vaginas are not clown cars

what are the odds on these fine, upstanding Christian Americans that Fox News is so fond of... being on some kind of social welfare?

Creepiest thread title in a long time.

Michelle has been pregnant for 126 months — or 10.5 years — of her life.

"It actually went fast," she said. "I guess once I started progressing, it went within 30 minutes."

"I guess" = "I dunno, at this point I just lay back and they slide right out"

they live in a 7000 sf house! and feed 17 mouths every day! they've got to be on some kind of welfare or else they are riiiiiiiich

Oh wait, I've seen that little picture you allude to.

The bad thing about having lots of younger siblings is the youngest don't even seem like siblings of the oldest...by the time the youngest is in kindergarten, the oldest is married w/kids, making them more of an aunt or uncle figure.

Their tax refund must be stupendous.

The people I know w/19 kids (some adopted) are diabetes research doctors & can afford it just fine, with a basement pool and everything.

"Sex for us is like a chapstick entering the Luray Caverns at this point," said Jim Bob.

ps abbott i spent a day in twin falls ID this week and it was the weirdest town i have ever been in

ha ha "Jinger"

The list of the kids' names deserves its own poll.

God, there's nothing more revoltingly precious than naming your kids with the same letter.

OMG Twin Falls is extremely weird! The only weirder town in Id is St. Anthony (or as they call it, Sunatanee). Twin is totally the armpit of Idaho. Did you see Hell's Canyon, America's deepest canyon (next to this lady's vag)?

think the eldest kids are EVER going to have children? I'd go in for a Kenanectomy the day I turned 18 if this were my family.

Jedediah is in for a world of Indian rope burns and atomic wedgies.

One thing I find interesting about families like this, though, is that instead of the middle-class western mentality where you concentrate on giving your child every advantage to get them where you want, a lot of larger families seem to still work on the old-school model where you give kids life and feed them as best you can, and then they're off and ... well, there's a life for them, and they'll do as best they can like humans everywhere.

That's a poor articulation of that, maybe.

They live in a place called TONTITOWN.

I grew up next to a lot of 11 or 12 kid families...the oldest ones always got married at like 18-20 and were having kids at quite the clip.

Michelle has been pregnant for 126 months — or 10.5 years — of her life.

Jedediah is in for a world of Indian rope burns and atomic wedgies.

he's home schooled. he knows of no other children.

Every time these people have a baby they make the news, and every time I'm confused by "Jinger." It always takes me way too much time to process that they must mean it to be pronounced like "ginger" (the spice).

These people terrify me.

And yeah, defs what Nabisco describes. Or teaching each other how to cook, dress, what teachers to take at school...practical knowledge from one another less than from the parents.

I drove through Tontitown on my moped two weeks ago. These Duggars, they are practically my neighbors.

I drove over Hell's Canyon! It was totally surprising; wasn't prepared for it at all.

But the downtown was the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Those storefronts that weren't abandoned had weirdo stores that hadn't changed their stock in 50 years.

If I were a photojournalist, Twin Falls would be a really interesting place to do portraits/street scenes.

...also, the everyone with the letter "j" thing is fucking batshit.

the Duggars have gone through an estimated 90,000 diapers

This is the kind of statistic that you can't find just anywhere.

Dude, ALL the downtowns in Idaho (save for Boise) are like that, even in the pop. 400 towns! Buildings that say "Hospital 1914" on the top and are occupied by some dry goods store that's had the same crepe paper in its window for the past 20 years and are still selling action figures from the "Dinosaurs" show.

xpost

My Jod, how did they come up with Jinger?

"Well, you can call me Jay..."

I can't really fathom how people do it, but I do find something about that notion of child-having kind of great! I mean, it requires a deep-down belief that the basics of having a life -- growing up with your family, engaging with the world, falling in love, having your own family -- are more important and better gifts than maximizing the success of just a couple children. It seems sappy as I type it, but that's kind of a gritty optimism! It's a belief that just living a life, no matter how it turns out, is a worthwhile thing ... which is an idea that I think is strangely absent or undervalued in the middle-class US a lot of the time.

Yeah, I like it too, but a lot of times, FUCK, these kids are pooooor.

naming your kids with the same letter

I don't know, I went to school with a few of the kids from a huge family (13 or 14 kids) where all the names ended with the syllables "erry": Barry, Cary, Gary, Harry, Jerry, Mary, Perry, Terry, etc. That way, the parents didn't have to remember the kid's actual name, just get close.

Isn't this just inertia at this point?

