West Coast vs East Coast

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"Ain't no party like a west coast party cause a west coast party don't stop." -- Coolio

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Hull vs Blackpool?

Largs vs Prestonpans

Morecombe Boys, we are 'ere wooah wooah

Minehead vs Southend

Chips 'n' Cheese vs Salt 'n' Sauce

str8 left coastin' 4 lie niggaz

IF I GOT TO CHOOSE A COAST I GOT TO CHOOSE THE EAST
I LIVE OUT THERE SO DONT GO THERE
BUT THAT DONT MEAN A N*GGA CANT REST IN THE WEST
SEE SOME NICE BREASTS IN THE WEST
SMOKE SOME NICE CESS IN THE WEST

My god, I have never been east of the Mississip nor to western California. The California seems like hell. New England seems so self-important and I do not think I'd be happy there. Seriously most of the nation is not coasts.

Yours in flyover country,

Abbott

south, or midwest.

NO COAST 2008

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Watford vs Romford

i am way too pasty and cynical for the west coast

i would consider the pacific northwest for a year, but i think everyone is still too cheerful and posi.

People used to say things like that about New England when I lived in the flyover zone, things like "those people were so unfriendly in Upstate New York, it's just a whole different mindset..." blah blah and so on, and now I go home and try to run errands and I'm like WELL THANK GOD, DO I HAVE ALL DAY TO STAND AROUND CHATTING AT THE GENERAL STORE? NO I DO NOT, GIVE ME MY GROCERIES.

But srsly, East Coast for lighthouses and clambakes and maritime traditions of all kinds.

yeah man i love the west coast and im glad ive spent time here but nothing beats the east

this is hard!

perhaps Mr Que prefers the coast of Nebraska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_admiral

west coast is way better-looking, but I'd rather have a conversation with the east

I would mos defs like to visit (or live if I liked the vist/it was affordable); I am just scared of people who think they are experts on things. Those people are all over, though, but esp on the coasts it seems! Maybe because there are actually things happening.

CLAMBAKE sounds like the funnest thing in the world!

South is the coolest tho, I think.

people ask me this question a lot. but i never have a good answer. cuz i like both places for totally different reasons

there's no coast of nebraska

(oceanic coast)

the south is awesome in theory to me but i grew up in the northiest eastiest part of the country and do not thrive in hot weather.

Taco stand VS. Pizza place

South = best food

http://www.oceansofkansas.com/

Well apparently people in West Michigan think they are experts about people in Upstate New York, for instance...then again West Michigan is a coast too! Maybe yr onto something, Abbs.

My god, I have never been east of the Mississip nor to western California.

you really gotta do this

New York City is too hot compared to New England ;_;

especially at night. no really.

I grew up having the vague impression that North Easterners were terse, cold, and unfriendly to outsiders yea even to the seventh generation or some shit like that. That might be true from a certain perspective but that is a) just a perspective, and b) let's be serious: I could never live in the South or anywhere else people talk that slowly.

I want to go to the Smithsonian for my honeymoon.

i complain about the cold in nyc sometimes, but it's only because you are supposed to look nice and put together all the time and it isn't socially acceptable to wear snowpants and long underwears. whereas in maine we are very good at layering and bundling up to face the negative 20 degree weather and not whine about it.

You should talk to Dan M, he's a Yooper and they are like that there, too.

I grew up having the vague impression that North Easterners were terse, cold, and unfriendly to outsiders yea even to the seventh generation or some shit like that. That might be true from a certain perspective but that is a) just a perspective, and b) let's be serious: I could never live in the South or anywhere else people talk that slowly.

-- Laurel, Friday, January 25, 2008 11:53 AM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

I grew up in a "summer town" so being unfriendly to NYCers was something I learned at young age.

Also, Southern people are generally just outright nasty to you as opposed to "cold". My folks were on a roadtrip in college in the deep South and had a breakdown or something that necessitated a trip to a service station. They get to some shithole gas station with a bunch of rednecks out in front and the attendant goes "Well.... I see you're all from MassaDAMNchusetts...."

(Then they were nice)

i complain about the cold in nyc sometimes, but it's only because you are supposed to look nice and put together all the time and it isn't socially acceptable to wear snowpants and long underwears. whereas in maine we are very good at layering and bundling up to face the negative 20 degree weather and not whine about it.

-- bell_labs, Friday, January 25, 2008 11:53 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol you work at a real office

laurel...a... yooper?

Upstate New York = the midwest, only crystal methier. Thoswe nutty flyovers don't even know New York isn't in New England.

Bell! He's from the upper peninsula of Michigan, the "U.P.". They know from cold up there.

"Steamed hams is strictly an Albany term."

this is weird b/c this morning i was thinking that my new goal which wld somehow make all the other goals happen in some kind of weird but feasible logic is to be able to begin every day by swimming in the ocean

but i don't know what ocean

xp Ha ha, they were talking about Rochester specifically, I guess, since the person in question was at Eastman.

Upstate New York = the midwest, only crystal methier. Thoswe nutty flyovers don't even know New York isn't in New England.

-- burt_stanton, Friday, January 25, 2008 11:59 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I've had people:

1) Think Rhode Island is long island
2) not realize it's a state

Europeans always know what it is

Rrobyn, move to Panama dog

i would put aside all my east coast pride to move to hawaii. find me a job gr808080

Upstate New York = the midwest, only crystal methier

there are no crystal meth labs blowin' up in buffalo yet. they're still into huffin' gasoline out of beer cans.

lake superior coast

West Coast forever. The sun must always go down into the ocean, not rise up from it.

wow

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Cali tweekin like crazy

go missouri!!!!!!

whoops i mean go california, you crazy state you

Yr right, Ned, I do love lakeside sunsets, I'm on the wrong coast for that now. Michigan will do just fine, though.

the lower the number on the map, the less boring the state?

Nothing compares to the sun illuminating the chemicals and zebra mussels of Lake Erie, tho.

Well you might want to take population into account, you walking abortion! xpost

New Jersey isn't even on that map; of course you can just drive into one of the local immigrant shithole cities and come out with hash, heroin, and windex-flavored w33d y0 _\|/_ blu3 HyDr0

lol, xp

I fear if I spend too long on the west coast, I will either burn or rust

two neil young options

tell me about windex-flavored w33d y0 _\|/_ blu3 HyDr0

new york, new york

blu3 hydr0 gets u fucked up and cleans up your shit incase the 5-0 or pathmark tries to test you

hahaha

philblunt420 (5 days ago)
ny was soft for a while after snoop crushed the buildings

WEST IS THE BEST

I'm a West Coaster for now, but I gotta rep for the East.

i actually have never been on the east coast except for NYC for 4 days but there are ton of east coasters who have relocated to denver that work in my office and they all come off as really cold and unfriendly and they talk way too much about how they are from "back east"

so thats why i vote for west coast because i like friendly shallow people like myself

when people say people from the east coast are "unfriendly", what are they looking for - back rubs or something?

when people say people from the east coast are "unfriendly", what are they looking for - back rubs or something?

