secretive, though, because people obviously want to know more. And nobody knows anything. The speculation is very inaccurate.
BB: What are some of the more ridiculous speculations?
LC: There’s all this YouTube stuff about analyzing the trailer. People are seeing things that aren’t there and making up stuff that isn’t true. There’s this one still of me and Jessica Lucas, who’s another actress in the film, and people thought there was some crazy lion behind us. But people are wrong.
BB: Have the paparazzi been diligent about trying to get on set?
LC: There have been a few instances. The movie has gone though a bunch of different, strange names so that people don’t catch on. At one point, the title was Chocolate Outrage. But it’s interesting because nobody in the movie is famous. The movie is the celebrity. So it was almost like we were existing in the belly of Julia Roberts, where nobody cares about us. They were just taking pictures of this person that we were living inside. (lololol)
BB: How has this project been different from, say, your experience with Mean Girls?
LC: The physically demanding elements were definitely different, and it’s shot in a very specific way. There’s no turning around, no close-ups, and no coverage. Also, because there were no recognizable names in it, the movie looks like it cost 150 million dollars even though it doesn’t. It was done really cheaply. People trying to make large-scale movies are going to be forced to do them for a lot less money after this comes out.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link
everybody has promo shots now. shit is everywhere.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 04:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I have such a crush on Lizzy Caplan. Shame she probably won't get anything to do in this movie but run around for a while and then bleed out of her eyes and die.
― Alex in Baltimore, Sunday, 18 November 2007 05:26 (sixteen years ago) link
You all realize this is the Futurama movie, right? All the photos are fake. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/moriyamug/farkpics/slurm.gif
― Øystein, Sunday, 18 November 2007 10:59 (sixteen years ago) link
During the first few weeks, it was like, “Oh god, this is what we’re doing? I had no idea. I’ll never sign on to another film again not knowing full well what it is.”
This makes me worry, I think.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link
she might just mean the difficulty of not knowing where the character is going, being treated like a kid with the script, etc.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 18 November 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
or finding out your big scene involves bleeding explosively out of all your orifices
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 18 November 2007 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
― max, Monday, 19 November 2007 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
sorta smells like alien invasion
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link
New trailer not as awesome as old one. Looks kinda dull.
― caek, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 09:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I love the clang the Statue of Liberty's head makes when it hits the ground.
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 09:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the teaser was genuinely pretty frightening, but this new trailer makes it look like a generic action film shot on Sony HDRs.
― caek, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Noting via the slow-mo that the monster kinda looks like it has a shell, someone pointed out that "FYI: Tagruato is an anagram for A TORTUGA, Spanish for 'A TURTLE.'"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link
GAMERRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link
"colossal Asian robot"
so they've built this up so people are now going to expect a pretty amazing monster. Oh the disappointment beckons...
― Ste, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
the shell looks very dome-shaped ... and it doesn't look like it's walking, it looks like it's sliding from left to right ... hence i predict a giant sea-snail!!!
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
it just looks like a dinosaur. if it's a frigging dinosaur i quit this movie.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
^^ cosign
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
It might be physically dinosaur-like but everything else points to it being alien in origin.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link
it's sliding from left to right ... hence i predict a giant sea-snail!!!
a living mucus creature of some kind maybe?!
http://www.painstresscenter.com/images/GIFs/Mucinex.jpg
― andrew m., Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay this looks like a really average looking monster movie, not even that much different to Godzilla. Why is there so much hype?
Incidentally does anyone know anything about another new york disaster movie i heard about some months ago, it involved parallel universes or something.
― Ste, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
i am falling back into my diehard sci-fi-nerd habits. i want to know, for example, why those soldiers are wasting their ammo shooting m16s at something the size of the empire state building.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
the further the rumormill gets from cthuloid shit the more my heart sinks.
― gff, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
a turtle?? fuck off man let's have some tentacles at least
― gff, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Because of the way it's being delivered, in tiny chunks, like Lost, only in trailers instead of 44-minute episodes. They're using tested techniques to generate hype.
Personally, I don't care what the monster is-- it looks like it might be an entertaining film. I've been craving an "average monster movie" for a while now! :)
― Will M., Tuesday, 20 November 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
it's one of these !!
― Ste, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:01 (sixteen years ago) link
They're using tested techniques to generate hype.
here's hoping the excitement generated by the hype doesn't prove more imaginative than the movie itself.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Guys it's the smoke monster...this is all an elaborate LOST tie-in.
― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link
OK so new message on the Tagruato site:
"To Investors: Concerning the RRC Article
Tagruato is aware that many of you are shocked and angered over the recent article by the Ravaille Research Center. The Slusho! Board of Directors would like to assure you that the article's claims are completely false and that there is no Seabed's Nectar available outside their contained factories. The author of the article, Dr. Abe, is known for his suspicious research methods. In 1994 he was brought before his university's academic board in regards to his genetic manipulation of Australian Aphynos. We have dealt with similar predators before. The article has been stripped from all subsequent issues and our legal department is currently looking into further retaliation methods. Please contact a Tagruato representative for more information on this matter."
Googling Ravaille Research Center gets you this post on a Science Forum, where a mother worries about the amount of Slusho! that her kids are drinking. There's "an article attached about the weird effect Slusho is having on people." (the "XXXXX" originally said "Slusho!," but mods on the board changed it, presumably didn't want their board being involuntary party to viral marketing).
Full transcription of the attached jpeg is here. Lots of blah blah about Slusho's secret ingredient being proprietary, then we get this:
"Our findings are too consistent, however, to be discounted completely. Short term exposure to the substance, some initial tests revealed accelerated growth, increased strength, increased soft muscle tissue growth, sharper eyesight, better digestion, smoother skin, and a full-body, pleasant sensation that one of our researchers actually described as "a wave of pure happiness". The rest of this report will attempt to summarize our findings based on preliminary tests with Seabed’s Nectar and, hopefully, lay die foundation for more extensive research. Our testing regimen with a current case study: the notorious documentary footage depicting an 84-year-old woman drinking twelve large Slusho! Beverages and"
And that's the end of the page.
This is kinda getting fun again. Didn't expect that.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
presumably didn't want their board being involuntary party to viral marketing
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/5/11/22/f_ironingm_70393cb.png
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I still don't understand the love for this. The viral marketing appears weak and unrewarding.
I'm beginning to suspect the people getting all chufty about this are more than likely 'Lost' fans, amirite?
― Ste, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe the whole movie is just a tirade against energy drinks.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
"Slusho gives you FIIIIIIIIIINS"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Ste, Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:45 PM
fwiw I have seen one episode of Lost and thought it was stupid.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Thus if this is actually a Lost tie-in I will personally drive to LA and Super Soak a bitch. My manager, my bartender and myself will not tolerate your overhyped TV show tie-in on our etc
http://www.betamacx.nl/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/supersoaker.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link
RONG
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Unexpected, cause I liked Alias a bunch despite it's goofy late-in-the-game quadruple-cross machinations.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
the tagruato site has been fake-hacked
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 November 2007 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link
The viral campaign for Dark Knight has been much more interesting and better executed, I kinda wish I was addicted to that one instead.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 November 2007 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link
uhh... has anyone seen this yet? (not posting the image cause it isn't my flickr and i think this would qualify as a spoiler if real...)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2061757714_82b8485e0c_o.jpg
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link
― Ste, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link
So it's an American remake of The Host?
― Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:41 (sixteen years ago) link
movie trailers that are better than the movies themselves
― Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I saw that monster drawing posted somewhere over the summer, rumor mill suggested it wasn't authentic. But then, it's the rumor mill.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
looks like a whale of a creature
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah that drawing is mad old and debunked, cool-looking but i doubt it has anything to do with anything.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link
ok. also, damn.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link
The Tagruato site is back, looks pretty much identical to the pre-hack site.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link
you know, if that thing in the drawing took a swipe at the statue of liberty it'd do a lot more than knock the head off.
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link
ok apparently there has been one change to the Tagruato site, a new story under "headlines"
Smilers at the Animal Control Center!
Tagruato’s troupe of Slusho! Smilers! struck again last Friday, this time at a remote animal control center in Takayama. Bearing armfuls of Slusho! happy drinks for all the lower wage workers, the girls also organized a Slusho! drinking contest for two dozen of the center’s caged puppies and kittens.
“Kittens love Slusho! It reminds them of mother’s milk!” grinned Smiler! Mayu.
The workers whooped and cheered as the animals swam and drank their way through a 40-liter trough of Blueberry Zoom. After twenty minutes, Pickle, a spotted Labrador pup, was still happily lapping Slusho! “This one will come home to Ganu!” said acrobatic Smiler! Yuuka as she clutched the lucky puppy, “He just couldn’t get enough Zoom!” With the center in Takayama, the girls completed their nationwide tour of Japan’s animal shelters. While all the shelters received a generous donation from the Tagruato Cares! foundation, the centers with the most Slusho!-friendly animals were purchased and welcomed into the Tagruato family. These centers will undergo a full renovation in the next three years, making way for modern facilities with up-to-date research, technology, and rehabilitation equipment.
“Tagruato is working so hard to ensure a prosperous future for humans,” said company spokeswoman Suzume Soga. “We want that future for small animals as well.”
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
wow, 1.67 liters is a lot for a puppy
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link
OK so I'm emerging from like four-levels-deep inside baseball here with something of a big thing. So Teddy has been away in Japan, right? We're not sure what he's been doing there, whether he's been working for Tagruato or against them (ie with TIDOwave, the radical environmentalist group that hacked the Tagruato site a couple weeks ago).
So he's away, and Jamie has been sending him little video messages via their special site for a while. In the newest video, Teddy sends back a care package and a message. The care package = a Slusho hat, a sample of the seabed nectar, and a message:
Jamie, listen to me, alright this is not a joke. If you're hearing this before we've spoken, then it means that I've been captured by the company called Tagruato. Ok, TAG-RU-ATO. Now listen. You, this is important. Don't call the authorities. It'll screw everything up. Just sit tight and wait to hear from Randy. He knows to call you. We're on their station ok, and it's like they've found something, or they're making something, but the point is, I can't, I'm not going to be calling you again. You're not gonna hear from me again. I just want you to wait for Randy.. he will explain [Jamie stops tape]
Jamie is pissed and I guess assumes he's breaking up with her in some lame way. Full video.
Movie is just more than a month away now, I'm assuming the campaign should ramp up pretty dramatically soon. Have you seen the surreal Slusho commercial?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2007 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I'd be more into the viral marketing and ARG stuff for this movie if it didn't seem to be primarily about Mr. Sparkle/Lost In Translation-style pastiches of wacky Japanese commercials.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 10 December 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Well I wouldn't say it's' "primarily" about those craaaaaaaazy Japanese/Slusho etc so much as it's about the machinations of Tagruato. Slusho is just a gateway to that. But I see where you're coming from.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
viral ARG marketing is so nerdcore it makes me embarrassed to admit i even care about this move
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 10 December 2007 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
too true
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
lol holy fucking shit i don't know if i'm angry or amused or what the fuck
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I suppose it makes sense that Slusho itself plays no major role in the film. It's essential to the backstory, the fanwank mythos stuff, but if the movie is people with handhelds going OMG A MONSTER, I imagine there won't be lots of time for reading the Slusho Origins page or anything.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 01:54 (sixteen years ago) link
The abovementioned "Randy" (from whom Jamie is to expect a call) is apparently the author of the two most recent posts on the TIDOwave page, which suggests that Teddy is working against Tagruato. fwiw.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link
^^ haha LOL
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah call me crazy but I always pretty much assumed that Slusho wouldn't be involved in the actual movie itself beyond an occasional character drinking it or wearing a Slusho t-shirt. Seems like in order to do the visceral in-the-moment storytelling that the trailers imply you wouldn't have time to zero in on that kind of backstory. I guess maybe if it was big enough to warrant a sequel they'd delve deeper into that stuff?
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
just wanna say how much i enjoy the word "nerdery"
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess maybe if it was big enough to warrant a sequel they'd delve deeper into that stuff?
there are a couple in-too-deep types who are convinced this is gonna be the box office smash of 08. lol.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link
It probably will be the box office smash of 08. Until a little thing called Summertime happens.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link
What the fuck is all this shit for shit? The
― Abbott, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 04:04 (sixteen years ago) link
No, that.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link
You never it.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link
excellent fake/real spoiler thread here: http://www.1-18-08news.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4478&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i have no idea if that's real or not but if you're into spoiling your fun ahead of time like me, there you have it. also fun to see 35 pages of people arguing over whether the spoilers are real or not.
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Interesting sidebar about that: if it's real, then Slusho does play a significant role in the movie and /Film has it wrong. Or it's fake and /Film has it right.
it's_a_mystery.jpeg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 04:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry but I thought it was *really* obvious that this drink slushy wasn't going to be anything to do with the plot of the movie. In the same way a lot of GTA radio stations had their own websites but were just for there for fun and nerdy fans wanting more.
I guess there's no viral marketing related to the monster because, lets' face it, it's just a monster smashing up a city innit.
― Ste, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i had a dream influenced by this last night, and i haven't even read this thread
― remy bean, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link
(i dreamed that mechagodzilla was real but tame and an actor, and that i was the cinematographer on set as he crashed down styrofoam buildings -- and that i had to make sure i ducked out of the way b/c he was nearly blind from all the lights)
― remy bean, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe I'll think differently after seeing it, but 1-18-08 seems like it would have been a much better title.
*resembles timecode on a video recorder *gives immediacy to a movie that is all about immediacy *Cloverfield seems incongruous with a movie set in New York City
Has there ever been a movie set on its release date?
― Eazy, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I think a lot of movies tend to take place in the year they're released, sometimes right down to the month or season, as opposed to a year or two earlier when it was filmed or written, but i dunno about any set on the exact day of its theatrical release. I guess Independence Day counts, based on the assumption that it was supposed to be July 4th of that year.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link
why what's special about 1 January ?
― Ste, Thursday, 13 December 2007 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link
new footage
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
has there been info on the budget for this? its gonna make a lot of $ i really believe. i also believe it's prob not v. good, overall.
― johnny crunch, Friday, 14 December 2007 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link
the reported/estimated budget is $30 mil. it'll definitely make money, even Snakes On A Plane turned a profit on a simliar budget, this'll have to really make good on the buzz to not be considered a flop. i could see it being a moderate sized hit, not a huge one, but who knows. that 5 minute clip was pretty good, I have to say, good to see the scenes from the trailer fleshed out a little more, although I'm still kind of afraid that beginning stuff will be by far the best part of the movie.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 14 December 2007 07:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Speilberg was right when he noted how corny it was these days to show famous world landmarks being destroyed by aliens/monsters/natural disasters.
― Ste, Friday, 14 December 2007 09:40 (sixteen years ago) link
it will easily clear $30m.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 14 December 2007 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link
The comments from fans on that website aren't helping my non-love for this movie
"can anyone slow it down and see if there is a slush-o machine in the store?"
I seriously hope this is someone taking the piss.
― Ste, Friday, 14 December 2007 09:47 (sixteen years ago) link
what if the aliens/monsters/natural disasters have sex with the monuments instead of destroying them?
― latebloomer, Friday, 14 December 2007 09:51 (sixteen years ago) link
altho thinking about it, the $30m budget is just the cost of the movie. marketing costs are probably about the $100m mark by now amirite.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 14 December 2007 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link
extended clip
― latebloomer, Friday, 14 December 2007 10:04 (sixteen years ago) link
haha. I just watched that clip after viewing a bootleg Dark Knight trailer on the same site. I think Alex is right about the beginning of Cloverfield being the best. It's really all about those initial WTF moments.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 14 December 2007 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link
ho snap. the shit, she has hit the fan.
Um…..things are not going as planned. There has been a problem with the “event”. Please contact me if you have any information on Randy or the others. I’m the only one here right now. Backup desperately needed.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
the one good thing about this movie is that it is really raising public consciousness about how awesome lice and other arthropods are.
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 04:53 (sixteen years ago) link
lol ur all wrong it is Teh Stuff remaek
― Telephone thing, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 06:36 (sixteen years ago) link
New JamieandTeddy video. If you'll recall, when we last met our heroes, Jamie was listening to a frantic message from Teddy saying he'd been captured by Tagruato. Here's the transcript.
Hey Prick. So guess what? I'm going to play your little game and I'm going to call Tag-ga-gato. Because, it just so happens that my friend's boyfriend found the number for me. So we're going to call and we're going to see who really stole you. It's about a million numbers, it'll probably cost me a fortune, but guess what? You're worth it, aren't you? (sigh)
Hi, can I speak to Teddy Hanssen? Can I speak to someone that speaks American? Oh, OK, you speak both. I'm looking for Teddy Hanssen. OK, thanks, I'll hold.
(whispering) I Hate You
Hi, I'm looking for Teddy Hanssen. This is Jamie Lascano. I'm calling from America. I'm not telling you my address...
Surprise, Surprise, they've never heard of you. You know what? I'm so sick of your games. This is the last video you are getting from me. I'm officially done--
(phone rings)
Unknown number? Hello? I don't speak "whatever".
OK, thanks Teddy, now they are calling me, prick.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 December 2007 04:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I finally figured out what all the Slusho etc. backstory and commercials reminded me of, obliquely:
GO GO!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 December 2007 04:35 (sixteen years ago) link
our baddie on tagruato sonar http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07520/monster.png
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 December 2007 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link
hey guys, I don't want to ruin it or anything, but it turns out to be a polar bear
― nabisco, Sunday, 30 December 2007 09:21 (sixteen years ago) link
here's another view http://members.tripod.com/~junekc/Bears/bearlogo.gif
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 December 2007 09:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously, though, the commercials for this are giving me bad Lost flashbacks -- i.e., opens with cool tense panic of people with everything suddenly exploding around them, and then ... then there's like a polar bear and a hatch and it sucks ass, is my guess.
Also there appears to be a line where someone is holding a subway map and says "we can either die in the tunnels or die on the streets and this'll be way easier on the CGI budget if we pick the tunnels"
― nabisco, Sunday, 30 December 2007 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I mentioned to a friend last week, I really don't have any interest in this movie any more, I've just gotten sucked in by the ARG. I probably won't even go see it.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 December 2007 09:27 (sixteen years ago) link
so it looks like it's not gonna be all HandyCam:
"Cloverfield" thesp T. J. Miller's handling of a lightweight Panasonic HD HandyCam accounts for about an eighth of the final film.
"The little camera establishes a feel -- its grace notes; you see the reflections of the actor holding the camera," says Reeves, who reserved the minicam for intimate scenes among the actors. He kept tweaking those scenes, shooting as many as 60 takes.
The film starts out with the Panasonic, then moves into transitional sequences shot with a 3-lb. Canon for about a third of the film.
For the widescreen scenes with visual effects, which require higher resolution, a cameraman dressed like Hud sports the much-heavier hi-res Sony F23 or Thomson Viper."The cameraman was creating the illusion that huge cameras are very light," says Reeves. "It was grueling. People fell."
The filmmakers seamlessly melded all the shots, including continuous masters with massive effects added by VFX houses and stop-motion master Phil Tippet. One five-minute shot incorporates 20 VFX elements.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Hey guess what, Rob has a new job with some company called Slusho! in Japan.
You can’t drink just six... Current mood: adventurous Category: Jobs, Work, Careers
So I got a job offer, and it's everything I wanted. More money, more power, more creative freedom. I'd even have up to five people working under me, and you know how much I've always wanted underlings. One catch -- I need to move to freakin' JAPAN! The job is the V.P. of Marketing and Promotions for SLUSHO! brand "happy drink." Apparently it's all the rage in Asia. I'd be part of a team tasked with replicating the drink's popularity in the Western world. Here's a link to their most recent TV spot: http://www.slusho.jp/contest/sample/medium.html Bizarre, I know. I'm sure Hud would love it. They want us to come up with a more accessible angle to hook an American audience.
When I said I'd be willing to leave NYC for the new gig, I was thinking maybe Chicago or Toronto, maybe L.A. Japan is a whole other extreme. I'm not a particularly worldly fellow, and I'd definitely be in store for some major culture shock. But you know what? Maybe this is exactly the jolt my lame little life needs. A fresh start, and all the clichés that go with it. I'm cautiously psyched. I told them I needed the weekend to think it over, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna take it. I mean, I can't think of a good enough reason not to.
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Hawk - My Japanese friend Kuroki paid me off in Slusho once to settle a bet. That shit is delicious. I’ve been craving more ever since I tried it. Your job will be a piece of cake, Slusho sells itself. Please tell me you get a free lifetime supply or something.
Rob Hawkins - They gave me some t-shirts at the interview, you want one?
HUD - Dude I just googled Slusho, did you know they are a subsidiary of some evil oil company called Tagruato? We both know how much you hate oil (you always say “no oil” when you order a hoagie), so you better turn down the job and stay here and live with me forever and ever.
LenaDia - Gay.
Lil - Rob that’s crazy! How soon would you have to leave?
Rob - A few weeks, around the middle of the month they said.
Beth - Japan!? Oh my god, Rob! Come over this weekend so we can talk about it?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:29 (sixteen years ago) link
you can't make this stuff up
― latebloomer, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:48 (sixteen years ago) link
oh hey so i guess this comes out 12 days or something
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 6 January 2008 06:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, count me srsly back in: massive effects added by VFX houses and stop-motion master Phil Tippet.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Sunday, 6 January 2008 07:03 (sixteen years ago) link
they're not going to use stop motion for this
― latebloomer, Sunday, 6 January 2008 07:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Phil Tippet's been doing CGI for years
wow you guys are all getting on the hating bandwagon early, huh
― max, Sunday, 6 January 2008 08:18 (sixteen years ago) link
livebloggingseeing it next thursday -- weird thing about these press blackout movies is that magazines don't review them till weeks after they're out of cinemas.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
this looks awful, sub 9/11-footage-fear movie
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
new j&t vid. jamie expresses her hatred of teddy via intepretive dance.
Of all the millions of ways for me to show you how much I HATE YOU, the only way is to do my "Hate Dance" that I created for you, so you will know my PAIN! I don't know if it's the stuff you gave me, but I'm see everything a lot clearer now!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I couldn't tell you [about the movie's ending] even if I wanted to - I haven't seen it yet. ... Honestly, no one has. I have seen a rough cut of the film, but as for the climax it will be a complete surprise for me as well as everyone else when it premieres. The producers won't let anyone see it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link
http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07520/monster.png
GUISE IT IS OBVIOUSLY A PRED SHIP
― rogermexico., Thursday, 10 January 2008 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link
At this point, seems too meh to hate.
― rogermexico., Thursday, 10 January 2008 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link
interesting interview with the director, who, contrary to popular belief and the title of this thread, is not J.J. Abrams: http://laist.com/2008/01/09/laist_interview_88.php
that he acknowledges Children of Men as an influence on the camera work and long shots really makes me hope they can pull of some scenes as well as CoM
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 10 January 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
"sub-9/11"??
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
so did j.j. abrams just produce or what?
― Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link
haha "just".
i like that interview AiB links to -- just don't have time to chase down proxy websites and backstory, but i'm up for the film, and the guy sounds like he has his head on a swivel.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, "sub-9/11" as in a lame replica of the real thing
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
you don't see many threads about great producers or "producer of the year" awards.
― Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
you think this is going to be worse than the original 9/11?
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Jordan, Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:17 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
best picture oscar goes to producer.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
oh
― Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Jordan, Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:17 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
that's cos people overrate directors. producers can be pretty important in the development process.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I realize Abrams is more creatively hands-on with this project than producers often are (although of course it varies), I just thought it was funny that this was practically the first interview or press I'd seen about the director besides a passing mention of "Abrams worked with him on Felicity and so back to Abrams..."
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:17 (5 minutes ago) Link
yeah, how can they ever top THAT fireworks show amirite?
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
trudat
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
no the ads are an irritating reminder of the footage from 9/11 which make me think "why would I want to relive a shitty exploitative replica of a horribly disturbing event that I actually lived through"
is this really that difficult of a concept? wtf people
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
like it was BAD ENOUGH when it was real, what do I need an imitation to relive it for
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i can see that for survivors it might be a tough watch, but for most of us it was just something on tv lol.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
and an imitation that isn't even as good!
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
thank god no one ever thought to make a movie based on an actual war! that would be so shitty and inadequate.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
yes i remember well that terrifying footage of people running from the torn-off head of the statue of liberty
― gff, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
but better
new truther meme:
http://blogs.townonline.com/newton/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/godzilla.jpg
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
but seriously... why would anyone want to watch a movie that grappled with issues of our time when we already lived through the real thing and it was annoying?!