See, I feel exactly the opposite of nabisco here, because it's not like we're running out of human beings anytime soon, but we are running out of the kinds of things that families like this tend to use up at a prodigious fucking rate. You can have the kind of thing you describe with two kids just as easily as with twenty.

lot of player hatin' on this thread

I mean, it requires a deep-down belief that the basics of having a life -- growing up with your family, engaging with the world, falling in love, having your own family -- are more important and better gifts than maximizing the success of just a couple children. It seems sappy as I type it, but that's kind of a gritty optimism!

It's funny, nabisco, 'cause my ex-wife's Breton mother was one of 17 kids, the mother of whom grew up in a house with terre battue (beaten earth) floors and barely spoke French. One kid died in Indochina, one in Algeria, one was rather retarded (I met her. She warned my ex-wife to be careful about the red skins in America.), and several otheres died from alcoholism and suicide The brood's mother was dead by her late 50's. The whole thing seemed less like gritty, Protestant optimism and more like obscurantist, peasant fatalism with a nice overlay of some weird kind of French gothic decadence.

If she had been willing to shell out just a little bit more for the Wallogina model, she could have saved herself quite a bit of time.

wonder how much a 7000sq ft home in rogers, arkansas costs

Phil D OTM

LET'S FIND OUT!

xp

http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?mindt=1%2f1%2f0001+12%3a00%3a00+AM&maxdt=12%2f31%2f9999+11%3a59%3a59+PM&source=a15696&ctid=1140&ml=3&typ=5&sid=38aae90216b64f41a64c5fc12a404d6b&pg=155&lid=1070364777&lsn=1550&srcnt=1557

messy.

approx 7K ft sq on .5 acres (!!!!!!!) of land for 2M. 5 total bedroom(s), 5 total bath(s), 4 total full bath(s), 2 total half bath(s)

lot of player hatin' on this thread

-- da croupier, Friday, August 3, 2007 10:52 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol!

You can't really have the same thing with two kids, Phil, because then you have only given two people life, and you could do it with more -- even with Michael's example, I think the optimism lies more in thinking that the fact of someone having a life at all is an extraordinary thing, and worthwhile even if it consists of much struggle or unextraordinary results. Here is life, go forth into it, etc.

I am not saying I recommend this, or that families couldn't comfortably live up to that around like 8 births -- just that I find it an interesting mentality to find in the western world, and there are notions in there that are worthwhile. People often talk about the economic reasons families in the third world have lots of children, but possibly leave out this mentality, where just having a child and sending him/her forth into the world is a thing in itself, just so long as you can feed it.

Seventeen still beats all, but my parents both come from families hovering around the 10-children point -- and on at least one side of the family, the idea of random east-African farmers having a bunch of kids and half of them winding up college professors in the US offers some slight recommendation to this sort of thing not always ending in misery. The thing is, even if all of those children hadn't lucked out, had died of childhood diseases or become random east-African farmers of even smaller plots, I'm not sure I'd describe it as some awful fatalism for my grandparents to have just been happy they had kids who saw the world for a while and struggled like everyone else.

That's probably not a good avenue of comparison, though, because in the third world the only real question is whether you can feed the child or not -- the west offers opportunities to invest in the child, to offer better education and buy things that make him/her happy, and so on...

Anyway, rest assured I am not saying this is a wonderful plan, just that there's some kind of faith and optimism somewhere in there that I, umm, find touching and admire, from a great great distance.

More must pass on our awesome, awesome genes!!!

xp - but that house is in Little Rock, which is almost like civilization.

Looking at the mom and one of the eldest girls, is this the actual family from the "Vagina, it's not a clown car"? photo? That pic was around in 2003 and I think there were 13 kids on it then, so that might be about right...

http://www.foxnews.com/images/303007/0_61_080307_17Kids.jpg

I like how the older kids are all smiles and the young ones are like "BEWARE BEWARE"

http://cache.bordom.net/images/f4417fa96d0de8973a80bf49624aadce.jpg

looks about right

Oh god is it that family? Hahaha.

An Apostolic Lutheran family near where I grew up was rumored to have had 23 kiddos. That's like two soccer teams plus a ref.

Is it evem good for the body to have that many children? Eep.

does that really matter?

People from that denomination were widely known to drive big 12 or 15-passenger vans to hold all the kids. If you drove by one of the churches you'd see it wasn't necessarily an inaccurate stereotype.

there's been at least one filipino family that got up to 30 or so

I would put money on these people having no idea where babies come from

how do you mean

cause i mean like he's has sex with her at least 17 times, maybe even more if you know what i mean

I think he's saying that maybe they do not get the connection and perhaps think that the Lord is just Blessing them with an Enormous Tax Exemption.

