New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

(the old thread was getting too big)

So January 26, 2010 is the big media event for the iSlate/iTablet/iWhatever. Rumors and lusting go here.

FWIW, Gruber has a decent analysis of the tablet here: http://daringfireball.net/2009/12/the_tablet

More commentary...

Desktops can use fast, cheap, power-hungry, high-capacity hardware and present your applications on giant screens. They can have lots of ports, accept lots of peripherals, and perform any possible computing role. Their interface is a keyboard and mouse, a desk, and a chair. They’re always internet-connected, they’re always plugged in, they always have their printers and scanners and other peripherals connected, and their in-use ergonomics can be excellent. But you can only use desktops when you’re at those desks.

iPhones use slow, low-capacity, ultra-low-power hardware on a tiny screen with almost no ports and very few compatible peripherals. They can do only a small (albeit useful) subset of general computing roles. They are poorly suited to text input of significant length, such as writing documents or composing nontrivial emails, or tasks requiring a mix of frequent, precise navigation and typing, such as editing a spreadsheet or writing code. But they’re always in your pocket, ready to be whipped out at any time for quick use, even if you’re standing, walking, riding in a vehicle, eating, or waiting on a line at the bank. You can carry one with you in nearly any circumstances without noticing its size or weight.

Laptops are a strange, inefficient tradeoff between an iPhone’s portability and a desktop’s capabilities. They don’t satisfy either need extremely well, but they’re much closer to desktops than they are to iPhones. The usefulness and portability gap between a laptop and an iPhone is staggeringly vast (1:00). You don’t have them with you most of the time, they’re big and heavy (even the MacBook Air weighs 10 times as much and consumes about 10 times as much space as an iPhone 3GS), and they can only be practically used while sitting down (or standing at a tall ledge). Ergonomics are awful unless you effectively turn them into desktops with stands and external peripherals. But they can do nearly any computing task that desktops can do, and they’re able to replace desktops for many people.

Many devices (real, vapor, and theoretical) have tried to fill that vast portability gap between laptops and iPhones (even back when they were called PDAs and they didn’t have voice or wireless data capabilities and nobody bought them except rich people and geeks like me). Historically, this has never succeeded in a way that’s even close to mass-market penetration, including impressively forgettable eras as the “palmtop” computer and the Tablet PC.

Slate-type devices, like the thank-God-it-was-canned Smart Display and the it-might-be-released-now-but-who-cares JooJoo, have the limitations of keyboard-less design that make long text entry or complex editing impractical. But their screens are too large to comfortably use for frequent touch input. And they’re too big to fit in a pocket.

Tiny-keyboarded devices, like the thank-God-it-was-also-canned Palm Foleo and nearly every netbook, haven’t proven to be useful to most people because they’re simply smaller laptops, replicating nearly every laptop flaw while forcing compromises on laptop functionality. The keyboards are too small to be anywhere near as useful as a desktop’s or laptop’s, and the devices are far too large to be pocketed.

(I have no idea what the Microsoft Surface is for.)

The text-input mechanism seems to be the big hurdle required to bridge this portability-and-usefulness gap. So far, nobody has nailed it.

I don’t know what Apple has in mind for the Tablet, but they nailed it with the iPhone: after decades of clunky, awkward, mediocre pocket computers, I think it’s safe to say that the large touchscreen is the best input mechanism for them.

But the decision isn’t nearly as clear for a slate-type device with a 7-10” screen, which most people assume to be the Tablet’s form factor. There doesn’t seem to be a good solution. No device in this category has ever even been close to good. This — and Jobs’ toilet comment, as mentioned in John’s article — is what kept me doubting the Tablet’s existence for so long. But even the most conservative intelligence-gathering indicates that the Tablet project is extremely likely to be not only real, but close to release. (Although the late-January event seems a bit soon and could plausibly be for other products, like iLife.)

I see two possible outcomes: either Apple has come up with a radical new input method for this form-factor that will overcome the fundamental problems that made every other similar device suck, or the Tablet isn’t this form-factor.

(Sure, there’s a third possibility: that Apple is repeating the mistakes of similar products and making their own JooJoo or Foleo. But that’s too unlikely — and stupid — for me to take seriously.)

Given that the reliable information we have to go on is… absolutely nothing, either outcome seems equally likely. I predict the new-input-method solution. I have doubts that such a product could be as much of a replacement for general-purpose portable computing as John predicts, but I’m wrong a lot.

it is upon us

yeah I bumped the other thread today cos I thought the thing was today

VVVVVVV this poster is dumb

it's perhaps a sign of my fanboyism that I am already imagining how I'm gonna use this thing before it's even been announced

like I was thinking on the train today "hmm wouldn't it be nice if I had a nicely laid out electronic version of the times to page through at this very moment"

leaked/fake ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysW2T0kf4As&feature=player_embedded

For names, I am rooting for iPad.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/New-Commercial-Shows-Apple-iPad-Tablet.aspx

WHOA xpost. Yeah, that video.

carnival of stupid is in full swing already
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vmIMIua4M5k/S131Zg4pM4I/AAAAAAAAAWQ/TtNaxyrxCko/picture-16.png

I'm ready to buy one just so I can use this: http://www.bitcartel.com/comicbooklover/

(comic book reader for iPhone and Mac that supports cbz and cbr files)

pretty sure steve's one more thing won't be the tablet but DUKE NUKEM FOREVER

I wonder if these guys who make these fake ads think they're gonna get a job in apple's advertising department as a a result

such a waste of fcp/motion skills

still think this guy should have got a gig
http://img.skitch.com/20100126-dhhynmssew6iwujmhjyq5pdc.jpg

Is the event tomorrow or Wednesday?