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i do remember reading interviews with omaha vets when private ryan came out, saying, "if this is as real as ppl say, i don't wanna go through it again, how can people want to do that?"
but this seems... different, a little bit.
― gff, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
haha and the dudes i went to see it with, after five minutes of appropriate moral silence, were all "dudes got GIBBED in that shit yo"
― gff, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
lolz get another strawman
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
iirc they (some of them) praised it for being real... and said they didn't want to go through it again -- but that it was good because it was educational for their ingrate boomer fucking pothead offspring who never saw their buddies die face down in the normandy shingle.
but yuh it's kind of different.
xposts
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
shitty disaster movie /= "grappling with issues"
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
you haven't seen it yet.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I probably won't - it looks stupid, a lot of scared people running around, etc.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
and genre movies have always been reflective of issues and shit people have been concerned with. body snatchers. godzilla. you're pretentious.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
you wound me to the quick
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
YA BURNT
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
the more I think about this maybe I just don't like disaster movies.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
it may turn out to be "the disaster movie for people who don't like disaster movies"...
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
"handicam film about the lives of young new yorkers who really like monsters and shit getting fucking blown up"
― gff, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't remember the last time I was genuinely excited at seeing something blown up on a movie screen
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
x-post -- Shaun of the Duh
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
haha i kind of fucked up the construction of that lol attempt there
― gff, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link
noise board: the movie
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.lundy.org/photogallery/sept11th/_images/eagle_crying.jpg
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i have tired of seeing new york destroyed/frozen/invaded or ravaged by disease/monsters in movies. how unoriginal. level nantucket? now that i'd pay to see.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
the rape of nantucket
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
there once was a lol from nantucket
― gff, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
a very special episode of Wings
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link
"Cause Peppahidge Fahm remembahs."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
ha haha!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
acknowledging the possibility that this movie "grapples with the issues of our times," a poster of ny in flames doesn't really make me go aw HELL YEAH GOTTA SEE THAT
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe if there was a fucking godzilla in the poster i'd feel different
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
this must be a new yorker thing because films get made about other real-world stuff all the time... a lot of the praise for 'children men' came from the fact that the imagery set out to echo all kinds of post-9/11 shit -- guantanamo etc.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
is the plural of godzilla "godzillae"?
― Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah but the ads for Children Of Men weren't just of the abu ghraib dude in a hood and the phrase THIS WINTER underneath
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
did the original posters for godzilla just show japanese people runnning from giant flames, screaming? 'this summer...something BIG will hit Japan..."
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
plz do not mistake this from an attack on metaphor in sci-fi, slocki
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Have a look at a 1954 poster and decide.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
this FOR an attack
x-post ok see that big fucking lizard with fire coming out of his mouth?
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
cloverfield poster also needs dude in eyepatch looking on
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
"This November, Dallas get its mind blown!"
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Momus could play Cloverfield's dude-in-eyepatch! "We've brought in an expert in Japanese culture to help us deal with this big fucking lizard running amok in NY..."
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
GODZILLA: 20TH HIJACKER
I'm amazed that JJ Abrams is a 'brand' to people
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
his dad, who produced a bunch of hbo movies, gives big moolah to Penn State's film dept. and in exchange gets to come by each year and watch everybody's short films and rip on them. I skipped and kinda regret it, supposedly Jerry Abrams is not fond of "art."
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
jj abrams blows. i'm sure this movie will be awesome at the very beginning (excepting the probable scene of a an upper middle class party which will open the film) and then completely fall apart as he starts making shit up along the way.
― omar little, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I do find hilarious the mental picture of a buncha film students getting their souls crushed by the dad of the guy who created "Felicity"
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah at the time i was all "fuck this, i didn't come to school to kiss alumni ass" but then it turned out to be much cooler than that
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
the room with all the editing equipment is named after the executive producer of Home Improvement.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I heard the monster is a giant polar bear.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
turns out Gerry Abrams produced 1987's Hearts Of Fire starring Bob Dylan and Fiona! FUCK, I missed the opportunity to ask him about that.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahaha the "Jeff Franklin Memorial Faculty Lounge"
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
er, xx-post
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
polar bears are pretty scary actually
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2806959/2/istockphoto_2806959_goofy_animals_polar_bear.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
grrrrrrrrrr!
http://starphoenixbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/0_21_032107_polar_bear.jpg
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
(actual CGI test footage)
― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
It's not fair to lay blame on JJ for LOST's make-it-up-as-we-go-along-ness when he only had anything to do with the pilot episode. If I recall correctly his only input past episode one was "omg and what if they find a HATCH?". All the rest of the slapping together is Lindelof/Cuse territory.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I haven't seen anything else he did though - did MI3 or Alias unravel into a tapestry of plot holes and unnecessary additional mysterious characters?
― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
hey guys, I don't want to ruin it or anything, but it turns out to be a polar bear-- nabisco, Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:21 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark LinkI heard the monster is a giant polar bear.-- Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:52 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- nabisco, Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:21 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link
-- Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:52 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
STOP BITING MY SHIT, JERKBUTT
― nabisco, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
oh wait, never mind, he means he heard it from me, upthread
-- nickalicious, Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:22 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
haha no, not with 'mi:3' anyway. also 'lost' is ongoing, i have faith it'll all add up.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link
INIVISIBLE MONSTER (ultimate cgi money-saver)
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link
lolcat synergy
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I was half-joking with my friends the other day and suggested we may never actually see the monster in this.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Me the other day OTM.
because terrorism is the unseen enemy DO YOU SEE
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link
FEAR IS THE MINDKILLER
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^ otm
― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1815000/images/_1816878_dune150.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link
EVIL TWIN SUBPLOT
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link
did MI3 or Alias unravel into a tapestry of plot holes and unnecessary additional mysterious characters?
-- nickalicious, Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:22 PM
in the last two seasons alias was the most ridic shit ever
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link
like quadruple-crosses and "no, you've been working for the bad guys all this time" happens like 8 fucking times
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
by then he had probably moved on from showrunning though right? ddude is an operator.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.webm8.co.uk/riddler/tunes/e/eon-fear_the_mind_killer.jpg
― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Everyone I knew who like Alias was a girl who liked all the costume changes.
― Abbott, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
haha, i like how lost when lost started devolving into plot holes and piling mystery onto mystery without resolving anything, they hired a bunch of mainstream comics writers to help them out. :>
― Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link
the first couple seasons of alias were kinda cool, and garner in this getup = awes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link
after the x-files I knew better than to start watching Lost until it became clear whether or not they actually knew what they were doing.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link
but by the end plot holes pile on unresolved mysteries and i hated the supernatural elements. wanted the show to be straight spy shit.
xp to self
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link
The world of Alias has one of the largest collections of fictional intelligence agencies in the history of espionage fiction. These agencies are clandestine espionage groups that trade secrets and weapons.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
rambaldi device
― s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
-- da croupier, Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
i think they can be trusted. at least they have an exit strategy now.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
multi x-post:
Of course I heard it from you, nabisco. It's not like I'm hunting down Cloverfield spoilers on some other board.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i know rite xp to slocki
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:58 (sixteen years ago) link
abrams 'traces his love of the unseen mystery' through alias, lost & cloverfield in this TED talk.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 January 2008 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Harry Knowles (ugh, i know, i know) says it's a masterpiece.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 January 2008 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean
Like SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, but instead of Nazis it’s a giant monster.
ffs
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 January 2008 02:53 (sixteen years ago) link
but still
i have tired of seeing new york destroyed/frozen/invaded or ravaged by disease/monsters in movies.
<3 destryd nyc 4 eva!
― jhøshea, Friday, 11 January 2008 03:06 (sixteen years ago) link
btw guise that review seems to contain minor spoilers but no big thangs
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 January 2008 03:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Harry Knowles was bound to go crazy for this no matter how good it really is.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 11 January 2008 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Harry Knowles knows which side of his butter is buttered.
― jeff, Friday, 11 January 2008 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 January 2008 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link
My interest is slightly rekindled (and after "on January 18, all that they'll have is... each other" that's sayin' something), but now I feel like I'll just be getting Harry Knowles' sloppy seconds. And that's just... ::shudder::
― rogermexico., Friday, 11 January 2008 06:40 (sixteen years ago) link
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, January 11, 2008 2:53 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link
im sorry but that sounds awesome. latebloomer you with me??
― s1ocki, Friday, 11 January 2008 06:57 (sixteen years ago) link
lost is rad. its like the minutemen.
― chaki, Friday, 11 January 2008 08:38 (sixteen years ago) link
So, are "The Others" D. Boon or Mike Watt?
― Helltime Redux, Friday, 11 January 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i just got free passes for this on wednesday
― jergïns, Friday, 11 January 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
wow, jergins.
― chaki, Friday, 11 January 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm looking forward to the movie documentary about NYC destroyed and depopulated by high rent and mutant bedbugs
― nabisco, Friday, 11 January 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
ya im seeing it wed too. kinda stoked actually.
― s1ocki, Friday, 11 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i hope it's better than 9/11
Just German tourists cruising around on the top decks of sightseeing buses while rat-sized bedbugs suck the blood from dog-sized rats on the mattress-strewn streets below
― nabisco, Friday, 11 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
-- nabisco, Friday, 11 January 2008 21:08
i am legend?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 12 January 2008 05:36 (sixteen years ago) link
slocki otm about this movie, nrq and chaki otm about lost. also mi:3 was great!!
― max, Saturday, 12 January 2008 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link
u up early dawg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 12 January 2008 11:45 (sixteen years ago) link
well that was... traumatizing
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link
What, does everyone get bloodily torn limb from limb or something?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link
no spoilers.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link
in short, though, i really liked it.
sweet can't wait
― wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm looking forward 2 it
― latebloomer, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:46 (sixteen years ago) link
i think you will definitely like this latebloomer!
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link
re-amped
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link
it didnt do anything startlingly NEW but it did stuff that ppl have been fucking around with for a while now a whole lot better.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link
like, finally gets the blair witch idea right.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Nice.
Nice enough article. All the stuff about 'individual dramas' = whatever, but this is interesting:
Among the imagery used in "Cloverfield" are collapsing skyscrapers, great clouds of dust and swirling drifts of paper that directly reference the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. In the hands of Abrams, Reeves and Co., the monster movie remains a repository for the collective unease felt in the wake of a national tragedy." 'Cloverfield' is meant to explore the very real and obvious fears we are all living with everyday," said Abrams, "to let the audience have the experience but in a much more safe and manageable way. . . ."I believe there are a whole lot of people who want to have that kind of catharsis and who don't necessarily want to see documentaries about the very issues they are grappling with internally.""In a way, what 'Cloverfield' does," said Reeves, "is it puts a name on the unthinkable."
" 'Cloverfield' is meant to explore the very real and obvious fears we are all living with everyday," said Abrams, "to let the audience have the experience but in a much more safe and manageable way. . . .
"I believe there are a whole lot of people who want to have that kind of catharsis and who don't necessarily want to see documentaries about the very issues they are grappling with internally."
"In a way, what 'Cloverfield' does," said Reeves, "is it puts a name on the unthinkable."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2008 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link
they actually handled the individual character stuff pretty well. there's a lot more emphasis on it than i thought there would be but it worked for me.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 05:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Well the comment in the article how Abrams liked Alien and The Thing is encouraging enough since there's character dynamics there that I can get behind instead of mopey soap operas. But that's just personal taste!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2008 05:07 (sixteen years ago) link
seeing tonight: stoked as an mf.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 17 January 2008 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link
man-femme?
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
monster feeler
― latebloomer, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
o shi this is awesome
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 00:40 (sixteen years ago) link
uh...hurray for approximating 9/11 images into Godzilla redux? I'll pass.
― Simon H., Friday, 18 January 2008 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Oooh there are midnight showings tonight, hmmmmmm
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Simon H., Friday, January 18, 2008 12:43 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
sassy
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Repbrobate
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Dammit
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/01/cloverfield_monster_revealed_f.html
real monster stuff here^^^^^^
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 18 January 2008 04:40 (sixteen years ago) link
dont spoil yourself
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link
After being redirected to Aint It Cool News I am reminded why Harry Knowles is considered such a lamer.
"CLOVERFIELD is a bold genre-reinvention unlike anything we’ve ever seen before...Folks – CLOVERFIELD is worth the obsession, worth the months I’ve had to put up with fans wondering what the hell it was – worth having to deal with reporters asking me what it was – and I didn’t know either. This is a towering movie. A complete reinvention of the disaster movie, the giant monster movie and even the love story. I absolutely love this film and the only thought I had when it was over was how I wanted to watch it 5 more times today."
Does he not understand the diminishing returns of being a hypester? The man's been behind more false-expectations among geeks than anybody in the last five years.
― Cunga, Friday, 18 January 2008 05:44 (sixteen years ago) link
works for him i guess.
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 05:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Midnight showing tonight (starting as I write, actually) but I have work in 7 hours and am already exhausted. Perhaps tomorrow night.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 06:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Midnight showing *down the street* tonight
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 06:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Does he not understand the diminishing returns of being a hypester?
No, clearly not, but he also doesn't understand that he's hyping anything. I have no doubt that he genuinely feels this strongly at the time he writes these things. He has to -- no one could feign this much lack of perspective. I remember his review of the movie Blow, where he talked about being so overwhelmed by the masterpiece he'd just seen, he had to stop and lean on a wall on the way out of the theater. (I will withhold speculation on how often he has to do that in daily life regardless.) He's not a critic; very important to remember. He's an unchecked id on the loose at the movies, who tries to sound like a critic sometimes, but in the end doesn't really care to. Every time he goes to the movies, he gets as excited as a six year old on vacation who gets to go to the motel swimming pool. Of course most of me thinks he's just a dumb fanboy who happened to start a website. A small part of me envies him.
― kenan, Friday, 18 January 2008 06:31 (sixteen years ago) link
um... or what slocki said. "works for him i guess."
― kenan, Friday, 18 January 2008 06:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember his review of the movie Blow, where he talked about being so overwhelmed by the masterpiece he'd just seen, he had to stop and lean on a wall on the way out of the theater. (I will withhold speculation on how often he has to do that in daily life regardless.)
Congrats. Funniest thing I've seen all day (and today was a great day for laughs).
I'm aware of all the points you make about what his place is online and whatnot, I was just surprised to stumble back on his site in 2008 and still see him doing the same thing he's been doing for the last ten years. It's like when you come across pro wrestling and wrestlers from your childhood are still plugging the same gimmick/persona they had when you watched as an eleven year old.
― Cunga, Friday, 18 January 2008 07:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Good Lord you're still here
― kingfish, Friday, 18 January 2008 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow, it's really good. Guy behind me yelled at the screen "Hold still!" Characters are generic, as they were in Blair Witch (good actors, though). I can easily imagine sequels that would shed light on the overall event by showing it from other points of view.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 08:12 (sixteen years ago) link
given it was 86 minutes and had quite a lot going on(!), they did really well with characters, i thought -- and without having a 'half an hour with tim robbins' scene to slow things down.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:20 (sixteen years ago) link
so from everyone who's seen it so far, is the general feeling that this film is actually good ?
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:32 (sixteen years ago) link
eazy, s1ocki and me all say yes.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I can easily imagine sequels that would shed light on the overall event by showing it from other points of view.
I read a review that mentioned this could produce companion films, rather than sequels per se. I'm not seeing this until later today, but wouldn't the mayor's, or military's, or president's version of this story be totally pointless?
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess it depends on the story.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 09:50 (sixteen years ago) link
this is great!!!! haters above are totally wrong--slocki and nrq and eazy otm about everything. whoever was in charge--the director, jj abrams, the screenwriter (how was this written btw? i wouldnt be surprised if a big portion was semi-improvised, altho on the other hand one thing that struck me was how FUNNY the movie was)--do really excellent things w/ the blair witch format SEMI SPOILER especially the conceit of the whole thing being taped over this other tape that rob really wants to keep (this was totally corny i know but i bought it wholesale).
there could def be companion movies but what i think its really open to is a prequel of some kind (i guess the ARG that hoos got into was basically that)
SPOILERRRRRRRRR i wish it had just ended with the helicopter crash. not that everything after that is bad, its just sort of dumb, and i didnt really need the closeup of the monster's face. way creepier to end with the guy on the radio saying "target still active."
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 10:16 (sixteen years ago) link
did not realize that zooey deschanel-looking girl was goth from mean girls
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 10:25 (sixteen years ago) link
this was totally corny i know but i bought it wholesale
basic definition of good filmmaking!
and the goth girl-camera guy relationship was lolzy then...
this is gonna get spoilery real fast * * * * * * * * like an actual gutshot.
i would have not have had them get on the chopper in the first place -- though the shot of the b2 bomber from below kind of made it worth it!! "that's what i'm talking about" -- more lols, though no-one got to say "let's do this thing" : /
this being jjabrams i kind of though rob was SOMEHOW INVOLVED in teh monster.
the jury's still out i guess.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 10:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Ok time to stop bookmarking this thread before I spoil it for myself.
― nate woolls, Friday, 18 January 2008 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link
-- max, Friday, January 18, 2008 10:25 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link
i knew that but had no idea she'd been in 'freaks and geeks'.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i know a lot of people who loved this
― J0rdan S., Friday, 18 January 2008 12:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i hate them all for seeing it before me
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i was worried that you'd need to know about slusho/read all the sites JJA set up but you don't. i have no idea how slusho relates to the story.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link
So when is this out in the UK?
― nate woolls, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link
1 feb i think.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, January 18, 2008 2:05 PM
came out around late dec that slusho had nothing to do with the movie itself. i'm guessing it's just abrams adding shit to the universe of his stuff. it'll prob show up in lost at some point.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Given the secrecy around this film up to this point, 2 weeks between releases seems like quite a long time. I've already stumbled across a website showing the monster, so that surprise has already gone.
― nate woolls, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:40 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:54 AM
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link
"between releases"? xp
it's kind of hard to say why the shot of the monster is good, but a screengrab/gif doesn't capture it. anyway what's good about the movie isn't the monster. except for saying what happens to the characters it's nhard to spoiler this film: everyone knows that a monster attacks new york, and you can kind of take it from there!
rob, whose leaving party you see in the trailer, is going to work in japan -- his job may relate to the websites somehow?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link
By "between releases", I meant released in the US, then over here 2 weeks later.
― nate woolls, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
NRQ I think the only clear connection (still not having seen the movie) between the ARG and the movie is the blonde girl Jamie who is apparently at Rob's going away party. Her bf Teddy has gone to Japan as well, he sends her Slusho!, he warns her about Big Evil Tagruato, etc
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link
SPOILERS
max i'm totally with you re: the helicopter crash. i thought all the beats they covered on the ground could have easily been done in the chopper and it was just too unbelievable to me that the kids survived it. the whole whatsherface is still alive thing was enough of a stretch.
and the taped-over thing worked for me too. ya a bit corny but at the same time that's a filmmaking idea i've never seen in a movie before, genuinely kind of a new thing, and i was really impressed by it.
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
im totally surprised at all the hate this is getting from certain reviewers!!!
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Slate apparently hates it with a hatey hate.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i havent checked the reviews yet... really?
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
manohla dargis and scott foundas both HATE it
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
the slate review is a little more neutral
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
from a glance at metacritic it seems like most are hating it for basically being a genre disaster movie... a nation of shakey mo colliers...
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link
i dont get the complaint that there's no characterization at all!
Abrams & Co. really stick to their convention here, which I like a whole lot. I remember being disappointed with Momento's flashback scenes, for example, having thought that the whole thing would be told backwards.
*SOILER*
The taped-over convention lets it have an ending that's not quite as bleak as United 93. And by the end, there's a profound though simple idea there: that that day on Coney Island really was the essence of what life can be about.
Someone (Rob?) wears a Slusho t-shirt at the party.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
foundas is a terrible critic.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
i kind of said this in a review of 'sunshine' but one of the things i like about nu-disaster movies is that you don't get those scenes you had in emmerich and bay movies of random people at home watching the end of the world on TV or in bars. at the same time you do have people in the middle of a disaster watching tv to find out wtf is going on a few hundred metres away -- which is accurate.
this film is way more like '28 weeks later' than 'blair witch', which is kind of a red herring.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link
i hate the directors comment "it's a disaster movie for the You-Tube generation"
Bleuuuuuuuuuuurgh!
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Something else: this reminded me a lot of The Bourne Ultimatum, as far as having ultrarealistic and disorienting cinematography that still gets the essential information across in each moment (i.e., the camera is on its side, portrait-style, at the party at the moment that the guy in the Slusho t-shirt walks by).
I had a little bit of deja vu in some scenes, having seen parasites and Manhattan doom a few weeks ago in I Am Legend.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
and I've been reading Monster Island recently too, shit's getting out of hand.
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Ste, Friday, January 18, 2008 3:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
he's not wrong though!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
haha yeah, i did think that.
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf is dargis on? awful woman.
she gets into a butthurt 'how could they tap into 9/11 thing' and says "The director, Matt Reeves, lives in Los Angeles, as does the writer, Drew Goddard, and the movie’s star producer, J. J. Abrams."
FOR SHAME J. J., FOR SHAME.
she *really* has it in for the characters, and she evidently read a book about postmodernism in the '80s:
'For a brief, hopeful moment, I thought the filmmakers might be making a point about how the contemporary compulsion to record the world has dulled us to actual lived experience, including the suffering of others — you know, something about the simulacrum syndrome in the post-Godzilla age at the intersection of the camera eye with the narcissistic “I.”'
this sounds kind of stupid to me, so i'm glad they didn't do it.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah every reviewer seems to hate the characters which is weird to me--some of them are sort of boring, but none are particularly hateable and i actually liked hud a lot
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
SPOILER
what really hit home for me about the taped-over conceit was the way it reinforces the sense of memorialization, recording, record-keeping that pops up all over the movie--theres a lot to say about this that could get hairily "post-modern" but id like to see the movie again
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought they did the comic relief thing quite well with hud.
and wtf... they're perfectly likeable characters!
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link
i find it so weird that reviewers are SPECIFICALLY hitting on the "no characterization" thing when this movie goes so out of its way to not ignore that stuff!
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
it's kind of an odd criticism from a critic who loved the shit out of 'there will be blood'. i think you could bro down with hud -- plainview not really.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
well we saw what happened a guy tried to bro down with plainview.
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
the whole thing with them is they aren't exceptional people -- not scientists or army guys or people who can do anything to stop ze monsta. they aren't *bad* though.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
nathan lee gave it a really positive review and he hated the characters too
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
some of the critics ive read seem to object to the characters based on the fact that theyre young/good-looking/semi-affluent, i guess.
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe it's the critics all having a personal dislike of the Remarkably Lifelike Young New Yorkers the characters represent?
haha xp max
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
i would def bro down with hud but i would much rather sleep with beth and the go to coney island
― max, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
what's the particular angle that people keep saying that has never been done before?
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link
-- max, Friday, January 18, 2008 4:36 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, January 18, 2008 4:37 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
ding ding ding
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Hud is an 00s type in a Knocked Up/Superbad way -- the kids' equivalent of Gen-X dudes. I didn't mind that.
haha, brodown with Plainview, not a good idea.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Ste, Friday, January 18, 2008 4:42 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
jewish monster
Or you could say he's FALSTAFFIAN.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
jewish, falstaffian, same diff.
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry for context;
Director Matt Reeves is confident of success: "No one's done anything like this before. It's a monster movie for the YouTube generation."
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Making a monster movie filmed with a single camera from one character's point of view is the new thing.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
monster film made in shakey cam mode? because i though the shakey cam was only a small fraction of the movie.
War of the Worlds centered around a small group of unknowns in the midst of a major disaster
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
xp
― Ste, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Ste, Friday, January 18, 2008 4:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
this bidonkulous angle from the ground at like 60 degrees towards the skyline... lol do you see what i did? there are lots of scenes where the person holding the camera is running or falling over, a lot of low-light, shit like that. which 'blair witch' did only without giant fucking monsters/military shit happening all over.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
'war of the worlds' is definitely a precursor, but still close-ish to emmerich-ness.
no the angle im talking about is the taped-over thing.
― s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
god i really don't like roland emmerich
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
war of hte worlds defly on the same track. the important thing to me isnt so much the footage thing as the alignment with characters that in another disaster movie would be incidental or extras.
This movie was FUCKING AWESOME. It's pretty much exactly what I want from a cinematic experience.