Tontitown has some good Italian food.

And yes, it's the same family in both pictures.

See, I feel exactly the opposite of nabisco here, because it's not like we're running out of human beings anytime soon, but we are running out of the kinds of things that families like this tend to use up at a prodigious fucking rate. You can have the kind of thing you describe with two kids just as easily as with twenty.

-- Phil D., Friday, August 3, 2007 6:51 PM (Friday, August 3, 2007 6:51 PM) Bookmark

yeah maybe they should at least try using some cloth diapers instead of 90k disposable ones!

The whole thing seemed less like gritty, Protestant optimism and more like obscurantist, peasant fatalism with a nice overlay of some weird kind of French gothic decadence.

I'm late now, but I have changed my mind about my screen name.

That's probably not a good avenue of comparison, though, because in the third world the only real question is whether you can feed the child or not -- the west offers opportunities to invest in the child, to offer better education and buy things that make him/her happy, and so on...

depends on what you make, doesn't it?

even in this first world

<i>You can't really have the same thing with two kids, Phil, because then you have only given two people life</i>

"Only." If you really value "creating a life" as a good in itself, any number greater than zero is sufficient.

no, if you value "creating a life" as a good in itself then you can always do more good by creating more lives (at least until your womb dries up or your husband becomes impotent, which is god's sign that you've done enough).

http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/monthly_07_2007/post-1337-1185581304.jpg

also, http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf

if they had put a bun around it my getting-it time on that first post would've been much improved

i don't get the hot dog or the babby .swf :-/

from a freeper

To: Liberty1970
Looks are deceiving.

Actually, according to close friends of the Duggars, the older kids are in complete charge of the younger ones. Yep. Mrs. D gives birth and breastfeeds - then the older ones take over.

She also does something called blanket training. Blanket training means putting a baby on a blanket, using a stick to hit all around the edge of it as a threat to baby not to come off the blanket, or it will get the stick. Once baby is so trained, mom leaves it there so she can chat with friends. Raising kids or what?

They get a lot of donations from people - so while it's not govrernment welfare, JimBob doesn't really provide. With all the publicity he exploits his family and his sexual appetite for material gain.

Sad. Using children for political and material gain.

http://www.staralicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/dina-lohan-lindsay.jpg

Throwing a hot dog down a hallway:

In this fun phrase the hot dog represents a penis and the hallway

 represents the enormous vagina. Usually due to the fact that the woman

 has had many many sexual partners which has stretched the vagina

 walls to the size of a "hallway".

I've heard it as 'throwing a banana up broadway...'

throwing a welly up main street

ok NOW that picture is funny. can't believe i didn't get it.

http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArTljnuXt7mVxSn3lBC_EpQh4wt.?qid=20070705113238AAObnSc

how is babby formed

nabisco wrong, phil right:

if you gotta have a whole bevy o' little ones, why not adopt and do the whole world some good and give your privates a break?

who are we to tell someone how overworked their privates are?

but i see y'allses point all the same.

the world record for most babies born to a single woman is 69. Only two died in infancy.

including four sets of quadruplets

if you gotta have a whole bevy o' little ones, why not adopt and do the whole world some good and give your privates a break?

Because it's not about having the little ones, just creating them.

But I am not of Nabisco's opinion, and am more of the school that this is a fairly terrible world and we must huddle together for safety and squeeze out what little pleasures we can and try to make things better for one another because of it.

Guess who's pregnant with number 18!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90I4TN00&show_article=1&catnum=0

damn gurl

I just learned that my aunt accidentally gave birth to her daughter in the toilet. Just 'sploosh!' Out it came when she was sitting. My dad said she called when it happened, hoping to get hold of my mom (her sister). "I just had my baby in the toilet! What should I do?" "Call the doctor?" he said. The baby was fine.

She know introduces this little girl (who is five!) as "my toilet baby."

My dad could not answer questions about her pelvic floor muscles.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C291949%2C00.html

what the hell

-- river wolf, Friday, August 3, 2007 6:24 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark Link

Original post. she should be deliverin by now

She know introduces this little girl (who is five!) as "my toilet baby."

That is some seriously cruel shit right there.

I hate my aunt so much.

The little girl couldn't be any sweeter, FWIW.

My dad could not answer questions about her pelvic floor muscles.

i should hope not

Well, if she's fucking calling him up to say, "My vagina was too useless to hold in a baby and let me pee simultaneously," who knows. Maybe she shared some more uncomfortable and useless details. It's her thing.

I'm glad to hear that, Abbott, but that's exactly the kind of callous, thoughtless, 'I prefer to make a lame-ass joke than worry about the feelings of my own daughter' kind of stuff that leads to 'issues' down the road.

