DONAL LOGUE POLL

Steal This Movie (2000) .... Stew Albert
Reindeer Games (2000) .... Pug
The Tao of Steve (2000) .... Dex
Blade (1998) .... Quinn

i would be happy for zodiac or grounded for life to win

takedown is the kevin mitnick movie btw

working title was "hackers 2"

Skeet Ulrich ... Kevin Mitnick

Russell Wong ... Tsutomu Shimomura

Angela Featherstone ... Julia

Donal Logue ... Alex Lowe

Christopher McDonald ... Mitch Gibson

Master P ... Brad

Tom Berenger ... McCoy Rollins

Jeremy Sisto ... Lance 'Icebreaker' Petersen

Amanda Peet ... Karen

Ethan Suplee ... Dan Bradley
Dorit Sauer ... Shelley

tao of steve is the worst movie ever

But Hackers 2/Mitnick/Takedown is the BEST movie ever.

I had totally forgotten he was the MTV cab driver guy!

I am tempted to vote for Grounded for Life just based on him + Kevin Corrigan being a wonderful combination

really? donal logue?

gotta be knuckle up

Grounded For Life 4 life

little women be little WINNIN.

I spent the better part of a year of post-college unemployment watching every episode ever made of Boy Meets World, Grounded For Life and 8 Simple Rules.

I liked that Steal from Mick Jagger show.

tao of steve is the worst movie ever

one of them.

def jimmy the cab driver wins

grounded for life is the shit

reindeer games is underrated

richard riehle, vv good in grounded for life

one of the only sitcoms with an appealingly hot wife imo

reindeer games bloooows.

you liked superman returns

s1ocki has two points in his favour

you liked reindeer games!

please tell me you've been saving that one up tho hahaha!

my super-shame.

reindeer games >>>> superman returns

don't like reindeer games much, actually

what's wrong with Tao of Steve?

reindeer games was funny

i avoid tao of steve like the plaque

plaque? plague

it is bad.

should be an option for his VH1 work

couldn't get past the trailer for tao of steve.

do all the ronin dickriders from a couple weeks ago hate reindeer games for being a step down or do they not know its a frankenheimer joint

The whole unraveling-through-flashback structure of Grounded for Life got grating, though. That is not a device you can use for every single episode of something. You can't structure a whole sitcom out of that.

no i knew that! just never seen it, cos the rvws were uniformly bad at the time. also: affleck

xp

benjamin hussein affleck

Matt Damon: Just take it from "It's a good course."
Ben Affleck: Oh, now you're the director.
Matt Damon: Hey shove it, Bounce-boy. Let's remember who talked who into doing this shit in the first place. Talking me into Dogma was one thing, but this...
Ben Affleck: Hey look, I'm sorry I dragged you away from whatever-gay-serial-killers-who-ride-horses-and-like-to-play-golf-touchy-feely-picture you're supposed to be doing this week.
Matt Damon: I take it you haven't seen Forces of Nature?
Ben Affleck: You're like a child. What've I been telling you? You gotta do the safe picture. Then you can do the art picture. But then sometimes you gotta do the payback picture because your friend says you owe him. And sometimes, you have to go back to the well.
Matt Damon: And sometimes, you do Reindeer Games.
Ben Affleck: See, that's just mean.

The whole unraveling-through-flashback structure of Grounded for Life got grating, though. That is not a device you can use for every single episode of something. You can't structure a whole sitcom out of that.

What about How I Met Your Mother?

Reindeer Games was lacking in the car chase department

'you're like a child' << funny in all contexts, spoken by anyone

i knew reindeer games was a frankenheimer joint. didnt really affect my opinion of it either way. besides being kinda let down i guess

i didnt think it was the g.o.a.t. or anything but catching it on british tv at like 2am i ended up getting into it

Reindeer Games (known as Deception in the UK) is a 2000 movie, directed by John Frankenheimer and starring Ben Affleck, Gary Sinise, and Charlize Theron. It was Frankenheimer's final film. This was shot in Vancouver and Prince George, British Columbia, Canada. The Native American characters who are an Old Governor and a Bartender (Gordon Tootoosis with his North of 60 co-star Jimmy Herman) do not talk in this live-action film.

is that what you liked about it?

yeah slutsky i hate movies where indian dudes are allowed to speak

I feel that way about new SVU episodes, actually

If I ever hear that guy say "well, the Mohawk believe" one more time...

just live-action movies.

