The island wanted LOST SEASON SIX THREAD to happen (***CLICK CAREFULLY -- CONTAINS SPOILERS***)

boom

bad title

nothing wrong with title

it's a grower

Nothing will ever beat season 2's "it's coming! It's in the trees!"

Should have gone with "throw the Juliet in the well".

Looking forward to Walt getting an axe in the back.

Should have gone with "throw the Juliet in the well".

^^^

this is just the anticipation thread tho eh

good thread title

Nothing wrong with the title, but this should be the S6 anticipation thread, with another new one when S6 starts.

ayo haters...

do you know what lies in the shadow of DEEZ NUTS?

See, that should be the title of the S6 thread when it starts.

did we have a season five anticipation thread?

yeah and then it was changed to a regular season 5 thread cause no one was bothered to start a new one.

yeah so we don't need an anticipation thread. this is the lost season 6 thread.

depends on how many hundred posts we spend arguing

Come anticipate the inevitable disappointment and handwringing with me...

hahaha, yeah.

my wife and I are busy rewatching, Michael just shot A.L. and Libby.

also, TAWARET.

Can I just say the deaths of AL and Libby still kind of fuck me up a little?

My, Tawaret, what a big snake you have.

If no one starts an official S6 thread when the time comes, I will. I just got caught up with the series midway through last season and it was kind of a hassle figuring out where the actual S5 talk began. (Though when I found it it was pretty funny/obvious--a big series of WHOOOAAHHHs outta nowhere)

hmmm, look what was added at the bottom of the wiki article:

A giant, four-toed statue, misidentified by the official recap of the series as Taweret, stands on the beach of the mysterious island on the American TV series Lost, a fact alluded to beforehand by the solution to a Lost-themed Wired Magazine cryptographic puzzle by Bruce Schneier.[3]. Despite this identification the statue clearly depicts Sobek.

Sobek and Tawaret are very closely related, fwiw.

I hear they used to hang out at diety mixers.

wiki on some bullshit: http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/speculation-over-the-statues-identity-officially-revealed/

oh, Lost. Seeing this thread breaks my heart.

still not feeling this thread title.

So... last Comic-Con panel ;_; first two links only very, very, slightly spoiler-y - you know those guys aren't big on huge reveals - but i thought i should mention it anyway. Mostly seemed like it was a lot of fun.

Recap with all the promo videos plus some footage from the panel:
http://finaldestinationlost.blogspot.com/2009/07/order-of-events-lost-panel-comic-con.html

Slightly more readable recap:
http://jopinionated.blogspot.com/2009/07/exhausted-analysis-recap-of-last-lost.html

Some viral/ARG thingy? http://www.lostuniversity.org/
Don't have much hopes for it though considering how the last one worked out (i.e. it didn't).

is there no exciting new footage of next season or equivalent buzz clip?

nope but there are three clips (the Hurley and Oceanic commercial clips and the Kate clip) that are supposedly hinting on where the show's gonna go. They basically serve the same function as the Faraday/Marvin Candle clip last year.

also seems confirmed that at least Elizabeth Mitchell and Faraday will reappear in season 6. Possibly Dom Monaghan too. And that Batmanuel has been promoted to series regular rather than guest-star.

okay wait, i just watched a bit of the panel and they actually seem to be kidding a bit about Jeremy Davies being back so maybe not? i dunno, i don't really trust anything they say anymore.

I can't believe how many months we have to wait. :(

He also asked about the Dharma food drop from Season 2, and Darlton said they are going to address that in the final season.

not sure why i care so much about this but YEAAA

Hurley video (WTF!!!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/CXnAaTFlRw8&hl=en&fs=1&

Kate video

http://www.youtube.com/v/GQXuiCge-wI&hl=en&fs=1&

ayo haters...

do you know what lies in the shadow of DEEZ NUTS?

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 13:36 (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol classic

Maybe he's born with it...

http://www.theackattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/rwmirpjpg.gif

lol what is he saying?

best part of that sketch was the bit at the beginning where he looks into the mirror and says (roughly), "Nestor, Richard Alpert isn't immortal... You are."

oh shit - so they're really gonna go with the alternate timeline?!

lol what is he saying?

"This is cobalt"

Full sketch here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkuq3_dcmo0

OMG

clips be menko

what the hell is going on with this Season 4 UK promo

http://www.youtube.com/v/SLg7smJJU6s

omg, what!? featuring fake-Portishead

feat. John Locke as "The Conductor"

god, even dancing zombie kate is annoying

wasn't this a SYTYCD group routine

is this the dave chapelle thing? that guy crazy.

if Alpert doesn't end up the real hero in this thing it'll all be for shit

I want a last season to do some George Lucas-style backpedaling and have the entire series being about Alpert

Alternate timeline thing would be really shit.

that promo scared me

that was a S1 promo & is as awesome now as it was then. and yeah, it was DlC

should say DlaC or it looks like i just put DICK without the K

whole bunch of foreshadowing there

hey it all being about Alpert, who's been in the show since season 3, would be a little less backpedal-y than it all being about 'Jacob's enemy' imo

fake-Portishead?

I ignored that

it was a season two promo, not season one. that wouldn't make sense.

season one promo:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/David_LaChapelle
"LaChapelle created The United Kingdom Channel 4 promo of the first season of Lost, which had the characters cleverly paired as dancing partners"

haha - my bad, i assumed it was a Portishead knock-off and not actually Portishead

missin' u...

i wanna re-watch a bunch of key episodes/good episodes from previous seasons before this one starts, are there any good sites out there w/ reccomendations of which ones to definitely watch and which ones to definitely skip?

darkufo has an episode vote/rank thing you could use

cool thx

There's been an old copy of Women's Health featuring an interview with Kate floating around the bathroom for months...there are some awful quotes, but so sum it up, she really really wants you to know that she is a rebel, she's tough, she's crazy, and she's unpredictable.

i don't wanna know what it's been floating in

we discussed the key episodes thing on the last thread. From this post onwards. :)

dunno abt season 5 though. i feel like the only crucial ones are the ones toward the end - the ben, jacob and faraday episodes.

well, i'm gonna rewatch all of S5 regardless because my wife never saw it and she needs to get caught up

These Lost Clues videos compile a lot of the key scenes from the series. At worst, they're a quick way to remember which parts you might want to revisit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTz9q7xM9Q

http://thatandbasketweaving.com/dcpb/II/poster1.gif

fan pic or real deal viral?

info here: http://thatandbasketweaving.com/dcpb/II/

haven't checked other designs

Anyone up for a seasons 1-5 poll?

go for it

i just watched the season 1 ep where the raft gets burned and michael beats the shit out of jin and i guess i never really noticed but walt just stands by and lets that shit go down when he is the one who burned it, haha

a bad kid!!

oh that walt, we got "more than we bargained for" with him

walt by far the most wasted opportunity on lost, even in season 1 which he was in regularly

it totally sucks since they were hinting since the end of season 3 that he was gonna come back in a major way, but since his one-off last season it seems like he's just getting dropped altogether w/no real explanation. then again they might FINALLY address the whole child abduction thing this year...

then again considering how lame Michael's comeback turned out, maybe it's for the best

i watched bits of the finale again earlier and noticed a few things for the first time e.g. when Ilana is in the cabin she sees this bizarre picture of what looks like a traumatised St Bernard (at first i thought it was Vincent) and gives what almost seems a sad glance of recognition ha

pictures!!

LIBBY!!

http://i32.tinypic.com/4g429z.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/feifc3.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/4g429z.jpg

sorry this should be the first pic:

http://i26.tinypic.com/14bngxy.jpg

I think the reason they are all so sad/angry is b/c Walt didn't show up to the photo shoot.

bad child

i think Eko is pissed off because he wanted off the show & they seem to be bringing everyone back for season 6.
oh - except rousseau, alex, karl :( guess that's finished, then. and no nikki and paolo? guess they couldnt think of enough of a stretch to re-include them.

oh and no penny either! but I guess these are all people who stepped foot on the island. michael is looking rather dapper. none of this "mah boy!" business this season I hope.

Where are those from? They look a bit home made.

i'm so glad to see the back of (Not)Locke

Walt's not coming back because he's probably 6'2", 200 lbs by now.

xxp every lost poster looks homemade - last year, the photoshoot with the plants inside the warehouse, one of daniel's feet were missing!
i got it off of ohnotheydidnt on livejournal.

xp locke's back! groan

i think they just shopped perrineau in from an "unusuals" ad.

So either the plane lands in LA or the plane re-crashes, I think.

dr. shephard's lonely hearts club band

or BOTH xp

its kinda interesting that they look like photographs of cardboard standup figures

Obviously this an ad for the new LOST: THE FINAL SEASON paper doll book.

i can't believe this show is ending!

I'm still holding out for a Miles/Hurley spin-off once the series wraps up.

i'm looking forward to season six explaining what year exactly Juliet was born??

will season six have the horse in it?

i think they said AAA will make a guest appearance in s6

He was publicly saying he wanted to come back, sad about how his character arc ended. Sorry.

aaa?

oh hey since this is open, congrats to michael emerson for winning an emmy!

AAA = Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

Michael Emerson was way overdue for an Emmy, good for him.

Over on ONTD they've posted a huge spoiler list that appears to confirm all this "people coming back" stuff.

That's awesome! He totally deserves it.