Wednesday

Momus has one

http://imomus.livejournal.com/520114.html

bah its fake!

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/tabletchart.png

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/the-apple-tablet-a-complete-history-supposedly/

Please let this thing run Serato.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/01/26/tablet

exciting

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5955/itablet.jpg

Dilute Dilute OK!

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/9762/files/angelpod500.png

Please let this thing run Serato.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Serato is actually the main interface to the OS

I hear the tablet is actually manufactured by Numark and will come with red racing stripes.

comes with a grounding wire

will also function as a fridge magnet iirc

you have to buy two of them to be a real tablet dj

like this guy:

http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Moses-Jobs72.jpg

so amazing the amount that has been written (and illustrated) about this w/o apple publicly saying word one about it

i heard it can go up stairs by itself

I heard it doesn't have a name so death can't find it, it doesn't have a home or people to care for. it's not afraid of anything, men least of all. It's fast and strong like a big wind. It can hear for a hundred miles and see a hundred miles underwater. It can hide in the shadow of a noon sun. It could be right behind you and you wouldn't know it 'til you're dead.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/is-this-the-apple-tablet/

CANT WAIT TO NOT BUY THIS

haha fantastic post gukbe

yeah, good post, but from what I'm reading none of that is confirmed

i want to be jaded and w/e but i have a feeling that i'm really, really gonna want one of these immediately

ur a doctor qed

sike! me too

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/imomus/more/ipad2.jpg

Harvey Dent, he's at it again!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/

starting in 17 minutes

From that engadget post:

9:42AM Okay! We're in our seats and there's some Dylan playing on the sound system!

9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.

Well, now I know not to read that coverage.

basically a party in the U.S.A.

new board motto

I hope the home button isn't in the middle of the tablet, as has been shown in all the mock ups; it makes sense on the iphone (where the thumb lands innit) but wouldn't on a tablet (on the same principle)

http://www.justin.tv/#r=y6Ire8c

where is the best coverage going to be?

oh shit, didn't know TWiT was doing a live show. thanks cozen!

Exciting updates from Ars Technica:

There's a chair and table on stage

not on verizon that's for sure

xxpost

http://c0581892.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-tablet-keynote_004.jpg

gorenography

here we go!

i'm wayyyyyy too fucking excited

you can hear Jobs speaking on the Justin.tv link

http://www.justin.tv/#r=uGgAhEQ

ipad

omg 'iPudding' who saw it coming

there it is

more bezel than screen

lol at the billionaire laying into "cheap laptops"

Every page and irc channel just crashed right now

ibezel

http://c0581892.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-tablet-keynote_039.jpg

holding the internet in yr hands

LOL

in fairness, cheap laptops are terrible things

you write on the screen with chalk or sharp stones

If that's a real Facebook page she's about to get far too much attention.

lol NYT and Chad Ocho Cinco screengrabs

"What this device does is extraordinary. You can browse the web with it."

did they put fm radio in the iphone yet

Steve demoing unit while sitting on couch.

I hear that can get you arrested.

'today we are going to unveil a revolutionary new product... flush headphone jack & fm radio in iphone'

http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/01/27/dbd_sign.jpg

lol @ this on the gizmodo live blogging/apple event page:

Jason Chen: Steve Jobs is on stage, and he looks about the same as we last saw him (kinda skinny, but not unhealthily skinny).

From the Engadget live page

10:16AM We're basically just watching Steve casually browse. This is odd.

"It's so much more intimate than a laptop."

jerking off JUST GOT REAL

is this big enough to have a webcam feed of someone else going, and to have it fill the whole screen, and then to walk down the street holding it up like the head is your head

All those augmented reality apps are going to be interesting now.

getting srs dsi xl vibes off this thing

would def love to have one of these for school---they are going to nail the collegiate market

iTunes interface looks very nice

ebooks going to be awesome on this. already do a shitload of reading on instapaper and eucalyptus but they're just a bit too small

praying he announces adding ebooks to iTunes

http://imgur.com/gTmPN.png

Hahahah

steve jobs is driving his car over the ipad to prove that it is more resistant than cds

praying he announces adding ebooks to iTunes

lol

customisable background images
THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE

you need the thick bezel so that you can hold onto it without accidentally activating shit

yeah I know I ws just fooling

Historically AAPL has always dropped during product announcements/keynotes

apparently this thing splits up into a separate phone, music player and filofax

legit q brought up by someone on another board:

do you have to ~sync~ this thing??? is it not a stand alone device? can i watch/listen to booted media on it? can i actually do non-consumptive tasks with it?

xxpost -- True enough, but that completely describes my reactions to this thing so far.

so just to confirm: so far we have a real big iphone.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/business/ipad.html

dont really get what the big deal is tbh

is is called "ipad"? (not watching)

it's called "unicorn"

10h battery

so just to confirm: so far we have a real big iphone.

Correct. Waiting for the book/reader anouncements

Yay tech specs:

Powered by custom Apple chip called A4. 1GHz, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB storage. 802.11n, WiFi, Bluetooth. 10 hours of battery life.

the really widescreen movies look a bit shit -- just a thin strip across the middle

i heard you have to use at&t even if you don't live in the u.s.?

oh fuk Scott would like to tell you about 17 games

have they specified the aspect ratio?

it's not going to be cinemascope, right?

Over a month of standby time. Accelerometer, compass, speaker, mic. 30pin connector.

Still can't wait to try out some of the synth/generative music apps on this

I think this thing will be more fun to play with than to look at or see demo'd. And sure enough, Steve says: "Watching it is nothing like getting it in your hands."