There was talk about Donal Logue playing John Mark Byers in a West Memphis Three dramatization, but then the flick was never produced. Now, THAT would have been mainy!

What was that "comedians riff on the day's news" show that used to be on after Jon Stewart? I seem to remember him playing the village dumbass on that a lot.

Tough Crowd! oh Colin Quinn, your career has been even more quixotic than Donal Logue's.

How about a poll about boneheads who can't be bothered to list everything in the poll choices.

No "Knights Of Prosperity" - no cred

ethan would definitely win that poll.

do all the ronin dickriders from a couple weeks ago hate reindeer games for being a step down or do they not know its a frankenheimer joint

-- and what, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

reindeer games is alright but its not even half as good as ronin--it does have more tits tho

tough crowd was terrible.

"the tao of steve," working title "lebowski ii: the dude abides." i like donal logue, he's shaggy. you take your stoner heroes where you get them.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

when Zodiac came out I was puzzled by his being described as one of a phalanx of "familiar character actors" in the cast, but now I realize he's familiar to folx from MTV promos and shitty sitcoms.

Donal Logue is a hard-working actor who has been in a wide range of things. He is also a mensch and very funny, especially after a few beers.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

wait slocki liked superman returns?

on the lighter side, I'm curious if the words "Chance Geer" are actually said in Disclosure.

unless its a Gunter Janek role, before he found his niche.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Grounded For Life?

it's a good show

Not really.

Terriers is a great show - probably the closest thing TV has had to a true inheritor to The Rockford Files. Too bad FX is doing little-to-no promo for it, but it's worth your time to download.

he was originally cast to play toby in american splendor.

I am also enjoying Terriers.

man the end of tonight's episode, saddest eyes EVER, seriously

Already out of "favorite new show" list and into "new favorite show" one

Scene with Katie's professor in the ambulance was LIKE WOAH

Previews for next week look interesting. More on Gretchen's soon-to-be new husband, which appears to indicate he's a shady son of a bitch.

ALSO I just realized why/how I recognize him: he was "Joe" in Say Anything. "Joe lies...when he cries!"

terriers = bout it bout it

Watching episode six right now... kind of a minor scene, but I still laughed laughed laughed after the beauty shop when Hank rinsed his hair out at the gas station and then blow-dried his hair with an air hose.

There's so much good stuff coming your direction.

CANNOT WAIT to see the season (show?) finale

Also like that the season arc revolves around urban planning.

That last episode was just too fucking good, it placed it above Justified as my 2nd-fave hourlong of the year (below Breaking Bad).

donal's interview on Nerdist:

http://www.nerdist.com/2010/11/nerdist-podcast-44-donal-logue/

Complete version of the title song. Pretty catchy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD8Kh7Pmzho

it's on iTunes now, btw.

"I figure our life expectancy is between that of a fly and a fly with a heart condition"

"Holy shit. We've got to stop splitting up."

Heck of an finale. Even if it doesn't get renewed.

A little too tidy for my liking, but with a few more wrinkles than the average show would have bothered with. I like the interpretation of the final scene as a nod to the uncertainty of the show's future existence.

"Holy shit. We've got to stop splitting up."

This is far and away one of the greatest shows on TV -- it's not quite Breaking Bad but that show is just so good I can't believe it exists -- and I would say some of the moments on this show rank maybe even higher than that show! The part where Hank gets news about Gretchen's life from Gretchen (vagueness = non-spoilers?) about the 3ish or 4ish episode? The level to which he perfectly plays/underplays? his emotional response there was INNNNNCREDIBLE. Also when Britt has a similar convo with... is her name Katie? Jesus these two dudes can act.

I don't want this show to get cancelled but IF IT DOES please AMC make them major characters next season on Braking Bad because I might explode.

And that's it...

Being pretty sure a heartbreak is headed your way doesn't make it any easier to bear when it happens.

