A thread for JUSTIFIED, a TV show on FX starring Timothy Olyphant

Pilot was promising. Anyone else watching this?

was that the first episode? weird, I thought there was a "previously on" at the beginning

it seemed ok, need to see more

I've heard it's pretty good, thought I missed something so didn't keep watching

The pilot was last week - this week's episode was all right, though not as interesting.

i liked the first ep; second ep is on the tivo.
i have goodwill for olyphant post-deadwood; he reminds me of rawhide era eastwood. Dude only has about three gears.

pilot was kickass. nice to have something decent on tuesdays (don't care about LOST.)

follow up was pretty good i thought; the dialogue is pretty consistently bright, if only occasionally sensible.
i like that it inhabits a world where people don't shoot at each other unless they have very damned good reasons or are unbelievably stupid

loved the pilot. Honestly, I think I only like Olyphant in 'sherrif' roles. ie, Deadwood and this. I don't seem to care for him much in anything else. Loved that opening scene in the pilot: closeup shot to make you think he's standing in the middle of Deadwood or something & they pan back and he's standing by a pool in Miami.

should see the crazies then, dude plays a lawman who opens the film by sipping on coffee, putting his hand on his hip and saying something like "i don't care what they say, the first day of spring is the first day of high school baseball season." it's awesome.

Olyphant was also pretty good in the second season of Damages. In a show filled with great character actors with suspect motives and allegiances, he fit in perfectly (much like Martin Short is doing this year). I didn't see it, but I heard he was similarly entertaining in A Perfect Getaway.

he was indeed, but he played a lawman in that as well (if you count special ops guys as lawmen, and why wouldnt you)

shows that died were justified

Third ep was awesome, I am really digging the direction this show is taking.

ep 4 possibly the best one yet. one of the better hours of self-contained telly i've seen in a while.

high praise!

i dig it when some dudes are just being cool as shit and all.

Ruck nailed that.

Oh, Buster: "JFK was alive for HOURS!"

"There are other things than 'smart'."
"Yeah, and they're not smart."

didn't realize there was a thread for this, otherwise i woulda saved this exchange from 77 for here:

first two eps were GREAT, third was horrible, fourth and fifth await

― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm in like the total opposite camp -- first two episodes and the whole dynamic with the main characters bored the shit out of me, then w/ the more episodic/procedural style of the next couple episodes (especially the Alan Rock stuff in ep 4) it started to finally entertain me.

― Spiney G. Porcupinegarden (some dude), Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think part of my problem is i keep comparing this in my head to another FX show i like more, Sons of Anarchy. but seriously the whole thing with the friend-turned-enemy and the old flame? i just can't muster the slightest bit of interest in that stuff, very relieved that it looks like a lot of episodes won't center on it at all.

Con Stapleton guys

I'm surprised how well the procedural episodes are appealing to me too. This show's pretty good at drawing these criminal-of-the-week characters, and basically any excuse to have Timothy Olyphant tell corny stories in his self-assured way to a person is... great!? Yes! I still do like the stuff with the old friend and the ex-wife, but am secretly hoping it doesn't take over the show if they can keep writing great standalones.

now the good reverend.

"People are entitled to their hobbies, and I’m entitled to think those people are creepy.”

Renewed for a second season btw

yeah the procedural criminal-of-the-week stuff is what's hooking me now, they're really good at that stuff. loved the Hitler paintings episode.

and weirdly i watched that episode the same week i watched an old West Wing that Robert Picardo was also in. that guy is a TV guest star MVP imo.

This is one of the best new shows this season. After all of the death and mayhem in previous episodes, last night's episode very interesting in terms of bloodletting: "Some bumps, bruises and a couple of cracked ribs."

Premiering on five USA in the uk tonight.

Last night's was a pretty good mix of super-corny-yet-charming cliched cop show plot mixed in with the ongoing storyline b/w Raylan's wife's new husband's shady stuff and the Crowder family, usually they seem to have go on one side or the other. M.C. Gainey is a perfect casting choice to be Boyd's father, W. Earl Brown from Deadwood was pretty good too.

this whole layout is feng shui, designed to encourage spending.

I'm a coupla episodes behind, but damn, loved Ray McKinnon showing up as the hitman "Mr Duke" (Deadwood holla!). He'll always be the Reverend to me, though...

yeah i love this show's steez. already taking Rayland down a few pegs.

I did not realize until this last ep that Gary was Herman on 'Herman's Head.' I knew about Jere Burns, but not William Ragsdale.

But yeah knew he was coming back to the bar and thought it was going to be some sort of bad ass-kicking but that is what is great about this show -- it throws just the slightest curve ball.

Herman! Wow. Did not recognize the dude at all.

Dude was in how many episodes until the last? But yeah did not see it until last night. Almost like Win Duffy: "I know we've met somewhere before."

Sorry, lotsa of "but yeahs" right now. It's the vodka-tonics. Please cut slack. Thx.

Tahiti lols: "Too many mosquitoes. Everyone speaks French. Only one movie theater..."

Liked tonight's set-up episode for the finale. Probably the least actual story we've gotten from any episode so far, but I liked how they seemed to bring in as many characters as possible, like that corrupt sheriff from a few episodes ago and one of Boyd's sidekicks from the first two eps.

Oh wait, there are two episodes left - nice.

feels like a lot to tie up in the finale next week.

Man, the dads in this show. Sumbitches for real. Hoo-wee. Excited for the finale, should be some good showdown action.

Last episode is called "Bulletville." Psyched.

Anyone wanna guess who's not making it through the finale? I'm going with Bo.

Statutory rape guy introduced a couple of episodes ago definitely getting got; wouldn't be shocked if Bo, the other Crowder brother, and one of Raylan's women get killed, either Eva or Winona.

I like how it turned out that Raylan killed a ridiculous amount of people in the first few episodes, then they called him out for on the show itself, and he hasn't shot anyone since. Now we'll see how far back he turns in the final episode, or not at all. Wonder if they actually planned it this way, or if it was part of the growing of the show and the writers realized quickly "we can't actually have him gun down people EVERY episode!"

I'd be gutted if they got rid of either Ava or Winona! I think you're right, though, that rape dude probably is a goner.

This show improved greatly.

Kickass finale.

Yeah, I'm a sucker for that sort of thing. Really great.

Great stuff. Body count was pretty ridiculous when you think about it - including Boyd's flock, around 20 people got shot?

Killer finale. Bummed that it's over..

Wow, that was awesome.

this show is pretty good huh

love the kentucky setting

have you gotten to the series finale yet? it ruled!

terrific writing--i sort of wonder if elmore leonard has any script oversight; i kind of doubt it but the ppl they have are doing a good leonard imitation

NO DONT SAY ANYTHING

SPOILER it rules! END SPOILER

i meant season finale, not series obv

soooo goood

i think i might have feelings for timothy olyphant

i know, right?

terrific writing--i sort of wonder if elmore leonard has any script oversight; i kind of doubt it but the ppl they have are doing a good leonard imitation

this is my favourite thing about the show, esp comparing 'justified' with 'the unit', which, disappointingly, employed mametspeak only in the mamet-scripted eps.

