"Every single person on this island will die" - LOST SERIES FOUR THREAD [spoiler alert]

I am jealous of American types who will get to see this tonight, rather than tomorrow.

M1ninova at al have a torrent up, but I don't know if it's real.

doubt it. has the show leaked early before?

sorry for the tautology

http://elitecriativa.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/lost_ben.jpg

didn't you hear me Matt? EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS ISLAND WILL DIE

btw this thread should have been called "WE HAVE TO GO BACK"

of course they will all die AT SOME POINT.

MORTALITY MUCH?

where did 'X much?' start?

Oh, OK, it's definitely not real, as it's 370KB instead of 370MB. Stupid much?

It was "every single living person" btw

The dead people will not die???

also "will be killed".

The dead people will not die???

-- Alba, Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:36 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

raises important point

nikki and paolo much?

RICHARD ALPERT much?

JACOB much?

I hope they don't dispose with flashbacks altogether in this series - there's still some I'd like to find out a bit more about. Okay I mean Ben really. And Rousseau. And maybe a Mike and Walt post-island flashback.

Preposterous notion that won't happen - Claire flash-forward where we see Aaron as devil-child or whatever.

Did Mike and Wahahahaaalt really leave the island, do you think? I'm starting to think they didn't get much further than the looming frieghter.

Rumour has is that this season will be a mix of flashbacks and forwards. All for that.

Maybe they're on the freighter, maybe they'll appear in an off-island future scene (or several). The latter option would save them having to explain why Walt is suddenly four years older.

Can't fucking wait.

where did 'X much?' start?

-- blueski, Thursday, 31 January 2008 11:31 (2 hours ago) Link

I think it's the Jewish expression. Like when Moses delivered them out of Egypt, some were heard to say "Exodus much?"

"y-y' call this manna?"

let my ppl go much

god murdering egyptians much

I will probably watch this just because of the writer's strike - there's nothing else on television except horrible reality programming like "Moment of Truth". But I don't know how much I will care -- I stopped watching Lost last season after that ridiculous episode w/Jack and Bai Ling.

it got so fucking good immediately after that nadir

OTM. Srlsly catch up on the last 10 or so episodes if you do nothing else.

I'm debating whether to watch this straight away or wait a few extra weeks so i can have two or three episodes to watch in row. Let's see how strong-willed I really am.

yah i usually wait and watch like 8 or 10 at a time - but last seasons omg theyre off the island finale got me so worked up i just dont know !!!!!

How come this season was filmed so far in advance (when did the writers' strike start?).

Presumably the scripts were written much earlier than the shooting?

Yeah, but usually with these things rewrites are needed right up to the last minute.

Maybe this season will have some more free improv?

they've only filmed the first 8 yo

this is why i haven't been so psyched for this i guess. i sense initial excitement followed by massive cliffhanger disappointment unless the cliffhanger really is astonishing and does keep us chattering all Summer

but i promise that will be the extent of my buzzharshing. BRING IT ON FISHER STEVENS.

AND DANIELS OUT OF THE WIRE.

omg omg i haven't been paying attn! and this is on tonight! i am kind of overly excited abt it

"Every single person on this island will die" <--- Eventually, yes. What a fatuous thing to say.

Reading "series" in this thread title for this whole SEASON is going to bug me. Good thing it's a short season, I guess.

except he actually says "will be killed" xp

we did this already dan

READ THREADS MUCH?

NO

Every single person on this thread will die.

TEH HORRORS

I am immortal.

You're putting me on.

everyone on this thread will be zinged

That sounds like a horrible way to die.

You get zinged to death and then your estranged son will carry you through the jungle on his back.

its not deadly just deadly humiliating

I don't think anything called "zing" could be that humiliating.

"don't go on this thread, brother"

http://www.o-ronline.net/weblog/cp/uploaded_images/111349__eko_l-732703.jpg

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no zing"

Reading "series" in this thread title for this whole SEASON is going to bug me. Good thing it's a short season, I guess.

hey welcome to our world

I thought you were used to American imperialism by now.

why don't you call it the WORLD SEASON?

HO SNAP

It's American TV, after all.

my cable was sort of fucked up last night and this morning. nerrrrvousssss. need backup plan!

Maybe SERIES is more appropriate than Season since it's only 8 episodes.

Not in the way that Americans use the term "series," though. More appropriate would be "mini-season."

"Every Single Living Writer on this Series Will Die" the Lost 2008 Mini-Season Thread

What word do the britishes use that would be equivalent to the way we use "series?"

Episode.

Of course. Ha!

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/0/05/Locke_dad.jpg/190px-Locke_dad.jpghttp://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9928/mccain6km.jpg

a Dharma symbol with a bass clef

pix plz

-- jergïns, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 20:12 (Yesterday) Link

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/nickstravaganza/bass_station3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/nickstravaganza/bass_station2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/nickstravaganza/bass_station1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/nickstravaganza/LOST.gif

That's how my flashback/forward episode ends.

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/0/05/Locke_dad.jpg/190px-Locke_dad.jpg

this guy roolz in road house

and now he's DEAD

i see him around seattle occasionally and that dude is CREEPY

thanks nick. totally awesome

The show isn't even on yet. Is it too late to change thread title?
Migrate to new thread?

This is like 1775 all over again.

does anyone have those dharma beer labels??!?!

"Come With Me If You Want To Live"-- L O S T Season IV

stupid

jesus christ

best thing about L O S T being on again? Lingbert at my house http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb267/kellyshl/GIf/heart.gif

stupid

Just presenting an option, since objections were raised. Lock the other one if it's so offensive.

if i could i'd ban you for life

Who are you?

i'm the good guys, mulla

good luck everyone i'll be back here in about 21 hours

And why do you take things so hard?

because we care, damn it

does anyone have those dharma beer labels??!?!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/IMG_1686.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/IMG_1689.jpg
Tastes suspiciously like Sierra Nevada.

Mods, please delete that other bullshit thread.

no i mean the pdf of the dharma beer labels so i can print them out for tonight!!

great beard though!

I don't have it, sorry -- my daughter does, she made me some Dharma beers for Christmas. But she's off at school.

but I don't want to watch the whole stupid Eli Stone show with mute on just to see special Oceanic announcement. :(

That was jam-packed for a one-hour episode.

Also, A++++++

SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE A BULLET AND WATCH THIS CRAP NEW SHOW FOR THE REST OF US.

Very good. Eli Stone looks awful though.

ALSO, NOT IT.

So who are the other three of the Oceanic Six?

michael, walt, and the dog.

What's interesting is that I would've presumed that the Oceanic Six would've all been the ones who stayed behind with Jack.

Did Hurley say "it wants us to come back"?

the final scene: was that the dead guy or was it a new guy?

xpost

Oh shit, it's Daniels!

I wonder if Hurley's previous mental hospital flashbacks were actually flash-forwards?

so, was that jack's dad in the rocking chair?

xp No, because Libby was in one of them.

Final scene = new guy (played by Jeremy Davies)

oh man, I HATE Jeremy Davies.

Not unless Jack's dad is actually Jacob.

xp No, because Libby was in one of them.

-- jaymc, Friday, February 1, 2008 3:11 AM (47 seconds ago)

Yeah, but charlie's back from the dead, so dead island types could be in the future too.

xpost: well, there are two people in the cabin, rocking chair guy and eyeball guy

in the previous jacob appearance they only showed jacob's eyeball and profile, right?

i thought eyeball guy was locke??

Yeah, but charlie's back from the dead, so dead island types could be in the future too.

Maaaaybe, except Hurley didn't notice her. I don't think dead island types appear in the future for the viewer's benefit alone.

did they say only 6 survived, or that only 6 made it off the island?

it sounds like 6 made it off the island, but it's not clear that only 6 survived.

oh man i will repost this from other dupe non-as-good thread b/c i need to be part of action even if i am not actually part of the action at the moment of it

this is the first time i've wished i still had a tv right now
eff you for that Lost
see you tomorrow tho!

the black guy asked hurley "are they still alive?". or something along those lines.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg

I WIN A PRIZE

picture not see-able

click on the link

Yeah, that's Daniels from the Wire. Nice casting.

OIC

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg

pretty sure hurley has mentioned previously being in a mental institution while on the island (like in the a beautiful mind episode)

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http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/a/a5/Cap08.jpg

link works, right?

hahahxpost

ok, so if there are two people in the cabin (jacob and jack dad) is it possible that Jacob's "save me" to locke is re: being trapped in cabin by smoke monster/dead island peeples/whatever?

flyoceanicair.com

thanx google!

Why would Hurley see the smoke monster in the form of Christian, though?

AGH! Flash flood warnings meant my Lost recording was off, and I missed everything after Jack said "how did this happen" in response to the group splitting up. When did Jeremy Davies show up? Who was he? In what context?

yeah seriously, who keeps hiring Jeremy Davies?

I hired him to be the clown at my birthday party last year. :/

NICE JOB JERK, NOW HES ON LOST THANKS TO YOU

Okay, just found out about Jeremy Davies parachuting in, etc... No thanks to ILX.

The two threads thing is confusing. Live Together, Die Alone guys.

I always confuse him w/Henry Thomas.

or Lukas Haas.

Jeremy Davies is so much worse.

he's like if you took all the red out of clay aiken.

Why would Hurley see the smoke monster in the form of Christian, though?

-- Johnny Fever, Friday, February 1, 2008 3:44 AM (10 minutes ago)

well, there's no reason for hurley to see him at all, which kind of makes the "dead people only appear to the people they're connected to" theory problematic no matter what.

xpost haha

unless christian isn't dead, which makes not a lick of sense.

Refresh my memory: Did the people on the freighter claim to know Penny? If not, I don't understand why half of the Losties assume they're up to no good. Just because it's not Penny's boat doesn't mean they're not rescuers, anyway. Unless everyone trusts Ben now.

Naomi claimed to know her, and she had that picture of Penny and Desmond with her.

"I hired him to be the clown at my birthday party last year. :/"

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/rd/6.jpg

Thanks, Gukbe. I've been away from this show for too long.