'Terriers' has been canceled by FX, the network announced this morning. It's not surprising but it's immensely sad nonetheless.

I'm actually not as sad as I thought I'd be, which speaks toward how well they wrapped up the season. I feel like I caught it from the beginning as something that was already in progress, and I feel it ends the same way. I just got to peek in for 13 hours.

MAJOR SPOILERS for anyone who didn't finish the season yet, but here's a (very sweet) statement from one of the showrunners about what would have happened at the beginning of a second season:

again, S P O I L E R S!

"I will only share this: that if you don't know which way that truck turns or doesn't turn at the end, you don't know Britt. He goes straight. The one thing, if there's anything to tie up from season one, is that in the first episode of season two, Katie would've come to Britt in prison with the paternity results, still unopened, and said, "If you really don't want to know, then you tear it up." The last scene of episode one was Britt taking that letter into the prison yard and opening it, and in a wide shot, we see him sort of punch the air in triumph. He's the dad."

See? That sounds totally hokey in print, but it probably would've actually made me love life if I saw it acted out by these people.

Yeah I can totally picture that as a great moment. Makes the cancellation go down a bit smoother, actually.

Yeah I can totally picture that as a great moment. Makes the cancellation go down a bit smoother, actually.

Same here. At the very least I'm glad that all the episodes aired.

boooo i could see terriers going for many seasons and never flagging in quality...i am so in love with all the characters and the acting

Terriers was a proper fantastic little show. All it needed was to be set in Florida and some fishing and it could have been Carl Hiaasen on TV.

I am totally a year too late, but I've gotten to ep 7 of Terriers, and I love this thing so much. As a former resident of San Diego I enjoy the shots of OB and jokes about El Centro, as well as how incredibly moving Logue is in moments and how amazingly watchable and charismatic Michael Raymond-James is. Stoked that I have 6 more episodes to enjoy, sad that that's it.

it bums me out so much that this hasn't gotten (and presumably will never get) a DVD release. it's on 'amazon instant video,' which is nice, but i wish i didn't have to pay 2 bucks an episode to watch it on my little computer screen.

The showrunner wrote somewhere that the best way to make sure it gets a DVD release is to "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available" on Amazon.

I got perpetually assaulted by Donal Logue fans on twitter for saying Jimmy the Cab Driver was his best role. Eventually the man himself came in and agreed with me.

VINDICATION

He was cool enough with me to exchange some myspace messages back in de day.

Man Donal Logue is just tremendous in this

(Terriers, I mean)

Man Donal Logue is just tremendous in this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29RnY0H7cj4

(a Theory Of A Deadman video, I mean)

The tats are real!!

Holy shit Terriers is good, and then in ep 4 it turns great

I totally forgot about those MTV shorts & never realized that was him - those were great!

still, Terriers.

Man, when I remember how I felt each week waiting for a new episode of Terriers, and how I don't even feel that way about shows I like now (NBC Thursdays, other various things) it makes me realize I should just give up tv altogether.

(I'll change my tune when Mad Men comes back, probably...and I really should catch up on Breaking Bad...but yeah, Terriers was the best tv show of the last decade or more imo)

Terriers on Netflix streaming starting Dec 1.

!!!

Ooh! That kind of exposure could help with the dvd push!

Terriers scratches a different itch than Breaking Bad does. There are some very clever twists and eureka moments and from time to time some heavy shit even goes down (emotionally and plot-wise) but it's never less than fun and loopy and doesn't make you just feel like a burnt-out husk like BB does

Which is all just a way of saying they're both great

please let's not compare those 2 shows because i'll just go on a challops BB-dissing rampage

I've only seen the first four episodes of the first year of BB, so when I said I have to catch up, I really mean I need to start from scratch and go all the way.

Never knew that was his name--I guess I just thought of him as Steve. Like him a lot in Zodiac.

i've been going through Terriers creator Ted Griffin's screenwriting credits over the past year -- already knew and liked Ocean's 11 and Matchstick Men but Best Laid Plans and Ravenous were fun to discover. Killers didn't seem to benefit much from his script doctoring, don't imagine his fingerprints will be very identifiable on The Tower Heist. haven't brought myself to watching Rumor Has It yet, though.

the one-liners in Terriers are just incredible, there's like 5 per episode that i'm like "oh man, i'm gonna remember that" and i never remember ;_;

Ooh, I thought this was a Dónal Lunny poll and I got all excited...