― HI DERE, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
i spent way too much time on different forums following the viral marketing backstory and as such got sucked into spoiling the movie for myself. since i've seen the monster and learned who dies how and in what order i'm not holding out a whole lot of hope for staying entertained at this tonight. i guess it will be a good test of how much the ent. value of a film like this depends on surprise.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 January 2008 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link
we went to see this tonight. i was looking forward to a brainless entertaining hour or two, and toby was genuinely excited for it. we got seats in the first row of stadium seating (so not the way close front, but at ground level), which we frequently do. by the time the party ended, i was having a hard time not throwing up from motion sickness from the handheld. i thought it was just me, so asked toby for some gum and turns out he was the same. we both had to go out to the hallway and get some air. moved back in the theater which helped a little, but i felt queazy until i hit fresh air and toby is still feeling crap now.
not necessarily SPOILERS but detail you might not want to read if you haven't seen it: i thought the monster was really cool at the beginning, when you could only see glimpses of him. when he was all out and about he looked kind of lame to me. i probably would have enjoyed it more if they hadn't tried to cram the love story in there. they could have done a *lot* more destruction of new york landmarks than they did. i didn't hate the movie, but it was a real disappointment. and it's never good when you leave a film physically ill! (i also thought the "handheld" thing wasn't necessary, you could have used more steady cameras for the bulk of the film and still give the impression it was on a camcorder)
― colette, Saturday, 19 January 2008 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link
she evidently read a book about postmodernism in the '80s:
SOOOO OTM re: Manohla (who has also fancied herself a bit of a dialectical materialist at times). She is an ass.
That bullshit is exactly what pomo's poops on, too. Pomo would be accepting that "actual lived experience" enjoys no ontological privilege vis-a-vis "the camera eye".
― rogermexico., Saturday, 19 January 2008 03:54 (sixteen years ago) link
so, so disappointing. worst thing i've seen at the cinema since knocked up, i guess. the guy holding the camcorder was totally fucking irritating, all the monsters were lame, the plot was crap... great trailer, terrible film.
― toby, Saturday, 19 January 2008 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
worst thing i've seen at the cinema since knocked up
If you could please submit a list of movies you hated to my email so I can go see them, that would be great.
― John Justen, Saturday, 19 January 2008 04:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I liked this quite a bit. Just got back from it, still sort of working out more of a response than WHEEEEEEE!
― John Justen, Saturday, 19 January 2008 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link
MORE SPOILER TIME: agreed that this should have ended with the helicopter crash. That's the suspension of disbelief breaking point. monster closeup, extended flight into park are both totally pointless.
in fact the film would have been better off (and scarier obv) with just glimpses of claws, eyes, and tail (see colette above) We see the babies, so we can imagine how the mama looks. Whenever i got a good look at the thing, i kind of felt "oh yeah, it's just a movie monster". of course denying that would amount to commercial suicide, i'm just saying.
and as slocki (or enrique or whoever sorry) said, taping over their day at coney island was a stroke of genius.
also since it's purportedly real footage the only music is incidental, and after NCFOM it practically feels like a trend. Sound design team got worked on this film.
one more thing: our expectations of characterization are different in the first 10 minutes then in the rest of the film. All the heavy lifting is done before/at the party, and it's kind of insufferable. hud being rob's lapdog was kind of wtf but works as a setup later. Otherwise it's just bland kids and their homogeneously important lives. Every passing second I was dying for "the moment" to come. Dargis gets it right about the monster mercifully killing the party. It's just that nobody wants to see this overexposed generation in repose. There's at least 50 tv channels already devoted to that. Once the monster hits, and their motivations shift, it's easier to sympathize, although they're digging themselves out of a hole created by this intro.
aside from that, solid.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Saturday, 19 January 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked it. short and intense.
― latebloomer, Saturday, 19 January 2008 04:35 (sixteen years ago) link
like glenn danzig.
does everyone really hate young white kids that much?
― max, Saturday, 19 January 2008 04:57 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf am i saying of corse they do
the part was sort of boring i guess but, like, most parties are sort of boring.
― max, Saturday, 19 January 2008 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link
dude max we are basically the most worthless generation ever and we embrace that about ourselves every minute of every day. of course everyone hates young white people. huh let's see what demographic has done nothing for anybody lately? oh shit it's white people under 35! lol they're not even worth courting in elections!
which puts me in the odd position of would I like to see a bunch of us get mauled and smashed and blowed up and aten by a monster and her kids or would I rather put on apollo 13 again and pretend the golden age isn't over
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 January 2008 05:09 (sixteen years ago) link
I am the oldest 29 year old alive
Sorry, Toby.
― Eazy, Saturday, 19 January 2008 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link
hmmm. happy to report, btw that it's not spoilered at all!
― moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 19 January 2008 08:19 (sixteen years ago) link
dont get me wrong i hate white people as much as the next guy i just dont get why the ones in this movie deserve so much scorn. is it because they listen to the gorillaz?
― max, Saturday, 19 January 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
i know right. foundas said it was like mumblecore in that way, but somehow covered it so that mumblecore was less bad. lily was maybe mixed-race? and the goth chick was lebanese in 'mean girls' (+ reality?).
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 19 January 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
She reminded me of Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club.
― Eazy, Saturday, 19 January 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought this pretty much kicked ass.
culturally it is 'interesting,' i think its presentation of OMG CUET WITE PPL IN DANGER is equivocal: it is the unfair state of play in america's self-representation, but is easily easily read as a 'critique' of same
― gff, Saturday, 19 January 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
so, we have clouds of smoke and debris billowing down manhattan canyon streets... much later we have someone saying "maybe like our government MADE this thing, i dunno! maybe it was an accident..." yes very clever mister political content writer man!!
― gff, Saturday, 19 January 2008 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Just watched it. YAWN. I mean, I guess I see what they were trying to do with giant monster attack as manifestation of cheating guilt/oh-my-world-is-shatteredness, but still. Ugly and boring.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf are you talking about
― HI DERE, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
The way the attack starts just as the OMG DRAMATIC soap opera shit starts, and then carries through the whole blurry-ass picture with the monster seperating the TROO LOOFAHS and then the horny loser dude dies alone but not before the object of his affection is TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM BY FATEZILLA and all that shit.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I dunno, maybe I'm pulling this out my ass more than usual trying to come up with something - anything - to say about this waste of my time and money. Lord knows I didn't really care about any of the personal problems and the details thereof are rapidly fading from memory.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I think you should investigate the "pulling this out of <your> ass" scenario considering that mkaing the whole thing an allegory for cheating that never actually happened would be kind of dumb.
― HI DERE, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Also I think that the people complaining about the love story completely misunderstood the entire movie.
― HI DERE, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, i was thinking the same thing.
― John Justen, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
nobody seems to be talking about how awesome it is to see a modern movie where the "monster" has zero motivation or characterization other than HULK SMASH
― John Justen, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
im hoping this will be another one of those really divisive movies where a person's like or dislike of it will allow me to quickly judge their worth
― max, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought for sure the cheating happened, but as I may have mentioned, I don't really care. Also, it doesn't matter for my interpretation to be true: the allegedly betrayed guy only has to believe it happened.
Anyway, I'm done with the movie and the thread now. Have fun, gaiz!
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
this film is about a fucking big monster attack, fuck off with the 'will-my-eng-lit-teacher-be-impressed' bs.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
(sucked in again)
I LIKE monster attacks, when they're good. Shit, I saw this on a January opening weekend, right? Proof of hope right there. The Host was one of my favorites of 07. But if all that soap opera shit didn't have a purpose in the movie why was it there at all?
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
dude, i have absolutely no idea WTF you are talking about with this cheating/betrayal thing.
― John Justen, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i think maybe you watched "closer" by mistake and got confused.
― John Justen, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
rob and beth were never dating. they have been friends for a long time, and rob has had a secret crush on her. six weeks before the attack, they slept together and spent the day at coney island. rob videotaped most of it. six weeks later, rob's brother and his brother's girlfriend throw a good-bye party for rob, which hud--rob's best friend--is videotaping. at the party we learn that rob hasn't called or talked to beth since the day they went to coney island. to make matters worse, beth brings a new date to the party. no one cheated on anyone.
― max, Saturday, 19 January 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
It wasn't particularly hard to follow!
― HI DERE, Saturday, 19 January 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
"troo loofahs"?
― s1ocki, Saturday, 19 January 2008 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
netflix.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Skipping 666 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.
― Pillbox, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link
tom i don't get that
― gff, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Fine, fine. My head is up my ass about all that boring emo shit. Still, it was a boring, ugly movie. I mean, I don't ask much from my monster thrillers, but they should have plenty of monster, and plenty of thrills. So, 0 for 2, Cloverfield! Nice work.
― Oilyrags, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link
gff that is the one detail I needed to hear that tipped the meter over to netflix. as in "see it this week" -> "see it three weeks from now" -> "see it only if you wind up with a date who really wants to" -> "netflix" -> "transatlantic flight"
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:06 (sixteen years ago) link
no it's better than that! worth it on the big screen... tho small screen may be an interesting way to see the 'verite'-ness of it.
i read movies pretty hard for contemporary politics, the stuff leaps out at me, maybe too much. i think it's a credit to the film that so many little questions are raised thru tossed-off details that are never answered. (of course nothing is 'tossed-off' in any movie, ever)
― gff, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link
most of the lines harrison ford said in the seventies and eighties were tossed-off
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:21 (sixteen years ago) link
heh well harrison rex is not in this movie!
tyler cowen:
I thought this was a remarkable cinematic event. But you need to know that the characters are supposed to be vacuous and annoying, and that the opening scene is supposed to be obnoxious and superficial. The heroism is supposed to be thin. (The whiney NYT review I read is, in retrospect, an embarrassment.) And that the movie is supposed to make you feel physically nauseated. You are in fact witnessing a disaster. Most of all this is a movie about how the young'uns have no tools for moral discourse and that all they can do is utter banalities and take endless pictures of each other and record their lives for no apparent purpose. I can't recall any other movie that so completely devastates its intended demographic. The integration of sound blips and flashing lights is brilliant. The homage to the tanks attacking Godzilla is loving. I didn't even know how good this movie was until after the halfway point. Bravo.
― gff, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link
did critics want a bunch of academics to be the main characters?
― max, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
my dinner with cloverfield
cloverfield monster vs. baudrillard shouting YOU ARE AN EVIL CONSTRUCTION
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link
The Squid and The Whale and the Holy Shit, Run.
― Eazy, Sunday, 20 January 2008 10:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Melinda and Melinda, The Rats Are Running The Other Way
― Eazy, Sunday, 20 January 2008 10:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Most of all this is a movie about how the young'uns have no tools for moral discourse and that all they can do is utter banalities and take endless pictures of each other and record their lives for no apparent purpose. I can't recall any other movie that so completely devastates its intended demographic.
this is idiotic in the extreme. how the fuck would he have people react to a giant fucking monster attacking? what weighty questions of morality come up in that situation? do people in darfur or gaza have these "tools" for "moral discourse", and if they don't, does that make them less human? who has these tools and where did they get 'em?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 20 January 2008 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link
it only works as a "devastation of the intended demo" if the monster is identified with, like, something the kids have brought upon themselves -- which doesn't even work for al-queda unless you think rich twentysomethings ran US foreign policy in the 80s and made us dependent on oil etc etc etc. but the film gives no reason to identify the monster with al-quaeda.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 20 January 2008 10:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm stunned that two days after the film hit, you still can't find online in-film pictures or youtube yet. STUNNED. Aren't we at a point where this should've leaked prior to release? I tell ya, kids these days...
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:12 (sixteen years ago) link
the monster is our parents retiring
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link
you'd like to think the government can bail you out but NOPE
yr just fucked
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
wow this movie is turning a lot of writers into complete morons
― s1ocki, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
is cloverfield the film critics' 9/11?
plz 2 explain
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
ffs guys i'm embarassed i haven't seen it yet
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
dude how many hours have you wasted on slusho websites or whatever the fuck that viral marketing shit was and you STILL haven't seen the movie? cloverfield is YOUR 9/11.
― s1ocki, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I KNOW DUDE SRSLY
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Tried to get to midnight showing the other night, didn't happen. Hopefully I'll head out tomorrow night or maybe even tonight.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link
ok you tried. that's different.
― s1ocki, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
if HOOS doesn't see it before the week is out the monster has already won.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 20 January 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
loved this
― and what, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
hoos get your act together
― max, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
ok dudes i'm seeing it tonight
(lol gf said to "do recon" re: movie times)
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Loved this. So many people in the theater I watched it at were livid when it was finished, I think they were expecting some sort of bullshit happy ending like with War of the Worlds.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah the crowd here actually booed the ending & after we left there was a big line outside and dude who saw it yelled EVERYBODY YALL DONT SEE CLOVERFIELD!!! THAT SHIT SUCKED!!!!
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link
crazy!
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, now I'm *really* psyched for it. (Going tomorrow morning.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah there was booing in the theater where i was too for a midnight showing! ppl are idiots.
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I think they were expecting <s>some sort of bullshit happy ending like with War of the Worlds</s> an actual fucking monster movie instead of some boring ass emo yuppies.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf is with the "emo" complaint? seriously did you even see this movie?
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Have you ever seen a real monster movie?
― Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:25 (sixteen years ago) link
have you ever felt a real emotion?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:29 (sixteen years ago) link
never have i ever
― remy bean, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I cried when they shot King Kong off the Empire State Building.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:30 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.the-reelgillman.com/munsters/images/herman_crying.jpg
― remy bean, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link
We belong dead!
― Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link
people booed this?? that's just nutty
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:45 (sixteen years ago) link
holy fucking christ u guys
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:52 (sixteen years ago) link
nothing is ever the same now
people also booed at my theater and i heard at least two people say "it was really good but the ending REALLY SUCKED!"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:54 (sixteen years ago) link
*SPOILER*..They boo because the terrorists win. Seriously. No revenge.
― Eazy, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:54 (sixteen years ago) link
jesus christ that's depressing.
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:56 (sixteen years ago) link
This was a disaster movie with a monster as the disaster. There is no explanation and little or no exposition. Any references to 9/11 were mercifully brief and obvious. I didn't like the characters, but I didn't have to. I identified with the camera--the immediacy of it. I was drawn into the movie by being asked to believe that this is a real tape; the people on the tape are almost incidental. It's a pretty honest movie in that it is basically a POV thrill ride, and I think it was very successful. I had fun. I don't know how anybody could be confused about what happened in that movie. Cheating? What?
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Guys for all the talk about "taking pictures of themselves" and shit, I got a really strong impression that the film sorta anticipates and deflates those suggestions.
Can't see Rob's face cause there's a fucking camera in the way. Hud is taping the televisions. They're cut off from reality and can't feel anything, right? Right? Oh except holy shit are they ever still capable of feeling real fucking life when it hits.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 05:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Nobody booed at the end of my screening, though one woman did ask why the movie was called Cloverfield. Maybe related to Oilyrags?
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I think he's reaching a bit, but the movie certainly doesn't have a lot of love for its main characters. The question is whether that's because the writers were "devastating the intended demographic" or because most of the characters were going to be dead before too long anyway.
― Nathan, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:03 (sixteen years ago) link
One of my favorite moments is when bystanders pull out their camera phones to take pics of statue of liberty head. It felt realistic. This is what people did right after 35W bridge collapse.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link
i think the biggest problem with the movie is the title, which is terrible. can't believe they actually stuck with hit. abrams kind of outsmarted himself there.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Nathan, Monday, January 21, 2008 6:03 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
how can you say a movie where the last shot is the lead characters snuggling and smiling at the camera doesn't love its characters??
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I did love that moment of everyond taking cameraphone photos of the Statue of Liberty head. Credible, too, because it's early in the attack. Xpost haha
― Eazy, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i find the crit of this film that focuses on the characters' shallowness just baffling. wtf would you do if a monster was running around your town?
argh i know im totally setting myself up for zings but can someone who disliked the characters explain what specifically was so dislikable/obnoxious about them?
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link
is there something really awful about all 20 somethings that i just can see because im in my 20s?
*cant
I loved the shot near the tail end with Rob/Beth & her hair blowing in the wind, very sorta 1950s melodrama homage.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:08 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost to max: i think one of them cheated on Oilyrags or something
― John Justen, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:09 (sixteen years ago) link
it's some weird projection or something. i dunno man. i mean take the scene where dude has to pick up the call from his mom for instance. that was harsh! regardless of how you think they play it they're hardly setting these kids up as dead-eyed emotionless youtube-craving sociopaths
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:09 (sixteen years ago) link
xxp
Even though the whole love story thing (not the point, of course) followed the standard trajectory, I couldn't help identifying. Hud is like some dopey guys I know, and I really felt it when we lost characters.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I have no problem with the title. It is the name of the military operation. We are not told why it is called Cloverfield, just as we know nothing about the monster.
As to what I didn't like about the characters, I just didn't identify with them. They were unattractive and uninteresting, but I didn't feel strongly about them. Even so, I could identify with their pathos in the moment because of the nature of the events into which they were placed.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Never boring, but not too engaging either. The characters weren't hateable (though camera dude's pathetic schtick got old) just flat and uninteresting - I didn't care when any of them died (vs. either Dawn of the Dead where they had personalities and stuff).
The setup at the beginning would have been more effective if I hadn't seen the trailer.
Awesome seeing the Old Ones in another movie besides Hellboy and The Mist, though.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I just thought that throughout the movie there wasn't much attention paid to developing the characters or giving any reason why the audience should feel attached to them. They spend the first 15 minutes of the movie being vapid and a little annoying ("Dude, you've totally loved Beth since college, bro!"), then the monster hits and they get picked off one by one. As a viewer, I reacted to their deaths, but only because they were unpleasant and gruesome, not because I particularly cared about them or their fate.
The last shot, incidentally, might be a clue to the origin of the monster. Though I didn't see this myself, I've heard that something falls from the sky and splashes into the water behind them as they're looking at the camera.
xpost - Fluffy Bear OTM.
― Nathan, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously, if you didn't like it you didn't like it, but fuck the people booing at the end.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I was also under the impression something happens after the credits? No dice.
Hud's commentary sounds like just about every party tape I've ever seen.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I heard another dude say this on the way out, but I didn't see it either.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:16 (sixteen years ago) link
the whole first half hour is spent setting up the characters!!
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:17 (sixteen years ago) link
and i dont care if cloverfield is the name of the military operation, why does that make it a good title?? i didnt say it was an arbitrary or completely irrelevant title, just a lame one!
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i think they just fucked up on that bit
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:21 (sixteen years ago) link
they shoulda called it "GRRRRRR!"
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:24 (sixteen years ago) link
people not being able to differentiate between a "sad" ending and a bad one is driving me nuts, and all this talk about 'identifying' with characters is kind of getting the same way.
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:24 (sixteen years ago) link
By the third installment of other stories happening simoltaneously (directed by Whit Stillman, with the second installment written by Richard Price and set in Jersey City), the title will be abundantly poignant.
― Eazy, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:27 (sixteen years ago) link
For me, the party scene was all about lulling me into a sense of the mundane.
I understand what people are saying about the title, but for me the title is irrelevant; my only requirement is that it has absolutely no context other than as a label for the incident.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:28 (sixteen years ago) link
For me, the party scene was all about lulling me into a sense of the <s>mundane</s>banal.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:28 (sixteen years ago) link
damn
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Has anybody watched a home video that wasn't banal?
(HI DERE cooking video is an exception)
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Parties captured on YouTube are banal because they're shot by amateurs and not intended for distribution. I bet Abrams and Co studied some of them.
― Eazy, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Nathan Lee's Voice review is unreadable
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Alternate title: So Gonna Happen.
― Eazy, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I would have gone with Oh Shit
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Damn, Son
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link
For Real, Though
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:36 (sixteen years ago) link
trailer for Step Up 2: The Streets looked good
people in the theater audibly gasped @ Star Trek teaser
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:37 (sixteen years ago) link
That's going to be HUGE. I think the TV shows were diluting the buzz for the last few movies.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:38 (sixteen years ago) link
btw guys I sat in the third row with the gf cause there were no seats left.
she couldn't get up at the end. nearly hyperventilated at one point.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:38 (sixteen years ago) link
-- milo z, Monday, January 21, 2008 6:36 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
THERE WAS A STEP UP 1?
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link
god i am so isolated in my bubble of monster movies and online scabble
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:40 (sixteen years ago) link
scrabble, even
Granted I've only seen Audition once or what have you, but this is probably the most intense movie experience like in my life.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Why? I guess what I'm not seeing is what held anyone's interest. Did anything happen that wasn't expected? Was there any climax to the action that was different from anything that came before or after?
I though the movie basically wasted its money shot in 25 minutes (Statue of Liberty head) and then it's just a wait until everyone dies or gets saved, but who cares because the onslaught of creepy-crawlies and deaths comes at the same tempo for fifty minutes.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link
When I say it's intense I'm referring to the visceral feel of the first-person.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:05 (sixteen years ago) link
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I, like a few others, kinda wish it had ended with "target is still at large." Broke through the suspension of disbelief wall when everybody survived the crash and Beth was suddenly able to run and Rob goes back to get the camera after watching his main dude get got. ehhhhh.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link
oh, I thought that was a terrible gimmick. Would have been better to do the first person thing for the party and the beginning of the disaster, but then cut it out for the rest. Too many silly shots of rushing back for the camera or pointless intercutting of Happier Days. (Which is an argument for the laziness and shitty characters - we had to be told why this was happening, rather than it feeling organic.)
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm having a hard time thinking of an movie that tried this kind of relentless pacing and had it actually work. These movies are always terrible - they waste the impact of the carnage/action/superheroic activity by keeping it a constant pitch.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:12 (sixteen years ago) link
just describing what happened in this movie and how it was structured, but putting 'pointless' and 'shitty' in every sentence, isn't convincing me
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Too many silly shots of rushing back for the camera or pointless intercutting of Happier Days
I counted. There were four shots that cut back to "happier days," and overall they couldn't have lasted more than 3 minutes.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Not saying that negates your point necessarily, just saying calling them "too many" seems a stretch to me given how few/short they are overall.
But now I'm off for the night to do some dishes and placate the shaken mate with some Stargate SG-1. Have fun, be back later.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:17 (sixteen years ago) link
xp - You forgot silly.
Four is too many! Just like there were probably four or five shots of rushing back for the camera - also too many. I just think it's an incredibly lazy way to tell the story (not requiring the characters to act in a believable manner because we're told this is True Love or whatever), or kind of shuffle away from their not being a story, and it undermines the entire "just as we found it" gimmick that they ran with the rest of the time (including said shots of running back to the camera).
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 07:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Ended up seeing it tonight...good, admirable, not the greatest thing ever. Worth seeing, though.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link
o shi, rly? need verification!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 10:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Preview tickets (27th Jan) for Londoners available here
― nate woolls, Monday, 21 January 2008 11:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Now all I can think of is Groverfield, where the residents of New York's Sesame Street are mercilessly picked off by the monster. Ernie goes back to save Bert, but will he get to him in time? Grover and Abby Cadabby die violent horrible deaths.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, January 21, 2008 6:28 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link
is that really the way you judge movie titles? that they serve as appropriate "labels" for the "incidents" that occur in the films?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link
should any movie involving a crime just be called by its police case number?
i like the title, still has an air of mystery even after you've seen it.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:55 (sixteen years ago) link
ya, like "why the fuck did they pick such a lame title??"
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:58 (sixteen years ago) link
i didn't like the title.
forget it jake, it's cloverfield.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I liked this. Saw it on a Sunday afternoon in a half-full theater, so it didn't feel as awkward to sit in silence at the very end as it probably did for the people who went all pumped on on Friday/Saturday night and decided to boo at the ending, although it still felt pretty bleak even with the Coney Island bit. I was shivering and shaking the whole movie, and am still not sure how much of that was the cold of the theater. The dialogue was occasionally pretty clunky but for the most part I was fine with the characters. The whole "we gotta find Beth" thing was irritating at first but it was at least a worthwhile device to keep the characters off the beaten path of just keeping within the evacuating crowds, and the leaning building setpiece was a pretty cool payoff for that.
One thing I liked, that noone really commented on, is that at the end when Rob is talking to the camera, saying "if you're watching this, you probably know more than me," but of course, we don't. I'm a little excited at the idea that the box office success might mean some kind of sequels or spinoffs, but at the same time I don't know how much I want the mystique/ambiguity of it spoiled.