Rather than completely new capabilities, this is going to be a more pleasurable way of doing stuff we already do. Maybe people are going to invent some far-out shit that only multi-touch tablets can do, but it doesn't look like Apple is banking on that.

so really is this thing just gonna be an adjunct to my computer?

i love the portability, but it had better be cheap if i need to have a mac already

"30pin connector"

is that the normal iPod/iPhone connector?

iPad can run existing App Store apps without modification. Either pixel-for-pixel in middle of screen ,or pixel doubled full screen.

Maybe people are going to invent some far-out shit that only multi-touch tablets can do, but it doesn't look like Apple is banking on that.

well, it's all about creating an open platform that allows other people to come up with ... oh shit

oh great app store

"it just works!"

so?

I don't see how it's between mac and iphone; it's alongside iphone if anything, u still need a mac

can i download an archive from mediafire and expand it?

if not, this is stupid. if i can't wrangle files this thing is useless if i have an iphone.

yeah they want you to want all 3

fricken iphone with a big screen and no phone!

yeah i doubt it - like i said elsewhere it seems likely that this is where apple is going for consumer/mainstream UI; there'll still be macbooks, etc for "pro" use

can I resize the icons? <- u&k imo

but it's a good question about whether it can work without a mothership connection

can i download an archive from mediafire and expand it?

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if not, this is stupid. if i can't wrangle files this thing is useless if i have an iphone.

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OTM

this is basically my mum's dream computer. the only one she can do anything at all with is an iphone, but it's too small for her w/out specs

Steve Jobs really doesn't like people using more than one application at a time, does he?

this is basically my mum's dream computer. the only one she can do anything at all with is an iphone, but it's too small for her w/out specs

― stet, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:38 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

as I said, getting srs DSi XL vibes from this thing

like srsly this thing would be dope as an adjunct device IF it ends up being cheap enough

xp that's true: my mom doesn't really need a bigtime comp, she needs something easy to SEE and use that does web and email

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_223913_thumb300.jpg

yeah it seems like they're aiming for you to have a phone and what amounts to a fancy netbook or a phone and a fancy netbook and a pro if you're the kind who needs more than a netbook

xp yeah its a snazzy netbook

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0249-rm-eng.jpg

this sums up my rxn nicely

i assume the selling point will be reading/movies, because this kind of locked down fisher price stuff clearly makes no sense as a pc replacement.

nyt

Steve Jobs really doesn't like people using more than one application at a time, does he?

― James Mitchell, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS

that nytimes front page is fucking awesome. sold

lol dsi xl pic. otm too

merlin mann: this could srsly cannibalise laptop sales

um, putting aside the syncing issue, 1 app running at a time says no

God dammit it should be its own standalone computer not a big flat iphone that needs to sync up with a desktop or whatever. Basically, if its functionality is only web browsing and iphone apps -- that is very dissapointing.

lol at NYT front page right now btw:

"Live Blog: The iPad Looks Like a Big iPhone"

yeah, it really needs multitasking. even if just for spotify, ffs.

"captured the essence" of reading newspaper

So it generates newsprint smell and ink on your fingers?

Umbrella guy is so cute:

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb383.jpg

XP: and the sound of rustling, and the ability to cut small portions out of it.

as a music/video control device: dope
as a way to lounge around my apartment and read shit or watch videos or cue up music on airport express: dope
as a thing that can hook into my wireless network and maybe control stuff in my house or w/e in a futuristic style: dope
as a way to manipulate data in any meaningful way (including, say, writing anything longer than a few paragraphs): ~barf~

i'm fine with it being an adjunct, but if this costs $999 that is just gonna be fucking rude

yeah the price will determine whether this is a useful device. if they are going to take away my freedom to actually manipulate files and data, they should not be charging $999

oooh, i bet games could be good on this....esp RPGs

informal poll: what is yrs price threshold on this?

if this costs like three or four bucks im there

right now it is $0, but if i had a job or w/e: $599

£1000 cos I'm a raving fanboy who wants to make print pages on this thing, £600 if I was actually thinking

I honestly would say 400-500 US, assuming i had a need for such a thing

http://www.octothorpe.com/kanyetablet.jpg

EA demoing iPad version of Need for Speed (racing game). like holding an HD display 2 inches from your face.

And I have dreamed of this.

So, over/under on "Hitler is underwhelmed by iPad" YouTube appearing before noon PST?

How the hell are you supposed to play games on this thing? Look at the thickness of the border - you're not going to be able to hold it like an iPhone and still reach the controls for, say, Chinatown Wars, are you? Not keen on the tought of cradling it in one arm and typing with the other if I'm standing up, either.

£350-400

I'd go $600, but I have to replace my laptop this year so my budget is dedicated to that.

bejeweled is gonna be wicked

next time i have 500 spare bucks im getting a vaporizer but the $500 after that for this thing, why not

I'd rather they had spent the time making the macbook air into a fkn netbook

iVape

would buy for $400 but if it was much more than that i would rather just get a new laptop

i want an iVape!

EBOOK TIME

iBooks!

I'd rather they had spent the time making the macbook air into a fkn netbook
this, still.

I'd rather they had spent the time making the macbook air into a fkn netbook

― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:52 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Gaaaaarg baseball viewer :\

Playing Civilization on this will be A++

ooh ibooks

if they port medical textbooks to it then i am SOLD

iBooks looks amazingly like this: http://www.delicious-monster.com/

ET -- have you played Civ for the iPhone? I <3 civ v v much but wonder if it's just gay or not

yeah, I was thinking that elvis tel

have they said if it has 3G yet?