Seriously. Its not like they're lining up to be your best buddy out here in LA.

we're not unfriendly, we're just shy ;-;

WE HAVE RICH INNER LIVES N SHIT

we're all business. next!

like i will smile and say hello at people in the hallways and they dont even respond. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE EYE CONTACT, SAY HELLO, AND SMILE A TINY BIT.

haha that sounds like me

but then again I've heard some people say they think uber friendly people are creepsy so maybe they just think I'm a big ole creeper.

eye contact can get you killed and smiling is for morons :)

sounds like gabbneb has been in prison

he does have that stepford prison wife thing going there

Spencer Chow is the prototypical west coast dbag

oh, i'm contrary and make eye contact all the time, it's just generally recommended against

I have lived and travelled all over the US and it is scientifically proven that there is no finer place to live than San Francisco, CA.

on average, yeah, but isn't it worse than a lot of other places during the best months?

Worse, weatherwise? It never ever gets hot in SF. Coldest it gets is low 40s.

Rains a lot in the winter, but that's the west coast for ya.

yeah, weatherwise. don't the Summers kinda suck?

The summers suck if you like 95 degrees with tons of humidity. If, instead, you like 70-80 and moderate humidity with lots of sunshine, they rule.

In the West, douchebags are love. Ain't no hipster like a Wburg hipster.

The California seems like hell.

Pearl Harbor is there. So is Texas.

Texas is the worst! It's America's distended rectum.

I have lived and travelled all over the US and it is scientifically proven that there is no finer place to live than San Francisco, CA.

-- libcrypt, Friday, January 25, 2008 7:06 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

those SF streetfashion pics on the other thread say otherwise

The midwest farmers' daughters really make you feel all right
And the northern girls, with the way they kiss, they keep their boyfriends warm at night

Well east coast girls are hip, I really dig those styles they wear

vs.

The west coast has the sunshine and the girls all get so tanned

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seeing this kind of thing on a daily basis would seriously detract from my quality of life

I think this proves East Coast has better fashion (that and Sartorialist)

I do like the East Coast quite a bit but it has too many places like Boston and Virginia. The West Coast has an embarrassment of riches, I'm proud to live here.

What, no North Coast? Go Great Lakes!

To steal a joke from the Vice dos and don'ts, it looks like the new style is wearing everything at once. Everything. Everywhere. Whole solar systems will soon be tied around necks, hung from slouch bags, and worn without pants.

Wait, are you saying SF sucks because people don't dress well?

XP: Yes, there's lots of wackiness, but there's also lots of hipsterness in case you are worried about not seeing enough trucker hats.

A lot of times I will land in an East Coast airport and everything seems suddenly so heavy and wet and grey. If I wanted that, I'd go back to London!

Trucker hats? You are barking up the wrong brownstone, my friend.

Trucker hats? You are barking up the wrong brownstone, my friend.

joeks bruv

i'm saying SF sucks because people dress like WHIMSICAL RETARDS

I kinda like the wacky clothes stuff. There's more filthy gutter punk fashion in my nbd, unfortunately.

"LOOK AT ME I'M DRINKING BEER IN NORTH BEACH AND READING FERLINGHETTI"

haha

SF has been undergoing some serious gentrification for the past few decades, yes.

I think that bell labs is just an uptight east coaster and needs to mellow out with some kind SF bud.

Or stay in a yurt for a few days.

go back to burning man, hippies

If only!

There's a reason it's called burning man if you know what I mean wink wink nod nod.

We all wink and nod when we throw the peace signs in SF, by the way.

I like NYC but I love West Coast (been here half my life now). I had 3 opportunities to relocate to NYC and turned them down (2 at the last minute). An incredibly awesome city to visit, but almost everyone I know who transplants there gets that NYC-itis affliction. You know what I mean.

those people were so unfriendly in Upstate New York

?!
I seriously find people mind-blowingly outgoing and friendly here, coming from Ottawa/Mtl/Toronto.

molly OTM.

I want to vote west coast but the only time I spent there was a few days in Eugene, which has good wine and seafood. It's really fucking classic in my imagination though.

Well, I kind of imagine California to be its own surreal planet.

explain this itis

i will take the west coast over the east coast, for reasons including but not limited to the relative dearth of nj gotti hairstyles. nyc is alright. boston is sort of whatever. philly and dc can stfu. also l.a. is underrated and san francisco is my 2nd favorite city in the country. vv interested in seattle and portland, too.

i think it's highly possible that l.a. dbags are on par with nj/ny dbags though.

I guess he's saying he doesn't like New Yorkers except for possibly natives. xpost

omar little, I haven't seen an NJ gotti haircut since the last time I was in Penn Station.

East Coast for sure.

you know what really sucks is vegas

vegas has the worst of everything.

vegas is alright in very small doses one or two nights okay but any more then that and it's just shit

hmm i am going to vegas in march

if you're with the right people there are definitely good times to be had

This is an NJ Gotti haircut?:
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if flights are cheap enough i will have company, otherwise i will be stuck with software conference goers

He needs a bit of orange tan.

No that's a still from the upcoming DragonBallZ movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1098327/ xpost

i like vegas for about 48 hours, then it is grodey

and LA is vastly underrated

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and LA is vastly underrated

yessss

LA scares meeeee

The problem is that people judge LA by the bad parts, and there are a lot of good parts.

yes. Inside of an old movie theater. But once you get outside it's all downhill.

(I didn't even really know there was a name for that haircut, other than like "frat party.")

the aesthetic frightens me. all the plastic surgery and tanning and obsessing over hotness, i can't deal with it.

LA is very big. Not everyone there is a tan wannabe moviestar/pornstar.

x-post: Sorry about that. I'll work on letting myself go more.

L'OMG!

lots of sunshine

i am misinformed, then? because i understood it to be 1/2-froggy all summer. which makes perfect sense in the Evergreen state, but not the Golden one.

don't get me wrong, i have serious love and respect for many NYC transplants (and natives), it's just i have a feeling there's a reason why so many people leave NYC every year.

LA has a lot to recommend it, but for me, in the end, you end up spending so much time in a car and that just irks me. I love that I go for weeks in SF without ever driving my car.

because i understood it to be 1/2-froggy all summer.

No, at worst, there's a bit of fog in the morning that burns off by noon, and it's always comfy. That's if by froggy you mean foggy/hot/humid.

i think the plastic surgery/obsessing over hotness thing is the thing that gives LA a bad rep but i dont think its THAT overt.