Really funny to me that the "Jamie and Teddy" of all those HOOS-beloved viral videos were barely in the movie (or were they in there at all? I don't even remember seeing them in the party but I guess they were in the background somewhere). And also that ALL of the illustrations and "leaked" photos of big monster/little monster models turned out to not really resemble the real thing at all.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:49 (52 minutes ago) Link
is this the real nicole or some lame new nicole doing custos schtick
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link
No, I have just turned lame.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link
And I just want to see something bad happen to Elmo.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
S1ocki, the point is that, given the way the movie is presented (ie, as a piece of evidence related to an incident code-named "Cloverfield"), the title is wholly appropriate.
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i like the title a lot. what the hell else would you call it?
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
its just close enough to being meaningful without actually meaning anything, which i like
Also: after all the assumptions that the movie was taking place on 1-18-08 (where were at least in part egged on by the timestamped photos on the official 1-18-08.com website), turns out this all takes place on May 22, year unspecified. Which makes more sense, I guess, the people in the movie definitely weren't dressed for January in NYC, and didn't seem to feel cold outside (and all the explosions and fires probably wouldn't have been enough to make it considerably warmer).
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
detective work
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I have no problem w/ the title really, although I think I would've liked one of the rumored titles, Overnight, better. I think they went with Cloverfield at least partly because calling the monster "the Cloverfield monster" is more iconic/catchy than any of the alternatives.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean if they do keep the brand going with any sequels or comic books or video games or whatever, it works to have it be "Cloverfield: the blah blah blah" instead of "Overnight: the blah" or "Monstrous: the blah."
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
calling it cloverfield is a pretty hilarious fuck-you to when ppl were still nerding out and every week like ACTUAL CLOVERFIELD TITLE REVEALED?!???
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Meyers: The rest of you start writers thinking up a name for this funkydog; I dunno, something along the line of say... Poochie, only more proactive. Krusty: Yeah! [Meyers, Krusty and the lady leave] Oakley: So, Poochie okay with everybody?
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
i still kinda wish the monster had turned out to be a giant mutated shamrock
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link
custos appreciation thread
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked the whale-looking monster a LOT more than the eventual godzilla 98 bullshit
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
How can we appreciate him since he isn't really gone?
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
why bother making monster look like it could be a dude in a suit when it doesnt have to be a dude in a suit
referring to this dude http://www.beyondhollywood.com/stillsx/2007/09/cloverfield-monster-picture-1.jpg
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link
also the shit with the lice was kinda lame... i didnt need some lil dudes running around on the ground when all this shit is going on up top, and the part where one of the soldiers gets slammed by one of em was the most moviefied starship troopers looking moment of the whole film
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
no disrespect to starship troopers
I know we're way past SPOILER ALERT but: what do you guys think happens exactly to people who got bitten? The scene with Marlena dying went by so fast that I wasn't totally sure what happened once they quarantined her -- it looked like she might've exploded, or she was about to and they shot her? The way the army guys freaked out when they saw her bleeding makes you wonder if it's something more -- like it's contagious or there's a monster inside her, Alien-style, or something, which is maybe what they were trying to say with the shot of the guy on the gurney looking like his stomach had been ripped out. I know noone has answers and it's nerdy to ask, but I was wondering if everyone else feels like it was pretty obvious and I just missed something.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the little lice (babies?) were a good/important touch, if only to up the danger level so that you can't just go underground and the big monster can't get to you. I mean if that was the case it would be a lot easier to just find a hiding place and wait it out, so it'd be considerably less scary.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess i just think if youre going for realism in shit like this its good to keep it simple as possible... one monster and people get deaded if they get real fucked up instead of walking 800 flights of stairs with a handrail jammed through their chest
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
xp yeah i guess so but i kinda liked the idea of a monster movie where the most dangerous shit is falling debris and collapse instead of direct mano-e-monstro interaction
all the stuff im suggesting would just make the movie even likelier to get booed though so its not worth thinking about
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
-- and what, Monday, January 21, 2008 10:09 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
so wait, do you think the big thing that attacked the bridge from the water and the big thing attacking buildings on land were 2 different things? because I just assumed all the "land/water/air monster superfriends" speculation was a red herring and it was just one big monster and its little babies.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
by the whale-looking monster i meant the whale-looking monster in the concept jpg i just posted.... the movie was consistent with a pretty weak monster
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
never heard any land/water/air monster superfriend spec lololl
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
and i definitely like the idea that the lil dudes were lice more than them being big momma monsters babies but even then... i dunno, parasites who live on big animals arent really known for their ability to scamper around and fuck shit up, are they?
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
ha triple x-post
no he's referring to the fake mutated whale-monster design that was "leaked" a few months back. i actually liked that one better, too.
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
its just kinda this stuff that disappoints me if youre going for that whole lovecraft feel, making the monster have two arms and two legs and forcing these lil dudes into the movie so they can be the same size as people and they can fight with them
ah that image was broken for me so i didn't know what you meant
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the movie would have worked a bit better if we never really saw all of the monster -- maybe just part of a claw or tentacle or something. The actual monster was too Lord of the Rings looking to be too scary.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
i hated godzilla 98 for that too... the velociraptor-looking baby godzillas, so dudes could rumble with 6 ft tall motherfuckers instead of just a big monster
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
and yeah like everybody says it was 100% better when you just saw parts
not to dick ride but and what/ al in balt conjure up a good movie thread out of the blue in pleasant surprise of the month
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 January 2008 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought when the girl got bit she blew up like exploded.... i dunno if lil lice dudes come out of their stomaches or if theres just some kinda disease that fucked them up but it was unexpected as hell
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
part where camera dude turns around and shes standing there with blood coming out of her eye and starts barfing... i be like damn
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm a little excited at the idea that the box office success might mean some kind of sequels or spinoffs, but at the same time I don't know how much I want the mystique/ambiguity of it spoiled.
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/covergallery/img/2000/oct202000_564_lg.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
that movie has some defenders on ilx O_o
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
ill defend the funny first 20 minutes + naked wiccan
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
rip richard fansworth
I think the movie showed maybe a little too much of the monster but was still pretty successful in withholding a little ambiguity, so that I was still really looking hard at every glance I got of it, trying to figure out how many limbs it had or which way the joints bended or how its mouth or eyes work. If you asked me to draw a picture of it after seeing the movie, I'm not sure I'd be able to with any degree of detail or accuracy.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link
So this Blair Witch meets the Host more than Blair Witch meets Godzilla
― da croupier, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
oh wait except its huge
― da croupier, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
blair witch project is really really good btw
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I haven't seen it since it came out but I really liked BWP at the time. Always curious if haters immediately didn't like it or just over time decided it was lame.
― da croupier, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Blair Wytches With Problems
― da croupier, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
i think its a lot more believable that blair witch project dude would keep the camera on the whole time while lost in the woods than that cloverfield dude would keep the camera on while new york gets destroyed and all his friends die in front of him
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
also big lol at 'maybe the govt created it' CLOVERFIELD TRUTHER!! RON PAUL 08!!!
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
they should've gone the BWP route and try to convince retards it was real
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't mind the handful of times Hud drops and picks up the camera, or keeps it on during weird times, because they did a decent job of establishing his personality/perspective as someone who would do that. It only really tests my disbelief at the end when Rob picks up the camera, too.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I really liked BWP at the time as well and still think it works. The first time I saw it, that final scene kept me awake later that evening, I barely got to sleep! Cloverfield's final scenes didn't have that impact but I agree that if it had ended on the 'target is active' bit then that would have been something.
Cosign.
I think the movie would have worked a bit better if we never really saw all of the monster -
Yeah, the money shot at the end -- monster in full daylight! -- was, well, sorta there.
I see where and what's coming from about only wanting a big monster instead of little guys as well but I thought the little ones were used just enough times -- a couple of times to put you on edge if more would suddenly burst out of nowhere but not enough to where you were always expecting them.
Al OTM on the Marlena dies scene, suggestive but fuck knows exactly what happens, and you don't need to know.
I muttered elsewhere that I could never really get completely inside the film, I was analyzing it as I watched, and that's a big reason I wasn't fully happy with it. The filmmakers aimed for the 'fit in the expected scenes/scenarios of any number of horror/disaster films' level -- no problem with that at all -- crosscutting with the handheld documentary camera style, and they couldn't fully hide the former elements inside the latter. Things like when Hud takes all those shots of the Brooklyn Bridge towers -- it was pretty obvious that the Bridge was going down soon thereafter! (Similarly the night vision bit -- "Okay, there's going to be some bad things right behind them," etc. -- and again I have no problem with all these tropes, you expect them and they're what the filmmakers said they wanted to do, make a really good horror/disaster movie, but I ended up thinking about how they staged and edited those moments more than the story.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I agree that everything after the helicopter crash was forced, solely because of the initial 5 minutes after the crash. The end thing with Rob and Beth was great, though, and almost justified the nonsense with Hud getting munched.
(The foley dudes deserve an OScar for the sounds when Hud got munched, though! Ugh.)
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost: You knew something bad was going to be behind them because of the swarm of rats running past their feet, not because dude said, "Turn on the night vision!" I thought that whole thing was hilariously awesome because Hud turned on the night vision and was immediately all, "Okay, run."
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
You knew something bad was going to be behind them because of the swarm of rats running past their feet, not because dude said, "Turn on the night vision!"
Yeah, true, me jumping ahead a bit there. It's a fine line -- there's nothing wrong with signaling your intentions in a movie but this didn't quite make it work at many points.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link
That moment with the rats was one of my favorites.
― Eazy, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
fluffy bear OTM about the title--if the movie is supposed to be a recovered artifact, you cant give it a "title"; youre forced by your own devices to call it the most basic & neutral thing possible
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
people on this thread are right about things that would have made it better, especially beth being all cool despite what should have been huge gaping wound in shoulder--also pissed me off that at the end you can see her moving her arm which was like... she just had a POLE in that thing how is she moving it
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
when dude was hugging and pawing at her shoulder at the end i kept waiting for her to be like FUUUUUUCK but instead shes all loving up on dude... i dunno maybe it severed the nerves or some shit im not a doctor
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link
de-impaling her was a pretty great flinch moment but i woulda preferred if she'd just been buried under rubble instead having a fuckin 3 inch hole through her torso
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
what happened to her guy?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
The anecdotal stories here about being in audiences where everyone else was pissed off are being reflected elsewhere:
The question for "Cloverfield," after such a highly anticipated opening, is whether it can sustain its momentum in the coming weeks.Although critics were bullish, Paramount acknowledged that audience survey responses were weaker than expected in light of the turnout.
Although critics were bullish, Paramount acknowledged that audience survey responses were weaker than expected in light of the turnout.
My crowd at the end -- a couple of seconds of silence and then some low-key muttering.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
The other great thing about that subway moment was that they were already half-running because of the rats and they decided to stop and see what was actually behind them... oops!
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i really wonder what's pissing people off about the end? i thought this really earned its tragic ending. i know it's a marketing maxim that you can't have main characters die, but it would have been much worse if they lived.
that said, it's still possible that beth and rob live. either the bombing gets them, or the monsters... or neither! you gotta think it would be unlikely for cleanup crews to find a little handicam in a pile of rubble if someone didn't tip them off. just sayin.
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think it would've been totally implausible, if they'd set it up right, for a couple main characters to be alive at the end: I mean, aside from the little lice, which aren't impossible to fight off, there's only one monster, and it can't possibly go everywhere in the city and kill everyone who didn't evacuate. As it was, though, yeah, it would've been lame for them to survive after the monster had already seen them in the park.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
the mutter about 'protocols' from the military guys in bloomingdales suggested shit was going to get pretty stone-age on manhattan island.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
otoh the tape survives.
The only thing about the end that I thought strained credibility was the fact that Beth, Rob and Hud survived the helicopter crash. The interplay between Beth and Rob after that was fantastic, particularly when juxtaposed with the scene from the original tape.
If they'd gotten to Central Park a different way, like say by running there from Columbus Circle after the monster decimates their pickup area, it would have been more credible.
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I also think it's more likely that they knew about the other chopper from Lily and the crew who got her out than from poor crushed Beth and Rob.
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess we can assume Lily had a chance of survival, though? I'm glad nothing happened to her helicopter onscreen, that would've tipped the I Am Legend deja vu overboard.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah the scene where they both talk to the camera was great, dunno why we needed the helicopter shit except maybe they wanted a full shot of the monster from above?
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link
cue nabisco to post 1500 word script of the monster arguing with his agent to have his whole body shown in the film
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link
the shot of the bombing was totally worth the helicopter shit
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
not to get all morbid fangoria, but i'm with andwhat; i wanted to see people get a little more damaged. movie convention is that people are either dead, or alive in full fighting health, no matter how much wound makeup they have on. it'd be nice to see the shock of that idea thrown out. people with building materials put through the upper thorax are gonna have mobility problems. if you survive a helicopter crash, you will have some broken bones, be babbling and disoriented, etc
ok i am being morbid fangoria
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Not calum-esque enough to be morbid fangoria.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link
i had a pretty calum-esque reaction to the girls in this movie
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Beth had severe mobility problems at first; I think all of her superhuman-in-the-circumstances flight sequences (of which I can remember 2; one sprint to the evac point and the helicopter escape) can be slightly handwaved by adrenaline.
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link
You are at a drunken party and you end up playing strip poker with Beth, Lily, Marlene and Hud (in a big banana suit) - how do you cheat so Hud and you remain clothed but the others don't?
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link
still regret that i never started that horror blog with calum and mark s
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
still regret not asking how playing strip poker in a banana suit works -- like are you at a disadvantage because you only have one garment to take off, or can you peel it off like an actual banana peel?
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HHXZCS8JL._AA280_.jpg
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
That would have been great.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I agree with Ned that the movie was constantly begging my willing cooperation and at times it was hard not to pull back away from the first person experience. I think the big difference between our experiences was that when Abrams's crew was like, here are all our excuses for why these things are happening like this, I was like, sure, the ride is worth it--disbelief suspended.
One of the biggest problems was how much footage Hud was shooting. That wasn't realistic, but Hud said he felt compelled to document things and that was good enough for me. If it was a realistic home video, it would have hardly been an action movie.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link
grainy youtube of the final Coney Island scene where the director and a bunch of other people have said there's a sneaky background shot of something falling into the water, although I still don't see it: http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=nfAY5oxcmrg&rel=1&eurl=http%3A//answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20080118153509AArhKGf&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/nfAY5oxcmrg/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKTRQCKDwvE4vYWpi6_Xf_C&
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link
you're all still wrong about the title, i know it's supposed to be a recovered artifact but that doesn't mean it actually IS one it's still a movie! would it be truer to the concept if they didn't release it in theatres and only showed it to dudes with high security clearance?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link
-- and what, Monday, January 21, 2008 3:09 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link
so right about this though! why are monsters always humanoid. that was my big complaint. i was disappointed that you eventually saw the thing because it was bound to disappoint. same thing with war of the worlds.
it's funny how reluctant people are to show something genuinely alien and freaky. i mean i guess uncanny valley and all that but still.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
some video: http://www.vimeo.com/618265
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link
again, I'm astonished this has lasted as long as it has in the open market without photos/video showing up everywhere. They must have a serious and hardworking legal team and webcrawler department c+d'ing stuff left and right.
Darth was his father wouldn't have made it overnight.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I think it's kind of a stretch to call the monster humanoid, unless you'd be disappointed with any monster with recognizable limbs and eyes. I would like to see slightly more creative monster design but there were still some pretty cool grotesque things going on with it.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
ya but i agree that in the end it was a quadripedal buddy with a humanish face.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link
if you think that was humanish you've been spending too much time on WDYLL threads.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link
how come dude saw the lil spider motherfuckers fallin off & killin soldiers off the tv but didnt mention it to his buddies til they started getting rocked in the tunnel??
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
for funny?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
could have been kinda in shock / not believing his eyes though
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
i hear you about one monster vs lots of little ones but it did make for a hella scary tunnel scene and i loved the ambiguity about the girl's death
i mean i knew she was a goner as soon as you find out she was "bit" but gotta love the mystery silhouetted bloodsplash.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
could've held the camera up to the TV while looking elsewhere in the store for Rob and not actually seen it himself (though I admit I'm on thin ice with that).
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
i have to say this would have been pretty awesome if it HAD been a surprise godzilla movie.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
so glad that none of the slusho bullshit actually made it into the movie
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes. That would have been foolish adherence to the movie's central conceit, though.
lol you think people have spider faces
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
umm have you even SEEN spiderman?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i dont think cloverfield is a good title because its a recovered artifact i think cloverfield is a good title because i would feel like a dork calling it 'monstrous' or 'sundown' or whatever
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
calling it 'monstrous' makes me think of my friend in high school who wouldnt shut up about going to see 'the rage: carrie 2' which he always referred to as 'the rage: carrie 2'
hey guys did you see 'monstrous'? 'monstrous' was really good... yep i liked 'monstrous' alright
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
those titles wouldve been lame too
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
'i just got back from seeing one eighteen oh-eight!'
the recommendations 2: recommendations take manhattan
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
i just got back from seeing this movie about the lucky charms guy
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
too bad escape from new york was already taken
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
didn't stop them from ganking the statue of liberty head image from the EFNY poster.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
i really wish i hadnt seen that excellent teaser, kinda. the statue of liberty head reveal is so great.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.easternctballoon.com/images/promo/libhead2.jpg
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
nooooooo
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
3.5 times larger than the real Statue of Liberty's head
^^ this makes me uncomfortable
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
i was gettin some head gettin gettin some head
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
-- max, Monday, January 21, 2008 6:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
worrrrd
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
liber-ty head, liber liber-ty head
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
ooh ooh and when it kinda reaches up against the side of a building and all the windows come cascading down
(haha that was totally my Deathblow "what about the underwater escape!?" moment)
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked the shot of the building leaning against the other building. that was weird and cool.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
*SPOILER-Y* I liked those pulsating air sacs on the side of the monster's head we see just as he eats the Hud guy *SPOILER-Y*
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
aka his ears
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
YES latebloomer otm. i kind of thought they were gill-ish? i thought he looked suffish weird, something about his manner, not just his looks.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I couldn't figure out if those were eyes or ears or what (if they aren't the eyes, where are they?)
I think we're way past even saying spoiler here a nymore.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
can i just say the one detail that bothered me was the fact that the gov't intro thing says the footage was recovered from an SD memory card... which wouldn't be taped over the same way a tape would be.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah the leaning building and the decision to go all the way to the top and jump across was some of the best stuff
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
it reminded me of ghostbusters, the going up
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
wonder if that was intentional? musta been.
in the prequel we find out that hud tried to think of the most harmless thing from his childhood and remembered his taco bell godzilla collector's cup
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
"What is that????!?!!!?" "Something terrible. Come on, we have to go."
"OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT THING?" "Something else terrible. We've gotta keep moving."
megalolz in my theatre
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
ya that was the best one-liner
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought it was pretty smart to keep the goofy comic relief character largely off-camera by having him actually like, operate the camera.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah imagine if he was onscreen mugging through ppl dying and shit...
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
i loved when theyre in the subway tunnel and hes still tryna mack on the cuet one after dude had to tell his mom about his brother
haha ya!
i totally have no problems with the way this film stretched its concept to hit those kinds of story beats
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
that was actually part of the fun i thought
guy who plays Hud was funny on that otherwise shitty "Carpoolers" show.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
i have never heard of that show.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
did you mishear "coppola"?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
wow that is his ONLY other credit on imdb. dude is 2 for 2!
(xpost it's a show on ABC that is so doomed that "Cavemen" is its lead-in)
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
T. J. Miller is the lead singer of several ska bands: Skasky & Hutch, Four Ska and Seven Years Ago, A Long Time Ago in a Galaxska Far Far Away, Eight Bleeding Eyes of New Hampshireska, Mind Destruction vs. Face Hammer (acoustic ska).
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
:O
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Mind Destruction vs. Face Hammer (acoustic ska).
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
jesus i wish we could still change our screen names
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
see THAT would have been a good name for the movie.
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
skaverfield
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Speaking of Custos, those are the most Custos band names I have ever seen.
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Eight Bleeding Eyes of New Hampshireska
kinda stopped even trying here
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
now I understand the military's "Face Hammer Down Protocol"
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
how glad were you that soldier guy never said "i dont know what's going on though i heard some rumours about military experiments down the coast" à la the mist? i mean it worked in the mist but i was so happy that there wasn't even a theory going here (cuz you're always supposed to believe the crazy theory anyway)
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
i know people are hating on Hud's "maybe the government made it!" shit but honestly IRL every conversation in that situation that wasn't about the immediate danger at hand would be about what the fuck it could be or how it got there.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Rudy would find a way to blame it on al-Qaeda.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
thats why im glad they didnt even bother fucking with the slusho backstory--it would have been mad lame to make rob or even an incidental character at the party be like "wait, what if this is a product of the japanese company i work for?!?!"
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
he spent more time trying to bang the cuet one, as i would have
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I'll go see this tonight.
― Rock Hardy, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
ya then he would end up figuring out a way to beat it using his insider slusho knowledge xxp
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
are you saying cuet one because the other two were hotttt, ethan?
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link
"wait, when they told me the secret ingredient in slusho, they mentioned it would break down if exposed to sunlight!'
― and what, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link
lily >>> marlena >>> old pole-torso
then they loot a store for sunlamps... etc...
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link
lily >>> marlena
dietrich reference
It bothered me that the two skyscrapers in the eye of the rampage were empty. Like not a soul in the halls or crying out? The hottie was the only living soul (no dead bodies either, though) who hadn't managed to get evac'd?
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
just realized that Marlena was the Mean Girls goth
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah the landscape was kind of free of bodies
― gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link
god i'm sounding like a real death-perv on this thread
Okay that ska band info broke my brain.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link
you're going to need to comprehensively revise that blog entry!
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahaha!
(Said entry, for those who might care.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Askapalypse Now.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Godzillska
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Polska Kielbasa
― latebloomer, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Polska KielbasKa, get it right.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Something that's been bugging me: when Marlena reappears downstairs on the street, does she make some reference to having seen something, and specifically that "it ate them"?
― John Justen, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link
o ya... she's traumatized by something but we never quite see what she means. forgot about that!
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm just wondering if maybe lack of bodies = monsters be chowin' down.
― John Justen, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
also, ska disaster names bring back painful memories of those Moon NYC Skamageddon comps
― John Justen, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link
the Final Skalution
― Nicole, Monday, 21 January 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
my friend thinks that the little monsters werent babies but just a sort of monster-lice that fell off its back
― max, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Surely it's Skazilla?
I think John's right re: monster chow fest, although I think there'd be more crushed bodies around if something like this actually happened.
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link
we'll hopefully never know, right guys?
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Probably should have been more bodies, but there was also the moment when Hud highlighted the fact that the monster lice were trying to drag him away. Another potential explanation?
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
That actually explains the monster lice in the hallway, too!
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Another funny moment: Hud telling entire party about homeslice hittin' it. Hud saved me from wondering aloud when the monster was finally going to show up.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link
"Hud, you're so full of shit! Seriously, you just make up shit all the time." <--- lolz
― HI DERE, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought it was pretty good. I didn't mind the scene at the end so much either showing the monster, I thought it had a good majestic quality to it with the white light, I liked the way any sense of hope seemed to disintegrate as it went on. There was a good flow of disorder to it all.
(Plus the hot girls)
― Ronan, Monday, 21 January 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link
"Something that's been bugging me: when Marlena reappears downstairs on the street, does she make some reference to having seen something, and specifically that "it ate them"?
-- John Justen, "////////////////.............///;/;' uh yeah what was taht all about///it was never deveined revealiung th whole donuyrt..i liked th movie but i also didnt read aintit cool and all th blogs to folooew th hype except for th monsyter roaring thingy at th end of th first trailker...ummm..anmd th wweerirdo whiospering at the nd of th nmobvioe credits is cool
― danbunny, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link
The fact that there were a ton of dead but seemingly mostly intact bodies inside that mall/store or whatever they came up from the subway to makes me think that the little lice things killed a lot of people indoors/underground without eating them at all (unless they were bitten and infected like Marlena was and left to die like that).