ET -- have you played Civ for the iPhone? I <3 civ v v much but wonder if it's just gay or not

I've tried playing it, but the screen is just too damn small. >50% of the game time is spent just scrolling around.

yeah, it doesn't

wolf hall gonna be way easier to read on this than huge print tome

pleasseee let me read the books on my iMac too. and buy them from my iMac

lol max

tbh having never read an ebook in my fkn life i still dont see the reason for the exitement over ebook functionality

x100

how much ar amazon books? srsly paying 15+ dollars for a bunch of electrons is pretty stupid imo

(exception: if you're a college student, i guess)

HOOS it's because instead of keeping Remembrance of Things Past on your bookshelf but never actually reading it, you can now carry it around on your iPad and never actually read it.

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would be worth the $1000 if i overpriced med text books/references were brought down to reasonable prices

also, for someone like me: it is impossible to bring medical references to school because they are FUCKING HUGE. and there are times when I'd like to have access to several at the same time

settle down, ksh

seriously

ason Chen:

Apple uses the ePub format, which means it’s open, and which might mean you can import your own ePub books (maybe?).

^^^^^^^^^ SRSLY V INTERESTING

here's yr file creation comin up

no one needs to have all of their fiction books around all the time, but man REFERENCES. SO MANY REFERENCES

I am just astonished that Apple spent forever on this and its a kindle-sized iphone. NOT A GAME CHANGER.

I think this is worth about $299-$499... but would not be surprised if Apple goes with something like $899... I wouldn't pay that, though.

no gbx, i totally understand college students using something like this, 100%

Big question: can I add my own PDFs and TXTs to iBooks?

i don't know if the subteext is that you can upload yr manuscript and self-punblish but that's where my mind went

cochin ftw

i want some iPadThai, tbh

when are they announcing the price?

Wonder if that new bluetooth keyboard will pair with this?

yeah, the student market will gobble this shit up. most college students don't need to do serious hackery, but do need to have loads of different books going at the same time. so if you can plug a keyboard and a mouse into this thing, it'll be the ultimate student computer (which, tbh, is precisely who it's aimed at imo)

i don't know if the subteext is that you can upload yr manuscript and self-punblish but that's where my mind went

I strongly suspect that there will be a CDBaby/Tunecore type of service catering to self-publishers.

yeah, macbook killer, especially if you can type into Pages with any sort of reasonable speed

Only thing more tedious than presentation software are presentations about presentation software

ebooks are good for things that are only available in shitty mass-market paperback versions, and if you fly a lot.

Nah, not true Milo -- the point about college textbooks is spot on.

give me multitasking or give me death

Oh, I'm sure, I'm just pointing out two areas where I find my old Kindle useful.

iWork Touch interface looks a hundred times better than iWork OS X interface.

i think milo's point was "ebooks are good for ... among other things" not "ebooks are only good for ..."

xxp

also, guys, i am getting a little excited about the prospect of this in a hospital/clinical setting. not that we'll see a usable/apple-y EMR anytime in the near future, but holy shit if you could tote this around instead of keeping track of a bazillion different patient charts AND use it to pull up references as needed....

eBooks are great -- and I am a college student so I know how useful this has the potential to be... but I just don't see the point of a computer you can draw on that doesn't have stuff like video editing and animation applications.

OK like I said on the iPhone app thread, ComicBookLover may just be my killer app for this

hate that weird wood effect tho

. but I just don't see the point of a computer you can draw on that doesn't have stuff like video editing and animation applications.
for you, or for everyone? I don't know how many people are makin animations every day, but everybody uses the web

As someone who basically reads medical records for a living, I would love to see this (or something like it) widely used in a clinical setting.

Oh, I'm sure, I'm just pointing out two areas where I find my old Kindle useful.

― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"old kindle"

srsly

five people in the united states want an animation application. it will come eventually.

good luck 2 students writing their dissertation on this bad boy

My Kindle is one of the first run, inherited from moms. It still works okay.

Can Apple just FINALLY absorb FileMaker/Bento back into the mothership? I'm annoyed at how backwards the default FM/B interfaces are compared with this.

will this run apps simultaneously?

also, guys, i am getting a little excited about the prospect of this in a hospital/clinical setting. not that we'll see a usable/apple-y EMR anytime in the near future, but holy shit if you could tote this around instead of keeping track of a bazillion different patient charts AND use it to pull up references as needed....

― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe sooner than you think:

http://mobihealthnews.com/4952/apple-epic-team-up-for-mobile-ehr-pilot/

$999?

3G!

3g

xp

So can I go to Dropbox and actually d/l my saved files on this thing or not?

don't think there's going to be any file system access at all. think tracer's otm about this being phased out

Syncing using a cable is so 2001.

apple srsly need to launch its own satallite to run data on... 3g is going tobe even more insufferable

at&t's 3G service is so good! yay

:/

unlocked apptly. international "this summer"

holy smokes those data plan prices

I'd actually prefer one that didn't have 3G. Kinda wish it was more like a iPod Touch

this is like watching some horrible staging of fan service/slash fiction written by john gruber

hahahahahah

$499

starts at $499

$499!!!!!

$499!

oh yay! £499!

:/

$499!!!

:\

whoa

everything is expensive to me so tell me is that pricey or decent?

barf

top end is $829

$629 for wifi+3g @ 16gb

thats well cheap. that's cheaper than the iPhone launched at

barrrrrrf

hmm well i wouldn't need a laptop with 3G so i guess i don't need an ipad with 3G?

id use this mostly for traveling to places with wifi

srsly worth it for me if i can carry books around all the time

(i dont own a laptop)

cutty otm

Cutty IS...up in the air.