Sorry to disappoint!

I finally finished Terriers a few days ago, after trying to spread out the final episodes as much as possible, knowing that would be it forever and trying to prepare myself, emotionally. Thinking about what made the show so good and what it resonated so much with me, I realized it had a few things in common with the two other recent shows I love (Friday Night Lights and Parks & Recreation): it knows and loves its characters, and it has a sense of place (maybe my favorite one-liner out of all the great one-liners was Councilman Albrecht's "This is our town, and we like it the way it is: Lousy!" which is funny by itself, but even better if you've been to Ocean Beach). I enjoyed how the last episodes seemed to be building the world further even as it necessarily had to wrap up the arc, and really liked the addition of Allison Elliott.

Mainly I miss watching Donal Logue and Michael Raymond-James banter. I would watch hours upon hours of that every day for the rest of my life.

started terriers. logue is amazing!

:D

if you think that's good it really starts to become something special around ep 3 or 4 iirc

yeah it just gets better + better

You'll be sad like the rest of us when it's all over! Welcome to the club!

You'll be sad like the rest of us when it's all over! Welcome to the club!

But it is a fantastic ending.

this stupid show keeps making me cry

guys someone please talk to me about this show i am bereft.

ha, was going to search for a logue thread today, and here it is! been watching terriers on netflix instant, and uhh it is great! really well written, intricate plotting w/o being convoluted, great acting, and as noted above, a really good sense of San Diego as a location. maybe the best representation of that city/area i've ever seen ...

hurry up and finish it and then we can DISCUS

here is where i admit that donal logue has always vaguely annoyed me and where i also admit that i was completely wrong

ha, yeah, i mean, i couldn't stand grounded for life.
my wife informed me last night that he is a harvard grad.
i think we're about halfway through w/ terriers -- only 12 eps right?
even though it is too bad it was canceled, sometimes i think tv shows *should* just be one season.

Michael Raymond-James is p amazing too, imo.

watched all of terriers in the last 3 days. feeling really portlandia abt "ONE MOORE EPISODE."

I am watching this show! and I keep thinking about how much I like Donal Logue and I can't tell you how many times I've thought, "I bet horseshoe likes him. I should post about it somewhere so I can find out whether this is true." And so this makes me happy:

started terriers. logue is amazing!

― horseshoe, Monday, January 16, 2012 5:14 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Anyway, I'm on like episode six, I think. It's not the kind of think that I would normally like (I generally prefer gritty realism or full on detachment from reality) but I'm really enjoying it. Probably because of Donal Logue and Michael Raymond-James.

terriers is probably the best show i've seen in a while! i really liked almost everything about it...

jenny, the show is going to get even better; just wait!

just 'rescreened' 'life', the cancelled zen cop show with damian lewis and sarah shahi, with logue taking over as the captain for the second season. it's a pretty goofy role but he brings something to it. i imagine they probably adapted the role to him.

Now I'm in the club. Watched it over the course of about 4 evenings and loved every second. Fantastic. Everything about it really. To keep from being bummed about the cancellation, I've decided to think of it as a really long movie that took several sittings to get through. It helps.

Surely the 3 nerds they call in for occasional assistance is a direct nod to X-Files' Lone Gunmen.

Man NOBODY watched this thing, apparently. 1.6 million viewers for pilot then barely cracked .5 for any of the rest. Bummer.

Yeah, it was a struggle each week to see the ratings fall as the show got better and better.

Can I just...? This song is so fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD8Kh7Pmzho

The whole unraveling-through-flashback structure of Grounded for Life got grating, though. That is not a device you can use for every single episode of something. You can't structure a whole sitcom out of that.

― nabisco, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:27 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

this is otm, i mean How I Met Your Mother kinda manages to do that with voiceover and other framing devices but GFL always did it so clumsily that half the time you'd forget that was how the show worked and be really confused

Surely the 3 nerds they call in for occasional assistance is a direct nod to X-Files' Lone Gunmen.