I have too so this may be a stupid question: Now, I remember everyone together under Jack's leadership being led onto a helicopter. It didn't appear that there had been any recent history of divisiveness. (I seem to remember that Naomi was there too but I'm not sure.) Was this episode giving some hidden background from just before that? Or was that somehow illusory? Or do I need to go watch that episode over again? I missed anything that might have happened before Hurley was being interrogated about the corner store episode.

The only thing that happened before Hurley was interrogated was the car chase and arrest. Although it's initially shown from Jack's perspective, as he's watching it on his TV.

What I don't get is why Jack - a DOCTOR - would leave Naomi lying there with a knife in her and just assume she was dead without tending to her, since he thought she was one of the good guys. What am I missing?

That's a good point.

If you haven't figured out by now that Jack's an ass, you haven't been paying attention. He feels compelled to fix things, but only the things of his choosing.

1. What was the Oceanic commercial during Eli Stone about?

2. http://www.find815.com/site/index.php ???

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Find_815

Ok...so if you make it http://www.find815.com/site/ it works.

xp

It still doesn't make sense. He had an interest in Naomi being healthy.

1. Charlie crosses himself with the wrong (left) hand as the water rushes in.

2. When Hurley sees Charlie in the mirrored window in the police station the words "THEY NEED YOU" are written on his left hand, but Charlie is left-handed.

A lot of what this website says makes sense, and it alerted me to #2.

(Courtney and the other Catholic pointed out the wrong-hand crossing to me.)

The ocean 6 could be people with weird bio-effects for all we know.
Who all took the shots on the island?

Also, refresh my memory. What was the freighter scene again? Where did naomi come from?

OK, one thing that's really bugging me: I don't feel like the Desmond/Sayid/Hurley/Jin/Bernard/Sawyer faction really expressed to the rest of the Losties the whole "Not Penny's Boat" deal. It made it seem like the basis for anyone not staying with Jack was "lol, Locke's crazy, but I'm gonna trust him on this" rather than strong evidence that the people on the freighter are not who they say they are. For that matter, why wouldn't Desmond and Sayid have gone with Locke? (I didn't see either of them cross over to Locke's side at the end.)

^^^lol we're baaaaaaaaack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh7Y8c_Ug3o

they should have just sent a few spies or something. maybe even torture the rescuers.

I founf that a bit unexciting, except for Hurley unmasking Daniels in a Total Recall "It's a trick!" way. I'm still confused as to who was in the hut. I thought at first it was Island Momus peering through the whole. It was edited weirdly in that there was quite a gap between the eye appearing and Hurley jumping back, as if something else had happened too, but I don't think it did.

Oh, and I like Jeremy Daniels, so that's OK.

Lance Reddick Daniels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Daniels

Lost is kind of a mash-up between Solaris and Rescue Dawn anyway, so Jeremy Daniels is perfectly cast.

Davies! I mean Davies! I did it again. I knew there was a downside to getting up so early to watch Lost.

"Whole"?? God, I really was half-asleep.

OK, one thing that's really bugging me: I don't feel like the Desmond/Sayid/Hurley/Jin/Bernard/Sawyer faction really expressed to the rest of the Losties the whole "Not Penny's Boat" deal. It made it seem like the basis for anyone not staying with Jack was "lol, Locke's crazy, but I'm gonna trust him on this" rather than strong evidence that the people on the freighter are not who they say they are. For that matter, why wouldn't Desmond and Sayid have gone with Locke? (I didn't see either of them cross over to Locke's side at the end.)

Yeah this was like really badly written to the point of being an unscratched itch of sorts for the viewer, for me anyway. EG they wanted an emotional scene with Hurley but I didn't believe he'd be wilting and sad, he'd be saying "IT'S NOT FUCKING PENNY'S BOAT, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT HER BOAT YOU MORONS" and so forth!

Also what accent was Sawyer using when he said "SURVOIVIN", felt kinda piratey.

btw this episode was kind of shit wasn't it? badly paced, no real thrills or excitement, not even balanced out very well from flash forward to reality.

I mean think of the perfection of the return after series one with Desmond in the hatch. And then think of last night's slipshod stuff, it didn't even feel like the start of a new series, just the next episode after the end of the last one.

More collections of observations from viewer comments

Polar regions seem pretty significant b/c of

- Hurley's drawing an igloo while in the mental hospital
- Penny's crew in Antarctica
- the polar bear
- Desmond makes a comment about how the island is a snowglobe
- Hurley's Spanish comic with the snowglobe with aliens watching it
- Charlie and his brother talking about Father Christmas and the North Pole when the brother gives Charlie the DS ring
- the theme polar opposites runs through the show

That mirror matter website makes a lot of sense at many points.

I think Hurley stumbled onto a little island congress - smokey and Jacob having a sit down to decide what they're going to do now. He should've told Locke what he saw.

I am most surprised by Desmond staying with Jack, except I guess maybe he's still got an investment in contacting these people since they knew who he & Penny were.

Was Hurley able to see Jacob? Is that significant? I can't even remember how that all went down with Ben/Locke last year.

This episode was pretty touching. I didn't think I cared that Charlie had died.

xpost yeah I think the big eye that popped up just inside the window was supposed to be Jacob (when Locke saw Jacob they did the same FLASH of BIG EYE thing). This should be significant; it was because Locke could see Jacob that Ben shot him.

I want to see the smoke monster fuck up a helicopter.

"Jack, with your permission I'd like to go with John."

You have to use disposable aircraft when flying to the island.

I wish the island had a name. Surely the Others have a name for it?

Dude, do you smell carrots?

So am I totally off assuming the ones who make it off the island are keeping the survival of the other 815ers AND the island itself secret from the world?

keeping everything that happened a secret I guess?

xpost
That's the impression I've gotten.

How far ahead was the flash-forward in the last episode of season 3? Wasn't it several years?

Assuming the Oceanic 6 do go back eventually, the rest of the survivors may be pretty pissed off.

x-post yeah it's hard to tell. obviously last night's flash forward was before Jack's breakdown etc ("thinking of growing a beard"), but hard to say how long.

I think orginally it was planned to be about three inches.

the part I didn't get is how Hurley ended up rescued, since he went w/ Locke

You're not supposed to get it yet. That's what the next seven episodes are for.

I have too so this may be a stupid question: Now, I remember everyone together under Jack's leadership being led onto a helicopter

you are hallucinating this or confusing it with the end of the previous season

I'm confused though, was jeremey davies character shown before? why is everyone saying 'it's daniels'? who? what?

yeah, i was a little har har lost there myself. couldn't remember whether i remembered the dude from the series or one of his movies.

(didn't he do a really, really annoying interview with the onion av club a while back?)

also, i thought the eye in the window was locke. but i was really, really tired and not thinking straight so i'll have to watch it again.

the eye was def. locke, that doesn't seem mysterious or confusing to me. he was in there talking w/ jacob. and that screenshot above certainly LOOKS like christian, so maybe christian is jacob. or something

I think orginally it was planned to be about three inches.

in your flashforward you're 70 years old, crying at a table about making that awful joke.

then a polar bear comes in.

xp Yeah I was pretty sure the eye was Locke and the rocking-chair dude was Christian too.

Des didn't pass along Charlie's greatest hits thingy to Claire.

Also, Hurley wasn't the only person who could see dead hobbit, his nuthouse buddy saw him too. Maybe Smokey/Jacob followed him off the island? Maybe that's what he meant by "it" wanted them to go back.

you are hallucinating this or confusing it with the end of the previous season

No, what I'm saying is that this how I remember season 3 ending. So I was confused about what was happening last night. But maybe it's supposed to be mysterious?

I'm guessing that's what this is referring to:

the part I didn't get is how Hurley ended up rescued, since he went w/ Locke

-- dmr, Friday, February 1, 2008 3:34 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

You're not supposed to get it yet. That's what the next seven episodes are for.

-- Rock Hardy, Friday, February 1, 2008 3:35 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Hurley's "nuthouse buddy" was RANDY previously his boss at MR CLUCK'S!!!! So probably not really there either.

Yeah.

(xpost to self)

It wasn't Locke's eye in the cabin. Here is the eye:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3861/snapshot20080201081515gl1.png

LOCKE has BLUE EYES.

Here is the eye Locke saw in Jacob's cabin in The Man Behind the Curtain:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7349/snapshot20080201080648aa9.png

My very first impression was that it was Mikhail but I figured that must be wrong.

Hurley's "nuthouse buddy" was RANDY previously his boss at MR CLUCK'S!!!! So probably not really there either.

whoa! totally didn't catch that. ok.

and hmmm... for some reason to me, that eye (the first one) looks like Jack's.

you are hallucinating this or confusing it with the end of the previous season

Desmond had a vision at the end of S3 in which Claire and Aaron are led onto a helicopter: maybe that's what you're thinking of?

(Clearly I need to watch the finale of S3 again.)

for some reason, the eye dude reminds me of harrison ford.

I'm confused though, was jeremey davies character shown before? why is everyone saying 'it's daniels'? who? what?

different guy. the guy who came to talk to Hurley in the mental ward (offering an "upgrade") plays a cop named Lt. Daniels on The Wire.

I thought that 2nd eye looked like Jacks !

nicka i'm so glad this show is back and you're here to help me watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i missed you on the John From Cincinnati thread.

anyone have seen the non-lost related political ad that played during their timeslot :"First they came for Communists, and I didn't speak up — because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for etc" , i would like to see it again on youtube...

must have been a regional ad; who was it for?

(Clearly I need to watch the finale of S3 again.)

this was just on on wednesday night and i rewatched it, so that's how I know this scene wasn't there, btw.

must have been a regional ad; who was it for?

i went like "wait, what" and didn't catch the name. i think it was a channel from detroit.

at one point the and went "and then they went for these guys (picture of gonzales and another guy) but they were really going after (picture of cheney and bush). adroit.

i enjoyed this but the #1 thing bugging me was how the hell naomi was able to crawl away unnoticed - where was rousseau when that was happening? ah well

you can sense more the show shifting from being about survival+rescue to being about the aftermath of that (for the 6 obv but will be interesting to see how it affects those who have to/choose to remain also). i like this but it does have an unsettling effect which i think is why some may not find this 8 episode run v satisfying - esp when you know people will still be on the island when series 6 ends (presumably - maybe they'll shift from day-to-day on the island in 2004/5 completely eventually). still fun to see it all play out.

my tv reception is terrible but i swear i saw a a little puff of smoke (and a wry smile from ben) when we first saw that naomi was gone.

like some supernatural type of shit instead of crawling away which makes no sense.