I know, I really worry about her future relationship with her mom.

My last post was directed at your cousin's superlative sweetness, just to be clear.

She know introduces this little girl (who is five!) as "my toilet baby."

so is there like a whole team of therapists who call your aunt at regular intervals wondering when the therapy is going to start?

Are you in a position to be a good pal/cousin, Abbott?

Yeah, I talk to her, M. She's a sweetie. We write each other letters and such that do not mention her mother or toilets.

She just talks about Dora the Explorer a lot.

And Emeril.

Looking at the age of the kids: this woman had children in a much too rapid succession. But I guess it turned out okay: all her kids survived. I do wonder how she coped/copes (phsyically AND mentally). I'm going mad with the youngest not sleeping through the night at the age of six months (now). What would it be when I have that amount of kids? I guess you kind of go with the flow (har har flow of babies).

(Story continues below)

Until she's in menopause?

The older kids just start taking on parent tasks, is hwo I've always seen it in 10+ kid families.

Save some $$$ on hand-me downs.

Oh god, I know how it goes (seen it with my aunt who had five kids, adopted one and then cared for a whole slew of kids) but I'm not that crazy (or selfless).

whatever happened to river wolf?

he spends his work day on a bicycle which does not lend itself to posting on the internet.

lostilxors.xls

lollll at commercial for plan b during their spawn-a-thon on tlc

and Michelle has been pregnant for 126 months — or 10.5 years — of her life

this is o_0 retarded and all, but that only works out to 7.4 months per pregnancy!

shit is loose baby. It's hard to keep... a baby... in it.

i think that was calculated when she had had less than 100 children

that was at 17! (126/17) how many do they have now? i mean obv this was what a year ago so it couldnt be any more than 18 i suppose

she had #18 in december i think?

that this thred and the toni collete thred are both being revived tonight says something powerful, I think.

god bless her husband for keeping at it. her clown car's gotta be like the fucking holland tunnel at this point

it's not a cunt; it's not a tunnel; it's a chunnel

that was funnier when i heard it in my head

this is o_0 retarded and all, but that only works out to 7.4 months per pregnancy!

Some of those pregnancies were twins too.

it's not a pussy; it's not a four-door; it's a passage into Mordor.

lot of player hatin' on this thread

― da croupier, Friday, August 3, 2007 3:52 PM

this is o_0 retarded and all, but that only works out to 7.4 months per pregnancy!

Some of those pregnancies were twins too.

― •--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:46 PM (26 minutes ago)

oic

po lil terlet chile

"It is quite easy to miss a baby when you're anticipating seven"

California octuplets' mom already has 6 kids: report

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The California woman who astonished doctors earlier this week by giving birth to octuplets at a suburban Los Angeles hospital already has six other children, CBS News reported on Thursday.

The woman delivered six boys and two girls prematurely by Caesarean section on Monday, surprising doctors who had seen only seven babies in ultrasound images.

Officials at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in the Los Angeles suburb of Bellflower have declined to identify the mother or reveal if she received fertility treatments, which can increase the likelihood of multiple births.

There are no known cases of naturally conceived octuplets.

A Kaiser Permanente spokeswoman declined to comment on the CBS report but said that all eight babies were still in the hospital's neonatal intensive care unit and doing well.

Five of the babies were feeding and six were breathing on their own, hospital spokeswoman Nancy Tovar-Huxen said. She said doctors had not yet determined when they could go home.

In reporting on "The Early Show" that the mother already has six other children, a CBS reporter who visited the woman's Los Angeles-area home cited two unnamed acquaintances.

One of those acquaintances said that the mother lived with her parents and that two of her other children were twins.

The birth of the octuplets already has raised eyebrows, with fertility and reproductive experts saying that such high-risk pregnancies should be avoided.

"When we see something like this in the general fertility world, it gives us the heebie-jeebies," Michael Tucker, an Atlanta-based clinical embryologist and leading researcher in fertility treatments, told the Los Angeles Times.

"If a medical practitioner had anything to do with it, there's some degree of inappropriate medical therapy there," the Times quoted him as saying.

The last octuplets known to have survived birth in the United States, six girls and two boys, were born in Houston in 1998. One of the babies, a girl, died one week later.