I want a Raylan/Boyd road movie, where they drive across the US together...Boyd puts his feet up on the dashboard, or spits out the window, or tries to play Boston on the stereo and Raylan screeches the car to a halt, guns-drawn standoff by the side of the road. :D

Olyphant is my main "I appreciate that dude and his ways" crush right now.

otmfm

Jeremy Davies joins the cast. 'Heavily Recurring' adversary, it seems. Getting pretty excited, especially as I've already come to grips with the fact that Terriers will be cancelled, and at least I'll have one show with laid-back charm.

awesome i love jeremy davies.

Ooh that'll be cool! Jeremy Davies is great. God I can't wait for this.

You know what I would love: SOA/Justified crossover episode. Imagine Clay and Raylan facing off....

Olyphant was on the Office last night.

as pure set dressing unfortunately tho he's apparently now in the cast permanently

No, he's only on for 3 or 4 eps.

I don't like Jeremy Davies. Far from being laid-back, he makes me feel twitchy and on edge just looking at him.

thats what so great about him

"and thank you for your service to the nation."
"I lost my leg to diabetes, but you're welcome." VROOOM

When is this coming back. Need my Olyphant.

February 9th

Sweet

my brother-in-law just got a job with the US Marshals. I want to get him the season 1 DVD now.

He will need a mustache.

Huh, February was a lot sooner than I expected for some reason. Nice!

apparently Elmore Leonard was so impressed by the show that he wrote a new Raylan Givens book. It's called Raylan.

SWEET

man this season is gonna rule, i can feel it. Margo Martindale! Jeremy Davies! Brad Henke!

yeah stoked fr this

man i love this show and the first episode of season 2 did not disappoint!

i think my wife wants to bone timothy olyphant

unless your wife is molly parker you should be okay

so fuckin good this show.

unless your wife is molly parker you should be okay

― a professional climbing axe is a rich man's toy (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:01 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think i'm fine, and also, she is kinda OTM dude is dreamy

yeah my wife tries to play it off like she wants nothing to do with him, but i ain't buying it.

tbh i might be projecting

yeah first ep back was a winner, interested in this new storyline.

Timothy Olyphant is ridiculously boneworthy. Hot DAMN.

jeremy davies is fantastic.

Margo Martindale is the BEST.

Davies is great. Also, the moment when Jeremy Davies sidekick brother faces off against Raylan...that was fantastic.

watched my first ep last nite s2e1 - p rad - dled s1, psyched

u will be in Olyphant heaven

i enjoyed him v much in the series deadwood and the feature film go, n/h

well maybe jus a lil

I like him in anything where he wears a hat.

and/or mustache

the girl next door is p good

yeah I like her a lot

the movie!

lol

I am not v smart today

lol "today"

hah

huh, one of the justified writers (benjamin cavell) is the son of the philosopher stanley cavell.

really happy to see Lydia Dunfree's daughter Escapade making it big this season playing Loretta.

ha

Ep. 2 was considerably better than the first, done w/ tablesetting. Love the Raylan vs. real-a-tor stuff, and Margo Martindale is just going to kick all kinds of ass. Is it safe to predict that this season will end w. Raylan adopting Loretta after blowing the baddies away?

SWANS sticker on the mirror in the bar Boyd and Raylan went to o_O

did anyone catch what was on the big dude's t-shirt, the more belligerent of the two new clan-lackeys (i.e. not daniel faraday from lost)?

Wasn't it an Accept shirt?

Yep!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iNCdYqr9liM/Si7CmDCcWwI/AAAAAAAAABE/EvIelIlv5pw/s400/Accept+-+Balls+to+the+Wall.jpg

Great episode. Man that hilbilly Ma Parker woman is good. Looking forward to seeing how that storyline plays out.

Larenz Tate!

this show is so fucking good. love that ellsworth from deadwood pops up at the mine.

God yeah. What a great episode. That moment with Raylan and Loretta, where he gives her the phone, "I'll drop whatever I'm doing"...I teared up like a baby. And the Mama/Cooper scene was O_O...and...AND... the whole storyline with Boyd was like the greatest thing ever on it's own...Jesus I love this show to death. So great.

Screw Glengarry, I'm with Boyd: ABC, Always Be Cool

yeah, it's even better this season.

I know that as much as I love him, Olyphant is probably somewhat limited as an actor. But the way he delivered his line in the

"what am I? an asshole?"
"...no?"

exchange was absolutely perfect.

I saw Rango tonight...Olyphant does the voice of this Clint Eastwoody character and I nearly peed my pants jumping out of my seat all "Oh! You guys! It's Raylan Givens!"

For some reason I just picked up on the fact that Tim O gained a producer credit this season, and apparently has quite a bit of script oversight. Go figure.

Not a brilliant ep this week but lots of great little moments. Anxious to get back to the Bennett clan.

I know that as much as I love him, Olyphant is probably somewhat limited as an actor

Sedition!

"what am I? an asshole?"
"...no?"

exchange was absolutely perfect.

― Gukbe, Friday, March 18, 2011 12:59 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

god, i know, right? but what do you mean he's limited as an actor? i'll limit you!

bo crowder's kinda turning into a hillbilly omar

durr boyd crowder

bo crowder was a hillbilly avon i guess

really enjoying this season but whenever i watch this show i pretty much have a constant voice in the back of my head repeating "raylan givens walton goggins raylan givens walton goggins raylan givens walton goggins"

can I just say that as cute as his ex-wife is, she is a pain in the ass

also Timothy Olyphant is only limited by the number of awesome hats he can wear and by his hottness and Gubke's just jealous

#harrumph

walton goggins is a great name

Winona drives me so crazy I want to punch the TV

she's very "annoying"

Yeah yeah I know, she is a stone cold fox etc but she took the frakking money, lied about it, makes Raylan jump through 900 hoops and is all "I didn't tell u bc I knew you'd be angry" docile bullshit that drives me round the twist

said it at the time, will say it again - shoulda stuck w/ eva!

I'm not sure Ava wouldn't have done exactly the same thing as Winona in the same circumstances. I feel that Raylan is cutting Winona a lot of slack because Gary's likely to get himself killed pretty soon and she's in a massive amount of debt.

listening to Janice Ian with my daughter doing her homework next to me

lol rong thread

Oh man the tombot household have much love for this show

So many chekhov's guns this season, many exclamation points

1. where does raylan get skinny ties in kentucky? seriously

2. speaking of which boyd and dicky both deserve lengthy fuckyeahmenswear.tumblr posts in their own right

3. sorry coover, that sucked for you

3a. speaking of which - I've never heard of brad william henke or half the other cats in this show, I think there must be something to be said for the writing and direction here because (cf mad men, maybe?) everybody on this show seems really good at their job)

4. boyd's handshake w/ mags was PORTENTOUS

5,6,7. unfortunately the art knows about winona's attempted thievery loose string now seems low priority compared to the fact that mags is now mad as all hell and the dixie mafia has still not shown up, plus, uh, raylan's dad gave that land to WHOM AGAIN

the elocution and word choices in this series always border on the unbelievable (esp. boyd's) but I never tire of it

Olyphant's lazy manner of inhabiting a blazer is something I think I will always aspire to

martindale deserves an emmy and a half already btw

also I am pretty sure I meant FUCKING PORTENTOUS up there instead of just PORTENTOUS

someone told me about an interview with Olyphant...he said when they were shooting the pilot he met Elmore Leonard, and Leonard said to him I love everything you're doing with Raylan but the hat...the hat has got to go.