I thought the episode was ok, my only real beef was what Ronan said, if you compare it to the other season premieres (s2 with the hatch, s3 with the great Others Village stuff) this felt like just another prettygood midseason episode

but I'm lookin forward to seeing how it plays out

i liked the mangoes oh do you see what we did there opening

i didn't like the deviation from the usual eye-opening first shot. maybe it symbolises 'different direction, different show' thing.

I think it was also that they'd dropped such a bomb with the flashforward at the end of the last season that they had to play it a bit straighter for a bit.

curious that it be Hurley who sows seeds of doubt in Jack's mind re the cover up.

the dude who came to see him in the institution was pretty creepy, as was that whole scene. my favourite bit of the episode may have been that single "are they alive?" line.

OK second favourite bit, after Ben going "actually he didn't kill her, technically..." re Locke/Naomi

"Are they alive?" definitely best, for the desperate way that Daniels acted after he was unmasked.

When did the spinning L O S T appear? I think it might have been missing from my download.

it came up after Hurley was arrested.

i wonder why Locke wants to go to the Barracks rather than try and catch up with Alpert...oh that's right dude who plays Alpert got a part in another show so wasn't around for scenes, dammit.

Hurley's "nuthouse buddy" was RANDY previously his boss at MR CLUCK'S!!!! So probably not really there either.

-- nickalicious, Friday, 1 February 2008 16:28 (7 hours ago) Link

jebus, that's a good catch. very few people can have got this, and it's kind of important, since him recognizing charlie makes it more 'real'.

pretty bad episode -- those scenes where locke and jack face off and all the day-players mill around are always terrible.

some interesting things -- didn't jacob's hut just *disappear* after hurley walked away from it. also how far off-track did he go? if locke was in the area was he not in the hut too? i've forgotten his rationale for not trusting the rescuers. ben was fun as usual but, more than ever, i don't see what's stopping him just *saying* why the resucers are going to kill everyone.

Randy was filming Hurley's car crash at the start of the episode too?

didn't know about this - fun

didn't jacob's hut just *disappear* after hurley walked away from it. also how far off-track did he go?

it was in front of hurley, he turns 180 to back away, and it was in front of him again. so I don't think he "wandered off" and found it in physical space ... it appeared to him (after he heard the whispers)

different guy. the guy who came to talk to Hurley in the mental ward (offering an "upgrade") plays a cop named Lt. Daniels on The Wire.

I like the theory that he was Walt, only weirdly super-aged.

Gets around having a eighteen year old guy playing a 12 year old boy, anyway.

Did anyone else think Matthew Abbadon (Lance Reddick) was offering Hurley a trip back to the island?

best line: "if it's ok with you jack, i'd like to go with john"

probably not an accident that his name is Abbadon

should we have an "other black guys from OZ you would like to see on LOST" thread? 'cause i'd vote for quearns and that scary older dude that was perrineau's godfather or mentor or whatev.

probably not an accident that his name is Abbadon

also i hope for more characters named after members of venom

http://www.theblackrock.org/br2/images/stories/articles/toon-2_03.jpg

When did the spinning L O S T appear? I think it might have been missing from my download.

must have been, because that has been the title sequence for the show on every episode since it debueted

I know, that's why I was asking.

Went back and rewatched and it was indeed after Hurley's arrest. Emotionally, it's alway a nice "here we go" grounding moment for me, so I'm surprised I didn't take note of it on first viewing.

LOSTPEDIAGE:

Lost S4 EP1: Lance Reddick plays Matthew Abbadon… In Hebrew Abaddon means “destruction”. In Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11 it means “place of destruction”, or “realm of the dead”. In Revelation 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, “Angel of the Abyss”. Many biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist. A mistaken view since the angel “Abaddon” possesses the keys to the Abyss into which Satan is hurled or imprisoned, indicating that he serves as Satan’s “jailer” and must therefore be someone else.

Also Weird Side Thing…

While playing horse with Hurley, Jack gets the letters “H” and “O”. “H” is the 8th letter of the alphabet and “O” is the 15th - 815

* Behind Hurley as he’s freaking out over Abbadon there’s a small sculpture of the letters ‘HO’ on a shelf.

* Hurley mentions Charlie’s ghost showing up in the convenience store right next to the “Ho Ho’s”.

God I love Lost so much. The big 'OMG' moment for me was when Charlie slapped Hurley in the face. Is that the first time we've seen actual physical contact with one of the island apparitions? I suppose Jacob/Christian hitting Hurley in the face counts as well.

How exactly has Saeed managed to develop a small beer gut in the interim?

Anyway, I doubt anyone's getting off the island for at least 7 or 8 episodes, possibly the whole season (ie the bit they haven't written yet).

It didn't bother me that there wasn't an 'fucking hell' moment a la Desmond in the hatch because this episode was all about foreshadowing really, probably more than any other.

Is that the first time we've seen actual physical contact with one of the island apparitions?

the fat man had apparitions before he got to the island.

i wonder how the flash-forwards are going to work. although the flashbacks were random in terms of a timeline, it would make more sense for the flashforwards to operate in some kind of order. this one cam before what we saw at the end of the last series. could get complex.

Complex is good.

My ideal scenario would have the Six getting back to the island by the end of season four. They've got to go back eventually -- don't drag that out too long. By the end of the 8-episode half-season would be even better.

are the eight eps a separate thing? the strike happened relatively fast -- wasn't guaranteed that it'd last this long, etc. always a bit mysterious how far ahead they plan it out.

not sure what you mean by separate thing but I thought that was just the arbitrary number of scripts they had finished when the strike came down

re: physical contact, it looked to me like you see Charlie wind up, but when it cut to the actual slapping there was no visible hand hitting Hurley's face

I think they're just the first half of season four. I believe they were working pretty far ahead so they could finish all 16 to run without any breaks. They've probably done some creative editing to create a minor (or maybe major) cliffhanger at the end of the 8th episode, but I don't know for sure. Not knowing how long the strike will be, they'll want something mindblowing enough to keep the viewership from wandering off if the strike is REALLY long.

Why do you all keep thinking ocean 6 means only 6 got off the island. I still think maybe all of them got off and the ocean 6 is just people with special powers or something.

my friends think the 6 are the ones that sold out the rest, agreeing to keep mum in exchange for getting off the island. hence the guilt, and the need to get back

captianlorax, if you are going to troll, at least be interesting in your choice of topics

i agree with jergins' friends.

apparently the strike is gonna end soon :)

I thought about posting that after seeing the story at NYT, but I didn't want to jinx it. If the settlement falls through, it's on YOUR neck, Hurley!

Yeah, being excited about the possibility of the strike ending soon makes me realize I'm a sad little man.

Ok, the thing that bothered me about this premiere is that it was a continuation of the previous season's finale. In previous premieres, the episode has always begun with the plane crash. Is Hurley's future car crash supposed to be a stand-in for this trope?

In previous premieres, the episode has always begun with the plane crash.

Always as in Seasons 1 & 3 only.

OK, one thing that's really bugging me: I don't feel like the Desmond/Sayid/Hurley/Jin/Bernard/Sawyer faction really expressed to the rest of the Losties the whole "Not Penny's Boat" deal. It made it seem like the basis for anyone not staying with Jack was "lol, Locke's crazy, but I'm gonna trust him on this" rather than strong evidence that the people on the freighter are not who they say they are.

I would assume what with mysterious strangers rocking up pretty regularly and trying to kill, kidnap, brainwash or do strange medical things to them, maybe they aren't 100% disposed towards trusting complete strangers of somewhat murky identity? Just a hunch.

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i was happy when Naomi crawled off because i thought it was good that Locke still hadn't killed anyone but turns out he had - not that it matters to 'the island' i guess

I would assume what with mysterious strangers rocking up pretty regularly and trying to kill, kidnap, brainwash or do strange medical things to them, maybe they aren't 100% disposed towards trusting complete strangers of somewhat murky identity? Just a hunch.

erm...but that's his point! they didn't say "we have no idea who the fuck these people are Jack, Charlie wrote that it's not Penny's boat". They just kinda cried (Hurley) and vaguely alluded to Charlie.

Plus if they really believe the freighter people are dangerous then surely they would try more enthusiastically to convince Jack and co of this.

And this is also the problem, is the "evidence" on hand strong enough that they would go with Locke? Versus the allure of possible rescue? Not so sure.

lol have u been watching the show this whole time - it completely relies on exactly these sort of ridiculous omissions - people on that island dont communicate like regular folks.

nah i'm with Ronan.... they should all have been more "er why the hell would we go with the guy who ran off with the Others and just threw a fucking knife into someone's back over the good doctor Moses?"

And on that front, why the hell did they need to do the whole keeping Naomi alive, only to let her die again five minutes later?

And on that front, why the hell did they need to do the whole keeping Naomi alive, only to let her die again five minutes later?

-- Roz, Sunday, February 3, 2008 4:25 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^ realest shit out.

she climbs tree, jumps out of tree, and takes down kate (no pussycat she), and theeeeeeeeeeen... dies.

Yeah I had no idea what the point of bringing Naomi back was either. I didn't think any of the 'you're either with him or with me' stuff was that implausible. What *really* didn't make sense was that Jack would just LET BEN GO.

I didn't think any of the 'you're either with him or with me' stuff was that implausible.

it's not impluasible, just really hard to stage, with all those inert, nameless extras hanging about. it's a minor bugbear of mine.

I mean, this guy just tried to have a load of Jack's friends killed and has imprisoned him and generally acted in an arch nemesis fashion, and Jack's already done that "I want you to see us get off this island and see that you've failed" shit and then he just lets him go with the dude who's blowing up everything that could get them off the island? Mentalism.

jack was felling guilty and freaked out by the fact that he just tried to execute locke duh

bear in mind it wasn't a choice of 'Jack or Locke' so much as just better the devil you know. i like that different people had clear reasons for their choices e.g. Claire's faith in Charlie vs Rose's faith in Jack and total distrust of Locke now despite knowing if she leaves the island the cancer will probably come back.

and freaked out by the fact that he just tried to execute locke

this was fucked up! i can't believe jack really would've been prepared to shoot him the face right there in front of everybody.

i loved how locke said its not loaded in a quiet little hurt voice

lol have u been watching the show this whole time - it completely relies on exactly these sort of ridiculous omissions - people on that island dont communicate like regular folks.

yeah fair point...still. if it was a better episode I might not notice it so much. I'm still psyched for this week's though.

too right, if the flashback rumour is true

how spoily are spoliers in here before i read thread plz?

just preview stuff, or real spoilers that ruin episodes? k thx.

