Thought we should have a thread that's a catch-all for any and all conversations that start like this, since we seem to have like five or six threads for it.
I'll go first:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPBbMbKSZrQ
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno if its racist but its certainly unlistenable crap
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?
― kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
also, this thread is not just for songs, but commercials, movies, tv shows, jpegs, assorted anything.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh word, noticed this is on I Love Everything.
― kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I mean where the fuck is I Love Racism already
― cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
what do you think is racist about this song...?
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Why's he talking about white girls?
― kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
for reference:
She's blonde,She's blonde,Comes along the sidewalk.
She's Blonde,Leave a trail of blue and black,Up to you fighting back.
She's Blonde,Steel chains,A noose of charms on our necks.
I find out nothing when we talk and sit,Blue heart passion and watch the set.
Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-
Nineteen,Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.
Nineteen,Drain every beer left over at home,and listen to ghosts in the other room.
I Can't!Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.
Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.
Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-
Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl
having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
blanking on her name at the moment.
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ
Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga
colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe
― J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
racist, clearly not
would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/09/kings-of-leon-hires-choir-of-black-children-to-make-their-new-mp3-sound-more-soulful.html
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Still waiting for an apology.
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"
(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)
― juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing
― J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna lol if it was Hype Williams
― juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Sophie Muller directed it.
― Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, how about this?
http://gawker.com/5643372/this-weeks-new-yorker-cartoon-caption-contest-winner-pretty-racist
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
more offensive for not being funny
― bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bitterwallet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/zBOSA-500x375.jpg
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that was a fake
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet
so yes, racist
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
strictly concern trolling in here.
― Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
take it to i love footy
― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning
― jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
barf
http://i55.tinypic.com/25oxf7k.png
maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://hipsterhitler.com/
― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
gawker isnt a message board
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ilx is my favorite blog
― markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
MIXMASTERRACE
EASTSIDEWESTSIDEGENOCIDE
― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (thirteen years ago) link
is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc
I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions
― 4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.
Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
are the finns a race?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.
Guess they didn't have Google then either.
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),
jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
zorn smash
― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
is this chorus racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY&ob=av3n
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
?
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://dasracist.net/
― am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"
it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i can def see that
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.
― doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.
― zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.
― zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too
― sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?
I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?
*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews
― sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.
― SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated?
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say
jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
venti frap all over the keyboard
― jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too― sarahel, Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:19 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― sarahel, Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:19 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
white people live in "ghetto"s too, but hilarious that you missed my point so wildly
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i55.tinypic.com/20ur8gm.png
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:41 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark
3.9 imo, though it depends what you were eating when you posted it
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
meth is a white trash drug last time I checked, but ok?
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
stop being rooster racists
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
So it's only OK to laugh at Mexicans when they do white trash drugs?
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm more laughing at the rooster, honestly
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
you better be
― del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
also, mods plz delete jpg from thread, there's a reason thats on 77
in case l0rena googles "20ur8gm.png"
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
OMG GOOGLE FOR http://i55.tinypic.com/20ur8gm.png AND FIND LORENA
― jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ahahaha
― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Your search - 20ur8gm.png - did not match any documents.
― markers, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
when ppl talk abt "traditional african culture"
― a fucking knitted scarf (another al3x), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm reading a column in a COLLEGE NEWSPAPER about Obama "getting his grove back"
This is kinda racist right?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 September 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
GROOVE*********
That one is questionable. I doubt intentionally racist, but certainly guilty of trying and failing to be "witty".
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
bohemian groove
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
orange grove- racist, sectarian
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok actually this was based off a bill Clinton quote
I bet this chick is still kinda racist, but my apologies
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 September 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Clinton can't be racist because he was the first black president.
― Super Cub, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
^racist?
http://www.theroot.com/buzz/led-zepplin-front-man-spooked-black-music
Led Zepplin Front Man 'Spooked' by Black MusicBy nsenga.burtonCreated 09/22/2010 - 18:30
Robert Plant refers to black music as "spook music."
Fresh from the "We can't make this up file," Led Zepplin front man Robert Plant said that "spook music" is one of his favorite genres of music. When did he do this? On a recent appearance on The Today Show. While promoting his new album Band of Joy, Plant opened up about his influences. "[British people] didn't really have the musical knowledge as you guys have [in America]," said Plant. "So we tapped as much American 'spook music' as we could -- as much blues -- mixed it up and nobody liked it. But the feeling of freedom was fantastic." Take the needle off the record. The man whose work is clearly an appropriation of black culture, doesn't know that "spook music," is a derogatory term for black music? Wow. We won't mention the time period of when Led Zepplin ruled the airwaves. He should appropriate some more black culture and call himself "The Great Pretender," because that is what he appears to be.
― *makes 'drinky-drinky' motion with hand* (gr8080), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^sounds highly unlikely, show me the clip
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS5GHOkCCgY&feature=player_embedded#
― *makes 'drinky-drinky' motion with hand* (gr8080), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
massive facepalm
― bang (HI DERE), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
wth
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe he just doesn't know, thinks its akin to ~spooky~......it's not a racial epithet in england
don't rly care either way but just saying
― E-Mil Cioran (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ "thinks its akin to spooky" uh no he doesn't
― zvookster, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
think he was probably trying to make some point abt how the music was held in low esteem by whites who weren't him & jon bonham. like there's a bit of time travel going on. he might have said "race music".
― zvookster, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
classic interview response
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
in his defence, he didn't say spook music was his favorite genre. that actually is from the department of making it up.
― zvookster, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
um that quote is not in the clip
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
so again, show me the evidence or I'm gonna continue believing this is some kind of misquote/misinterpretation cuz I really have a hard time believing Page would knowingly and casually use a racial epithet
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
it's at 1:03 in the youtube
― zvookster, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.spookmusic.com/
― buzza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Robert is a little older and a little more cosmopolitan than I am, I'm sure, but I am Britishes and have never heard the term 'spook music'.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I have never heard the phrase "spook music" in my life.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I have nfi what it even means.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"The music of spook - a unique mix of relaxed grooves, mystic spheres and a deep positive feeling of life. Oh yeah, racism too."
― buzza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah having seen the video it's pretty clearly not a word-choice error
still, i guess he is talking historically and he is invoking some tired archetype while unaware that spook is simply a pejorative
― E-Mil Cioran (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
doesn't ~look~ like he's trolling
ah I see it now - sorry
fuck I dunno what the hell he was thinking. bizarre.
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
we should have listened to Bill Magill :(
― goole, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh yeah I have never heard the term "spook music" before in my life. "spook" okay yeah that's an archaic racial epithet but... wtf it's a total facepalm/headscratch moment.
I imagine a public apology will be forthcoming shortly lol
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i was hoping he'd throw ~air tildes~ around it like "we played ~spook music~" as if to suggest that's what ~they~ called it
but no
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Spook music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4uxIo4t7xM
― a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Spock music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B4lsvrzfZI
Sparks music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBtj2ShktAU
wow u put in some work on this one man
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
just keepin it positive
― a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean at least link to ghostbox or s/thing for yr spook music
― E-Mil Cioran (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think "that's what THEY called it" is going to be an effective strategy when using racially loaded terminology
― bang (HI DERE), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
right right, i was just imagining scenarios where this could be something other than an outright fuckup, but no, it's a fuckup
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
How has he been playing music for 40 years and no one told him that's offensive!
― ^^^that's lightweight jammin (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Robert Plant issues apologyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esZ15n6_5JY
― buzza, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe he doesn't throw it around all the time? xp
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
is he a known racist?
― E-Mil Cioran (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
*logs on to nme.com*
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hey everybody just real quick i'ma c'mon son.jpg myself xp
― "SEX" drought, 2 wisks (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
trouble before was if you wanted to say lz were racist, you'd either need to play up the tired ~appropriation~ thing, or the volkisch immigrant song angry white ppl stuff....and the two stories didn't quite fit, but this helps to link the threads
― E-Mil Cioran (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
This is totally racist, but what the fuck is wrong with Australia/New Zealand? Like first the blackface gong show and now this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/11/paul-henry-resigns-new-ze_n_757797.html
― Christopher Green Leafy Swagon Indiebro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd love to laugh at antipodean racists, and i often do - my impersonation of an australian is to say "fucking lebos mate" - but tonight on american television a british man is going to be browned up playing a character called "Fa'ad", so maybe people in glass houses and all that.
― C. Tuomas Howell (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
wait waht
― I lettered in Sam and Carl (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
check out this hilarious gif of paul henry http://imgur.com/zjI7H.gif
― del griffith, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/ae/articles/2010/07/18/20100718plant0718.html#ixzz10Mrv4PVU
maybe Plant thought he coined some new term or something
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/WUCxQ.jpg
― gr8080, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I got this salsa the other day, and on the side of it it says that, "not unlike a Latin lover," it will "satisfy even your most hedonistic desires."
― CharlieS, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
My favorite "is it racist?" moment on TV is the Jeopardy clip where the Indian guy flubs some question where the answer is "New Delhi", and Trebek kind of deadpans to him, "hurts to miss that one...", it's so easy to find on Youtube, it's been making me laugh for years.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg7Wg-RG9hk
― jeff, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda racist, 100% awesome
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFytHoXdG3E
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
not your father's long duk dong
― oh, boobie (tremendoid), Thursday, 10 February 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
CNN is stirring controversy with an article that calls the upcoming NBA All-Star Game "Black Thanksgiving."
The article, by longtime NBA analyst David Aldridge, calls All Star Weekend a "national holiday" for African Americans, and quotes USC professor Todd Boyd as saying that "the NBA All-Star weekend has turned into a celebration of African American culture by extension."
The article also ran in the middle of the front page of CNN's home page (scroll down for a screenshot).
But some of the hundreds of commenters who flooded the story were not happy. "Shame on you CNN for perpetuating the racism in America...and for what, to get readers? Are you that desperate?" commenter yippidy wrote.
"You managed to include every Black stereotype known to the Western world in this article," rockhanna said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/18/cnn-black-thanksgiving-nb_n_825335.html#s242844&title=Courtney_Browne
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i get the impression it's not a big deal to make fun of indians (like ppl from india) in the us right?
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Saturday, 19 February 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah its totally ok
we make fun of them all the time
― gr8080, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
http://tvtastic.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/outsourced_nbc_tv_show_logo.jpg?w=569&h=320
― Clay, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
(t&b again)
― http://tinyurl.com/lil-shits (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
teal and orange. I can't do abbrevs in my head anymore.
Eh? Outsourced was a pretty good and thoughtful comedy about cultural differences, and it didn't really make fun of Indians at all.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 19 February 2011 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Outsourced is now a terrible sitcom on American tv
― Super Cub, Saturday, 19 February 2011 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, I didn't know that. That poster is from the movie, though.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 19 February 2011 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
no, it's not.
― Clay, Saturday, 19 February 2011 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm, I guess you're right... The main guy and girl look pretty similar to the actors who played them in the movie, that's what fooled me.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:09 (thirteen years ago) link
That's racist.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha!
― chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Saturday, 19 February 2011 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Tried so hard to persevere with that show. So very hard.
― egregious fannydangling (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 19 February 2011 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qapDnDDHNfs
competition for the kings of leon in the racial naivete stakes
― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
last night's episode of Outsourced was all kinds of ugh
I really don't know why I watch it
― DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
why don't u outsource your terrible tv viewing to some indian people with parody apu accents and quirky yet loveable ethnic traits who can phone u and give u the episode synopses for tomorrow's office chit chat?
― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
so straight up, are you Dom or just doing a great impersonation of him
― DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Outsourced is now a terrible sitcom
― Is Aware That She Hasn't Replied Much Lately (MintIce), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmn it's true i have been doing a lot of business class passantinoisms recently
― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Even worse than that, it's not even a sitcom. It's one of those comedies resembling a poorly produced reality show.
No it isn't!
― DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm thinking that in the absence of the ayatollah weingarten, we can reorient the kulturkampf back towards the old world, adding a distinct flavour of english cultural pessimism to ilx' trademark brand of bitter sniping and relentless negativism towards mnstrm media outlets
― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Snarkhchivan
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://scglondon.com/scg_images/text_brand_synergy3.gif
― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you need to get some kind of a hobby
― I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4289529461_c19decfd28.jpg
― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 February 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg3tIERI-D4
― sarahel, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess the real question is, does anyone think this is not racist?
she looks racist to me
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'll be deep into my studying... getting it all down... when all of a sudden I'm about to reach an epiphany..."
― Mordy, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevytosR4XA
actually this probably belongs on the "yes this is racist" thread
― dayo, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
also lol @ the azns in the library vid
"all of a sudden, when I'm about to have an epiphany..."
― dayo, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
LIBRARY AZN is a trending pejorative in the 2k10s
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i laughed at that azns asleep in libraries tumblr thing once
― the deej report (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
dayo if that youtube gal met u irl and said EUGH, U R SUCH A LIBRARY AZN (via you liking libraries, iirc)
how would u respond?
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I would probably say "CHING CHONG CHANG CHOW" and wag my finger at her
― dayo, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
actually htat would probably be pretty racist of me :/ idk maybe I'd ask her out on a date, to the library, we could sit by the microfiche section
― dayo, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://asianssleepinginthelibrary.tumblr.com/
― the deej report (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
its so sweet how shes all 'aaanyway thank you for listening and have a nice day' at the end
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
we held hands in the TR-TZ oversized section
― dayo, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
my biggest problem with college libraries is that they become these pools of self-flagellators, like it becomes a contest to see who can stay there the longest, and "I've been in the library for the past 2 weeks" becomes this sort of badge of pride, it's rly gross
― dayo, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i was never one of those ppl but i would always advocate to my friends that there should be some credit system for going to the library so that when finals came around you got preferential treatment over ppl that obv only came for finals and were rude ppl that didn't know how to exist politely in a library
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
do people go to the library just cause its a good quite place to work or are they actually looking at books
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
they go to meet asian girls
― the deej report (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like 50-50 right now but will probably be 90-10 within the next decade
― iatee, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i got books like maybe five times in four years and that was only because something i was working on required an actual book source
but so much stuff is just archived on databases now esp if you're in a liberal arts/classic field
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
dont they know they can just call asian girls on their phones xp
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
college libraries are not even that good of a place to study unless you go into one of the attic cages and seclude yourself -- otherwise you could distract yourself for hours just by running into ppl you know and/or people watching
i think most ppl go to just to be like "i got out of the house, which is something that humans do"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
how v human of them
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it depends on the library, the one at my school goes like 5 stories underground and was super isolated and quiet + no cell phone service
― iatee, Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah there were a couple of spots that i had where i knew i could get an afternoon's worth of quiet but i mostly just went because something about the act of driving to campus made me feel like i was really 'studying' rather than just doing problem sets in btw bouts of xbox
― the deej report (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
lamp otm
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also I like how some white people at the UCs still think we're 'letting in these asians' instead of (at this point) 'letting in white people w/ worse test scores'. any school w/ a sizeable # of asian-americans applying has, in effect, affirmative action for white kids.
― iatee, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:54 PM (11 minutes ago)
ppl go to college libraries for books?
libraries are the best place to study if you have ~your spot~
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
what if theres an asian in yr spot talking on the phone
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
or a fake-body made of chinese food
― iatee, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
we only 'let in' the better class of azns it wasnt a uc school i mean jeez
they all spent their time talking on gchat in the computer labs
― the deej report (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
otherwise you could distract yourself for hours just by running into ppl you know and/or people watching
i needed a bit of low-level background distraction to really get things done, college library was the perfect environment for me as an undergrad
― buzza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i prefer a cafe, constant coffee, flirty baristas
― D-40, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
there were never enough seats at my college library
― three megabytes of hot RAM (abanana), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i write in cafes; libraries are too quiet or something.
as a history major i spent/spend a lot of time with the microfiche. which was GREAT. because nobody else is ever using the microfiche, even during finals week. and the microfiche machines were next to these huge windows looking out over the girls' soccer field.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
microfilm i mean. not fiche. i don't even know what fiche is.
microfiche are like large slides with a bunch of pages on them, that you move from side to side and up and down. it can give you a serious headache if you spend a lot of time w/it.
― sarahel, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, ok, not those. the rolls. with the little trigger you press and it goes vvvvvvvVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and then you KU-CHUNK it still and try to read 17th-century cyrillic.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
that would be microfilm. for both of those i'd just print out the portions i needed and read them at home.
― sarahel, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.finchhaven.com/vhs/f07vhs/Girls_Soccer_practice_082907/tn/0217_VHS_Girls_Soccer_practice_082907.med.jpg
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
our microfilm printer cost money and was sort of weird and finicky so i just frantically copied stuff into a notebook. except once when i discovered a totally undocumented room on a totally different floor of the library marked "MICROFILM SCANNING ROOM" and when i opened the door and found the light switch and plugged various things in it turned out to be a closet with a microfilm machine connected to a computer, so that you could dump stuff to PDF. but it didn't work very well, and the whole thing felt wrong anyway, so i went back to the windows.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty badass ball, there
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbbz2AaJ31qgllp5o1_500.jpg
― B0hn J. (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/conde-nast-launches-the-new-yorker-for-black-peopl,19708/
― three megabytes of hot RAM (abanana), Thursday, 17 March 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i like how the racist girl has an "epiphany" midway through the video that maybe these people are trying to get in touch with family affected by the tsunami, and then she has to awkwardly navigate around the fact that she just undercut her own argument.
― accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Thursday, 17 March 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
our library was gross--a disastrous monument to 60s concrete architecture and a place without a single soft surface--so in general i just got in and out asap.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 March 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i just found out that a couple of local music people i know (one of whom is a white rapper who released an album with 'wigger' in the title) have a podcast called "Is This Racist?"
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
apparently the girl is quitting UCLA.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought it was supposed to be fake/ironic/parody... She's real?!
― hey jelixy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
haha doesnt seem that unbelievable to me tbh
― D-40, Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
thats a sad 'haha'
why would this be unbelievable in any fashion?
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
we're talking about a country where a professional LPGA golfer once asked the LPGA to limit the number of Asian golfers allowed on tour once because she "they had a lack of emotion and didn't attempt to speak English". not surprising at all.
― sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
white people at the UCs are pretty horrible
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
― sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
at the uc I went to a shitload of white ppl in the engineering dept would refer to asians as changers
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
like if something needed to be done, they were like "lets just get a changer to do it"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
she'd fit in better at usc anyway
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
xp hilarious obv but I mean
uh oh - what uc has a shitload of white ppl in the engineering department??
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I actually had a post clarifying that point
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
by shitload of white ppl in the engineering dept I meant a shitload OF the white ppl in the engineering dept
I wonder if wallace was a transfer student
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
as in did her GE at community college rather than entered as a freshman?
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
right
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
what makes you wonder that?
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
not used to a high number of asians in a library?
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
there are a lot of Asians at CA community colleges. Library facilities aren't as good, though.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
cause she is an idiot and it's a bit easier for an idiot to transfer to UCLA than get in from hs.
(not saying everyone who transfers is an idiot!)
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
is UCLA hard to get into?
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
goofy but made me laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulEMWj3sVA
― hipster bluppies (symsymsym), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
huh - there were quite a few idiots from my hs who went there.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
honestly i have no idea if ucla is hard to get into -- i always assumed it was tho, at least second hardest after berkley
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they've changed their requirements significantly, but i don't remember any UC school's undergrad admission requirements being really challenging.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
from hs it's pretty hard in-state. uc admissions are weird tho, I know a girl who got into barnard, columbia, brown, forgot what else, but she didn't get into UCLA. (she was hispanic fwiw, and UCs don't do affirmative action, at least not de facto)
it's very, very hard out of state / nearing elite private school selective if you're trying from out of state.
more students apply to it than any other school in the country.
but it also has the most transfers of the UCs and there's even a guaranteed transfer agreement with...santa monica cc iirc?
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
and UCs don't do affirmative action, at least not de facto
oh yeah, that was because of some other dumb ballot measure we passed.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
eventually that's gonna hurt white ppl tho, so lol
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
never underestimate the stupidity of Californians when it comes to state ballot measures.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I literally know multiple white girls who got into berkeley's engineering program because they were white girls. I mentioned this upthread but at lots of schools (not just the UCs) there really is affirmative action for white people at this point in that they'll be picked over a similarly qualified asian kid.
― iatee, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:08 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this was an Australian btw
so was the one who made homophobic comments: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/sport/rawson-rattles-a-few-cages/1427445.aspx
― gr8080, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
California is probably due for yet another racist ballot measure, trying to remember the last one.
― sarahel, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
you don't have to look v hard to find a racist/homophobic australian xp
― What-Diana-faked-death-living-false-identity-small-town-America (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Australians are just Americans with almost-British accents.
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
And fewer guns.
Guess Rawson will have to go on WS of shame now
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha I was just about to say that. I saw her IRL two days after that story broke. So many conflicted feelings, such a babe.
― gr8080, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
actually witnessed her reading an apology to the rest of the LPGA members!!!
― gr8080, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
that jimmy song makes me uncomfortable
― dayo, Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
its getting catchy tho
― dayo, Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i was a community college transfer into ucla. my cc also had a "guaranteed admission" system that operated through their honors program. you took a certain curriculum, maintained a certain gpa, etc. i wouldn't be surprised if many/most california cc's had a similar program.
anyway at no point was i made to take a class called "how not to be a stupid fucking racist" before i transfered, so that was probably the problem.
― accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Sunday, 20 March 2011 07:07 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks for the insider info
― gr8080, Sunday, 20 March 2011 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i got rejected from ucla
― max, Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
got into ucsc tho
i couldve been a banana slug
Racism means the cute and funny "Ting Tong" guy has already had his fifteen minutes. If he were white yer white grandma would be picking up his mass produced CD at Target right about now.
― Being Sorry Isn't Important When You're a Professional (u s steel), Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gif another cultural insight from ilx poster u s steel http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gif
― gr8080, Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Who gets more attention, ditzy white girl we can laugh at or videos by Asians or Asian-Americans responding to it? Why are people paying attention to this video? There are far crueller things on the internet with regard to Asians and Affirmative Action programs, they're just not produced by young blonde students with visible boobs.
― Being Sorry Isn't Important When You're a Professional (u s steel), Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
u s steel do you have visible boobs
― dayo, Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The subject is racism, let's stick to the topic.
― Maybe Tomorrow You'll Be Sorry (u s steel), Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gifhttp://www.gifandgif.eu/animated_gif/Pizza/Animated%20Gif%20Pizza%20%284%29.gifhttp://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/140/clap.gif
― gr8080, Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAfXNzXueE
― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
hololy shit
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link
how is this not Tim & Eric
― Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
place doesn't exist, it's from this show called PLEA BARGAIN ADVERTISING
― it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:46 (twelve years ago) link
weak
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
old
― gr8080, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
that's the same comedian who does the puddin' skits i posted on dam,agecontrlolz
― diamonddave85, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHx4H6YrLgY
― am0n, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ffhEailyN8
― am0n, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
rolling is this terrifying thread
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
I WANT ONE
― it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't really notice until recently, but bunch of white guys in a band called "Black Lips" kind of skeeves me out a little?
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
it would be better if they were goth
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
eddie pepitone
― jeff, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
didn't really notice until recently, but bunch of white guys in a band called "Black Lips" kind of skeeves me out a little?
Wasn't there a rap group called "Young Black Men" (or something like that) whose members were all white?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
I think you mean these guys:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Young_Black_Teenagers.jpg
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 07:49 (twelve years ago) link
^^ search: plead the fifth
― misty sensorium (Plasmon), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 08:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://notsoldinstores.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/obama-endorses-bad-boy-furniture/
― I was bored/trolling one day (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 09:26 (twelve years ago) link
^^^Not obviously racist, more of a harmless impersonation...unless you're aware that Bad Boy Furniture is owned by Mel Lastman, former mayor of Toronto, and of his unique attempt to bring the 2008 Olympic Games to the city:
http://sports.ca.msn.com/other/photos/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=25934927&page=4
― I was bored/trolling one day (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 09:41 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gerq4GpHpKw
― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
WASS A MENCH?!
― gr8080, Friday, 13 May 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
"That's why I'm here..." (at your dry cleaning shop)
― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
"You know, so many people in this distri-" "I'M KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
― del griffith, Friday, 13 May 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
Tommy Wiseau directed that political advertisement
― Mordy, Friday, 13 May 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
"Knock knock.""Who's there?""Interrupting Korean.""Interrupting Kore-""I'M KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
― del griffith, Friday, 13 May 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
dying
― it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
'we minorities shld stick 2gether' - some korean
― Pippa's Farce (Lamp), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
racial puppetry in left-wing commercials
― del griffith, Friday, 13 May 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
also not doing much for the 'jewish dudes love azn girls' stereotype
― Pippa's Farce (Lamp), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
"You know, so many people in this distri-""I'M KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
― del griffith, Saturday, 14 May 2011 09:37 (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
utterly losing my shit over this
― handy multi-bicycle parking station from available materials (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 14 May 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
outbursts very much in koreacter
― "I like to wear tops that show my cleavage and show off my ladies," (sic), Saturday, 14 May 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
"I have issues!"
― Rofflellzee (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 14 May 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty certain I know the answer to this, but I'd love to hear what the Elizabethans think.
http://www.jrpmcafee.com/images/Watermelonb.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
all things considered that can isn't nearly as bad as it could be
still back on that ad, tho
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
To be fair, there is another version of the can:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KP13Ae-Ihx0/SqZ2vFL2uKI/AAAAAAAAA_0/CVUwz-amMxI/s400/6a00d83452159069e200e5506d83148833-800wi.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
OMG THAT AD!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://rgh.cc/albums/userpics/10001/Evolution_of_Darkie_Toothpaste.jpg
― THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT DICKERY (dayo), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm wondering exactly how hard dude's wife punched him in the neck after she saw that ad
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
omfg @ Dan Adler commercial
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
IM KOREAN
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT DICKERY (dayo), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
"You're Jewish!""My family is Jewish."
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
ad really delivers maximum wtf per cubic second
dude looks like george clooneyi mo
― THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT DICKERY (dayo), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
iirc darkie isn't considered racist in sth africa for some reason (they have Darkie clothing shops there: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17645356469&_fb_noscript=1)
― 百万个叉烧包 (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqj1tr-Stek
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5222/5600485743_72f44f3c7f.jpg
― Sally Shapiro (from Borough Park) (buzza), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
google image search for "gangsta lean"
― gr8080, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 04:27 (twelve years ago) link
I think South Africa's kinda voided their right to tell me what is or isn't racist.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
I think South Africa's kinda voided their right to tell me what is or isn't racist.― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:16 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:16 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― 百万个叉烧包 (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
(asking "is this racist", not agreeing with it)
― 百万个叉烧包 (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 05:45 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just saying, Apartheid only ended like 15 years ago, I'm sure they have plenty of fucked-up attitudes about what's racist.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
biggest attitude they're dealing with atm is the world still thinking they're all racist
― 百万个叉烧包 (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
If you mark the Fair Housing Act of 1968 as the end of legislated racism in America then South Africa have only been at the whole equality game for half as long as the USA. "American racism only ended like 42 years ago, I'm sure they have plenty of fucked up attitudes about what's racist."
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 06:53 (twelve years ago) link
R.I.P. Racism
― gr8080, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 07:18 (twelve years ago) link
it was a good run
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 07:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/PTfA5.png
― gr8080, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
As for Dan Adler, the Hollywood executive whose ads went viral online with such slogans as "We Minorities Should Stick Together," and "Dan Adler: He Gets Shit Done," with his young son declaring that "my dad gets shit done" -- he got only 285 votes, for 0.5%. It looks like maybe he doesn't "get shit done."
― buzza, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Aw, that's too bad.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
Your search - "judeo-korean hegemony" - did not match any documents.
― buzza, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
cool blog!
http://www.pwsnt.com/
― ̖̱̩̟̣̝͖̯̱͋̂̈́̅͟͝ ̈́͂̌̉͏̶̟͔̹̫̳t̥̮͖͌ͭͦ̂ͩͨ́̐͝͞ (gr8080), Friday, 20 May 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Shocked, shocked, to see someone from Southaven on there.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 20 May 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Aw, pwsnt.com shut down!
― Morley Timmons, Sunday, 26 June 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ozarksunbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/prison_farms.jpg
Official bi-weekly published by the Arkansas Farm Bureau
http://arfb.com/news_information/front-porch/PDF/fpjuly11.pdf
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
(I couldn't find the "rolling 'this is racist!' thread".)
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
bi-monthly, I should've said.
the kicker is "cool watermelon recipes"
that should upset me but I'm am holding back guffaws
― she choots, she pah! (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
URL on the cover is an anagram of www.barf.com
― BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
there doesn't seem to be a single element in that photo that couldn't have existed 50 or 100 yrs ago
― nakhchivan, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
Well, aside from the black prison guard on horseback.
I'm trying to reconcile in my mind the person at the photo shoot who said, "Uh, maybe we should get a black officer on the horse instead of Bubba Stanley," with the designer back at the office who said, Now where are we going to promote the watermelon recipes?
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link
hmmmn yeah maybe
― nakhchivan, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
when did it become legal/normal/etc for prisons to employ black officers
― nakhchivan, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
1992.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/6NDEC.png
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 July 2011 08:51 (twelve years ago) link
rawr
― dayo, Friday, 22 July 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
the coverage of her is full of shit, described as 'power behind the throne' as if rupe was some harmless genial old fuck before his brain was CONTROLLED BY AZN AMAZON WOMAN
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Friday, 22 July 2011 12:29 (twelve years ago) link
Anything to distract attention from hacking phones and blanket media power. Anything at all
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
noticed the front page of telegraph today 'how tiger wives defend their husbands' or something.
― owenf, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8NECjDoves
― chawki (buzza), Saturday, 6 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y-cxdruYQc
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
somehow the idea of a "chicken, ham, and cheese burger" is the most offensive part of that.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
i guess the first question is, "does it look like a chapelle's show skit?"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
in case u missed buzza's youtube from a few days ago before it got taken down, its at the end of this news story about said youtube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ3wD_yQrFY
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
this Asian guy seemed a little "over the edge" (although I actually loved these commercials)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hadvDHyEwE
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/iqANC.png
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
i don't even get what he was even trying to say unless he was just being blatantly racist
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
just a really horribly formed joke?
lol @ moby as arbiter of the genuine
among other things
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
moby is truly the worst
hope he gets gilbert godfrey'd for this
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
well, moby isn't actually doing anything
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
that is a classic example of how Twitter is terrible
you are not talking to your friends in private, you are blasting nonsense out to everyone on Earth
stop it
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
guys hop on my new trending topic: http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23mobyisaracist
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
Seriously, Moby should not be allowed access to a keyboard (computer or musical).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:34 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark
moby was the new aflac duck :-/
― thick-necked and hateful (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
Can't wait to hear his shitty, ill-formed "justification".
"I like black people! Remember that video I did with the fake gold teeth and Gwen Stefani? ... What's that? That's not helping?"
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe Moby's NASA gig in 1992 will be cancelled.
― errant flynn, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:12 (twelve years ago) link
wait...moby is the new aflac duck?
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
yes.
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that's why eminem says "nobody purchases AFLAC" on his single w/ royce da 5' 9" and bruno mars
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
you almost had me until royce da 59
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.solargeneral.com/mirrors/national-vanguard/www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/chirpin.jpg
― errant flynn, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
if you'd said 'buys' instead of 'purchases' . . .
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/oOVzi.png
no, no, no... i wasnt saying its absurd that black women should be in MoMa... i was just saying its so lol that MILLIONAIRE JAY-Z RAPPED ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PROJECTS
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/28/129142655479103091.jpg
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
moby never heard that saying about "when you're in a hole", obv
― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
racist guy just thinking baout things
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/04/28/garden/28moby-span/28moby-span-articleLarge.jpg
― buzza, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
Gr80 when will P4k interview you about ruining Moby's career? lol, good work man!
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
the new hood, i guess.
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
me otm, even though it wasn't quite as great as I hoped it would be... it was still worth seeing him dig a deeper hole
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Very suspicious of folks who address the world as "people."
"Okay, PEOPLE. You misheard me.
"Um, PEOPLE, hello?"
"PEOPLE, U know what I'm sayin."
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
god, what an idiot
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Moby@thelittleidiot why does my <3 feel so sad?
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
i hate to be cap'n save a moby, but i've had lots of convos with dude and everything points to the fact that dude seriously likes rap music. i think he was just making a dumb joke about the subject matter and it came off wrong.
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
When I talk about white supremacy in this context, I am talking about the ability of white people to move further in virtually every sphere of US life due to their whiteness. Do you think it is a coincidence that Moby’s appearance on a recent cover of ‘Wired’ is set against an all-white background with only parts of his face peeking through the monochromatic cover? Why, in a recent issue of the UK magazine, ‘Muzik’, is Moby shown on the cover with a white T-shirt, on a white background, holding a wand that radiates bright white light? These are the representational practices that continually consolidate white supremacy.
One could make the claim that Moby just worked hard, produced a lot of tracks, refined his style, and moved beyond ‘dance music’ to create an entirely new genre. In other words, he was just good at what he did and his talent was recognized. That claim is without merit. Yes, he worked hard and actually made some good rave tracks for Instinct in the early ‘90s. He subsequently moved on and fashioned full-length albums which won him praise. ‘Play’ made the top ten on a number of critics’ year-end lists in 2001. Was this album ‘adventurous’, ‘ground-breaking’, or ‘innovative’? No. There are eighteen-year old artists in the projects of Houston’s 5th Ward who made ‘electronic’ records in the same year so profoundly experimental, their influence won’t be understood for years. (This is the phenomenon of ‘screwed & chopped’ music, which I’ve not the space to talk about yet).
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Moby@thelittleidiot thats when i reach for my revolver
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
guys, his comment can't be racist... whiney has met him!!!
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
You mean
@thelittleidiot that's when I tell her that it's over.
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol oh yeah sorry, good luck usa
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think he tells her that it's over when black people talk about MoMa
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:38 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
lol
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
for someone that loves rap music, he apparently has no idea what jay-z had rapped about since like 2003
he can't be racist… he likes rap music!
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
cap'n pitch-a-fit-over-every-lil-racist-thing-except-when-its-a-famous-musician-youve-had-"convos"-with
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Also, growing up in a small town in the middle of cornfields I can definitively confrom that "liking rap music" and "being racist" are not mutually exclusive.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
"confirm" damnit
a small town in the middle of confirm?
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
that routine's kind of losing its luster, al
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
"kind of"
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't realize it was a routine! i was just joking about the fact that my eyes played tricks on me when i saw jon's correction and then saw there were two words that started with "conf" in the previous post. sorry if you guys think i'm being overly jokey or obnoxious or something, i wasn't trying to be mean or snarky, just off the cuff and silly.
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't think it was snarky or mean, just "kind of" a played out meme on ilx in general.
Anyway, lets focus on the important issue at hand - racist, vegan electronic musicians.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Then you got the Beastie Boys rapping about Boggle. I guess all the frat guys are into puzzle games now? LOL.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
what meme was that? sorry idgi
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.moby.com/journal/2000-10-16/racism.html
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
racism.html
http://www.moby.com/sites/all/themes/destroyed/images/mobydotcom-header.jpg
people who have had convos with moby about rap music
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
Thats a lot of white people, suspect.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know. I think I spot a Malaysian piano in the middle somewhere.
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
Chris Rock says he's not a racist, so I trust him. Dude knows a lot about racism.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
i highly doubt that moby is a racist. but he did say some at least quasi-racist shit in those two tweets.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
well the second one is less racist and more "i have no clue about rap music"
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
eat my ass, am0n
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
would am0n be able to say he's a "convo" with you after this exchange
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
WE GOT A GREAT BIG CONVO ROCKIN THROUGH THE NIGHT
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
though asking Chris Rock "am I racist?" gives me the same feeling as Eminem dueting with Elton John to quell all the "homophobic" talk
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
my dad told me off cos when i was 7 i thought the chorus was "We're gonna drive this fuckin convoy/Cross the USA"
― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
though asking Chris Rock "am I racist?" gives me the same feeling as frogbs IMing calum to quell all the "troll" talk
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.spiritual.com.au/images/prince/Prince_contents.gif + http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_78ZrJuZ3q5g/TBU9YZ0yR4I/AAAAAAAAC4U/DLtKrl7bZIE/s320/skinhead+morons.jpg = http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/130045.jpg
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
dave cool getting pretty butthurt itt
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
fyi, all i was trying to say is that moby was like making sure Nikki D was getting work in 1999 and going out of his way to work with Public Enemy in the '00s, and writes mad royalty checks to Spoonie G, and I'm guessing his relationship with rap music is a little deeper than "LOL BLACK PPL TALKIN BOUT THE HOOD"
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
but please keep trying to suzy me, am0n
i thought moby was black
― michael, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
you're thinking of rog from what's happening
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think you have to be a card-carrying racist to make the occasional clumsy unfunny racially stereotyped tweet
― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
... but it doesn't hurt!
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
(sorry)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2spnSLkYUoQ/SSbaXEb17QI/AAAAAAAAAY0/FDwi1jG0LSg/s400/colonel_klink.jpg
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
Dan i'd already thought of that punchline then i forgot to do it
― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.rockshirtplaza.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/524.jpg
the moby symbol is actually a broken swastika
― I thought that I heard you loling, I thought that I heard you steen (crüt), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (http://www.commentspamcomedy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/clown-sad.jpg), Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:37 PM
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPNceNV5bh8
― I thought that I heard you loling, I thought that I heard you steen (crüt), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
moby: "i don't care if you're black, white, green, blue man group.."
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
even the whale was white
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
is 'oi vey' the kind of music that jewdriver plays?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
xpost LMFAO
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
going out of his way to work with Public Enemy in the '00s
You make it sound like he was doing them a favor.
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
well tbh
― smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
I refuse to post the Custosesque Moby going out of his way to work with Flavor Flav dialogue going on in my head right now.
you're welcome, ilx.
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
to be a fly on the wall
― smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure Eric Clapton's not racist, he's played loads of black people's music
― MoMA said knock you out (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Elvis Costello hangs out in New Orleans and I mean
― smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
did he write mad royalty checks to muddy waters
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Don't invoke my name to justify your petty internecine shit, please.
It's dumb (and ironic) for Moby to josh about rappers in museums or whatever because he's definitely been the rich popstar invited to the art dinner purely because some gallerist or collector thought they were being edgy in 2001. I think he was doing that thing of speaking with complacency because a) he's 45 and b) until this moment he was operating under the misapprehension that he had one of those elusive 'free passes' - in any case it is not an appropriate joke and I'm disappointed.
― murdoch most foul (suzy), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.film-forward.com/boogieman.jpg
― ☝ (am0n), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
why... why are they making those faces
what is the boogie doing to them
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
A charitable interpretation might be that Moby was just musing about how far Jay-Z had come, that rapping about MoMA was the apotheosis of an ongoing trend.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
that is a classic example of how Twitter is terribleyou are not talking to your friends in private, you are blasting nonsense out to everyone on Earthstop it― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
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― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
i've had lots of convos with some dude and everything points to the fact that some dude seriously likes rap music.
― full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
― jaymc, Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:08 PM (1 hour ago)
nahhhhh can't be!
― tine nic (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
"It's over, frizz-head," chanted hundreds of jubilant men and women massed in Green Square, using a mocking nickname of the curly-haired Qaddafi.
too soon?
― tremendoid, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
wait what
― Circlesquare du Soleil (sic), Monday, 22 August 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
It was a stupid analogy based on frogbs being a horrible troll.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link
did this get talked about at all?
http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/nivea-re-civilize-yourself.jpg
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Monday, 22 August 2011 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit
― little mushroom person (abanana), Monday, 22 August 2011 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
yo @ that
― (gr8080), Monday, 22 August 2011 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
more like lolling "is this racist?" if you ask me
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Monday, 22 August 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
― (gr8080), Monday, August 22, 2011 1:55 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Chad Kroeger of Nickelback...in my vagina? (crüt), Monday, 22 August 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.behance.net/gallery/Surf-Whiteness-is-back/1898829
http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles3/216203/projects/1898829/82282d60f1938ad0c412e7ecbb587348.jpg
http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles3/216203/projects/1898829/f3691bb52311ed5e45bcb1a50c933126.jpg
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 August 2011 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
WTF
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 22 August 2011 12:17 (twelve years ago) link
darlie: don't, surf
― joe, Monday, 22 August 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5glCEfLdBPg&feature=related
― (gr8080), Monday, 22 August 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
btw nivea pulled that ad and apologies but yikes
http://www.facebook.com/NIVEAusa/posts/10150269379106295
― (gr8080), Monday, 22 August 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
ladies and gentlemen, australia!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 August 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
The Surf thing is Sth Africa btw.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 August 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
oh alright n/m
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 August 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
guys that eric church song
― (gr8080), Monday, 22 August 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
can i just
yikes
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 22 August 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah woah
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 August 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
if only black ppl would stop their life of crimes and come bale some hay on eric church's farm....real sad, bill cosby was right
hahah otm
― (gr8080), Monday, 22 August 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
A little IM convo I had with my severely misguided co-worker after he sent me this link:http://www.callofduty.com/xp (Kanye going to be performing at some Call of Duty event)
Me: cool
Him: i think it's gay as a french trombone
uh, well ok
not at all what i want to hear at that event
your loss pal, dude knows how to rock a crowd
i guesshe beat a womanthe fact that we place him on a pedestal after that amazes meactually, it disgusts me
what are you talking about?
either way, he was a douche nozzle and acted like a moron on stage with Taylor Swiftso i'm disgusted either way
chris brown was the beaterkanye is just arrogant
so they're both total douches
nah thats another levelthat taylor swift thing was top notchlaughs for days
disrespectful is what it was … just another piece of gutter trash that got money and got famous … zero. class.
GUTTER TRASH?walking a fine line there buddy, learn what your talking aboutGUTTER TRASH!?dude comes from a normal middle class fam
well he still acted like gutter trash and continues to do so in nearly every instance i have seen him on video
he's a pompous pop star, nothing new man
i don't ever recall him doing anything to HELP society …
not like your looking
but i guess the masses will pay money for whatever … doesn't matter the quality of the individual producing it
youve gotta be kidding mecant believe u even make that argument
he's one in a list of thousandsdude, hollywood is FULL of that crap
ya so
you're forgetting, i would happily have california break off into the ocean … the country would be better off … a lot of innocent people would wash away in the process, but the greater good that would come from it would be worth it
― Straight Outta Bill Compton (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
my point is just that we know that the internet is terrible, we don't need it to be solemnly pointed out that people are racist
― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:48 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― schmendrick lamar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
those surf ads are obvious shops right?
― beth (crüt), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's real.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
the text does not line up with the margins of the page and looks like someone just typed it directly on the image
― beth (crüt), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
Those are 100% shops, there's no way the print on the ads would be that crisp and bright when everything else is faded. I mean, has it been that long since you guys have seen a real newspaper?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
ive seen pixels etc
― (gr8080), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/63079.html
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
Okay, at least someone, somewhere along the line must have questioned this article headline, right?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/08/576x324_vickwhite_01.jpg
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
OH MY GOD
how is this guy still around?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
uhhh what exactly is bannable about that in the rolling "Is This Racist?" thread
i'd hate to see what happens to you when you get exposed to any other areas of the internet
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
Its just that you are constantly bringing up race in the worst possible ways. You do know how ridiculous the "but you know if a white guy did this it would be bad, right?" line of argument is right?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
so your defense is basically "just bringing you a lil bit of that 4chan experience, right here on ilx! *winks at the camera*"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
explain the context of vickwhite.jpg to me
― little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
The 4Chan Experience has an EP coming out on XL, right
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5834454/espn-the-magazine-decides-that-michael-vick-is-white-again xp
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs walks up to a random person and hits him in the knee with a tire iron. the person, crumpled on the ground, writhing in pain, looks up at frogbs and says, "WHAT THE FUCK, MAN????". frogbs responds, "jeez, i'd hate to see what happens when you get exposed to the russian mafia"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
more correctly http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/6894586/imagining-michael-vick-white-quarterback-nfl-espn-magazine xp
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
ok, there's no way that's the "worst possible way", that's not even close to the worst thing that can be said about that picture. but yeah that's a pretty standard line of thinking. i thought exploring the differences between how certain races are treated in the media was kinda the point of this thread?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
was posted on ESPN the magazine
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
stop being stupid, why the hell should I defend myself for suggesting there's no way in hell they'd reverse the roles here
Remember that time everyone thought Arnold Schwarzeneggar and Val Kilmer's love child killed his wife and a waiter?
http://thislooksshopped.com/images/simpson_wired.jpg
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not saying that you shouldn't, i'm just saying that defending yourself in any fashion by saying "jeez you must really hate the COMPLETE racist trolls on the internet" is prob not helping your case
xp
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
anyway i don't think we need to go over why blackface is offensive and whiteface is really not, but ymmv
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
my first thought was that that was a manequin of Brian Austin Green in a football uniform
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
no but reacting to something like that with "OH MY GOD HOW ARE YOU STILL HERE" raises a couple of eyebrows and kinda explains why the IA thread is like 500000 posts
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
so exactly where are you drawing the line here. is it offensive to photoshop someone as Chinese, for instance? or just any race but white?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
How is it not 51 yet?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's really too bad you can't sb from zing touch
― Clay, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
jon you really are the worst
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
racial politics are a continuum, there's no "one size fits all" policy. historical power dynamics are involved.
why am I bothering...
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
i...need to stop doing this, but frogbs are you saying that brian austin green mike vick is offensive to white people somehow?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
there is that painful centuries-long tradition of depicting white men with goatees i guess
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
hmm
they BAG'ed Michael Vick
maybe that's what that line in "Bedrock" was talking about?
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
brian austin green mike vick!
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
so exactly where are you drawing the line here.
It's behind you.
― arch midwestern housewife named (Laurel), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs thinks I'm the worst, feel like I should get a badge to wear with pride or something
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
actually I kinda think it may be more offensive to black people
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
okay, then you didn't need to frame it in opposition to blackface
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
racial politics are a continuum, there's no "one size fits all" policy. historical power dynamics are involved.why am I bothering...
well, yeah, I'm just wondering if a national publication bringing up this sort of thing at all is just in bad taste even if the image itself isn't really going to offend anyone. they've already taken it off their website and the author of the article is going nuts on twitter trying to distance himself from it.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I would sb espn the magazine too if I could fwiw
― Clay, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
or like, literally any other message board but this one
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
do you really not get it or do you just like it when people call you stupid? do you not recognize that in every context we'll likely be discussing, white people stand in a position of distinct advantage with respect to power dynamics? do you not see how that renders all your "how come it's offensive this way but not that way?" framings might seem remarkably stupid in light of said dynamics? dude seriously. just go fucking study this stuff someplace. it isn't hard.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
okay, so basically, "its okay to clown people if they have the power advantage over you"
i mean, you do understand that that really wasn't my point at all, and that i'm not arguing that whiteface is offensive to white people for whatever reason. and of course, you can and have taken liberties yourself to try and make me look dumb, but I'm not saying "how does this relate to white people" there at all, I mean I know it sorta ruins your diatribe there but seriously, even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you? i'm saying the idea of photoshopping any race into any other race is something that probably shouldn't be done on a national stage since it really does call these issues to mind and is going to be looked upon poorly even if the general concept of picturing Vick as a white guy isn't going to ruffle any feathers.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, what if frogbs was black.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
Thnk about it.
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:10 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
do you see how if you post the above, your rhetoric sounds a lot like trolling "how come it's only okay to call out racism against black people" stuff, right? add that to your posting history. honestly, your language when you post about race itt is vague and sounds like you're uncomfortable and confused: "certain races" "call these issues to mind" and if you're not trolling, i think aero is right and you should maybe just learn some more.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you?
what dynamic are you referring to here?
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
What if frogbs was black... in my vagina?
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
Do you really want me to go into detail there? If we asked, what if Ichiro was from the Dominican Republic, and then photoshopped him as such, what would the response be? It sounds like racist trolling because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
smdh at frogbs getting into the exact same tizzy every single week and then going all "what? what did I do?"
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
it sounds like racist trolling because it's rhetoric one million racist trolls have employed before
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
It sounds like racist trolling because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think.
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i'm glad that we've entered the full OPEN YOUR EYES, SHEEPLE portion of the thread
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
I can also imagine a world in which giraffes can sing. however, said world doesn't really inform the choices I make in how I express myself, because that world is fantasy-land.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
It isn't just this thread he's been pulling this stuff in either, though. He's managed to hang around surprisingly long.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
aero, you only think that giraffes can't sing because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp - i mean really, does anyone have any arguments other than "you've posted questionable stuff before, therefore we must assume the worst of everything you've posted"?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
send your thanks to the low-content brigade
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
you never have an argument just these pseudoprovocative observations
http://www.ourclassweb.com/projects/webquest_frogs_tongue.jpg
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
open your eyes. also stretch your necks.
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
yes, you're right, ESPN must have just misplaced the .jpg, that's why they took it down
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
seriously frogbs you wanna save yourself some trouble? just take ~absolutely everybody~'s word for it that you don't know what you're talking about when the subject of race comes up. adopt a beginner's mind to the subject. assume that whatever you think, you're wrong, and cheerfully accept the group consensus about it.
or keep up your "racist? I'm just saying!" schtick and get banned again, it really doesn't matter, whatever floats your boat
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
they didn't take it down iirc
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
i meant all your "what if tom brady in blackface" "what if ichiro was dominican" eh? eh? deep thoughts
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
omg PP :-D
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.
this is good advice for lots of things
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
they took it down then put it back up when everyone was like "uh, you can't just pretend that you put up an illustration of michael vick as a white person"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
NEW TOPIC:
This class description is from from the local adult-education center.
In this course, we'll examine the impact of white privilege and how being unaware of that advantage helps perpetuate racism. We'll discuss short readings and share everyday situations in which we did not speak up against racial bias. Using role-plays, we'll develop effective ways to speak up. While this course welcomes everyone, its focus is on the role of white people in dismantling racism and building a just society. Participants will be guided in developing specific plans for challenging racism in their workplace, organizations, communities, or personal circles, and will be encouraged to seek out and develop relationships with people in their lives who can provide support and serve as allies in efforts to address racism. This workshop is participatory, with a variety of inspiring readings, video clips, and activities. Limited to 15.
In the course catalogue, there's a caveat after that copy: "While this class is open to anyone, it is particularly designed to help white people ... " or something like that. I mean, I just don't even know what to ...
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha xp
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
aero - explain in your own words then why the pic was taken down, why it's such a big deal, and why the author tried so hard to distance himself from it. it's not ~absolutely everybody~, it's a selective group of white people with a tendency to make clusterfucks out of non-issues. in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying?
i mean the thread title is "Is This Racist?" isn't it? shouldn't you be calling out every single poster in here if they're not sure?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
The title of the class is WHITE PEOPLE CONFRONTING RACISM
Point missed completely. Well done.
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
lol you're hopeless. "look around the internet, maybe listen to some racists? there are places that don't ban people for racist garbage, go hear what those people have to say!"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://blackfrogmusic.com/pics/sturgis.jpg
― buzza, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
ahh. so it's everyone ELSE who has the problem. deadspin is racist. every sports message board is racist. ESPN is racist. the author of that article was a racist. i think this actually explains a lot of your posts.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
changing the dude's skincolor was always gonna be controversial. race is quite the issue, frogbs. but your arguments here were terrible, and they routinely are, which is why ppl don't like them, and sometimes you.
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Black face is offensive because it was used for several generations to depict ppl as inferior and also because minstrel shows were a smokescreen to appropriate and profit from cultural modes, such as dance and song, that were otherwise too scary.
The long and storied history of whiteface can basically consists of 'White Chicks' to my knowledge and anybody with the remaining privilege attached to being white in this country should probably not bother to be offended or pretend to be offended by that, though I wouldn't necessarily recommend actually paying money to see it.
I understand where you're coming from, frogs, but context is inescapable and pointless provocation is as annoying as pretending not to understand what the fuss is about, so motive is immaterial.
The shop is not great and the writer asked them not to title it 'What if Michael Vick were white?' A little controversy might sell a few more papers, though.
― listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty (Michael White), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Ok - I seriously do know why black face is offensive and why white face is not. My question is, since that's the case, why the hell was such a big deal made out of the image? My guess was that it sort of begs the question, but yeah I guess not
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
I like how you disappeared everybody who's not white from this board too - priceless, classic frogbs
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
also that's not what "begs the question" means you incredibly stupid person
i think if you stopped being aggressive and confused about race and dialed it down to just confused, you'd run into less trouble here, frogbs
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Ok - I seriously do know why black face is offensive and why white face is not
get one history book
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
dont you think for one second that i don't open the WDYLL threads
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
there you go, you finally scored one
My question is, since that's the case, why the hell was such a big deal made out of the image? My guess was that it sort of begs the question, but yeah I guess not
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:55 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth. makes it seem like you don't really have a question/issue/argument, you're just trying to start shit/on a one-man mission to save ilx's soul from the forces of "political correctness" or whatever
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
it is quite telling that nobody's even had a go at the original question here
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
if you count up the ones you didn't get because you're too stupid my score'd be higher but I get how yr condition precludes the math
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
T/F frogbs, you have uttered the phrase "political correctness gone too far" more than once irl.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
This is completely on the money by the way. I sort of feel for u on here frogbs, god knows why. You won't catch me clicking suggest ban for you. And you don't seem a troll or racist to me. But you seem to be crashing in the same car all the bloody time, and when people call you out on it, or even give you a context you don't see because you lack the knowledge about things like this, you become a querulant, highly defensive and foolishly stubborn.
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
you keep shifting what your question is itt for what it's worth.
no, it's always been "does the theoretical reversal of roles here explain why this was such a shitstorm"
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
briefly: historically white people asserted their authority/power over black people by caricaturing/ridiculing/controlling their image in popular culture using a variety of tools, one of which was blackface.
no dynamic wherein the respective roles of black and white people were reversed has ever existed
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
your "original question" was a picture of brian austin green followed by this post:
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
no, it isn't. this is what racists say when they get called on their bullshit: "very interesting that nobody wants to address the question!" it's not interesting to anybody with a brain, though. (I'm glad you think commenters at sports blog count as the fucking intelligentsia though, that's pretty illuminating.) the actual question is "why do you think it's ok to swing in here with racist 'what if the roles were reversed?' garbage?"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.puppetopia.com/giraffe/Info.htm#e
― listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty (Michael White), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
xxp as in, no question but the thread title, and the context on which I am guessing it caused shitstorm
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
guys, let's all take a step back and remember what's really important herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGYDVKNCd4
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
no, this is why you're getting hammered:
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
every sports message board is racist.
pretty much?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not saying they're intelligent, i'm saying cool it on all the low content race whining and make a fucking argument.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool shakey
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
do you not find that statement true, aero?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs do you not see the kernel of "black people are the real racists" within that post?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs i think you're misunderstanding why it was a shitstorm in the first place
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
There's nothing inherently wrong with whiteface or blackface but pretending like the last 500 years haven't happened is nagl, frogs. Do you not see that?
― listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty (Michael White), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
that's what i always think about you, froggie, you're the insists-on-rigorous-argumentation guy
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
no question but the thread title,
okay so your question is "is it racist for ESPN to publish a picture ow Michael Vick in whiteface"? My answer is eh kind of, insofar as (what I assume is) a bunch of non-black people treating a black man's skin color as a source of humor is pretty racist. I can't really fathom why anybody black would think putting Michael Vick in whiteface would be remotely entertaining/worthwhile/of interest to anybody, but hey I could be wrong I guess.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/exploration/expl2000/papers/bell/examples/images/oed1bmod.gif
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
there is no call for anybody to make an argument when you swing in with clueless racist crap - why would anybody bother? you get the sb clicks you crave, everybody else gets to tell you that your racism is a drag, it's win/win
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EY4ZqQ4L18&feature=related
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Guys guys we just aren't "deep" enough to get on his level, what with all of our "low content race whining" and whatnot.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
That's definitely not what I intended, but yeah now I'm starting to understand why you guys are getting so upset.
When I say "a lot of people would have a problem with it", I mean just that with no 'hidden subtext', I mean everyone regardless of race would find that pretty wrong.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
to COURAGEOUSLY address your question: i don't people were clutching their pearls because omg what an offensive image. i think it was mostly "if you're gonna write an article about imagining mike vick as a white person then do what you do, but it's weird, unnecessary and a bit too on the nose to actually photoshop the guy as a white person. nobody needs that, because if we were so inclined we could imagine such a thing in our heads. it seems very trolly."
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
guys just fyi, those of you who're on the fence, stet recoded the board so clicking "sb" next to frogbs's login is just a way of acknowledging that you read his post - he gets a notification about it - his screen name is supposed to remind you to do it but I think some people are forgetting
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
low content race whining is the title of my memoir
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
do ppl really start sbing ppl the minute some shitstorm breaks out?
― little dog (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
I dont think the point was anything to spark controversy, which obviously it hasThe question I guess is why, and my guess would be the whole question of role reversal that inevitably shows up whenever you do something like thisMaybe I'm just wrong on this?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
maybe. maybe you should take the hint from all the (admittedly unnecessary) ad hominems and walk away for now b/c this thread is obviously not going to be a substantive discussion in the way you want.
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
I only sb geir tbh
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
i don't people were clutching their pearls because omg what an offensive image. i think it was mostly "if you're gonna write an article about imagining mike vick as a white person then do what you do, but it's weird, unnecessary and a bit too on the nose to actually photoshop the guy as a white person. nobody needs that, because if we were so inclined we could imagine such a thing in our heads. it seems very trolly."
Yeah I don't want to suggest it's something that's actually offensive, just more a thing where everyone can agree it's kind of in bad taste. Like yeah I don't think anybody's getting all uppity about that and I certainly don't want to suggest that I was.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
The question I guess is why,
I just told you why...? because it's non-black people using a black person's skin color as a source of humor/provocation. which is racist.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
now, a white-person-in-blackface thing would be considerably MORE racist because of, as Michael White notes, the 500 years of history behind the practice
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah there's no such thing as whiteface really; that's why brian austin green's face up there doesn't signify much at all
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
which means "role reversal" doesn't seem like a precise enough description of whatever it is you're trying to get at, frogbs
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
Michael White Vick
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
was that racist
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
well, my idea of it is that if there was no such thing as "blackface", this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal
I think it's the same reason why you wouldn't really see a word like honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine, it's not like any white people could be offended at them , it just opens up another can of worms that doesn't really sit well
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
in my vagina
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
you won't see honky or cracker printed in a derogatory sense in a magazine because those epithets have no weight for the same reason there's no such thing as whiteface.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN FREDDIE GIBBS WAS BOASTING ABT BEING THE FIRST GANGSTA RAPPER SINCE NWA ON THE COVER OF LA WEEKLY, AND SPACEAGEHUSTLE WAS ALL LIKE FOOL U FORGOT ABT BRIAN AUSTIN GREENE
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol i am glad you're back
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, August 26, 2011 12:32 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu216/le_bateau_ivre/klzFO.gif
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
i love that this shit is coming so fast that neither of the following either merited attention as standouts:
in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying? - somehow almost the actual antonym for 'crack open a book why don't you'
&
Like yeah I don't think anybody's getting all uppity about that and I certainly don't want to suggest that I was.
which you know just let's take this in one word at a time and see if we hit any problems along the way
― (Chris Isaak Cover) (schlump), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
i can't tell if he says stuff like "uppity" on purpose or not!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, I noticed that myself and cringed at its ineptitude.
― giraffes have been heard making strange flutelike sounds! (Michael White), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
burn thread
― little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
aw, you guys
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
up·pi·tyadjective /ˈəpətē/
1.Self-important; arrogant
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity" + "black" Advanced searchAbout 1,100,000 results (0.25 seconds)
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity" + "white"About 1,140,000 results (0.23 seconds)
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ya_Gq8d4Q
― Countdown to Alma Cogan (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity black" About 62,800 results (0.19 seconds)
"uppity white" About 21,900 results (0.20 seconds)
― iatee, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
well, that just about proves it
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity negro"About 156,000 results
"uppity asian"About 591 results
― iatee, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
On the first page of Google results for just plain "uppity"
Georgia GOP Congressman Calls Obama 'Uppity'
Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a conservative Republican from Georgia, let slip today what critics have been saying is the subtext of many of the attacks on Barack Obama: He's "uppity."
According to The Hill, a Capitol Hill newspaper, Westmoreland was discussing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's acceptance speech outside the House chamber today when he veered into his thoughts on Michelle and Barack Obama.
"Just from what little I've seen of her and Mister Obama, Senator Obama, they're a member of an elitist class individual that thinks that they're uppity," Westmoreland said.
When a reporter sought clarification on the racially loaded word, Westmoreland replied, "Uppity, yeah."
― bentelec, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
RACIALLY LOADED WORD
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
IN ALL CAPS IN CASE FROGBS MISSED IT
xxxpost
c'mon man i'm trying to believe in the greater frogbs of our nature, don't do that
― little dog (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but what you missed is that Obama is half-white
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
(that's the uppity part)
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://paxarcana.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/scanners40ey4zqad3.gif
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
jeez man
― little dog (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
anigif of David Austin Green's head exploding unavailable, unfortunately
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
it does, actually, is the thing
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
well i had no doubts that you were convinced
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
it sucks because i really thought you had a point before
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
I know only the first one counts, but every time I click "suggest ban" on this racist asshole, it feels good anyway, so I keep right on doing it
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Suggesteban Frogbuttez
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
hey frogbs i just checked my planner and i have a lot of stuff i need to get done on Sept 25th so
― dougie instructor (jjjusten), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://brianaustingreen.fansiter.com/pictures/page1.jpg
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.details.com/images/celebrities-entertainment/movies-and-tv/201010/Wiseguy_brian_green_VArticle.jpg
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
can we talk... http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHrotwPP_f8z-3JRq0Tb4LJF1-pFKpY6DPiCIi4ywWzkrpyREXABOUT RACISM?
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq3d5etvox1qzwt0go1_400.gif
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
you mean blackface...http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/eye-candy-brian-austin-green-6.jpg?w=500&h=629IS RACIST?
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
trolling is this racist thread
― Richter scale? I hardly even knew 'er! (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
trollopping, in fact
frogbs uppity 'opping his way to the sb shop?
― Kanye Borst (Kerm), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
challoppity, good spot
― Richter scale? I hardly even knew 'er! (darraghmac), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
Aero tone it down a bit, you're seriously about to climax all over this thread
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
he's been holding it in for about 20 mins since his last post then, i wouldn't begrudge him it tbh
― Richter scale? I hardly even knew 'er! (darraghmac), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
it's guys who can't conceal how bad you're getting to them that I love best - keep the hits comin', frogbs
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
btw this is germane to the discussion
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/381415911.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1314319898&Signature=W4uaPaQtujw8Bve4JxuUj2O5OjI%3D
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
dog in spacesuit .gif
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/22139_235295889608_548884608_2906571_3156322_n.jpg
REPORTING FOR DUTY
― dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
i meant the orange spacesuit
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
yo moonship every dog in a spacesuit is a special snowflake, wtf
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
what a world
― Kanye Borst (Kerm), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
what if that one dog googles himself and gets to this thread and sees you hating on him - bad look, man
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
that dog lives in my house u bastard
― dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
i call bullshit on that since i am pretty sure you live neither in houston nor cape canaveral
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
anyway i think the more interesting question is what if michael vick had been involved in COCKFIGHTING
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/116604main_image_feature_337a_jw4.jpg
― carne asada...in my vagina? (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
He has a family. Even his important work at NASA can't take that away from him.
― dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/116606main_image_feature_337a_jwfull2.jpg
omg
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
william wegman + metro + public art + spacesuits = relevant 2 this thread somehow
― carne asada...in my vagina? (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
Henry would like to make it clear that he is not a racist btw
― dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
But rottweilers suck and never leave anything in the food dish
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:00 (twelve years ago) link
WOW dude. i have some google results that may intrigue you
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
i remember when frogbs first started posting to ILM i was like hey cool, someone to talk about They Might Be Giants with. now when i see his display name i get "Your Racist Friend" stuck in my head.
― some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
The guy in that picture isn't the real Michael Vick, and what he's doing in that image isn't what we mean by "cockfighting" dude
― dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
all TMBG fans are pretty awkward, what do you expect
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I bet some of them know that "uppity" is kind of a racist dog whistle in a lot of contexts and also don't argue by posting dictionary definitions
― carne asada...in my vagina? (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
To be honest this is literally the first time I've heard that about the word having any kind of racial significanceI mean I know people say that about Obama but I've heard it used in a lot of different contextsLike, it doesn't even make sense to use it in a "racially charged" way in that context
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
yes it does.
― Clay, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of understanding relies on knowing the context #andnowyouknow
― racist astronaut dog whistle (Kerm), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, August 26, 2011 1:33 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
u are like the tuomas of american race relations
― funky house septics (D-40), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
btw I don't get how I get jumped on for arguing by posting dictionary definitions when people are using google result count as an argument, which is possibly the only argument worse than a dictionary definition
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
lol I have literally never been happier to see D-40 arrive to a thread
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
Neither is a great rhetorical tool, that's true. xp
― boxall, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
what the hell are you all doing
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
engaging the poster known as frogbs. why?
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
is google search ok for rebuttal?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
― now I have to imagine your penis ... in my vagina (Karen JP)
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, August 26, 2011 1:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
are u suffering from some form of autism. If someone says "cool!!" do u say "no its hot out!"
― funky house septics (D-40), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
I suppose I really can't throw stones since I stole a frogbs quote for a display name tho
xp: remy no
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
(maybe I should change that name anyway because it is kind of an odd coda to every post I make)
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think maybe
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
never unimagine the penis
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
phantasmagoric castration: it's a thing
― come back to the five and dime remy bean, (remy bean), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
Not sure why this dn just occurred to me but
― Thanafrogbs, by William Cullen Bryant (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
No wait this is better and is a poem I have actually read
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
Into his uppity musings, with a mild And uppity sympathy, that steals away Their uppityness, ere he is aware. When thoughts Of the last uppity hour come like a blight
― come back to the five and dime remy bean, (remy bean), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
aww
are those supposed to be rap lyrics?
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yes.
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
i was wondering. some of those words sound made up.
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
you're the best/worst sock puppet ever
― Mr. Que, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
def funniest today
― racist astronaut dog whistle (Kerm), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
don't let the caul slip, frogbs.
― come back to the five and dime remy bean, (remy bean), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
who wants to start a band with me called Frog Bullshit
― Mr. Que, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, blight is definitely a word. as in, you are a blight upon this message board.
― some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
Be kind and tender to the Frog,And do not call him names,As “Slimy skin,” or “Polly-wog,”Or likewise “Ugly James,”Or “Gap-a-grin,” or “Toad-gone-wrong,”Or “Bill Bandy-knees”:The Frog is justly sensitiveTo epithets like these.No animal will more repayA treatment kind and fair;At least so lonely people sayWho keep a frog (and, by the way,They are extremely rare).
(Hilaire Belloc)
― estela, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, there is another way like he's like tuomas
― buzza, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
hes a chaki sockpuppet?
― funky house septics (D-40), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
test test
― fruogbas (some dude), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
As “Slimy skin,” or “Polly-wog,”
is this racist?
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
No but cf. "gollywog"
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
still not v hilar imo
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
it's not funny at all, but the bit at the end about how frog retention is very rare appealed to me.
― estela, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
i was just punning on hilaire, i <3ed it
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
what a wonderful bird the frog arehe ain't got no sense hardlyhe ain't got no tail hardly eitherwhen he sit he sit on what he ain't gotalmost
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, all these frogbs display names are very funny, but it really is hell on my killfile.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh well that's just shoddy coding, obvs the killfile script should only compare against usernames, not display names
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
At some point in the not-so-distant past, Trent Reznor and his Nine Inch Nails compadres, just for the hellof it, dressed themselves up as Mexicans.http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/agentbedhead/Seven/nineinchmexicans1sm.jpg
― LaMonte, Friday, 26 August 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
first thought washttp://www.e4.com/media/EB207239-F40B-49F6-9F8C-C0A7C4209AAF_extra.jpg
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Friday, 26 August 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
jesus christ
― fruogbas (some dude), Friday, 26 August 2011 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
should have went wirh mariachi costumes u_u
― (gr8080), Friday, 26 August 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
trent la raza amirite
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
those guys look like guys in sunglasses
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
silby's photo is Joey Barton at a fancy dress party, right?
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Friday, 26 August 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link
"I, I am not"
such a perfect and beautiful little NIN phrase
― frogbs, Friday, 26 August 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
okay I finally read the segment of this argument I missed
thank you, all of you, for the painful belly lols
the "uppity" bomb was particularly amazing
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
of all the writers, rappers and assorted others i follow on twitter, Touré was one of only two i had to drop, iirc due to simply being too annoying over time
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
i bet he's real cut up abt it
― zvookster, Friday, 26 August 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/GroverNorquist
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
uh i'm confused, is 'uppity' really racist? /tuomasI'm British btw so please excuse me. We're all uppity here, this guy is our national hero: http://mrmen.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._UppityI mean, he is kind of brown but... ??
― kinder, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity" isn't a racial slur, it's just used as a prefix to racial slurs often enough to carry some pretty unpleasant connotations
― some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
it was used to describe african americans who dared to stand up to degradation
― funky house septics (D-40), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uppity%20nigger
― (gr8080), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
OK. Genuinely surprised I've never heard of that until now.
― kinder, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/GroverNorquist― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, August 26, 2011 12:16 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, August 26, 2011 12:16 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
"3nd Grade"
― (gr8080), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
grammar is for losers.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
buy uppity n***** mugs & shirts
y'know urban dictionary definitely isn't one of the very worst places on the internet but i really think it deserves to be in the conversation more than it is
― some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
In American parlance, uppity is always problematic because it implies that ppl have and should know how to keep 'their place' socially, whether that's due to race or class or sex or any combo thereof.
― giraffes have been heard making strange flutelike sounds! (Michael White), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i was just posting that but m white beat me to it
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 26 August 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
uppity means you're acting above yr station in life
Qantas Airlines gives free Bledisoe Cup tickets to a fan who promised to "dress as Radike Samo, complete with Afro Wig, Aus rugby kit and facepaint."
― FLIP FLOPPING HILL BILLY! (reddening), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:16 (twelve years ago) link
I was thinking of posting this one yeah. Whats interesting about it, is in this case it was done with no malicious intent at all and, importantly, the guy in question said he thought it was awesome and didnt understand what the fuss was all about. They were just dressing up as this specific guy.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:18 (twelve years ago) link
can we unban frogbs, i need his take on this
― (gr8080), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link
australia what minstrel shows we didn't have 'em here we go again
― he's the deej, i'm the hipster (kkvgz), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:23 (twelve years ago) link
Look I cant and wont defend the fact blackface is clearly offensive, but I have to stress it isnt a cultural thing/known about down here. It just isnt. People do not get it. You should see the comments on this issue on newspaper sites here. its like 80% "this wasnt offensive I dont understand why people are upset" comments, even in the left wing papers.
Beyond that I'm not eqipped to argue this issue, tbh (and again, I'm also not defending it either as I fully understand why it is regarded as wrong - but only because of americans telling people tbh!)
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:29 (twelve years ago) link
Trayce, I don't believe that washes anymore. Since the Jackson Jive incident, it's been overwhelmingly clear to the whole of Australia (a) that blackface is not acceptable and (b) why blackface is not acceptable. These guys weren't even doing a vaguely accurate impression of the bloke, they're in shoe polish and fright wigs ffs.
I'm not attacking you at all Trayce, but these guys and Qantas should have known better, and "oh I'm sorry I didn't realise" is not good enough an excuse.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 29 August 2011 09:41 (twelve years ago) link
bntw lack of malicious intent is also off the point because blackface is inherently racist by dint of what it is. It's like, you wouldn't dress up as a paralympian by sitting behind bars in a monkey suit with a "SEE THE ONE-LEGGED FREAK" sign over your head.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 29 August 2011 09:43 (twelve years ago) link
Oh dont get me wrong - Qantas should DEFINITELY have known better. The minute anyone picked that guy's proposal as the winner, PR should have said "oh my god no, this is such a bad idea".
I think australians are very resistant to being told how to think/to PC, and I'm not sure what to think about that really.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:44 (twelve years ago) link
(apart from "this is so embarrasing", obv)
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:46 (twelve years ago) link
so even aussies don't cogh? ;_; The Australian Zeitgeist Tracking Thread
― zvookster, Monday, 29 August 2011 09:47 (twelve years ago) link
FWIW also: "you wouldn't dress up as a paralympian by sitting behind bars in a monkey suit with a "SEE THE ONE-LEGGED FREAK" sign over your head."
I suspect some people here really would, and would vehemently defend their right to sick humour, as well.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 09:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah you're right, they would (and they'd be slammed).
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 29 August 2011 09:54 (twelve years ago) link
but I have to stress it isnt a cultural thing/known about down here. It just isnt.
I've grown up knowing that blackface is weird and gross and retrograde
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Monday, 29 August 2011 10:06 (twelve years ago) link
SHOE POLISH
― (gr8080), Monday, 29 August 2011 10:11 (twelve years ago) link
I havent, I'm ok with being honest about that. Its something I have only learned later in life. And I do remember the B&W Minstrel show and those terrible Goodies skits and etc.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 10:22 (twelve years ago) link
But, now having read back over the frogbs shitstorm upthread I hadnt seen before this got revived I feel icky.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 10:23 (twelve years ago) link
I don't want to sow more ill will between America and Australia. I mean, it's like when Tiger Woods called himself a spaz and Britain got all upset about it because over there spasticism is a physical disability or something and then we were all like "what? fuck you. we're not gonna stop saying spaz."
― he's the deej, i'm the hipster (kkvgz), Monday, 29 August 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link
we just all have to learn to live together in this increasingly smaller world.
now I am intensely curious about what Canada's sensitivity blind spot is
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Monday, 29 August 2011 13:14 (twelve years ago) link
Probably something to do with the Queen
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Monday, 29 August 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
iirc its the montreal wanting to become its own country thing
― D-40, Monday, 29 August 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
I just got an email from an all white band called BLACK PUSSY
― step your 'îron game up, jamie xx (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
they are not sweet
I feel like the acronym "smdh" was invented specifically for ppl like that
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Monday, 29 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
― step your 'îron game up, jamie xx (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 29, 2011 7:54 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
whoa when did the eagles sign brian austin green
― max, Monday, 29 August 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
is it inherently racist to call your white band 'black pussy' though?
Is it?
― Juata Man (darraghmac), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
It's sort of like what jon stewart said during the "macaca" incident
"we don't know what it means but it sure as hell *sounds* racist"
― Do not go gentle into that good frogbs (silby), Monday, 29 August 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Tiger also did a spaz mime that clearly indicated he knew all about the "British" meaning.
We had a thread about it - (Don't) Putting Spaz
― Frimpong iddle I po (onimo), Monday, 29 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
On a livejournal comm I read, some people are incredibly strident about all kinds of words as "abelist" speaking of which. I saw someone get told off the other day for calling someone "dumb", I wish I was joking.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 29 August 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit. i just googled up the original pic with his stance
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/golf/04/13/tiger.comments/p1_tigerputt.jpg
and then i googled up some youtubes of people with cerebral palsy and goddamn if some of them didn't stand like that. but how would tiger know? i still find it hard to believe that it was an intentional jab at people with cp. it just seems too weird that he would use that word to that end.
― kkvgz, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
but then fuck that is an incredibly exaggerated stance.
It's a fine line if you're just dicking around (no offence meant to dicks btw) and stick your legs out weirdly because it feels outlandish, but I suppose if he followed up with "I'm a spazmo" or whatever that doesn't leave a great deal of doubt. Overall he should have known what would happen.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 29 August 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
"ANYONE that says this is Racist. Is a racist"
"If aboriginal dancers paint there faces white (which they do!!), isn't that the same?"
from https://twitter.com/#!/heraldsunreader
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
For the int'l audience, Herald Sun is a Murdoch tabloid (as if that weren't obvious already).
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah dreggiest dregs there, about on par with the Sun.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder where these people exist tho because frankly, I dont personally know ANYONE who'd say something as dumb as "aboriginal dancers paniting their faces white is the same isnt it".
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
I'm related to some of them.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah ok maybe my dad would say it, but mostly cos he's a grumpy shit stirrer.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ was about to post almost the exact same word-for-word thing!
― kinder, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
about my dad not yours, that is
― kinder, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
They would say it out of entitlement and cultural ignorance. Remember how many people there are who think "white aborigines" are faking it for land rights.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
e.g. "bullshit, he's got red hair"
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRZmVMO1Rd8&feature=player_embedded
― thick-necked and hateful (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
actually lol'd at how bad that is
― rockapads, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
Hahahah whaaaat, thats the NEW deus ex? That looks like some shitty mid 90s animation :/
Also lol I misread the action tree as "offer hot beef".
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
how about when white blonde coworkers come back from a third world countries with pictures of themselves surrounded by laughing naked children?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
is that just what's done on safari?
Well, sheeyit!
― ۩ (crüt), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 08:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://thejewtangclan.com/http://i.imgur.com/6rjBx.jpg
― (gr8080), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
Well, I suppose it would be in poor taste for them to request white kids instead.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
poll
Jew PacSnoop Synagoggy GoggDr. DreidelThe Notorious G.O.Y.Ludaknish
― iatee, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
such original puns
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
just fresh, untapped material, this
Disclaimer: Everything said in these songs is a joke. For instance, we do not actually want Mel Gibson to die.
wait, why?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:05 (twelve years ago) link
they'd have to rewrite too much material
― iatee, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
this isn't really racist tho, I mean potentially racist against jews
― iatee, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
i've got nothing
― Mordy, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
and goys I guess
― iatee, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
As Kosher as They Wanna Be was the duo's only successful and popular album, and afterward, 2 Live Jews slipped into obscurity. Yet they made Fiddling With Tradition in 1991, a hip-hop reworking of the 1964 musical Fiddler on the Roof. Fiddling got only minor attention and was not a successful novelty album. 2 Live Jews went on to create Disco Jews in 1994 and Christmas Jews in 1998, before quitting.
In 2005, Moisha and Irving released their greatest hits album, The Worst of 2 Live Jews...the Best of the Shticks.
― buzza, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
its depressing as somalian famine to me that the 2 Live Jews can release like 4 albums and these fucksticks can get together like NO, CLEARLY THERE IS MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THIS
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
lol buzza beat me
yeah this isn't racist, just dumb
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
"snoop synagoggy gogg" is so dumb it is making me giggle.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
Earth Dye (u s steel) wrote this on thread music purchases you made years ago that horrify you now on board I Love Music on Mar 12, 2010
2 Live Jews is great....
― buzza, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
jewess steel
http://clevelandjewishradio.tripod.com/hattitude.html
i wish i could find a copy of this to post for all of you. all the music iirc is from the low end theory
― Mordy, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
Fiddling got only minor attention and was not a successful novelty album.
can't even imagine how low the bar is set to be an unsuccessful novelty album
― I DIED, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Fart-Lovers-Yoopers/dp/B0001FGBCA
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 06:41 (twelve years ago) link
Ok so the WWE have started calling babyface Sheamus 'Great White Sheamus'* to fued angry black man Mark Henry. It is about as awkward as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1o82BVKFp8
*because he is really pale, and I guess it kind of sounds like Great White Shark
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
he is very pale tbf
― Juata Man (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
xx-post
5.0 out of 5 stars I Laffed so hard I tink I sitt myself, October 13, 2005By Yooperman - See all my reviewsThis review is from: Songs for Fart Lovers (Audio CD)Dis iz da funniest fing I have ever heard in years, & I can really relate to dis cuz I love blowin' gas, & I even blow farts whilst listenin' to dis. Tunes such as "Chubby Club", "You're My Favorite Turd", "Pucker & Smell", "Squishy Underwear", "I'm a Lonely Toilet", "A Fart Can Be a Friend", "Diarrhea '03" & sketches such as "Carl Needs a new Rod" (If you fard near a blind person at a bait shop, you'll get da joke) & "Duel at Del Santo's" (very remeniscent of da famous late-'40's UK gem, "The Farting Contest") are so funny dat I laffed so hard I tink I sitt myself!!I've been a Yooper fan since high school & dis a great addition to my collection!
O_O
― thick-necked and hateful (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
My grandparents had a few Yoopers records, but I had no idea they did brown material. : \
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
The Thriller poll reminded me of this scene from David Lee Roth's ''Just A Gigolo'' video.
It's definitely one of those moments that didn't seem so bad at the time, but now in 2011 is making me go "wait a goddam minute."
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
Man, OTM. How did I never pick up on that?!
It's especially awful considering how like, 12 months earlier, MJ's label had to essentially threaten to pull their entire catalog unless MTV played a black artist. Bad look, Dave.
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsC7oEjCHAM
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
name instances in which the "it's okay to make racist jokes if we just go after everybody equally" tactic has been pulled off successfully.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
South Park?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
Good grief, man.
I remember all the zany skits with the old people walking funny and the guy going "Fuggidaboutit, Dave!", but that's something else.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
I mean not sure I'd consider that one 100% successful, but that seems to have been thier frequent defense over the years.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
WHOA NO, THE CUTTLEFISH IS ABOUT TO COME OUT OF MY ASSHOOOOO
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Don Rickles, obv
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
'All white and … kinda cool'Midshipmen storm chasers fly into hurricane
― esteenban HOOTez (kkvgz), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
is there a rolling "is this racist?" thread NSFW edition
or can we generally assume that a vast majority of interracial porn is racist and save me the trouble of posting links
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
Cream of Wheat dude seemed pretty chill.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
cream of wheat dude is not a porn thing.
― notorious ilx wet noodle (remy bean), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
oh? Let me just pull that clip up here at work and see what happens.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
wait don't do that
― notorious ilx wet noodle (remy bean), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
once, when i was very high, i wandered into a supermarket and asked if aunt jemima and uncle ben were married, and whose aunt and uncle they were, anyway. it was an armenian supermarket, and nobody knew.
Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure that Healthy Choice's "Asian-styled" dinners are called that only because they include rice.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Meh, they're 'Asian inspired'. All their food is 'inspired' by real food and then blandized.
― like preggers, it's all in there (Michael White), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Frozen chicken in a tub: Green labelFrozen chicken in a tub with rice: Orange Asian Inspired!
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Pro tip: California, Cambodia and Vietnamese rice crops of spring/summer 2011 are extremely high in yield and even higher in quality. If you're into jasmine, stock up.
― notorious ilx wet noodle (remy bean), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Frozen chicken in a tub w/pasta: Tuscan!
― like preggers, it's all in there (Michael White), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
remy I thought california grew cal rose primarily?
― dayo, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
It does, D. I meant that all rice was very available and good, and especially jasmine (because I like it). Prices are pretty wild, though –– a 50 lb. now costs something like $12- 15 dollars more a bag, on average, than a year ago. And with a good crop!?
― notorious ilx wet noodle (remy bean), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
inflation, man
been looking for broken rice, but not sure where to look
― dayo, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
just drop some regular rice on the floor
― max, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqttybc6KO1qdya4eo1_500.jpg
― max, Thursday, 1 September 2011 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqm0grQbnm1r100hvo1_500.jpg
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
i loled
― (gr8080), Thursday, 1 September 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5837054/http://deadspin.com/5837054/http://deadspin.com/5837054/http://deadspin.com/5837054/http://deadspin.com/5837054/http://deadspin.com/5837054/
― (gr8080), Friday, 2 September 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHbcgo1ZkyI
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
― (gr8080), Friday, September 2, 2011 12:52 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― (gr8080), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://jezebel.com/5843637/college-republicans-express-white-mens-oppression-through-bake-sale
I mean, to try that in this day and age, you really have to hand it to them
― dayo, Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
if they were really accurate they would charge asians $2.50
― dayo, Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
def A for effort there
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
i mean you'd have to imagine that the college republicans at berkley have really had to hone their trolling skills
I'm just imagining david spade in PCU
― dayo, Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
isnt this something that college republicans do every year?
― max, Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
hopefully I wld like some cheap cupcakes
― dayo, Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001779438_bakesale31m.html
― dayo, Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
Are those prices based on some "data" email forwards or something, or are they a just a reflection of the hierarchy of races in the mind of the college republican?
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I dunno why this particular attempt is getting press, think it's just cause it got the right web press
― iatee, Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
er press press press
being a republican in berkeley already makes you a troll, you don't really have to do anything
― iatee, Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
the UCLA chick who made that video about asians in the library needs to step her game up
― een, Sunday, 25 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of wonder to what degree these people understand their own opinions. It sound like a terrible thing to say, but they never seem to understand the consequences etc. of such a view.
― redflammelwaving warwife (dowd), Sunday, 25 September 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting comments on the Melb Age article on this event.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-students-spark-race-row-with-bake-sale-20110926-1ks2f.html
Normally, you see Aussies defending crappy racist "jokes" and whatever esp in newspaper comments, but curiously in this one most people are angry about it, and one lone voice of (embarrasingly nasty) dissent is a white woman claiming to be from NYC.
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 26 September 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
No wonder the United States has lost it's hegemony in advanced education. They've been dumbing down the Universities and school system for the best part of 50 years now - as we have in Australia. The whole system has been devalued with this political correctness idea that no-one should get an "F" and thus we have the situation where 16 year-old are learning the maths I'd mastered in 3rd Grade.
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Monday, 26 September 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
I should have made it clearer there are one or two aus dickheads on there too (lol "Reg")
― Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Monday, 26 September 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
What does this have to do with racism?
― badg, Monday, 26 September 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
Haha oh right it's a comment from the article, I thought it looked weird
― badg, Monday, 26 September 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
you have lost you'r hegemony in comprehension
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Monday, 26 September 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
it is worth noting that the UC system does have not (de jure) affirmative action (there is a little bit of de facto.) so this is an affirmative action protest at a school where most of the black people are there out of sportsffirmative action - pretty sure most of the BCR are fine with the football team.
― iatee, Monday, 26 September 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
yeah not really sure what they're protesting tbh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209_(1996)
― dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
The bake sale, run by the Berkeley College Republicans, was created in reaction to SB 185, a bill currently being considered by Gov. Jerry Brown, which would authorize California public universities to consider race, gender, ethnicity, and national/geographic origin in the admissions process.
― Kerm, Monday, 26 September 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
no, they do it regularly
― iatee, Monday, 26 September 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://clutterinclarityout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/jerry-brown.jpgshould consider eyebrow magnificence in the electoral process
― remy bean, Monday, 26 September 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
hmmmm, this is a toughie
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/associated-press-transcription-obama-cbc-speech-racist-173438340.html
Via the AP version:"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."Hunter called the AP's version "inherently racist," sparring with New Republic contributing editor and noted linguistics expert John McWhorter, who argued the g-less version "is actually the correct one," noting that the president's victory in the 2008 election was due, in part, to how effortlessly "he can switch into that (black) dialect."Whatever the reason, Hunter found it offensive. "I teach a journalism class, and I tell my students to fix people's grammar, because you don't want them to sound ignorant," she said. "For them to do that, it's code, and I don't like it."It's worth noting that the same sorts of arguments arose during George W. Bush's presidency, with the White House cleaning up the president's speeches to make him sound smarter, and news outlets sometimes not doing so.According to Mark Smith, the AP reporter who filed the story, Obama was making a point by dropping his g's, making the transcription a no-brainer.
"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."
Hunter called the AP's version "inherently racist," sparring with New Republic contributing editor and noted linguistics expert John McWhorter, who argued the g-less version "is actually the correct one," noting that the president's victory in the 2008 election was due, in part, to how effortlessly "he can switch into that (black) dialect."
Whatever the reason, Hunter found it offensive. "I teach a journalism class, and I tell my students to fix people's grammar, because you don't want them to sound ignorant," she said. "For them to do that, it's code, and I don't like it."
It's worth noting that the same sorts of arguments arose during George W. Bush's presidency, with the White House cleaning up the president's speeches to make him sound smarter, and news outlets sometimes not doing so.
According to Mark Smith, the AP reporter who filed the story, Obama was making a point by dropping his g's, making the transcription a no-brainer.
― frogbs, Monday, 26 September 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it's that tough. Whatever McWhorter's politics (he's a slightly left-leaning centrist who voted for Obama, who unfortunately also sometimes plays a right wing hack on tv), I think he's a fair-minded, middle-of-the-road linguist.
― bamcquern, Monday, 26 September 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think that dialect is necessarily black and I'm kind of wondering if that was the real context McWhorter's quote was in!
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Monday, 26 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's why I posted it here. personally I don't think this is anything but most of the posters on this board are a little more sensitive than I am on those issues
― frogbs, Monday, 26 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
But yeah, it is not anything. More of a journalistic accuracy in quoting debate than anything.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Monday, 26 September 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Despite the outcry, organizers said the sale would go forward unless they were threatened with physical violence. Mr. Lewis said Republican groups from nearby colleges — including the University of California, Davis; California State University, Sacramento; and Saint Mary’s College of California — had called to say they were sending carloads of supporters to the bake sale.
oh my god...they're multiplying
― dayo, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5peC9wFu64w
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/joelherrick/obama%20fried%20chicken.jpg
I would guess there's a 1% chance your average chinese person knows about the stereotype
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
Is this racist?
― crutbeef (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
yep
― dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
isn't China the place where they made & sold Darkie Toothpaste until about a decade ago?
― pork tartare (Eisbaer), Monday, 3 October 2011 05:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4ebKDFxiia8/TPfyKmogVdI/AAAAAAAAIn4/UQnLLwPdwHU/s1600/darlie.jpg
actually, it was Taiwan.
― pork tartare (Eisbaer), Monday, 3 October 2011 05:35 (twelve years ago) link
same difference
― (╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Monday, 3 October 2011 10:34 (twelve years ago) link
WTF why is Barack Obama making Asian stereotype face? I mean with the squinty eyes and mongoloid expression.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners), Monday, 3 October 2011 10:52 (twelve years ago) link
Also that changed toothpaste is still offensive to me, it reminds me of when white people could barely deal with Lena Horne.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners), Monday, 3 October 2011 10:53 (twelve years ago) link
Was watching this great video of Quincy and Herbie fooling around with a Fairlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6QsusDS_8A
But then was o_O at the question at 5:20. Is this racist?
― ste throkes (Ówen P.), Monday, 10 October 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, it's 5:05 or so. Don't skip ahead! Great video!
― ste throkes (Ówen P.), Monday, 10 October 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
That was an awesome video.
The question itself could have been phrased better, especially since it almost sounded like a contrast was being made between "sophisticated" and "African". It certainly doesn't seem like that was the intent and Herbie gave a great response to it nonetheless.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 10 October 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/RrIk7.png
― dayo, Saturday, 22 October 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
was at a kid's bday party last week where there was facepainting, one little (white) boy insisted that he wanted to be facepainted as a "ninja" so the facepainter tried to oblige by painting his entire face black. you can imagine what the end result looked like. the parent was sort of mortified/afraid to walk home without washing it off. kid was completely oblivious (obviously).
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
the facepainter could have just given him a TMNT mask
― dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
"After Obama shook hands and chatted with a young African American boy who looked to be about 10, and then moved on, the boy turned to the white man he was dining with and said, 'I’m never going to wash my hand again.' "
From:Obama L.A. visit: President makes unscheduled stop at Rosco's Chicken and Waffleshttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/obama-roscoes-west-la.html
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
tbh I thought this was a better candidate for this thread:
ALSO:Man in gorilla mask and carrying stun gun robs taco stand
Man in gorilla mask and carrying stun gun robs taco stand
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
― ste throkes (Ówen P.), Monday, 10 October 2011
herbie's response is used as the start of this (excellent) Aybee mix for lwe
http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/podcast/lwe-podcast-101-aybee/
― post, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/notokay-avatar.png
― pplains, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry, meant to post that to the blueface thread.
― pplains, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
I don't care if you're black, white, purple, or blue.
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
New Black Keys video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_426RiwST8#!
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
well, i mean just look at their name
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
no need to point out alicia's race
I'm going to go with "not racist" for that one. Do you feel that the man is somehow demeaned by the video?
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
I would dance to that song
― dayo, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhkpR1NoEmY
― nakhchivan, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
I'm going to go with "not racist" for that one. Do you feel that the man is somehow demeaned by the video?― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, October 28, 2011 1:10 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, October 28, 2011 1:10 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think the Tim&Eric/BlackKeys aesthetic of "tap dance for us, peculiar black man" is p fucking suspect, which is why i ask, "Is this racist?"
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much everything painted in the Tim & Eric aesthetic is suspect, which is why the stuff that works is so amazing and the stuff that doesn't is so unbearable
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
"tap dance for us, peculiar black man"
there is no tap dancing in that Black Keys video. if anything, the guy is doing the dance that every white guy in 80s teen sex comedies used to do
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
y'know, the "running in place" thing. overbite optional.
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
hey shakey let me introduce you to the concept of figurative speech,
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
is "peculiar" figurative too cuz I don't see anything peculiar about that guy
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
he does appear to be actually black
the thing that strikes me is that they've got a video of a black man dancing vaguely like Carlton Banks as a video for a song called "Lonely Boy"; that definitely registers as "sketchy"
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
is whiney racist for finding that black man to be peculiar?
― dayo, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
his dancing is peculiar, white or black
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
now I'm gonna feel weird every time I lol @ Carlton dancing
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
that sort of 'droll' 'deadpan' 'mnml' video aesthetic, if it is of a sort, is really terrible regardless of whether the incongrously terpsichorean figure-of-fun is white, purple or even black
― nakhchivan, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
I don't see what the Lonely Boy title has to do with it...?
kinda more inclined to agree with nakhchivan
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
you know white people used to demean and degrade black men by always referring to them as "boy", right
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
it is not nearly as bad as if the song had been called "Lonely Jungle Bunny" but it's near that territory
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 28, 2011 1:50 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't know anything about their aesthetic. Do they do this often?
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
I'm totally seeing Dan's point about "boy" though.
"I was cast as an extra, and there were maybe six or seven other people who were supposedly going to be in the video. ... I was the first one to perform in the video. It was a motel shot where the guys from the Black Keys come and give me the keys to their motel room," he said. "The director just sort of noticed me dancing and asked me, 'Can you perform?' I said, 'I can dance, anybody can dance,' so I took some moves from everybody: John Travolta from 'Saturday Night Fever' and 'Pulp Fiction,' the Carlton Banks dance from 'The Fresh Prince' and a little bit of Michael Jackson, so it was a smorgasbord of everybody in there.
"It was just a spur-of-the-moment thing," Tuggle added. "My acting teacher Mark McPherson, he has us do this thing before we start class called 'Song and Dance,' where he'll have us sing one of our favorite songs, and then while we're singing it, he'll have us do a crazy dance, or a sexy dance, and I guess it spawned from that."
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
I agree that this video is "suspect" but at the same time I also assume the "boy" thing is an unfortunate oversight rather than an intentional thing. a lot of young white folx don't know that connotation of "boy."
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Are there racist aspects to this video too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NXkM8PsPXs
Not even so much to the black performers or "Prince", but to the Latino get-ups some of the singers put on.
The thing that makes me uncomfortable about "Lonely Boy" is that it lingers for the entire video on that one dude. You start thinking about why he's doing this, how he knows the words, why is he in front of a motel lobby. His race is an aspect of that big picture too.
― pplains, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
pplains, that is the first thing I thought of when I saw the black keys video.
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
I agree with crut
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
tap dance for me, peculiar John Goodman.
― pplains, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
(a large reason why it reads as "sketchy" and not "wrong" is because it seems like an unfortunate juxtaposition rather than an intentional choice)
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
But the Black Keys are from Atlanta. I mean, you'd think that as southerners they would be pretty aware of the connotation.
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
They weren't even aware of Andrew Gold, apparently.
― pplains, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
lol I am from Atlanta and I think I mostly learned about the "boy" thing from ILX
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
The 'boy' aspect is the only thing I find troublesome, really. But I do agree with crüt, it's almost certainly an oversight.
― emil.y, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
youtube page says that video was directed by Jesse Dylan.. as in son of Bob?
― Kerm, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
okay the "boy" thing didn't occur to me immediately but yeah fair point
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
But the Black Keys are from Atlanta.
By Atlanta do you mean Akron, OH?
― Food! Trends! Men! Hate! (Phil D.), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Akranta
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
he was thinking of the Black Lips or the Black Crowes
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
Look, Ohio has so little going on for us right now. Don't take away our bands!
― Food! Trends! Men! Hate! (Phil D.), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
We need to put them all where we can keep track of them.
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
especially the boy bands.
― pplains, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/6fCE1.jpg
― dayo, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
That's dope as hell below the neck.
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
i see this tanning chain around in the suburbs, feels racist to me but maybe it's not?
http://media.merchantcircle.com/13506583/Logo%20Stacked%202005%20HR_full.jpeg
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 October 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
that's toeing some sort of line certainly
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
wd like to point out re: "latino get-ups" in the talking heads video that it is taken from true stories, which is set in small-town texas. most of the "latino" clothing in the video just looks like normal western wear to me (which obv has hispanic influence).
― 1staethyr, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
I heart that wacky "Chinese" font
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
here's a good article about "ethnic type" (as in fonts), including chop suey/"chinesey" fonts: http://www.printmag.com/Article/Stereo_Types
― 1staethyr, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome!
This week I went to a Chinese-themed bar with all Asian-ethnic employees, full of signs with that Chinesey font but with words in pinyin! So stuff like "NI HAO" and "XIE XIE", but written in chop suey. Clear did my head in.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
id say the black keys thing is suspect since youre looking at a white band that plays to largely white audiences using a black man to sell their product to white people on his public dancing of which their is a long tradition of that sort of thing. the weird racial issue abt it feels obvious
i agree w/ crut about 'boy' likely not hitting them, but it does feel like his race is tied up in the 'interesting'-ness of the video i guess you could say
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Friday, 4 November 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
oh, Katie....
http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2011/11/dont-worry-katie.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roiphe/2011/11/the_99_percent_takes_over_brooklyn.html
(tho not racism-related, I really like Glenn Kenny's concluding story about Carly Simon's sister)
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5856541/texas-legislator-tells-insurance-companies-to-stop-jewing-his-constituents
yes, yes it is
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 November 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
I am totally reporting that guy to the Elders of Zion. He'll be out of a job within the week.
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Man he's gonna feel so gypped.
― pplains, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
The "gypped" thing... I have no idea how it got introduced to American slang, but it's unfortunate. I don't think I've ever encountered more than three or four people who knew its source.
Now, the dude I went to college with who was kind of a shlubby middle-american type who said something about how "he jewed me out of five dollars," on the other hand, kind of got knee-jerk punched by me. It was some sort of automatic reaction I didn't even know I had. And you know what? He had NEVER REALIZED THE CONNECTION. Like he had no idea it was racist.
I think Texas dude is probably utterly clueless but he should fucking know better. Since he's in an elected position.
― mh, Friday, 4 November 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5711841&ct=7167457
― enchilada sauce (get bent), Friday, 4 November 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
xp: I know I was saying gypped from elementary school until I reached college and made a friend of Romani ancestry who told me about it. He was pretty forgiving about it, but I did stop using it.
― rustic italian flatbread, Saturday, 5 November 2011 09:28 (twelve years ago) link
man I never made the gypped/gypsy connection till now. whoops.
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Saturday, 5 November 2011 09:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i always thought of it as 'jipped' even if i'd only really heard it spoken and not read or wrote it out
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Saturday, 5 November 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think the majority of people in the US really have absolutely no idea, what with it being more of a notional idea. I had to correct a friend who was leading kind of a wandering lifestyle as she said something about 'being somewhat of a gypsy." I think I volunteered "nomad."