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb543.jpg

OK, the keyboard/charging cradle is pretty cool

still nothing about simultaneous apps, right?

more gb>>>>3g.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0383-rm-eng.jpg

loool

OK, the keyboard/charging cradle is pretty cool

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't want to think about how much those will cost relative to a 500.00 MSRP :\

lol @ engadget: 11:22AM Jonny Ive talking about magical devices. "That's exactly what the iPad is." Magical? Really? Doesn't seem that magical to us!

yeah don't care about 3g

keyboard dock is dumb. would rather have a keyboard with a cable/wireless so i can put it where i want

Jon Ive says “there’s no wrong or right way to hold it.” “I don’t have to change myself to fit the product, it fits me.”

"So I can be, say, retarded, or have a balance disorder and STILL want this product!"

it just works, dude

i buy so many things that don't work, and then what

it's doable

There is an Etch a Sketch app, yes?

is there going to be any way to read pix off a camera on this? Means not taking a laptop while travelling, that.

also wtf multitasking already

have they confirmed a camera on this yet?

no multitasking, no camera

anyway this is all well and good but the important thing is that steve jobs just saved journalism forever

ouch.... then this is pretty limiting...

no toaster ovem

OTOH, saving newspapers? eh, forget it...

imad

for education users like me, this is not what we wanted from a 'netbook' killer..

a collective groan across the nerdosphere

Ha ha. I had no idea about this iPad thing at all and apparently finally decided to open this thread right as the announcement was happening.

no one needs to have all of their fiction books around all the time, but man REFERENCES. SO MANY REFERENCES

Word to this. Got a Reader for Christmas and was pretty unsure of what to do with it (all of the fiction stuff I've found/bought thus far was laid out like some shit, but ultimately decided that e-readers make fantastic portable reference libraries.

iPad is the worst brand name since Aciphex.

if this had the full OSX instead of the iPhone OS, at 499 this would be awesome...

for education users like me, this is not what we wanted from a 'netbook' killer..
couple of teacher friends of mine going nuts over these

betting it will take a while for conservative med ref publishing houses to get on the ball, but that'll be when i can afford one anyway

iPad

http://www.securepersonalcare.com/images/560pad.gif

for education users like me, this is not what we wanted from a 'netbook' killer..
couple of teacher friends of mine going nuts over these

really? Iphone OS means no adobe acrobat = no access to most educational/interactive websites...

Jobs: iPad is our most advanced technology in magical and revolutionary device at an unbelievable price.

Jobs' Shop of Mystical Wonders.

The only thing that's really wow about this is the price, but that's kinda enough.

what the hell are you talking about

xp

what "websites" require acrobat?

for education users like me, this is not what we wanted from a 'netbook' killer..

What did you want? Looks pretty good to me. Maybe ability to handwrite on it would be good - wouldn't shock me if a third party could do that, though.

really? Iphone OS means no adobe acrobat

There are PDF readers on the iPhone, they just aren't named Acrobat

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb582.jpg

not acrobat = sorry i meant Flash...

BIG DIFFERENCE BTW FLASH AND ACROBAT

You can read PDFs on an iPhone perfectly well, so that won't be a problem on this. (x-post)

Results 1 - 10 of about 79 for "sent from my ipad".

typing looks atrocious for anything more than an email or w/e

What are these educational websites that require flash?!

JUST HANGING OUT AT THE CX-ROADS OF TECHNOLOGY AND LIBERAL ARTS HI DERE

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0427-rm-eng.jpg

betting iPad 2.0 will have video and ppl who buy now will be :C then so...

and again: as an adult student, i don't give a shit about hokey educational websites. i want DATA

thousands of interactive/educational sites we use in school!

http://www.apple.com/ipad/

Anyway I'm quite sure I'll be getting one for educational use.

Coming Soon: The iStool, an obtusely angled footrest to prop your feet on so you can reasonably type on the iPad

For university students I can see a market for this... but in K-12 it's pretty useless...

that's fine, children don't have money

can u hear me now???????

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/01/26/OMG-tablet-BeGeek.png

but they all have iphones...

keyboard looks really awkward in the video

Yeah, I'm not sure that pre-university students are exactly the target market.

For university students I can see a market for this... but in K-12 it's pretty useless...

― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:39 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

until publishers/educators adapt their materials

which they will x100000000

true... but it's not something i see happening in the near future..

not next week, no

Oh, there's a little 30-pin SD card reader. That'd be cool for photography and (maybe) SLR videography.

or the week after

http://images.apple.com/ipad/design/images/accessories_20100127.jpg

The last graphic implies you should buy two, just so you can always have Spock in your life.

its a big ipod touch then 'mirite

yes

but without camera

what's the circle/square thing on the images that looks like a camera?

the home button

# Wi-Fi models shipping in late March.
# 3G models shipping in April

this is up now: http://www.apple.com/ipad/

there's a "camera connection kit" too. top.

hate hate hate that retarded bookshelf metaphor

me too

xxxxxxp

Settings.

but without camera

but its more magical

1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi)

1) lol 90s aspect ratio
2) not that great dpi

more bigger ipod touch = more magical?

Oh, there's a little 30-pin SD card reader. That'd be cool for photography and (maybe) SLR videography.

― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbh this is what I FINALLY figured out I could use it for but the price range is :\ for the larger models i.e. aything LESS that 64 gb is useless to a pro pgotographer

3G is data only

why hate the bookshelf metaphor

more crackable

because it is a clunky metaphor chosen for eye candy that doesn't deal with how i guess people will actually use digital libraries of books

imad umad weallmad @ipad

it belongs in the same category as the time machine UI imo

lol i have a macbook and an iphone so wtf would i need this product for

we all know this is going to be huge and we're all going to have one eventually

iBooks for Mac OS X would be pretty helpful

iZune

not sure this will be the huge success Apple is expecting..

ipad time machine

really want a way to sync my iBooks down to iphone. not gonna be carrying this thing everywhere

At $499 yeah, this will be huge.

lol the ipod touch is already useless (srs boourns to u if u have one of these btw), a big ipod touch is even uselesser! (cept this does have 3G, which is nice)

you know the ipod touch is ENORMOUS for them financially, right?

will probly end up w/one of these tho :/

yeah, ipod touch is popular no doubt

they are going to sell billions of these li'l guys, with their retarded screen shape, no camera, stupid data-only plan, and ludicrous app store.

everybody made all the "iPad" jokes while I was out, right

logistically i can't figure out with i'd do with my iphone and what i'd do with my ipad, considering i'd be owning both. it all seems a little ridiculous.

xpost -- Or linked to them.

given what a success this thing is going to be, the existence of this bullet point, like it's a feature, is depressing to me:

Mail attachment support

* Viewable document types: .jpg, .tiff, .gif (images); .doc and .docx (Microsoft Word); .htm and .html (web pages); .key (Keynote); .numbers (Numbers); .pages (Pages); .pdf (Preview and Adobe Acrobat); .ppt and .pptx (Microsoft PowerPoint); .txt (text); .rtf (rich text format); .vcf (contact information); .xls and .xlsx (Microsoft Excel)

xp: ok just checking

so, i'm in a hotel room. i've got my iphone, and i've got wifi. the phone basically becomes JUST a phone, to answer and receive calls, and send text messages. i don't need an iphone anymore, i can finally go back to verizon.

just fyi cutty i dont think this is targeted at you

also how can you manipulate the multi touch screen with your hooves

hey uh buddy do we carry any rush cds in this store?
no need, I have them all on my ipad
you have an ipad?!
are you kidding me, no. no, I'll grab my iphone

Dear Steve,

I would pay $549 for a 120GB iphone with better camera and battery. Not this crap.

Thanks

for you, or for everyone? I don't know how many people are makin animations every day, but everybody uses the web

Wow, so its just another thing that I can browse the web with huh... how special and magical.

Seriously, I can't be the only person who thinks that a tablet pc = the perfect amateur digital animation studio. Sure its a niche userbase but it wouldn't be hard to cater to. I mean, doesn't apple like to be the leader in using computers for creativity?

so is stet the only one here who's getting one of these at 1.0 then? elvis?

TBH I bet when most people's parents see this they'll say something along the lines of "A computer without a keyboard? How do I type in w w w dot ebay dot com ?"

lol

xp c'mon take your liberal arts away from here, this is a technology product

Seriously, I can't be the only person who thinks that a tablet pc = the perfect amateur digital animation studio. Sure its a niche userbase but it wouldn't be hard to cater to. I mean, doesn't apple like to be the leader in using computers for creativity?

seriously? i'm sure i'm not the only person who thinks this thing is an ideal tool for professional astronomy, but i didn't expect to see it mentioned in the keynote.

so, i'm in a hotel room. i've got my iphone, and i've got wifi. the phone basically becomes JUST a phone, to answer and receive calls, and send text messages. i don't need an iphone anymore, i can finally go back to verizon.

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:02 PM

but wait, i have a laptop! suddenly i don't need an ipad anymore

I wish that, like the eeePC before it, you could at least disable the fisher price interface for a full OSX-like desktop

I mean, doesn't apple like to be the leader in using computers for creativity?

Naw, they're the leader in using computer to make billions of $$$ in profits.

The creativity part, that's other companies.

i think the anxiety of deciding which device to use for what will drive me insane in the end

lol the ipod touch is already useless

... why exactly?

yeah, they tried the creativity stuff in the 90s

cutty you should tote an apple tv too, for your hotel room

the fact the itouch/iphone is so great is exactly the reason the ipad is unnecessary.

apart from the currently niche e-reader market.

apple's just into making different things to watch pr0n on

yes, i don't know why they don't still make these, they were the best

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/B_imac_flowershot.jpg

oh wait, will this thing actually play pr0n?

seriously? i'm sure i'm not the only person who thinks this thing is an ideal tool for professional astronomy, but i didn't expect to see it mentioned in the keynote.

― caek, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:06 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark

Oh surely not. Basically, though, what I'm saying is that I don't think either of our niche dreams of how we could use a tablet are going to be possible with the iPad because it doesn't have a real OS on it (as far as I know from what I've heard so far).

lol @ the handles.

"its mobile"

xp, oh absolutely

thomp: no 3G

if steve had at least had the decency to demo 'zing' then I'm sure we wd all be less grouchy

xp, i just didn't get why this applied to animation in particular

Also guessing why some of the iPhone apps won't work is because it doesn't have a microphone, so no Voip apps or anything like that.

yall are on some "how did bush win? i dont know anyone who voted for him" shit

it does have a mic tho right?

cutty you should tote an apple tv too, for your hotel room

haha, i have one!

i will bring it to my imaginary hotel room

we are all aspies max, you would know that if you weren't such an aspie

max's gf is there too

doesn't have a real OS on it (as far as I know from what I've heard so far).