I don't think there are real spoilers about the rest of the season, just a lot of stuff about episode 1

jhøshea otfm

this show has always required a huge amount of willing suspension of disbelief to move the narrative along, the trade-off is the thick back story and mythology of it all. who cares if naomi crawled off, climbed a tree, jumped kate, and THEN died? who cares why people trusted hurley? spend your time w/ theories on dharma/jacob/4 toed ppl please.

also, i asked about a friend who works on the show last nite and his GF said he's "going back to work soon."

:)

Hurley did like, just save a load of people's life, it's not hard to see why they'd have trusted him.

That Hurley monologue was one of the biggest cringe-fest on that show

Sad that there was no Mamas and Papas/Petula Clark style musical opening, though I guess the fun cognitive dissonance thing was still sort of kept up by the mangoes.

Jack shooting Locke was pretty crazy. But I STILL didn't buy everyone going off with Locke, someone who has a known, obsessive agenda to NOT LEAVE THE ISLAND.

I was completely thrown by the editing of the Jacob's hut/Hurley scene, though this thread has helped, thanks!

they're not trusting in Locke, they're trusting in former heroin addict Charlie

they're trusting a guy who, as he was drowning, scribbled something about Penny, who most of the Losties have probably never even heard about.

locke didn't explain why the rescuers are dangerous. nor did ben. nor, really, did desmond. maybe sayid will torture ben to get the truth, at some point.

xpost

exactly.

unrelated: Should we assume that Oceanic rep is just a product of Hugo's imagination? The whole exchange "here are your meds Hugo, oh and by the way, there's a creepy guy in a suit wanting to see you" seemed kinda weird.

i'm sure he's real but he's not from Oceanic

xpost that's because all any of them have to go on in Charlie's note, and they know it was Charlie who enabled the contact. or in Ben's case, whether he knows anything about them or not he knows that anyone coming to the island is a problem for him.

I think the creepy guy in the suit is probably one of The Bad Guys. We'll be seeing him again for sure.

well Ben might know who they are and not want to reveal it because it tells the losties too much about the island.

yeah god forbid!

What's the state-of-the-art thinking on how it might be explained that people back home think the flight's wreck was discovered with no survivors?

(according to Naomi, at least)

I think the creepy guy in the suit is probably one of The Bad Guys. We'll be seeing him again for sure.

So do we think we're dealing with a third faction now? or maybe that the Dharma guys have undergone a transition from loveable hippies to word-domination-or-bust creepsters?

what about Mittelos? what are they doing about having lost contact with people like Richard on the island?

What's the state-of-the-art thinking on how it might be explained that people back home think the flight's wreck was discovered with no survivors?

The scene with Hurley and the cop might give us a clue. The fact that Hurley pretended not to know Ana Lucia kind of tells us the extent of the Oceanic 6's secret. There's a theory going around that the Six's "official" story is that they survived by floating on bits of plane wreckage while everyone else on the plane drowned. So, as far as the real world is concerned, they never met or knew anyone else on 815.

anyway, so far that's the best theory I've read on that.

Yeah, I imagine that when those Six got rescued, they sensed that the rescue crew was after something more than just survivors on an island and decided to "protect" the others by claiming that they somehow got out of the decoy plane Naomi mentionned.

OK, though Naomi said that all the dead were accounted for. What happened when the relatives weren't supplied with the bodies for funerals?

did she say they were accounted for or just that there were no survivors?

what are you guys on about? naomi told the people on the island that the rest of the world had been told there were no survivors. we don't know what the world was actually told? in any case they are presumably the 'ocenanic six', ie a big deal, because their survival is a kind of miracle. you wouldn't get many buriable corpses out of a plane wot crashed into the sea.

Lostpedia sez: Both Naomi Dorrit and Anthony Cooper claimed that the wreckage was found off the coast of Bali, and that all the passengers' bodies were there.

According to the Find815 ARG, the plane was discovered deep in the Sunda Trench of the coast of Bali by a marine salvage crew aboard the Christiane I. In an interview, expedition leader Oscar Talbot said it was unlikely that the bodies on plane, at that depth, could ever be recovered.

if the plane did an emergency landing on water, i guess people could have got out, in this scenario. but if it crashed into the water, it would explode.

i do recall Naomi saying 'they found bodies' with the plane...or am i imagining it?

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OK, that makes sense I suppose. I suppose Find815 is canonical.

In the actual show, I think Naomi just said that cameras and robots found all the bodies somewhere in a ridge off Bali, not that the bodies couldn't be recovered.

Is Naomi lying or was she just lied to?

Details at http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Naomi

Penny gave Charlie the impression that Naomi did not work for her by stating, "I'm not on a boat. Who's Naomi?"

argh! good point lostpedia. naomi never met penny and it's not certain penny would know the names of everyone in the outfit. and she had a book in portugese linking her with penny's dudes.

my hunch is that jim robinson is behind the boat.

xpost If it was deep enough that they needed robots to find it, then presumably the bodies couldn't be recovered. I don't think Naomi's lying, I think that's what the outside world believes, just based on the Oceanic Six not being upfront over what really happened to them.

If she was lying, then she was lying because of whatever her team is doing on the island... I mean, they're bad guys, right?

I want Paul Robinson to be behind the whole thing.

Do we actually know why Hugo was being chased? Was it just because he was running away fro the ho-ho stand at the local 7/11?

all he wanted was Desmond away from his daughter tho - so wouldn't be behind any attempt to rescue him without her knowing. if he has any other connection to the island we wouldn't know about it right?

Charles Widmore of the Widmore Corporation - their balloon = Henry Gale's balloon, also manufactures all of the pregnancy tests used on the show.

I think Hugo was chased because he ran away without paying and knocked over a bunch of stuff at the 7e.

Jim Robinson's going to be on Torchwood lols.

It would be cooler if Scott Robinson was behind the whole thing. His mullet seemed sinister.

They should totally open up a Lassiter's on the island.

Bouncer could replace Vincent in the castaway's hearts.

OMG, Paul left Ramsay Street to run the Lassiter's in HAWAII. It all fits!

Bouncer could replace Vincent in the castaway's hearts.

Vincent *is* Bouncer

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/Z/R/-/-/Hurley_Vincent.jpg
http://mch3w.ch.man.ac.uk/org/JDS/personalfiles/dan/stefan/cast1989.jpg

loling that only stefan dennis is identified.

is Mrs Mangel still alive?

i figured Hurley was chased for speeding (because he just ran off but didn't take what he was going to pay for - or maybe he did that too).

the rozzers overreacted a bit, with the guns and whatnot.

And the TV would broadcast this as "breaking news"?

well he is a celebrity

like, twice over (lotto winner and now mysterious crash survivor)

Probably a really minor one though. I think only Britney would get that kind of coverage. xp

It wasn't a celebrity thing. The chase was originally just being broadcast on local news as an exciting police chase. The TV reporter said they didn't know who was driving.

no but the police might've known who he was (recognised by store clerk?) hence their heavy presence.

ahhh i've missed this ridiculous focus on trivial details

I guess they probably would put that sort of thing on the air in LA.

Dangerous driving, speeding and wanton destruction of mangoes. Initially I thought he had actually stolen the car too...

Weird though, you'd think Hurley would be bit more blase about seeing people who are dead/not really there by now.

Apparently in the US they regularly interrupt programs to show exciting police chases, so seems plausible I guess.

the car was the one his Dad, Cheech, gave him as a kid - in case y'all missed it.

I saw a video on Youtube that showed a news report in which a robot submarine finds flight 815 submerged in an ocean trench, fully intact. They say that bodies were visible, though you don't see actual faces. Don't know where the video came from, but it looked well-produced enough that I think it's canonical.

Perhaps it's a real news report???

Jesse that's a fan-made video. Should say so in the info.

nerds

Was it?? Wow. It looked expensive. Fuckers.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Flight_815_wreckage#Mystery_of_the_submerged_wreckage

also, missed this: Guilty plea in Lost hostage case

Maybe something on the island works as a cloning device, so there are two versions of the plane and its passengers.

Guys I think one of the more significant things about the Jacob's cabin scene in this episode was, when it appeared a second time in front of him while he was running away from it, the FRONT DOOR OPENED. Whatever was going on there, I think Jacob WANTED Hurley for something.

Also I think when Naomi said "tell my sister I love her" that was actually code for "pst these people are FUCKED UP y'all, don't forget to bring yr GUNS".

Naomi is full of shit with her "I try to rescue you and this is how you repay me" crap. addled crash survivors always getting tarnished with the same brush.

lol @ britishers not understanding why theyd broadcast a high-speed car chase

Isn't that really fucking annoying though, you're watching your favourite program then suddenly "some douchebag is on the run on Interstate 305" just at a really intrsting part? Or do they only do it on certain channels?

"some douchebag is on the run on interstate 305" is always better than even the most interesting parts of your favorite tv shows

car chases shaped a generation. OJ SIMPSON NEVAR FORGET

did they interrupt coerage of the '94 World Cup for the OJ chase or have i been lied to?

I would have thought that in a hierarchy of things American TV executives consider too important to interrupt, the World Cup would appear quite low.

I think they may have interrupted the OJ chase a few times to show some soccer scores or something, that may be what you're thinking about.

it was happening in the US then tho. i remember there being some annoyance that the OJ story breaking when it did kinda diverted some media attention from the tournament's opening.

back to now, or at least 2004, it's surely now Christmas Day on Lost Island - doesn't Mynkowksi have a turkey to baste?

the way I remember it it was the basketball playoffs that got interrupted live ... after a while they went back to the action and showed the OJ chase in split-screen (lol)

Also I think when Naomi said "tell my sister I love her" that was actually code for "pst these people are FUCKED UP y'all, don't forget to bring yr GUNS".

yeah that occurred to me too. I kind of wondered why she would cover for the island people .... I guess she acted that way for Kate's benefit so Kate wouldn't run off and sound the alarm ....