― mh, Saturday, 5 November 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
is it me or do Asian epithets seem to go by more and more these days without reprisal? just seems how a lot of people in this area have deemed it acceptable territory........
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 November 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of the asian-american kids I know make asian jokes to the point where I get uncomfortable
― Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Saturday, 5 November 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
wayneandwax wayne marshall did one of my students really write "black face menstrual shows"? #yikes #hopethatwasautocorrect3 minutes ago
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 November 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think more Americans probably connect "gypsy" with the notion of Stevie Nicks than they would with any ethnic group.
― rustic italian flatbread, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
As in the common colloquial phrase, "I really feel Stevie Nicksed on that deal"
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
signs you're spending too much time on ilx
― iatee, Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
No but really, I bet there's a bunch of people think that "gypsy" is a lifestyle choice or something.
― rustic italian flatbread, Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
im a gypsy rasta, dont h8
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Anti-Roma hatred, even among 'enlightened leftists' in Britain, is the last acceptable bigotry.
― trapdoor fucking spiders (dowd), Saturday, 5 November 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkkC9cK8Hz0
top rated comment:
can't wait for the english version to come out!
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― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Saturday, 5 November 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
Idk just listened to that for the first time, more than half of the lyrics pass me by, I can't hear what he's saying. I know nothing about his "flow" or image, if he's difficult to understand more often that youtube comment seems like an innocent pun to me?
― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
It's the edited version so 30% of the words are missing, rendering it unintelligible. Not sure that was what the commenter was getting at though. Maybe they mean a version where the main basketball metaphor is replaced by one from netball or field hockey.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
u need to lulienlaluna if they are a racist
― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
in america there's this idea that anything that isn't proper white person english isn't english
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
u need to ask them if they are american too
i would guess they were from the land of big bottom birds judged by that comment btw
― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
the english versioun
― despite all my rage I am still just a Latter Day Saint (Abbbottt), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://shop.lululemon.com/products/clothes-accessories/men-tops/Pacific-Run-Long-Sleeve-28632?cc=9547&skuId=3431023&catId=men-tops
Check out the different colour options for this shirt...
― Tuomas, Friday, 18 November 2011 08:34 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, kinda racist that they use a black guy to model a black shirt when they don't use a plum heathered dark slate wee stripe guy to model a plum heathered dark slate wee stripe shirt
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 18 November 2011 09:51 (twelve years ago) link
"once our internal temperature heats up"
^ take it to the grammar thread
― next thing she's shaving my skrillex (NickB), Friday, 18 November 2011 09:54 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure if it's racist, I just thought it was an odd choice to have the same white model for the other three colours, but when you click "black" you get a black model.
― Tuomas, Friday, 18 November 2011 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
It's ill advised I think
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 18 November 2011 09:59 (twelve years ago) link
What's weird is that the "black" shirt worn by the black man isn't actually black! It's more grey isn't it?
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 November 2011 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
it's lighter than the other grey shirt!
― crüt, Friday, 18 November 2011 11:11 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it's weird the other two grey shirts are called "dark slate heathered dark slate classic stripe" and "black herringbone", but that one is just "black" (instead of "black TV static" or whatever would be appropriate). That's why it feels like some ill-thought joke.
― Tuomas, Friday, 18 November 2011 12:22 (twelve years ago) link
surprisingly and worryingly true in Ireland as well. When EU enlargement happened in 2002 or whenever, news people considered it perfectly reasonable to ask ministers whether this would mean that Ireland would be flooded by Roma.
More recently a prominent commentator and moron in one of our more reprehensible newspapers has been ranting about how his area of Dublin has been taken over by Roma beggars. Apparently there were no beggars in Ireland before Roma immigration.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
come come there's lots of acceptable bigotries in ireland!
― ₪_₪ (darraghmac), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
thought the revive was going to be about this
http://www.racialicious.com/2011/11/15/yes-there-are-black-people-in-your-hunger-games-the-strange-case-of-rue-cinna/
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6031/6345630935_451525e36c.jpg
― am0n, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
wow I hate ppl
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
(just saying wht everyone is thinking)
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
i thought it'd be about terry/suarez/blatter
― ₪_₪ (darraghmac), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
the reaction to the lenny kravitz casting makes me hate people, but the reaction to the rue casting is mindboggling. she's very clearly black in the book.
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6054/6345681315_f615461e93.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6036/6345681325_e35948c511.jpg
― am0n, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
"Ew,"
does hollywood actress or not?!!!!!!
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
?!... ?!!!!!!
― am0n, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
just saying wht everyone is thinking?!?!?!?!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
dying at the number of people who have no clue who lenny kravitz is either, definitely this is young adult fiction
― max, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
"white, sweet and loving as a man"
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
wait lenny kravitz is black
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
"this guy is not cute at all!" o_O
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
what is hunger games is it like twilight
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
not thinking lenny kravitz is attractive is like the #1 sign that u are hella racist
― max, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the "sweet and loving" thing is insane, but that girl's words seem chosen at random.
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
Hunger Games is like Battle Royale
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
hunger games is a YA dystopian trilogy that is not entirely dissimilar to twilight
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't read it, but I was led to understand it was less pathetic and more bloodthirsty, like a toned down Battle Royale
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, November 18, 2011 1:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol i just read the hunger games wiki all why are there one million things w/this exact plot so dumb, but then i was like wait battle royale is the best movie
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
battle royale was only ok
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
tbf, Lenny Kravitz does have a nose.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Sulla_Glyptothek_Munich_309.jpg/393px-Sulla_Glyptothek_Munich_309.jpg
― pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
and pupils (though somewhat dilated.)
― pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoYzcbhE-w8
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, November 18, 2011 1:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
pffft pffft post
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
I never saw the Battle Royale movie but the book was SUPER ENTHRALLING
I've been avoiding The Hunger Games because I wasn't sure I wanted to read Battle Royale Lite; having them linked more directly to Twilight is even more of a turn-off
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
the movie is great dan u should watch it!
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
I actually wanted to start a thread for a serious discussion about "movies that should've been video games" but then I realized that I don't really care about the thoughts people really have about either I just like interacting with them
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
i like the books, with some reservations. the way they're like twilight is the way a lot of ya books about a girl are like twilight: there's a love triangle. they're a lot better than twilight, like almost everything in the world.
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
TUOMAS OTM
very good find
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
I am a racist so if there are any other racists around we can just have the vid game/movie discussion in this thread and it'll be on topic
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Friday, November 18, 2011 6:09 PM (17 minutes ago)
true true
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
max went gay just to prove hes not racist smh
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
'ringtone' is the preferred term
― max, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Lenny Kravitz apparently an apostate Jew, I think I am racist against him now
― ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
OK, I didn't realize this, but I've only read the first one.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
she's only in the first one! i guess people sort of skim YA sometimes. district 12 is evocative of Reconstruction-era south black sharecroppers. district 11 is reminiscent of Appalachian coal miners.
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
I never know when people are supposed to be black in books unless the book says "this character is black". "Dark skin" doesn't register for me as "this character is some sort of futuristic black person".
Haven't read hunger games
― ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
district 9 is an apartheid allegory
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
i do watch books like a hawk for race markers
― horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol shut up jho i am clearly invested in the hunger games for some reason
do you even realize what an amazing joke i made, do you?!!
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
I have never heard of Hunger Games.
― crüt, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
But I'm still appalled that there are black characters.
gonna do a phd on this brb
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
recently saw a glenn ligon exhibition and holy shit the white people who were walking around and looking at the work and talking about all of it were just so fuckin racist, I mean museum chatter is prob some of my fav shit to overhear in the world but I was leaving rooms just to get away from people
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 November 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
why you gotta bring markers into this
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
so this isn't about romans.
― pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
Well, yes, here too. I meant acceptable amongst liberals/leftists who would oppose any other kind of prejudice. People here who would oppose any other kind of prejudice or racist language are more than happy to complain about 'gypos' or 'tinks' etc.
― sleep daphnia (dowd), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
*masturbates furiously to pic of lenny kravitz, rids self of last vestiges of racism*
― I gave your mom morgellons (buzza), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.baltimoremd.com/images/anim/eyes.gif
― am0n, Friday, 18 November 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
the movie is pretty good, the book is better. I have no interest in Hunger Games, sounds like a stupid ripoff designed to appeal to um people other than me.
I was kinda shocked to see Battle Royale in a children's book store the other day. Like, really this is appropriate for 12 yo or whatever? (tbf it was on the same shelf as Tolkien/LOTR) I guess I read some gnarly shit when I was 12, I just remember this book being particularly brutal...
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 November 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/jWkZ0.jpg
― dayo, Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
Racism isn't even the biggest problem I have with that.
― ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
yah it begins sarcastically and then is plainly moralistic, that sort of stylistic miscegenation suggests the internet isn't even trying to raise its young content farmers
― The Triumph of the Will High (nakhchivan), Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol all the guys taking cell phone pix
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
maybe she has a hilarious tramp stamp
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
one guy has the im totally gonna put this on my tumblr look in his eyes
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
i got your dam district 9 joke, icey
― horseshoe, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
~7 hours later~
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
haha i am shaking my fist irl
― horseshoe, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
thanking u
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
she's only in the first one!
Oh, duh. :)
i guess people sort of skim YA sometimes.
Possibly true.
district 12 is evocative of Reconstruction-era south black sharecroppers. district 11 is reminiscent of Appalachian coal miners.
I think you have these reversed?
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
yes, you are right
― horseshoe, Saturday, 19 November 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
district 12 has enough references to the pale merchant families and the darker seam families for there to be a few theories about katniss's background/appearance. also, the lyrics to the hanging tree also seem to reference lynching: http://thehungergames.wikia.com/wiki/Songs#Lyrics_2
― gyac, Sunday, 20 November 2011 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
This is like the opposite of when I read the first three HARRY POTTAR books and thought Hermione was black and was hella confused when I saw the movie poster. OR IS IT??
― Loud music stressed out sad Shadow (Abbbottt), Sunday, 20 November 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.observer.com/2012/01/gawker-blogger-fired-racial-slur-01052011/
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
Seems really odd to me that this happened at all considering like Gawker and TMZ are like dually responsible for the internet outrage culture of "Once potentially a racist, always a flaming contemptible racist." I figured dude should be like hyper aware of shit like this
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
I would not be at all surprised if the uproar was over making fun of Kanye's dead mother rather than any allusion to a racial slur, considering the linguistic limbo over the difference between "-a" and "-er".
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
the joke was really offensive and i do think calling a black person the n-word is a straight up fireable offense but i was more rankled by his no-stakes apology. "sorries all around!" is like an apology from that girl from ucla that made that video about asians in the library.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 6 January 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
also feel like writing a post on gawker about DONDA and not knowing that donda is the name of kanye's dead mom is a fireable offense in of itself.
it was totally about the n-word and not about kanye's mom
― we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
that is one statement I am happy to be wrong about
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
at first I didn't think it was that bad, then I thought if someone made that joke in front of me it would be pretty horrific.
― ain't nothing nice (bnw), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
the fact that he had to say "dis" instead of "this" to make the hacky acronym joke work makes it even more offensive
― we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
whiney, what do you think of all the "shit ______ people say" youtubes that are popular now
― dayo, Friday, 6 January 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
feel like you would like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPUzxpIBe0
― dayo, Friday, 6 January 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
― dayo, Friday, January 6, 2012 10:24 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
The Stuff Girls Say with the dude in drag was pretty disgusting on some basic levels.
A lot of the "Stuff White Girls Say To Black Girls" seems more like "Stuff White Girls Say When Black Girls Aren't Around," which makes the whole YouTube sadder if it's accurate.
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
i think most black girls have had that stuff said to them by white girls in their lives. i think most black guys have had the gender equivalent stuff said to them by white guys in their lives. white americans are really stupid about race
― max, Friday, 6 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
except for me, im really smart about race
i have tons of bleaugh friends
but ur last name is 'racist' iirc. max racist.
― (๑•̀⌓•́๑) (am0n), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
The Observer has just learned that Gawker blogger Seth Abramovitch was dismissed after a post that invoked a racial slur many considered to be in generally poor taste.
Gawker used to have such tasteful racial slurs, what happened?
― buzza, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
feeling like gawker editor daulerio's twitter handle is kinda uh questionable in itself, in racial terms
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
but i was more rankled by his no-stakes apology. "sorries all around!" is like an apology from that girl from ucla that made that video about asians in the library.
"I'm sorry you were offended" apologies are the worst. I would rather have no apology at all than that because it is so insincere.
― Nicole, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
xp @AJDaulerio? afaik that's been his handle for a while
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
wait, no, i'm responding to the twit conversation with 'pepper lebeija' linked in that article, that's not aj, my mistake
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
guess i much be an ignorant because i don't see what's racially insensitive about that
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://zionstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/frog_sofa.jpg
― (๑•̀⌓•́๑) (am0n), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/59973547/Kermit+The+Frog+Kermit.jpg
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Friday, January 6, 2012 10:56 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
I think this is true
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
like, is it questionable to name your twitter handle after someone who is not the same race as you?
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
eh, just a white gay dude using the name of a dead black vogue queen, for lols, is all. maybe not explicitly racist but still kinda dumb and gross imho xp
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/41001097/Kermit+The+Frog+kermit.jpg
l-r: frogbs, ilx
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
what if it's a white straight dude calling himself Princess TamTam?
― pplains, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
it's like "hey, you're not that guy!"
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Kermit is a lot less confrontational than frogbs, also do not want to hear frogbs' version of the rainbow connection
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
"feeling like ILX poster frogbs handle is kinda uh questionable in itself, in ethologist terms" - a frog reading this thread
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
i cant pinpoint what exactly, but I do think there's something a little weird about my white friends who have like big afro'd black basketball players from the 70s as their twitter avatars or like https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1266476149/Picture_2.png
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
so you'd be more comfortable if they used Larry Bird or Dirk because they resemble them a little more?
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
luis suarez
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/angrycustomer.jpg
― the white plies (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, i'm not saying it makes me UNCOMFORTABLE, frogbullshit, but like elmo says, there is a little something curious about being privileged white male using a black person's picture to define your identity to the world?
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
what if it's a current black basketball player or rapper?
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, i do think there is some level of contextual difference between "i like dj quik" and "check out the way this harlem globetrotter used to look"
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
dude, Meadowlark Lemon was THE SHIT
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
whiney is my t-pain teddy bear avatar racist
― we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
your t-pain teddy bear avatar is classic
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
i cant pinpoint what exactly, but I do think there's something a little weird about my white friends who have like big afro'd black basketball players from the 70s as their twitter
I feel the same way but I can't decide whether I'm right on or whether the impulse that makes me feel weird about this is bullshit white liberal angst
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
I will co-sign that 100%
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
idk, i guess privileged cis white gay dudes laying claim to a trans PoC culture as 'their own' is kinda bothersome to me?
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
i blame madonna.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
besides just saying "it's a little curious" why don't you just point out what you think these people are trying to say? like almost all this is is either "I like this guy" or "I think this picture is cool". do you really have to point out "there's a 1% chance this is actually racist, so I'm going to call this out?"
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
i can't read seth abromavitch's name w/o hearing it in the voice of bobby moynihan saying "gary abromowitz"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 6 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
'laying claim' or 'i like this'?
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit i asked what frogbs asked
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
don't tell me that you understand/'til you suggest ban
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
dunno why its necessary to point out all the time "White guys are priviledged! Black guys are not!" but IMO this really seems like looking way too deep into something that is not that significant in the first place. do people really pick their twitter avatar because they want to say "This is me, this is my culture, this is how I grew up, and this is the level of priveledge I have"?
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 6, 2012 12:29 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
well, what's the difference between "I like rap music" and "I like 70s basketball style"
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
some people think that people in the 70's looked "funny"
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
^
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
dunno why its necessary to point out all the time "White guys are priviledged! Black guys are not!"
I know that you don't know why, and won't know why, but it is necessary to point this out all the time. It will no longer be necessary when white ppl don't have all the privilege. You're welcome.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn.mumbrella.com.au/2010/01/Trading-Post-teaser-232x350.jpg
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
I know that you don't know why, and won't know why
probably should have just stopped there before you said something stupid
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
xp omg haha
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
iconic
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
Will I offend anyone using that picture as my twitter avatar?
full confession: I briefly had Dock Ellis's baseball card as a myspace band avatar for awhile way back when
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
well that certainly is a frog of priviledge
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
damn, almost had whiney calling out half the goon crew as being racist
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 6 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
it is necessary to point this out all the time. It will no longer be necessary when white ppl don't have all the privilege. You're welcome.
we're talking about twitter avatars (of people who are richer, more famous, and more talented than us). kinda strikes me as the kind of thing that ONLY white people would have a problem with.
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
no one is richer, more famous, or more talented than me frog b, I don't know what world you live in
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
dock ellis is totally more talented than you aero, sorry
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
I pitch no-hitters on acid all day it's just nobody reports it
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
i see we have a nice shitstorm brewing and i'll let you get on with it, but with the case of 'pepper lebeija' twit handle i guess for me it comes down to reducing trans people of color to objects of amusement? or more generally how paris is burning is largely seen as little more than a fun quotable 'gay' movie, rather than an enthographic documentary of an extremely marginal community?
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
so if my avatar is Kobe Bryant, does that say to you, "people like Kobe are just objects of amusement"?
― frogbs, Friday, 6 January 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
yours personally? yes
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not removing my Eddie Hazel avatars for anyone.
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
hope you don't have a problem with my new DN
― frogbs after dark (frogbs), Friday, 6 January 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
it's kinda blah
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 6 January 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
That goat looks sort of happy so I object to any use of it as an avatar.
― joygoat, Friday, 6 January 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Friday, January 6, 2012 10:23 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lool
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Friday, 6 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
yo, what are the implications of having a varg vikernes avatar? that's cool rite?
― Mordy, Friday, 6 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
ok obv nobody else is gonna say it
no
no, that's not cool mordy
i'm sorry
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 January 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol missed you frogg
― horseshoe, Saturday, 7 January 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
also it's not clear to me you tried at all to understand the specificity of elmo's observation; it's not really transportable to kobe bryant.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 7 January 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
'well all black ppl are p much the same, right?'
― 404 (Lamp), Saturday, 7 January 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
not ALL white ppl are privileged and not ALL black ppl are underprivileged, guys
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 7 January 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, January 6, 2012 1:18 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
god this isn't that hard, there is a (usually p obvious) difference between liking/appreciating/being a fan of someone and using their image for ironic lols in a way that is racialized or playing off stereotypes
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 7 January 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
gr8: i don't really know what you're about but i'll assume you're not joking. there are all sorts of types of privilege -- all people who pass for white have white privilege over those who don't. this doesn't mean they have every privilege.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 7 January 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
just lol'd so hard darr
― Mordy, Saturday, 7 January 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
hard lol'ing. it hurts.
help.
then i'm going to assume i had a wrong read on gr8 and wrongfully responded to a comment made by a million people every day
i'm very sorry mordy
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 7 January 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
u aren't darr! continue to fight the good fight
― Mordy, Saturday, 7 January 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
oh lol didn't see that
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 7 January 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
i don't see an image there, the guy's name is just "Pepper LaBeija". not sure where the ironic lols are coming from. it is because he is not, in fact, Pepper LaBeija?
― frogbs, Saturday, 7 January 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
Because the name implies it's a black man who dresses as a woman and it's actually a white man who dresses as a man?
I mean, unless you're using some new definition, that is textbook irony
― mh, Saturday, 7 January 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
well, my twitter handle implies that I'm an owl (actually, I'm human)
IMO people who name themselves after a celebrity don't really imply anything but them being a fan of that celebrity
is there any way I can explain this that won't have people jumping down my throat?
― frogbs, Saturday, 7 January 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/08/28/frog1.jpg
― estela, Saturday, 7 January 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago) link
xpost: no, but please keep trying :-)
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 7 January 2012 07:30 (twelve years ago) link
think there's a frog in yr throat
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Saturday, 7 January 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
I see a CRUCIFIED FROG and I'm like "why a cup? why an egg?"
― I was otherwise very normal before I became (onimo), Saturday, 7 January 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
yo, what are the implications of having a varg vikernes avatar? that's cool rite?― Mordy, Friday, January 6, 2012 10:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkok obv nobody else is gonna say itnono, that's not cool mordyi'm sorry― carpy deems (darraghmac), Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:57 AM (14 hours ago)
― Mordy, Friday, January 6, 2012 10:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:57 AM (14 hours ago)
not even the shopped pic of varg with the cat?
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Saturday, 7 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
ironic fetishization of an unrepentant racist is one of hipsterdom and ILX's lowest moments
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 7 January 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^^^^^
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 7 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
and liverpool's
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/054/743/2987957120110724-22047-8avbwa.jpg
― lEEE (Leee), Saturday, 7 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
ironic fetishization of an unrepentant racist is one of hipsterdom and ILX's lowest moments― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, January 7, 2012 4:20 PM (2 hours ago)
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, January 7, 2012 4:20 PM (2 hours ago)
How do you know the cat is racist?
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Saturday, 7 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
the fact that ilx'ers keep getting trolled by varg references blows my mind
― Mordy, Saturday, 7 January 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
sandy varginas
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
Taken last week in a seaside town in England:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2q2k5qa.jpg
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
'LOVELY GOLLIES'
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
genuinely thought labour had incinerated the last of those
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
they were emancipated by act of parliament last year, and now are free to settle in seaside giftshops throughout england
― hegel-lacan girl (nakhchivan), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
There's still a hardcore of golly-fanciers out there. Not sure there's a a middle ground between owning none and owning fifty. They generally seem to be confused, but not particularly vindictive, people of pensionable age who can't see what all the fuss is about.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
lol tories
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
that was an xpost but i mean
They were on jam jars less than ten years ago, iirc. I've no idea how that went on for so long.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:48 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
My parents used to be friends with a couple like this. Several rooms in their house were entirely decked out in golly art - painting, statues, dolls etc. They obv were the type of people you're describing but the one time I was in their house it really freaked me out. My mom warned me beforehand but it was still pretty jarring and very O_O to me.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
lyons tea still had animated minstrel tv ads until maybe mid 2000's
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
hoooooly fuck i just remembered that my friend that i do not like got me one of those for christmas a few years ago because he was insistent that they aren't offensive in england (he took a semester abroad) and they were relevant in some comic book or something. this is the same friend who did blackface for halloween. fuck.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Sunday, 8 January 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
they were relevant in some comic book or something
That would be League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Black Dossier.
― lEEE (Leee), Sunday, 8 January 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
also available in braille
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah that was it
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Sunday, 8 January 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
your friend sounds like a horrible, horrible person. who comes to this country and what they get out of it when they go back to the states is 'golliwogs aren't offensive there'
― thomp, Sunday, 8 January 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
ugh
tbf ur country is, by that token, a horrible horrible country
I don't rly believe that tbf
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol no wait misread you nm
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
tbf england is a horrible, horrible country
― thomp, Sunday, 8 January 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
ya but i didn't want to have to be the one to say it
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
They generally seem to be confused, but not particularly vindictive, people of pensionable age who can't see what all the fuss is about.
Yeah that basically describes my grandma who used to collect golly pins from Robinsons jam, she's got loads of them.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 8 January 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
kirsty should have made up a golliwog as one of her WI craft fair entries imo
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 January 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/papa-john-customer-pizza-joint-called-a-chink-article-1.1002304
― cozen, Sunday, 8 January 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
I thought I remembered a similar story but couldn't quite recall, so googled "racist receipt" and hey! It looks like this is a charming common practice among cashiers!
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Sunday, 8 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
he was insistent that they aren't offensive in england
No, they are.
this is the same friend who did blackface for halloween
Why the fuck is this person your friend? I mean, even in a 'friend I don't like' capacity?
― emil.y, Sunday, 8 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
Cracking up so hard at "my friend I do not like"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 8 January 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
He added that the employee responsible for the receipt was a teen — who he believed was misguided by “hip hop culture.”
...and possibly violent video games.
― pplains, Sunday, 8 January 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
and Rob Schneider movies
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 January 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
Oh my god that receipt story
I am horrified and cracking up at the same time
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 8 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
PP, what video game uses that kind of language?
― beachville, Sunday, 8 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno. I just thought it was funny dude was blaming hip-hop.
― pplains, Sunday, 8 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, to be fair, I've heard the phrase "chinky eyes" dozens upon dozens of times in my life and approximately 100% of these occurrances were rap songs
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 January 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
well everything's okay then
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Sunday, 8 January 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://gta.wikia.com/Chink
― I was otherwise very normal before I became (onimo), Sunday, 8 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
it's complicated because he's a part of our group of six high school friends who still hang out and consider ourselves a "group" and everyone else in the group is at least annoyed with him but still consider him a part of the group, etc. and he emphasizes the racist stuff around me because he knows it gets to me. he's just one of those typical nerds who will not hear ANYTHING about how their actions are wrong. i don't really see him anymore and decided to ditch him completely after the blackface thing, but it's proven v difficult when my four other friends just go "eh what can you do, that's just how max is"
actually al shipley you might know him irl, he writes for the citypaper
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Sunday, 8 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think a lot of groups of friends have the one asshole who keeps being included for some unknown reason. Wild card? Reminds me of the Trainspotting thing where they describe what a sociopath Begbie was, and then they're all like, "What are you going to do? He's a mate.."
― mh, Monday, 9 January 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
my high school group had that, but then I moved to MA for college
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
And then he found you on ilx?
― mh, Monday, 9 January 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really see him anymore and decided to ditch him completely after the blackface thing, but it's proven v difficult when my four other friends just go "eh what can you do, that's just how max is"
new board description
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 9 January 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Sunday, January 8, 2012 4:09 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait waht i need some hints or a code or something
― seasonal thug (some dude), Monday, 9 January 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
zachlyon
― buzza, Monday, 9 January 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
his name is max, he started as an intern maybe two years ago and occasionally reviews movies
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Monday, 9 January 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
One of the minor quirks of the original customersucks board (about 10 years ago) was the periodic complaints about, er, 'purple people'.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 9 January 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
Dr. Sheb Wooley's been dilligently working on a cure for that for 53 years.
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
the thing that always bugged me is that the song clearly implied that the flying creature that ate people was itself the color purple.
yet Sheb throws a curveball when he mentions "eatin purple people and it sure is fine". so the people he eats are purple? dude musta been hella thin considering Prince and his minions were still decades away
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
so the punchline of the song bothers you?
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
what can you do
― max, Monday, 9 January 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Important detail in the racist receipt story: “Some of the tweets I’ve gotten back are, ‘Why are you going to Papa John’s when you live in New York City?’” she said.
Also: he was insistent that they aren't offensive in england Even if this were true, how the hell would that make it OK to give one to you in the USA, where, by inference from his own statement, they are unquestionably offensive?
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Monday, 9 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
lol don't people realize that it's much less work to apologize than bend over backwards to weakly indicate you didn't do anything wrong...not to mention it's like, the RIGHT thing to do.
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
honest question:
Has anyone ever made a real apology that actually mattered in the TMZ age? I mean, I though KKKramer sincerely apologized and that dude aint getting any work any time soon.
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
that dude wasn't getting work before his outburst either. whereas mel gibson is doin alright.
― iatee, Monday, 9 January 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
mel gibsons apology was shit tho
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
there was one, but i forgot who
no one with powerful friends (lolroman polanski) ever has to sincerely apologize, they just have to wait
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Elvis Costello.
― pplains, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:18 PM
http://www2.citypaper.com/about/masthead.asp
― the marijuanaut farmer (am0n), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
never underestimate ILX's ability to blow up someone's spot
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
xp "research assistant" apparently
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
the only people I know who say this are a friend who was born in the US but lived in China from ages 2 - 7 and her lily-white best friend from college; usually they are saying it to each other about Lucy Liu
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
neither of them is particularly into hip-hop, aside from Ludacris
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
that dude wasn't getting work before his outburst either. whereas mel gibson is doin alright
uhh is he? his "comeback" movie barely grossed $1m and i'm not sure if any movie producer would touch him at this point. he couldn't even hold down a cameo on Hangover 2.
― frogbs, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
his "comeback" movie was about a dude who could only communicate with the world via a hand puppet, I'm surprised it grossed even that much
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
sesame st themes that didn no wait
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, to be fair, I've heard the phrase "chinky eyes" dozens upon dozens of times in my life and approximately 100% of these occurrances were rap songsthe only people I know who say this are a friend who was born in the US but lived in China from ages 2 - 7 and her lily-white best friend from college; usually they are saying it to each other about Lucy Liu― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, January 9, 2012 3:23 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, January 9, 2012 3:23 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
At my old job the (mostly black and/or latino) kids I worked with used it pretty frequently to describe themselves or one another if they had even slightly almond shaped or small eyes. Not that it means anything but I heard it used pretty often then.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
I remember telling one of my girls that she probably shouldn't use that term when she was saying she hoped her baby got her eyes and she was like "Why not? It's a good thing - I love my chink eyes!" :/
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah FYI Gibson's career is over (thankfully)
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
As much as I want that to be true, I doubt it. He'll never be as big as he once was, but he'll get more chances.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
little mister sundance
― gnome rocognise gnome (remy bean), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
I mean sure, that's probably not going to be his last starring vehicle, but I can't see him headlining a high-profile movie again. I mean the last 10 years have not been kind to him (physically) and his last couple have tanked horribly. i'm not sure what's left for him.
― frogbs, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Directing, most likely. I don't know, I'm not trying to defend the douche in the least and I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong, but the ability for Hollywood to forgive never ceases to amaze me and I won't rule out a "humble" return behind the camera some day.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
When I was a waiter I was standing in a full dining room next to a busboy who was singing
[Chingy] what's up?(Why yo eyes so chinky?) I dunno(Is it because you've been smoking and drinking?)
And I had to explain to him that that was absolutely not OK to say in front of guests or anywhere. He said he didn't realize it was a bad word, and he said "I'll just say "Why yo eyes Chingy" instead of "chinky." I tried to explain that that was not a good substitute, and anyway, rapping or singing in the dining room was also not really OK. And anyway, the rest of the words were not acceptable for other reasons:
Maybe so(I've been thinking) huh?(Maybe you come get me) and do what?(Round the town, then take me home and eat me)Okay
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
LooooL
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
man I don't think I've ever heard anyone use chinky eyes irl
gook or slant-eyed, maybe
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
that reminds me
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
I've been around some casual racism, but I've never heard chinky eyes either.
― pplains, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
anybody remember this fiasco?
Officers Ticket Drivers for Non-English Speaking
― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
when I worked in a restaurant, racism was tossed around casually by everyone, including managers. which was interesting cuz the staff itself was pretty multicultural.
working in restaurants is a great place to meet lowlifes and degenerates iirc
― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
worst 5 years of my life
Directing, most likely.
last thing he was rumored to be involved with was the Joe Esterhaz-penned movie about Judah and the Maccabees. I bet that goes over real well.
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/parents-outraged-after-homework-assignment-refers-/nGHHr/
― max, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, restaurants are awful for casual racism. Have we talked about "Canadians" itt yet?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
xp: that's not racist, just stupid/lazy
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
I had a third grade teacher that instead of giving us those canned scenarios for math problems, had us write our own. it was hell of a lot more fun working on problems with scenarios like
50 Santa Clauses traveled down the chimney one night25 got burnt in the fireHow many Santas are left?
― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
0, because there's no such thing as Santa Clause
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
Nice page code at the end of that URL there.
― pplains, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
oh damn lol
― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
DreamWorks gives Michael Richards voiceover work in things like Bee Movie & his asking price as a speaker is still 100k. "Speaking engagements" by dudes who've been as famous as him go on way under the radar afaik & nobody every hears anything about it & they net ridiculous money. Once you hurdle to "actually famous" you have to be an idiot to go broke, your agent will find you enough work to keep you rich.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
is that in reference to Gibson
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
cuz if so I mean yeah dude is never going to be poor. but he is also never going to be a major force in Hollywood again
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
I guess he might become poor if he rapes or murders somebody and goes to jail
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
Michael Richards hasn't worked regularly as an actor since Seinfeld went off the air, regardless of outburst
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
I suck at math but if he invested like a couple million from the last season in a safe interest-bearing account doesn't that kinda keep the cash flowing?
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizpWta-5Uw
― omar little, Monday, 9 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
the contention wasn't about anyone going broke, it was about ppl getting work after their embarrassing racist outbursts; at any rate Richards unambiguously apologized multiple times after that incident and it had about zero impact on people's hiring decisions re: him (ie, he is still getting hired by Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld and... no one else)
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i think w/r/t richards it's all-too-easy to suggest it destroyed his career when really, his ashen-faced appearances on tv in the weeks following his outburst were his biggest non-seinfeld roles ever.
― omar little, Monday, 9 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
i think aero's saying that they should have .... taken all of his money??
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
Yes because Roman Polanski is certainly being ignored these days.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
apples and oranges there
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
I know, I know. Just sayin' that a couple of you guys are acting like its 100% inconceivable that Hollywood would ever even acknowledge Gibson again.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Polanski kept making good movies, though.
...and a lot of hilariously bad or ridiculous ones
― mh, Monday, 9 January 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
brb gotta go find a copy of The Ninth Gate
― mh, Monday, 9 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
Gibson's pissed off too many people. Foster tried to help him out and failed. at this point, the only other big name probably willing to lend their credibility to a Gibson project is maybe Robert Downey Jr.
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
I think he's ruined because the industry of Hollywood has an image and a social narrative that it hews to really closely, and there's no room in that narrative for the redemptive third act of an artless/talentless, white, male, hetero, racist, wifebeating drunk - reformed or otherwise. "Industry Warmly Accepts a Reformed Gibson" is not a headline any Hollywood player wants to write.
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
all things considered, Polanski had several cards in his favor that Gibson does not
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
well liked by his peers, sympathy over the Tate murder, his amazing run of canonical films in the 70s, the ambiguity of the charges/public calls for forgiveness by the victim etc
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
Okay Shakey, the Polanski call out was just a tossed off comment. I do understand why his case is hugely different.
I don't really want to argue about this anymore becaue I too hope Gibson is never heard from again, but I fear thats wishful thinking.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:57 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idk wasn't there press of his kinda modest rehabilitation, w r downey jr & some pals at some award ceremony. if the guy was likely to make another zillion dollar faith movie or something i'm sure people would be all over him. i feel like there's a weird thing where he can now exist just with the by-now-familiar tag of 'asshole' attached to him, it prob makes it easier for him to occasionally be caught being an asshole w/o too much fallout
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
he had been existing comfortably with that tag since at least the Lethal Weapon movies, I don't see why he needed to escalate
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
the Beaver was his gambit for serious redemption, and if it had done well/been good H'wood probably would've welcomed him back a bit - but that didn't happen
for what it's worth, I was surprised he sawed off his forearm for his role in the Beaver. how's he going to beat his wife now?
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Monday, January 9, 2012 11:17 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I'll admit that this was first thought too, I mean I know they have those dipping sauces and all but still
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
xp got me stumped
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
You gotta hand it to him for trying, I guess.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah so hilariously the thing that is keeping mg from redemption is the quality of his movies, the quality of movies that star mel gibson
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
Mel Gibson was in some very good movies!
I mean, I know he was in even more terrible ones, but still.
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
"some" is being overly generous, I'll give you "one"
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
i know its not a movie hes in but apocalypto is the fn best
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
omg I was just looking up his filmography and Mad Max 4 is coming out this year??????
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
(ya Apocalypto is fucking incredible, that movie should not work nearly that well)
isn't he making a movie abt the maccabees now, id watch the racism out of that
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Apocalypto is unwatchable nonsense y'all are high as fuck
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
also that one thats all slowmo shots of jesus getting stomped, i havent seen it but its a p out there concept
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
u might dig that one shakey
"unwatchable nonsense" is best reserved for movies like Red Riding Hood, which I texted through this weekend
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
lynch to thread
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQ4nRbtbTM
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
wtf
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
WHAT?!
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
nah me and Jesus are tight bros
x-post - Wait that has to be doctored, right?
or a . . . coincidence?
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://sharetv.org/images/david_copperfield_2000/cast/large/wilkins_micawber.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
that's classic Olsen twin MO, don't forget this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6DA_WwO90c&feature=related
three guesses who the first one to mention chicken is
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
here's a hint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo9BIPIoLPg&feature=endscreen&NR=1
a) O_Ob) how have I never seen that?
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
so weird that both olsen twins had strokes simultaneously during the filming of that first video
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
DJP you posted the wrong Gimme Pizza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEoASUMZbI
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
xp not strokes, botox
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
xp which somebody went to extra lengths to call "gangsta" in the opening titles of that version, wtf
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
Am I wrong, or do all of Mel Gibson's directorial ventures feature half-naked men hitting other men with sharp objects?
― mh, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
onto something
― carpy deems (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
all his good ones are 2 hour chase sequences: mad max 2, apocalypto, passion of the christ
― caek, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
sorry old
― caek, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pR20n_U234
is this racist
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
Did u watch her little Wayne one? If not, do so. Now.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
wow, Kreayshawn fell off fast
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57802000/jpg/_57802534_rappaport2-1.jpg
Germany's Schlosspark Theatre defends 'blackface' actor
― Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
you know what else belongs on this thread, is the verb "to black up"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
although that is small potatoes compared to: In 2009, Dresden Zoo had to apologise after naming a small baboon after Mr Obama.
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
"Many older black actors come from the music industry, and that wasn't a fit for the play as it wasn't a musical," he told The Local newspaper.
"When we couldn't find an elderly black actor who fit the role and could speak with a perfect German accent, we opted for blackface make-up."
He said he was saddened by the controversy: "I tried to make a play about racism and ended up being called a racist".
looooooooooooooooooool
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGkn8TFaySg
Convincing Indian guy here in One Armed Boxer
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
"to black up", Dan? Like, "he was really blacking up the place"?
― beachville, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
Director Thomas Schendel said they had been unable to find the right elderly black actor to play the role of Midge Carter so had opted for blacking-up 76-year-old white actor Joachim Bliese.
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
oh holy shit all of that but also the baboon thing!! :(
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67cx9M2c51M
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
if there's one person who I would expect to be totally tone-deaf to the phrase "black up", it's Butterfly
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
Do we reckon that basically it is wrong for anyone to ever play someone of a different race than themselves, or is it only wrong for whitey to play black people?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
or neither?
generally speaking, I think it is tied to the performance but it's usually safer not to do it
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm kind of surprised by this*, as I've only heard it used to mean "to colour one's face", rather than, for example, the "adopt a comedy walk" end of the spectrum. I mean it's obviously always a pretty bad idea, but I thought the description was being.. descriptive? Like "skin lightening" but without the skin.
*And, obviously, a little defensive :)
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
it's a US/UK thing I think
or maybe a DJP/rest of the world thing, I dunno
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I don't think "black up" is offensive in that sentence. it's the idea you have a problem with.
heh heh heh
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
i play someone of a different race than myself in skyrim
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
For me, the question is why the hell does a German theatre want to do a production of "I'm Not Rappaport".
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
If I was the production manager I would've thought.. "yeah this flew last time we did it in like the 80s or whatever, but I don't think we should put this on again unless we can find an actually black actor to fill the roll..."
I dunno - or maybe I'd be a common, parochial German and think that there was absolutely nothing wrong with this.
Seriously though, if they couldn't find the right actor that's maybe a sign not to put on the play; and I think that kind of theater superstition crosses all nationalities. But then - on the other other hand -- I remember plenty of times where there weren't enough dudes in high school drama and so a few boy parts were given to girls, who had to -- I suppose -- "man up" for the part.
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
Socks with sandals, people in blackface, so many ways to spot the German tourists
― mh, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
you left out speedos
― locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
germans are pretty racist
― caek, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5874912/
LOL @ Gawker's first "Is this thing that doesnt exist yet hypothetically racist?" post. Congrats, team.
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
LONG DUCK DONG
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm excited about this tumblr:
http://racistpoliticalads.tumblr.com/
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
hey no-one ever tell Dan backstage to "break a leg" ok?
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:15 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
shit hypothetical white girls in blackface say to the internet
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
I think there is something to this... an act which would be racist/offensive in some contexts is not so in other where the same cultural resonances do not apply.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
I'm kind of surprised by this*, as I've only heard it used to mean "to colour one's face", rather than, for example, the "adopt a comedy walk" end of the spectrum.
I can't think of an occasion (like, a potential real-life occurance) in which colring one's face to appear as of a different race wouldn't inately be "adopting a comedy walk" to some extent.
― beachville, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpp0akRxzm1qfumd9o1_400.gif
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
^ was always surprised they got away with this tbh
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
Is that Vic and Bob?
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
Also, am I the only one that keeps reading it as Eshitaki?
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
Vic and Bob as Otis Redding and Marvin Gaye, "Just sittin' on the dock of the beaaayyyyyyy"
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
Man I'm not really questioning the racism of this, but its been bugging me so much. We've got this middle-aged white guy here at work that starts talking in, I don't know, some bastardized version of ebonics whenever he talks to one of our black coworkers. I kind of thought I was imagining it or mishearing him or something at first, but now that someone else pointed it out I can't stop noticing it. For example he'll say, "you be survivin', huh?" or "I can dig that miss thing" to our HR head, but he never says any of those things to white coworkers. Its maddening now that I had it pointed out to me.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Silly old fool
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
this may be a subconscious reaction in some people
― frogbs, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
I have a very good friend who subconsciously parrots back accents to people; this can get very embarrassing for him very quickly but it is almost always hilarious
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:36 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i hear that, ribbit ribbit
― seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:29 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, that's what I thought it was. I was wondering if they'd done other similar stuff I hadn't seen.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
This is definitely not a case of parroting accents though, particularly the word choices he uses.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
Ugh I HATE that. Especially when the speaker normally talks completely not that way at all. My ex-bf sort of picked up a "jive" accent in social settings around black people, esp women, and it was kind of annoying but he was younger and he regularly used slang and generally talked "younger". That guy sounds like a dorky dad trying to fit in.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
I did that yesterday while talking to a white guy I work with who has a heavy, heavy southern accent. A couple of things i said came out really southern. It can happen subconciously.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6jvcMEG6kg
― pplains, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2010/4/16/1271445525521/FC-Twente-manager-Steve-M-001.jpg
^^ Accschent adopting raschist
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
I've been known to slip into a Southern tinged accent if I'm down in Texas long enough, but I'm really hyper aware of it and also its not racist.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnd7NovxFsg
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
i saw this old SNL skit about Roots where US Senator Al Franken was wearing darkening makeup to play a slave O_O
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
<3 u whiney never change
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
The episode of Sarah Silverman's show where she did blackface was one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
racist
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
the only time I do this is when I'm talking with people from the U.P., having lived in Wisconsin nearly all my life I have this kind of "latent" accent somewhere that only comes out when everyone around me is speaking with it, it's totally involuntary
― frogbs, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
I have no choice but to alter my accent else (some of) these fuckers here in London won't understand me
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
i've had about four different accents growing up and can lapse into any of them very easily if speaking to someone from any of those areas
I could see where you could lapse into different modes of speech with different ppl, tho, that's not hard to do?
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i'm a terrible accent parrot, sure i've told the story about my embarrassing pronunciation of "five pounds?" at the Giant's Causeway carpark
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
feev pinds?
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
s?
― hegel-lacan girl (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
sounded like Martin McGuinness getting a bit bolshy, everybody else in the car fell about laughing. totally unconscious i swear.
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
Both my parents will develop strong West Indian accents when they're around people from the Caribbean. As my mother's a middle-class white lady in her sixties from Chingford, it can be a little incongruous.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
tingford
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
I once saw a brief sketch on some UK TV programme in which two blacked up minstrels were listening to the radio, on which some rightwing politician was saying that minstrels had no place in Britain and that they should all be deported to Minstrel-land or wherever they came from. This made the minstrels sad, so they changed to another station on which Al Jolson or some such was singing "Mammy" or some such, which cheered them up.
Was this racist?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
tom cruise's irish accent is racist imo
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
L. Ron O'Hubbard told him to do it
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
I once saw a brief sketch on some UK TV programme in which two blacked up minstrels were listening to the radio, on which some rightwing politician was saying that minstrels had no place in Britain and that they should all be deported to Minstrel-land or wherever they came from. This made the minstrels sad, so they changed to another station on which Al Jolson or some such was singing "Mammy" or some such, which cheered them up.Was this racist?― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:20 (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:20 (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Little Britain IIRC, so maybe.
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy-zVlB4mvA
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thesuperficial.com/halle-berry-my-baby-is-black-black-as-night-02-2011
― difficult christening shower (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:22 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
? i havent listened to the record that thoroughly but i thought this was an intentional statement abt performing 'roles' for an audience
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
I honestly don't think I could have been any more sarcastic in that post
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 12 January 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
you'll never know until you try
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 12 January 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago) link
oh. idk what happened
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Thursday, 12 January 2012 08:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol went to bump the 'Texts From Bennett' thread RIP sandbox
anyway we've not done this yet have we? http://twitter.com/#!/GhettoHikes
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
102,646 followers
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
urban kids
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
if thats real its about a thousand times more depressing then the us soldiers pissing on the taliban guy video
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
No it's not
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he's not white ; )
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.outwardbound.org/index.cfm/do/obs.photo_search_result/activity/Urban%20Expeditions
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
wait, you mean, real as in the fact that organizations do organize hikes in urban areas or real as in there is a person tweeting things that kids say on these hikes
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
the latter duh
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
as a 'funny shit kids say' this is a great twitter feed - too bad about the name
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
dun dis da dat
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:19 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
"as a bit of old-fashioned slapstick fun 'long duk dong' is a great comedic performance - too bad about the name"
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
??
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
pretty thorough sonning tbf
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
reading thru a bunch of these, the kids, if real, all sound really funny and engaged with what's going on around them, and being held up for gentle mockery, mark twain accents and all, is really pissing me off.
― goole, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Ghetto Hikes Comedian
https://www.facebook.com/ghettohikes
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
ghikes
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Bring the first aids kit, Leon think he tore his rotisserie cuff."
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
and being held up for gentle mockery, mark twain accents and all, is really pissing me off.
― goole, Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:52 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, this is the problematic part
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
the only way this would be better is if there was a button that, when you clicked it, would play a clip of the author reading them
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno how 'gentle' it is tbh. i mean, i'm assuming this guy has some affection for these kids and his job.
― goole, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
i thought the name was the only problematic part, dayo?
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
I simply write down shit they say.
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
are you implying that the twitter is a parody?
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
I simply write down shit dey say.
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tSlbFO8QCvU/TtJc7vhI84I/AAAAAAAABwY/jE-Rbk5h87E/s1600/Kids-Say-the-Darndest-Things-Volume-2.jpg
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
dayo i'm not saying it's a parody/not real -- i'm saying that an hour ago you seemed to say it's just a great and funny twitter feed with an unfortunate name and now you seem to be saying that the overall project is problematic
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:58 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
isn't this like saying that the massive buckteeth are the only problem w/ the ronaldinho bottle opener?
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
I simply use dem to open bottles.
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
that's only one word racist
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
I made that post more to point out that I found the content of the feed funny by itself - because I got the sense that most people who followed that feed probably did so to laugh at what was said in, as goole said, a mocking way. I probably should have paused at the method of transcription and to have considered the full implications of the twitter name and now that I do so I do realize that yes, it makes the whole project problematic.
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
fair enough
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
j0rd, love you boo but stop trying to trip me up
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
ghetto hikes, urban kids, ugh jesus christ
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
i love you too dawg
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
What they actually say seems quite sweet, but yeah "ghetto hikes" and the transcription style takes this over the edge to completely horrible.
― emil.y, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
i mean 'kids saying cute malapropisms' is inoffensively funny in principle but dude has gone out of his way to make sure you know dese kids be black yo
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
in a lot of them the kids come off pretty funny and witty imo
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
i think we've established that there's nothing wrong with the kids themselves
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
@Horse_ebonics
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
looking forward to some ESOL teacher starting a hilarious twitter about all the wacky things people trying to learn how to speak english say
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
or, dare i dream, a wacky tumblr from an irreverant special needs educator
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
your prayers are answered:
http://fullduplex.org/tardblog/
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
oh good lord
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
so glad my work blocks these things, saving me from my morbid curiosity
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
i student taught in a predominantly black and latino public school last year and some of the shit both student teachers and teacher teachers said there...so i shouldn't be surprised. i'm not really surprised, just depressed.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
write down shit they said
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
:(
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
i mean it's not even like it's rocket science to do this kind of thing without being a total dick -- like when ENBB used to post about the kids she worked with it always came off very humane and affectionate
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://twitter.com/#!/search/%40GhettoHikes
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
heh i found out about @ghettohikes via @menshumor
― max, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
menshumor not all the same thing as menschhumor it turns out
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
what a profoundly stupid thing to say
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, now that I look back at it, it really sounds like hyperbole
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
xpost yeah uh i mean, i'm pretty sure there are some ethical transgressions here as well? i mean, it's not exactly a HIPAA violation but as using the kids you're caretaking as an explicit source of haha racial comedy is super mega shitty
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
maz whats going on on that dom tweet, i dont wanna click it at work
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
We decided on the word "tard" mainly because it is not a word. We picked it for this reason, and thus we can assign our own meaning to the word "tard."
Whatever mental gymnastics make you sleep better at night I guess.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
hoo boy call me dim but it never occurred to me there might be a @womenshumor too
it doesn't disappoint
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit @ the thing jon just quoted
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
the thing about that "tardblog" is there is literally not a person alive who works with the developmentally disabled who does not blow off steam about his/her clients/patients/residents from time to time. there is a correct place to do that: with your coworkers. there is an incorrect place to do that: in public. and there's a completely inappropriate to the point of "if you're my coworker and I catch you doing this, I will risk total estrangement from the entire staff just to get you fired & hopefully brought up on charges" place to do it: on the fucking internet.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
malcolm's annoying chair made me lol, and the kid who liked to nap on the bathroom floor, then i felt bad for loling and stopped reading
― pandemic, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i mean everyone HAS to have a sense of humor about their job and the people they're surrounded by on a daily basis, regardless of who it is. it's all about context.
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
Why do you use the word "tard?" Isn't this a horrible thing to call them?We decided on the word "tard" mainly because it is not a word. We picked it for this reason, and thus we can assign our own meaning to the word "tard."
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
aero 100% otm here
already posted that above am0n
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
ok this then
tard: n., A student in a class that is set aside for children with some sort of special need, e.g. metal retardation, autism, behavioral disorders, etc, generally referred to as Special Education classes. If you think it is a derogatory word, then that is your problem, not ours, and reflects the biases and issues you bring to the table, not us.
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
Oh so its OUR fault then, glad they clarified.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
this is disgusting
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
everyone knows 'tard is hyphenated
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
i fucked that joke up
this is disgusting...
...everyone knows 'tard takes an apostrophe
ah yes, the "i'm rubber / you're glue" gambit, well played indeed
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:57 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
some seriously gross shit, dont bother
― max, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
xxp: actually I think it was funnier the other way
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
"I put on the manual breaks"
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
*brings biases and issues to the table*
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
Also if those are made up names to protect identies, I'm gonna o_O at "Kunte" for awhile.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Aw, thanks Al. I miss those kids. One of them msg'd me on FB the other day, I need to write him back. You know, I could start a whole thread just based on their facebook posts because they're hysterical, heartbreaking and fascinating all at once but I could/would never actually do that. Not even on 77.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
kind of reminds me of that old "Movie Comics" comic strip that constantly used the word "ghey" and defended it saying "it doesn't have a meaning! it's a made up word!" which is the only way to make it more offensive and less funny
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
here we go
― pplains, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
y'know, that "Tard" blog wd be one level of disgusting, but the sanctimonious "don't call me out on my shit" in the FAQ and elsewhere actually ratchets it up 3 or 4 extra levels of fucking disgusting
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it sounds like it was written by a publicist. are there really two people behind that blog?
hate to admit I chuckled at this:
We are assigning the word "tard" to all of them as a way of classifying all of them together. For instance, when Riti says something about "her tards," she is referring to everyone in her class.
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
urgh, that is like this younger woman who a friend has been hanging with who keeps saying things are "gay"
My first thought is: People still do that? I thought, even outside of believing it's offense and worth stopping, that it stopped being a thing people said because it was in the popular lexicon foreeeeeever. I guess she's originally from a small town?
Then he said that he had mentioned it to her, and he thinks she keeps doing it to "mess with him." I think I find that even more offensive?
― mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
I thought "tard blog" was a Tucker Max thing that supposedly was written by a nonexistent teacher friend of his? Not even going to click that link to see if it's a mirror of the same thing
For instance, when Riti says something about "her tards," she is referring to everyone in her class.
when "children" or "students" or "young people" just won't do
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
that blog's been around a long time iirc, or at least a blog with that title.
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
it's like they're reclaiming the word for ignorant shitfuckers or something
tard: n., A student in a class that is set aside for children with some sort of special need, e.g. metal retardation
very unique new definition of the meaningless word "tard"
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
"that's so ghetto" vs "that's so gay"
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
vs "that's so retarded"
vs "That's So Raven!"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
Considering one of the posts on the first page talks about using an Apple IIe with the students, I'm guessing this may be pretty old.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
At least with ghetto, there's at least an implication of it being lower class or cheap or ostentatious or something that lives up to one of a half dozen stereotypes
As opposed to "This restaurant closes at 10PM? That's so gay!"
― mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:33 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha maybe they INVENTED 'tard' ::chinstroke::
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
idk if this is US/UK thing part 100000000 but afaict calling things gay is as popular as ever and in no way determined by the population of where you live
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Has there ever been a thread on "conversations that happen at least every two months" on ILX?
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Considering one of the posts on the first page talks about using an Apple IIe with the students, I'm guessing this may be pretty old.― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:33 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:33 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not sure jon realizes how underfunded american schools are
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I know school districts are all about keeping old machines around forever, but I can't imagine even the most ass-backwards district still using CD-ROM games.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Again, I must be spoiled by my group of friends and immediate family
― mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
nb I don't know what the thing you're referring to is re the "younger woman" xp to self/mh
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/TardBlog
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:35 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i don't think so but there really should be
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
that thread idea is soooo gay
― mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
The troubling thing for me about how the ghettohikes is less how it's presented than how it will probably be taken by a lot of its audience. Yes, the name is kind of offputting, and yes, the transcriptions are kinda blackface or something, but most of what the kids say is very funny, and I think the whole thing would be kind of innocuous if it wasn't for the fact that there was a whole built in audience of people who are reading this as "LOL BLACKS R DUM"
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/GhettoBusDriver
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
now find one more and write a gawker article about it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/GhettoSommelier
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'm 28. I have a full time job bringing urban students new computers.
― buzza, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
oh lol its a real twitter
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:46 PM
^ nick denton
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:44 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but i mean...kids saying funny or odd things is one of the most renewable resources on earth, if a particular batch gets 'tainted' i don't think it's some tragic waste of lols to not look at that one stupid twitter or write the whole thing off as unsavory
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
i mean sure if you wanted to create a filter that allowed you to read it as "kidhikes" and found-and-replaced every "dis" or "dat" as "this" or "that" sure you'd have some decent guilt-free entertainment but is it really worth it?
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/TweetsLMAO/status/157549013317586944
― am0n, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
the ghettobusdriver one is obviously fake. the wildlife trip one, idk for sure, but it has the ring of truth.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
"I drive a bus of troubled urban children (of all races) to school every day. I write the best stuff down and post it here."
maybe too pedantic but doesn't 'of all races' defy the proper definition of 'ghetto'? ok well fair enough, you're not a racist bus driver and most likely not a bus driver at all, just some guy with a funny twitter account who likes laughing at america's underclasses, good job
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
maybe too pedantic but doesn't 'of all races' defy the proper definition of 'ghetto'?
yes, actually they should be jewish
― mh, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit, the youtube wine reviews posted on ghettosommeleir's blogspot (titled 'hood wine')
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
xpost yeah but I mean tbh what's funny about it does have something to do with it being kids from the ghetto who have very little experience with wilderness, and my point isn't really that it should be scrubbed of any racial identifiers and made into generic "lol kids" so much as the fact that it sucks that a lot of people won't just read something like that with affection and appreciation as opposed to, well, racism.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
@GhettoHikes seems a more plausible scenario than texts from Bennett but if they're based on real things the kids say they have to have been paraphrased into abstraction - it reads to me like a total BBC3 comedy scriptwriter's idea of what 'street yoof' say
like I didn't find texts from Bennett that funny (altho when someone - forks? - said something about it reading like a ventriloquist/dummy act it became instantly more endearing to read for me) but you at least got the impression that Mac Lethal actually took time to think about the character and get into the part y'know
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
it reads to me like a total BBC3 comedy scriptwriter's idea of what 'street yoof' say
IDK, it reads pretty real to me, whereas the bus one comes off totally canned
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah ghetto hikes seems pretty plausible imo
― lame adele rey (some dude), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
although i bet the guy hears/types "dat" even when they say "that" sometimes, like that one young jeezy review on pitchfork
― lame adele rey (some dude), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
the reason it sounds real is because the kids actually say sharp, witty, irreverent things and not just dumb patsy lines
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
haha ok I didn't even look at the bus one until now
if anything that just seems like someone writing jokes on his own (eg the "start her car" one) then throwing them up on twitter
― tumblr white's secret kool-aid drinker (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
as the number of racist quotable twitters increases, the chance of a racially sensitive one appearing approaches 1
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
well 'not being racist' isn't really a thing you can (or should have to) applaud people for doing, not-racism is everywhere if you think about it
― lame adele rey (some dude), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
@shitmycatsays
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
I really wanted GhettoSommelier to be a parody
"I work as a sommelier in a michelin starred restaurant. I write down the best things customers (of all races) say
Ayo Mister, dis merlot STANK! Get it the fuck outta mah face, and bring me a 40 of dat '78 cab"
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
xp to some dude: http://gawker.com/5874912
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
― lame adele rey (some dude), Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:09 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
iirc in the pitchfork review, he just said "i got snow, man" and the "dat" was just added out of thin air
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
oh right, i forgot how the line went. also i looked it up and it was a pitchfork guy in the voice :(
― lame adele rey (some dude), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
there is no way that @ghettohikes is real
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
Tardblog is way old, I'm sure I read it back when I was in Uni which was nearly 10 years ago. IIRC some of the stories were kind of cute if you take them out of the horrible context. I vaguely remember it had links to Tucker Max at the time although I didn't know what that was.
― kinder, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah it even says '(c) Tucker Max' at the bottom, of some posts, ha
― kinder, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:45 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
why not? seems a lot more real than texts from bennett imo
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
i was going to post this but feared a "posts very much in character" c&p
― buzza, Friday, 13 January 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm guessing ghettohikes is "real."
― nah (crüt), Friday, 13 January 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
Check out the Reddit conversation on this. Commenters are throwing out the racism card like it’s going outta style. “Urban” is “urban”………relax. It’s an entertaining read and an expected Reddit time waster.
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 January 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
“Urban” is “urban”………relax.
full title of the Das Racist album
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
"Mr. Cody, lemme borrow them monoculars, I think I see a pack of bald eagles."
*dies laughing*
― buzza, Friday, 13 January 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's not that funny, which is part of why i think it's probably real
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
oh hey awesome not only is ghettohike on twitter but there is a tumblr
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lximlxAEjv1r9jpslo1_500.jpg
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
he must be really embarrassed that he typed "the cookouts" instead of "da cookouts" in that one
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's written exactly how a white dude would think black kids would talk.
there's no fucking way 12 year olds are cracking Jumanji jokes.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
no one says 'where the cookouts and shit' either. speaking w/ a dialect doesnt mean that your sentences are missing words
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2012 08:27 (twelve years ago) link
I hear people say "where the ____" without a verb all the time.
― nah (crüt), Friday, 13 January 2012 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
"You fuckin' crazy Ervin, it'd be hard as fuck to pogo stick out here."
guilty lol.
― Ned Trifle X, Friday, 13 January 2012 09:25 (twelve years ago) link
― nah (crüt), Friday, January 13, 2012 3:01 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I've heard ppl say "where there are" and maybe slurring together 'there'&'are' like "there'r" but i dont think i've ever heard someone say "where the cookouts ...." and then just trail off. unless they had, like, a brain slip or were just generally dumb? idk i cant think of a time ive ever heard someone just drop off the verb entirely? it reads more like a baby's understanding of conveying ideas to me.
although i guess trying to find the logic in a racist's attempt to transcribe 'how black people talk' is the real problem
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2012 10:04 (twelve years ago) link
i've heard people say 'where the keys?' or i've said that, sure, but that's a different sentence than 'isn't this the park where the cookouts?' ... where the cookouts what? whereas in the first its implied that you're dropping "[where] are [the keys] located?"
idk it just reads like either a mistranscription or a made-up transcription the way it is imo
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2012 10:07 (twelve years ago) link
could be terrible punctuation. "Ain't this a park? Where the cookouts and shit?"
nb still horrible
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
i remember many years ago reading an essay about the transcription of working class voices in Charles Dickens and Robert Tressell that examined similar issues of a "neutral" representation that codes as mockery on the page. i'm guessing mr ghettohikes hasn't put any thought into this...for some reason
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
and this is the board where "where the tittays at" was a long-running joke
― Derartu Cthulhu (NickB), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:16 (twelve years ago) link
"tittays" is hilarious in a way that "dat" just ain't?
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:17 (twelve years ago) link
Just found out that for years I've been saying "Where's the white women at" when I should be saying "Where the white women at" :-(
― Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:23 (twelve years ago) link
you need to watch Blazing Saddles more
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:24 (twelve years ago) link
That's not possible
― Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:25 (twelve years ago) link
p sure it's 'where all the white women at' but will re-screen tbs
PS young frankenstein much better obv
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
... not that old debate again
― Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:38 (twelve years ago) link
"all" might well be in there but it doesn't change the construction
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:40 (twelve years ago) link
that's the kinda slack attitude that made great britain broken britain
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
... highest British attention to the wrong detail
― Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Friday, 13 January 2012 11:44 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s492PMdIaJs
― David Blohard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
^part 2 def has a "where the" construction
― David Blohard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think that pic upthread needs a comma
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
i would give it another question mark and just make it two sentences
― David Blohard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
btw, p sure part two of the beloved 'whered the cheese go' jingle is racist
― David Blohard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzvL4O3uomg
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
There are probably more racist Ween songs.
― beachville, Friday, 13 January 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
By which I mean, Ween songs that are more racist than that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtss49n9mMI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=333w6NhGQVM
― David Blohard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 January 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
Secret ilxor Sunny Sweeney, ladies and gentlemen!
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/kingkonggodzilla/sweendawg.jpg
― beachville, Friday, 13 January 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 January 2012 06:09 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
obviously the correct interpretation
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah - though now that I can see the sentence that D-40 thought it was, he seems less crazy.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 January 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
He began his career by publishing The Definitive Book of Pick-Up Lines (2001), which he followed up by Belligerence and Debauchery: The Tucker Max Stories (2003). Max was the facilitator of the website "Tard Blog", from 2002- 2003.[21][22]
― am0n, Friday, 13 January 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
I have heard "jumanji" as slang in the last year, fwiw. Not by a 12-year-old per se, but maybe it's just in the ether right now.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
probably after that ohio zoo incident
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
jumanji still gets played on like abc family all the time, it's obviously not a lion king-level evergreen kids' movie but i think plenty of present day kids are familiar with it
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
who's the second ween jingle being racist towards? sounds like a vaguely north of england accent with some other stuff mixed in to me.
― sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Friday, 13 January 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
it's racist against cheese-loving mice
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
"You should bring girls out here to nature, Mr. Cody. Sing Kumbaya or some shit and just watch the pants drop."
insufficiently "ghetto"
― buzza, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
what about the Seinfeld episode where Kramer meets the Japanese tourists and has them sleeping in his "chest of drawers"?
― frogbs, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
haha you just had to pick one of the seinfeld episodes that is more about unquestioningly reinforcing stereotypes rather than deconstructing them, didn't you dude
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh n/m haha i thought we were on the 'best sitcom episode ever' thread, me dumb
lolllllllllllllll
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― ENBB, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think the vernacular in question is technically "dialect" /pedant /possiblywrongpedant
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 13 January 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/aw23j.jpg
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
um
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
that probably belongs in the bizarre stock images threadlike, what kind of company could possibly want that?
― frogbs, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/60-completely-unusable-stock-photos
― ENBB, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
that's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet
― caek, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Oh shit, it is. Good call.
― ENBB, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
I knew that and still
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
he's black because he fell down the chimney (which is also how he got his afro)
― caek, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/29/17/enhanced-buzz-14896-1301433687-7.jpg
I am just gonna link this without commentary (I know it's not applicable to the thread)
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
increase profits w/ pineapple man
― Mordy, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
xp ha you would think, right?
― caek, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
lol britain ca. 1995
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Lee_(footballer)
― caek, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
that stock photo article is one of the greatest things ever. the only one that made sense was the future lady injecting the corn
― frogbs, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
the old people w/ the rabbit might be my fav
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
omg that wikipedia article
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 13, 2012 1:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idk i'm not a linguist, so this was based on my passing attempt to understand how this stuff works from context, but how do you mean?
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
as usual ,white kids make acoustic cover of viral video...racist? you make the call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoo8K0C29ic
― Neanderthal, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
https://twitter.com/#!/search/ghettohikes%20racist
― human trash (buzza), Monday, 16 January 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
the original version is like my number one least favorite type of modern humor. Shit makes the Donald Glover tv show look like Curb Your Enthusiasm, real talk
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 January 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r_Ua8iOR0g8
not to beat this horse, but i think the original version of SHITHEAD is "post-modern youtube minstrel show" in the same way as Tim & Eric's endless daggering buddies and Black Keys' dancing "lonely boy" where its this super suspect "crew of white people* make black people act wacky, post it to CollegeHumor and white people will pass it around all day from the safety of their mac minis"
And like every time I bring this up, ppl are like "uh, ok whiney, maybe people just like funny videos/Y U SO SENSITIVE/lol white guilt," but its clearly this huge trend that keeps repeating itself over and over and over and gets no less http://www.soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspect5es.gif every time i see it
*one of the THANKSCOMPUTER dudes is nonwhite, but neither of them are black
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
tim & eric did the black keys video too, didn't they? or is that what you meant. anyway those fuckin guys.
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
dude, i have no idea if they directed it or no, but i wouldnt be shocked
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182892_10150100836795737_363957590736_6837697_6307829_n.jpg
"Hey, OK, so your next line is. 'I'M SHITHEAD AND I CAN ONLY COUNT TO SIX. WHAT THE HECK COME AFTER SIX?" Got it?'"
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
don't think i have ever seen anyone using a mac mini
― ain't nothing nice (bnw), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
hmm nah apparently they didn't direct it, not sure where i got that from. those fuckin guys still stands, though, obv.
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
lol i have a mac mini
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
racism 2 of 10funny 1 of 10 (bono made me smile)
tim and eric is funnier then that imo
mac mini definitely more offensive.
― ain't nothing nice (bnw), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think we can all agree that shithead is awful
2,839 people did a WHITE flipTheMyleneh 4 days ago 31
don't even want to know
― dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 12:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah can we save this thread for things that would actually be mildly offensive
― frogbs, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
rolling "even frogbs knows this is racist" thread
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
http://louisvsrick.com/post/16010782829/episode-12-the-bad-cats
― dayo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
re: the bad cats
i was thinking long and hard about this post-Chappelle/Mencia "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE 'BLACK' DEBBIE"-style humor that's just everywhere right now. Like acknowledging racism exists equals a joke on shit like Archer and Family Guy and most of the internet. Like even in "I'm Shithead" there's this "AND IM DEFINITELY NOT ASIAN" throwaway line that really adds nothing but "hey, think about race, I know right?" 100 percent of the time it does more to re-enforce racial stereotypes than confront them in any way. Like it def seems like Wonder Shozen at least tried to put a political spin on it most of the time.
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is why Curb Your Enthusiasm and It's Always Sunny etc. tend to be really wearying for me.
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, at least on Curb or South Park, there's a real Archie Bunker style attitude towards racism where it's like Frank or Cartman are obviously loathsome people who have bad opinions about race.
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
er, Sunny or South Park.
Curb I think tries to do Louis-style meditations on white guilt (ie, the ep about nodding at black ppl), but isn't as good with that stuff. I do think the black doctor on Curb who was incapable of doing his job after hearing the n-word was pretty misguided bit tho
― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney's continued evolution into the new Morbius is getting closer every time he posts "the Donald Glover TV show".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i mean those shows aren't totally wrongheaded about it or anything and HAVE done undeniably funny things in that vein, but it's enough of the core of their approach to comedy that i get tired of it quick (xpost)
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
i'd like whiney to update the rolling "Is Das Racist?" thread with his opinion of the new heems/childish gambino heatrock
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
I thought the point of Always Sunny is that the characters are so bad at relating to other humans in general that getting "how to not be racist" wrong is the least of their worries. The joke always seems not to be that they're racist, but that they have some idea of how they're supposed to act and it's so wrongheaded or misinterpreted.
I can't think of any Archer moments about race off the top of my head, but Family Guy always annoys me any time they try to talk about anything serious whatsoever
― mh, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
family guy is too obv going for "omg lol i can't believe they said that!" reactions from t*mblr wh*tes, cf elizabeth smart.
― omar little, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
haha the elizabeth smart joke i mean, though she may have a tumblr
the Dumbo crows joke was probably the best race joke Family Guy ever did
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
I just watched an episode of the doco series on those guys who do the terrible viral YouTube local ads - "Commercial Kings" - and it was one I havent seen online, a salon aimed at black customers where the owner was trying to do a pitch to "non black ladies" and I was squirming with discomfort all the way thru at how they were handling the jokes... I dunno if I was being oversensitive?
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
Like, thew 2 twats who make these ads are so hipster it would make Whiney's eyeballs bleed, maybe that doesnt help matters.
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i havent seen it but was it stolen from paul mooney?
― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:38 (twelve years ago) link
this is the difference between Family Guy and South Park for me, SP has a lot of gay-bashing, racial humor, anti-Semitism, etc. etc., but they always manage to paint it through the eyes of some pretty deplorable characters, whereas Family Guy will just straight up do a cutaway where an Asian person is in a car and "LOL THEY CAN'T DRIVE!"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
The LOL Muslims/ 'any Middle Eastern people, but obviously not Israelis, y' know Arabs and Muslims and dudes who wear turbans' in Family Guy is pretty repulsive (to this UK viewer at least)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
Besides Cleveland, was there ever a non-white character on the show where they didn't immediately call attention to the character's race?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thesharkguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ollie.jpg
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
you mean Ollie Williams of the Blaccu-Weather Forecast
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
whiney I think you've got a lotta good points here but the "make black people act wacky" thing above, that whole agency-denying aspect of white people like you & me describing the motivations of nonwhite ppl - that is a bad look imo
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
p. sure that in family guy the deplorable character through whose eyes we are seeing lol stereotypes is an implied omnipresent narrator or w/e ie no they don't have a character buffer btwn the viewer and the depiction but i'd disagree that it's somehow a flat, literal and unironic statement of belief for all that
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
lol i've never heard them say "Blaccu-Weather"
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UBlZcZSE0
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
ie no they don't have a character buffer btwn the viewer and the depiction but i'd disagree that it's somehow a flat, literal and unironic statement of belief for all that
I have no problem believing that as far as the misogyny goes.
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
I remember some interviewer that was grilling Seth on this and he just kept saying "well, Peter is supposed to be an idiot, so everything he says is wrong", which is fine, but that ignores that there is a ton of racism in the show outside of "the dumb shit that Peter says", something that even "edgier" shows like South Park doesn't have
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
that's not really true, there is plenty of racism in all of these shows to fill everyone's daily allotment
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
there's always been a distinction for me, not just with Family Guy but also shows like Mind of Mencia and 2 Broke Girls. I don't remember where I read this but basically the saying goes "the funnier you are, the more offensive you can be" which IMO is pretty OTM, shows like Chappelle's are pretty clever which makes you feel like the writers are going for laughs on another dimension than just "stereotypes lol"
like I don't have a problem with racist humor, but if it's not funny (or doesn't try to be) then what are you left with?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
^ seems to me to be the point of this thread, it's the funny!/not funny! game with "racist!" in place of "not funny!"
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
i refuse to be the frogbs pawn in this pond
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
(not beefing, mind) xp
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
i mean it's obviously all "racist" to some degree, i think the better question is "is this offensive?" which IMO most posters ITT aren't really going to be good judges of
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
...
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
(maybe I should have changed my display name before posting that)
hahahahahahahaha
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
@frogbs Not so much "is this joke reenforcing the oppression/stereotyping of non-whites", more "as a white person is it OK if I laugh at/listen to/watch this"
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
You can deal with racial humor or racist stereotypes without actually being racist, it's just a really difficult task because to some people even acknowledging a race-based stereotype is seen as racist.
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
does anyone actually feel like watching/listening to racial humor is "not okay" because it'll turn them into racists? (or...?)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
... because, in the case of Family Guy, it's boring shite that you could probably have gotten away with in the UK like 30 years ago
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
i.e. 'Allo, 'Allo?
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
Well, it's old hat, red nose humour
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:14 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but the flipside of this, which i thought Whiney was getting at in a worthwhile way, is that to some people acknowledging a race-based stereotype in any kind of knowing or humorous or ironically distanced way absolves you of any kind of possibility of seeming racists or approaching the subject tastefully or responsibly. there's a bit of a naughty 'ain't I a stinker' hue to it as well as a strong whiff of 'if I bring this subject up AND preemptively signal that I'm not endorsing a racist mindset in the same breath I can preempt any accusations of being a racist' maneuvering. at some point this WAS a clever and perhaps even smart way to deal with this kind of thing, but now that it's a standard tool of every 3rd show on TV and is often done really reflexively and carelessly, it's just kind of nauseating.
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, exactly that.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
I pretty much agree with that with the unfortunate caveat that ironic racist caricature heavily informs most of my current favorite shows
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
sorry that tosh.0 is your favorite show
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
the really sad thing is that I did actually watch Tosh.0 for like three weeks before going "wait, NO"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Tosh.0 is basically just videos of ppl throwing up on each other and dick jokes, right?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Tosh is actually one of the people guilty of that sort of thing who I don't mind as much because there's so little distance between him and the joke, he's not playing a fictional character or voicing a goofy-looking cartoon or putting his words in the mouth of a minority to soften the blow, he just stands up there saying the horrible noxious but sometimes pretty funny thing as himself and lets you think whatever you want about him.
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I appreciate that Tosh doesn't really try to defend himself at all nor does he ever pretend his show is supposed to be anything more than crass jokes and gross/funny videos, the reason why I'll defend him over Family Guy is that he's a lot funnier and doesn't always go the obvious route the way FG does
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
when was the last time you actually watched Family Guy
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
are you seriously getting haughty about people underestimating the nuance of Seth MacFarlane
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
are you seriously getting haughty about somebody stanning in a ridiculous manner on ilx
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
can we all stop using the word haughty? it reminds me of a constipated horse
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
hee-haughty
― buzza, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
I'm getting haughty about people overestimating the nuance of Tosh.0!
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://documents.clubexpress.com/clubs/289698/graphics/The_Haughty_Horse_Logo_2011.jpg
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
I watch it a lot at the gym b/c the machines I use are generally stationed in a place where I have to choose between that, "Uncover Boss", or "The X Factor", I don't know how many new-ish episodes I've seen but I've watched more of it than I want to admit
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:13 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OTM. the family guy's misogyny is pervasive, nasty and seemingly undistanced. i find it much more offensive than the lol racism bullshit.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
"uncover boss" sounds like the worst game show ever
― blurgh (jjjusten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
depends on yr boss
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
now if you'll excuse me, I need to get Ms. Berry her latte
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
iunno man, like tosh is like the exact same anarchic attitude towatds humor that perpetuates "I'm Shithead" where like "funny = funny," and you're not supposed to think about how terrible it really is. I really think the internet is like a glowing id that lets people live out their basest shocky impulses to say the n-word and look at vaginas and laugh at car crash victims all day. Television shows should be commenting on that instead of reflecting it.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Like all the jokes in "I'm Shithead" really are like id shock buzzwords barely tramsmuted through "post-modern youtube culture": "anal," "asian," "AIDS," "black," "drunk."
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
thats sorta just comedy tho tbf
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
whiney what does your display name mean
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
thats sorta just comedy tho now tbf
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:11 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
kind of happy i have no idea what "i'm shithead" is beyond whiney's descriptions of it
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
dayo, i dunno, its a joek about unp3rs0n changing his display name to "誤訳侮辱"
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney is OTM here
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh man just watching that for the first time. what the fuck.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
yah
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
"should be"...why?
i think you kind of have to realize there is a difference between finding someone funny or enjoying their show and wanting to emulate that person or thinking that you're full on endorsing that guy. though Tosh seems to be completely different in his interviews, even if he really is a terrible person I'd still enjoy his show.
i get that, but this isn't really what Tosh does
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
Tosh played the video on his show!
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
no lie i had a dumb running joke with a friend of mine, years ago, that he should pretend "shithead" was like a classic irish name his family gave him
come to think of it, didn't someone do a "Sithéad O'Connor" d/n at some point?
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
i should do a whole whiney style post w/ outraged hyperbole that paraphrases your post but its a stuffy victorian lady complaining abt punch and judy hahaha but yknow
i dont think yr wrong really and the sort of casually knowing distancing that shows like family guy engage in that some ppl seem to think allows them to reinforce racist thinking w/o being complicit in 'racism' is gross and all over the place and tired. but the unsanctioned id is p central to what lots of comedy has always done and it pains me to admit it but frogsters kinda right: its either funnie or its not and if ribald and bawdy and racist offends cool peace theres always p.g. wodehouse novels and collections of newyorker cartoons
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
p.g. wodehouse was pretty racist, dude
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
Television shows should be commenting on that instead of reflecting it.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:08 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
isn't that what Tosh does by playing "I'm Shithead" on his show and constructing jokes around it? i mean ok big devil's advocate argument there.
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
JOEKS
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
:D slow
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I'm sure that episode had some real tut-tutting and finger-wagging from Daniel Tosh
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
wow goole that is incredibly offen- nah fuckit who'm i kidding
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
well again i haven't seen it or the bit he did. but a lot of times when he shows a video he'll do like 10 jokes of it and half of them are at the expense of whatever the original joke is and then half of them are more subtly about the people who made the video and/or the people who made it popular on youtube. (xpost)
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
anyway lamp has a point, cutting through your most polite and considerate instincts with something silly or mean or wrong is a HUGE part of comedy and is neither purely a good thing or a bad thing, which is all the more reason to try to be discriminating about this sort of thing and seperate the stuff from the stuff
pg wodehouse str8 up hated everyone except jeeves
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
whoa im shithead is pretty weird
― max, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
yes, "weird"...
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like im missing something about it
― max, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
like its so *unnecessarily* racist
don't feel like it needs a giant amount of explication tbh
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
the necessity line is a tricky one with racism tbf
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/flickr/f/7/Mason-Dixon_Line_3664895303_25d965a85d.jpg
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
snap
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney OTM re Tosh
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I thought this was pretty great when he did the "child porn" segment (where children would act out famous porno scenes in more or less innocent ways), where the joke soon became about the desperate parents who actually allowed their children to be used in this way.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
famous porno scenes?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, stuff like "shake that bear"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
he really stuck it to those parents, what a great commentary on this thing that he himself constructed
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
unless the cp thing was a viral vid i missed
think youre kinda missing the point
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
doosh.0
― am0n, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't watch the "I'm Shithead" tosh segment but I'm really gonna be surprised if the subtext is "you're racist for enjoying this thing we put on national TV"
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
haha that's the subtext of every Tosh segment though
― some dude, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
errr aint no sub about it
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt see it either but i don't think he really calls out the audience much - usually just the people who make the videos
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
@heyjeannie Casual racism is harmful and perpetuates negative and outdated stereotypes? Impossibru! #altreddit
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone here interacted with this piece of media that's been posted about for the last few hours
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
me watch 'shithead' one day
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Hi, haven't checked in for a while but the Whiney angle that some dude extrapolated on is one I agree with completely. Going "whooa, this is a racial stereotype, good thing we aren't racists!" is pretty much the cheapest thing people are doing on tv.
I mean, other than america's funniest tosh.0
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Going "whooa, this is a racial stereotype, good thing we aren't racists!" is pretty much the cheapest thing people are doing on tv.
can't OTM this enough. there was a time, not so long ago, when "ironic" mock-racism arguably had some real subversive power. this power was dependent on unacceptability, on genuine offensiveness. the shock and discomfort it generated could be used to call attention to pervasive racism that might otherwise go unmentioned.
once it became an ordinary part of everyone's comic arsenal, however, it lost this power and became a mechanism for the perpetuation and normalization of racist thinking. it no longer said "people are racist, and it's totally fucked." instead, it began to say "people are racist, this is what everybody thinks, and hey, what are you gonna do?"
which might be a good thing in certain regards, i dunno...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
the "i'm not saying, i'm just saying some people might say" approach
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
thinking of writing a song called "Everybody Knows You're Racist"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
"this is what everybody thinks"...?
i mean, obviously we're familiar with these stereotypes, but suggesting that people think they're anything more strikes me as a little off
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer otm
I honestly think the tipping point for that was Chappelle's Show being a wildly sophisticated show that people were just too stupid to fully understand on the level it demanded.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
there is a lot of OTM there; it's half of why Chappelle pulled the plug on it (the other half being "too much pressure, must smoke weed and play WoW")
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
uhhh, what?I realize that Chappelle's Show dealt with these issues pretty intelligently but to call it "wildly sophisticated" is going to raise a few eyebrows
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
damn dude, how many eyebrows do you have
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
from wildly sophisticated posted frogbs
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Imagining this to the tune of Jeff Buckley's "Everybody Here Wants You."
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
i mean it was definitely levels above a lot of what came after but there was still an awful lot of "white people derp derp derp, black people doot doot doot"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
what do colombian people say?
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
I like how black people are inherently musical in frgobs's subconscious
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
As an Chappelle example from IRL, I knew someone parroting back the "itis" routine after a particularly big BBQ dinner. He honestly had no idea what the slang word really meant or what it was short for or what its history was—which is something Chappelle clearly expected from his audience—he just thought it was a funny way to say 'full of BBQ." When he had it explained, he was pretty fucking mortified.
Pretty sure that happened like 100 times a day on college campuses ca. 2003
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.photocase.com/stock-photos/38361-stock-photo-woman-green-eyes-near-frog-eyebrow.jpg
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
what the hell are you talking about?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think for a lot of people Chapelle was being contemporary, but for a lot of people (and the target market of Comedy Central) it aimed high as far as audience maturity and experience. Not that a good cable audience would have existed, other than maybe a premium channel where the barrier to entry was higher and people would have to seek it out or rely on word of mouth. Instead, the same people who thought dressing up as Aunt Jemima for their drinking parties were watching.
Now the standard tv audience is doing this knowing nod "that's so racist, I'm not a racist" shuck and jive. That worked occasionally when you got the feeling the writers or performers were working from a post-racial stereotype angle and being ridiculous, but usually it's just lazy shorthand for "race humor is awkward, awkward is funny"
x-p did Chapelle say "the itis?" I remember it more from Boondocks
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, 100% agree with everything that people are saying all day re: "I'm Shithead" which sucks and don't watch it if you haven't, I wish I didn't.
I do feel that this thread/ILX in general casts its net a little wide w/finding offense in comedy sketches, tho. Apparently two people on this board think Tim and Eric is minstrelsy? Whoa.
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Chappelle had a fake commercial (starring Rashida Jones iirc) about a sleep aid for African-Americans called "Ribs" that worked by triggering "The Itis" (side-effects could include "mudbutt")
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNh_mQo9fXo
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
(Not defending Tim & Eric in terms of "funniness"-- not my thing, really) xp
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
which commercial was Rashida Jones in? they are all kind of blurring together for me
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
(frogbs: have you looked back at your post and figured out what I was talking about yet)
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
they all blur together in my daydreams, and they are all amazing and star Rashida Jones
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
parroting terms that white people generally don't know the history of != "wildly sophisticated"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
now i have chappelle's "i'm the black sheep the real black sheep, doodley doot doot doodley doo" song stuck in my head
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
the "skeet skeet" bit was pretty sophisticated
I don't know from itis.
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
you're reaching pretty damn hard, but someday you'll get there
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, what are we assuming "itis" is short for?
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
mh is white, btw
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, dan was joking.
― nah (crüt), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
titis
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
i hadn't seen the sketch or the boondocks ep. what is 'itis' short for and what is its history?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
i wasn't aware of 'the itis' having any racist subtext tbh
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
i think we're all about to learn something very interesting from whiney, or about whiney.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+itis
3rd def down
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.i seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not really sure how it makes a show 'wildly sophisticated' if 90% of your white audience (and some % of your black audience?) isn't going to get a throwaway joke
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
haha i cannot tell if mh is fucking with us by casually using "shuck and jive" in this way
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
The itisFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The itis is a Caribbean term in Black American Vernacular English to describe a condition of sleepiness associated with eating meats and sauces, a real human phenomena known as food coma. The term "itis" or "The itis" actually derives from its racial(ist) connotation "*****ritis" with the racist word later being dropped as usage of the term came to the U.S. This word derives from slave owners trying to describe why slaves did not want to work after eating. After slavery was abolished, their replacements (the Indian "coolies"鈥攁nother racist term) did such work in order to appease the former slave owners.
The foods commonly considered to be soul foods are generally high in both fat and carbohydrates, and are thus more likely to induce sleepiness. The suffix -itis, while used clinically to describe an inflammation, has come in the public mind to refer to any medical condition, along with -osis. With the advent of modern popular culture and the popularity of black comedians in the United States, the concept of the "Itis" has moved beyond its provincial roots and has become fairly well known throughout American culture, and to a certain extent beyond.
[edit] The itis in popular cultureComedian Dave Chappelle, on his program Chappelle's Show, featured a joke advertisement for a sleep aid specifically for black consumers known as "ribs," consisting of pork ribs cooked in barbeque sauce, explaining that it induces a state known as "the itis." Aaron McGruder's cartoon program The Boondocks featured an episode where the grandfather opened a soul food restaurant named "The Itis" serving the Luther Burger. Customers would reserve a table and, following their meal, would rent naptime in a bed provided by the restaurant.
You see when any person take food the blood is diverted to the 21 feet of intestine, hence reducing the amount of oxygen to brain, hence the body compensates by stopping all physical activities so that vital organs receive blood & oxygen . So the best option is put the person to sleep, a normal physiological phenomena.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol are you guys for real that you couldn't actually infer that
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Itis??? This is a "thing" that is, like, A THING?!? Have never heard it in my life, just watched Chapelle skit and it's making like two iotas more sense but not much.
xxxxxxxxxp holy shit
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
had no idea (about 'itis' or the word it comes from)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
unless you know the original slur, you would have no ability to make that inference!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
"a real human phenomena known as food coma."
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
SCIENCE
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
This is literally the first time I've heard "itis" or its etymological parent
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
"racial(ist)"
This phenomena is more common after lunch.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
[/unsophistication]
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
I must be hanging out with the right people (for a change), never heard so much as a stray mention.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
Related information
Can regular doses of apirin cause anal bleeding and diarohea ?Not by itself. Aspirin is a blood thinner, so if you have other gastro-intestinal problems or hemmorhoids, it could.
...How do i go about raising money for myself so i can get gastric bypass surgery i so badly need ?Get a job.
still waiting to hear how this makes Chappelle more sophisticated than Tosh or MacFarlane (not saying he isn't, but this isn't really a good example)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
frogs you are the dumbest asshole
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
:B
― ¯\(ツ)/¯ (am0n), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
maybe you should go back and watch the show again? christ dude fuck off then
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
I've heard of/regularly employed the term "the itis" but I never knew it was short for that. Whoops.
― nah (crüt), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
I only assumed it was a generic term for coming down with something… bronchitis, labyrinthitis, blahblahblahitis, etc.
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
Bf sez: "You don't know what it means b/c you don't smoke pot / didn't grow up watching In Living Colour"
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
I'm mostly shocked that you guys didnt watch Chappelle's Show when it was on
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even own a TV
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
smh @ an American adding a British u to an American TV show name
― nah (crüt), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
I did, but I guess I didn't catch some of the references.
Didn't get the sex jokes on Golden Girls in its original run either.
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
he's canadian iirc
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
well then, smh @ me
― nah (crüt), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
saying "In Living Colour" is not so much British as mixing it up with the similarly named popular band of the same era
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
smuh
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
― pplains, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I remember asking my mom what a condom was via a GG episode
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
GG ballin
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
I did watch Chappelle's Show when it was on! Every episode, and bought the dvds years later, even though an ex still has them.
I honestly did not know the genesis of "the itis" and I am now finding it hilarious because Chappelle aimed high enough in that instance to go over my head with my lack of experience/knowledge. It's kind of awesome in a way that I didn't get everything and I should watch the show yet again.
nah, I just deploy terms like that on threads about racism without any ironic intent (lol)
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
funny that someone mentioned p.g. wodehouse cuz p.g. wodehouse was my first exposure to the nword; i had no idea what it was and in retrospect it's an amazing stroke of luck that i didn't use it out loud in the year or so between reading it and finding out what it meant
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
Actually I was quoting bf and he distinctly said "colour"
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
"via" or "because of", because I really hope you mean "via"
"Mom, I have something to ask you... *presses play*"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
^ I had the same thought, lol
― nah (crüt), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
what episode of gg was wgw on?
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
I think this could accurately be described as "sophisticated" unless you go to like Ron Paul rallys
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
hilarious because I'm laughing at my own ignorance, and because holy shit did Chappelle cut deep with one throwaway comment
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
*rallies
btw I'm not arguing that they didn't do things that were sophisticated or that the average viewer wouldn't get, but I still don't think its a great descriptor of the show in general
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
I think Chappelle probably had a more nuanced view of race in America than any tv show in history
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
all in the family
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
nah man st:tng
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
weren't the ferengi just supposed to be space-jewish?
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
SIMONTRIFE: haha ferengiRonan909: FERENGISIMONTRIFE: space-jews SIMONTRIFE: they were the bad space-jews, vulcans were the good space-jews SIMONTRIFE: vulcans have thousands of years of culture and arts and are very solemn and wise SIMONTRIFE: the ferengi control all the money and will screw you over for it
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
besides some references to things more deep-seeded in black culture I'm not sure what it is the average viewer doesn't get. I think everyone understood that Chappelle was smarter with racial humor than most other shows.
btw it's been like 6-7 years since I last watched most of the episodes as I don't really find the show nearly as funny as I used to. so maybe some things did go over my head but I don't think the show was at all hard to get.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
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― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
(i was jk)
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
everytime someone says/c&p's that i think "you've never heard the n-word?"
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
you're tricksy like a romulan
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
"sophisticated" doesn't mean "hard to get," frogbs. thats something Community fans tell themselves while polishing the jizz and beard hair off their mensa cards
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
can a tv show be sophisticated about race
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
consider this: advertisements
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
the n word spelled itis
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
i thought everyone watched Chappelle, if you believe J0rdan S
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
talk of "the itis" is weird, because chapelle's show was where i first heard the contracted version and learned that it meant food coma.
when i was a teen, certain kids used the uncontracted version as a way of describing the (presumed) general laziness of black people.
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― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
tis true, but it still smacks of something that people say to make their favorite shows appear more important than they actually were
I mean Chappelle's show has been eulogized and jizzed over so much since it went off the air that its almost jarring to watch it now and think "wait, this was it?", it's like calling Arrested Development "the smartest sitcom of all time" because it had better gay jokes
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not saying that Chappelle Show wasn't wildly hit or miss; because man, when that show was OFF, ugh. Plus it was like 90% filler, musical guests, commercials, bumpers and talking
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
it's like calling Arrested Development "the smartest sitcom of all time" because it had better gay jokes
uh p sure that was frasier tbf
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Right, I mean one of the things I remember most about Chappelle's show is how little content there actually was. I swear it had more commercials than any other show on the network. Its even worse now since entire sketches are built on premises that only really worked in 2003/2004. I get that it seemed to deal with race better than most but it still made a lot of the same jokes everyone else was.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
thread needs more jizz
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
whiney using omg BEARDS as shorthand for "the worst kind of people in the world" is like watching a guy attempt a shooting spree and putting a bullet into his own leg
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
i think neck beards is implied
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.cjdaweasel.com/holder/jesusgun.jpg
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
I am p surprised that ppl didn't know what the itis comes from. I think chapelle was maybe where I first heard it but have always known it from that meaning. Never heard anyone say it irl unless they meant it in that context. Nb most of the times I have heard it irl involved the kids I used to work with who used it more broadly just to mean laziness but not nec food induced.
― ENBB, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know any black ppl tbh
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
Never heard 'itis' either. I got a kindle for Christmas and the first (free) book I downloaded was a genteel war-time British murder mystery with the actual n-bomb in there clear as day, it properly took me aback. Lol Agatha Christie.
― kinder, Thursday, 19 January 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
Holy shit @ "itis."
I had ZERO clue.
I have used that word, but I'm pretty sure it started when I changed the words to the Happy Mondays song "Lazyitis."
I'm reviewing my 20s and 30s trying to remember if I've used that word in front of any black people b/c it's bad enough that I said it in my family.
― Je55e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
A few years ago I waited tables w/ a black girl. One evening our boss made her come in for her shift despite having a bad cold. While we were waiting to be sat she was sniffling and hacking and looking really miserable, so to show sympathy, I said, "Aww, who's a sick monkey?" and for a minute she rallied enough to set me straight about racist connotations of certain terms.
I honest to God had no idea that I was saying something racially charged. My mom called me a monkey, a friend and I sometimes affectionately called each other monkeys, and just never occurred to me that it might not always be OK to say.
It turned out OK. I apologized till I almost puked and told her I was a fucking oblivious jackass, and she didn't hold it against me, but fuck, what a stupid blind spot.
― Je55e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
the first (free) book I downloaded was a genteel war-time British murder mystery with the actual n-bomb in there clear as day, it properly took me aback. Lol Agatha Christie.
― kinder, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:32 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
original title of and then there were none = ten little n-bombs. no lie! was published in the UK under that title until the late 70s.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
Je55e's story is like the IRL version of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0R3OjMcOqg
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
When I was a server in college I kept hearing a couple of my coworkers talk about the "Canadians" seated in their section, usually in a negative light. The first couple times I was genuinely confused, but didn't ask because I was new to the job and a little shy. Anyway, a couple days later one of these same guys came up to me and goes, "you're new, I had the hostess move that table of Canadians to your section, they don't tip for shit". Once I walked out to the floor I saw that it was an oh so charming code for "black people". Reason #1,434 why central Illinois sucks.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
Cant say I have ever in my life heard the "itis" phrase, not once, would have had no clue what it meant, but *might* have at least inferred close to it if I'd ever seen that Chapelle Show skit, which I havent (never seen any of that show tbh)
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't seen that Clerks scene in forever. I'd forgotten that his grandmother called him that. And Wanda Sykes!
Besides my being dumb I offer as an explanation the fact that I grew up near the Canadian border in Minnesota and Montana and the first time I ever met a black person was when visiting pastor came to our church when I was 11 or 12.
jvc, people in NC said that too.
― Je55e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
chapelle show was not a very good show just fyi
― roborally.rar (Lamp), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
it was a very, very flawed show that occasionally had some of the best comedy ever on tv.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://gasface.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/breast-milk.jpg
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
'one hot skit every ten episode average'
― roborally.rar (Lamp), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
the unfunny things were so unfunny that it made me suspicious of the funny things
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:45 (twelve years ago) link
one to ten ratio seems about right
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:46 (twelve years ago) link
a friend was born in a very small and almost exclusively white/hispanic town, and i am told by her mother that upon first seeing a black person, in a supermarket at the approximate age of four, she shrieked, pointed and loudly asked "what's wrong with that lady?" plus exclamation points. her mom had to explain that there were black people. the lady in question was allegedly cool about it.
not sure i believe this, but it's freaky either way.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i had no idea that "uppity" was racially charged at all, we've been using that word for years but hey it happens
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
the difference is most ppl would change their behavior
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 06:13 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs
― buzza, Thursday, 19 January 2012 06:46 (twelve years ago) link
Wait - "uppity" what? Is this a joke or am I missing something here? idgi.
Wanda Sykes in that scene was prob the best part of Clerks 2. Or when Jay does the Buff Bill Goodby Horses dance. That was good too.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
pussy troll was by some distance the highlight of clerks 2, come on now
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
I don't remember that at all. Let's be honest here - it was pretty awful.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 12:06 (twelve years ago) link
yes, yes it was
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 12:08 (twelve years ago) link
I still don't get the thing where if you've never heard black people called monkeys, you're supposed to instinctively go "Waaait a minute, maybe I shouldn't say this, this person I'm talking to might take it as a racial insult." It seems a little... racist?
Published initially in the states as Ten Little Indians! In order to avoid racism, you see.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
I still don't get the thing where if you've never heard black people called monkeys, you're supposed to instinctively go "Waaait a minute, maybe I shouldn't say this, this person I'm talking to might take it as a racial insult."
otm, not being American I found out about this by accident just recently (and had never used it fwiw)
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
What?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
You guys are being Randalls
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
its pretty offensive to suggest that movie had any highlights.
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
I don't care what you guys say about Chapelle Show, I probably love some of the horrible material as much as anything.
The fake commericals: Rockapads. The one where Redman is on a jetski in the toilet advertising a toilet bowl cleaner. I admit it.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'd probably be outraged, if I had any idea what you meant.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
its pretty offensive of you to not understand that rosario dawson will never not be a highlight, even in such a fan-servicing turdfest of a movie.
― Harvey Weewax (stevie), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
xp randall aka one of the two main protagonists of Clerks & Clerks II
Andrew: See most recent youtube in thread
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
*facepalm*
You're not supposed to instinctively know, but when someone points it out to you the correct response is not "oh, well I never heard it that way growing up so I'm going to continue to say it"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
you were looking for that "conversations that come up on ILX once a fortnight" thread, i believe
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
It certainly isn't an obscure or exclusively US thing, cf. soccerfootball fans throughout the ages throwing bananas onto the pitch, making monkey noises etc.
― ledge, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I will reshare when I went out with a mixed race black/white girl and called her "really tan".
― mute the wife (bnw), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
xxx-post DJP on point as always
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
I call my kids monkeys. Because they look like monkeys. Because people look like monkeys. Because we're primates. And my son was born in year of the monkey. And I've definitely, as a separate issue, been aware of the unpleasant racial connotations of the word. And now I'm wondering how I'm going to talk to my son about it so he doesn't turn into a Randall. : \
― beachville, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
Dude, I'm not saying that! I'm just surprised by eg Je55e describing himself for dumb for not knowing it beforehand. I have great respect for him not insisting on it in any way when called on it! Which I know shouldn't ideally be the sort of thing that gets you great respect, but if the internet has taught me anything it's that people = shit.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's okay to call white people monkeys I think
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ australians
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
wait your kids are white right kkvg
More of a cultural and not race thing but I knew someone (ok, dated) someone who pulled out this faux-knowledge of Muslims and Islamic culture where she thought that the preferred nomenclature was "Islamic people" and saying "Muslims" was offensive or some sort of claptrap and I'm trying to explain that it is not what my past friends who have actually lived in that culture said and then I'm kind of waving and pointing at wikipedia and articles online and she's disagreeing because she knows and...
oh god, why do we torture ourselves like this?
