1976 Oscar Nominees

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To me this is one of the most interesting groups of nominees, kinda serving as a ceremonial end of the "golden age" of 70's American indie film. Rocky won. Maybe the dark horse here is Hal Ashby's Bound for Glory, but I will stan for All the President's Men, which I've seen probably more times than all the others combined and still enjoy.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Taxi Driver 35
All the President's Men 13
Network 12
Bound For Glory 2
Rocky 2


Ari (whenuweremine), Sunday, 24 May 2009 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

jesus, that list. for me it's between president's men and taxi driver, and the latter is so fucking indelible. i love '70s urban paranoia movies.

elliot easton ellis (get bent), Sunday, 24 May 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Damn you for usurping my duties! (Spookily enough, I was probably going to go with this year next. This or 1974.)

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Me 10 years ago never would've thought it possible, but me now is putting my vote toward AtPM. Would've been Network easily back then.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Network does rival JFK for the most pleasurably batshit political best picture nominee ever.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

No clunkers here, tho I saw Bound for Glory again a couple years ago and might rate it below Rocky.

ATPM over Taxi Driver.

Network is reactionary, although it did anticipate the ways in which TV would get even worse in the last 30 years.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 24 May 2009 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Taxi Driver

da croupier, Sunday, 24 May 2009 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

first Academy Awards I ever watched!

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

taxi driver def

'entertainment purposes' ONLY! (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i love '70s urban paranoia movies.

^^^^^ This. What an exciting decade for films. Tough choice between All The President's Men, Taxi Driver and Network for me.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 24 May 2009 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i love '70s urban paranoia movies.

one of the fall's best song titles is "paranoia man in cheap shit room" -- if i ever make my gritty urban crime drama, it's so gonna be on the soundtrack.

elliot easton ellis (get bent), Sunday, 24 May 2009 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Taxi Driver by an enormous margin. I like the other four (Rocky by far the least), but All The President's Men is a little too self-congratulatory and Network a little too histrionic for my tastes.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 24 May 2009 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I agree with all of that.

resistance is feudal (WmC), Sunday, 24 May 2009 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I've always found TD's madonna/whore thing a tad problematic (Schrader's, not Bickle's).

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 24 May 2009 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah it's not a perfect script, but it seems strikingly original in a way that few films are (although Schrader sort of mined it again and again so yeah) and great directing, great acting, and a great score really put it over the top for me. And one of the all time headfuck endings.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 24 May 2009 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, really, all Oscar years should have me reluctantly casting Taxi Driver and Network into the runner up positions.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

"Network." I think even Sidney Lumet drew breaths filming this shit.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 May 2009 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I cast the obvious vote for Taxi Driver, but ATPM has to be one of the decade's strongest runners-up--fantastic film. (I guess whichever you choose as the lesser of Nashville/Cuckoo's Nest from the previous year would be its equal; ditto Godfather II/Chinatown/The Conversation from '74.) I'm not a fan of Network, and Rocky's Rocky; haven't seen Bound for Glory.

clemenza, Sunday, 24 May 2009 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

no, the '75 pair is Nashville & Barry Lyndon.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 24 May 2009 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

If you want you extend the grouping to include Barry Lyndon, sure--I wouldn't, but many would. I wouldn't eliminate Cuckoo's Nest, though. (I'd probably go with Jaws after Nashville anyway...)

clemenza, Sunday, 24 May 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Save it for the inevitable '75 poll. (Which is also a pretty miraculous lineup excepting, maybe, the winner if you, like me, read the book first.)

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i need to put Bound for Glory on my too see list.

Network sorta dissapointed me after all the good Lumet shit i'd seen before, putting in a vote for Taxi Driver.

Ludo, Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for Rocky bcz apparently I forgot how to read the word NETWORK. ;_;

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Network is the only Lumet movie I like outside of The Wiz. Even 12 Angry Men is just 12 great performances locked in a room.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

at that point i thought Dog Day Afternoon was the best movie ever. (it's definetely among the best) though ranking movies seems even more useless than ranking records. dunno why.

Ludo, Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Have you seen Prince of the City, tho? Maybe best American dirty-cop movie ever.

xp

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

(I'm pretty sure even Lumet wouldn't defend The Wiz, you perv)

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

someone with time give me a couple of more Hal Ashby recommendations, i mean are there any more after Bound for Glory, Harold and Maude, Being There and The Last Detail?