Speaking of Christmas, didn't they say they were going to tackle the tsunami in some way? I've lost track of where the island is supposed to be in the map though.

the way I remember it it was the basketball playoffs that got interrupted live ... after a while they went back to the action and showed the OJ chase in split-screen (lol)

Yep. Knicks vs. Rockets, I believe.

it's day 93, they crashed on 24? september: it's gotta be real soon rite?

from a blog on the writer's strike:

<i>"I can happily report to you that Lost Filming has resumed! More to follow...."</i>

GOOD NEWS.

I thought that the reason Naomi didn't die was because whoever her sister is will tie in to future episodes - but I also like the point raised above that it could be code.

Did anyone else think it was rather weird that Rose ("You and I know there is something special about this island, John..") would say she wants to leave with Jack rather than stay on the island and, you know, NOT DIE OF CANCER? I know Locke has been acting erratic but Rose is supposed to be the only one who knows that Locke can only walk because of the island...

I had a Lost dinner party for this episode and all my friends were talking over the characters - thank God for closed captioning! I also printed some of those labels out:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2235219876_b6e31f321b.jpg?v=0

If the link still works, you can download a zip file of many different Dharma labels here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7w7oq3

What I don't get is why Jack - a DOCTOR - would leave Naomi lying there with a knife in her and just assume she was dead without tending to her, since he thought she was one of the good guys. What am I missing?

-- Maria :D, Friday, February 1, 2008 4:42 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Link

hahaha good point.

the writing on this show can be SO lazy. especially with crowd scenes and information-transmitting b/w characters and stuff like that.

from a blog on the writer's strike:

<i>"I can happily report to you that Lost Filming has resumed! More to follow...."</i>

GOOD NEWS.

-- Clay, Monday, February 4, 2008 2:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

the CREW PARKING sign was out down the street from the studio when i drove past today!

Apparently Jack did tend to Naomi in the S3 finale but must've just figured her for dead?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1995.jpg

"Strong heartbeat...but, naaaah, she's done, let's move on here."

it could be one of those things like rose's cancer where the island healed her stab wound... and then hardsonned her all over again.

while she was lying there stabbed she was bit by a temporary paralysis spider

he seems to be grabbing her ass there.

that's what I thought. she is quite pretty.

ya i was said when she re-died because i have had a huge crush on her since las vegas.

what happens in vegas stays in vegas

hahaha oops sorry!

was that like a real-life spoiler?

i don't the writing is ever lazy (if they were lazy they wouldn't have so many things going on), just occasionally inconsistent and slack in perhaps failing to often match the ambitiousness of it all.

sorry steve but do you mean if they were lazy they'd write the show about people sitting on the beach scratching and yawning, and eating dharma crisps?

but since they are active they write the show about people running around the place?

they do seem kind of lazy to me in that they don't bother joining stuff together. lazy/opportunist.

haha blueski's logic is lazy

my take is that there are only so many minutes in an episode/pages in a script.

its a show that is about several different characters, each with a thick backstory, surviving in a mysterious place with a mythology all its own.

its not a show about people moving from point a to point fucking b on the island.

so as a viewer you suspend a little disbelief wrt things like people going with hurley even though there wasnt a five minute scene where he and desmond explained the "not penny's boat" thing with convincing arguments and debate style.

jeez

i think they're just throwing a bunch of shit out there and seeing what sticks. the writers are really good at WTF holy crappo moments but the follow-through can be wanting. much like, and i've said it before, the ol' x-files.

i don't the writing is ever lazy (if they were lazy they wouldn't have so many things going on), just occasionally inconsistent and slack in perhaps failing to often match the ambitiousness of it all.

-- blueski, Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

also blueski = too lazy to type the word "think." now that's lazy.

gr8080 OTM; so much story, so little time.

Heroes is exhibit A of lazy writing.

so as a viewer you suspend a little disbelief wrt things like people going with hurley even though there wasnt a five minute scene where he and desmond explained the "not penny's boat" thing with convincing arguments and debate style.

hold up there Lost High Priest, we're all watching it and regularly suspending disbelief, and enjoying it, but it's no harm to say if something is PARTICULARLY badly handled which happens sometimes in Lost. Not least in last week's episode where it stood out more with not as much genuine action to detract from it.

I mean, they had a 5 minute scene of other reaction and persuasion, there really wasn't that much action in last week's episode.

Yeah the whole Hurley "he was my friend" tearjerker could have been nicely replaced by some discussion on whether the rescue team were to be trusted

Then we'd be complaining that no one seemed to give a shit about Charlie!

Also y'know, it's not really in the interest of the audience to have them recapping things everyone has already seen.

'lazy writing' just seems the wrong term. laziness implies you're aware of how much more/better you could do, and that you're capable and that it's feasible given the already huge demands and scope of the work.

maybe they're just not good enough writers...

personally i think they do it all on purpose

Then we'd be complaining that no one seemed to give a shit about Charlie!

showing them giving a shit about Charlie, AND being desperate to persuade the others that what he did casts real doubt over the newcomers are two things that could easily be combined. it'd be a conflict, it'd be way more interesting. they're writers, these sorts of cocktails of emotions are what they're supposed to be able to do.

I actually don't feel as strongly about it as it now seems I do, but it's okay to have reservations with how they deal with a scene in Lost, they can be clunky and I thought that scene in particular was really frustrating and poorly written.

v little of significance or substance was said. I think the problem is that if they got too frenzied annoyed you'd be like "well he just wrote on his hand 'not penny's boat" which in itself isn't actually that significant or probably wouldn't persuade ANYONE not to chance going home.

so they had to kind of fudge it and just let nobody go one way or the other....

Lets forget about it and all go for oysters on the pier.

wonder if we'll manage 500 posts per ep...

no need to spend horus on this, but yeah I can forgive shortcuts for the sake of pace, but teh whole Hurley monologue just seemed pointless and a waste of (precious) TV time

although the charlie scene was teh awesomes, i hope we've seen the last of the punchable hobbitface now.

I guess we're gonna have a Kate flash-forward next?

I'm more interested in more ben/annie flashbaction. So much OTHERS stuff left untold at the moment.

Kate off the island is potentially the best, definitely, considering she's wanted for murder and stuff. Jin and Sun "what did you do with the watch motherfucker?" action could be cool too.

They might wanna wait before doing a Kate ffwd, so as not to reveal too early the identity of whoever was waiting for her back home when she met up with jack.

I hope it was Ed Mars twin brother.

what do you suppose Firefly dude did when he found out Kate was a fugitive? could've used his police powers to try and find her or erase her file. maybe we'll never hear of him again but we never knew how much support Ed Mars had in his quest to bring her to justice - maybe he was acting with very little of it from his own superiors.

Since he's on crappy Desperate Housewives now I doubt we'll see Nathan Fillion again.

Which is a SHAME.

Speaking of the Others, aren't there like 30+ of them still hiding on the island? Do you guys think we'll ever see them - incl eyelashioed immortal Richard Alpert - again? I'm hoping eventually whoever doesn't go back (Jack Kate Hurley ???) meets up with them to form Craphole Island Militia Squad.

Ben/Annie flashback YES
Danielle/her team flashback PLEASE
Richard Alpert 200 years ago flashback THIS IS NECESSARY

i don't expect to see them again until episode 9 or beyond that sadly.

The Alpbert actor is appearing in something else right now isn't he? I heard he wouldn't be appearing until the second half of the series anyway. Most of the Big Bad Others have been wiped out now though haven't they?

the one that hurt me most was Greta

the whole mystery with Cindy has totally fizzled out now. i guess they just stuck her in the drum n' bass room til she swore alliegance.

I really need to get past the fact that every time I see Alpert on screen I feel the need to yell BATMANUEL from his time spent on the live action tick

The Alpbert actor is appearing in something else right now isn't he?

I thought he was just on CANE which should soon be shitcanned if it hasn't happened already

haha, I still call him BATMANUEL too.

I never saw The Tick movie, so I always think of him as the not-very-smooth photographer dude from Suddenly Susan.

Oh shit. This is getting good again. Why the cocktease last week?

THE MOLE

instead of giving clues as to which person is ben's mole, they should hide a secret message in the lost logo explicitly revealing their identity in the second last episode.

I love this fucking show.

This is the first season I've had a chance to watch Lost in real time. Previous years have seen me envious of those that could watch the "Next Time" promos, but that announcer and his scripts are so horrible, I think I'm going to actively avoid them.

Also, Awesome anytime a polar bear makes an appearance. And I'm glad Locke's first question was about the smoke monster.

Land before time?

That photo of Ben is awesome.

wow. good one

"and it probably would have killed me if I still had a kidney" lolol

Is Oceanic a front for some other enterprise? Nah, that's probably too far-fetched.

"Who are we to question taller ghost Walt?"

Oceanic is a front for Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.

yes, we should totally discount theories which are too far-fetched

"let's just go along with this and see what happens"

i feel like a game was changed there.

I felt like a game was changed when they found a polar bear with a dharma hydra collar in the tunisian desert. in the past.

I guess abbadon is trying to avenge the dudes that ben and alpert killed? box fulla gas masks to protect from the gas ben used on the original dharmas. or the mysterious island virus.

god this show is so ridic, I love it

this should have been the season premiere; so much stronger than last week's ep.

also, is it just me, or could Matthew Fox totally play Romney in a few years?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/images/celebritology/jack1.jpg http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/romney3.jpg

What a great episode! I like the crabby ghostbuster.

thats the kid that was running game with uncle junior in the nuthouse!!!

he was awesome.

wasn't he in the last x-men movie too?

(he was awesome. the new characters were cool in general.)

Yeah, I like all four of these cast additions.

finally an honest to goodness drunk on this godforsaken island

kept waiting for smokey, especially when new dude was over naomi's body

"the quality...of the light..."

i don't like the psychic, but that's only because i don't like psychics in fiction

yeah wtf was last week's shitfest about, this was REAL Lost, laughter, screaming at the screen etc.

Was I the only one who found Locke standing in the rain ridiculous and hilarious. I mean for god's sake I think we all know now, HE LOVES THE ISLAND AND KNOWS IT LIKE A BROTHER.