Which is craziness to me now because that hat is like a frikkin totem for who Raylan is...it's just funny how those kind of choices can be SO key to the longevity of a character.

And can we please talk about Boyd Crowder and his mad clogging skillz?? Awesome

and MAGS....fuckin that scene at the end when she comes up to Raylan about as open as you can be and he has to refuse her and just like a cloud passing over the sun it's gone and her jaw is set and oh fuck it is ON like donkey kong now

Soooooooo good

This show

I mean

that interview, I think, maybe
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/28/134629395/timothy-olyphant-justified-in-laying-down-the-law

Leonard actually said 'don't be afraid to lose the hat.' Not that the hat is bad (I agree that the hat is awesome), just that it shouldn't be so key to the character that he fails or is unrecognizable without it. Which, to me, it isn't; Raylan has done plenty of awesome shit hatless.

Serious chills at Dickie's cry just before the last break. "Don't you hurt my brother, Raylan!"

Yeah, when Raylan ground his boot into Dickie's bad leg to get him to give up his brother it showed how THE MAN grinds down the locals and that these guys have known each other so long that they know exactly how to work one another.

2. speaking of which boyd and dicky both deserve lengthy fuckyeahmenswear.tumblr posts in their own right

yeah this is real talk, boyd's all-the-way-buttoned + flannel jackets is an amazing look

not to mention his hair

yeah, this last arc has been A++

not all the way caught up but id just like to mention that 'god get atcha boy' is an hilarious formulation

I don't think I'm very interested in Raylan and Winona. I was almost bored during their scenes this week. More Harlan, less Lexington please.

i don't know if i am interested in winona but i am interested in natalie zea.

Winona just makes me mad everytime she shows up. And the whole Raylan running away to whereever is just...ugh, dude seriously?

but that little moment at the end between Boyd and Ava was <3 <3

I'm not sure I fully understand what Boyd is up to with his brother but next week sure looks interestin' :D

Helen :(

Not hard to see coming, but still

Season finale next week. Excited and sad at the same time.

My wife (who doesn't watch the show) looked up from her computer when Mags smacked Dickie and said "That's one tough mama." I replied "You don't know the half of it."

the town hall scene is fucking awesome, where is margo martindale's emmy nomination

margo is queen of tv mommas. talk about a powerhouse.

also Raylan carrying Helen's death all through that last episode was brutal to watch. Olyphant really brought it.

yeah he richly deserves the emmy he'll never get

sigh

i can't tell yet if i think walton goggins is doing a better job here than on 'the shield' or if it's just the role or just the fact that he gets to talk eloquently in a southern accent.

he could tell me my house was on fire and Id be all "hmm? oh that. nevermind. what were you were saying?"

yeah his voice is beautiful

wish he was like Karl Castle on NPR and record answering machine messages for ppl.

season finale tonight!!

Pretty hyped

wooo

That was perfect.

okay, so I've been thinking about this season and I'm a little torn. Yeah, it's leagues better than any other currently running drama series but they really kinda threw in the towel near the end of the season wrt stable characterization... boyd is TURNED EVIL and ava's flipped and everybody's generally acting drastically in and out of character at the drop of a hat cuz otherwise there's no show. That said, the ending was lovely and a nice full circle of the variety you hardly ever see on television.
The thing i like best about this show is its simple ethos: violence, murder, foolishness and brutality are all justifiable sins if you can walk the thin line. If you cannot justify your actions, you get snuffed... generally in the short term, but if necessary in the long. Boyd and Raylan are the only two characters who've learned how to toe that line and though the way they toe it is different, they're still playing the same game and they tend to respect each other's moves.

I agree that Ava's turns weren't well-explored, but I liked Boyd's arc this season, esp. once he folded Johnny back in (love the shot that reveals him still alive, by the way).

Overall the ending was a little tidy but it worked for me. Hope they have the balls to go for Olyphant's conception of the next season...I guess I shouldn't spoil that for folks who don't want to know.

Ava is a bit of an afterthought, but I do think she identified with Helen's practical acceptance of the world she's stuck with, and that informed a lot of her worst choices.

This show has a great way of allowing its characters to make terrible, irrational decisions that seem right in the moment. Ava made a few of those, and Winona seems to specialize in them.

I think it's that quality that made this season wonderfully unpredictable.

Best moment of the finale for me: Raylan chuckling at his own dumb joke while hanging upside down getting beaten up.

Oh, and this is the interview where Tim-O briefly talks about the future of the show, but (more importantly) it also features a great story about David Lynch:

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt110504timothy_olyphant_jus

boyd is TURNED EVIL and ava's flipped and everybody's generally acting drastically in and out of character

totally disagree on this.. I think Boyd has been playing a long-con ever since the meth-bazooka/church-lynch twist, even if he has often been doing so unconsciously & guided purely by instinct. The understated complexity Walton Goggins has brought to a role which, at face value, reads like a southern-gothic cartoon villain.. I'll just say that, taken in combination w/ the chops he brought on the last couple seasons of The Shield, dude is on a serious fucking roll.

As for Ava, this is a woman who has already knowingly married a murderous criminal, who she then herself murdered.

i dunno, all the character decisions for the whole post black pike mining arc felt pretty strained to me. They also started leaning WAY more heavily on the southern gothic mythos and making Harlan less and less realistic and the characters sound more and more Milch-y. Not every hillbilly is unintentionally eloquent, you know? ymmv. again, it's really more a matter of picking what I didn't like about this season as there was so much that i did.

ava thing didnt bug me? shes not exactly a good girl, and raylan completely and unceremoniously ditched out on her, while boyd stuck by her side and proved himself to be a good companion

yeah, also isn't ava really young? i feel like she's still figuring stuff out.

xp to forks - it's tricky. The southern-goth stuff was laid on SUPER thick this season, esp. at the end, but it was handled so deftly by all involved that I can't come up w/ much to complain about (a little more Dewey Crow comic relief, maybe?). Personally, I would have rather seen a more natural build-up of the 'southern mafia' conflict w/o the Black Pike plot device, but Boyd's roll in that did not seem unnatural imo. The way I read it was like: Boyd's existential/introspective phase ended precisely at the point when he snapped on the dumbass miner dude who would not leave him alone. Everything which ensued was him reverting back to his essential (predetermined?) mindset & exploiting various windows of opportunity (even if, yeah, the Black Pike thing was sorta too convenient).