Another reason to love Cali is the eastern part of the state, e.g., the Sierras, Yosemite, etc. Maybe some other western states might have an argument with Cali over natural beauties, but the east just has nothing to compare, at least that I've seen.

I am the California Tourism Board official ILX rep.

the east just has nothing to compare, at least that I've seen

no one disputes this. and yet lots of people to whom that sort of thing is important still choose to live in the East.

SF summers are hit or miss. They're never freezing but often in the mid-50s when there's a lot of fog, and some summers are warmer than others. In any case, if you really need to get out of the fog, a twenty minute drive in any direction (save west, of course) will land you in 85-95 degree, dry California heat. I do miss warm evenings here, though. They're somewhat rare.

I found LA more interesting than SF.

But the whole coast made me appreciate NY more.

I really like the SF weather though.

I have yet to see any overt evidence of obsessing over hotness and tanning, etc. It's more about writer's strike and gas prices and huaraches and contemporary art.

and...octopus tacos?

octo taco

tacos de pulpo!!

tacopus

Hmm, gabbnebb, that sounds less appetizing

fujiya whale

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The East Coast seems more 'American' to me. Lots of California is sui generis.

thank you kenan!

i thought that place was a clothing store?

that particular one is a mexican restaurant (!) in Las Vegas. I think it's also a lez bar in LA.

that is correct, Michael. I hope some day I will be able to split my time between the two: kind of a roving domestic ex-pat

that would be ideal. i'm down for that

"the reason that so many people leave new york" is that "so many people you know live there"

Yeah I was kind of thinking that too. V much a numbers thing.

it's impossible to get properly spicy food on the west coast. only southerners and easterners know how to hot that shit up correct

i think i know only one person who's left new york! besides people i went to college with here who didn't stick around.

that one person did move to CA though.

no way tombot

also I've seen more random public violence in san francisco than I ever have in any of the cities I've spent time in on the east

see remy that is such a west coast answer, you don't even realize

i saw a bumfight that went on for +/- 20 minutes by the Sony Metreon thing, and I wanted to intervene, but both combatants were about 250 lbs and stone drunk

even the asian ethnic cuisine on the west coast is somehow less mouthblaster than in the east. I'm dead serious. something about all that skirty weather all the time makes people forget how much fun it is to start sweating profusely from the seasonings in your food

yes we couldn't know, it's true

new hartford: reknowned for the habañero?

plus my usual rant about the aftertaste that california water consistently imparts to local microbrews

yes i remember that

we could all just agree that both coasts beat the missisippi delta

except for gumbo

fucking gumbo

Tom, that random public violence was all just for show. I told all the boys to front for you.

The East Coast seems more 'American' to me

I was going to say the opposite!

The West Coast seems more Central American to me

Next thing you'll hear is that Mexicans can't make a burrito and Japanese sushi sucks.

I'm not a big fan of spice, anyway, but I can find peppers, chiles, sriracha, harissa, chili oil, etc., pretty easily here and in ethnic restaurants.

we could all just agree that both coasts beat the missisippi delta

this is true, except in food and music.

gabbnebb, elucidate, plz

also general friendliness.

xp

less Europe, more frontier, more tied into the rest of the continent, more experimental, etc.

more wilderness/original growth

i know we've talked about this before, but fuck fuck and again fuck southern friendliness.

Says the man from Chicago

Er. If by "from" you mean "currently residing in".

I guess you mean 'American' in terms of history/founding, and I mean in terms of ideas/culture/land?

I dunno if I can imagine a dumber argument than which coast of the united states is the most American

i know we've talked about this before, but fuck fuck and again fuck southern friendliness.

-- kenan, Friday, January 25, 2008 9:52 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

what does this mean?

there isn't an East Coast of America
or a West Coast of America
but the United States of America

-- El Tomboto

That's interesting, gabbnebb, 'cause I see a strain of 'authentic' American culture that emanates from the original 13 colonies and is comparatively weak or exotic in CA, whereas the Spanish/Californio/Mexican culture here and the 'white' amalgam culture(s) here just seem like they owe less to the 'old' country.

a strain of 'authentic' American culture that emanates from the original 13 colonies

consisting of?

The east coast doesn't remind me of "Europe," it reminds me of freezing slush and football-worshipping WASPs. It just seems more conservative - even in the big metros - and I feel more comfortable in a less-Anglo yet still somehow "umerican" majority-minority locale, so in LA i'll stay. You've got to be down with the brown, ya heard

yeah, m white, i'm from texas.

what does this mean?

Southerners are not friendlier on the whole. Northerners are just fine in the friendly department, and if new yorkers are rude, well fuck you, they have important shit to do and you don't, tourist. Southerners are much more likely to be passive-aggressive, or to be nice one day and shoot your ass the next.

I dunno if I can imagine a dumber argument than which coast of the united states is the most American

Arguing which coast is better is only marginally smarter. De gustibus disputandum est and all that malarkey, but gabbnebb is absolutely right in saying that I'm looking at the rooted and far older culture of the East Coast more than at the redefined America caused by the conquering of the frontier.

Also, there are worse things in life to be obsessed about than "hotness," but the people who perpetuate such shallow stereotypes about Californians usually are shallow themselves, who get all their images of the place from the media. Guess what? Everyone here isn't living an episode of Baywatch. (Even if it might be interesting if we *were,* for ...oh, a week)

I suppose somebody who likes to make sweeping, meaningless abstractions could argue that California culture is closer to the dreamt-of great American gestalt while the east coast remains cursed by its ghettoized colonial heritage

Southern California wants to be Western New York.

consisting of?

I don't know exactly, that's the thing, but it ain't California and vic's post is weird to me 'cause I'm so white they gave me the name but I feel very much like a foreigner around lots of white folks from the East Coast.

Guess what? Everyone here isn't living an episode of Baywatch.

Oh.

Everyone here isn't living an episode of Baywatch

ha, I enjoy watching making-of documentaries from hollywood and how everyone is kind of a college-wardrobe schlub with 1.5 chins, as opposed to the stereotype of everybody trying to be super beautiful fashion all the time. no, that's just the principals and the wannabe principals. behind the lens they look just like us except they all get to wear jeans to work every day

I dunno if I can imagine a dumber argument than which coast of the united states is the most American

-- El Tomboto, Friday, January 25, 2008 3:56 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

encyclopedia of nixed colbert segment ideas

THE TOMBOT REPORT

Maybe, but I've had way more random bar conversations in the south, for example. Up here it feels like there's more of an "I don't know you, why are you talking to me?" vibe.

xp

Is the culture you're thinking about basically New England-oriented? Cause we don't see much of that down here.