― As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:10 PM

Based on iPhone 3.2 OS

i dont think this thing needs a camera

would you really hold up a panel that big to take a picture?

cameraphones make sense cuz they're always in your pocket but this... unless it was facing-forward, for video... who needs it

Input and Output
Dock connector
3.5-mm stereo headphone jack
Built-in speakers
Microphone
SIM card tray (Wi-Fi + 3G model only)

does that last one mean I can use my existing data plan for 3G?

camera really only makes sense if/when they support voip

camera would presumably be useful for ichat/skype tho slockmeister?

cameraphones make sense cuz they're always in your pocket but this... unless it was facing-forward, for video... who needs it

― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:13 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

imagine how great it would be to be able to sext from your ipad

max's gf is there too

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:13 PM

iTouch her

http://twitter.com/#search?q=ipad

this is funny

so is this

http://twitter.com/#search?q=iTampon%20OR%20%23iTampon

Haven't read the whole thread but I guess this is Apple's Segway moment. Supposedly the great leap forward, but not gonna live up to the hype.

just imagine remote.app *mmmmmmmm*

what a disaster for apple

even when you compare the functionality to the ipod touch, the price of the ipad actually doesn't seem that great either..

will someone plz answer the pr0n question

xp it will come down

There will be pad

The next iteration will be called the iPad Max. Or more appropriately, the Max iPad.

will someone plz answer the pr0n question

― struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:19 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

don't iphones play porn?

the idea of spasming commuters watching hd porn two inches from their faces on the subway

http://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+porn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

jesus, I'm slipping

Jeez, dudes, it's like you've never seen an Apple launch before. Remember?

1. Launch. Grumble grumble. "It doesn't have w, x, y, z." "It's too expensive"
2. Early adopters buy, most people play with and kind of want but, y'know, see 1.
3. A year goes buy, 2nd gen comes out. It has w, x, and y. Early adopters have been using it so it doesn't feel all weird to have one.
4. Most of us buy the 2ng gen. A few will grumble endlessly about the lack of z, the rest just use the thing.
5. Apple makes a fuckton of money.

breaking news re: apple stock

http://www.docucrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/line-graph-down.jpg

"it doesn't have a keyboard, how will I type w w w dot ipadporngrid dot com?"

could imagine getting this for my parents as a kind of old people's iphone/itouch

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/sizemodo.jpg

damn that kindle is an ugly piece of kit

http://www.kevinstonge.com/files/speakandspell.gif

if apple wasn't so damn secretive they'd have done better with this one

workhen xp

(considering there is nothing truly innovative about it)

looks like the funnest e-reader ever made

wd probly make a nice comic book reader
http://i50.tinypic.com/655o61.png

so is stet the only one here who's getting one of these at 1.0 then? elvis?

Can't work it into my budget right now. I'm looking at replacing my laptop in the next couple of months (coming up on four years old) and since coding is where the $$$$ comes from then that gets priority.

yes, i agree. if positioned as an e-reader with iphone-esque bells and whistles, it looks more attractive.

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/pimages/bravo/whiteout/nook_tech_crunch_burst.gif

(considering there is nothing truly innovative about it)

innovation ain't a feature list. let's try the thing before we say anything we're gonna regret, k?

isn't this still cheaper than a kaosilator or monome whatever those electro DJ things are?

i swear this just happened: i was watching shep's show on fox news and they brought on some fox business channel schlub to talk about the ipad so i flipped up one channel to msnbc and a tampax commercial was playing

maybe being home in the afternoons warps your perception of excitement

isn't this still cheaper than a kaosilator or monome whatever those electro DJ things are?

Kaoss Pad is $400 (roughly?) Would rather have iPad controller.

Yeah, the prospect of interesting apps really changes my perception of what these things should cost. If it's another thing to browse the web on, y'know, fuk u I won't buy what you tell me. If it's a Kaoss pad, robust field photo editor, etc that also just happens to play music and surfs the web anywhere, then fuck yeah that's cheap as hell.

there are some amazing audio/synth apps on the iphone, there's a great potential for the ipad in this area..

to me this just looks like a cool fun thing to keep around the house or throw in my bag - not a replacement for my computer but a sort of sci-fi-style all-purpose entertainment/media/fuckin' around device. and i think there will be some really cool apps for it. not that different than a big ipod touch, no, but ipod touches and iphones have so much potential that is severely limited only by their screen space.

All said I'd still like to get this but I will be mos def waiting for 2nd gen.

To me the tradeoff on all this is pretty straightforward -- one reason why I like the iPhone a LOT is precisely because it is a phone, scaled as such -- something you just put in your pocket. In contrast I have never really felt any desire to haul something like a laptop around wherever I go.

^^^agree with all of that, slocki.

xxpost

for HI DERE

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2010/01/20100127_ipadad_560x375.jpg

To me the tradeoff on all this is pretty straightforward -- one reason why I like the iPhone a LOT is precisely because it is a phone, scaled as such -- something you just put in your pocket. In contrast I have never really felt any desire to haul something like a laptop around wherever I go.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what if you wore it around your neck on a chain

This thing isn't for computing and it isn't for mobile internet.

it's for farting around in your underwear

It's for making videophonecalls from your bed like the My Two Dad's dude in Aliens.

what if you wore it around your neck on a chain

Cold Paddin' with S1ock

I kind of agree with slocki but then I think what if I'm browsing ilx at home and someone posts a sendspace? seems a bit silly to have to grab my laptop and so in which case why aren't I just browsing on it in the first place

http://jezebel.com/5458338/that-time-of-the-month-the-internets-best-period+related-ipad-jokes

what about those crazy harmony remote controls? I could see some dude with a $1000 remote control doing the math, though what kind of dude who can spend $1k on a remote control cares about saving $?

I kind of agree with slocki but then I think what if I'm browsing ilx at home and someone posts a sendspace? seems a bit silly to have to grab my laptop and so in which case why aren't I just browsing on it in the first place

― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:00 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think what you're supposed to do in that situation is just start crying uncontrollably

i am already crying

If it's a Kaoss pad, robust field photo editor, etc that also just happens to play music and surfs the web anywhere, then fuck yeah that's cheap as hell.

Yeah, the presentation for this was actually kinda stodgy outside of the Brushes demo. Mail, web surfing, BFD.

Old-school Apple nerds getting older...