Ludo, Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Judging the evidence on display in his movies, Lumet wouldn't know a good movie it if hit him in the eye. (And in any case, Quincy Jones is the auteur behind The Wiz, not Lumet.) Haven't seen Prince of the City tho.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Treat Williams suuuuuuucks.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 May 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

oh E, you and bad movies.

Ludo: Shampoo, and Coming Home for the acting.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

thx.

Ludo, Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

All of these are crappy to varying degrees save for Bound for Glory which I haven't seen. So I'm voting for it cuz it has the potential to be great.

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, this lineup does sort of approach the apotheosis of new hollywood, isn't it.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

er, doesn't it

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

It does indeed. Also, this was the year of Hitchcock's last film, Family Plot which, prolly needless to say, I'll take over any of these.

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 24 May 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Family Plot is great too. I don't see why I can't have both that AND Taxi Driver/Carrie/Assault on Precinct 13/et al.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I've always been fascinated by the perfect symmetry of Ashby's '70s career: the six films mentioned above, plus The Landlord--seven for seven, without a single misstep. Obviously there's some variance in quality among them, but most every other major director of the era had at least one high-profile debacle on his resume: [i]1941, Quintet, New York, New York, Sorcerer, etc. (And the three exceptions that come to mind--Coppola, Kubrick, and Lucas--directed fewer than 10 films between them.) Ashby basically emerges as the secret hero of A Decade Under the Influence, Ted Demme's documentary on American film in the '70s.

clemenza, Sunday, 24 May 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not as crazy about Shampoo as I used to be, and I haven't seen The Landlord, but Ashby had a helluva streak.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 May 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

taxi driver for me

鬼の手 (Edward III), Sunday, 24 May 2009 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

network

macaulay culkin's bukkake shocker (bug), Sunday, 24 May 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

New York, New York is not a debacle. Jesus you people have awful taste.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 24 May 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Of course I like Sorcerer better than Coming Home so maybe I'm the one with the problem.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 24 May 2009 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

TAXI DRIVER, c'mon!

have the lime of your life, heyyyyyy (Tape Store), Sunday, 24 May 2009 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Alex otm re NYNY! Must be that time of year. ;)

Scorsese perfected Taxi Driver with its superior remake, The King of Comedy.

12 Angry Men is just 12 great performances locked in a room.

Even Armond White, your colleague in the Hate Lumet Treehouse, sees value in his putting great acting on the screen, as in Long Day's Journey into Night. If de Palma ever manages it, do give a call.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link

"Scorsese perfected Taxi Driver with its superior remake, The King of Comedy."

Wowthisisgettingeerie. ;)

Alex in SF, Monday, 25 May 2009 12:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I saw the Hill recently. Even Lumet haters might really like that one.

Alex in SF, Monday, 25 May 2009 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Def TaxiDriver.

I GOTTA BRAKE FREEEEE (stevienixed), Monday, 25 May 2009 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

If de Palma ever manages it, do give a call.

No.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 12:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Which is to say, it's impossible for me to call you in 1976, when De Palma put at least four of them in just one film.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 12:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Ooooh burn. That's kind of DePalma's exception though. I'd agree with Morbs that acting is an afterthought in a lot of his movies (which I often love.)

Alex in SF, Monday, 25 May 2009 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link

No argument from me there. I do think the performances typically work for his films just fine.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I like Spacek and Laurie -- Amy Irving is great in that? in a Fast Times at Ridgemont High kind of way?

No, I mean, you know, great, as in Jason Robards as Jamie Tyrone great. (an Oscar winner in '76 as Ben Bradlee, to steer back on topic.)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link

(I also can't imagine you really really could be calling Betty Buckley's efficient performance as the friggin' gym teacher great. Oh, you are a card.)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link

A poll of the '76 acting nominees would be fab: every nominee came from Network anyway. I think it's still the only movie to earn three acting Oscars.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Efficient hardly describes her cautiously optimistic chat with Spacek at her prom table.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

My second-favorite 1976 de Palma-directed performance is probably Genevieve Bujold in Obsession. Good year for him.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Bujold was great in Coma. What ever happened to her?