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link
what whispering at the end of the credits? i didn't hang around after the movie for anything like that.
the whisper song
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link
theres sum weird whispering ..im sure if u go to one of th jj blogs u will find mention..im behind th technological curve,,i love th guy behind me muttering//"this is stupid...i cant believe this..this is so dumb...i could have made this"//then he walked out before th mayhem
― danbunny, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link
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o Add to My Contacts o Block User im pretty sure it was a redording of static then a soldier whispering its still alive... except it was backwards so it was like the tape was being rewinded o 21 minutes ago o 1 Rating: Good Answer o 0 Rating: Bad Answer o Report It
― danbunny, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link
duh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1k7Tg0jgJg&feature=related
― danbunny, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il8I1NQGfIc&feature=related
― danbunny, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link
i think jj abrams came up with the title during a commute on the 10 freeway in los angeles.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Just got home...this was huge fun.
― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Interesting bit in this big ol' interview with Matt Reeves:
The key to it is that the monster was a baby. The monster was suffering from separation anxiety and was absolutely disoriented and pissed, "where's mommy?", and terrified. That was the most important aspect of the creature. Not only was he furious and in a rage but he was scared, because to me there's nothing scarier than something huge that's spooked.
...so, how big is mom?
(Also, he confirms something Nathan mentioned way upthread -- something DOES fall in the water in the Coney Island sequence.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 06:31 (sixteen years ago) link
OK guys for anybody who gives a shit (testing, testing...is this thing on?), here's what little I've been able to suture together of the monster's origins using the ARG as reference:
Rob's big job in Japan is that he's been promoted to VP of Marketing for Slusho. Slusho is a majorly popular Slushee-style drink with a "secret ingredient" that makes it almost addictive. Tagruato, Slusho's parent company, is this Halliburton-style company that has their fingers in all sorts of stuff. One of their major deals is ocean oil drilling. One of their rigs, while drilling on the sea floor, strikes a pocket of this weird sea nectar stuff. They don't know what it is, so they send it to their science division to study. Evil Tagruato commences tests on humans via Slusho (secret addictive ingredient = sea nectar) and on other creatures in various insidious ways. One leaked company memo mentions "the infamous footage of an older woman who drank 12 cups of Slusho before" (memo cuts off).
Jamie & Teddy are a couple. Rob's friends. Teddy goes to Japan "for work," though it eventually becomes clear that he's actually working with a radical environmentalist group to damage some of Tagruato's rigs. Their big operation to screw up one of the rigs goes awry when (presumably) they accidentally free the baby monster. Baby Monster in turn wreaks havoc on the rig, destroying it and killing everyone on board.
How/why does it get to Manhattan? No idea, and the ARG doesn't really give us any clues. Given that it all started with "an oil tanker" exploding, I do wonder if Tagruato somehow tried to contain the monster on a tanker and failed. But again, why bring it to NY? *shrug*
Jamie shows up at Rob's party. She's broken up with Teddy, she's high on the sea nectar Teddy sent her (long story) and intends to seduce Rob. Other than a background salacious come-on that's invisible unless you're looking for it, she's barely in the film at all. Other than Rob's brother's Slusho t-shirt, there are no intrusions of the ARG into the film. I'm glad of that.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 07:18 (sixteen years ago) link
almost as bad as the Lost backstory
― milo z, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 07:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Abrams: "OK so there's this monster and a handicam, and what if there's A SLURPEE?"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 07:42 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf is the thing dropping into the water. I've watched the last scene about 10 times and can't see anything.
― Ronan, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link
How/why does it get to Manhattan? No idea,
Maybe it wanted to make it BIG in Broadway?
― Ste, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:51 (sixteen years ago) link
(god, drole etc, sorry)
your hard work is appreciated, HOOS. milo, what's so shit about this or the L O S T backstory?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Ronan, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:44 (5 hours ago) Link
yeah seriously, i'm waiting for someone on YouTube to slow down and zoom the footage because as is it's either too small or too quick for me to catch.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
As far as NYC, I remember seeing (linked from this page) some site that had a map of Slusho/Haliburton drilling sites around the world, and one was off of Long Island.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
i really dont want to know any backstory shit. talk about winnowing away your enjoyment of something.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, isnt the whole point of this exercise that that stuff is better left to your imagination??
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Fanboy nature abhors a story vacuum, s1ocki.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, but I think, as HOOS kinda said, they did just the right thing as far as having your cake and eating it too. you can watch just the movie and enjoy it for what it is in isolation, or you can get into the nerdy ARG stuff if that's your bag. unless, of course, they make a big budget Slusho movie next.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
i suppose!
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
The back story is really pretty bad, just like w/Lost & Alias. The stories are better without explanations of Slusho/Darma/Rambaldi.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
AiB otm -- wouldn't usually be interested, but there will probably be follow-ups.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
nothing wrong with lost's backstory.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:19 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
so might as well ruin it for yourself now?
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
it's j. j. abrams. the backstory will have a backstory.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i really hope there aren't any follow-ups. i could see this particular story hitting diminishing returns fast. i get the feeling the more you see of the "incident" the less interesting it will be.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
at this point diminishing returns are almost abrams' shtick!
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i know that everyone is talking about the ways you could do a sequel but i think that would hurt a lot of the things that made cloverfield interesting and special (just like blair witch 2)
― max, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Heh heh yes. xp
― Nicole, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
lemme put it this way -- if they do it right, i could be into it. they did the first movie right, so I'll give them a little rope here. say, filming stuff like the "infamous footage" in the memo could come out pretty awesome. they could even tell a new story in a similiar way with Tagruato video archives or something.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
i say bring it on. this film was good times. the backstory is just pretext, and spin-offs may be just as exciting -- just as long as they leave the exposition to the bloggers.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
well i guess the gauntlet has been laid down then.
your move, abrams. your move.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link
would watch home video lez porn with beth and lily
― max, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
in reality: abrams moves on to next project, follow-up dudes pull something out of ass. could still rule though.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
saw it on the weekend. it's certainly captures FRANTIC. beyond that, dunno. i'm wondering how much va-j.j. really had to do with it.
― andrew m., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Gene Hackman drives a tanker. He's one day away from retirement. Denzel Washington is the slick new executive overseeing the venture.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm wondering how much va-j.j. really had to do with it.
yeah, he gets a lot of credit because he's the big name and he got the original idea, but it seems like from the beginning he just said "I want a monster movie," and handed it off to people he trusted while he worked mainly on Star Trek, Lost, etc.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I think this is pretty much otm. I love parts of a movie where I have to use my own creative process, and usually get carried away. They dissolve nicely in with the rest of the movie this way, whereas making them 'for real' is just plain geeky and unfortunately reduces their quality by a bucket load.
― Ste, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
So in otherwards him working on Star Trek is fate at work.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
if they make a mutated sea monster 'for real' I will buy a ticket to that show.
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Now I imagine the monster singing and dancing like Peter Boyle in Young Frankenstein.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I wanted to see it get torn apart by nukes! Otherwise, pleasantly surprised.
― lukas, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I dunno if I think this is lame or if I really want to see it just to get a better idea of the monster's anatomy: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=41117
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link
hey guys just fyi, the whisper at the end of the credits has been de-fuzzed. it's a clear voice saying "it's still alive."
director says that we're not just hearing things:
Yes, you do hear something! That's another sort of radio chatter moment. I don't actually want to give that away at this point, because it is decipherable. That's the very last thing we did on the mix, I sort of jumped up to the microphone and did this thing. I know someone will figure it out, but I don't want to give it away yet.
Don't know if this means sequel-talk ("'Cloverfield #2 on Memorial Day 2010,' a little birdie (that works with JJ) told me earlier tonight.") or if it's just more fuckery, but there it is fwiw.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Apparently on the Brooklyn Bridge there's a moment where Hud catches another guy with a camera, filming him - the director has said he likes the idea that that was two movies intersecting. I'm skeptical. Maybe a faux documentary could be cool.
All I really want is for them to use the budget for lots more straight-up monster fighting action, proving that I don't really understand what made the first movie great (the lack of a moment where the camera slowly pans up and back to reveal the monster in all its majesty as the trumpets blare...)
― lukas, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 04:50 (sixteen years ago) link
this fucking movie
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 06:59 (sixteen years ago) link
what an awful movie
beyond all the retarded shit (lol we survived a helicopter crash lol) did anyone give a flying fuck about the fate of the characters??
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link
that said it was pretty stunning visually and the monster/spider monsters were great, but man
J0rdan 0TM
― milo z, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link
did anyone give a flying fuck about the fate of the characters??
aww you softie
― lukas, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 07:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Barely, but yes. I got a 90210boygirlband vibe from the cast, but they were real enough people and the conceit of the movie was done well enough to put me in their company while Manhattan was coming down over their heads.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
A spoiler question, these people that the movie follows around, are they all friends from that party we saw on the teaser footage? Do they ever meet up with other people?
(ie are there no 'old' people in this film?)
― Ste, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
no country for old men.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
1. Yes. 2. Not for any appreciable/noticeable amount of time.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
No old people. No kids. There are scattered crowds, looters, a few panicked individuals running, and the military. Frequently, the streets are eerily empty.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
something is definitely not right in the streets of new york city.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm pretty glad they didn't do a hackneyed scene of a kid looking for his mother or the gang helping an old lady trapped under some rubble.
― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Or the senile guy who keeps his newsstand open in the middle of Columbus Circle and is unaware of what's happening.
― Eazy, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
That'll be saved for Watchmen.
"You kids today with your genetically-engineered aliens and your conspiracy theories and your aaaaaah!"
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
on his blog, rich juzwiak (aka this guy) articulates the major problems i had with this movie:
The Rob character (played by Michael Stahl-David) is such an asshole for putting himself and his friends at considerable risk to first travel from downtown to midtown to find this dead chick he banged. Once there, he proves to be an even bigger asshole for attempting to get to her by ascending the building adjacent to hers (since hers has been attacked and is, in fact, leaning up against it) and finally leaping from that building to hers. And then, he proves to be a bigger asshole still, for when he finally reaches her and she's dead from a spike driven through her body, he talks to her. And then, she's turns out to be the biggest asshole of all for actually being alive and coming to at the exact moment her help has arrived. It's so fucking stupid, but not more stupid than a cell phone working in a subway station.
but mostly:
All of this is to say that I just wished the film had followed a different group of people as they were affected by those first few hours of the monster attack (and because that could very well be the case, I think sequel possibilities, following different parties and their ordeals, are endless). If only the characters were as extraordinary as the events depicted, I'd have no problem labeling Cloverfield a classic.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
oh forget the part i quoted about the subway i don't give a fuck about that and don't know if cell phone work in subway stations or not
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link
HOW DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE "CHARACTERS" IN THIS MOVIE FFS
― John Justen, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
way to suspend your disbelief, jordan s and terrible blogger man.
― chakles, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean i can easily suspend my disbelief but a building being propped up by another and these idiots surviving a helicopter crash is a bit much
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link
they were four boring ass people and the movie was centered around them, it's not hard to realize why it was also pretty fucking boring
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link
The Rob character (played by Michael Stahl-David) is such an asshole for putting himself and his friends at considerable risk to first travel from downtown to midtown to find this dead chick he banged.
This is really stupid. Rob didn't make anyone go with him; they all volunteered to go.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link
i probably would have been okay with the characters being tangentially involved and it just being home-video style footage of the awesome monster
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link
another thing is, so many things could have been done to advance the story but not ruin the movie in retarded logic, i.e. them trying to escape what they think is an earthquake via a fucking bridge
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Did you actually watch this movie or were you too busy rolling your eyes to see what happened?
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i honestly don't get how people are okay with some of the decisions made in this movie
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf are you even talking about dan
You have to give the movie credit for actually calling Rob a douchebag.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I loved it by the way.
I'm talking about how some of your criticisms seem to be a result of not paying attention and others seem to be a result of deciding you were a million times cleverer than the people who made the movie.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link
stfu, jordan s.
― chakles, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link
not paying attention
???
you were a million times cleverer than the people who made the movie
not really but i.e. they could have done a thousand more believable scenarios other than having this chick in her apt with a rod through her chest
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean how did you guys not laugh at this movie?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 23 January 2008 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Criticizing "Cloverfield" for not being just like "Transformers" seems to miss the entire point of what "Cloverfield" was trying to do. I disagree with the people who say that the conceit behind the movie didn't work but I see where they're coming from. Your criticisms just make me feel like you weren't capable of paying attention to an 86-minute movie.
I laughed at this movie because large chunks of it were funny.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
you weren't capable of paying attention to an 86-minute movie= gave up on this bullshit about halfway through
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link
and anyway i'm only really pissed at this movie cuz it had so much potential and i thought it kinda went a little too far off the rails
I think Dan is referring to this: "them trying to escape what they think is an earthquake via a fucking bridge"
By the time they go to the bridge, they have progressed beyond the earthquake theory. This is less than half an hour into the movie, right?
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link
it doesn't really matter what they were trying to escape, the bridge thing is just one example of things that could have been explained off in different ways but they decided that they just didn't care
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean are you guys gonna go and bug out over jumpers??
Yeah, Marlayna had already talked about the people being eaten. Also, earthquakes don't throw the statue of liberty head thousands of feet.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
who cares if they can jump any distance in the blink of an eye?! it's just a movie!!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link
the bridge thing is just one example of things that could have been explained off in different ways but they decided that they just didn't care
I love this theory of film scripting.
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Um, it kind of does matter if your objection to them escaping on the bridge is that they thought it was an earthquake when it can be shown by having the ability to chronologically process information presented to you via film that they didn't think it was an earthquake when they got on the bridge. It shows that your objections don't make sense.
If you're just pissed that they didn't remake "Godzilla", you were never going to like this movie in the first place.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm trying to understand why you think the evacuation over the bridge needs to be "explained off"? I mean, there were points where the movie stretched credulity, but why is this one of them?
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
WRITER ONE: Hey, I think I just found a continuity error in the script. WRITER TWO: WHO CARES ITS DONE LETS GO GET A TACO.
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
shocker, justen
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
you guys please stop trying to understand jordan s.
― chakles, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess what I'm saying is that your complaints would be a little more credible if they weren't kicked off with something outrageously stupid that is easily disproved by watching the fucking movie.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link
what im saying is, i don't get how someone doesn't say "no one in their right mind would try and escape a city-wrecking monster on a bridge, how about they go another way"
it was just one of a host of things that lost me as the movie went along
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:19 (sixteen years ago) link
oh jesus christ. something terrible is happening in a city and traumatized citizens try to escape anyway they can. wow you're so fucking smart for not doing that in the same situation.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link
you're criticizing this movie on the basis that a mob of frightened people do something that is not entirely rational given a sober assessment of the situation.
another way like swimming? xxpost
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link
ack
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
HES JUST TRYING TO GET HIS POST COUNT UP
― chakles, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
WE MUST REACH THE STATEN ISLAND FERRY!
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
MY UNCLE OWNS A BLIMP FACTORY, AND I KNOW WHERE HE HIDES THE KEYS!
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link
let me know when i get to a plausible enough explanation for you
i mean everyone is totally cool with the central plot of the movie being a dude going to save a girl who's building is being propped up by an adjacent building and him saving her by removing a rod in her chest
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.nyctourist.com/images/maps/map_hoods4.gif
How stupid of people in downtown to attempt to escape from the monster rampaging between midtown and downton by crossing a bridge!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
THE CENTRAL PLOT OF THE MOVIE IS A BIG FUCKING MONSTER FUCKING SHIT UP
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
they should have combined this movie with jumpers i would have been totally okay with that
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
dude on 9/11 were you criticizing the ppl who jumped out of the world trade centre windows
― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
except it's not which is the problem
I had problems with some of the things in the movie, too (uh... cell phones are working?). But the fact that I was allowing myself to buy into the concept of "a MONSTER is attacking New York" suggests to me that maybe I shouldn't go with plausibility as a main criteria in judging the film.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
"they should have known they wouldn't survive that fall. this is ridiculous."
― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
lol slocki you are dangerously close to like some bugged-out daria arguemnt right now
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
That was not particularly realistic, but then again a mystery monster rampaging through Manhattan that spawns man-chomping lice isn't particularly realistic, either.
Perhaps you didn't get that this was fictional...?
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
ya you gotta remember this is still pretty much a MOVIE movie and not actually a found videotape
I'm just relieve to read that I'm not the only person to find parts of it humorous. I saw it in a theater with only two other people, neither of whom laughed at all. They probably thought I was a psycho, but AT LEAST I'M NOT ALONE
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
there is a threshold of plausibility and they went way past it!! ^^^^^^^^
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I REALLY LIKE THIS "THIN BLUE LINE" MOVIE BUT I FIND THE MUTE ERROL MORRIS CHARACTER SO OFFPUTTING
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I quoted all the parts I laughed at upthread!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't get why you guys think it's so foreign that i was turned off by a movie i was expecting to be about A MONSTER FUCKING SHIT UP and it was actually about some guy saving a girl in the least plausible situation possible
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean if they decided not to have her building collapse and them find her in rubble (more plausible) bcuz of 9/11 i'm okay with that but she could have been lying in a street or in a shop or anything is all i'm saying
xpost Dan, I came home and read this thread until 2 a.m. and your comments caused me to realize I am not insane. (Or we both are, whatever.)
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link
If that was the case, why follow only four people? Why put one of them behind the camera? Why have him mack on the goth and pretend the others have plausible human relationships?
Clearly we were supposed to care about the characters, or else it would have just been a faux-documentary of watching the monsters eat people and blow up landmarks.
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link
exactly, i would have been way cool with the latter, the former was where it got lost
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the purpose of following only the four people was that they were unique in that they were not evacuating, but instead going back to where the monster was rampaging...
I didn't care much about the characters, but if I had, I probably would have been more upset by the ending.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link
There are a bazillion movies like that. Expecting "Cloverfield" to be like that, ESPECIALLY given the ad campaign, seems super naive to me.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Can we talk about how awesome it was to have a movie with no music?
― lukas, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link
The ad campaign where we watch people party like a bad indie romance and then see the Statue of Liberty head?
Yeah, why would that indicate that the characters are at all relevant?
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link
-- lukas, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
^^actually the party scene all had background music, most of which was pretty timely and acceptable and good
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link
j0rdan u mad doggie
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
-- s1ocki, Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:25 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
wait WHAT?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
kinda ;_;
this thread inflated my hopes
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Milo, are you making the argument you're intending to make?
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link
so did you just not like these characters as people or something? what makes you "care" about movie characters? are you mad that the filmmakers didnt make them lovable enough? what exactly are you saying jordan & milo??
― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i won't speak for milo, but what i'm saying is that it seemed as if we were supposed to care for the fate of the characters involved and if rob ended up rescuing his girl. i didn't find the characters compelling at all— be it because of acting or writing or whatever— so i found the parts that just focused on them (i.e. them walking in the subway [awesome mini-monster attacks notwithstanding]) to be pretty boring and eventually annoying
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link
-- gff, Monday, 21 January 2008 06:24
― gff, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link
hey jordan here is a map of manhattan and the surrounding area:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Manhattan_Highlight_New_York_City_Map_Julius_Schorzman.png/616px-Manhattan_Highlight_New_York_City_Map_Julius_Schorzman.png
what i would like you to do is circle for me all the ways that the characters of this movie could have plausibly and safely left the city that are NOT bridges.
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link
the whole part of them getting to the building and going up it and then scaling across to her apt fall under this category too
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:04 (sixteen years ago) link
the ending has nothing to do with it
also maybe you were gagging too hard at how much smarter you are than the screenwriters but did yousee the part where the cops were directing all the people toward the brooklyn bridge?
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:04 (sixteen years ago) link
oh and hey gosh i know it can be difficult to pay attention to all 74 minutes of the movie but you probably should have paid attention to the part where rob tells everyone that hes going to go alone and they all decide to go with him.
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link
thank god they had enough sense to kill off the curly haired girl so we didn't have to sit through the camera guy going after her sub-plot any longer
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link
thanks dan perry read the thread
i could give a fuck less about them going with him that's actually plausible!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
ya i just feel like you havent apologized for being such a moron so i wanted to make sure you got called out again
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Top Posters So Far This Month J0rdan S. 2009 El Tomboto 1147
― chakles, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought it was a bit implausible that a giant sea-monster attacked new york, but otherwise -- i bought it.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't think we were 'meant to care' about them. i didn't care about them particularly, and i liked the movie just fine. they are not interesting people, at all (i think maybe this was the point, maybe not), but what happens to them is
even what they choose to do isn't that interesting or compelling -- save the girl, yeah, tell me a knew one. everything imposed on them: the monster and the official response to it, is extraordinary
xp rofl
― gff, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
and anyway you dudes are just harping on this bridge thing because there is no logical response to the last half of this movie where they scale across a building, rescue a girl by removing a rod form her chest and then survive a helicopter crash
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
if the filmmakers had just followed my "blimp factory" story arc, that would have solved the plausibility aspect of both the escape from new york AND the tilting building rescue.
xpost: also, no helicopter crash because blimp escape hells yeah
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link
what exactly are you saying jordan & milo??
And while the monster was kinda cool, once you've seen one explosion, you've seen them all. This is why, even in movies ABOUT RAMPAGING MONSTERS, characters matter. They give the audience something to latch onto so that the 90 minutes aren't spent analyzing effects or questioning plot holes or generally not being involved in the film.
Either way, it's a failure as storytelling. If, on the one hand, we were supposed to identify and care when they died, then it was a failure at characterization. And if we weren't supposed to care, if these were just ciphers to let us see shit blow up, then it's a lousy narrative.
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
still would have to deal with the rod problem, maybe the uncle could be a trauma surgeon xpost
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Would you guys have liked the movie better if they had escaped via blimp and spent the last 60 minutes of the movie struggling through their awkward feelings toward each other?
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link
And the ending wasn't as bad as it could have been, all things considered. For a minute, I thought they were all going to ride away on the Army helicopter and that would have been complete bullshit.
Ending at the crash with everyone presumed dead made a whole lot more sense - but then we get another five minutes of these characters (that we aren't supposed to care about????) doing absurd things.
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost AND cell phones working could have been replaced by TELEPATHY
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link
lol at sara-rc in john justen jr shocker
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link
no one here brought up cell phones but nice try
i thought the ending was fine and actually kinda good
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I wasn't going to get involved in this aspect of geekery, but ... the copter crash isn't that implausible. It's not like the rotors seized up and it just fell like a stone. They were still turning and slowing the fall.
― lukas, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
YOU'RE AT LEAST UP TO 2016 POSTS BY NOW, JORDAN
― chakles, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
wait maybe they could all be fucking wizards and they could quidditch the fuck out of there
xpost well no one brought up cel phones other than Sara herself, you tool
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
No no, cell phones was MY problem with plausibility. I totally bought everything else. ;)
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I agree that better characters would have made a better movie. The post-party non-action sequences were mercifully short.
I basically agree with gff. I think we were supposed to believe that these were real people with a real video camera experiencing real experiences. Whether or not we liked the characters is somewhat incidental.
My personal theory is that the writer and the director thought we would be interested in these people but all of their friends are douchebags and they didn't know any better but it was OK because fortunately the douchebaggery was incidental to the experience of the movie.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link
fortunately the douchebaggery was incidental to the experience of the movie
i don't see how this can be true considering a lot of the movie consisted of no monster and all bad actors
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:16 (sixteen years ago) link
and ftr, i agree with the people who think that the immediate post-disaster scenes were great and spot-on and chilling, which is why i was even more disappointed with how this turned out
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
john "jumpers" will be your favorite movie of all time
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Woody Allen's Cloverfield (In which everyone would have tossed him out of the helicopter to the monster as a distraction for an easy escape.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
That would be my favorite Woody Allen movie EVER
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link
jumpers is going to be sweet
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm with you!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link
-- max, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:20 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
^^starting to make sense now
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link
"Tape found in the location formerly known as the Russian Tea Room."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link
"Woody, I'm so scared...I don't want to die next to you droning in my ear about your neuroses!"
Background music at party: Dixieland jazz, Chopin Beth's date: Ewan Macgregor as a Frenchman
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Ned, I love you to death.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean obv this argument can be explained away by where people's threshold for plausibility is, some ppl probably didn't even see this bcuz a monster was involved, mine threshold was reached somewhere around the building being propped up by the other buidling and john j and dan and lukas and whoever don't care about plausibility and more power to them bcuz they can enjoy more movies than the rest of us
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
"Did you hear, Woody and Beth slept together?" "I know, he told me. I'm his shrink. I'm YOUR shrink too."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought yours was reached when people started using bridges to escape an island xpost
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link
(Jordan, FWIW -- I could never actively care about the characters much, I'm in line with Fluffy on the point, but you are batshit crazy.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link
they should have jumped across the river
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link
ned that means a lot coming from you
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought your plausibility threshold was reached when people tried to evacuate an island via bridge.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I would have just tried to swim.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
ned did you like this?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Ha, John got that. Hey, John, you coming over tonight?