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
i have no self-consciousness calling white people (cheeky) monkeys because it connotes a little bit differently for some reason
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
tbf djp i don't think anyone's advocated any such response
tho it would be kinda worth seeing the reaction
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
"You cheeky monkey!" only works with Lancashire/Yorkshire accent
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:36 AM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
I call little kids monkeys all the time when they're being cute/silly. It's sort of my go-to pet name for kids, I think. I knew a black couple in college who had a baby together and the first time I met the baby I said "OMG what a cute little . . . " inside voice: don't say monkey, don't say monkey "bastard". The parents were not married and I'm not sure monkey wouldn't have been the less offensive choice in that situation.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
Suggest "chap"
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha enbb
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
classic material
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
cute little dumpling maybe
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
It was an irl Larry David moment for sure.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol totally
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
I've never called anyone either chap or dumpling but, sure, there were a million things I could have said at the time but I just froze and for some reason bastard was what I found coming out of my mouth before I could stop myself.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
calling little kids "monkey" is totally within the remit of this thread because it's often intended to be cute and innocent but the whole "this is also a term used to denigrate black people" thing makes it fraught with peril
calling adults "monkey" is a lot less ambiguous IME; I've never heard anyone use "monkey", "ape", "gorilla" etc to mean anything positive about someone
I think it's more when someone points out the horrible beginnings of these innocuous phrases, you feel dumb for not being more up on the history of things and coming off in a manner you didn't intend to portray at all. It's super difficult, too; thanks to the way humanity works, all sorts of seemingly innocent thingss have really horrible origins that someone will invariably take offense to (see: the unfortunate phase "eeny meeny miney moe" went through and defacing pictures by drawing horns on them having roots in anti-Semitism, to name a couple)
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
also E that story is amazing
I once told the parents of a new (adopted) child, that he was really wonderful, and if they got tired of him I'd be happy to take him. I was 12, though. They got really mad and never talked to me again.
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
ENBB, it is a Larry David moment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9jERprj5x0
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
i once told my niece i was taking her to the baby changing room at tescos cos she wet herself and she had a huge freak attack
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
I've called my son a "little bastard" in affection the other. I'm his adoptive parent and he's never met his biological one. I totally winced about it right afterward. Like, he knows the word but not its actual meaning.
― beachville, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
Beeps and I have off-and-on been working on her very public acknowledgment of people we see and what color they are.
BEEPS: Look, Daddy. That brown boy has a balloon!ME: You know, you can just say 'that boy has a balloon.'BEEPS: But I'm talking about the brown boy with the balloon, not the other one.ME: You mean the white boy without a balloon?
She also once pointed to Barack Obama on television and said, "Why does the president always have brown skin?" I guess when your memory begins in early 2009, it may in fact seem that way.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
other day.
LBI - lol. I don't think I've ever seen that episode.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
haha that is great
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
She also once pointed to Barack Obama on television and said, "Why does the president always have brown skin?"
... Ms. Palin then announced her intention to run for the presidency of the United States
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
I was unaware of the origin of the word "gyp" until high school. I thought it was just some old English word.
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
Aw, beeps. Kids noticing difference between people but not having any filters is one of the funniest things but must be really tough/embarrassing at time to manage.
When I was a kid and we were living in Key West we went out to dinner and were sat next to a table of very flamboyant and effeminate gay men. During dinner I loudly asked my parents why "those men over there" were "talking like ladies". They heard but luckily they thought it was hysterical.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
differenceS
People still misuse "gypsy" all the time in North America, probably due to a lack of Romani people or knowledge of that culture. I've read apologies saying it's OK, but... we live in a pretty culturally diverse society and you never know when the website you're commenting on is more international or cross-regional than it appears.
People definitely need to drop "he gypped me on a deal" out of their language, and I know my friend who posted she wanted to be a gypsy really meant she wanted somewhat of a nomadic lifestyle, but...
Then there's the case I mentioned on ilx of the dude who I knew in college who said "He jewed me out of $5!" and I instinctively punched him. He claimed that he never thought about the phrase?!?
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
last time i fought with nv was about gypsy/romany stuff iirv
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
"Gyp" over here means a pain or ache, never heard the other definition, though I imagine it's probably British
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
tbh I never even associated the term 'jipped' (which I think is the more common spelling?) with gypsies!
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
bit of a debate as i recall back in the heady days before My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding put an end to discrimination here in the UK
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
"gyp" is a weird one. I also didn't know where that came from until maybe five years ago or so? Also, we don't really have gypsies the here the way they do in Europe so we're a bit more removed from it which maybe makes it seem less offensive somehow? Not saying it's not a bad term - it obv is. Oh Lord this show and the comments on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAUmII_hcg
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
iatee, that is kind of why people don't realize it! And yeah, I always saw it as "jipped" in North America. It's divorced from the origin enough that people don't realize it, but it's definitely descended from an ethnic slur.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
lol NV
HAVE YOU WATCHED THIS SHOW? I COULDN'T STOP.
Now at least I know the diff between Gypsies and Travelers. I didn't know that before.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah learning where "jipped" came from was a real "oh shit what have I been saying????" moment for me
another one was the term "Indian giver" once we got to studying more American history in 6th grade
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:09 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah it comes from being short changed or tricked/fooled by gypsies. Right?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
i've seen little chunks of it E but it's not really my kind of show plus i don't really think it helped cross-community relations tbh
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
well, I learned something today
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
i accidentally once drank a friend's beer at a bar and he accused me of "irishing" him out of a pint.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Dan - I had the same moment with Indian giver although I don't think I made that connection until much later (embarrassingly).
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Are you Irish, omar?
― beachville, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:12 AM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it obviously didn't. I had basically no knowledge that travelers/gypsies still existed so it was fascinating for me even though I realize it's total trash tv. Also, THE DRESSES omg.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
Then there's the case I mentioned on ilx of the dude who I knew in college who said "He jewed me out of $5!" and I instinctively punched him. He claimed that he never thought about the phrase?!?― mh, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:05 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― mh, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:05 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait, did you punch him him in the shoulder like "oh you dick" or did you cold-cock him?
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
wtf?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
TBH I'd never heard of the racist connotations of "uppity" before this threadNever used the wordGet called it sometimes
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Never really thought about it before but I do say things like "my foot's giving me jip". Hmm.
This page seems to think it's not from gypsy:
We’re not certain where it comes from, but the English Dialect Dictionary gives one sense of the word as “to arouse to greater exertions by means of some sudden, unexpected action”. That fits with the suggestion in the Oxford English Dictionary that it’s a contracted form of gee-up, a conventionalised version of the cry one utters to get a horse to move. Presumably the pain sense evolved through the excessive use of that unexpected action in persuading a person or animal to do one’s bidding.
xposts iatee's usage OTOH is almost certainly derived from gypsy...
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
don't call it iatee's usage!
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
irished, tbf, is on-point because i would totally steal ur pint given a chance
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
Wait I still don't understand how/why "uppity" has facist connotations. Can someone explain?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
i tried to do some sort of comeback about him being german but i couldn't think of anything that didn't involve accusing him of mass murder and also the point that he made was a fair one.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity" has historical associations w/ blacks who 'didn't know their place'
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, there's a part of me that's always a little :/ at American ppl who get pissed at like irish/italian/french/german slurs because like, "there, there, white people still run the world, its ok"
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
Beeps calls sitting cross-legged "criss-cross, applesauce". Back in my day, it was "Indian style".
And I still can't believe that some bars server "Irish Car Bombs" on St. Patrick's Day.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
Light punch to the gut
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, now I understand, thought it meant the Irish were mean when that's obv. the Scots
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
That's "mean" in UK/Irish sense, not the US sense, which always sounds silly to me
haha my day too, which was like the 90s
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:18 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't know people used "jew" as a verb until my sophomore year of college, when I was on a choir tour and our host's mother in Tupelo was telling us about how her daughter went up to NYC and argued with her landlord to get her rent reduced. I have never seen someone change the topic of conversation faster than our host did. (As a horrifying aside, two out of the four of us being hosted were Jewish.)
xp: he is not shitting you, E
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
I have never in my life heard that or known that before. I thought it just meant when people were snobby. I've definitely said and used uppity just to mean snobby people before. I mean it's not something I say often but I've definitely used it.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
Woah. That one is seriously blowing my mind. I had no idea!
i'm staggered you've never heard the phrase "uppity n____"
altho my introduction to the u word was
http://images.wikia.com/mrmen/images/f/fd/Mr._Uppity.jpg
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
I just that it was a fancier way of saying stuck up. :/
I'm surprised so few people know about "uppity"
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, e, you can call a white person "uppity" and it still means snobby
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
well I think it can still be used in other contexts without being objectively offensive but probably needs to be handled delicately
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
ENBB, it does mean that as well, but really it's best avoiding the word altogether at this point.
― beachville, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
lol at that barrage of posts.
"uppity n____"
Nope. Never.
Woah. This is a very educational thread!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
btw how the hell did I miss/forget this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/rush-limbaugh-says-first-lady-was-booed-partly-because-nascar-fans-hate-her-uppityism/
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
Use "uppish" instead.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
eh uppity is a lot more innocuous than eg monkey, as in it has a clear and usable everyday meaning but can have racist connotations, it's not a 'racist' word tho
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I knew about "uppity" when I was growing up, and it was kind of understood that "this is a thing bad people say about minorities." Then, my freshman year of college, a girl actually said to me, "I don't mind black people, but I don't like when they get all uppity." I nearly shit my pants. True story.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
― pplains, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:18 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Criss-cross applesauce just sounds ridiculous to me. The first time I heard it I was like "You're sitting what now?"
Irish Car Bombs are pretty popular year round here in Boston. smdh.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
uppity 28 up, 94 down
a nickname for a man's penis
He had an uppity when he fell asleep in class.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost Is the part that you almost shit in your pants true?
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
I can walk four blocks from my office and get Irish Car Bombs every day at that noted Irish establishment "Flannery's Pub" in downtown Cleveland.
xxxp No, that part's a lie. I actually *did* shit my pants.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
"criss cross applesauce" is probably more offensive than indian style. if a teacher said that to my kid, i'd change school districts
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
Well that's where they got the money from to make them in the first place, so fair enough
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
There are still biases against some "white" people though, Whiney! I grew up in an area that had a huge Italian immigration period around 1900 and still had a fairly entrenched Italian community -- Italian community center, festivals, kids in high school who had "proud to be Italian" t-shirts and all that shit. Not so much the Jersey Shore parody of it, but definitely from the same place, culturally.
To be fair the bias against that group was more rooted in the fact that some members of the community were complete assholes, the "Italians are better than everyone else" attitude is kind of an ugly personality flaw, and there seemed to be a pervasive bias against more recent Hispanic immigrants when their families were only a couple generations removed from migrants themselves.
OK, I admit it, I'm racist against Italians :(
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
comeback about him being german but i couldn't think of anything that didn't involve accusing him of mass murder
People do make comments about that ALL the fucking time and, OK, fair enough. It does get pretty annoying though when you realize how often people do it. You know what else was really annoying? When kids drew swastikas in my 5th grade year book because they thought it was "funny".
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
"hippie style" is pretty safe for that manner of sitting
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah tbf i'm not buying wgw's outlook on eg irish slurs tbph
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
if they knew what was up they would have drawn a German tourist wearing socks with sandals
x-post
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
I used to have a "I'm not only perfect, I'm Italian!" shirt that I bout in Little Italy years and years ago. I am not Italian.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - and small funy colorful glasses
funny
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
I was a weird kid... I always knew it as "half-lotus"
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, 'run the world' we don't even run the 75% of our country the british didn't want ffs
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
is hating 3rd gen italian americans really racist?
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
I believe I was instructed to sit "cross-legged"
not sure where applesauce comes into it, unless they're serving pork chops
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
i always knew of germans as goofy drunkards, like the irish (according to single panel comics)
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
some kids can't eat pork chops mh
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - dats me
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:29 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I think it's mosty just very anti-Long Island.
Oh, man, my family was stationed in Germany from 1976-79, so we moved there when I was nearly 7 and my sister was 9. We lived off-post in a high-rise apartment leased by the Army from the local government.
Anyway, we interacted a lot with the local German kids in the neighborhood, and one day my sister got in a shouting match with some boy, and, having vaguely heard the word and knowing it had something to do with Germany, called him a Nazi. I have never seen a fistfight between two kids start so quickly. My dad had to come downstairs and separate them!
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
I think that in larger cities where haven't moved around and still have ethnic family roots, there's still a racism or at least bias of sorts among groups. I think it's partially a leftover strong pride that was useful in the face of real discrimination in the past, but now has turned more into a persecution complex that causes the behavior to come on to strong and, paradoxically, cause people to be looked on in a negative way because they're overreacting to a perceived bias.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
i miss the days when we were all goofy drunkards, the white man got us with his promises of untold wealth and now we're all joyless coke-snorting architects
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
for years i knew nothing about the nazis except they seemed to hate singing and wanted to steal antiquities
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - Yeah. The only time I know of that my dad actually punched someone out was when a guy called him a Nazi directly to his face. He knocked that fucker down fast.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
There are more "German Americans" than any other kind of American though
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
"Well, ___________ are the blacks of Europe" = "Hey, want to watch me lose an argument?"
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
It was crazy. It was like someone had shot a crazed chimp out of a cannon at my sister's face.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
And we're all like "Go for the eyes, Fritz!"
HAHAHAHAHA!
x-post Maybe in the Mid-west but not around where I grew up and not necessarily ones actually from there.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
I pretty much grew up thinking everyone was literally either Irish, Italian or Jewish.
I'm of German heritage obv, and I would seriously need a fuckin reality check if i got IRL upset at someone calling me a Nazi
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney. You're not actually from Germany. I think that makes a big difference.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
heritage != nationality != race tho
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
troo
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
dying @ whiney rn
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
so can I just ask if there was any intentional irony in the "pork chop" digression upthread, because that's a slur against Portuguese people
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
rn?
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
right now
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
okay lol i have never heard of 'pork chop' being used as a term for portuguese ppl? please tell me that's a joke dan
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
when i worked with a crew of dutch/italian/english guys, it's fair to say you wouldn't be taking huge offence at the ethnic slurs tbf
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I'm wondering about pork chop too
REALLY?!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
what wd be a dutch slur? "lol you like weed and porn"??
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:07 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:10 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, the English have to endure so many ethnic slurs
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.caffeinenebula.com/quizzes/quizFiles/doug/porkchop.jpg
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
'lol the germans kicked ur merchant arses' tbh
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
once, my grandma's friend served us potatoes and sausages and called it krauts and micks. tasty, and offensive.
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
"go find a prostitute, rutger"
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
i got clogs, tulips and windmills and that's me done
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/04/sports/main3573855.shtmlhttp://www.chacha.com/question/why-is-pork-chop-a-racial-slur-against-portuguese
more links here: https://www.google.com/search?q=pork%2Bchop%2Bslur&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&safe=active
includes the ever amazing Racial Slur Database: http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
This thread is moving rather fast, but re: not knowing the connotations of stuff like "uppity", I remember being told off for using "inscrutable" about someone who was Japanese - my mind was blown that this was a *thing* but I never used it again.
― emil.y, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
I can't think of a Dutch slur tbh. 'Cheeseheads' is what the Krauts call us tho ;)
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
tom you don't think english ppl take nationality based abuse in eg scotland, ireland?
Or d'you just think, as individuals, they have it coming?
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:44 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
poor alix and pip
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Standard slur on the English = "You have considerably less scurvy than us!"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Dykes
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Bjork Icelanders She's the Icelander everyone knows.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
clogs, tuplips, windmills, porn, weed, good cheese and painters?
lol cheeseheads!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
i'm trying to think of something to say about canadians but jon's "code word" story upthread is making me wary
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
You know what's funny? That French people call English people roast beef. I'm sorry but it just is.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
But what do they call them? We've got Jocks, Micks, Paddys, what are they? Trevors? Brians?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
if you are insulting a group of icelanders you can use "sigur ros"
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if anything has ever caused more horrified, inappropriate laughter than the Racial Slur Database for "snob"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
snob doesn't seem to be there?
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
Shilaeli Hugger Shilaeli is a staff commonly use by the Irish.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
commonly
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
Racial slur database:
This Websense category is filtered: Racism and Hate.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
tans
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
You guys I have literally done NOTHING at work today that is actual work and it's almost noon.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
This day rules.
Favorite insult for the English comes from the MST3K episode "Devil Doll": "Jug-eared organ eaters."
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
Shilaeli Hugger
Sounds like the Israeli defence minister or something
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
it isn't????? (I can't check, it is blocked at work for me)
there used to be an entry for "snob" where it was an acronym for "silly n-----s on bikes", because you see black kids ride around on bikes all the time
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
ime the non-English UK nations don't have enough distance from the target to effectively dole out stereotype-based abuse of the English so it p much amounts to "you suck and we hate you"
― I knew a guy in a local metal band called "Bangin' Moon" (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
"can we have our taxes back please?"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that and the fact that tbh you hate england more than we do since thatcher
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
snob not on the rsd linked upthread but it is here: http://www.rsdb.org/
― ledge, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
Snob Blacks Blacks who can't afford cars and are always seen riding bikes: (S)illy (N)iggers (O)n (B)ikes
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
It's 5pm over here!
We have Websense here too...and yet, this isn't blocked. But a site on Miles Davis' electric period is ("forbidden category: weapons").
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
I'm calling Citation Needed on snob.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
the "pontiac" one was pretty common among kids where i grew up : /
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
dan that first link is about porkchop being used against puerto ricans! i personally have never heard it irl and i am friends with a lot of ppl with lusophone heritage -- most of the epithets i've heard re: portuguese are applied to other immigrant groups as well
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
... yeah half and hour and I'll be going to the pub to Irish someone's pint
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
I can't believe the snob acronym thing. What's the criteria for getting into that database - 4 people having to use a term. I refuse to believe that's legitimately a widespread term. It can't be, right? :(
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
of course it isn't!
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
thanx for inciting me to fall off the wagon
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
Still Falkland Islanders After British troops were forbidden to use the insulting term "Bennies", they named the Islanders "Stills" - because they were still Bennies.
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
i'd drink the pish off a bishop's leg by chrisht
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
It's those I Love Books boys, with their FAPs, terrible for it, so they are
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:53 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Me too. Along with a slur against Native Americans based on "Ford": Found on reservation dump. (Besides the more common "fix or repair daily" and "flip over, read directions.")
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
Are you a Benny tied to a tree?
― I knew a guy in a local metal band called "Bangin' Moon" (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
Wait - Pontiac? What's that? Site's blocked here.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
ILX is the second google result for that which cheers me no end
xp obv
Found on road, dead.
Yeah, I can't look at a Pontiac w/o thinking of that either.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
"Pontiac" = "Poor Old N***** Thinks It's A Cadillac"
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
I must admit, I laughed.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Whaaaaaaaaaa?
Yeah, I never ever heard that. Wow.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
ಠ_ಠ
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
But what do they call them? We've got Jocks, Micks, Paddys, what are they? Trevors? Brians?― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.)
The go-to phrase round these parts ime is "fuckin English bastarts".
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
Feb (2) British Stands for Filthy (or Fucking) English Bastard.
― ledge, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
Haggistani Scottish Compares Scotland to a 3rd world country such as Pakistan
2-for-1!
― ledge, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
i always thought the pontiac thing was dumb because half the white dudes i knew were aspiring to pontiac fieros and also i'd seen 'superfly'
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
that database was posted here years ago but I can't find the thread where we initially boggled at it
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Chinless Wonder British. Reference to inbreeding and a weak gene pool resulting in poor bone structure.
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
hahahahahaha
sorry British people
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Frostbacks, I guess, but I think we'd be more appreciative of the attention than offended by the slur
― house of the holey (Ówen P.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
I for one am trying to puzzle out why I've been in the dark about 95% of these slurs for so long"Itis" poll last night w/friends, only one had heard of it b4
― house of the holey (Ówen P.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
I originally mentioned pork chops because they are delicious with applesauce. The food dish, I had no idea about the Portuguese slur and I have never tried to combine a Portuguese person with applesauce and cannot speak to its appeal.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
haven't read the newest 200 posts but
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news%2Fcrime&id=8511126
is it fair for the police chief to call the suspects 'animals'
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
I used to work for a UK children's book publisher who were doing a board book with pictures of babies matched up with random dumb "cute" things about the babies in the pics. Unfortunately, the page that said, "cheeky monkey" had a picture of a black toddler. Publisher had to change the text.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - I see what you're saying but I've used "animal/s" to describe people who don't know how to behave or do so badly without linking it to race at all. Like if I see a lot of litter or something - "What kid of animals would do that?!". P sure the chief prob did so too?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I'm not sure, just tossing it out there
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
This thread is moving rather fast, but re: not knowing the connotations of stuff like "uppity", I remember being told off for using "inscrutable" about someone who was Japanese - my mind was blown that this was a *thing* but I never used it again.― emil.y, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:44 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark
― emil.y, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:44 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark
there def is a stereotype that east asians (and I don't know if this applies to ethnic east asians who were born in America and socialized as Americans) are reticent to show emotion/emotionless
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
There was this rly interesting article last year somewhere about how kids automatically classify things by their differences, because that's how their brains are wired to learn about the world, so pretending that two people AREN'T superficially different is just confusing to them and logically more likely to make them feel that the difference is embarrassing, because no one will talk about it/adults go against what is obviously visible.
No kids, me, so I'm free to be completely fascinated by problems I'm never likely to run up against.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
here's a line from saul bellow's herzog
It may be that guilt and sadness made me look Oriental. A morose, angry eye, a long upper lip-what people used to call the Chinese Gleep. It was beau to her.
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty sure the "beat up a 64-year old" takes precedence over "six black and Hispanic males" re: animal descriptor xp
― houses of the holey (Ówen P.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah "inscrutable Oriental" is a thing. "inscrutable" by itself is a great word, though; i wouldn't chuck it completely.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
My mother used the word "uppity" on phone w me the other day, in anger with a badly behaved kid in her class who also happened to be black and I was like, "Okay, let's go back to square one, here. I don't care what else you do with your life, as long as you never say that again." Tried to make the point that it has too much history to ever be a neutral word.
She got mad at me for finding fault with her AGAIN as she must feel like I'm always doing. :/
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Me and my PC nonsense that only I care about, because no one else has ever corrected her, apparently.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
"Oriental" shouldn't be used to describe anything except furniture and architecture afaik
― houses of the holey (Ówen P.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InscrutableOriental
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
and orientalism, obv xp
Lol, 'uppity' was already discussed ITT (my only ref was to Mr Uppity as well, NV)
― kinder, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
― houses of the holey (Ówen P.), Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:31 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes, of course, but the racist archetype is "inscrutable Oriental"
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Well, like I said earlier I never ever knew that it had that history so your mom isn't the only one.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
if there's a black kid acting in such a way that would cause a white kid to be described as uppity, what do you use instead, just y'know out of interest
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Never heard that either. Jesus Christ I am never saying anything again ever.
x-post - snobby? stuck up?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
wow
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GermanicDepressives
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GermanicEfficiency
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AsianAndNerdy
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AsianAirhead
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AsianRudeness
this site is like a rabbit hole
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
nothing wrong with "inscrutable," like i said!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
why are you yelling at black kids?
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
I probably wouldn't say uppity at all.
Snobby would work for me, despite the bike acronym.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
I would just say 'snotty little brat' because ime that label applies to every single child who has ever existed
if you find yourself wanting to describe an Asian person as inscrutable, maybe examine your assumptions but lots of things are inscrutable in a non-racist way.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
lol wgw
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
whiney, a white person should never be allowed to yell at black kids?
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
BTW 10 million xps but I knew about Agatha Christie's 'ten little... ' but I guess I was just shocked to see the word in a different book that was released obviously recently enough for the Kindle.
― kinder, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
i shout at black kids because i can't catch them to batter them obv
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
"uppity" does seem like kind of a problem in all contexts. it means, like "acting above your station" which seems to necessarily imply some sort of fixed social hierarchy even if that hierarchy is not about race.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
only one of the Mr Men is dark brownhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K4ncs0BvIRA/TVGi-XAhviI/AAAAAAAAKIo/YW1GvdbX4H4/s640/mr_men_grid.jpg
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Well in my mom's mind, that station is "I'm your choir director, and I'm higher on the food chain than you are" so fair enough. ;)
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
to use "snobby" or "snotty" in place of "uppity" would likely be more precise in most people's non-racist usage.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
wtf is OJ doing in there?
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
or maybe "insubordinate," in your mom's case, Laurel?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
True although I feel like people use it interchangeably (perhaps incorrectly) with snobby a lot? I've probably uttered that word like 5 times in my entire life. It's not something you hear very often and now I know why!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
Not letting my kid anywhere near Mr. Snow or Mr. Bump.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think you can act uppity without it being a social/racial situation tbh, not sure uppity is very far from entitled tbh
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
omfg I didn't even see OJ!
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
― ENBB, Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:38 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
they do, and language is a living thing; meanings change, but that word just seems inherently shitty to me still.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
Oh the "true" there was a x-post to HS about it being problematic in a lot of contexts regardless of any racist connotations.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
Yes - going by it's actual meaning you described above it does seem inherently shitty in most situations.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, that's a connotation that i associate with "uppity." it's not in the dictionary definition i just googled. i feel like in america with the history of the phrase "uppity n*****" maybe it carries that connotation more intensely.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, "insubordinate" is a perfect analog but my mom's family are from Tennessee so she has "uppity" in her vocab already and it occasionally gets used. Anyway. She's not trying to make a statement, she just doesn't hear other words around her EVER because no one talks about race in her world, and casual racism that's based on not actually KNOWING anyone in the indicted group is just everywhere.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
whiney, a white person should never be allowed to yell at black kids?― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:35 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:35 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I literally have never been in a situation where I had to yell at black kids, let alone one that requires me to inform one that he's acting snobby, ymmv
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I used to tutor at a school where my kids were black - I should never have been allowed to yell at him, even if they did some shitty things?
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/iIWUO.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
pls be my special classroom guest
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
although i have never said snobby in a classroom
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wait - I thought Whiney was just kidding with that comment before.
Yes people's milage might indeed vary cause if you were actually being serious then I don't know about Darragh but I've personally had to yell at black kids, white kids, latino kids - all kinds of kids - a lot in various jobs over the years.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
I yelled at a bunch of black kids last summer for throwing pebbles at other kids climbing on the playground.
I said, "KNOCK IT OFF, YOU INSCRUTABLE MONKEYS."
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
Before you all think I'm mean or something I didn't actually yell (despite there being many times when I really really wanted to) at them. Just to clarify.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - lol
about ten years ago i did get chastised for assigning a public speaking project, on whose rubric were allocated 10 points for 'clear and articulate voice.' i :get: that there's racial baggage to this term, but at the same time IN A PUBLIC SPEAKING CLASS I felt it was an apropos component of a grade.
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
i :get: that there's racial baggage to this term
TO WHICH TERM?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
pizza guy ftwxxxxxp
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
"articulate," again, when used to describe black people. it's not like you can't say "articulate"!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like more important than memorizing a list of words you can never use is understanding the racist history of their use.
I mean I could guess that you mean articulate because maybe inarticulate has been used in a way that's connected with race but I would never in a million years have looked at that and thought about racial baggage. Jesus.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
I was joking, enbb, i was explaining the joke to dayo
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
Erica, the context is sort of an exceptionalism thing where you're like "my, that black man was so *articulate*" because your expectation is that black men are stupid and can't speak properly.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
it's, like, unintentionally revealing of assumptions about black people; i really doubt you've ever used the word in that way
yes! also, for what it's worth, I was the only teacher of color in a school w/ a 90% non-white pop., and the people that got mad at me were all white administrators who demanded that I 'understand the history.'
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
nice backpedaling
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
oh dear lord
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
A fellow in the office and I play Words With Friends, and we were talking about how sometimes you get the perfect word to use for points, but it just doesn't feel right. Like even if you get a triple-letter, you still don't want to play RAPE against a female friend.
Right after we had that conversation, I got HUNGJEW in my tray.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
haha my last move was 'gay' to a gay friend tbh
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
I just wanted to get rid of the y
remy, it seems like people are absolute DICKS to you a lot. Like unnecessarily. The parents up-thread who held against you a comment about their adopted kid that you made when you were TWELVE also comes to mind!
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, HS I get it but in Remy's example it seems completely ridiculous for him to be criticized for that. Being clear and articulate is one of the most important parts of public speaking! It seems even more so now after reading his description of the school and population tbh.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:53 AM (11 seconds ago)
^ eliminationist rhetoric
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
held against you a comment about their adopted kid that you made when you were TWELVE also comes to mind!
I thought that comment sounded adorable btw.
yeah no it was dumb of his administrators to object to that
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
jesus christ Whiney whats a matter with you
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
I think I just remember shitty shit a lot; kind of got a fixedly pessimistic memory-motor.
I quit teaching for 6 years after that school. E., you know which one it is, I think.
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
whats even worse is when you try to play NEGRO against a black friend and learn that it isnt even a word
yeah, whats the matter with ME
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
Hahaha. Oh OK, that make s a lot of sense now if I'm thinking of the right one. Remy btw - you need to claim your requested confectioneries at some point. :)
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
well it was a profoundly stupid thing to say
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
tell me about all the reasons, besides being a teacher, that you have to yell at black kids for being snobby
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
you never hear anybody use the word "scrutable" do you?
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
"typical scrutable Italian"
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
haha i didn't even realize it was a word
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
Italian scrutable flatbread
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
crütable
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
C'mon, everybody yells at kids, it's our right as old people.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, I have never called a kid snobby
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
When they only steal the hood ornaments from Mercs and BMWs but not my Toyota.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah honestly it's hard for me to think of a teaching context where calling a kid snobby would come up
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
omg Phil
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
i've literally never yelled at a kid, black or white, and couldnt imagine a single situation where i'd have to tell a black kid he was snobby, let alone it happening so frequently in my life that I'd seek anonymous advice on the internet on how to handle this constant and unwelcome occurance
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
first of all, we are talking about teachers, and secondly, saying "black" is just making an unnecessary racial distinction that you damn well know should be irrelevant
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, frogbspaws
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
neverending entertainment
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
\o_O/
iunno frog, read the thread i guess
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
That was a joke attempt that obvs went nowhere, DJP. I am nowhere near edgy enough to get away with that, clearly.
i've literally never yelled at a kid, black or white
Whaaaaa . . . ? I yell at my teenage niece and nephew all the time.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
They're white btw
My mother used the word "uppity" on phone w me the other day, in anger with a badly behaved kid in her class who also happened to be black
i get that this is your whole shtick Whiney but c'mon man
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
Laurel didnt ask, darrgh did
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
i mean we're clearly talking about a teacher/student relationship here
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
in fairness to frogbs, I wouldn't dig very deeply into Skipping 2032 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all either
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://ramonasbasilgardengifts.com/wp-content/uploads/marketimages/lgteacherdk.jpg
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=36465418
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
How do ya like them apples?
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
wow, uh, i just clicked on whiney's link at work and um whoops
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
gbsp
― houses of the holey (Ówen P.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
kind of amazed that so many are/were unaware of the meaning of "gypped/jipped". thought it was pretty well understood that that's a slur. but i just checked with my gf, and she defended it, first saying that it's spelled differently, then that "there aren't many of them here" (in america). uh...
then again, i thoughtlessly used "mongoloid" to mean idiot in a conversation with a chinese friend a few years ago, and she went off on me quick.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
frogs cannot be an actual person
i love the moments on this thread where someone goes to gis with a "frog [x]" search and comes back with something
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
'mongolien' still means someone w/ downs syndrome in french
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
(there is also no word for political correctness)
i thoughtlessly used "mongoloid" to mean idiot in a conversation with a chinese friend a few years ago
How old are you Contenderizer? Just curious cause I thought that had been out of use for a really long time in the US. UK is a diff story. "Mong" is still used fairly frequently there, I think.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
sort of a blessing, "racist" is better than "politically incorrect" anyway
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
a note from the mac osx dictionary (oxfords)
usage: 1 The terms Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, and Australoid were introduced by 19th-century anthropologists attempting to classify human racial types, but today they are recognized as having very limited validity as scientific categories. Although occasionally used when making broad generalizations about the world's populations, in most modern contexts they are potentially offensive, especially when used of individuals. Instead, the names of specific peoples or nationalities should be used wherever possible. 2 The term mongol, or Mongoloid, was adopted in the late 19th century to refer to a person with Down syndrome, owing to the similarity of some of the physical symptoms of the disorder with the normal facial characteristics of eastern Asian people. The syndrome itself was thus called mongolism. In modern English, this use of mongol (and related forms) is unacceptable and is considered offensive. In scientific, as well as in most general contexts, mongolism has been replaced by the term Down syndrome (first recorded in the early 1960s).
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't mean that it's technically considered OK to still say Mong in the UK just that you still hear it there a lot more than you do here ime.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
I tried to come up with a joke centered around the phrase "among friends" for like 90 seconds before re-evaluating my priorities
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZb4vwMV8lY
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think 'jipped' is an interesting case cause it really does seem so far removed for a lot of people. can something that starts out racist eventually just become a word? most people have no clue about the etymology of most words they use.
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
The term mongol, or Mongoloid, was adopted in the late 19th century to refer to a person with Down syndrome, owing to the similarity of some of the physical symptoms of the disorder with the normal facial characteristics of eastern Asian people.
haha im imagining some very agonizing and serious discussion about this sentence & thought amongst the dictionary editors
― max, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Indian giverIndian burnIndian summer
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
i mean re gypped, i think the disconnect in america is like most ppl probably heard that word more than they've hear anything about actual gypsies
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
that really is pretty awkward
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
i think that was supposed to be a joke? but "Negro" is a word. but it's a proper noun, i guess, so maybe it doesn't count? i have devoted too much thought to this.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
slurs with friends
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
Indian burn interestingly known as Chinese burns in the UK.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs + his black friends would make a good sitcom
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://oranges-world.com/data_images/black-frog.jpg
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah tbh I learned a lot more about tramps and thieves growing up.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
my dad did a favor for a gypsy once, and the gypsy saved his life in turn. true story!
― gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
that's just enforcing stereotypes about gypsies having magic powers
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
Remy and iatee need to stop disagreeing right now, it's giving me cognitive dissonance.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
even better fact: the guy smuggled my dad a message on minuatuer nautical flags hung from the rigging of a hand-built ship in a bottle
― gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
How old are you Contenderizer? Just curious cause I thought that had been out of use for a really long time in the US.
i'm forty-something, and yeah, it has. a gap in my awareness.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i thought 'gypsy' was generally considered offensive in and of itself? or at least "not politically correct"?
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
well, not in the stevie nicks usage
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
joey skaggs to thread fwiw:
http://www.joeyskaggs.com/images/hoax/gyp1.jpg
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
according to pops, gypsy is an acceptable usage when applied to gypsy romany people, not to any type of itinerant or eastern european. but this was in the prison system in the '80s.
― gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
No, I think the term in and of itself is totally fine when used to describe actual romany gypsies but there are so many negative associations with gypsies that is feels "bad" somehow.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
hey guys is this song racist, it came on when a friend was over and he said it was p racist, I guess I didn't even think about it being racist because I liked it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyiU1Kkzg9A
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
kind of amazed that so many are/were unaware of the meaning of "gypped/jipped". thought it was pretty well understood that that's a slur. but i just checked with my gf, and she defended it, first saying that it's spelled differently, then that "there aren't many of them here" (in america). uh...then again, i thoughtlessly used "mongoloid" to mean idiot in a conversation with a chinese friend a few years ago, and she went off on me quick.
I never put 2 and 2 together on "jipped" because I hear the word 'gypsy' like twice a year. My Mom's nickname was "gypsy" when she managed a band some 15 years ago, not her choice but certainly not something I thought was offensive
"Mongoloid" is one I never thought about either, only time I hear it is in the Devo song
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it's necessarily offensive to be like 'oh yeah I've been a gypsy over the last few years, lived in chicago, baltimore, dc...' - there's nothing inherently offensive about associating gypsies w/ nomadism I think?
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
believe it or not it wasn't a joke, it was the only five-letter word I could make and apparently it didn't take
maybe the 'sting' of it is taken out b/c my wife's nickname has always been "La Negra" which isn't really supposed to have any racial connotations
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
No, I think that would be OK. Using "gyped" is pretty offensive those because it's sort of similar to when people use "jew" as a verb like he "jewed" me down.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
x-post -
Is that a nickname that her family thought of?
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
btw gypsies are a lot more common in Europe. When people there refer to gypsies they usually mean either one of the following two groups:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_peoplehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Probably and I'd assume that it's because she's the darkest out of them. I'm pretty sure I've heard spanish ppl use Negra as a nickname in that context before too and it would never have ocurred to them that it was a racist thing to do.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5lM4gwnaSU
― pretty sure you're an immature midget (buzza), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
tried to play "jewy" on a triple word score in words w/ friends just the other day, but no dice
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
no, her grade school friends did as she had the darkest skin out of anyone there (though it's lightened up considerably after 18 months in Wisconsin!)
oh yeah, I got that, it's just associating "gyp" with the "gypsies" is something I wouldn't have done on my own
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
My friend, who works in a bar, set his FB status today to "I hate naggers" because he was fed up of people complaining. Can anybody guess what his iPhone auto-corrected it to?
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I didn't realize this until a couple years ago until someone pointed it out to me tbh. I still sometimes say things like, "This bag isn't even 1/2 full - what a jip/gyp!" because I'm just so used to it.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
her grade school friends did as she had the darkest skin out of anyone there
well
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i call bullshit
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_I2If0jRpJT4/TB2tbAYC4yI/AAAAAAAABjE/tHpdATG5VEM/s1600/princess_and_the_frogBS.jpg
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
I've been pretty Chinese for the last couple years, considering I eat a lot of white rice.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - Yeah, would a phone really have ni***rs in its dictionary?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
omg phil d
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:52 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
MH - I think Iatee's actually right in that situation and that you can use gypsy to mean nomadic or in terms of fashion, music etc.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
my phone has "naggers" in its dictionary, weirdly
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
x-post "In North America, the word gypsy is commonly used as a reference to lifestyle[32] or fashion, and not to the Romani ethnicity."
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Won't anyone think of the shiftless, agoraphobic gypsies.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, but do you not see how that in itself is problematic?
xpost
― emil.y, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Call bullshit all you like, he told me himself 5 minutes ago. A common friend told me just before that (when he wasn't there). Xposts
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
how about "the wandering jew"
― pretty sure you're an immature midget (buzza), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
i was a gypsy for a while in the early 00s, mainly because i would stroke the cheek of those who crossed me with the feather of a black rooster, cursing them with seven years and seven days ill fortune
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
I would have seriously scored 90+ points on "PIGBERT", but alas
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
alas what
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
well I seriously doubt any phone comes with the n-word programmed into its dictionary (mine doesn't even recognize "fuck") so he must have put it in there himself? I mean 'naggers' is still a word isn't it?
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
alas, I lost
wait is frogbs scott adams, this makes so much sense
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Em - I do, sure. I'm just saying that it's really not akin to the example that MH used. I think it's mainly used to describe lifestyle and associated things here because we really don't have Gypsies as a distinct visible ethnic group like in the UK and the rest of Europe at all.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
dammit xposts cost me a Scott Adams joke
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
i always think of the adventure game writer which explains why i was like
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
I guess it's just whether you want to distinguish between 'Racism Lite' and 'Racism' - I accept that no harm is meant in using it as a term for a certain sort of lifestyle, but then, if you don't know where the term comes from, saying "gypped" isn't an indicator of a desire to harm. To appropriate a term for a group of people to use as you like just because there aren't many of them around still strikes me as pretty offensive.
― emil.y, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
I guess you can say 'is the fact that americans treat gypsies as a magical creature like elves a bad thing? yes'
but otoh romani don't even want to be associated w/ the word gypsy so maybe it's good that we keep the word in the magical creature zone and just teach people about the romani
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:48 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This means the phone is autorecognizing a word he types a lot, so basically fuck your dumb friend
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
"Lived/moved around like a gypsy" might be a little safer.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
/ 'is it racism if you have no idea that the people to whom you're being racist actually exist?'
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
"If a man say a slur in the forest, is it still racist?"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
Like even if you get a triple-letter, you still don't want to play RAPE against a female friend
Just last night I saw something in my sidebar that said "M_____ played a word in Words With Friends: RAPE". Both players were female but still.
― joygoat, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
stupid bark-skins
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
depends if he's in the black forest
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten),
couldn't imagine, ladies and gentlemen.
not so much in the latter case, tbh, quite a passé term
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
but then, if you don't know where the term comes from, saying "gypped" isn't an indicator of a desire to harm
Well, right - obviously not. I never said otherwise.
Em - It is offensive but I don't think people realize that because I seriously doubt most Americans would know that Gypsies are an actual ethnic group. I think most would just assume they were mythical story characters or something. I would put money on that actually.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
This thread is the gift that keeps giving. Every time I refresh it's full of new wonders.
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
that show the riches w/ minnie driver + eddie izzard was about travellers
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - What Darragh? You mean using "gypsy" to describe a traveller?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT
That's why they had such funny accents! I remember thinking that they just had bad ones at the time but now that I know what travellers sound like I realize that's what they were doing. Woah. I wish I knew then what I know know. Maybe I could have watched more than 2 eps.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
WGW, I'm not entirely sure anybody would be telling any other people were your hypothesis true.
However, I should probably butt out of this since I am a Britishes.
― Sugary pee is not normal (aldo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
Mitt Romani
― gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
there's literally no way his iPhone corrects a word in merriam websters to the most offensive word in the english language
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://c.cslacker.com/8009l.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
seriously dude is either a) a dude who types n-bombs all dayb) a liar who's trying to get on Damn You Autocorrectc) someone trying to pass off South Park bits as his own original comedy
no matter what, this dude basically sucks imo
― deltron the escape g.o.a.t. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - hahahaha
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
okay nobody cares about this autocorrect controversy
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
true
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9rxafmE0W1qakobno1_500.jpg
Seems like a riff on this tbh.
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
xp why can't you just call yourself "nomadic"
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
no madd doggie
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, when people in North America are talking to other people in North America about "gypsies" and they have no idea it's a real people, and there's no ill intent, etc. then it's not really a big deal. I just kind of think the world is a little smaller than it used to be and stuff like this looks really glaring when brought to light.
Over lunch I mentioned this thread to my friend and she said that one of her coworkers, an acquaintance of mine, said "jewed" as a verb in front of her a while ago and then looked really anxious and sheepish. My friend is Jewish. It just like... didn't occur, and then it did. But if you lived in a small town and never knew anyone Jewish and Jews were kind of these people who lived in big cities and that you learn about in history class....
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
btw ENBB I bet you've seen bad "gypsy" stereotypes in film, especially if you've seen the Guy Ritchie film "Snatch"
although they were called "pikeys" which is just another slur for romani or irish travelers...
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Holy hell this thread. It took me 10 minutes to fully skim it while eating my lunch.
I thought w/ the ton of new posts it would be a clusterfuck, but it seems like it's all pretty cool (w/ a notable exception....)
― Je55e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
brad pitt's pretty great in snatch fwiw, tho yes everyone in that movie is a terrible criminally minded cliché, including, i'd point out, anyone from london and several orthodox jews
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
One of my college roommates went on a cross-country thing with her Hebrew school and they made several stops along the way. Some place (I can't remember where right now and I really really wish I could) someone she met, upon learning she was Jewish, asked her where her horns were. They really truly believed that Jewish people actually had horns and since Jen was the first Jewish person she had met she wanted to see them. ._.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
that's the kind of story i daren't believe
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
MH - I've actually never seen Snatch. I heard Pikey a lot while living in England but I always thought it sort of meant something similar to "Chav". I didn't realize it was gypsy/traveller specific.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - Dude, I swear that is real. They asked where her fucking horns were. O_O
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit, where was that??
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, geographically
xxp to ENBB, I believe it's true. my family has a few stories like that :/
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
pikey can be used as a 'chav' type slur, but only because you're comparing somebody to a traveller iykwim
I don't know about Darragh but I've personally had to yell at black kids
fwiw, on record, i've never had to yell at a black kid, though tbf i'm not exactly living in a hugely ethnically-diverse area of the world
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
jewhorns, ffs
i've had yanks ask me about leprechauns, i assumed they were all joking but yknow man, yanks, who can tell
Goole - I don't remember! Somewhere in the US on this cross-country trip.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
when i was in ireland a dude asked me if i knew mike tyson
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if I actually yelled but I definitely raised my voice to a group of kids who weren't paying attention or following directions when I volunteered at the Boys & Girls Club.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
i guess that is objectively possible tho so point for ireland there.
Some friends are pretty sure Ron Paul is a leprechaun due to some of his facial features and his strong interest in gold, but that's neither here nor there.
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
btw with the gypsy thing: probably important to remember that a big reason there aren't many gypsy/roma people around for this issue to be more prevalent is that a huge amount of their population was wiped out by the nazis. relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
This is going way back but re:
Severance agreement review
Fuck. That's what's in my clipboard, not Dan's quote from way way back ;__;
ANYWAY: As an American, I really should have fucking known better than to call a black person a monkey.
― Je55e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
wrt "pikey" : "In the late 20th and early 21st centuries, the definition became even looser and is sometimes used to refer to a wide section of the (generally urban) underclass of the country (in England generally known as chavs), or merely a person of any social class who "lives on the cheap" such as a bohemian". - Guess that's the gypsy link.
- Think that's mostly the context I have heard it in. Things (and not just people) can be Pikey too, right? Like Spar for instance - You could call Spar pikey?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
and holy shit with the jew horns thing. i didn't even know about that thing until i was like 17 or 18, and i always thought it was a joke. if someone had said that to me when i was younger, i have no idea how i would've responded
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
I've seen a Jew's Harp, but never the horn.
(Unless we're talking about Artie Shaw.)
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
hell no i wouldn't call spar pikey spar is the fuckin business
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
it comes from here:
http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/truthcontrol/images/3717.jpg
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
x-post yeah my first real experience learning about the Romani people was when I ended up picking this book for a book report in middle school:http://www.amazon.com/Violins-Stopped-Playing-Story-Holocaust/dp/0531150283
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
x-post lol :)
Not advocating calling things (or people!) pikey or chavy btw just checking.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
biblical mistranslation of the word 'keren' on michelangelo's part
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
I honestly didn't know about the jew horns thing until she told me that story!!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
And I must have been about 20 at the time. I think the incident happened to her when she was in HS. :/
Huh. A friend just made us reservations for this
http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs057/1102741444543/img/20.jpg
― Je55e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
and holy shit with the jew horns thing. i didn't even know about that thing until i was like 17 or 18, and i always thought it was a joke.
I literally learned that just this minute. And I hadn't heard the slur "jewed down" until I was 18.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
and now i'm reading all this stuff about gypsies, and i find this bullshit: http://www.retronaut.co/2011/10/the-new-gypsies/
useful words in the comments section from a roma perspective (Germaine de Pibrac James): Dressing up and calling yourself Gypsy is just as offensive, most especially in light of the the thousands who died in the camps and the many who continue to suffer from human rights abuses such as forced sterilization, false imprisonment, denial of education and access to housing and work and the most basic necessities of life.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zKDjcLXZBTI/SkiZpO77LOI/AAAAAAAACvE/ueapIHpB8BE/s400/041i_Auricularia_cornea_Jelly_ear_fungus.jpg
auricularia cornea aka jews ears
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoy this thread in a way, but it always reminds me how crazy fucked-up and racist parts of my growing up were.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
speaks a country boy
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
Law & Order SVU had an episode with a Roma family just this season!
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - The comments section on there is pretty interesting.
"It’s simple. Not all gypsies are Roma, not all Roma are gypsies. trying to earn some PC brownie points by insisting on Roma as the ‘correct’ term ends up discriminating against all gypsies who have no Roma heritage. In the UK the Irish travellers would be a good example of non-Roma gypsies."
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
while we're on the subject, how did a region in the middle of europe come to mean "sophisticated and deracinated people"
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
x-post someone else in there says that Gypsy with a capital G signifies Romany people whereas gypsy can still be used to describe a nomadic lifestyle. I would personally just stick with, you know, "nomadic" but I guess it's just not all that simple in the end at all.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
also gipsy, c.1600, alteration of gypcian, a worn-down M.E. dialectal form of egypcien "Egyptian," from the supposed origin of these people. As an adjective, from 1620s. Cognate with Sp. Gitano and close in sense to Turkish and Arabic Kipti "gypsy," lit. "Coptic;" but in M.Fr. they were Bohémien (see bohemian), and in Sp. also Flamenco "from Flanders." "The gipsies seem doomed to be associated with countries with which they have nothing to do" [Weekley]. Zingari, the Italian and German name, is of unknown origin. Romany is from the people's own language, a plural adjective form of rom "man." Gipsy is the prefered spelling in England.
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
(seems like the word was used first w/r/t the romani and not as a word that could also include irish travellers)
― iatee, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of want to start a thread spinning off from this one - how accountable should people from another culture be towards standards of racism in your own culture
obv (at least on this board) we are all part of the larger the_west but this "gyp shouldn't be considered offensive in america" argument seems like a flip of the "well I'm British!" argument that's been shot down before
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
and real hilarity/facepalming ensues whenever east asians bring their conceptions of race to the table ^_^
http://popartmachine.com/artwork/D10024-SAAM.1982.88.1_1A/0/Man-Ray-Allume-tes-Gitanes-ca-1964-1966-painting-artwork-print.jpg
"Smoke Your Gypsies" - Man Ray
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
kinda feel like gypsy is a legitimately meant and understood description of that hippie nomadic lifestyle these days, for better or worse
In the UK the Irish travellers would be a good example of non-Roma gypsies."
― ENBB,
interesting, i'd personally never refer to a traveller as a gypsy- it's not up there with knacker or tinker as a derogatory term but i'd have considered it the type of word my grandparents would have used. in fact, tinker/knacker itself is a term that wasn't ever used in a perjorative manner historically- both words refer to common livelihoods in travellers up to maybe the 60's- but they're both considered poor form (knacker a lot worse than poor form) to use today
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
hie thee to ILF my man
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
did john terry say something?
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pj2ghas2INo/THdIIK9ebVI/AAAAAAAAB1A/aqC8nE8g1JQ/s320/gypsy1962.bmp
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
yes, irish travellers are ethnically irish and classed as a social group here, not as a separate ethnic group- they are in the UK.
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, there are a lot of traveling groups that have been called gypsies, but it's the roma population that has traditionally been linked to it stereotypically and historically, right? especially with those silly appropriative costumes.
i don't know much about the history, it jsut seems in general that referring to yourself as "gypsy" without having an actual link to it beyond "nomadism" is bound to offend someone. i've seen plenty of drama about it on internet places at least (tumblr whites with 'gypsy' in their sn, mostly)
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Gypsy portrays negative stereotypes of Romanies all being strippers
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is something i've been thinking about/encountering a lot
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
This movie was awesome (for a Bill Paxon/Mark Wahlberg movie.)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S0VHAG7PL._SL500_AA500_.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Interesting, D. The whole reason this is interesting to me is because I recently met an Irish Traveller ("Well, I'm Irish but I was born in Bristol so I'm English too and have lived all over so I'm kinda from everywhere") who was later refereed to as a gypsy (by an English person)and I was all sorts of confused. What do you mean a gypsy? You know, a gypsy, an Irish Traveller (using them interchangeably). Anyway that all led to me reading up on some of this and trying to get some clarification. Not all that cut and dry. I'm now reading (like literally have open in another tab) that there are Irish Traveller communities in the States - who knew?!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
i work a lot with travellers, it's nice to be an ilxpert on something
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
kind of hoping people who are from and living in Japan start posting
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
(when it comes to bizarro racist caricature and stereotypes)
how close is this discussion to the subject of crust punks/street kids right now
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
still a ways off, I think. Although I have a friend who lived somewhat of that lifestyle and also was really into hopping trains for a few years
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
tbh the traveller community is pretty damn interesting - a lot of it, at least
Also re "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding". They use Gypsy in the title but gypsy/traveller interchangeably in the show even though most of the ppl featured on the show are actually Irish travellers. I think that is pretty common in UK media and maybe why the distinction isn't all that clear?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I hear talk of Travelers around where I live (no, not the Arkansaw Traveler.)
Guys showing up with extra oil from another job and making a deal to seal it on your driveway.
Or painting address numbers on the curb that wash away with the first rain.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - My best friend's little sister ran away from home at 16 to be a crust punks/street kids. I spent several nights out looking for her on the streets when I'd heard she might be in town. I know more than I'd like to about the subject tbh. She hopped trains too at one point.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
there should be a sci-fi movie about time gypsies aka time travelers who venture back and forth through time conning people
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
they would call it TIME GYP
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
PP - yeah, most of the traveller communities in the states seem to be in the south and are descended from travellers who left during the Famine, I guess.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
tarmacadam, kerblaying, painting are big traveller jobs in england so i'd guess the same over in the states
here, tbh, nobody would be likely to hire a known traveller workgang. the majority of known traveller community income comes from scrap metal deadling and welfare, the majority of assumed traveller income comes from illegal fighting and betting on same and criminal activity
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
timegyp awes
"they painted ID numbers on my starship and they washed off the first time i passed through a supernova."
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
'what do you mean the warpdrive is missing?'
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
ENBB how old is she now/she hasn't come back at all? that's the worst.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
R.A. Lafferty's story "Land of the Great Horses" isn't quite this but it does deal with gypsies and time travel, of a sort.
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:22 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
TIME TRAVELLER
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
"this so-called piece of rare metal from the betelgeusean system ended up being from pluto."
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
making a killing stripping down the remnants of the death star
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
- "So you went back in time to save Lincoln from being shot?"- "No, but I did do a really shitty job painting his barn."
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Time travel + Gypsies = Tim Powers' awesome Anubis Gates.
Also I like how we've established that there's no gypsies/travellers/roma on this thread, so it's a-ok for racist jokes about them.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
hmm i think imagining, as ilx is wont to do, what themes might run through a traveller-themed space movie doesn;t quite qualify, but i dunno
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
like i'm EVER going to catch up with the 238974394723947829342 posts since my monkey-ignorance post ~8 hours ago but
1. djp otm re learning that a word has racist connotations then never ever using it ever again2. had no idea whatsoever about the 'uppity' thing until this morning (thanks urbandictionary)3. ilx needs a racist word cataloguing thread for those of us who might say 'butter dish' without knowing what it means
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
xp i suppose we could ask the 'Is This Racist' thread, tbf
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh god i just looked up 'butter dish'
holy shit just GIS'd 'butter dish' these eyes these eyes doc they've seen too much
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm glad you two feel like you can joke about this.
http://images.gama-go.com/product/lifestyle/buddha-butter-dish-4.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
guys i don't see anything particularly...oh fuck
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
that's not racist look how happy he is!
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
i have a bunch of smiley Buddha's in the house :(
none of them are butter dishes tho, but one is a money box
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
fap at NV's house, i'll just hang back and rest my legs while you guys get the tour from him.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:57 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3f/Pluto_Nash.jpg/220px-Pluto_Nash.jpg
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
omar i think he's got about 60p in him, sorry
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ underlined "man"
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
damn
loses points for not spelling it 'da man' tho
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
he da maaaan on da moooon
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
Face book status update just now from girl I used to work with:
Lol my daughter comes home from school just now and says "was good lil niggie"Had to laugh! Lmbo.
Girl is P Rican and her daughter is a quarter black. Girl is in preschool.
Discuss.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
no chance
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
that is a massive can of worms
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
each worm holding its own smaller can of worms
russian cans of worms
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
LMQBAO.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l97zsvX6rf1qcqorzo1_500.jpg
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
I know. I read it and was like uhhhhh. 15 ppl like it BTW.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
I assume many, if not all, of them are Puerto Rican and/or black
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
Prob. Only actual comment so far was "smh she's too much!".
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think I ever put this in this thread but I once asked two guys (one Dominican one Puerto Rican why it was ok for them and their friends to call each other (and p much everyone else too) "my n****". They said it was because they weren't racist, it just meant the same thing as dawg, and because it was spelled "nikka". They focused on the spelling thing a lot tbh. I had never even heard that before!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
there's an ever-ongoing debate about that, was a big deal when fat joe used it
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
i had a friend who claimed it was weird that q-tip said "john holmes, the x-rated nigga" in a beastie boys song, like it was some kind of lyrical grenade the b boys were a little too proximate to.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah there's a whole book to be written about non-white and non-black (young) people adopting all kinds of coded-black language and style, generally through the lens of hiphop, but man i have never seen anyone write about it (to my knowledge) except for creepo racists complaining about it
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
777 New Answers
― Clay, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
figured everyone was freaking out about this one:
http://www.countryliving.com/cm/countryliving/images/7K/Butter-Dishes-Anthropologie-Maiden-0510-de.jpg
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
This thread reminds me of a v v v uncomfortable dinner my wife and I had with a couple that was buying one of my father in law's paintings. It was pretty clear early on that they were ultra right wingers and no one we would ever associate with willingly, but it got 1000000x worse when the guy made a comment that ended with "yeah, that's what we call 'em here, 'reggins', so they don't catch on". As I nearly bit through my tongue my wife was squeezing my arm so hard under the table that she drew blood.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
Ha that same Agatha Christie book that had the n-bomb also had a lady with a 'gypsy look about her' or some such. Feel like it was some extremely misguided early United Colours of Benetton attempt.
― kinder, Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
when the guy made a comment that ended with "yeah, that's what we call 'em here, 'reggins', so they don't catch on"
People who are similar in e.g. skin colour to you and therefore assume that you are exactly as bigoted as them are the worst people in the world imo. In previous work engagements I've been present while horrifyingly racist, sexist and anti-gay comments have been made by people who have assumed that everyone in the conversation is just like them. In every case I've kept my mouth shut but went permanently cold on the people concerned.
Also because of this thread I've had that crap Fleetwood Mac song in my head all morning so thanks.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
Holy shit jon
Please tell me you called them rekcarcs
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
I wish I would have thought of that at the time, I was just trying to stifle my anger and desire to just get up and leave. But seeing as how my father-in-law's only income is through the paintings he sells, I stuck with it for him.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god, according to google 'reggin' is a thing
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
In every case I've kept my mouth shut but went permanently cold on the people concerned.
This part is what I've been working on lately, the not keeping my mouth shut part. Not blaming you for doing so, mind, I used to do the same but I've decided I'd rather risk pissing someone off than to say nothing. A friend who teaches diversity training has been helping me with examples of how to address this head-on when it comes up. Its difficult, but I like to hope I can at least leave such situations not feeling like shit.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/gentlemansagreement1.jpg
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
I used to do the same but I've decided I'd rather risk pissing someone off than to say nothing.
I admire your forthrightness. The only reason I stay quiet is that usually I require them to do what I tell them to do. The only real satisfaction I get is by never recommending them for any other work ever, and actively recommending against them wherever possible.
'er indoors is ultra-long-term friends with someone who married a hideous old (straight white) bastard who routinely expects everyone in the room to just go along with his myriad expressions of horrific prejudice. Obviously I have to keep the peace because of the friendship thing, but I have managed to completely avoid that old shit for several years now and plan to continue doing so until he dies.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 20 January 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
No, I get it, there are some situations where you just can't stand up to them, for whatever reason. I just wanted to learn all I can to be well armed when I can actually try to confront them.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
Definitely. Sometimes I very nicely respond with FACTS, a tactic which has the nice double-effect of proving them wrong and shutting them the hell up.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 20 January 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
e.g. Chinese people DO NOT jam coins in their ears
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 20 January 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
"reggins":
...I just suspect that deep down (or maybe not that deep) the cumulative white viewpoint is that they're more different from their white neighbors than black people are from other black people. Purely supposition.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:18 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Partly based on my kind of recent realization that people mean black when they say "urban", for instance.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:19 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
urban = saggin
― noticing the cloud come (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:20 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
am i supposed to read that backwards
― and what, Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:21 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OMG
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:22 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
How did you even NOTICE that? Or is this something else I've missed?
andwhat:
fuck no! i realized after i posted, and was gutted. but no takebacks on ilx...
― noticing the cloud come (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:23 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
jesus
― noticing the cloud come (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:24 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
bahahahaha
― goole, Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:24 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
contendo u should google 'reggins' once.
those racists, so clever.
― goole, Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:25 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i am happy to have been totally clueless WR2 reggins
― noticing the cloud come (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:28 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 20 January 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'm now reading (like literally have open in another tab) that there are Irish Traveller communities in the States - who knew?!
We get quite a few as customers in the spring and summer.
― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
Where?
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
Irish Travellers aren't the same as the college kids who flood Montauk on their summer breaks from college. The communities I was talking about are of ppl born in the US descended from Irish Traveller families who maintain their traditions and language apparently.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
I'm trying to be more forthright about this, too (tho work is one place where it can be tricky). eg, though this wasnt about racism, an ex workmate on my FB the other day said, in the context of housing costs, "I jack up the rent on my Sydney property every year but its always within the legal margin. If you live inner city Melb you're practically asking to get raped."
I flat out told him it was a complete no no to say "asking to be raped" about SOMETHING THAT ISNT RAPE, but he wouldnt agree with me! Ugh.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 20 January 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
ENBB, we mostly get the women from North Augusta, SC.
― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 20 January 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting! Where are you? Sorry - I just find it totally fascinating esp the ones in America for some reason.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
I'm in the Hudson Valley.
You should google North Augusta and Murphy Village if you haven't already.
― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 20 January 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
Yep - was reading about MV earlier - will look into NA. For some reason I thought you were in NYC. I have no idea why.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it completely sunk in who incredibly wrong it is to reference rape unless you're talking about actual rape until the last few years. I knew it in concept, and frowned upon casual use of the word, but now it's like there's a big NO next to it in my internal dictionary.
― mh, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
And I think thats why people do maybe need to be braver and speak up more when people say thoughtless racist/sexist/bigoted things. Its very easy to be honestly unaware of an offence, and thats ok, bt who wants to go around saying something dreadful and not knowing it is? (that "itis" stuff upthreads a great case in point!)
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 20 January 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
Did I already mention upthread this girl my friend is hanging around who kept saying things were "gay" after he stated his disapproval just to bother him? Ugh
― mh, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah that shits me, Australians seem to do that a lot - defensively REFUSE to stop saying shit like "gay" or "fag" or "chink" or whatever, becase "its not my problem you have no sense of humour" is the common answer. Or "fuckin yanks cant tell us what to do". It is so embarrasing.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 20 January 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
This is correct, we cannot tell your countrymen not to be backward jailbird descendants with low class and bad humor. They will only defy our oppressive ways.
Did the really bad ones stop having intercourse with kangaroos yet?
Oh yeah, and shrimp on the barbie, etc
(Australian stereotypes)
― mh, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
back in college there was a bunch of folks hanging around the lounge drinking and getting wasted, as people are wont to do in college, and someone mentioned that something was "retarded" and this girl just went off on a three-minute rant about how offensive that word was to her, how she had a cousin or something who had down's syndrome, and basically the entire room just sat there stunned as she poured her heart out. i heard about this rant second-hand and after the fact because of course i stumble like an idiot drunk into the room just after she finishes the rant and burst out (referencing someone i can't remember) "god (x) is so RETARDED!!"didn't end well.
― omar little, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
Given that our political system is centred around victimising racial minorities and gay people for cheap vote grabs, you could make p much any allegation about Australians and it would be correct xp
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
I have seen people tear strips off others for calling people "dumb", because thats "abelist" to ... mutes? or something? I mean... o_0
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 20 January 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
crazy mind-meld with omar, but:
i had a major crush on a certain girl in college. i went to her dorm room for a lovely 'night in' (her words). we partook of the ... mycological... pleasures on offer and borrowed a telescope to look out her window at a meteor shower. a dormmate of hers stopped by and laughed at me for getting really excited about a constellation. i pulled out a 'stars are wonderful, don't be so retarded' and the visiting dormmate and the girl i'd been visiting both started crying and berating me for insensitivity while my ... chemically emboridered interpretation of events took me to some dark pit of loathing and despair and my host and her (other guest) made me look at a photo album of one of their brothers who had been brain damaged a few years before and was a, you know, better man than i would ever be. afteward they threw me out and never talked to me again.
― gnome (remy bean), Friday, 20 January 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago) link
Trayce, see upthread on gypsies - just because you never experience a set of people doesn't mean they don't exist and don't have feelings.
― emil.y, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
She'll be back later, she's gone on a brief walkabout
― gnome (remy bean), Friday, 20 January 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
So I read up on I Travellers in the US - p interesting then wound up on FB looking at IT's fb pages and stuff and well I really want someone to do some research into IT fashion. I mean where did it come from and how did the following end up becoming the in look for ladies:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395759_217937724956782_100002216682974_493944_442496284_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388186_219793021437919_100002216682974_498355_1651929339_n.jpghttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=217840858299802&set=a.217840788299809.54651.100002216682974&type=3&theaterhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=216089111808310&set=a.216082368475651.54313.100002216682974&type=3&theater
It's pretty amazing, really.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
I want to infiltrate and write a book about women in traveller communities. Seriously.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
I would probably have to dress the part which would likely be a deal breaker. Damn.
enbb's april WDYLL pic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Irish_Tinkers_1946.jpg
― omar little, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago) link
Wait Omar did you look at the links?
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
wau @ those pics ENBB linked to
― nah (crüt), Friday, 20 January 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol this reminds me of watching yt videos of the great tyson fury and his entourage, altho hes a bit more real obv
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 20 January 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
Tip of the iceberg, Crut. It's totally fascinating to me. You should see the communion gowns they put the little girls in. Most of them get pulled out of school or drop out at 15 or 16 and married soon thereafter. In the pics when they're complimenting one another they often compare one another to Barbie's or princesses. A lot of their wedding cakes are barbie themed too. I've seriously been looking at the girls' FB pics since about 8. It's pretty much another universe and totally fascinating imo.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
Barbies not posessive, oops
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
Or they compare each other to just dolls in general like here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=100823999958368&set=a.145486978825403.17469.100000923045945&type=3&theater
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
It's kind of like a cross between Jersey Shore and people of Wal-Mart
― mh, Friday, 20 January 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
That first pic with the bride and bridesmaids and the (presumed) maid of honor with her belly hanging out
wau
― mh, Friday, 20 January 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago) link
holy
― omar little, Friday, 20 January 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
I've always regretted not saying anything to a racist car service guy in NY a couple years ago. Since then I've twice had someone make shitty comments and both times I've just looked at people and lied to them - "my stepmother is black" and "my brother is gay" (I have no brother or stepmother).
Saying it in a serious, deadpan manner took them off guard and they started apologizing and backpedaling in a terribly uncomfortable way. Not sure if this is the right thing to do but it made me feel better and hopefully from now on they won't assume everyone is as racist / homophobic as they are.
― joygoat, Friday, 20 January 2012 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
I mostly agree, however "dumb" is a word in such common usage for "stupid" (rather than as a handicap) I really cant get with being reserved about its use... apart from the fact its rude to be calling someone dumb to start with, of course. I certainly dont like using words like "retard" or "spaz".
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 20 January 2012 06:05 (twelve years ago) link
like 90% of the words that are considered ableist began as medical terms ("dumb" for "mute") and were taken by the general public and turned into pejoratives, mostly aimed at intelligence. it's not far off from saying "that's so gay" when you mean "that's so stupid."
i've heard different arguments for and against "dumb" tho. also arguments that "stupid" itself is slur-ish and that the very idea of rating and quantifying someone's intelligence is oppressive. ableist issues are complicated like most things.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
'anything that makes things worse is a step towards sheeple waking up and revolting'
perhaps i'm just trolling myself, but this sort of thing strikes me as the logical and perhaps the inevitable endgame of politicized attempts to avoid oppressive speech. it's also the point at which the whole thing starts to seem like "harrison bergeron", like a ghastly parody of itself, and some long-buried reactionary impulse arises from my hindbrain. i start wondering whether cruelty, inequality and even oppression are such bad things, necessarily, and then i get spooked like what if i'm gonna start reading ayn rand and voting for ron paul? i tried to reassure myself by feeding the cat really expensive food and going extra rough with the charcoal soap when i took a shower, but still the shadow lingers.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 20 January 2012 07:00 (twelve years ago) link
DANG! that was supposed to respond to this:
i've heard different arguments for and against "dumb" tho. also arguments that "stupid" itself is slur-ish and that the very idea of rating and quantifying someone's intelligence is oppressive.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 20 January 2012 07:13 (twelve years ago) link
why wouldn't they be bad things? like, as i was saying in the other thread, these things exist simply because the people within marginalizations and intersections have shared their feelings on the issues, labeled them hurtful and damaging and destructive, and people with privilege should try to avoid contributing to all that.
but that's simple, and part of it is understanding that it will always be complicated and that fighting oppression boils down to a lot more than simply deciding what words can and cannot come out of your mouth.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 07:37 (twelve years ago) link
sorry for overuse of vague pronouns, hope that made sense
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 07:38 (twelve years ago) link
thanks, z, that helps.
i'm sometimes tempted to hammer my (generally pretty flexible) principles into these weirdly rigid logical mechanisms - which typically results in nonsensical pronouncements and cognitive dissonance. i get all het up and forget that common sense and compassion are a better default position than ironclad if-then integrity.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 20 January 2012 08:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think there's an obvious and enormous difference in using a word like 'dumb', which emerged from a medical term but is used, what, 99% of the time without any reference to that term in any meaningful basis, and using a racially pejorative term which genuinely can't/hasn't/may never evolve in language usage sufficiently far from the origin.
If you've a problem with the concept expressed by the '99%' meaning of 'dumb' (grading of people by intelligence), well tbh in a competitive world of scarce resources etc i wish you luck with that one tbh
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 08:46 (twelve years ago) link
or, perhaps using contenderizer's 'sense and compassion' model, i'd acknowledge that you can and maybe should take offence at anything you consider suitable, but maybe pick your battles?
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 08:51 (twelve years ago) link
The word 'Spaz': classic or dud?
― *feels chilling effect, shivers* (buzza), Friday, 20 January 2012 08:54 (twelve years ago) link
Thank you darragh, thats kind of what I was getting at. Pick yr battles indeed. I mean, yes, oppresive abuse sholdnt be tolerated, but come on.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:00 (twelve years ago) link
darraghmac, i'm not sure if you're talking directly to me, but i actually don't really have strong feelings either way on "dumb," i was just sharing POVs i've encountered about it. i don't really use it anyway, and i've sort of agreed with that strict idea about intelligence since i was in HS albeit for entirely different reasons. but as i said it's not one of those things that's as easy as self-censorship-goodbye-done.
with the intelligence thing, i do think it's always interesting that the two metrics we use (in american society anyway) to quantify intelligence, the IQ test and the SAT, were created by eugenicists trying to prove white intellectual superiority.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:08 (twelve years ago) link
ya, i understand. before i became ensconced in anti-racism stuff (which i barely even am, have not even read a whole bell hooks book loooool) my brain would act the same. i think my brain a year and a half ago would malfunction if it jumped to how it is right now, but i guess that's normal in any situation when your priorities shift.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:18 (twelve years ago) link
no, zach, just a muddled response to what i missed overnight tbh
The actual effectiveness of grading intelligence is (actually) another thread and i think everyone pretty much agreed that standard models/systems are far from perfect. I just measure wheel rims myself.
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:19 (twelve years ago) link
one last thing: you would be surprised how many white people defend their usage of the n-word by saying its meaning has evolved. i think i've read the line "i just use it to mean 'a bad person'" a million times.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:22 (twelve years ago) link
well i would 100 defend their right to do that
-_-
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:25 (twelve years ago) link
i wasn't suggesting you were. actually i regret posting that, comparing marginalizations isn't cool, nm, sorry.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:33 (twelve years ago) link
ha srsly don't mind me
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 09:40 (twelve years ago) link
Zach where do you go to college
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 20 January 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
backstage (on left) terrorizing plastic newborns
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8194/gunsyg.jpg
― Neanderthal, Friday, 20 January 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
Only racist if the baby is Jewish
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 20 January 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
omg TOTALLY the wrong thread
― Neanderthal, Friday, 20 January 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Neanderthal, Friday, 20 January 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://rvecafe.com/Assets5/bike01f.jpg
― Scrutable (Ówen P.), Friday, 20 January 2012 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLd3dYK6_Vs
mainly cuz it's a white guy
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
lol "mainly"
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 20 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
it's p well established that they're all racist
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah pretty racist but "which John Lee" can actually be a relevant question ime. "which Eric Pak" not as likely.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 20 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Side note: no video entitled "Shit _____ _____ say" has, to my knowledge, ever been funny
― frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Friday, 20 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
The NYers one made me giggle but that was mainly because of the "All I've had to eat today was a bagel" line.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the ny one was okayish
― iatee, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
I was trying to figure out if the guy in it was horatio sanz
― iatee, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol really? I don't know who he is but I'm p sure it wasn't Sans.
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
no it's just some rando comedian
― iatee, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
i like "shit white girls say to black girls" but on balance i wish the whole "shit ____ say" had never happened
― horseshoe, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't watched that one. . . .
― ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
The NYer one just reminded me of those YOU KNOW YOU'RE A MISSOURIAN IF… type emails I get every once in awhile.
― pplains, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
"shit no one says" was pretty funny i thought
lold at the first 20-30 seconds of "shit people say about the shit people say videos"
― max, Friday, 20 January 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Friday, January 20, 2012 1:35 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oh then you should DEFINITELY watch the brian williams "rock center" segment on it
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah "shit no one says" was pretty funny
I don't know where to put this but this story just depresses the hell out of me
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teens-detained-brutal-beating-chicago-boy-appears-youtube-video-article-1.1007573
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
idk why it surprises/depresses me in 2012 but I find it surprising and depressing that there's a knowyourmeme entry on it already
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/chicago-teens-beating-video
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i've seen clips of that video too many times... really brutal
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, January 20, 2012 8:10 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
just graduated u of maryland
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
If you have any tolerance for those things, I liked "Shit polys say"
― Scrutable (Ówen P.), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
oh damn in college park? my wife is in grad school there
― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
o shit what's she studying
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
microbiology/virology
― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
welp there's a 100% chance i've never been in the same room as her
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah i figured, it is a giant giant school, just sayin
― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
!!!
― 51 fewer calories (Lamp), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
what...people are scientists, it happens y'know
― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
i do know in fact!
― 51 fewer calories (Lamp), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Someone has to save Gwyneth Paltrow.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 20 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
lamp are you a microbiologist? fess up
― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
im working on my doctorate in somewhat related field
― 51 fewer calories (Lamp), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
oh badass
― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
actually, within the field it's known as IBS
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
i liked 'shit birds say'
― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Monday, 23 January 2012 06:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/let_them_eat_tacos_mayors_regrettable_response_to_police_abuse_of_latinos.php
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg
― joepacabra (am0n), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
i chuckled
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
holy hell, I'd heard about this but I hadn't seen the video
how in the world
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
not entirely sure thats not some tosh point zero skit
― joepacabra (am0n), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
I had to turn it off when he said "I might go out and get tacos in the Italian community"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
that is a really amazing video
― dayo, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
Wow. That motherfucker just keeps going. One of his advisors off-camera likely sprained something giving the mayor the "cut-off" gesture.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/R8xhh.gif
― dayo, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
That. guy. is. amazing.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, his tongue just sunk all the way down in his gut and he just kept going with it.
Gave it the equivalent of the PURPLE BROWN GREEN WHITE OR BLACK treatment.
― SOPA/PILLA (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.maturo2011.com/photos/1.jpg
― buzza, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn.theatlanticcities.com/img/upload/2012/01/25/taco2/largest.JPG
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
chips, guacamole, and meatballs
― omar little, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
you guys I can't stop laughing at this dude
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
taco bellissimo
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Joe-Maturo-Jr/118816084863224?sk=wall
― buzza, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Nancy McBethIf East Haven doesn't nip this issue in the bud, your good city will become a Third World country. The city will see an exponential explosion in the Latino population. Look at what has happened to southern California.
― buzza, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
I can't change my display name yet again this week but "I may have tacos for dinner tonight" is calling to me.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
with the italian community or
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
*looks at what has happened to southern California*
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
Nancy McBethIf East Haven doesn't nip this issue in the bud, your good city will become a Third World country. The city will see an exponential explosion in the Latino population. Look at what has happened to southern California.― buzza, Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:21 PM
― buzza, Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:21 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/273443_686045385_5659154_n.jpg
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_u3rxdrzQFuw/STfN1CEB-9I/AAAAAAAAHaE/yQvfcW2oPOQ/s320/Spaghetti_Taco.jpg
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 26 January 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj4izpsUnv1qeajrpo1_500.jpg
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 26 January 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
i'd make fun of this guy but jesus christ he reminds me of myself and i'm kind of uncomfortable with this
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
tacos to you
― mh, Thursday, 26 January 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
i'd eat that http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Thursday, 26 January 2012 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.memedr.com/images/151-foul-bachelor-frog-taco-night-every-night.jpg
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Thursday, 26 January 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ IRL LOL
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Thursday, 26 January 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
in all fairness that reporter was being a total dick
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
No, he gave the mayor a chance to apologize or otherwise weasel out of his racist comment. Instead, the mayor doubled-down on his batshittery.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
If more reporters were total dicks like that, a lot of politicians wouldn't get away with nearly as much of their bullshit.
I mean, there was a non-offensive way to make the (still stupid) point I think he was reaching for: "I believe in repairing relations by supporting businesses, so I encourage all residents of East Have to go out and patronize Latino-owned businesses. I myself plan to visit a Latino-owned restaurant for dinner this evening; we are a strong, diverse community that can come together and support each other." Instead, he went with "well, I may have tacos for dinner tonight" and, when called on it, didn't say "hmm, maybe that was a poor choice of words, but what I mean is blah blah blah". He said, "well I'm Italian, and some people think that's an ethnicity, now go ahead and twist my words"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
wait, you mean he wasn't just making a joke?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
Did you watch the video before deciding to play cap'n-save-a-racist?
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it looked to me like he was trying to make a joke, which backfired in his face, and then he tried to make it look as though it was a serious response through some grand display of twisted logic. Did you think he was being serious?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
whiney is banned and ^^this shitbird is still here
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
ilxpriorities
this really is lost on you, huh
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
no man, i really agree with everything the mayor said. tacos, spaghetti, or whatever Chinese people eat - we all need to support our particular communities through actions we may or may not choose to take
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
pls guide me great sage from the somethingawful / twoplustwo forums
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
wait wtf whiney is re-banned? how the hell'd that happen
I hit the road for a week and hell breaks loose
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
he got banned but its cool http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
what did whiney do now?
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=74956
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
idgi
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
this thread has 2500 msgs I'm not loading the whole thing
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:22 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
frogbs! this is like you considering the onion paterno article 'tasteless': you get to be a dick, & the seemingly dickishness 'insistence' of your behaviour excuses itself, if it's for the right reasons. i get that he was not behaving in a regular way, or was being awkward; he wasn't obeying a compliant, polite social norm that one would obey if the guy wasn't spitting bullshit, and that 'dickishness' was appropriate.
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
that's also called, being a reporter. it's his job.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
yes, & dan otm. it's sorta like that recent times article thing, should we just print bullshit
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
I don't disagree with any of that. Different thread but the tastelessness of the Onion article was WHY I liked it. We're kind of talking about different issues here and IMO it all hinges on whether or not his initial response was meant as serious or not (apparently, it was? idgi)
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like the longer you watch it & get acquainted with how ridiculous the guy is, the less inclined you should be to believe it was an honest, well-intentioned mistake. it's like being like "so what, the guy said blleeuurrgh" & then reading up on everything else about rick santorum for context.
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Can we go back to how wholly inappropriate it is to make a joke about 10% of your constituency being pissed with you after four of your police officers were handed a federal indictment alleging racial profiling and harassment against them? It "being a joke" almost makes it worse; he's not taking the situation seriously enough to respond seriously, and furthermore his unserious response makes the people with the grievance the butt of the joke rather than himself and the police force.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
it all hinges on whether or not his initial response was meant as serious or not (apparently, it was? idgi)
Yes, we know.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
maybe unfair bc idk if he is otherwise terrible on the same topics, but he was fumbling for some easy liberal-media-bias outs while trying to recoverxp + yes
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
We're kind of talking about different issues here and IMO it all hinges on whether or not his initial response was meant as serious or not (apparently, it was? idgi)
what dan said. of course it was a joke. it was a nasty, mocking, racist joke that trivializes the serious accusations of racism made against his police department. the fact that dude was joking hardly excuses his behavior.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
it all hinges on whether or not his initial response was meant as serious or not
actually this really doesn't matter at all imho
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
IMO it all hinges on whether or not his initial response was meant as serious or not
wtf no. whether it was a joke or not doesn't change the fact that he was basically saying idgaf about this issue
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not trying to excuse it!! to those saying "yes, we know" or "of course it was a joke", did you read the responses below mine?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
yes it does, that's what makes the video funny
think you guys are seriously trying to attribute shit to me that i'm not even saying, c'mon
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.booksamillion.com/covers/bam/0/37/543/000/0375430008.jpg
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
you should probably stop trying to explain why things are funny to you, fwiw
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
what makes the video funny is the weird tone-deaf double-down on the stupid position, mixed in with "oh I bet you'll twist my words to make me look bad"/"no, I think I'll just go with what you said" and the "some people think I have an ethnicity"/"I may go have tacos with the Italians" wtf statements
the intent as shown in the video is reprehensible and not at all funny, but fortunately dude is such an incompetent that you can quickly get past that and just laugh at his dumb ass
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
to those saying "yes, we know" or "of course it was a joke", did you read the responses below mine?
what difference does that make? you're the only one here trying to defend this "funny" racist asshole.
the only funny thing funny about the video is the sick comedy of idiotic human shittiness on public display.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
So many Sylvan Reading books and not one has a frog on the cover :(
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
jesus, i'm not trying to defend the guy, take your pitchforks elsewhere people
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
go ahead and twist my words
― Detrius "The-Dream" Nash (symsymsym), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:22 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you are seriously the worst poster on ilx, and that's saying something
― dave cool it (stevie), Thursday, 26 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
See, I thought this was a sign that you'd had a breakthrough and were up to some serious thinkin, but it's not looking like the frog can change his spots.
― Je55e, Friday, 27 January 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://ladygalore.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/thinking-frog.jpg
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
because I called out the reporter? you guys make some weird ass assumptions
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:20 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, it was that comment coupled w/ the display name frogs you are the dumbest asshole , which I found self-deprecatingly humorous.
― Je55e, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
B/c I thought you identified some of your own questionable traits.
― Je55e, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
i've definitely made some bad jokes that i had to try to explain myself out of and wound up making myself look like an idiot. also I enjoy tacos. i might eat one right now...
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
is this racist?https://twitter.com/retwarted
― Sébastien, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
1000timesyes
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
like 75% of these he just did a google search for "n*gga" or "fart" and then retweeted all the ones that weren't in standard english, to showcase them as "retarted"
can't wait to read the frogbs defense
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
the frogbs defenseby John Grisham
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Friday, 27 January 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
I always read that as 1000timeseyes.
― gonna give her the old fuquay-varina (Jenny), Friday, 27 January 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
he's r/ting some white people too. maybe you think he's racist against whites too.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
I have white friends
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
whites, italians, latins, afro-americans, it's all the same to me.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
Italians aren't white?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://raidreviews.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/dennis-hopper.jpg
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
Do people* still say afro-american?
*other than frogbs
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/24/129009015073555710.jpg
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
racist against white people
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
never change frogbs, never change
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
reverse frogsbsism
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
Racist against himself
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
So, someone says some pretty dumb-ass things. Guess what? We all have and, tbh, I feel like FBS's posting has improved at least a tiny bit since he first showed up. I feel like this has turned into one of those situations where people are jumping down the dude's throat no matter what he says. SB me for "defending" him if you want, but imho some people's reactions to his posts as of late are just as embarrassing, if not more so, as the posts they're intending to address.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
not gonna sb u e but if someone watches that video and think its the journalist who has the problem then they can go get fucked tbh
― dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
Also, fwiw, that mayor is obviously an idiot but I also thought the reporter was being pretty dickish. I'm not, mind you, saying that he didn't have the right to be dick given the situation.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
yah fbs is a pin cushion for lazy/entrylev zings atm
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
I think his posting has changed for the better but I also think promoting some level of self-consciousness about what he's saying would be good.
"baby psychology"
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - I thought they both came off badly.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think calling a guy out for being racist is particularly dickish. He was clearly angered by what the mayor said and I think was fairly restrained while making his point and even giving the dumb shit a chance to retract or rephrase what he said.
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
sorry for use of "dumb" there
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
if I was the reporter I would have let him keep talking, the mayor is very willing to hoist himself on his own petard, without much prompting.
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone who defends frogbs within minutes of him bringing up "racist against whites" is on some next level trolling, imho.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
Journalists should let MORE people ramble on and hang themselves, tbh. Covering up the interviewee's real thoughts and/or softening them to make him more palatable probably contributes to people not realizing how HORRIBLE their leaders are.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - Yeah, because I'm a notorious troll.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
Laruel otm.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
I wasn't serious, just seems really weird timing to start defending him!
walk it back
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
its not that fbs doesnt post terrible crap, just theres a lot of bad faith from ppl who appresh having such an easy outlet for cheap scorn
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
"appresh"
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
That's probably some amount of true, but he could stop being that outlet anytime.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
appreesh is the correct spelling
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
and disappoint a lot of ppl xp
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - That's pretty much exactly what was bugging me.
I picked a really bad time to post this btw because I have 2 grant deadlines today but I just want to stress that I'm not disagreeing with the fact that FBS posts a lot of very questionable shit at all. It's just sort of weird how people seem to be going after every single thing he says lately. Not even talking about this thread specifically - just in general.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
Then again I don't read every single post the guy makes so i might be wrong. It's just the impression that I've gotten over the past couple weeks.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
That reporter did not come off badly in the slightest. If anything, I give him credit for not punching the mayor in the face on camera.
There is probably an argument about the reporter attempting to browbeat the mayor into his own point of view that could be made, but if the mayor had even an ounce of brains he could have said one of a bazillion things to defuse/de-escalate the situation, from saying "that was worded poorly" to "that joke didn't work" to not saying it in the first place.
An interesting info nugget that I didn't know:
Pedro Gutierrez, the owner of the Guti'z bakery, said the comment showed the mayor is out of touch because many Latinos in East Haven are from Ecuador, where tacos are not a part of cuisine, as they are in Mexico. But he said it also shows disrespect for all Hispanics.
So, not only was the comment flip and dismissive of a serious question, it also showed that the mayor doesn't know the demographics of his own city.
I am not inclined to give this fucker any ounce of leeway; the reporter could have shot him in the face on-camera and I would still side with the reporter.
FYI I kind of think anyone taking frog's "racist against whites" as a face-value earnest position needs to check themselves.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
Uh, have you read his posts?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
Don't be an ass.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
Racist against asses.
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not trying to be an ass! There have been enough indications in his posts that he might actually think racism against whites is a real thing. At the very least he has a fundamental misunderstanding of racism and how it works.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, right here ON THIS THREAD I am calling out actual questionable stuff he's written; the "racist against whites" post follows a pretty well-established pattern by now where people will pre-emptively accuse him of something so he wades in with both feet in what reads to me as a very unambiguous "whatever, you don't know me" attitude.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs is definitely not worth arguing with a poster I like over
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
ha agreed!
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
Many xps to someone: Italians didn't used to be white, at least not I the sense of being unmarked in US society. Neither the Irish and Jews, notably. Cf. "no Irish need apply" etc. All these groups eventually became unmarked/"white" as post-immigration generations assimilated, spoke English, etc etc, because you know they had white skin. There's a book I haven't read called "How Jews Became White Folks" that is about this.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
I just refer to myself as Non-Hispanic these days.
― pplains, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
(xp) America is weird
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
Irish not white? LOL now I've heard everything.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
The Irish became white after they'd been out of Ireland long enough to stop being a pasty pale blue.
― ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
part of frogsbs's charm is it's impossible to tell when he's kidding because it all is delivered the same
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
Seems like white = Protestant?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
basically
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
There's a book I haven't read called "How Jews Became White Folks" that is about this.
great book. worth reading
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
"white folks" is kind of a catch-all for a specific blending-in or lack of obvious ethnic difference from the mainstream, right?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
the journalist wasn't remotely being a dick, he was being a really good journalist, and i am stunned that in a universe where Fox News exists that this is confusing to anyone.
― dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
like, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_puPnPftfoLI/TMM_6mXJIDI/AAAAAAAAAmM/KW3IZOWBGO0/s1600/Shit_from_Shinola.JPG
― dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
when i said "can't wait to read the frogbs defense" i was being sarcastic. cause i knew there was a 100% chance he was going to go with "racist against white people."
there are some msg boards on the internet that i read where fbs would be the most liberal one there (sports boards ugh), it's just surprising to see it at ilx. and it's surprising to see someone post so often in the "is this racist" thread, p much responding to every single thing with ridiculousness and a small amount of racism. it's cheap, but look what thread this is.
anyway frogbs, it is not possible for white people to be the victims of racism, because racism is systemic and requires power. in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us. and the twitter itself retweets mostly black people saying things written with AfAm dialect bits, most of which are obviously only there because he codes them as black and therefore stupid. the fact that he's a dick to some white people also doesn't mean that that racism isn't clear as day.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
hey man, I apologize, I didn't think you'd actually seriously reply to that!
i'm not even sure why you'd think anyone would have to defend a joke twitter account!
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us.
Congratulations, you have made me think "I wish Momus was still here".
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
anyway frogbs, it is not possible for white people to be the victims of racism, because racism is systemic and requires power. in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us.
maybe totally off-topic here, but i'm not sure this is true. pretty much 100% of all claims of racism against white people in America is bogus subterfuge used to cover up actual systemic racism. at the same time, i'm pretty sure white people can be victims of racism
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
nope. prejudice, discrimination, perhaps. most dictionaries don't agree, but dictionaries aren't perfect. racism is power + prejudice, and suggesting otherwise is derailing in conversations about actual racism. which is both personal AND systemic. white people will never be systemically victimized. it's important to make this distinction.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
So, just checking, it it racist to call you a ignorant Yank with no concept of difference between your country and others?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
restricting that generalization to America is probably wise (see my ranting upthread about Kazakhstan)
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Or, in the interest of fairness, possibly some awareness of the difference, but no concept that it should stop you making grand pronouncements?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/fladj11/Signs%20Pics%20and%20Sayings%202/GeorgeCastanzaEatingPopcorn.gif
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
is "yank" even a racially loaded word? you can call me a stupid cracker and it wouldn't be racist. my feelings might be a lil bit hurt but not because of racism, just cause you would be acting kind of a dick.
insert that louis ck bit about this. like, you can do a million little things against me that appear to be based off my race, but in the end of the day i will still have racial privilege and power.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
That's crazy.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
zach just took this thread in a weirder direction than even frogbs had. congratulations!
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
GEORGE IS GETTING UPSET!! xxxp
― future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think "can't be racist against whites" is a grand pronouncement, i think it's just true.
this whole thing comes out of "post-racial" thinking, which is all about ignoring the fact that different races are in different places in the power structure. and that white people are still at the top by a couple miles. there's nothing someone can do or say to me that would make me lose this power.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't understand why people seem to be reacting like zach said something crazy. It makes sense to me?
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
haha i'm sorry for regurgitating some words commonly spoken from pretty much every single anti-racist writer or thinker from the past forty years.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Is racism really about power rather than hatred?
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
Laurel, he didn't say anything crazy at all.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
So like, a poor black person hates a poor latino person because they're latino and it's not racism becaues they're both poor?
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
without a doubt
i mean most white people who say racist things deny the fact that they're racist because what they said wasn't hateful. pretty broad misunderstanding
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
this whole thing comes out of "post-racial" thinking
No no, tell me more - you have a reading list?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
what i said was "you can't be racist against white people." neither the black person or the latino has racial power and power is at the center of racism. i'm not sure what anyone said about being poor.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
there's nothing someone can do or say to me that would make me lose this power.
We could drop you in North Korea?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
Well, I was thinking poor in terms of class equality.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
it's racism because it's about asserting one's position within a racial hierarchy/power structure
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Have you ever been to Japan?
xp: lol Andrew
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
again this is just some argument where people are coming at the same word w/ different meanings. can white people be discriminated against? yes. it is not very hard to imagine a situation where white people are discriminated against. is that the beginning and end of your definition of 'racism'? if it is, then yeah, we're done. if it's not, then blah blah something zachlyon said.
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Like, you can hate a white person because of their race or perceived racial characteristics, regardless of whether or not they are a good person.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
this is why I said it's wise to restrict this generalization to America. when you get into other cultures where "white" is not the dominant, empowered ethnicity it doesn't apply, obviously.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
So basically people are piling on and wilfully misunderstanding zachlyon's post simply because he didn't emphasise the fact that his statements are a contingent rather than necessary property of society? Jesus fucking Christ.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
welcome to ILX, tho
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not willfully misunderstanding anything. I don't understand.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
zach's working def of racism is pretty useful I think. maybe it's a little narrow, but why not keep in mind things like power and racial priveledge when discussing racism?
I think people can be racist against whites, but when you factor in priveledge and power, it's rare around these parts.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
That's why this thread is pretty boring, because like 90% of white people have said racist shit at some point, the discussion of "how hateful is this" is way more interesting. Because most stuff ITT so far is racist but not really harmful, which is kind of like "ok, whatever"
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
(I mean, I actually agree with what zach said, I just wanted to interject the whole "point doesn't scan globally" thing)
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
xp it should be restricted to america and other places that were affected by white colonialism.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
racist but not really harmful
All racism is harmful, jesus wtf. It's not intentionally malicious maybe, but that is not the same thing.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
anyway frogbs, it is not possible for white people to be the victims of racism, because racism is systemic and requires power.
eh, that's only one way of defining racism, and it's a particularly rigid and extreme interpretation of that definition. i mean, i agree that the less powerful don't typically have the power to oppress the more powerful, but i don't think that this means they can't be bigoted, racist, w/e. we need more precise language for this.
another important caveat is that large-scale social power imbalances aren't necessarily reflected in every area of society. a single white kid at an otherwise all-black school might well experience severe, oppressive anti-white racism, even if the society at large is white-dominated.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
it should be restricted to america and other places that were affected by white colonialism.
That reminds me, if Italians aren't white, what are Spaniards then?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
We have more precise language for this! "Bigoted", "prejudiced", etc.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, you yourself used "bigoted" in your post
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
there are 101 ways to say it's cold in some languages
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
a single white kid at an otherwise all-black school might well experience severe, oppressive anti-white racism
the exercise of power, while inverted from the dynamic of America society at-large and within the limited milieu of the school, is still the key factor in this scenario though.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
i'll continue taking shit for it, though i will concede to the fact that it isn't the same globally (just MOSTLY globally) -- i think it is derailing to suggest that racism against white people exists, in that it distracts and subtracts from fighting anti-POC racism which is a million times more relevant than a white person feeling oh-so victimized for something they are likely capable of running away from and never having to deal with again. racism isn't just about microaggressions, it's about the fact that people who are non-white (throughout most of the globe) will never be able to escape racism and its effects.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
rolling "where would this be racist?" thread
― buzza, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
So basically people are piling on and wilfully misunderstanding zachlyon's post simply because he didn't emphasise the fact that his statements are a contingent rather than necessary property of society?
Yeah, but it's not like we're saying "Oh yeah but if you imagine a magical land where white people don't have systemic power", we're pointing out that there are quite a lot of them that he's completely ignoring in favour of making sweeping statements that only work if you add "in the following countries" after them. And we're probably being generous by assuming there are multiple countries in the silent proviso,
If you measure the most human beings whose lived experiences you're ignoring, that might actually be the most racist thing on this thread <- NB I am straight trolling here.
Also I'm aware that "some countries are racist against whites" is generally tricky territory, which is one of the many reasons I don't actually want Momus back.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
Impressive that ILX can STILL go through this argument. zachlyon otfm throughout today and I don't understand whats difficult about it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
don't misread that though, it's not only harmful because it distracts, but because it ignores the systemetic...ness and power involved in anti-POC racism. the point is that i shouldn't have to say "anti-POC racism," it should just be assumed that "racism" is anti-POC.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
nobody can win an argument over the definition of a word that has multiple definitions
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
bigotry and prejudice aren't necessarily race-related. racism is conventionally understood as race-related negative prejudice. academic attempts to redefine it as race-related negative prejudice that reflects and enables social power imbalances strike me as profoundly misguided. we do need language to talk about the prejudice that relates to power imbalances (whether race-related or not), but it's be better, imo, to find some words that don't already have commonly understood definitions.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
exactly. it's important to have a word that specifically refers to systemic racism, and trying to whitewash it isn't helpful to anyone.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
exactly. it's important to have a word that specifically refers to systemic racism
you p much undermined your whole point in your use of the word here
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
All racism is harmful, jesus wtf.
Sorry but I don't really agree with this.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I agree with his point of view! But the fact that he's brushing off any attempts to actually introduce nuance* with "yeah yeah but you know what I mean" makes him look like some dumb bastard who read a book.
*Small things. Like China.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
Those Asian country examples don't really refute anything zach said imo. AFAIK, white people aren't systemically discriminated against by powerful institutions in Japan (i could be wrong...? i have not been there), and a white person dropped into North Korea's main problem wouldn't really be racism, would it? I mean, NK isn't a racist state, it's a totalitarian one. If you guys could find a country where white people live and are discriminated against in a widespread, systemic fashion, you'd have a point, but I can't think of one. Certainly, white people can experience bigotry though--humans are good at that shit.
― rob, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
but you're specifically referring to a definition of racism that was selected by white people. those are the definitions that always seem to win out, somehow! again, i'm just regurgitating 101 stuff that is assumed in anti-racist communities/writing, where your definition of racism has never been accurate. and i think when it comes to matters of racism, it should be the marginalized making the decisions, not the oppressing class.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
See what Zachlyon's talking about is Systemic Racism or Institutional Racism. His take on those types of racism being the only types of racism feels like one of those things that may get adopted in academia or whatever, but won't really fly when it leaves the classroom and you have to actually, you know, communicate with real people.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
When is racism helpful frogbs?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
fyi North Korea is very racist xxxp
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
xp - not what I was implying
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
again, shouldn't have to qualify "racism" with "systemic" to get to its actually-relevant usage, just doing it for sake of clarity in this discussion
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
it's important to have a word that specifically refers to systemic racism, and trying to whitewash it isn't helpful to anyone.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, January 27, 2012 9:55 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
exactly! the word (phrase) you're looking for is systemic or institutional racism. that's a sensible way to describe racism (negative racial prejudice) when it has been granted destructive agency by social power imbalances. attempting to redefine the useful and flexible word "racism" so that it can only possibly describe systemic/institutional racism strikes me as foolish.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
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― buzza, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
fyi you definitely experience this to some degree in Mexico as well. not saying I was really hurt by it but it's not like the concept of being looked down upon or being treated different because of your race isn't just an American thing
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
like the concept of being looked down upon or being treated different because of your race isn't just an American thing
You don't say?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
and i think when it comes to matters of racism, it should be the marginalized making the decisions, not the oppressing class.
serious question - can we talk about why they made that decision, or do we just have to accept it? like, why would it be so bad to just say "systemic racism" when that's what we mean? so far we've just been fighting over this piece of turf without discussing why it's valuable.
― lukas, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
If you guys could find a country where white people live and are discriminated against in a widespread, systemic fashion, you'd have a point, but I can't think of one.
what about countries where groups of people who would all be considered "white" in America discriminate against each other. cuz these places exist.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
AFAIK, white people aren't systemically discriminated against by powerful institutions in Japan (i could be wrong...? i have not been there)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Ethnic_issues
Anecdotally, when I was there in 1993, my two best friends in the group I went with were blue-eyed blondes who caught people staring at them, crossing the street when they approached, following them in stores, and making "wide-eye" gestures about them. They complained to me about how uncomfortable and out of place they felt and I, with some amount of satisfaction because it was a true statement, said "Really? This feels just like being in the US to me."