― andrew m., Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:50 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes! this made me happy.

This song is so fun!
my wife and i both imagined Michael Raymond-James singing this...

I liked terries and i really like d logue but felt like it was k tonally incoherent flipping between breezy procedural and srs irl vibes every other scene, seemed like they were trying to do too much, maybe of they had ditched some of the more formal episodic aspects or stuck more closely to them idk, shouldve given them another season to work it out tho

that's what's so great about the show!

i wouldn't call it incoherent, though; just, like, stealthily devastating.

rip Terriers :(

I don't know if I've mentioned it on ilx but I watched Tao of Steve -- which wasn't all that great -- at a friend's place and it turns out most of the people there were friends-of-friends from some Christian group and one of the dudes actually tried to start a "OK, obviously that lifestyle doesn't really apply to us that well, but I think we can get a lot of lessons out of what the movie says about relationships" conversation like it was a goddamn Bible study group.

sooooo awkward

i think the way the show navigated some seemingly incompatible tones was one of its greatest strengths, personally

felt like it ended up in the middle ground a lil too much, like it couldnt descide if it loved being a procedural or was trying to subvert it or w/e

nothing wrong with that, imo

I guess more specifically I feel like it was the extreme tonal shifts relationship to the procedural framework that I found a bit trying

it felt neither overly procedural nor like it was making a show of subverting that formula imo, to each his own iguess

no value judgement but itd prob still be on if they had gone like 30% more upscale amc/hbo w/it

i don't think that's a necessary decision! i love shows that are genuinely invested in genre conventions and are also...i don't know emotionally deep, or whatever? what a dumb way of putting it, but you get what i mean. it ended up making me feel like terriers was a unique show.

xxp

this show was way better than amc shows

its def p unique, just couldve been a lil more focused I guess

i kinda feel like this show is a noble failure that couldn't have been made more accessible or attention-grabbing without changing or losing the essence of the show. i mean the nonsensical title, the misleading commercials, the lack of 'stars,' were all part of its charm. i can't really imagine a scenario in which the show could've taken off and gotten a second season, barring the critical support happening faster and on a larger scale.

i mean for months i'd see these quick ads during Justified or whatever of DL and MR-J sitting around outside and a terrier walks by and they make some kind of nonchalant comment. i seriously didn't know if the show was about dogwalkers or something until like a week before the premiere.

but that was mostly the problem to me, the title and the marketing. as an fx addict, i can say that if i had caught one of the episodes of terriers as it actually aired, i would have been hooked.

ha opening scene makes u think its abt dog walkers too

Yeah, the complete mishandling of the promo campaign still riles me. At the same time, I'm kind of glad there are only 13 perfect episodes to hold on to, so I can go back and submerge myself in it and enjoy it wholly without worrying about it getting spoiled.

i guess what i'm saying is that it's not just that it was mishandled by the network or their marketing dept. or whatever, the show as it was was simply not marketable, it would've needed a different title or a more explicit 'angle' somewhere approaching the clear and immediate appeal of a Sons of Anarchy or Justified. although i think the best thing they could've done is take one or two of the great dialogue-driven scenes that would work in isolation and just run that as a 60-second ad, i think it would've hooked the kind of people who enjoy the show.

okay i got you. this is definitely a problem with shows sometimes. i remember how dumb i used to feel explaining the premise of buffy or veronica mars to people, trying to get them to watch them. some shows are really not served by a capsule description.

justified and terriers are and interesting comparison as far as how they work with convention

i was thinking about justified; it seems like you had a similar criticism of its relationship with genre.

actuaally i'm not even sure how they got the network to accept the pitch for this show, other than if they wrote the pilot script on spec and FX just read it and said "this is great, we'll make it work"

even VMars and especially Buffy are pretty easily summarized in a single snappy sentence! however misleading that sentence may be

terriers has a much more straightforward investment in character depth and emotion than justified, though.

xp i know they're kind of a different thing, they just sound so dumb when you summarize them.

i found Justified offputting at first because of how much it relied on its relationship with genre conventions -- i mean never has a show hinged more on the existence of A HAT -- but it's gotten very good and very creative since then

vmars is kind of like terriers, though, where the p.i. thing is a convention and kind of misleading at the same time.

i was thinking about justified; it seems like you had a similar criticism of its relationship with genre.