I presume you'll be able to control games on this using the iphone/touch?

has there been any chat abt multitasking coming to iphone in 4.0 btw?

Pornography
It's simple: You can hold something that weighs 1.5 pounds in one hand.

you want them to wheel out john mayer with kid606 playing 6 ipads simultaneously?

to me this just looks like a cool fun thing to keep around the house or throw in my bag - not a replacement for my computer but a sort of sci-fi-style all-purpose entertainment/media/fuckin' around device. and i think there will be some really cool apps for it. not that different than a big ipod touch, no, but ipod touches and iphones have so much potential that is severely limited only by their screen space.

― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:49 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is otm

Yes.

qn: what happens when u watch game-changing film avatar 3D on this game-changing device

Dling sekrit "what's new" doc just now

what happens when u play video game adaptation (from app store) of game-changing film avatar 3D on this game-changing device

You will actually feel the Na'vi breathing in your ear.

qn: what happens when u watch game-changing film avatar 3D on this game-changing device

― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

probably a lot of games will change

A great consumer device, but the marketing is lacking as iWork for iPad doesn't really make it a laptop alternative.

I think they really needed to have more apps in development that they could soft announce, like Photoshop (lite) for iPad, etc.

That said, if Serato works out a way to run on this, I'll get it.

I already happily read books on my iPhone...

For now I'll enjoy my iPad mini.

i've got eucalyptus ON IPHONE and like it fine, but really it's just too small.

t/s: Min-iPad vs. Max-iPad

Apple (or someone) need to make something like a VR headset, except where you can see through the screens at what's outside. Then you can overlay your web pages/pr0n/3D music interface over whatever real world stuff you're doing.

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/1/c/1/1c1b22ccf07a9fdf757bd40593c4038a.gif

didja ever see avatar.....on ipaaaad????

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4309378951_98fc41c232_o.gif

lol

First person to get a 3G iPad, set their Skype ringtone to Nokia tune, and shout "Yeah, on the iPhone. No, It's Rubbish" gets a pint from me

watching the apple promo on this, it makes the web surfing on this look pulse quickeningly good

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1995/1101950703_400.jpg

I am so buying this the day it comes out.

I would hope you can have more icons in the dock at the bottom.

I am so buying this the day it comes out.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:52 PM

^^ underwear farter

did not know about this
http://db.tidbits.com/article/10624

WTF is up with that bezel? Ugliest piece Apple has produced in ... erm ... a long time.

Both the Contacts and Maps apps look terrific. iPod and Photos very WTF.

One more thing: iPhone SDK 3.2 download? Am I blind? Where is the download link?

bezel isnt great looking but its practical. feels like the kind of thing that will get suddenly smaller and be one of those big deal v2 things.

you have to be a registered developer, etaeoe ($99).

keynote stream's up

cozen: that mode is fkn awesome; i've been using it for months

it's probably going to take about 10 minutes for somebody to hack this and load a full featured snow leopard install

I think I would look pretty psychotic using this in a balaklava, that's for sure

it's probably going to take about 10 minutes for somebody to hack this and load a full featured snow leopard install

[img src="http://media.bestofmicro.com/apple-a4-ipad-cpu,4-O-237336-13.jpg";]

Hrm.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/apple-a4-ipad-cpu,4-O-237336-13.jpg

probably wont be u to hack it, if u cant handle bbcode

it's probably x86 based?

I can also foresee about a bajillion of these getting cracked screens from being toted around in college bookbags

also world peace...in 5000 years

it's probably x86 based?

Doesn't anyone remember this?

Apple's bought itself a chip company, P.A. Semi, that could make chips for future iPods and iPhones. The company was founded by Dan Dobberpuhl, lead designer of Alpha chips, who last year announced a 64-bit dual core processor that is said to be about 300% more efficient than the nearest competition, using only 5 to 13 watts at 2GHz.

Products using the chips won't arrive for a year, at least, but we can assume that Apple wouldn't spend $278 million without some plans to use 'em soon as it made sense, and I'm sure Intel and ARM aren't stoked. The negotiations, which finished recently, took place in The Steve's home. Owning its own chip design is an interesting move. While the iPhone's had a lot of off the shelf componentry, it makes sense that working on its own internal hardware could yield better devices. Or a PowerPC repeat..which is the architecture I believe that the above processor is built on.

More research on that chip shows how it achieves such power efficiency. From Ars: "For instance, the chip sports over 25,000 clock gates so that clock pulses to different regions of the processor can be shut off dynamically to save power...All of the PA6T's major on-die components have their own separate clock and voltage domains, so that the L1, L2, DRAM controller, I/O subsystem, and each of the two cores can all be placed in different low-power states independently of one another."

So in a quick survey of people at work, roughly 49% love it and 49% think it sucks (I'm the sole neutral 2%). Same numbers as for the iPhone on its first release so I'm declaring it a hit.

yeah I remember that...seems kinda weird they would be going down a PPC path again xp

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0128-rm-eng.jpg

Doesn't anyone remember this?

Ha! Good find.

LONDON — Warren East, chief executive officer of ARM Holdings plc (Cambridge, England), has declined to name the company that has taken a multiyear architecture license for ARM's current and future technologies. But East gave enough clues while speaking to financial analysts on Wednesday (July 30) to show clearly that Apple is a contender.

http://www.eetimes.com/209900392

yeah I remember that...seems kinda weird they would be going down a PPC path again xp

OS X (and by extension iPhone OS) is pretty code portable these days so switching processors isn't a big deal as it once was.

You know what? FUCK FLASH AND ALL THOSE WHO DEVELOP IN IT.

Flash is such a shoddy piece of work no matter how badass of a Flex developer you think you are. Gawd I can't wait until it dies.