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
I did! I didn't like it perfectly but I really enjoyed it and I've told everyone who's asked they should go see it if they're interested.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, but only by blimp. xpost
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Fluffy Bear and John will blimp it.
I think that is an ENTIRELY different movie, Ned.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Not anymore!
Cloverfield II: The Hastings Invasion
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link
"Those lice things are taking out all the local police!" "Good."
The monster gets high on meth and Old Milwaukee, is found sleeping it off outside of Manard's...
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know why people are having a hard time with the hero going on a quest to save a damsel in distress. I thought the one building leaning on the other looked pretty cool and am not sure why it's not plausible if there is a giant monster knocking things over.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link
In Cloverfield 2, FB and I will escape a monster attack on Minneapolis in our dirigible, leaving all friends and loved ones behind while talking about the finer points of epistemology. There will also be a banging reggaeton soundtrack. xpost
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the one building leaning on the other looked pretty cool
Easily one of the best visuals, that was creepy as hell.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost,
Now if it knocked over a convenience store for the contents of a cash register...
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link
John, you are a visionary.
I won't be happy until the monster lice get involved in a game of Russian Roulette.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Michael Cimino's The Lice Hunter
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link
all buildings will collapse inward upon themselves as is dictated by the basic laws of physics as applied to huge fucking monsters kicking the fuck out of stuff.
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Damn you and your plausibility!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link
to prevent FB from rolling out of bed drunk you put a little rebar through him, no biggie
― gff, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link
looks like somebody just earned themselves a screenwriting credit
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Taking Hollywood and the Quad Cities by storm.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3245765.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=DCB332A6E7C66BD3100FEC45AF302731A55A1E4F32AD3138 http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/kobe/leaning.gif
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.freefoto.com/images/14/19/14_19_53---The-Leaning-Tower-of-Pisa--Tuscany--Italy_web.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.halftimegames.com/files/rampage/rampagess.jpg
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link
DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't feel so bad about dropping my physics class anymore, thx FB
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link
ah yes the leaning tower of pisa fine example
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link
isn't it though
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:48 (sixteen years ago) link
lol no because it's not nearly at the angle of the movie's building nor has it collapsed into another building and managed to not adversely effect it at all
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Jordan what is your opinion on where the Enterprise was constructed, Earth or outer space?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Jordan, so you've measured all that?
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean if you guys are okay with that that's fine by me but i'm not exactly sure how you find the idea of it being implausible to be so outrageous
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Er, if it's plausible AT ALL, then I have no problem with it.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link
You should let go of reality when you're watching science fiction.
I think what people are trying to say is that the entire premise of the film is so implausible that picking apart the other elements within it doesn't make a lot of sense.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:54 (sixteen years ago) link
^^this is just the threshold thing i was talking about earlier that got swallowed up by john's parody, i obv suspended reality by paying for a movie where a monster ravages nyc, but i thought that there were parts that were too superfluous unnecessary and they kinda ruined the movie for me
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Young New York art/professional types would never listen to Kings of Leon! (Because nobody does.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link
superfluous and unnecessary**
ned actually otm
and sean kingston too! spoon was otm
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Jordan, I see your point (I think), but obviously I was unperturbed these issues.
What I wanted: a fun movie that would distract me and be moderately scary.
That it what I found Cloverfield to be. I wasn't looking for it to make a lot of sense or cause me to care deeply about the characters.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link
no i get that sara, i just think that they went too far, and took implausibility for granted in the wrong places
also sorry for calling you john justen jr, no hard feelings. you are a nice and reasonable person
What sci-fi movies do you like?
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost Oh, I just assumed that he told you that he's actually my father.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link
see the thing is, i didn't have a problem with the sci-fi parts of it (i.e. a monster existing, a monster existing that can resist having a bagillion bombs dropped on it etc.), it was more the stuff that happened with the human characters that ruined it for me, and i didn't see that coming
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link
(and that doesn't even account for the argument over whether or not we were supposed to care for the characters played by awful actors or not, but i don't think the lot of us will ever see eye to eye on that point)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I think my two big plausibility things were the cell phones working (obv - I mean, in Mpls the bridge collapsed and you couldn't get through to anyone on a cell) and Beth getting up and walking and then RUNNING after what would have been a very serious injury. But I could overlook that because the movie was just supposed to be fun.
It probably didn't hurt that I haven't seen a "monster movie" in the theater for over a decade (!) and I really was in the mood to watch some destruction last night.
(See, now I really DO sound like a psycho! January in Minnesota, it will do that to a person.)
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the acting was ok, and none of the things you mentioned bothered me. Leaning building was fine, helicopter crash was fine (we didn't see how much of it was freefall), bridge was fine (obviously that's exactly what people did on 9/11).
Here are some things that i did have a problem with:
1. Apache gunships would have maybe helped out. 2. Why was the helicopter flying so low at the end? 3. What did the final bombing consist of? Should have been a tactical nuke, but didn't seem like it. 4. Why would the big amorphous rancor-ish creature drop these little starship trooper bugs?
None of these things interrupted my overall enjoyment of the film.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Many of the things in this movie were sly nods to older movies too.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link
And if they contributed to implausibility, it didn't really matter.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I said this earlier, but the reason everyone went on extended riffs over the bridge thing is because it was an incredibly stupid example to lead off with that ruined the credibility of anything else you had to say about the movie. At least, that's where I was coming from, and I've known FB and John long enough to guess with assurance that that's where they were coming from, too.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
When the helicopter fell, I kind of thought they were going in to take a closer look/see the presumable destruction of the monster. That this was an idiotic plan seemed obvious to me, so I suppose doing that would have been implausible, but it did offer a minor jump moment for me, so I was fine with it.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost Knowing John and FB and Dan personally, I can "hear" their tone online and also know from long experience that they like to tear apart other people's arguments, but it's not hostility. They just have a firm point of view and aren't going to hesitate to defend it.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link
ftr, i'm aware that manhattan is an island, i guess my strategy would be to stay away from the collapsable bridge and hide instead, but agreed w/ that being a dumb example
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i know john and dan (or their ilx personalities) well enough from this board to expect what they were saying, which is why i wasn't heated by john's extended blimp thing
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Fight or flight adrenaline would probably be prompting you to GET THE HELL OUT, though - especially with everyone else going one direction. It would have difficult to stay and hide - and maybe less plausible? (uh-oh, plausibility again!)
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link
This is like discussing gay marriage with a nairn.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link
re: above examples of leaning buildings: the one in the movie started leaning halfway up, like it had been constructed out of 500ft steel poles that bent halfway up.
Like a penis.
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
4. Why would the big amorphous rancor-ish creature drop these little starship trooper bugs?
According to Abrams et al, said bugs are the equivalent of lice (thus my references above) to the monster, little parasites on for the ride but who apparently don't mind a little noshing on bipedal mammals when they're around.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link
"extended blimp thing"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:12 (sixteen years ago) link
As a dude who has argued that the characters in Cloverfield are incidental, let me tell you that it is very irritating to be in a conversation with people who refuse to accept the possibility the writing/acting of these characters could have been in any way been better executed.
My opinion that the characters could have been better written and acted. Unfortunately my lawyerly friends refuse to budge an inch. There can be no improvement.
CLOVERFIELD IS THE IDEAL REALIZATION OF ITSELF.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Plus, I am drunk.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:34 (sixteen years ago) link
HAVE YOU NOT READ SOCRATES'S DIALOGUE ON THE FORM OF THE CLOVERFIELD
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:43 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost I really hope someone is taping your conversation. If so, plz mail it to me at your earliest convenience.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link
RE: the monster lice - I actually spent some time last night trying to imagine the physiology of something that would cause a person to explode (my loose interpretation of what happened to Marlena)... are all the cells lysing outwards?
And then I went, oh yeah, just a monster movie, stop trying to make it totally make sense.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Now you know exactly how high (or low) my movie standards are, I guess.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Next up, Sara figures out rapid hair growth in werewolves.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link
They're cancerous hair follicles, of course.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:15 (sixteen years ago) link
from the internet:
I believe parasites like leeches use anti-coagulants to help keep their nutrient-rich blood supply flowing. My guess is the monster parasite bites contain (from a human standpoint) huge amounts of anti-coagulants which resulted in Marlena bleeding out explosively. Would that happen? Probably not, but the idea of bleeding out instantly from a parasitic anti-coagulant is cool.
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:36 (sixteen years ago) link
perhaps its a venom that turns into a gas?
― latebloomer, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link
perhaps it's just plain ol' exploda-juice
― latebloomer, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:39 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe the creatures pump you full of slusho and you explode
― latebloomer, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:40 (sixteen years ago) link
or they turn you into a blimp to float off manhattan
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link
huh.
apparently the manga (yes, there's a manga. yes, i've completely ignored it.) features some other backstory stuff, though nothing too major.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 05:47 (sixteen years ago) link
i figured the bleed-out thing was a tip from 'guns germs and steel' actually! like animals from other places are gonna have crazy microbes on them that we can't fight. it's not part of the 'attack,' it's just incidental. and sucks.
― gff, Thursday, 24 January 2008 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link
It reminded me of The Hot Zone a little bit, too! That book was kind of over the top, but Ebola is still some bad BAD news.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 06:16 (sixteen years ago) link
No one can tell me that it is not possible that in order to create properly balanced warp nacelles they have to be constructed in a gravity well.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 24 January 2008 06:57 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.rentertainment.com/images/ColonelBlimp.jpg
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 07:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Aw, that's FB right there on the left! Glad to see you guys got out okay.
― Sara R-C, Thursday, 24 January 2008 07:24 (sixteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6158NAJ0RTL._AA240_.jpg
essential ARG backstory viewing
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 07:27 (sixteen years ago) link
1. Apache gunships would have maybe helped out.
?? nothing else was helping out! howitzers, fa-18s, etc. 2. Why was the helicopter flying so low at the end?
it's a fair point -- i guess so's not to get in the way of the jets. it was a heck of a leap from ze monsta. 3. What did the final bombing consist of? Should have been a tactical nuke, but didn't seem like it.
word. the b2 seemed to drop conventional weapons. the military dudes were talking about something really massive -- but a tactical nuke would have destroyed the tape, i think.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Manhatten isn't really an island is it? I thought it was joined by land to the north?
does this matter at all to the movie?
― Ste, Thursday, 24 January 2008 09:42 (sixteen years ago) link
the monster was between where they were (lower manhattan) and the north, which is anyway a very long way away compared to the bridge.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link
lol the first viral site for the abrams star trek reboot is up.
http://www.ncc-1701.com/
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought the goth chick was infected with alien babies and when she exploded that was them popping out.
― milo z, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
well the dead soldier that looks like something popped out of him was certainly an alien quote, but there's no other evidence for it. red herring i say.
― gff, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i think the military were keen to destroy her before s.thing hatched.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
one of the dopest things about this movie was the way it relied on the audience's knowledge of other disaster/alien/monster movies to really push buttons--the action scenes are so sparse and so shakily filmed that you fill in the gaps in sight and knowledge with the other monster movies youve seen. the dude's stomach being open was a great example of this--you dont know what really happened but your first thought is OH SHIT ALIEN
― max, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
totally
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link
What was it they were saying anyway as they bundled her away? "We've got a BART" or something similar?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe the character-haterz would like it better if kevin williamson had had a pass at the script and they raised that very point for the audience.
"guys guys guys -- isn't this like 9/11/alien/28 days later ?!?!?11?"
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i loved seeing the huge lice things rear back like they were about to chow down so hard RIGHT before hud freaks out and cuts away
xp ned i think they were saying "we've got a BITE"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
yep, it was "bite"
― John Justen, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
what did goth-chick use to hardson the lice that were attacking hud?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link
(haha i showed ilx to my dad once, and he said "is this all in code? i...can't even make out words here")
― gff, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link
her purse
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
'Bite,' got it -- makes perfect sense! I was wondering "Is this some sort of code acronym? Badass Alien Rapid Tearing?"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
"we've got a bay area rapid transit system here folks!!"
― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:26 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
favourite sentence on ILX in a while
http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/cover/1725940_tre_200.jpg
― and what, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link
they yelled "bite, bite, got a bite, get her into quarantine"
i sorta fixated on the quarantine / biohazard touches and interpreted the ending as the military nuking the island to contain the virus threat.
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Trust me, I thought that as well!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link
they definitely intended to do something big, but they retrieved the tape so...?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link
the next film should be someone liveblogging the attack from across the river.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link
lol 86 mins of a livejournal "new entry" screen being updated
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Rolling Big Fucking Sea Monster Wrecking Shit 2008 Thread
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"Mood: Sad Now playing: REM, 'It's the End of the World As We Know It.'"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
-- s1ocki, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:26 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
"at least the monster cares about something UNLIKE MY PARENTS!!!!"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
― s1ocki, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
actually if the monster really is just an angry and confused youngster surely she/he should be the one with a livejournal
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"I stomped through this big toy model of a city at the amusement park today. I HURT inside."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://the-op.com/images/episode/305/000255_sm.jpg
― and what, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
-half an hour of a guy screaming "rob!" at varying volumes almost had me praying for death by monster -monster was the most likable character -however i'm willing to accept that one of the film's 'strngths' was that we were knowingly and deliberately forced to accompany these ny douchebags and suck it, which kind of suspends the agony for the longed for monster/destruction scenes. that's integrity -however yeah, like fluffy bear maybe i would have preffered to go on a journey with nicer characters, like maybe some old folks from a bridge club -i liked the lack of backstory. all you need to know is that nature's id has got loose. -if there isn't a global warming subtext, i like to think there is -some funny stuff, not the least of which was that pant-shitting was only mentioned towards the end, when really we know everyone's done that several times already and the writer's are acknowledging that
― Frogman Henry, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm still w/max in totally not getting the character hate. i thought they were way too bland to inspire so much vitriol!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't find the characters hate-worthy; just not that compelling. But that worked for me because then I wasn't particularly upset when they died.
― Sara R-C, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link
no i didn't hate any of them either, but they weren't 'good people', and if this was a deliberate move (rather than casting them for good-looks, saleabilty, youth and cool) then it worked excellently, because it felt 'real', and because the absence of fondnes/empathy for these characters helped in not distracting from the starkness of the disaster plot. "Are you a bad enough dude to rescue your girlfriend?" side of things was bit annoying though.
― Frogman Henry, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought they were way too bland to inspire so much vitriol!
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, January 25, 2008 12:12 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
exactly!! i would have rather of hated them then felt nothing
― J0rdan S., Friday, 25 January 2008 06:37 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost I kind of thought it was a deliberate choice, but what do I know.
I do remember thinking, "wow, I'm glad I'm not actually at this party" about 10 minutes into the movie, but that may just have been the fact that I was not actually in a good mood the night I saw it.
― Sara R-C, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:38 (sixteen years ago) link
when i say they were 'bland,' i mean that they aren't 'quirky' or especially memorable. they're Everyman/Everywoman types, and consequently most of their actions/reactions were sympathetic/relatable in my eyes. i don't know that i'd wanna hang with rob et al, but i damn sure would probably do/say some of the same things they did if a monster crawled out of Town Lake and fucked up the Congress bridge.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I hated that they were so bland.
Two easiest ways for an action/horror movie to suck for me:
1. 'God Mode' - there are no consequences. Like the last two Matrix movies when Keanu would get in ten-minute kung fu fights with a million guys, but there was no chance he was going to die and there was nothing riding on the action. So who cares what happens? Once you've seen the first super ninja move, the rest look pretty much the same. Also: Hero, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, etc.. Snoozers. (I did like the Crazy 88's scene in Kill Bill - maybe I feel different because the entertainment there wasn't in the martial arts moves so much as the crazy villains/psychopathic schoolgirl/etc..)
2. Unsympathetic/uninteresting characters - kinda like the above, only the characters may die, but they're so stupid or dull or just not fleshed out enough that their death doesn't register. Oh, hey, Hud got ate. C'est la vie. There's only so much excitement that comes along with watching monsters fuck shit up - and it's a plateau that was reached early in Cloverfield.
― milo z, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't know if i'm just a sucker for baldly manipulative movies or if i just know people like hud & marlena or what, but i got fucked up when it was their time to get got. i feel like the only dude in america who was disappointed to see any of these characters go.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i just know people like hud & marlena
that's the key, really. they felt true to life.
― Frogman Henry, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:52 (sixteen years ago) link
no HOOS im totally with you--none of the characters were amazingly interesting but i thought they were sympathetic and realistic. i dunno man i think an inability for these characters deaths to register says more about the moviegoing public than it does about the movie. i hate the idea that the characters have to be "interesting" in some undefined way (like the cast of juno or something?) for their deaths to be at all affecting.
― max, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:52 (sixteen years ago) link
dull or just not fleshed out enough that their death doesn't register. Oh, hey, Hud got ate. C'est la vie.
otm for me
― J0rdan S., Friday, 25 January 2008 06:52 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean i wasnt crying or anything, but it wasnt exactly "ho-hum, this dude just died"
― max, Friday, 25 January 2008 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, just like the cast of Juno. I demand quirky knocked up teenagers in my monster movies.
― milo z, Friday, 25 January 2008 07:05 (sixteen years ago) link
again with apatow.
― Frogman Henry, Friday, 25 January 2008 07:06 (sixteen years ago) link
i hate the idea that the characters have to be "interesting" in some undefined way (like the cast of juno or something?)
again with the self-conscious quirkiness that makes me want to kill most big-shit "indie" flicks these days.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 07:13 (sixteen years ago) link
"Are you a bad enough dude to rescue your girlfriend?" side of things was bit annoying though.
-- Frogman Henry, Friday, January 25, 2008 6:29 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link
hahaha -- should have been on the poster.
i think the people now saying the characters are bland really mean they wanted BIG HOLLYWOOD STARS in the picture, like in the bad old days of emmerich. i bought marlena and hud -- and even rob, on the phone to his moms -- way more than goldblum/smith or willis/affleck, etc. mention it again on this thread, but 'sunshine' was kind of similar (more star wattage) insofar as the characters were not wise-asses.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:20 (sixteen years ago) link
It was ok, but I thought Blair Witch was creepier and the Host was a more engaging monster movie. With BWP you had NO IDEA what was out there, with this you knew a Godzilla movie was out there. Some of the action scenes just felt like noise because there was so little composition or anything.
What surprised me was how much I was enjoying the first part of the movie! It was plenty engaging, about the level of a decent CW pilot. I was kinda disappointed when the party had to stop so we could have a monster movie, one which would obviously have less interesting character development.
As much as I'm glad that the movie stayed clear of 9/11 exploitation compared to the ad campaign or even War Of THe Worlds, I did feel like it needed SOMETHING. I think some of the negative criticisms of the movie are exaggerated, but they hit on some genuine complaints. I didn't "care" when characters died, just as I wouldn't be like NOOOOO if somebody on a CW pilot's head suddenly burst into flames. That's not a BAD thing, just that "heavy emotional investment in the characters" isn't something it really worked to achieve. The Host really rocked that element in comparison (as well as some great political stuff).
Definitely some standard "phone in subway/Beth living in Time Warner building?!?!" contrivance but it was a fun thrill-ride thing. The only part I was really turned off by was when they started to talking into the camera after Hud died. I totally believe that one guy would be all "we gotta document this" but, "youtube generation" or not, the others just seemed more about getting the fuck on with staying alive.
I dunno if anyone's already brought this up but DREAM CAST:
Marlena - Lisa Kudrow Lily - Courtney Cox Hud - Matt LeBlanc Rob - David Schwimmer Jason - Matthew Perry Beth - Jennifer Aniston
in part cuz the deaths would have been really enjoyable.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
lol i could roll with that
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link
also "I'll Be There For You" would be a fitting song over the credits.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
That is terrifying.
― HI DERE, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link
would you be there for me toooooo
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
doo doo bee doo bee doo doo doo bee dooooooooooo
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
oh wow imagining this as a christmas special Friends episode, things make a lot more sense now.
― Ste, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
also according to my gf, Beyonce and Jay-Z live in the building Beth does. What a missed chance for a cameo!
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I agree that this may be the origin of some of the complaints about performances (and writing), but on the other hand, some folks are defending these performances like they were the result of some genius Bresson actor-model technique.
I mean, I have consistently said that the performances were incidental to the experience of the movie; they only had to be believable enough not to be distracting, and certainly they should have been and were designed to be normal, uninspiring characters.
BUT, I think the quality of the writing and the performances were largely the result of the limitations of the (network television) team that made this movie, more so than the craft.
They did a good enough job to not distract me from their awesome POV monster thrill ride.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link
-- max, Friday, January 25, 2008 6:52 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link
ya to be honest this whole didn't-care line of complaints eludes me. i mean, i just don't really value character-likability as an aspect of filmmaking. you're not SUPPOSED to want to bro down with every character in every movie you see. a lot of movies i love feature characters i wouldn't want to be friends with or anything!
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I think its just that some people wanted this to be more than a b movie with a high concept premise, so they're exaggerating ways that the film possibly disappointed them. That said, I don't get why people would find the characters UNlikeable, unless they just really hate NYC CW types.
Also, while the "taped over coney island" thing was novel, the contrast didn't particularly resonate as profound or anything. "remember the good times? before the giant monster?"
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link
you guys are conflating being bored silly by the characters and wanting to be bffs w/ them
― J0rdan S., Friday, 25 January 2008 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link
although "it's early, you can already tell it's gonna be a good day" at the beginning and "today was a good day" at the end kinda stuck with me.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link
the trailers were really awful, "The 300 Apocalyptos" and "The Apocalpytos Have Eyes," zzz.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link
we really don't appreciate the things we have until Godzilla shows up.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
-- da croupier, Friday, January 25, 2008 2:34 PM
lol jay/b sittin on the rooftop sippin on ace of spades like "this is better than the nets game!"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
GOD yes. Straight up garbage.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
jay and b would have also been a good Rob and Beth, Jay learning from Godzilla that love matters more than the hustle.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
KANYE PUT DOWN THE CAMERA!
PEOPLE GONNA WANNA SEE WHAT I WENT THROUGH, JAY!
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link
-- J0rdan S., Friday, January 25, 2008 2:58 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
maybe a mike leigh movie would've been more your speed...?
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link
or the host, maybe the host
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
though little kids, old men and well-meaning simpletons are always more sentimental than CW cast members
it might be part of the nature of the POV cam. I thought the characters in Redacted were great until the Casualties of War kicked in, but some people thought they were insufferable too. BWP got the same critique. maybe folks aren't prone to sympathize with obnoxious young people talking to a camera.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
The movie was very good. The performances were mediocre. the moments wherein the director chose to focus on the drama of the characters were lackluster. There moments were mercifully brief, so it turned out just fine.
I don't think every bit of blase acting was the deliberate choice of the director and the actors.
I also don't understand why it is so surprising that the last scenes were a little anti-climactic and yawn-worthy. Blah blah blah I love you. I had little invested in these characters other than as furniture in the movie. Shut up boring furniture.
PS: I really liked this movie!
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm just happy that my new girlfriend got away.
― HI DERE, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
...probably
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I would have cared more if I got to see her boobies.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link
There is almost no reason to do the compare/contrast approach on this movie and "The Host". They are from largely different genres, and have entirely different motivations/intentions (neither of which are the word I'm looking for, but you know what i mean).
― John Justen, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
-- da croupier, Friday, January 25, 2008 10:07 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
lol. although it's not necessarily implausible that Beth would've lived in the same building as them, she certainly looked like a model and they didn't say at any point that she wasn't.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
DUH
― HI DERE, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
-- John Justen, Friday, January 25, 2008 3:35 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
i dunno dude, they're both new takes on the rampaging monster movie, i don't think it's out of line to take a critical look at their different approaches
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
There is almost no reason to do the compare/contrast approach on this movie and "The Host".
They're both monster movies. One was political, humanistic, and humorous. The other was what it would have been like if the cast of Dawson's creek had been given a video camera before they were killed off spectacularly.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, they were both essentially disaster movies with the creature as the force of nature.
They were very different movies, by design, though. I do agree that any comparison has to take this into account. I just couldn't resist the snark. ;)
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
have ppl comparing this to dawsons creek actually seen dawsons creek
― and what, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Not me.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, you might want to back off the "Dawson's Creek" comparisons, then. These characters weren't nearly as nerdy-verbose as the "DC" kids.