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
"academic" tho? i was a silly english major, i was never academically into anti-racism. i don't see audre lourde or bell hooks or even like, the bs of tim wise to be academic, i see that stuff as communicating with real people. i can see the distinction... i wouldn't say the same about spivak. but when dealing with "real people" i find it important to share, if it's relevant, the fact that the anti-racist community defines "racism" in a specific way and that it's important to spread that usage. and then, "real people" can either choose to agree with it or disagree. nothing academic about it.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
just reposting that bc i think it's hugely otm
That's totally, totally academic : D
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
Agree 100% with zachlyon and Shakey. I wrote a blog about Diane Abbott a couple of weeks ago (for US readers: a black British MP who was accused of anti-white racism after a careless tweet) making just this point and was amazed how many commenters took this bogus post-racial line that racism was all the same and had nothing to do with power. Even more amazed to see it coming from smart people on ILX.
― Meme Rogers (DL), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
He didn't say! There was a 'not' before there ... which he probably regrets.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, January 27, 2012 10:00 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i don't know that this is true. it seems to me that the definition of racism that you're pushing reflects the attitudes of a specific group of liberal academics. i get the reasoning and i think the underlying POV is admirable, but the push to redefine the word in this manner nevertheless strikes me as unnecessary and counterproductive. why make this word a battleground when the phrase "systemic racism" is perfectly adequate? don't we already have enough to fight about?
i agree that the racism we need to worry about is the racism that enables large-scale social oppression, and in this society, that's almost always the racism directed by whites at people of color.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
lol whoops, this is why i hate talking in negatives
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
good point, Shakey, I did not consider that.
i'm a blue-eyed blond and have experienced that too DJP (in Mexico and India), but I felt like that was as much anti-foreigner/American/colonialist-oppressor sentiment than the way people of color are treated in the US
― rob, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
But the racism that is discussed in this thread is usually the other kind. Bigtroy and stereotypes and such.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 1:01 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
Can you elaborate on this? (Like, if this opinion comes from Brian Myers's book, I think Brian Myers says a lot of useless shit and is himself very culturally condescending toward both North and South Korea).
IMO, the nationalism that NK and SK and JP present come from very specific historical circumstances of war and military occupation by the West and mostly the US, and is a common form of cultural nationalism that has emerged in postcolonial societies.
When I was in Korea, I had a white friend who compared the constant stares she got to being a black woman in America, which is so fucking not true.
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
xxp - thats true but its a little hard to compare since those countries are very monocultural (as is nearly everywhere outside of America)
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, January 27, 2012 5:55 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
DJP, quit trying to whitewash racism, dude.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
xps: which is to say "i too agree that systematic racism is the most important type to be worried about."
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
I wrote a blog about Diane Abbott a couple of weeks ago (for US readers: a black British MP who was accused of anti-white racism after a careless tweet) making just this point and was amazed how many commenters took this bogus post-racial line that racism was all the same and had nothing to do with power. Even more amazed to see it coming from smart people on ILX.
― Meme Rogers (DL), Friday, January 27, 2012 10:10 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i would never say that racism is "all the same" or that it has nothing to do with power. i am not "post-racial". it is power that gives racism the ability to do harm on a large, social scale. i understand that. i nevertheless feel that the word "racism" is best understood as describing any sort of negative, race-related prejudice, whether or not it reflects larger, systemically racist power structures.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
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― buzza, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
why don't you think about where your definition is coming from? why do you think it inherently holds more weight than mine? because it was put in the dictionary that way by a bunch of old white dudes? why are you under the impression that your definition is set in stone when there are clearly huge amounts of people who disagree with it?
i think it's important to not say "systemic racism" because racism is systemic and saying "systemic racism" is essentially putting anti-POC racism as a subset and putting the anti-white distinction at the very top.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
IMO, the nationalism that NK and SK and JP present come from very specific historical circumstances of war and military occupation by the West and mostly the US
You sure about that?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
based on that wikipedia link, Japan does sound like it complicates the broader argument. The implication seems to be that in Japan there is general xenophobia as well as specific racism toward Koreans. I didn't get the sense that white foreign nationals are the victims, though reading one random wikipedia article is obv insufficient.
― rob, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
again, contenderizer, you're asking me to defend why ppl in the anti-racist community use their definition of "racism," but you're not actually defending why you use your definition. who was it that determined that your usage is the correct one? is it because you were brought up that way and you've always assumed that to be the right definition? what about all the people who are brought up with the other definition?
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:17 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark
I mean I can qualify it by saying that what's going on currently? And also I was talking about what white people often perceive as racism towards whites. But it sounds like you disagree, so why don't you elaborate?
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
those countries are very monocultural (as is nearly everywhere outside of America)
where do you get this bullshit from
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
the anti-racist community
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, xenophobia makes an appearance!
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
I get the impression that JP is like Ancient Rome--no one from there can fathom why anyone else would ever leave or not want to be Japanese (/Roman). Outside the walls of citizenship and belonging, there be nothing but barbarians.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
Still waiting to hear frogbs' times when racism is not harmful.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
Suggest visitng London
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
― rayuela, Friday, January 27, 2012 1:20 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark
And just to add again, I wasn't talking about issues between Korea and Japan, or the very real racism that exists inside those cultures toward migrant workers, ethnic minorities, etc. I was responding in the context of the discussion about racism against whites.
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 12:57 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
You gotta just stop making statements like this and just leaving it. I mean you may (I don't really see how personally but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) have a point in there somewhere but at least try to explain. Or maybe don't. Maybe never ever post on threads about race or gender if you're gonna just drop those sort of bombs but not try to explain yourself in any way. Dude,don't make me regret my earlier posts! >:O
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
My understanding from friends who live there is that Japanese people love to put white people who can speak Japanese on television, but there is a definitive glass ceiling in terms of upward movement in companies. Although again, a lot of this is info verging on a decade old by this point.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
things are not put in the dictionary to further the interests of old white dudes, they are put in the dictionary because that is the way people use those words. that is what a dictionary is for.
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
you know, the GOOD kind of racism
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
I was responding in the context of the discussion about racism against whites.
Don't think you can blame the US for that tbh
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
why make this word a battleground when the phrase "systemic racism" is perfectly adequate? don't we already have enough to fight about?
bc as soon as you start saying "systemic racism" in place of "racism," you're going to get giant swathes of white people saying that they're also victims of systemic racism. this whole argument isn't about semantics as much as it's about white people making themselves the center of the racism discussion. which is why i say it's derailing more than anything else.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
is this a contested or problematic term? honestly not sure what you mean here. are you saying there's no reason to distinguish b/t xenophobia and racism?
― rob, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
i think it is derailing to suggest that racism against white people exists, in that it distracts and subtracts from fighting anti-POC racism which is a million times more relevant than a white person feeling oh-so victimized for something they are likely capable of running away from and never having to deal with again. racism isn't just about microaggressions, it's about the fact that people who are non-white (throughout most of the globe) will never be able to escape racism and its effects.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, January 27, 2012 9:51 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
there's a condescending tone here that really sticks in my craw. the blanket insistence that any racism that any white person experiences is necessarily trivial and something that can be easily escaped strikes me as contemptibly arrogant and (yes) prejudiced. on a large, social level, sure, i agree. but demographic truths don't define or limit individual experience (or vice-versa). i'm sure that in this world there are people of every race who have been racially oppressed in some form or another. all victims of racism are equally deserving of sympathy. this is not to plead "boo-hoo" for the many angry white assholes who live to whine about "reverse racism" or whatever. those fuckers can go to hell. this is simply to plead for sympathy, compassion and an open-minded willingness to understand that human experience cannot be confined either to politics or demographics.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
No, just that I don't think it had been mentioned so far (xp)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
Like, if we wanted to all agree to zachlyon's definition of the word, we should probably change this thread title to rolling "Is This Stereotypical?" thread, because this thread mostly deals with youtubes and bottle openers more than institutional oppression.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
this whole argument isn't about semantics as much as it's about white people making themselves the center of the racism discussion.
This deserves highlighting.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
the anti-racist community vs old white dudes
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
wtf is the anti-racist community? first i thought we were talking about idk fanon and said. now we're talking about what? livejournal anti-racists?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
i think that makes sense when you're talking to people among whom it's already understood that racism means that. obviously that kind of community understands, as everyone should, that racism in that sense is the big problem, not individual prejudice.
but there are other communities where not only is that not the prevailing definition of racism, but it's not even well understood that systemic racism is still a huge problem. and i think it would be valuable to keep saying "systemic racism" over and over in those communities to help people understand that it is.
in a sense this is a means vs ends discussion - i think we have the same ends (ending racism) but you object to my means (using the traditional white definition of racism to make myself understood.) in a larger sense you could object, in a totally valid way, to me organizing my whole rhetorical frame around people clueless enough to not understand the still-existing magnitude of institutional racism.
many xps which i guess is exactly this point this whole argument isn't about semantics as much as it's about white people making themselves the center of the racism discussion.
― lukas, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
zach is pretty otm here but like I think part of the issue with the liberal academic/anti-racist activist definition of racism := institutional/systemic racism is that for many Americans in recent decades in many communities calling someone a racist is like one of the *worst things you can accuse someone of*. Like plenty of people who hold implicitly biased attitudes towards people of X race would also tell you that they are not racist, because they were told/brought up to not be racist, not hate black folks, whatever. The elementary school version of the civil rights movement is that America/the South discriminated against black folks, and then we had lots of peaceful marches and now we don't do that anymore, and see this multicultural pack of crayolas? You shouldn't hate black people! Now let's celebrate Columbus Day drawing some Indians!
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
the anti-racist community fans
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer is otm across the board
I know it seems like you're on the side of the oppressed when you say that racism should only mean XYZ, even though XYZ is the less frequent use of the word today, but in narrowing the definition of the word you're not 'taking sides' you're just ensuring that even more people will be having pointless semantic arguments instead of actually talking to each other.
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
can someone link me to an author or text that makes a case that the OED's definition of racism is in fact racist or is this just signaling how open minded and awesome we all are and really just a stack of nonsense?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
like "racism" has this particular meaning for anti-racist activists that zach has been discussing and it's not what like most people think of when they hear "racism" cf. this thread. Hence people react super-defensively because fuck, they're not *racist!* *Nazis* are racist. Call me a racist again, you fucking asshole!
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
liberal academic/anti-racist activist definition of racism := institutional/systemic racism
This is not true. Zach's definition of racism is not the liberal academic definition of racism.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:25 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
At all? I'm not as familiar with Japan, but at least in Korea, the US military presence comes with a lot of problems, as it does in many other parts of the world. I'm not saying Koreans don't have hostility toward white people, but what I'm saying is that a lot of it comes out of a historical experience of military occupation, and at least in the power-racism thing that was going on above, it's a something that's emerged as a reaction to a form of oppression.
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like zachylon is saying that he needs evidence that racism that isn't systemic or institutional is the valid definition of the word when contenderizer & co are just saying that there are multiple valid definitions of racism
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
then ignore the "liberal academic" half? not essential to my point, I more mean that the definition of racism that zach is talking about is that which prevails in certain activist and intellectual circles. xp Mordy
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
er that's not exactly what i'm saying but i guess i disagree anyway. i'm not saying the people who decide on dictionary definitions are evil and ask "what are the ways we can make the english language as evil as possible today." i'm saying the fact that they're largely written by old white dudes guarantees that they will reflect the usage of old white dudes.
you have to be really naive to think that dictionaries are the perfect communicators of usage. there's a reason they're updated every few years, and imo there's a reason they're allowed to have multiple definitions of every word but still never include the word "power" anywhere in the definition of racism. despite the fact that that is one of the most commonly-used definitions of the word.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
anyway this is veering into an undergraduate semantic wank, only minutes before people start c&ping dictionary definitions!
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
Academics are not writing papers + books about what the word racism really means. It's such a silly conversation and such a weird thing to stake out this impassioned position on.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
veering
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah for an english major you seem to have a very strange idea of why a dictionary exists
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
Nobody is saying that Japan's racial attitudes are based on imperialism in the past, right? Because last I checked, Japan has been a lot more imperialist than any country they've interacted with. The only third-party control in Japan was post-WW2 and most of these attitudes predate that by a fair bit.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
at this point i can only really say that we disagree and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
That's my cue! From OED
racism Pronunciation: /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/noun[mass noun] the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races: theories of racism prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior: a programme to combat racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races: theories of racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior: a programme to combat racism
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
Nakh! I need to ask you something. Sign online pls?
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
Zach, can you please actually cite some of the work you're drawing from? Not that I think you're an imperfect vessel of your argument, but I'm wondering if maybe someone else has laid it out in a perhaps more compelling manner?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
Conversely, Dictionary.com:
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPAnoun1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
Professor James M. Jones postulates three major types of racism: (i) Personally-mediated, (ii) internalized, and (iii) institutionalized.[3] Personally-mediated racism includes the specific social attitudes inherent to racially-prejudiced action (bigoted differential assumptions about abilities, motives, and the intentions of others according to), discrimination (the differential actions and behaviours towards others according to their race), stereotyping, commission, and omission (disrespect, suspicion, devaluation, and dehumanization). Internalized racism is the acceptance, by members of the racially-stigmatized people, of negative perceptions about their own abilities and intrinsic worth, characterized by low self-esteem, and low esteem of others like them. This racism can be manifested through embracing “whiteness” (e.g. stratification by skin colour in non-white communities), self-devaluation (e.g. racial slurs, nicknames, rejection of ancestral culture, etc.), and resignation, helplessness, and hopelessness (e.g. dropping out of school, failing to vote, engaging in health-risk practices, etc.).
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
professor jones' work would make no sense in a world where we were limited to one definition of the word racism and it was zachlyon's
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
poor professor jones
― mh, Friday, January 27, 2012 1:34 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark
Yeah I agree with this.
I guess for me there is a distinction between the way Japan treats foreigners/white people and the way they treat their ethnic minorities/neighbors/former colonies and that they emerge out of different things. But I feel like I'm derailing the thread a bit so I'll let go & ppl can go back to debating the definition of racism in the US.
geez this thread is moving very quickly
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know how useful it is for people from minority communities whose antagonists are people from other minority communities to be told that their experience of "racism" is something else - be it 'bigotry' or 'prejudice'. I can approve of the idea of racism being defined by the marginalised but who decides which marginalised groups have the authority to make that decision?
The issue of people with power claiming victim status to derail that power being questioned is a huge one, and it needs to be eviscerated whenever it appears, but i'm wary of a word that means numerous different things to numerous groups of people - each with their own legitimate POV - being narrowed too far.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
I suspect that there are racist statements and ideas that are not institutional or systemic. People are capable of a lot of sloppy thinking all on their own. The idea that racist beliefs are only inherited or instilled is naive--it means the problem can be fixed rather than constantly struggled with.
Also, I don't understand the second half of your argument.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
claiming that systemic, or institutionalized racism is the only valid kind is getting rid of a lot of discourse. and not in a way that just removes "power" from the equation, but in the fact that the other types can either stand alone or be strongly linked to systemic racism
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
xp contenderizer, I know what you mean by the terms but most people when they hear "racist" don't deal in degrees. So if a black politician is labelled racist for a comment about white people large numbers of white people will leap at the excuse to make them seem equivalent when they're plainly not. None of the people attacking Diane Abbott were saying "Oh yeah it was racism but not systemic racism." They were saying "Look at this racist black person, we're victims too" wiping out any discussion of context, power, history, anything.
Man this thread is moving fast.
― Meme Rogers (DL), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
racist statements and ideas that are not institutional or systemic
see the weird comments by ilxors about kids/students who wish they had more elongated eyes and called them "chink eyes"
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
i mean are you familiar with linguistics rhetoric and prescriptivist vs. descriptivist thought? i am willing to get academic about that, at some later time. but it's mostly the linguist academics, the ppl who study language, who doubt the authority of the dictionary. most english majors don't really have much knowledge of linguistics fwiw
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
lol wat u read a DFW article?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah yeah I went to college and took linguistics courses too. dictionaries are not prescriptivist dude. if they were, they'd never need to be updated.
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
hey guys, let's all stop fighting and go make fun of Two Lights
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
YO, i am not saying that "personal" or w/e racism is not racism! p much everything in this thread fits under the umbrella of racism. i said in the beginning of all this, racism is both personal and institutional. to clarify that, not all institutional racism involves individually-spiteful acts, but every instance of personal racism is a part of institutional racism.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
idk this seems to be pretty different from every other post you've made itt
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
But mostly--while I do think that zach's positions are too inflexible and his arguments are getting increasingly shrill and dogmatic--I think that 9-out-of-10 times in my country, white people whining about anti-white racism (especially around politics) is bullshit, and often it's a smokescreen for genuine racism on their part or on the part of a person or institution they're sympathetic with.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
zach, I knew what you meant
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
nakh otm
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
can i highly recommend to anyone who is interested in this stuff to read Sara Ahmed's Affective Economies which locates racism/race in affect and community and is actually really brilliant and insightful and doesn't have any paragraphs about what the word racism really secretly means?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
Buy "Garner's Modern American Usage" and get "ILX's Rolling 'Is This Racist?': A Clusterfuck of Thread Derailments" at an additional 5% off Amazon.com's everyday low price.
― V is for Vermont (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
that wasn't my intention, and i don't really know what you're talking about. this whole argument is about how racism is institutional, and "personal" racism hasn't really been the center of it.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
but of course "personal" racism is the clearest weapon of institutional racism
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
as i understood it, you were arguing that a) white people cannot experience racism as directed towards them and b) that is because the very word racism only refers to institutional racism and since white people are always institutionally privileged that means (a) is true
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
u mean 'centre'
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, January 27, 2012 10:19 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the word racism was originally designed and used to describe theories of racial superiority and inferiority (e.g., nazi bullshit). in such usage, the thing described was not the power imbalances that such racialist thinking embodied, but rather the component of race-related bigotry as a specific thing in itself. this is why the word "racism" was chosen, as opposed to "powerism" or "race-powerism" or w/e.
the attempt to redefine racism seems to have arisen as a preventative response to white claims of oppression. the sensible response, however, would not be to unilaterally claim to have redefined the term, but rather to point out that racial prejudice (racism) absent the power granted by a single race's social dominance has very little power to meaningfully oppress.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Again, you're assuming that most people will be alive to that crucial distinction instead of just hearing "RACISM!!!" and acting like it's all equally pernicious.
― Meme Rogers (DL), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
what contenderizer said
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
yup
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
this is going too fast and i feel like i have to respond to every single post, but i have a lot of cooking to do, so i'm out. i look forward to reading 700 new posts when i come back.
to whoever wanted sources supporting the usage of the word i'm familiar with, i don't keep a working bibliography on me, though i clearly should. i feel pretty confident that i could just recommend that you start reading any book from a notable recent anti-racist writer and this topic will come up. but most of it comes from talking to individual ppl about it irl.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
I will say, it's amazingly alienating to have gone through a college experience where every black person I talked to when the subject came up, both student and faculty, followed Zach's definition, and then to see a bunch of white ppl 15+ years later being all "no no, people are racist against us too" on a messageboard.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
That's not what's going on.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
That's basically what it looks like.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
^ agree
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
Not sure the kind of people you're talking about would be alive to the difference between 'racism', 'bigotry' and 'prejudice'. Had Abbott been called out for 'bigotry' against white people, would the reaction have been any different?
Not saying that there isn't a value to the idea of defining racism in terms of power structures but i am not sure what practical difference it's going to make in this context. White people with power claiming victim status illegitimately need to be set straight but the grievance isn't bound up in semantics.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
There is a commonly accepted understanding of how racism operates (particularly in America today, but also wrt post-colonialism) that sees racism as being a tool of systemic control and supporting implicit hierarchies. Often when people talk about racism, this is what they are referring to. It is not controversial, I don't think, that there are numerous economic/political/social systems in place that either explicitly or implicitly discriminates against people of color. However, that doesn't mean that the word racism only refers to this understanding and has no other meaning. It also doesn't mean that racism against white people is impossible definitionally (even though, as many people have written on this thread, discussing racism against white people in America tends to be a way of eliding/avoiding actual racism in favor of scoring political points).
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
should I read this thread before I start trolling it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
zach has been really clear that he cares about who defines words, no one has engaged him on that, this is boring now.
― lukas, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
I meant to say - it's not controversial, I don't think, to acknowledge those structures. Obviously those structures themselves are very controversial. xp
the important thing here is that ppl who agree 99.8% with each other argue dictionary definitions while the TERRORISTS WIN
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
It's more that zach was saying that all racism is institutional or derived from it, and we were saying that the odd outliers do exist and there are other definitions (outside of validity in what WE THINK about how racism actually affects people) in play.
But yeah, you just said "in college," right? I don't think anyone has ever been racist against me, and I think the majority of "racism" against supposed white people is a prejudice supposing that the white person in question either holds racist beliefs or conforms to a certain profile and is not, in fact, racism.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
if you are reading contenderizer's posts and coming off w/ this take I have no idea what to tell you other than maybe you should consider rereading them
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs otoh sure yeah nobody's defending frogbs
a prejudice supposing that the white person in question either holds racist beliefs or conforms to a certain profile and is not, in fact, racism.
Except that it is.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think the institutional definition of racism is the most important to be addressed, but acknowledging that there's some variation in the use of the term is really an effective way to get people who are skeptical about the detrimental effects of society-level racism to accept that racism at the personal level comes from somewhere, and that it's endemic, and then you point to systemic racism and they understand that what they thought was only person is in fact the big picture.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
um, in fewer words:
Racism in your face is really just the local version of racism all over the place
thanks, I'll be here all night
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
It is not controversial, I don't think, that there are numerous economic/political/social systems in place that either explicitly or implicitly discriminates against people of color. However, that doesn't mean that the word racism only refers to this understanding and has no other meaning. It also doesn't mean that racism against white people is impossible definitionally (even though, as many people have written on this thread, discussing racism against white people in America tends to be a way of eliding/avoiding actual racism in favor of scoring political points).
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 11:05 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
mordy OTM
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
and then to see a bunch of white ppl 15+ years later being all "no no, people are racist against us too" on a messageboard.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
tbf, people have been racist *in my favor* my entire life, thinking that I am somehow more capable of doing things because I'm white
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
cosign. i'm aware as a straight white guy that i've been granted tons of breaks i haven't earned and that anyone else would likely have been denied.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Mostly, this was the internet.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
FIN
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
funny thing about all this is that i do generally agree with zachylon's underlying point. it's at least worth considering the idea that the establishment of "official definitions" might be inseparable from the social mechanisms by which existing power structures perpetuate themselves. it seems reasonable to suggest that the seeming objectivity of texts like newspapers and dictionaries might be complicit in the means by which institutional power presents itself as normalcy. was attempting to make precisely this point in the pitchfork thread the other day (and clashing with iatee as a result).
nevertheless, i think that the attempts to redefine and restrict the usage of "racism" are misguided. [shrug]
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
The clash in this thread in this thread, as I have read it, boils down to defining racism very broadly and purely as an idea, or defining it with greater reference to how it is propagated and experienced. The white ppl tend to go with the first, while non-whites have a much stronger affinity for the latter.
Both approaches have some validity. The experience of racism predates the term and obviously belongs to those who suffer under it, but its modern form and the term itself were invented by white ppl, so we feel a somewhat proprietary interest in its definition.
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
Wait - is zachlyon black?
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
nevertheless, i think that the attempts to redefine and restrict the usage of "racism" are misguided. (shrug)
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, January 27, 2012 11:31 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
jesus christ ur a wormy motherfucker
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
zach so obviously otm. hilarious to see so many shlubby whitetards cry about the ways it may be possible if they can just fly away w their imaginations they can be racised against.
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Matt P, are you a little illiterate?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
shlubby whitetards
u ____ist
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
He's certainly cranky, at the very least.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
a lot illiterate, just did a lot of sb-ing, now i'm a lot done with this thread but your book recommendation above looks a lot good mordy, i'll have to practice being illiterate with it some time. xp
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Terrorists would've won anyway, dude.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
did you sb me, Matt P?
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
― Aimless, Friday, January 27, 2012 11:32 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
making this into a race thing in such cut-and-dried terms strikes me as absurdly presumptive (and horribly counter-productive besides). are we really so certain that most people of color people share a common definition of the term? asians, non-white hispanics, native americans, etc? can we say with any confidence that they collectively agree that only people who enjoy a significant social power advantage can be racist? i kind of doubt it. i've known many people of color to complain about the racism of other people of color.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
among friends, talking shit to each other?
I mean there's a permeating attitude around here that says "anytime you use a stereotype or put down someone based on their culture, then you are a racist, and racism is always wrong and hurtful", which is okay in theory, but in practice this kind of shit happens all the time. Obviously this discussion has turned a bit but I wasn't a fan of how nobody tries to distinguish between things that are actually harmful and demonstrate our culture divide vs. someone making a joke in bad taste without any real malicious intent, kind of implying that it's all equally bad
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
well if u ever come back maybe u can c/p a post that shows shlubby whitetards cry about the ways it may be possible if they can just fly away w their imaginations they can be racised against.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
eh that's basically every contenderizer post itt?
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, January 27, 2012 11:44 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Mostly, I blame myself - I didn't manage to contribute to the last funds drive, and I understand that stet was just under the level where he was going to write that filter, the one where you can write [racist1] and [racist2], and depending on your setting you see them as "institutionally racist"/"racist" and "racist"/"bigoted".
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
so absurdly presumptive
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, you are a little illiterate.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
fuck off limey
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
what exactly is at stake for you, Matt, with racism ONLY referring to institutional racism or also referring to the concept of judging/stereotyping ppl based on their race? why does the latter become a weasely way for white ppl to imagine racism against them, but the first definition is the legit one?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ asking Matt this and not me when I made the same post with less swearing an hour ago
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
you should probably answer then. *steams off*
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
jesus christ ur a wormy motherfucker...
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, January 27, 2012 11:37 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
just because i agree in principle with an idea doesn't mean that i have to see equal merit in every application of that idea. i've tried to articulate a fairly complex response ITT.
the immediate and idiotic recourse to cheap playground shaming isn't worth responding to, so...
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
Your mistake was not swearing tbh xps
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
I'm okay with anyone answering it. Also, maybe explain what you see as the meaning of the term 'institutional?' Are all of these things examples of institutional racism?1. A belief in the racial superiority of people on your own race2. Not hiring qualified POC bc you believe they aren't as intelligent as non-POC3. Crafting drug policy that targets particular people of color4. Beating someone up bc you don't like what race they come from5. Believing that people have different strengths and weaknesses because they belong to an inherent racial categoryetc etc
I think they're all examples of racism, but I don't get necessarily what makes them all institutional. Certainly some might have systemic qualities (particularly #3) but racism is not always an institutional conspiracy, I don't think. Maybe it is -- but what do we gain from believing that?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of remembering the battle between black customers and Korean convenience store/bodega owners documented in early 90s LA that didn't need white people to tell each group how to be racist
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
but its modern form and the term itself were invented by white ppl, so we feel a somewhat proprietary interest in its definition.
Please direct all your "ask a white man" questions to Aimless.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Does a thread exist for the movie Crash?
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
― try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, January 27, 2012 11:45 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
horseshit. nowhere in this thread have i made a big, weeping deal about the ability of white people to be racised against. i've gone much farther out of my way to condemn white complaints of "reverse racism".
i feel like i'm being taken to task by an idiot with an axe to grind.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
Well, I don't think it has to be a "conspiracy" for it to be institutional (although it certainly can be). I'm sure many of the roots of institutional racism are learned, just as with personal, bigotted racism.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
institutional racism = things posted on rolling "Is This Racist?" thread
― crüt, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
waiting for deej to show up and call me a fascist again, tbh
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
I believe the meaning of institutional ____ is that certain beliefs, policies, and prejudices exist at a number of different levels of an institutional structure, and that they often work in tandem to deny the rights of a particular group and privilege another group. But I also believe that there are numerous institutions, some as large as the colonial project of the Western world, some unique to particular governments in particular countries, some corporate cultures, communal cultures, familial cultures. Is racism that primarily exists and is perpetuated within a familial system 'institutional'? Not all of these institutions share the same racist beliefs. In some it is very pronounced, in others it is totally silent + implicit. I think an intelligible discussion of race will account for all these nuances and subtleties, and not try to argue that racism means one particular thing and nothing else.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer, since you have been taking a very semantically-based approach to this discussion, I defy you to defend your characterization of my speaking one the one hand of a 'tendency' and on the other of an 'affinity' as being "cut-and-dried terms". This is like trying to beat me about the face and head using a cloud for a weapon.
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Holy shit guys, the gawker guy getting fired for a racial slur was over half a thread ago!
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
welcome to ilx, beachville
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
actually I think I have changed my mind and I'm more in tune with DJP and Matt P
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
you can't take a semantically-based approach to a semantics argument, you can either make a semantics argument or you can argue about something else entirely
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer is doing #1 everyone else is doing #2
btw frogbs, it might be ok among your friends to crack racist shit and have amateur comedian hour or whatever, but... really, it's a bad idea in the long term. There's only so much you can do with that and talk shit and pretend that you have "real" feelings underneath before your public persona is completely the racist/sexist/homophobic bullshit. If people only see you acting that way, then guess what? That's you.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
you can't take a semantically-based approach to a semantics argumentyou can't take a semantically-based approach to a semantics argumentyou can't take a semantically-based approach to a semantics argumentyou can't take a semantically-based approach to a semantics argument
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Friday, January 27, 2012 12:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
cool, then i'm the one you'll want to be calling a "shlubby whitetard".
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
a semantics argument is inherently semantically-based xp
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
I have basically been in agreement with DJP and zach, but I am a little mystified by the severity of Matt P's beef with contenderizer. I don't think contenderizer was ever making an argument form the "white people are victims of racism too" camp. Unless I missed something? This went by quickly, but I only recall seeing a few posts early on that were actually arguing that.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer must die for frogbs' sins
http://www.seeklogo.com/images/T/tumblr-logo-941B107660-seeklogo.com.gif
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
The "institution" under discussion here as I understand it is American society, which is why pretty much all of these things fall under the umbrella of institutional racism. If you want to make the distinction between, say, society at large and specific businesses/organizations within that society, that's fine I guess, but it misses the point that there are a lot of things that are, if not outright barriers, definitely impediments in the way of a person of color and assumptions about them in our society that an otherwise equivalent white person wouldn't have to deal with.
Like, a good chunk of the things that pop up on this thread can be chalked under "idiot didn't think things through" but that idiot also grew up in a society that never actually made him/her think about those things in the first place.
xp: lol iatee OTM
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
I think I understand the value of not making race jokes in public
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
you can't take a semantically-based approach to a semantics argument because a semantics argument is inherently semantically-based?
unless I am mistaken, this means your approach is required to be semantically-based.
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
I went to south africa recently and boy are my arms tired
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
Dan, it'd be useful for someone who does get it to point out how a possible less egregious case of the "idiot didn't think things through" is actually explaining a manifestation of something systemic.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
but seriously folks race and racism is pretty crazy in south africa
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
― Aimless, Friday, January 27, 2012 11:58 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i meant that describing this discussion in terms of a position that "white ppl tend to go with" in opposition to one that "non-whites have a much stronger affinity for" racializes an otherwise abstract disagreement in very explicit terms. i don't reject your argument, but i'm not sure that it's either true or productive.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.newstatesman.com/200003270024
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
every car I was in in south africa was playing nikki minaj for some reason
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't mean in public. I knew people in high school who would never publicly say anything racist or even outrightly prejudiced, but would crack jokes in private around friends all the time. He might not be really seen as racist by people who aren't privy to his line of thought, but his route through life and ideas on politics and ethics are pretty much an outgrowth of the belief that some of these racist or biased ideas are true.
Pretty sure he supports Ron Paul, actually
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
Mostly I just hurt inside because I can't say the n-word or start a club for just dudes or whites.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
You can lead a frog to culture but you can't make him think.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
Laurel, I'd assume some of what I said myself or a few others actually fall in the category according to how Dan worded it!
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
re: aimless and my last post
though, okay, the "tends" and "affinity" language does allow for a lot more subtlety than i was granting. retract the "absurdly presumptive" business with all apologies. was caught up a bit in the heat of the moment.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 8:11 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
You miss the point. It's still not fucking okay to make them in private. You say it's not harmful - it is. You're perpetuating that shit, even if it doesn't leave the walls of your little in-group in overt ways, it does matter, it does count, and you're a fucking prick if you think it doesn't.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
what would you guys say the moved fucked up country is re: racism
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
most
if all of ilx were to go to the mirror once a day, look in it, and say "the racist is me" we would have a different world
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't mean in public. I knew people in high school who would never publicly say anything racist or even outrightly prejudiced, but would crack jokes in private around friends all the time.
Was going to say, if someone -- let's say his name is Toad Cowpatty -- says lolsome racist shit when he feels relaxed and "safe" around friends, maybe he's a racist?
― Rotary Boy of the Month (WmC), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
I fall into that category, too because lol small town full of white people. But once you start to see the wider picture, you're responsible for trying to keep seeing it, and to see it even more clearly, all the time.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
If the entire thrust of the term 'institutional racism' is just acknowledging that racism exists within a broader cultural context, then I don't think we're arguing. I agree with that entirely and I don't believe there's racism that is somehow a-contextual.
The way I understood institutional racism was actually as the manifestation of racism through institutional policy as opposed to the explicit racism you might see in individuals or racist organizations. So - drug policy in the United States? Institutional racism. Using a racially charged slur? Not institutional racism.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
thank you, c
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
guys why you want to ruin frogbs' country club it's just a bit of fun
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
And so my only beef w/ zach was that using a slur and crafting racist policy is both an example of racism. If however you are just saying that both exist within some really broad institution called American Society -- well, we're just talking then about what institutions are, not about what racism is.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
― Rotary Boy of the Month (WmC), Friday, January 27, 2012 8:20 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OTM.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
Well that lovefest for frogbs this morning ended quick.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
yes, this is one guy you know, but saying that anyone who makes race jokes in private is a secret racist and has fucked up political ideas is taking it a little far
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
For "institution", it might be better to just say "the Man". <--alert! joeky!
― Aimless, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
why are they saying these jokes in private and not in public? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE WRONG
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Frogs, seriously. Why would you *want* to make race jokes unless you're a racist? What exquisite joy do race jokes offer that I'm missing here?
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
one who makes race jokes in private is a secret racist and has fucked up political ideas is taking it a little far
smh so damn hard I'm cracking vertebrae
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
great article nakh
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think the standing issue in the thread is whether "..institutions such as public government bodies, private business corporations (such as media outlets), and universities (public and private)" can really be disconnected from the system of society at large. They're concrete organizations, but really connected enough that most people are networked into this web.
So if you strictly think institutional racism has to come from one of these organizations directly, then strictly speaking, non-institutional racism does exist and zach is kind of stretching the definition. If you believe that there is "a system" that is independent of concrete institutions -- say, American society at large -- then you're going to say that all racism is institutional.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw horrible jokes are only funny if you never know someone who's been discriminated against because they're black, white, gray, purple, gay, or a dead baby
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
exception: holocaust jokes are always funny
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
xxp Yeah, that's why I think I lost the thread of the conversation for a bit. I thought we were arguing about what racism meant. Really we were discussing what 'institutional' meant.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
xxxxp Or female. Or a nun. Or an elephant in a refrigerator.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
except the one about pizzas not screaming in the oven, they didn't put live people in the ovens, read a book
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i don't find holocaust jokes funny fyi.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.photobasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gif-frog-love-copy.gif
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 3:29 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, what the fuck was that?
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
terrible meta-joke? *hides in shame*
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
xs-post - Also, while I would not call it a lovefest (really Jon?! smdh) I take back my earlier sentiments. You're a fucking shithead.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
um I think that was sarcasm, adding to my list
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
why do people tell jokes at all? what joy does any kind of joke offer? it's really a matter of a pretty widespread belief that offensive things are generally funnier than non-offensive things and that that racial stereotypes = offensive? have you not seen any dumb comedies in the last 50 or so years?
btw I hate that I have to make this clear but I'm not talking about myself here! I found that type of humor pretty uninteresting past the age of 15
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
err - not you Amon
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
no, try again dude
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
You're a fucking shithead.
What the fuck? I didn't even mention you, it was a blanket zing about the MULTIPLE people this morning that were saying, in essence, "he's not so bad".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, if you were nowhere near the cookie jar, why are you holding a glass of milk as you wipe cookie crumbs off your shirt?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
x-psot - omg I wasn't calling you a shithead!!!
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 12:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this (mh via mordy) is a v good point
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry! I saw the part where you were shaking your head at me and through you were still directing that at me!
(xpost)
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
thought... stupid swype
have you not seen any dumb comedies in the last 50 or so years?
I screen all comedies in private, away from the oppressively unfunny presence of actual minorities
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think everyone has come out of this thread having learned something today, excepting of course frogs.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - Yeah, it wasn't clear - sorry.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Oh man, now all we need is lex to chime in on comedy and this thread will encompass everything about ilx ever.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Not really, no. And if they're all filled with racist shit, I'm glad I haven't.
I like plenty of 'offensive' humour but none of it is based on assumptions about people's innate worth.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
everyone otm lock it down
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs fwiw there is a difference between making a joke about a racial stereotype - like in, say, the Jerk where Steve Martin insists he is black - and making racist jokes. Stereotypes can be funny when they are ridiculed/punctured, when they are used to make fun of a specific subset of people, they are simply racist.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
'Offensive' humour = death, sex, bodily functions, stuff at your own expense.
'Not actually humour but racism' humour = racism.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
Also Shakey Mo OTM
b/c I'm trying to do the same thing the last 200 posters have been doing, saying that all racism isn't created equal!
I agree that in pretty much all forms it's bad taste and incorrect and shaking my head at the idea that apparently everyone who's ever laughed at a racial joke is a hateful moron, especially when its a (lazy) cornerstone of the modern sitcom/R-rated comedy
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
Honestly it's like you think we all got together this morning and made up all these rules just to trick you. WAKE UP. This is the rest of the world.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
agreed, but there can be hints of racism in both and again, it's not equal
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
I'm bailing on the what is jokes discussion on the what is racist thread.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah when i say "institutional" i mean the institution of western society and white colonialism, not like organizations of white people with an official seal
*runs away again*
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
any thoughts on jam donaldson't hot ghetto mess/ we can do better?http://www.hotghettomess.com/
― Sébastien, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
again, if you guys just read my posts and didn't make fucked up assumptions this thread would literally be 1000 posts lighter
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
good rule of thumb, frogbs: if you wouldn't tell a joke in front of a person of a particular race, ethnicity, religion, creed, class, etc, you shouldn't say it when they're not around. the reason why you wouldn't tell the joke in front of them is not bc they wouldn't understand that it's not actually offensive. the reason why is bc you rightfully would feel shame. feel that shame in private too.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it's better to say that anyone who laughs at a hateful/racist joke is being hateful/racist and moronic at that moment. Whether they are all of those things at base will depend on how often and how guiltlessly they indulge the impulse, and whether they ever personally confront what those ideas bring about, like suffering, poverty, etc.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
so just so we're clear, the way you were using it is not the generally accepted use of the word, right?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
fyi, this is not really what you've been saying.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
like, glancing at the wiki, it's clearly about actual institutions + policy, not about 'western society' xp
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
racipedia?
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
I appreciate the thought but I'm not talking about "white guys telling racial jokes to each other", I'm talking about when they actually are around/friendly with each other. I mean I'm sure most of what I've said ITT runs contrary to this but I'm not stupid!!
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
if you guys just read my posts and didn't make fucked up assumptions this thread would literally be 1000 posts lighter
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 8:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Thing is, I try not to make assumptions about you. You post lots of great things about lots of music I love, so I'm trying my hardest to make excuses and find the reasonable side. But the stuff you have come out with today is racist-apologist bullshit, and people are right to call you out on it.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
mordy: glancing at the wiki of what? i've always known "institution" to refer both to literal institutions and "unofficial" ones that exist without... planning, i guess. if you want to use another word, feel free, but that's how i've always used it.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
the wikipedia definition of institutional racism?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
we discussed this a bit in the Long Duk Dong thread, and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the general consensus is that A) the character was harmful/racist/in bad taste and that B) in spite of that, the character was still funny to that extent, and I'm saying that finding that funny is pretty much harmless? I mean do people actually laugh at that character because they honestly think that's what Asian people are really like?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
that character is not funny
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
zach, what I posted upthread is from the wikipedia article.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
xx-post uh no one in the thread found that stereotype funny! Where did you get that?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
well I think a lot of these posts can read two ways but I feel like I'm posting something saying that a lot of racial humor is essentially harmless compared to some of the other stuff posted ITT and a lot of people are reading it as me trying to make myself feel justifed in telling racist jokes
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
I appreciate the thought but I'm not talking about "white guys telling racial jokes to each other", I'm talking about when they actually are around/friendly with each other.
this sentence is not very clear, to say the least (do white guys tell racist jokes to each other when they AREN'T around/friendly with each other?)
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, iirc, that thread was based pretty much around that character not being funny in the least.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
hey frogbs, when I pull my eyes to the side and go "me chinese, me play joke.." is that racist or just kids funning?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
it's only funny if there aren't any chinese people around duh
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
guess you gotta wait 3 days to find out
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I mean this as "white guys who are friendly with black/Asian/Latino/gay/whatever people"
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Wait now, I'm confused. Its okay to tell racist jokes behind closed doors, but only if I'm not friendly with anyone from a minority group?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
I still don't understand. are these white guys hanging out with other white guys, or hanging out with members of the minorities in question when making these jokes
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
way xp: like even when you're talking about the black vs. asian tension in the early 90s, that stuff still comes from racism being a fixture provided by white people, using stereotypes that were created by white people, all coming from a history of oppression and colonization from white people, etc. it's not so simple to just say that individual people doing racially charged things to people of color exists in isolation, you have to look at the big picture, which starts with colonization.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
and yeah that article is one thing, but it's wikipedia. when i say "institution" i mean the sociological usage or w/e
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
maybe we should just make it multiple choice to be clear. Which of the following scenarios are you talking about:
A) A bunch of white guys, who aren't racist (really!), talking amongst themselves and making racist jokesB) A group comprised of a mixture of ethnicities, with the white guys making racist jokesC) A group comprised of a mixture of ethnicities, with everyone making racist jokes about everybody
I'm pretty sure option A is flat-out racist, option B is flat-out racist, and option C probably ends in a fistfight.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is pretty stupid, but can you claim that you've seriously never laughed at a racist joke? even if you didn't feel good about it? basically - what Laurel said
w/r/t Sixteen Candles I didn't think the character was funny because he clowned on Asian people, I thought the character was funny because it was so ridiculous on its face, IIRC I'm not the only person who felt that way
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
ad hominem tu quoque is a fallacy frogbs
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
that doesn't make you more right, that makes them more wrong xp
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
zach, that wiki article is the 'sociological' meaning of the term institution. i don't think i've ever heard the term used to describe Western Civilization in a sociology text, and if you have, i'd be curious in reading it.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
but can you claim that you've seriously never laughed at a racist joke? even if you didn't feel good about it? basically - what Laurel said
why does this matter? I will totally cop to having laughed at racist stuff (Long Duk Dong even!) when I was younger and stupider - that doesn't mean it isn't racist, it just means that I was enough of an idiot to find racist things funny.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
lol mordy this is dictionary.com, and i recognize the irony of quoting it:
Sociology . a well-established and structured pattern of behavior or of relationships that is accepted as a fundamental part of a culture, as marriage: the institution of the family.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't say that as a defense of finding racism funny, frogs.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
like the term institution was designed to talk about specific ways of organizing human beings. afaik American society institution or Western society institution is just too vague to actually have value.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah zach, that's a good example of what i'm talking about. the family can be an institution. all of society can't be an institution tho. societies are built on the intersections of numerous institutions
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
the institution is a "fundamental part of a culture" but not the culture itself
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
C) A group comprised of a mixture of ethnicities, with everyone making racist jokes about everybody
this is pretty much what I'm talking about, I don't want to sound like the "BUT I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!" guy but I was part of my college's international club for a couple years and I've seen this play out without fistfights or any hard feelings as most of it is basically making fun of stereotypes or whatever - even though I guess it technically is racism, I'm arguing that this is basically harmless.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
this is semantics but i'm not talking about "institutional racism" as a sociological thing (ie not combining both words to contain a set sociological meaning in itself), i'm talking about racism with the modifier of "institutional" and using the sociological def of that word. wikipedia is not doing this. none of this actually matters, but i think this is the confusion.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
zach, it's okay if you had something else in mind. these words mean something tho -- at least in some context and ferreting out the accepted meaning helps avoid confusion.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
racism is an american institution
― crüt, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
even though I guess it technically is racism, I'm arguing that this is basically harmless.
But the thing is, even if it doesn't leave that room, its still perpetuating racism!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
like, "this is semantics," ok, but semantics are important
zach, that's being disingenuous, because he asked about a sociology (as in the field, as in the academic field) text that used the word in that way.
Really, it sounds like a well-meaning common use of discussion where racism as a social undercurrent has been discussed in many forums and the term "institutional racism" has been confused with the idea you're talking about. We're just wondering if what you're describing -- which is just as valid as the reference we're making -- is actually described as "institutional racism" in academia.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
this is all questionable humor really, I'm saying it matters b/c I feel like people are too eager to blanket everything under the blanket of "you racist asshole" when it's like, let's save that for those who actually deserve it
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
oy frogbs.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha you guys really took off while I was in an impromptu meeting
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
of all things, why is this important to nitpick? yes, our culture is not made up entirely of racism, but racism plays such a huge part in western society that it affects every part of it. our society is based on a lot of things, and one of those things is colonization, and like a bunch of other things, the effects of colonization still influence everything. that's all i'm saying.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
I like how this thread now has two streams, one where we are trying to figure out what the "institution" in "institutionalized racism" is, and another where frogbs is arguing that people who tell racist jokes a lot aren't racist assholes
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
where by "like" I mean something other than "like"
The reason why it's important to nitpick is that people were accused of being racists in this thread because you said something that everyone here (except frogbs maybe) agrees with, but you used language carelessly and when people disagreed with you because they misunderstood your fundamental point, you misunderstood what they were disagreeing with. I disagreed that institutional racism is the only kind of racism. I didn't disagree that Western society contains racism at almost every level. But you didn't understand my point of contention because of "semantics." Semantics, or to be more exact, using words in their proper context, is important because of this. xxp
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
I can't even count how many words I used because I read them in one book that wasn't in my field of expertise and I got a reasonable take on what a word meant and used it in discussion -- and maybe even talked to other friends using it this way -- and eventually found out that I had created something similar that wasn't common usage in the actual field.
I think this happens often, and there are concepts in philosophy that get abused by sociologists, and some cross-pollination between fields where you end up with different meanings for the same thing.
A big example would be the skepticism a lot of philosophers have for the works of Karl Popper, which a lot of scientists find intriguing because he wrote about science and falsifiability. The thing is, science doesn't really use falsifiability per say, and it's not really a philosophical construct in the way he used it, either.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
god contenderizer is always wrong
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
so I guess what we're saying is we believe we understand what you mean, zach, we just want to know if "institutional racism" is actually used this way in an academic or written context, and if so, by whom.
I mean, you can define it however you want, but the conversation was so confusing is because we're using a specific meaning and you are saying all meanings are valid when it'd be easier just to use a different phrase.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
like maybe "endemic racism?"
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
ooh catchy
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Zach's usage wasn't "incorrect", it was just different from what you are used to. It's been in common usage since the 60s:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/raceequalopportunity/g/inst_racism.htm
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
The term was coined by Stokely Carmichael (later known as Kwame Ture) at some point during the late 1960s.Carmichael felt that it was important to distinguish personal bias, which has specific effects and can be identified and corrected relatively easily, with institutional bias, which is generally long-term and grounded more in inertia than in intent. Carmichael made this distinction because, like Martin Luther King Jr., he had grown tired of white moderates and uncommitted liberals who felt that the primary or sole purpose of the civil rights movement was white personal transformation. Carmichael's primary concern, and the primary concern of most civil rights leaders, was and is societal transformation--a much more ambitious goal.
Carmichael felt that it was important to distinguish personal bias, which has specific effects and can be identified and corrected relatively easily, with institutional bias, which is generally long-term and grounded more in inertia than in intent. Carmichael made this distinction because, like Martin Luther King Jr., he had grown tired of white moderates and uncommitted liberals who felt that the primary or sole purpose of the civil rights movement was white personal transformation. Carmichael's primary concern, and the primary concern of most civil rights leaders, was and is societal transformation--a much more ambitious goal.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
DJP, that says exactly what I said. There are two forms of bias - personal and institutional. Zach has argued from the beginning of this thread that all racism is institutional.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Well, not exactly what I said. But he's working with the definition that I am.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
you can't be 'racist' against white people because 'white' is just 'something people who are at the top of the racial caste system call each other' -- it's not, like, an ethnicity, or something.
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
Because you are not making the link that the society is generating the people with the personal issues.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
That's not what institutional racism means tho! I do agree with that link, but the argument isn't that these inert institutions are generating personal racism. Actually what is happening is that the society is generating institutional AND personal racism.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
deej, that ground has been covered like 100x today itt already.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 3:22 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude you cant seperate systemic from personal like that. when a white person is personally racist against a POC they are using systemic power to make that point
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
yo i continually recognize the irony of me arguing for multiple definitions, but i don't think there was anything wrong in me saying "institutional racism" and expecting people to not assume i'm talking about exactly what wiki editors use to define it. from my experience, both that usage (ie the institution of the police system) and the one i was referring to (the institution of culture) are equally valid and not all that distinct. it all derives from the institution of our culture and colonial history.
and i don't think everyone here agreed with me and it was all just a semantics confusion. everyone was saying "racism against whites happens" and i was saying "no, whites have the power." if you want to say that racism is built into our culture and it's a part of our lives from birth to death, but you also want to say that racism against whites occurs in our culture, i still disagree.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Deej, I think it's nice that you're interested in this conversation and want to join in but honestly I'm not going to start answering your questions too.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, and this is exactly my point. I realize that many people have moments of stupidity where they do/say/laugh at things without considering the greater subtext and that this happens with many sensitive topics (i.e. the jokes in the Joe Paterno thread). What I have a problem with is those who insist things like "if you find a racist joke funny, it's probably because you subconsciously agree with the stereotype", when most people in my generation likely heard these stereotypes through jokes in middle school in the first place!
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
dog stop posting
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
Ugh you are just not getting it dude, not at all.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
hey frogbs go check out http://implicit.harvard.edu let me know what you learn abt yourself
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
i'm sorry that i wasn't clearer, but i thought the kwame definition was better-known and that ppl would assume i was using it within the context of everything else i was saying.
blazing otm, and important when arguing with people who talk about "white pride" but don't consider themselves neo-nazis
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
then explain
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
i guess to be more OTM i should say its what is generally agreed to call people at the top of the racial caste system, a system set up to support the people at the top of it
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
Zach, Kwame is saying the opposite of what you said. You do realize that, right?
it was important to distinguish personal bias, which has specific effects and can be identified and corrected relatively easily, with institutional bias, which is generally long-term and grounded more in inertia than in intent.
He's not saying that everything is institutional. He is saying the opposite. That we need to distinguish between the two forms.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
What I have a problem with is those who insist things like "if you find a racist joke funny, it's probably because you subconsciously agree with the stereotype", when most people in my generation likely heard these stereotypes through jokes in middle school in the first place!
wow so it's almost as if there is a (wait for it)... institutional factor at work in perpetuating racist humor across generations. garsh.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
I realize that many people have moments of stupidity where they do/say/laugh at things without considering the greater subtext and that this happens with many sensitive topics (i.e. the jokes in the Joe Paterno thread)
Joe Paterno also completely irrelevant here wtf
Are you racist against Nittany Lions now too?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
xp except in the exact way that I mentioned, yeah
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
no. there is no parallel there.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
xp i was talking specifically about his usage of "institutional." separating institutional from personal is something different. but i don't think he's saying that they are unrelated, just that we can't only look at personal racism (esp impt to note in the 60s)
obv i can't speak for him
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
This is what multiple people have been doing in multiple threads now, I just don't think you're ever going to get it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
but please to explain what the "greater subtext" is with making fun of a guy who facilitated/perpetuated the abuse of children, I would love to hear it.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
ok OFFICIALLY LEAVING NOW to cook for a month-late christmas party, everyone plz redirect your attention to the frog
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
basically that saying "you're an asshole if you don't consider all the implications of what you're actually laughing at" makes the whole world an asshole
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
again, what are the implications of laughing at an asshole like Joe Paterno
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
uh yeah you're pretty much an asshole if you don't consider the implications of what you're actually laughing at
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
willing to believe that the whole world are assholes
He is more saying that people are focusing on symptoms and ignoring the root cause.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
would you be willing to make those jokes in front of the mothers of the children?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.betterworldbooks.com/184/Busy-Baby-Silly-Frog-Thomas-Nelson-9781848796096.jpg
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, January 27, 2012 4:28 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
that website is kind of addictive...
― rayuela, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
oh man I cannot get sucked into that site, I have drinks to go to soon
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
That's not how I understood him, DJP. In fact, the institutions are described as inert, that their racism (as distinguished from personal racism) lacks intent but just continues patterns of discrimination over years. Ok, I'm running out of steam here. I guess if we still have a disagreement then we'll have to leave it there. I was going to start discussing how racism against 'white people' (by which I really initially meant racism against people whom we might describe as white -- not that white is an ethnicity) exists on a personal level but yes -- emerges from the same paradigms on a societal level that informs all racism. But that in fact the entire human condition is one of Othering - Othering people based on color, language, geographic background, size, etc. Which is not to excuse the systemic repression of POC by white people over centuries but merely to make the point I was trying to make at the very beginning which is that anyone can experience racism, even if everyone doesn't. Blah blah blah Hegel Lacan etc. Honestly tho we've been doing this for hours and I'm tired and getting a little frustrated so... meh.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
all racism convos end with "meh" or tears
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
wait so did we fix racism guys?
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
what mothers
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
critical difference is that the jokes are about PATERNO not the mothers or the children
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
Guys I think you're missing frogs' main point. By everybody being racist, we can cause a Sneetches-like ripple effect in our comunity that means only the people not being racist are being racist.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
you know, the ones whose sons are scarred for life b/c of what Joe Paterno didn't do?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
my understanding was that many of those kids didn't have families, which is how they ended up with Jerry Sandusky in the first place
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs wants to know if you would make those jokes in front of the mothers' graves
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
but I'm happy to spell out every single little fucking thing for you
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
"tough crowd, tough crowd"http://www.zestra.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Rodney-Dangerfield.jpg
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
to frogbs: It seems from a lot of your posts that one thing you're very concerned about is people considering you an asshole for doing certain things or thinking certain things or laughing about certain things -- things that you may consider to be normative, widespread behavior. The solution to that is either a) Don't care what people think about you, or b) Don't do/say things that make people think you're an asshole. The answer is not, however, c) Try to convince them that the behavior is actually not asshole behavior. That's gonna be a waste of everyone's time.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
you still wouldn't though, right?
in the same way the race humor I actually do find funny isn't making fun of the people who are that race as much as they are about the people who believe these stereotypes. You know at the end of Harold & Kumar when the police do the sketches of the "fugitives" and they're both drawn as terrible stereotypes? The joke isn't "the Asian guy has buck teeth", it's the idea that someone that a police artist would be ignorant to draw a stereotype that doesn't look anything like the guy they're trying to catch outside of the guy's assumed race
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, frogbs - Shakey made that distinction way upthread IIRC.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for ruining Harold and Kumar
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
The answer is not, however, c) Try to convince them that the behavior is actually not asshole behavior. That's gonna be a waste of everyone's time.
actually I was going to post about how I'm starting to change my mind to agree with silby's post about how everyone is an asshole (even though he was likely joking around) but I'm starting to get carpal tunnel here
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
i'm sure that this will read as "fascist" or "whitetarded" to some, but wtf, here goes:
part of the problem with discussions of "racism" is that we (westerners and especially americans) have attached an enormous stigma to the word itself. when our conventional examples of racism encompass institutional atrocities like slavery and the holocaust, to be racist is not just to be wrong, but to be deeply and profoundly wrong. with that sort of moral weight attached to it, racism something very much like "pure evil".
this makes the conventional historical definition of the term (negative prejudice based on race) morally insufficient. individual prejudice can certainly be harmful, but it's also quite ordinary, perhaps even intrinsic to the human condition. whether or not it's race-based, we're all prejudiced to some extent or another. and accusations of virulent evil lose their moral force when they can be applied to all people equally.
therefore, we attempt to justify the awful moral stigma that our awareness of the worst extremes of racist prejudice attaches to the "r-word". we do this by insisting that racism is not mere prejudice based on race, but rather the systemic power that can transform mere individual prejudice into pervasive institutional oppression. while individual prejudice might not be sufficient to justify the moral stigma attached to the word, institutional oppression is.
it's a cart-before-the-horse response, an after-the-fact attempt to justify the moral power we've attached to the word "racism" and also to corral that massive power so that it can only be directed at appropriate targets. unfortunately, this attempted redefinition makes it terribly difficult to speak sensibly of racism. the perfectly useful old definition still persists in conventional usage, and we've hardly reduced the tendency of people to overstate the moral evil of and objective harm caused by simple individual prejudice (of the sort that isn't necessarily reflective of institutional racism).
that's why i prefer the phrase "institutional racism" which describes something that very clearly does deserve all the moral opprobrium we can muster. unfortunately, this division robs plain old ordinary "racism" of some of its moral force. it becomes something smaller than and distinct from the oppressive exercise of institutional power, and at that point, it seems to become a venal rather than a cardinal sin.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
it is true that it's very important that we make sure the word "racism" isn't too offensive to people
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
right, all I'm saying is that one version of this is not particularly harmful
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
I saw on TV once where a black comissioner was racist against a white cop and got him fired and that made me pretty upset. Plus I think it happended on one of those shows about teaching in the city. This shit happens all the time. Plus I read in this email from my uncle about those firemen.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
my apologizes to contenderizer but I agree with his post completely and I think that's part of the reason why I have been making an ass of myself on this thread
like the 19 year old who got put on the child sex offender list for life because he had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend said, sometimes you have to be careful with labels
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
…said the vicar to the duchess.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dunno if that was directed at me, but i described the possible reduction of the moral stigma attached to the word "racism" as an unfortunate consequence of an increased focus on "institutional racism". my primary point was linguistic and moral specificity (as relates to sorts of intellectual/moral dissonance that can result when that specificity is lost).
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#United_States
{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2423(b)} forbids traveling in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in "illicit sexual conduct" with a minor. 2423(f) refers to Chapter 109A as its bright line for defining "illicit sexual conduct", as far as non-commercial sexual activity is concerned. For the purposes of age of consent, the only provision applicable is {Chapter 109A, 18 U.S.C. 2243(a)}. 2243(a) refers to situations where such younger person is under the age of 16 years, has attained 12 years of age, and the older person is more than 4 years older than the 12-to-15-year-old (persons under 12 are handled under 18 U.S.C. 2241(c) under aggravated sexual abuse). So, the age is 12 years if one is within 4 years of the 12-to-15-year-old's age, 16 under all other circumstances. This most likely reflects Congressional intent to not unduly interfere with a state's age of consent law, which would have been the case if the age was set to 18 under all circumstances. This law is also extraterritorial in nature to U.S. Citizens and Residents who travel outside of the United States.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
lol, okay wasn't there a major news story about some high school athlete who went to jail over this or am I just wrong about everything today?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
- frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), vrijdag 27 januari 2012 21:31 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://images.askmen.com/galleries/model/jerry-seinfeld/pictures/jerry-seinfeld-picture-1.jpg
― future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
hi frogs
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 3:52 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this post is OTM and should end discussion to frogs ITT imo.
i feel like people still bother picking at his perspective b/c its so obviously wrong, where there are people who I think are wrong in more influential & unfortunate ways (contenderizer for ex) that might be more worth our time engaging with
otoh, a more productive use of everyone's time is not being on ilx, so
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
I had to stop thinking about "being productive" years ago I was spending too much time worrying about how I was spending my time
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
either way I'm kind of upset at how this thread has gone, in part because I'm realizing that saying "friends talking shit to each other" has translated to everyone else as "white guys trying to perpetuate stereotypes" which I guess is something I kinda deserve, but also because I'm starting to see how inarticulate I can be and how that's causing everyone to think I'm walking around cracking jokes about fried chicken and math homework
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
smdh
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
where there are people who I think are wrong in more influential & unfortunate ways (contenderizer for ex)
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:23 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
inevitability, thy name is deej
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
sigh , what are you so afraid of jon?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
probably shaking his head so hard it falls off his neck
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty much.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
Someday, you will understand
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
This is kind of like giving someone a business card that says "turn over for great discount" on both sides and watching him flip it over and over and over for 3 hours
― Neanderthal, Friday, 27 January 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
discus
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
first, we need to define the term "racism", which I believe has not been done to my liking yet
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
legit lol
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
ok then, let's take it from the top folks!
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
I am glad that I will be away from the internet all weekend.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
what do you see in this image?
http://www.frogstore.com/images/d_10981.jpg
because, the only thing I see is a bunch of frogs. and I'M the racist one!?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
I was in the middle of trying to figure out what the clusterfuck was about when I was pulled up abruptly by this.
besides some references to things more deep-seeded in black culture
NOT "DEEP-SEEDED." THE PHRASE IS "DEEPLY SEATED." "DEEP-SEEDED" IS THE RESULT OF PEOPLE HEARING THINGS WRONG AND THEN TYPING AS THOUGH THEY HAD UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY HEARD. THANK YOU.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
I could care less
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Saturday, 28 January 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
ninth google result for "deep-seated" (no adverb aero): http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/barack-obama-has-deep-seated-hatred-wh
― rob, Saturday, 28 January 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 27, 2012 5:59 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this has been driving me nuts lately thank u
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Saturday, 28 January 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit I think frogs just made a funny
― mh, Saturday, 28 January 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
two funnnies. he got all wry at the end of the day
― rob, Saturday, 28 January 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://s18.postimage.org/d526kgwl5/frogbslollz.jpg
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Saturday, 28 January 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
Americans, please tell me what to make of this from a Murdoch tabloid:
WHAT does the self-titled "new king of pop" do on his day off, you might ask? Well, shop, of course.While his contemporaries tend to head out for a fried chicken feed, Big Day Out headliner Kanye West made a beeline for Sydney's fashion hub within hours of landing.
While his contemporaries tend to head out for a fried chicken feed, Big Day Out headliner Kanye West made a beeline for Sydney's fashion hub within hours of landing.
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 28 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/awnBU.jpg
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Saturday, 28 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
haha wtf
― mh, Saturday, 28 January 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
I... don't get it?
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 29 January 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
black people eat fried chicken
― mh, Sunday, 29 January 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
also Kanye lives off nectar
― summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 January 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
mmmm, i would kill for some fried chicken right now.
― scott seward, Sunday, 29 January 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
i thought maybe "fried chicken feed" was some weird australian junk food that's sold at food stands at fairs and festivals where they put actual chicken feed in a fryer and kanye's contemporaries here were a bunch of aussie bands playing the festival
― markarles (some dude), Sunday, 29 January 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
you think too much.
― scott seward, Sunday, 29 January 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
Its blatantly saying "while other black rappers would go and eat fried chicken, Kanye be shoppin".
And that is the most fucking embarrasing thing Ive ever read but then again it is a Murdoch paper so why am I even suprised.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Sunday, 29 January 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
While the other black-fellas would rather go eat watermelon, the star of the minstrel show prefers to go cakewalking in his choicest finery:, a black derby hat, a carnation conspicuous in his button hole, a polka-dotted ascot and white gloves.
― Aimless, Sunday, 29 January 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
^gold
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Sunday, 29 January 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
Ah no I totally get that, but I hadn't clicked through to the article, so when someone posted the Sydney Confidential image, I though they were saying the picture was racist! Lots of "Is it the weird C-crossed-with-quote-marks?"
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 29 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol did this moran transpose "off-color" with "off-the cuff"?
http://i.imgur.com/em7p8.png
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 29 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
"off-collar" what
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Sunday, 29 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
he could probably care less.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 29 January 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
off-collar, the stain remover
― buzza, Sunday, 29 January 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
"off-color" probably not a wise way to characterize a racially offensive remark, but this guy has already proven that his aptitude for putting his foot in his mouth so
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
it was a perfectly turtleneck apology
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
I'm kinda feeling very minorly sorry for this guy now tbh, his remarks were stupid but he just looked like he was dumbly flailing and knew it. Which leads one to wonder how he ended up in a post such as mayor, but still.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
dont feel sorry for him trayce
― #YOLO #NAMASTE (D-40), Monday, 30 January 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
Oh for reals i know its a wasted thought, I'm just soft.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Monday, 30 January 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
I'm working on a project that falls under Washington DC's Chinatown zoning overlay and has a bunch of signage requirements that go with it. This is an example from the design guidelines of what the city thinks is a good and appropriate sign in 2012:
http://i43.tinypic.com/vctboz.jpg
― spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Monday, 30 January 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
(insert comical gong sound)
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Monday, 30 January 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
It is food you eat with chopsticks don't you see?
― mh, Monday, 30 January 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
lol DC Chinatown
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Monday, 30 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Home of the Verizon Center! And Fuddrucker'a! And, apparently, one apartment building filled with elderly immigrant Chinese.
I would describe that Ming's signage design as more as stereotypical than racist, in that it doesn't carry any genuinely negative imagery. Ain't nothing inferior about chopsticks. They're used daily by a couple billion people. The typeface is also ugly as sin and stereotyped, but it is based on the look of calligraphic brushstrokes, which seems legit, although very poorly done.
You seem to associate these things with truly racist images, like exaggerated "r" for "l" accents, comical slant-eyes and buck teeth, but taken as themselves they just look like crappy design to me, not racism.
― Aimless, Monday, 30 January 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 7:17 PM
http://www.incompetech.com/Images/caring.png
― am0n, Monday, 30 January 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
aimless otm
xp am0n otm
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
btw that type face even has a name, 'Chinesey' or 'chop suey' or something.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes i make up imaginary american chinese restaurants by mixing & matching common name elements, like
lucky gardenpanda moonfortune housebamboo palace
so - is that racist?
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
Usually the English name isn't even a translation of the Chinese right next to it.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Like it'll say 'Fortune Garden' in English but the Chinese is actually 'Pork Restaurant' or something.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
fail to see how that Chinese ad is any different from the Mexican ones with mariachis etc., I dont see Chinese people having a problem with it outside of maybe "come on, this isn't what our restaurant ads look like"
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
have you asked your chinese friends their opinion?
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have any Chinese friends.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
oic
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
I used to work with an impro troupe that did a show in the country, where they got into a load of dreadful stereotypes with varying responses:
Italian accent with-a words-a ending like-a this-a and godfather hand gestures – uproarious laughter
French 'haw' noises and cheap gags about bread sticks – uproarious laughter
Chinese 'velly solly' gags – DEAD SILENCE
It seems to be down to whether the culture is *perceived* as a minority; to view e.g. the Chinese as a 'minority' in this day and age is condescending and absurd imo. Sorry if this ends up as another giant clusterfuck but I seriously dgi.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
the chinese are indeed a minority in washington, dc
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry if this ends up as another giant clusterfuck
lol no you aren't
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
French and Italian people are white, traditionally
― Number None, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
"there are a billion people in your country, why are you mad that I called you 'slanty-eyes'"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Personally, I think it has something to do with the fact that I have never once seen an Asian person act in this way
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
how many asian people have you met tho
― iatee, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
True, but I've never seen a French person wear a stripy jumper, clutch a wicker basket full of baguettes etc xp
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
where I live there's a huge Hmong population and the only stereotype about them that really rang true is that they're all really, really good at pool
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
well obviously that's a racist thing
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
well I wouldn't laugh at this either but the image itself is kind of funny
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
aimless otm, re: stereotypical vs. racist
still, even stereotypes that don't rely on "genuinely negative imagery" can be effectively racist when they reflect an overall tendency to reduce perceived "others" to cartoonish types
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
the Chinese as a 'minority' in this day and age is condescending and absurd imo
omg lol
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
So, is this where I should mention the all white production of Hairspray being performed in the Dallas suburb of Plano, TX?
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/mixmaster/2012/01/at_plano_childrens_theatre_the.php
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
It just came across my twitter feet and I actually did a face palm. Now I have to clean my glasses.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
EZ has Twitter feet.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
it explains my horrible typing.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
haha i did not know enough (ie, anything) about 'hairspray' to recognize the problem
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
how they weren't going to bow to "political correctness"
This tells you all you really need to know, tbh.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
it's a pretty huge problem
in some ways, it's more problematic than doing an all-white "Porgy and Bess"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
Rodenbaugh said they might do To Kill a Mockingbird with an all-white cast or Othello or The Wiz (three shows I mentioned to him that feature African-Americans either in prominent roles or as a majority of the cast).
― spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
an all-white "The Wiz"
let's just ponder that for a while
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
incisive! daring! innovative!
― Aimless, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
He was probably just trolling the reporter at that point, or some twisted one-upsmanship. "Oh, we'll do that too!". "And that one!".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Raisin in the Sun!
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
"might get together with a certain mayor and do a version of West Side Story where we just eat tacos for dinner"
― spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
someone inform The Corner of this brave display
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
There was a good episode of Strangers With Candy where they do an all-white A Raisin in the Sun, and the school's black students are trees on the set.
― polyphonic, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
but guys guys is it racist?
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Golden Raisin In The Sun
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, January 30, 2012 4:45 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://www.google.com/search?q=marcel+marceau
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
tbf the baguettes + basket were *imaginary*
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
all white cast the color purple?
― Mordy, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
ooookay.
― pplains, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
all purple cast of the color white
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know for sure but there's like a 90% chance that there's a south park about this
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
there's a boston legal about it but
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KBYGLvTKzrg/TF1Wx4zh0hI/AAAAAAAACA0/tSE3S_Tj_xc/s400/grimace.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 30 January 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
I can't believe I haven't mentioned this until now: I have a coworker who is probably in his 40s, Chinese, and is somehow still kind of naive about some American customs and culture. He's super friendly.
His name, I kid you not, is L4ng D3ng. As in, pronounced extremely closely to Long Dong.
I'm doing a facepalm thing just thinking about it
― mh, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC5HT1Qhmo
a (britishes) counselor had us perform this song at summer camp one year. but before we did - he singled out and asked the lone asian kid at the camp if it would be OK. the kid said yes. I am pretty sure he was Korean.
― bnw, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
Malaysian-born school friend's dad's name was Ch1ng Ch0ng
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
He used to go by an abbreviated nickname because obv he would have been faced with a wall of shit every single day
Chinese 'velly solly' gags – DEAD SILENCEIt seems to be down to whether the culture is *perceived* as a minority; to view e.g. the Chinese as a 'minority' in this day and age is condescending and absurd imo. Sorry if this ends up as another giant clusterfuck but I seriously dgi.― Autumn Almanac, Monday, January 30, 2012 4:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, January 30, 2012 4:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
this was the appropriate response btw. and uh, what are the demographics of australia? because asians and asian americans make up only about 5% of the american population.
― dayo, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know the exact number but people of recent east Asian descent are high against other immigration paths.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
okay, and that makes chinese people not a minority in australia because...?
― dayo, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
think the point is that french/italian ppl are also a minority in australia
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but being a white person of european descent in a country consisting largely of the same typically makes a huge difference.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
french/italian ppl were never 'coolies'
when china takes over the world it may ultimately become 'okay' to do ching-chong stuff, but it's going to be a long while
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
there's a Wing Wong Chinese Takeout somewhere around here.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
hey don't look at me this is AA's 'idgi' igi
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't say that, and it's not even the point I was making
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
then what point were you making?
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
do chinese people face discrimination in australia?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
australians never discriminate against non-whites they are too polite
― tumblring dice (crüt), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
btw I accept that I didn't explain myself properly but please understand that I'm not supporting or even defending nasty race jokes. My point was expressly (but stated badly) that the response to various types of racial 'humour' can come from that person's idea of what constitutes a minority, and that I find it woefully depressing that e.g. a nation of 1.2bn people is still viewed as a racial minority by so many in the west etc etc. Yes I know representation of Chinese genealogy in Australia/America is rah rah % or whatever.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
australia is disgustingly racist fyi, look at our political agenda on any given day
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
uh, would just like to point out that being a racial minority in a western country has no relationship at all to the country from which that person came. I accept, though, that you weren't making that observation from a bad place. I looked it up, and according to wikipedia, chinese people only make up 3.5% of australia's population.
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not trying to poo on you, but . . . no matter how many chinese ppl there are in the world, they are minorities in anglo-saxon countries and have historically not been treated particularly well by said caucasians there (or even at home).
at any rate, there are probably better barometers of progress than acceptance of racial joeks in polite company.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
(i know you know this, i just think your original statement was put awkwardly)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
mookie, I do understand and I completely agree with you. I'm genuinely sorry for making my point so badly.
re australian race relations: remember that sydney erupted against people of lebanese descent a couple of years ago. basically if you're not white anglo in australia you're regarded by scores of southern cross-tattooed thugs as unwelcome.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah
I was joking :)
― tumblring dice (crüt), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
canadians, however . . .
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
if you think that's bad, you should see how the kangaroos treat those of british descent
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
anyway the worst part about that sign is that it's a "chinese-japanese" restaurant. ming is not a japanese name afaik and chinese and japanese food only share very superficial similarities!!
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
I think that's how the restaurant sells itself tho? and I'm guessing it's owned by chinese people?
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.yelp.com/biz/mings-restaurant-washington
I guess by 'japanese' they just mean 'sushi'
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
round-eyes are easily fooled about the differences between various east asian ppls
a certain type of (american) customer would avoid such an amalgamation; another type would be all like 'this place has asian food covered amirite'
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
my mother still thinks greeks and italians are identical and interchangeable
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
also maybe I DIED and dc ilxors may disagree, but dc 'chinatown' is pretty disney-fied
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
chinatowns will all prob get increasingly disney-fied as chinese immigration dies down in the future
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
i ate here when i was on maui last weelend:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/asian-cuisine-and-sports-bar-kahului
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
In most US cities, Chinatowns are just relocating out of the previously cheap city centers to newly cheap suburbs, but the city still wants an area to have a Chinatown identity (good for tourism & neighborhood branding!). This leads to very questionable things like a Hooters being required to have a Chinese translation of their sign, as though that will keep the area's former spirit alive somehow.
There are a ton of Chinese/Japanese, Thai/Japanese, Korean/Japanese etc. restaurants here - in all cases it just means it's a restaurant of whatever nature plus sushi, in part because there's a very small Japanese community here but a much higher demand for crappy sushi.
The underlying issue with the sign is that while the while the use of a chop suey font is relatively benign and has a history of use in Chinatowns over the last century, it really shouldn't be held up as an example/template by a local planning body. While not the harshest stereotype in and of itself, it's often been partnered with stereotypes as a way of emphasizing a generic otherness, for example:http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/greenoahu/movies/long-duck-dong-1.gif
― spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
I think all the decent "chinatowns" I've been in have had larger concentrations of non-Chinese people than Chinese people, really.
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
what chinatowns have you been to?
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
Melbourne's Chinatown is real and overwhelmingly authentic
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
Not very many now that I think about it?
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
is an authentic chinatown authentically chinese or authentically chinatownish?
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
Chicago's was more Chinese than I give it credit for. Montreal had a strong Vietnamese presence (lol french speaking?) x-p
iatee otm about "authentically chinatownish"
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
i have a friend who used to waitress for PF Chang's, and apparently during training they provide you a prepared response to customers who ask why no one who works there is asian
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
"if a customer asks this, make sure to tell them they're fat..."
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
Melbourne's is a lot like the older parts of HK, so authentic in that way
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
i always felt like the best food in philly's chinatown was vietnamese. in fact, i'm pretty sure it was.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
now i want vietnamese food. i'm hungry again...
scott the best vietnamese in philly is on washington ave around 11th street, also on 6th
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
montreal's chinatown was really small, like one block, from what I remember of my visit there
― dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't been in philly in so long! since i moved. which is like 8 years now. which i can't believe. 9 years even! holy smokes. but the restaurant called Vietnam in chinatown was one of my favorite restaurants in the city and i never had chinese that equalled it there. and there was another good place too but i forget the name.
things have probably changed though...i can't believe it was that long ago.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
i've been on ilx for 9 years. that's what that means. holy toledo. that's crazy too.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
10 years in june! i checked. i should have a party. by myself.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
and cry...
seattle's "international district" (chinatown) is basically pan-asian, but it's large, active and gots lots of good chinese restaurants. and people.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
it'll be 10 years in August for me. and I'm only 24. :/
― tumblring dice (crüt), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
Chicago's "New Chinatown" (on Argyle Street) is actually mostly populated by Vietnamese and Thai people.
Regular Chinatown is on the South Side, and I think most of the Asian people there are Chinese.
I don't know why they call the one up north "Chinatown," "New" or otherwise, except maybe...racism?? (I went with the name "Little Saigon" which is another name for it.)
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5880712/president-asked-to-dance-a-jig-by-random-internet-person
― dave cool, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
this will be annoying but:
" Jewish but (GOOGLE:NOPE)NOT Semitic: AntiSemitism" a verbal(GOOGLE:NOPE) weapon to hide Zionist crimes and save Zionist reputation.(GOOGLE:NOPE) This word "Antisemitism"(GOOGLE:NOPE) is extensively used by only the Zionist Jews. This has become a (GOOGLE:NOPE)verbal weapon to save their name and hide their war crimes."
so craftie , i am in awe.
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure it's racist. pretty pretty etc
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
are you quoting the 'scarlet johansson is a clone' author?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't heard that theory! How do I acquire another of these clones?
― mh, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
remember that sydney erupted against people of lebanese descent a couple of years ago.
Remember that a small bunch of young racist thug dicks who are actively territorial about individual WAVES IN THE OCEAN in a small area of Sydney that is so against the outside world that many of them literally don’t even go into the city... erupted against a deliberate group of ppl of Lebanese descent making a demonstrative incursion onto “their territory”
Saw a suburban restaurant on the weekend called “SEAT – Your Housetaurant” with “outh east sian and hai” spelled out from the vertical acronym in tiny letters
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
a deliberate group of ppl of Lebanese descent making a demonstrative incursion
should know their place amirite?
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
scott (or dayo), did you ever go to the Burmese place in Philly? it's really good.
― an a drive (los blue jeans), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
[xpost to contenderizer]
I am 100% in favour of public demonstration whether ad hoc or organised, dickhole, hence using that approving adjective to describe the actions of people looking to start a fight, just saying that not even wilfully isolationist aggrobogans from Cronulla were fomented by A1an J0n3s to drive an hour forty to my mother's suburb, which has THE HIGHEST PER-CAPITA LEBANESE-IMMIGRANT-AND-DESCENDED POPULATION IN THE STATE, if not the country, and smash up all their light-up Santas and reindeers, and there were no "eruptions" any further out of the Shire than fucken Punchbowl, so perhaps AA's entirely-well-meant line might have been expressed slightly over-broadly
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
you're right sic, I didn't mean to smear 4.5m people by describing the actions of one (1) very small bag of dicks, will be more careful in future
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago) link
also if I've missed a further point please dickhole me at will
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
irl lol @ "dickhole"
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
an approving adjective, iirc
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 06:24 (twelve years ago) link
nah I knew what you meant. but while Australia has many layers of complex problems with racism, I do think the physical foofooraw had a lot more to do with young male pack-bonding to overcome insecurity, and both surfie and Shire culture, than it did with endemic racist attitudes (on either side - the "Aussie sluts" putdowns reported to have been dropped by the rejected suitors are the only on-site citation of r-bombs pre-11/12, and if true, they're self-evidently auto-cancelling in context <cf "Gangsta Gangsta" stanza 2, by Prof. O'Shea Jackson, 1988 {Priority}>, even without being coupled with "virgin," as they were.)
TLDR:
in the txt-msg organisation of the potential-fighting, the same racial language is used on both sides evenly as plain descriptors, not as weighted abuse – cf. "Every fucking aussie. Go to Cronulla Beach Sunday for some Leb and wog bashing Aussie Pride ok" vs "All lebo I wog brothers. Sunday midday. Must be at North Cronulla Park. (...) fight each Aussie. Yulleh. Lets get hectic and turn gods country into wogs country. Habib will be cookin victory kebabs after. Tell all your cousins"
It’s not until J0n3s gets involved that the leb vs skip element becomes really racially tinted beyond Our Team and Your Team. Whether the above were genuine, created by the “other side”, or sent as fakes to generate outrage, it’s on the level of Soccer Fans X organising to have a fight with Soccer Fans Y because they’re young, bored, frustrated and Having A Grand Old Biff will be fun and strengthen their own sense of belonging to something.
The rhetoric gets specifically and wilfully amplified by J0n3s, and notably among ppl who aren’t physically nearby, nor in any way likely to get involved*. “Middle Eastern grubs.” Cutting off an older lady caller who tries to dampen his racism with "Let's not get too carried away, Berta. We don't have Anglo-Saxon kids out there raping women in western Sydney." And repeatedly reading out one of the texts calling for “Aussies” to gather at the park in North Cronulla.
*Although of course it's then the wider media reportage of Jones' pulpit-pounding throughout the week that may have spread the ire to tourists, or given locals a rhetoric to seize.
waaaaay TLDR:
(Even the police report is very scrupulous about noting that apart from strutting and braggadocio, the Lebanese roosters on the beach throughout the year, up until the lifeguard push‘n’shove on the 4th, caused no other major problems; and super-super-tellingly for an objective official document, observes that the 5000-strong crowd gathering on the 11th “consist[ed] mainly of young Caucasian males draped in Australian flags and wearing beach attire”, and notes TEN MINUTES LATER a briefing of officers on “Recent intelligence concerning 'Bra Boys.’" (The first TWELVE incidents of violence recorded, across the following SIX HOURS, are all of crowds assaulting 1, 2 or 3 men, sometimes noted being of “Middle Eastern” appearance – it’s not until 4.20 that there’s a one-person-against-crowd incident (with no race alluded to)... and that’s one young man throwing a beer bottle at police, who arrest him while a crowd of 500 jeer and spit on the cops, who charge him with “possess drug” and ask the local bottle-os to close voluntarily. That the whole thing is so largely a fomentation of AM radio is underlined by the first actual group of “Middle Eastern” dudes to turn up in the area, instead of going “yeah orright” when cops or State Rail go “carn fellas it’s not worth it, go home and have a beer eh”, are at the hospital in KOGARAH almost EIGHT HOURS after the Jones-advertised gathering, in response to reports about the blokes injured earlier in the day.)
aaaaanyway, no frogbo, gonna stop reading this 104pp PDF and go to the pub
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
summary – j0n3s is a vile disingenuous bigoted cunt (on that we can all agree)
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link
am laughing at dickhole as a verb too! xp
― dave cool it (stevie), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 08:18 (twelve years ago) link
Take it to Use this thread to judge other people for their fetishes
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
dickhole me elmo
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
as you wish *dickholes you*
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
I saw that one coming, but it was still great
― mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
never saw that version of "The Princess Bride"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
is a dickhole a hole in a dick or a hole for a dick
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
or a hole made by a dicklike a pinhole, but with dick
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
I came here to post that I overheard a guy in the office saying "oh yes that coloured boy" then denying any intended racism when someone pulled him up for it, then found myself pondering dickholes.
― onimo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
lolll
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
I came here to post that I overheard a guy in the office saying "oh yes that coloured boy" then denying any intended racism when someone pulled him up for it
I used to work with a white sth african who would jovially yell 'DON'T HATE ME COZ I'M BLACK' in the office all the time, insisting that it proved he wasn't racist
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
I don't talk to him any more
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/taco_mayor_on_new_appointee_is_he_not_dark_enough_for_you.php
seriously what is with this guy
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
oh my
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/01/28/news/metro/doc4f24c2c3b8808976093729.txt?viewmode=fullstory
In a situation in which East Haven police are accused of violating the rights of Latino residents, many of them Ecuadorean — and in a town that in the past has been accused of discriminating against blacks — Maturo appointed just one minority member to a new eight-member committee formed to look for ways to improve the Police Department.
That man, Jose Velasquez, is Puerto Rican.
In an extensive discussion that followed a reporter’s observation that Maturo didn’t appoint any of the Ecuadoreans who appear to make up the bulk of East Haven’s fast-growing Latino community and own most of the Latino businesses along Main Street, Maturo questioned why anyone would need to choose “a certain type of Latino.”
“If there’s a certain type of Latino that I should have picked, well then let somebody write it down on paper,” Maturo said. “‘I want a 5-foot-2, I want a certain sex.’ You tell me what you guys want. You want me to order it?”
When it was noted that Puerto Ricans are born as American citizens and travel freely to and from the mainland, while Ecuadoreans come from another country on another continent, are not automatically U.S. citizens and face immigration issues when they come to the U.S., Maturo responded, in part:
“I mean, if I had to pick an Italian, do I pick a northern Italian? A southern Italian? We’re Italians. I picked a Latino. Did it have to come from a certain section of the country? You know what? I think that’s a foolish statement to make. And I feel bad that you made it.
“I wouldn’t make a statement like that,” Maturo said. “I brought in a Latino. Is he not dark enough for you? Light enough for you? I don’t know. ... I wouldn’t have said that.”
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
"taco mayor"
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Did it have to come from a certain section of the country?
Wow. Just...fucking wow.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
this guy = kind of lol but mostly sad, but also mostly lol
― tumblring dice (crüt), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
it will be less lol if he doesn't actually go down in flames tho
― tumblring dice (crüt), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
it's p amazing to watch someone too stupid to be an asshole correctly
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
ALL IS FORGIVEN, FROGBS
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
Racist, funny
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
wait, did he actually get banned? because if so that was a dick move of a post and I apologize
Did itDid itDid itDid itDid itDid itDid itDid itDid it
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, everything he said can be pretty much reduced to that "part of the country" line
and it is an amazing question
yeah, dan, fbs is gooone
― mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
this dude's spirit animal is a plate of Jell-O
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
I picked a Latino. Did it
― beachville, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
I mean godDAMN
he picked a Latino from the country Latin
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I KNOW I AM BUT WHAT ARE YOU
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I like that he "ordered" a Latino
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
"I'd like one token latino officeholder to go please"
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's hilarious that the quote pulled for shock value wasn't actually the super offensive thing he said
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP),
keeping this
― flags post o fu (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
taco mayor wants a certain sex
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
He said there needs to be “a healing process on both sides.”
this is my favorite because GUYS THIS RACIST MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION NEEDS A CHANCE TO HEAL
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
you know that tingly feeling in your hands you get when you hit a baseball wrong? well, nightsticks are pretty much the same
we're all victims here!
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
this is just mind-boggling. i want an abject apology from everyone who demonstrated even an ounce of sympathy for this asshole.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
eagerly awaiting this guy's first press conference with Newtie
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
joe the mayor, voice of real america
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
I want to read Baratunde Thurston's book "How to Be Black" because he was just really fucking funny on Fresh Air, but I don't ever want to buy a book because I heard the author on Fresh Air.
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 2 February 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
You should buy it because of his connections to The Onion and his general interestingness
― mh, Thursday, 2 February 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
I've seen pieces linked to Jack and Jill before, but I didn't realize what 'Jack and Jill' was, until he explained.
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 2 February 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
Unfortunately Google searches for "jack and jill racist" are hiding the truth from me, due to the Adam Sandler movie. Co-incidence?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 2 February 2012 10:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://jackandjillinc.org/
― "renegade" gnome (remy bean), Thursday, 2 February 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNSip5gyKo
― dayo, Thursday, 2 February 2012 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://youtu.be/kxw4uZAezaI
― the American Enterprise Institute asks "How Thick Is Your (symsymsym), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, this is pretty fuckin' racist:http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/pittsburgh-basketball-game-marred-horrible-racist-banana-suited-131740578.html
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
o_O
Brentwood Director of Security Joseph Kozarian, who was on duty at the game, refused to intervene, instead sitting back and at one point smiling and laughing with the Brentwood fans in the stands.
This country absolutely horrifies me sometimes.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, January 16, 2012 8:46 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^ still say this should be its own thread
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure frogbs could mount a defense
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
"they were probably friends with the black basketball players so it was okay"
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
wow. What the hell, Pittsburghundians?
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
Alternately, frogbs would probably launch into something about not understanding how monkeys are racist in the first place.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
Local Pittsburgh columnist weighs in, points out that it wasn't just spectators doing racist shit:
Monessen's Chavas Rawlins was also intentionally shoved into wall and doors under the hoop while going in for a layup by Brentwood's Joe Pilarski.The talented junior, who has a promising football career ahead of him, left the Monessen fans breathless as he held his knee in pain. He did return to the game a few minutes later.It was a cheap shot and Pilarski, who appeared proud of his actions, should have been thrown out of the game. No questions asked.The worst part of it, though, was Spartan's coach Dave Mislan, blaming the referees for the actions of his star player.
The talented junior, who has a promising football career ahead of him, left the Monessen fans breathless as he held his knee in pain. He did return to the game a few minutes later.
It was a cheap shot and Pilarski, who appeared proud of his actions, should have been thrown out of the game. No questions asked.
The worst part of it, though, was Spartan's coach Dave Mislan, blaming the referees for the actions of his star player.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't realise Nicky Wire went to highschool in Pittsburgh
― kinder, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
Do we not have a "This Is Racist." thread?
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
kinder OTM
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://gothamist.com/2012/02/08/before_yesterday_knicks_jeremy_lin.php
http://i.imgur.com/A5Z0s.jpg
― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaBSNop3g9M
― the greates (crüt), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
so far people seem to like the nickname 'shao-lin'
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
go Harvard
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
did u mean to post this gr80
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402033_10150583038119819_749574818_8713419_689217609_n.jpg
― am0n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
asian women, to be more precise
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGeMy-6hnr0
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
what the fuck
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:05 (twelve years ago) link
"i know that you're not black and that this is racist?"
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
youtube links to the dude's facebook
it's kinda goin exactly where you might imagine with this
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
"Entertaining video, but personally I would've punched you in the face if you came up to me looking like that."
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
make sure you watch till the end when they each do their "black person" impersonation
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
woof, i'll pass thanks
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
I hate this country.
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 11:37 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/miBLJ.png
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Thursday, 9 February 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
You know what, I'm not mad at this dude at all
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
Well okay, I'm a little mad at his opening salvo, but not nearly as mad as I am at all those BYU kids, particularly the black students.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
i'm totally shocked at this reaction from a school where 98% of the student population actively practices a religion that actively had a "black people can't get into heaven" clause until 1978
― dave cool, Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
I'm furious that black parents would send their kids into that environment with little to no knowledge of their own history, if for no other reason because all of those white kids are going to be turning to them to ask questions like "what do your people think of slavery" and "what was it like growing up on welfare"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
god i feel guilty right now for wanting to say "incidentally, DJP, I've been meaning to ask you..."
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
ugh someone recorded video of the banana suit incident. i feel sick. http://bit.ly/1Efd60
― dave cool, Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
probably said it a million times on ilx but I always remember re: ignorant college students this guy who lived down the hall from me in the dorms who was talking to the one black guy on our floor and said, looking at his hand, "You know, you black people are funny. Your skin is darker, but your palms are really pink!"
big old dumb farmboy dude
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
stuff like that really makes me feel like parents who act all 'colorblind' and don't talk to their kids about race or racism before sending them out into the world are some of the biggest assholes
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
there are studies out there that back that assertion up
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
(I should really track down a primary link to the study)
Soon as I saw BYU in big letters, I knew I was in for a traet.
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
BYU ideas
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
talking to the one black guy on our floor and said, looking at his hand, "You know, you black people are funny. Your skin is darker, but your palms are really pink!"
Reminded me of :36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguq0u1ARUo
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
I work in an office of about 75 people, and we've got one black dude who works here. I always feel bad at him on the retreats because inevitably, assholes get drunk and want to play "Ask a Black Dude".
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
And hey, that's Darrell up there in the screen grab!
I could be selectively remembering, but I don't feel like I was that race conscious until sometime in the middle of elementary school. I went to a school that was mostly white but had a handful of black kids in each class, and, for reasons having to do with DC demographics, most of the teachers were black. When I had black friends in kindergarten or first grade I don't remember it occuring to me that blackness was a significant attribute. I certainly don't remember thinking it about teachers, since it was taken for granted. There was definitely some threshold in elementary school where suddenly it seemed like, "oh, those kids are black," but I can't pinpoint it. I'm sure media had an effect too -- until at least third or fourth grade I don't think I had any significant exposure to things like hip-hop, and the primary media representations of black people I had seen really were through stuff like sesame street and the cosby show.
― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
There are a lot of things to be depressed about in that study—the parents’ resistance to talking to their children about race, the naivete of the colorblind crowd—but it was really encouraging to see these results:
And, for all six, their children dramatically improved their racial attitudes in a single week.
The thing that drives me nuts about liberal whites who subscribe to this idea of colorblindness is the willful ignorance of how colorblindness is used by modern racists to deflect criticism and to justify institutional racism and racist actions and beliefs.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
I understand *wanting* to believe that children, left to their own devices will automatically develop positive attitudes around race, but there are all sorts of lessons you teach your children to help guide them into making right choices, because you know they will often make horrible choices and develop bad habits, and weird ideas that seemingly come out of nowhere. Why would you believe race would be any different?
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
Before like kindergarden, my only exposure to black people was the Little Rascals and I remember distinctly thinking that when they get chicken pox, it makes white spots instead of dark ones. :/
― dave cool, Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKzn8aHyXg
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
I was in my late teens before I realized that watermelons don't really cause sickle-cell anemia.
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
Before like kindergarden, my only exposure to black people was the Little Rascals and I remember distinctly thinking that when they get chicken pox, it makes white spots instead of dark ones. http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:27 AM
― am0n, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
― pplains, Thursday, February 9, 2012 12:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if this is a joke i'm going to repost it to the "Is This Racist?" thread oh wait
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
It's not a joke.
I was in health class and had the worst kind of "waaaiiitt a minute…" re-evaluations ever.
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
When I was younger, my daycare crew ate some watermelon on the front porch. Our baby-sitter told us not to eat too much or we'd get sickle-cell anemia.
I didn't know what that was and certainly didn't know that it was a disease that affected mostly African-Americans. It didn't come up again until years later in that health class and fortunately for me, I was able to accept my discovery silently in my head. (Instead of raising my hand and completely embarrassing myself.)
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
holy crap
― horseshoe, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
holy hell
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
― dave cool, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
heh, that reminds me of when my old landlord took me and my sister aside when we were ten to explain to us why there were so many black people in prison. he just wanted to make sure we were properly informed.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
did he give you a somber chat about the grim realities of institutionalized racism?
― dave cool, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
no but one day he did inform me that i wasn't a country boy until i squished some cowshit between my toes
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
he was right on the latter i guess.
I do that all the time and I'm not a country boy
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
great start though
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
and Austerity Ponies OTM
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I know Dave (who did the BYU video), and he's actually a really good and smart and funny guy. It's worth noting that a good number of people who know him and know these things about him have called him out on the ill-advisedness of this most recent endeavor (which, from my perspective, is more a result of his high rate of production superceding his good judgment than anything else).
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
oh well, if you say he's a really good guy.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
hey i know Deric W. Haircare, he's a really good judge of character.
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
"You know, I hate racists as a whole, but on the level individually, I can get along with them 'alright."
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
I do think it's kind of important to consider the "fight ignorance with ignorance" stinger at the end of this video
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
"I mean, if Apocolypto's on Encore again, I usually stick with it for a half hour or so."
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
i couldn't make it to the end of the damn video
― horseshoe, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
"i've had lots of convos with dude and everything points to the fact that dude seriously likes rap music."
― am0n, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, congratulations to you all on your reading comprehension.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
thank you!
― am0n, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
y'all being some serious dicks to deric
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
in the face of a public video i'm not sure what relevance he's actually a really good and smart and funny guy is supposed to have
― horseshoe, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
dave not cool
― buzza, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Horseshoe, I'm just saying that it'll be really unfortunate if this particular video winds up being the thing he's most well-known for, as it's not indicative of him as a person to the extent that I know him or of his other work.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
Anytime you make a race video, that is the thing you will be most well-known for.
― beachville, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:16 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah it's really unfortunate that he made the choices he did!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
But then I knew going in that defending anyone in the 'Is this racist?' thread was going to be a losing battle whether you disapproved of the questionably racist work in question or not, so...whatever.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I forget that things are always either black or white.
Wait...is that racist?
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
aw, sorry ur feelins got hurt
― max, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Deric, I'm not attacking you for being friends with the guy or anything. But I do want to hear a couple of good reasons why it's not offensive for a white person to get dolled up in brown make-up, attempt some sort of gangsta jive accent (at least in the beginning) and run around BYU asking about Black History Month?
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I heard that Michael Richards is really nice.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
he didn't say it wasn't offensive, wtf
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
seriously y'all are way overreacting
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
(which, from my perspective, is more a result of his high rate of production superceding his good judgment than anything else)
where 'anything else' = .....
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
lmao crut no one is doing anything but clowning on the dude
― max, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
that video is clearly and aggressively antiracist. dude doing the interviews is clearly and aggressively antiracist. the fact that he decided to do it in brownface may be a lot of things (insensitive, unfortunate, fucking stupid, w/e), but it doesn't necessarily make him a racist himself. intent matters.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
oh, okay
― max, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
pplains, once again: I'm defending him. I am not defending the video. I've known other people in the improv community who would regularly go to some really questionably racist/sexist/homophobic places, and I'd be just as quick to say, "This is wholly indicative of the person I know" if one of those people had produced the video, and just as quick to register my disapproval.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what is the purpose of your hairsplitting here? its racially insensitive
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think what contenderizer was trying to say is that blackface is always acceptable
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Blackface is usually kind of a bad idea.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
my fav part of blackface is always when they show the dude while it's getting done
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
my fav part of blackface
things that should not be a poll
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
i thought we'd already gone through a big discussion w/ a huge OTM nabisco post & people understood that divining who is and isn't technically 'a racist' on stuff like this is total point missing
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
He was trying to be edgy and/or sophisticated and thinking he could get away with it because other people with sophisticated senses of humor would understand what he was doing.
― beachville, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
do you guys talk to your barbers while getting a haircut, I don't it's kind of awkward
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
I could not imagine how I would feel talking to a blackface artist if I were to get it done
I cut my own hair.
― beachville, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
However, I defer to the services of a professional when blacking up. : \
― beachville, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ a lot of you, srsly
this is really OTM: He was trying to be edgy and/or sophisticated and thinking he could get away with it because other people with sophisticated senses of humor would understand what he was doing.
the problem is that the tagline that baldly states this pops up about 10 minutes after his intended audience has hit stop and said "what a fucking racist"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait to see Jay Leno black up and go Jaywalking.
Ooohhhh wait. You said "sophisticated."
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
what does the explanation say, i can't risk watching more of that shit at work.
― bnw, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
i'd like to see someone put on blackface and then put on whiteface, some real next level shit
― omar little, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit!
― beachville, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub4/gorsh.jpg
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
if you just keep covering your face in alternating layers of black and white paint on your face, does it stop being racist at some point? assume you are not on acid.
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Just for the sake of perspective, I'm being more emphatic than I might otherwise in my defensiveness because Dave's one of the more aggressively decent dudes I've known. I didn't honestly expect my personal opinion of him to affect anyone's opinion of his video.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
er, no "on your face." xpost
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
During the filming of this video, only three people said something about me not really being blackWhich I find disturbing.Fight Ignorance with Ignorance
Which I find disturbing.