I reaally hope they made Ben a good character again. I'd let them get away with all sorts of asinine plot twists if they'd bring back old Ben and cut this defeated wuss thing they've got him stuck in.

I'm trying to think of any way they could have S6 as even a partial reset without the season becoming a complete mess of convoluted plotlines tripping over one another, unless they use Ben/Richard/Jacob as some kind of linking thread.

really hope they pull it off.

BSG has set the bar extremely low.

maybe the characters will find themselves flipping between the island and LA in "real time" ie they have all become Desmond. doesn't sound workable at all really but if they can bring back s1 characters at all then...

+ maybe lots of 'Jacob shows how much worse things are now that 815 never crashed, by causing natural disasters, being a massive terrorist and whatnot' (could be awesome if done in the Doctor Who 'Turn Left' type way)

Hurley walks down a street in Manhattan with freak meteors crashing all around him.

i'm kinding of running with the assumption that the reset did work and flight 815 does land but then they all somehow end up on th island anyway, INCAPABLE of ESCAPING their DESTINY

it's going to be a Return to Gilligan's Island kind of thing

can they get Parkman from Heroes back as the 815 pilot?

S6 is going to be Parkman as a serial killer offing all of the Losties because they didn't go to the island

I wish I hadn't read reddening's post. :/

wow youtube has the full movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZidiQoccneA

1:29 onwards is all you need to watch

I kind of have to give "Lost" massive props for being an ensemble show with 26 characters.

Parallel timelines in place of flashbacks would be pretty great actually. They could systematically kill every character off in one. I'd like to see violent bloody Jack death.

one thing I would like to be very, very careful of is turning "Lost" into Sliders"

i'm guessing the parallel timelines will probably CONVERGE at some point

hoping they stick with no parallels like they said they would personally. having one 815 crash and one 815 not crash in the same world is not quite the same thing. plus they've teased before about characters potentially meeting their past selves (Locke esp. had the opportunity to do this) and maybe they should follow up on that as daft as it may be. omg could lead to countless versions of the key characters running around.

Actually the only way they could possibly get anywhere near including that many characters is to get rid of flashbacks, flashforwards, parallel timelines everything and keep it more or less in one timeline. I'm guessing a big chunk of the series could involve Richard Alpert trying to get them to do whatever it is they're supposed to do.

Every option I can think of for how this will play out sounds shit.

Yeah I'm still holding out that this is all just misdirection and the bomb blast just won't work.

realtime Lost, like 24

we know that juliet is dead so that suggests... i'm not sure what. coz a nuclear bomb would take out a shit-tonne of island.

do we know she's dead? we do know elizabeth mitchell is coming back to the show though so... i don't know.

we do know elizabeth mitchell is coming back to the show

not as a regular. and at one point she wasn't coming back at all. so if she is it's likely to be in flashback i'd have thunk.

http://www.movieline.com/2009/07/elizabeth-mitchell-on-losts-juliet-she-had-found-this-kind-of-peace-that-i-fought-very-hard-against.php

the bomb not having gone off would be the biggest horseshit ever

right but the question is... if the bomb went off and jack (? or whoever, i have forgotten) was RIGHT, then the reset happens. so juliet lives. if the bomb goes off and he's WRONG, then she dies. but then surely so does everyone else.

i guess they could do the reset and not have too much juliet because she is boring, idk.

The alternative is what Miles said, and that exploding atomic bomb plus freak electromagnetic event causes whatever Incident they were trying to prevent. So the plane crashes just as it's always supposed to, and they find themselves in the 70s dealing with the fallout from the Incident. Which probably won't happen.

But if the bomb goes off there probably isn't much Island for them to go back to even if they have to. Unless it just cancels out the electromagnetism and nothing else, in which case this is rubbish science. Actually it's rubbish science whichever way you look at it.

Didn't Sayid or someone say something about it being only a small part of the bomb? Or some crap? I remember thinking, "I see what you're trying to pull here".

yeah I think they only brought the detonator, certainly not the entire bomb. Anyway, I don't see any good way out of this other than the losties causing the incident they were trying to prevent.

yeah I think they only brought the detonator, certainly not the entire bomb.

I'm pretty sure they said it was the thermonuclear core. If it blows up it's a proper nuclear explosion.

Yeah, the detonator for an H-bomb is, in fact, an A-bomb.

yeah but how big of an A-bomb?

an a-bomb will fuck u up, even a small one.

I was gonna say, I don't think it particularly matters to any of the ppl on that site how small the A-bomb was!

A-Bomb detonates -> Dharma Initiative dudes plus young Ben plus Widmore and Elly badly fucked up or killed -> Desmond and Juliet never turn up on the Island in the first place -> Flight 815 never crashes -> Faraday never sent to the Island -> A-Bomb never detonated.

It would be bollocks of the highest order, in other words. The only way they've made time travel work by now is on the premise that you can't actually change anything.

Actually the bomb might actually have gone off when the US military originally put it there.

= widmore dies?

Haha they've really fucked up by giving us a cliffhanger that gives us the best part of the year to work out all the different ways Lost might jump the shark.

haven't they done that just about every year?

maybe the electromagnetic activity at the site causes everybody to travel through time a second before everything blows up. Also somebody moves the island at the just the right moment so it's saved too.

their plan actually working makes the most sense (bomb goes off, was not the original Incident referred to by Chang but takes the place of it effectively), so 815 doesn't crash...but Jacob does find some other way to bring them all to the island anyway (this is tough because we don't want to see a second 'return to island' right?). why was he seemingly only ever interested a few of them tho - presumably he didn't visit Michael, Eko etc.

Frankly I never bought the idea that Lost would split into different timelines, since the show seems so overwhelmingly in favor of predestination. So I was surprised at the finale, and having seen the Comic-Con teasers it does look like they're going for some of kind of reality reboot. Still though, this is the final season, they really don't any more time for wiggling, I'm just trusting they've had this final chapter basically ready for a while.

honestly they can handwave the bullshittiest soft sci-fi mumbojumbo in the world if it still makes for good TV as far as I'm concerned

i think they're keeping one timeline, just changing 'the future'

lol "perfect safety record"

http://twitpic.com/j2z9j/full

from the FlashForward premiere

yeah i saw that.

a bit like amy poehler having a poster for 'the office' in her... office in 'parks and recreation'.

More off-island Richard scenes sound good.

this needs to hurry up and start airing already

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee1/drstrust/smilies%20and%20emoticons/jail.gif

proper trailer NAO

not thaaaaaaaat long now

i'm going into hawaii next month

where should a huge lost geek go to, y'know, geek out?

Is it still scheduled for late January?

saw walt in a chicken nugget commercial

Walt flinging chickens into the nugget-making machine with his mind.

Does that count as being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be?

lol

i do hope we see walt again

I think virtually everyone will come back, even for a brief cameo, at some point during this season.

Damon Lindelof interview in USA Today from a couple weeks ago:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/popcandy/post/2009/10/a-lost-qa-damon-lindelof-tackles-your-questions/1

Great interview! My guess on the recurring character who didn't want to come back is Danielle. Surprised he was so candid about Cynthia Watros though. What is she even doing?

So it's moving to Tuesday nights at 9. Because hey! Why not move it around again?

eh...no biggie. They know the hard core of fans isn't going to bail now, and the back story's too complicated to entice too many new viewers, so why not. I'm just glad to finally get a start date.

Yeah, it's 2/2/10 btw.

(is that a clue for something?)

nah just conveniently the start of sweeps is my guess

Figured something like this would happen when Modern Family/Cougar Town have been doing well, they don't want to move them since they've got a brand new audience tuning into them. i guess The Middle is also doing well enough for them not to bump it out of its slot...

Just re-watching the first couple of episodes (an attempt to run thru all the seasons before 2/2/10, will probably give up when I get to Jack's tattoos, Jack/Sawyer/Locke fighting for the 1000000th time etc etc).

Not sure if it's just cos I haven't watched any Lost in ages but the pacing and music etc seems a bit different. I wish Shannon had died in like the first episode though.

Seems I'm not the only one :) http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rewatch

I've started rewatching Season 1, but just skipping around and kind of watching whichever episodes on the DVDs have commentary + random others in between, because I just want to brush up on the first few seasons before rewatching all of S5 (which the wife hasn't seen) when it comes out on DVD next month.

i started last week but i only got halfway through episode 2.

Just re-watching the first couple of episodes (an attempt to run thru all the seasons before 2/2/10, will probably give up when I get to Jack's tattoos, Jack/Sawyer/Locke fighting for the 1000000th time etc etc).

God yeah, there was a rough stretch in there wasn't there? What was this, season 3?

I think every season has had its rough patches, but there were some dreary parts of S3 & 4 especially.

just starting to rewatch season 5 now. :)!

also last 3 mins of many an episode filled with contemporary soundtrack + montage of main characters walking around/sitting thoughtfully on the beach/near a fire

Thought that stopped once the batteries on Hurley's discman ran out?

2/2/10? So they'll show 2 episodes and then take two weeks off for the winter Olympics? That means the plan for seasons 4, 5, & 6 to run uninterrupted has been a total failure.

Just re-watching the first couple of episodes (an attempt to run thru all the seasons before 2/2/10, will probably give up when I get to Jack's tattoos, Jack/Sawyer/Locke fighting for the 1000000th time etc etc).

Yeah but it gets brilliant straight after that!

Thing about the Libby thing is that it's one of those things that could just purely be a coincidence, Ghostwritten-style. There's not necessarily any need to bring Libby back in order to answer that one.