I can't stand this Charlotte character, she is the new Ana Lucia. I was disgusted when she was still alive after being shot.

also her first entire scene might as well have been rewritten as "I AM BRITISH AND HAUGHTY I AM BRITISH AND HAUGHTY I AM BRITISH AND HAUGHTY I AM BRITISH AND HAUGHTY"

I was disgusted when she was still alive after being shot.

Me too. She was very annoying.

Yay to ghostbusters, though. He even had a vacuum.

yeah this was great. I particularly liked that Ghostbuster Miles shakes down gangster ghosts for their hidden monies with a dustbuster. And polar bear in Tunisia was good. I kept thinking that the found wreckage of 815 is some kind of quantum physics experiment making duplicates ala The Prestige, but the pilot's ring thing kind of threw that off. I also like that every time Locke thinks he knows what he's doing it all goes to hell and someone gets shot and/or killed.

Daniel Faraday?? Aw, come on!

Michael Faraday studied the magnetic field around a conductor carrying a DC electric current, and established the basis for the magnetic field concept in physics. He discovered electromagnetic induction, diamagnetism and electrolysis. He established that magnetism could affect rays of light and that there was an underlying relationship between the two phenomena.

I like the fact that the writer's respect the audience enough to pick up on a reference to a 19th century physicist.

I wonder if someone will use a Faraday cage to isolate themselves from island effects.

Was I the only one who found Locke standing in the rain ridiculous and hilarious.

I am convinced they have stock footage of that shot from the first season and they just pop it in an episode when they need to fill some time.

Ben + computer photograph was hilarious.

Also why do drunks on TV shows always dress like Jimmy Buffet?

so after the episode I was all "omg how can Ben have someone on their boat" but I think my wife guessed right on her first try .... Michael

sent off on a boat with coordinates to who knows what, and he owes Ben a favor

"Fuck this island, this isn't Margaritaville! You lied to me!"

sent off on a boat with coordinates to who knows what, and he owes Ben a favor

yeah after murdering two people to free Ben versus being allowed his freedom he really has a lot of making up to do for that generous Linus guy.

(not shooting down that theory though, could be Michael)

I actually think he's bullshitting re: having someone on the boat. He knows he's a lot more valuable if he has information and could possibly get new information than if he just has information.

was walt not taller simply because locke was looking up at him from a pit of corpses?

I'm thinking Michael too.

It's great that after the premiere episode I was expecting a special forces strike team and it's just a bunch of postdocs from PEAR lol.

and agreed: charlotte is v annoying

also agreed: ben pic was lol

x-post Maybe Ben was lying, though the fact it's revealed as the last part of the episode makes me think he's telling the truth.

no they are trying to explain why walt is now four years older despite only 100 or so days passing on the island. xxp

btw how did they get a picture of Ben? Is there a mole on the island too? Many moles.

has anybody pointed out that they're definitely after Jacob too, since why else bring a literal ghostbuster?

allright not owes a favor so much as there's nothing to stop Ben from piling on more conditions for his freedom

also funny: locke straight up asking ben questions for us!

locke: what's the smoke monster?!

*we all lean in*

ben: i don't know.

*doh! too easy*

more than anything I love Locke being all, "That's right. I'm magic. I have visions. Don't believe me. I don't fucking care."

also Lostpedia claims Daniel Faraday was originally called Russell Faraday, which is a reference to The Stand.

yeah Locke is hilarious...that stupid fucking smile on his face, I wish he'd say "I'm totally fucking demented by this island, and it's great!" or "I just knifed somebody and there's nothing anyone can do!" with that wonderful glimmer in his eye.

I liked how sawyer told karl "don't let ben get to ya kid" and then was pounding him within about 3 seconds

aaaaahhhhh awesome episode.

lol is pilot Seth Norris Greg Grunberg with a mo?

Ben's taken what, four or five separate beatings in the last three episodes? He's going to go off on somebody when he gets untied. Also, getting thrown down and whooped on doesn't seem to be popping his stitches, lucky him.

lol is pilot Seth Norris Greg Grunberg with a mo?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm looking for a screencap of that mustachioed photo. At first I thought that Frank was saying that the photo they were showing was not the Seth Norris he knew.

Michael as Ben's man? More likely he & Walt were picked up by Daniels' people & he fingered Ben as the leader of the Others. Where the photo came from I dunno.

Hmmm. I guess.

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I meant to link to this.

No I don't think so...I have to say I reckon the arrival of the freighter dudes is related to the initial murders/gassings that Ben played a part in.

I guess it's possible they didn't know that that was Ben until getting to the island, but I'm not sure.

Another question: what is the significance of Lapidus being convinced that the pilot was not actually the actual pilot, and being meant to have flied the plane?

Was he selected to go to the island as a result of this?

I sort of assumed that Lapidus didn't fly the plane originally because he's a big old drunk.

I reckon the arrival of the freighter dudes is related to the initial murders/gassings that Ben played a part in.

would explain the gas masks.

I'm more wondering why C.S. Lewis was so convinced the plane in the trench wasn't 815.

Was he selected to go to the island as a result of this?

maybe that's why smokey chomped the other pilot straight off, he wasn't meant to be on the island

One thing I really liked about this episode is that it gave us flashbacks to the Freighter Crew as soon as we met them, in contrast to the beginning of Season 3, when the Others' insistence on secrecy was frustrating after a few episodes.

maybe that's why smokey chomped the other pilot straight off, he wasn't meant to be on the island

yeah that's kind of what I was wondering.

I can't wait til cranky ghostbuster starts talking to Jacob or Christian.

This episode was awesome.

So if they were looking for Ben, what was Naomi doing with that picture of Desmond/Penny?

They suspected that Desmond was on the island and hoped to use him to achive finding Ben, maybe?

i've always wanted an all-action/no flashback episode, and this was damn close

xp I think Kelvin must be involved somehow.

i love that ben's "everyone on this island will die" actually means "i will die"

So if they were looking for Ben, what was Naomi doing with that picture of Desmond/Penny?

yeah I'm not sure about that one. another interesting bit was the scene between Naomi and Abbadon. "what if we find 815 survivors?" "there are no survivors." "but what if .. " "there ARE NO survivors." hmm.

i thought pre-crash naomi was kind of hawt.

Interesting tidbit for comics fans from Mark Coale at The Beat.

* Last night was a BKV episode and it’s hard to ignore what appears to be a big comic-inspired part of the plot. But… Are they the FF or the Challengers of the Unknown?

BKV = Brian K. Vaughan

i thought pre-crash naomi was kind of hawt.

you mean, even hawter

when they found Miles I was seriously expecting them to find Kelvin's body too.

So ... OK. The freighter people's mission is to find Ben. So why does Naomi concoct this story that Penny sent her to find Desmond? What good does this do? Jack would've gladly led her to Ben. Moreover, how does the freighter crew even know that Desmond is there?

if she was operating on the assumption that there were no plane survivors, she would have to assume that everyone on the island was an ally of Ben's

so, who can explain this season so far in, like, two sentences or less?

xp But they clearly knew about Desmond, too, right? Enough to make it seem like that's why they were there, anyway. Did they think he might be an ally of Ben's, too?

I dunno, I'm just guessing. maybe "we were sent by Penny to look for Desmond" is a cover story that they thought Ben would buy.

That would make more sense if Desmond wasn't actually on the island, though, and they'd just said, "Oh we heard a news report about some woman looking for a guy who disappeared in the South Pacific, so we thought it might be on this island, whoops guess we were wrong." Unless it's a big coincidence that he actually is on the island, but then I'd have thought that Naomi would be more surprised to see him. This is really bothering me right now.

i like that they used this episode to tell the backstory of the helicopter people, instead of making four very long episodes. good job on that.

i was at the edge of my seat when locke asked what the smoke monster is...i guess we'll never know.

OK, I think maybe I was mistakenly assuming that if the freighter crew were really there for Ben that would mean that their intentions toward the Losties were good. My theory now is that they do plan to kill everyone on the island (that's what the gas masks are for), and that's why Naomi wanted to make sure there weren't any Flight 815 survivors on the island. But now that they're there, they have to carry out their mission.

Charlotte went to the same university as me, and I don't remember anyone else there with that shit a British accent.

Best lolling moment of that episode = the geeky trash talking between Saeed and Max.

"I collect soil samples"

"Oh that's nice"

Rebecca Mader was born in Cambridge!

great moment: the deus ex machina/ sike! the writers pulled making us think locke had healed anthropologist lady when it was just a bulletproof vest.

So I'm wondering if the angry ghostbuster might be able to, like, understand the whispers maybe. Which would be great.

THIS WAS AN AMAZING EPISODE

the english chick is a local lass, it seems. i don't think she's had the pleasure tho.

"Who are we to question taller ghost Walt?"

awesome

I felt like a game was changed when they found a polar bear with a dharma hydra collar in the tunisian desert.

this shit just reminded me of the end of the X-Files movie. cool tho.

i'm not annoyed by charlotte because they seem to have tried so hard to make us be exactly that i mean whatever - bringing her in just to kill her off in same episode would be pointless (except a bit funny)

michael (and/or walt) being 'the man on the boat' seemed most obvious - tho the reasons totally aren't

why do i think Lapidus IS Jacob?

I can't wait til cranky ghostbuster starts talking to Jacob or Christian.

OMG yay i can picture it out - Locke getting all miffed in the process

hopefully at some point Lapidus will see "aha! a backdoor!"

Lawnmower Man is actually on right now but i'm not watching it

This was the first episode that I had to watch again immediately after seeing it.

I was thrown by the flashbacks of the new characters as I thought that the flashbacks were now flashforwards, ie all the island scenes take place in the 'past'. It took me a while to figure out that they were going to keep flashing back to before the island as well.

I love how Locke's most important question is the smoke monster and if he can't get closure on that Ben might as well die.

Another question: what is the significance of Lapidus being convinced that the pilot was not actually the actual pilot, and being meant to have flied the plane?

it's some 9/11 reptiloids sinking a fake airliner full of dead clones shit, for real

so

whatever happens, the oceanic 6 HAVE to get off the island by some means contrary to the four new people's agenda.

if the four were hired by Abbadon, and the O6 get off the island, where Abbadon visits Hurley and tries to get him to go somewhere else, Abbadon never wanted anyone off the island?

i like the theory that the 6 cut a deal w/the bad guys

not sure if this has been brought up but why is kate free in the flash forwards - shes wanted by the law no?

all part of whatever deal they cut?