"Jummy Jue, Jiffany, Jandie, Jordon, Jizzie, Jackson, Jeather, Jody, Jylan, Jermot, Jordan, Jaylor, Jrittany, Jesley, Jumer, Jout, Jassidy, Joe, Jloe, Jax, Junter, Jubella Jabies, Jendall, Jaitlin, Joah, Jasha, Jorgan, Jyra, Jian, Jauren, J*bert, Jondoleezza Jarie, Jhil, Jirthday, Jrystal Jeth, Jubya, Jincest, Jinternational Jarvester, Jitney, Jwitney, Jary, Jabbed Jin Jail"
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that was funnier when i heard it in my head

― JtM Is Ruled By A Black Man (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:38 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i look forward to the depressing reality show

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/30/earlyshow/health/main4764432.shtml

babby-hoarding is the new cat hoarding

Another bible thumping christian brood mare pumping

out slaves for wall mart and the welfare system,

this evangelical lemming belongs in prison,

goosestepping monster

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http://www.woodyallen.com/misc/clowns.gif

Woohoo! 3 months early! That means they can make another one even sooner than planned!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091212/ap_en_tv/us_duggar19_kids

The couple has said they'll continue welcoming children as long as Michelle is able to have them.

Lucky she wasn't like my greatgrandmother who had her menopause in her early 30s.

I wonder how the sex is like with her. No, I srsly don't wanna know.

Michelle Duggar evidently doesn't breastfeed, would would delay ovulation, and since formula fed infants score 5.2 IQ points lower than breastfed ones, there's every chance this mental disability will be perpetuated to all the children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWrMDlafrAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3C-ERBfCms

whether or not that's true any effect on their IQ is gonna be way overshadowed by the fact that she homeschools them from the bible, etc., and iirc they don't believe in letting the girls go to college. oh well.

my point is who cares about whether she breastfeeds them (because the propaganda and moralizing surrounding breastfeeding is tiring tbh), they will end up being as zombie-like as their parents regardless

If god had wanted humans to breastfeed their babies then milk would come out of breasts, so there.

the propaganda and moralizing surrounding breastfeeding is tiring tbh

^^^this

*crossing fingers breastfeeding debate/meltdown/clusterfuck does not ensue*

So, odds are what, she's had at least two gay kids by now?

clusterfuck

Surely most of the Dugg4r kids are still too young for that?

harbl/abbott:

Had I known that was a contentious issue, I'd wouldn't have posted: I just spend a lot of my life tooling around medline and pubmed and thought it no more controversial than FASDs (I've a grown nephew with those).

Michelle Duggar evidently doesn't breastfeed, would would delay ovulation

Uh no. It is not a guaranty. You can still ovulate and, thus, get pregnant. There are plenty of women who breastfeed while pregnant. Here we get a mini-pill when we breastfeed. In fact my pharmacist's wife breastfeed but got pregnant (after three months).

since formula fed infants score 5.2 IQ points lower than breastfed ones

I've read they catch up by a certain age (six?)

Honestly there was a time I regretted breastfeeding my second child. She waking up every (other) hour for the longest time fucked me up for good. hah.

Um, actually the benefits are pretty clear at age 6, at least amongst 14,000 children in Belarus

Well, one more thing I can blame on my mom: my stupidity is due to my mom's desire to stuff a bottle in my mouth instead of a nipple. Beeeeeee-itch. wink wink

BTW for every study there's a counterstudy. (I am exaggerating of course.)

i had actually been thinking about her a couple days ago, like the state of her body and whether she is a superwoman. because i wonder if most women's bodies would just stop accepting any more pregnancies at a certain point. and i was assuming she didn't breastfeed because she got pregnant again and again but maybe i'm wrong. anyway i haven't read the studies about breastfeeding (not something i'm concerned about atm haha) but i know those kinds of conclusions have been criticized because it's not really possible to control properly in that kind of experiment. and also being another one of those things that's not such a big deal but for which people love to tsk disapprovingly. things like being poor (bad schools, not enough food, etc.) should have a much greater effect on IQ than whether you were breastfed.

xp

Of course. There's actually been at least 60 studies by this point, and in reviews, a little more than 2/3s show statistically significant positive effects, about a third none, or nothing with statistical significance. The Belarus study is interesting for two reasons: it huge as these cohort studies go, and Belarus is more ethnically homogeneous than the US or most of Western Europe.