;_; missing u ;_;

sigh

<3 the ever loving shit out of this show

my torrents cut out before the end credits, assuming there are any, and at the end of the ep where they're running around trying to get winona's stolen dough back in the safe, the music from 'the shield' came into my head

that's how good it is

After seeing Josh Gibbs (Gutterson, the awesome sniper marshall) in "The Pacific" this weekend, I feel it is important to say that dude is v v handsome, despite being eclipsed by Olyphant.

ugh Jacob Pitts. Who is Josh Gibbs, wtf my brain

I don't like Justified's theme song. :/

It's not great. Like low-rent Everlast.

one of my dogs LOVES the theme song - damn near any other theme song she freaks out, gets anxious and angry at the tv (30 rock theme sets her the fuck off like mary hart or some shit), but justified comes on and she stops what she's doing, chills out, and sits down in front of the tv w/ a smile on. i think she just likes the show.

haha my kid's like that with the Colbert Report theme music

i believe i once described the Justified theme as Everlast f/ Chali 2na

That story about the dog reminds me of this:

http://nastynets.com/?p=2890

just binged on s2, super dope

yeah, it was a considerable step up from s1 no doubt

btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?

the reversal at the end where mags took the poison was p awesome, like i saw it coming from when she got the two glasses from different spots, but then for a sec i was like maybe she did give it to raylon, v well executed

one thing that kind of continually annoys and interests me abt the show is their relance on super conventional tv tropes, like rayon is saved from death at the last second by his friends via a bullet through doyles head, but then the thing that makes it interesting and maybe more annoying is that its so knowing, the show is v meta, the tension between the naturalistic and contrived approches is incorporated on many levels in a sort of uh dizzying cycle, it becomes a primary edge and driver of the drama, like raylon wears the cowboy hat because he hated his life and wanted to build a new one, but the only two things he knew abt were this backwoods fucked up criminal bullshit and what hed seen on tv, so he modled himself after a tv lawman, only he actually is a tv lawman, my god

now he has to go back and confront his irl past, but tv stuff keeps happening to him while the supporting players roll their eyes at his strange karma

btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?

― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:21 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i watched an ep once and it just seemed way too ott, to like a camp extent, but could be i just need to start from the beginning

forks, watch the shield! tho goggins aside it's not very similar to justified at all... still a great show. xp

btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?

― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:21 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

I enjoyed a decent amount of The Shield, and it nails the ending, but there's some OTT bits as mentioned as well as loads and loads and loads of messy writing that always grated on me. They're not very similar at all though, and I know it's a cliche but The Wire always made The Shield seem like a relic.

i like this show but it reminds me of like...something i'd watch aged 10 on saturday nights rather than modern genuinely great tv. it's entertaining for the downtime between better shows but it's kinda simple and there is no real feeling in it for me, apart from loving wynona.

waht

my opinion...i had to fight my way through both seasons and only when i had absolutely nothing else to watch. that's not to say it's woeful, just there's far better stuff around. everyone is pretty clichéd as a character in this show, there's barely any sense of their inner selves at all anyway, it's just a series of clashes.

i think you are the only person who likes wynona

i would straight up bone timothy olyphant because of this show

Felt that way in Season 1 (though I loved watching it, and found the entertainment aspect refreshingly well-done), but I think certain elements of Season 2 ramped it up.

xposts

xxp she's cute?

would not bone olyphant but would wingman with him

i would straight up bone timothy olyphant because of this show

― the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 5:39 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

just because characters on the show are terse and guarded doesn't mean there's no feeling!

yeah i find it like entertaining, that's the exact word. but i don't have any craving to see what the overall plot is or where it's going to go cos it's actually not that intriguing. it's fairly old fashioned like this, even though there is a bigger plot each ep feels kinda self contained. and like...there are no questions you ask like "what's going to happen to raylan" or whatever...it has no tension.

wynona is great btw, tho yeah obv olyphant outdoes her!

x-post they're just not v well fleshed out as people imo

i think they are just kind of mysterious

until you get a flash of insight here or there

but totally compelling! and hot!

i am also just mad at you because apparently you think there is more feeling in mad men than justified

i am guessing local garda doesn't know anyone in real life like the ppl on justified

ie someone is projecting, not sure it's the characters here that don't have an inner life

i feel like i should let somebody from kentucky make this point but there's also a feeling for the place if that's not too obvious to say

i am thrilled that natalie zea is on a good show, but slightly less thrilled that she was more naked on 'dirty sexy money' than here.

i totally disagree with the 'relic' remark above about 'the shield' but i do think it helped set a very clear goal for lesser basic-cable shows to follow, i.e. to design interesting short-season plots and load the interest onto those so that individual episodes don't have to be quite so uniform and mechanical as the mediocre end of network dramas.

o it nails the south and southerners, but i'm not sure you can call those ppl 'ppl' really amirite lg? and yeah, if there's one thing you can say about justified it's that it 'has no tension'.

as a character i prefer ava to wynona (wynona was such a pain in the ass this season, guys) but natalie zea is ridiculously beautiful.

oh right, i don't like this show cos i am not from kentucky and cos i apparently have no inner life. sounds reasonable guys. glad we all appreciate subjectivity.

i didn't say that! i do think the show is stylized in an elmore leonard way, but that doesn't make the characters flat.

after raylan settled in during the first season as morally ambiguous but unbothered by that, it seemed that boyd was the much more interesting character. but i have to confess that i only half-watched some of the latter half of the second season, so i couldn't totally track boyd through it.

i said it, nothing i've seen here contradicts it

damn, a justified-style showdown appearing right on this very thread

please no one start shooting

no tension here

are you from kentucky? if so i have to warn you i don't recognise you as a human being.

feel like i could cut this tension with a knife

are you from kentucky?

nb i grew up in ireland, the most cosmopolitan country in the world. please don't talk to me.

this is like justified meets the commitments... on ilx

in an elevator

Wynona is >:(

She is v pretty, but >:(

LG, you are entitled to your opinion but I'm afraid I may have to shoot you regardless. Also, I am not from Kentucky.

i can't believe no one wants to have a serious argument with me about which is more feelingsy, mad men or justified.

Mad Men is very distant, everyone pretending to be chill while drinking scotches in their closet & fucking anything that moves.

Justified WAY more feelingsy. Also ppl get mad, shoot stuff. And drink out in the open. Much more productive. Raylan & the little girl made me cry like 10 times this season!

ah i find the little girl thing so cartoonish and cheesey. don reading "meditations in an emergency" is the epitome of how well mad men does the emotional stuff and it's not just directly driven by the events of that 40 minute episode. justified is just "someone died i'm mad", "someone is in danger i'm worried" etc...it's just a great police show week on week...with no overarching plot worth thinking about. yes there's tension in each individual episode but seriously don't really wonder about what will happen raylan. all that plus "oh he managed to fire a shot and kill the guy again" at star trek levels of "it probably won't work but if we can just reroute the...oh shit it worked, grand, see you next week."

did you find helen getting killed cartoonish and cheesy >:[

i guess this is impossible to argue about, especially since i don't really get mad men

"just" a great police show!!! what's better than a great police show?

who is helen? what exposition of raylan's relationship with her was there at any point? it's all just telling not showing...

she protected raylan from his dad when he was a kid! he clearly worships/worshiped her!

i don't know in a way i think you're right, we get told that about raylan and helen, but that's mostly because the show is centered around raylan and he's not really in touch with a lot of his feelings, so the only one that usually gets expressed is rage. but you still know he has them; it's in the performance in an oblique way. i agree with whoever said that boyd is the more feelingsy character.

and the feelings are archetypal father/son stuff, so i guess i can see how you could find them cliched but cliches are true sometimes!

just feels like it's all backstory...there's so little writing/acting that shows you this, you're just supposed to believe it cos it's a plotline. too much happens on a week to week basis to be resolved that week for there to be any decent character arch imo.

i agree with whoever said upthread that boyd's "i've renounced crime"/"oh wait i'm a criminal again" was really kinda silly too. again it just never really explored why or who he is.

sorry to rag on this show, i'll be watching s3 as well, it just doesn't really blow me away.