I felt like a game was changed when they found a polar bear with a dharma hydra collar in the tunisian desert.

this shit just reminded me of the end of the X-Files movie. cool tho.

I like the fact that they just had to brush away a little gravel to find it. "Errrm, we were going to get to that spot tomorrow."

it's a slow science.

great ambush scene. good to see sayid taking names.

So we can assume Mike and Walt didn't make very far? Either that or they assumed fake identities because no one in the outside went "plane with no survivors but err what about this dude and his kid walking around?"

Unlikely they're on the boat though because surely the drunk pilot guy knew the names of everyone on there? Unless its assumed names again.

More likely that Charlotte is the mole because she seemed to recognise the Dharma symbol and she'll be able to spring Ben and let him escape at some point.

Also that helicopter is so blowing up within the next few episodes.

erm.....but he shot her!

i think michael is the likely mole. let's throw outselves a bone on this one. we know he's in the series. we know he made a deal with ben.

on the other hand maybe ben is shitting them about the mole and he knows about charlotte in some other way. amazing he could just reel it off, all her details; how were these communicated to him?

i guess he could have shot her knowing she had a vest -- nothing's too far-fetched -- but it's a hell of a risk.

lol at ben's banter with carl. 'u knobbing my daughter.'

xpost: yeah, maybe he knew she had a vest? I thought it was odd that she didn't seem to recognise Ben, even though her team's mission is to find him.

shooting someone with a pistol is never an exact science; a few inches off and he'd have hit her throat or face.

WE SHALL SEE

Maybe Ben shot her because he thought she'd outlived her usefulness? He's not exactly bothered about killing his own people. Haha this is bollocks.

I suppose it's possible Ben could have known about the boat for a while and sent Mike and Walt there deliberately, or that they ended up in the underwater hatch somehow and got primed.

I suppose its possible they (Dharma/Others/whoever) has some sort of device that's linked to the island and can send anyone round the world/through space and time. It would explain polar bears in the desert/on the island, pirate ships appearing in the middle of the island, Locke's dad turning up, people having to be blindfolded on the submarine etc. That probably went up with the submarine though.

Hang on blindfolded and sedated on the submarine. Maybe the submarine was just a massive decoy.

if there is a mole, there must have been a frequency that would allow them to communicate with ben before charlie shut off the jamming signal. or maybe that's what greta and bonnie were doing - talking to the mole on the outside.

there's two other people on that boat btw, minkowski and regina.

gr8 ep.

ben's "kaaaaarl" = lolz
tall ghost walt = hueg lolz
best line: "WAHT IS TEH MONSTER?", purely for its childlike simplicity.

i like Faraday. he said "good people". not heard that for a while.

Anyone else think those treasure hunters who found the fake 815 wreckage were actually looking for the Black Rock?

xpost yeah i like spacey Faraday too. Naomi called him a headcase, I wonder why? I bet he used to be a patient at Santa Rosa.

according to the ARG thingy, yep they were looking for the Black Rock. And that project was funded by none other than the Widmore Corp.

jeremy davies is always like that.

heh the only thing I remember him from is "Saving Private Ryan" talking about Edith Piaf.

but why would they think the Black Rock would be off the Indonesian coast?

Dharma having a Tunisian testbed is fair enough but weird for the Hydra symbol to be included - exciting tho.

i find it odd how Hanso still hasn't been mentioned by any of the characters since...Kelvin? is he supporting Abbadon's mission to 'reclaim' the island/bring down Ben?

i actually missed a big chunk of this episode because home internet was shit yesterday and no torrent completed. had to download it in 5 parts some dude put up on youtube, but couldn't get the second part. desperate times.

Writers. producers reach tentative deal :)
http://www.variety.com/VR1117980589.html

L O S T

Guys the look on Ben's face when Hurley mentioned the cabin! Priceless.

Love the new people. Did anyone else think Faraday's ladyfriend back in Massachussetts was maybe (getting far-fetched with my gut reactions) an alternate timeline Libby? It sounded like her voice, and she was supposedly from Boston or something right?

I hope they have a throwaway scene on the beach where Ghostbuster Miles accidentally stands near the graves and hears a faint ghost voice "I'm Scott, not Steve!".

I love how well Ben has (apparently) replaced Hurley & Charlie as the "comic relief".

I loved this episode (also does the Fantastic Four comparison mean that Lapidus is Thing?) but have one big time complaint: WHERE THE HELL IS DESMOND. You'd think he'd want to have something to do with meeting these people considering they had a picture of him & his girl.

My friend claims that one of the new guys, possibly Daniel, had pictures of Sawyer and Bernard on them? I didn't notice this but it would make sense.

I just read this on a forum, and I thought the poster had a great point.

If you check out the shots of the photos on the wall before and after Miles pops upstairs, the frames and locations of the photos are different. I think this is way too subtle for the audience to catch, so I'm chalking it up to set dressing/continuity error, but it is weird.

i noticed they focussed on the wall more than normal -- i figured we were meant to recgnize the kid from somewhere. so that's intersting.

the first time i saw Daniel in his flashback i thought it was Paolo

I'm convinced everything they do (such as the pictures on the wall above) is completely deliberate. Whether or not it will ever tie in to any other part of the story is the real question.

ghost boy photo is Eko?

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/ghost-boy-house-photos.html

i liked this episode a lot.

it did kind of drive me crazy that when ben was like "they're looking for me!" locke didn't go "WHY WTF IS GOING ON" and instead asked "how do you know?"

JUST SAY WHY FOR ONCE LOSTIES.

ghost boy photo is Eko?

Or Lost boards continuing the "we can't tell one black actor from another" trend?

This is going to be my new avatar.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6vf38BE6gI/AAAAAAAATZk/CKjtHhkutUs/s1600-h/ben.jpg

Whoops.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2253992774_ced588551c_o.jpg

WOAH

i tried out the 'boy in picture is eko' theory tonight and people FREAKED

looks like an airport?

xpost

I like how boring he looks in that photo. Kind of like how they had Locke working at a BOX FACTORY pre-island.

Yeah it does look like he's going thru customs at an airport. The weird thing is that he stares into the camera

i had a half-second of excitement thinking the ben picture related to locke's vision/dream of the airport. but he wasn't so snazzily dressed in that.

Kid in the photo is so not Eko. I'm pretty sure Eko didn't have a present-day teenage bedroom somewhere in America with money and drugs hidden in.

Ben looks like your tech support guy.

Ben looks like Fred Schneider.

TS captions for that Ben photo: Sup vs What Me Worry?

Wasn't the original Henry Gale a black guy? Maybe ghost boy is him. I remember something being said about how in this series they were going to address how he got to the island and was killed by Ben.

sheesh people there's more than one black guy.

maybe the secret of the island is that there is only one black guy

...and his name is Jacob

i think the focus on the wall of pictures definetly has more to do with the frame changing than the picture of the boy. likely something to do with alternate space-time-continuum shit.

^^^ Yes!

Ben looks like Fred Schneider.

The smoke monster is actually stored in his pants.

We were at the beach
Everybody had matching towels
Somebody went under a dock
And there they saw a rock
It wasn't a rock
It was a rock lobster

So what I'm wondering is was that picture of Ben taken on the island (either during DHARMA days or otherwise), or has he actually left the island at some point? Latter is likely (esp. if some of the spoilers about the next few eps are true) but I dunno I always imagined Ben being all "I CAN'T LEAVE THE ISLAND."

that's what he wants you to think

ya it really seems to imply that he actually has.

i really like how banal the picture is.

harold p was in the credits, so i was a bit miffed that michael didn't appear at last. still great ep. and so relieved to be finally watching it on real telly. ads and everything. ace

(mentioned in passing up thread). CS Lewis!?! wtf?

I can't wait until Dan gets to try all his Ghostbuster shit out on Smokey.

Not Dan, Max, right?

miles

Oohhh I love Lost again!
Was a bit apprehensive about them bringing MORE people to the island, I wanted them to keep it old-skool, but this was awesome.

Big lols with WHAT IS THE MONSTER?? and Hurley's lame 'oh I thought you meant the plane cabin'.
First shot of Locke in the rain looked like he was taking a piss.
What was the significance of Miles saying 'don't tell them my last name'? He's not related to anyone on there, is he? I guess it's just paranoia.

Been rewatching season 3, and I'm having trouble figuring out the relationship of the Others to Dharma – there's a purge, everybody from Dharma on the island is killed, but the Others/Hostiles not only take over the organization on the island, but in the outside world as well – Ben commands false front companies, can get submarines on and off the island. He's got resources which can't come from Hanso or Widmore. Where's he getting this backing? Unless it is Widmore. I dunno.

counterfeit money research station.

Oh, yeah, you mean "The Swag"

What was the significance of Miles saying 'don't tell them my last name'?

Miles Straume = sounds like 'maelstrom'?

that's what he wants you to think

-- tehresa, Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:21 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

the first thing i thought when i saw the photo of Ben was that he's been lying about some things and was EXACTLY like Locke at one point in his life and was a loser in a loser job. this, o f course, ignores the fact that an entire episode of flashbacks showed his birth and childhood on the island, but still.

Actually that might solve my problem a few posts ago – Ben seizes control of the island, but has to leave it to lay the groundwork/get the cash to keep the off-island machinations running. So at some point he defrauded somebody, stole something, and went back to the island, vanishing. I bet that Abbadon noticed the appearance of the Oceanic 6 and realized that Ben had gone to Mystery Island What Is Not On Any Maps with his cash. Or something.

Though I like the idea of Ben at a loser job. "CopyPlus – how can I help you? Now listen, there's something you need to hear … "

that could be a great ben flashback episode, him going back to the real world and then realizing 'I HAVE TO GO BACK' ala our losties

I'd be amazed if Emerson wasn't on the show for a while – Ben's easily my favorite character. So yeah, that could happen.