I'm probably thinking too much about this, because my FASDs affected nephew is marrying a woman he knocked up, and they started stocking up on formula 6 months before the birth. I've mentioned one of these studies briefly once while buying them cheesecakes they craved (neither are NNs, she refuses all vegetables), but neither seemed too inquisitive or curious, so I let the matter drop.

xp harbl:

Its impossible to do controlled studies in the U.S. or Western Europe, where health literacy is highly correlated with socioeconomic class, which has a much greater influence on future performance. There's a brief window (perhaps passed) that we can do good studies in East Europe.

xpost

well their kid will probably be less intelligent because his parents are not inquisitive or curious, you know?
i don't even want to have a kid, this is just an interesting problem to me. the level of observation that goes on, beyond scientific things. it's the same thing that provides a context for a woman with 19 kids to have a tv show and have the news announce every time she has another. and the octomom. and all the scary myths about crackbabies.
interesting article btw http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/case-against-breastfeeding

and abbott said not to derail the thread over this ; )

6 iq points pfft

To be honest I don't know and I'm not even sure we'll know for sure because so many factors have an influence.

Yeah six iq points. Whether I was bf or not, it wouldn't have brought me over the 100 treshold. lol

Derelict, the FASD thing is close to home: my grandmother was an alcoholic. Drank during pregnancy. But it didn't fuck up my dad too much. I mean, he doesn't have FAS syndrome. But it did render him infertile (right after I was born actually). Well, that's what my mom said once. It's not talked about in great lengths.

BTW nineteen kids is mad. I mean not in a negative kinda way. Actually to be honest, maybe it is negative: there's only so much attention you can give to a child. And I do think that you can't do that when you have 19 kids.

But you know, fuck it, it's her body and she can do whatever she wants with it. But somebody should tell her that you can have sex and not create babies. lol

Is 5 or 6 points maybe a more significant margin/jumpstart for babbys?

http://www.blisstree.com/breastfeeding123/files/2008/06/chalkboard-with-breastfeeding.jpg

i feel ok passing judgment on her in general! i think she and jim-bob are a force for evil in the world tbqh

You know there are some people who cannot breastfeed, despite desperately wishing to. A close friend of mine is one of these people. Repeated bouts of mastitis meant it was out of the question and the infection/antibiotics meant she couldnt even express to bottle.

She was distraught at this, and anyone suggesting she's a bad mother for doing so would quite rightly be punched in the balls, it makes her FURIOUS when "well meaning" people go on about how impt it is.

Not breastfeeding is probably one of the least questionable things the Duggars do.

yeah definitely

You know there are some people who cannot breastfeed, despite desperately wishing to. A close friend of mine is one of these people. Repeated bouts of mastitis meant it was out of the question and the infection/antibiotics meant she couldnt even express to bottle.

She was distraught at this, and anyone suggesting she's a bad mother for doing so would quite rightly be punched in the balls, it makes her FURIOUS when "well meaning" people go on about how impt it is.

― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:26 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a bummer, and those ppl should def be punched in the balls. however, i'm still with derelict: breastfeeding is strongly recommended when it is not contraindicated (tautology lol). otoh, recommendations are only recommendations, and no one should feel like a bad mother if they'e using a bottle, imo.

i wouldn't wanna do it. sounds inconvenient 2 the extreme but that's what kids are i guess amirite

So, odds are what, she's had at least two gay kids by now?

Actually, if I'm remembering the research right, aren't the odds increasing dramatically with every male child?

GBX on the money re breastfeeding. I firmly believe it's the best infant food etc. but the way women who choose not to breastfeed (for whatever reason) are treated is ridiculous.

The new baby was born at 25 weeks at 1 lb 6 oz. :( There's going to be more to worry about than just breastfeeding vs. formula.

oh god

because i wonder if most women's bodies would just stop accepting any more pregnancies at a certain point.

I'd think evolution would suggest the answer is "no."

right, i have heard of evolution

but 19 kids. in 22 years or something like that.

...seems superhuman to me. she might be the lance armstrong of childbearing.

Does she have a lot of competition in this arena?

shub-niggurath

googled for record most children born to one woman and the answer is 69. with lots of multiple births.

oh damn that sounds so horrible O_O 69 kids!!!!

someone should have said 69 to her before she started

ha it was in 18th century russia. i suspect given the choice she would not have had *quite* that many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Vassilyev
it's true if wikipedia says so right

I wonder if once you're on your 20 something kid, labor just becomes a little inconvenience and nbd. The kids probably just sorta slip right out by that point.

Seriously though after so many kids I wonder what the state of her uterus/cervix is like and whether that might have contributed to such an early arrival this time.

the mind reels

here's an article! http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1604457

but this one had nothing to do with her uterus, she had a c-section because of pre-eclampsia after gall bladder surgery

i guess being pregnant is bad for your gall bladder

Ahhh, I hadn't read anything about that other than on this thread so I didn't know why she delivered so soon.

yeah i can't turn myself away sometimes :/

HUGE MULTIPAROUS is kind of a great term.