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Bujold is good in Obsession, but the movie is the one true bummer in that mid-70s spread.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Unless you are humorless and go for that type of thing.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link

you know me!

oh, if you take The Fury as pure burlesque, your love is slightly fathomable. :)

Bujold hit a new peak w/ Croney in Dead Ringers.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

How I'd have voted on the '76 acting awards: De Niro, Spacek, Robards, Laurie.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Pretty IMDB of me, but it's that kinda year.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link

"Cut out 'her tit.' This is a family newspaper."

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link

How I'd have voted on the '76 acting awards: De Niro, Spacek, Robards, Laurie

If I were voting now, I'd let Dunaway keep her Oscar knowing that Spacek would win in '80.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Between it and Coal Miner's Daughter, Carrie's the better picture, but she's great in both.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Liv Ullmann should've won at some point. Marion fucking Cotillard....

Sorely missing nominees: Walter Matthau in The Bad News Bears, John Wayne in The Shootist and Shirley Stoler in Seven Beauties

Dr Morbius, Monday, 25 May 2009 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Knowing that I'd give my Oscar to Faye in '81, I'd give Spacek her due in '76.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 25 May 2009 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

...President's Men by a country mile. self-congratulatory? i don't see that at all, but maybe the film can come over that way because the real guys were (and i sorta think they had every right to be), as detailed by Goldman in ...Screen Trade etc.

piscesx, Monday, 25 May 2009 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Let me clarify something from upthread. I shouldn't have used debacle to describe New York, New York--I've only seen it once, but I remember there were some things I liked about it. (One of the supporting performances, De Niro's manager or agent, was especially good.) But I'm pretty sure that, after a certain amount of anticipation, it was jumped all over by most critics, and also that it lost a fair amount of money at the time. It was one of many smaller-scale Heaven's Gates (before the real Heaven's Gate arrived) that helped bring about the end of the unlimited freedom that many leading '70s directors more or less enjoyed for the first half of the decade: NY, NY, 1941, At Long Last Love, The Missouri Breaks, Quintet (Altman had more than one), Cruising (maybe a better choice than Sorcerer), Stardust Memories, a few others. These films are inevitably viewed more favorably over time; even Heaven's Gate gets some votes in Sight & Sound's greatest-ever poll nowadays. But they were perceived as flops at the time, and Hal Ashby was a rarity in that he managed to escape the decade without one.

clemenza, Monday, 25 May 2009 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Well yeah, but Hall Ashby was also a more restrained director than those guys were so it doesn't shock me that he wouldn't create something that was perceived as being an over-ambitious flop (or in the case of 1941 just a plain flop.) He also didn't direct anything as good as NY, NY or Stardust Memories (let alone most of those directors' best efforts--although I think now away from the expectations of the time NY, NY is maybe my favorite 70s Scorsese.)

Alex in SF, Monday, 25 May 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

NYNY was certainly a commercial debacle -- Scorsese was so destroyed by its failure he moved in with Robbie Robertson and nearly coked himself to death.

I think The Last Detail is significantly better than Stardust Memories, though I mostly have a cool admiration for all Ashby's other stuff (and for his ability to make a posturing, offensive, cutesy nothing like the Harold & Maude script into something watchable).

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 05:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Even Armond White, your colleague in the Hate Lumet Treehouse, sees value in his putting great acting on the screen, as in Long Day's Journey into Night. If de Palma ever manages it, do give a call.

Great acting is so 2008.* Who cares? What good did it ever do Malcolm Le Grice, a better director than almost anyone mentioned on this thread? And gimme something like Femme Fatale, which demonstrates movies as the best set of electric trains a boy ever had, over a tomb for great acting like 12 Angry Men or that pesky Taxi Driver any day.

* Ok I don't really believe this exactly. I love Joan Crawford's great acting in Rain and Possessed (1947) (both quite uncampy, I should add) and Helen Mirren's in The Queen. But great acting has done almost as much damage throughout film history as severe edits by The Man. Also great acting almost never means comedy nor Eric H's Oscar to Dunaway in 1981 for arguably the greatest film performance of all-time.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 06:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Feel like I should say Taxi Driver but Network's batshit glory gets me every time. The more that people point out its flaws the more I seem to like it.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"I think The Last Detail is significantly better than Stardust Memories"

I kinda forgot about that one. Yeah it is better.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link

t was one of many smaller-scale Heaven's Gates (before the real Heaven's Gate arrived) that helped bring about the end of the unlimited freedom that many leading '70s directors more or less enjoyed for the first half of the decade

Peter Biskind is responsible for spreading this risible notion. The good movies may have been better than during the Hollywood studio heyday, but there were just as many bad movies. Because the seventies films were taking greater risks their failures seem more grotesque. Every one of the poll options is significantly flawed – and this is one of the better years.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:40 (fourteen years ago) link

*omit "than"

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link

agrteed KJB, if you're reinventing the medium or doing comedy "great acting" is not likely in your toolbox, but then I like to see films after the reinvention is complete, ie Godard bores the living shit outta me 70% of the time. I'll look up Malcolm Le Grice though.