Fight Ignorance with Ignorance
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
aggressively decent
I think of myself as kind of "passively ok"
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
"Fight Ignorance with Ignorance" seems to be the name of the show/deal/whatever he's running, which if this video is anything to base it on is sub-Borat-style ambush games intended to get the interviewee to embarrass the shit out of themselves.
I don't think this is particularly well done given how he has come across to everyone itt except like two ppl as a massive racist (one of whom knows him IRL, lol)
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
that's troo, but i think it is important to keep yr eye not just on what people are doing in a mechanical sense but why they're doing it and what they're trying to say. does not excuse dude's dumbass comedy video, of course.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
It's obvious what this this guy's intentions are. Mostly, though, he biffed it and made a lot of people mad. Even if he had somehow pulled off the video successfully, he was still walking around campus in blackface and no one had any context.
Sure, he drew attention to the fact that almost none of the people he spoke with called him out for being in blackface, but maybe every one of them has a friend who knows that they were just trying to be a part of this sophisticated, edgy thing and they're really very smart and etc
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
lol exactly
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 9, 2012 1:59 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the road to hell is paved with etc
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
"etc" = "dumbass comedy videos"
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
white dudes trying to say something with comedy videos about racism which involve racist imagery or language seem to be more interested in the shocking lols than in saying anything (cf 'the amazing racist', if anyone remembers that piece of work...)
― omar little, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much my m.o. whenever i cop race humor on here.
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
just trying to shock some ignorance, that's all.
"Before you decide to do your edgy racial shit, go back and read some of the harsh criticism that rained down on Chapelle, Spike Lee, Whoopie & other black artists for their edgy race-related material/defence of dumbass boyfriends, and say to yourself, oh shit, and I'm a WHITE person."- Form my forthcoming book, Fellow White People, for Your Consideration
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
the hell is that from.
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Form my forthcoming book
aw, do I have to
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
we really need to get away from white people humor -- whitepeoplelikethis, Martin Mull, whatever.
Gives white people an excuse to laugh at themselves and then go dress up in blackface and roam the woods.
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
what a horribly-formed "book"
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
wait what did martin mull do?
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
nevermind, i'm not really ready to feel disappionted in martin mull today
^^
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089277/
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
will have to mull over this Mull development
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
he's actually a really good and smart and funny guy.
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
in fairness, that was in 1985
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Obv a low point in white people history
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, that's the year Psychocandy and The Head On The Door came out
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
no this was the low point in white people history
http://www.break.com/tv-shows/saturday-night-live/white-guys-wife-2161938.html
― pplains, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
apex of white ascendance = gloomy rock dudez w big hair and eyeliner, obv
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
Birth of an alternative nation
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
During the filming of this video, only three people said something about me not really being blackWhich I find disturbing.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/KKKramer-Is-Really-039-Busted-Up-039-2.jpg
"words, man... words"
― dave cool, Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
i would just like to say DJP has been otm in this thread
fwiw this is the same guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h131v5spb90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-JHErAP9Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnBb8p8ijM
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, this is pretty similar to the Michael Richards incident, but to be honest, I'd say a lil more all like
http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/David-Duke-300x395.jpg
amirite?
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
this doesn't remind me of Michael Richards at all tbh beyond "white guy does something racist." The "words" thing was Michael Richards trying to cover his ass immediately after reverting to horrifying racist-beast mode, whereas the "fight ignorance with ignorance"/blackface thing was premediated
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
also, michael richards "accidentally" exposed his own racist hostility, then backtracked. internet comedy dude is trying to use the superficial signifiers of racism to critique the inherent stupidity of racism. and failing miserably. couldn't even watch that "asian" thing.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aafuYtZ3nIE
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:22 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk to me it seems more like he kinda wanted to try blackface but wasn't sure how he could make it ok
― D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
that's not the impression I got at all
― the greates (crüt), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
to me, once you put on the blackface & try to intellectualize your defense of it, you might as well be saying 'its ok to say the nword in SOME contexts' then dropping it 45 times in a speech on how racism is bad
― D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
like, somewhere in there, part of him MUST have been on some getting-away-with-it thing
― D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
the part of him that's a "comedian" probably
― dave cool, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, me either. is he getting off on "getting away with" something transgressive? hell yes, absolutely. is he specifically getting off on ridiculing black people by wearing blackface? i doubt it. but you never know...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
where is that Sarah Silverman thing upthread from...? I don't remember seeing that on the actual Chapelle Show
xxxp
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
I kept waiting for the punchline
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
this guy has to be a performance artist
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
he prob fancies himself a performance artist
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 9, 2012 6:23 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why do you doubt it, other than deric haircare vouching for him?
― D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
You can't tell racial jokes at a KKK meeting? You could probably get paid handsomely for the most juvenile material.
Silverman's bit came from the Jimmy Kimmell show.
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
"You know who's stupid? BLACK PEOPLE. Am I right?" *collects check*
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
subjective, just not the impression i get. i take the sincerity of his antiracist intent at face value, esp given the fact that he's dedicated a fair amount to it. including risking looking like a huge racist asshole.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
That's in response to the video underneath his stereotype video. I couldn't watch it after seeing the Chinese hat.
I watched the entirety of the stereotype video and felt it was just too next level for me
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
must've been like reading Ulysses for the first time, I understand.
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
i have to confess that i'm responding to deej as though i hadn't tried to watch the asian thing and gotten so disgusted that i had to shut it off.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this guy isnt half as genius as he thinks he is but imo that shouldn't get in the way of what he got on tape at BYU
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
You ask anyone who you think of first when you say Black History Month, they're going to say MLK. Man's got his own federal holiday.
(I'd say G.W. Carver, but I'm a little obsessed.)
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
W.E.B. Dubois, Harriet Tubman, Carver for sure, anyone black who isn't american but was influential in US or international history...
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
i'm confused about what we're doing here. you guys aren't just naming famous historical black ppl you've heard of, right?
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
well it is the rolling "is this racist?" thread
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
No, just ones that every US school kid has mentioned constantly for years!
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
My point is that going HAHA at college kids naming MLK right off the bat as an important figure in Black History isn't really "shocking".
Only some hipster kid would name Ronald Demon first and then MLK.
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
The video would've been sub-average as far as your idiot in the street videos go, but the fact that he decided to do it in blackface and go yo yo yo dropped it way under the Is this Racist? bar.
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 04:27 (twelve years ago) link
its like leno jaywalked on himself :(
― dave cool, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/10554224-418/groups-demand-new-probe-into-marine-photo.html
― beachville, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
the fewthe proudthe horribly embarrassed (hopefully)
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
Also requesting controversial forks-style mod-lols temporary thread title change to rolling "Is KISS Racist?" thread
― beachville, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
(nb: not really)
The Marine Corps has said it does not plan any discipline because there was no malicious intent. The Marines mistakenly believed the “SS” in the shape of white lightning bolts on the blue flag were a nod to sniper scouts — not members of Adolf Hitler’s special unit that murdered millions of Jews, gypsies and others, said Maj. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman at Camp Pendleton, Calif.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XjwhKwX8vtg/Ta2BI1rSESI/AAAAAAAAAQc/TNf1tgE3aPo/s1600/0-Film-Noir-Poster---Born-Yesterday-01-prev.jpg
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
This is interesting:
DULUTH - A close-up of a white woman's face confronts motorists from billboards plastered along major roads here with the message, in large, black letters: "It's hard to see racism when you're white."
The billboards are part of the Un-Fair Campaign, which also includes dozens of posters that have appeared in office windows, including one poster depicting a young woman with this message written in black marker across her forehead: "Is white skin really fair skin?"
One of the stated goals of the campaign is to create a community dialogue. In that regard, it got more than it bargained for.
Hundreds of the city's white residents have complained that the campaign's kick-off images and messages are offensive. The campaign, they say, blames all racism on whites and implies that white people aren't smart enough to recognize racism.
Meanwhile, the campaign's defenders and sponsors, including Mayor Don Ness, say they've received dozens of hateful messages and e-mails from all over the world, as news of the campaign hit websites that cater to white supremacists and other racists. One message to Ness: "Die, scum, die."
"I became kind of a lightning rod for groups outside our community," said Ness, who was accused in messages from as far away as Scotland of inviting "white genocide" and being a "traitor" to his race.
"It was disappointing to see the level of hate and ugliness," he said.
Ness said he's also heard "heartfelt objections" to the campaign from many "thoughtful, well-meaning" Duluthians.
One of those citizens, Phil Pierson, created a Facebook page called "Stop Racist Unfair Campaign" to air objections to it. More than 425 people became members.
Pierson frequently posts messages admonishing members to keep the discussion civil, and he deplores the white supremacist rhetoric showing up in some messages to community leaders.
Still, said Pierson, the campaign erred by opening with such jarring messages and images.
I'm not surprised that this is blowing up, the world being what the world is. I'm am, however, smdh at the notion that the message "It's hard to see racism if you're white" is somehow offensive to whites. Really? I mean, of course it's hard to see racism if you're not the object of it.
The campaign, they say, blames all racism on whites and implies that white people aren't smart enough to recognize racism.
Are these people 12-year-olds? ffs
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
you have been cordially invited to 'white genocide' please r.s.v.p.
― am0n, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
gbx to thread! I want to know if there are actually that many people in Duluth who are not white
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
white people aren't smart enough to recognize racism.
new thread title
― rob, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
Duluth's population has stabilized: 85,493 in 1990, 86,918 in 2000, 86,265 in 2010. As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 35,500 households and 19,918 families in the city.[3] The population density was 1,278.1 /sq mi (493.5 /km2). There were 36,994 housing units at an average density of 544.0 /sq mi (210.0 /km2). The racial makeup of the city was 92.7% White, 1.6% Black or African American, 2.4% Native American, 1.1% Asian, 0.0% Pacific Islander, 0.3% from other races, and 1.8% from two or more races. 1.1% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race.[13] The population's ancestry was 23.6% German, 16.8% Norwegian, 15.3% Swedish, 10.6% Irish, 7.1% Polish, 7.0% English, 5.1% Italian, 3.2% Scottish or Scotch-Irish, 1.5% Danish, and 0.4% Welsh according to the 2000 Census.[14] Thus, slightly more than one-third of Duluth's residents were of Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, or Danish) ancestry.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
it's hard for a Welshman in Duluth, MN
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
Is anyone here actually offended by this?http://justpiper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/racism-bill.jpg
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
92.7% White
to be honest, I was expecting 96%
my reaction to that billboard is "well, yeah"
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
more accurate would be "it's hard to see racism when you never are its target"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
the sun reflects off our alabaster cheekbones, making it hard to see anything.
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
blinded by the white
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
to be fair, you get looked down upon if you don't look at least a little nordic
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
Some people think Italians aren't white
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
Richard and Patrick were coming out of a pub in Wales one evening when Richard spotted a Sheep with its head stuck in the railings.
"Look at that Paddy, we cant miss a chance like that" says Richard
So Richard walks up behind the sheep, drops his trousers and does this business.
Richard then says "Okay Paddy its your turn next"
So Paddy drops his trousers and stuck his head in the railings......
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
Welsh = bestial? Irish = stupid?
Richard's not a very Welsh name tho
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
LOL RIchard Burton
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
it's hard to see racism when you're blind
― the greates (crüt), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
you can't hug your children with nuclear arms
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
your automatic armsyour electronic armsyour petrochemical arms
― the greates (crüt), Friday, 10 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
It may be difficult to know what it's like to be on the receiving end of white-on-anyone-who-isn't-white racism (particularly institutionalized racism) if you're white, but I don't think it's necessarily difficult to see or empathize with the effects of racism if you're white.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 10 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EPSbt.png
― pplains, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
irl LOL
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
so not gonna happen
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, February 10, 2012 9:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
set off like a douche in the middle of the night
― D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MmV0DDpGlo
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
wow i'm glad i missed everything yesterday, but this:
― omar little, Thursday, February 9, 2012 3:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm, like there isn't a single grand enlightening thought or piece of commentary that a white person can say about race that would ever excuse their decision to extend the life of one of our most racist traditions
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
loooooooooooooooooook billboard otm
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
j0rd mentioned this
http://who-is-bon-iver.tumblr.com/
so at first I was like, lol @ bon iver, but then I read the sidebar, now I think this person is a jackass
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ "bonny bear" though
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
"Hello bitches, nicki minaj should have won, she has her own nailpolish line!!!"
<3 <3
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that blog is more or less tumblr whites going "lol dumb uncultured non-white people"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 13 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
Who is Bon Iver? People seem to like him.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
Although thanks to the people quoted in that tumblr, I now know how to pronounce his name.
guarantee you that half the tumblr whites reading that blog laughing at people for typing "bonny bear" went around saying "bon eye-ver" for at 3-6 months
― J0rdan S., Monday, 13 February 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
oh I didn't know it was pronounced that way
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
how popular would my new blog who-is-taraji-p-henson.tumblr.com be?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 13 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
"bon eye-ver" = how I thought it was pronounced up until I heard someone say it last week.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
that probably won't work since she's currently on a hit show
try who-is-gabrielle-union.tumblr.com
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
Bish please, I used to know the entire casts of BOTH Bring it On and 10 Things I Hate About You.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
this was just as unfunny and weird when it was "who is arcade fire" dot tumblr
― max, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - <3
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
My consumption of teen/youth culture has obv hit a wall since then.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
I like how the premise is to laugh at ppl who don't know who Bon Iver are but he's such a precious humourless stan he ends up just putting anyone in who speaks ill of their music
― Sylv_ebanks (DJ Mencap), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Monday, February 13, 2012 10:56 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark
i love that whoever made this blog added this
Of course, this blog would not exist if not for Paul Tao's brilliant whoisarcadefire, so props to him for that.
yes, thanks to paul tao for breaking the "who is" tumblr glass ceiling. without him, none of us would be where we are today, laughing at people on the internet that we think are stupider than us.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 13 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
recognizei also did not know that it's pronounced bonny bear; for some reason this makes me like him a bit better
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
j0rdan getting mad about the bon iver tumblr is hilarious and weird like deej getting mad that the MIA thread for having new answers after the super bowl
― some dude, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
maybe start a tumblr with screenshots of their posts
― bnw, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
i also did not know that it's pronounced bonny bear; for some reason this makes me like him a bit better
i'ts not, though, is it? thought it was "bone ee-VEAR" (rhymes with "bear").
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
idk i think me getting aggy over the bon iver tumblr is a bit in character
― J0rdan S., Monday, 13 February 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
named after his hero Bonnie 'Prince' Bear
― some dude, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
Bon Eau Claire
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EYC1T.png
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
No Autechre?
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
max otm
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
oh- tee -care
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
bonton biever
― lol u watched the grammys (buzza), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MA6UndC3z60#!
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
There's six series of that?
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
are you horrified or intrigued?
― gyac, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
So now that I know how it's pronounced can I ask another question? BI is just a dude? I assumed it was a band. lol.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
he was named after Bon Scott iirc
― some dude, Monday, 13 February 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
lolling at dudes who are behaving as if they did not know that they were into a indy folksinger that most Americans have never heard of.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
BI is just a dude? I assumed it was a band. lol.
Justin Vernon is the dude's name, Bon Iver is a nom de plume or a band depending on how many people are playing
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
vernon is just his middle name tho, his full name is: Justin Vernon Bieber
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
How about this:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/06/hoekstra-wont-apologize-for-super-bowl-ad/?iref=obinsite
― monster_xero, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
We had an entire thread on that. Search "spenditnow".
― getting good with gulags (beachville), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
shit. I thought we had a thread on that. Can't find it though.
― getting good with gulags (beachville), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
thread devoted to www.debbiespenditnow.com
Somehow it seems to still be a little too ok in *educated liberal* circles to imply that Chinese people are a bunch of clone drones:
http://static.cdn.realviewdigital.com/global/content/GetImage.aspx?pguid=FC9071DC-DD99-441F-A727-1B74670350BC&width=232&i=2012-02-06&folio=031
(The New Yorker)
― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thegrio.com/politics/new-york-magazine-published-picture-of-obama-evolving-from-ape-to-human.php
http://i.imgur.com/S4VmO.jpg
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
xp http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/15/undifferentiated-groups-of-asians-as-ad-props/
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
although I suppose people will point to the beijing olympics opening ceremony and say hey, they want to be treated like that
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
― happiness is the new productivity (Hurting 2), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:22 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is so true. i remember a couple of years ago hearing a story on npr about...something about Asian students coming to the US for college...and the entire piece had a really annoying crypto-"yellow menace" feel to it but then the reporter actually came out and said, "these students aren't necessarily automatons, though; they're well-rounded" or something like that and i was like "..."
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
I prefer my automatons to be made in America
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDY89LYxK0w
as suggested on the sociological images blog, this is the magical negro manifesting as an entire country.
― ledge, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
How much of the supposed deference in the cultures of East Asia stems from their traditions of authoritarian rule and how much is the result of colonialism?
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
you had me at "From the Director of Shakespeare in Love"
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:47 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
i dunno, compare contrast w other previously colonized countries/cultures/peoples. if a typical effect of colonial rule is "supposed deference", then...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, pretty sure this is racist:http://images.thepostgame.com/sites/default/files/JeremyLin%5B021612%5D_345x259_1.jpg
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
Not only offensive but dumb as heck and aesthetically sub-par.
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
where is the companion "everyone knows this is racist" thread
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ worst Neil Young song
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
irl lol
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
That really came from the MSG Network!
― pplains, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://p.twimg.com/Al62eDPCQAEBwJF.jpg
― I DIED, Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:26 (twelve years ago) link
whoa
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:37 (twelve years ago) link
guessing someone just got fired and ESPN mobile is going to rethink their 3am headline editing shift
― I DIED, Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:39 (twelve years ago) link
These are absolutely astonishing. You get a lot of the same things when US news / culture outlets are dealing with Indian / Pakistani Americans. The advances made by black and latino groups in not being openly demeaned by people who would want to be viewed as not racist should have been a rising tide that lifted all boats - i can't fathom how anyone can think that stuff like this is remotely acceptable.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:39 (twelve years ago) link
Wow that is appalling.
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:40 (twelve years ago) link
Trying to think of a non-racist reason to choose that particular expression and I cannot.
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
(In this context I mean.)
see he used that word himself so it's ok, right? (wrong)
― valleys of your mind (mh), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
That is fucking insane.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, can't believe that ran on ESPN
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/9YBWh.jpg
Nice to see these adverts being targeted.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
I'd say Confucianism is a huge part of the milleniums-long feedback loop that helped to establish this tradition. Confucius (more properly Kung-Fu-Tse, iirc) started with a deep reverence for social order and developed a whole philosophy based on paternalism and mutual obligation. It's really not much different from the theory behind feudalism and most autocratic government, when you look at just the broad strokes, but Confucianism was adopted by The State very early on and got kneaded into the basic substance of Chinese society at the foundation level and in all the details of daily life. For example, a son who fell short of the complete obedience owed to his father could be criminally prosecuted for filial impiety and thrown in prison.
You don't throw off something this deep in a culture very quickly, although it is probably less strongly rooted than the caste system in India.
― Aimless, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
"chink in the armor" is a popular phrase in sports journalism but yeah not really the best choice here
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
to put it mildly
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i seriously WTFd at that
― Nhex, Saturday, 18 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
fucking goddamn, jenny hyun is a songwriter for SNSD and Girls Generation and Chocolat and just ugh wtf:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlir9sS4B1qeyiqp.jpghttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlirtS9Es1qeyiqp.jpg
and ten days earlier she writes:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlitwDiBh1qeyiqp.jpg
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
she uh
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
sort of yielded the high ground
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
to say the least
like what the FUCK
the thing that you should notice is the part where she says she doesn't hate black people even though she just CALLED FOR THEIR GENOCIDE AND SAID THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT THEM
living in a racist world means that being called a racist is considered more hurtful than actually being racist. EVERY TIME someone goes on a stormfront-esque no-doubt-about-it 100% racist rant, they always end up saying "no, i don't hate blacks, i'm not racist" at some point. every time. everything is more fucked up than it ever was and human beings are confounding.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
she said ERADICATION OF ONE TOXIC FAMILY
HOW DO PEOPLE GET TO THIS POINT IN THEIR LIVES AND NOT REALIZE THAT TALKING LIKE HITLER DID IS RACIST
you're already saying all this shit! look at your words! at least own up to it, you don't have anything else to lose at that point!
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
i hate everything
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
i think what they think is that "hate" is an irrational emotion succumbed to by the thoughtless and uneducated whereas they themselves think intensely about this subject all the time so they're coming from a place of expertise you understand
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
if only everyone could just step back and look at things rationally
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
but no they insist on indulging their knee-jerk PC objections to genocide
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
She's a nobody. I'm not even sure she's listed in the credits for the one song she's meant to have co-written for SNSD. I can't imagine she'll get much work in the future.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
xpost she could write a rationally-argued book about it, call it "my hassle" or something like that idk
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
think she crossed the is this racist question hurdle by quite a bit
― bnw, Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
Wow she's still going too. Something about jews and zionists in there. Is she mental?
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, better grist for "this is racist" thread
some discussion of this on the ILM k-pop thread, though no more than was said here
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/jennyhyun1.png
^ from yesterday
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
the one about jews is a little more upbeat:
"What a beautiful and inspirational history they have. Jews will always have a huge place in my heart. We are a family."
i'm glad she's willing to include me in her loving family
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ "my hassle"
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
who is she? besides a hateful racist on the interwebs?
― Mordy, Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
she's jeremy lin iirc
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
apparently she grew up in virginia and lives in NYC. i know she's a nobody and didn't have a career in the first place, and i know that even frogbs in his prime wouldn't argue about it being racist (MAYBE). i'm just more interested in figuring out the brains of people who do these things and then insist they aren't racist.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
if u want to read other racist things on the internet, 8t07mf70nt is full of it
― Mordy, Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
does that say pitchfork
― bnw, Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
ayo!
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
can't say i really understand the mentality of seeking out racists
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
i find that there's plenty of racist things already without getting into legit WNs. as long as they occupy their little paranoid corners they typically don't even bother anyone. of course a lot of them also claim to not be racist or hateful.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
i used to be fascinated by stormfront bc i was sheltered and thought that was where all the racism in the world hid
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit u actually said their name + have now summoned the beast
― Mordy, Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
i find that there's plenty of racist things already without getting into legit WNs.
Would... Nuke?
― kinder, Sunday, 19 February 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link
white nationalists (st*rmfr*nt people call themselves WNs a lot)
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
more terrifying than "white supremacists", imo, at least in implication
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
jenny hyun twitter updates:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/jennyhyun2.png
I love KFC. #YaHeard
that "Official Apology to Black Community":
Okay guys, listen up!
You are threatening me with the fact that you know my address. You guys have also started to roar your engines every so often outside of my home. I get it. This is my official apology to the black community.
I do not regret what I said, however, I now understand that there are some lines one cannot cross.
Please take this apology and do what you will with it, but hopefully, everyone will remember to stay calm, cool and collected and remember that violence is not the answer.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
what a piece of shit
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
add "this is my official apology" to the list of things straight-up in yr face racists do that are confounding
there's no actual apology, and i don't mean it's insincere i mean she doesn't actually say anything apologetic. it's like claiming to have written an autobiography because you stapled together a pad of blank paper with the words "this is my official autobiography" on top. it's just like her "i'm not a hateful racist" bit.
i think this behavior comes down to the fact that the system/culture in america (and most of the western world probably) teaches everyone that racism is bad, being called a racist is awful and will result in your being ostracized, and the only black people worth respecting are the dead ones who stoically broke color barriers decades ago. it doesn't teach respect.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
i know, right? "This is my official apology to the black community. I do not regret what I said..."
"apology" is different in her dictionary than in mine
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
that's the word for what you say after people get pissed off at you to get them to stop bothering you, right?
― j., Sunday, 19 February 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link
@jennyhyun's account is protected.
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:01 (twelve years ago) link
Im surprised it took that long.
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:20 (twelve years ago) link
she equates slavery with advancement opportunity, like it's getting in on the ground floor via an internship, is what i think she said. that's some pretty next-level stuff right there.
― slugbuggy, Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:28 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ow6UfFdTbk
I just wanted to say I'm a huge fan of Kpop and I will be actively checking all liner notes and any associations you have with Kpop groups and boycotting them. Seeing how you want to eradicate my entire race I wont be supporting you.Kosaiya 34 minutes ago
lol @ this racist cunt shitting on blacks and yet trying to sing all R&B like us.Premedify 43 minutes ago
racist bitchExfire27 1 hour ago
Lol you talentless whore. Give up you pathetic piece of shit.Conker814 1 hour ago
Keep trying, racist Bitchmslizzy03 1 hour ago
You disgusting pig wank shit cunt.PuRpLeBuBbLeZ818 2 hours ago
― i think you'd be cool to meet. i bet we'd have a lot to talk about (buzza), Sunday, 19 February 2012 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
love the fact that her racism makes a billion internet assholes feel perfectly okay abt unloading grotesquely misogynist bullshit
smdh @ humanity
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:10 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I gotta say the abusive shit she's copped on her wordpress blog is as ugly as what she's said herslf, which is fucking depressing.
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:38 (twelve years ago) link
goes to show how vicious the cycle of hatred is that things escalated from "Floyd Mayweather says something pretty racist about Jeremy Lin" to "Jenny Hyun says a lot of even more horrifying racist things about all black people" to "entire internet turns up misogyny + racism guns to full blast"
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Sunday, 19 February 2012 09:00 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I know.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png?1306264975
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Sunday, 19 February 2012 09:26 (twelve years ago) link
"misogyny + racism guns to full blast"
Saturday night in the Gibson residence.
― knocked over like the last act in Mackbeth (onimo), Sunday, 19 February 2012 09:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://tracking.si.com/2012/02/19/espn-fires-one-employee-suspends-another-for-ethnic-slur-against-jeremy-lin/
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
the jenny hyun stuff belongs is a "holy shit, people will actually publically admit to being this damn racist?" thread
― Nhex, Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
Huh
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 20 February 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://jennyhyun.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/apology-to-all/
Jenny Hyun has been admitted to a hospital today. She is a paranoid schizophrenic and has been battling mental illness, a debilitating disease for many years.Friends and family of Jenny want to extend their sincere apology for any harmful statements made verbally or via the web that Jenny has made while she was in the height of a psyshosis episode. We appreciate your understanding during this difficult time for her.
"psyshosis episode"
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
(Legitimate question from an ignorant person): Does schizophrenia work like that?
― Walter Galt, Monday, 20 February 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
in my experience bipolar disorder is the one where in a manic episode people will say all kinds of really offensive shit that they don't mean. but the "schizophrenia" update looks to me like the person herself trying to come up with an out & landing on an untested one, or an extreme iteration of "he was depressed." paranoid schizophrenia involves delusions of grandeur/persecution & firm, fixed ideation, not quick backpedaling
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
nah dude, it totally makes you write in the third person, and not know how spelling or commas work
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's possible that en route to the hospital, she gave the password for her blog to her family so they could write a post clearing her name
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 20 February 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
and also perhaps that was one diagnosis she got at one time that her family latched on to (or can remember).
― #1 Inspector Spacetime Fanboy (Viceroy), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
"I Am The Resurrection And The Life. No Man Comes To the Father Except By Me. Why Isn't There A White History Month? Mom, update my blog, tell them I'm sick"
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Monday, 20 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
clearly an invention, everyone knows there's no questions allowed in catholic ritual
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Monday, 20 February 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
lol at aero
― pplains, Monday, 20 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
So: There's a thing called Google Takeout, which is an initiative to increase your ability to get your data out of Google, if you want to. And it's run by an internal Google team who have called themselves the Data Liberation Front, more than a little tongue in cheek. And this is their logo:
http://www.dataliberation.org/_/rsrc/1251320114685/config/app/images/customBackground/dl-bg.png
I genuinely don't know whether this is offensive, or stupid, or whether I'm just being over sensitive. But it does remind me of the article about Rand Paul and the TSA from the GOP thread.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
The logo shows bits breaking free of shackles. I am not really seeing where the racism would come into play...?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:36 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it's that the fist has a lot of connotations to black power (obviously it's used in other contexts) and using to symbolize the ability to download your contacts from Google+ kinda trivializes that?
― beachville, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:44 (twelve years ago) link
I was under the impression that that particular fist was actually a universal symbol whose associations reach well beyond the black power movement.
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/LibrariansAgainstDRM.svg
A big red fist = black power?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
xxp: I'm trying to get at the heart of why Andrew thought it racist.
― beachville, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, racist is not I suppose exactly where I was going, though I did initially connect it with the Black Power movement (I think this is bizarrely just because... there's an arm?). I lolled at the Librarians as well, but at least they are (to varying levels of ridiculousness across their membership) struggling under some sort of oppression, where, as beachville says, reusing the iconongraphy for contacts download seems kind of O_o.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
This led me here:
http://www.aics.org/images/aimaim.gif
I don't think I had every looked in detail to the AIM's logo before, but god forgive me the peace sign just says "bunny ears" to me.
― beachville, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
I may have just leapt back from the monitor, having spotted the face that they are being the bunny ears to.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
I think the fingers are feathers, not a peace sign.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://yourlifemoments.ca/images/moments/2010/7/EDMInterBroElectric%20LOGO.jpg
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
The 1's and 0's in the fingers are a clever touch
― HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
IBEW logo is one of my favorite logo designs evar
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'll go out on a limb and say that this article, published earlier this week in the online magazine Alternative Right run by the ex-editor of Taki's Mag and The American Conservative, and associate of Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan, et. al. (group photo:http://www.hlmenckenclub.org/Home.html ), is possibly racist..
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/the-magazine/is-black-genocide-right/
― Campari G&T, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
Mine too, shakey!!
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
I saw large sticker version plastered on one of those temporary doors they put up when subway stations are half-closed for construction, took a picture of it, used it for phone background for a long time.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
This was after the 1968 Mexico City Olympics and the most famous raised-fist black power salute of all time, but when I was in high school in 1970 my older sister, who was in college, gave me a t-shirt with a blood-red fist stenciled on it with the words "On Strike! Shut it down!". This was in the weeks just after the Cambodian invasion, the Kent State and Jackson State killings, when college campuses all over were shut down in war protest. I wore it often enough it wore out.
I tried to use GIS to find a similar image, but couldn't. It was not considered in any way racist at the time, but a universal symbol of resistance and solidarity.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
lol not really the shakiest of limbs there, Campari
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
I don't actually have to ask, p. sure this is racist.
http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/internet-memes-he-doesnt-even-really-need-the-calculator.jpg
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
ehh, idk?
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
that's pretty mild as far as borderline racsity jokes involving jeremy lin
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
"internet-memes-he-doesnt-even-really-need-the-calculator.jpg"
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
Racist in a complimentary way
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
he got into harvard because he was good at basketball and not cause he was good at math
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
But all Asian people are good at math, that's the racist bit?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
"Math", listen to me
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
"Asian", listen to me again
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
He got into Harvard because he was good at both. (He studied econ.)
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but he had a 3.1 gpa, that's like the lowest gpa in harvard history
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
haha oh no it isn't
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
man I wanna get that AIM patch & sew it to my jacket but I get Is This Racist? racial angst about it
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
I don't understand that patch, why is the Native American's head made out of a hand?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
Peace sign / headdress mash-up?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
'73 after all
it's a much-needed call for oppressed peoples to grow prehensile head-fingers to aid them in their struggle
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
that lin photo is pretty racist
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the photo itself is racist but the text implies that he wouldn't be capable of it if it weren't for his secret math skills
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
instead of, being good at basketball
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
like that's not even 'racist in a complimentary way'
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ it's really interesting iconography to me, I think it's asserting connections between the desire for peace (presumably shared by many who might run across the image) and the need for some sort of restorative justice for native Americans
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, last week I got asked if I was doing calculus when I was four years old. ¯\(°_0)/¯
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
Ah right, didn't spot that right away
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
plus also native americans are notorious jokers in photos and patches xxxxpost
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:20 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hahaha did you know all Jews are shrewd businessmen? It's true!
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
If you see a meme or whatever out there of Jeremy Lin playing upon his Asian heritage, it's probably a little racisty.
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
Just tell me please that I'm not going to be opening this thread for the next two months and seeing fortune cookie math chopstick wong chong dong jpgs posted over and over again with "Eh? EH?" captioned underneath.
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
it's racist to not want to focus on lin racism
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
now I want to read "lin" as "iln," like it's an anagram of an ILX board
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
I would love to be able to tell you that but trends seem to point towards exactly that happening.
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
this is becoming a fetishist thread
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
welcome to ilx
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
I Love N...
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
Was this some sort of Whiney experiment to see if ILX could go from a Kings of Leon video to the Moore's Ford Bridge in fewer than 5000 posts?
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:03 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
racisty, imo
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
it doesn't take advanced math skills to beat jack black to the hoop tbh
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
― pplains, Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
well, as opposed to everything else that is racist but doesn't deal with asians and asian americans?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
or jeremy lin
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just saying I'm seeing a lot of subject matter here where there shouldn't be any question whether it's racist or not.
This thread is becoming some sort of Rorschach test, where an analyst is turning over placards, asking us what we see, but instead of inkblots, they are crazy racist images over and over again.
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
there have been several "put that in a 'this is actually racist' thread" posts but lol like anyone is going to do that
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
hey so, update on @ghettohikes: fake
shocking, i know
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Well I think this thread has pretty much evolved from "is this racist?" to "holy shit, look at this racist thing".
(djp otm)
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
also lol that evolution kind of happened in the first 50-100 posts
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:23 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah, i said that a ways back, but wasn't really serious. was mostly a way to add emphasis, e.g., "holy shit, that's racist!"
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
I hear you all, but fwiw:
encyclopedia of racist products
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
I guess a photoshopped image isn't really a product. Just throwing it out there.
rolling "Is This Racist?" / "Is That A Trick Question?" thread
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
That's kind of aside from my point though, which is that everyone just sees this thread bobbing around on SNA and posts to it without thinking about it.
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
that's true - do people still bitch in the MIA thread?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
anyway: this is p racist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1D_9XTaS4o
still lol @ i.Beat Blaxx
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
what the fuck WNYW
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'd like to think the producer is saying in that anchor's ear SHUTTHEFUCKUP, SHUTTHEFUCKUP, SHUTTHEFUCKUP.
New York is suddenly making Houston look really progressive.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B9teMyceN84/TtmT-AFnUoI/AAAAAAAABTo/Z9kyLqmmIug/s400/Yao-Ming+smile.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
they left it so you can color it yellow
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
the Jeremy Lin phenomenon is pulling a lot of band-aids off of festering wounds that I think most of the US has been pretending have been non-existent since the 80s
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
and the thing I find the most fascinating beyond that is how so many of these horrible stories are popping up around Asians, Hispanics and Muslims of a multitude of ethnicities, to the point where I weirdly feel like black people are starting to be ignored
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
I think thats kinda otm, but also just reminding everyone that too many people think racism is still okay if its against a group they (meaning the racists themselves) don't think of as "disadvantaged".
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
the "racist in a complimentary way" comment is also really important; i think a lot of people understand they'll get in trouble if they say something racist as part of a negative statement or insult but don't recognize it as racist when they phrase it as a positive statement. at least that's what seems to be popping up a lot with the lin stories.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I blame the racialists
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, j/v/c otm. imo, what this stuff (fucking ENDLESS mexican menial "jokes" on family guy and elsewhere, for ex) exposes is that lots of people think racist shit is okay as long as it doesn't have anything to do with black people.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, exactly.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not a racist, some of my best friends aren't black.
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:24 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what's worse: ghetto hikes being fake or ghetto hikes being real?
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
ghetto hikes
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
I'm 28. I have a full time job leading urban kids (of all races) on nature hikes. I simply write down shit they say.
lol @ new parenthetical on that piece of shit twiiter account
― buzza, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
I...don't see anything racist in that local news Lin vid?
Are we talking about, "What about his eyes?" as a racial remark? I think that's just the main anchor razzing the sports lady for talking about his "great build." "What about his eyes? Dreamy, right?"
Am I missing something or is that how people are interpreting it?
― So Arabian Spruce (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
Twitter response to @ghettohikes from a white girl:
Haley Stewart @HayStew
Stuck in traffic with mom and the sister. So I entertained them by reading about every @GhettoHikes tweet ever in my best ghetto voice.
Hmm.
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
it's already been covered how lamebook (also a good source for 'edgy humor' involving race) and ghetto hikes are run by the same dude, right? (well, ghetto hikes is at least registered to one of the dudes who runs lamebook.)
jonathan standefer:
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4065/4566773018_b62d4da5fc_z.jpg
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
a midget thomas haden church imo
http://madamethursday.tumblr.com/post/17730142487/so-last-night-i-got-about-fifteen-frantic-emails-from
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
xp Just sitting here with my water thinking about kittens and racism.
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://austinme2000.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/organic-cody-ground-on-royal-forests-direction-after-the-groups-name-switch/
― So Arabian Spruce (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:53 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://i.imgur.com/wRUrd.png
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/07/lady-chinky-eyes-papa-johns-store-uses-receipt-to-call-woman-racial-slur_n_1191434.html
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/coRnu.jpg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/yd6rc.jpg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but isn't knee-jerk assuming that a comment abt an asian dude's eyes MUST = le racisme! actually MOAR racisty than just, you know, saying something abt an asian dude's eyes?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god, he's asian, must not mention eyes! like, wtf?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
..........................
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9vt78UNmL1qan9mlo1_400.gif
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
Obviously I know the history of "slanty eyes" as a stereotype. I honestly think the way that anchor used it had nothing to do with that and was in the sense of "Did you get lost in his eyes?" after the other reporter acts like she's crushing out on Lin.
― So Arabian Spruce (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
^ this
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
"man, why is it not okay to use the word 'uppity' to describe a black person? what if the black person is really being arrogant? I just don't get it..."
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
don't think that's exactly the same thing, but i won't deny there's history. i read the whole thing more as "awkward" than racist. ymmv.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
lol i just found out a facebook 'friend' of mine "likes" ghetto hikes. pfft.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
so guys, questions to ask yourselves:
1. jeremy lin is 6'3. as far as athletes in the NBA go, is 6'3" remarkable? worth commenting about?
2. when you talk about a basketball player, are their eyes something you normally talk about? do you talk about michael jordan's eyes?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
"nice arms - long arms, that's what you need in a point guard" <--- definitely sounds like she has fallen head over heels in love with jeremy lin!!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
god, I feel so stupid for even needing to spell it out.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
that should be "nice build" not "nice arms," btw.
hey dayo--what if youre the real racist?
― max, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
long arms like a simian amirite
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
*looks in the mirror, realizes uncomfortable truth*
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
i'm sick of how political correctness is ruining this country!!!~!!
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
is it cracked cuz if so sorry but u are linsane
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
can't even talk about a guy's simian forelimbs no more
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
chris paul is 6, steve nash 6-1, rubio 6-4, rondo is 6-1, so lin is about on the high average for point
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
steve nash is 6'3 btw
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
so short!
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
id guess the chance that a nba player listed at 6' is actually 6' =
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
was spud webb actually 5'7" y/n
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
soi disant 5'11.5 point guards wd make terrible used car dealers
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
well known in philly that allen iverson lied about his height
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much everyone does. dwight howard is 6'9"
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
oops got nash wrong but either way lin's height is p much normalish for his position
i haven't even seen him play cuz the stupids at FSN didn't broadcast the wolves/knicks game but someone on espn was saying he was more of a combo 1/2 guard than a pure point but i don't know if that's true, he seems to be getting good assist numbers
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
how tall is kemba
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:42 PM (54 seconds ago)
we had a big debate on the NBA thread about this actually
i've seen kemba in person many times, he's probably 5'11" or 6'
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
so either the news clip is "haha what about his slanty eyes" or "haha stupid woman can't talk about sports like a man" pick yr poison
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
to take it back a few posts i think the ghetto hikes thing is vv interesting b/c those dudes are internet businessmen hiding behind innocuousness, "lol yeah this is just a tumblr of some stuff i overhear." kind of the face of (the often-strawmanned) notion of noxious white privilege. and of course the one dude is actually a teacher, if i read the article right, and i wonder where this shit comes from. fake? real but framed as "lolling at the others who are different from what i perceive to be the norm?"
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
u may be reading more about ghetto hikes soon
― max, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
max, u do god's work
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
take a ghetto hike
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder where this shit comes from. fake? real but framed as "lolling at the others who are different from what i perceive to be the norm?"
― omar little, Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:45 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's just racist
http://www.hulu.com/watch/10356/saturday-night-live-white-like-me
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/283/768/2837685_300.jpg
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
*takes Jeremy Lin on nature hike*
― buzza, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
hiking the Appalachian Trail iykwim
― tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
ok i know it's kind of a dead season for sports, but the fact that boxer floyd mayweather and ufc prez dana white get espn headlines for *commenting* on an nba player is . . . something
also lol that lin > carmelo
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
well, there's also the "haha, lols w my coworker" possibility, but that doesn't play into any enticing rage narratives, i guess
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not sure why u write abt the internet, max. i mean, the internet's just words to begin with...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer, while i think it's kinda creepy admirable that you've decided to fill frogbs' shoes while he's been gone, maybe you don't need to go to bat to explain away every racist comment?
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
harrumph i say. one /= every, deej. i read this as "news dullard fumbles dumb joek abt his co-anchor crushing on lin." sure, it came out fucking weird, but not shock horror racism, imo. of course, that's just my interpretation. i may well be wrong, but it's hardly in yr taco mayor leagues no matter what you make of it.
[/frogbs]
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
countdown to matt p screeching in to call me a nazi or some shit...
deej?
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
jokes, bruv
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:45 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 17:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well, if you want to consider 'disadvantaged' and 'black' synonyms, you're ... on the right thread at least?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 February 2012 10:45 (twelve years ago) link
ENDLESS mexican menial "jokes" on family guy
I've said it before, from a UK perspective, the anti-Muslim/Arab jokes on Family Guy are really jaw dropping
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 10:52 (twelve years ago) link
xp Oh come on, that's low. contenderizer obviously means that the people who make racist jokes about Mexicans equate "black" and "disadvantaged", and therefore apply different rules, not that he does.
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Thursday, 23 February 2012 11:41 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
I read it as being racist against asians, 99% of asian americans would read it as being racist against asians, and I wish you would stop telling me otherwise.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 12:16 (twelve years ago) link
lol good try
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
dayo is racist against Asians
― max, Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
That savage
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
wait, just so I get this clear, dayo, do you think his joke was:
A. What do you think about his [dreamy] eyes? [<--Potential for double meaning makes it offensive]B. What about his [narrow compared to us white ppl] eyes? [<--Horrifying explicit racism makes it offensive]
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.doletown.com/simpsons/wiggum/ralphface.gif
"Oh boy, news! That's where I'm a racist!"
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
how are things going, dave cool? pretty cool?
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
I see why contenderizer is making this argument; the female anchor immediately jumps in with muttered "THEY'RE DREAMY!" comments while the sportscaster is laughing. The problem with that argument is that they are coming from the same person who starts the clip by asserting that a dude who is of average height for an NBA player in his position in short, which JUST SO HAPPENS to be another "thing" people talk about re: Asian men.
Really, all that clip needs is for someone to ask, "Do you think he gets... intimidated, when he looks around the showers?" and for the sports reporter to say, "Oh no, the entire team is proud of his success and has his back 100%?" to fully transform this into the type of joke being called out upthread as a racist Family Guy bit.
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
for furthur context: is the video going around because ppl are actually legit offended or it is mostly a "haha accidental racism" viral video like
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
this is way more offensive to me tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxN1zkQgKKA
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
I had to watch that twice before I even noticed what happened
when did The Boondocks become live-action
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
haha I had no idea spike lee was already in his rambly old man years
― iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
dave cool, which answer would you choose?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
he's always been kinda rambly!
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
I call him Ramblin' Spike Lee
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
40 acres and some blues
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:16 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ important post
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
but we can always plays "white people tell others when its ok to be offended" some more
What did Spike say upthread? I couldn't pay attention through all the sports.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
shortly after :22 in the video, Spike says "I like Dick" (re: someone on the Knicks) and the announcer calmly says "Pause" while Lee is still talking
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
i have never heard "pause" in lieu of "no homo"; this is common parlez?
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Ok, so it wasn't Spike but the announcer. I get it now.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
forks it hasn't been THAT long since you listened to any new rap has it?
― some dude, Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, homophobia transcends race so that offensive clip is not racist
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
still classic:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8BMA6r3_xI
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Pause"
― pplains, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
...but we can always plays "white people tell others when its ok to be offended" some more
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:36 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
jeez, not sure it's necessary to personalize this in such aggressive terms (said to both of you). wasn't trying to say that no one has a right to be offended, just that i don't perceive clear evidence of racist intent on the reporter's part. maybe, maybe not, and i'm inclined to presume innocence in such cases. that's just me, though. i fully expect others to read things differently...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
dude: uh, i listen to new rap pretty much dailyi just never hear anybody say this in regular speech and i must filter it out or something... post a song that does this?
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
and fuck boondocks really
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
lol Boondocks 4eva <3
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
As a white dude, I would never feel comfortable saying that "99% of white people believe x", but hey.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
nothing against you crut; i just can't stand that cartoon. or mcgruder, really. i respect that guy as much as i do jim davis or scott adams.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer, keep digging
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
i respect that guy as much as i do jim davis or scott adams.
:O
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Is it because he wrote Red Tails?
boondocks is great wtf
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
xp oh did he? ha, no but that's funny.he's just not a good cartoonist or comic strip writer. he's a good businessman. you ever read his comics journal interview?
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw I think Boondocks works a LOT better as a show than a comic strip, but still, wtf
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
i like that i'm discussing my distaste for aaron mcgruder in the "is this racist" thread. lost before i started.
I don't understand how anyone could find the R.Kelly episode unfunny
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not a connoisseur of the show; i've watched maybe three episodes here or there and i find the outsourced animation very bleh and the stories hamhanded on a par with family guynot my thing
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
Boondocks was the best written and best animated show on Adult Swim (damn w/faint praise).
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
forks
family guy
why
Also you realize Beetle Bailey is the only good modern comic strip anyway
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
"modern"
I'm not gonna argue "best animated" but yeah, I definitely think it's on a level above every other piece of programming they've ever had aside from Futurama
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
see, i'd argue venture brothers and mutts but what do i know
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
i think we're all forgetting a superior piece of animated entertainment called 'american dad'
― omar little, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Venture Bros looks like a Flash animation (esp first season)
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
no doubt, first season was weak but the building blocks were there. looks great now!but i also have always hated futurama's lack of body. different strokes, folks.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
If you watched more eps of Boondocks you would probably not regret it.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
venture bros i think WAS flash animation in its pilot but the visuals improved from there pretty quickly
― some dude, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I haven't read a new Beetle Bailey strip in probably like 10 years but I imagine they're still making jokes about high-ranking US military official Gen. Halftrack trying to comprehend "e-mail" while leering at women dressed like 1966
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
OK, 1) American Dad is actually really, really funny, head and shoulders above the other MacFarlane joints, and 2) ATHF had some of the funniest writing although obvs the animation was for shit.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Halftrack is all about these very deep alcohol/marriage problems now, I love it.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
This will keep you up to speed on 21st century Beetle Bailey: http://joshreads.com/?cat=26
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
i have given so many friends and family members the coldest, most dead-eyed stare i can muster when they tell me that American Dad is great
― some dude, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, the only comic strips i regularly read (outside of comics curmudgeon's filter) these days are by old dead guysjosh is a real neat guy btw, i did a web based show with him at one point
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Boondocks (cartoon) had very good character development. The one where Uncle Ruckus met his family was astonishing.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
"oh, what racist thing happened today? *opens thread*"
I rank them:BoondocksFuturamaVenture BrosMetalocalypseChildren's HospitalNTSF:SD::SUV:::OG Space Ghost/Brak Show/Sealab/Frisky Dingo/Harvey BirdmanATHF/SquidbilliesFamily Guy/American Dadall those random 15 minute shows that aren't around anymoreTim and Eric Stupid Show Fuck Off
BoondocksFuturamaVenture BrosMetalocalypseChildren's HospitalNTSF:SD::SUV:::OG Space Ghost/Brak Show/Sealab/Frisky Dingo/Harvey BirdmanATHF/SquidbilliesFamily Guy/American Dadall those random 15 minute shows that aren't around anymoreTim and Eric Stupid Show Fuck Off
"*closes thread* fucking ILE..."
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Boondocks -- comic strip and tv show -- was brilliant. I think I slightly preferred the comic, partly because I have a soft spot for newspaper comics, and partly because when you read it you knew this was the best thing since Calvin & Hobbes.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
I did have an actual 'is it racist' question, about this brand of shirts a lot of my students wear that looks like all those stupid MMA brand shirts. The shirts say WHITEBOY on them in big letters. They get them at this store in the mall that sells a bunch of MMA brands that my friend says is run by the KKK (I don't even know how you confirm whether the KKK is running a store). Anyway, I kind of want to know and I kind of don't, because I don't want to see these kids and think 'ugh white supremacists.'
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway these shirts give me the creeps whether or not they are actually being sold by the KKK.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:17 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
I had trouble reading boondocks because every once in a while, he would do a really obvious straight Bloom County or Calvin & Hobbes rip and I internalized those comics when they were fresh. Yeah, I know they were doing the same thing to Pogo and Krazy Kat and whatever, but it was an irksome experience for me.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
I think if the shirts say WHITEBOY on them, you have as much as you need to know right there. Still, what's the store? I bet ilx could do a little digging.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
It is a store called Hardc0r3 101 in the p4rk Pl4ce M4ll.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
maybe someone licensed some ultra-rare Jewel material
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.rockcityrec.com/cwc/Images/CWC_Main.png
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
the "I'm not a racist but" clothing companyI'm not even sure why I had to ask, sorry everyone.
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Boondocks the comic strip eventually became just Huey sitting impassively in front of a television that said things for four panels in pretty much every strip, as far as I can recall from my newspaper-comic-reading days. Which were a while ago now.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Abb, did you happen to hear about Floyd Mayweather?
http://www.sportaphile.com/2009/07/21/floyd-mayweather-mma-is-for-white-boys-who-couldnt-cut-it-in-boxing/
― pplains, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
haha I feel like Floyd could support his own "why did he say that" thread
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
i always sort of liked or maybe wanted to like boondocks, both as a strip and a cartoon, but never quite managed to close the gap and actually enjoy it. macgruder's sense of humor just never really clicked with me.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
ikwym i don't really like rap music dunno why
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
I didin't even know what mma was until I looked it up and Mayweather was the first result.
If the KKK is behind Mixed Martial Arts, than I just don't know what to think.
― pplains, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
It would make sense but not really.
the KKK are against martial arts-mixing iirc
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
fun fact boondocks started out in my campus newspaper and macgruder is probably in our top 3 coolest alumni. and i just learned that liberty meadows started there too! that was my favorite comic as a kid.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
"Now just hold on, Jeb! You can't start with a wushu stance and move to a tae-kwon-do form in the same round together. Use yer goddam head, boy!"
― pplains, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
I give MacGruder bonus points because he's one of like 5 famous people from my hometown.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
It's not even MMA, it's these stupid second-tier brands sold alongside Affliction & Tapout shirts. Is someone who wears a Metal Mulisha shirt a secret white supremacist, or do I just assume anyone who supports even a fake fashion [sic] 'mulisha' is a secret white supremacist because of my associations w/the word "militia" from growing up in Idaho in the '80s and '90s?
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby)
???
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
beachville do we have the same hometown and what HS did you go to
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
Hammond High '96.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWxGMqI_SE&feature=player_embedded
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
o hey i graduated hammond ten years later
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
I think I beat your school's quiz bowl team a few times in HS.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
not surprising!
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
Huh. so are you from King's Contrivance?
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
yes, and we eat there every mother's day.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, my folks still live out there. I take my family to visit them once a month or so.
― beachville, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
aw, that's so racist
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
asian americans have said, loudly and unambiguously, that it was a racist remark. I don't understand where there's room for your interpretation or why you keep on pressing the point?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
super late to this but 'what about his eyes": Greg Kelly's employment is almost entirely based on him regularly saying the most wtf/facepalm things...he's clip regular on The Soup, fwiw
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
def racist
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
File under "yes, this is really fucking racist and sexist":
Dave Mustaine to African women: "Put a plug in it."
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
am i too late to get in on the southern maryland talk w/ zach and beachville?
― some dude, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
if we limit discussion to american history x we can cover both racism and edward norton
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:15 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
people have a right to take offense at whatever they want, and in this case they have every reason to do so. i don't dispute that. all i've been talking about is intent. i don't see any clear evidence of racist intent on the guy's part (as opposed to taco mayor, who clearly intended the slur). that doesn't necessarily excuse the news dork or deny anybody the right to consider his remark racist regardless of intent.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
..............................
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
so everybody's required to be a mindreader now? or people have to hold up giant signs that say "I AM INTENDING TO BE RACIST?" what is this magical 'intent test' that must be satisfied? why the fuck am I even arguing with you on this absurd point?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
also weird when you're like ISN'T IT MORE RACIST TO THINK THAT THIS RACIST THING IS RACIST
― max, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
well tbf it's equally as racist, just reversed
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
racist manslaughter vs racist homicide
― pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think we've already established that I'm the racist here, which contenderizer helpfully pointed out
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol u did like ghettohikes
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
ok, here's what i don't understand: if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?
― Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah and I feel shitty about it and have felt shitty about it ever since. I apologize for ever liking ghettohikes!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
I'm 28. I have a full time job leading urban kids to watch Jeremy Lin play hoops. I simply write down shit they say.
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:46 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
gah, this wasn't even my thing! i didn't bring the argument in question into the thread. other people were already talking about the dude's intent. seeing that, said that i don't think the guy intended a slur. i wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it or anything.
at this point, you, dayo, decided to take me to task, saying that i was denying people's right to take offense. i responded to that, and you've been bashing me hard ever since.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?
dude, i'm just talking in a thread. i've been subtly and directly accused of racism by several people here, it sort of makes sense for me to at least try and clarify where i'm coming from, imo.
in ironic light of that, i'm truly sorry that i accused you of racism, dayo. thought i wasn't really serious, it was a thoughtless and fucked-up way to make my point (that it's perhaps a little weird to automatically assume that a reference to an asian person's eyes must be a racist invocation of supposed difference).
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
trust me dude, your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.
― Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
so you think your point is still valid, then?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
well, yes and no. i do think that it's worthwhile to at least consider intent, to the limited extent that we can ever know it. nevertheless, i was wrong to minimize the offense, to say that it wasn't racism. i was underestimating the power and pervasiveness of the stereotype.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
the power and pervasiveness of racism, not to put too fine a point on it
your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.
yeah, i know. still, you have to kind of expect people to defend themselves when challenged.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
What if he's expressing his racist thoughts but doesn't know it/is unaware of them? Are we supposed to tolerate that?
― lost dion/tomita collab (blank), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
What I mean is: just because you're not consciously aware of being a racist doesn't mean you're not a racist. Re, the news person
― lost dion/tomita collab (blank), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
Also lin's not that hot idk
― lost dion/tomita collab (blank), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:32 (twelve years ago) link
well he sure did turn the ball over a lot tonightso i no longer like any asians ever
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
"that punch in the face hurt like hell"
"but he didn't mean to hit you"
"that does not make my face not hurt"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
We have not and will not flag your post and you're free to take your opinions elsewhere. I'd rather not call the mods, but if you insist on continuing to disturb our posters I will. Please leave.
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
wtf, that's just obnoxious from the other end. no one needs to be threatened by self-appointed ilx posse spokespeople. plz don't speak for me, ok?
― Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
Stand down mordy, i's a HOOS in-joke
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 February 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
standing down
― Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's funny, now that you mention it, i get the in-joke, but it seemed painfully sincere when i first read it
― Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
board politics; tearing ILX apart
― Nhex, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
I just like that forks can call off Mordy.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'
well, that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment. there are lots of regular ILX posters about whom i know very little. you have to spend a fair amount of time here and pay close attention to sometimes subtle cues to begin to be able to accurately sort people by things like race and gender. i initially responded to dayo without considering that, which, in retrospect, was thoughtless of me.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
Subtle cues like the WDYLL thread?
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
some people never look at those threads (although we pick up other cues from people's posts)
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw, not everyone participates in those though
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment.
It isn't "invisibility", it's "normalization".
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
Right. Like, would it have been OK if you were certain it was "just us white guys" talking?
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
everyone on the internet is the same race, and that race is 'asshole'
― iatee, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like its usually better to err on the side of not telling people that their feelings are wrong, generally
― max, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
also its good practice not to say things that can reformulated as "isnt it you who is the real racist"
― max, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol I thought frogbs was banned
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
ideally you wouldn't tell people that what they're telling people is wrong. but since that's not the case, I can say this!
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
so wait, is telling people that telling people that they are telling people that what they feeling is wrong, wrong? I'm trying to make a chart
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
well there are exceptions, for example if you feel that dayo is the real racist, your feeling is wrong
― max, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
except when he was repping hard for ghettohikes
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
didn't we already have a huge discussion about how things can be racist even if the person doing those things is not Hitler
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
does contenderizer even think hitler is racist tho
― iatee, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
I'm glad that you're capable of forgiving and forgetting, some dude
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
hate the crime, love the war criminal
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
haha i totally forgot about you defending ghettohikes until you brought it up itt!
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
that was buzza! in any case if it wasn't clear before, I'm really sorry for attempting to defend ghettohikes and I'm sorry!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
^^ worse than hitler imo
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
this thread, summarized:
http://www.iqcontent.com/blog/files/wp/2009/05/infinity.jpg
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
Heritage, Not Hikes
― pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
no j/k if Hitler had posted the thread of real chinese food I'd forgive him too self-xps
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
newsreader thing seems like a guy saying a sports phrase, but saying that i really don't think dyao is a racist for believing otherwise and hope the court rules against contenderizer here, who is also prob not racist but sure likes to argue about this stuff
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
ghettohitler would get so many followers
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
dmac were not talking about the espn anchor, we're talking about the wnyw guy
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
americans all look the same to me
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
DJP otm about normalization; also my guess would be that posters of color on ilx are hyperaware of the races of other posters, just like in the world. i know i make a mental note about it. this is not to blame white posters for anything; it's just to say. WDYLL thread is not the source for my mental database about this stuff fwiw.
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
for ages i assumed deems was wite but it turns out he is white
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
I can't even tell who's male or female, much less what continent from the past 1000 years their ancestors originated from.
― pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
okay tbf i am also likely creepier than the avg ilx poster
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/ghetto_7d3769_1720320.jpg
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
hs I do try to keep aware of those attributes but I think I may also be a little jaymc.xls about it too
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
horseshoe_race.xls
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
haha xp
my point was that people of color have more reason/need to be jaymc.xls about race in general but i shouldn't assume about ilx, i suppose
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
(makes small mark next to horseshoe's name on list of ILX posters)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
(becomes self-conscious that the mark might be misinterpreted - it was meant to be just a tick, right?)
(furiously scratches out entire page)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
horseshoe - indian (that's all i know)
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
I thought it was Indianan.
― pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
This thread's bad for me making up racist jokes in my head.
When I get arrested for yelling racial epithets off a building down here, I'm telling you now that I'm going to say it all came from reading too much ILX.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, February 24, 2012 7:38 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
i basically never visit the WDYLL threads, and that's perhaps a mistake on my part. i like the "pure ideas" aspect of internet communication, and maybe i do sometimes allow that enthusiasm to override my respect for difference (i.e., universal white man syndrome). if some raceless internet apparition says something that seems to imply a kind of racism they're perhaps not aware of, i'm tempted to call it out. problem is, there is no such thing as a "raceless inernet apparation", and i wind up sticking my foot in my mouth, as happened here.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
on that note, i'm sorry for being an ass, dayo
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Did you just call me a ghost?
― pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
what is ghettohikes oh wait google oh no slowly ghettobackingaway
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
again, it's not from the wdyll threads that i become aware of this stuff fwiw. race affects people's "pure ideas"
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^ OTM, I think the only times I pay attention to the WDYLL threads are the sporadic instances where my picture shows up on it
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
sounds p racist dude
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Friday, February 24, 2012 8:05 AM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark
oh yeah, it definitely does, as does gender and sexual orientation and lots of other stuff. but they're not always equally self-evident. perhaps especially so where i'm concerned: i was misdiagnosed as autistic when i was a kid, and i've always been a little slow on the social uptake (big surprise, i know).
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
thanks contenderizer.
thanks, contenderizer.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
whoa that was weird. zing is bron weird. didn't mean to do that twice!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
bron weird
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ new gaga single
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
ftr, i'm personally very concerned about being put on any race xls lists. my peeps have had bad experience with that.
― Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, I will put you down as "Navajo"
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, if you pay a little attention, you can pick up a lot without a pic and a biography.
For example, by reading the description to ghettohikes (hint: urban kids (of all races)) and reading a couple pages, I can tell that Mr. Cody is a white dude who is obviously making up a lot of blatantly racist jokes with barely a wink at pretending to be a humble documentarian.
O_o at anyone believing this is in any way innocent kids say the darndest things stuff. (sorry, I assume this was beaten to death upthread based on apologies and whatnot.) </ghettohikes>
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, February 24, 2012 11:03 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
here's a really good rule of thumb: never accuse someone of "reverse racism", regardless of their race
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, no, it wasn't "reverse racism", it was hyperawareness of difference = plain old ordinary racism
irony being that my comment was a product of tone-deaf ignorance of difference
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
all joking aside, you guys are all white though right?right?*hyperventilates*
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
i thought you were all women
;_;
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
I am a sentient gas cloud from another dimension, I don't know what you're all on about.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
the singularity is happening itt
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
looooooooooooool invisible nutsack
― horseshoe, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
<3 <3 <3
"My name is VegemiteGrrl and I am a centaur."
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog
― ledge, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
fuck you i'm a dragon
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
getting all or purple itt
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13220238/images/1292858589016.jpg
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
The Great White Phil D.
― pplains, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
shark dick otm
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
― pplains, Friday, February 24, 2012 9:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― goole, Friday, 24 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
(this was actually posted on a private listserv for attorneys to which i belong. oh the embarrassment oh the despair ... anyway, excuse me if this nonsense has already been posted here)
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― der Truthahn des Giftes (Eisbaer), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service
okay I am dying already
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate
I am not fully familiar with this bill but I suspect that "If" is doing an Olympic-level of heavy lifting here
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
I keep saying I'm going to drop this, but fyi the dude who runs lammebook & menshumor is the same dude who registered ghettohikes: http://www.dailydot.com/news/hater-exposing-man-behind-menshumor/
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
already covered up thread I think
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
k done. *washes hands. wanders into next month-old discussion*
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 24 February 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/cZA47.png
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 24 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
"oh my, i seem to have accidentally registered www.ghettohikes.com"
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://anglophonic-blog.tumblr.com/post/18203373377/in-their-sickest-move-yet-ghetto-hikes-owners-now-say
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
the best thing about that Tumblr is the link to Vice near the bottom
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
i look forward to the gawker expose
― omar little, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
xp my vote would be for the bondage tittays but to each his own
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
i dont want to overpromise. also it may be a lil while in coming. and may not be ghettohikes only
― max, Friday, 24 February 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4d8b4111cadcbb1e60030000-400-300/all-the-presidents-men-1976.jpg
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, February 24, 2012 4:41 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://i.imgur.com/gc4N2.jpg
― bnw, Friday, 24 February 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
somebody needs to sic the good guys on ghettohikes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/CAN6Z.jpg
served to two korean women
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
― omar little, Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
dag
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
! ...the fuck
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
you're shitting me
― goole, Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
that's racist
― steep? that's where i'm off hiking (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
o...mg
― kinder, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
i'm missing something?
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
CRF?
smh
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
It took me a second, too. Although not 9 minutes.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
\ /
― bnw, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:27 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they gave them empty iced lattes, the bastards
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
oh this is an eye thing huh
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
welcome aboard
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
jesus fuck
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
i think the design on the cups could just be a comment on how much the barista loved their eyes bc they were so dreamy, no?
― Mordy, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
LOL!!!
― dylannn, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
zing
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
omg that can't be
could it be shorthand for something else?!
Jesus
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
i highly doubt it was shorthand for something else
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
oh no you're right. It means ŋ, it/at
or maybe: Would! Date! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_shorthand
― kinder, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
― Mordy, Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:14 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ty
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
the hell is wrong with people
― horseshoe, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17emeh3u2tc8qpng/original.png
― Number None, Saturday, 25 February 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/10838623-418/coach-benched-for-whitney-houston-slur-on-facebook-page.html
i need some help w/ this one guys, is this racist??? really complicated case this one
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
What the fucking fuck.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
And of course, "I have some amazing friends who are black.”
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
“I don’t need this drama in my life. It’s going to affect me hugely, and my business,”
mega bummer
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i like how this closes out the piece, like the writer knew it was the punchline for a human joke
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
i like how he says he didn't even realize he used the word, as if that makes him less likely to appear racist
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah if the word comes out so nonchalantly that you didn't realize you said it, p much means you say it a lot.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
(granted I know he typed it but that's even more damning!)
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
where do you guys think his kids being taunted about their racist dad ranks in the worldwide scale of national tragedies? I put it a few spots ahead of the death of whitney houston
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
i actually do feel bad for those kids but i don't think tht dude getting to coach next year is really gonna change much in that regard
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like everyone is relieved that we're back to somebody saying nigger and away from korean eye caricatures on a starbucks cup and chink in the armor.
― dylannn, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
eh i think its more that this one is almost like dude was reading directly from the script -- the on-the-nose-ness of it almost makes me think it was made up, except of course that its 100% believable
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm. is this like a magic eye thing? i've been looking at that starbuccks cup for a half hour. this might be a little too abstract for our 'is this racist?' thread. wait... CRF?? kerf? is that it?
― dylannn, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
then mordy asks if maybe he meant to say nigga because he identifies with............ blah blah blah
― dylannn, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago) link
Lolwat
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
he called her a nigger because he thinks she's dreamy, okay? OKAY?
― dylannn, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
*raises confederate flag*
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
Oh you poor fucking racist.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
Can I reserve a little secondary outrage over the fact that this dumbass doesn't know the difference between a noun and an adjective?
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago) link
Kelly, who ran unsuccessfully in the 2008 Democratic primary for Cook County Recorder of Deeds, admits to posting the comment on his Facebook page.
“I made the comment,” he said. “I had a bunch of friends and cousins making comments about Whitney Houston. I’m sorry I did it. I deleted the post and then I went and apologized to [the mother] on Saturday. I apologized 100 times over. This lady is making a personal vendetta against me.”
from a version of the story that puts "racist" in quotes
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
that entire article is kind of ridic.
The mother of a former league player—who is black—copied the comment on to her own Facebook page as well as the Westside league's
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
“We’ve fought wars for the right of freedom of speech,” he continued.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
Neither Hebel nor the other board members understand the mother’s intentions, which he called a “personal issue” between Kelly and the mother.
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― pplains, Sunday, 26 February 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
I actually went back and counted the ---'s when I saw that.
― pplains, Sunday, 26 February 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
gah why do people continue to think freedom of speech means the unalienable right to say whatever you want free of criticism and/or discipline.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
"for some reason, this lady has a personal vendetta against me, I can't put my finger on what button I pushed by saying the word 'nigger'..."
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
At least I don't feel ignored anymore
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Sunday, 26 February 2012 11:27 (twelve years ago) link
also LOLing (in a "kind of lol but mostly sad" way) that he asserts that he apologized "over 100 times", but can't believe the mother is STILL ANGRY. Like he thinks the quantity of the "I'm sorry"s is more important to the, ehm, "quality" of the apology...aka not coming across as an even bigger dickhead as he tries to rationalize/apologize for his behavior.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://s8.postimage.org/dpcnx7kn7/wtf_fbook.png
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 26 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
everyone otm
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 26 February 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
do you have webmail, c?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
shit just got real
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 27 February 2012 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
what did Matt post...nothing comes up on my browser above his name.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 27 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://postimage.org/image/6m4shlf7l/
― pplains, Monday, 27 February 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
oh yea, forgot: donaldparsley at gmail dot com
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 27 February 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
jesus that just came up on facebook for me too pp
― D-40, Monday, 27 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57385762/crystal-criticized-for-blackface-at-oscars/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 27 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
Crystal not criticized for doing 4 years of blackface at Saturday Night Live
Thought Crystal was the mononym of some pop si ger I wasn't acquainted with
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 27 February 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
Alluding to the controversy last fall when Eddie Murphy bowed out of Oscar hosting duties after the show's original producer Brett Ratner exited over his use of a gay slur, "max read" wrote: "lmao remember when you were all like "billy crystal is going to be so SAFE" and then he did BLACKFACE."
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Monday, 27 February 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
lmao
― goole, Monday, 27 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
alleged
― max, Monday, 27 February 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
"max read"
― D-40, Monday, 27 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
maximum readability
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 27 February 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Awwww
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Monday, 27 February 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
was just coming to c+p that
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 February 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
"When Octavia Spencer later won Best Supporting Actress for "The Help," comedian Paul Scheer tweeted that her win "shows just how far we've come since Billy Crystal performed in Blackface."
― nickn, Monday, 27 February 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
lollll
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 27 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-traffic-stops-0226-20120223,0,793365,full.story
color me surprised
Blacks and Hispanics fared especially poorly when stopped for equipment-related violations. Among nearly 4,000 stops related to the display or use of license plates, for example, 13 percent of white motorists left with a citation, compared with 27 percent of black drivers and 36 percent of Hispanics.For more than 2,600 stops involving improper taillights, black motorists were twice as likely and Hispanics nearly four times as likely to be ticketed, compared to white drivers.
For more than 2,600 stops involving improper taillights, black motorists were twice as likely and Hispanics nearly four times as likely to be ticketed, compared to white drivers.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
ffs I broke my one sacred rule of never looking at the commentsit's really a life-enriching formula, don't follow my bad example in breaking it
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
Top Commenter · Norwich Technical High School
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not sure comments sections serve any real purpose beyond making halfway decent people feel a little miserable about fellow humans.
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
"Sharia Law will make us all equal soon enough."
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 09:37 (twelve years ago) link
what is the deal with people complaining about "Sharia law" infiltrating the U.S. court system - does Sharia law ever come up in court aside from like divorce cases??
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 09:49 (twelve years ago) link
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:44 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark
is this why you never talk to me on AIM
― beachville, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:10 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark
i was thinking air-quotes
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:35 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark
same
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 10:39 (twelve years ago) link
what is the deal with people complaining about "Sharia law" infiltrating the U.S. court system
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:49 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah on the one hand i wonder this all the time. on the other hand i think it's standard oh-god-those-brown-people-breed-like-flies panic.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
one thing thats sort of "comforting" about islamophobia/creeping sharia is that it seems to take on a pretty similar shape to anti-catholic/anti-immigrant crazes in the past. i mean its obv horrible but at least its sorta recognizable, and its past precedents point toward a decent future
― max, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i could be talking out of my ass too and i dont want to undersell anti-islamic bigotry
http://muslimrepublicans.net/
MuslimRepublicans.netWelcome to the home of Republican and Conservative Muslims all over the United States. Due to the onslaught of the liberal media, and often times our own communities, we have not been able to voice our opinions, communicate and share ideas. MuslimRepublicans.net aims to change all of that and provide a home for conservative Muslims who believe in the ideals of the Republican Party, are members of the Republican National Committee and want to work towards having more Republicans elected to office
― buzza, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that is a good point. that pattern seems to historically have been overcome by assimilating immigrant groups into "whiteness" in part through recourse to the grand american tradition of antiblack racism. for various reasons i find it hard to imagine the various american muslim ethnicities being assimilated into whiteness, but i guess it could happen in some future where muslim fundamentalist terrorism is no longer the main foreign security threat the united states faces.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
xp to max
I love how the crazy anti-sharia types mostly seem pissed because it's not the particular type of theocracy that they want to impose.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
american muslim ethnicities already are assimilated into whiteness in some parts of the country. I think the bigger issues are: a. there aren't really very many muslims in america b. they're usually clustered in a few areas
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
or is it? lot of common ground amongst christian fundies and muslim fundies.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
they want almost the exact same set of rules but they want to be able to put their label on the box
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
american muslim ethnicities already are assimilated into whiteness in some parts of the country.
no. only true of some ethnicities: mostly arab and, you know, bosnian. has not happened for south indian muslims, african muslims, african-american muslims (non-immigrants of course) etc etc etc.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
also for the purposes of talking about the current strain of anti-muslim sentiment, that muslim is racialized. it's not really about your bosnian neighbor who can pass.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
also since 9/11 i'd imagine a lot of palestinian/lebanese/syrian muslims have been re-racialized. i know the yemeni community in buffalo never achieved whiteness to begin with. there are arabs and then there are arabs.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
I tried to skim through this Islamophobic blog to see if they listed any actual examples of Sharia law being implemented in U.S. courts but nope all the stories that have to do with actual court cases are just "Court rules against conservative group lobbying against construction of a mosque in whatever community" or "Judge looks at/mentions Qu'ran during trial."
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
muslims exist! those people have a lot of babies!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
have any people who aren't technically white achieved whiteness? that's kinda hard to measure. there are certainly 3rd generation asian-americans who are culturally 98% 'white', but has society accepted them as such? etc.
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
heh
― max, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
i mean what does it mean to be 'technically' 'white'
well by 'technically white' I mean caucasian I guess, which includes arabs
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
obviously whitness here is a construct. when i say achieve whiteness in part through appeals to antiblack racism i'm talking about inclusion for irish americans, italian americans, later eastern european americans. nativist sentiment gives way to solidarity against the true threat, where blackness is imagined as irreducibly other. this is all imaginary of course; it's not like racism is coherent. or that being white means anything in this imagination other than not a threat.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
weeeeell it's not like those 19th century racial categorizations hold up rigorously
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
non-european immigrants end up unassimilable in that way, is basically what i'm saying
fyi there's no good youtube video of the Wayne Brady question from the Chapelle "Negrodamus" sketch
xposts
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
don't think asian americans are viewed by white people as white
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
they need more tumblrs
― buzza, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
people from North India and Pakistan are Aryans (can't get more white than that, at least if you're Hitler). not that that makes much difference to yer average redneck.
― der Truthahn des Giftes (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Sharia vs. Santorum-approved theocracy seems like narcissism of small differences to me but sounds like total end of the world hysteria to our local zealots. "We're cool with the subjugation of women but God forbid they have to cover their hair, that's insanity!".
― joygoat, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think non-european immigrants end up unassimilable tho! every time I hang out at the queens mall I gawk in amazement at how people from every country in the world can turn into the same annoying american teenagers.
there is def a 'whiteness' and a 'white-ness' and maybe the first can eventually exist outside of the second, but I think it's simplifying things to say that, idk, some jewish or italian guy who could pass as a wasp due to the way he looks isn't different from someone who never, ever will be able to 'pass as a wasp'.
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
come on guys, whiteness in america means "absence of race." nobody gives a fuck that my kashmiri peasant relatives are "Aryan" according to some defunct wack racial typology
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
i do
― max, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
i kinda miss the days when theocracy was anathema to American Catholics across the board ... b/c of the shit that JFK had to go through, plus a general sense of self-preservation (even now, this country is still largely Protestant and an American theocracy would most likely be a Protestant Evangelical one).
― der Truthahn des Giftes (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
i don't mean unassimilated culturally! the swarthy hairy/hijab-ed yemenis on the corner are assimilated culturally! i mean assimilated as white. at some point cartoons of irish americans made them look like apes. eventually that stopped happening, because there were other people to caricature as apes.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, even now Tim Tebow is more likely to be the First American Ayatollah than Rick Santorum (however Santorum may pander to the evangelicals).
― der Truthahn des Giftes (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Tim Tebow? no.
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
"We're cool with the subjugation of women but God forbid they have to cover their hair, that's insanity!".
― joygoat, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:46 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the selective appearance of feminism in conservative rhetoric whenever islam comes into view is seriously the most annoying thing
― goole, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
again I think there are certain limitations to 'assimilated as white' that come inherent w/ the way people look.
like I'm half arab-jewish and am a bit darker than 'average white person' and my dad is quite certainly 'not white'. but I pass as white. mostly.
and if my dad were from africa, that would not be the case.
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I'd rather have the Catholic theocracy than the Protestant as there would be a higher probability of having booze around, though either would still allow for ham on Easter.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
it's second-most annoying behind selectively quoting passages from the Qu'ran without textual or cultural context
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
again I think there are certain limitations to 'assimilated as white' that come inherent w/ the way people look. yeah, sure. i think you're wrong, though, that that's all it's about when it comes to say, asian americans. there's a whole unstable incoherent mythology that comes into play.
for the way this has worked historically see walter benn michaels article "the difference between white men and white men."
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think that's all it's about! I just think it's not something you can completely discount.
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
you have no idea if this is true or not
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
and in the case of the yemenis on the corner these days, it's less about their skin color (some of them look "white," some don't) than about the fact that the women are wearing headscarves.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
well yeah, it depends and 'passing as white' would not be unrelated to the actual darkness of my skin.
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
i pass pretty easily as white
― max, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
I AM DESCENDED FROM THE FIRST WHITE WOMAN BORN IN NORTH AMERICA
THE FIRST
WHITE
WOMAN
― max, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:38 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
PM me if u want an autograph
― max, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
i working on a book, Whites: an Anatomy that's going to clear all this up, fyi.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
please show me an example of "passing as white" that is unrelated to the actual darkness of the person's skin
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
no he's agreeing with you about that
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
all i'm saying is that there's a non-empirical component to the imagination of whiteness
okay maybe I should get lunch because I don't understand the point iatee is attempting to make at all
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
and that in america "whiteness" is imagined against blackness, basically. which affects the history of how non-african/non-african american groups get racialized.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Dan, i think he was arguing against my cultural studies-ish take on race, that there is something real and observable about people's perceptions of race.
which is true, but people like to think of it as stabler and more empirical than it is.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:43 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is true - couldn't tell you how many times I've been asked "oh, so when did you move to america?" ffs I was born here.
although you'd have to ask a third or fourth gen AA to be sure. wonder what stories gary locke has to tell
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I guess it's a natural question to ask when you own up to the fact that you have never watched an episode of dawson's creek in your life
yeah I think it's different in california actually, like I have been in groups that included asian people and the group was referred to as 'white people'
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
haha i put that a lot more mildly than i meant it. i have been told by white people that they don't even think of me as not being white before and i always think, you're lying.
xxp
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like what they mean is "i don't group you in my mind with scary blacks and latinos" which is NOT THE SAME THING
lmao there is nothing funnier than white people fronting like they are not constantly thinking about race
― max, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Whiteness is not imagined against blackness explicitly; whiteness is imagined against "non-whiteness", which usually defaults to "the darkest person in the neighborhood whom I'm not used to seeing around all of the time".
xp: those last two horseshoe posts OTM
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
"I don't even think of you as non-white!" is such dumb, loaded, offensive bullshit
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah horseshoe is killing it itt
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i should have said that more precisely. whiteness v blackness is historically freighted in the american context.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
i have a lot of thoughts, guys. and a lot of coffee.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
plus my "someone is talking about muslims on ilx" alarm went off
where's louis when you need him
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
"I don't see people as color, just in images of black and white."
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
circling closer to what i mean, i feel like anti-black racist ideology necessitated the birth of "whiteness" in america.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
at the same time there also is a (multiple) 'white culture'(s) which 'whiteness' is tied to (and the aforementioned literal 'white-ness')
basically this is a subject for which we need more words
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
I said something inadvertently racist yesterday and I felt bad about it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
but it is always going to be difficult to be precise about whiteness as long as it's both an observable reality about a person's, i don't know, "phenotype" and an imaginary category of racelessness deployed in racist ideology.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but all those multiple white cultures get collapsed into one when posited against 'non-whiteness' xp
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
I could post a dozen face-palms that I've pulled on myself in the past month.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
is anyone talking about this subject now itt "white"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
haha sorry
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
so obsessed with whites!
tell your story, please
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm scared 2
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
guys this is nice and all but i don't "see race"
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:40 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i say a lot of racist things, so theoretically i could keep you company, but i immediately block them out so as to keep up my busy schedule of self-righteousness :/
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
A person only has much time.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm racist btw"
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
by and large the only people who are black in the few block radius surrounding my apt building are the pimps who stand outside, they moved in about a year ago after all the salvadorian pimps suddenly disappeared, and I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in my building and was all "holy shit did you hear those pimps screaming at each other earlier" and he was like "nah dude it was just this black couple outside having a fight or something"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
you…. monster.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
Bet I can beat it.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
I dedicate the turn this thread is about to take to horseshoe
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
guys? let's not do this.
guys?
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
rolling "I am Racist" thread
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
cool stories, bros, but...
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah no I know
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
So I'm at the county fair and they're having this barbecue eating contest...
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
ah fuck
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
No, I'm kidding. My county doesn't have a fair.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
can we talk about the time my father was running for re-election as school board president and he got anonymous phone calls from people disagreeing with his policies and telling him he was a "stupid mick"
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
sure
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
were they at least well thought out disagreements
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
there were multiple calls from various people. not insulting as much as a *~~wee bit~~* scary.
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
i have been told by white people that they don't even think of me as not being white before and i always think, you're lying.
...i feel like what they mean is "i don't group you in my mind with scary blacks and latinos" which is NOT THE SAME THING
― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
nothing to contribute, just horseshoe otm. perceived difference is definitely a sliding scale.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0W2Qlmnjm8
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
must admit, that's the first thing I've seen that makes the help look like it's conceivably watchable
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think i ever mentioned this but when i was at rock the bells last year, i found a hardback copy of "the help" (minus the dustjacket but otherwise in perfect condition) lying on the ground in the middle of a field. I mailed it to my mother.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:51 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
real talk
also horseshoe is p much always otm
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
the way they stand up for gay rights in the same context is similarly touching
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
mostly tho the bizarreness is because of the conflation of neoconservatism with social conservatism in the Republican party, right?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
the (un?)intended implication of the sum of those arguments is that the modern west has arrived at something close to the exactly perfect status of women. feminism too hot, islam too cold, women voting and driving but making 70c on a man's dollar, just right.
― goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
well we also had the exactly perfect status of women 50 years ago or 20 years ago. and, assuming things trend in positive directions, we will 20 years from now.
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
I mean 'protecting the present' is just an inherent part of conservativism, ya know
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
both of you otm
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEi5Dpq6zs
Should note this is part of a full show dealing with bigotry, which I haven't seen, and ymmv with the 'jokes'/character on display here but it makes a similar point to some of the above discussion, might be worth a watch.
― kinder, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
One time I accidentally did a very racist stand-up comedy karaoke bit.
I was at karaoke w/ pretty much the whole ChiLX crew (La Lechera, Jenny, Jeff, jaymc, Eazy, et al.). I don't sing at karaoke, but I saw that they had a bunch of stand up comedy tracks and I selected "Celebrity Humor."
When my turn came I was confused b/c the jokes were about race. I was confused and also horrified because it never occurred to me that I could stop what was happening and I couldn't believe that I "had to" do this bit.
Most of the jokes were relatively mild - e.g., the Irish sure have a lot of kids, Italians sure are Catholic - but some were worse (Chinese couple's misunderstanding re "69" being a sex act/General Tso's Chicken).
I interrupted myself a couple times to say "Holy shit! This is terrible!" and finally when it was almost over, it dawned on me that the show didn't have to go on. I think I announced the mix-up and tried to erase my performance with babbling.
Then I went back to the bar and chugged a bottle of beer, which turned out to not to be the one I had been drinking, but one the stranger standing next to me had set down for a second.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
The karaoke operator apologized like crazy and bought me a drink. He said he didn't even know that he had any joke tracks, which is plausible since they were a small section and not something anyone would choose on purpose - stuff like mother-in-law jokes, sports jokes, and "Jewish humor".
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:54 (twelve years ago) link
most non-racists sing songs at karaoke
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Deutschland Uber Alles" wasn't on the list, Je55e? :)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 06:07 (twelve years ago) link
really want to try racist comedy karaoke
― dylannn, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
saw richard herring's hitler mustache show live a few years back and trust me, its not racist and he's not racist.
― face depalma (stevie), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 07:49 (twelve years ago) link
How on earth... WHY on earth, does standup comedy karaoke exist? like... do you mime it? Read from a cuecard? It sounds nuts.
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 07:50 (twelve years ago) link
guessing you guys don't share in the hypstr luv for Don Rickles
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 12:48 (twelve years ago) link
Those comedy tracks were in the dusty chest in the attic of the karaoke menu. They were on pages tucked into the pocket of the binder. It was like they were an ancient trap set by Nathan Bedford Forrest's ghost, meant to touch off the great race war.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/8MwrB.jpg
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
just two white guys starting a hip new noodle bar
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://roundeyenoodle.com/
Roundeye Noodle is a hip noodle spot run by two guys from the suburbs. The menu will feature inventive spins on classic noodle dishes like pho, ramen and soba, enhanced by local ingredients.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link
"guys from the suburbs"
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
I bet these guys have referred to black people as "urban" before
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
"guys from the urbs"
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
I'm now imagining myself opening up a restaurant called Darkie's Scandinavian Cuisine
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
reminds me of the second worst burrito i have ever had, served at a place called "three gringos cantina."
the worst burrito i ever had was in iceland, for the record.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
hákarl burrito?
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:58 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well there's probably plenty of latin scandinavian quisine around here if you get me
― goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I know, I posted it because it was making comments about all non-whites being the same kinda similar to some of yesterday's posts. Wouldn't mind seeing the whole show, is it worth getting the dvd?
― kinder, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
Seigwailo Noodle would have been marginally more clever
― pareilles à celles auxquelles l'étiquette de la cour assujettit (Michael White), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
It's good at what it does - it's a show about (amongst other things) racism, by a white guy in a toothbrush moustache, to an audience he is addressing as all-white. If you liked that, this is good at that. The joke in the clip is probably the best thing in it - but then I love the joke in the clip a lot (but haven't ever told it to anyone).
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there is a really great book called
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31fK7QAqgbL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
which is a v illuminating read on this idea
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
*clicks repeatedly*
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwxRF9J4eow
― symsymsym, Thursday, 1 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
judging by the last 10 seconds, pedophilia is also present...
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 1 March 2012 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
less racist and more wtf stupid, tbh.
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Thursday, 1 March 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
it's obviously just a white guy in a wig
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 1 March 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
This ad says to me: "Ha ha! Not only are we pig-ignorant of history, but we are positive you're just as pig-ignorant as we are. So how about we make shit up. We're betting you don't care and we sure as fuck don't."
― Aimless, Thursday, 1 March 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
The ad says to me "The emperor of the Mongol empire apparently looked like Michael Keaton and had bad taste in interior decorating".
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link
Also that food looks p gross.
― Lindsay NAGL (Trayce), Thursday, 1 March 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
I was fascinated b Mongolian BBQ when I was younger, eventually came to realize that it is pretty much just a disappointment cooked in lots of oil.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Thursday, 1 March 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
One of those things where the concept is better than the reality, like going to Fogo de Chao or something.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Thursday, 1 March 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
i'm going to open a restaurant called Mussolini's
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 1 March 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
tonight's special: headkick
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 March 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
there needs to be a moratorium on the comedy asian gong
― symsymsym, Thursday, 1 March 2012 06:08 (twelve years ago) link
new issue of the Phillipines version of FHM
http://files.dailycontributor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/bella_padilla_racist_fhm_philippines_cover_march_2012.jpg
― Sylv_ebanks (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 1 March 2012 09:49 (twelve years ago) link
lord
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 1 March 2012 10:37 (twelve years ago) link
hah I didn't even notice the comedy gong
yikes @ fhm phillipines
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:04 (twelve years ago) link
Is that racist?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:11 (twelve years ago) link
Oops, sorry I didn't notice the women standing behind her I must have been distracted LOL
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
"stepping out of the shadows" jesus
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
Yup, that's racist
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, March 1, 2012 5:22 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
<3 <3 <3 4ever
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
These guys just literally cannot help themselves. I'm beginning to believe there's a racism gene that cannot be resisted. Note all the standard signifiers: I'm not a racist, I apologize if anyone was offended, this wasn't meant to be public, etc., etc. Extra lols, however, for the judge's deer-in-headlights head shot, which appears to be what he uses professionally.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-montana-judge-admits-sending-racist-email-about-obama-20120229,0,2617317.story
Montana’s chief federal judge Wednesday admitted forwarding an email to friends about President Obama that appears to equate African Americans with dogs and raises questions about the president’s mixed racial ancestry.“Normally I don’t send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. I want all of my friends to feel what I felt when I read this. Hope it touches your heart like it did mine,” Chief U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull wrote before forwarding the email, a copy of which was obtained by the Los Angeles Times.The email was sent from the judge’s court email account and immediately ignited a firestorm in Montana, where there were calls on social media sites for his resignation. . . . Cebull, who has been Montana’s chief federal judge in Billings since 2008, was appointed to the bench by former President George W. Bush and took his seat in 2001. He is a graduate of the University of Montana School of Law and a former tribal court judge.The Great Falls Tribune, which initially obtained the email and interviewed Cebull about it, said the judge conceded the content was racist but insisted he had forwarded it to six “old buddies” and acquaintances because he doesn’t like Obama. He said he doesn’t consider himself a racist.“It was not intended by me in any way to become public,” Cebull told the Tribune. “I apologize to anybody who is offended by it, and I can obviously understand why people would be offended.”In the email, a boy asks his mother why he is black and she is white. “His mother replied, 'Don’t even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you’re lucky you don’t bark!' "“The only reason I can explain to you is I am not a fan of our president, but this goes beyond not being a fan,” Cebull told the Tribune. “I didn’t send it as a racist, although that’s what it is. I sent it out because it’s anti-Obama.”
“Normally I don’t send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. I want all of my friends to feel what I felt when I read this. Hope it touches your heart like it did mine,” Chief U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull wrote before forwarding the email, a copy of which was obtained by the Los Angeles Times.
The email was sent from the judge’s court email account and immediately ignited a firestorm in Montana, where there were calls on social media sites for his resignation.
. . . Cebull, who has been Montana’s chief federal judge in Billings since 2008, was appointed to the bench by former President George W. Bush and took his seat in 2001. He is a graduate of the University of Montana School of Law and a former tribal court judge.
The Great Falls Tribune, which initially obtained the email and interviewed Cebull about it, said the judge conceded the content was racist but insisted he had forwarded it to six “old buddies” and acquaintances because he doesn’t like Obama. He said he doesn’t consider himself a racist.
“It was not intended by me in any way to become public,” Cebull told the Tribune. “I apologize to anybody who is offended by it, and I can obviously understand why people would be offended.”
In the email, a boy asks his mother why he is black and she is white. “His mother replied, 'Don’t even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you’re lucky you don’t bark!' "
“The only reason I can explain to you is I am not a fan of our president, but this goes beyond not being a fan,” Cebull told the Tribune. “I didn’t send it as a racist, although that’s what it is. I sent it out because it’s anti-Obama.”
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-02/68481739.jpg
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
Cebull said he was “surprised” it had been passed along with his name attached to it, the newspaper said.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
If we could have avis here, that picture would be mine.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
“I didn’t send it as a racist, although that’s what it is. I sent it out because it’s anti-Obama.”
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
unbelievable
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
by which I mean all to believable and super disheartening
Are there any racists who would identify themselves as racists anymore?
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
i mean 'miscegenation is bestiality' is a particularly disgusting and virulent racist metaphor, but hey, you just don't like the president, that's all, so it's just a bit of a chuckle, right? heh heh
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:35 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah that's the thing. i feel like there are even klansmen at this point who are all "woah woah i'm not a racist, i believe in the SEPARATION of races, not the superiority of one race over another"
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
damn shame how racism just isn't cool these daysmaybe WE are the prejudiced ones, makes u think
― drop these whiners on a island (Surviver style) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
i have been to a genghis grill on more than one occasion for lunch and it is just never good
the trick is since you picked all the shit out yourself you just end up blaming yourself if you don't like it
― goole, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
Is that the place where they just give you a plastic bowl and tell you to go wild?
― pplains, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
the bowls are in fact metal but yes
― goole, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
its p mesmerizing to see dudes slapping half a dozen piles of food around with sticks.
― goole, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
came here to see if the content of the e-mail had been posted. ILX does not disappoint
― be scientific, douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
I just can't get enough of this.
― Flagpost Sitta (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
He actually looks as if he's thinking, "Is this racist?"
alternately: "I just thought it was funny, y'know?"
― be scientific, douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
I remembered it with thick plastic bowls that had been scarred from thousands of fork tines hitting and scraping the insides of them. (Materials may vary according to location?)
It was weird. I'm so used to seeing such proud buffet patrons piling and piling slop upon their plates, and here they were, filling their bowls like some monks do in the mornings before their fast. Except in this case, they likely didn't stop eating at noon and even more likely, went next door to the CiCi's Pizza Buffet when they were done with Ghengis & Co.
― pplains, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
it's cool how federal judges are, you know, appointed for life
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
"Can't a guy compare miscegenation with bestiality without taking a ration of shit over it anymore? What happened to this country?"
― Flagpost Sitta (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
Couldn't any person of a mixed-race heritage appeal to have his trial moved if he happens to get that judge? Like, "I'd rather not since there has been evidence that the judge feels I'm sub-human."
― pplains, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Perhaps this was me as I just typed that post.
― pplains, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
It's hard to imagine a more facepalm-inducing job than being the director of something like the Montana human rights network.
― joygoat, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
The judge is not required to like the President but what comic insight is there in insinuating that Obama was conceived in a gangbang that included bestiality? I agree this is racist but even worse, if possible, is the fact-free conflation of a romance that led to marriage with dog fucking w/o any reference to anything about the President's character, policies, connections, etc... It's not only visiting the (completely non-existent) sins of the mother, a gross and unwarranted calumny, on the child but also calling a dog (equally non-existent) a bad name to kick it.
― pareilles à celles auxquelles l'étiquette de la cour assujettit (Michael White), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Aren't judges supposed to have a modicum judgment?
― Aimless, Thursday, 1 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
^of judgement
https://p.twimg.com/Am7M8JACQAE5TAs.jpg
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Thursday, 1 March 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
FTM magazine, presented by florence & the machine
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/SYiqG.jpg
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 2 March 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
i did not know there were mexican uncle toms
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 3 March 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
house asians
― be scientific, douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 3 March 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
it's pretty unfortunate that the "hard work = success!" line of rhetoric is firmly on the republican party's side
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 3 March 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
I also don't understand why according to the chart a non white person who doesn't like him is an Uncle Tom but a non white person who liked him but doesn't like him anymore, or who likes him but isn't voting for him, is racist.
― MrDasher, Saturday, 3 March 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
because its more idiotic than it is racist (and its p racist)
― face depalma (stevie), Saturday, 3 March 2012 09:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, plus the chart pretty much ignores the fact that there has been a lot of genuine racism, both blatant and thinly veiled, in the criticism of Obama.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 3 March 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the bitter brew of fear, ignorance and anger that generates such stuff. Somewhere in that person's mind is the idea that white racism has been used as a cudgel to beat him with, unfairly, and the twin sources of that beating (blacks and liberals) are personified in Obama, who now stands at the apex of his white oppression.
I still live in hope that some day Americans will figure out how class operates.
― Aimless, Saturday, 3 March 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
i did not know there were mexican uncle toms― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, March 2, 2012 7:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, March 2, 2012 7:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You for real have never heard of Tio Taco?
― beachville, Saturday, 3 March 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
daaaaaaaaaaaamn
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 3 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
Rosanna Pulido is our local Mexican Uncle Tom. She is of Mexican descent and she was the director of the Illinois Minutemen. She has said some pretty racist and outrageous stuff about "illegals" (and about Muslims and others).
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Such as: I lived in Mexico for a year as a missionary. I was ripped off the worst by the Bible students. It is so cultural to rip people off they do not see that it is wrong. It’s culture. and The TRUTH is, Obama will legalize 12-20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, and THUS SELL THE BLACKS, His own Race BACK into slavery!
The Illegals coming over pretty much hate African Americans.
He is going to unleash REAL racism upon his own people as they fight for jobs with the illegal aliens.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
Well the whole point of the chart is to downplay or deny completely actual racism in criticism of Obama and to claim the accusation of racism is just used to deflect/dismiss all criticism of him. But within that guideline I still don't get its "logic"-I know, there's no sense in trying. I suppose non white people who don't like Obama are largely besides the point of the chart, thus little effort has been directed towards their place in it.
― MrDasher, Sunday, 4 March 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
Again, we have found a completely racist and illogical piece of internet hate art, stuck it up on the wall here, and now we all stand around it, stroking our beards and offering our analysis.
― pplains, Sunday, 4 March 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
Here, how about a twofer and you all can chew on whether "Is This Racist" for awhile.
http://www.twincitiesdiningguide.com/images/Hooters-Girls.jpg
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/163/950/HootersRacist.gif
― pplains, Sunday, 4 March 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
Why is the second one photoshopped to make the black woman disappear into the background? Is that the racist part?
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Sunday, 4 March 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it's an ironic gif compression artifact.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Sunday, 4 March 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
this thread is not for you to post racist jpegs/gifs your friends post on facebook, even if you do work up a good froth of fake "outrage"
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 4 March 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
What I'm sayin'.
― pplains, Sunday, 4 March 2012 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
also, found some hooter girls.
― pplains, Sunday, 4 March 2012 06:24 (twelve years ago) link
You for real have never heard of Tio Taco?― beachville, Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― beachville, Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
come to think i have, its just been a long-ass time
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 4 March 2012 06:52 (twelve years ago) link
oicpp
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 4 March 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
Good for a laugh!A professor at Auburn University was giving a lecture on Paranormal Studies.
To get a feel for his audience, he asks, 'How many people here believe in ghosts?'
About 90 students raise their hands.
Well, that's a good start. Out of those who believe in ghosts, do any of you think you have seen a ghost?'
About 40 students raise their hands.
That's really good. I'm really glad you take this seriously. Has anyone here ever talked to a ghost?'
About 15 students raise their hand.
Has anyone here ever touched a ghost?'
Three students raise their hands.
That's fantastic. Now let me ask you one question further...Have any of you ever made love to a ghost?'
Way in the back, Ahmed raises his hand.
The professor takes off his glasses and says 'Son, all the years I've been giving this lecture, no one has ever claimed to have made love to a ghost. You've got to come up here and tell us about your experience.'
The Middle Eastern muslim student replied with a nod and a grin, and began to make his way up to the podium.
When he reached the front of the room, the professor asks, 'So, Ahmed, tell us what it's like to have sex with a ghost?'
Ahmed replied, "Shit, from way back there I thought you said Goats."
dear grandma,
even though we're not muslim, you shouldn't forward this around.
your loving grandson,
― the late great, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
(my grandma and i are both Middle Eastern)
― the late great, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
oh lord
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
what a horribly formed "joke"!
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
this lady moved to america from iran in the sixties to do graduate work in psychology, studied at BYU, university of minnesota and university of madison wisconsin, where she had roommates who had never met a jew and actually thought jewish people had horns. then she moved to san diego where she did family therapy for sailors and marines.
50 years later and she's a fully assimilated redneck. gotta love america!
― the late great, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
i just chalk it up to some sort of long-term stockholm syndrome, c.f. everyone over 40 in my family strongly in favor of military action against iran
― the late great, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Sheesh! What crap. Everyone knows that real sheep fuxors don't attend lectures on the paranormal.