Feodor Vassilyev (Russian: Фёдор Васильев) (1707–1782) was a peasant from Shuya, Russia. Though not noteworthy himself, his first wife (whose name is unknown) set the record for most children birthed by a single woman. She gave birth to total of 69 children; however, few other details are known of her life, such as her date of birth or death. She gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, 7 sets of triplets and 4 sets of quadruplets between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 27 births. 67 of the 69 children born survived infancy.

ah my second wife ol whats-her-face had like 70 kids its true

69? Why can't I stop giggling at that nr. Oh right yeah.

clownar vehicularity of the vagina may be hereditary:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43422853/ns/today-parenting/

#20 is expected in April 2012 !

NSFW: http://ngiley.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/sex-with-car.jpg

clown cars are not vaginas

God, there's nothing more revoltingly precious than naming your kids with the same letter.

― Abbott, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:28 (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Go and sit on the stairs!

Oh god a friend of mine posted a mini-rant on Facebook about how selfish this family is and how awful it is when the world is overpopulated as it is. Wow, I could never have anticipated the virtiol she got for that, like I've never seen so many torqued off women angrily firing off missives in ALL CAPS about "how dare you dictate how many children a family has" blah blah.

Well, label any set of people for being 'selfish', particularly on Facebook, and that's what will happen.

It was more just the quantity and the tone of the responses that surprised me.

There are reasons against having a lot of kids, but ultimately it is up to the couple to decide the amount of kids they have (or not have). It is their choice. I would not ever want to be in her place. I love kids, but I would never have 20 kids. There's a limit (in my opinion): you can only give so much attention. I remember my gran once saying that her mother had way too many and that it must have been hell raising'em all. (About 12 in total.) My cousin said she felt lost out since she has about 5 siblings (?).

One thing my wife and I have in common is if you go back a few generations, there's one family that had a large number of children. Making the 'family tree' chart unmanageably wide.

I think Queen Victoria had a few kids yeah?

Anyway, back to the clown cars... or is it, um,

Well I'm certainly not advocating some government mandate on number of children allowed per family, but I'm more bothered by the idea behind these super Christian "breeders" who are driven by the need to populate the earth with more "good Christians". That doesn't seem like a valid reason to continue having kids.

Thing is, if you have too large a family, there's nobody in town you are allowed to shag marry.

I still think Michelle probably has a pregnancy fetish.

I despise these people

Oh god a friend of mine posted a mini-rant on Facebook about how selfish this family is and how awful it is when the world is overpopulated as it is. Wow, I could never have anticipated the virtiol she got for that, like I've never seen so many torqued off women angrily firing off missives in ALL CAPS about "how dare you dictate how many children a family has" blah blah.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:08 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Your friend is right. These people are disgusting and irresponsible and in this day in age there really is no good justification for having an excessively large family but I'm not surprised that she got shit for saying that. I've gotten shit for voicing similar myself from people who get either really defensive or assume that automatically means I'm in favor of laws restricting the number of kids someone can have which, of course, I'm not.

It's kind of understandable to be defensive if people are telling parents of large families they, morally, shouldn't have had one or more of the children they obviously love. It's such an emotive argument, and one expressed so badly online in a lot of cases, i can see why people might snap back even when it's a legitimate point sensitively made.

Well, yeah.

I am not in favor of laws restricting how many children a woman can have which is precisely why I feel very free to voice my opinion that ppl who have large broods make me wonder about their psychological state and make me question how much real thought they've given to the actual lives of their kids.

My ex-wife's mother was one of 17 kids; very Catholic peasant stock. It's weird how many can die and there's still a huge family.

The parents of these excessively large families seem to be addicted to the process of having babies. It's like Logan's Run, but once a child reach the age of 3, the kid is suddenly transformed into the caretaker of the next kid. Mom & Dad must be delegating a hell of a lot to make time for all that baby making.

really only need to schedule time once every 9-12 months.

Hmm, so while preg and during b-feeding, no 'eggs' are released, right?

So, does that process of having an enormous amount of kids put off the menopause?

Hmm, so while preg and during b-feeding, no 'eggs' are released, right?

I wouldn't rely on the second half of that statement

I'm not.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-leader-sued-sexual-battery-treating-young-follower-personal-sex-object

In a bombshell lawsuit that exposes the shocking ways women are treated in the Quiverfull movement — the patriarchal program popularized by the Duggar family and its TLC reality show 19 Kids and Counting — attorneys representing Lourdes Torres have revealed details of the abuse she received from Doug Phillips of Vision Forum.