*arc

okay but the writing is awesome, right? so good!

good episode plots and some good dialogue, okay characters and general story, imo.

on some level i think of elmore leonard joints as opportunities for great dialogue, i guess this doesn't really bother me. but the dialogue is great because of the force of personality behind it.

xp

lol now i'm just mad at you again

aylon wears the cowboy hat because he hated his life and wanted to build a new one

and because it fits iirc

ireland, the most cosmopolitan country in the world

mm

and because it fits iirc

― where ilxor ends and markers begins (history mayne), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:54 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well yeah exactly, raylon doesnt understand himself at all and tries to pretend things have no meaning is one of the themes of the show

but to everyone else his motivations are blindingly obvious. which is why he didnt want to go back to kentucky

well he sure fucked that one up. when is he gonna go back to florida?

now he kinda likes it is the thing, a journey of self discovery

would be funny if next season was all abt him being a shooting instructor tho

i would watch that show, tbh

i think i lack critical distance from this show because of the long, loving shots of tim olyphant

i am pretty sure it rules, though

it TOTALLY rules. LG is crazy.

Also re the whole 'formula' argument: Mad Men is just a formulaic as Justified. Mad Men is an uber-stylish soap opera! It's SO soapy it's ridiculous. I love Mad Men, don't get me wrong. But it's as formulaic a soap opera as Justified is a cop show.

imo mad men is def subtler/orignialer/better than justified but like its better than most shows so thats really not damning - and as i said upthread justfied is totally knowing re its use of formula, i mean it def tries to have it both ways, but it works out p well imo

I guess it's just do you like hats/guns or hats/brooding :)

At the end of the day, it's all hats. Surely we can come together on that.

they stopped wearing hats in mad men tbh :(

oh shit, you're right. I just always remember it with hats.

can we talk more about Timothy Olyphant? and that cute sniper guy that's his sidekick?

a perfect getaway is p good

• i also think the sniper is v handsome

he sneaks up on you, but yes. super handsome. and he has a lovely drawl. Apparently he was the lead in Eurotrip? Which hurts my head. I so don't want to see that movie.

ive seen eurotrip at least lol 3 times, it was on cable a lot, its p hilar in its own way, hes not the lead but he has a big part - scotty doesnt know scotty doesnt know dont tell scotty --matt damon

hmm

this is not really the type of movie you want to watch 'on purpose'

jus fyi

I had a feeling

local garda otm in this thread -- justified is a fine show with flashes of greatness (and i would rather watch it than mad men, but that doesn't matter because i'd rather watch almost anything over mad men), but it's kind of, i dunno, basic. last season totally stepped up but the reviews going 'omg it's the wire for the appalachians!' were just ridic.

Mostly everything that gets compared to 'The Wire' is wishful-thinking/shameless hyperbole. Brits did it hardcore with the Danish The Killing.

re: Mad Men being a soap vs. this: Mad Men is so character based that the plots hinge not on what actually happens but how the characters react to them. That's what we're watching for and that's what makes it great. Justified doesn't quite do that in the same way: Lots of viewer interest relies on what Mags and her clan is up to/how Raylon and Winona are going to get out of the evidence box fiasco/whatever happened in the few stand-alones. It's just the way the show is designed, and at the moment, that can only allow for so much of the character development that a lot of people think makes shows like Mad Men great. If they were to try a predominately two-person episode (perhaps a bottle, perhaps not) like "The Suitcase" or "The Fly", I'm not sure how well it would work. Though I'd love to see them try.

some dude, no offense but you like rizzoli and isles.

Just because they don't quote fuckin' Socrates or make meta commentaries on the state of domestic politics via meth labs doesn't diminish it one bit.

this argument's getting way too snooty for my liking.

basic.

PAH.

PAH I SAY.

I love Justified! I'm just saying that it should be approached differently from shows like Mad Men, and shouldn't be compared.

ireland, the most cosmopolitan country in the world

mm

might want to get your sarcasm radar rewired.

i agree the comparison thing is kinda stupid, i didn't really go down that road to begin with, it was foisted on me!

Mad Men is so character based that the plots hinge not on what actually happens but how the characters react to them.

but there's still a fairly good plot, like even within that this is telling a story about people's lives and the events that they react to are interesting/funny.

breaking bad manages to balance a really intense plot with just perfect character development all the way through, like how it manages to pace each episode and make every moment feel so deftly used is amazing.

if we are to compare it's probably a better comparison point. i also disagree with the notion that wanting something that gets really raw and deep into its characters is somehow snooty or something. it's not, it's just exciting.

some dude, no offense but you like rizzoli and isles.

― polyphonic, Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:05 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

i like Justified more fwiw, and there is a large difference of context between saying a highly praised and ilx-popular show isn't quite what people have hyped it up to be and saying that a show noone gives a shit about is pretty decent and watchable. but y'know whatever weakass ad hominem you want to use to discredit my opinion, "no offense."

sometimes shows just dont 'click' with people, for example i think community is petty funny but ilx thinks its the best sitcom of the decade, nothing you can do about that really, the thing is though, justified is really effing good

it might be because i have come to a lot of these shows after a long time never watching any tv drama, and i think with justified it feels too much "like a tv show" before i stopped watching stuff.

Ah....okay well that makes sense. See I probably watch more TV than anything else, and I kinda like the genre stuff that still behaves like regular tv.

having said all this i will watch s3, just prob like s2, when there's a lull between other stuff i like a bit better. it's still entertaining.

now i feel bad; mad men was just a red herring because i was mad. sorry!

there's a reason it's not called happy ladies iirc

it might be because i have come to a lot of these shows after a long time never watching any tv drama, and i think with justified it feels too much "like a tv show" before i stopped watching stuff.

― LocalGarda, Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:29 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

justified is v 'tv-showy' but imo it kinda transcends the form via knowingness/having such attention to detail

weakass ad hominem

I just find it odd that you like that show, but this show is "basic" and Mad Men is no good at all. Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

why would a tv show need to transcend the form the form is awesome >:[

it doesnt need to

i can't even track who i'm mad at itt anymore

i think the ways in which this show is meta are kind of not at the heart of it anyway; i just assume the writers get bored and like to amuse themselves with it.

and they are interested in genre as a thing so they like to comment on it

oh and another thing i liek abt it thats not boilerplate tv drama is how the plot for next week episode starts at the end of the previous week, gives it a nice rhythm

idk i think the meta thing is v much written into the main character so

because of the hat or

polyphonic there are shades of nuance and context to why anyone expresses enjoyment of one thing and dislike of another. a lot of things are "odd" if you boil them down to reductive better than/less than rankings that I never actually expressed.

also yeah i don't see the meta at all really

i think the "meta" thing is kind of "standard" elmore leonard knowingness/irony. its not really very winky or tarantino look-at-me its just kind of... leonard at his very best (& this show) is good at acknowledging that hes working within a set of well-worn tropes without it feeling all "CHECK THIS OUT GUYS"

right, the thing about leonard and also about good tv shows is that they celebrate conventions of genre.

they don't pretend they're better than them.

because of the hat or

― horseshoe, Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:42 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well the hat and him killing people in shootouts all the time, in a more straightforward show hed be celebrated for this sort of behavior, but here everyones rolling their eyes like this guy - its sort of like the macgruber movie in that way if anyone follows lol

right, the thing about leonard and also about good tv shows is that they celebrate conventions of genre.