If there's no Walt I'll be really pissed off though.

The producers said that Libby was in the mental hospital because her husband died, and by the time she gave Des the boat she was better.

2/2/10? So they'll show 2 episodes and then take two weeks off for the winter Olympics? That means the plan for seasons 4, 5, & 6 to run uninterrupted has been a total failure.

I think they're actually taking the Olympics on and running straight through them. Plus, it's really a necessity if they've got 18 episodes, but assuming the first is a two hour and the finale is a two hour, then 16 airdates, meaning that they've basically got to start on February 2nd or they won't finish during May sweeps.

Looks like they've cast another Deadwood actor--John Hawkes, who played Sol.

hopefully he doesn't die pointlessly in three episodes, never to be heard from again

saw walt in a chicken nugget commercial

Wait was it Mr Clucks?

who else have been from Deadwood?

juliet's sister

ahhh

Silas Adams was esau.

John Hawkes was also the dude from Me and You and Everyone We Know.

"who else have been from Deadwood?"

Also the blond prostitute who got killed pointlessly, etc.

John Hawkes was also the dude from Me and You and Everyone We Know.

The island = ))<>(( forever.

no one asked what else hawkes was in.xls

(eastbound and down!)

Don't forget William Saunderson (EB Farnum) as the Crazy Interrogation Expert for Dharma.

xp There was a pointless murder of a blonde prostitute on Lost? How did I block that out?

lol a friend of mine's sister is the prostitute that got killed on Deadwood iirc -- supposedly they were interested in her being a long term regular but she or her family was embarrassed or uncomfortable about the ahem nature of the show/role so they wrote her off

braggin 09

no one asked what else hawkes was in.xls

No, I volunteered the information. I've never seen Deadwood, so that's the only thing I know him from.

i dunno i guess more namedroppin than braggin? i've never seen the show or met her myself so it was just a piece of trivia i wanted to be able to drop at some point.

worked out nicely on the show, if that's the prostitute i'm thinking of

The actress was I was referring to was Paula Malcolmson (who played Trixie on Deadwood), she was basically put on the show at the beginning of Season 3 as one of the Others, only to be killed for no good reason immediately.

hopefully he doesn't die pointlessly in three episodes, never to be heard from again

RIP Zoe Bell T_T

hahaha. at least she got some off-screen radio time!

I think it might be helpful to rewatch without the mindset that certain characters are going to be much bigger and more important than they turn out to be. I think anytime they made a big deal about such and such actor joining the cast, I always thought that they were going to be a regular and/or return from the dead somehow after they were killed off three episodes into their stint.

OR MAYBE THEY WILL BE RETURNING FROM THE DEAD AFTER ALL........

how many characters introduced after season 2 have even really been important or had much long term screentime? I mean Juliet obviously and I guess Faraday and Lapidus, but it seems like in general the show is intent on always coming back to the original core cast, and when someone new shows up I usually don't expect a lot more than a brief arc.

Any new character introduced this late in the series almost has to be cannon fodder. They don't have time to get into any back story for them. From a recent press release it seemed that Frank and Illana are listed as main cast members for SSN 6.

Unless the new character is Alvar Hanso or something.

Don't forget Bram! Though it wouldn't surprise me if he suddenly died early in the season, either. (and what about Jacob?)

ok so the one thing about rewatching is that baby walt is so damn cute!

true!
OK, I have definitely been watching this show for way too long, because I "noticed" that in S1 Ep7 ("The moth") after he chucks the heroin into the fire,
Charlie recreates a Virgin Mary pose (ie the statues that they find later, containing the heroin)

see 1.10 in this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDI3DOw0Apg

yeah so i am part way through season 2 now (hello therei being in bed with the flu all week) and maybe there are things i am picking up now that i didn't the 1st time around because i wasn't reading threads/didn't realize i needed to pay as close attention but things like the swan orientation video being ©1970 and the pearl video was ©1980 and that candle introduces himself by another name in the 2nd video (mark w-something?) now jump out at me. also i didn't notice the first time that kate's dad was the one w/ sayid in the gulf war thing. that was probably obvious to most people but i just wasn't paying attention. maybe i should just og read the old threads but that seems like too much work.

Yeah, it's probably easier to look at Lostpedia than sort through the old threads.

just searching the date the episode aired could be helpful if she wants to see what we thought was going on

unless we thought sawyer was the horse

lol *that* much i knew

wait how is there now sawyer-centaur.jpg by now

can quite easily imagine sawyer getting turned into a centaur and losing his temper about it: "well gee I'd love to help ya doc, but in case you didn't notice my lower half is just about ready to compete in the KENTUCKY DERBY"

^ the final scene that Matthew Fox is always bragging he knows about

I had a whole lot of stuff remembered wrong, mainly not important stuff. I'm enjoying season 1 a lot more now I don't have to wait a whole week between episodes and get mad furious when they waste like a whole 10 mins on having a fight or looking pensive.

yes!
the end of episode vignettes of everyone at the beach enjoying each other's company by campfire to stringed music still got really old, though.

^^ Any tv show that ends with some song with either instrumentals, or pensive songs with female vocals (fox network shows are all over this) need to cut that out. I'd rather take a hundred "oh shit, shocking conclusion!" Lost endings than a few more of these.

how many characters introduced after season 2 have even really been important or had much long term screentime? I mean Juliet obviously and I guess Faraday and Lapidus, but it seems like in general the show is intent on always coming back to the original core cast, and when someone new shows up I usually don't expect a lot more than a brief arc.

Curious to see where they're going with Miles, given that he doesn't seem to have any structural function in the story as it is.

pretty lolsome when hurley's cd player ran out of battery tho xpost

the end of episode vignettes of everyone at the beach enjoying each other's company by campfire to stringed music still got really old, though.

the first one they did where it ended up going all sinister as it turned to locke was superb tho

lol a friend of mine's sister is the prostitute that got killed on Deadwood iirc -- supposedly they were interested in her being a long term regular but she or her family was embarrassed or uncomfortable about the ahem nature of the show/role so they wrote her off

― dan me, perryhole (some dude), Friday, November 20, 2009 4:48 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is insane to me. u know what most actors in h'wood would do to get a regular role on an HBO show

Thanks TZA

"Lost" .... Aldo (1 episode, 2007)
- Not in Portland (2007) TV episode .... Aldo

― congratulations (n/a), Monday, April 13, 2009 2:03 PM

lol just saw this while rewatching old lost! he was guarding the place where they were clockwork oranging carl (karl?).

McElhenney said that 50 weeks of each year are consumed by acting, producing, and writing for the show, but he did find time to appear in the third season of the television show Lost as Aldo in the seventh episode, "Not in Portland". He is shown reading Stephen Hawking's A Brief History Of Time 22 minutes, 40 seconds into the episode. This was as a result of McElhenney meeting Lost co-creator and executive producer Damon Lindelof. Lindelof is a fan of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and offered to give Rob a small role in an episode. Though Aldo is thought to be deceased, Damon Lindelof revealed that Aldo isn't dead (Lindelof also joked that "No one dies on that fucking show") and may actually appear in a new Lost episode.

― tehresa, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 06:51 (1 minute ago) Permalink

totally want aldo to come back and save everyone in the finale.

A friend of mine just gave me the AVIs of the entire series, I started watching episode one with the intention of re-watching the whole thing and then it occurred to me quite how many hours of my life that would take up. I might start from season four instead.

lol just saw this while rewatching old lost! he was guarding the place where they were clockwork oranging carl (karl?).

"I can't believe you fell for the ol' Wookie prisoner trick."

<3 Sawyer

Just watched the first Claire episode. I'd forgotten how intense it seemed at the time, compared to anything else that had happened, that Claire had to raise her baby etc etc. Nothing really came of it throughout all 5 seasons, so I hope it leads to something in the final season other than 'lol psychic'.

(I mean, I know Aaron was raised by Kate or whatever but Aaron himself has never seemed that important. Maybe the whole psychic thing was just meant to motivate Claire even more to keep him away from THE Others in particular, rather than 'others'.)

The baby's dad looks quite a lot like a young Ben imo :)

lol a friend of mine's sister is the prostitute that got killed on Deadwood iirc -- supposedly they were interested in her being a long term regular but she or her family was embarrassed or uncomfortable about the ahem nature of the show/role so they wrote her off

― dan me, perryhole (some dude), Friday, November 20, 2009 4:48 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is insane to me. u know what most actors in h'wood would do to get a regular role on an HBO show

― 311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, November 27, 2009 10:20 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they'd resort to actual prostitution to become a TV prostitute?

(holy lolz @ yr screenname)

WHAT THE WHAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj-KpOrbLSM

possibly fake but v pro job if so

I hope that the season opener is random ppl we've never seen before dodging falling polar bears for 2 hours

Yeah, it's a fake. It's a real commercial but not for LOST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

too soon

the real commercial is pretty gross imo, i can understand if they wanted to go for that kind of shock value if they were actually talking about polar bears dying from the ice caps melting, but instead they just use it as a super weird device to address something else entirely

Reminds me of Twelve Monkeys.

i was naive and thought surely no-one else is using polar bears - tho it did seem somehow familiar. pretty gross i agree.