― Aimless, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
well that and i guess (excepting the middle of the shah's rule) it was no picnic to grow up and live as a non-muslim in iran
― the late great, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i'm going to change "ahmed" to "caleb" and "middle eastern" to "from utah" and pass it along
― the late great, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
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The jokes about Arkansas we pass in private amongst ourselves down here, why it's downright... incestuous.
― pplains, Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
WHO is this professor with so strong an interest in ghost fucking? former ILX poster andi?
― cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Sunday, 4 March 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
are there really accredited colleges with paranormal studies classes
"studies"
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
Miskatonic U
― cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
Hauntology
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
Ethics of Demon Possession
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
No you see "Goats" is the name of my dog wait.
― pplains, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 5, 2012 12:56 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loll
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
Disney's Dipping Sticks: Sleeping Beauty Vanilla and Tiana Watermelon
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/disney-stereotyping.jpg
― Ghost Oral (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
fucking disney
― Mordy, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
okay lol
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://plus4chan.org/b/mtv/src/132528982893.jpg
― Flagpost Sitta (Phil D.), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
I am cracking up just as hard at Sleeping Beauty vanilla
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
Realizing the error of their ways, the canny and racially sensitive Disney Corporation scrambles to replace the current vanilla and watermelon flavors with Wonder Bread and fried chicken.
― Ghost Oral (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
they're going to replace "vanilla" with "default"
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
many xps - Abbott you know very well I would stop any class to hear a story about a sexual encounter with a ghost.
― Smith... Frobisher Smith. (Viceroy), Monday, 5 March 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
BIAMNAP...
you'd think they could have done some sort of 'green' flavor for tiana... like, she turns into a frog? there was an easy way around this choice, is all i mean
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 5 March 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
WHO is this professor with so strong an interest in ghost fucking?
That's one of the many reasons this joke is so dumb and doesn't work.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 5 March 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Dig 'n Dips
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 5 March 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm with elmo -- dunno why they didn't go with flies or algae flavor
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 March 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
original first line of the Spongebob Squarepants theme song
― Ghost Oral (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 5 March 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, March 5, 2012 9:43 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
They're just going to call it "skin".
― pplains, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://notnewyorkdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/flesh.jpg?w=500
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
there's a great bloom county about that
― goole, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
tho iirc it was about band-aids and not crayons? could be wrong
― goole, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
i occasionally wonder what affect it has had on my brain that bloom county was my favoritest comic strip for a good couple years ~10-11yo (i read Classics of Western Literature maybe x10000)
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
xp - it was bandaids iirc
hahahah you guys, if Disney release skin-flavored candy my desire to catalog terrible marketing decisions will forcibly compel me to buy a shitload of it
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web05/2011/4/8/17/this-is-from-bloom-county-in-the-mid-80s-i-24709-1302297398-34.jpg
― max, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
note the band-aid
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 5 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
'prussian blue' has taken on a whole new lol connotation since that comic was written
― some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
'flesh' crayon was changed to 'peach' in 1963
apparently the comic was kind of controversial!
http://articles.mcall.com/1989-03-15/business/2672833_1_binney-smith-crayola-crayon
― goole, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Is there an online archive for Bloom County? I'd pay a fee to have access to the entire run, just to be able to post relevant toons.
Also, I wish Pareene use would use this one when needed:
http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/bloom_county_milo_reporter.jpg?w=245&h=323
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 5 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
Also, I wish Pareene would use this one when needed:
Dammit.
"snow white vanilla and princess tiana chocolate? THAT'S RACIST!"
"you're right, we better change it to an inoffensive fruit flavor"
― the late great, Monday, 5 March 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuWbVw-zWQg
British TV still running this in 2012.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Monday, 5 March 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://oneneatthingaday.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/barack-obama-and-bloom-county.jpg
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 5 March 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Binkley's hair
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 5 March 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
I like how his dad's hand claws up in the last panel
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 5 March 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Is there a Bloom County thread we can bump?
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Monday, 5 March 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
― Totes le Héros (contenderizer), Monday, 5 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Christ, how did I forget about Loco Toledo?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 March 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
this shit is old, but there's so much of it and it's just showing off the worst in everyone: http://hungergamestweets.tumblr.com/
never read the books but it seems like it's at least ambiguous if not pretty clear that the characters are black. and if they weren't? people still shouldn't complain, seeing as whitewashing happens fifty times more often.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0c6shyQZu1rqcceqo1_400.png(talking about lenny kravitz)
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
this was covered upthread:
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― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
sorry that's kind of unreadable. there were hilarious/depressing images of tweets about the casting that am0n had posted that are missing there.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
the rue character is black in the book, the cinna character is not recognizably raced, but if people are going to complain about a black actor being cast as cinna they should probably not misidentify lenny kravitz as a rapper. also they should stop sucking.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
kids these days are bombarded with negative media depictions of rappers like this:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/images/izod-center-lil-wayne-live2.jpg
I can understand them calling Lenny Kravitz a rapper how would they know the difference, we need to educate ;_;
― I DIED, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
#DEWEEZY
― drop these whiners on a island (Surviver style) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
oh hey that's likely not made the rounds yet but mountain dew and lil wayne are teaming up on an ad campaign pimping the awesome #DEWEEZY hastag and i'm serious and it's not racist but maybe we could pretend it was?i sometimes wish someone would tell lil wayne that he's won already and it's time to start over
― drop these whiners on a island (Surviver style) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.laowaicomics.com/10.html
i like to learn about cultural differences so i find it too bad that this comic is so clumsy and douchey. for most of the pages i would have been tempted to call it divisive instead of racist but then there is shit like the " member of lao tourist industry".http://www.laowaicomics.com/07.html nobody dropped the "r" word on the reddit thread so farhttp://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/qjoru/this_is_it_my_very_own_webcomic_about_life_in/a couple of guys said they felt uncomfortable... discus?
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
racist and also horrible drawing
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol oh no doubt the quality of the drawing+presentation is bad, would not click again except to mine for more "is this racist" thread material.
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
seems p racist to me!
merging our 'is this racist' and 'hey look at this shitty webcomic' threads would be a sad endless downward spiral tho i think
― goole, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
worst thing about those comics is that they're so criminally unfunny
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
You guys would have such fun on the batshit rightwing cartoons thread
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
i'm cutting down on my US political news in general, i think on the long run it will get beneficial for my health. i have enough on my plate already with harper and charest, quebecor, desmarais &cie
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism
― flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
my miniature dachshund barks like a madman at any dog he sees. once he gets face-to-face with another dog he warms up to them after a minute or two of acting like a tough guy.
when he sees other dachshunds, he doesn't bark at all. in fact, he acts like he's known the other dachshunds forever, even if they just met.
IS MY DOG RACIST?
― the late great, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
is your dog exerting power/influence over these other dogs?
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he misrecognizes himself as a giant quadropedal caterpillar rather than a dog
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
are his wife and some of his best friends shar peis?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
has he ever tried to hump a shiba inu? and totally not in a fetishy way?
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/disgrasian/racist-halloween-costumes_b_330853.html
^^ racist halloween costumes for dogs
― the late great, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
sorry if reposted elsewhere
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wocG2evroyQ/SuCp98Y1hdI/AAAAAAAAKF8/Gp26-XmSnL4/s1600-h/futurememories_2073_276562741%29.jpg
― the late great, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
pup shalom wiener dog!
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
^ so cute!
<3 "Big Daddy Pimp Dog"
― the late great, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Pup Shalom Dog Costume!
― Pup Shalom Dog Costume (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
that comic would be more interesting if he would not just show from a distance chinese ppl acting differently than westerners but make an effort to explain their point of view; if he doesn't know then he would have to stick his neck out and talk to them i guess.
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
Have we done this?
http://colorlines.com/archival_images/mcd-stop-frisk-form.jpg
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
I would like to think that I don't understand that form but I am fearing that I do
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yes aaaand yes (it is a hoax though)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
well, more than a hoax; it's a satirical protest of NYPD's racial profiling
in context, I don't think this is racist
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
Well yeah! This just seemed like a good thread to stick it on
Off-topic but it's kind of eerie how Milo Bloom's hair has become the default "cool guy's haircut" you see in London for the past, oh, year and a half. It's like the barbers studied the strips.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
But sort of back on topic, one of my colleagues (who is black) told me last week that her son's school requires him to keep his hair at least two inches long???!!! Like, there's a school rule about it. And of course her son HATES this with a burning white-hot hate because hair that long is..... not exactly in among the London yoot
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
So, er, multiple "default cool guy" styles I guess
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
omg, is that an anti-skinhead rule?
lololololololololol
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
oof, googling '365black' gets you to some ugly places quick.
― goole, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
ha I googled "mcdonald's frisk form" to be safe
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
business insider writes it up:
erry Malloy, the author of the "Three Strikes, You're In!" press release, told Business Insider that the parody initiative was launched to draw attention to the Stop-and-Frisk program and the innocent people that it targets. According to him, the parody turns the Stop-and-Frisk program "into a game with a delightful prize."
http://www.businessinsider.com/365black-mcdonalds-nypd-frisking-3-strikes-youre-in-2012-3
the website itself has gone cryptic
http://www.threestrikesyourein.org/
― goole, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah apparently white nationalist bloggers like mcdonald's' marketing to the black community even less than black people on the internet do, funny how that works
― goole, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Hahaha Dan that did not occur to me but it very well could be! DELICIOUS, THE IRONING IS
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
ironically racist school codes apparently turn me into Yoda
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
id guess its a prep school pleb-phobe thing?
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
or can state schools make inane rules too idk
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
He doesn't go to prep school, so it's not that
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
no irish, no faux-hawks, no dogs
― goole, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
if yr childs hair is less than 2" long then it means u are currently glassing a suspected nonce in an estate pub
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
racist against nonces
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
camel jockeys on your shorts - is it racist?
― the late great, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
every time this thread pops up, i think "yes"
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 06:46 (twelve years ago) link
those shorts aren't racist - they're excellent!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
^ advertising slogan?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think they're racist per se but maybe, uh, orientalist? is orientalism a type of racism?
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
those aren't 'jockey shorts' tho, are they? is it some kind of visual pun
(fyi i just googled jockey and apparently tim tebow is their spokesobject heh)
― goole, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
is orientalism a type of racism?
edward said certainly thought so
― face depalma (stevie), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
bam
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Those boxer shorts just have a bunch of old clip art of camels, from the nineteenth century, judging from the style, and the great majority of the camels are riderless, although I did see one camel that had a rider in a burnoose, which seems more of an accidental artifact of the clip art source than the main point of the design. The artist who designed them probably had nothing more in mind than 'camels look cool' and 'this clip art is free' and 'maybe people will buy these'.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i don't really get what is even orientalism about these shorts unless you believe ppl riding camels on shorts are always an example of orientalism? i get that maybe part of their appeal rests of the exoticism of, say, camels over horses. tho there are plenty of shorts with horses on them.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
there are also ~pyramids~ and ~the sphinx~
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
egypt, man.
http://images.travelpod.com/users/elizabetharps/1.1267376424.walk-like-an-egyptian.jpg
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
They do the sand dance don't you know
― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
― face depalma (stevie), Wednesday, March 7, 2012 9:06 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i believe he even said so.
― Your Ample Girth Does Intimidate (Matt P), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
right said ed
― buzza, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://yoisthisracist.com/
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
been around for a while, dude's already got a writing gig at grantland
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 8 March 2012 07:26 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2B_yI8jrI
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:49 (twelve years ago) link
€50 says that's a German ad agency.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 8 March 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
What the fuck was that??
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
"I am gonna SUBJUGATE. BILL."
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
Let's look and see how a news article on how listening to white people music makes you racist negates itself in just three paragraphs!
A new study undertaken by the University of Minnesota has suggested that listening to mainstream rock music can make people 'racist'.Researchers played a host of different music genres to 138 students for seven minutes. The students were then told they were part of a study to work out how funds should be distributed within their college. Then they were offered a range of different ethnic groups to divide the money between, reports the Daily Mail.Apparently, after listening to mainstream rock music like Bruce Springsteen, the white students favoured other white students in regards to sharing college funds, over black and Latino students. Meanwhile, the white students who had listened to more ethnically diverse pop, including Akon and Gwen Stefani, were fairer towards other ethnic groups.
Researchers played a host of different music genres to 138 students for seven minutes. The students were then told they were part of a study to work out how funds should be distributed within their college. Then they were offered a range of different ethnic groups to divide the money between, reports the Daily Mail.
Apparently, after listening to mainstream rock music like Bruce Springsteen, the white students favoured other white students in regards to sharing college funds, over black and Latino students. Meanwhile, the white students who had listened to more ethnically diverse pop, including Akon and Gwen Stefani, were fairer towards other ethnic groups.
― the Hilary Clinton of Ghostface Killahs (Phil D.), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
in fairness, in MN Gwen Stefani would be considered Japanese
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
the vapors predicted it
― (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Assume it means Akon & Gwen Stefani (ie Gwen Stefani ft Akon).
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
i had an IRL "Is This Racist?" moment yesterday:
was getting lunch, talking to the asian guy working behind the counter. another customer, a black woman, points to a row of different types of a fruit-flavored beverage, says she'll have "any flavor." he picks up the watermelon-strawberry flavor, says "how about this one?" she says sure, transaction completed, me being the only person present who silently raised an eyebrow at any of this.
― some dude, Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
reminds me of a 'this is racist' moment i had last summer. i was buying water ice at a local Rita's (this is an east coast thing fyi), and i asked the [white] guy manning the counter for a recommendation. he shrugged and i asked him what seemed to be popular. he said, "well, you know in this neighborhood you can't really trust the taste." i couldn't believe that meant what i thought it meant so i naively (trolly?) asked, "what do you mean?" and he said, paraphrasing, "black people have bad taste in food." i was o_O.
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
shipley's post is the spirit of the thread, Mordy is just saying a racist thing that happened.
― wham city bitch, wham wham city bitch (some dude) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
xp: holy shit
― beachville, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
no justice no peace fuck the thread police
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
i'm trying to come up with a 'the food was kind of blah' joke but i don't have the energy
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol goole
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
reminds me of a 'this is racist' moment i had last summer. i was buying water ice at a local Rita's (this is an east coast thing fyi), and i asked the [white] guy manning the counter for a recommendation. he shrugged and i asked him what seemed to be popular. he said, "black, white, purple, green, whatever."
― beachville, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
thank you http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/500/thumbs/thread_police_badge.jpg
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
the same company that is selling those camel shorts is selling these hoodies
http://www.porhomme.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/supreme-arabic-hoodie-pullover-spring-summer-2012-ny-1.jpg
now is it racist?
― the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
no?
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
would it be racist if you wore the hoodie with the shorts?
― the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
what is that arabic word?
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
no, but you would look like a female college sophomore
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
(is that sexist?)
is that arabic word "subhan" meaning "glory"?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
i believe it is
― the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yr5bXac23Ko/S1mH-u7aIXI/AAAAAAAAByA/jEM8qQBNOvM/s400/Subhan+Allah.jpg
yeah it is (subhan is on the bottom)
― the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
i don't speak arabic, i speak farsi, but from what i know about words from the quran it's probably not exactly the same as our "glory"
in farsi subhaneh means "breakfast"
― the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
it'd be funny if there was a big hole in the front
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
the little arabic i can read is from religious instruction when i was a kid. that phrase was translated as "glory to god" ime.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
right, i just mean that it has the "glorious sunrise" connotation rather than the "glory of battle" connotation
― the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUG9qYTJMsI
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
can we get a "cool stuff about arabic that I know" thread from the people who know stuff about arabic because that is really interesting and cool to me
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
xp: I admit there is dubiousness in there but there is also a lot of awesome and self-deprecation
my final verdict is "I hope not, because I love it"
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
wait you mean the video?
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
yes (it's currently posted on my Facebook wall)
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
― wham city bitch, wham wham city bitch (some dude) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
looking forward to when whiney starts the 'this is racist' thread
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
particularly if he starts it with the display name "wham city bitch, wham wham city bitch (some dude) (Whiney G. Weingarten)"
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
I don't normally say this, but I don't get what might be racist about he Dollar Shave ad? (maybe i'm distracted by the hot pants tho)
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
the factory worker
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's the whole "I'm a job creator to a person of vague ethnicity" section
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
which tbh is delivered so ridiculously that I can't take it seriously (which I understand has little to no bearing on whether it comes across as racist to other ppl)
xps I don't either and DJP otm! I love it! I was just curious if people would get really aggro about, like, the idea of a hispanic person not having a job or having a shitty job or something.
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
idk it's a little douchey but i think it's ok
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
i kind of hope she's really an employee of the firm tho
― goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
He's a stud and Alejandra is adorable. If there is legitimate reason to be concerned about racism, I'm blinded to it by the cuteness of it all.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that's pretty awesome. And the dude also wrote it and is the actual head of the company.
― Number None, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i am unable to make a determination because handsome
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
I want to give Alejandra ten thousand jobs hugs
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
I found the "what were you doing a month ago?"/"not working"/"what are you doing now?"/"working" really funny b/c Alejandra looks like she's about to laugh. And they're riding around in a wheelbarrow (iirc).
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
she would probably get really tired if she had to work ten thousand jobs
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
a wagon! + the machete with the tape!
i'm going to stop after this post, sorry!
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
xp what are you implying, asshole?
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:04 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cosign
ex gf was learning Arabic and it was really interesting to hear about; languages in general are fascinating to me, esp since I failed so hard to achieve my dream of being bilingual by the time I graduated college
now I just have a bi roommate
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
yes to this!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
I like the "I'm good at tennis *whiff*" part
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I am guessing she actually works there because she does not seem like someone who was cast for some role, she seems like someone who was told 5 minutes before it was happening that she was gonna be on camera
― iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
also she is on the verge of cracking up throughout the entire thing
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
We need to stop the presses on the all-time comedy poll and add this video.
― garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
outside of everything else, it's kinda a cool business idea?
― iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
The first time I saw the "not working"/"working" scene I thought Alejandra was providing a rickshaw ride, which was odd.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
i would wear a hoodie that said "Breakfast" in arabic, farsi, or any language
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
food shirts
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
but is a food shirt? i should probably scroll up and find out what the camel thing was about.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:50 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
YES
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
i was just riffing on this:
i don't speak arabic, i speak farsi, but from what i know about words from the quran it's probably not exactly the same as our "glory"in farsi subhaneh means "breakfast"― the late great, Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― the late great, Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but v4hid's post made me wonder if it was supposed to be a breakfast shirt! is farsi script identical to arabic script or just similar?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's like Chinese characters in that it's...both of those
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
$$ shave club = so effing cute, so funny, my dating woes are over! Now who is that guy again?
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
urdu script is recognizably related to arabic script but also recognizably not identical. the internet is telling me there is more than one form for farsi script? but at least one of those looks identical to arabic script to me. so the meaning of the word on the hoodie could be breakfast?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Wd wear
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
but v4hid identifed it as an arabic word and he reads farsi, so maybe it's def not farsi.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think the shirt is racist but i am confused. does the company market shirts in the west?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
what happened, etc.
Not that i speak Arabic, but it's definitely 'subhan' as in 'subhan allah'.
Is it meant to convey the idea that, like the word, other things are meaningless without god? Is it a comment on censorship? Is it suggestive of a void at the heart of the human experience? Is it just something that someone saw written down somewhere and thought it looked cool?
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
xps, it's Supreme - a NY streetwear brand.
i know, right? i need to know!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
arabic is a beautiful language, so maybe it is just that someone thought it looked cool, but that kind of thing drives me insane. meaning! meaning is important!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
Okay but I would still wear a shirt that said "breakfast."
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
afaik, Supreme works with quite a few visual artists so there's a good chance there was some kind of meaning behind it.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
i need like museum curator notes on that shirt
― horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
ty ShariVari, btw
walking around all yeah that's right breakfast when in fact it says "asshole"
― (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Thursday, March 8, 2012 5:51 PM
and the camel shorts were supreme, just wondering if this may be an attempt to translate the brand name? their logo is also white text on red too, so
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
i love how this is the 2nd great thread derail based on a Supreme clothing design this month: thread for pics of Drake looking ridiculous
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
just wondering if this may be an attempt to translate the brand name?
gotta be
― Number None, Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
lorne michaels could do a lot worse than to hire the dollar shave club guy
― contenderizer, Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
he likely couldn't afford him!
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
i am now searching obsessively for a shirt that just says "breakfast" (in english)
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
it would immediately become my favorite shirt + i would buy two
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
breakfast, in english http://englishbreakfast.bigcartel.com/product/english-breakfast-t-shirt
I like this, but prob wouldn't wear ithttp://room909.com/breakfast-t-shirt-2
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Thursday, 8 March 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://maryerobbins.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5538f6f69883401156fa05e4d970c-pi
― contenderizer, Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
The world is so full of a number of things, I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings.
― Aimless, Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
incredible
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
I think I have been to craft fairs where the vendors of the breakfast in arabic shirt have had a booth.
― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
this shirt has an
egg
on it as a picture
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
fabulous shirt but the graphic is terribly placeddon't want to put the breakfast out on my front porch
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
and 99 other euphemisms rarely used
― Pup Shalom Dog Costume (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
may as well just go the whole hog and make it two sunnyside up eggs
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
imagining all the multisex people bummed by the strict "unisex only" policy governing shirt sales
― contenderizer, Friday, 9 March 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
eggs goin ham
― kony indie fuxx (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 9 March 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 9 March 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
arabic breakfast probably not goin ham
― joygoat, Friday, 9 March 2012 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
lolportland. of course this booth exists at saturday market
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
xp or to the dogs
― Pup Shalom Dog Costume (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
err maybe that says "rockland", nm
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.the-rudy.com/images/pavement_sunny-side-up.jpg
― Number None, Friday, 9 March 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
My local sports team has innoculated me to the hilarity of this phenomenon. ;_;
― (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 9 March 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah tbh by front porch I meant my guthate shirts with designs on the tum-tum, I'm not Arabic Breakfast Bear in the Care Bears
― Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
― You're welcome child. It was just another day being your God (crüt), Friday, 9 March 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.dumpt.com/img/files/cqh7ioxf3jm0a8p87als_thumb.jpg
― the Hilary Clinton of Ghostface Killahs (Phil D.), Friday, 9 March 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 9 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
A++ work, phild
― Aimless, Friday, 9 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
new arrivals will wonder why phild thinks breakfast bear is racist
― (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 9 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
the scimitar is a lovely touch that nudges it right up to the borderline where racist meets ridiculous
― Aimless, Friday, 9 March 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
^ yup
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Friday, 9 March 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
the farsi word for breakfast is actually probably more closely transliterated as sobooneh rather than subhaneh, the second is like a very posh pronunciation of the word and i didn't mean to imply there's any connection between the two words (aside from being false cognates)
the shorts being supreme is part of what made me think they might be "camel jockey" pants since supreme likes to court controversy and wind people up (one of their popular logo they've used for a few seasons now just says "Fuck You!")
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
is that bear on his away to decapitate infidel bear?
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
on his way, obviously
there are a lot of good pics of wheelchair jimmy looking like a douche in supreme ... DERAIL!!
http://plussixone.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/fresh-celeb-drake-supreme-zebra-jacket-3.jpg?w=590
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
^^ worst rico tubbs halloween costume of all time
Allah Ak-bear!
― nickn, Friday, 9 March 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
the jokes itt are moving in a direction
― (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 9 March 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
self-fulfilling thread titles
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Friday, 9 March 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
(one of their popular logo they've used for a few seasons now just says "Fuck You!")
i have more than one friend who owns the "GO TO HELL" cap smdh
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 9 March 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/off_the_cuff_february_2012/
Off the Cuff: February 2012By D. Herbert LipsonPosted on February 2012
I keep thinking about a blog post that one of our writers here at Philadelphia magazine recently put up. Victor Fiorillo was riding the trolley home through West Philadelphia. A woman sitting near him began yelling at her two young children, a boy and a girl. The girl, probably two, kept sliding down in her seat, which enraged the mother. She started hitting and then smacking her daughter, trying to get her to stop. Her son, who was probably four, said something, and the mother gave him a series of rapid-fire punches.
No one on the trolley—perhaps 20 others—said anything. Except for Victor. “If you hit that child one more time,” he told the woman loudly, “I will call the police and follow you home and make sure they arrest you.”
The mother sprang up and spat in Victor’s face. Then she gathered her children and got off the trolley. The woman, who was black, left with the comment, “That’s the problem with all you fucking white people.”
I don’t know what I would have done in that situation; perhaps, like almost everyone else, I would have remained silent. And that, I believe, is really the problem with all of us, in the face of an inner city that is mostly a dysfunctional mess. We are doing nothing. In fact, we aren’t even willing to talk honestly about what’s wrong; we’re too afraid. We’re afraid of getting the responses that Victor received online to his post, accusing him of butting into somebody else’s business and even of being a racist. How, I wonder, is having the courage to speak up when children are being abused anything but the proper response?
Our fear has us avoiding even a discussion of the real problems. Recently, Nicholas Kristof wrote in the New York Times about two decades’ worth of studies telling us that how children are treated when they are very young has a telling effect on their brains. If they’re loved and protected, their minds develop in a very different way than if they’re ignored or abused—or beaten. As one doctor said, “Early experiences are literally built into our bodies.”
It’s pretty easy to connect the dots, though Kristof, with strong liberal credentials, certainly didn’t. The children that Victor saw on the trolley are going to have miserable lives. They will do poorly at school. They will abuse drugs and commit violent crimes. They will become part of a culture that has Philadelphia at or near the top in several categories nationally: in murder, in poverty, in hunger, in illiteracy.
Is it a mistake to say that? Should I worry that some readers might see me as racist for describing what I fear for those children, who happen to be black? Perhaps I should be like Mayor Nutter, who defined the big initiatives of his second term as fighting crime and improving education in this city. Do you really believe, Mr. Mayor, that you can make a dent in solving those problems without looking at something much more fundamental? It is patently clear that the inner-city family is broken, with abusive mothers, absent fathers, drug abuse and criminal behavior rampant. The Mayor occasionally recognizes this fact in outbursts of anger, but unless we keep shining a light on the crux of the crisis, nothing gets solved.
I realize, of course, that I am on dangerous ground here. But when it is overwhelmingly likely that the two young children Victor saw on the trolley will end up with damaged lives, I don’t think we have a choice. Moreover, ignoring a mother beating her children on the trolley is a microcosm of our larger failure.
We’ve been throwing money at the problems of our urban poor for more than half a century, with terrible results. Facing the truth about inner-city life instead of dancing around it would be a start in a much better direction.Originally published in Philadelphia magazine, February 2012
― Joan Cusack clumsily running into a water fountain (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 11 March 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
why do people seriously conflate criticizing people who happen to be Black with making racist-intoned statements? the article's offensive to me because it assumes that the other people on the bus said nothing because the lady was Black and they were afraid of breaking this imaginary taboo, and not just...Genovese syndrome.
(srsly, watch any situation where someone's being physically abused in public, and all people generally do is stand around, murmuring, and confused as to what they should do).
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
To clarify my first statement...I'm questioning why the article writer thinks there's this imaginary forbidden zone where we can't offer a personal criticism of someone who is Black, when people do it all the time without being called "racist". Huge difference between yelling at a lady for beating her kids and saying something like "man, what is the deal with you people".
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
if he wasn't a racist reaganite (looooooool show me this money we're "throwing" at any urban areas) and arguing in bad faith i would point him to the "myth of the underclass" chapter in adolph reed's stirrings in the jug but i kind of feel like to take rants like that at face value is to play oneself.
also if he's advocating taking kids away from poor black parents en masse he should just come out and say it like carl paladino did when he was running for governor of new york. nice company to be in, btw.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, yes, that's racist
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.phillymag.com/images/uploads/articles/37370_article.jpg
^^ d. herbert lipson
― max, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
like a racist Mr. Feeny
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
it's at least highly fucked to actually write that those children will have damaged (and in his mind "TYPICAL BLACK") lives because their mother hits them. and it's a million times more fucked (and racist) to blame the problems of the black inner-city community on mothers hitting their children.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 11 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
"if only Yo Gotti had gotten more hugs..."
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 11 March 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
i think he's making a generally valid point (broken homes & families do make broken people, not always, but with depressing predictability, and this can become a self-perpetuating cycle), but doing it in a way that at least edges into outright racism.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 11 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I think a teeny tiny valid fact about early childhood development is just a briefly glimpsed mile marker on the way to his racist conclusion.
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Sunday, 11 March 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
― catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 11 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
The children that Victor saw on the trolley are going to have miserable lives. They will do poorly at school. They will abuse drugs and commit violent crimes.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_C-J2golFlhk/Sc_NWIU8NGI/AAAAAAAAAI8/yWCfyonEExw/s400/crystalball_468x317.jpg
― buzza, Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
We’ve been throwing money at the problems of our urban poor for more than half a century, with terrible results. Facing the truth about inner-city life instead of dancing around it would be a start in a much better direction.
Using the deplorable plight of two black kids to call for spending less money on programs like Headstart is despicable. Or, wait, is he really calling for government to step in and put all black kids in foster care? Or, is he calling for a moon-landing program to make poverty and ignorance disappear? Or, what the fuck is this guy's point, anyway?
― Aimless, Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
I think a teeny tiny valid fact about early childhood development is just a briefly glimpsed mile marker on the way to his racist conclusion. --drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel)
Yeah, like abused kids turn out fucked up, but why does he think black people have a monopoly on hitting their kids?
― kony indie fuxx (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
the rhetorical way in which he injects race into the issue - midsentence, or via the totally shitty passive clause "who happen to be black"
like he knows exactly what kind of territory he's entering and is very explicit about that, but still tries to hide the ball
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
whiney otm. it's not really crystal-ball territory to say "if your mother abuses you in public, you're going to be fucked up," though, you kind of have to be stupid to not already know that
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
OTOH to say "here is how they'll be fucked up" is where he really steps up his racism game - there's a thousand ways those kids might deal with the damage they're getting
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
exactly. he could have made the same point by saying, "hey, all you black people: stop hitting your kids," but didn't have the guts.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
I think 'increases the likelihood of you being fucked up' or some such is preferable to 'you are going to be fucked up'. Pedantry, I suppose, but the latter statement seems to reduce people to simple cause and effect.
― windborne grey frogs (dowd), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
well, we're into personality & style differences here I guess, but I'm perfectly ok with "if your mother abuses and berates you publicly, you are going to be fucked up."
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
and buzza OTM, the predictive/condemnatory "are going to have miserable lives...will do poorly at school...will abuse drugs and commit violent crimes" bullshit is inexcusable. maybe those kids will survive their upbringing, maybe they won't. either way, withdrawing funding from inner city aid programs probably won't help.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 11 March 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
he's not really talking about any of those kids' lives, he's invoking the specter of the inner city welfare queen mom as symbol of the degenerate moral character of the black underclass, that hoary old chestnut. maybe he's written an editorial extrapolating from the penn state scandal that rich old white dudes who coach athletics are destroying the moral fiber of this country and their offspring are going to rob you and rape white women, but i doubt it. funny how this rhetorical move seems completely superfluous as american political culture veers further and further from any kind of commitment to the public sector, thanks to his rhetorical ancestor, ronald reagan. i guess this discourse has just settled in for the long haul.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
i realize you guys were actually trying to engage the words he wrote in good faith but it all reads like code to me.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
ha well yes it is true that reading everything as if it were being said in earnest is sort of my involuntary specialty
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
it's also true that i read everything that includes the phrase "throwing money at the urban poor" through a paranoid lens.
stirrings in the jug is a really good book btw
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
just because i'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not after me racist
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
looks like the entire underclass chapter is on googlebooks
― horseshoe, Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
is it racist that insurance company More Than puns on Morgan Freeman's name and impersonates his trademark voice-overs but uses a white Morethan Freeman to sell insurance?
e.g.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8X4rST4YvY
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
i'll say no
sorta dumb tho.
― goole, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
probably couldn't do it in the US tho, the thought of which is kind of making me rethink
― goole, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
is it just coincidence that our best-loved and most dignified african american celebrity, the star of glory and driving miss daisy, is named freeman DO YOU SEE
― the late great, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
More of a personal affront to MF than a racial one, imo.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Read something to the effect that he gave his permission but isn't exactly a fan
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
struggling to see how it's in any way racist, assuming the guy in the ads is also the voice actor?
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
this all Compare the Meerkat's fault basically (were those racist?)
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
i think they might be, yeah
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Accent. Verbal blackface.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
okay, really?
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Well, *I* find it creepy and tasteless, and that's what I come up with.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
morgan freeman's voice is neither an "accent" nor "verbal blackface"
― Sexess - Sexual Success Or; Successful Sex (crüt), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
he has a very slight twang because he's from Memphis
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
That is not Morgan Freeman's voice, and the attempt to sound like him is based primarily on accent and very little on the other aspects. And that is not simply regional.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
his voice is much more distinctive than his accent, which imo is quite soft?
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
...and it's the other way around for the voice-over guy, which is my point, and I hope someone not on a gotcha quest knows what I'm talking about.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
gotcha
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't say the accent is particularly over-the-top or more pronounced than the "I am imitating Morgan Freeman" part of the voice
where are you from, TWU?
― Sexess - Sexual Success Or; Successful Sex (crüt), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
We don't agree. I'm from the Baltimore/Washington area.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
So anyone doing an impression of Darth Vader is guilty of verbal blackface?
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
No.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
I just don't get then why doing an impression of Morgan Freeman is considered such.
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
because morgan freemans face is black and under the mask vader is white
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.cinemaqueer.com/movie%20images/chasinghooper.jpg
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
I thought the white guy in the ad and the guy doing the voice impression were different guys and that More Than could have had anyone playing Morethan Freeman but chose to have that guy who bears no resemblance to the guy we normally associate with that voice.
I don't necessarily think that's racist (that's why I'm here, it's what this thread is occasionally for) but if he isn't the voice guy I would be interested in More Than's reasons for casting him.
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
hmm, i'm only assuming it's the same guy because, well yeah, why else.
If we were to find out that the actual voice actor was asian, can we lock the thread?
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
nah it's this guyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbIqL-lN1B4
― Number None, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i've just been searching. as you were.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Robert_Thompson
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really think it's racist tbh but this thing of turning a terrible pun on a company name into a crap ad character has to stop
― Number None, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
it makes u remember, it will never stop
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
it's nice to get the occasional "no" in an "is this racist?" thread
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
tbf it's often a 'lady, if you have to ask....' issue
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
Lots of ladies in the current discussion.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
i thought everyone itt was a lady and that is literally why i said that, my bad
― Streep? That's where I'm a-striking! (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:17 (twelve years ago) link
the voice over sounds like someone doing a very bad imitation of morgan freeman, cannot BELIEVE someone landed that job with that voice, smdh
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
guy at bbq restaurant wearing shirt:"My Indian Name Is Runs With Beer"
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
I think this is one of those situations where claiming something is racist is more offensive than the thing itself
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs noooooooooooooo
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
down the brer rabbit hole
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/10/22/f16399cf-95c0-4785-974c-4fd1ba68848e.jpg
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
frogdude, you have made me laugh hard twice today and i want you to succeed at ilx so i wish you would reconsider participating in this thread
― free societies must let drunken gay Texans have sex (Je55e), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
cmon guys, we're all friends here :sunglasses:
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
considering that frogbs plainly stated something I implied, I get the sense that people are freaking out solely because of subject matter and not because of what was actually said
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/s/silverchair/album-frogstomp.jpg
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
considering that frogbs plainly stated something I implied
yeah it crossed my mind that it could be read that way - i was hoping it was clear i wasn't saying the guy was doing a "black voice" but was doing the voice of a notable and famous black man.
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Thursday, 15 March 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
― pplains
― Three Word Username
But, but, that's the voice of James Earl Jones!
― Aimless, Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
vader was white btw
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
Are the people in the Star Wars movies humans?
― pplains, Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
TWU baldly stated that he thought dude was doing a "black voice", though; that was the post that caused my reaction and, while I can't speak for frogbs, I thought he was just piggybacking off of the existing conversation.
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
I'm kind of dying here because I ended up on some odyssey of jumping through "related videos" on youtube last night and ended up watching a segment about the guy who voiced the baby on the tv show Dinosaurs, who also voices Elmo, and is a large black man
So when I read "black voice" I am thinking Elmo atm
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Kevin Clash. There's a fascinating recent documentary on him called Being Elmo.
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
it is true that james earl jones is black, but it's only verbal blackface if you're impersonating a james earl jones character who is black, like mufasa
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
can we stop using the phrase "verbal blackface", it is seriously killing me bit by bit
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
a james earl jones character who is black, like mufasa
ha
― Sexess - Sexual Success Or; Successful Sex (crüt), Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Was Amos n Andy racist
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
On the radio I mean
sho nuff
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
What about Robert Plant.
― pplains, Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
On the radio
AAA AAAA AAA AAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Robert Plant was racist on tv.
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
I guess he wasn't referring to Bobby "Boris" Pickett, was he.
― pplains, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2481212608286&set=a.1898171272617.76086.1791714244&type=3&theater
again not really 'is this racist'
― iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
how is that not fake
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
I just saw a guy wearing a t-shirt that said "Did I really just ask A MEXICAN for directions?!" and I'm sure it's racist/xenophobic/offensive, but I'm having difficulty understanding its point altogether.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
comments link to this: http://www.stumpysstickers.com/
― iatee, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
woah
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
like the original boys n the hood
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100921132925AApBpSk
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Not everything is racist, you old turd. It's a cultural issue.
frogbs is on Yahoo! Answers too?
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
only direction they know is el norte amirite
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
seriously though i can't imagine living in a place where you see stuff like that on a daily basis
i mean i know living in california i'm surrounded by secret racists but at least nobody puts shit like that on a shirt or a car
otoh i remember speaking to a coworker from the south and she was saying that at least in the south you *know* who's a racist
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
why did i say "on a daily basis", i meant "out in public"
If you go to the weirdo desert areas of California, you see some of that stuff.
― mh, Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
that's true, i always forget about the lovely vibe in places like lancaster and lompoc
i guess i also forgot about the time in kindergarten that i brought cookies for a party on our schoolbus, the entire bus started chanting TAKE YOUR COOKIES BACK IRAN and the busdriver just grinned at it
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
tbf it was just after the hostage crisis, and the iron sheik was mounting a major challenge to hogan's title
There's something about Casa de mi Padre, Will Ferrell's new movie that bothers me.
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
i bet it's the fact that they're using ethnic stereotypes as the basis of comedy?
― the late great, Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
uh, yeah. for whatever reason, comedy based on comically stereotypical mexicans still seems to fly in the US - even when the mexicans are portrayed as dumb & lazy, even when they're played in brownface.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Friday, 16 March 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
Just this morning, the local classic rock station had a news break where they mentioned Ohio law enforcement breaking up some meth labs and, in the process, rounding up a bunch of undocumented workers; they did a throw to what was supposed to be a sound bite from the scene and -- in the middle of what was ostensibly news -- played an old Cheech Marin clip from a Cheech & Chong movie.
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Friday, 16 March 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
was it born in east la? maybe it was a nod of sympathy to the workers.
― the late great, Friday, 16 March 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
When Nacho Libre came out I was like ugh! I saw it and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.
From the previews "Casa de mi Padre" the big laugh is the "gringo" speaking Spanish and portraying a Mexican. Having lived in Austin for so many years, reminds me of drunk frat boys enrolled in a Spanish course being obnoxious on a Saturday night.
I wish more Mexican movies were translated. From the Cantinflas films to all those trucking films with fighting female truckers from the 70's. To correctly translate a Cantinflas film and get the word play across seems like a difficult task and I think that is why it has not been done.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
I have watched "Breakfast at Tiffany's" at the Paramount with a full house three times in the past 15 years and each time people just audibly cringe when Mickey Rooney appears as Mr Yunioshi. It is written off to, well, that is 1961 for you. Just not cool that brownface doesn't solicit the same reaction or is even recognized as insulting.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't watched the trailer for the will ferrell is mexican movie, but doesn't will ferrell play a mexican in it? and isn't he 100% white? shouldn't be hard to see what's bothersome about that
blackface isn't ONLY offensive because of its history, it's offensive because playing dressup with other races and cultures is offensive
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
I saw this bumper sticker a few months ago:
http://mchenrycountyblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Window-Sticker-My-truck-is-built-with-wrenches-not-chopsticks1.png
Which I found amusing because even for blind racism, it doesn't work on any level. Does this mean the Japanese have bumper stickers claiming that American cars are made with forks and knives?
― frogbs, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think anyone has said blackface is only offensive because of it's history, I think it's reason for being wrong is implicit with it's history. Yes it's Will Ferrell dressing up as a mexican that's so odd to me about this movie, I'm trying to hold off on calling it racist, I haven't seen it, only the trailer, but still.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:29 (twelve years ago) link
also, those wrenches were probably made in China
― frogbs, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
my wrenches are made with WRENCHES not CHOPSTICKS
― the late great, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno guys I still love Touch of Evil, but maybe cause it fits the general wrongness of that movie
― Nhex, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
Touch of Evil is a great film made in 1958. A great deal has happened since then, or most of us Hispanics would like to think. Then Will Ferrell comes along.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
With the exception of blackface (which is just too weighed down by certain connotations to ever be completely inoffensive unless RDJ is doing it), I think actors can cross those racial lines if they tread very lightly and do it in a respectful fashion. Heston was fine in Touch of Evil because, even though it was kind of a weird decision, he didn't engage in any stereotypical bullshit. And there are actors like Cliff Curtis who play any character that's, y'know, at all swarthy. The reasons for doing so when there are perfectly talented Hispanic/Indian/Inuit/Laotian actors who would just as easily fit the bill is a whole other questionable arena of Hollywood politics (on par with "Why are there only three male Asian actors?").
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
― Nhex, Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:52 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. it's also less objectionable than most similar characterizations because charlton heston makes absolutely no attempt to "play mexican". he's just charlton heston with brown shoe polish on his face, stained darker than any of the actual latinos in the cast, an inexplicable absurdity at which no one raises an eyebrow. also, the film treats mexico and its mexican characters with a good deal of respect. not saying its perfect, but it's a hell of a lot less offensive than mickey rooney in breakfast. im(wg)o, anyway.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
I agree that it is by no means a parody or satire or disrespectful and it is the way things were done back then despite having access to real Mexican actors. "Salt of the Earth" was an excellent example and awesome for 1954.
Yunioshi...disgusting and so is "Casa de mi Padre".
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago) link
Also plenty of Hispanic folks are of mostly or entirely European ancestry. Will Ferrell (or anglo american high schoolers playing the Sharks in West Side Story) don't need to paint their faces to be able to portray Hispanic characters.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
It might be fair to wait until it's at least been released before we start decrying Casa De Mi Padre. Especially seeing as how Will Farrell seems overall like a pretty decent dude who hasn't previously given us any reason to believe he's a latent racist.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno guys I still love Touch of Evil, but maybe cause it fits the general wrongness of that movie― Nhex, Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:52 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean tbh i always read heston's brownface as welles just highlighting (oof) the pulpy artifice of the entire project. granted i was mad lifted the first time i saw it.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
This is true and half my family in Mexico have green or blue eyes, they are fair skinned and one group blonde. my mother is only a 2nd generation Mexican on one side and 3rd generation Mexican on the other. Her family were the oppressors before the revolution. My paternal grandmother is 100% Apache. Her people were the oppressed in Mexico and the US.
My sibs and I vary completely, my sister passes for "white" my brother has red skin and more Native features, you've seen me on wdyll.
Incidentally, there is still a lot of the fair skinned/dark skinned game being played in Mexico, along the border and in other parts of the US. The fair skinned, colored eyed, lighter haired Mexican and Mexican American girls were considered more attractive than the darker skinned, darker eyed and brown/black skin girls. That sort of thing.
The Hispanics in "Giant" were done up in a strange purplish/eggplant hue but the make-up on Rock Hudson and Elizabeth Taylor wasn't so hot either, the make-up in the film was weird.
But um..."Casa de mi Padre" is a "comedy". that is the thing...How many people know that they are racist or involved in something distasteful when it comes to Hispanics? For example. When you have an entire state in the US that has taken blatantly racist measures in the name of "protection" and "security" you have to wonder.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
Well...off the top of my head, I can't come up with many meaningful ways in which Will Farrell is really comparable with Arizona's conservative fringe, is the thing.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
Like, the movie might be the worst thing anyone ever did, but reserving judgment until the thing is available for public consumption seems like a reasonable approach to me.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmmm I won't be buying a ticket or lining up at Redbox. While I gave Nacho Libre a chance, I was a different person. Then Indiana happened. A movie like that in places like Arizon or some spots in Indiana just does more harm than good.
Having lived briefly in Indiana, being Hispanic made more of an impact on my life than it had having lived in Texas my whole life. I felt ignorant. I began to feel I had mistaken invisibility for acceptance. I had issues growing up in Del Rio, TX the places was segregated until 1976 and I have told over and over that from Castroville to Del Rio down Highway 90 was the most racist place towards Hispanics, Blacks and Native Americans in Texas at one time. But by the time I entered college I had no chip on my shoulder and felt accepted, never looking for or finding racism in my every day life. Rarely. I remained in Austin for 21 years or so. But man, Indiana...eek!
Then when we moved to Baltimore it was,"What are you?" something I got a lot of when I once visited Philadelphia for 10 days. But really a great experience, I don't mind being asked that but I wonder why I am in some parts.
Are you Hispanic Deric? Just wondering because I would hope it is understood how something like than just comes across to some Hispanics. I don't expect non-Hispanics to understand or agree with me, but it s what it is. Cable TV has loads of non-edifying programming depicting White America in ways I find exploitive and wrog. I just don't watch them and I wouldn't let my child watch them.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry, typos, after midnight....
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not Hispanic, no, but I totally understand where your reservations are coming from. Like I said upthread, this is the type of thing that can be done if it's handled delicately (see: RDJ in Tropic Thunder) but which is rarely a good idea. I'm just reserving judgment.
Just out of curiosity, whereabouts in Indiana were you? I mean, it really doesn't matter much in terms of integration or racial sensitivity, but there's at least a small island in Bloomington where you can sort of pretend that everyone gets along with everyone else (although I've heard some awful stuff my sister-in-law has dealt with, even as an IU employee).
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird because the trailers for 'casa de mi padre' are striking in how unfunny they are. like either the fact that will ferrell is playing a mexican is supposed to be funny.... or... is it actually not a comedy? are we supposed to laugh at like, his name (armando alvarez)? or the translation thing? the trailer is just a series of latino stereotypes listed all in a row so maybe it's some comment on those stereotypes? i seriously dgi
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
maybe the trailers just suck but is there anything actually funny about any of the clips in these trailers? honest question
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe Will Ferrell movies not directed by Adam McKay just suck? I kinda can't think of the last one that didn't, honestly.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:33 (twelve years ago) link
I just read about the film, again. While it claims to have a lot to say as commentary on America's views of Mexicans and vice versa, sadly, I just don't have much faith in it being viewed intelligently. I just see some ignorant viewer missing the point. When you have illegals coming to work here and punished by having their children taken away and put up for adoption. I just think that a film like this needs to be more intelligently done to be edifying. I think of "Chameleon Street" for some reason.
We were in Evansville, Petersburg, Washington area but made frequent trips all over the state. It was in the small towns, "Little Dixie", that sucked. Bloomington was a refreshing, nice college oasis.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
Tera, I hear you here. I've got complicated concerns when it comes to things like this. I think of myself as hispanic (xicano, even), but the world sees me as white. When it comes to questions of race I tend to ask myself "how would I, as a hispanic person, like to see white people behave in this instance?" And then, given that I tend to be seen as white, I do my best to follow that principle & set an example for other people who identify as white.
All of that is to say that when it comes to something like Nacho Libre or Casa, I'm torn. There's a part of me that recognizes and enjoys the elements of affectionate mockery, but another part of me that's troubled, knowing that people who don't recognize the affection and only see the mockery are laughing for their own reasons.
Nacho Libre is funny to me because it makes me think of the nuns who taught my CCD classes and the dorky kids who obsessed over lucha libre in my elementary school, and that character lets me imagine what it might be like if one of them had grown up. But is that why someone in Indiana laughs? Probably not.
And I see already the same kind of dilemma coming out of Casa de mi Padre--I grew up with my mother and grandmother watching a lot of novelas, and something that parodies those same beats (with Will Farrell, no less!) has the potential to make me laugh pretty hard. But are other people's laughs going to come from the same places? Or will they come from pure derision?
There's a part of me that agrees with you, Deric--"wait and see," because one wants to wait and see how the laughs are played. That said, though, the cultural divide and past experience says that the laughs are unlikely to come from the same places, and that's what concerns me (and--I think?--tera too).
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
(P.S. I do just want to point out that, although the overall culture is kinda gross and there's definitely still a lot of pervasive creepy backwardness, there are also a ton of forward-thinking and liberal-minded peeps in Indiana, and pockets of the state are actually verrrrrry slooooooowly and utterly shockingly trending leftward. Just feel the need to defend cuz I'm sorta abruptly back there now and probably will be for a little while and wanna acknowledge that there are some good eggs here fightin' the good fight. And that said, you can certainly feel free to continue generalizing about the state because the generalizations are mostly otm.)
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
btw this feels like an appropo moment to point out that my dad is from batesville
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
he grew up working for the casket company and my grandpa made tombstones
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yeaaaaah, that seems kinda fitting for Indiana. A good deal more than half of the population in my mom's town is 50 or older.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
suitably gothic imo
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, March 15, 2012 9:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, this. that's exactly how i take it, and i've only ever seen the movie straight (a tragedy that i intend to rectify as soon as possible).
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Friday, 16 March 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
Indiana wasn't all bad. I really enjoyed our weekend trips hunting for records and Bloomington was a great place, nice vibes and great food. Even in small towns we found friendly people, Vincennes, Jasper, even Evansville, and Indianapolis had shops with nice people. But when the people were unfriendly it was icy cold. The most shocking thing was an old farmer recommending Tera go work on a chicken farm with the other Mexicans.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
Big Hoos, otm...
Deric, when I speak of the racism I felt in Indiana, it was what I experienced in Evansville, Petersburg and Washington. New Harmony was great, Terra Haute, Indianapolis and Bloomington, Vincennes were all places I enjoyed. Unfortunately, we spent Monday-Friday in the Petersburg area and had only the weekend to venture out and hang in other places.
I must say though, it was hard not to notice all the cemeteries traveling from town to town.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:38 (twelve years ago) link
Snippet of overheard conversation among coworkers (Bloomington townies) about a decade ago:
-I didn't hear you say something bad about the KKK, did I?-Nah, not me, man.
Needless to say, I was outta that job like a fucking flash. The further you get from the student-y parts of town, the creepier it gets.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 07:41 (twelve years ago) link
You take the good, you take the bad. You take 'em both and there you have the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana, the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 07:45 (twelve years ago) link
there you have the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana, the facts of racial tolerance in Indiana.
is this a song
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh i get it
While I gave Nacho Libre a chance, I was a different person.
^ nomination for favorite sentence on ILX this year
― I DIED, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:52 (twelve years ago) link
Wow!
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:52 (twelve years ago) link
I grew up with my mother and grandmother watching a lot of novelas, and something that parodies those same beats (with Will Ferrell, no less!) has the potential to make me laugh pretty hard. But are other people's laughs going to come from the same places? Or will they come from pure derision?
Thinking about this some more, like--I might laugh at a parody of a novela because I recognize it as mocking the familiar (to me) silly tropes of a novela. I think Will Ferrell (or whoever) might argue that those silly tropes are kinda universally recognized as silly; that "worth laughing at" is "worth laughing at" no matter whose culture it originates from. And I guess the counterargument to that is something about power relations--that there's an ethical weight to the history of power relations between two groups, and the history of whites holding power over Mexicans means that their laughter at Mexican culture always has that weight behind it?
I don't know if this is totally the wrong thread for this, obviously I'm kinda thinking out loud and figuring this out as I go. These are complicated issues for me personally, but I'm trying to work through them to come out the other side with some kind of more widely applicable analysis.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
Ha! I was though...
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:56 (twelve years ago) link
also where is max or cr?m to puncture all my illusions of cultural ownership and authenticity
Several layers of complications. Then there is what it means to me vs how it is perceived. How often I have thrown out and ignored how it is perceived only to have that be the main focus later on...
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 07:59 (twelve years ago) link
Right??
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:01 (twelve years ago) link
This is all very important to me, since I'm having a daughter soon and though I don't know what she will look like yet, she will be biracial. I fear the day when either kids make fun of her for speaking spanish and having pale skin or blue eyes and having my last name or having darker skin with my last name and speaking english well. I am hopeful that this won't be a problem for my daughter, but I remember how cruel other kids can be.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:05 (twelve years ago) link
this is a pretty good writeup of Casa:
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/16/pick_of_the_week_will_ferrells_incredibly_strange_mexican_adventure/singleton/
..and of course I say that as someone who hasn't seen it speaking to other people who haven't seen it.
― I DIED, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:10 (twelve years ago) link
Making fun of stereotypes can be hilarious and sort of a relief, but when there's the chance it reinforces those stereotypes it becomes scary to me.
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:11 (twelve years ago) link
i definitely plan to see the movie fwiw
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
Me too
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:32 (twelve years ago) link
Big Hoos, ever discussed whether Cri-Cri's songs were racist or not? I have actually had that discussion on a board once.
― *tera, Friday, 16 March 2012 09:03 (twelve years ago) link
the only amusing thing I've seen in any of the Casa trailers was Nick Offerman asking Will Ferrell if he spoke English and Ferrell responding in Spanish "No sir, I do not speak any English." Which was dumb.
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
He doesn't say "English" he says "American" -- v different!
― Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
ah right; I only saw it once
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
I just saw a guy wearing a t-shirt that said "Did I really just ask A MEXICAN for directions?!"
http://busblog.tonypierce.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/icecreamtruckdancerssj1.jpg
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
somehow i knew the "re-nig" sticker would already be here but i checked anyway...
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
i feel for obese-americans slighted by Welles' wearing of fatface in that movie
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
something about the fact will ferrell and the directors being the only prominent non Hispanics in the cast/crew (and the involvement of many well known Latinos) would suggest at least superficially that the movie is not out and out racist. I think it looks like it has potential at least
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 16 March 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/g.OsYOoqqxp3wgdxSGI4.Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thesideshow/bumpersticker.jpg
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh what the FUCK
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, March 16, 2012 2:23 PM (6 hours ago)
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
alas I did not lol
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
seriously WHAT THE FUCK
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
it's a delightful play on the word "renege" do u c
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
goes well with "my other car is also an asshole"
I can't see much besides red at the moment
brb, angrily posting on Facebook
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
I'd feel pretty okay about the owner of that car getting eaten by wolves.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
About 85,600 results (0.19 seconds)
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
21 "news" articles about racist picture on Facebook
https://news.google.com/news/more?q=%22don't+re-nig%22&hl=en&prmd=imvnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&ix=seb&ion=1&biw=2088&bih=1264&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dP0EGG-qrF6fEVMH-H_lGRDANyE6M&ei=4KVjT62QCYr50gGbgam1Cg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQqgIwAA
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
courtesy of Stumpy's Stickers
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
whose server has crashed, apparently
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Bumper stickers have long been a common way for drivers to show opposition or support for political candidates. -- The Daily Beast
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
8,560 comments on HuffPo on picture someone posted to Facebook
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
"powered by zen cart"
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really think that sticker belongs in this thread. The only possible way you could doubt the racist intent behind it is if you were blind. But even then, blind people's other senses are supposed to compensate for their lack of sight, so I'm sure some of them would pick up on the virulence with their racehate-dar.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
we've already been over how this is more of a "This is racist!" thread than it's title would suggest
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
just saw this on DJP's FB. Words fail me. I google image searched to see if there was anymore and just... wow
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 16 March 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, I've seen it all over FB the last few days. Sadly I think there are ppl in my family who would buy it without a second thought.
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Saturday, 17 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
try reading the s+0rmfr0n+ thread on this sticker for lots of laffs.
sorry, not providing a link.
― the kids of boris midney high (get bent), Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
no apology necessary...
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
Vile shit on the Internet.... Let's continue to post it on ILX?
― pplains, Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
i do propose we return to the thread's original topic of at least questionable instances of racism
― Nhex, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, how about I start a thread called "Dead or Alive?" featuring 4chan gifs of russian dashboard videos and chinese crosswalk cams.
and when we get something truly gruesome, we can all go "it's a shame, just what is wrong with people?"
― pplains, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
kind of implicated yourself with that amount of detail
― bnw, Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
I remember when I was surfing the web while my wife was out of town... seems a thousand centuries ago. A friend sent me this link that he had found on an auto repair message board. There were some funny gifs of monkeys falling out of trees, a turtle biting a dog on the nuts, maybe a topless hula dancer. There was this banner of an old man with no teeth and he was crying. He couldn't see. I went back to the main menu and there was a thread called Dead or Alive? Inside were gifs J. Budd Dwyer, motorcycle accidents, a guy jumping out of a burning building and a dog licking up its own vomit. And I remember... I... I... I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn't know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it... I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. The Horror.
― pplains, Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2012/03/briefly-noted.html
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 March 2012 08:23 (twelve years ago) link
lol pp
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 17 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/03/17/exclusive-seller-of-controversial-anti-obama-sticker-says-its-not-racist/
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
Ms. Smith insisted that the bumper sticker is not racist. I asked her about the “N” word, for which “nig” is the shortened version. “According to the dictionary [the N word] does not mean black. It means a low down, lazy, sorry, low down person. That’s what the N word means.”
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
FOR FUCK'S SAKE
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
I hope that person dies
oh ffs
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
lol I mean, I know that person will die eventually, I mean right now in a super painful drawn-out manner
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Ms. Smith said she is not racist, she just wants Obama out of office. She tells me she doesn’t have a preferred replacement candidate. “And besides Obama is not even black. He’s got a mixture of race. It’s his choice of what his nationality is. I’m a mixed breed. I call myself a Heinz 57,” she says, referring to an ancestry that’s part of French, Scottish, and German.
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
"I’m a mixed breed. I call myself a Heinz 57,” she says, referring to an ancestry that’s part of white, white, and white.
― Mordy, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
It’s his choice of what his nationality is.
?????
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
how did this woman manage to figure out how to turn on a computer
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
I think she is pointing out that in a post-racial world, Mr Obama is free to identify as any aspect of his heritage that he chooses. Because she is an idiot.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
Is Heinz's 57th flavour all of the others mixed together? Because that is the only way that statement would make any sense.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
i think of this a lot in terms of the "epistemic closure" argument from the past few years, santorum's bizarro theorizing, etc: we're in some kind of deep post-atwater universe where there are just a lot of people who are native believers of the paper-thin excuse-making bullshit pushed out by their political forbears
― goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
*looks for Heinz 57 on Census Form.*
*Takes a bite out of ribs*
"Oh, good. There it is."
― pplains, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
i do appreciate that Roger Friedman, Forbes Contributor went to some different dictionaries to vet that partic statement tho
― goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
i still dont understand how "idiot does racist thing" is national news
― the ineffable genius of DJP (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
the gun store in my home town used to sell "running n***** targets" where's that dude's 15 minutes of Facebook fame?
― the ineffable genius of DJP (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
she's just using every single racist defense every other white person uses after they use the word. fills out the bingo card real good.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh except this
“I do find it amazing and entertaining that one of our stickers has become a racist thing,” Ms. Smith told me. I asked her if she thought the “N” Word was a bad word? “No,” she said, ” because I don’t use it. I have kids here around me that are black kids. I call them my own kids. I’ve helped black families…to guide them in the right direction. Paintball is one of these things. We like to laugh and have a good time. That’s our way of life.”
this whole paragraph is just surreal
Paintball is one of these things. We like to laugh and have a good time.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
i don't care if i shoot you with white paint, black paint, purple paint...
― the ineffable genius of DJP (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
"look when i use the word 'kike' i just mean someone who is untrustworthy and greedy. sure it ONCE meant a jewish person but that's not what it means to me"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Paintball is one of these things. We like to laugh and have a good time. That’s our way of life. There are seats for those who are waiting.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
"Heinz 57" is a colloquialism people use to refer to dogs that are no particular breed. I've heard it applied to people, but really, in the US for most people who are white you're generally considered a weirdo if you start picking apart your ancestry in serious conversation.
That is, outside of St. Patrick's Day, when that 1/16th Irish bit of you is incredibly important
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a big mixture of races. I'm white, off-white, eggshell, light beige...
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
I've got some cream inside of me.
― pplains, Monday, 19 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
gross
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
andrew farrell OTM
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/19/fabrice-muamba-twitter-troll-prison
Racist troll plays not-racist bingo.
The court heard Stacey tried to claim his account had been hacked. He also tried to delete his page.
"I don't know why I posted it. I'm not racist and some of my friends are from different cultural backgrounds."
― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
man this whole thing is tragic but now I'm hungry for Heinz 57, does anybody know if that shit has anchovy paste or something, thinking about picking up a bottle just to move this whole racial dialogue forward
― plastic surgery dizbusters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
no anchovies in heinz ketchup afaik
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
somehow, jail time strikes me as an absurdly excessive punishment for not-specifically-threatening racism on twitter, but i'm from the 18th century, so what do i know?
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
i don't expect most to agree with me but i support treating verbal abuse and physical abuse similarly under the law.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
can ILX have a new "Suggest Jail" option plz
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
xp also that article only posted one of the things he said
Jones said other Twitter users criticised Stacey, prompting him to post a series of other offensive and racist comments.
i imagine everything else he said was less tame
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
This is the sauce referred to, I believe:
http://www.netfoodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/heinz57recipe.jpg
― Aimless, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know why I posted it. I'm not racist-"
I'mma stop you right there
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
i have heard other white ppl say they are 'heinz 57' to mean lots of different kinds of europeans in their ancestry
― goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
hope they give this fucker the death penalty!
― frogbs, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm not a racist. I acknowledge that black people exist and that I've had occasion to share the same general geographical space with them. So...case closed, I guess."
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really care about flagging your posts, frogbs, so i'll just remind you that you're tiresome instead.
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
what's the twitter for the guy who got arrested?
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
curious what sort of racist tweeting can get you arrested in the uk
I'm not racist. I have French, German, Scottish friends...
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
i don't care if you're white, white, white, or purple
― Mordy, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really care about flagging your posts, frogbs, so i'll just remind you that you're tiresome instead
imo this kind of posting is much worse than just hitting flag post
― frogbs, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
subtle try, freud
― less of the same (darraghmac), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Like my mom always said, if you can't say something nice about a person... click on the Flag Post link.
― Aimless, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
frog post
― pplains, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/JYVEu.gif
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://savethefrogs.com/art/2009/images/Frog-with-Flag-Michael-John-Kongo.jpg
― frogbs, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
"LOL, Fuck Muamba. He's dead." wasn't the tweet that got the authorities' attention, right? I should certainly hope not. Anyway, what were the tweets that got the cops after him?
― free societies must let drunken gay Texans have sex (Je55e), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, they don't say what the actual offending tweets were. probably for the best that they're not reprinted.
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
"According to the dictionary [the N word] does not mean black. It means a low down, lazy, sorry, low down person. That’s what the N word means."
what dictionary is this???
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
hasn't Elvis Costello argued the same thing? ("Oliver's Army" uses the word but really isn't about black people)
― frogbs, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
― max, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
don't trust elvis costello's cred on this issue
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
no elvis costello is well-known to be a really sensitive, intelligent interrogator of race
― max, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
Woman Is The Low Down, Lazy, Sorry, Low Down Person Of The World
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
hey, has there been discussion on the death o trayvon martin anywhere else on this board?
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Bicentennial Low Down, Lazy, Sorry, Low Down Person Of The World
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
It isn't? Really?
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
thought it was about kids in Ireland? what's your interpretation?
― frogbs, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
re: Trayvon Martin, Florida's "stand your ground" law is incredibly fucked up
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
i've been wondering why trayvon hasn't gotten much talk except for i think a link upthread. doesn't really belong in the "is this racist" thread but i'm sure certain members can come up with a defense of zimmerman.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
the fact that costello specifies "one less white n****r" makes me think... maybe that is not such a racially neutral term?
then again, i'm no elvis costello
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sorry, I was trying to play faux-naif there.
Is there anyone who thought "Oliver's Army" was about black people?
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Karaoke and the "n word"
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
i started a trayvon thread like 20 minutes ago
― max, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.theroot.com/buzz/teacher-student-read-poem-blacker
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
it's probably not worth pondering too hard, but i often wonder what distinction people who say this are trying to draw.
― ryan, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
Elvis Costello putting the word "white" in front of the n-word kind of makes its racial connotations inarguable
― some dude, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
the trayvon story is incredibly fucked up
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Webster's New Racist Dictionary, 15th ed.
― carl agatha, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
the grape soda bit in that story sort of pushes it into chappelle's show territory.
― s.clover, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, what were the tweets that got the cops after him?
those tweets, definitely racist
http://youtu.be/nA5v2eZ5ZZE
― A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF POSTER (onimo), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
welp
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
ah, so that's who Dom was retweeting.
― pplains, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
I've posted a couple of Trayvon Martin bits on FB, but I guess I didn't realize it hadn't been discussed here before. Hugely tragic, and it's going to be rage-making if Zimmerman gets off without even being charged with anything.
― Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
a friend of mine has done the copy for some of the news reports. it's fucking sickening.
when the law was passed a few years ago, most citizens were like "oh, here we go"...and here is the legacy of said law.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
esp when that dickhead used to call the cops over menial shit. like he sounds like an overexcitable neighborhood watch dude that suffers from delusions of grandeur and thinks himself a hero and doesn't realize he created the alleged danger that he 'defended' himself from. wouldn't be surprised if he actually believes he did nothing wrong.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
foul. did not hear about this until now
― Nhex, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
the cops saying that the screams were Zimmerman's. why would a dude with a loaded gun be screaming for help? it doesn't even fit occam's razor, his story.
Hopefully the FBI investigation picks up where our incompetent local Sheriffs failed. not that it will be difficult to do a better job. Sanford cops once took about 10 minutes to respond to an alarm I set off by mistake in a theatre once...when they were located down the street.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
god, that whole thing is so fucking infuriating. the cops "correcting" explicit witness statements saying that martin screamed for help to indicate that it was zimmerman who shouted.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
This guy was a well-intentioned youth with snacks just walking. I got really sad a minute ago, kind of relating that to an ilxor
― mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
Nuke Florida
see like...here's the thing. even IF Zimmerman was telling the truth about being jumped (and I have less than 10% confidence in that)...let's examine the events leading up to this.
You call the cops to report suspicious activity which essentially equates to being a 17 year old boy aimlessly walking about town. You have a gun on you that is loaded (in violation of Neighborhood Watch protocol). You pursue the teen, despite the dispatcher telling you not to do it.
You presumably confront the teen for no reason, the teen reacts aggressively, and you shoot him.
Even in THAT scenario, how can he claim self-defense if he provoked an unnecessary altercation and then shot an unarmed man? Granted I don't believe Zimmerman's version of the story anyway, but it's ridiculous that he thinks his version of events make him look that much better.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago) link
xpost can I at least pack my things before I flee?
sad thing is, my expectations are that after the FBI investigates, Zimmerman still won't be charged...A. because of the ridiculous Florida law, but B. because so much time has passed now since the incident.
I'm sure they'll find all kinds of evidence of neglect on the police department's end and will sharply rebuke them, as well as Zimmerman, but that's gonna mean a whole lotta fuckall . I'm really hoping I'm wrong though.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
an unarmed boy on the sidewalk vs a man in a car -- i can't think of a single situation that would ever require the latter to defend himself. unless driving away unscathed is considered a defensive maneuver.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
At the very least Zimmerman has been named and shamed in the media. Thats... some kind of rough justice at the least? No... it isnt, but you know.
― Medical Dance Crab With Lesson (Trayce), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
There is a chance that, even if the Florida law makes state homicide prosecution impossible (and that is a large if), Fed investigation would lead to charges filed for violations of Trayvon's rights.
Given who posted it, this http://www.theroot.com/buzz/teacher-student-read-poem-blacker was probably gotcha-bait, but I do think it's worth looking at -- there's a fine-line between a genuine interest in dialect and being a dickhead who wonders why we can't have Amos n' Andy anymore. (More Than voiceover dude being one of those dickheads, goddammit.)
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link
xp I bet there are a nontrivial number of people in his neighborhood and nationwide who consider him a hero now. America is actually just that fucked up.
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 09:41 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty sure the teacher who asked to read the poem "blacker" is an ignorant asshole.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
there were definitely a couple of uncomfortable times in high school in which my teachers tried to match eye dialect
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
ah, there's nothing like fielding the "what do your people think of slavery?" question in a high school class
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
And yet, here you are on this thread.
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
in some ways, being a minority in America is a little like having a permanently itchy scab
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
"Is this bumper sticker racist? I know, I'll ask the person of color I know on the Internet."
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
what do your people think of slavery?What the hell are you supposed to say to that? Christ! Singling one kid out to be the group spokesperson for whatever group is just bullshit imo.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
"Personally, I'm against it."
― s.clover, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
pplains u are surely the most enlightened ilxor of us all
― Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Minnesotans?
― mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
"What do your people think of slavery?"
"Actually my people have a thread about that."
mordy, i'm so color blind that I browse ILX with my monitor turned off, just so I can't tell who's posting what.
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
I said, "we think it's bad" and looked at him like he was an idiot
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
Singling one kid out to be the group spokesperson for whatever group is just bullshit imo.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:33 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
my US History teacher asked us to write "raps" about the imperial examination system under the Song dynasty. there was one black kid in the class and he was a really serious fan of hip-hop but the teacher didn't seem to like his performance. whereas me and my partner did some terrible rappin' barney rubble sounding thing and she was like "that was EXACTLY what I was looking for!" idk if that's really racist but it was definitely awful and awkward for everyone involved. I think this is where the teacher's logic broke down: asked us to write "raps" about the imperial examination system under the Song dynasty.
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
I just dry-retched
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
sorry too busy lolling to be outraged
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Still the greatesthttp://www.theonion.com/articles/shakespeare-was-like-the-ultimate-rapper,11161/
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
this happened to me ALL THE TIME pre-high school
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
My father had a brief career as a high school teach in an inner city neighborhood in Memphis. He taught history. (circa. 1970 or so.)
He says that when they'd hit the slavery part of the curriculum, he'd divide the mostly black class up into owners and slaves. He'd put the football player on a box in the middle of the room and have one of the other students try to sell him like they're at an auction. When the "slave" balked at his treatment, my 22-year-old dad would say, "Hey, this is the way it was."
As time has passed since hearing these stories, they sound more and more ridiculous with each year. I finally asked him if he really put black students on boxes and held mock auctions, and he says sure did. Gave the kids a lesson to learn how far in civil rights they had come and how much more they had to go.
Sounds pretty heinous to me, but I never lived in 1970. It's all moot now anyway. Dad gave up being a teacher, moved to Arkansas and sold real estate for the next ten years.
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
he just loved auctions, i guess
― less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
uh speaking of this thread title:
http://www.theonion.com/video/sale-of-bet-to-white-supremacist-group-results-in,27660/
Sale Of BET To White Supremacist Group Results In No Changes To Programming
― goole, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost what did your dad do for the lesson on World War II?
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
goole, this line was even funnier: "and a little turtle gorges an entire raspberry"
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
Putting pressure on kids to 'represent their people' is obviously wrong. At the same time, i can see why teachers would want to try to make discussions of that nature as inclusive as possible and give people from minority backgrounds a prominent voice on topics that might be of particular personal importance to them. It's often done in a well-meaning but ham-fisted way.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
On a related note, has anybody else read Baratunde Thurston's _How to Be Black_? It's his new memoir/how-to and fucking hilarious.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062003216
http://howtobeblack.me/htbborder
He brings up being the only black kid in your class, the only black guy at your job, etc.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:59 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well you see, there were hardly any Jews in that school anymore...
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
just FYI, the teacher who asked me for my opinion on slavery was the football coach who, 10 years earlier, had benched my all-conference running back brother during the parent's day game his senior year when my grandparents were visiting because he was trying to make a terrible white running back into something
he also told a story to the class about how racist his father was by saying he called Martin Luther King Jr an idiot, then held me after class to say "well actually, he said 'nigger'" when no one else was around
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
all this reminds me of that 2000 NYT story on upski
Tuesday dawned muggy. It started badly and got worse. Upski was addressing about 250 students at Evergreen College in Olympia, Wash. Maybe 10 weren't white.He had gathered a panel of half a dozen students. One, Evelyn Aako, was black. Introducing her, he said: ''I don't know her very well, but she's black. And she's going to talk about issues of being black on campus.''Ms. Aako gave him an arch look. ''That was very weird,'' she recalled thinking. ''Like I was a little dark object.''As Upski began talking, the white audience got defensive. One student said: ''Why do we have to talk about race? Why can't we talk about how we're alike?''Ms. Aako was getting disgusted. Finally she told Upski: ''I've been sitting here with an uncomfortable feeling in my stomach about how you introduced me. I felt tokenized and on display. This follows a tradition where black people serve as entertainment for white people. That's not what I do.''Upski said: ''I screwed up. But what can we do? The world is screwed up.''Some white students were looking irritated. One said: ''Can't we hear Upski talk? We can talk about race later.''A black student said: ''What do you mean later? We never talk about race.''Some whites left. Virtually all the students of color followed. Before leaving, Ms. Aako said, ''It's not my job to educate you.''Later, Upski sounded no less confident of his ability to stimulate change. But perhaps, he said, he needed to refine his approach.''I think the main thing that keeps white people from growing is they're afraid to look bad,'' he said. ''So I preach to mess up. One of my blind spots at Evergreen was that Evelyn wasn't going to trust me, that black people and white people, we're still at war.''
He had gathered a panel of half a dozen students. One, Evelyn Aako, was black. Introducing her, he said: ''I don't know her very well, but she's black. And she's going to talk about issues of being black on campus.''
Ms. Aako gave him an arch look. ''That was very weird,'' she recalled thinking. ''Like I was a little dark object.''
As Upski began talking, the white audience got defensive. One student said: ''Why do we have to talk about race? Why can't we talk about how we're alike?''
Ms. Aako was getting disgusted. Finally she told Upski: ''I've been sitting here with an uncomfortable feeling in my stomach about how you introduced me. I felt tokenized and on display. This follows a tradition where black people serve as entertainment for white people. That's not what I do.''
Upski said: ''I screwed up. But what can we do? The world is screwed up.''
Some white students were looking irritated. One said: ''Can't we hear Upski talk? We can talk about race later.''
A black student said: ''What do you mean later? We never talk about race.''
Some whites left. Virtually all the students of color followed. Before leaving, Ms. Aako said, ''It's not my job to educate you.''
Later, Upski sounded no less confident of his ability to stimulate change. But perhaps, he said, he needed to refine his approach.
''I think the main thing that keeps white people from growing is they're afraid to look bad,'' he said. ''So I preach to mess up. One of my blind spots at Evergreen was that Evelyn wasn't going to trust me, that black people and white people, we're still at war.''
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Wu-Tang Clan announces the name of their sixth studio album: The Imperial Examination System under the Song Dynasty
― dayo, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost he held you after class to tell you that? ffffuuuu
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
our 7th grade social studies class did the "slave auction" thing too, like if you got "bought" you had to carry people's books around for the week.
the social studies teacher was the HS wrestling coach.
the weird thing was that he gave you fake monopoly money to "buy" your slaves with if you had been selected as part of the slave owning part of the class...but he used a photocopier to put Willie Nelson's head on the fake dollar bills where george washington would be
he was a really big willie nelson fan
― konybrony (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
looooool
― dayo, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
im kind of glad i cant remember any racist shit my teachers did
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
I gotta go home, but I just found the best site:
http://celebrity-cash.com/catalog/images/willie_nelson.jpghttp://celebrity-cash.com/catalog/images/hank_williams_jr.jpghttp://celebrity-cash.com/catalog/images/oprah.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
sorry that wasn't US History obviously, that was World History
crucial difference
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
haha that's not far off, but it was a willie shot w/the iconic headband and braids i think
― konybrony (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
Given who posted it, this http://www.theroot.com/buzz/teacher-student-read-poem-blacker was probably gotcha-bait, but I do think it's worth looking at
WTF man
― the late great, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
tip o the hat to you crut
― terrible rappin' barney rubble sounding thing (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
fyi some ppl are saying the teacher in the Root article was black... Still racist?
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
feel like ANY teacher telling a black student he's not acting black enough for the class falls under the racism umbrella
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
omg you guys I just remembered
my high school staged The Wiz but did a "redneck" version instead of a "black" version because the cast was almost all white
it was as inadvisable as you could imagine
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
The Cheez Wiz
― ffun. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:33 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what if the poem is deliberately written in black dialect, and the teacher & student are both black? "racism" doesn't seem like the best word to describe the dynamic...
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
i would say the teacher had a poor choice of words
instead of saying "read more black" she should have just said "read it in the voice it's written in"
when the kid asked if the teacher thought all black people spoke that way she should have answered the question instead of telling him to sit down and shut up
― the late great, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
and the poem IS deliberately written in *a* black vernacular, not *the* black vernacular
― the late great, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
I remember heads turning towards me once in fourth grade when the Holocaust got mentioned and I was the only Jewish kid in class. My teacher, who was black, expressed sympathy, and recalled the same thing happening to her when slavery came up.
So yeah tokenization sucks. Though perhaps it didn't help that for years my parents came in to class around the holidays so we could explain Hanukah to people. Though on the other hand I had to put up with Christmas carols being sung in class like everybody cared about that holiday as recently as 11th grade.
Ok back to actual racism instead of me perpetrating the War on Christmas.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
What so I should read "Ulysses" in a comedy oirish accent then?
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
Sadly I had a lot of teachers with exactly this attitude, ALL the time.
Not the black thing, the "dont question me, stfu" thing.
i've always had trouble spotting the lines between simple insensitivity, prejudice and racism
luckily there's usually a helpful white person around to sort it out for me
― the late great, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
It's probably a sign of my inner malignancy that I think this is a hilarious idea.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
Jakers! meets Ulysses
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
Re the redneck Wiz:
I played Harriet Tubman in a third grade school play. The two black girls in my class played slaves whom I helped to freedom. One teacher suggested I do this in blackface but somebody thankfully intervened. This play aired on local television.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
trayce only the Stephen parts are read that way, leopold should be done in Mel brooks' voice
― the late great, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
comedy Shane McGowan impression also acceptable
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
jakers otm
― less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
shane mcgowan has a london accent iirc but i mean who can tell tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSahS9k9zqw
― less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
― less of the same (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 08:58 (56 minutes ago)
booming p btw
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
:)
― less of the same (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
No. Only Shakespeare should be read in a comedy oirish accent.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
Singling one kid out to be the group spokesperson for whatever group is just bullshit imo.― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:33 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxp2fzAqAJ1r9zsizo1_500.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
BIG HOOS w/the tumblr white perspective
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
Suddenly I am very embarrased to own that tshirt >:|
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
blame the glasses imo
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:48 (twelve years ago) link
Why do you have a shirt asking for Black perspective on that proposal?
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
hahah I know I was kind of , whoa Tracye, on that at first
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
that's like the 00s version of wayne and garth
― the late great, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
the reboot if you will
Guy on the left is p cute; I'm going to assume he was never asking a dumb superimposed question.
― Marilyn Hagerty: the terroir of tiny town (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
on of my coworkers has started using the term 'canadians' when referring to black ppl. i know it's racist bc he does it when he wants to say something racist about black ppl, but i don't know where it comes from. is there some piece of popular media he got it from or is this his own invention?
― Mordy, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
Derived from Geoffrey Canada, maybe?
― AnnieHalldonia (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
If that's the case, it makes the usage feel somehow doubly heinous.
― AnnieHalldonia (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
Hasn't the "Canadians" thing been brought up before?
― Number None, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
It's an old restaurant worker meme. I'm sure if you wanted to Google "black people" Canadians, something would show up. (besides pictures of Rick Fox.)
― pplains, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I've read it on here in a t*pping thread or 'share your terrible table waiting experiences' thread
― Cantera: Vulgar Display Of Puyol (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
the same colleague passed around the office yesterday a picture that one of our contractors sent him of Reagan petting the monkey from Bedtime for Bonzo with some racist Obama joke attached to it.
i kno, i kno whiney. this doesn't fit the exact parameters of the thread. don't tase me, bro.
― Mordy, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
Seems like there's enough of a smoking gun there to get the guy disciplined?
― pplains, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
It's an old restaurant worker meme.
Yes, still in use (in the US south at least) c. 2003 when I last waited tables.
― carl agatha, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
ask him if he has a funny euphemism for jewish people and then set his desk on fire
― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
Does he complain about how the mexicans are controlling the media?
― (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 22 March 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
uh no question about this one
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
like, how can that even be real
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
From the fine folks who also brought youhttp://marginallyinsane.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/abercrombie1.jpg
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
the fuck
― Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I remember that. guess they didn't learn their lesson? who's in charge of QC over there
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
guys
― max, Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
omg not that shit again
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.abercrombie-and-fitchoutlet.com/ is probably not the real abercrombie site
― max, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
GREAT DEALS ON A&F ONLINE STORENothing Can Be Better Than Wearing AbercrombieWe involve all kinds of A&F clothing and accessories. I believe you will have an amazing shopping trip here with our best service from Abercrombie & Fitch online shop!
― max, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
huh weird
max are you saying the whole thing is spoofed/pirate?
xp yeah well i guess so
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Abercrombie And Fitch, as we know, is a famous brand mainly specialized in trendy and casual clothing, which can be said that the new century, representatives of youth fashion. A&F is the favorite brand of American college students, a lovely deer printed on the front of the youth fashion. Its fashion and personalized style always the certain reason some youngsters follow. Nowadays, Abercrombie and Fitch piracy in China has spread to unimaginable proportions. Soft cotton is comfortable in the apparel. Abercrombie clothing reversing the perception of sports and leisure apparel bulky through fitting version of model lines, so that casual scent with the stylish, sexy bedrock.
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
^^ http://www.abercrombie-and-fitchoutlet.com/about-us.html/
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
max otm. dunno who that is, but not the real thing.
― s.clover, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
we had a whole thread on a couch with that particular color brown!
i think we determined it came from chinese manufacturers still using a pretty ancient UK industrial color lexicon via HK. iirc.
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
^^ laughing at engrish R or NR?
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
a lovely deer printed on the front of the youth fashion
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
i don't class that as engrish at all
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of, what do y'all think of the "Chinese Woman" Seinfeld episode? I'm not really sure if it's offensive or not though it basically revolves around the "yellow fever" concept without saying it directly
― frogbs, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
more akin to using the term 'oriental' and wondering why people are getting upset.
elmo otm
― a lovely deer printed on the front of the youth fashion. (crüt), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
best part of that "about us" text is this admission nonchalantly slipped into the middle of it: "Nowadays, Abercrombie and Fitch piracy in China has spread to unimaginable proportions."
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
well A&F has a history of race problems for sure, especially in terms of hiring practices iirc
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
goole - i was referring to myself posting the "about us" text for laughs, not the name of the pants
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
i was too slow posting so it looked like the ^^ was pointing at you instead of at myself
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Shakey Mo str8 posting racist internet memes, uncool use of thread imo
― action bronieson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
shit, i'd never seen that abercrombie pirate site, so news to me. fact that it's apparently chinese ESL does make it different in kind from most of the other stuff on this thread, tho.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/sofa.asp
― dayo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Racial slur on sofa label stuns family
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/a2UUC.jpg
― bnw, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
PLESIDENTIAL ERECTION 2K8
― dayo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ilooklikebarackobama.com/
― Ⓣⓗⓐⓝⓚ。:.゚ヽ(。☉౪ ⊙♡)ノ゚.:。+゚ Ⓨⓞⓤ☆ (cozen), Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ilooklikebarackobama.com/images/facegraph.jpg
― Ⓣⓗⓐⓝⓚ。:.゚ヽ(。☉౪ ⊙♡)ノ゚.:。+゚ Ⓨⓞⓤ☆ (cozen), Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM&feature=related
i don't know what to do with this
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
file it w/your latepass?
― Ⓣⓗⓐⓝⓚ。:.゚ヽ(。☉౪ ⊙♡)ノ゚.:。+゚ Ⓨⓞⓤ☆ (cozen), Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
sick burn, dude
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
Quick, shallow take on that vid (w/ lots of room for error):
Budding british drama student. Immature. Working class. Most of what he's saying is based in how he talks on the phone with his buddies (hence the frequent profanity), but it's all mashed up with bad tv drama and crappy stereotypes.
― Aimless, Friday, 23 March 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
idk how much of that is extemporized but assuming most of it is semirehearsed spiel based on knowledge of bad films its p impressive, scottish one is probably the worst
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 23 March 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
thank you, cozen
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 23 March 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
I really like his regular accent. It reminds me of how Robert Smith talks.
― free societies must let drunken gay Texans have sex (Je55e), Friday, 23 March 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
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― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 March 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
this headline is o_O
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/22/opinion/granderson-florida-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Friday, 23 March 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
Doesn't display properly. But the CNN header is "Opinion: Black People Distrust Police"
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Friday, 23 March 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
honestly that is one of LZ Granderson's more lucid pieces
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 23 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
header when i load it is "Why black people don't trust the police"
― brokering (pimping) (stevie), Friday, 23 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings
mentioned in that piece
this fucking country
― dayo, Friday, 23 March 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that situation was fucking enraging
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 23 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
wow. i'm gonna assume that was covered in Treme
― Nhex, Friday, 23 March 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIvSeIdxX8s
― dayo, Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:24 (twelve years ago) link
There was a Frontline story on Danzingerhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/case-six-danziger-bridge/
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 March 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://jezebel.com/5896408/racist-hunger-games-fans-dont-care-how-much-money-the-movie-made
kind of lol but mostly sad
― dayo, Monday, 26 March 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
not even really lol
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
kind of sad but mostly infuriating
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
not even a shred of lol tbh
xposts DJP otm
― Hungry4Games (crüt), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
"LOL, all these kids are growing up to be racist monsters"
― Hungry4Games (crüt), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
both times collins describes rue physically, she says the same thing -- brown skin, resembles prim in size and demeanor. same words both time. bad writing, but it's explicit and she makes sure to point out that she ONLY resembles prim in size and demeanor.
cinna's only described by his clothes and makeup, so these people are literally getting mad that the film didn't reach inside their head and extract the assumption they made about his skin color. the ridiculous thing is that lenny kravitz was probably the best casting decision they made. i've never said this about him, but he was perfect. he totally embodies the tranquility and sincerity of the character. people suck.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
revoke their entertainment privileges imo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Rue and Thresh's skin is described not even simply as "brown", but "dark brown." And Cinna is described as brown, too, IIRC.
― free societies must let drunken gay Texans have sex (Je55e), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'm just imagining the children of the corn fantasy world which these readers must be imagining when they read the books, also giving the gasface towards the people who are saying the movie should have "stuck to the book"
― dayo, Monday, 26 March 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
xp I don't think his skin is described -- only that he has green eyes, brown hair, and gold eyeliner.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
p sure 90% of the readers just imagined tim gunn
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Or that Tom guy from Queer Eye
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPao2yjRk4
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^ vid not racist
― Aimless, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
God fucking dammit that hunger games thing is so depressing to me
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
you guys, that has been going on for months since the casting was first announced
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
can't speak for anybody else but I'm p. sure I've never clicked through to any article whose title was any variant of "______ cast to play role of ________" - like, even if I give a shit, all my questions will have been answered by the time I'm done reading the article's title
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah in any case this is fucking depressing stuff
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
yes, but its kind of infuriating that jezebel and other places are stirring the shit up AGAIN. like, it was maybe noteworthy the first time, but STOP giving voice to these morons.
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
eh, I sort of get that, but in the wake of the Treyvon Martin shooting I don't think it's actually a bad idea to point out exactly how baseline racist US society is
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
fair point, i suppose
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
I agree, in theory, but i'm not sure how well posting the tweets of thirteen-year-old morons does that. Millions of people will have read the books or seen the film, some of them are going to be racist jackasses. It's difficult to ascertain how large a percentage they form.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
how are jezebel and other places the ones stirring up shit, rather than the people actually saying the shit
"let's just ignore it and it'll go away" has proven to be a p ineffective strategy
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 26 March 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Why do you have to keep telling me that people think racist things? If we just talked less about it, it'd go away!
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
most fucked up part are the ppl who think that Rue not being white ruins the idea of the character, aka a shy, quiet, innocent naif type. bc what? black ppl can't be those things?????
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I agree w/ DJP and zachlyon - "it's 2012 and racism is fixed!" is a p common argument that needs to be shot down
― dayo, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
american teens betrayed, deceived, tricked into caring about fictional black people
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
I blame liberal hollyweird
― mh, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
lenny kravitz is in this fucking thing? lol.it is weird that anyone would care what color the characters would be in a fiction adaptation in any case. like, what's the goddamn point? they don't match the images in your head?book is sitting by my bed, it is pretty dire 20 pages in.
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
I am perfectly happy with Lenny Kravitz being in movies and not inflicting his music on us anymore.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
xp i have learnt recently that despite the truism that the book is always better than the movie, this is actually not always the case. cf game of thrones.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
i am learning that by reading goThrones now! i am like three unnecessary paragraphs away from just jumping to book two
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
I agree w/zachlyon that Kravitz was an inspired choice!
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
in the wake of the Treyvon Martin shooting I don't think it's actually a bad idea to point out exactly how baseline racist US society is
OTMFM
― One of my faverit moive ever!!!! XD (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
xxp for GoT i recommend a) just watching the tv show b) if you must read ahead, read the wiki summaries of the books
― Mordy, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
hm. i think i'm gonna wait to watch season 2 until it's all on the tivo. That worked well for season 1, might as well.
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
it is weird that anyone would care what color the characters would be in a fiction adaptation in any case. like, what's the goddamn point? they don't match the images in your head?
... yeah, that's kind of the point there, yeah.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
exactly - for example, seeing Ford Prefect portrayed by Mos Def was kind of a shock, since I remembered the book describing him as a tall, proper Englishman, sort of the antithesis of cool
obviously it all matters very little, though I do think the Asian community complaining about the movie 21 had a point, since in that case their ethnicity actually did matter in the story
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
seems like kind of a dumb point! don't go see the movie if you want to see things the way you see them!
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
There's this thing, right, called Harry Potter...
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Actually that's not fair, but there's definitely this thing called Lord of the Rings.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
here's a dirty little secret: i never liked the lotr gollum design, looked nothing like what I thought he should be
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
just to head off another 40 posts of people missing the point, the problem isn't people getting irritated at characters in a movie based on a book not looking like how they imagined them (because this will happen in every movie based on a book) but people thinking that a character being black when they didn't expect them to be black ruined the movie because they are huge racists
― future worm food (n/a), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
oh well in that case fuck em
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
it is weird that anyone would care what color the characters would be in a fiction adaptation in any case
not very weird that readers project their own race onto (sparely described) characters as a means of identifying w/ them, i guess? but it is sad and stupid that race is a commonly accepted shorthand for character types / traits. america, fwiw.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
america, fwiw.
not much, apparently
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
article drops a nice spoiler btw
― bnw, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
just to head off another 40 posts of people missing the point
No no this is shocking, I was totally unaware that was what was going on here.
xpost - except maybe forks and elmo are actually unaware? - it's not that people project their race onto generic fictional characters which sucks but is probably not going anywhere any time soon, it's the twin poles of "I overlooked that Thresh was black" and "I really liked Cinna so he can't be black", and especially their intersection in "But Rue is supposed to be nice and good and so I will ignore and indeed agrily deny that she's explicitly not white in the book"
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
that's basically what elmo is saying
― future worm food (n/a), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
as i read him anyways
not to be faux naive but the idea of somebody rejecting a fictional character based on their skin color is just too ludicrous for me to take seriously
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
this would all be easier if we could see their birth certificates
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 26 March 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
I think this nails it. It's not the projection, it's the rage and betrayal. It's fucking awful, really.
― carl agatha, Monday, 26 March 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
All these people are basically saying is that they can't identify with -- or sympathize with or be emotionally involved with -- a black character like they could with a white character -- even when they are the SAME fucking character portrayed in two different media. I think that's pretty racist.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, putting aside that they willfully disregarded the description of the character's race to begin with
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
Even if these are like 12-14 year olds tweeting this shit, that's a fine age at which to be horrifically shamed about saying asshole racist stuff.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
OTM. even absent any overt rage at the betrayal, an awful lot of people seem to be saying that they're outright incapable of caring about or feeling sympathy for a black character. maybe i'm naive, but that's shocking to me.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
if you must read ahead, read the wiki summaries of the books
this is insane
― Number None, Monday, 26 March 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know about that. Kids of that age committing crimes would be granted some sort of anonymity, usually, it seems a bit off to be shaming them nationally for this when it would be easy enough to blank out their names.
My objection isn't so much their age, though, it's the inherent confirmation bias involved in scouring Twitter for objectionable material and then writing it up as a news story. It doesn't matter if it's "actress + racial epithet", "i'd let Chris Brown beat me" or "Muamba + LOL", or whatever, you're going to uncover some nasty people saying nasty things whatever you go looking for. It's horrible and depressing but doesn't, in itself, demonstrate much about society.
The earlier stories about Hunger Games communities online being split over the casting had more to go on than simply reproducing the tweets of random idiots.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 26 March 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
at some point confirmation bias is overwhelmed by, well, confirmation
we have probably reached that point with this
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
Possibly, but i'm not sure there's much of a sense of that from the article. The difficulty with this approach is that it's impossible to tell how widespread a viewpoint the individuals are representing. The film has got great reviews, took tonnes of money and the stars have been widely praised in the fan communities. How many racist idiots does it take to tip the balance towards it having a negative reception?
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
that's a fair question, but in this case i think it's appropriate to draw attention to the blatant racism, regardless of how many or how few people are promoting it
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
Absolutely. The casting, and the (frequently racist) reaction to it, is definitely something that needed to be discussed. I think it was pretty well analysed before the film was released, though, and i'm not sure what this particular article adds.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
i think the point is that it is p much always worthwhile to call attention to how casually racism has been adopted by horrible youth?
like ok i guess an article pointing out that some idiots on twitter are racist is obvious or subject to confirmation bias (btw who cares) but that's ok because the problem with the world isn't that there are too many articles about racists, it's that there are fucking racists
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
like, you say that the casting and reaction to it was "something that needed to be discussed" as it is now an issue that has been covered, accounted for, sorted. that might make sense if it was the casting of a dumb movie that was the actual issue---it wasn't, and the real problem is extant and ongoing.
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
this is wackily wrong, i never understand the sentiment. it only makes sense when you're limiting yourself to remember the classic novel adaptations and not like, 80% of adaptations that make a decent movie out of a forgettable book or story (the godfather! gone with the wind! shawshank redemption? l.a. confidential? etc)
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
anyway back to racism
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Monday, March 26, 2012 5:15 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think this is silly too; it does matter. even if thresh and rue were written in the novels as white, people still wouldn't have a right to complain about casting them black. whitewashing happens all the gd time and there are already much fewer roles available to POC (and those roles are typically stereotypical/one-dimensional). reversing the trend isn't a bad thing. and adding mos def to a movie is always a good idea (i hope i'm not the lone be kind rewind fan here).
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
LA Confidential book is sweaty thrillride, movie is a damp piece of shit
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
in this weird case, mos def's american imperialism dominates, like if will smith was cast as james bond.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
actually, is mos def canadian?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
― Mumblr tights (symsymsym), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
twitter definitely makes it easier to document racist reactions.
― Mumblr tights (symsymsym), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
pity. canadian/australian usurping of brit roles would be acceptable.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
i love the l.a. confidential movie but the point is ppl don't realize there are a lot of good book-to-film adaptations simply because they don't realize how many movies are based on books
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
russell crowe & guy pearce also do very good non-american performances in it.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
giggling a bit at the idea of canadian mos def tbh
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
mos dehf
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
There it is.
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link
kudos
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
the point is ppl don't realize there are a lot of good book-to-film adaptations simply because they don't realize how many movies are based on books
the point is LA Conf is a signal example of a packed, bustling book being made into a dull, dumb movie, you pwned yourself
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
Now this is an oddly timed subject: Lady on the flight next to me into boston here was reading LA Conf the entire way.
(I, on the other hand, finished a collection of Batman Confidential reprints)
Quite exciting, I know
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
Also, Whilce Portacio's art hasn't exactly improved over the years
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
white jazz should be a movie but its totally unfilmable
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
God its been a loooooooooong time since I came across the name 'Whilce Portacio'
― dies irate (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
say it quickly and it's like laughing
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
didn't he go back to the Philippines for like 10 years and become a dentist?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
xp I'm not sure I know how to pronounce it correctly!
― dies irate (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
Lenny Kravitz is v. v. pretty
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
kind of can't believe there are straight women who aren't attracted to him, he should break through all kinds of anti-black and anti-Jewish bigotry
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
like "whyce" iirc
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
not in my experience! one of my fav 90s movies precisely because i can never stop watching it once it comes on cable. (dumb maybe, but not dull.) it's also very pretty.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 05:37 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, i'd agree if the article was showing that this is something that was transparently much, much bigger than the sample size it looked at. It may well be but showing that there are at least eight prejudiced kids on Twitter doesn't necessarily expose the baseline racism of America.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
In August 2000, Portacio fell into a diabetic coma as a result of a failing pancreas. He woke up a week later, thirty pounds lighter, and unable to walk, stand or even draw. Only six months later was he able to pick up a pencil and draw. According to his blog, "My mind could see what I wanted to draw but my hand couldn't accomplish it."[6]
In 2006, Portacio returned to his artistic duties at Wildstorm on Wetworks vol. 2, which was being written by Mike Carey. Unfortunately, Portacio's reputation for being unable to maintain a steady work schedule caught up with him again as Wetworks vol. 2 suffered from numerous delays and Portacio ended up leaving the book with issue #6, but he continues to illustrate cover art monthly since leaving as the book's interior artist.[citation needed] The new Wetworks series was short-lived though, lasting only 15 issues. He also began art duties on the new monthly DC Comics series Batman Confidential.
http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/Batman%20Rules%20of%20Engagement%20Andy%20Diggle%20Whilce%20Portacio%20and%20Richard%20Friend.jpg
the way he did bruce wayne's face always seems so off
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 06:37 (twelve years ago) link
Also, speaking of filmic adaptions of books, can I just say that it drives me nuts that my dad the retired English teacher favors the first two Harry Potter films the best, since they were the "closest" to the books in that Chris Columbus pretty much just had the cast reading the book line by line onscreen? I mean, really, effing Alfonso Cuaron did the third flick, and he goes for the drab Columbus ones.
Note that this is a piece with my father's rather clueless and hilariously reactionary political stances, so there you have it.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 06:41 (twelve years ago) link
Whilce looks like such a friendly chap in the pic on his Wiki page tbh
― dies irate (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 07:06 (twelve years ago) link
Also presumably it was made clear to Chris Columbus that Home Alone or no Home Alone, if he tried anything "interesting" with the first two Harry Potter films, he'd never work in this town again.
Vague relevance to this thread = the awesome decision to cast Cho Chang as scottish, increasing her dimensions to 2.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 09:42 (twelve years ago) link
Yes!
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/320219/20120327/hunger-games-movie-racist-tweets-twitter-racism.htm
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
racist-tweets-twitter-racism
― Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/LvEaB.jpg
what was your first reaction?a) i wonder if that's factually correct, it could be an interesting pointb)the guy who made that image is slyly pushing his racist agenda
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HPBwSUFaL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― buzza, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1kgroh2z11qzetw0o1_500.jpg
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
got to be weird knowing you are the image of "ok to murder"
― bnw, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
ha, right? like you wake up one morning and you're the killable meme.