― horseshoe, Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:38 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did i? tbh w/terriers i cant even decide if its annoying me as in its working or as in its failing which maybe means its working idk

yeah but just the fact that it was a cute teen girl detective was enough of a hook, compared to a couple of rough-around-the-edges adult males looking the part of their profession (xpost)

i feel like both shows use p.i. and noir conventions to explore class

xp yes, i have an encyclopedic recall of all ilx tv threads, sadly. it wasn't an i hate this show criticism; it was more like it's kind of annoying how this show is so meta.

i think i've said this before but the 'seedy underbelly of a sunny coastal town' aspect of Terriers was probably the closest thing it had to a strong thematic hook (and in that way it reminded me a bit of the Delaware boardwalk areas i grew up around) but they didn't play that up enough either

ha ok i believe you, i think ive moved past that now, and tbf im not the biggest fan of procedurals tho justified did to some extent make me ponder and appreciated what theyre all abt more xp

procedural conventions are like the formal constraints on sonnets!

probably not

i love genre, though

i loved the 'seedy underbelly of a sunny coastal town' aspect and also the 'brilliant loser detectives' and if the show had been particularly catering to me it wouldve been more of that and more serialized and less episodic and more judicious application of emo and prob leave out some of the blatant low rent tv tropes like the nerds

procedural conventions are like the formal constraints on sonnets!

― horseshoe, Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:47 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is fair!

haha what i really loved about the show was the regularity with which it made me cry. and the seedy underbelly of a sunny coastal town part, too.

the emo i thought was well done and def central to how the whole thing worked, just maybe it wouldve had more impact if there was a lil more idk rhythm to it

im not sure why im trying to create some other show here

if you successfully pitch Pugs to FX i think it'll go over well here

(some dude, we must have had this conversation before but where did you grow up? I'm from Rehoboth.)

I still haven't finished Terriers bc I'm hoping Jeff will watch it and we can see the second half together. We did start watching Justified and I'm surprised at how much I like it.

yeah, i lived in Rehoboth for about 10 years -- i've had convos w/ one or two people on ilx who've also lived there before but i dunno if it was you under a different display name or something

whoever made the VMars connection upthread - I've always thought of Terriers as being part of the same universe.

huh really? both set in the san diego area, but Vmars seems wayyyyy more cartoony than Terriers.

are there any other examples of SoCal noir out there? (xpost)

Veronica Mars was a bit light and quippy but i mean a lot of the main plot threads still revolved around rape and murder

yeah I've always made the V Mars/Terriers connection as well; probably my two favorite non-animated TV shows tbh

lol @ me

I feel like V Mars does rely on melodrama plot twists sometimes--Duncan & V are brother-sister, coma Meg is pregnant--but I feel there are def tonal affinities and a sophistication present in both that kind of couple them together in my mind

man, this fuckin show.

started watching terriers -- co-signing all the vmars vibes, am def digging it

Shaun Ryan said on Twitter yesterday he's thinking of starting a Kickstarter for a Terriers movie since the cast is all (for now) pretty much available.

TAKE MY MONEY

finished this & already miss it.

that post upthread abt the planned opening scene of a next season is interesting. yeah, hank is just fuckin w/ britt @ the end there but it does work imo

i like a lot of the non-hollywood looking actors that they used -- ie the investigative reporter lady & huh 'steph' is logues irl sister

hank's plan:

1. cheat

Rewatched Terriers recently, still love it

skeet ulrich was the drummer in gay dad

i love that they have millennial lone gunmen

Since this is sort of the default Terriers thread...

I'm watching it for the second time lately. I'm starting to think my favorite thing about it is that the characters' relationships outside the private-detective world actually exist outside the conventions of a private-detective show. They're not like crime-drama ex-wives and girlfriends, most of the time. They have a whole independent real-world context around them.