― HI DERE, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, January 25, 2008 1:41 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link
"M'am, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. My bartender, myself, and my general manager will not tolerate your destruction of our property. We have not and will not charge you a cent and you're free to take your business elsewhere. I'd rather not call the police, but if you insist on continuing to eat our guests I will. Please leave."
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
and no joey potter type xp
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"Friends" is WAY more accurate of a comparison, particularly wrt setting and professional success of the characters involved.
― HI DERE, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
(Which, you know, kudos for being the predictable hispter with kneejerk "Friends" hate.)
― HI DERE, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
the monster is kind of the "ugly naked guy" of 2008.
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link
or fat naked guy. what was that guy called
matthew perry
― and what, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
eau non vous di-int
-- Dr Morbius, Friday, January 25, 2008 3:49 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
wahha
http://www.usmagazine.com/node/3396
― and what, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link
are they still together?
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link
http://icydk.com/2007/02/01/couple-alert-meg-ryan-and-matthew-perry/
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link
this is all old intelligence... i need a more recent source
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link
ps my friend saw meg ryan at a sundance party last week and said she looked majorly fucked up
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
usually when someone dumps me for Meg Ryan after less than 3 months of dating I assume it's over.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link
lol @ kanye as hud
― max, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
re: host comment - one is a monster movie on a grand scale (host), one is a disaster movie. The key difference is that one movie is built on the premise of the characters trying to engage/fight the monster, the other is built on the idea that the characters are doing everything they can to avoid the monster. One of the central points of the host is the origin of the creature, where the central point of cloverfield is that the audience has no idea where the creature came from or why it is doing what it's doing. The host is heavy on political allegory and critique, cloverfield makes efforts to avoid the same.
They are similar in that both creatures are gray quadripeds.
― John Justen, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link
See, you just compared them.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link
John J and Fluffy At the Movies
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link
let us come to an understanding of "King Kong" via the artistry of "Congo" then.
― John Justen, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahaha. I totally agree with John's comparison between these two movies. They are very different, as I said, by design.
One of the central points of the host is the origin of the creature, where the central point of cloverfield is that the audience has no idea where the creature came from or why it is doing what it's doing. The host is heavy on political allegory and critique, cloverfield makes efforts to avoid the same.
Exactly. The story of the origin of the creature is essential to the political themes of the Host. However, the mysterious Cloverfield monster and our ignorance about it may be a spot-on, if unintentional, critique of American politics.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
It was her daddy's apartment. Rob says this when he starts taping at the beginning, before he tries to initiate a sex tape of his very own.
― milo z, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Most of the people making arguments about plausibility on this thread need to be more concerned with comprehension than analysis.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Rob actually zooms in on the pictures of Beth and her Dad on the mantle, shortly after making this announcement. It's like the makers of this movie were screaming LET US EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THESE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE ARE IN THIS RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE APARTMENT.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Our rich dads, let us show you them.
― milo z, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
it's like the makers of this film are like LET US PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME EXPOSITORY MATERIAL ON THESE CHARACTERS.
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
the idea is ludicrous, i know.
This is why filmmakers beat us over the head with repetition and flash-backs to shit we saw on screen 15 minutes prior. THANKS LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR FOR SLOWING UP MY CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
haha ok i thought maybe it was the same building they were in in the first scene but i wasn't sure.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i got that because the first shot was out of the window over central park and stuff, but i didn't feel that they dwelt on the photo excessively long, if at all. but i misheard and figured it was rob's dad's apartment! oh noes!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link
the key difference is that one movie is built on the premise of the characters trying to engage/fight the monster, the other is built on the idea that the characters are doing everything they can to avoid the monster.
the characters don't engage the monster except to rescue the missing girl. Their mission, like the mission of the folks in Cloverfield, is to rescue their endangered loved one from a monster we never get a good look at while the government quarantines those who got too near it and tries to kill it.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link
and part of the reason I compared it to the host is that it HAD worthwhile metaphor and more emotional involvement as well as OOH AHH RUN SAVE THE GIRL.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link
The engage/avoid distinction is important. The Host is a political movie and the confrontation is key. Cloverfield is all about the pure experience and the immediacy of something terrible happening that you can't avoid.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link
The Host deals with "something terrible happening that you can't avoid" as well (in both cases the main characters would stay out of harm's way if not for a distressed phone call from a loved one in danger), as far as "pure experience" goes...um...yeah, I suppose acknowledging politics might get in the way of that? I admit that Cloverfield is a high concept B-movie and the Host is something else, but to say they shouldn't be compared is to ignore the obvious similarities.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I can totally see why someone would prefer one or other, I'm not suggesting otherwise.
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link
or THE other
-- da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:25 (2 hours ago) Link
otm
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
on the other hand, cloverfield is short and trim and exciting from the moment shit starts to go down, whereas the host is at least 30 minutes too long. shoulda cut it for US release.
I love the fact that it's as short as it is. Didn't need any more. (But that's also the kind of film it is -- There Will Be Blood is twice as long and while I'll have to watch it again at some point to see how it holds up, right now I thought it was the length it needed to be as well.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link
yup!
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link
oh god if cloverfield ahd been longer it would have been baaad
― max, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
cloverfield 2: the next day
― s1ocki, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
-- s1ocki, Friday, January 25, 2008 9:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
otm.
I liked the Host but not as much as i wanted to because of how much it dragged.
― latebloomer, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link
blasphemy
― da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link
not that I'm suggesting Cloverfield should have been longer.
rob's party mix from cloverfield
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 January 2008 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Bright Eyes? Rob had to die.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 January 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
I misread this as "gay quadripeds". someone cleverer than I can figure a way to riff on this.
― Simon H., Saturday, 26 January 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
the dude's stomach being open was a great example of this--you dont know what really happened but your first thought is OH SHIT ALIEN
My first thought was "it's the heart attack scene from The Thing"
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 January 2008 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't care about Lost and Abrams is perpetually on my negative list for writing that horrid Armageddon screenplay, so I was prepared to dislike this but I thought that it was great. More or less a live action version of the "Monster" scenario from the original Sim City when a monster would appear in the river and go after your nuclear power plant.
I liked how the story refused to go down any cliche dead ends. I initially expected irritable and shell-shocked Marlena to turn into Alien Killer Ripley after being hurt in the lice attack. Operation Hammer Down wasn't hyped with something silly like "son, in three hours Manhattan is going to be a vapor cloud the size of Kansas" And the military is portrayed as being competent professionals organized enough to get a department store MASH unit set up and tanks rolling in the space of a couple hours.
Hud = Bill Paxton character (named Hudson!) from Aliens
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 January 2008 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I also avoided any ARG, internet hype, or any related b.s. before viewing. I think this was a wise move.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 January 2008 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, this movies owe a LOT to Miracle Mile
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 January 2008 10:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Even more than it owes to The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms or the short lived TV series Surface
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 January 2008 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I was also bothered by the same thing that bothered William Gibson
saw Cloverfield last night, and nothing about it bugged me more than those quotes around "Central Park" on the DoD evidence tag that opens the film. It immediately tells us that this film has not been made by native science fiction minds. If Central Park is no longer called Central Park, but is officially referred to as "the area formerly known as 'Central Park'", but the DoD still exists, we know that this is not a *far-future* evidence tag. So if Central Park is now known as "The Killing Fields", or "The Ghastly Black Glass Ocean", then *tell* us. Those quotes are extraordinarily clumsy (and the card itself is typographically unconvincing).Very first thing in the film. Matters. Hugely.O well. Did anyone else come home and Google Peter Watkins' The War Game and The Deadly Mantis ?
Very first thing in the film. Matters. Hugely.
O well. Did anyone else come home and Google Peter Watkins' The War Game and The Deadly Mantis ?
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 January 2008 10:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Will be remembered as an infamously stupid, empty, entertaining and big-screen-mandatory-viewing flick which sets a new benchmark for disaster production values...that nevertheless has its own cult (and, as is evident from upthread, vociferous fanboy-defenders who attack you if you dare to talk about how dumb and incredulous it is). I can fully understand why people would be booing at this, especially with the hype. As many have already said: at least with Blair Witch you were using your imagination, but one look at that tacky, derivative monster made me think of Barney the Dinosaur. Couldn't the monster at least have been something more creative, maybe a shape or being we haven't seen a million times before? And its spawn-children only reminded me of Starship Troopers
This was still thrilling to watch when everything starts crumbing though, with noted verisimilitude. But more limitedly pleasurable in a "I can't wait until all these bastards finally get offed," sort of way. My friend and I started laughing out when they climb the 40 flights of stairs or whatever and find Beth to open her eyes exactly on time and say "Are you really here?" I think Abrams crafted this all to be very self-knowing however, I mean he's having the main character be called a douchebag from the start; he never intended these self-absorbed/entitled assholes to be likable. For me, the smirking knowingness is offset by how much douchebaggery I had to endure, ultimately. Not to mention that even three of them and the camera surviving one attack of the monster-children in the subway before the ending's ridiculous-all-purpose survival is kind of distracting. Sorry, it may be the film-student talking, but I'd REALLY like to get a battery-indifferent, self-charging super-camera THAT SURVIVES MONSTER-ATTACK-INSPIRED HELICOPTER CRASHES. Could come in handy!
Oh, and Manhola Dargis is a better critic than almost anyone on ILX. Please. (Her leaving the LA Times for the NYT was the paper's greatest loss in recent years, not all this editor-related mess!). Don't hate the haters!
― Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 27 January 2008 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link
the film is "incredulous" huh. damn, i'm impressed.
dargis being a better critic than "almost anyone on ILX" is a pretty good zing though.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 27 January 2008 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Also the pontificating on how this is related to or reflects such-and-such generation's youtubuality or whatnot is ...really straining. It's just another disaster-monster flick people, not a mirror image of the Millennial/Y2K kids' zeitgeist or whatever some are saying
Maybe "illogical" works better than incredulous. I'm happy for you if you were never taken out of it or distracted by all the gaping holes...I don't really give a shit since I saw it for free, and didn't feel like it was a full waste of time
(Oh and I don't write on ilx in an attempt to "zing" or "make it to the LOL thread. Ever)
― Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 27 January 2008 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, it was fun to see on the big screen. It wasn't a particularly clever or satisfying or original film. It looked great, but made little sense even within its internal narrative/logic. I don't see what the big deal is if someone doesn't agree with you and think this is this new instant classic of Godzilla-like proportions - because really, it isn't.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 27 January 2008 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link
>(Oh and I don't write on ilx in an attempt to "zing" or "make it to the LOL thread. Ever) - Believe it or not not everyone posts here to "impress"
― Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 27 January 2008 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
don't worry, you're not impressing anyone.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 27 January 2008 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Gosh, aren't you witty
― Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 27 January 2008 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope you make it to the LOL thread today! Zing away instead of actually discuss anything someone might not like abt your new fave film - oh wait, that would be beneath you
― Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 27 January 2008 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
That point of Gibson's is very good.
― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 27 January 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
It's good but you could turn it around and say that they haven't actually renamed the place yet. (Hey, for all we know they found the tape two days later or something.)
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 January 2008 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link
i was bothered by the "area formerly known as 'central park'" bit not really for gibson's reason but mostly because it just seems like a cheap awkward way to say "OMG CENTRAL PARK IS DRESTROYED"
― max, Sunday, 27 January 2008 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
It was also as good a way to point out from the start "look this movie ain't going to be sunshine and roses at the end, so deal" as any.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 January 2008 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link
gibson's point is completely trivial and sci-fi snobby. doesn't "matter. hugely." total comic book store guy criticism.
― s1ocki, Sunday, 27 January 2008 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Elvis Telecom, Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:35 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link
totally agree. that is one great and FUCKED-UP movie.
― s1ocki, Sunday, 27 January 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
totally harrowing, that one. so glad i didn't see it when it came out.
Had almost forgotten about Miracle Mile -- the last great Cold War nuke paranoia movie, IIR the plot C. (As opposed to the ones after the Cold War.)
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
-- s1ocki, Sunday, 27 January 2008 17:57 (27 minutes ago) Link
you mean "comic book guy"
― and what, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
hahaha
― s1ocki, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://cbg.nohomers.net/images/newgrab4.gif
"It immediately tells us that this film has not been made by native science fiction minds."
― s1ocki, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
you get the idea.
i couldn't find a picture of him declaiming.
a native science fiction mind would've clicked through more GIS pages to find the right image.
― Alex in Baltimore, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.westga.edu/~llipoma/comic-book-guy-milhouse.jpg "the answer is fries"
― and what, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
lol @ use of the word "declaiming"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
doesn't get used enough anymore
as soon as we were sposed to buy that rob was vp of some shit lookin so scraggly and unshaven this lost all its plausability
― johnny crunch, Monday, 28 January 2008 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah I maybe didn't buy a mid-20s VP of Marketing?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link
you know what i look for in godzilla movies? plausbility.
― da croupier, Monday, 28 January 2008 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link
lol, i was obv joking. but if hte whole 'something falling into water in coney isl shot' is legit and there (not that i noticed) but why would there be some connection btwn that apr 11(?) or whatever date and the may 22 first attack? or would there be i guess...i mean, maybe there id be all, fuck suspending disbeliefs that rob gets that footage and then all this, tho lol its a movie
― johnny crunch, Monday, 28 January 2008 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link
oh hi, i finally saw this and would like to go on record that all my opinions are the opposite of the other jordan's.
― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Zing away instead of actually discuss anything someone might not like abt your new fave film
What's the point? You've explicitly stated that the things that bothered you about this movie and kept you from enjoying it are the things that other people really enjoyed about the movie; what is there to actually discuss here?
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link
wow this thread grew huge, the movie's sparked lively discussion if anything.
― Ste, Monday, 28 January 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
and then that lively discussion left this thread and DESTROYED MANHATTAN
― latebloomer, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, i missed all the fun. :(
― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
NOTE TO FUTURE POSTERS THAT HATED THE FILM:
Please indicate in your first post whether you are from the Staten Island Ferry or blimp camp. Thanks in advance.
― John Justen, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Future posters are gonna wanna know how it all went down.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess my main point here is that pointing out stuff that people enjoyed and saying "I hate shit like this" is neither conducive to holding a conversation or getting people who did like it to take you seriously. If you're not going to say why (or if that why is "because it was dumb"), there's nothing to talk about; you've just got competing inimical opinions. Who cares about talking about that?
In summation:
INTERESTING: "This film didn't work for me because I didn't believe <x>. Maybe I would have bought it if <y> had happened instead." NOT INTERESTING: "This film was dumb and you guys are bullies wah wah wah wah."
INTERESTING: "I didn't buy the secondary characters going along with Rob; why on Earth did they decide to do that?" NOT INTERESTING: "Rob was such an asshole for dragging all of his friends with him. Wah wah wah wah wah wah."
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
i think that gibson comment is way off because, intentionally or not, there were tons of ironies zinging around while watching this: "i am watching secret government footage of a disaster" vs "i am sitting in a theater watching a monster movie"
nobody in the movie says "monster" or "creature" at all, i don't think, and this gets more and more hilarious the more i think about it. i love the universe these kids are in: exactly like our own, right down to sephora and gorillaz, but also having a huge fucking monster... and also NOT having any other monster movies, so that godzilla occupies huge space in OUR heads but not theirs, or when soldiers with their guts blown out makes US catch our breath thinking "o fuk alien!!1" but not them.
― gff, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link
"sir, you should see this. we've recovered some video from the cloverfield event cleanup. it's well paced and innovative but our initial analysis is that the characters are weak and their survival implausible."
― gff, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link
the soldier who lets them run off for the girl is sooo busted. if he's alive.
― gff, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link
yea this is kind of what i meant by bringing up kevin williamson -- that's how it would've gone down 10 years ago.
the gibson criticism is lame.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link
basically this movie gave me a lot to think about and try to parse in different ways and that's why it's good.
― gff, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link
one thing i was wondering, the credits say something like "stills from 'phantom from 10,000 leagues and [some other monster movies] courtesy of blah blah blah", what part of the movie did those show up in? were they hidden in the party scene somewhere?
― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link
also:
lily = so, so hot.
as much as i appreciated having no music in the movie, the credits theme is kind of awesome. it's like the soundtrack to the movie they didn't make, the one where there are tanks that shoot lasers and the cloverfield monster is eventually taken out by an avenging godzilla.
― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
OTM OTM OTM OTM
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link
i was fine with the other douchebottles dying, as long as she got away in that helicopter.
― Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link
-- HI DERE, Monday, January 28, 2008 9:08 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
<3
― s1ocki, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link
-- gff, Monday, January 28, 2008 4:28 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
hahhahaha
― and what, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, the lack of reference to the universe of movies is a total disconnect. I've gotta say, however, that characters commenting directly on the allusions in a movie = annoying as shit & way overdone in a lot of comedies.
I would have liked this movie so much less if Godzilla or any other relevant monsters/movies were discussed by the characters.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I kind of liked that the characters seemed so shellshocked and scared that it didn't occur to them to make connections to Godzilla movies.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link
ya. i dont think that makes them exist in a totally different pop culture continuum.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Referencing other movies is one of those things that would have pulled me out of suspension of disbelief; making this "Godzilla" meets "Blair Witch" was fine, but throwing "Scream" in there would have been a little too self-referential and needlessly "clever" for my tastes.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link
ya, i was gonna say, how much would you complain if it was the other way around??
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link
its easier to imagine teenage psychopaths being influenced by slasher movies than a giant monster influenced by monster movies.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link
or rather, Godzillas are already a lot more ridiculous than some guy holding a knife, and therefore the horror can't really survive further detachment.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link
ooh look at me i'm just like godzilla!
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
giant monster should have been influenced by the bourne trilogy
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
i would have been happy if one of the characters had said "nobody steps on a church in MY town!" tho
calling up random people and saying "do you see the monster? if you want to live, do what I say. go to the bridge. NOW. go NOW." only to smash the bridge when they get there haha.
x-post
― da croupier, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the leap for the helicopter was heavily influenced by the parkour scenes in "The Bourne Ultimatum" and "Casino Royale".
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually, if the big money shot of the monster had featured it wearing a sign that said "I LOVE NIGGERS", that would have been awesome.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry, "I HATE NIGGERS" (I shd watch that movie again sometime soon)
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahahahahahahaha
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
middle-aged, square harlem shopowner approaches monster, explains to monster that it is about to get killed
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
guys i'm not asking for the kids in the movie to be more referential, it's just one of the wrinkles in the concept that i thought was fun
― gff, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link
It is interesting, gff. In order to keep the audience immersed in a believable universe, the creators have to mold a universe absent a specific set of irl believable reactions.
This true of every serious genre film. Nobody can know or reference the movies they would be intimately familiar with in that genre.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link
... except for "Scream", which basically depended upon said references to differentiate itself from other horror movies (and did so very well, I thought).
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:34 (sixteen years ago) link
This thread had got this long without any mention of "Something else. Also terrible."
?
That kind of made the film for me.
― Alba, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I (mis)quoted that way back up in the hidden section.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Dan mentioned that way upthread (paraphrasing whatever the exact line was). He mentioned laughing at that point; it cracked me up, too.
That and the whole thing with Marlena's death probably led to my positive reaction to this movie.
xpost!
― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
MY FIND FUNCTION IS HORRIBLY UNFORGIVING WHEN IT COMES TO PARAPHRASING.
― Alba, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
lol'ing so hard @ monster w/sign
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link
It was the lightness of its brush with knowing, "with-the-audience" humour that I loved. I hate it when that kind of thing is overdone, but here it was a perfect play on the monsters' peripherality/lack of back story.
I loved Marlena's death too, but I kind of loved everything about Marlena. I don't remember her in Mean Girls.
― Alba, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
The handheld thing I kind of lost willing suspension of disbelief with around the time they were clambering up that upturned roof.
― Alba, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
This film reminded me that I started a thread once about the last film Matt Smith directed, which was ... very different.
'The Pallbearer' (1996) Starring David Schwimmer and Gwyneth Paltrow
― Alba, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
cloverfield 2: the slushoing
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
And you'll track every minute of the ARG stuff for that one too.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
And still no one will care.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 31 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
loved this film
― blueski, Sunday, 3 February 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
apparently there's a little audio clip after the credits revealing the monster is still not dead after Operation Hammerdown?
― blueski, Sunday, 3 February 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
that's what wiki says.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 3 February 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Please Hammer don't hurt 'em.
― Alba, Sunday, 3 February 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
OMG I SAW THIS LAST NITE AND ITS SOOOOO FUCK AWZ !1111111!!!!!!1
― jhøshea, Sunday, 3 February 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I <3 TOTAL DESTRUCTION !!!!!!1
re sequel talk, 'other camera found' idea may not work because you wouldn't learn anything new, just experience same thing but with different characters more or less. but learning anything more via a different approach would probably spoil it too. and yet, i can't help wanting more.
― blueski, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
CLOVERFIELD 2: MONSTER MOVES TO BROOKLYN
― jhøshea, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
'28 Cloverfields Later'
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Military boffins perform complex data recovery work on the videotape to reveal the rest of the nice day Rob and Beth had at Coney Island.
― Alba, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link
because Beth says at the start "hope this isn't gonna end up on the internet" or similar, there's probably more footage at the start of the tape that was cut by military prudes
― blueski, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
fer the unrated dvd amirite
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link
what worked for me most was all the distant views of the monster and that mixture of detachment thru distance despite seeing it first person. in a way i fear a lot of this fascination IS 9/11 derived because i often morbidly wondered about witnessing that from a distance rather than actually on TVs (not that i personally saw any of it live on TV even) and the difference in feeling - being so close geographically but just enough 'out of range' etc. gripping to the extent that when someone above above 'new jerseyites liveblogging the whole thing' i was like OMG YES.
― blueski, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i think i would be happy if the sequel was just another cloverfieldian movie but with a different monster/location.
― s1ocki, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Gorillazfield?
― Alba, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
think the monster design may have been part inspired by Species 8472 from TNG
there's another dude on brooklyn bridge shooting and the director said it might be cool to show his story because of that point where they meet for one split second. not enough really tho is it.
― blueski, Sunday, 3 February 2008 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
There are thousands of posts on this thread and I can't believe no one's mentioned that this is above all really fucking scary?
Awesome as well, but I *did* sympathise with the characters because the first person perspective really made you feel like you were right there with them. And them getting out okay is much the same as you getting out okay. That scene when Hud is caught in the middle of the military shooting at the monster and the camera is fixed on the others on the far side of the road screaming = WAU! The scene when they're clambering over the roof and the shonky camera gives you just enough idea of the size of the drop down = also WAU. I don't think I've ever felt such a level of claustrophobia, felt so trapped, by a movie. Of course, the only seats available were right at the front of the cinema which added to the whole experience hugely.
Can people stop saying you're not supposed to care about the characters, or that they're terrible people or whatever? Shallow vacuous self-centred rich white ppl would not stick together like that, going right into the most dangerous part of town, to get their friend (or in Marlena's case a virtual stranger). They're not terribly interesting people, but then most people aren't, the point is that they're everyman (admittedly very good looking everymen). You're supposed to sympathise with them and care about them, and as I've said above the reason is because you're supposed to feel right there, shit-scared, with them. This actually felt more like a very frightening but otherwise exhilirating ride than anything else.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 3 February 2008 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Also I would totally hang out with these guys because the girls they know are all hot.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 3 February 2008 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, A+++. Even if there's no way they would have got in a helicopter that quickly - why weren't there thousands of people clamouring for them?
― Matt DC, Sunday, 3 February 2008 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link
There were, but the military followed a strict Gap models and children first policy.
― Alba, Monday, 4 February 2008 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Let's face it, Marlena was the best thing about the film. She can host my parasitic offspring anytime.
― Ronan, Monday, 4 February 2008 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link
erm..serious answer, my friends complained that this wasn't scary at all. I countered that I agreed but that it was more exciting/thrilling than scary, and that I never expected it to be scary so much as unnerving.
― Ronan, Monday, 4 February 2008 03:25 (sixteen years ago) link
lol. old activist friend just posted this on her blog:
"I saw cloverfield and started thinking about what would happen if there were to be some giant monster attack on an anarchist society.
So here's a text conversation I had with Gabe.