― Lil T the Bowed Jet (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
truth brought to you by [adult swim]
― Nhex, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
from what i heard it somewhat reminded me of a case that happened in my neck of the woodhttp://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Fredy_Villanueva>some (20?)kids were playing dice in a park>police arrives and talk to one of em who had a warrant >they restrained him roughly/got in a scruffle>his brother apparently tried to defend him/ tried to steal the cop's gun that was in it's holster/never got closer than a couple of feets from the cop: contradicting testimonies.>cop felt threatened and shot him 4 times , kid died.
in both cases death could have been avoided if the gun toter would just have menaced the kid. it would have been even better if they would have talked to know each other if they didn't already, but that's not the job of a vigilante anyway.
― Sébastien, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
Amazing comment on an article about Britain's jailed Twitter racist:
"timwookey
12 minutes ago
I tell racist jokes all the time.Although I am still unclear as to whether that makes me a racist."
― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.asianryrics.com
― dayo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
(apologies to whiney in advance)
― dayo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
Search artistSearch songConfucius say
― Oat Drink (crüt), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
it hurts to imagine the work someone put into making that one note joke
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
Registrant: Janez Kranjc Brilejeva 3 Ljubljana, 1117 Slovenia
― Oat Drink (crüt), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
btw, I've been remembering this one a bunch lately, as long as we're on the topic: http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Toys_%22L%22_Us
"Behind the laughter EditIt's an obvious parody of the Toys "R" Us toy stores. The letter "L" was chosen to make fun of the stereotype that Asians cannot distinguish "L" and "R" sounds."
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
Really shocked that the writers of simpsons.wikia.com don't understand the definition of the word "parody"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
© 2011 Asian Ryrics | Bass Tabs
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 30 March 2012 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://ihopericksantorum.tumblr.com/post/20159110534/we-know-the-candidate-barack-obama-what-he-was
rolling "is that what i think he said" thread
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:18 (eleven years ago) link
there isn't "holy fuck" enough in the world for that
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:54 (eleven years ago) link
well the fact that he said it rates like a 2 on the "holy fuck" scale, but the fact that he said it into a microphone...
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Friday, 30 March 2012 07:00 (eleven years ago) link
I can't see what other word he can claim to have been going for.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Friday, 30 March 2012 07:35 (eleven years ago) link
"negotiator" seems to be the comment-box apologist's choice
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 07:48 (eleven years ago) link
I actually buy "negotiator" more than that "blah people" nonsense as it kinda almost makes sense, but damn, abandoning that word in midstream was idiotic. It's great to see Republicans hoisted by their own "teleprompters are Communist" petard anyway.
― Three Word Username, Friday, 30 March 2012 08:26 (eleven years ago) link
exactly, I mean I think Santorum's an idiot too, but no way did he mean to singlehandedly destroy his campaign right there
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure he's just in it for the lulz right now
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
who pronounces 'negotiator' with a hard g?
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
wait what?
― Oat Drink (crüt), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
i pronounce it that way. is that racist?
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
do you say "nejotiator"?
nejotiateur
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
NIGOSHEATOR
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of swallow the g a lil' like I'm saying 'go'
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not getting the phonemes down but I wouldn't pronounce the 'g' in negotiator in the way that santorum said it
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone really think he meant to say THAT WORD
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
what, negotiator? I don't think he was trying to say negotiator.
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
why? because you dislike Santorum? I mean neither really make sense but, c'mon man, really?
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
^^ posts very much in character
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
oh man
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
i mean maybe santorum is just particularly prone to stumbling over words but uhhh you don't just stumble over something that sounds like 'nig' and just leave it there dude
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
i'm with frogs on the this one; santorum has a long history of saying the dumbest possible thing but i really doubt he meant to throw out a racial slur during a campaign rally. he's hardly a bright public speaker though and i bet he heard what "negotiator" might sound like coming out of his mouth and did a panic move.what a maroon.
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
"nattering nabobs of nig... uhh... negativism"
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
forks, in what universe does the word 'negotiator' sound like the n-word
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
i'm with frogs on the this one
on the racism thread, you are with frogs
just wanna help you walk this one back a little man
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
I really don't understand how you pronounce negotiator, dayo.
― emil.y, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
emil.y I place the emphasis on the vowel sound and not the consonant
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
i really don't understand how you pronounce 'go'!
― ledge, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
for me its not so much the pronunciation that is so damning, its the way he bailed so quickly
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
I was just trying to point out that there's a difference between the pronunciation of 'g' and 'gg' - like the diff between tiger and trigger. maybe other people don't do that but I do. like if you purposely emphasized the two syllables in trigger you'd go trig-ger whereas in tiger you'd go ti-ger.
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
what
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
do people usually make Freudian slips in places where they make no grammatical sense? I mean let's say he actually did say "anti-war government n!@##%$@#$!", what would that even mean?
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
on the racism thread, you are with frogsjust wanna help you walk this one back a little man
*furiously F5's EXCELSIOR thread*
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
late reports clarify that rick perry's family hunting grounds were actually named 'negotiatorhead'
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
I would split trigger as tri-ger, as I'm pretty sure would all the dictionaries. Double consonants are not separable.
― jpattzlovevampz 2 hours ago (Phil D.), Friday, 30 March 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
well okay! I concede the point.
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
I just want to point out that the IPA symbol for the g in both of these words is exactly the same. Given that IPA is a universal phoneatic representation of how to pronounce words, that probably explains why no one is getting what you are talking about.
Also, the two syllables of "trigger" are "trigg-" and "-er".
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
dayo srs. q do you speak mandarin or cantonese regularly? wonder if syllabic rules might have you thinking about ~words~ different
meanwhile for Santorum's veep I nominate Michael Richards
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
Double consonants are not separable.]
I was going to comment about nu and gamma assimilating into a single gamma in Latin but I went to check my thinking which led me to a book The Mystery of the Serpent Mound which is about some bizarre new age alphabet theories around some geological formation and is published by Frog Books so yknow wheels w/in wheels everybody
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
so wait, did santorum call Obama a horse?
― pplains, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
Does "anti-war government negotiator" makes sense in context?
I assume he didn't mean to come out with a racist slur either but it's a stretch.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
that doesn't make much sense either but as least there's a coherent phrase there to mangle
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
It's not a phrase Google would have returned a single result for prior to this morning. I can only assume he lost his train of thought and was mixing his points up - "anti-war, big government, negotiate with enemies" - and just mashed it into one thing.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
"anti-war" doesn't make sense
― Oat Drink (crüt), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
right, I think he just realized he wasn't making sense at the worst possible time
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
i'm from the american south. saying "negotiator" as "nigosheeatuh" is hardly a stretch.and yeah, what sharivari said. dude is not well known for clarity of speech or thought
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
i'm with frogs on the this one; santorum has a long history of saying the dumbest possible thing but i really doubt he meant to throw out a racial slur during a campaign rally.
i doubt that he consciously meant to say the n-word, but i'm not certain he didn't just sort of slip into it in the heat of the rhetorical moment, at least in his own mind. like i don't think he got tripped up by the phonetic similarity of one word to the other. he got tripped up by what he was thinking. plus it sounds lot more like "nig" than "neg". the difference isn't in the pronunciation of the 'g', but of the vowel.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
plus it sounds lot more like "nig" than "neg"
i'd say "negate" with a "nig". but "negative" with a "neg". "negotiate" can go either way.
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw, philly accent (of which i am proud owner), i pronounce 'negotiator' as 'ni-go-shi-ate-er.'
― Mordy, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
like i pronounce the first syllable of the n-word and the first syllable of negotiator the exact same way
― Mordy, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
^ negoti-ist
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
/nɪˈgoʊʃiˌeɪt/
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea what he meant to say and honestly i'd like to think the worst of him (i have hated him for a very long time) so it's very easy for me to believe that he was about to say the n-word. but i thought some intimate info about philly speech patterns might be relevant to the discussion
― Mordy, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of feel that when you have so much stuff to throw at Santorum that is true and overt and clear, why try to slam him with something ambiguous?
― emil.y, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
exactly. let's hoist the dude by his overt bullshit not "i bet he's a secret racist"
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
hmmm
butI dont get is why he dropped the word midphoneme if he was just trying to say "negotiate"?
― what is a dog-robber? (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 30 March 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
because he is an idiot?
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, Occam's Razor etc
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
the thing that's funny is, these guys have been pushing so much "secret Muslim!" garbage for so long & have crawled so far down the Look At It Upside Down It's A Pyramid ZOMG Masons!!! tunnel that something like this is sorta perfect. Own medicine imo
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, March 30, 2012 11:06 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
not at this point in my life but I did growing up!
I mean I never learned formal rules about pronunciation - I'm just trying to figure out what word santorum was trying to say by running it through my head. I will say that I probably tend to emphasize vowel sounds more than consonant sounds in general though.
― dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
i'm ok just assuming he said the slur no matter what because there is a 100% chance he uses it in private regularly, come on now.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
I can totally get behind this viewpoint
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, not so much for me for reasons touched on in the batshit right-wing cartoon thread:
He rolls out another classic in his defence of the Sandra Fluke cartoon:it struck me as deliciously ironic that many of the tolerant, compassionate liberals who took issue with my supposedly portraying Miss Fluke as a “slut” and “prostitute”, and with my lack of civility, did so by calling me every vulgar name in the book and making death threats against me― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:09 AM (Yesterday) this strain of 'you're no better than me' rhetoric is so flaccid and lazy and gross, the worst type of trolling imho― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:00 PM (Yesterday)
this strain of 'you're no better than me' rhetoric is so flaccid and lazy and gross, the worst type of trolling imho― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:00 PM (Yesterday)
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
that argument has nothing to do with the "what goes around comes around" point aero is making...?
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
"serves you right" is a cousin to "you're no better than me" imo
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
one is "allowing sexism when you don't like your opponent"; it's loathsome. the other is like some guy at a party sells you .5 g & it turns out to be talcum powder but then you get to sell it back to him at a profit + he dies so fuck that guy
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
damn, you roll hard like that huh
― 1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
um... yeah i don't know. i'm kinda with forks on this one, it's not worth it
― Nhex, Friday, 30 March 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
that's fine, more schadenfreude for the rest of us
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
extraordinary claims of loathesome stupidity demand extraordinary proof.
it's rick santorum
qed isnt that enough?
― low-rise concentration camps (Hunt3r), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrzjj4pBeL1qg5h33o1_500.gif
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
gonna say not racist
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
never really played goldeneye either.
― pplains, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
the joke is his haircut has a weird line in the front
― the late great, Friday, 6 April 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
it's really more of an arc than a line
― del griffith, Friday, 6 April 2012 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
black friend tells me black ppl love making fun of other black ppl's hairlines, so prob not racist
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
So Black:Ninetendo Cartridge=White:Pudding Bowl
I'll tell you what I was tempted to add to this thread earlier today. I give The Onion a lot of leeway in their satire due to their track record in being funny, but the ebonics used in this article would have definitely been unacceptable, say Jeff Foxworthy had tried it.
― pplains, Friday, 6 April 2012 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
it's not just the ebonics in that article that's suspect
― the late great, Friday, 6 April 2012 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, I've been making the haha weed's in ounces, coke's in grams joaks for years, but yeah, you're right too.
Tip of the iceberg starts with the ebonics.
― pplains, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
that could basically be straight off some right-wing humor site
does this thread have anything to do w/ this http://yoisthisracist.com
― iatee, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
no, that popped up way later
but that site is "the boss"
― Nhex, Friday, 6 April 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
that Onion article was better in its original form of Ali G interviewing Sir Rhodes Boyson
― Rudy Ray Reardon (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 April 2012 09:35 (eleven years ago) link
i made the mistake of watching a few minutes of tosh.0 last night and whoa i was not prepared for the sheer number of cheap race jokes, wow i am naive about 'comedy' i guess huh
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 April 2012 11:47 (eleven years ago) link
hey guys i cant figure out which thread to discuss my new favorite tv show so might as well do it here:
http://www.trutv.com/shows/the-wieners-circle/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzXP8h_KHCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX71xxK1b4k
This American Life took a different approach to documenting this world famous hot dog stand a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1LPf9mnyU
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
the wiener's circle has been making chicagoans uncomfortable for years
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
yes but now it has a tv show
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
Onion just lost a whole mess of their best writers in unceremoniously moving the whole show to Chicago, so...
― Three Word Username, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
how do you perform a ceremonious move? like a parade march to chicago?
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
That's how we moved here.
― carl agatha, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
You do it by not saying "hi, we're moving to Chicago in a couple of weeks. You're doing it too or you're fired."
― Three Word Username, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
that is a pretty dick move, yes.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
Huh. I hadn't realized it had ever moved away from Madison in the first place.
― beachville, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
I live about 3 blocks from The Wieners Circle and I look out for shennanigans when I walk by it at night but it's usually peaceful. Never been there though and don't plan on going. I no longer find intentionally harsh service very funny. ILXor Jordan went there and paid $6 for a hot dog, which they refused to give him him until he tipped $2. But it wasn't a joke where they were going to give him the food that he paid for after fucking with him for a minute.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
just now discovering 'the wieners circle' is not a euphemism for soggy biscuit
― dayo, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
I've been to the Wiener's Circle once when it was as depicted at the end of the TAL video (actually, with ILXor Jordan), and witnessed first hand the privileged white boys yelling racist shit at the women working behind the counter. It's gross and I won't go there again, even during the day when it's just another place to get a hot dog.
― carl agatha, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
Yeh I didn't mean to suggest its reputation and the TAL thing were exaggerations.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
I've never been there.
― Jeff, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
i was vegan the whole time i lived in chicago :(
this show rules though, even if it might be racist
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 8 April 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know if the show is racist, but the late-night dynamic at the Wiener's Circle is unquestionably racist.
― carl agatha, Sunday, 8 April 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
Idk, they don't fuck with me at The Weiners' Circle, they just give me what I order.
― the hairy office thing (Eazy), Sunday, 8 April 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
Oh well, then, it must not be racist.
― carl agatha, Sunday, 8 April 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
they just give me what I order, too, but I order racism
― gimme prizza (crüt), Sunday, 8 April 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m4w76Sjvnz4
― Three Word Username, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
ugh johnnies
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
Easy there, fella. How do you think I found this?
― Three Word Username, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
wtf is wrong with kids today-- how do you get away with calling a shitty youtube parody a "senior prank"
― ♆ (gr8080), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
It aint' CalTech, that's for sure.
― beachville, Monday, 9 April 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
tbh i'm not sure what might be racist abt that video, possibly the beardo in the orange 'pimp' outfit? idk
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
wow w.r.t weiner circle. very depressing.
― s.clover, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
Since this thread is officially "This is racist"
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/the-end-of-my-white-guilt/
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
My white guilt died on Good Friday, April 6, 2012. That was the day my bike got stolen.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
My white guilt died on Good Friday, April 6, 2012. That was the day my bike got stolen
this cannot be serious
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
ok is 'Shyster' anti semitic? I called up someone for using it but the etymology suggest differently? Has it become anti semitic?
― owenf, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think you should hide. If you hate blacks, let it out. It would be best for us all for conservatives to start being honest.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus died for my sins, but not for my white guilt.
― pplains, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
That didn't make any sense. It's 5:12 CDT.
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Pee-Wee-s-Big-Adventure-pee-wee-herman-747412_780_443.jpg
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
random calling out of Soledad O'Brien there - I must have missed the part where she stole his bike
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
looks like comment boxers are calling out that bike article
― the late great, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
soledad o'brien is too busy acting like she just stepped off the amistad to steal anyone's bike IMO
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
xpost surprising for once comment boxers less racist and crazy than article
― the late great, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
My favorite movie growing up was “In the Heat of the Night.”
― swaghand (dayo), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
In that moment, I had a change of consciousness. Why was I assuming that the kid who stole my bike was acting out of some terrible pain, as if he had been directly under the lash of Bull Connor? What if he has a car, a nice apartment, a hot girlfriend and good health?What if he is just a selfish asshole?
What if he is just a selfish asshole?
What if the thief is is NOT BLACK?!? This fucking scumbag never even considers the possibility. What if he is not a he? Could be a Lebanese woman for all he really knows. Oh but no, it's gotta be a "black kid", probably one of those that "had been described". and any doubt about this is just a remnant of that pesky old "white guilt".
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
on some levels, i kind of admire this article because with the internet being what it is i'm getting sort of accustomed to almost everything i read being so profoundly stupid and poorly written, but even in that context this one really stands out
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 April 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
Admitting it's a "poor black neighborhood" and then assuming the reason your bike was stolen was because the neighborhood is black.
Dude, you picked the wrong word.
― mh, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.laurentiwines.com/labels/P05556.jpg
"THIS GIRL IS SERIOUS! Aromatic, smooth, vibrant and tasty. Think tangerine, apricot, wet stone, key lime, clove, and nectarine. Now stop thinking and start drinking.....'CAUSE KUNG FU GIRL KICKS ASS!"
― nickn, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
wine marketing is the worst
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
― swaghand (dayo), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
I'm still focused in on 'wet stone'
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
^ underrated flavor in the jelly bellies mixed set
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
the white guilt article expresses its excruciatingly myopic choadness w/ surprising neatness - 'the right to treat everyone the same'
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
this didn't last very long, fyi
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the comnments are pretty O_o
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that article pretty much is the *heart* of racism - one guy of a certain race (apparently) did something bad to me, so I'm going to look at that entire race differently, as though it's not okay to just hate a *person*
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
I like Pareene's joke:
"Wise up, White Americans. Your liberal parents lied to you when they said “this country’s centuries-old tradition of state-sponsored discrimination and institutional racism means a black person would never steal your bike, so just park that shit wherever.” "
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/09/daily_caller_genius_i_dont_feel_bad_for_black_people_anymore_because_i_think_a_black_person_stole_my_bike/singleton/?mobile.html
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
Topics:Daily Caller, Race, Bicycling, Crime, Media Criticism, Your Racist Uncle
― goole, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
true story: my brother's car was broken into and his stereo was stolen, so he went around the neighborhood to ask if anyone saw or heard anything. Our white neighbor told him he thought it might be the black kids that regularly walked down the street after school, and then he tried to sell my brother a hot car sterero he got from his cousin as a partial payment for weed.
my brother never said anything abt losing his white guilt that day iirc
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't lose my white guilt, I left it parked down the street and someone stole it.
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
Someone did steal my bike once. That is all I was able to figure out about that one. The cops laughed at me and the dude at the closest pawn shop gave me a rough look for even inquiring about what he might know re: stolen bikes.
― beachville, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
Got my bike seat stolen; blamed white people because I have a quick-release seat thing and I parked it by the street when they were reprinting the front porch for a week and I live in Portland.
― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
Repainting, rather.
you let white people paint your porch?
― beachville, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
Their skills are usually better suited for picket fences.
― pplains, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
when my bike got stolen, I had just replaced the seat and post which had been stolen a month before, thx to quick release technology. that time the bike shop dudes laughed at me.
― beachville, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
Stolen bicycles must be pretty funny.
― beachville, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
hate it or love it
― mh, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
GOOD FRIDAYhttp://www.stfrancisloc.com/saint-francis.jpgBIKE STOLENhttp://216.97.238.61/mcm/francis_pee_wee2.jpg
― does Red Stripe work like poppers? (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
"Back in 1859, I was in a poor white neighborhood in Charleston, where I parked my negro while I went into a church. When I came back he had been stolen!"
^^ Is this racist?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
I'm leaning hard toward 'yes'.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2aj2pi6Uz1qbzwwco1_500.jpg
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 09:44 (eleven years ago) link
No. That's just a fun hat.
― beachville, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 09:58 (eleven years ago) link
rangers showed off their new japanese pitcher yu darvish yesterday, so of course we get
http://i.imgur.com/5uwsm.jpg
― swaghand (dayo), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 11:33 (eleven years ago) link
i like the dude in the red hat's what i like to think of as "the hell??" expression
― dylannn, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 11:45 (eleven years ago) link
That's seriously on some Sarah Silverman "I love ch***s" misguided appreciation schtick. Plus totally wrong nationality for the joke for extra ignorance.
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
Like these shitty shirts that people still wear to "appreciate" Kosuke Fukudome:
http://thebrownone.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/horry-kow.jpg
HAHA IT IS AN ASIAN HARRY CARAY GET IT
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
Looking forward to the racist white sox version now.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
how come they just didn't write on the shirt "hari kari"? Cubs fans wouldn't get the joke despite the oversized glasses?
― pplains, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
French presidential candidate shoots a video hanging out with black/arab kids in low-income neighborhoods, sets it to "niggas in paris"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT5z_OMaQhg
― ♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
huh.
i wonder how the people in the video feel about it.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
they feel fine because they hate sarkozy more than they care about taboo english words
― iatee, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
I like the video actually
― iatee, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
reaction's been pretty positive, seems like.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/04/diner-racism-waiters-diss-blacks/468546
comments section here is something to behold
― Campari G&T, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
whoa, apparently like every single person in the service industry is a racist :O
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
lol some of these can't be real
i was a a restaurant recently and a group of blacks was 3 booths away. They were loud, using a lot of profanity. I complained to the manager as I was with my wife and son adn my .357. Rather than saying anything to this pack of baboons he asked if we would be willing to move to another area. I told him directly that I thought he was a coward and we left without accepting our food.
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
self-perpetuating cycle of racism and resulting poor tipping flagbs
― mh, Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
ugh i remember getting a meal with a black friend at a restaurant once and having a truly o_O exchange with our white waiter who eventually informed us (jovially) that "studies have shown" that "slavery wasn't really that bad." she made sure to tip him well because she assumed he would assume she wouldn't. the whole thing was insane and awful, and the worst part was i really think he thought he was being friendly and a li'l irreverent because we were all such pals the whole time.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
The patron pointedly mentions owning a .357 because the patron did not do anything differently than the manager in choosing not to speak to the blacks, but owning the .357 innoculates him against being called a coward, too?
― Aimless, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
but anyway i wondered if that dude groaned when he got black patrons at a table, expecting to be tipped poorly, but then cheerfully launched into his "slavery: no big deal" schtick to try to ingratiate himself nevertheless.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
xp I think it's because the .357 is basically a member of his family
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
his .357 gets really upset at profane language
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
she made sure to tip him well because she assumed he would assume she wouldn't.
Well. Showed him.
― pplains, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
In 50 years there will be NO majority White countries on earth. Yet Africahas over 50+ all black nations that will stay black. Asia will remain totallyAsian. It is White countries and ONLY White countries that are being floodedwith non-Whites and it is EVERY single White country.Whites will have gone from almost 30% of the world population in 1900 toapproximately 2-3% by the year 2100, per the UN.
Whites will have gone from almost 30% of the world population in 1900 toapproximately 2-3% by the year 2100, per the UN.
themoreyouknow.gif orly.gif
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i know; i think she was working from a people can change through encounters with people who are different from them model. i was working from a some people are lost causes model, but i understand her response. like, on top of all this bullshit, i'm not going to let this dude complain about my people and how we tip as soon as i leave.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
i half wonder if the service industry is a major racism-development petri dish in the US. one of the places where different groups come in the most direct contact with one another.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsK1McEA9dssixteen years waiting tables here. some black people don't tip. some black people do tip. it's not color based. it's class based. everything's based.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
lol u didnt include the .357 guys handle
"Foxwood Muldor"
― max, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
thanking u based forks
― mh, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Jay 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand Why, thank you for that vital piece of information on how I should behave myself in a restaurant BUT I'm already aware that if you treat people with respect they will (should) treat you with respect. BUT thats not what my comment said. It said, "Because a waiter has had a bad experience with a black party, it is okay for them to give me poor service?" MEANING, they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me. Your comment applies both ways. I'm going to treat a server the same way they treat me, or I'm going to leave. Or does that only work one way? I should be polite and friendly regardless? Please enlighten me, I'm curious to know. Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand ..they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me.Noooo, silly! It's because of lots of experiences they've had with nearly everyone who happens to be the same color as you!And yes, you should be polite and friendly regardless. If the service is not satisfactory, don't tip, and don't come back. Why would you want to frequent a joint you don't like anyway?In fairness, servers should be polite and courteous as well. But don't be surprised when they expect you to act like the vast majority of your race act. Want to show you deserve different? Take the first step. Don't expect everyone to just cater to you.Kony 6 comments collapsed Collapse Expand The odds are very good they will be right. Why not play the odds? I'd break Vegas with those odds. Jay 5 comments collapsed Collapse Expand Then it will continue to be a vicious cycle. If you treat me bad because of a bad experience with someone else (that I have NOTHING to do with), can you honestly be upset when I tip you poorly? C'mon. SingleServing01 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's. The more concessions they got the more aggressive they behaved, until whites stopped feeling guily and started feeling angry.Jay 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand Lol. Blacks started the cycle? Not the people treating them like they were less than when they tried to dine at white establishments? Quit trying to play the blame game and simply say that ALL of us could stand to learn to quit the generalizations. Do ALL waiters provide inferior service to blacks? No. Are ALL black customers rude? Do we ALL tip bad? No. Stop thinking because we have the same skin color that we're the same. Its foolishness. Kony 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand The stories of bad black tipping in spite of good service are legion. Clean up yer act.
Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand ..they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me.
Noooo, silly! It's because of lots of experiences they've had with nearly everyone who happens to be the same color as you!
And yes, you should be polite and friendly regardless. If the service is not satisfactory, don't tip, and don't come back. Why would you want to frequent a joint you don't like anyway?
In fairness, servers should be polite and courteous as well. But don't be surprised when they expect you to act like the vast majority of your race act. Want to show you deserve different? Take the first step. Don't expect everyone to just cater to you.
Kony 6 comments collapsed Collapse Expand The odds are very good they will be right. Why not play the odds? I'd break Vegas with those odds.
Jay 5 comments collapsed Collapse Expand Then it will continue to be a vicious cycle. If you treat me bad because of a bad experience with someone else (that I have NOTHING to do with), can you honestly be upset when I tip you poorly? C'mon.
SingleServing01 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's. The more concessions they got the more aggressive they behaved, until whites stopped feeling guily and started feeling angry.
Jay 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand Lol. Blacks started the cycle? Not the people treating them like they were less than when they tried to dine at white establishments? Quit trying to play the blame game and simply say that ALL of us could stand to learn to quit the generalizations. Do ALL waiters provide inferior service to blacks? No. Are ALL black customers rude? Do we ALL tip bad? No. Stop thinking because we have the same skin color that we're the same. Its foolishness.
Kony 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand The stories of bad black tipping in spite of good service are legion. Clean up yer act.
I mean this isn't the worst of it, but the unreason is AMAZING
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
heh I dunno if it's a universal thing among asians but my parents are such stingy tippers that when I eat out with them I purposely try to overcompensate in tipping to 'break' the stereotype
― swaghand (dayo), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
wow "asian bad tippers" does not lead to good places on google
― swaghand (dayo), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah same here :(
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
plus also the user name 'Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse'
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
I am very happy that my job blocked this comment section
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
xp it's a hunter
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
Not to mention the violence you might encounter as a guest with black people sitting next to you. If you shush them because of noise or their kids going mental and screaming, you can expect punches, kicks and even worse. ALL the youtube videoes on restaurant violence in the States have black people involved. Black women seem to be the most violent of them all.
black people just randomly whipping the shit out of anyone who talks to them
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
I am now opposed to Obama's plans to increase internet connectivity and accessibility in the United States
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
devil you know, man
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
white devil you know, man
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
wait
whooo doggy if you guys didn't like that then you definitely won't like this
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rmBltVE2
it starts out alright, but snowballs quite quickly
Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
it has been discussed
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh, that's had it's day in the sun here
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
dude got fired for it, frogbs
― ♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 April 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
just kind of amazed that someone thought that was okay to print, like with your name on it and everything
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
frog you need to keep up a little
― goole, Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
ALL the youtube videoes on restaurant violence in the States have black people involved.
patently untrue!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQ8WgsfWl4&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Drestaurant%2Bdrunken%2Bfight%26oq%3Drestaurant%2Bdrunken%2Bfight%26aq%3Df%26aqi%3D%26aql%3D%26gs_nf%3D1%26gs_l%3Dyoutube-psuggest.3...5078.11935.0.12053.20.20.0.0.0.0.152.1412.15j5.20.0.&has_verified=1
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/PQQ8WgsfWl4
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-73kpITP3mc
― mh, Thursday, 12 April 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
highlight: Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's.
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Thursday, 12 April 2012 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah i enjoyed that guy's *point of view* on american history
― horseshoe, Thursday, 12 April 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
I know I'm mostly being pissy because my computer died last night but really I just want all of those idiots to die horribly
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Friday, 13 April 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
my computer's working fine, Dan, and i feel the same way
― I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Friday, 13 April 2012 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, what stevie says.
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 13 April 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
It appears to me that two things are happening simultaneously:1) That it is becoming more acceptable to say certain types of racist things publicly--that blatant racism is on the rise.2) While it is publically agreed upon that racism is bad, what racism means has narrowed or become ill-defined--the goal posts have moved--i.e. some people making clearly racist statements seem to be genuinely convinced they are not racist and take offense at the label.
The political stuff around reverse-racism and the race card, etc, goes a long way to explain this trend, and obviously a lot of the butthurt around being called racist is deflection and disingenuous.
BUT
My question: are things actually moving in this direction, or am I just noticing stuff that has always been there?
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
the latter
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
it's stuff that's always been there, but now the magic of the Internet can wire racism straight into your home
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that sounds about right
― Nhex, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
I'm thinking mostly about the stuff I see on the teevee.
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
2) While it is publically agreed upon that racism is bad, what racism means has narrowed or become ill-defined--the goal posts have moved--i.e. some people making clearly racist statements seem to be genuinely convinced they are not racist and take offense at the label.
it's way more extreme than this. there isn't a single racist person alive who thinks that they're racist, even WHITE POWER WNs with swastikas tattooed on their foreheads. i've probably said it in this thread before, but being racist is considered to be much less offensive than being called a racist.
i mean, people like this: https://twitter.com/#!/antidarkskinned are everywhere on the internet, and they all insist that they're not racist
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
that's not true, my boss will outright say in private "i am racist against black people".
he's also the kind of guy who when forced to work w/ a black person, will ultimately see they are a good person but say "yeah but he's different"
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 13 April 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
"yeah but he's different"
this drives me batshit and a lot of my extended family members are guilty of this. they just can't make the leap in logic when they say "well, he's one of the GOOD ones" about every minority they interact with. does that tell you something about it maybe being YOU and not "THEM". argh.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 13 April 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Bouncing back between az and hi, gr8080, you must see some really weird examples of racism.
― pplains, Friday, 13 April 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
the first time i visited AZ after SB 1070 was a thing (and after defending Tucson as "not a racist place" to all my friends) i went straight from the airport to a friend's house, then drove to downtown Tucson, parked on a street near a lot of college bars, got out of the car, and immediately encountered a bearded white guy in his 50's or 60's, meandering down the sidewalk shouting "I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS! I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS!" over and over
― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
that man was the mayor
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
You don't understand, "I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS!" is the name of my dog
― kinder, Friday, 13 April 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
when you reach 1070 SBs you get banished to Arizona
― kinder, Friday, 13 April 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
suggest banished
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
the “Yu Dog” is a deep-fried, wonton-wrapped hot dog with teriyaki beef and seaweed salad. It was reportedly being served at the Captain Morgan Club in center field with chop sticks, a fortune cookie, and french fries fried in sesame oil on the side. http://i.imgur.com/1ORa7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1ORa7.jpg
― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
Weird racial thing, but I am inexplicably drawn to this food item.
― mh, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
would eat through the guilt
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
Really dreadful attempts at grease-infused novelty cuisine aren't racist, but they are kind of nauseating.
― Aimless, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think tying it explicitly to a player by name is racist.
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
sesame oil fries sounds revolting
― does Red Stripe work like poppers? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
aimless do you know who yu darvish is??
― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
sesame oil is not good for deep-frying btw - low smoke point. hopefully they are just drizzling sesame oil onto the fries afterwards
― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
I don't follow baseball at all, so no, I've never heard of Yu Darvish. Knowing this, I'd say you have to figure the recipe came out of the originator's deeply ignorant stereotyping of east Asians. Abysmal ignorance and revolting food do not make a pretty picture, no matter how many innocent good intentions may have been at work.
Unless, of course, someone spoke with Yu beforehand and he said, "Gosh, you know what I'd really love to eat??? A deep-fried, wonton-wrapped hot dog with teriyaki beef and seaweed salad! Yum! And I'd be honored if you created this and named it after me." <-- Very unlikely scenario.
― Aimless, Saturday, 14 April 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
if u think abt it, it's sort of racist against americans to calumnize their proud tradition of tokenistically syncretic food-trash
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Saturday, 14 April 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
Like, lets say they actually got the foods from the fucking country he's from correct. Would that still be racist or just reductive?
Part of me thinks like if they made some pizza dog for an Italian player or a gyro dog for a Greek player, that would be kind of fun (and delicious).
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
it's actually kind of ironic cause the american fortune cookie may actually have had been inspired by a japanese pastry
― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
idk man
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
At least Yu was born in Japan as opposed to Jeremy "fortune cookie ice cream" Lin who was born in CALIFORNIA
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Everything I know about contemporary sports is about racism :(
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
'Sports are racists, racism is a sport, - that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
Roundeye Ranger FanWow, give me a break. I was at the game and all the Asian people were having a ball. There was clearly nothing mean spirited going on with anything Japanese themed. I'm assuming you'd be offended if Josh Hamilton was playing for a Japanese team in Japan and the fans there wore cowboy hats and they sold hamburgers and french fries there? What's racist is instantly jumping to find anything that fits into YOUR stereotypes of other ethnicities. The girl with the "Love Yu Long Time" sign was Vietnamese for Pete's sake. Also, Tom Grieve has been around baseball longer than anyone. Google "chinker" or look it up on Wikipedia and you will see that it is an actual baseball term (A blooper; a dying quail; a bleeder.). What a waste of time.
fucking kill me
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
So out-of-touch am I with the ways of racists and meat-eaters that "round-eye" always strikes me as some kind of steak or something.
― beachville, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
The girl with the "Love Yu Long Time" sign was Vietnamese for Pete's sake.
http://hvstatic5.hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/We-Love-Yu-Long-Time-Heart.jpg
― I DIED, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
I'm convinced.
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
"So out-of-touch am I with the ways of racists and meat-eaters"http://holestoheavens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/do-or-do-not-yoda.png
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
yo, don't lump my cheeseburger eatin' ass with those fools
― Nhex, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:56 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haaa yes
― goole, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
also iiinteresting in all this (i don't rly know what to make of it) is that the iranian part of darvish's background is like nowhere
― goole, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
I guess it's the fact that he's a japanese citizen and got famous playing in the japanese leagues?
― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
I saw a store in Savage MN called Groceries of the Orient
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 April 2012 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=23300734
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 April 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
get some chicken
._.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Sunday, 15 April 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
I've listened to more rap music than any living human at Urban Outfitters and I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what the fuck that even means
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 April 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiYO3cLgubQ
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Sunday, 15 April 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
I know the shirt is just Racism Classic™ but personally my primary association btwn rap and "chicken" is cocaine refs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHT3Ns8YWH8
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Sunday, 15 April 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
the guy whose idea it was to put "Lyrics (tight)"
how many grandchildren does he have
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 April 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
also what kind of rapper would brag about 16-bar verses smdh
― Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Sunday, 15 April 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
16 is p standard I thought
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 April 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
"it even once helped me have a long conversation about hip-hop because the girl thought i didn't know anything that genre. proved her wrong."
― kinder, Sunday, 15 April 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lvzO2wcJQt0/T3L_Tx65kHI/AAAAAAAAR5s/JhRWF1x55WA/s1600/MOA_Will-Smith_poster.jpg " class="noborder">
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lvzO2wcJQt0/T3L_Tx65kHI/AAAAAAAAR5s/JhRWF1x55WA/s1600/MOA_Will-Smith_poster.jpg
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
yes that is racist
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oT7WiEldz7Y/T3NIAosTdRI/AAAAAAAAR6c/IEFfvGVK98Q/s1600/FordSpain.jpg
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
holy cats. assume the MOA ad isn't american either.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i drink "MOA" all the time here in america
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
cant wait to go down the the local watering hole and have a MOA
― azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fnZuxysZl6M/TDBxj6A4mhI/AAAAAAAAAMw/P-P5X-tdX58/s1600/42moa-2.jpg
― does Red Stripe work like poppers? (Abbbottt), Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
As extinct as the Irish Elk. That's island fauna for you.
(We now resume our regularly scheduled racism.)
― Aimless, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
I've raised this once already, and if no one thinks it's worth pursuing this time, I'll give up on the idea, and harp on about it no longer. But I honestly don't see why the left couldn't justifiably claim a third National Review scalp - and a far more prominent one at that than the crank John Derbyshire ever was; this one being the key conservative advocate of a war against Islam, and the close pal of Rush Limbaugh - Andy McCarthy; and at the same time deal a devastating blow, given that the most 'distinguished' figure would be shockingly the third sacked for racist associationgs.
Would this not be a viable goal, purely on the basis of Andy McCarthy's 5 year's of friendly correspondence with Lawrence Auster who runs the virulently racist site View from the Right; correspondence which he frequently gave permission to be published on said site.
Previously I gave no examples of this correspondence. Here's one I found using google, but I know for sure there are many more:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/020887.html
And here's a brief selection of articles that have featured on View From the Right during that period:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011093.html
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011157.html
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011160.html
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022187.html
pro-BNP article:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013095.html
There are so many more where these came from, many far worse, I just couldn't be bothered dredging through the mud to find them. The above was the result of 5 mins googling. Am I foolishly optimistic for thinking Max (or others who read this site) could really make something of this?
― Campari G&T, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
btw, my personal interest in this is an attempt to continue the good work of this guy:http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.co.uk/
― Campari G&T, Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
it's disgusting that anyone would publicly associate w auster/VftR, but the association itself doesn't seem like much of a smoking gun, imo. especially given that "andy mccarthy" is an unfamiliar name to most (shameful as that fact may be).
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
"it's disgusting that anyone would publicly associate w auster/VftR, but the association itself doesn't seem like much of a smoking gun, imo. especially given that "andy mccarthy" is an unfamiliar name to most (shameful as that fact may be)."
You may very well be right, but the second guy to be sacked from NRO David Weissberg, was let go for having given a speech at a (white nationalist) American Renaissance conference, even though the speech itself apparently - according to one account I read - didn't actually advocate white nationalism. Well View from the Right has on many occasions endorsed Jared Taylor/American Renaissance (most recently a Jared Taylor speech about the Trayvon Martin killing.) They've had their differences too on certain issues, key among them anti-semitism, given that Lawrence Auster is Jewish and so opposes that particular form of bigotry). But I'm not sure how Andy McCarthy's half decade long (and currently ongoing) association with a racist American Renaissance-supporting website could be judged as significantly less bad than a one-off speech at an American Renaissance conference that was deemed a sacking offense.
― Campari G&T, Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
good point, and it certainly deserves more attention than it's getting
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
I was thinking that the MOA ad could be a fake since the IOC are notoriously tetchy about anyone appropriating the rings, but hey turns out it's the official beer of New Zealand's Olympic team. Good work, New Zealand.
― michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
W exactly TF is going on here?
http://www.friatider.se/shocking-photos-shows-swedish-minister-of-culture-celebrating-with-niger-cake
― Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
what the
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
That is giving me the vapors. Horrified vapors.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
there aren't enough o_O 's in the world for that
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know exactly what's going on there... the body of the cake looks like a pretty clear version of the Willendorf Venus. The head tho...
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
that's actually someone's head coming up through the table
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
http://karmadecay.com/r/WTF/comments/se39j/just_the_swedish_minister_of_culture_and_sports/
Makode Aj Linde, the artist who created the installation and whose head is part of the cake cut by the minister, wrote about the "genital mutilation cake" on his Facebook page.
(unable to locate said facebook page)
― Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
what the fucking fuck. How does something like that even get made?
― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
That's...worse that it's a real head? The photo with the torso cut open and the cake inside being red is making my head spin. The whole thing is a horror movie to me.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
okay this caption made me lol: Just a girl eating a black girl cake.
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
Aaaaahhhh! Didn't notice that or the fact that she was being fed cake of herself!
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
So is the artist the head?! This is fucking weird.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
ahhhh shit, the teeth.
Makode Aj Linde
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZR6DZo6vcxU/TX6GL_2x6lI/AAAAAAAAEhE/lLnntWfDnCg/Nya+Kontoret-17.jpg
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
artist's page does not dispel the clouds of wtf
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Makode-Linde/92718443762
― Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
it's racist, it's scary, it's dehumanizing and worse yet, Tom Petty pulled it off so much better in that one video.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
So a committed anti-nationalist white woman ritually circumcizes a Willendorf Veunus shaped cake made by a black gay guy for an art day. There are so many buttons to push here, my mind boggles. The aesthetics are <insert adjective here that I can't even begin to think of>
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
I'm inclined to say this is not racist and just a really weird art piece that requires a lot of context to get. The Willendorf Venus + African/black artist + attempts to address issue of genital mutiliation (?) would indicate there's a good deal more going on here than meets the eye
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
it is still very WTF obviously
My brain can't reason its usual "it's okay because it's a black guy underneath that cake" argument.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
I am reacting to this like it is an edible, interactive version of the Britney-giving-birth sculpture
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
…with Jeff Koons trapped inside.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
I think shakey's right, certainly if you saw it by itself in an art gallery it would give you pause for thought. but when the picture is of a smiling white woman cutting into it surrounded by smiling and laughing white photographers - the o_O is overwhelming.
― Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, which I'm assuming was, at least in part, what the artist was probably going for.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
I'm kind of w/Laurel on this. Even if I give the Swedes involved the benefit of the doubt as a different culture, etc..., I still can't get over the idea of objectifying a victim whose plight one deplores into a red-centered cake.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
If it's meant to be generate publicity through shock, it's probably relatively good value for money, though
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
what if the cake tastes terrible
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
well, now the world is aware of genital mutilation. sort of
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
no way man that red velvet stuff is the bomb
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
once you go red velvet, you'll never reshelve it
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
I bet that's what it is, too
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
The ”maimed” corpse of an African woman has sparked an outcry in social media.
― buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
Left out the word "delicious".
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
did anyone else watch the video
bureaucrat swedes smiling appreciatively thru constant screaming from the cake.
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
this is like a Monty Python sketch come to life
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
it's a very long 47 seconds
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
The screaming and what she whispered to him make this quite surreal
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
IMO the video answers the "is this racist?" question but raises about a bazillion others (foremost of which is "WAHT?")
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
did not make it through all 47 seconds
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
the thing is though the page we're reading the story from seems to have chosen "nig*er cake" as its own descriptive and then put it in quotes so I suspect there are some levels of Swedish politics here. OTOH I don't know how many levels it takes to get away from HOW IS THIS NOT A TERRIBLE IDEA.
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
After all the many headspinning aspects of this, I am now very curious where the phrase in quotes in that first FriaTider headline came from.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
mind blown
have to say that it's quite an impressive performance piece/sculpture/conceptual stunt, but i do not think i would have been able to eat any of that cake
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
the recommended youtubes that pop up are pretty O_o
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
"Let them not eat cake."
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
saw an episode of baseball wives where one wife gets another wife a realistic looking porcupine cake or something that also had red cake inside
― dayo, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
There's lots of Sweish politics going on here: this is going viral because Swedish nationalists are pissed that she's cutting off state funding for their newspaper, so they're sending this around as a "gotcha!" moment.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
― dayo, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:51 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Steel Magnolias has a bit about the groom's cake at a wedding being in the shape of a giant armadillo with grey icing and blood red cake. Maybe the b-ball wives were spoofing that. Sounds p similar.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
100% with aero here; my guess is that the cake itself is a piece of very transgressive and extreme performance art that somehow has federal funding. The original article linked to though only blocks out one of the 'g's in n----- and seems to have some sort of vendetta against one of the attendants for cutting funding to a nationalist newspaper who is known for spouting off 'racist' beliefs, so I'm actually wondering if the article itself is actually more racist than the cake...?
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah TWU otm xxp. Like as shocking as the cake is, it is probably akin to like The Swans playing at George HW Bush's Inaugural Ball
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
As far as I can tell, Fria Tider (the website linked to above) is a right-wing Sweedish Nationalist news organisation.
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
The URL made the cake sound like it came from Niger.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
that's what I was expecting
in retrospect, I don't really know why; possibly the clearest example of my subconscious blatantly lying to me in order to preserve my sanity I've had in a while
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
just popped up on my tumblr and figured it was relevant here wrt makode's race:
http://thankyoubasedsantorum.tumblr.com/post/21272281605Apparently Makode (the artist behind "Painful Cake") is not a woman.
Can everyone see how this is not okay?
Look, we talk all the time about how black women’s pain is often co-opted or turned into a gimmick for white people’s goals—and we’ve even had great discussion about how people of color will do the same to black people. This is one of those times. I don’t know about Makode’s make-up, but I know they are not white. And this is bullshit.
At the end of the day, I don’t care what they were doing or what they thought they were going to accomplish—they put painful history of black women’s pain (not starting with but including the Venus Hottentot) on display for white people to “teach” them about said pain. I can’t even begin to describe how truly fucked up that is, and how it enrages me. Even within POC spaces, black women are at the bottom of the totem pole. Our pain is hung out to dry for the benefit of white people and when it backfires, it is even more worthless. If it can’t even be used for teaching fodder, what good is it?
I don’t care who Makode is; they are not for us. If they meant to shock, they could have done it with trivializing the pain of black women. If they meant to teach, they could’ve done so another way. I’m tired of our history supposedly being used for the benefit of other POC. Makode was allowed to be there, probably paid, invited to sit under a table and scream for the laughter and enjoyment of white people. That’s all it was. It didn’t do shit.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad i read this thread because having just seen the photo/read the article i was entirely ooooo_0000000
well, i still am, but less kneejerk condemnatory now that i know the political and artistic context, which i think a lot of those outraged tumblrers would do well to find out about.
god the phrase "POC" really gets no better.
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
well, the article was super suspect just from the headline; that alone made me think there was more going on than those still pictures could convey (the video amplified that even more)
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
which i think a lot of those outraged tumblrers would do well to find out about.
lol @ yr assumption that they don't
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah learning that the newspaper was a right wing one made things make much more sense - if swedish newspapers of that kind are anything like british ones, they'll probably target modern art at every given opportunity, and conflate using offensive imagery with actually being offensive while pretending the context doesn't exist
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
xp it's right in the paragraph you quoted
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure how to feel about Makode Linde's performance/conceptual piece. It's clearly transgressive, deeply unsettling, awful in many ways, but it's not entirely without substance.
Perhaps the only acceptable response is to condemn Linde, as the author of that wonderfully named blog does, for representing something other than his own "designated group" and/or personal experience. That's the safest strategy, based on the idea that we're all allowed to comment on ourselves, on the group(s) to which we seemingly belong, and on those we see as our oppressors - but everybody else is off-limits. By this standard, a man simply isn't entitled to make gross, transgressive art about female genital mutilation in Africa, regardless of his race or intent.
This is at least a coherent and morally sensible position. But i don't know... I agree to a large extent and this is pretty much how I try to handle these issues in my own life, but at the same time, I'm somewhat bothered by the puritanical and legalistically rigid nature of this approach.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
^ i'm responding there to the thankyoubasedsantorum.tumblr that zachylon linked
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
lex "i don't care" does not mean "i don't know"
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
I think the point made by that Tumblr is more that it was an appropriation of an experience that wasn't his and presented in a manner almost guaranteed to be offensive and misunderstood, showing a profound lack of empathy for the issues meant to be addressed by the piece in the first place.
Like, it's okay to talk about female genital mutilation in Africa, but it's not really okay to make yourself into a screaming edible cake if you want the issue to be taken seriously.
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
where is Issues That Can Be Addressed by Screaming Edible Cake poll
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
Guess I'll have to come up with something else besides my Anne Frank Strawberry Shortcake Surprise for NPR's next remote at the University.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
esp given the nature of a lot of performance art, which is as much about the issue as it is the identity of the performer. it's not really possible for him to separate the two when he goes about it like this. xp to DJP
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
he could have had plausible separation had he hired a woman to be the head of the cake, I think
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
am I the only one who was reminded of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucNYLsjKaTQ
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i get that, but i don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with art that is "almost guaranteed to be offensive and misunderstood", and "a profound lack of empathy" is very much in the eye of the beholder. when you take it down to basic principles, the blogger's problem is that, while linde may be black, he is not a woman, and his piece is therefore unjustifiable. if linde were a black woman, then her criticisms wouldn't hold. her headline makes this very clear:
Apparently Makode (the artist behind “Painful Cake”) is not a woman.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah maybe, or better yet, if it were a collaborative piece involving a black woman artist
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe they could've even found/paid one of the probably-countless women of color who could just as well have created a notable piece of art about FGM in africa (sexism is everywhere y'all)
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
lol xp
well obviously; my point was more about "what would make Makode's screaming mutilation cake more acceptable" than "what would be an acceptable performance art piece on genital mutilation"
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
what exactly is wrong with this tho, or are you just on some "this is reverse sexism!" shit
and anyway, if you read more of that blog in particular you'll find older posts that are still decrying the cake, before the blogger learned linde's gender. i just posted that one because it was relevant to the discussion here.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
Do you post false dichotomies because you were beaten as a child, or are you a child beater?
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think there is anything wrong with this. i do have some (soft) reservations about this sort of thinking when it becomes a set of hard-and-fast rules. it's not the moral principles i object to, as they seem quite sound, but rather the rigidity and seeming puritanism of the stance.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
you see it as rigidity, but i read that post and i see a lot of logical reasoning as to why this specific case is fucked. there's a precedent and a history of this type of stuff, and the blog was responding to it. not necessarily saying that men of color can never create art that centers on women of color, just that this piece of art is an example of going about it wrong.
when it comes down to it, from what i can tell, the cake thing has succeeded in A) offending/hurting women of color and B) making white people laugh. from any vantage point, hard to call it a success imo
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
oh hey it's a zillion post argument about whether that's obviously totally fucked and offensive is fucked and offensive
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
i think we're speaking at cross purposes. i agree with the blogger's criticism of this piece. i generally agree with the principles in which her criticisms are grounded. otoh, i have some vague reservations about the way those basically good principles are sometimes (or perhaps just could be) applied. that's all. not trying to stir up an argument or claim "reverse sexism" or any such bullshit. just exploring some tangents.
fwiw, i read the laughter in that video as a sign of discomfort more than jollity. not that that really matters much.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I read the laughter in that video as a sign that people don't take screaming cakes seriously as a medium for making a political point.
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
well maybe we can at least all agree that artists are the fucking worst.
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
not always, but sometimes they really are.
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
"Haha, well, this is certainly making me feel uncomfortable!""Because it raises your awareness of female genital mutilations in Africa?""…um, yes. ………. ……. No."
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
Are the laughing women in on the 'joke'?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
people like makode linde are the absolute worst and i sincerely wish he had the balls to have himself butchered in public, that's obviously what he wants. one of those pathetic self-absorbed twats who live to spread themselves like a virus and use everything and everyone they can to do so.
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
*closes facebook page*
where my tea at
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
really doesn't like artists
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
not braying racist fame whore hypocrites who love being artists because it validates their every fart no. even if they're aware of it!
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
you know, that cake is pretty well crafted
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
I can think of a lot better ways to get the word out about FGM than this stunt. What's particularly egregious here is that this was supposed to be art (hence my question whether the laughing ppl were 'in on the joke', i.e. active participants) but it seems to be the kind of art that causes less light than heat in the end and it has a disturbing smugness to it. To what real extent do Swedes need additional info on African FGM? Is this a learning moment for ppl at right-wing Swedish newspapers or just sub-par trolling?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
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Natalie Ferraroi love your work. thank you for being brave and thoughtful and creative about how we look at atrocities.Like · · 24 minutes ago near Los Angeles, CA
Martin FredrikssonThis piece of art is painful, absurd, abusive. And pain, absurdity and abuse should preferably take place somewhere else, where we don't have to see it. I think all the hate that is thrown at the artist now is becoming part of the piece of art itself, showing how selective people can be in what they let bother them, and what we can just ignore. We are all having a slice of this cake every day, but we usually don't have to hear the desperate horror while we carve it out. I'm disturbed, puzzled.Like · · 51 minutes agoMichelle Heugh-Joseph likes this.
Ekene DanielSell out. You disgust me!Like · · 54 minutes agoMichelle Heugh-Joseph likes this.
Victoria HoltI also think it's really sad that you're deleting some people's comments. Art is about a conversation, and you SURE started one. So own up and take the hate, you deserve it!Like · · 59 minutes agoMichelle Heugh-Joseph likes this.
Didier Pandotu te crois malin ? conard !!! https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/540280_208772595904058_100003139573389_346865_770455583_n.jpg
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Dwayne JacksonI get it. You were raised with nothing but white people, so you think this IS art?!? DUDE you are fucked up. Why don't you go lay in a tub of bleach. Put your head under, and INHALE. That way you can be what you want inside and out.Like · · about an hour ago2 people like this.
Ismail MahomedThere are three elements to making good art: AestheticsResponsibilityTruthYou fail dismally at all three!!!Like · · about an hour ago via mobile4 people like this.
Chad Gardnerit looks like voodoo art yes/noLike · · about an hour ago
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
racist?
don't see much evidence of racism in linde's work
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
We are all having a slice of this cake every day, but we usually don't have to hear the desperate horror while we carve it out. I'm disturbed, puzzled.
What if we are all diabetic.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
I am reasonably certain I am not having a slice of African female genital mutilation cake every day
I mean first off, my pants still fit
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
haha that guy literally does have a slice of that cake every day.
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
second, i am not simultaneously barfing and crying all the time
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
It's the kind of thing one would tend to remember, methinks
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
crying maybe xp
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
* the minister of culture is carving out the crotch of a screaming caricature of an african woman and feeding it to her. * everyone's taking out their cameras
Q: Where's the best place not to be under these circumstances?
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
In line for seconds?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
Arby's!
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
A: Newark
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
would not want to be on Facebook.com.nu this afternoon.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
What kind of tea does one serve with African female genital mutilation cake? Malarial tea?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
This is After getting my vagaga mutilated by the minister of culture, Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth. Before cutting me up she whispered ‘Your life will be better after this’ in my ear.'
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
should this go before or after apaches on my ballot?
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
vagaga
rama rama-ma
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
RE: The cake.
It looks a LOT worse as a thumbnail. In higher res, it actually looks like a really well-made sculpture. If you changed everyone in the picture to frowning it would be 1000x easier to swallow.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
that's what she screamed
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo126/theybf/June%2009/27d69cd7.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Before cutting me up she whispered ‘Your life will be better after this’ in my ear.'
maybe it's funnier in swedish
― goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
i wanna make a genital mutilation hologram joke but it's not working so i'm posting this instead because i want to...
...have my cake and eat it too.
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
oh i see pplains was already on that trail
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
whenever racist cakes call, i'm already there, my friend.
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
No red velvet, no credibility.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
Will this guy become an art star or a pariah?
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
I bet he's a hoot when he works behind the counter at Luby's!
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
"You didn't get much.""I was going to add some peach cobbler, but the croutons started screaming at me."
― pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
I'm surprised that this thing hasn't made it to cakewrecks.com yet. Surely it must.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
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― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
If cakes could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them up? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
fuckin cakes, always with the screaming
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/3023966902_515aa0d9a9.jpg
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
^me itt today
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
And they have had a bomb threat now.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bomb-threat-museum-sweden-caught-racist-cake-scandal-cake-depicted-naked-african-woman-featured-actress-blackface-article-1.1063075
(How's that for a URL, SEO Marketers?)
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
i bet this artist is thrilled
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
Here's some interesting background about the cake-troversy:http://africasacountry.com/2012/04/18/swedish-cake/
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr7ZLYPtiRs
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone actually interviewed the artist about it?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
xp hahahaha yes that's what i was thinking of!
― Nhex, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.racialicious.com/2012/04/18/voices-makode-aj-linde-and-that-cake/
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
The reaction of the assembled crowd, though, is perhaps more disturbing. They don’t seem to understand that this isn’t supposed to be “Ha-ha”-funny, and if observers ascribe their glee to a detached, condescending form of racism, I’d be hard-pressed to disagree. Really, who knows what they were thinking? Who the eff laughs at that?- Tommy Christopher, Mediaite
yes I mean, who on Earth would laugh at an absurd screaming blackface cake, like how is that situation even fathomable
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
laughter can be a release of nervousness, based on an uncertainty how to react
― Aimless, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
Linde apparently posted Facebook responses to diff't questions about the cake; a youtube FAQ, so to say. This blog has compiled his videos:
http://www.womanist-musings.com/2012/04/artist-who-created-racist-sexist.html#more
this was his response to those asking why he chose to tackle female genital mutilation; it seems a bit more incoherent than the other responses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO5ALkMzOKc&feature=player_embedded
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/524703_337071523023373_135799796483881_957463_646738037_n.jpg
so nervous...
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I guess the only reasonable conclusion is that she thinks blackface & female circumcision are hilarious and was unaware that the public at large would react negatively to her racist worlview
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
much more likely that she isn't sensitive to blackface or female circumcision at all and just thought it was fun feeding cake to a colorfully dressed cake person
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
That is also a very reasonable conclusion
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose the optimal time to capture her nervousness on camera would be during the (possibly multiple) times she initially tried to cut the cake
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
leo stotch
It seems to me that the cake was a trick in what was really a piece of performance art. Show a (mostly) rich, white audience a disgusting, violent racial stereotype in a context where they think it's safe to accept it, and watch them gleefully participate in a very grotesque spectacle. The cake wasn't meant to be an actual statement against FGM, it was a prop Mr. Linde used to make a very dark point. Whether it's OK for a man living in Sweden to use that iconography to make that point is an open question, but I really don't think the cake was meant to be the art on display. The artwork was the group of white people cutting up the body of an African woman and eating it and laughing, while somehow still under the impression that they were making a statement against FGM. Like Reply
would like to think that this was the case, but...
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
but what?
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
i think the minister was just showing she was happy to play along? "ah yes, ART, how subversive and delightful."
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
I want to know who got the first piece of cake
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
his statements do not indicate that he intended the piece as a "gotcha" stunt aimed at making liljeroth and the rest of the audience look bad, or that his use of FGM as a subject was as cynical as leo suggests
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
that to llb
And how high did they jump when they heard that scream.
She should've been more like
http://vidgolos.com/images/3_364354634645634_2.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
the minister of culture got the first piece
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
Liljeroth, in a statement, said she understands why people felt offended and scandalized by the images widely circulated in the Swedish media. The Guardian reports she admitted that the cake installation was rather provocative and bizarre but that she was invited to speak about artistic freedom and the right to offend. She said: "I was invited to speak at World Art Day about the freedom of art and its right to provoke. And then they wanted me to cut into the cake. I don't review art, but I can very well understand that this whole situation was misunderstood." According to Liljeroth, the confusion stemmed from the artist himself. She said: "He claims that it challenges a romanticized and exoticized view from the West about something that is really about violence and racism." She added that the idea behind the exhibition was that "Art needs to be provocative."
idk contenderizer I think jaymc's link is v interesting and is worth reading
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
It’s Sunday, April 15th, and at Moderna Museet the swedish Artists Organisation is organising a celebration of World Art Day, as well as celebrating its own 75th birthday. Invited to speak is Lena Adelsohn-Liljeroth, the culture minister, who – it’s worth noting – is reviled by large parts of the art world for her culture-sceptic stance and for previously condemning provocative art in what many see as a kind of censorship. Here’s her chance at patching things up.A number of artists have been asked to create birthday cakes for the celebration. At some point, Lena Adelsohn-Liljeroth gets asked if she would go ahead and cut the first piece of cake, standard politician fare she thinks, and she agrees. Then she’s told that the cake will be about the limits of provocative art, which is a subject she now carefully treads around, and about female genital mutilation.The cake is wheeled out and uncovered. The crowd stares, tittering nervously. The culture minister is placed at the crotch end, and starts cutting into the cake – when suddenly the head starts screaming in pain. It’s the artist, Makode Linde, whose own painted head is placed as the head of the cake. The crowd’s tittering erupts in nervous laughter; the uncomfortable humour of the situation, the classic Swedish fear of conflict, triggered by the surprise sound and movement. Lena Adelsohn-Liljeroth tries to play along as best she can in what she sees as a “bizarre” situation, reciprocating the laughter.And on the other side of the cake, placed in the narrow space in front of a glass wall, stands one of the minister’s fiercest critics, visual artist and provocateur Marianne Lindberg De Geer, camera at the ready. And she snaps pictures of the whole series of events, as the minister is egged into doing more outrageous things, performing for the crowd.It’s of course no coincidence. The whole thing was carefully planned, a “mousetrap” as one Swedish artist puts it. And based on how much traction the picture of the event has garnered, it was a very efficient mousetrap indeed.Who’s Makode Linde, who staged the whole event? He is a visual artist, and as such has continuously asked uncomfortable questions about race, racial stereotyping and his own position as a black man in a condescending elite art world. The golliwog figure is a consistent image in his artwork, being placed on everyday objects, on paintings grinning nervously at the king, gawking in horror from children’s faces, at times undergoing almost formalist destruction. But just as importantly: he’s a club promoter and a DJ, one of Sweden’s most successful, who knows exactly how to manipulate crowds and their emotions.And I’m left wondering – whatever the artist himself says – if the intended artwork here is not the cake, nor the performance, but the picture. Because what Makode Linde and Marianne Lindberg De Geer have produced is a picture which is incredibly powerfully laden with symbolism of colonial exploitation.
(that's from jaymc's link; sorry I shouldve cleaned that c+p up a little)
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i read that earlier. interesting, but speculative. i'd hoped that linde's statements would skew in that direction, as the consumption in context is far more compelling and challenging than the cake in isolation (as the internet frenzy demonstrates).
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
some good articles out about this today.this thread led to a LONG and contentious discussion last night with a woman i'm dating that ended with a disagreement about whether racism is determined by intent or impact.it got more complicated cause i thought linde was white and that put the whole thing in a different direction for her, not so much for me.
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
most racism is in the eye of the offended, as I think I've said elsewhere. one of those "if you think I'm being racist, I might be. if you and she think I'm being racist, then I should check myself. if a lot of people think it... then I'm probably being really racist"
― mh, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
I am semi-bothered by the conflation of "racist" and "offensive" but not enough to make a strong argument about it
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
ha this is one of the only things itt where the thread title is salient
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
idk, if racism has been reduced simply to a matter of being offensive or taking offense, unconnected to any objectively measurable harm, then racism has become kind of toothless and weak, compared to its old robust self as measured by Jim Crow, apartheid and colonialism.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
Offense resulting from insensitivity towards another culture is almost inevitable from anyone - ignorance alone can see to that. But thinking that race is determinant in whether one deserves privilege (or should be denied it) and all the subsequent harms that inevitably flow from such a belief is an easier target to defeat.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
*(farts)* - "Damn, you're racist today."
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
xp yeah, but:1) racism (especially in its institutionalized state) DOES continue to be connected to objectively measurable harm; US prison system would be exhibit A12) even if it had somehow disconnected from direct harm that still doesn't make it an ignorable evil
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
this is a fine rule of thumb, but how do we square it with our general view of popular opinion? i mean, i'm kind of oppositional-defiant by nature, skeptical of appeals to social consensus as virtue or truth. if the vast majority of americans suddenly decided that gay marriage should be illegal, it wouldn't make me any more likely to agree. i am proud of the fact that my opinions and values are mine, and not simple accordance with my social environment.
that said, i would defer to criticism in in some cases simply because i am a white male, and the history/ongoing reality of white racism, oppression, exploitation, privilege and power are so obvious as to be undeniable. i.e., if non-white people think i'm being racist (or if women think i'm being sexist), then i will to pay special attention to their criticisms because i can deny neither the ways in which my attitudes may have been shaped by my privilege, nor their right to significant grievance. i won't necessarily agree, but i will at least check myself.
my point is that it isn't the extent to which i seem to disagree with popular consensus that makes me step back from my beliefs where racism and sexism are concerned, but rather my particular position of relative privilege.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like Linde out-ing the piece as a mousetrap risks stopping the flow of condemnation towards the minister of culture, ostensibly the target of such a prank. I was looking for a cogent statement behind the piece, what Linde intended to get cross besides having a well-publicized gov't critic of provocative art having pictures taken of he by an enemy of hers, indulging in an outrageous and offensive spectacle; I haven't really found this to my satisfaction yet
xp to contenderizer
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
i've tried to argue in the past that racism (negative prejudice based on race) is distinct from and should be kept linguistically separate from both institutional racism (the mechanisms by which racial oppression is perpetuated in a society) and mere racial insensitivity/ignorance, though there's obviously a lot of overlap, and perhaps racism is as good an umbrella term as any.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
agree w all that, llb, but i feel that i don't know enough at this point to have an opinion. that's why i left my desire to agree with that "leo stoch" comment hanging.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah right on. I just feel like there is way mor going on than meets the eye (as much as there is of that!)
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
I definitely unintentionally glossed over that but taking offense is no doubt the tiniest indicator, whereas outright hostility, violence, and devaluing others is the core of it.
― mh, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
if the vast majority of americans suddenly decided that gay marriage should be illegal, it wouldn't make me any more likely to agree.
well, yeah, but the test here is: do we think gay people are reasonable human beings capable of making rational decisions? If yeah, then if you think a law or behavior may be offensive to gay people, then... ask gay people.
The minority party, the oppressed party, always has the first say of whether something is racist. If you're skeptical, then you might appeal a consensus among multiple members of that group. If no one from that group is present, you might have to go with a consensus best-guess among those you can poll.
It just kind of all comes down to the fact if it's person-to-person, you have very little ground for saying "I was not being racist" because perception trumps intent 100% of the time. If you can explain your intent and the perception is changed, then you might be ok, but if you were recorded in some way...
― mh, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
agree, mh, but only to a certain extent. bottom line, imo, is that people have a right to their feelings. if someone feels offended, then they have a right to have and express that feeling. it's important to remember, however, that just because a feeling is present does not mean that it has any automatic claim to virtue or correctness. to be offended is not necessarily to be in the right, nor is to have given offense necessarily to be in the wrong.
i agree with you that minorities and those with less social privilege/power have the first say as to whether or not something is racist (sexist, homophobic, etc). i say this not because their views are more likely to be correct than anyone else's (they aren't), and not because "perception trumps intent" (it doesn't), but simply because my personal ethics cause me to defer as a result of my position of relative privilege.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno, i guess i'm getting hung up on small differences. we fundamentally seem to agree with one another.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
bottom line, imo, is that people have a right to their feelings. if someone feels offended, then they have a right to have and express that feeling. it's important to remember, however, that just because a feeling is present does not mean that it has any automatic claim to virtue or correctness. to be offended is not necessarily to be in the right, nor is to have given offense necessarily to be in the wrong.
this is pretty much exactly what I said
― mh, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
^ but it isn't? i'm going out of my way to point out that being offended doesn't automatically grant anyone the moral or factual high ground. the only thing causes me to defer are my attitudes towards the responsibilities that attend power imbalances.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
Well, sure, but if it's someone you're talking to and they're like "That's RACIST" then you can expand on what you meant and they can understand and drop it, but if they're insistent then there's no reason to tell them they're wrong or do some "oh, we'll have to agree to disagree" stuff, you just drop it.
Dropping it or just letting the point go doesn't grant anyone else the high ground, but really... there is nothing to be gained from arguing about how you weren't racist.
― mh, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
the only thing causes me to defer are my attitudes towards the responsibilities that attend power imbalances.
erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances"
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp - agreed
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
as a rule of thumb, allowing for situational variances...
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
The nearly complete silence on the question of Swedish culture -- which is a real thing, and Linde as an African Swede knew he was pushing particularly Swedish non-confrontational mores and the very Swedish thing of laughing and joking your way out of ugly and embarrassing situations -- is pretty striking. European racism works in very different ways -- often more bizarrely complex ways -- than American racism, and Americans commenters on this scene who reduce it to "white people laughing at black pain" are misreading it. The reality may be just as ugly, but it's a different ugly picture than that one.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
"I think the point made by that Tumblr is more that it was an appropriation of an experience that wasn't his and presented in a manner almost guaranteed to be offensive and misunderstood, showing a profound lack of empathy for the issues meant to be addressed by the piece in the first place."
#cake2012
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
TWU, I don't even know how to google this Swedish non-confrontational culture. Can you either describe it more or pass on a few links?
This is all I could find, and I have no idea what it means except that Swedes are… shy?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YURgTndk4hg/T0QzUZcfL0I/AAAAAAAAAEw/PUf6kifq5Sg/s1600/Swedish+Bus+Stop+Joke.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
It's a little impossible to talk about without quickly getting into exaggeration and stereotyping (see how this works?) but it's a sort of extreme distaste for getting into other people's lives and business. If what you do bugs me, I will avoid you forever before I call you out on it.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
USA: slavery abolished 1865Sweden: slavery first outlawed in 1335
Of course, Sweden has close to zero percent minorities, yeah there's that.
As far as moral high ground goes, Sweden is pretty good about gender equality, invests heavily in the arts (even to a tasteless excess), and hasn't been in a military conflict in two hundred years. The US on the other hand fails to support art in favor of Money and Military culture. The US is the world's number one supplier of weapons, treasure, and political power to the dictators that allow FGM.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
OTM on the culture differences. Being totally overlooked here.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think we need to kick the US to note that Sweden is not like the States and that exploring context and using circumspection are always a good way to go.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swedish+culture+non-confrontation
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
I have a great degree of skepticism about the malice of the ppl involved.
Has anyone read the TNC piece about the American right not understanding racism in the US as anything more than a means to trip up your opponents? It speaks to a part of the left, too, imho, and if you think this ought to be a learning experince for the Swedish, for that museum and the Culture Minister, that's fine. It may a good opportunity to learn something about Swedes, for some ppl, too.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Listen, Three-Word. Don't talk down to me like I'm from Finland.
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
Man that reminds me of the Swedish doctor in 'The Kingdom' who cannot quite contain his withering contempt for the Danes.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
Just teasing. I'm not Swedish, so I can.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
michael white OTM @ 3:05 pm PST
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
Good enough for a Fin, too damn good for a Swede.
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, man. This isn't where Minnesota Nice got watered down from, is it?
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
*lowers blinds*
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 19 April 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
The US is the world's number one supplier of weapons, treasure, and political power to the dictators that allow FGM.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), den 18 april 2012 23:58 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sweden is actually the world's number one supplier of weapons, if you count per capita. and constantly sell surveillance equipment and weapons to dictators, through government owned companies.
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
Why would you count per capita?
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
every Swede spends a few hours a day constructing and exporting weapons.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
In between bites of cake, I suppose
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
Per capita's worth noting given that Sweden has about 9m people and the only countries who export more arms have at least seven times that.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
Hmmm....did not know that. Per capita, of course.
Fwiw Sweden was the 1st country to legislate against FGM.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
1st Western country
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
I still am not really seeing how the country's population correlates at all with its capacity/desire to produce weapons, or why that's an interesting statistic beyond "here is a list where Sweden comes first", unless you are looking at weapon manufacture in comparison with Sweden's other industries
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
bomb sweden
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
t's a sort of extreme distaste for getting into other people's lives and business. If what you do bugs me, I will avoid you forever before I call you out on it.
File under "things I have spent my adult life un-learning."
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.defencetalk.com/swedish-weapons-exports-on-the-rise-24690/
article on this from 2010. it doesn't say anything about sales relative to other countries tho.
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
Sweden's sixth in the world overall, after the US, Russia, France, China and the UK - all countries with traditionally much larger manufacturing industries and domestic armies.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
at least in 2010, 80% of their exports went to the rest of europe. the bomb-basket of europe! like the danes and butter
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
I am not saying gross production isn't a useful or informative statistic; I am questioning the relevance/usefulness of per capita production in comparison with other countries.
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
That's really wild, i had no idea about that stuff.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
Sweden = Saab Aerospace = fighter jet exports
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
bizarre thread where i inevitably find contenderizer's stances weasel-y & defensive
― man down (D-40), Friday, 20 April 2012 06:07 (eleven years ago) link
it may be that we're just not all that well suited to one another
http://sarahburningham.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Heartbreak_Cookie.jpg
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.hayibo.com/africans-shocked-by-uncivilized-antics-of-european-savages/
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
is that like a European version of the Onion or something?
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Saturday, 21 April 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
It has a separate category (alongside Arts & Entertainment / Sport / Politics) for Julius Malema - I'm guessing not.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 21 April 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Oh ok I did not pay attention too much to any of the details
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
/the only thing causes me to defer are my attitudes towards the responsibilities that attend power imbalances./erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances" --yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer)
erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances" --yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer)
This is a pretty impressive way of saying "I tend to respect the experience of the offended party."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
i knew i must have meant something
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 April 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 April 2012 08:45 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOI2GGY1SeE
Sort of feel bad for this guy
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
I would love to believe that this was just a case of neighbors being suspicious of people in an empty house, but I know it wasn't.
The Newton County Sheriff’s Office is investigating why a couple was confronted at gunpoint by neighbors and then arrested and forced to spend the night in jail when they tried to move into the home they had just purchased, Channel 2 Action News reported.The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man’s son allegedly confronted them.“He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us,” the husband told Channel 2.The neighbors didn’t believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff’s Office. The Kalonjis didn’t have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.Yvette Harris, the couple’s real estate agent, said they never should have been arrested.“They rightfully own this house,” Harris said.Kalonji, who grew up in the Congo, said the experience brought back painful memories.“There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,” he said.Mark Mitchell, spokesman for the Newton Sheriff’s Office, said authorities are “looking into it, exactly what occurred, why it occurred.”A person at the neighbors’ house said no one wanted to talk to Channel 2 about the incident.
The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.
But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man’s son allegedly confronted them.
“He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us,” the husband told Channel 2.
The neighbors didn’t believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff’s Office. The Kalonjis didn’t have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.
Yvette Harris, the couple’s real estate agent, said they never should have been arrested.
“They rightfully own this house,” Harris said.
Kalonji, who grew up in the Congo, said the experience brought back painful memories.
“There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,” he said.
Mark Mitchell, spokesman for the Newton Sheriff’s Office, said authorities are “looking into it, exactly what occurred, why it occurred.”
A person at the neighbors’ house said no one wanted to talk to Channel 2 about the incident.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
in before 50 commenters explaining that the Kalonjis shouldn't have been acting suspicious
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
You know, all these gun-happy freedom nuts could pick on some actual bad guys from time to time, instead of poor minorities just trying to get through life. Why don't we ever hear about this happening to some asshole CEO?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
i think there's a chappelle show sketch about that
― Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
It's crazy how gun usage tends to slide from protection of self to protection of property to protection of property that you don't even have a personal interest in. Hey, someone is doing something mildly suspicious to a FORECLOSED FUCKING HOUSE. Should I call the police? No, I'll just go over there and force them to the ground with my gun.
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
You know we're LIVING in a SOCIETY!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
and the reaction to slow police? "I could call the police but they'll be gone by the time the police get there! I need a gun!"
instead of
"I could call the police but they'll be gone by the time the police get there. Why do we not fund the police properly or have them concentrating on the correct priorities?!?"
― mh, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
xp to that english teacher vid: good lord wtf, that goes from sad to awkward offensive comedy sketch v quickly. he honestly says that he uses the word so he'll feel "more comfortable" with his black students. how do people get to that point in their lives/careers without even the slightest idea of what reclamation is?
as a sidenote, i really hate how in stories like these, there's always a rush to make sure that everyone watching it knows that the black child is an honor roll student, a football player, junior ROTC, boy scout, etc. i'm never sure how much of that narration is happening simply to describe the kid and his hobbies -- it usually comes off sounding like "he's on the good ones" and implying that it wouldn't be a story worth caring about if he came off as a "thug" to white people. can't help paying more attention to it after trayvon.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
it's sad that kids have complete idiots for teachers
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
but really fucking common
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62QSiduReWo
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
i knew instantly, something was about to go terribly wrong...
"i'm the n[BEEP], AAAAAAAAHHHH!"
the irony of this attack?
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
if you've ever seen a live TV newscaster in action you'll know that it is very hard to resist fucking with them, they are such horrible douchebags
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
I've mentioned that my sister-in-law is a live TV newscaster, right
somehow I have little difficulty believing that you are the bigger douchebag here
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
Did you guys watch the whole thing?
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't know that, actually. was not meant as a personal insult.xp
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Dude should have been arrested for disturbing the peace and being an ass, but AFTER REPORTING ON VICTIMS ALL THESE YEARS, SHE NOW KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A VICTIM HERSELF?
It's like saying AFTER REPORTING ON RACISM ALL THESE YEARS, NOW I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE THE N-WORD SCREAMED AT ME WHILE MINDING MY BUSINESS ON THE STREET.
I mean, she's not exactly Lara Logan here.
outside of that, a reporter reporting on the news that happened in her report made my mind collapse. it's all gone now.
― pplains, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that it ends up being about victim's advocates, cuz the reporter is so worried that the guy is gonna "attack" her again once he gets out of jail (for "attacking" her in the first place)
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
tbh I stopped watching as soon as it devolved into a clip of watching a clip of someone reporting on what happened to them in a previous clip
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
I love that she requested to know when he was out on bond.
Like she needed to prepare herself if he shows up while she's shopping at Costco and grabs the zucchini right from her hand and go "I'm that n*****, aaaaaaaaah"
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
This incident was classified as an "assault"?
― Aimless, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
What the fuck would you classify it as? Horseplay?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
Second degree shenanigans
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
We looked the other way when Kanye West assaulted Taylor Swift. Here we are, America. Here we are.
― pplains, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
attempted japes
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
aggravated tomfoolery
tbh I was too busy laughing at this being reported as SRS NEWS to get to the end of that clip, so learning that she's now terrified of this dude is kind of extra hilarious to me
I mean, obv this would end up being classified as "assault" because what else could you legally call it, but acting like this is on par with getting punched/kicked/beaten/attacked is seriously dumb and minimizes the seriousness of the actual violent crime the original report was about
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
I wanna hear how this reporter went all Jennifer Jason Leigh-shooting-Greg Allman after all this went down.
― pplains, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
I can't imagine being so uptight about your shitty local news show that you would press charges against this dude
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
oh I totally can, I just can't imagine trying to cast that as "zomg terrible violent crime I've been violated"
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
Having your shit fucked with is no fun, particularly when it's in front of a large audience*, and if it includes force then yeah, that's assault. It's not grevious assault or aggravated assault, but it's the kind of thing that people can get fucked up by, and 'lol walk it off' is kind of an insufficient response.
Tho obviously yeah enormous eye-rolling at the Wire season 5ishness of "Something happened to me - pulitzer here I come!" and "Now that I am a victim I can pay attention to this support network that I would've happily ignored for the rest of my days otherwise". It does strike me that it's probably more opportunism than "And _that's_ why you should be afraid of black men! *headtilt*" but I may well be being too generous.
* really have no idea how large the audience on this was.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
forgot to put "trigger warning" on this for Farrell I guess
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
You're a trigger warning.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
you know what would have been perfect, is if in the followup report dude had burst back in, snatched the mic and shouted "I'M STILL THAT N_____, AAAAAAAAAAAH"
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
loooooool
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
Am I the only person who thought of SNL's "Buckwheat has been shot" when they did the slow motion replay?
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
I am also dying at "I knew instantly that something was about to go TERRIBLY WRONG..."
also lol at the unearned back-patting over the "good police work" that managed to secure a picture of the person who jumped in front of a running video camera
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Channel seven reports that police have identified THAT N_____ AAAAHHHHHHH!
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
at the end of the day, I think we can all agree that this is Odd Future's fault
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
hah is that an odd future meme?
― dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:15 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also how i feel about most "assault on a police officer" charges.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
it's probably like low-level misdemeanor assault or something. It's at least some level of misdemeanor in most if not all states to deliberately make any kind of unwanted contact with another person (beyond, you know, tapping them on the shoulder to ask what time it is or w/e)
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
not specifically that I know of, it's just that whole thing looks like it fell out of a Loiter Squad promo
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
ashley taylor is kinda ws of shame
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
ok grabbing a mic from somebody is not assault
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's theft
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
no it's adultery
― dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
This dude is guilty of second-degree lamping
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
ahaha
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
loool
― dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
at some point they will be able to add a Flag Post option to reality so we won't need to arrest people over things like this
― crüt, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
Is it just me or was there a laser pointer dot on the police guy's shirt for a second after they flipped the camera to him at the end of him speaking? Lots of shenanigans going down.
― mh, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
oh my god that poor journalist how long was she in hospital for getting treated for the assault?
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
second-degree lamping is all-time
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
The third report about that report would have been well worth watching.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
The slow mo like america's most wanted is what really does it for me.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
except he couldn't because she had him arrested
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 07:13 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtBfvjsSjag
note the name of the store that had crime in it
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 07:16 (eleven years ago) link
how can that be?
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 07:26 (eleven years ago) link
If this were a poll, I don't know which I'd vote for: "I'm THAT N_, AAAAAHHHHH!" or Gay Dolphin.
― I wish to be DINOSAUR SOLDIER again...and for EVERY WEAPON (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
I know it's 2012, but I want to see the Keyboard Cat version of this report.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
he's out on bail, as was painstakingly detailed in the "now I am a victim of a crime" portion of the report
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.gaydolphin.com/
this store is a Thing, apparently!
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
Dangit, Cape Fear was in North Carolina. Would've liked to see dude doing push-ups in his cell, looking at a picture of her with I'M THE NIGGHAAUUURREEEEEYAAAAAA scrawled across her face.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
Justin and Eloise also operated three of Myrtle Beach’s original guest houses: The Tuck-Em Inn, The Coast Inn and The Just Inn
― I wish to be DINOSAUR SOLDIER again...and for EVERY WEAPON (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
one time my friends and I shot a TV news van with squirt guns and the cops showed up at my house not long afterwards...
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone know who the drummer for Gay Dolphin was?
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
Asking for a friend btw.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
if dude had shown up for the follow-up report it'd be chappelle sketch as real life event
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/8OGPj.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
jeezus
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
uh
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's racist
Cross reference w/ This is Sexist thread. So gross.
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
finally, Urb magazine gave up on trying to hide their real interest in live event coverage
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
awful, simply awful...
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
she looks good for having had a kid - wonder where bronfmann is though
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
she looks good for having had a kid
this is kind of a disgusting way to talk imo
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure that's a joke
― goole, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
xp you're missing the concernbait forest for the trees
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
lol this explanation's always good - what's the joke, at whose expense?
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's a "lol, they all look the same to meeeee" joke
always good for a larf
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
she looks a bit like MIA was the thrust of the post I believe
― wring wring wring wring wring wring wring wring homophone (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just happy to be living in the post-racial age
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
well you've not been banned yet so
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
i joke
The late great has donned, like the late great actors that he is no doubt named after, the artifice of someone who thinks all multi-ethnic women look like MIA, and also that it would be appropriate to comment on her post-baby body. The joke is in a sense on all of us, mistaking the gleam in his eye, but he has an artist's generous soul, and is will to encompass us all under his forgiving wings, to take the joke finally onto himself. The make-up is sublime, the seams near-invisible, etc etc.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
yes i think that's the joke: "that person looks like mia"
― goole, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
what a delightfully-formed "joke"!
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
FYI: This is what MIA looks like:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/MIA_front_face.jpg/220px-MIA_front_face.jpg
Bearing in mind WHAT FUCKING THREAD YOU'RE ON, do you want to run that one by me again?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
I'm losing track now, who is genuinely angry and who is kidding
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
i'm kidding
i think
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
I think it was more a Urb magazine joke than a "looks like MIA joke"
why because they probably ran one zillion pictures of MIA
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
mmmmmmmaybe
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
would have sex with all these non-white women.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
(& white)
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
living in this super sexy post-racial age
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
I'm racial
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
racial is kind of a beautiful name
racial, i can almost see you.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
racial maddow
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
the racial haircut
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
I remember Pedro from Real World SF used to call Rachel, "Racial." Always thought it was cute.
― nickn, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
like racical instead of radical
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lhXGkeMdOJs
― goole, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
the urb thing reminds me of the unfortunate 'biracial hotties' thread jaymc started back in the day
― ✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
"I think mixed-race people are so hot" is always an awkward one to deal with.
― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
So Cleveland Indians announcer Tom Hamilton was just making some observations during today's game about the amusing rapport that Kansas City outfielder Jeff Francouer has developed with fans in right-field in Oakland. He concluded, "It can't be easy to make friends with those guys. Most of them are on parole!"
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
tbf Oakland's crime rate is insane
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
they're already at 30+ homicides this year iirc
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
wow the "is this racist?" thread finally gets a crossover with the "OMG I LOVE RIBS/BACON/CORNDOGS/FRIED CHICKEN" thread
― ✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
and not even with an obvious fried chicken connection
― ✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
this thread suddenly is making me crave Cajun Joe's
― albert rotman (loves laboured breathing), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
I don't see that many black people in the section in the photo
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
I think Oakland-fan bashing is an equal opportunity deal-not racist. If 30% of Raider fans aren't on parole, i'm sure at least that many would lie to you and tell you that they are to seem badass. Not sure about A's fans.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
30% of Raiders fans are on parole, the other 70% jumped bail iirc
― mh, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
there are a bunch of MLB teams located in cities with murder rates around or higher than oakland's
― dayo, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
i'm so proud
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/12/30/philadelphia-closes-2011-with-highest-per-capita-murder-rate-in-u-s/
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
yet a baseball announcer would never say that the right field bleachers of citizens bank are filled with people on parole
― dayo, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
Also I bring it up because years ago, when the Indians were playing the Yankees in the Bronx, Hamilton said on the air, "I would no sooner bring my family here than I would bring them to Harlem."
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
― dayo, Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:12 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ummmmmm.......
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
they put bleachers in banks now
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
It's to watch all the foreclosures.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
It's hard to watch a Philly game in any sport and not hear about the fact that the fans either 1) pelted Santa Claus with snowballs; 2)cheered the fact that Michael Irvin was possibly paralyzed and 3) are so unruly they have to have a makeshift courtroom in the stadium. Philadelphia is Oakland West, at least as far as bad fan-base reputations go.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
they boo bad landings iirc
no wonder the landings are bad if philly is 'oakland west' tho
anyway, here is some racism: http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/menu.htm
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 April 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
Raiders fans are universally considered reprobates & it's an image they cultivate and enjoy. A's fans, not that I know of.
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 April 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/mch13.jpg
'hammer'? sounds violent
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
Omg @ Ferris State
― albert rotman (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 27 April 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be less concerned about the Jim Crow Museum if they had chosen a less playful typeface for the signage.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 27 April 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
somebody had to put grampa's collection of kkk-themed pocketknives and blackface halloween masks to good use, i suppose
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Friday, 27 April 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
Actually the curator's story is pretty interesting and affecting http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/collect/
― raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 27 April 2012 03:45 (eleven years ago) link
pretty fucking incredible essay imo
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 April 2012 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 April 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
very good essay - thank you for sharing
― Nhex, Friday, 27 April 2012 04:38 (eleven years ago) link
fucking incredible essay
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:05 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Friday, 27 April 2012 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
had missed that on glancing at the site, thanks silby
I really want to hear about how horrible A's and W's fans are
― windjammer voyage (blank), Friday, 27 April 2012 05:12 (eleven years ago) link
that essay made me cry. i went to the holocaust museum in LA a month ago, spent three hours there, met a holocaust survivor. that essay was more powerful than that.
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 06:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I went to HS and am friends with someone on the history faculty at Ferris State; doesn't strike me as the kind of place that would stumble on something like this.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
Was the point of posting the Ferris State exhibit to posit the question "is posting this exhibit to this thread racist?"
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
had the same response to the article as the late great, but i cry pretty easily though
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
wow dude
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
like i got a little misty-eyed at the end of toy story III, so...
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
Dude, that incinerator scene was nothing to laugh at.
― pplains, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
seriously that was intense
― Nhex, Friday, 27 April 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
pixar somehow understands how to incite bro tears
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 April 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
its a metaphor
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
I will end with a story. One of my daughters plays on an elite soccer team, meaning her practices are never done on time. One day I sat in the van with my other daughter waiting for practice to end. Nearby several white boys were clowning in front of two girls. They were all teenagers. One of the boys wore a blackfaced mask and he mocked the mannerisms of "street blacks." He turned toward us and I immediately looked at my daughter. She had lowered her head and covered her face. If you have a child then you know what I felt. If your skin is dark then you know why I do what I do.
fucking hell sometimes I hate the world so much
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
One of the boys wore a blackfaced mask
― goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
hi guys, welcome to my America
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
hopefully "why i do what i do" means jumping out of the van and beating those kids w/ a golf club
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
i'm shocked to hear you wear blackface masks dan; really disappointed with you
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Friday, April 27, 2012 6:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
that essay is one of the best and most affecting conveyances of life under the weight of racism that I have ever read.
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
When I was reading the essay and looking at the images I was of course reminded of european anti-Jewish caricatures -- it's interesting how they have a similar hateful exaggeration to them, as though they were actually drawn under the influence of a kind of pornographic, titilated rage.
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.captainthoms.com/voodoo_L.jpg
I wanted to try it because I really like another of their sauces, but I felt uncomfortable bringing it up to the checkout counter. Note: in Whole Foods it didn't actually have a Voodoo Doll affixed to it. I discovered that looking it up online.
― frogsclovetofu (beachville), Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6_2PjDQdXI
hope it's not racist to think this is funny as hell.
― misty sensorium (Plasmon), Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
reminds me of that dude who had all the beverages for different types of ladeez in his place
― the late great, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
I wasn't aware of this stereotype where black people couldn't stop singing inside McDonalds.
― pplains, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
no idea if that's racist or not but she is very funny
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't laugh, but I wasn't offended. There is something about the running gag of an African-American slipping into jive after eating some Mickey D's/home cooking/listening to the Gap Band that gets a little old, but I'm a little too removed from it to really look down upon it to make a judgement.
― pplains, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:28 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha tfg i had forgotten
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't really laugh, but she's super-cute.
― frogsclovetofu (beachville), Saturday, 28 April 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
who was that dude
"got the green tea for the erykah badu headwrap wearin b*tches"
― the late great, Saturday, 28 April 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
she is super cute but that grey top is sorta nasty looking, like her much better in florals
― the late great, Saturday, 28 April 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRL7D0wcXM
― pplains, Saturday, 28 April 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
haha oh yes, mr chi city
― the late great, Saturday, 28 April 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
'droppin vagina panties'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 April 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
mcdonalds woman should be on tv, real talk
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
uh, she is on tv
― dayo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1018068/
― dayo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
There are more movies on this list than the Benjamin Harrison and Rutherford Hayes pages combined.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0053706/
Nothing to do with racism. The Henry Kissenger page likely has more anyway.
― pplains, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theawl.com/2012/05/the-definitive-list-of-white-music-stolen-by-black-people
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
― frogsclovetofu (beachville), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
'stolen'
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
― pplains, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
i guess that's what we're all asking ourselves, right?
the headline just seems offensively dumb and inflammatory but i guess that's the linkbait huh
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
the awl sux
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not really grasping the point but no, i don't think so
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
a shame how the staple singers stole 'slippery people' from the talking heads, never forget
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
its a tongue in cheek response to a silly onion av club article
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
never heard this cougar/me'shell cover of wild night, pretty dreadful
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
i LOVE that cover of wild night!
― wraparound shades from pharmacy (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
wish it were more.. tongue-behind-cheek
― wraparound shades from pharmacy (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
well rest easy knowing that i would not be so hard on it if i hadn't watched the video. mellencamp goes down a lot smoother when i don't have to look at him. also wild night is one of those songs where i can't really understand how a cover would ever be necessary.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
this list would have been funnier had they just matched up random songs with similar titles that sounded nothing alike, or if every pair had been the wrong way around as opposed yo just a couple
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
It took three tongues in three cheeks to write that article.
― pplains, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
that's sexy
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
yo just a couple
― wraparound shades from pharmacy (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
many times I have cursed the proximity of 't' and 'y' on the keyboard but never louder than today
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
no no! thank you so much.
― yo just a couple (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
is it racist to satirize rap if, by all indications, you've never actually heard rap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ2ZVWyOVRI
― del griffith, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
lol you guys got trolled by the awl
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
need frogbs' input on this one
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
RE AWL: cute response to a serious-face article from butthurt white boy
butt hurt >>> http://www.avclub.com/articles/our-white-people-problems-problem-why-its-time-to,72974/
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
is this das racist?
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
that Onion article seemed legit to me
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
the problem with the original article is that the real reason to stop using "white" as pejorative is because it doesn't work
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
certainly hasn't stopped people from trying
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
The whole point in saying "white people" pejoratively is to treat white people as reductively as white people treat other races.
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
Like how does dude walk away from the Roots/Mad Men comparison being like "Wow, that doesn't get white people at all" instead of being like "It's really unfair to peg watching one of the most highly viewed TV events of all time as something indicative of the black experience in america"
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
because that wasn't the point of the article, maybe
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
i really feel bad for white ppl. their lives are so safe, so bland and boring :(
― Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten)
the only people i know who bemoan "white people" are white people.
― zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, those "white people" are the worst kind of white people. there's two kinds of white people. there's white people, and then there's "white people" who are ruining it for all the white people.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
i agree with the onion guy that using "white" as a pejorative is stupid and unthinking but not really for the reasons that he lists, which are weird and personal
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
haha mordy
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
this is a much better, more persuasive and more succinct argument for ending "white" as an insult
http://agrammar.tumblr.com/post/207970845/white
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
that's so bougie
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
ugh, blogs.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
Can't tumblr at work, max. What's the gist?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
endless bougie
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
teach me how to bougie
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
see, that was smart
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
I agree with nabisco but we've already established that everybody in America is middle class except for Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
God I hate the Anglo use of 'bougie'...
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
I guess that makes me insufferably bourgeois
just c/p the whole thing here:
Ezra Koenig is not incorrect about this. I might even replace “infrequently mentioned” with “infrequently even noticed.” For me, this was a constant surprise in reactions to Vampire Weekend’s debut: how often and how casually the band was described—or derided—as being white, or consisting of WASPs. Given how much it bothered me as a third party, I can only imagine how irritating it’d be to have white people criticize you for being “white” when you’re Persian; to have Protestants write you off as a WASP when you’re Jewish; maybe even to have people call you a WASP when your name is Baio.This isn’t just pedantry about the meanings of words, though. Most of what people are trying to shorthand when they call indie acts “white” is set of ideas about social manner and social class: what they’re doing is fundamentally just a modern-American youth-culture spin on calling people bourgeois. (Obviously the last thing you’ll risk when calling out an indie band for being bourgeois is actually using an upscale word like “bourgeois.”) As always, much of it is a game of small differences: middle-class youth reprimanding one another for being whatever they’re most embarrassed to be. Koenig and Batmanglij can be those things, too—of course they can.I don’t even object to the inevitable use of shorthand for those things. (The English have an interesting term: “student types.”) What surprises me, though, is how many white speakers—including people who are relatively savvy about race and culture—seem completely unbothered by the very obvious problems involved in using a racial shorthand for them. Some will quite casually use “white” as code for a certain set of qualities—safety, cleverness, politeness, education, middle-class manner, “literary” pretensions, alleged blandness—without, so far as I can tell, much noticing the shadow of opposites that casts on everyone else. (Danger? Vulgarity? Ignorance? Poverty? Savagery?) Some will argue, in earnest, that they’re actually taking the side of some vibrant other thing over bland, upscale whiteness—all without noticing how very old and familiar that line is. (Haven’t white audiences traditionally admired black artists as a source of transgression, of danger, of dirt, of “authenticity,” of “soul,” of “primitive” thrills?)But even more than those obvious issues, I’m surprised by how this mode of thinking can lead people to actually misapprehend what’s right in front of their eyes—straight down to the ability to look at four guys in a band, one of them a Persian guy with the surname Batmanglij, and say, without missing a beat, that you’re looking at four white guys. The ability to look at a crowd at an indie show and claim that everyone’s white, even when you’re surrounded by two dozen east Asians. The ability to use “white” to mean “middle-class” to such an overwhelming extent that you actually start to misidentify people—all so that race itself, not class or background or culture or manner, can still remain the difference, the Other. There’s an odd habit here.
This isn’t just pedantry about the meanings of words, though. Most of what people are trying to shorthand when they call indie acts “white” is set of ideas about social manner and social class: what they’re doing is fundamentally just a modern-American youth-culture spin on calling people bourgeois. (Obviously the last thing you’ll risk when calling out an indie band for being bourgeois is actually using an upscale word like “bourgeois.”) As always, much of it is a game of small differences: middle-class youth reprimanding one another for being whatever they’re most embarrassed to be. Koenig and Batmanglij can be those things, too—of course they can.
I don’t even object to the inevitable use of shorthand for those things. (The English have an interesting term: “student types.”) What surprises me, though, is how many white speakers—including people who are relatively savvy about race and culture—seem completely unbothered by the very obvious problems involved in using a racial shorthand for them. Some will quite casually use “white” as code for a certain set of qualities—safety, cleverness, politeness, education, middle-class manner, “literary” pretensions, alleged blandness—without, so far as I can tell, much noticing the shadow of opposites that casts on everyone else. (Danger? Vulgarity? Ignorance? Poverty? Savagery?) Some will argue, in earnest, that they’re actually taking the side of some vibrant other thing over bland, upscale whiteness—all without noticing how very old and familiar that line is. (Haven’t white audiences traditionally admired black artists as a source of transgression, of danger, of dirt, of “authenticity,” of “soul,” of “primitive” thrills?)
But even more than those obvious issues, I’m surprised by how this mode of thinking can lead people to actually misapprehend what’s right in front of their eyes—straight down to the ability to look at four guys in a band, one of them a Persian guy with the surname Batmanglij, and say, without missing a beat, that you’re looking at four white guys. The ability to look at a crowd at an indie show and claim that everyone’s white, even when you’re surrounded by two dozen east Asians. The ability to use “white” to mean “middle-class” to such an overwhelming extent that you actually start to misidentify people—all so that race itself, not class or background or culture or manner, can still remain the difference, the Other. There’s an odd habit here.
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
i think pointing out 'white ppl problems' or 'white ppl show' or whatever, other issues aside, does challenge the ongoing notion that white culture is normative culture.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
(the missing quote is an oblique reference to how ppl constantly call Vampire Weekend, a band whose primary songwriters are Jewish and Persian, a WASP band)
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
what if someone says that a basketball team sucks because they have too many white players
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
oh sorry didnt realize i cut off the quote
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:41 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what if
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
frogbs raises a great point
I mean, what if
xp: damn u
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
*strokes chin*
completely the opposite of what we're talking about, frog
but coincidentally the nets DO suck because they have too many decemberists fans on the roster
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
of all the teams in the NBA, the nets are the team with too many white players?
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
that it is, but there's an example of using "white" as a perjorative that's at least a little more acceptable
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzYany excuse to post louis
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
WHEEEEE
maybe Whiney actually wasn't using an INDIE=WHITE=BAD shorthand for once and just happens to know that DeShawn Stevenson is really into The Crane Wife
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
guys, i'm gonna be honest with you, i just named the first basketball team that came to my head.
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I have trouble believing that Whiney could name one current white basketball player
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
how the heck does some dude know who deshawn stevenson is??
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5kzqNmXQQk
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
have we had the "White Mamba" discussion on this thread yet, because it would be appropriate
google, dude (xpost)
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
i mean...i had to google the name of a decemberists album too, fwiw
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:46 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what on earth
― max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
haha i was impressed for a minute there
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
oh, hey, scalabrine's a ginger. respect!