So most shows would use Hank's relationship with his ex-wife to have him act outwardly dramatic, brooding and fuming and fighting in crime-drama terms. But in this show he has to act like an actual modern human who's spent time in A.A., always trying to be decent in the same ordinary, real-world ways viewers have to be. It's a small thing, but watching your crusty private-detective protagonist sit with his ex-wife and say, e.g., "you're right, that was invasive, and I apologize" -- that feels so incredibly fresh to me! Most of the really moving Hank scenes involve his having to swallow emotions and do the right, appropriate thing, which (to me) turns out way more dramatic than the billion shows about guys who will never do that, or are so glorified by the plot that they're never even asked to.

(It's also the best possible use of Logue's face, which is why it's so terrific that his actual sister plays his sister -- they both have faces that seem sorta weathered and sad but fundamentally kind.)

And then Britt and Katie's relationship is framed in such a way that Katie is actually the protagonist. And even in crime-drama world, Britt and Hank process things between the two of them in those same real-world modern-human terms (like when Britt's upset about Katie and Hank offers the whole "patronizing" reassurance about their being equal partners) ...

I dunno. This show was good at a lot of things, but I think it was best at handling those relationships, and I can't help imagining that if it had gone for two or three seasons, it could have built such amazing long-term arcs out of them. I mean, look at how quickly it turned Katie into a really fascinating, central character. It did some really great women in general.

On my second viewing I was surprised by the strength of the casual wordplay in the dialogue. Hank is written as a clever guy, although never to the extent that his character falls into stereotypes of the bright alcoholic. The whole cast is that way, to an extent -- there's not any real repetition between characters and even the antagonists seem to have unique characteristics without resorting to shortcuts or cliches.

I've been putting off rewatching the show again because it didn't want to be sad a second time when it ended. Maybe that won't be the case, though, since I already know what happens.

Most of the really moving Hank scenes involve his having to swallow emotions and do the right, appropriate thing, which (to me) turns out way more dramatic than the billion shows about guys who will never do that, or are so glorified by the plot that they're never even asked to.

this was actually the norm for characters on nypd blue - i suspect the involvement of (non-heroicized) alcoholism made the writers a lot more sensitive to police/pi work as a minefield of vulnerability and emotion management

apparently DL's character that was very briefly in the last season of Sons of Anarchy is going to have a much bigger role in the new season XD

http://www.topiama.com/r/1583/iama-donal-logue-from-terriers-grounded-for-life

I had no idea Logue worked as a trucker in between acting gigs!

Terriers fans: Logue and Michael Raymond-James go trucking http://vimeo.com/19780775

i recently rewatched all of terriers and it still rules, if you were wondering.

karina logue has an amazing face.

ha i used to know KL way back when, she's pretty rad. we weren't super close or anything, i haven't seen her in like eight years, but it's always good to see her pop up in things (zodiac, justified, argo.)

on the lighter side, I'm curious if the words "Chance Geer" are actually said in Disclosure.
― da croupier, Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:41 AM (7 years ago)

Watching this for the way-too-many-th time. Doesn't seem so.

Logue's role on Sons of Anarchy was about the time I said "ok this show is too ridiculous even for me" and peaced out.

not that he didn't do the best he could with the stupid role but his character literally was only a stupid plot device with an all too convenient fatal flaw.

He's really good in Copper -- is that coming back?

No, the show wasn't good enough to get renewed, iirc

http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/1018591-fx-teases-potential-revival-terriers

"Teases" is a little strong, but Landgraf actually did say "I’m not saying we’ll never do a reboot because I guess we will at one point.”

I actually have the theme song on my phone and listen to it fairly regularly, not sure how crazy that makes me

Missed Terriers when it aired originally, it was the first binge show of the covid era i indulged in when it showed up on hulu, now *rescreening* it 2.5 years later and just loving everything about it again

YES

I have to admit I found Logue serially irritating until I fell for him in Terriers. Is he is in anything else that's actually good?

Mostly I was put off by the cloying trailer for Tao of Steve, rather than any actual performance

Great cameo in "What We Do in the Shadows."

Kind of kills me that Donal Logue's steadiest-paying gigs are on B- to D-tier tv series as a tertiary character. I guess all of his movie character actor roles are kind of samey, though?