I don't regard anywhere in America as European, but I think the metropolitan East is more oriented towards Europe (and the Caribbean) while the metropolitan West is more oriented towards Asia (and Central and South America), in both demographics and culture.

I don't know if I'd consider myself to feel at home anywhere in the world at this point, so feeling like a foreigner amongst other folks from either coast isn't really a significant thing to me

i am surrounded by uglies everywhere i go, believe you me! i live 3 blocks from hollywood & vine!!! (maybe that's it? haha)

See, Tom, your post might be a bit facile, but it's not strictly speaking 'meaningless'.

You and gabbnebb are both talking about American ideals or images of itself, which is, let's be honest, very American; not to define ourselves based solely on language, religion, local custom, etc. I remember the first time I went to England and the accent changed avery twenty miles or so and thinking how weird that was, but the East Coast due to its age, had far more regional accents and quaint customs that predate mass media. The East is the one area that can claim to have been American before the birth of the U.S.

Europe (and the Caribbean)

and Africa

the thing is, i more often feel like i'm living in/around a mexican slum or korean/taiwanese suburb, with awesome thai food. so i can never really leave this place, and dont feel connected to anything nationalistic anyway

is having a 70 hour work week around important powerful people as much of a point of pride out west as it is here? google employees excluded

lol at that guy trying to argue that californians aren't more tan than east coasters? wtf?

I don't know if I'd consider myself to feel at home anywhere in the world at this point, so feeling like a foreigner amongst other folks from either coast isn't really a significant thing to me

Man, do I hear you.

Also, kenan, I knew you were from Texas originally but I somehow forgotted it.

Can we all just hold hands and agree that everyone from Florida is a completely insufferable buttplug?

Alaska is the most "American" state I've ever been to.

The East is the one area that can claim to have been American before the birth of the U.S.

huh? this makes no sense unless by "birth of the US" you mean something weird like when the constitution was ratified.

how does that make no sense?

i guess what i should ask for here is a clarification of when the US was "born"

I mean of course he means 1776 and shit

wow, ilxors will argue about ANYTHING won't we.

yeah this is stupid. america is awesome.

RONG, xp

>is having a 70 hour work week around important powerful people as much of a point of pride out west as it is here? google employees excluded

is that as big a thing in DC as it is in NY? there's that old saying: new yorkers live to work, but californians work to live - but it's bullshit, since uh, parguay probably has a higher quality of life than large swaths of our sunny state at this point. aiming for a "balanced lifestye" is no longer unique here either, after what, the 1980's? i mean there are probably as many if not more hippies in Colorado now than here

of course, they're 95% all former californians =)

I am just bored, people. I am not arguing.

those girls upthread got me hot and bothered

there have been hippies in Colorado as long as there have been hippies

But of course I mean the Anglo Protestant establishment culture that dominated the first 13 States. When was America born? I don't have the certificate or anything but I think of it as when they decided to call themselves the US of America.

the Anglo Protestant establishment culture that dominated the first 13 States

maybe i'm missing it, but outside of small town New England, this culture seems to me to be sorta buried under immigration and enormous growth

>is having a 70 hour work week around important powerful people as much of a point of pride out west as it is here? google employees excluded

is that as big a thing in DC as it is in NY?

Are you kidding? DC is the king of that shit.

You know what I really liked about the Atlantic Coast? Those crazy beaches where you can walk out into the surf for what feels like miles. They suck for waves but the experience of having a foothold when you're that far from shore is weird but awesome.

maybe i'm missing it, but outside of small town New England, this culture seems to me to be sorta buried under immigration and enormous growth

Fair enough, but it still flavors the local culture to a great extent, doesn't it?

the Anglo Protestant establishment culture that dominated the first 13 States

maybe i'm missing it, but outside of small town New England, this culture seems to me to be sorta buried under immigration and enormous growth

haha no it's quite alive and well down here. You may have heard of these folks that run the country? It's called the government, many of them went to school in "small town New England"

that establishment feeling is exactly what i meant when i described the east as more "conservative." all power centers have to be

Can we all just hold hands and agree that everyone from Florida is a completely insufferable buttplug?

-- kenan, Friday, January 25, 2008 4:17 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^ban

Spencer Chow is the prototypical west coast dbag

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, January 25, 2008 10:38 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I'm really not, I swear.

there is certainly very little in America that is more "socially conservative" than the DC working world, in so many weird ways

The NW is pretty nice in a lot of ways - I'm reasonably close to HUGE mountains, crazy woods, the ocean, deserts, rain forests, snow, rain, sun, good beer, tons of wine, etc.

People seem to be less hung up on status, history, family, impressing other people, and all that kind of thing, though it almost swings the other way around and people stress about NOT being mellow enough. Or something. Fuck, I hung out in a goddamn yurt out in the woods the other night.

Been to DC & NY a couple times apiece but never lived on the east coast. I'd still take the Lake Superior coast over anything else, at least for five or six months out of the year. I'm done with winter though.

in most of the small towns in new england i was ever in (including the one where i grew up) there was next to no anglo protestant population. WASP street names were all that was left.

Tom, why would you exclude google and tech employees in the Valley? Also, there are people like that who work in film. I used to work 70+ hours a week when I worked in film.

Lake Superior coast FTW

I've had way more random bar conversations in the south, for example. Up here it feels like there's more of an "I don't know you, why are you talking to me?" vibe.

By this standard (and my perception might be skewed), I feel like every part of the US I've been to is friendlier than the big cities of Ontario and Quebec. I realize that not everyone shares this opinion. (I don't necessarily always think that friendliness is a good thing, mind.)

in most of the small towns in new england i was ever in (including the one where i grew up) there was next to no anglo protestant population. WASP street names were all that was left.

Who was there? Irish/Italian Catholics? I know squat about modern demographics of NE.

yeah, the West Coast people seem to not be seeing all the white ethnics on the East Coast. at the small town New England school I went to, the establishment wasps were a discrete and insular minority.

NORTH COAST Y'ALL

http://members.aol.com/ServantWRX/clev2.jpg

Spencer Chow is the prototypical west coast dbag

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, January 25, 2008 10:38 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I also find it comforting to note that some things around here never change.

though there were a lot more of them than in my hs

i do not understand Spencer Chow and dbag in the same sentence

I don't even own a duffel bag.

when you work in film though, it's always about enduring one particular shoot - which may work you crazy hours with sleep-reversing, back-breaking schedules - but it'll come to an end. and then you may have 3 weeks to kill. but as far as which industry completely overworks and underpays its employees and makes them put up with all sorts of abusive/inappropriate shit that would be completely unacceptable in any other - yep, that's entertainment (not to mention the rate at which we eat our young)

spencer is the fourth or fifth nicest person i've met from the internet

Other things I loved on the East Coast, especially as a kid raised in the Sierras, were the deciduous forests.

michael, many of the valley geeks are compensated with lots of onsite perks for spending all that time grinding away in the cube; as far as I am aware, however, there is no massage parlor in the OEOB etc. and as far as film crew work and similar, is it really a status thing that you spend nearly half the entire week on a set?

of course there are plenty of people here who put in their 40 (more like 36) and split, but there is also a general consensus that this is the mark of a shitty

also, no stock options available with homeland security inc

I think I see your point, Tom. It's some kind of lame masochsim posing as macho dick waving?