The lawsuit [PDF], which includes counts of sexual battery and assault, details the “inappropriate, unwanted, and immoral sexual acts committed by Douglas Phillips against Ms. Torres,” noting that Phillips “methodically groomed Ms. Torres” since she was 15 years old “so that she would eventually participate in illicit sexual rendezvous with him promising that she could one day marry him” and “repeatedly told Torres that this was possible because his wife, Beall Phillips, was going to die soon.”

Phillips, one of the most prominent leaders of the Quiverfull movement, last year admitted to having “a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman.” Phillips is extremely close to the Duggar family. In 2010, Torres was featured at the end of a video message at Phillips’ “Baby Conference” thanking Michelle Duggar, to whom Phillips had presented a “Mother of the Year” award.

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-leader-sued-sexual-battery-treating-young-follower-personal-sex-object#sthash.t9YQCPrI.dpuf

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/168000-lifepetition-supporting-the-duggars-surpasses-anti-duggar-petition-t

https://www.lifesitenews.com/petitions/defend-the-duggar-family

"liberal extremists" have a problem with clown car mom opposing a transgender bill.

Josh Duggar, one of the members of the family that stars in TLC's "19 Kids and Counting" ... was the subject of a police investigation for allegedly sexually molesting 5 girls, some of whom are his sisters.
The story was broken by In Touch Weekly, but TMZ has confirmed with law enforcement that Josh Duggar -- who was around 14 at the time -- was the alleged molester against 5 girls starting in 2002.
According to the police report, Josh fondled the genitals and breasts of the girls, some of whom were sleeping, but sometimes they were interacting with him ... in one case reading a book.
There was another reported incident 9 months later. According to the police report, the police were not immediately contacted. Instead, Jim Bob, the dad, met with church elders and agreed Josh should be put in a treatment program. The police report says Josh's mom, Michelle, said it wasn't really a treatment center ... they simply sent Josh to a guy who was remodeling a building to do manual labor.
In 2006, the family was scheduled to appear on "Oprah," and before the show someone sent an email to Harpo warning that Josh had molested girls. Harpo forwarded the email to a hotline, which triggered a police investigation.
Cops wanted to question Josh, but Jim Bob lawyered him up and Josh declined the invitation.
Josh, who is now 27, apparently cannot be charged because the statute of limitations has run.
As for the Duggars, one of the family members told investigators, "this entire incident had brought the family closer to God" ... this according the police report.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-sexually-molested-minor-girls-sisters-19-kids-and-counting-tlc/#ixzz3anqo2BCB

assholes tried to cover it up and endangered any kids this asshole anti-gay activist came in contact with.

I like how they sent him to a state trooper they knew for a stern talking to - and that state trooper is now doing 56 years in prison on child porn charges

oh how that "stern talk" must have gone

When Josh returned, the Duggars still did not contact authorities. Instead, they took him to Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens's home. He was a Duggar family friend. According to the report, Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a "very stern talk." In Touch reports that Hutchens is now serving 56 years in prison for child pornography.

Stern talking to: "Don't get caught"

really surprised this thread wasn't started by D@n P3rry

Show cancelled

xp: it was started by someone who went to my high school, is that close enough?

Show cancelled

just when things were gettin good!

still marvelin at the state trooper thing. "Let's send Josh over to Jim's house - he uh, seems like he's had some experience with this kind of thing"

InToich stripping meat from bone regarding the interview: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917

http://www.nbc12.com/story/29246186/there-she-goes-again-sarah-palin-says-youre-spitting-on-american-soldiers-graves-by-criticizing-the-duggars

I knew ILX would have a thread about this story, I just had no idea it would be titled "vaginas are not clown cars."

Not least because "clown car" implies accommodating numerous individuals simultaneously, not in succession.

At the circus, clown car arrives, clown gets out followed by another clown, then another, until an unfeasible amount of clowns have alighted from the vehicle.

There. Who says analysing comedy kills the humour?

But then the oldest clown starts molesting the younger ones.

Not least because "clown car" implies accommodating numerous individuals simultaneously, not in succession.

― ed.b, Saturday, June 6, 2015 10:48 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nobody said the duggars don't have vivid imaginations.

hey guys, good news! my friend from college who was kind of religious who then married a really religious dude and got into the whole "quiverfull" thing woke up and got divorced! it only took four or five kids, but then she apparently was like "whoa dude I am not having any more kids, i'm out of here"

Josh Duggar has been arrested for receiving and possessing child sexual abuse material. Haven't thought about these guys in a while.

I knew ILX would have a thread about this story, I just had no idea it would be titled "vaginas are not clown cars."

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, June 5, 2015 7:36 PM bookmarkflaglink

full-on belly laugh

Misread thread title as vaginas are not clown ears
And now I’m kinda done