Just finished re-watching Season 1 (yeah it took ages). Not too much that seems any different second time round, except a couple of things. Rousseau says she hasn't seen anyone else on the island, but has heard them - obviously crap, I guess they get around that by having her be kerrazy. I forgot also she tried to trade Aaron for Alex (by taking him to the pillar of black smoke, even though there were no Others there).
Tom Friendly on the raft seemed really really creepy, as up until then there's no real sense of a team of people making a concerted effort to 'get' them - it was only Ethan and Danielle who'd appeared til then, who seemed to be acting alone.

Anyway, the most interesting bit that might make more sense now is what Locke says before blowing up the hatch (and just after nearly getting sucked down a vent by smokey) - they're talking about the Island bringing them there:

LOCKE: Boone was a sacrifice that the Island demanded. What happened to him at that plane was a part of a chain of events that led us here -- that led us down a path -- that led you and me to this day, to right now.

JACK: And where does that path end, John?

LOCKE: The path ends at the Hatch. The Hatch, Jack -- all of it -- all of it happened so that we could open the Hatch.

JACK: No, no, we're opening the Hatch so that we can survive.

LOCKE: Survival is all relative, Jack.

JACK: I don't believe in destiny.

LOCKE: Yes, you do. You just don't know it yet.

OTOH, it also just sounds like yer average Locke bullshit, so who knows...

Just finished re-watching Season 1 (yeah it took ages). Not too much that seems any different second time round, except a couple of things. Rousseau says she hasn't seen anyone else on the island, but has heard them - obviously crap, I guess they get around that by having her be kerrazy. I forgot also she tried to trade Aaron for Alex (by taking him to the pillar of black smoke, even though there were no Others there).

yeah i've noticed a lot of that in my scattered re-watching lately (just got through S3), things that are ambiguous enough that they're not flat out RONG in retrospect but were clearly pushing in one direction that it seems the writers were as convinced of as the audience was at the time. I think Rousseau even says something in S3 about not wanting to see Alex because she wouldn't recognize her, which makes the trading Aaron thing even goofier.

still really bothers me that when jack is in his druggie crazy phase and he goes to steal meds from the hospital he says 'you go find my father and tell me he's not drunker than i am' or whatever... would jack be that out of it to say something like that? i don't think so. it's weird.

bear in mind he's a raging alcoholic and hopped up on random prescription meds that he wrote out for himself, so it's possible... and well people time jump in their minds all the time in the show!

but whatev-STAY ALL DAY, IF YOU WANT TO

plus he was having hallucinations of his father non stop...and his life consisted of flying to australia and back while drinking booze and taking meds. loved druggy jack

i can understand if they wanted to go for that kind of shock value if they were actually talking about polar bears dying from the ice caps melting

Uh hold on, that is what they're doing. It's kinda great imo.

i mean they could've done it directly by talking about the polar bear death toll, instead of comparing the weight of emissions to the weight of polar bears or w/e weird equation they used

polar bears did 9/11

So I've heard they (producers? fans?) have put up Facebook pages for alternate timeline Lost characters. The one I stumbled across so far is Cassidy Sawyer--obviously Cassidy married to Sawyer.

"producers? fans?"

quite an important distinction!

i've heard they have also put up descriptions of kate making sex on locke/ben/signey bristow, but im not sure if it's canon.

I mean I think it's official but I don't have confirmation. Could end up being like that polar bear promo.

Cassidy Sawyer is a profile page rather than a "Page" page, and she's a fan of all the spanish pages for Richard Alpert, Locke etc - definitely fake.

Skimming through season two, and while I'm getting annoyed at the amount of time they devoted to Charlie's boring life story, how on earth did I forget "You All Every Butties"?
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/2/29/Everybutties.jpg

eh just click it

oh god i don't remember that at all! what is that!?

Hehe, it's some ad for diapers that Drive Shaft are recording in one of Charlie's flashbackzzzzzzz. His brother Liam ends up selling his piano for drugs or something.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/You_All_Every_Butties

Promos time. No new footage yet though.

ABC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgMhI0JirlQ

Spanish promo which I like more cause um, Radiohead. Also, chess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C56Lgl6DorM

I like the chessboard thing but otoh WILLIE + I love that huge guitar part

Ooh liking the chessboard thing!

”Just finished re-watching Season 1 (yeah it took ages). Not too much that seems any different second time round, except a couple of things. Rousseau says she hasn't seen anyone else on the island, but has heard them - obviously crap”

She was specifically talking about the Others, right? I watched the Jin and Rousseau ep earlier today, and it's not necessarily a plothole. If Faraday was right about the variables and constants, then Jin would have been able to alter the course of events. That would explain why Rousseau didn't recognise him in S1.

yeah i'll just handwave that one away, since it's 20 years into her psycho past, and as crazy as she is Danielle probably doesn't think time travel/immortals exist

Yeah I'm not too worried about Danielle not recognising Jin - it's not that strange. It's just that they asked her if she'd ever seen anyone else on the island and she says no - but iirc they come right up to her and nicked the baby Alex.

I'm happy to explain this as she's crazy/lying/trying to protect them, it makes more sense than some of the stuff that happens in season 2 (e.g. Eko dreaming stuff he couldn't have known about then acting on it).

Locke is a good character to re-watch. He goes from seemingly wise all-knowing, to calling his life pathetic and trying desperately to piss people off (also beginning to get easily manipulated by Ben), but it's quite a good line and he could fall either side of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIFL104E9Ts

Official ABC get-caught-up video. Real life lols during a couple parts of that

oh man that was great - i loved the first 8:15 recap after season 3 and i loved this one (though half of it was exactly the same - poor tailies getting totally shafted)

lol this show is so ridiculous. very sad.

Interview with Cuse/Lindelof.

THR: Do you have any plans to pitch a new show, on ABC or elsewhere, for next season?

Lindelof: No. We don't. The world works in mysterious ways, but our full-time job for the last six years has been coming in here and working 70- to 80-hour weeks on "Lost." The idea of going back into the fray Brett Favre-style is not alluring to us. When we finish "Lost" we will disappear to our undisclosed locations then think about things for a while.

Cuse: I think the one thing that's pretty certain is neither of us have a great (urge) to do something that's this dense, sprawling and serialized. You need to exercise different creative muscles.

Lindelof: My hope is to rip off other successful shows.

THR: Like you've been ripped off?

Lindelof: Exactly. Maybe a show about vampires that work in an ad agency and one is a serial killer.

Cuse: Especially if the lead character is also cooking meth.

Lindelof: Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Almost guaranteed an Emmy. "Breaking Bad Men."

http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=lost+premiere+state+of+union

i know which one id choose

*sparks big joint*

he should do the address in front of the dharma logo tho

Odharma (sorry)

http://www.ugo.com/tv/lost/images/dharma-initiative-locations/the-barracks.jpg

Barracks o' Dharma

lol

hahahah

this has got to be part of the S6 storyline. too much of a coincidence.

also his wife is Michelle and last season featured Michelle from 24 briefly

is Ram the horse?

I'm afraid to read this thread until the show comes back.

i'm assuming people will link offsite or say 'spoiler' before posting any spoilers, though, right?

Yeah, we're pretty good about that on this thread.

teehee
this website lists some suggestions for a LOST theme park:

http://www.movieline.com/2010/01/lost-island.php?page=all

I don't know if I'm lolling more at the time-out room or the sandbox

They need a Room 23 Kiddy Creche

'gotta love des'

lmao
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2010/01/08/sots.gibbs.sotu.lost.cnn.html

lol

love it!

and this: http://twitter.com/CarltonCuse/status/7531606491

hah!

sepinwall liveblogs the final LOST panel: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2010/01/press_tour_live-blogging_the_f.html

Not much to report though other than that LIBBY will be back. which, if they're talking about it, prob means she's appearing for like six seconds or something.

It's nice if for no reason than just to give Hurley's story some kind of resolution. There was an EW interview recently I think where they were totally laying the blame at her Watros' feet for not coming back, it seemed kind of weird, but I guess it worked out.

Also good to hear that Michael would be back for sure - Perrineau was publically grumbling about how they took the character out (understandably!) so I wasn't sure if they would bother, but similarly Walt didn't get a scene with him.

9.29 - they say that (in Season 5 finale) Ben "stabs" Jacob. Not "kills"...
I mean it's pretty much a given that unless we see someone actually die they could still be walking around in the next ep (Jin, Locke, everyone ever) so I guess we didn't really believe it...

I don't believe anyone is dead. Except Adibisi.

And maybe Michelle Rodriguez.

Maybe my dream of a Labyrinth-style ending could come true then... Charlie partying with Ethan and all that.

that's actually an 8 1/2 style ending

it's gonna end with people walking around the island giving each other warm looks and sawyer giving everyone hugs, softly saying "frackles, frackles, frackles" while violins play for 30 minutes.

Maybe more like a Star Wars ending, you see the ghosts of Christian Shepherd, Charlie and the horse standing at the side digging the party.

frackles

really thought there'd be a trailer by NOW, i know there is some contest with 815 winners getting to see a sneak peek

i don't need a trailer. it's not like im not going to watch it. and the idea of it attracting new viewers is pretty unlikely.

i think they've said somewhere that the trailers won't have any new footage at all anyway. they seem pretty intent, more than usual, on keeping things under wraps for this season.

been re-watching season 5 because i got the dvds for christmas

man i'd forgotten how awful awful awful the off-island stuff is: the 'we have to go back' storyline never made sense to me and still doesn't

it's all made up for, of course, by the awesome time-jumping on the island and the 70s dharma stuff that comes later

tried watching some season 5 and found it horrrrribly boring. :(

what the fuck was atlas shrugged doing in the company of the other books the show promoted

They can't put any new footage in the trailer without blowing the cliffhanger. That said, I'm pretty sure the bomb going off didn't reset the timeline - watched the series again and Alperts "I watched them all die" recollection to Sun seemed to hint at it. It's possible the bomb blows back into the present day though.

i always thought alpert's 'i watched them all die' was bc of the gassing and im assuming they all... died. but i like that theory better!