― horseshoe, Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh imo it goes beyond celebration, like its not disparaging them, but its not taking them seriously either, its more i guess playful, which is great

yeah, it is playful, but i mean, i don't think leonard would have a problem with being called a genre writer

that's what genre is good for it gives you a set of conventions to play around with

whoa so the sniper was the skinny david spade dude in eurotrip

no shit

i don't think this is even a real argument i am just *defensive* about justified

2007 Across the Universe Rap Magazine Employee Movie

lol

*ads to queue*

I'm with you, horseshoe.

that's what genre is good for it gives you a set of conventions to play around with

― horseshoe, Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:49 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is maybe getting tiresome but ill just say in closing the elements of convention are assembled somewhat unconventionally in this show, and i like it

whoa so the sniper was the skinny david spade dude in eurotrip

no shit

― ☂ (max), Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:50 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha

this is maybe getting tiresome but ill just say in closing the elements of convention are assembled somewhat unconventionally in this show, and i like it

― ice cr?m, Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:56 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, for sure, of course there are much more conventional cop shows. sorry i was such a pain; you described the meta-ness as "annoying" before, that's all.

haha captain save-a-justified, i really like the show and i think its annoying as in it manages to use the metaness to further the dramatic tension, which is impressive, like its not just showily meta but actually incorporates it into the meaning of the show, it irritates and compels, the nature of drama

i mean its a v good show and it messes w/you, plays the edges, puts wynona who is also v annoying btw lol in yr face for a lil too long, its v crafty

annoying like a girl you secretly want to smash, got it

ok im glad we came to an understanding here

god i'm tired of that ilx meme/joke/whatever

sorry :/

i bet you find it pretty annoying

:)

a lot of things are "odd" if you boil them down to reductive better than/less than rankings that I never actually expressed.

Fair enough. I like plenty of garbage myself!

haters shd fall back imo

not a single person itt who actually hates on this show afaict

i am starting to resent your reasonable person ilx persona

:( sorry

i think it reflects worse on me than on you

the heart olyphants what it olyphants

omg exactly!

finding some dude p annoying itt

this is definitely the best show ever to have run the 'i think that went well' line in its first five minutes

http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2011/07/qla-walton-goggins.html

goggins, total bro, unsurprising

This is back tonight.

fuck yes

HOLY SHIT!!

this was good! Sorry to see a comic book bad guy introduced and dispatched so quickly tho

This ruled! Loved Raylan's simple-but-elegant standoff solution. Also pretty stoked to see how this suddenly-huge cast of players (with more to come) are going to play off of each other.

I'm curious to find out why Boyd wanted to go to prison; that was hella contrived and obvious
Gonna miss Mags a lot.

I liked that icepick dude, he was creepy (and cuet)

he wanted to get to prison to kill dickie right?

well, that's what the end of the episode suggested.

I liked that icepick dude, he was creepy (and cuet)

He is from Dexter. I wasn't sure it was him at first because he seems to have lost a lot of weight, but Googling confirms it.

omg the mob boss dude is from Terriers! he is the creepiest-looking dude. he looks like an old baby.

he is in Burn Notice too. He has a smooth patch in the middle of his forehead, I can't tell if it's from botox or what...he's SO weird looking!

I'll always remember him from Ravenous, which also featured Jeremy Davies.

HE WAS LICKING MEEEEEEEE

McDonough was set to star in the ABC dramedy Scoundrels[3] but was fired for refusing to do sex scenes for the show. He credits his family and his Catholic faith for his decision.[4]

McDonough portrays the role of "Jesus" in "The Truth & Life Dramatized audio New Testament Bible," a 22-hour, celebrity-voiced, fully dramatized audio New Testament which uses the Catholic edition of the RSV.

oh my GOD the ice pick dude was JACK BASS???????????????

Good one tonight. Doing well this season.

I really dug last week's episode, the money in the cooler was LOL

the teaser for this episode was very upsetting

I can't remember it

just dewey crowe in a bathtub of his own blood being told about what's going to happen to his body without kidneys. i couldn't even look at the screen/kind of felt like i was going to pass out.

oh shit NOW i remember

yeah

Currently the best show on tv for my money
i love the comic book intensity of the bad guys

Otm. The dialog has guaranteed lols in every ep

the slow drift to icy on the Detroit guys face when he knew his bullshit was not being bought was some priceless acting there

this show is clicking in a way I never thought it would. Absolutely killing it this season.

It took me a while to get over no Mags, but I dunno...if they keep this up story-wise this show could run for years

i damn well hope so

And they have such AWESOME casting. Using really quality actors in the smallest roles, I love this style of tv.

Have I mentioned that I LOVE THIS SHOW

always meant to look into it, but is the show shot in the south? If not they do an excellent job of making LA look like absolutely not LA.

I think I remember some hills looking an awful lot like Southern California once, but I don't know. There are more shows being filmed in the south these days (Vampire Diaries, Walking Dead, Hart of Dixie) that maybe there are tax breaks they found.

Still, pretty sure it is LA, especially considering the conspicuous "we're going to LA" episode in the first season.

I'd like to see them flesh out his fellow Marshalls a bit more, but as they don't have the time for Ava and Natalie Zea (forget her character name) I don't imagine that will happen.

I want more of the sniper guy, he's cuet :)

re shooting locations, yeah I think they do most of it in LA. One of my friends in LA recognised the bridge the baddies RV was parked under from the episode a couple of weeks back

i am hoping for more rachel time this season. also my sister wants ava and wynona gone, period, which i have to admit might be better.

I kinda like Ava, but I could live without Wynona

i like ava, too, but girlfriend roles are wretched

I still feel Ava's shift to pro-crime Boyd Crowder lover was far too abrupt and unbelievable, but I'm okay with it now.

here is the thing about boyd: he's dreamy?

No doubt, and I buy their relationship when they're on screen together. It was just the switchover that still feels like figuring out how to keep Ava in the show.

yeah they didn't dole her out a lot of character in the first place

I feel like I like Winona more this season than ever before, but yeah Season 1 Ava is not the same character as the rest of the show, which is kind of the biggest annoyance for me right now. That said, this absolutely ruled this week. Loved Raylan's horrible pun, it felt like he lifted it from the Archer writers' room.

looks like Winona is going to be a lot more pivotal shortly
here's hoping she elevates beyond the "i stole a bag of money, shucks" schtick from last year. it wasn't that bad but had the same whiff of ava breaking bad: character development for the sake of plot development

I read somewhere that those two episodes were specifically conceived more as a relatively inexpensive stopgap rather than some carefully considered (on a thematic/character level) development, which makes a lot of sense in retrospect.

yyyep

It's kind of maddening, as far as Ava and Winona are concerned. I mean, the writers are capable of coming up with an awesome, well-shaded female character like Mags...it's not like they cant get better storylines for them. But yeah, if they're just going to be cartoons, then don't have them at all.

How are we to this point on the thread without anyone mentioning how Mykelti Williamson is ABSOLUTELY KILLING IT as Ellstin Limehouse? The introduction of Noble's Holler is this season's stroke of genius, and his patriarchal menace is the photo negative of Neal McDonough's Quarles character.

yeah noble's holler is a development i am v *excited* and Limehouse is already a great character

Yes, loving Limehouse. that dude is badass. He's sort of got that even-tempered, still waters run deep kinda, I dunno, Marsellus Wallace feel about him...

His creepy "bacon"-flavored sex threat against my lovely Deputy Brooks REALLY pissed me off.