I still may like Seven Beauties more than any of those 5 movies.

Also, a well-drawn 4-hour compilation of Watergate-related news footage would kick AtPM's ass. Especially with at least 30 minutes of Nixon denials.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Even 12 Angry Men is just 12 great performances locked in a room.

so you get Sidney Lumet

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Who is visionary genius.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, a well-drawn 4-hour compilation of Watergate-related news footage would kick AtPM's ass. Especially with at least 30 minutes of Nixon denials.

Truth talking. It'd probably be more compelling stylistically too.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Network is great but come the fuck on its Taxi Driver in a walk

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Taxi Driver will win, but Network is a better movie.

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

actually I like Pakula's style just fine. I thought it was a GREAT film when I first saw it, but I was a 14-year-old Nixon hater.

A stylistic genius would really have fucked up 12 Angry Men, or Network. Can we not understand, class, that some material requires middlebrow craftsmanship?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

the middlebrow craftsmanship in Network, esp. as regards the personal relationships involving Max actually make a strong counterpoint to the television sequences ... it reinforces their alien quality.

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Most of Lumet's successful films are dominated by the writer's sensibility. (Some of the bad ones too, like that last crappy Hoffman-Hawke-Finney tragicrimedy.)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

(Some of the bad ones too, like that last crappy Hoffman-Hawke-Finney tragicrimedy.)

yeah, that one was pretty meh. On the other hand, it was better than almost every one of the movies on that PG movies thread.

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

A stylistic genius would really have fucked up 12 Angry Men, or Network. Can we not understand, class, that some material requires middlebrow craftsmanship?

This is really smart and I'm not sure it's altogether true. But apart from Amadeus and The Queen (2006), and, um, I can't think of anything else, do any middlebrow films (including 12 Angry Men and Network) hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius (emphasis on genius)?

Oh and I forgot to respond to this:

Family Plot is great too. I don't see why I can't have both that AND Taxi Driver/Carrie/Assault on Precinct 13/et al.

Who's stopping you? Have away at them all.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

there are plenty of movies directed by a "stylistic genius" with crappy or mediocre scripts and acting, that result in blah movies.

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

And their titles?

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Here's Dave Kehr on Murder on the Orient Express suggesting that maybe no material requires middlebrow craftsmanship:

"Agatha Christie's novel is nothing more than a sleight-of-hand trick, but you can see how a real artist might have turned it into something interesting: latent in the plotting are the possibilities for a probing critique on the mystery formula and the assumptions that support it. Sidney Lumet isn't that artist: he uses the material only as a pretext for star turns, most of which turn much too heavily and much too slowly (1974)."

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

But apart from Amadeus and The Queen (2006), and, um, I can't think of anything else, do any middlebrow films (including 12 Angry Men and Network) hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius (emphasis on genius)?

Mitchell Leisen, Joseph Ruben, and lots of films by Wyler come to mind.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll never forgive the Cahiers crowd (abetted by the enfants terribles of seventies cinema) for creating the Cult of the Director.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll give you Leisen although I'm not sure how middlebrow his films are but definitely not Wyler. And I had to look up this Joseph Ruben character. Hmmmm...

And don't blame Cahiers. Iris Barry, Jay Leyda, Harry Alan Potamkin, etc. were on to it well before them.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

How is Wyler not middlebrow? An adapter of intelligent, sometimes "classic" novels, consistent A-list casts, four Best Director trophies...

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh he is. I just don't think any of his flicks hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i can't wait to meet this stylistic genius!

s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh he is. I just don't think any of his flicks hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius.

The Heiress >>>>>> Welles' Othello

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Eh I'll just have to go ahead and disagree with you there. But that is one of my fave Wylers. Andy Milligan dug it too.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Stylistic geniuses can be SO boring.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

TAXI DRIVER owns this. Haven't seen Bound For Glory, but I doubt that matters.