(also, that comment up above doesn't include film *office* jobs, which are wholly different and basically masochistic and delusional in nature. and instead of "oh i'm working 70 weeks to be around super-powerful people," it's "oh i'm working 90 hours a week for minimum wage in this mailroom so that jerry bruckheimer's third illiterate assistant can yell obscenities at my face but someday maybe hopefully woo woo i'll get to pick up his laundry and take it to set so i can show him my script and i'll get my BIG BREAK! HUZZAH!!")

out of curiosity - which beaches, michael? the calm water and endless sandbars you mention are what i associate with the gulf of mexico, not the beaches up here.

Maryland, I think, lauren or maybe North Carolina. I was a little kid.

ah, okay. that makes sense. the water gets rough as fuck as you move up.

Who was there? Irish/Italian Catholics? I know squat about modern demographics of NE.

of the white people left in the area i was in it was probably 60% irish 30% italian and then mostly recent immigrants from the former czechoslovakia and yugoslavia. i know just before i moved out here white flight was all but complete in the town where my dad grew up, population had dwindeled to around 65,000 and over 33,000 were puerto rican.

Whenever I hear people talk about how in LA everyone is obsessed about tanning and in NYC everyone is obsessed with fashion, I usually have two thoughts: 1) Well, that can't be true, can it? They're big cities; maybe it's just the people you know. And 2) If it is true, I guess I'm glad I live in Chicago.

huh, they haven't updated the stats since the 2000 census, i guess the population had dwidled to 72043.

Total Population 72043 100.00%
Hispanic or Latino(of any race) 43019 59.71%

I have done ten hours of tanning in the last 3 minutes.

(also, that comment up above doesn't include film *office* jobs, which are wholly different and basically masochistic and delusional in nature. and instead of "oh i'm working 70 weeks to be around super-powerful people," it's "oh i'm working 90 hours a week for minimum wage in this mailroom so that jerry bruckheimer's third illiterate assistant can yell obscenities at my face but someday maybe hopefully woo woo i'll get to pick up his laundry and take it to set so i can show him my script and i'll get my BIG BREAK! HUZZAH!!")

-- Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, January 25, 2008 2:50 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

yup x 1000

in NYC everyone is obsessed with fashion,

this does not hold true of the people i know in nyc. although one was in the nyt fashion section the other day.

One of the cultures of LA is like that, though I find it's less about tanning per se than physical appearances and as much as I try to just laugh at them, they invariably piss me off when I'm down there. I find NYers rather well dressed, actually, which isn't always the case with the truly fashion obsessed

It's some kind of lame masochsim posing as macho dick waving?

listen, some of us don't always hate the work we do, ok? but perhaps more importantly, being "good at your job" (and having a "good" job) is crucial shit out here for a pretty big chunk of the population. getting paid is only half of it. DC is not a town you just move to because you think it seems like a fun place.

also DC is overall about the worst dressed city I've ever been to, if you take the median fashion level here. off the rack suits and pantsuits driving that figure down pretty badly. if it wasn't for the black kids we'd have nothing

being "good at your job" (and having a "good" job) is crucial shit out here for a pretty big chunk of the population. getting paid is only half of it.

That's a funtion of the biggest employer being the Govt., right?

yup X a trillion. and the truth is, as we all know, it never happens. for even if your best non-film (i differentiate, it's a must) friend is fucking jerry bruckheimer this week and is v good at that and your script is an exceptionally well-written one about gigantic anthropomorphized Tonka trucks that smash into buildings with glee, he won't read it if you try to pass it along unless you lie and get so and so big name's agent to lie about how so and so lied about being interested and how so and so is "attached." and even then, after it gets read, it'll be tossed into a pile of scripts of gigantic anthropomorphized Tonka trucks that is 7 feet tall, all from last year. so nothing will ever happen, and you'll have a false sense of pride...just from your "lucky break" of getting your friend to fuck him, or getting his laundry, what-have-you. i have a friend with a master's degree who was getting peter bogdanovich's laundry on a bi-weekly basis a while back, and wow peter bogdanovich what a fucking waste of time!!!

ok now that i've lived up to all these LA cliches...can we just say that it's at least better to be around people who are truly "powerful," than deluded hollywood idiots who are only "powerful" as far as the box office is concerned- which ultumately matters on a global scale, like nil. so score one for the east coast right there - at least your "ladders" lead somewhere

only "powerful" as far as the box office is concerned- which ultumately matters on a global scale, like nil.

international only amounts to half the b.o. -- nothing to worry about really. um.

i meant box office mattering, period. it's solipsistic entertainment crap and people from other industries look at the self-important "hollywood elite" with condescension and bemusement, as they kind of should. exhibit a: bono

Vic I think movies are 'powerful' but Hollywood is usually more of a follower than a leader of the zeitgeist.

even though i suppose it's a bit unfair if your intentions to do something noble outside the ent. industry truly is noble- and not related to furthering your limitless desire for friendly press and sate your inconceivable/self-congratulatory ego demands

Michael I think that ethos permeates much more than just the govtworker populace, it goes all up and down the acela track

M White: I don't even know how movies are even "powerful" anymore - they're most often just time-fillers. What sort of power are they leveraging?

Northern California's tech sector has "influenced" the world a great deal more in greater, more significant ways than H-wood has - or has recently

And even if ent industry was just all swept away into the Pacific, would it matter much, economically speaking? This LA Observed post from yesterday argues no (i find it optimistc!) : http://www.laobserved.com/biz/2008/01/who_needs_hollywood.php

i think most people who get too obsessed with some pipe dream of hollywood success end up being some mid-level production type on a miserable series of one-season wonders and pilots for basic cable reality type shit. there are a few people i know who would probably be best served by gtfo of l.a. and moving somewhere else because of this.