(there is a sentence I did not ever expect to type)

he's strong but I don't feel like he's gotten a *great* scene yet.

the torture scene was a sign of things to come,

I'm willing to bet that first great scene will be his first encounter with Quarles.

kinda too bad I don't have cable for this, cuz I can't see haviong the time to watch DVDs of prev season til, oh, September

bummer morbs! it's really great!

yeah, evil bbq guy is great
the one weak link is the female marshall imo. they gave her an ep last season and she basically threw it away. I'm not sure she can act.

er Brooks, I guess.

no i love her!

aw I like her

i'm not sure YOU can act, forks...ya big jerk :)

I am, in fact, Dewey Crowe.

you lowdown gimp

AHMA DESPERATE MAYUHN

lol everytime I think of Dewey I think of him in the trailer with the hooker, naked wearing his cowboy hat

brb got a hot chick in my trailer

lolol

YOU MEAN I GOT FOUR KIDNEYS?

still lol'ing @ this

yeah that was classic. cartoonish but still funny. sort of convinced elmore leonard wrote that line himself.

I like to think he writes the funniest zings

and Raylan's pun was A+

I don't know if I ever mentioned this upthread but I heard somewhere that Leonard's one note to Olyphant after seeing the pilot was "lose the hat". O_O

i like this show a lot but i am having trouble with suspension of disbelief when they are supposed to be in frankfort, lexington, harlan etc and it looks nothing like any of those places. otherwise though it has wet my whistle and i can't wait to watch the older season(s?).

seasons - there's 2 before this one

just such enjoyable television. like i just find elmore leonard vibe stuff sooo fun, i don't even care that it's not wire caliber or that everyone has to do like ironic james bond bad guy gone hillbilly monologues before they kill everyone, it's just all so much fun...

also someone mentioned upthread about how they really stock their cast with good actors for every small role, like so many great people, like raylan's boss, etc even if they don't get a ton of time...

i feel like jeremy david playing dickie is right up there with olyphant and the dude that plays boyd too

love the name of this tumblr, just found it looking for a picture of boyd:

http://fuckyeahjustified.tumblr.com/

Yeah, the woman who played the dodgy nurse (Layla, was that her name?) was so good I was surprised when she copped it. Although I think they said she was going to make it, so maybe we haven't seen the last of her.

she had the sexiest snarl

yeah this is real talk, boyd's all-the-way-buttoned + flannel jackets is an amazing look

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:28 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

super OTM post here^

Boyd's "come into my parlor" sitdowns with Devil, and then Quarles were so fucking good. Goggins, man.

ive been watching this show and its v v enjoyable but really really really stupid. there have been more murders in one season of this show than there were in the entire state of kentucky in 2010

:D

>:[

it's not a documentary

yay kentucky killing fields! MOAR SHOOTIN

is there a more overrated virtue in entertainment than "realism"?

its just sort of tiresome tho like cant the show find another way of being 'exciting' w/o just killing people all the time? tbh it kinda feels like the show isnt that interested in anything but violence, which makes the show a fun distraction but sorta shallow? idk hs i want to like it just tim o is so dreamy and the dialogue is often p sharp but outside of the character of boyd its all so thin an well, dumb. like i think theyve tempered the rayalan myth stuff p well like having him get his ass kicked or the other characters kinda just rtde at him but i think the show is too casual and too quick to use violence to define its action?

i mean i watched the first season in like three nights while filling out grant applications, it was lots of fun but it just left a sour taste

it is tv, it is america, people be dyin

if you're looking for a rational argument with me about this show it's not happening

i am really quick to hurl the accusation that a show is shallow but i don't really think this one is. i don't know; it's so leonardy--lots of cartoonish characters that don't seem to have much depth but the realism is situational, or something? or the whole tone is so wry that the show can't let itself explore depth in a straightforward way. i should just work out my defense of this show on these grounds because it keeps coming up, and i understand the criticism, but ultimately disagree.

lol or what m@tt said

yeah this is real talk, boyd's all-the-way-buttoned + flannel jackets is an amazing look

haha in the most recent episode i watched he was wearing a charcoal plaid under this really stylish like maybe waxed cotton button up jacket and dark slim cut jeans and i was like 'lol he dresses like half the guys i know'

really this show is p stealthily stylish, feel like winona has some p excellent celine and apc style workwear, these trim and elegantly patterned silk floral dresses and blouses in trendy colors with good proportions

you must run in some p cool circles, a great look

i dont really want the show to be 'realistic' but i think that the cartoonish/gratuitous violence ends up giving these actions an uncomfortable weightlessness. and i also think the show is inconsistent about how it views 'legitimate' murder. like raylan got transferred to ky because he killed that guy but then he goes on to kill like a half a dozen more ppl really lightly. similarly the ag stuff w/boyd's shooting ends up being more about getting boyd out of prison than like ethical qn about how 'justified' it is for raylan to just go around killing people all the time

like i guess i feel realism aside that while the show sometimes seems interested in looking at the ethical qns around violence it leans so heavily on violence as a storytelling that any attempt to address the morality of this stuff is compromised and distorted. also on just a mechanical level the 'gotta shoot somebody' approach seems to offer real diminishing returns

lamp otm really but i'm liking this season's breezier, comic book-y murder rate. I think all the killings are still "justified"; no one is killed unless they drew first and if they are, then their comeuppance is forthcoming.

the justification is "me or you", consistently and anyone who oversteps that boundary pays the price, even if it's Mags. The reason Boyd and Raylan are, more or less, co-pro/antagonists and it's often hard to tell the difference who's in the right is because they share virtually the same moral code. It's only ethically that they disagree.

tbf post-S1 they've at least really toned down the number of people shot + killed by Raylan. (if not the baddies.)

I would say that it's been pretty consistent on the killing front. Just more of it this year.

raylan really kills that many ppl? i dont remember the 1st season bein that violent

Can't believe s1 isn't available streaming via Hulu, Netflix or Amazon. Booooo

Read the book of short stories Raylan Givens appears in, they're like short-fiction hors d'oeuvre.

raylan really kills that many ppl? i dont remember the 1st season bein that violent

i didnt finish watching this cuz i havent seen S2 but according to the person how made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7e5NQgwXw raylan has shot and killed 13 (!) people over the course of the first two seasons. also google autocompletes 'how many people has raylan givens killed?'

the last two episodes of season one are a bloodbath tho like all the people at boyds camp just strung up!

i dunno one person every couple episodes seems pretty par for the course with cop/crime shows? maybe i am revealing too much about myself here but the violence never really bothered me

haha maybe this is why i dont really like most cop shows :/

i mean i feel like i am being tedious going on about it so and i dont really have anything else to say, i guess i also think its 'interesting' that like criminal antiheroes could never kill people in such numbers so casually like its always a 'big deal' or a comment on their morality probably i am thinking about this show wrong

yeah i dunno i dont really have a defense, i guess the show operates in this kind of funny (and leonardian) space btw myth and genre convention and reality. so in some sense i want to write off the violence and death as formal (for the genre) & necessary (for the myth) -- but not sure how it fits into the shows 'realism,' such as it is

i will say that one thing i love about justified is that while it doesnt on the one hand seem to fully subscribe to the urhm mythopoetics of the_western or appalachia, its also totally uninterested in an unforgiven-style 'deconstruction' of those mythopoetics. this is kind of standard for leonard & i love it.

sorry for using the word mythopoetics but you know

That's a good 50c word, max, you should not apologize!