There also has to be a reason why it was so important to Ellie that her son went back to the Island so she could kill him. And "that's how time works" doesn't really cut it.

I recently finished catching up and farraday's "don't you see....humans...they are the variables" thing was so stupid

farraday is cool tho

Yeah I love Farraday but it felt like they were taking his dialogue and just inserting familiar science words and then that was all somehow crucial to the plot and just like.. :\

I think Faraday was driven to being a soppy unscientific tit by thinking he could somehow save Charlotte, which he clearly couldn't.

i dunno pretty much everything they come up with on lost seems really stupid after a while and yet when you're watching it, they feel like the most important and mindblowing pieces of knowledge you'll ever receive.

Well, he kinda did save Charlotte, no?

He told her in 1977 never to go back to the island otherwise she would die, but she still went back in the present day, and remembered the crazy man telling her not to go back. Then she died.

But the bomb thing means everyone's alive now. Wasn't that Faraday's idea?

The bomb thing doesn't mean anything necessarily - Faraday couldn't save Charlotte by telling her not back to the island so I don't see why he should necessarily save everyone else by telling Jack to explode an atomic bomb.

didn't sayid say something like "the last time I saw concrete poured this thick it was in chernobyl" when he was in the hatch

i dunno pretty much everything they come up with on lost seems really stupid after a while and yet when you're watching it, they feel like the most important and mindblowing pieces of knowledge you'll ever receive.

so otm lol

yeah it's like a few months after the series the spell is broken and you've all these random shards of vaguely stupid info...

no doubt after a rewatch and once s6 starts the magic will work again.

The "we have to go back" stuff still seems unconvincing a second time around. Jack had always been single-minded about wanting to leave and didn't believe all the "island = your destiny" stuff - just because Locke said right at the end that he was going to move the island and then did, doesn't make everything else he said come true or make any sense.

One way of looking at it could be that Jack really didn't have much to live for with his dad and wife gone and so the vague notion of 'saving' everyone back on the island became overwhelmingly important to him. But they didn't really go with this angle.

Much as I love Lost what frustrates me the most is that none of the good storylines can exist without some sort of extra-bullshit explaining them.
Eko and Locke have some success on the island finding old Dharma stations etc - because Eko gets some information in a dream that he otherwise wouldn't have. Same with Locke and Jacob's cabin.

Miles and his ghost talking crap which it seems like you just have to accept is genuine Derek Akorah-style woo. Admittedly they haven't used this too much to advance the plot but it made the freighter guys believe that the Lost gang didn't kill Naomi, and it's used a few other times.

The time travel constant stuff - I'm willing to go with time travel as a viable mechanism (and was initially impressed that they seemed to be explicitly setting out the "what happened, happened" rules) but when they try to complicate this with the stupid idea of a constant and all of Faraday's other crap it just becomes completely random.

OTOH, I have possibly been watching a bit too much Lost...

To be fair though, didn't Jack want to go back also because he was going fucking mental? EG hallucinating, seeing his Dad? I don't think it was a rational thought process, he got back to the real world and totally lost his shit.

i can't keep it all in my tbqh, even when it's on. classic show but i've never rewatched any of it. i like it more for miles/ben awesomeness now than for the unfathomable plot.

"Faraday couldn't save Charlotte by telling her not back to the island so I don't see why he should necessarily save everyone else by telling Jack to explode an atomic bomb."
That's his Plan B -- the bomb goes up, they never crash, Charlotte never comes back to the island, or even if she does, sudden time vortex death syndrome doesn't apply.

charlotte was gd hot. come back charlotte!

yeah i gave up caring about whether it all fit together and made sense at some point during the last 2 seasons

still love this show tho. amazing ben moment from the S5 episode i watched last night:

ben and jack are sitting on the plane that will take them back to the island and jack asks what is going to happen to all the other people on the plane and ben turns to him and says "who cares?"

:D

dats what im talking about

yeah i'm almost done rewatching a lot of the show (cherrypicking S1-3 and all of 4 and 5), and even though it gets really muddled and ridiculous at points along the way i don't really mind, if anything it's more exciting to me as it goes along. it really gets pretty tiresome how often they let characters voice the audience's "that's riduculous!" reactions or go "it's not a question of where so much as....WHEN" though.

also half of season 3 is people returning to the base camp in slow motion after being captured or going through some crazy monster shit

or maybe that's season 4

charlotte was gd hot. come back charlotte!

not really. and any chance she had of being hot was ruined by that botched chipmunk blood makeup job they did during her death scene. wtf was that about?

you're saying she'd be hotter if covered in more realistic blood?

xxxxp
Haha there's an episode in Season 5 where Sayid/Kate keep asking Jack questions and he keeps going "that's not important right now". I woulda slapped him/ done that breakdance necksnapping thing with my legs if I was Sayid.

There are a lot moments involving Ben and/or Hurley that make the whole thing plain awesome.

Oh yeah I still haven't worked out why they gave Jack appendicitis in the Season 4 finale or thereabouts. Was it just to keep the gang on the beach for 5 mins instead of running off into the jungle?

no, but whenever i picture her now, i picture her with that fucked puffed-up upper lip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LRA73YgAHU

see @ :55

Haha there's an episode in Season 5 where Sayid/Kate keep asking Jack questions and he keeps going "that's not important right now"

God, I would rather them not ask questions at all than go through this charade.

it's always funny when lost becomes like an old pc adventure game. "i can't talk about that now, go to the hatch."

"i must leave now, my people will be wondering where I am."

i kinda would've liked a scene where Ben categorically insisted that they must pretend to be primitive tribe dudes to the survivors, handing Tom the fake beard and theatrical glue and TOm looking at Ben aghst saying "this isn't what i signed up for!" and Ben just giving the "stfu do as i say" look.

and later on nudging Goodwin "told you i could get him to wear a fake beard, that's $20 you owe me"

oh come on i'm sure tom lovvves theatrical things! ;-)

i love that they made tom gay. "when i'm in the city, i like to indulge in the finer things!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0UJTmNuaY

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x08/meetkevin279.jpg

i just like how needless revealing his sexuality was, it's actually almost refreshing they just made a character gay for no plot reason whatsoever. esp the way they hinted at it when kate was changing and he was like "you're not my type"

the hotel thing was silly but yeah, that kate scene was great.

Is that John Oates??

yeah hotel was a bit ludicrous, tho in the context of michael having a meltdown it was sort of funny.

nah, no 'stache

http://www.superiorpics.com/wenn_album/John_Oates_-_inspiring_moustache/John_Oates_001_290608.jpg

is there going to be more waaaalt in season 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqrLdMoAr4E

oh shit that's not the good waaaalt at all

ah here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUULXFNE0V0

http://www.myspace.com/previouslyonlostmusic

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=329982705&blogId=402923423

ha - i was amused

We know what happened to Lord Custos, at least. That's one mystery solved before the series even begins.

tho in the context of michael having a meltdown it was sort of funny

yeah, almost the "and on top of all this you're GAY?" reaction from Michael ha ha

We know what happened to Lord Custos, at least. That's one mystery solved before the series even begins.

― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:53 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

like jacob, custos is among the immortals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2010/jan/14/lost-season-6-teaser

Part 2: http://sky1.sky.com/lost-secrets-2

(I must brag that I helped make those and play the crew member with the Adam & Eve theory)...

ben and jack are sitting on the plane that will take them back to the island and jack asks what is going to happen to all the other people on the plane and ben turns to him and says "who cares?"

I like that at least a couple of the people on the plane were planted anyway. Pretty soon we're going to find out that half of the people on Oceanic flights over the pacific are somehow Dharma, Jacob, or Locke-related anyway.

nice! xpost

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091013125614AAbVRB5

^ ?

The "we have to go back" stuff still seems unconvincing a second time around. Jack had always been single-minded about wanting to leave and didn't believe all the "island = your destiny" stuff - just because Locke said right at the end that he was going to move the island and then did, doesn't make everything else he said come true or make any sense.

As unconvincing as this was, it wasn't as bad as the whole "we have to lie about where we were" business they went through when they got off the island. Like I understand that for the sake of the future story that they wanted to tell, it was necessary for the characters to lie. Just like it was necessary for the sake of the future story for the characters to go back to the island, but I really wish they were good enough writers to make this stuff convincing. The whole bit about protecting the rest of them from Whidmore didn't really even make superficial sense. There's lots of other shit like this in the show I remember if I could tolerate going back to rewatch it all. But the thing about Lost is that the first 3 and a half seasons are un-rewatchable, because most of the flachbacks just aren't very compelling a second time through and they're a big chunk of early episodes, especially for characters like Boone and Shannon.

Also thought it was funny in season five when Sawyer and Jack are arguing about what to do about Sayid cuz Sawyer was just sitting around reading and Sawyer goes into this speech about thinking and how when Jack was the leader he never thought, he just reacted. So Jack was like "I got us off the Island!" Yeah Jack, you got yourself and four other people off the island and then did nothing for the other survivors for three years. Great job.