>noble outside the ent. industry truly is noble-

truly ARE noble

I think the obsession is more with youth, and so people in LA actually avoid the sun.

i know dozens of people from college who were these indie film obsessives who wanted to make the next clerks and now they're 32 yr old pa's or still covering phones at struggling production companies.

vich you need to name names otherwise this sounds completely hollow: hollywood people have big egos! they get sneered at by... other industries (steel? pharma? tech? that's gotta hurt)! they have to concern themselves with making a profit!

the type i'm always fascinated with are just the opposite: not the people who move here from arkansas wanting to make it or die trying...but, say, the indifferent, unambitious middle-aged woman from mar vista who's family is from norwalk, who's a career-assistant, stays diligently every day from 10 to 7, does her job no-frills, and doesn't give a shit about "advancing," or "a break," or anything but that paycheck, please.

these are invariably the best workers in hollywood. they're there to work, not to take over the world, maybe

if it sounded completely hollow, then i achieved my goal of describing this place. :) < facetiousness, sorry >

The person you're describing can work for 30 or 40 years. The ambitious ones get chewed up and spat out.

I think many of the ambitious ones chill out and settle into those jobs.

hi omar little! you are aptly named!

new york will always be fun for a visit but i don't think i could ever live there again. the l.a. stereotypes being thrown out upthread are sub-Annie Hall. there are lots of different "scenes" out here, yer average brooklynite could easily find one that would work for them. i do find the idea of san francisco & portland more attractive as i get older tho (i don't care for seattle, seems a bit like a westcoast boston)

seattle definitely fills the boston slot on the west coast, but it's not uptight or cold like the east coast version

Yeah, to repeat what you're saying, L.A. gets way more guff than it deserves.

My complaint with Seattle, as crazy as this sounds, is that it is too clean...like, antiseptic in a way that I wonder if deeply compelling cultural stuff can really take a foothold there. Then again, it was (ironically, I s'pose) the birthplace of grunge, so what do I know?

gershy OTM, i love love love some parts/scenes of LA and HATE other parts/scenes. what it really comes down to for me is what m white said upthread--too much time spent in a car or on a bus or even on the metro, shit is too far apart and i fucking hate driving everywhere.

Beyond understanding the closeness to the Pacific Rim drug trade, and whatever that implies, it just seems strange to me that there has historically been such a heroin problem in a city (Seattle) which seems to me to be the very model for American attempts at embodying an uber-healthy-lifestyle in clean surroundings...something like the best of B.C.

Though I guess Vancouver has no shortage of seediness, so, go figure.

antiseptic

read: pretty

i am sorta glad i did not respond to much of this thread

i am one of those people who came out here with a desire to set the indie film world on fire, hated life, and then readjusted my goals to ostensibly more tenable employment outside of the entertainment industry, but still with enough in the way of connections to pass my scripts around as need be.

i hate entertainment industry stereotypes. most often they are inspired by minorly successful people in the industry trying to act like they are on the inside and behaving like total dicks. most people in the industry, like vic's mar vista office assistant example upthread, as well as the respected and elder folx who are actually doing shit, have been totally above-board and honest w/r/t my interactionso

antiseptic

read: pretty

Nah, more like I would be walking through town and wondering: Where is everybody?? And, as silly as it sounds, where is some grime that would indicate that there are some signs of life here? At worst it reminded me of parts of suburban New Jersey or something. Like, yes, it's pretty here, but it's not inspiring in the way that I feel SF or LA can be inspiring. Regrettably, I don't know enough of Portland to talk about it with any sense of authority whatsoever.

well, sure it's not a very urban place in no small part due to its siting, and it's smaller than your really major cities, and it's got more wealth and therefore less subcultural impetus than its little brother to the south (perhaps because it's done infinitely better in the export business), but its appeal lies chiefly in its surroundings and there's nowhere better for a couple of weeks of the year

also, while i don't discount the grime-as-life approach entirely, it's rather east-coast-centric, no?

sf is pretty dumpy

Yeah, rightly or wrongly, I like the way that SF is ridiculously beautiful in places, but at the same time retains a very gritty vibe in certain parts of town.

One of my only complaints about SF aside from the ever-prohibitive cost of living is the fact that it tends to rest on its laurels to a fault. I mean, I am appreciative of the history of certain spots in town; the legacy of the beats, the summer of love, and so forth...but that all happened several decades ago. At times it feels like there is a dusty museum quality to the city which I think breeds its own brand of staleness. It seems lacking in the dynamism that one feels walking through NYC or spending time in parts of LA.

exactly, that is why it is appealing to past-his-prime me

Eh, don't get me wrong, overall I love it. I would be there again in a heartbeat if I felt wealthier and also were not wrapped up in family stuff (they are all east coast lifers...).

Again, I appreciate the historical context that one picks up from being in certain places, I mean it certainly carries more immediacy and personal meaning for me than dealing with Philadelphia and other east coast cities' founding fathers' brand of historicity...but, still, sometimes it just feels weird to be walking around in a town where most of the extant buildings are less than a century old, and yet one feels like there is some formaldehyde bubble at work.

I like the mountain states lots...I like to indulge the fantasy that over the next several years Boise, Missoula, and some Colorado towns will all engineer some wonderful public transportation systems. I think that scenario would suit me just fine.

I think the mountain states bring together a lot of the best aspects of all different parts of the country-- the west coast's dramatic landscapes, mid-western unpretentiousness, east coast non-flakiness, southern friendliness...something like what I imagine living in the some of the rapidly-growing southwestern cities are like, but without the regrettable urban-planning decisions and monoclimate.

everything except the u+k water element

I confess I don't know what "u+k" means in this context, but if you're talking about water scarcity issues, then your point is well taken. Though, I thought that water troubles were more of a perpetual California concern. But I know shit-all about water politics, to be honest. I just assumed that the mountain states have reasonable levels of rainfall throughout the year, not to mention snowmass melting...

But maybe you were referring to the southwest?

most of the country has water problems lately!

fuck even NYC's famed freshwater supply looks like it might need some help soon enough. HELLO TOO MANY HUMANS

i mean that mountain state cities typically do not have oceans/bays/harbors, but rather piddly little rivers at best

The west coast spawned the only video game I know of featuring hacky sack:

http://members.tcq.net/video61/images/lynx/gamepics/california.jpg

Mountain states would be PERFECT if, as dell pointed out, they just had better public transport! (And had more bands come through)

Denver most definitely is engineering a v ambitious public transit program, FasTracks: http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/main_1 Why other American cities can't emulate this is a good question.

and to reply to gabbneb upthread: Colorado may have had a few hippies when the movement started, but nowhere near as many since the 1980's onwards. And I was partially kidding with the ex-Californian comment - on its own CO is now just seen as a magnet for a particular eco-loving/outdoorsy/ soft "new agey" demographic

well the whole interior west is, but yeah, CO especially

x-post Wasn't Atlanta under threat of drying up this past summer due to the drought? Water scarcity is not exactly exclusive to the western US. I'd think

I am glad it's storming outside. They're saying we've had more rainfall here in the past two days than in all of '07...good, i wasn't looking forward to therest of Griffith Park spontaneously combusting by March again this year

the "best place to live" is all so subjective anyway. the subtext of this thread is really about who do ya prefer: Biggie or Pac? and i'll exhibit my disloyalties by saying Notorious all the way

Oh, okay, gabbneb. Landlocked-ness, and so forth.

fuck even NYC's famed freshwater supply looks like it might need some help soon enough. HELLO TOO MANY HUMANS

Yeah...not to mention crumbling infrastructure. When I lived in SF I remember a lot of wringing of hands over the physical condition of the Hetch Hetchy Aqueduct that the water supply there is largely or mostly contingent upon.