I guess I am kind of, I dunno, amoral when it comes to violence on TV. It only bothers me if the show is bad. Like, if the show seems stupid then I will start noticing ott violence or whatever. But if the story/dialogue/characters are good enough, then they can stack the bodies like cordwood and I won't raise much of an eyebrow. Well, I mean...crazy violence is crazy violence and that stands out, but as max pointed out, really in the context of what is a cops/robbers show the violence in 'Justified' doesn't seem all that out of balance to me.

but I'm kind of a bloodthirsty sumbitch, lol.

I probably wouldn't watch an entire season of Raylan at a desk job while a shooting was investigated for proper use of force.

no actually I would

truthbomb

poor ol dewey

I love that Raylan doesn't care about "shitkicker on shitkicker crime".

"Today is opposite day" LOL

i liked the second season a lot, i think the thing i liked about the show is that it often feels like and is structured as if it were a procedural crime show but the actual narrative is closer to the longer season-long sweep of a cable drama. so its satisfying in a regular, dependable way but still manages to give the storylines some space and time to breathe and conflict and deepen.

"Oh, I didn't bring a knife!"

olyphant's line readings have become real things of beauty

kinda bummed re: no hat in this ep. But he kicked ass.

great episode

loved how the "next one's coming faster" line showed up again. also how art's beating the shit out of that suspect showed up again. what a great show.

and the re-iteration via Winona of "what am I, an asshole?", and every single one of Gutterson's lines...

this is the only thing on tv i get jumpy about not having watched if it's already aired cause I'm afraid i'll catch a spoiler

No surprise, but it was renewed for a fourth season.

:D

The face-off between Raylan and Win Duffy last week, in the empty room...they were throwing some A+ oneliners at each other.

Loved Stephen Tobolowsky's bit part as the FBI guy.

damn really looking forward to this tonight.

me too

Qualls is one freaky mofo

I've only watched the first season so far, but I did just see "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia," which totally makes even the most ridiculous scenarios of this show seem totally plausible.

Goddamn this was a good episode.

I love Dicky Bennett's crazy Kaczynski steez at the hearing, and the way his mullet has grown out into a crazy fauxhawk

"i already got a father"
"i know i met him"
"good point, go on"

I've enjoyed this show all season, but I wasn't quite sure if they had a solid enough idea of where all these disparate threads were heading, so this episode was exactly what I needed. All the elements moving together, as well as continuing to subvert expectations on the 'powerful' Detroit operator. I just hope Adam Arkin turns up again.

Fucking great this week.
probably not quite as good as last year but still the best show on the teevee. really psyched for the windup next week.

it's weird how preordained all this shit is
like you KNOW that babyhead is gonna die in the last ep and that black bbq mobster is gonna live to fight another day
one is justified, the other ain't

I had an argument with my friend last week who swore up and down that Dickie was going to get offed

To me they don't have a show if they don't keep Dickie, Raylan and Boyd in the mix. I mean, def Raylan and Boyd, but Dickie adds that unknown extra factor whenever he shows up, because he's just smart enough to not get killed but dumb enough to fuck things up for everyone.

I think they have a few options for that wild card character... Raylan's dad, Dewey Crow, any ol' shitkicker hooker they choose to give more than ten lines
Dickie definitely developed into a real humdinger of a type this go-round

was anyone else surprised that Erroll wasn't really rolling over on limehouse?

i love how everyone constantly comments on and insults quarles looks, excellent running joke

well he clearly ain't from around there

I hope Dickie sticks around for another season, I can't even imagine how awesome his hair would become.

I love the joke from the previous episode, where the drugdealer's mom says Quarles was 'husky' and they have that whole conversation about him being fat until she reveals that no, he looked like a sled dog, lolololol

ha yes totally, also this ep 'big baby head'

it didnt look like dickie was shot to death fwiw xp

I have loved Jeremy Davies for a long time but I had no idea he had Dickie Bennett in him. Dude is AWESOME every episode he's in. Maybe one of my favorite characters.

yeah, i think they woulda shown him dead if he was dead
babyhead is so so so dead now; you don't get to kill cops on this show unless they're crooked

babyhead as win duffy's nickname is my favorite thing ever

lol in conversation w/boyd he calls him 'the big stupid babyhead'

oh shit she did too looool

she = he

So who ends up offing Arlo next week? My money's on Boyd.

very tasty: http://www.liquorama.net/junior-johnsons-midnight-moon-apple-pie-moonshine-750ml.html

oh hello

this was great

oh shit, forgot! watching now!

"oh shit it's a piggy bank!"

that ruled

woww

disarmed him

oh man the piggy bank moment was pretty good

v exciting finale!

I liked it a lot but it left a lot of loose threads? Would've appreciated a half hour more of wrap up.
Ultimately not quite as strong in toto as season two imo based on that ending but still hit a real sweet spot
Glad to see Limehouse will be an ongoing major character.
And is BabyHead dead? That felt potentially open?

only shot in the chest and had his arm removed, hes prob fine

dude, getting shot in the chest on this show is like getting a traffic ticket

i.e. i'm not assuming you're dead until they bring a body bag or a hat off the set

wonder how fast u bleed out from a severed arm

well they had a massive bleed puddle when he hit the ground so i was wondering if that was meant to mean "HE DAID YALL" but am honestly not ready to say goodbye just yet

very impressed by the pre-credit scene with dude in the trailer; that bit has been done a zillion times and is so cliche and those two actors sold it

Yeah I could have done with a longer finale. It's kinda hard to follow up a season of Mags with really, anyone...it all pales next to her and her crew. But this season was pretty good on its own.

It'd be cool if babyhead comes back at the end of next season as a desperate one-armed psycho

ha win duffy was so shook

between the disarming and the shooting a man in a hat i felt like the show went places in this ep it hadnt been before

really love win duffy

i thought this season kind of lost the thread a couple of episodes back but it recovered nicely

i like the loose ends. arlo! limehouse! johnny crowder omg!

yeah the actor doing win was doing class A freakout; somehow not being able to say FUCK made everything he said sound like FUCK
babyhead one-armed man fugitive plotline offering camp lolz
would particularly like it if he has like a little derringer at the end of a stump

win duffy is an amazing character

i refuse to call quarles babyhead; in the first episode i dubbed him "oldbaby" and he will always be oldbaby to me

internets please give me a gif of raylan playing keepaway with babyhead's arm

thought it was p deft plotting how johnnys motivation for turning on boyd was so obvious yet obscured by the chaos of current events

internets please give me a gif of raylan playing keepaway with babyhead's arm

― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

priceless moment

btw quarles was in band of bros like seemingly every other bit actor on this show and he was freakishly handsome in it.

thank you internets
http://fuckyeahjustified.tumblr.com/
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2au48j6y11qi532yo1_250.gif
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2au48j6y11qi532yo2_250.gif

there should be a thread for spoiler gifs
start with this and zombie gus

didnt quarles play lex luthor too

on smallville?

yeah i think so

or not

also I dug the scene in Limehouse's bar when Limehouse's dudes get up on Raylan and suddenly Raylan whips around with a gun in each hand, so badass

like, fast as lightning

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/04/the-strange-glorious-pedigree-of-justified/255674/
"Tonight's finale should set things up well for what is rumored to be the fourth and final season"
UH

i guess i made that up re lex luthor