Oym a cripe... Oym a weer-dew... (circa1916), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't really feel like picking among Network, ATPM and Taxi Driver because I dig them all quite a bit. Haven't seen Bound for Glory, and Rocky is surprisingly good for a traditional sports movie.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

KJB, I read the Agatha Christie book around the time Murder on the Orient Express came out, and the only director who would've been able to make that work in '74 might've been Mel Brooks. (hence the MAD parody is one I still remember)

you are such a doctrinaire auteurist, you old-fashioned boy. ;)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

(also Amadeus is one of the worst Forman movies I've ever seen; Hair is better)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

xp kjb: whom do you consider a stylistic genius?

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Well the burden of proof's on you there.

KJB, I read the Agatha Christie book around the time Murder on the Orient Express came out, and the only director who would've been able to make that work in '74 might've been Mel Brooks.

Now that would've been worth seeing!

you are such a doctrinaire auteurist, you old-fashioned boy. ;)

It's true. But then there's Curse of the Cat People, The Seventh Victim, Xanadu, The Apple, Marci X, Romy and Michele's High School Reunion, Crazy in Alabama, Twilight, The Gay Deceivers, Joan Crawford, Adrian, etc.

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, sometimes I exaggerate for effect with you Morbs, but no fucking way Hair is better than Across the Universe (which i haven't seen but looks like ass), much less Amadeus.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh look, there are results.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 8 June 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

That's odd. How come there wasn't one of those automatic "poll results are in" posts?

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 8 June 2009 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

five years pass...

All the President's Men over Network, which is no more reactionary and a lot more civilized than Taxi Fucking Driver

benbbag, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 00:41 (nine years ago) link

Even 12 Angry Men is just 12 great performances locked in a room.

― nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:49 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It may be a tribute to Lumet that you don't notice how much more than that it is

benbbag, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

Showed Network to a crowd last night and it was surprisingly well received.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link

Didn't hurt that the crowd was very full of the core "they don't make them like that anymore" demo.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link

Many bathroom breaks during Beatrice Straight's monologue?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link

Every good word in the English language is in that script.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

"wainscoting"?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

Crusty ... but benign.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

Owen Roizman's nomination doesn't make a lick of sense tho.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link

Two previous nominations... and got one later for Tootsie. They just liked him.

He did the urban grime thing well, as in French Connection and Pelham 123.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link

Word is that cinematography guild was the most insular boys club backscratching branch in that era.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link

Didn't hurt that the crowd was very full of the core "they don't make them like that anymore" demo.

Good news for your audience: Hollywood never stopped making plenty of shrill tirades on "what's the matter with society."

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link

well Wexler won in '76 for Bound for Glory, gotta give em credit for that. xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link

Every good word in the English language is in that script.

― "Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.

"cocksmanship"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 February 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link

Nine years later, I would change my vote from Taxi Driver to All the President's Men.

clemenza, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link

It's cool, I just changed my vote from All the President's Men back to Network and now the two are tied for second place!

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link

It's been a busy day.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link

wd now write in Mikey and Nicky

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link

I wasn't here 9 years ago, but Taxi Driver is still the best and Network still sucks.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link

were there ever consecutive Best Actress winners who played soulless villains besides Louise Fletcher and Dunaway?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link

Closest case I could determine was Natalie Portman in Black Swan and Streep's Margaret Thatcher.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link

Depends on what you think about Katherine Hepburn in On Golden Pond and Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link

Bette Davis '38/Vivien Leigh '39? Maybe they weren't entirely soulless.

WilliamC, Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link

I wasn't here 9 years ago, but Network is still the best and Taxi Driver still sucks.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link

you can deconstruct Scarlett O'Hara myriad ways, but she is clearly the heroine of GWTW

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 06:44 (six years ago) link

(and so is BD in Jezebel from what i can recall)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 06:44 (six years ago) link

btw I have come to the realization that Holden was about 18 months older than I am now when they shot Network, and no one yet has impugned my cocksmanship.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link

Date more loquacious programming directors with father complexes.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Basically X agrees

Just curious, which of these should've won against ROCKY?

— Eric Henderson (@ephender) February 14, 2024

Rich E. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 22:10 (two months ago) link


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