I think people need to rewatch if they think jack deciding they had to go back didn't make sense. To my memory they played out jack's slow conversion to that view over loads of flash forwards. As I already said he starts seeing his dad everywhere, and basically loses his shit through the guilt of having left the rest behind, to die for all he knows. How is it not well explained?

I'd have to watch it again to see how the pact to lie about the island comes about, but I don't remember that seeming unnecessary either.

I mean hadn't they just left an island where widmore had sent a death squad to murder them all? Kinda might just make sense they didn't want to go back to the real world all Hi!

It doesn't matter if the lying to protect people from Widmore didn't make sense (it didn't - Widmore knew they were bullshitting). Surely the whole point is that Jack doesn't think before he acts? That's what that scene with Sawyer in the barracks was all about.

How does Widmore knowing they were bullshitting mean them telling that lie made no sense? Surely that just means the lie didn't quite work, not that the motivation for telling it made no sense?

Yeah actually now I think about it I suppose in Jack's mind there was no reason for Widmore to know who any of the Oceanic 6 were. But then again I don't think they were trying to bullshit Widmore, I think they were avoiding having to tell the entire world about an island that people have gone to a lot of trouble to keep secret.

It was a bit of all those things I think. I think Locke told Jack not to tell anyone. Also like...their actually true story would have been fucking insane.

Haha, I like that reasoning, because in Lost-world logic, it does make sense - trying to tell them they were on an island for all those months which no longer exists would make them all look like psychotic, murderous cannibals or something. Also remember - Widmore already did the whole immense cover-up with the fake plane, the dug up bodies and so on. So they'd look REALLY crazy! So they were going to have to make up some kind of lie.

the plane coverup is what confuses me: the fake crash was made to look like everyone died - all the bodies were 'discovered', right? so how did they explain the oceanic six being alive? (i admit i may have forgotten/missed something here)

I don't think that for the fake crash they ever claimed to have found/identified every single body

yeah they just seemed to go based on identifying the plane and the pilot and stuff. the lie the o6 told was based on where the fake plane was found etc

oh, i thought there was that purchase order for exactly the same number of bodies as were present on the real plane

I sort of assume Widmore did his best to make it appear as tho everyone was dead. But also in reality when they found the plane etc it was buried extremely well and they couldn't really check every body.

Is it true that Walter Peck from Ghostbusters is in the new series?

no but slimer will be

apparently yeah (xpost)

I hope Walter Peck is this year's redshirt who gets to act like a pissy dick for five minutes before getting killed in an amusing way.

william atherton is in LOST?!?!?

the atherton trilogy of assholes (real genius, ghostbusters, die hard) rivals that of william zabka (karate kid, back to school, just one of the guys)

Re Jack going back - I have rewatched it. Obviously it shows Jack losing his shit. But why would that make him want to go back? He managed to bring Kate and the baby back. He'd always wanted to do that. Kate is happy back home.

Jack's had some father issues and his dad's just died. He's bound to go a bit crazy and surely being a 'man of science' this would be his first explanation (to himself/anyone else?) as to why he's losing it.

There's no reason for Jack to think that the people left on the island are in danger. Unless he suddenly believes all the stuff Locke's been spouting about them leaving = direct cause of danger to other survivors. As I said, the island moving could have convinced him that Locke is knower of all things after all, but seeing how much airtime they give to Jack just "losing it" he never says anything about this afaik.

I agree that he might reasonably start worrying about the danger the others are in due to Smokey etc (regardless of Locke's arguments) but why would he even assume they were alive three years later? It took a few weeks for most of the survivors to get picked off.

OTOH "the lie" makes a lot of sense - they'd have to answer some awkward questions otherwise and they know a very powerful man is desperate to keep the island under wraps and will kill to do so. So yeah, I'd lie.

no reason? wouldn't he think widmore would still be trying to protect the island by any means necessary, including killing the survivors?

He might, but what I'm saying is he never mentions this, never wonders whether three years later they would have all been killed or whatever. There's never a clear reason given for him wanting to go back (and - importantly - putting Kate etc in danger once again) other than "oh I'm losing it wah"

just because we didn't have a specific scene of jack going 'hmm i wonder if they're dead' doesn't mean he hasn't wondered about it. and ben did imply that jin was still alive... i think his reason is mostly escapism and feeling like he will never really be able to be a part of normal society again.

i mean, it's like, he leaves --> life falls apart. it's pretty clear he thinks his life fell apart because he was not supposed to leave, so if he goes back, he'll be happy/functional again.

I kind of thought that was the point; namely, Jack only wanted to return to the island because he was losing his shit and that was the last place where he found happiness.

xp: yeah, that

That's kind of what I mean. He didn't ever believe Locke's "you're supposed to /not supposed to" arguments. So is he now a convert to destiny etc? Why? Because his life fell apart? All I mean is it's just surprising in this show, where they give people quite clear motivations, for Jack to become a 'man of faith' without it being a major plot point.

Escapism seems the most likely aspect I guess, but I'm just never quite convinced of his motivations. Maybe he wants to see Ghost Christian again.

how is it any worse than hurley believing in being cursed?

did you miss how Jack basically turned into a gigantic crying blouse

Hang on, I could be completely wrong. I'm only part way through Season 5 re-watch and haven't got to the bit where Locke appears to Jack to tell him all about how nasty the island is since he left. Lostpedia seems to think this was a main influence in sending him back.

well also he kind of flips out when locke says "oh hey your dad says hi"

The Locke meeting is what causes his depression (that and suspicions about Kate on the phone). Makes more sense now, having Locke & Jack showdown off-island. I think I had the different bits of the story in the wrong order in my head.

All I mean is it's just surprising in this show, where they give people quite clear motivations, for Jack to become a 'man of faith' without it being a major plot point.

Yeah I agree with this - Lost used to spend so long on back-story that any characters motivation for doing anything would become painfully obvious. So it's surprising here that there is even any debate as to what his intentions for going back were. In the episode I watched last night Juliet confronts Jack in the shower about why he came back, not believing it was to save those they left behind but for his own selfish reasons, and Jack reveals he thinks coming back to the island is his destiny (or something along those lines). This is a seismic shift in Jack's personality and imo hasn't been explained yet. That said the show could probably do without another episode filling any of that wack off-island phase of the story at this point.

As for the other characters:

kate - wants to find claire and bring her back to the mainland
hurley - no idea ? am i forgetting something ?
sayid - wasn't intentional
sun - wants to find jin [why did sun not go back to the 70s?]

My main other gripes with the 'the lie' is as follows: what made them think that if they lied and did nothing that everyone else left on the island would be safe? For the entirely of their stay on the island they were constantly in danger...even before the Widmore character was brought into the show...so why would they be safe now?

other things that have pissed me off rewatching:

- why does everyone talk about 'their people' so much. at what point do other human beings you are trapped with on an island become 'your people'. would like to know please thanks

- ben says that 'his people' don't even have a name for 'the monster'. i mean wtf? how do they talk about it then? would seem a bit difficult tbh

I dunno, I really felt and believed the sense that everything just went fucking wrong for Jack once he left the island. I don't think, having made a difficult decision to leave this weirdo fucking island where so much crazy shit happened, that it's that weird for him to want to go back, to think "maybe I wasn't actually supposed to leave", not least when he's hallucinating and shit and seeing his Dad. The sense for me was that there was no real equilibrium to his life when he left.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack

LG, that's how it appeared in the order the episodes were aired, but seems he was ok for a while, stuff started going wrong only after 2 years or so off-island (so that's why it didn't sit well with me that he would instantly decide leaving the island was the cause of everything going wrong). I guess it all built up into general craziness then Locke's visit was the final nail in the coffin (Locke taking advantage of Jack's state of mind to manipulate him into going back?) - need to re-watch that ep.

Oh yeah and I reeeealllly wish Kate would stop called Aaron 'my son' rather than just, y'know, 'Aaron', because every single person she says it to seems to reply "he's not your son!" and she gets pissed off.

it still pisses me off that Locke's note to Jack was just "I wish you had believed me". I think that was my least favourite thing about the entire last season.

wish it had been "4 8 15 16 23 42"

wish it had been "hi jack, i left a lump of cheese in the hatch back when we were on the island, only to find it unwrapped and half eaten!!! you were in the hatch that day. what happened??? i'm confused! Locke."

hurley - no idea ? am i forgetting something ?

SOmething to do with Charlie telling him to go, hence the guitar case.

It wasn't Charlie, it was Jacob. Also there were dudes trying to kill Hurley all over the place and he'd already had his "this is fucked up" moment at the start of the season.

I think part of the problem was that the Locke episode in the last season was so badly written, ESPECIALLY the face-offs with Jack and Kate. They could have done so much more with those scenes than just "nyerr, you just want to go back to the island because you've never had a girlfriend".

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Jack's sudden change of mind to come back to the island (which only happened within a matter of like 48 hrs by the way) isn't as weird as Kate's reversal, which was even shorter, but whatever. They leave a lot of shit to be inferred here, but it's all somehow plausible. Also to answer someone upthread, it was Jacob himself who convinced Hurley to go back.

I still don't find the original Oceanic six lie about the island convincing, though. It's kind of garbage in my opinion. I just know that the story needed them to lie, so they did without ever having a convincing rationale.