Denver most definitely is engineering a v ambitious public transit program, FasTracks: http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/main_1 Why other American cities can't emulate this is a good question.

Cool. I think that other cities here will, eventually. Unfortunately it's gonna take a couple of decades to implement that shit. But, there's not really much choice in the long run, as I see it, anyway.

the "best place to live" is all so subjective anyway. the subtext of this thread is really about who do ya prefer: Biggie or Pac? and i'll exhibit my disloyalties by saying Notorious all the way

True, that, absolutely. But wow, I'm still on the fence as to Biggie/Pac. I think they're both pretty beautiful.

the busway running through the valley is pretty convenient, and i know a lot of people who swear on the blue line @ south of the hills. the fly in the ointment is the N/S route barely serviced on the 405 / laurel canyon lines

i think LA will have a great mass transit system - by the 23rd century. isn't it funny that we have all these "futuristic" connotations with this city, but it still cant get some of the basics of infrastructure correct? but then again, we're Autopia and were the post-war *model* of American civic building: sprawl, decentralize, individualize. What a thing to be a pioneer in....sigh
All kidding aside, I think in the sunbelt we're again going to be the leader: this time of transforming to a denser template, of incorporating more transit where we royally fucked ourselves before...or at least *attempting* to right those tragic wrongs. Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Vegas and Atlanta will all be watching LA's struggles with this closely, and just with the suburbanizing, they'll be hoping to remedy their ills similarly. It's just funny that Denver is taking the lead and progressing so quickly...but then again, I wouldn't call Denver "sunbelt" (Atlanta either, but ATL has more in common with those cities as it came of age in the same era so is frequently grouped with them). The quick will remain: is it too little, too late with the suburb so predominant?

And yeah, the Orange Line thru the Valley has been sort of a quiet very minor-scaled revolution. It's a "bus," so what - it still counts. It's been enormously successful but no one talks about it. All told, in the past 17 years LA's added more than 100 miles of rail: that's still remarkable in a democratically governed city that's almost synonymous with dysfunction. (If our total square mileage wasn't so great, it might have meant a lot more!) If you read the news today, the Gold Line's expansion to the eastside has been forestalled, since the MTA's probably trying to earmark whatever small change it has for Wilshire. And remy is correct w/r/t the 405, but last fall (council member) Tom LaBonge said that a north-south line down Sepulveda - the longest thoroughfare in the city - will be next on the list of "big projects" post-Wilshire to focus building rail on, parallel to the 405 all the way from the tip of the Valley to the South Bay. It's just that he has to fight against other idiots like (county supervisor) Antonovitch (Antonobitch!) who play political interests and disapprove of rail at every level

My predictions currently (add 5 years to everything just to be safe): Expo Line to Santa Monica - 2013 (2010's a joke with the " Dorsey high school" rubbish!); Downtown Connector - 2017; Purple Line/Wilshire Blvd to S.M. - 2022; Crenshaw Corridor (this is the other serious line they're currently considering at the MTA mtgs) - 2026; Sepulveda Line - 2030. Things won't get any faster unless we get more federal $ like NYC and Chicago does and we can build these concurrently, but the cool thing is that they're actually thinking of extending the Red Line down Santa Monica all the way to where it hits Wilshire, as well as the Purple Line down Wilshire itself, so people from Hollywood don't have to go east and south just so they can go west, as they would otherwise. But right now everything is still talk. I'd just be happy if someone could just expand the Green Line to the fucking airport instead of having it stop 1 fucking mile away as it does right now goddamnit (but it's a metaphor for the fucked-upness of the system as a whole)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand thread

i'm sure i just killed this one, just like the good old days :-) =) ;-0)

>The quick

KWESTION

nah, that is totally otm. i would respond, but i am neither as sober nor as informed as you.

i wish i wasn't either, but in the intervening years of my absence from ilxville i fulfilled my internet mssg board needs by confining myself to local "city-talk," places, so i could at least feel that my interet habits were paying off in some practical/useful way (rather than reading in-jokes about Loverboy album covers, etc)

i'd invite you to come with me to the next MTA "open to the public, we need you to tell us how badly you want it" planning mtg if i was sure i was going / not as broke as i currently am, and if you weren't moving away / still kind of cared. are you heading back to the east coast?

<i>
Metro to hold public update meetings on Metro Westside Extension Transit Corridor Study

The Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (Metro) will be conducting several upcoming meetings to update the public on the agency’s Westside Extension Transit Corridor Study. The study, which evaluates ways to improve mobility on the Westside of Los Angeles, will be held at the following locations:

Thursday, January 31: Los Angeles County Museum of Art-West, 6-8 p.m., LACMA-West Terrace Room, 5th Floor, 5905 Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA, Metro Service provided on Lines 20, 720, 920, 217 & 780. Validated parking is available in the lot on the southeast corner of Wilshire & Spaulding.

Tuesday, February 5: Westwood Presbyterian Church, 6- 8 p.m., 10822 Wilshire Boulevard (at Malcolm Avenue), Los Angeles, CA. Metro Service provided on Line 20, 720 & 920.Free parking available at the location

Wednesday, February 6: Plummer Park, 6-8 p.m., 7377 Santa Monica Boulevard (at Plummer Place), West Hollywood, CA, Metro service provided on Line 4. Free parking available at the location.

Metro held early scoping meetings in October 2007 to help guide the development of alternatives to address the growing traffic and congestion in the 38 square-mile study area. Nearly 500 individuals attended these meetings and more than 450 formal comments were submitted by the close of the comment period.

Metro has now reviewed all public comments and, based on this feedback, has developed a number of alternatives for further analysis including various modes, alignments and station locations. These upcoming meetings will update the public about the results of the scoping process, the emerging alternatives, and next steps in the study’s progress.

Content presented at these meetings will be identical, so interested parties should attend at the time and location most convenient for them. An open house will be scheduled from 6-6:30 p.m, followed by a presentation between 6:30-7 p.m. Discussion will follow from 7-8 p.m. For additional information or questions, please visit the Westside Extension Transit Corridor Study website at www.metro.net/westside or contact the project information line at 213.922.6934.