I would expect that he'll leave the island, maybe even as one of the 6, since he's got 'a man on the boat' and the Others (if there are any left) would like to see him gone in favor of Locke. His obsession with solving the island pregancy problem/atoning for 'killing' his own mother will keep his story going for a while.

Er, forget that first sentence, I was trying to say that I can't see Ben's character disappearing from the show (unless he's in the coffin, which would make me sad)

xposts But Ben did have a loser job - dude was a Dharma stooge for at least a decade or so before the purge. Maybe his picture was taken during that time for one of Dharma's old staff brochures, like those Mark Wickman/Marvin Candle videos.

He's not in a Gizmonic Institute jumpsuit tho.

yeah it looks very off-island-y.

also i think the way it was presented as kind of a bomb dropping reinforces this.

that could be a great ben flashback episode, him going back to the real world and then realizing 'I HAVE TO GO BACK' ala our losties

-- jergïns, Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:15 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this^^^

If he did get off-island yeah, I would think it would be consistent with his character to want to try to get back to assume power.

I like the idea that he went off-island to secure his power on the island itself. It's possible that after the purge, he went off and pretended to be someone from Dharma to keep up the facade that they were still operating there. Seems like the only way he could secure the continuing food drops and recruit new people like Tom and Mikhail.

He could have secured new financial backing from Abbadon/guy Abbadon works for ('hey, I can cure cancer'), and then continued on his pregancy quest to the exclusion of everything else, prompting Abbadon/GAWF to want to get ahold of him to see why he's not coming through with anything useful for them.

Yes, this seems pretty plausible. Also, somehow the 815 crash prompted Abbadon to guess that he'd find Ben wherever the plane had fell. Why, I do not know.

on a second viewing i think the change in picture frame after the exorcism (or whatever) was more an indication of miles' abilities than a time rift

Who was it who said that they'd been 'wasting time' on the pregnancy stuff? From late series 3, can't remember what the context was though.
Maybe Ghostbuster Miles will find out how Nikki and Paolo really died and that will somehow be important.

Maybe its something really dull like there's an office building on the island that no one's found yet. There's an entire series of flashbacks of Ben getting really annoyed by the woman who sits next to him, and failing to get the fax machine to work properly, so he goes mad and decides to gas everyone.

... with a special cameo of Dwight Schrute.

so he goes mad and decides to gas everyone post everything the woman says on an internets bb

FIXED

Who was it who said that they'd been 'wasting time' on the pregnancy stuff?

This is Alpert, in a pretty significant conversation with Locke, from The Brig.

From Lostpedia: He tells John that Ben knew Locke wouldn't kill his father, and had put him in front of the camp so everyone would watch him fail. When John asks Richard why Ben would do that, Richard explains that Ben was worried because the Others were starting to think Locke might be very special. Richard says Ben has kept them occupied with 'novelties' like fertility issues, wasting their time, and that Locke could remind them of the more important reasons they are there. Richard wants Locke to find his purpose.

Locke's story arc is streets ahead of almost everyone else's on the island. Some amazing shit is going to go down with him in the final series.

Actually remove the 'almost' there.

i wonder if Locke will be actively ousted as leader of the splitters by Sawyer or he'll just leave of his own will, once getting them to the Barracks (assuming they will, by hook or by crook), to catch up with Alpert and the gang (of people we don't know, + Cindy and those annoying kids).

I see Locke stopping by the cabin as his attempt to show the group he's leading that there's more to the island than meets the eye … I think he wants to create his own group of Others, with people from 815 and the original Others.

spoiler:

I wonder if Hurley being ditched by Locke has to do with him being able to see Jacob …

so they're gonna cut the season to about 13 episodes instead of 16? (according to the NYT today)

good enough for me ... hopefully they can still fit in (most of) the whole story arc that they wanna do ...

I loved this episode and totally fancy the hated Charlotte.

C(harlotte) S(taples) Lewis, Alan.

I think Charlotte is the first one I don't fancy, well, besides the over 50s.

Meanwhile Juliette is still hot.

I wonder if Hurley being ditched by Locke has to do with him being able to see Jacob …

i am feeling this theory

Juliet was never hot. She is the only one I don't fancy, including the over-50s. Actually, who are the over-50s? Rose. Is that it? I don't really fancy Rose.

U RONG 72 POINT TYPE

i did a 'who would you do?' q&a with lingbert the other day, Rose vs. Amelia

A friend of mine was troubled by the Naomi/Abaddon scene at the end. He claimed that it broke one of the show's narrative conventions: that flashbacks can only come from characters who are living and on the island. It's true that there weren't any more flashbacks from Boone, Shannon, Eko, Ana-Lucia, Paolo, and Nikki after they died (although we did have a final flashback segment for Paolo and Nikki after they were buried, lol), and it's true that no one off the island has gotten a flashback. But is this an actual convention? I argued that the end of "Dave," when the camera pans across the room to show that Libby is in the same mental hospital as Hurley, demonstrates that flashbacks are not always shown from the perspective of the characters they're ostensibly centered on.

you are insane Alba. Juliet and Rose are SMOKING

xpost: how do we know abaddon's not on the island?

Ha, we don't. But the convention would presumably be characters that have been established as being on the island.

Abbadon likes to be called MRS KLUGH from time to time.

BTW how quickly did they realise what a woeful character she was?

I don't get the Juliet thing either. Her duck-faced pout is annoying.

I think I like her more than anyone else on the show. I don't know why.

I'm glad we as the audience are finally being allowed to trust her and they're not constantly laying on the Juliet is she or isn't she? crap.

http://www.filmfodder.com/tv/lost/archives/kate_juliet.jpg

i still dont trust her one bit

A friend of mine was troubled by the Naomi/Abaddon scene at the end. He claimed that it broke one of the show's narrative conventions: that flashbacks can only come from characters who are living and on the island.

I don't really care about this 'convention', they've torn up the flashback rulebook for this season and that's fine, but we don't know for sure that Abaddon isn't on the island.

(xpost - that's because we've got four new characters to distrust now!)

I trust her entirely.

Okay so Jack gives Miles the phone, Miles calls the boat and is speaking to a woman. BSHPLYRTG there's a break in the signal and then...am I wrong or is it Naomi's voice after the blip?

it's either her or another British person!

I agree with Alba, about Charlotte - she is the haughty English version of Sex In The City Miranda. And she got a butt that won't puddn' spaz.

I think she's like a bold child.

I'm not so into Juliet altho I loved that when Lapitus twigged she wasn't on the manifest she did her trademark bemused mona lisa smile for whenever there's a chance something's about to go down.

A friend of mine was troubled by the Naomi/Abaddon scene at the end. He claimed that it broke one of the show's narrative conventions: that flashbacks can only come from characters who are living and on the island.

I don't really care about this 'convention', they've torn up the flashback rulebook for this season and that's fine, but we don't know for sure that Abaddon isn't on the island.

(xpost - that's because we've got four new characters to distrust now!)

-- Matt DC, Monday, February 11, 2008 11:25 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ this

fuck it, they should do whatever, combine forwards and back, whatever. game done got changed, son.

The producers (can't remember where I saw this) have said that no flashback can be considered exclusive to one character.

I take this to mean that Vincent is the mastermind and that these are all his flashbacks.

i find it odd how Hanso still hasn't been mentioned by any of the characters since...Kelvin?

he never this either, i realised. kelvin just talked about dharma. so hanso's only been mentioned in that old dharma film?

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news anchor lady at the beginning is an anchor for the ABC affiliate here

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A friend of mine was troubled by the Naomi/Abaddon scene at the end. He claimed that it broke one of the show's narrative conventions: that flashbacks can only come from characters who are living and on the island.

i saw it as Naomi's flashback. even though she's dead by that point, the first shot after the flashback is a close shot on her face as she's getting carried away on a stretcher. if you want to get real retarded about it, you could argue that it stays true to the convention.

MAYBE SHE'S STILL NOT REALLY DEAD. maybe she's half-cat or something.

sexy mustachioed cat

on a second viewing i think the change in picture frame after the exorcism (or whatever) was more an indication of miles' abilities than a time rift

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otm. and he knows exactly what he's done, whatever it is. he gives a concerned look at the wall before deciding to give her the $100 refund. also, its more than just the one frame that changes.

I don't get it - what does swicthing picture frames around have to do with exorcism?

I thought the real break in conventions was that news bulletin, as it wasn't a flashback but more of a "meanwhile back at the ranch" kind of thing.

no it was a flashback w/ jeremy davies' character

Naveen Andrews interviewed in the Metro today - he was saying that by the last series he thought Lost had become pretty repetitive, particularly with relation to his character. This series is a lot better so far apparently, and he gets to do something pretty unexpected.

I like the sound of this as I'd got the feeling they haven't really had a fucking clue what to do with Sayid for the last season or so, beyond hardman and gadget duties plus tortured conscience that is.

all i can think of is that he gets to bang juliet

Haha I thought that last week, more likely to be Nadia related though? Sayid is probably the most likely to end up on the boat as well, seeing as he knows how to fly helicopters and stuff, and has a natural suspicion and distrust of newcomers.

Sayid has got to be one of the Oceanic 6, surely.

Nah, I see him more of a hard-core survivor. I could imagine him becoming Locke's deputy or something.

I'd say the remaining Oceanic Six members are Claire, Jin and Sun. Unless Jin gets taken down in the near future which is possible.

I suppose there's more tension in leaving pregnant Sun on the island though...

How about Juliet? She's the one dying to get out and see her sister. Plus, having been involved in the shenanigans of the Others, she'd pretty good reasons to swear to secrecy.

stupid - she's not oceanic - move on nothing to see

yeah it would have to be people on the plane because the manifest would probably be well known. oceanic would've released the manifest to the press what with the bodies being irretrievable?

There aren't that many other people it could be - Sayid, Sawyer, Mike & Walt, taking Locke off the island kicking and screaming would be kind of awesome.

wouldn't make sense for Claire to be among the 6 what with Aaron - they'd count as two. Ditto Michael and Walt obv.

which leaves Sayid, Sawyer, Jin and Sun as the only remaining major characters it could be.

Aaron wasn't exactly on the flight though. Well he was but not as a passenger in his own right.

Oceanic Airlines in pro-choice scandal

Didn't one of Desmond's visions have Claire & Aaron getting on a helicopter? Obviously doesn't have to be THAT helicopter.