I dunno, I guess I just love and hate this show at the same time. As much as I love this show, so much of it is so dumb in my opinion, and always has been.

how can we even be talking about bullshitty motivations and changes of heart in S5 as if any of them are at all crazy compared to Juliet's 10-minute turn around from "we have to stop them from blowing up the island!" to "we have to blow up the island!" in the finale?

haha, good point!

just take the convoluted Lost logic and strap in for the ride, guys, that's how it's been since the first episode

yeah that's otm.

oh yeah, don't get me wrong, i'm fine with the show glossing over motivation and character traits to get from A to B, but if we're gonna gripe Jack going back to the island is small potatoes

i mean i STILL don't understand the thing about Kate getting a guy killed over a little toy plane or whatever

oh my god. LOL. thanks for the reminder. I hated that bullshit when it happened. That was like the first episode that I thought was terrible.

Just re-watched the one in S5 where they actually go back and that probably contains THE most irritating bits - Kate making some huge deal about Jack NEVER ASKING about Aaron again (she only gave him to Claire's mum, right?) and Mrs Hawking telling Jack not to worry about how ridiculous it all sounds but saying he needs to give Dead Locke something of Christian's... that is probably the most video-game shit of the whole series.

I think I gave up on ever trying to decide Juliet's motivations after the first 10 seconds she was in it. Jack can trust her... OR CAN HE.. no actually he' can't... OR CAN HE...

Oh yeah and how come Kate's allowed to fly? Isn't she on probation or something?

it wasn't a public jet was it?

Mrs Hawking telling Jack not to worry about how ridiculous it all sounds but saying he needs to give Dead Locke something of Christian's... that is probably the most video-game shit of the whole series

I think stuff like that is so batshit it kinda doesn't matter, given we're talking about a series where there are giant monsters made of smoke that kill people.

That's actually kinda why I'm not so bothered about a resolution to things like Smokey, because "a giant security system that judges people and then kills/forgives them" is enough for me. Any further attempt to explain it away would just seem a bit ridiculous. I'm kinda fine with shit just being magic at this stage.

there's magic and there's humans just being unconvincingly irrational and stupid but yeah

just while smokey has been brought up....I'm going into s6 assuming jacob's blackshirted enemy is smokey. is that basically a take for granted fact now? also my theory is that he was living in the cabin and when someone broke the ash he escaped. hence why the ajira dudes all burn the cabin down...

It isn't even remotely a take-for-granted fact. In fact I think it's probably not the case at all - it's just something people have said on the internet.

well I think it prob is true....

It's really a pretty dumb idea, dude. Not that that'd stop them

erm...despite the fact he's controlling this fake locke...seems a pretty telegraphed on way of them suggesting it's him, considering the history of dead people being controlled by smokey.

Yeah, but the escape? He was attacing long before anything happened to the cabin, iirc

yeah but it seems somehow significant...

Ha dude you've just summed up all of LOST ever, y'know

"a giant security system that judges people and then kills/forgives them" is enough for me.

there was an idea in a previous lost thread that bears repeating: that smokey wanted to guilt mr. eko into submission by appearing as his brother, and killed eko because eko wasn't scared of it

Jack wasn't scared of his dad, just pretty freaked

doesn't eko say something to the effect that he knows it's not his brother?

Yeah, the working theory (haha) for now is that Smokey works for Titus Welliver aka Black Shirt aka Esau or whatever. This is mostly due to Smokey not killing Ben and telling him to do whatever Fake Locke wants right? Makes sense.

The cabin thing I think is explained but I'm a little confused on that. It's possible that everything with the cabin is Smokey/Black shirt-guy related, and he was trapped in the cabin until recently, the dead serving him, etc. all the way through season 3 when it was introduced.

What was that other thing? The one that took trees down and nearly sukced Locke underground... kinda thought it ws an early Smokey

that was smokey obv.

my theory would also be that whoever was inhabiting the cabin was smokey/black shirt guy all along, and he set up locke even at the stage of ben bringing them both to the cabin. ben didn't have a clue about who jacob was or wasn't anyway, as per the end of s5.

I think part of the problem was that the Locke episode in the last season was so badly written, ESPECIALLY the face-offs with Jack and Kate. They could have done so much more with those scenes than just "nyerr, you just want to go back to the island because you've never had a girlfriend".

Terry O'Quinn agrees with you, he said to a guy from Sky One that he thought Locke's attempts to talk everybody into coming back were 'pretty weak' ... and implied that Locke's being ineffectual made his attempted suicide scene work.

Given the fact that there have been a few scenes in which they're establishing that you never see Locke and smokey at the same time (latest example being Ben's confrontation with Alex), I think they're signalling pretty strongly that smokey, various dead folk, Locke, and Esau are all the same guy. Which is weird because sometimes the dead can touch you (Alex) and sometimes can't (Christian, Esau). And smokey seems to have no problem grabbing hold of people.

my theory would also be that whoever was inhabiting the cabin was smokey/black shirt guy all along, and he set up locke even at the stage of ben bringing them both to the cabin. ben didn't have a clue about who jacob was or wasn't anyway, as per the end of s5.

Yeah, agreed. Ilana pretty much confirmed this when she showed up at the cabin.

I'm having a hard time making all the details add up, but the impression I have is that Esau created the idea of Locke as 'special' or 'future leader of the Others', gave that idea to Locke, Locke wanders through time telling everyone that he's the leader of the Others, voila, he's the leader, and thus in a position to get close to Jacob. That's a hell of a long con, and I'm not even getting into the idea of Esau as pretending to be Jacob for years and years. It's dizzying!

locke is the first to actually encounter smokey, isn't he? and afterwards he seems almost euphoric - is that when the esau dude somehow connects with him?

Sorry, I should have said 'undead Locke and smokey aren't around at the same time' rather than 'Locke and smokey'.

I think your Esau long con theory works because of the time-travelling. Esau-Smokey-Locke only comes into existence post-2007 crash, after Real-Locke is dead in a box.

2007 Esau-Smokey-Locke simply tricks Alpert into getting Real-Locke, who's skipping through time, to go to the past and tell everyone he's the Others' leader... and voila, in the future, Locke is their leader.

i guess this is why the question of whether the bomb resets everything is pretty key - presumably all of Esau's plans hinge on Oceanic 815 crashing in the first place.

I think your Esau long con theory works because of the time-travelling. Esau-Smokey-Locke only comes into existence post-2007 crash, after Real-Locke is dead in a box.
2007 Esau-Smokey-Locke simply tricks Alpert into getting Real-Locke, who's skipping through time, to go to the past and tell everyone he's the Others' leader... and voila, in the future, Locke is their leader.

Exactly - you've got it. I think a lot of the setup for Locke as leader of the others comes in the last few eps of season 5. Richard seems really deferential to Locke in past episodes, but towards the end of season 5 he says that he didn't find anything special about Locke at all (the Dalai Lama selection scene in which Richard visits a child Locke). He's promoted to think of Locke as leader because Locke's told him he's the leader a few times in Richard's past. Richard follows through with this, and is also pretty amazed at stuff like the compass, etc.

The way I see it is that Locke and Esau had no connection at all until he reached the island. Once there Esau determines that this is the guy to usurp Ben's place as leader, nobody really sees why Locke is so great, but enough weird shit is happening around him that people like Richard say 'well, the island must have chosen you, okay'.

Jack, Kate and Charlie encounter Smokey in the very first episode, except we don't see him.

That long con theory definitely works apart from the question of why Jacob would bring Locke back to life when he falls from the building. But I don't suppose we know what Jacob wants with them all in the first place.

I'm not sure that Locke is necessarily completely dead, or entirely the man in black, he might be a new unaging Richard Alpert type. Locke didn't appear to recognise the statue foot when they arrived there in the last episode, which is a pretty big giveaway.

My own theory is that the Island is a prison and both Jacob and the other dude (I refuse to call him Esau) are trapped there but kind of cancel each other out. They can't kill each other for some reason. My guess is that the remaining survivors aren't there to save the Island at all, their destiny is to destroy it.

The Alpert/Ilana shit in the next season is going to be massively important, isn't it?

ooh i like the destroying the island theory.

Also what would have happened if Ben had pushed the wheel completely and not left it hanging? the people left behind would've just gotten stuck at the first timeline they travelled to.

More likely the island would have moved in space and there'd have been no time jumping at all.

i guess this is why the question of whether the bomb resets everything is pretty key - presumably all of Esau's plans hinge on Oceanic 815 crashing in the first place.

Jacob seems to be the guy who's interested in having people arrive on the island, so I don't see Esau working behind the scenes to make the crash happen. I think Jacob's 'they're coming' either refers to Ilana's crew or the 815ers (or both), both groups selected by Jacob off-island.

Jacob and the other dude (I refuse to call him Esau) are trapped there but kind of cancel each other out. They can't kill each other for some reason..

Same as Ben and Widmore. I assumed it was a timeloop thing - 'you can't kill me because I don't die' or something.

The Alpert/Ilana shit in the next season is going to be massively important, isn't it?

Yeah, not seeing how Jacob/OtherDude/Others communicate with each other for five seasons is kind of maddening. What the hell are their expectations of each other? What the hell do the Others think all day long?

The Others spend their time learning latin, honing their ninja skills and experimenting on pregnant women. Obvs.

If they drop the ball of explaining what the hell they were doing with kids and Walt I will be seriously bugged.