Metro’s Alternatives Analysis Study is the first step in the environmental clearance process. The Metro Board of Directors will determine whether to move the project forward to subsequent environmental review stages based in part on the results of this study.</i>

http://metro.net/news_info/press/metro_8_009.htm

haha i can't even do italics. also am not going to be in town some of these days. i still need to go to one of these though

(i am headed to the east coast @ the end of february for 5-7 months to stack funds to return to my fall job in LA)

ah cool - no one can leave forever! except all those millions in Colorado i just mentioned (or anywhere else, but no one talks about how it's mostly the whites & blacks fleeing, not the Latins or AZNs). good to hear you're coming back *with* a jawb

its important to go to these mtgs, coz believe it or not, there are still some unbelievable NIMBY "not in my fucking high property taxes that are already going down fuck! no you don't" types who come out to these and vocalize how they DON'T want transit/rail/teh colored peoples to traverse their pure lands, etc. Beverly Hills may have changed its tune but Hancock Park is still notorious and Cheviot Hills is exactly what's holding up the Expo Line. that's why it's good to come shut these assholes down, using sheer numbers. appropriately enough, West Hollywood is clamoring for transit on the other hand

i should just take all this to the LA thread. but no one really likes to talk seriously there. or something. haha

That brings to mind the absence of a BART line into Marin, which, as I understand it is largely due to similar NIMBY crap. So silly, really.

Good luck, man. That's awesome that you are taking the time to participate in trying to make that shit happen.

i see i just ignored the gigantic new key for doing code here which has probably been around, for what, 3 years? i was doing the old-skool < > style. what a moron i am. and that latest "haha," should have had quotes around it just like that as it was wholly defensive.
i don't know if this is goingt o work but here you go:
http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/ViksPix/?action=view¤t=2008-draft-1.jpg

WEST FUCKING COAST FUCK THE HATERS

i mean cmon
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/106480556_c2c1a1b22e_o.jpg

i'm not going back fulltime for a while or anything but woah <3

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/176783433_42ab1a6cfc_o.jpg

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wa/skagit/postcards/dpassb.jpg

http://www.peacham.com/travel/images/baker1024.jpg

Yeah, it's self-evident to me, but hey...

http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/biomes/images/alpine/olympic_6030.jpg

http://www.mw-scenicphotos.com/BigSur/JuliaPfeiffer/wBigSur990520.jpg

i am only accepting photos that you took or are in or that yr friend/family took and you are near them when they took it

but these are good as well

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/78819256_69ab152bdb_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/81119009_d411c28b66_o.jpg

Robyn - I don't own a camera, you are discriminating against me.

http://www.maxwaugh.com/images/misc04/rocks.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/81110676_c479e64895_o.jpg

http://i16.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/e7/45/25_1_b.JPG

That last pic of mine reminds me how much I love the Wash. coast and its rocks out in the middle of the ocean w/ trees on them.

xpost lol i'm not really discriminating i'm just into looking at my flickr westcoast photos right now

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Pebble_Beach_tree.jpg/800px-Pebble_Beach_tree.jpg

oops.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Pebble_Beach_tree.jpg/800px-Pebble_Beach_tree.jpg

http://www.envirosports.com/exec/enviro/photos/view.jpg

yeah well if this was meant to be a fucking picture thread about landscapes then why was ther a poll to start with

HOW ABOUT WE DISCUSS WHERE WHITE PEOPLE LANDED AND IMMEDIATELY BEGAN PUTTING UP AMAZING URBAN ARCHITECTURAL IDIOSYNCRASIES THE LIKES OF WHICH CAN ONLY BE SEEN IN, UH, FUCK, ARE YOU KIDDING? WHEELING WEST VIRGINIA
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Buildings_DowntownWheelingWV.jpg

yeah you got nothing
west coast fuck wouldn't even EXIST without east coast fuck
I rest my fuck case

i kind of love you you are crazy

ps sorry abt the landscapes it is my biraahtday wkend and shouldn't every thread like this have a 4am drunk jpg fight?

Oh, I would post my pics from SF, but I don't feel like digging ou the discs. Maybe later.

ps sorry abt the landscapes it is my biraahtday wkend and shouldn't every thread like this have a 4am drunk jpg fight?

I think so!

ps happy birthday rrobyn! plus, at the risk of sounding crepey, yr smile on the WDYLL thread where you're holding the beer bottle slays.

there, I said it. also, Autumn Almanac looks like a popstar in the picture(s) of him, so...I just appreciate. beautiful. people! Blah

you wld prob get yr ass kicked jpg style
but whatever east coast rules too - i went swimming in nova scotia with a lot of small jellyfish once and even with the stinging it was still awesome
xpost
:)

I think you have me wrong. I am on the side of the west here

Manifest Destiny = West is the apex of America's development = West wins (this is weak =)

East Coast died with Charlie Ondras.

West died with Horatio Alger

happy birthday rrrobyn!

haha thank you for participating in the birhtday drunk 4am tradition! :D

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

im glad someone else on this thread was tootin' denver's horn. LOVE THIS JOINT, if only it had an ocean.... damn.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

You people are crzy.

u gay

east coast media bias.

either that or the Australians...

I should have voted. (WEST SIDE).

lol we so correct

y'all don't even get hurricanes

lol, even the likes of me recognizes there's a limit to self-delusion ESPECIALLY WHEN THE STAKES ARE IMAGINARY!!!!!!

But I concede that east coast weather patterns are kinda cool.

In fact, they're so cool that west coast climatic patterns almost drove me to insanity...but still I would trade coasts in a second.

East coast mentality, broadly speaking, drives me even crazier!

And that's not reverse psychology of "don't move to the west coast, it sucks, heh-heh,", as much as I might wish I could employ that sorta calculating and cleverness.

DIRTY SOUTH WHAT Y'ALL

I like the south, and should investigate it more.

But more importantly, where is the "yr neighbors, agh" thread? At the moment I can hear my downstairs neighbors having sexual congress for the second time today, plus I am smelling delicious tomato-sauce dish leaking over from some other neighboring unit, followed by some homey beef dish or something. I can only turn up the speaker so loud, and smoke w/o opening the windows for so long...

i.e., you jerks, re-arrange the world according to ME, etc...

im glad someone else on this thread was tootin' denver's horn. LOVE THIS JOINT, if only it had an ocean.... damn.
That really about the only thing wrong with Denver isn't it? I could do with a little LESS sunshine, too, but in general a great place.

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c69.html

http://gothamist.com/2008/04/04/map_of_the_day_142.php