Den: I support the military now. Gab: military drive on sunday nights...of course, me too! Den: No, I mean the real military. Gab: Who the military or vatos locos? tanks are kinda like lo-riders tho. Den: what would happen if we didn't have the military and a monster attacked? Den: what would the anarchist response be? Den: Answer Me!!! Gab: oh sorry left my phone behind...anarchists would question whether the monster legitimately used violence and if it couldn't justify itself - undermine it. Den: even if it was eating people? Gab: well the use of force may be legitimate tho the burden of proof is high for the monster Den: but people are dying Gab: what i think you should be doing is questioning the state's legitimacy in using force against the monster instead of cheerleading it's authoritarianism.
What would an anarchist response be if a giant monster were to attack the city??? Would we have sufficient weapons to defeat a giant monster???"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 February 2008 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link
The other thing that this film did really well was playing with your expectations of suspense and timing. Tension doesn't really build up in an Alien/Jaws kind of way, things just fly at you when you least expect it. The first crashing noise prior to the blackout, after 20mins of party, is really unexpected.
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Saw this Saturday night, loved it a lot. Loved the shot from the helicopter of the monster tearing the city apart, then the camera moving up to see the stealth bomber dropping its bombs onto the monster and the city.
― nate woolls, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Am I right in thinking they didn't show the Empire State Building at all? That was either admirably restrained of them or they just weren't allowed to for some weird reason.
What was the skyscraper that collapsed right at the beginning? I didn't get a good look at it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Tension doesn't really build up in an Alien kind of way
*SPLURTS COFFEE ALL OVER MONITOR!*
― Ste, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link
oh hang on. hahaha, i read that wrong. carry on
― Ste, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:54 (sixteen years ago) link
chrysler building i think
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:56 (sixteen years ago) link
No you see the Chrysler several times later on, seemed to come out pretty unscathed actually. Maybe not after they nuked Manhattan or whatever happened.
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 February 2008 10:06 (sixteen years ago) link
anarchist response to monster = lolololol
― s1ocki, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link
dunno why everyone loves Marlena so much
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link
it is the Empire State that goes down earlier in the film
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Saw this over the weekend and liked it a lot. I suspect this is a film which will divide opinion quite sharply. A number of people in the showing I saw seemed quite disappointed in the whole affair. I'm tempted to say that those people who dislike it either don't understand it on any level or, conversely, are attempting to find far too much that is meaningful whithin the film, which quite obviously isn't there.
I loved the handycam conceit which totally gives you that sense of urgency that the plot requires. The weak spot was the monster itself. I believe it was a mistake to show you the whole creature in that long, and fairly unforgiving, daylight closeup; after the helicopter crash. Arguably it's a payoff to that proportion of the audience who can't be bothered using their imaginations but I don't think the monster's design was quite striking enough to warrant it (it needed more spines in my opinion)
As I can't be arsed reading through the whole thread I don't know whether anyone's mentioned that insane Godzilla pastiche that plays over the end credits. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. It added a completely different level of knowingness to the piece, I think.
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- blueski, Monday, February 4, 2008 2:13 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
something to do with her being hotttttt.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
that insane Godzilla pastiche that plays over the end credits
whuuut?!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Lizzy Caplan has had some bad hair outside of Cloverfield.
― Alba, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't even like her hair in Cloverfield. But she is pretty.
I am ashamed to admit I watched that horrible show she was in with John Ritter's son that I am not even remembering the name of right now.
― Nicole, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
whuuut?!-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:19 (Monday, 4 February 2008 14:19) Bookmark Link
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:19 (Monday, 4 February 2008 14:19) Bookmark Link
It's called ROAR! The Cloverfield Overture, I looked. And it's quite the most bombastic piece of film music I've heard in quite a while.
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Saw this yesterday. LOVED it.
Agree with some people who think it should've ended with the chopper crash, but maybe they changed it because it was too similar to the ending of a certain zombie movie what came out last year. At least that was the first thing it reminded me of.
― Roz, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link
oh okayz i thought you meant they did an snl-type pastiche of the movie. disappointed.
omg alternative title (this will not make sense to everyone) for cloverfield: 'godzilla -- sweded'.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link
the scene in Beth's apartment building gave me vertigo - amazing how they shot that.
― Roz, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Marlena has a MySpace page
http://www.myspace.com/marlenadiamond
― Alba, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
They all have, as far as I know.
― nate woolls, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, but the others can go to hell.
― Alba, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link
YOU LEAVE LILY ALONE
― HI DERE, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
ha ha great photo. she's cute obv but i liked sensible lily more.
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
The shoes weren't very sensible though.
― Nicole, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Common Talib Tribe Called Quest AZ Mos Def Wu Tang Roots Gangstar Scarface Alkaholiks Dilated Peoples Anything I can dance to
Marlena reppin Fort Green
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link
none of these fuckers list MIA in their fave music. they deserved to die.
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Lily didn't die, though! HA
― HI DERE, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Keep telling yourself that.
― Nicole, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, we saw other crashed helicopters -- she might have been on one that didn't, but who knows?
― Nicole, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I KNOW
― HI DERE, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Is this like Peter Pan? Type in all caps if you believe in the survival of hot chicks.
― Nicole, Monday, 4 February 2008 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Peter Dan. (Because Dan Peter is too obvious...isn't it?)
Tension doesn't really build up in an Alien/Jaws kind of way, things just fly at you when you least expect it.
The rats might disagree.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't expect to see as much of the monster as we did. The bit where it eats Hudd in the park was the strongest Jurassic Park reminder for me (like seeing the lawyer get eaten by the T-Rex, but this time from the lawyer's pov).
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^ yes
Lily has to survive in order for the horror/thrill movie convention of the black characters always dying first to be fully inverted.
― HI DERE, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Part of the reason Marlena was so hot is because she was such a bitch. That Garfield line = lololol Hud you were so not ever going to fuck her no matter what terrifying things you managed to save her from.
Haha Dan OTM, I really had Lily down as cannon fodder, mostly because she seemed the most sensible.
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
but this happened ten years ago with Event Horizon :)
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Something else. Also terrible.
― czn, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^ that fucking line, so awesome
― HI DERE, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
There's something of the Guess Who? about Marlena's eyes. They look a little upside down.
― czn, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i love the Friends thing way above but these guys reminded me more of the cast of Zoe.
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link
hud's favorite music on myspace: Music KISS ARMY!!!!! And Van Morrison
― max, Monday, 4 February 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
The monster was putting him out of his misery.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2008 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
i like that rob had token mention of gogol bordello. like some hipster friend of his probably played it at a party and he was drunk going 'hey what's this? from ukraine? you're shittin me bro"
― blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link
oh wait that's how i discovered them
Finally saw this last night, I liked it. But, uh, what camera has a battery that lasts 24 hours? (I'm sure this was discussed way upthread, but I've avoided it for fear of spoilers) Not to mention working just fine after being dropped a bunch of times... yadda yadda
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
But, uh, what camera has a battery that lasts 24 hours?
not the one in the film, which is on for about 80 minutes all in.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
See, I don't buy that. There were obviously lots of edits removed from the footage and I'm willing to bet that Hudd wasn't taking the time to power off the camera completely every time he stopped filming. Minor quibble really, but the fact that it kept working after all the beatings it took was a little more amazing.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
There were obviously lots of edits removed from the footage
no, don't think so.
Minor quibble really, but the fact that it kept working after all the beatings it took was a little more amazing.
minor quibble really, but the fact that a giant a giant seamonster attakced new york was even more amazing.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
a little 30 second version of this film with camera manufacturer logo at the end and caption saying 'our shit don't break' = good advert
― blueski, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahaha, obviously bigger suspensions of disbelief were made, but the camera thing kept sticking in my head during the last twenty minutes. At the outset of the film, they way they put that notice on the screen about this being from one camera found in Central Park, led me to think that maybe the footage would be from multiple cameras. Apparently that idea was saved for the sequel.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah I'm pretty sure the whole idea is that the only cuts are when Hud actually turned the camera off, that the 80 minutes you see are the whole contents of the tape or disc or whatever. Also, it starts late at night and seems to end early in the morning, so that's only like 8-10 hours.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link
you think he'd turn the camera off in the subway station tho
― blueski, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i totally thought about the battery thing but was also like whatever. maybe he had another battery pack.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm pretty sure the idea is it isn't edited. the tape is the tape. otherwise they would have edited out the fragments of rob and beth's big day out (?).
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
more of a gaffe to me was the the taped-over stuff on a memory card. dont work like that. still, whatevs.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
glad they left the shot of beth in bed in
― blueski, Friday, 8 February 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
agreed, slocki. i don't really care, but i wonder how they justified that to themselves (given that if there's one thing these people people should know about, it's how cameras work, right?!).
― Jordan, Friday, 8 February 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
You know, the more I think about it though (which I don't know why I'm bothering) but there had to be footage cut from the party scene. I mean, Hudd talks about how he had been getting testimonials to Rob from everyone at the party, but there were only like, what, four in the movie?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Jordan, Friday, February 8, 2008 4:57 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
i don't know why they didn't just say it was a tape. hdv is a tape format. it would certainly not be inconceivable.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Uh. The entire point of that is that Hud didn't know how to use the camera and was fucking up the recording of the testimonials.
― HI DERE, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I really don't think he was that incompetent with the recording. Whatevs, stupid point to be arguing in the movie.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
let's get back to that bridge issue.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahaha
― John Justen, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i wonder what the dvd of this is going to be like, as fas as extra footage?
― Jordan, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
they should do an inverted version of the movie that's mostly abotu coney island happy day with flashes of monsters and chaos.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Even better -- have the Coney Island happy day stuff come six weeks AFTER the monster.
"Yeah, it's a pity how Hud and Marlena died and all that but at least we got out of the rubble in Central Park. That was kinda scary there for a moment!"
"Ha ha ha!"
*silhouetted kiss against the smoking ruins of Nathan's*
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:35 (sixteen years ago) link
that would have been a good twist!
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't think they would say "it's a pity," though.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link
So much for verisimilitude.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link
they should do an inverted version of the movie where the monster is having a going-away party with his monster friends, and everything's cool until he gets lost on a beer run and winds up in Manhattan.
― Jordan, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahha.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Considering all the extra photos and websites and exterior backstory that was put together for the campaign, they should be able to put something pretty cool together for the DVD release, with or without outtake footage.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Extra footage shows someone sitting over on Staten Island watching it all from a rooftop. "Whoa, weird."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm stoked to have all that slusho information in one place. xp
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Jordan, Friday, February 8, 2008 5:38 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
omg yes yes yes.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 8 February 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link
tracy morgan could be in that version.
"I'm a BIG MONSTER, and I need a BIG SHREDDER."
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 8 February 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I know you said whatevs, but Hud's initial camera incompetence was completely sledgehammered by the movie:
- Lily kept saying "Whatever you do, DO NOT GIVE THE CAMERA TO HUD". - Jason kept asking "Can you handle this? Do you know what you're doing? Are you going to be okay?" when he passed the camera over.
This was followed by 5 minutes of Hud filming himself asking people to give testimonials and then the camera cutting them off as they started intermingled with jump cuts of the camera wildly spinning around filming nothing; it isn't until the Marlena/Beth testimonials come around that Hud masters what's going on with the camera.
― HI DERE, Friday, 8 February 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, February 8, 2008 1:15 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Tracy: I don't want to disappoint our Japanese public - especially Godzilla. Hahaha! I'm just kidding, I know he doesn't care what humans do.
― and what, Friday, 8 February 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i think i've watched that episode at least 50 times now.
― s1ocki, Friday, 8 February 2008 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link
BANTER
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 9 February 2008 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link
so good
― s1ocki, Saturday, 9 February 2008 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Cringed a little at sudden appearance of mob of ethnic looters.
― Savannah Smiles, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:33 (sixteen years ago) link
seemed a pretty multiculti mob to me?
maybe just me though.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i just saw this tonight. god, is this ilx's longest ever thread. waited right through the credits, it's prob been mentioned above but the payoff is "hell monster" and i really liked that. it's like, after all the speculation, it's actually a hell monster. more films should end like that. (speaking as an atheist it's comfortable to be spooked).
― or something, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
what do you mean? someone says hell monster?
― s1ocki, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
it was probably the usher
― latebloomer, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link
after all the overblown music at the end. we waited because we heard there was something more after the credits and maybe it was my wishful self after 10 mins or so but it sounds like the music fades into the white noise at the end of the tape but you hear "hell monster" and then that's it, the end of the tape.
― or something, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
nsfw
― gff, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Isn't that more like someone whispers oh my god it's full of stars or whatever but if you play it backwards he's saying it's alive? There's some unutterably tedious youtube dork explaining it all, probably linked to above if you can be bothered to wade through.
― Matt #2, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:19 (sixteen years ago) link
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yeah is this ilx's longest film thread?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
x-post. well so what if it is? there's only ten thousand posts of such similar bollocks throughout the whole of this thread, the only thing being this was one that got in the film. jeez, sorry for not wading through twenty thousand posts of fucking about.
― or something, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link
x-post to matt2, give it a listen, the film didn't hit me thatn hard.
― or something, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Matt was just offering that the point had been brought up, not belittling you.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I was just talking bollocks really, "hell monster" would've been a lot better anyway.
― Matt #2, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBHjgej9jp8&NR=1
apparently the voice is saying 'help us' but when reversed it's saying 'it's still alive'.
― Rubyredd, Friday, 15 February 2008 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link
who talks like that??
― s1ocki, Friday, 15 February 2008 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Are you aware of Garfield = yes.
I wish the characters had more of this personality.
― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 15 February 2008 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link
there was a fair bit of it, considering. like when hud mispronounces 'crevice'.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 15 February 2008 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost i was a little over-defensive there, blame the staropramen and my slight shame at joining the party abt a year and however-many-thousand posts too late.
― or something, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I liked this film a lot.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I liked the hint that the monster was basically a take on Cthulhu. There were some bits early on where peopel went catatonic purely as a result of seeing him... kind of a shame they did not play that further.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i got the cthulhu thing too. s'why i thought it said "hell monster" at the end there.
― or something, Friday, 15 February 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
everyone at the party seemed really california, or at least not new yorkers. not sure how to explain what i mean by that
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 June 2008 07:36 (fifteen years ago) link
brooklyn bridge collapse was my favorite part
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 June 2008 07:39 (fifteen years ago) link
this movie is pretty awesome seen late at night on your own television
is it rly cause i was thinking it was gonna suck on a tiny tv at home
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 15 June 2008 08:05 (fifteen years ago) link
nope! i can't imagine it on any other format actually, especially the way it opens with color bars, test tone, etc - also it makes it harder to make out details of the beast (good thing!)
the more i think about this the more the cast seems flown in from the set of "i still know what you did last summer" - dumb, incredibly "good-looking", etc - exactly what you want from horror protagonists - but this was more than a horror movie (wasn't it?) so yeah, some interesting people wouldn't have been out of place
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 June 2008 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
have you noticed what actual 22 year olds are like?
― and what, Sunday, 15 June 2008 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link
come on man i don't want to believe that
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 June 2008 23:09 (fifteen years ago) link
22 years from now you'll know all too well.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 June 2008 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link
― and what, Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:28 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark
― HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 18 October 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Pretty good. Works really well on a small screen.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 22 January 2009 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tagruato1.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link
that's a still from the super bowl trailer for abram's star trek reboot
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4436438914_2d57d53dc2.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 March 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQs3SWSs-E
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 15 March 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
classic post
― friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
FEAR RUN
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― how to train your dagon (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYpJA1NnL8&feature=youtu.be
― just sayin, Friday, 15 January 2016 06:36 (eight years ago) link
I wish every movie got announced only two months ahead of time tbh
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 15 January 2016 07:02 (eight years ago) link
Here is a non-bootleg version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQy-ANhnUpE
― how's life, Friday, 15 January 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
Budget - $5M
― johnny crunch, Friday, 15 January 2016 13:06 (eight years ago) link
Forgot about Cloverfield being a quintessential post-9/11 movie, headless Statue of Liberty and all, maybe because it ended up overshadowed in 2008 by The Dark Knight.
― longform Gordon thinkpiece (Eazy), Friday, 15 January 2016 13:10 (eight years ago) link
why is this thread so long
― watching yourself lay a prole (wins), Saturday, 16 January 2016 12:01 (eight years ago) link
Hated Cloverfield but this looks like it could be great, John Goodman is the best.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 16 January 2016 17:14 (eight years ago) link
looks good
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 16 January 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
sounds like it was a preexisting script that they just stuck the Cloverfield name on
― Number None, Saturday, 16 January 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link
This was so disappointing! The first Cloverfield was brilliant - this was just awful, predictable & nothing left to the imagination...
― flappy bird, Sunday, 13 March 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link
i was with you right up until 'the first cloverfield was brilliant'
― ripple-chested beefchrist (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 13 March 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link
This was way better than OG Cloverfield
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 13 March 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link
It couldn't be worse.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 13 March 2016 21:54 (eight years ago) link
No seasickness in this one
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 13 March 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link
Utterly baffled why anyone thought putting Cloverfield in the title of this movie was a good idea. Unless I'm missing some tiny Easter egg or something the story has nothing to do with that movie whatsoever.
But other than that I liked it!
― Star Wars ate shiitake (latebloomer), Monday, 14 March 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
the ending was v much in line with Cloverfield universe, just had no direct connection to that story. spiritual sequel, essentially
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 March 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link
I suppose so but by that logic any sci-fi apocalypse story could be a "spiritual sequel". Reminded me more of Spielberg's War of the Worlds than anything else.
Maybe the rationale is to position this as an a potential ongoing anthology series where each movie is a different take on the end of the world? Idk
― Star Wars ate shiitake (latebloomer), Monday, 14 March 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
yeah, Abrams said it was supposed to be a Twilight Zone sort of anthology thing. Still sucked. Apparently it was a super low-budget spec script, none of the cast or crew knew it would be a Cloverfield film until two months ago, and Abrams came up with the idea to connect them when he was making Star Wars...boo
― flappy bird, Monday, 14 March 2016 17:52 (eight years ago) link
― Number None, Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark
― Number None, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link
oh sorry, you already said that. Yeah, pretty cheap move tbh
― Number None, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link
tbh my enjoyment of the new movie had very little to do w/ the name attached to it being that I barely paid attention to the original
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link
the first hour+ of this was great. really enjoyed the first type of movie it set out to be, i don't know if the other two types of movies were necessary, but props for avoiding most of the predictable moves i guess.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Saturday, 2 April 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link
i absolutely loved this film and especially the ending, every tense, subtle psychological thriller should tilt without warning into a ridiculous b-movie finale
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2016 13:18 (seven years ago) link
like having spent the entire running length of the film in a state of some tension, the ending made me BELLOW with laughter
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
I still can't over that One Perfect Shot of the two smooching before they get on the helicopter.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 May 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link
o i meant 10 cloverfield lane not cloverfield (which i enjoyed on a basic level despite the annoying characters) (well it was satisfying seeing them get ate, at least)
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
yeah this turned out to be a fun twilight zone episode and loved the ending
― balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:42 (seven years ago) link
Yaas
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 5 February 2018 00:29 (six years ago) link
And now months...weeks...hours, MINUTES of anticipation.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2018 00:33 (six years ago) link
Is this project ever going to get a title?!?!
― Cork Taint (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 01:11 (six years ago) link
Oh, I see what the thread revive is about now (non-Super Bowl household here).
― Cork Taint (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 01:14 (six years ago) link
So apparently this went live on Netflix right after the game? Earliest responses ... not positive.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 February 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link
Having liked Cloverfield and loved 10 Cloverfield Lane, this ruined my night. It's not good, but worse is that it had such a developed mythology to build on and they came out with this. Yuck.
― call me by your name..or Finn (fionnland), Monday, 5 February 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
I haven't seen it yet, but you can't expect much mythology building when they're retrofitting these things around pre-existing scripts
― Number None, Monday, 5 February 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
reviews for this are brutal but I like clumsy-but-ambitious genre mashup films so I'm thinking this will be fun
― Evan R, Monday, 5 February 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
so was this event horizon 2 or what?
― the late great, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
no way it's that good
― Simon H., Monday, 5 February 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link
This was fun enough. Not as good as 10CL by a stretch though.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 5 February 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
So the series is just going to be bottom of the Black List scripts with some sort of Cloverfield reference spliced in? Like Bela Lugosi in the Ed Wood movies?
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 03:05 (six years ago) link
It'll still be more consistent than whatever Ridley Scott plan for more Alien movies is.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
This is a dud but the last three seconds are fun
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
whatever Ridley Scott plan for more Alien movies is
1) Spend the budget on design2) Cobble a plot together on the morning you start shooting3) ?????4) Profit
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
this was really really bad and i don't understand why they did it
i mean, not fun bad, just boring terribly acted embarrassingly written nonsensical bad
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 February 2018 05:41 (six years ago) link
OK I read a little bit more about this, sounds like it was a bad movie they knew came out bad and they thought they could resuscitate it commercially by slapping a coat of cloverfield on it?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
It could be, but I doubt it? Like 10CL there's a plot that could be divorced from the original film completely, but there are a lot more references in this one. They could have grafted it in, but they say "Cloverfield" too much for it to be coincidence, unless there was some reshooting/dialogue dubbing
― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
In a live Facebook Q&A on Wednesday, February 8th, The Cloverfield Paradox producer J.J. Abrams answered some questions about the film, which was abruptly released to Netflix immediately after the 2018 Super Bowl, to near-universal negative critical response. The tone of the live panel was positive and upbeat, but the responses may have inadvertently revealed why Cloverfield Paradox feels so fractured. Among other things, Abrams says the film was already shooting when he and the filmmakers figured out how to make it into a Cloverfield movie.“Originally, it was written by Oren Uziel, who wrote a draft that was its own thing, and was around for a while,” Abrams said. When his production company, Bad Robot, acquired the script, “we started to think, ‘What are ways that this might fit into the world?’ But when we started shooting the movie, it was still something we were thinking about. Because the idea for the Cloverfield series was not so much that it be this narrative throughline, but more that they be these really fun sort of thrill rides. Like, if you imagine an amusement park, that’s a Cloverfield amusement park, and every ride has a different purpose, but they all connect in some way or another.”“While we were shooting, we were making adjustments,” Abrams said. “This was a movie that went through many different iterations as it went along.” He added that the film’s Earth scenes were only built out after test viewers insisted on knowing what was happening on the planet during the story, which otherwise takes place on a space station.
“Originally, it was written by Oren Uziel, who wrote a draft that was its own thing, and was around for a while,” Abrams said. When his production company, Bad Robot, acquired the script, “we started to think, ‘What are ways that this might fit into the world?’ But when we started shooting the movie, it was still something we were thinking about. Because the idea for the Cloverfield series was not so much that it be this narrative throughline, but more that they be these really fun sort of thrill rides. Like, if you imagine an amusement park, that’s a Cloverfield amusement park, and every ride has a different purpose, but they all connect in some way or another.”
“While we were shooting, we were making adjustments,” Abrams said. “This was a movie that went through many different iterations as it went along.” He added that the film’s Earth scenes were only built out after test viewers insisted on knowing what was happening on the planet during the story, which otherwise takes place on a space station.
― Number None, Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
I mean I totally like the concept that there are all these different movies, each representing its own genre, and each kind of loosely Cloverfield-branded; it's just that this movie is a very crappy product and I don't understand why Abrams would want to incorporate it into the brand.
The Earth scenes, in particular. WHO CARES? There is a generic "child in peril" and the plot of this part is... the husband tells somebody to call her parents? And then the resolution of the suspense is .... somebody calls her parents?
This was, for instance, much more amateurishly acted and scripted than a typical second-tier SyFy show that no one watches or takes notice of.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
It seemed like a really odd fit and *possibly* answered too many questions through expository dialogue and inserted earth footage outside of the space station. The main problem in the movie is a completely different science fiction plot, the connection to the series is literally staged as a side effect ("the cloverfield effect"!)
The heart of the connective glue being a tv interview with Donal Logue, who seems to have filmed his entire scientific gibberish spiel in an actual remote location, was definitely some prime cheap syfy channel material
― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
Figures that the worst one would be the one that has the origin story tho
― scrüt (wins), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
there is absolutely no reason to ever have one, which means Abrams was definitely going to do it and fuck it up
― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
I just rewatched Cloverfield today. I am very happy that most of this thread is about what douches the characters were. They should've named the movie "Rob...Rob! ROB!"
― Yerac, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
that's my name so every original friend in the world that I saw that trailer with kept going "LOL IT'S ABOUT U NEANER"
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link