I thought they just wanted kids to raise as more Others as they couldn't have any of their own. Although they did say that most of the Others were 'recruited' rather than born on the island, but I have a feeling this is something they won't go into much further.

What's the significance of Ilana again? Still working through the end of S5...

I think Locke is one of the more interesting characters, on re-watch. I think first time round I was too influenced by him being a great boar-hunter, confident on the island etc that I thought there *was* an argument for him being genuinely "special".

However now it appears he's pretty easily manipulated and doesn't really understand the island at all - he believes he does, wants to and has been told he's special (because as mentioned above he later goes back and makes Alpert etc believe he is). There's a great scene that seems to illustrate this - Season 4 finale when Ben is chucking the stuff into the time machine thing down in the Orchid - he asks something like "so is this the magic box?" and Ben just looks at him like he's beyond stupid "...no!!"

The whole thing with him "realising" that entering the numbers in the hatch was an experiment... he sees a whole set of TVs in that hatch with one or two switched on and monitoring the Swan hatch, then sees a video saying that the hatch he's in can be used to monitor psychological experiments. Cue him trying to prevent the numbers being entered.
Later they go back to the monitoring hatch and someone else switches on the other TVs which are pointing all over the island. (IE *these* were where the experiments are, rather than the Swan? Never quite clear on that...) Locke: "well, now I feel stupid".

If he's really just a bumbling fool, I'm still not sure what the deal was with him hearing Jacob in the cabin first time round, though.

Jacob goes to see Ilana in hospital, she's covered in bandages, he says he needs her help for something. Next thing we know she's on her way to the island with Sayid in tow.

Maybe whatever was in the cabin wanted to be seen by Locke, and didn't want to be seen by Ben?

My thought was that Locke's not hearing Jacob at all, but MIB/Esau. It's important for Locke to be seen as having the hotline to the gods rather than Ben, so Ben gets cut out of the exchange.

Locke's a really tragic figure on rewatch because you used to think of him as becoming special by means of his own agency - now you see he's just a pawn. Kate makes the point that he's obsessed with finding meaning in his life rather than just living it and finding meaning that way. Both Ben and Locke are so messed up by their fathers being complete bastards that they have no ability to accept or forgive themselves for being what they are, so they think the only way for them to be worthy is to serve a higher power.

Season 4 finale when Ben is chucking the stuff into the time machine thing down in the Orchid - he asks something like "so is this the magic box?" and Ben just looks at him like he's beyond stupid "...no!!"

That just kills me every time. I think that's the funniest Ben reaction shot ever. 'I'm a Pisces' might be close second.

"This rabbit didn't happen to have a number on it, did it?"

Also "My mother taught me to read" and "Who cares?" on the plane.

Ben seriously cracks me up.

I don't think it will happen as the writers have set up his redemption arc very well but I really hope it doesn't boil down to Locke being a pawn his whole life cause that's a horrible cop-out for a great character.

I don't think it will happen as the writers have set up his redemption arc very well but I really hope it doesn't boil down to Locke being a pawn his whole life cause that's a horrible cop-out for a great character.

I don't know if it's a cop-out but a warning for what happens when you attempt to outsource your reason to live - Jacob's 'what about you?' sounds a lot like '... and couldn't you have been finding some other source of happiness rather than demanding it of me?' to me. At this point I don't know how you redeem Locke, him being dead and all. Unless his life and memories affect MIB in some way.

I'm thinking (or hoping) that both Locke and Jack - both having reached punishment for their stances on faith vs. reason, both find some kind of salvation in the final year, since supposedly that is one of the main themes for this eason. I don't think the showrunners are really going to just throw Locke down the well as far as being a total chump since Day 1, but even if they do it would fit the show as we've seen - but I don't think this show is inherently that pessimistic (though they love cruel irony and melodrama).

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Nice, I am suitably chastised.

Love that the producers are in there ...

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lol @ Onion video

There is absolutely no question that Locke is Esau in the last ep. At the v end Jacob says "you found your loophole" which pretty much makes it a certainty.

Indeed

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plus you know...the small issue of the entire plot of that story arc in the finale being that locke was being controlled by dude in black because he wanted to find a way to kill jacob...

jacob didnt seem too worried about anything

yeah esau seemed more worried about the people coming than jacob did about getting stabbed

He wove his own kevlar vest one thread at a time

yeah jacob was super-relaxed...i bet he was still smiling beatifically even after locke threw him onto the fire

well, he was all "i'll be right here" when the guy said he'd find a way to kill him. kinda fits in with the whole "help me" thing of Jacob being trapped in the cabin or on the island (even if apparently that may have been the other guy all along, i guess).

Yeah, I was wondering that too. Also why MIB had no idea where Jacob might be, I thought that was strange that he didn't know and had to be led there.

Well he couldn't have said if he knew as how would Locke have known?

if i was esau i would've had some of jacob's fish you know. looked pretty good. "i just ate" - oh what you ate better than stone cooked fish on a leaf okay

human souls are probably tastier to egyptian aliens than fish.

xxp though i don't really get why he didn't just kill jacob himself instead of talking ben into it?

Well he couldn't have said if he knew as how would Locke have known?

Well, he's MIB with Locke's memories. And I was thinking that there was a point to Jacob's "When you do I'll be right here". Pretty minor point though. The 'I just ate' line will be referenced again, I betcha. I think MIB eats bowls of iron filings for breakfast.

No I mean more like...wouldn't they have got suspicious maybe if he knew stuff that Locke couldn't have known, like Jacob's whereabouts?

xxp though i don't really get why he didn't just kill jacob himself instead of talking ben into it?

yeah not sure...is this the "loophole"?

though i don't really get why he didn't just kill jacob himself instead of talking ben into it?

Maybe he needed a real live human to do it?

I still think it's more likely that Locke is possessed, or there's part of him in there as well as the dude in black. I don't think the writers would wipe him out completely and then leave his spirit form wandering around for ages.

The other flaw in the Long Con argument was that it depended on Ben, Jack, Ellie and the woman in the butcher's shop bringing Locke's body back in the correct way. We don't yet know what prompted Ben to take that course of action though.

the white flash reset everything so Locke is still alive but wheelchair-bound. So now there are three Lockes?

yeah possibly possessed...but then the dead body thing seems a pretty explicit way of saying "there's locke and here's this complete imposter". but yeah it would be weird if the real locke was just gone now for the entire rest of the show...

No I mean more like...wouldn't they have got suspicious maybe if he knew stuff that Locke couldn't have known, like Jacob's whereabouts?

Oh man, of course, you're right. Though he did charge around acting like he knew all sorts of things because 'the island told me', so what he's professing to know is pretty inconsistent.

The other flaw in the Long Con argument was that it depended on Ben, Jack, Ellie and the woman in the butcher's shop bringing Locke's body back in the correct way. We don't yet know what prompted Ben to take that course of action though.

Yeah, this kind of depends on who Ben/the Others were actually taking orders from - Ben says that he has to get Locke back there, and Widmore is very keen on getting Locke back there as well, which makes me wonder if MIB was ordering people around from the cabin as Jacob. But it is a pretty big hole.

xpost yeah if he'd really done his homework on locke he could have ranted on about anything!

Wasn't Ben only interested in Locke being on the plane to match the conditions of the flight as closely as possible (since he is really only interested in getting back)?

In his butcher shop conversation he makes it sound like it's a big deal that Locke be returned intact.

I love since he's a compulsive liar he's the character most free of continuity problems.

ha! half the characters on the show are compulsive liars!

w/r/t to Locke's body - dead characters wandering around the island have to have their bodies on island (i'm not sure whether they actually have to have died there): Remi, Christian, Alex. So if Locke's body is off-island, no dead Locke to possess.

I love the long con deception layers - there's no holy "island" consciousness that Ben, Widmore and Locke all believe in, but actually Jacob and Esau - the same way the "others" are Ben and Widmore duking it out (the original S1 others vs. S4 invaders).

kind of hate that because the show becomes

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it was a chess game all along

ok so I put an image between those two lines and it isnt showing up but just imagine a boot stamping on an island's face

forever

yeah it's funny how the implied big bad or most ominous/mysterious character has shifted over and over through the course of the show -- Ethan then Mr. Friendly then Ben then Richard then Widmore then Jacob then Jacob's enemy and so on.

u forgot the most hated character

michelle rodriguez

yo man, that is uncool

nah she was my most hated i think!

I thought "the Sheriff" was pretty ominous/mysterious too but hey then they forgot about her along with everything else :(

What would be really awesome would be if the next/final Locke flashback was what happened to him immediately after the Ajira Airlines flight crashed on the Island.

i like the idea that there could be thanks to the jughead reset a 3rd locke still in a wheelchair actually...maybe it's HIS destiny to save everyone.

btw guys you realize season 6 is only THIRTEEN FUCKING DAYS AWAY!??!!!

3rd locke's destiny is to save everyone from 2nd locke

it's a good time for TV - dollhouse is almost over, but Burn Notice is back tomorrow and Damages is back next week... THEN i can go into full HYPE!!! mode for Lost

the next locke flashback should be him inexplicably working at a taco stand

I'm fuckin hungry

k thank god the rain hasn't driven the taco truck away

What would be really awesome would be if the next/final Locke flashback was what happened to him immediately after the Ajira Airlines flight crashed on the Island.

erm...his corpse shifted an inch in the box???

after it lands on the taco stand obvs.

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TACO I CAN'T MAKE