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:51 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I def cannot. I know the big guy with the shaggy hair from all the gifs
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll423kfkmS1qb99z5o1_500.jpg
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/EmilyMarieMaki.jpg
I thought Whiney was just interested in the nets cuz they're jay-z's team
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
i'm actually thinking about becoming a basketball fan to root for the Nets
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wait i don't even know who this is
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
i'm actually thinking about becoming a hip-hop fan to listen to jay-z!
― pplains, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
like when the brooklyn nets win, it's a 1/3 victory for hip-hop
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
also a 2/3 victory for russia
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
a total victory for russian hip-hop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WB2ayaX_BU&feature=related
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.scripophily.com/webcart/vigs/nationalbiscuitvig1.jpgotm
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIf7_ZDGSHQ
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
yee, come on, that's right, check
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
when did fig newtons stop being so chesty?
― how's life, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
that's right, come on, yee
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
chest newtons losing market share to a competitor's fig-based newton product forced a shift in the national biscuit company's game plan
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
^ business
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
the best is i'll be talking about being persian and my friends will be like "oh come on, you're white". and i'm like, WTF man, i'm not white. look at me! and then they're like, no, you're white, you're from the wealthy coastal suburbs and you wear j crew and you have no accent. you're white!
so white people get to decide when i'm white, ie when it suits them for me to be white.
― the late great, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
To be fair, if your really Persian (and not one of the ethnic minorities of Iran, then you're definitely Aryan. The Shah was always fond of pointing that out.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
you're
rap songs with white people singing
ha, never really thought about it, but this is another great example of the marginalization of R&B. Scabs like Skylar Grey and Matthew Santos are stealing all the prime guest spots
― Evan R, Monday, April 30, 2012 8:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can we count bruno mars as white for this exercise?
― frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, April 30, 2012 8:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― dayo, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
this guy makes a convincing argument but i dunno, i've been told not to trust them there "trumblr whites"
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
in all seriousness, though, as much as nabs covers the main thing that's odious about that stuff, one of the other things that i find obnoxious about white people using "white" as an insult is the otherizing of your own race, like 'oh i'm white but it's okay i listen to rap and watch chappelle's show, that guy is WHITE white' which is just like a more passive way of pulling some 'black on the inside' bullshit.
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
plus it's just fucking stupid
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
nitsuh is not white
― ♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 6:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this one of the perks of being white and an important tool in maintaining our majority power, heads up latinos many of you're gonna be inducted into the club soon!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
newsflash latinos
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
memo to non black latinos: great news!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
as a black latino on the inside I find your post latino
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:38 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
hoos is mexican, dude
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
hoos is twin spirited
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:53 (eleven years ago) link
to be fair, if you're really persian then you're probably hot
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 6:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes. my new thing is just to shout YOU'RE LYING when white people tell me they think of me as white.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
for better or worse, i think of you as buffalonian
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
I met a girl last week who, after I told her my name, said "that is so spiritual"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
haaaa
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
p sure that's racist
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
oh well
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
horseshoe does anyone ever call you "nebula"
― omar little, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
'the horse's hoe nebula'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:46 (eleven years ago) link
I believe in spiritual last names
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
wait, thinking of me as buffalonian is not racist, to clarify, that is just true. telling an indian dude his name is "spiritual" is smurfy as hell and also a little racist.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
dang I want a spiritual last name, feel so wite rite now
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
indians hunted buffalo, but not those kind of indians and not that kind of buffalo. so i think it is racist.
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
or i'm racist, i dunno.
no one has ever called me nebula to my recollection. recently a student told me i look like velma from scooby doo, which is too true for contradiction. also not racist.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
has anyone ever complimented you on your mastery of english?
(i was present when this happened to my friend pratik)
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
that one has happened a number of times, and one time it was in the middle of the strangest-attempt-to-racially-place me encounter of my life. when i finally told this crazy and rude lady my parents were indian she said, "wow, you speak really well English."
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
I get asked where I am from about ever two to three days
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
"wow, you speak really well English."
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
and you said 'from a fantasy'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
I guess that's grammatically not incorrect, but who the hell puts the words in that order? xpost
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
one time i was at the gym on a treadmill and an old white dude walked up to me and said something and i had to take my headphones off to hear what he said and he repeated his question and it turned out to be "what's a four-letter-word for indian bread?" because he was doing a crossword and i automatically told him the answer but i was also annoyed.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
"I guess that's grammatically not incorrect"
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
xpost omg
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
notice the umlaut, in deutsch that would be correct
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
lmao naan
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
i am still mad at myself that i answered him all dutifully, like must make the old white man happy
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
maybe then it will be okay that i'm in his gym being all indian
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
so glad i could make myself useful
have we had "dumblr whites" introduced into the lexicon yet
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
i'm always glad to help out with a crossword tho
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fair game
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
that's not racist I would be happy to do that
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
its prob racist but still
i guess i just felt like there was something brusque in his manner. he didn't even say thank you! i felt made use of but not really addressed as a person?
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
like no hello, no could i ask you a question, just what's a four-letter-word for indian? and then i told him and he walked away. i sort of felt like a computer.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
ur siri
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
haha a four letter word for indian bread i meant
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
oh i'm sure it was racist i just like crosswords
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
it was a pretty fucking easy crossword judging by that clue if you ask me /still mad
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
totally racist, also it takes some balls to interrupt someone like that
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i appreciate cruciverbalism it's a bit cultish
even if someone was doing the hitlerjugend crossword i would probably help them out, tell them that afrika is spelt differently in german and all that
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
i really didn't bring it up to be like it was a huge deal and it scarred me. the question isn't inherently racist; that dude's manner and approach and i would imagine worldview were instrumentalizing of someone different than him, though.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
horseshoe, I think of you as a Ruffalonian.
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
that sounds like a setup from 90s uk-desi sketch show 'goodness gracious me', which would probably culminate in the asker being beaten about the head with a naan
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
there it is
xp omg is this a real show? is it funny???
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
"what's a four-letter-word for indian bread?"
"it's naan of your business"
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, crossword dude
that is so fucked that i don't want to believe u
also wtf get better at crosswords
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
it's a real show
i'm not sure if it's funny, i thought it was funny when i was 13
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
man if only i were quick like you <3 <3 <3
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
it was sometimes funny
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
but i fear youtube bombing this thread cos a lot of it wasn't v funny
'like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi' sounds like a goodness gracious me punchline
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
I guess he was asking you because of your phenotype but I would have spent a long time trying to think of an imaginary short word for Navajo fry bread and not been actually quick irl
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
it was kinda resourceful of the ol codger imho, i appreciated his willingness to sleuth around for his crossword answers
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
i am going to watch the whole thing thank you nakh and thank you uk desis
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
i suspect you shouldn't?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
ha i'd guess it's worth a look for curiosity's sake
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:17 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this whole encounter would have gone down differently in the southwest than in buffalo imo...all kinds of local demographics affect white people's assumptions about indeterminately-raced brown people. there weren't a lot of east indian americans in providence so when i lived there a significant number of white randoms would ask me if i was portuguese which to me was like ??? do i look white to you??? but i feel like portuguese whiteness was somehow not full whiteness in that region.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
i kinda think asking for help with crosswords is lame to begin with. i mean if a loved one is at the breakfast table with you and it's bugging you that you can't figure one out, sure, but going up to a stranger? you might as well do your crossword at the computer and google everything.
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
asking strangers for help with your crossword is a key element of afternoons in the pub tbh. but not based on racial profiling, obv
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
also gyms are so disgusting and i was all sweaty and i was like please don't attempt to interact with me in this state can't we just ignore each other like civilezed people
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
omg civilized i guess i am madder about this thing than i thought ps it happened like a decade ago
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
have a naan
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
passes u an ice cold naan straight out the indian store freezer
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
i actually did just have a naan for real (maybe that was what made me think of this?), but maybe i need another.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
it is the bread of our people
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's delicious. i particularly like it with coconut on top. also w/ cheese + spinach.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:26 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i actually did just have a naan
― horseshoe, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
XD
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
please don't jagger the naan mordy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just really munchy
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:20 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
portuguese people are kinda dark!
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
everyone thought I was spanish when I lived in europe
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
the difference between white men and white men, i guess
portuguese people are dark like italians can be dark like greeks can be dark...i had always assumed those people turned white in comparison with me, but providence is different racially than other places in the u.s. i've lived.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:54 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark
"at what age did you come over?"
portuguese and spanish people can be wayyy darker than italians or greeks
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
portuguese ppl totally aren't white in new england, haven't you seen mystic pizza???
― 1staethyr, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
I keep hearing this in my head to "One Toke Over the Line"
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:41 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes and i've also lived in providence, where there are a lot of portuguese americans. those people are still white though! i am interested in this "compromised" whiteness but i don't really get how it's different from a version of italian americanness, for example.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think it is quite different!
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
i consider portuguese people white for sure
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
well there is 'white' the identity but does anyone think that a randomly selected italian person would have the same chance at being mistaken for mexican as a randomly selected portuguese person
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
what an unportuguese turn this conversation has taken
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
we'll need a control group
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
I mean cristiano ronaldo is straight up darker than most italian people I am not sure what the pc way to put that is but I think I am allowed it because I am more or less as dark as he is also as attractive
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone know a nine letter word for portuguese shish kabob
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday, May 2, 2012 3:40 AM (5 minutes ago)
this is only rly gitanos i think.....otherwise like calabrese ppl look a lot like andalucians &c
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
ronaldo is madeiran
quite possibly has noneuropean ancestry
when I get really tan in the summer some people think I'm thai \O_o/
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
I did not know he was made there
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
this is polemic
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:53 (eleven years ago) link
i tan v well i could be a portuguese when i tan, so i guess what im asking is am i down
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
i def always thought of lag∞n as portuguese or at least galician, he has that sense of saudade about him
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
he is swarthy
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
"swarthy" is a word i sometimes think about white people and then think "is this racist?"
if iatee is getting a fulbright grant to study the pigmentation of southern europe maybe he can start with lag∞n and understand what it means to have that fiery latin soul
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
lol u guys
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
for some reason I associate 'swarthy' with being 'hairy' and barrle chested
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
I would say I'm swarthy then
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
its a blessing and a curse tbqh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
my dictionary says you can also be swart
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
anyway my scientific proof for spanish people being 'kinda not white but mostly white'a. I'm kinda not white but mostly whiteb. everyone thought I was spanish in europe
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
I'm swarter than you think I am
guys, a conversation about how delicious naan is would be much preferable to this one
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:01 (eleven years ago) link
so i googled iatees irl name trying to figure out his ethnicity and got
Anamezing meaning of [iatee]: Some say it's the name of an ancient Spanish robot.
there u have it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
I thought everyone secretly accepted that spanish people were a little bit not white, which made their racism even sadder
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:06 (eleven years ago) link
didnt someone more or less prove the old rumour about torquemada being a converso?
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
this segues onto a whole intra-european racismism wherein english people say 'oh those italians are all fucking racists, the serbs are basically animals'
think s zizek has covered this
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/52-lb-1-8-brown-paper-barrel-sack-500-bundle/52-lb-1-8-brown-paper-barrel-sack-500-bundle.jpg
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081225232030AAiAaaB
check out the BEST ANSWER
RIP europe
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
Spanish people are white right?Spanish people are white right?but why do people not consider them white in my life ive seen many spanish people from (SPAIN)and they look european white ive seen some with blonde hair blue eyes brunette all kinds so why do american not consider them white are they just too ignorant and whats latino got to do with this topic they are just mixed spanish and aztec.since all western american countries think if u speak spanish or your from south america they will think ur spanish.. but they are not spanish..only (SOME OF THEM ARE MIXED SPANISH WITH SOME AZTEC OR MAYAN ANCESTERY)why are people so ignorant i am from spain my self and i once went to america and a guy asked me where i am from and i said spain and he was like stop lieing spanish people have brown skin and they look like mexicans..i was angry how ignorant people can be and the lack of easy knowledge for them to understand.4 years ago Report Abuse
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
what's a four letter word for iranian bread?
― the late great, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
rial
― boxall, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
rong
― the late great, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
oh wait i get it
― the late great, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
four letter word for white bread
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 06:10 (eleven years ago) link
i am late to this party but my mom is an irish with dark hair/eyes, and who gets v v tan, and was commonly mistaken for being indian or pakistani when she was a young person in england
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
When I was much younger, I dated a girl who had some portuguese ancestry. I remember asking a buddy of mine if she counted as "latina". Shaking my damn head at myself, but I hadn't had too much contact with Mexican or Central American people at that point.
― how's life, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
i'm swarthy from the neck down
― caek, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:06 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks,i thought yours was best because you are Serbian(:
― the endless white snow has never felt more textile (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
Most of my interaction with the word "desi" is Dom P.'s twitter account
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
just occurred to me that swarthy and 'schwartz' are prob the same word
― goole, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
my dictionary's etymology sect says that
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
This is no way to live.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
turns out the answer was "roti" and now that gym dude thinks all Indians are liars
― rob, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol i hope so
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe that he buttonholed the wrong brownie
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
lol, roti is what the girl i told this story guessed right offAND SHE'S A JEW
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
hey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVmhkm1sWcI
― ♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
still waiting for someone to tell me iranian bread w/ four letters
― the late great, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
xp, That's astonishing. I genuinely can't understand how stuff like that can be made in 2012.
How can anyone think that's acceptable?
― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
ayiyiyi
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
the peter sellers of our time
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
what the hell
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://d1vrjmp0u5wivj.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Real-Men-Get-Their-Facts-Straight-256x300.jpg
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
what in the world
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
tbf that is more like mystifying then racist to me imo, I dunno
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
terrible accent, isnt he suposed to be an actor or something
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
ugh a putty nose and everything
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:28 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
naan
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
dosa
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
bred
xpost GOD DAMN IT
― crüt, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
oh hell yes, that reminds me of my favorite joke I ever made: "people call me inbred because I like to swim in bread."
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
backtracking here but that guy was an asshole for doing a crossword puzzle at the gym in the first place
― ♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
why is everyone being so hard on this old racist man wandering the gym doing crosswords, i think hes kinda cute
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
I agree
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
ok it's not merely iranian bread, its served all over the arab world, israel, lots of greek restaurants, etc. four letters.
― the late great, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN3dGyijzZM
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
you're being a real ~pain in the ass~ about this
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
milk
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
pita
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
corn
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
will you assholes shut the fuck up about the bread
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
door
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
OI MATE I'M GONNA MAKE A THREAD ABOUT BRAHN BREAD FOR ALL ME ILXOR CHUMS
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
loaf
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
two and a half breads
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Ha ha!
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
pizza
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
pizz'
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
rolling "Is This Racist?" bread
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
brot
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
weet
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a0-M0HIjsC4/SvQkUs9o1uI/AAAAAAAAB10/TdYFIE39F7Y/s320/subway-bread.jpg
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
"The word bread in Farsi is Naan."
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
urdu
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
urdu (bread)
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
lvsh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
we pronounce it more like "noon" though
― the late great, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
YHWH
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
n∞n
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
u∞u
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
bræd
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
br?d
― dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
l-r: ilx, wgw
http://www.nickmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/kid-with-bread-running-from-birds.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
just give us the bread
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
people need to leaven their expectation imo
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa192/commentcastle/glitters/christian/images/give-us-this-day-our-daily-bread.gif
― ♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
There's a four-letter word to describe this crusty bread.
― pplains, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
Puri
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.reformation.org/en-benedict-adores-host.jpg
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
woah the vatican weighed in on the corn vs. flour tortilla debate
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
this is an ancient XP already, but when I first saw that rapper baby thing on Snuffbox I was like "wtf this seems awfully dodgy!" but I think my reaction was just due to American/British cultural differences in that RAP and HIP-HOP carry signifiers here that they probably don't as much in the UK... I dunno, that show is fucking hilarious though.
― I will transmit this information to (Viceroy), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
the discussion of naan in the racism thread is making it really difficult for me to resist adopting an offensive trick daddy-inspired display name
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
^ "I'M THAT NIGGA, NAAAAAAAAN!" ?
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRc4ac2iHFw
― Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-2U2v2CsAM
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
The Kutcher advert has been pulled, thankfully.
― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that was really wtf
the india layover bit in MI4 was also p uncomfortable
― dayo, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link
"There is a perception that I always like a big team. I can remember talking to [former football manager] Alec Stock when I was at Bournemouth. He used to say when his teams walked out he liked to see men, not boys.
....
"Our game has developed. No one talks about Lee Hendrie being at the club, that big, black, 6ft 6in player beating everybody up [Hendrie, a slight, white, passing midfielder, was on a lengthy loan at Stoke].
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tony-pulis-the-man-who-moulded-the-potters-892758.html
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:00 (eleven years ago) link
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:01 (eleven years ago) link
hes trying to show that he has skilful players at his team rather than just the supposed 'big, black, 6ft 6in player beating everybody up'
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:06 (eleven years ago) link
sentence looks like he called Hendrie black. Do "footie" people talk weird or something
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
that is him trying to be funny
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
the only issue is whether is he is merely alluding to an idea current among football coaches that black players are thuggish goons and white players are clever & skilful
except that the example he gives only compounds those prejudices, and it isn't introduced in order to criticize them but merely to defend the reputation of his own team (who are mostly thugs, and mostly white)
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link
He does mention Salif Diao and Ricardo Fuller as examples of Stoke's skillful side later in that paragraph. Doesn't really mitigate the problem, though.
Is he really wondering why nobody talks about a player they borrowed for half a season five years ago?
― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
im sports tuomas
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
there isn't really much reference made to race by english football ppl, even when there is a periodic scandal with some fan or player racially abusing another, the football hierachy/commentariat are pretty much a single voice saying yeah well it's an isolated example, this country is vibrant and multicultural not like russia or spain etc etc
and even though there have been large numbers of black players for two decades, there are hardly any black managers, the executive/managerial culture is largely hidden from view but it's clearly full of insidious racial biases
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
They seem to keep mind of it when it's high-profile enough - there's talk now I understand as to whether the new manager can keep John Terry and Rio Ferdinand in the same team after Terry yelled racist abuse at Ferdinand's younger brother last year.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah well his trial will bring out the usual platitudes, but even if he is convicted the discourse will be about one remedial bawheid who will then get to have racist appended to his list of character defects
that is more or less how ~race~ discourse exists in england, racism is the preserve of racists, that is to say those who are or might be convicted of racially aggravated offences, rather than say the employers whose hiring decisions contribute to the ~50% unemployment rate among young black men
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-most-persuasive-case-for-eliminating-black-studies-just-read-the-dissertations/46346
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
fuck, who is this person?
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/author/nriley
― goole, Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
I am picking on people because they are black (and I am a racist).I am picking on people even though I don’t have a Ph.D.I am picking on people who are too young and inexperienced to defend themselves.I am picking on people even though I haven’t read their entire dissertations.Let me take the first two criticisms first. My qualifications to post on this blog consist of the fact that I have been a journalist writing about higher education…
Let me take the first two criticisms first. My qualifications to post on this blog consist of the fact that I have been a journalist writing about higher education…
Would have been funny if the post ended on the ellipsis.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
This seems a relic of first term Bush for sure.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
srsly *what* is this person?
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/black-studies-part-2-a-response-to-critics/46401
aaron bady comments on this one
― goole, Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
her defence notes that there aren't enough hours in the day to read the things she is demeaning and dismissing
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-end-of-black-caddies-and-the-medias-racial-headcounting/45326
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/priorities-at-the-naacp/38010
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
She actually had the nerve to write this:
"Before the NAACP leadership gets on its high horse about this, maybe they should go ask a mother trying to raise kids in an inner-city neighborhood how she feels about this, whether she minds if the guy trying to sell drugs to her 12-year-old is put away for a long time."
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
"Hey, NAACP. Maybe you ought to talk to some real BLACK PEOPLE and see what THEY think."
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
fucking morons and their "brainstorms"
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
so does freddie de boer! its the grad students blogger all stars in those comments! xxxxp
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
Drug-legalization proponents across the political spectrum often claim that there would be less violence if drugs were not part of a black market. But I can’t help but wonder whether people inclined to try to make money on the black market wouldn’t simply turn to other kinds of merchandise. Gun-running seems profitable, for instance.
brainstorm!
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
if drugs were legalized, all drug dealers would turn into gun runners, and there would be a guy selling baggies of automatic weapons on the corner of every street
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
#raceideas
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
Oh god I just handed her a half-dozen page hits.
From the original Times article she is commenting on:
“A guy can make six figures a year on a decent bag now, but the players want to have family members, people that are close to them and who they can relate to on their bags,” said Carl Jackson, one of the few remaining black caddies who will work Augusta this week. The black caddies who remain are on the Nationwide Tour, golf’s version of Class AAA, he added. “Or they don’t get a job at all,” he said. “They’re a dying breed.” Their demise can be traced to other things as well — the ubiquity of the motorized golf cart and the subsequent slashing of caddie training programs, as well as this: the job is not as attractive to blacks who have more career opportunities than previous generations. For the older black caddies, the situation is not without its bitter irony: when the prize money was modest, they were the standard; when the money became huge, they became disposable.
The black caddies who remain are on the Nationwide Tour, golf’s version of Class AAA, he added.
“Or they don’t get a job at all,” he said. “They’re a dying breed.”
Their demise can be traced to other things as well — the ubiquity of the motorized golf cart and the subsequent slashing of caddie training programs, as well as this: the job is not as attractive to blacks who have more career opportunities than previous generations. For the older black caddies, the situation is not without its bitter irony: when the prize money was modest, they were the standard; when the money became huge, they became disposable.
From her post:
In other words, discrimination is not at the root of every disparity. And the end of discrimination may even cause greater disparities.
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
what the FUCK
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
her posts have in common a remarkable ability to synthesize information and then completely ignore it
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
omg why have you told me about this horrible person, ilx?
― horseshoe, Friday, 4 May 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ OTM
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Here's a story one of my pubs did on Carl Jackson last year.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
If anyone wants to cleanse their palette a little.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, May 4, 2012 9:41 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think this is what is most striking about her writing. The counter-argument is actually imbedded in her own text, yet somehow she is completely unable to see how it undermines her own concluseions.
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/double_standard_TFPqqilUHif01I9BKkQSkN/1
ladies and gentlemen, the ny post:
Nets on Jay-Z track As long as the Nets are allowing Jay-Z to call their marketing shots — what a shock that he chose black and white as the new team colors to stress, as the Nets explained, their new “urban” home — why not have him apply the full Jay-Z treatment? Why the Brooklyn Nets when they can be the New York N------s? The cheerleaders could be the Brooklyn B----hes or Hoes. Team logo? A 9 mm with hollow-tip shell casings strewn beneath. Wanna be Jay-Z hip? Then go all the way!
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
If they really wanted to be "Jay-Z hip" they would have a brilliantly-colored uniform co-designed by Louis Vuitton and Takashi Murakami
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
you couldn't tell if they were "hollow-tip" from the shell casings. faker!
― goole, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
Phil Mushnick everyone
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
The Brooklyn B's would be a dope cheerleading squad; beyonce could leadalso, how quickly they forget: http://www.motheringhut.com/images/art_fever.jpg
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
he's not a business man he's a contributing greatly to our local economy while offending the delicate conservative sensibilities of a shill working for a corrupt media company man
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
can we change the title of this thread to "let's congratulate ourselves for not being THAT white person" since that's what this thread has turned into
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.columbiacountyobserver.com/master_files/images/2009_County_News_images/09_0319_Fl_Crown.jpg
"And in other news, we've found more examples of racism on the Internet. You all want to hear about it?"
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
this is the 4th largest newspaper in the country!
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure the Observer is far down on the list.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
suggesting that he might as well name the cheerleaders "Brooklyn Bitches" because that's HOW HE DOi think it's a lil bit racistit's primarily a lil bit stupid
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
NY Post is the worst newspaper in the world
― Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
I thought that distinction fell to Every British Paper Except the Guardian
― raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, May 4, 2012 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i like how the thread title implies a naivety to posting the most racist things we can find - is this... racist? *hold up klan hood*
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, kinda shitty. On the other hand, if net attention gets someone like that "The Talk" guy fired, I'm all for that.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I was not actually wondering whether or not that was racist maybe I should have searched for a ny post thread
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
within a day of starting up, this thead had become a place for both genuine "is this racist?" questioning and unambiguous examples of racist bullshit. there's nothing wrong with this, so far as i can see, and certainly no reason to get nasty about it.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
is this racist^
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno, ask deej
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
dan wasn't being nasty
― horseshoe, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
there's something at least a little sharp about "let's congratulate ourselves for not being THAT white person".
though, yeah, "nasty" was overstated. <3 dan, apologies for getting snippy in return.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
Regurgitating this ignorance and hate on to a thread that was supposed to be more about videos made by the Black Keys isn't going to change anyone or get anyone fired or raise awareness of how the New York Post is an awful, vile publication.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
well 'I guess I posted it in the wrong thread' I had no idea this one was secretly a signaling game about how not racist you were
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
lol "secretly"
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/b2FNZ.gif
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
so we should avoid discussing obvious examples of racism because that tends to make us look like we're trying too hard to seem other than racist
good to know
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
you should avoid using the space to talk about ambiguous racial issues to talk about blatant, obvious racism as if the two were equal or as if you were confused about blatant, obvious racism, you big whining baby
New Question <-- this exists for a reason
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, we could actually go for the question that everyone seems to want to avoid or not really think about, which is "is it racist to flood the thread that's supposed to be a conversation about the ambiguity of racism with example after example after example of obvious, blatant racism" if you really want to take the "no topic should be forbidden!" martyr stance here
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
I was secretly trying perform racism by flooding this thread but also signal non-racism by posting a news story about racism
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
it was going to be...my greatest feat
seems an interesting question, honestly. i'm not inclined to think of it as racist, precisely, at least wr2 how the thread has actually progressed, but i'd wanna have that discussion before passing judgement.
since this thread has gone back and forth over the past few months between conversation about things that might be racist and things that obviously are, both discussed constructively without much too much clusterfuck trouble (sorry dayo), i don't think it's "whining" to defend that use.
the weirdly aggro slam on white people who don't want to be "THAT white person" strikes me as way whinier than anything i've said, but maybe i'm missing something. wouldn't be the first time...
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
Speaking in very general terms, my reaction to recent posts on this thread have been "just what is being asked here? do they wonder if this [really obviously racist thing] is offensive? or are they moving into the 'this is racist' category, in which case what kind of discussion are they trying to provoke?"
And as I've stated earlier, some of these posts do appear to fall somewhere between smug and outright race fetish. I'm not going to look into the hearts and minds of the poster on the other side of the computer, but it is very hard for me to produce another reason for why we have this parade of racist bullshit trotted out here every other day.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
Guys...I was trying to come up with a way to tell you all this...but
I am....THAT white person.
no offense to all the other white ppl ITT you guys do fine work but i think my record speaks for itself
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
I had no idea this one life was secretly a signaling game about how not racist you were
hey iatee, robin hanson'd that for u. no need to thank me.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
just personally, i've found this thread to be quite useful, not least cuz i've said some stupid fucking shit here and been called on it. also because the last few years have been kind of eye-opening to me in terms of the amount of blatant, obvious racism that's crawled out from under a rock and into mainstream american politics. of course, my surprise is reflective of nothing but a privileged white guy's ignorance, but i figure that a late education is better than none at all.
i count on ILX for a lot of things, mostly cuz i don't spend a lot of time trawling around the internet. i would probably never have noticed many of the things discussed itt if they hadn't been posted here. so it's a useful resource for me. if there needs to be a separate thread for "obviously racist bullshit", then fine, so far this one seems to have comfortably accommodated both. i guess i have a lot of faith in the intentions and intelligence of ILXors. with a couple clear exceptions, i don't see much trolling, smugness or race fetishism itt. maybe i need a perspective adjustment, i dunno...
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
maybe we don't need a separate thread for obviously racist bullshit for the same reason we don't have a white history monthmakes u think
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
because all the threads are for obviously racist bullshit?
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
what's the subtext here? that ppl posting racist things are doing it bc they're either titillated by the racist thing they posted, or titillated by the outrage they can work up over the racist thing they posted? to the first - ppl will always be interested in terrible taboo things and hopefully titillation and disapproval can exist simultaneously. to the second - is there real harm in ppl giving themselves props for not being as racist as the NY Post? on one hand, yes, it's superficial satisfaction at a time when more important structural issues are being ignored. at the same time, it is good to remember that racism in america is mainstream and outrage over obviously racist things can hopefully boil over into not obviously racist things. like maybe it's not a terrible idea to keep racist sensors tuned and conscious.
nb i'm sick and feeling like crap so if this makes no sense i apologize
― Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, May 4, 2012 12:42 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
truth bomb
― some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
I am really not ready to deal w/ the complex moral responsibility of having posted a news story to the wrong thread
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
jfc the amount of bad faith on this site
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Friday, May 4, 2012 11:51 AM (1 minute ago)
smug bomb, but don't sweat it, lots of people confuse the two
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
next time, iatee, try posing your question on this thread.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
i agree w/ iatee that there seems to be a quickness to think the worst of ppl posting to ilx. it's better, tho, than the ilx culture when i first got to ilx and posters said and did really reprehensible things to one another.
― Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
IDK I think DJP is right, it's a little o_O to have a rolling museum of random internet racism thread
*wins Not-That-White-Guy game*
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
okay, how about this for "is it racist"
what if you're trying to point someone out of a crowd. can you say "he's that black guy" or "he's the asian guy over there". pointing out a guy by race feels wrong but it also feels like a dumb white guilt thing to intentionally avoid pointing out someone's race when you know it's the best way to explain who you're talking about
― first mca now bear wtf at this day already (frogbs), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
michaeljacksoneatingpopcorn.gif
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
"Which one is Colin Powell?"
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, May 4, 2012 1:59 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bullshit, I invoke sumai.
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
it's better, tho, than the ilx culture when i first got to ilx and posters said and did really reprehensible things to one another.
― Mordy, Friday, May 4, 2012 2:58 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
I am not gonna lie, watching people bend over backwards to avoid describing someone by their race in wholly innocuous conversations is one of the funniest things to me
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
i have been called "the guy with the guyabera" in a crowd of black dudes which prompted another guy in the crowd to say "you mean white boy?"i'll take either
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, May 4, 2012 2:54 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't think you get that what DJP is talking about is in part the inherent smugness of constantly pointing out people who are less enlightened than you on the subject of race
― some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
yes, that's the beautiful irony of it
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
"i am more enlightened than people who feel the need to point out how much more enlightened they are. checkmate!"
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
in seriousness, I would probably get kind of grossed out after a while if the "is this anti-semitism" thread was always on the new answers page with obvious anti-semitism links.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
contendo it's not about continuing the cycle of superiority, it's about acknowledging how this thread being kept on New Answers with new awful links every day for a fucking year straight is not making us better or more enlightened or even more entertained people
― some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
ny post dude responded to the backlash
Such obvious, wishful and ignorant mischaracterizations of what I write are common. I don't call black men the N-word; I don't regard young women as bitches and whores; I don't glorify the use of assault weapons and drugs. Jay-Z, on the other hand.....Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?
Jay-Z profits from the worst and most sustaining self-enslaving stereotypes of black-American culture and I'M the racist? Some truths, I guess, are just hard to read, let alone think about.
― frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?Is he the only NBA owner allowed to call black men N---ers?
actually it's more like "I'm tired of watching people on this board use actual racist incidents that they likely will never be subjected to as playing pieces in an escalating game of moral one-upsmanship against people who aren't even playing with them, particularly when a twist of fate is all that separated me from the people who are the actual targets of this bullshit and I've experienced shit like this in the past"
like, try thinking for a second that there's at least one black person around here that you guys haven't chased off yet before you post this shit
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
chased off? whoa!
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
as to frogbs question: yeah, it's weird. i remember when i was a kid, early teens somewhere, reading constantly, getting annoyed by the fact that non-white people in the novels i read (most of them written by white americans) were always described in terms of their race, while white characters were just, well, people. the implied normalcy of whiteness started to really bug me once i'd noticed it.
but what do you do in response? describing everyone in terms of their race is just as weird as never using race as a descriptor. at best you calibrate it to the situation and treat everyone equally. but it's hard in a race-conscious culture not to feel weird or get it wrong sometimes no matter how good your intentions might be, especially if you're inexperienced and/or prone to self-doubt.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
don't ny post dude is long for that paper
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean i don't mean to hijack your point to make a somewhat tangential point or misrepresent what you were saying, there's definitely that too (xpost)
― some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
who do you imagine you're speaking for, or to?
let's just lock this thread and be done w/it
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Is the Post guy revealing the word one letter at a time, Wheel of Fortune style?
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
that "escalating game of moral one-upsmanship" is in your head. you may imagine that it's what motivates others, but ultimately you have no way of knowing. i see the posting of racist shit in this thread as reportorial, and yes, not without a moral component, but there's nothing wrong with that, imo.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
deadspin wants everyone to know that this is in fact racisthttp://deadspin.com/5907754/oh-look-phil-mushnick-wrote-something-racist
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Don't lock the thread just because people can't figure out what there's a question mark in the original question and that repeating racism ad hoc to get "get a load of this!" reaction is nagl.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
― del griffith, Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
no, your point is valid and part of where I'm coming from; the reason it's being expressed is because of my self-quote expressing a breaking point in tolerance for this shit
okay lol, thank you socialist daughter from Native Son for explaining to me how I, as a black person, should respond to a thread that started out as a conversation about ambiguity in racism and quickly turned into "Hey, this is racist! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this! And so is this!" etc etc etc
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
"this is how I feel about this""oh no, you're confused; THIS is how you should feel about this""thank you! finally a white person explains to me how I should engage with racism *sets down heavy load*"
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean it'd be one thing if we were talking about one or two things worthy of discussion every couple weeks, but this thread has just become a daily fountain of garbage. i picture people browing comments sections and excitedly pulling up the bookmark to this thread to cut-and-paste.
― some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
*jumps out of thread**deploys parachute*
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
I predict that this is going to end well
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
*browsing
contenderizer perhaps consider taking a break from this thread
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, at least the NRO thread has the context of "this is the line of thought in a prominent segment of our political sphere"; this is just "oh hey, here's something else horrible and demeaning to non-white people, let's post it and cluck our tongues"
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
this is the 4th largest newspaper in the country and 'lots of people on the internet talking about it' increases the chance of him losing his job
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not calling myself a hero,
elvis was a hero to most
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
talking about it' increases the chance of him losing his job
Are you guys still talking about the Post? It might help him keep his job from what I've seen about in that soi-disant newspaper.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
LOfuckingL if anyone believes that "talking" about someone racist (who works for Rupert Murdoch) in this ILX thread is going to have one goddam thing to do with whether or not he keeps his job.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
my comment ruled
― del griffith, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
4th largest newspaper --- does that mean I should start spitting up screen captures from the No. 1 cable news network every time they report something racisty?
Maybe I should, but it would definitely belong in a completely different thread.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
okay, i give. i accept that the accumulation of racist bullshit - and the accompanying gasps of polite horror - are troubling. if i've behaved offensively, i apologize. it's just hard to know how to parse this shit sometimes.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
okay lol, thank you socialist daughter from Native Son for explaining to me how I, as a black person, should respond to a thread that started out as a conversation about ambiguity in racism and quickly turned into "Hey, this is racist! And so is this! And so is this!
i honestly didn't intend to tell you how you should or shouldn't feel. just how i feel, that i don't view other people's motives in the same way that you do. but i don't think i've been thinking or expressing myself terribly well here, so i sincerely apologize for the approach i've taken in this discussion.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
yes I've said like 3 times 'sorry wrong thread' I don't think this story is 'not worth talking about' but at this point I definitely don't think this story is worth talking about wtg ilx xp
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.sevilla5.com/activities/seasonal/capirotes-2.jpg
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yes. All Spaniards are racist.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
Their starches are also much cleaner and long-lasting.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
this was the thread I was most interested in when i asked about the longest threads on ilx yesterday. it is constantly at the top of sna and i'm always clicking on it just because it's always RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF MY FACE and about half the time I'll bookmark it purely out of bookmarking habit and then FUCK there it is I'm reading it again (and participating in it).
one of the things I liked the least about ethan is how he'd bring the subject of racism into so many threads all the time (in my perception at the time at least). Like that was my chief beef with the dude and nowadays it's like ilx's #1 passtime.
― frogsclovetofu (beachville), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
The thing I find amusing (perhaps not the exact adjective) about the Klan uniforms was that these troglodyte racists screaming about American liberties were, like many of their fellow 19th century Americans, getting together for the zany ceremonies of the Brotherhood of Odd Knights or whatever and aping European confraternities like the Nazarenos, burning crosses (I'm sure Jesus digs that) and calling each other 'knight' and 'wizard' all in the name of Washington and Jefferson and Lee and Jesus. I have this feeling they weren't all that bright.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
All that said, Michael, I still wish this guy was a klansman and not a Semana Santa participant.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
Site is blocked. :(
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
the spirit of this thread HAS been corrupted but i do think it's better to have a clearinghouse for all things that people want to go "hey, this is really racist!" about instead of having separate threads
― frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
should i start sharing racist jokes then? you all can confirm for me that they're racist.
― pplains, Friday, 4 May 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
xp probably true. but i definitely agree with the sentiment that people should stop posting obviously racist stuff. i probably said this like 100 posts ago and forgot about it.
― Nhex, Friday, 4 May 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
you all
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 4 May 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
have we figured out racism yet
― crüt, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
Sure! It's just this simple:
http://fusionanomaly.net/mcescherdayandnight.jpg
― Aimless, Saturday, 5 May 2012 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
smh http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-most-persuasive-case-for-eliminating-black-studies-just-read-the-dissertations/46346
― superpussy, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/sisko-facepalm.jpg
― pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:57 (eleven years ago) link
Black Studies, Part 2: A Response to Critics http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/black-studies-part-2-a-response-to-critics/46401stopped reading after "I was never a big fan of the feminist mantra that the “personal is political.”"
― superpussy, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/obamafacepalm.jpg
― pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:59 (eleven years ago) link
superpussy, the Chronicle of Higher Ed stuff was brought up in this thread two days ago.
I encourage you to read the last 36 hours or so of this thread starting here - rolling "Is This Racist?" thread
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 5 May 2012 05:29 (eleven years ago) link
whoops, sorry.
― superpussy, Saturday, 5 May 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
what pplains is trying to say is that we'll take the soup.
― Three Word Username, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:24 (eleven years ago) link
not if my posting today is any indication
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:28 (eleven years ago) link
Inspired by traditional Indian madras, our designers recast this classic pattern in summer-worthy hues so it's brighter—and better—than ever
read this as "our designers are racist", spending too much time on ilx
― the late great, Saturday, 5 May 2012 07:48 (eleven years ago) link
― frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, May 4, 2012 5:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
yeah but i think we are or should be taking a good hard look at the impulse to post "hey, this is really racist!" things all the time even if it was on an 'appropriate' thread. like sure, when someone really famous says something really hateful, there's gonna be an ilx thread about it, obviously. but after a while the mountain of minutiae kind of becomes "hey another guy on the internet said the n-word, check this out guys" and i think DJP has a good point about why that's a pretty terrible habit to form.
― some dude, Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:11 (eleven years ago) link
DJP has such a booming post that i'm getting aftershocks
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
so my roommate moved in w/ a copy of "just busted news" that he picked up in tennessee
https://www.facebook.com/JustBusted
let me know if anyone wants photos
― the late great, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
feel like its an example of being racist against the human race
― the late great, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
We've got The Slammer, a dollar newspaper that's published weekly and sold at the finest gas stations across metropolitan Little Rock. An acquaintance of mine runs a tattoo parlor and offers a $50 coupon for anyone who's featured in that week's issue.
― pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
so much wsos in these newsweeklies
― booblights and the eternal frustration (how's life), Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
There's an 800-page thread on another messageboard I frequent consisting of mugshots taken from the local county jail. Definitely a casual indictment of the human race, from drunk frat boys to drunk sorority girls (who aren't aware of Facebook privacy settings) to dudes who lift TVs who happen to be black to parole violators who happen to have swastikas tattooed in their ears.
Makes me slightly queasy, but I have to say it makes me laugh a lot more. Bet you all didn't know I was frogbs in real life.
― pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
An acquaintance of mine runs a tattoo parlor and offers a $50 coupon for anyone who's featured in that week's issue.
lol that guy rules
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
dudes who lift TVs who happen to be black
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 May 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
your tv is a who?
― Aimless, Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
DJP's "I read that modifier intentionally wrong" punchlines aren't for everyone
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
TVs aren't who.
― pplains, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
tv never her
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
"Is This Racist?" Chronicle of Higher Ed blog bullshit update!
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/a-note-to-readers/46608
hack overboard!
― goole, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnhlexperts/ArrchVZCIAIJOjX.jpg
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna vs. The Black Guy vs. The Yellow Kid
― listicular fortitude (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:23 (eleven years ago) link
tv never her --l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
Ty
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Also whiney otm re djp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:50 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Kind of vindicates whoever said (iatee?) that posting this stuff can help serve as a suggest-ban engine.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
national review and nypost are all crying martyr as we speak
― goole, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
of course they are. nypost especially are the ultimate troll.
http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Troll-Hunter-feature-massive-trolls-in-Norway.jpeg
^^^nypost
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
is that from trollhunter?
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
oh man that just made me think about abiyoyo, which I haven't thought about since approx 4th grade
― dayo, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
totally troll hunter
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
The headline for the nypost is an attempt at being more inflamatory than whatsherface's blog entry on brainstorm.com.whatever. But that's the whole idea. They're like a two-year-old banging pots together.
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
So I have actually been meaning to ask this on ILX for a while, and I think it makes a genuinely good discussion topic, not just "ew look at these racists" -- Is 30 Rock racist? Has their been discussion of this in 30 Rock threads?
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
idk. Donald Glover called Tina Fey "the most not-racist person ever" on WTF.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
Liz Lemon as a character is pretty racist, yes
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
30 Rock has probably amassed the smartest collection of racial humor in the past 10 years besides like The Chappelle's Show, they've pretty much zinged everyone including themselves/their network already on any angle you could come at them with
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
A few things that spring to mind:
1) Running jokes about Twofer's Harvard ed and implied AA (both, iirc, in Harvard acceptance AND his job. "It's a joke" seems to mask the fact that the implication is, in fact, that there would be no black writers on the staff but for AA (although I guess you could argue that this is a critique of the system and not of black people?). It's not as though he's presented as less intelligent than the rest of the staff, but I also get a faint whiff of "uppity" in his characterization maybe?
2) Tracy Morgan -- I mean there's just a pretty fine line to walk with a character like this and I think maybe it crosses into minstrelsy sometimes, especially in the context of no other black performers on TGS
3) Dotcom -- I'm on the fence about this. The show definitely plays the "turns out to be smart" for humor, but the humor may stem from him being the big tough entourage bouncer type who turns out to be articulate and sensitive moreso than just his being black I guess?
I also feel like I catch other somewhat racially off jokes on the show a lot but nothing springs to mind atm.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno where to even begin with that kind of selective memory and spectacular point-missing and humorlessness
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
i believe Hurting is sincere but honestly questioning if 30 Rock is racist is kinda quintessentially what is fucked up about ilx in 2012
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
i think twofer is based on an actual white guy writer.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
mordy otm
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Hurting 2 otm. Tho yeah you could say Tracy is a meta example of the role of black comedians in modern American media.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
"you could say"? the character has been used exactly that way, explicity and implicity, a hundred times over the course of the show.
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2VG53RIJ50
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
xpost, Of course he is. But sometimes I think the laughs push past the boundaries of "meta" and into just laugh at the crazy dumb black guy territory.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
Sort of in the same way that "I'm Rick James bitch!" became the hallmark of the Chappelle show for a lot of the white audience (not that I think this is Chappelle's fault).
but what does that make Tracy Morgan? complicit tool of The Man making jokes about his race, or too dumb to even get that the joke is on him?
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
Um, why would it have to be either? I'm not alleging that 30 Rock is some kind of evil plot to make black people look bad, I'm just saying that underneath all the "racial commentary" I sometimes get a sense of actual subtly racist attitudes.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
well the show is exec produced by Lorne Michaels, who doesn't have an especially great track record with black comedy/comedians on SNL, so it's not like the show is impervious to criticism. i just think of most of 30 Rock's race humor as more suggesting a dialogue or an awareness of those issues than simply playing them for laughs or being unaware of them entirely.
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
can you give a specific examples? awful lot of generalities here
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
the recent live episode, which featured a whole insane flashback to '50s TV with Jon Hamm in blackface, explained by Kenneth: "NBC felt it would be too alarming to the audience to have more than one black man appear on the show at a time, a policy they continue to use today!"
granted, four black male cast members were in this segment so it can be seen as a bit of patting-themselves-on-the-back move, but it was still a pretty brutally hilarious moment imo
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
Hurting 2 otm. Tho yeah you could say Tracy is a meta example of the role of black comedians in modern American media.― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, May 14, 2012 12:05 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"you could say"? the character has been used exactly that way, explicity and implicity, a hundred times over the course of the show.― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, May 14, 2012 12:07 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, May 14, 2012 12:05 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, May 14, 2012 12:07 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
using racist humor ostensibly to critique racism isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card though, right? family guy couches its blatant racism & misogyny in mockery of the idiocy of its characters, american culture and the human race in general. nevertheless, it's use of satire often comes off more as a cheap excuse than a legitimate justification. it often seems to use the protective cover afforded by "satirical intent" to get away with "lol dumb lazy mexicans" jokes.
not saying that 30 rock doing anything similar, but it seems like a fair question to ask. personally, i see tracy's buffoonishness as more absurd than mocking, and the ways they've addressed race wr2 twofer's character are so many-edged as resist any easy reduction to "racism".
but this is The Thread In Which I Am Often Wrong, so...
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think most of the jokes around the Tracey Jordan character have to do with the fact that he is a crazy megalomaniac than with being black.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno i just feel like i'm the only person in this convo who has seen more than a handful of episodes of the show and can recall many scenes in detail, pardon me if that makes me act a little overly confident in my side of the argument
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
xpost well ok at least AP is here now
missing a "more" in that sentence
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
middle easterners seem to figure on 30 rock mostly as "sheiks" from whose sexual slavery jenna has escaped
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
^ trolling
they did calibrate the hamm blackface to be suggestive rather than over-the-top like they did with the jenna blackface episode, which puts forth the idea that there is a tasteful amount of blackface, which I don't agree with. this really ties into a larger complaint about 30 rock that they've settled into a comfort zone.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw, i had questions about the episode in which it was at least implied that twofer was too "white" to get away with using the n-word. the idea that goofy "whiteness" might be the product of education and class seemed more a straight-up punchline in that episode than something that was being critiqued.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
which puts forth the idea that there is a tasteful amount of blackface
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
xp to my last: not that it wasn't funny. part of the joke was that twofer was trapped and damned by the unfair expectations and prejudices around him.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean that episode to me is a classic example of the show demonstrating an awareness of the dialogue surrounding that kind of plot rather than just tossing it out there for the crudest possible joke
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
if anything it suggested that the writing staff of 30 Rock had already had the kind of conversations back then that most of ilx is still going "what? really? i had no idea" at.
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Um, I've watched every episode through ep. 4 of season 5?
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. Some times they cross that line but not often. I think it was alot more iffy in this case during the first episode of the show.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
they did calibrate the hamm blackface to be suggestive rather than over-the-top like they did with the jenna blackface episode, which puts forth the idea that there is a tasteful amount of blackface, which I don't agree with.
good lord. "calibrate?"
maybe because it was a live show and hamm played multiple roles? wtf
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
i just got that feeling because your initial thread revival was full of so many vague impressions of the characters in general with not much recollection of specific jokes/scenes. it seemed like an odd way to open the convo. (xpost)
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
actually, the one thing i really question abt 30 rock is the nasty streak of self-loathing that seems expressed in its treatment of the writers (especially frank and lutz). something odd about that. their ghastly, pathetic desperation is never particularly funny.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
also it's hilarious that we're talking about prolly the only network show with four black series regulars and the fact that only one of them is a star on the show-within-a-show is supposed to be a biting critique
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
re: first episode, playing in traffic in your underwear screaming 'i am a jedi' speaks more to tracy morgan's experience specifically than saying something about the black condition in america. (I dunno if tracy really did this, but he's a huge star wars fan)
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
congrats, "Lutz is never funny" is officially the most rong thing anyone's said in this convo
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
their ghastly, pathetic desperation is never particularly funny.
RONG
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
Well I'm pretty sure that in the Liz/Tracey "equality" episode (which, incidentally I thought was a pretty lame subplot -- haha liz can't change the water cooler by herself what an insight), it's spelled out that Twofer has his job solely because of some diversity position on the staff. I didn't really see why the show would go there.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
Tracy
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
that liz tracey equality episode was pretty stupid i thought. seems a little easier to talk about specific moments & subplots than the show as a whole -- i think its done stuff thats really cutting and smart and stuff thats, if not racist, not very well thought out
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i don't know why a show would have a plot point about Affirmative Action, it must mean it's a racist show, to talk about such a thing
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
i always try to bring my A game
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
i could see twofer being outed as an AA recipient being a problem if twofer was invented as some kind of black role model like urkel was, but this isn't the case.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
30 Rock is probably the best-written thing on network television and I love it. Not saying it's not good on the whole.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
i just think of 30 Rock on race as one of its strengths, not one of its weaknesses, even if there are a few jokes that have been sketchy or not worth the payoff
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No dude don't be obtuse. I mean it seems a little off to have one black person on the show who isn't either the comedian or his entourage, one black person with a "professional" job and then have it "revealed" that he got where he is because of affirmative action.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3xj3lUQEH1r89jlvo2_500.png
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, i dunno, i dont think that whole episode was *racist* but i am kind of baffled as to why it had that plot point. like what point was it trying to make? seemed like pretty well-worn (& stupid) territory.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
twofer was always an insufferable snob, and the show frequently made humor from subjecting him to costanza-esque abuses, like getting grammar-pwned by tracy in the first episode, finding his ancestor fought for the confederates, etc... in fact, if they did turn him into the respectable black straight man of the type that tim meadows would usually play on SNL, that would be way way worse in terms of comedic condescension.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
^^ gets it
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
also, comedy writer isn't exactly white collar aspirational professional position, like say head of fringe division. if agent broyles was revealed to be an AA beneficiary, THEN you'd have something.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
was the AA episode different from the liz/tracy 'equality' ep?
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
might have been
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Tracy: Affirmative action was designed to keep women and minorities in competition with each other to distract us while white dudes inject AIDS into our chicken nuggets. That's a metaphor.
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
at least this thread is actually being used to discuss something that's not 100% clearly racist for once, i guess
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
that's from the pilot btw
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
I think the AA thing is more a LOL @ Conservatives than anything, given the context of the show. But I'd need to rewatch that particular ep to make a more informed opinion.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
heh, ive always thought that 30 rocks default political position was a kind of moderately conservative LOL @ liz's sad bourgeois liberalism. not gonna try to defend that necc but 30 rock always struck me as a conservative show -- not in a bad way necc.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Monday, May 14, 2012 2:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^This. I think any comedy writing around race is going to have some failiures, and where these jokes fail, they're gonna stray into that territory where they can be perceived as racist. And I think it's fair game to call out those failiures. I think it makes sense to draw attention to specific instances, because, generally speaking, I would not accuse 30 Rock of being a racist show.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
but 30 rock always struck me as a conservative show -- not in a bad way necc.
― max, Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, I feel exactly the same way.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
... really?
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
not arguing with you, i just don't get a conservative feel from it at all.
p nunez otm. it's a sensibility that shares something in common with what i think of as "british humor": the idea that it's especially hilarious to see characters who believe that they are noble (but who are actually quite petty) struggle to retain their dignity in the face of constant humiliation.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, May 14, 2012 4:21 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, if only because liz's liberalism is the butt of so many jokes.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
LOL @ liz's sad bourgeois liberalism
I pick up on the conservative feel too, but I think the show is largely apolitical in that most of the political jokes make fun of the liberal and conservative characters' self-conceptions, and not the ideologies themselves.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
i think the show does a good job of letting Jack get in some jabs against Liz and making her a a very flawed character and not Tina Fey's perfect Mary Sue alter ego, but also that it's pretty clear which one of them is a huge satirical punching bag for an entire political ideology
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
nick offerman is more seductive conservative hero than alec baldwin
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, conservative in a father-knows-best (with Alec Baldwin as father) kind of way. Conservative sort of the way Jane Austen is conservative (ultimately respectful and appreciative of the order of things) etc.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
me either. i think the show has a sort of fond sympathy for what it see as the futility and hypocrisy of liberalism, but also an angry streak directed against the arrogance, dishonesty and abuses of conservative wealth & power (jack's constant self-zings). overall, i see it as politically disengaged - a portrait of how things are, rather than an argument that they should be any different.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
i've always found the '30 Rock is secretly conservative meme' to be a little sub-Zizek sophistry
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
at least as formulated in 2009 by slate. maybe the argument has picked up a little sophistication since then:http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2009/05/i_want_to_gop_to_there.html
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
totally
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
i dont think its "secret"! and i dont think its "conservative" like mitt romney is conservative. i think liz is as much a punching bag as jack is, and i think it hits harder b/c her politics and character are much less cartoonish [and also because presumably the audience hews closer to liz than to jack].
i mean the show does kind of show a continued disregard for what might be uncharitably described as "identity politics" -- i think this is something that hurting is getting at when he wonders if its racist -- & to me thats a conservative position, even if its not about flat taxes or anything
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
it seems to me like the show's creative team just knows that being as stridently left as Alec Baldwin is as a public figure would be a total comedy killer and so they try to get laughs out of both sides of an issue whenever possible
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
liz is a punching bag but not even half as much in a politically pointed way as with jack
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, there are more jokes about him loving Reagan there are about her loving anything besides sandwiches or Star Wars
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
THAN there are
right but jokes about him "loving Reagan" are only "political" on the surface -- theyre not critiques of an ideology or political stance or platform
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
sure no but i'm just saying his character is defined by his political beliefs far more than hers
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
can't recall Liz espousing a political position of any kind tbh.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
some dude OTM
Jack's rightwing politics are part and parcel of his persona as a powerful white man. Liz's politics are nonexistent.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
and a LOT of his throwaway lines are more cutting jokes at the expense of the GOP than a whole season's worth of SNL fox news sketches. (xpost)
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
i mean its possible that i am such a wussy bourgeois liberal that i consider "getting jokes out of both sides of an issue" a kind of inherently conservative gesture. like i said it doesnt *bother* me. i still think its the funniest show on tv!
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i guess my sense is that making fun of the crazies in the GOP barely counts as "political humor" at this point. also youre crazy if you think liz's politics are "nonexistent" -- shes explicitly and clearly a liberal feminist. i mean this comes up super frequently, its part of the jack-liz relationship.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
haha are you coming out as a closet West Wing fan (xpost)
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
that slate piece is pretty good, really, especially in how it characterizes the show's relationship to feminism and gender (not to liberal politics in general).
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
like i guess when i watch the show jokes at jack's expense are more often than not these kind of cartoonish "crazy tea partiers!" jokes that dont really touch on the ideology at the heart of the modern GOP. whereas the jokes at liz's expense are actual critiques of her "liberal values" -- i.e. the 'equality' episode
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
i think a lot of Donaghy lines are slightly more specific than "lol greed is good amirite" but fair enough
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
xp - that in turn suggests that the show takes liberalism seriously and only sees conservatism as a crazy sort of joke
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
when Jack 'wins' an argument with Liz it's because the company that made her great jeans is secretly owned by Haliburton and the joke's on her, not that Haliburton is actually awesome and she shouldn't be chagrinned by that
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i mean i dont think that 30 rock gives jack, or conservatism, a pass
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
how about the ep a few years ago with carrie fisher? seems impt to this discussion.
donaghy is slightly cartoonish but his, idk, para-political identity as a competent, hard-driving self-made executive is not really undercut ever, and liz's (and others) characters objectives bend around that
xps
― goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, May 14, 2012 4:42 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right but this is one of the oldest conservative zingers in the book! like that occupy wall street photo with all the arrows pointing out that they bought their clothes at the gap or whatever.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
“We have been creating and solving this country’s problems for 200 years. Where’s our history month?”
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
i thought that joke where the baby kept saying 'mommy' and jack kept thinking she was saying 'money' was pretty lol
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
I think that Slate piece is sort of right but maybe runs a little too far with the argument.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
its also kinda whiny. the slate piece.
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
one of the show's running jokes is the way kenneth's aw-shucks, god-fearin' nice guy shtick occasionally lets slip a whiff of fascist intolerance. and jack is constantly making throwaway jokes about ostensibly trivial environmental and human consequences. american conservatism on 30 rock is a stupid, monstrous lie, a con that rich people use to get their way and manipulate rubes. liberalism, otoh, is a complex philosophy that decent, intelligent people struggle with in actually trying to negotiate life.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
Liz's politics seem more like a satire of lazy kneejerk liberalism or liberals with latent prejudiced and/or conservative beliefs than an actual "no really check out this dumb lib" kinda thing imo.
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
coincidentally the new inquiry had an essay a couple days ago about 30 rock/tina fey and women/feminism
http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/the-unfuckables/
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
like the famous "will say i'm voting for obama and then vote for mccain" line is liz in a nutshell
― kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
i'm probably the worst person to say this but sometimes you can outthink yourself on something like this and i think that's what the 30 rock conservative argument is doing
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
Liz's "feminism" is basically limited to herself and how she thinks she deserves a job/respect/authority. I can't recall a single instance of her addressing an actual liberal cause like, say, being pro-choice or against the Iraq invasion or anti-global warming or whatever. Her worldview is completely myopic, it's a politics of narcissism.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
idk about that article? i mean
She is currently in a Garnier Nutrisse shampoo commercial in which she tosses her glossy mane without a trace of irony.
the irony is that she's wearing a wig imho
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
to be clear im not endorsing the TNI article, presented w/out comment
― max, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Not on topic, but Laugh-in makes a return in the most recent live episode.
I agree--and this is where some of the sense of the shows conservativism comes from--but I suspect this is mostly a result of Tina Fey being more comfortable satyrizing herself.
sometimes you can outthink yourself on something like this and i think that's what the 30 rock conservative argument is doing
Nah, for me it's more of a vibe I get from the show, and my analysis has more to do with why I feel this way; is there something there, or is it just over-sensitivity on my part.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, May 14, 2012 4:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I think this is right. Her liberalism is very, very thin to begin with. Jack's politics are of course also a politics of narcissism and selfishness, it just so happens that Reagan conservatism openly embraces that kind of selfishness, so there's nothing inconsistent about him.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
To me, Alec Baldwin's character is more or less the kind of guy that would hang out with Stephen Colbert's character. Just a bit more inside the bubble for narrative reasons.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
30 Rock is one gourmet food montage short of a Nora Ephron movie
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
someone who has neither seen 30 Rock nor a Nora Ephron movie ^
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah wait what
it might be a lil sexist and it might be a lil racist and it might be a lil conservative, but it is NOT ANYTHING LIKE a Nora Eprhon movie yeesh
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface calibrate the hamm blackface
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
Liz's "feminism" is basically limited to herself and how she thinks she deserves a job/respect/authority. I can't recall a single instance of her addressing an actual liberal cause like, say, being pro-choice or against the Iraq invasion or anti-global warming or whatever. Her worldview is completely myopic, it's a politics of narcissism.Correct. She always struck me as one of those irritating "I'm not like those OTHER girls" types, only without any awareness of this at all.
― gyac, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
even-keeled, virtuous, self-aware characters don't make good comedy
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
the TNI article make the valid point that there is something deeply conservative about tina fey's comic persona (both as liz lemon and otherwise). not politically conservative, exactly, but "personally conservative" maybe.
both tina and liz are "good" and "normal". they're smart and responsible people who know how to behave. they shun impropriety and gaucherie, priding themselves on their ability to make reasonable decisions and keep their lives in order. 30 rock clearly sees shares this sensibility, treating its less self-consciously "proper" and/or middle class characters as comic grotesques. it even mocks twofer for being too proper. there's only a very narrow cultural/social bandwidth in which 30 rock characters are allowed to exist in and still seem "normal". and the gauche behavior of abnormal people is constantly on instructive display: this is how not to be.
perhaps this kind of conservatism, the kind that patrols the boundary between "normalcy" and "weirdness" (and which should not be confused with political conservatism, though the two can definitely overlap), is an essential component of all comedy. i suppose that's true, but might still argue that 30 rock is more conservative in this sense than it really has to be.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
"[whatever it's other flaws] the TNI article does make..."
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not saying we shouldn't hold tv shows to account, i just think criticizing sitcom characters for having exaggerated flaws is, well, maybe missing the point?
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
i just think criticizing sitcom characters for having exaggerated flaws is, well, maybe missing the point?
yeah, that's were i wound up. did want to point out that there's a kind of apolitical conservatism that's expressed fey's basic stance: "i am a decent person. i don't do drugs or sleep around. i wear normal boring clothes, like normal boring stuff and get to bed at a decent hour (and secretly think poor people are kind of gross and trashy hee)."
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
"expressed in fey's basic stance..."
both tina and liz are "good" and "normal". they're smart and responsible people who know how to behave.
Liz is responsible, not sure I would sign on to the other two.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
"i am a decent person. i don't do drugs or sleep around. i wear normal boring clothes, like normal boring stuff and get to bed at a decent hour (and secretly think poor people are kind of gross and trashy hee)."
Liz totally sleeps around, her fashion choices are routinely ridiculed, she does not go to bed at a decent hour she stays up all night watching reality TV and having weird sex etc.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno. the way i see it, lemon considers herself a smart, educated, moral, socially-conscious person. she constantly falls short of her self-image or gets pushed off her high horse. for me, that's funny, not because "ha, dumb liberals can't live up to their ideals," but because "ha, that's me."
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
also does the author of that article consider 'an activia microwaveable panini' to be gourmet food y/n
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
I can't believe someone came up with the concept of "blackface calibration" and didn't think "this may be taking ironic distance a step too far, posting this on the 'is this racist?' thread"
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
if the show is horribly prejudiced against any group in particular it's probably people from the south
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
no way does liz sleep around. she's a serial monogamist. he fashion choices are ridiculed as dowdy (i.e. conservative, boring, lazy, old-fashioned). she may stay up late watching bad TV on occasion, but we know she isn't clubbing or anything too wild. she's at home being normal. she's conservative. she values dependable, responsible decency more than wildly impulsive extroversion. jenna is the one mocked for sleeping around, and the show expresses real disgust at her behavior and morality.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
and comedy writers
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
^^^this
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
My people have been so persecuted.
― pplains, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
by Yankee comedy writers. *smh*
that possum's what been up 'n bit my momma's neck brace
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think anything in the whole of 30 rock was as harsh as conan was to the kenneth actor in that documentary. was that a bit (i hope)?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah most people in NYC think if you are from the south you are from the land of Kenneth.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
tbf...
― Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
keep forgetting this is not actually the 30 Rock thread
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
Xposts, but what would Liz Lemon need to do in order not to be considered conservative? Party all night and do drugs? Wear flamboyant clothing? Are these the hallmarks of forward-thinking and progressive people?
― scarfs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
i tried to draw a clear distinction btwn political conservatism and what i was calling liz/tina's "personal conservatism"
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
also, i get the nagging feeling that this discussion really should move to the 30 rock thread at this point
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
once i saw some show like right before 30 Rock that was some asian dude going CHANG CHANG CHANG CHANG to the tune of 'Carol of the Bells.' Is that racist?
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
okay i am going to rudely interject without having completely caught up on the thread--30 rock doesn't strike me as conservative necessarily (although i guess that word could have a lot of meanings; sometimes i think comedy is inherently conservative), but it does strike me as particularly ruthlessly deflating of beliefs tina fey herself might be suspected of having--feminism, "bourgeois liberalism" as someone put it upthread. also that second season episode that carrie fisher guest-starred in still sticks in my craw because there's something so upsetting about how it disposes of her and liz's relief to be on the winning side at the end. generally, i think tina fey's humor is kind of ruthless, particularly towards herself.
for that reason, though, i think it's pretty good on race generally because it deflates a bourgeois liberal type who wants to believe she's a beacon of racial tolerance but reveals herself to be not so much a lot of the time. to be fair, i missed most of the third and fourth seasons. definitely think this discussion of race is interesting; will now catch up on thread.
i have a lot of *feelings* about the sensibility of the show, for sure. it's so funny and so clever but sometimes the politics bother me. i might be a little too earnest to really handle tina fey.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
i also defer to al; feel like he's the privileged critic of 30 rock on ilx.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
well said
xpost awwwww
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
if anything i'm too much of a stan of the show to cede ground to criticism, which is part of why i was relieved to have to dip out of this thread a few hours ago
it does strike me as particularly ruthlessly deflating of beliefs tina fey herself might be suspected of having--feminism, "bourgeois liberalism" as someone put it upthread. also that second season episode that carrie fisher guest-starred in still sticks in my craw because there's something so upsetting about how it disposes of her and liz's relief to be on the winning side at the end. generally, i think tina fey's humor is kind of ruthless, particularly towards herself.
for that reason, though, i think it's pretty good on race generally because it deflates a bourgeois liberal type who wants to believe she's a beacon of racial tolerance but reveals herself to be not so much a lot of the time.
this is really, really otm by the way and i wish i'd been able to express it remotely as well upthread. i think one of the defining traits of Fey's sensibility is an antipathy toward patting yourself on the back for having the 'right' beliefs, especially as a form of comedy (she used the term "clapter" to deride the way The Daily Show would whip up audience reaction in a "you said it! preach on!" kind of way as opposed to pure laughter).
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
no, you are v insightful about it; also stans are the best people
xp see! otm
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha i agree with horseshoe too despite having fought about this w/ al upthread
― max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
maybe the episode where Liz gets obsessed with Designing Women is evidence of how TF might be wary of making a kind of tritely 'empowering' woman-centered sitcom. like, if she thought being a role model or setting a brassy strong liberal woman example was more important than being funny the show would probably be more like Murphy Brown.
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
i should prob just read Bossypants already.
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
i can see that perspective, but to me the show feels sometimes like it's really hard on women as an epiphenomenon of tina fey being really hard on herself. which can make it hard/frustrating to watch sometimes. and i would trace that to her work on Saturday Night Live before, too.
i also feel like i expect impossible things from her because she means a lot to me, so smart, so successful against ridic odds. i unfairly want to accuse her of having become male-identified out of necessity considering the world she has successfully infiltrated. i am a little overly invested in tina fey.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, racism
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i kinda wonder if that's the place that a lot of these over-the-top thinkpieces about TF are coming from. but at least from my perspective, she seems no less committed to feminism or her idea of womanhood than, say, Janeane Garofalo, but a lot more committed to that not making her increasingly strident and humorless. which i respect a lot just on an artistic/comedic level, although maybe it requires some male privilege to view it from that distance.
xpost haha
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
think tina fey's in that weird unsustainable position where everything she does causes people to raise their standards for her, but then i like tina fey a lot too
― good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
oh horseshoe just said that
naw you said it better. it's what happens when you break a ceiling all by yourself. a nation of weirdo women turns its lonely eyes to you.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
the high standard tina fey sets doesn't make me judge her harshly, it makes me judge lena dunham harshly tbh
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
there are more ways to be funny than the tina fey way! thank god! (let's not do this itt)
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
haha sorry i couldn't resist
― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
horseshoe start a thread on how comedy is inherently conservative
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
what if i lazily search ilx to see if i have expounded on that topic before? (i don't have anything that interesting to say about it tbh.)
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
idc
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
some dude and horseshoe otm, esp the part of shoe's post SD quoted
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
i can see that perspective, but to me the show feels sometimes like it's really hard on women as an epiphenomenon of tina fey being really hard on herself.
i think there's maybe a sense that she has to be tough enough, ruthless enough for comedy, especially as a woman, and that makes her extra harsh towards her own feminist/liberal pieties
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:53 (eleven years ago) link
threads started at 10 pm on a monday night est are the most-responded-to-threads iirc:
is comedy inherently conservative?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
Tracy: Affirmative action was designed to keep women and minorities in competition with each other to distract us while white dudes inject AIDS into our chicken nuggets. That's a metaphor.― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, May 14, 2012 8:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, May 14, 2012 8:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i remember the moment i saw this line delivered thinking "this is gonna be an awesome fucking show"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
ps if u accuse me of otming a tracy jordan line i will play basketball with your ribcage
I actually agree that 30 Rock is unfair in its treatment of Kenneth and possibly even Twofer. However, what attitude does anyone think the show should take towards a character like Jenna? I never thought that she is ridiculed for sleeping around per se. She is ridiculed for her extreme narcissism and gold-digging. I never even thought her relationship with Paul was portrayed completely unsympathetically.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
sympathetic grotesquerie, a hard line to walk but they pull it off okay. mostly due to the shows very careful sympathy for paul. i don't know that the show ridicules jenna for sleeping around, exactly, but it does seem to view her sexual behavior (as well as her entire character) as gross and pathetic. makes sense, because she's narcissistic neediness incarnate. same could be said of tracy, though, and the show isn't anywhere near as outright repulsed by him.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
^ contains errors, fuggit
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:57 (eleven years ago) link
Her sexual behaviour (as well as her entire character) are often gross and pathetic! But not because they're 'deviant'!
Tracy is more just childish and self-indulgent, not a sociopathic narcissist.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 06:12 (eleven years ago) link
That seems kinda harsh to me: I don't watch 30 Rock enough to be able to speak authoritatively about it, but I feel the show is less about making Jenna the butt of a bunch of 'old w****' jokes and more about using her as a vehicle of satire against the unrepentant shallowness of showbiz
But, I mean, I barely watch the show, so...
― cinco de extra mayo (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
using her as a vehicle of satire against the unrepentant shallowness of showbiz
Well, yeah, maybe I didn't emphasize that aspect enough.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
Its probably goes-without-saying obvious for those who tune in regularly...
― cinco de extra mayo (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 06:24 (eleven years ago) link
Jenna and paul have the only healthy relationship on the show, except for maybe liz's new thing depending on how that goes
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, you don't have to spell it out if it's really that offensive, but what the hell does 'old w****' mean?
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
Guessing that's 'old whore'
So...30 rock isn't racist, unless maybe there's some deep analysis that gets to the heart of some subtle but ingrained thread of racism, idk, but nobody's really made any kind of coherant thesis along these lines.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
I guess at bottom, I'm willing to give 30 Rock of all shows a pass on any minor racism because all of the characters are original and complex enough to transcend it. The AA humor is what bothered me the most, because the implicit message seemed like "wink wink, you know there wouldn't be black people here otherwise."
OTOH I can think of some relatively progressive stuff the show has done with gender and sexual orientation, e.g. having a powerful, dominant gay male character (Will Arnett) and having a straight female impersonator. Even though they're played for comic effect, it's almost unheard of for network television to acknowledge the existence of such people.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty much any time I see five asterisks together these days, I assume it either means "igger" or "ucker".
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
how do you figger?
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just a sucker.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
Even though they're played for comic effect, it's almost unheard of for network television to acknowledge the existence of such people.
This kind of thing is surprising until you realize that we do live in a country where Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle is considered racially progressive.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
that's a really good movie
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know about "racially progressive" but it's definitely smart about race
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think I've seen that movie since it first came out but yeah I don't think I can hate that movie
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's progressive in the fact that it's A) not a kung-fu movie and B) stars an actor of Asian descent anyway, in a lead role.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
you mean two actors, right?
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not sure comic movies can really be progressive in a positive sense but harold and kumar is good, like 30 rock is often good, at limning white racism. and also good at analyzing the differences between how antiblack racism is expressed and institutionalized versus sort of nativist anti-Asian American racism.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
Well really just starring one such actor is kind of unusual. In general American movies don't star actors who aren't white or black unless they're in roles that couldn't be replaced by a white guy. In some cases they're even willing to forgo major plot points in order to fit white guys in (see the blackjack movie 21). Obviously guys like John Cho and Kal Penn will always be able to find work in minor roles but to actually like, be on the poster, is really something
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for explaining
― max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
so what did you think of the movie, frogs?
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Ebony_Shoe
― caek, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
The Belgian Ebony Shoe. Really.
http://www.rsca.be/photodbase/articles/lukaku20110509.jpg http://www.rsca.be/photodbase/articles/boussoufa20090511.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
i was reading this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Kompany and i saw the link and i was like "oh please oh please oh please"
― caek, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
Even with the 30 Rock talk, I'm so glad this thread is finally back on track.
Soccer, possible racist patronizing…. if that shoe turns out to be edible, I think we're going to be in business.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
Werner Herzog and his crazy series of bets with Romelu Lukaku
― cissémanwhore (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
Do you think the ebony shoe thing is more bad because it's an "ebony shoe" or because it's patronizing to have a separate award for best african footballer?
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
Little bit from column a, little bit from column b.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe there's an award for the best Dominican player in baseball. And I have to keep reminding myself that other countries aren't quite the melting pot/salad bowl/spice rack that is the United States of America, so cherry picking out people of one particular continent there might not be the show stopper it is here.
But the EBONY SHOE? Again, I'm sure there is some historical explanation that 50 years ago when the firsat afdoaidsh;aopplayer coame to tbelgiaum theao;dfhdklsjfa, but EBONY SHOE?
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
Would love to see an award for the best white player in basketball
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
- "You have many awards, Mr. Kompany. What's this small one here?"
- "Oh, yes. That is my Ebony Shoe Award. I've won it multiple times."
- "Well, it certainly is ebony. Quite unusual. Tell me, how did you come about winning it?"
- "I was the best player from Africa in Belgian football. For this, they gave me an Ebony Shoe Award."
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Not the best white player, frogs. Best player from Asia or Europe.
Though the first thing I did do is scan the list for South Africans.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i've seen that ebony shoe before, the name is quite....striking
the idea of a prize for best african footballer isn't necessarily wrong, since a lot of excellent african football players have begun their careers in belgium, legacy of colonialism and product of a lax player registration system iirc
there was an entire team of players from the cote d'ivoire at beveren a one time
however the award being given to both african football players and those of african ancestry is patronizing and stupid, kompany was born in belgium and plays for the belgian national team but because he is half congolese he is somehow categorically different from flemish and wallonian players
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
belgium probably shdn't exist anyway so there's that
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/J8Q0n.jpg
kevin mirallas, five time winner of the platonic shoe given to belgian players of hellenic extraction
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
residual guilt for the Congo and King Leopold?!?
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
i'm guessing americans think it's racist primarily for the 'ebony and ivory' imagery rather than for belgium's near-genocidal exploitation of its colonies rare woods, minerals etc
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
platonic shoe is the shoe from which all other shoes derive shoeness presumably
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
I did think of Ebony and Ivory first, but now that you mention it, I had forgotten about that "Belgians In the Congo" line from We Didn't Start the Fire.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
I always tend to wonder if the Ebony shoe could be won by say a white Namibian/South African.
Also, I think Mbark Boussouffa won it a couple of times, who was born and grew up up in Amsterdam (sure of Moroccan descent, but still...)
― Ludo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
also, would Ryan Giggs be able to win it
― Ludo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9dCY0ixWanA/Tm6MH8oGgFI/AAAAAAAABso/DP9n8enFdqg/s1600/waffles.jpg
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/j7iGK.jpg
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
that doesn't even make a lick of sense. there are no fat chinese people?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure the Chinese cook their rice too.
― pplains, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
and i don't think they put of lot of butter on it
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_dan/cute-chinese-baby.jpg
so very fat
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
"switch from routine to rice"? Isnt white rice like the most routine side you could possibly make apart from mashed potato?
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:22 (eleven years ago) link
Not if you're a good Amurrican.
― nickn, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
people in the U.S. didn't eat much rice at all, back when - getting people to think of it as something usual at dinner was a very long effort driven in part by the fact that you can grow it in eg Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina et al
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:33 (eleven years ago) link
Was rice uncommon in America in 1967? Really?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:33 (eleven years ago) link
recently I was told that a cafe is bring run by 'the chinese' (by which she meant 'a family of east asian descent')
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
idk know why their genealogy was a crucial element of who's running the cafe
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
I can't really back this up though this is mainly going on my old cookbooks from the fifties/sixties which often have some "for a change of pace, try a rice dish" thing - looks like on some quick googling that rice was being grown in the colonies from 1694 so I'm guessing the "eat more rice" thing is more of an "increase sales" deal than a "make people think of rice as a thing you eat" one, I don't know, I need a grant for further research on this
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'll PayPal you $3.25
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
God all we ever ate when I was a kid was either plain boiled rice, or boiled potatoes and green beans, as sides. Blech.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
The difference between Polo and Chelow is not the way the rice is cooked but rather Chelow is referred to as plain rice which is served with a stew or kebab (chelow khoresh badenjan, chelow kabab) while Polo is rice mixed with something (such as Baghali Polo, Zereshk polo, Loubia Polo etc.)
well there's five of my mom's seven dinners right there
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:29 (eleven years ago) link
in a week i mean
Traditionally, rice was most prevalent as a major staple item in the rice growing region of northern Iran, and the homes of the wealthy, while in the rest of the country bread was the dominant staple
yyyyyeaaaaahhhhh
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
In the 60s we rarely had rice with dinner, and when we did it was Uncle Ben's "minute rice." I do remember when we lived in Michigan we had rice for breakfast in winter sometimes, with milk on it, as a break from Malto-Meal.
x-post. Also grown in the Sacramento delta area. I think we sold a lot to Japan when they had a shortage a few years ago.
― nickn, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:44 (eleven years ago) link
I had the idea late last night that there should be an "Is This Racist" lightning round thread.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
is this Ricist?
― Mark Ruffalo! is gonna tell us! about empathy! (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
SEND THE MESSAGE TO PRIME 6: Indie Music Will Earn You More Than Hip-Hop!!!
My name is Jennifer McMillen, and I live only a few doors down from the proposed site of Prime 6. Like most of the folks at the CB6 meeting on Monday night, I too have been concerned about the impending entrance of Prime 6 into our community and our daily lives.
I'm not generally the type of person that speaks up, (I remained silent during the entire Monday night meeting), but in this situation, I'm hopeful that I've stumbled onto a solution that makes so much sense for *both* parties that I'm beyond excited to share it with all of you.
First, let me explain what's at the heart of this conflict: I know for a fact that there's no single type of establishment (or type of bar/club patron for that matter) that Park Slopers would inherently view as "undesirable." I don't think anyone would deny that Park Slopers are about the least "racist" people on the planet.
What IS causing strife in this situation is that over the last ten years, Park Slope has become a family-oriented and family-centric community. This can be annoying at times - believe me, as someone who has chosen not to have children, I'm more than aware of the self-entitled attitude that often pervades parts of our community.
Nevertheless, it's just a fact that in this neighborhood, family comes first.
Prime 6 has to realize this - but at the same time - Park Slope families need to realize that this is a free country, and that Prime 6 has a right to exist. Furthermore, no one can legally stop the owners from doing what it is they're going to do.
So here's the gist of my big idea: Isn't there some middle ground between this spot being a stroller repair shop and it being a full-on hip-hop club?
No one can change the fact that Prime 6 WILL exist - they have their liquor license, and nothing's going to deter them from opening. BUT: What if owner Akiva Ofshtein could be convinced that his business will see far more financial success as a different kind of nightlife establishment. Instead of focussing on hip-hop and urban entertainment, what if Prime 6 embraced some of the more indie local artists of ALL races who live and perform in the area.
It's not "racist" to equate hip-hop with an elevated crime rate vis a vi other types of musical genres - It's just a statistical fact that crime is more likely to occur among urban audiences than among audiences of other demographics. R&B and rap happen to be my two favorite types of music, but no one (especially my African American friends and colleagues) would seriously deny that hip-hop's violent history tragically precedes it.
In addition, conveniently(!), we also happen to be in the middle of an unprecedented drought of live music. Seventh Ave has ZERO venues for live music by indie artists, and is absolutely ripe for the right type of establishment to come along and breathe life into the live music scene. The business owner who is able to do THAT will reap financial rewards far beyond what they could hope to earn by selling Henessey/etc to basketball fans after a Nets game.
Not only will Akiva Ofshtein make more money by creating a sustainable business that uses social media to bring crowd-drawing acts to Prime 6, he'll also find that by working alongside the community he's joining, he'll build loyal allies in the neighbors around him - INSTEAD of the hostility we saw at the CB6 meeting and on the internet on Tuesday.
After all, which one of Prime 6's direct neighbors wouldn't be forever grateful to Ofshtein for seeding a vibrant artistic hub instead of another Yo MTV Raps "bling-bling" vip club.
As a Park slope resident that has lived steps from Flatbush avenue since 1998, I've seen the neighborhood change drastically in the last 12 years, and I'm well aware of the gentrification sensitivities that have been part of the neighborhood fabric for at least the last decade - so let me tell you first-hand:
We've waited a long time to get to this point: for once, this isn't a question of race or even class. My hope is that artists and art-appreciators OF EVERY IMAGINABLE BACKGROUND will band together to make this happen - to that end, please tweet and tweet and re-tweet: sign this petition to let Prime 6's owner know what he stands to GAIN by embracing independent LIVE music; and by steering clear of processed, commercial noise.
― sarahell, Thursday, 17 May 2012 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, that is racist.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:11 (eleven years ago) link
also old, and fake
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:19 (eleven years ago) link
o
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
it's fake?
― sarahell, Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it was a prank
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:25 (eleven years ago) link
by whom?
― sarahell, Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:26 (eleven years ago) link
some person who thought it would be funny I don't remember, all the details are on the downtown Brooklyn thread iirc
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
...blah blah selling Henessey/etc to basketball fans after a Nets game.
^ kind of gives the game away
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 06:48 (eleven years ago) link
haha is that still going around
― max, Thursday, 17 May 2012 10:52 (eleven years ago) link
“go-to spot for farm-to-table food, super steaks, fresh fish, venison, bison burgers, etc.”
― how's life, Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703300904576178812393548284.html
At a recent meeting, most locals who turned out in force to air gripes about the establishment—tentatively called Prime 6 and set to open in May—didn't know a Ms. McMillen. Efforts by The Wall Street Journal to find a person with that name in New York City were unsuccessful.
― max, Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:43 (eleven years ago) link
Huge 30 Rock x-post, but I'm pretty sure the...
re: first episode, playing in traffic in your underwear screaming 'i am a jedi' speaks more to tracy morgan's experience
...was a reference to Martin Lawrence ('On May 7, 1996, comedian Martin Lawrence suffered a nervous breakdown. Lawrence was picked up by police for standing in the middle of a busy, mid-day Los Angeles intersection and screaming at cars. Although he said it was due to exhaustion and dehydration, his behavior was symptomatic of a mental breakdown...' / from http://www.blackhealthzone.com).
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
is www.blackhealthzone.com racist?
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Because it's all about the health problems mainly faced by people of African descent? I wouldn't think so.
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah why would it be racist?
― dayo, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
Health is an issue where you can't be color-blind. Are you a black male? Guess what, you're more likely to die of a heart attack than a white male of the same age. There's a score of other health-related problems that affect blacks more.
Now why isn't there a whitehealthzone.com? I dunno, maybe because all it would be about is how to survive zipline accidents and Mountain Dew poisoning.
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
khaki burns
― goole, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah why would it be racist?― dayo
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
Are you trying to start an argument, Mr. Forks?
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
not at all, falling back now
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
ha yeah people really jumped on you about that, i thought what you were doing was pretty obvious
― that's why god made kokomo (some dude), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
from now on, i will look at any inquiry from forks twice to spot ulterior motives before continuing to answer his question in a respectable fashion.
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
oh will you?
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
no I won't, falling back now
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
is this wiki page racist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
trying to imagine a black guy on a zipline or wearing khakis or eating sandwiches even LOL
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, and I just realized that you were just taking blackhealthzone.com from the comment made about 30 Rock.
I don't watch 30 Rock, so I haven't been paying close attention to this thread lately.
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
pplains, it's all love
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
er, xpost
pplainslovezone.com
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
don't click on that at work
― pplains, Thursday, 17 May 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
pplains got chastized for clicking on pplainslovezone.com at work. repeatedly.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 17 May 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://rareseeds.com/ching-chang-bok-choy.html
― mh, Thursday, 17 May 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
last nights 30 rock episode was pretty great in terms of the stuff we were talking abt itt
― max, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
i mean in terms of "being smart and challenging about race"
that being said margaret cho's kim jong il is..... something
― max, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
― mh, Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
this is probably just a romanization of 清江白菜 using a wade-giles type system
― dayo, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
xp that something is straight up horrible. i mean, at least they got an Asian to play it (i still remember Amy Poehler), but ugh, still
― Nhex, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
thx dayo!
― mh, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
why are you laughing at me, I thought we were friends
*sob*
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
*sobs*
*ziplines away across Cambridge*
― pplains, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
Little known fact, DJP ziplines to work every day.
goddamnit, xp
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
― pplains, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
Pictured: Boston, MA [citation needed]
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2010/6/23/45%20Zipline%20Into%20Guerilla%20Country!.jpg
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
Those don't look like khakis.
― pplains, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
But his pockets are full of sandwiches.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
i agree that sho's accent is iffy but isn't it basically the same accent cho uses in her stand-up to imitate her parents? i don't think that excuses the 30 rock bits but it's not like she's in yellowface. but it's not as for her characterization of kim jong il, it's at least focused on a specific person, not a race in general, and it's mostly about his ridiculous megalomania instead of a parade of general asian stereotypes?
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
garbled that. but it's not
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
xp i don't disagree with your facts, but i'm still going with my gut here
― Nhex, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
counting down to korean blackface youtubes….
― pplains, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
specific character parodies can become metonymic of a larger group pretty easily tho. wouldn't be surprised if most people remember just haha funny accent. nb haven't seen any of the pop American culture parodies of Kim Jong but uh have encountered them second hand after team America
― dayo, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
I know the impersonation from MADTV and Team America.
It must be hard though to impersonate someone whose voice was almost-never heard, but it can go too far.
Dayo, have you seen the semi-regular opening skit on SNL where Bill Hader plays the Chinese premier appearing side-by-side with Obama and talks about the U.S. not paying their debt?
― pplains, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
no but sounds great
― dayo, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
It was Forte and Hader. They don't stretch their eyes out or anything, but it's still odd to see four white comedians play Asian and African-American figures.
― pplains, Friday, 18 May 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
i had reservations about cho's kji last week, but decided not to air them during the earlier part of the discussion. the fact that it's a fairly accurate parody of a specific, horrible and rather bizarre person does help justify the approach. i'm with nhex, however, in that something about it still doesn't sit quite right.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
Margaret Cho is one of the worst comedians
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 May 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
sad but tru
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
cho vs. chang
― polyphonic, Friday, 18 May 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
chage match
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Who is chang? Not the tennis player I assume
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
Chang is the name of Ken Jeong's character on "Community"
― the girl with the swag and tattoo (some dude), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah I haven't watched the greatest show in the history of human kind that often
― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
know what that makes you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9ATQFgu9o
― pplains, Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
man that is some comedy.
i had reservations about cho's kji last week
compared to last year?
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/543065_397389696971229_322009484509251_1155438_111226802_n.jpg
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
defend the indefensible: ASIA
― judas, a scary ho (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
not true, i am facebook friends with that kid.
― ♆ (gr8080), Saturday, 19 May 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
How do people think that kid learned how to live?
― mh, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Gr80 thread most likely
― bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
Exactly
― mh, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.cholafied.com/
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
aside from being terrible it's really pissing me off that they're not deviating from the same goddamn eyebrow shape / tear / lipliner color
― Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://cholany.com
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
...what in heck is chola? Thats something that apparently hasnt escaped the Americas at all o_0 is it some sort of juggalo thing?
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
m. cholo, f. chola
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
o trayuomas
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
Oh come on, you act disingenious about aus things all the time ;P
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
Trayce: http://bit.ly/JPqcbJ
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.mistermichaeljason.com/Cholafied
Assignment:Create a blog that reflects your interests and drive traffic to your site.
Cholafied comes from the mind of a Los Angeles kid who grew up in the 90's back when chola style was popular. Cholafied combines the nostalgia of L.A. street culture with L.A.'s obsession with fame. Los Angeles manufactures the famous. We have fandoms who are loyal to them, but like a gang initiation we beat them down so we can watch them try to get back up. I reimagine pop culture icons as L.A. gangster chicks, and jump them into a gang - into the absurd.
Result:In one day Cholafied.com had spread to over 160 countries. In less than a month it had over 100,000 unique visitors and 10,000 Tumblr followers. It was featured on news sites (Huffington Post, LA Weekly), gossip blogs (Dlisted, Oh No They Didn’t), lifestyle blogs (Paper Magazine, Vice), and design blogs (Design You Trust, Inspire First).
Buzzfeed even dubbed it “your new favorite Tumblr”. www.Cholafied.com
― goole, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
I think the only reason that tumblr is successful is because ppl see the URL and start singing "so-o-o/so-o-o/so-o-o cholafied" to the tune of Da Brat's "Funkdafied"
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
see i heard it as same but to Sussudio
― phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
i love the dissertation level justification though, lolcollege
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
also from that same guy WHAT THE FUCKhttp://payload.cargocollective.com/1/1/33588/2040681/FangBang2.jpg
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
FANG BANGas an adfor the scifi networkFANG BANG
gold star
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/beastsofthesouthernwild/
― Éden Éden Éden / H.A.Z.A.R.D (nakhchivan), Sunday, 27 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
vid isn't working for me but this is the director, so i'm just gonna guess yes
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNjc4Mzc4MTk4MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDc1NDM4Nw@@._V1._SX640_SY962_.jpg
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
mmm... not sure tbh. nothing... obviously racist?
― Nhex, Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
That mans head is a very weird shape.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
going someplace "to see what the fuss is about" has a whiff of "here we are now, entertain us." why can't you go someplace cuz it sounds good, why do you have to have people "impress" you all the time?
― mario bataille (get bent), Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
whoa, rong thread.
― mario bataille (get bent), Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
works okay
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 28 May 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
By the third time I re-read that sentence, it began to make sense even in this context.
― pplains, Monday, 28 May 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
it seems like whatever the joke the ppl in the photos are in on it http://picsofaznstakingpicsoffood.tumblr.com/
― Mordy, Monday, 4 June 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
I knew an (azn) girl who bought a DSLR just to take pictures of food for her food blog
― chris paul george hill (dayo), Monday, 4 June 2012 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
i'm gonna say racist; but then again people should stop taking pictures of their food, so i give it a cautious pass if it shames any asians into stopping
― Nhex, Monday, 4 June 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uw6ZkbsAH8
maybe a lil' racist, mostly hilarious
― un® (dayo), Saturday, 9 June 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
shackle shoe: is this racist... you decide.
http://i45.tinypic.com/1fztxu.jpg
http://www.freep.com/article/20120619/NEWS07/120619061/Adidas-withdrawing-shackle-shoe-Jesse-Jackson-criticism?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp
The designer, meanwhile, says the inspiration for the shoes was a cartoon character and toy from the 1990s called My Pet Monster, which is purple and blue and is restrained by orange shackles.
That explanation did not convince Lola Adesioye, who writes in the Guardian that the whole episode reflects badly on Adidas:
"There's no doubt that Jeremy Scott, despite his assertions to the contrary, was making a statement about the enslavement of human beings. If he wasn't, he would not have used a shackle-like ankle cuff – with all of its implications.
the guardian: "that's racist"
"Blogger Rachel Tension writes on Stylite.com that pulling the shoes was “an unfortunate decision that says more about people’s propensity to 1) see racism where racism isn’t necessarily hanging around and 2) be really dumb on the internet"
blogger: "that's not racist, also u r dumb"
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
that's a good one. I'll have a nuanced take on it in just a minute
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
why would anyone want to wear those
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
looks like something the bondage-pants crowd would enjoy
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
Lola Adesioye didn't really say that they were racist. Her take was that they would obviously remind a lot of people of the slave trade but that they said more about consumerism than race.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not sure this is racist. are people just angry at jeremy scott for being a 'weird' designer?
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
or for being dumb and not realizing the connotation of putting leg shackles on a human?
― mh, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
was my pet monster racist
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/sports/horse-racing-discovers-new-drug-problem-one-linked-to-frogs.html?_r=2&hp
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Jeremy Scott is the toolbag with the stupid hair, right
This is basically "not racist but COME ON"
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
is the first thing that someone thinks going to be "oh, my pet monster!"
because I seem to remember that toy but didn't until prompted
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
actually, I think I HAD that toy
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
It had a catchy jingle iirc
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
it was honestly the first thing _I_ thought of.i think it's the same color and design.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
we're not racistwe're oldpossibly old and racist but mostly old
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
^and other lyrics from "Lulu"
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
I guess if it was really my _favorite_ monster I'd sure remember it better
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:35 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i also thought of my pet monster initially
nb it was actually he-man
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
I thought Adidas was being cheeky about Nike's sweat shops.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 04:04 (eleven years ago) link
None of my monster toys wore shackles.
http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/My-Pet-Monster.jpg
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.hypebeast.com/image/2009/10/adidas-originals-jeremy-scott-2010-preview-7.jpg
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
http://images.partyamerica.com/images/products/en_us/detail/P445596_dt.jpg
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
ha, who could conceivably stand behind that
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
Why do shackles remind one of the slave trade more than of just any pre-19th century prison?
Also, those 'shackles' don't look so comfortable.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
when people think of prisons in the US the first thing that comes to mind is the staggeringly disproportionately imprisoned black population, if I had to hazard a guess
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
it's not so much "shackles" as it is "shackles on basketball shoes, equipment for a sport currently dominated by black men" that is evoking the slavery imagery
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
I just see basketball players, they could be black, white, purple like "my favorite monster"...
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's a stretch to see these as racist or even particularly insensitive but I can see the consumerist angle and there might be some patronizing 'kids killing each other over Air Jordans' tired shit going on. Over all, my response is 'meh'; not remotely interested in them and I don't trust the man's aesthetic all that much. That urban toreador look above seems a little desperate.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
purple like "my favorite monster"...
Yeah, the intent could be totally innocent* (I think it is). Not racist, but a weird example where the external context does all the heavy lifting and flips perception.
*in no way satorially innocent
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
^r
"No, no, we're not here because of the racism claims. We're just the fashion police. Hands behind your back!"
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
if these were marketed as basketball shoes i would better understand that association but these are definitely hype streetwear? btw i immediately thought of my pet monster
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm really not trying to minimize anybody's reaction to what they find offensive about these shoes but i kinda see this as a natural progression in the work of a kooky designer who has been putting massive cartoon wings on sneakers for a while now
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
this goes back to one's ability to edit IMO
like, sure this design makes sense in the context of the Jeremy Scott aesthetic, but what are these shoes going to look like when 17 year old black teen puts them on (ans: just as stupid as it did when JS put it on, with added unpleasant, unintended overtones)
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
maybe if the shackle wasn't completely superfluous-looking to the rest of the shoe, like say if it was actually attached to the opening of the shoe and served as a final fastener to keep the shoe on rather than as a decorative piece with a long ass chain on the back, it wouldn't have evoked as negative a reaction
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
If your feathers were a little lighter, I'd say you were thinking too hard on this.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
"What if the shackles on the shoe commonly worn by African-American athletes were created from a puffy silver band found at the top of the shoe, above the laces? Then maybe only spacemen from Mars and stardust explorers would be the only ones offended. "
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
What if we just didn't market athletic shoes with shackles in the first place.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
Are you selectively reading here or were you just jonesing so hard to tell the black dude how he should react to something with racial overtones that you're skipping over the points where I am saying "regardless of intent, it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone that these shoes would cause an uproar"?
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Agree. The mental connections from sports shoes to black men, and from chains to slavery, are pretty damn short hops that were bound to occur.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
I can't beleive you just used the verb 'to bind', Aimless!
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
first time i've ever heard "short hops" and "black men" in relationship to basketball shoes, am i right?hah?hah?tough crowd.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not out to tell anyone how they should think or whether they're wrong. I will say that if some white guy on one of these college football boards had something like "maybe the shackle was in the wrong place on that Adidas", I wouldn't have hesitated to say ARE YOU NUTS?
I'm not jonesing and I'm certainly not questioning your judgement or where you're coming from on this. Maybe my reaction is a bit too strong, especially since I've never walked any miles in your shoes. But I have to be honest, I would have let loose on anybody else without pause.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
So is this the rough analog to the yellow-star urban outfitters shirt discussed in the anti-semitism thread?
― eggleston or instagram? (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, as a guy in his late 30s who has no exposure to this designer and has never seen this purple monster toy (stop it), not having any context to go on leans me more into the wtf racist shoe reaction than o rly.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
Those shoes are hideous. They make Reebok Pumps look like something Michael White would wear to a gallery opening.
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
It still seems weird and condescending to me to let loose on someone who has already agreed that the shoes evoke problematic imagery and is explicitly saying "he probably wouldn't have had this reaction if the shackle hadn't looked so much like a shackle" in a conversation with someone else talking about the fashion inspiration of the purple monster toy and the execution of vision involved in this shoe.
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
like, of all the posters on this messageboard, am I AT ALL the one most likely to barrel into a discussion of racial issues with no concern or care for the sensitivity of the subject? does that fit my posting pattern at all?
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
No, of course not.
I apologize if I was cherry picking some of the posts, but "not racist BUT COME ON" really jumped out at me. I'd say this product appears more racist than the bottleopener.
Context, intent, it all looks different depending on who's looking at it.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
one suspects the designer did it because he knew it would get him a boatload of publicity, and consequently bring him to the attention of a very widely scattered and difficult to reach set of customers, who don't give a shit about the racism aspect of these shoes, but care only for their ownoutlandish, preening sense of fashion. the haha my pet monster story was just to give him a bit of cover against being beaten up in the street.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw, I think the shoes are hilarious and would have been awesome if I were a child or a clubber. grrr my shoes are trying to get away from me oh no!!!
but, I mean, it's pretty eye-rollingly hilarious that no one who had anything to say about those shoes going to market saw this coming. I want to be in that bubble. It seems like a happy place!
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
if these shoes cut down on traveling in the NBA i'm all for it
― that's why Love made the weirdos (brownie), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
one suspects the designer did it because he knew it would get him a boatload of publicity
nope.
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
Karma repaid my snarkiness when I went on a GIS for "sock garters" and regretted not putting the safe search mode on.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
I think you misunderstood how I meant "not racist but COME ON".
What I meant was "I believe Jeremy Scott was inspired by My Pet Monster when he created this thing, therefore I believe the intent behind them was not racist. However, how the hell did he sketch the design and get a prototype made without considering any of the wider societal connotations around young black kids with shackles around their ankles?"
This is a terrible idea for a product because of the complete tone-deafness to cultural imagery and how what he did inadvertently evoked a colorful rainbow-hued vision of slavery. I have no doubt in my mind that it was intended to be an homage to a harmless monster toy, however. The Ronaldinho bottle opener explicitly was made to celebrate and emphasize a dark-skinned man's giant buck teeth, which is way way WAY more in line with the inspiration behind similarly-themed racist iconography of black people. There's no long tradition of making offensive shoes that denigrate black people for these ugly-ass sneakers to fall into or resemble, so I don't really get how they come across as instantly more offensive than the bottle opener.
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
bottle opener -> kind of racist but not willfully
shoes -> not racist but probably 100% likely to be put into contexts where they seem like a weird racist thing and if anyone had figured that out and still made them, wtf
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
I'd strike the "but not willfully" but otherwise OTM
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
I guess if it's "haha that dude has large teeth" it's more being a dick about his personal appearance, but it's hard to divorce them from "he has large teeth, which is a common thing and a racial characteristic"
it's all racism, yeah
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
"these shoes are ridiculous AND offensive, this fashion designer is clearly trolling for publicity" is mmmaybe crediting too much intent to what i suspect was nothing more than a potentially controversial product sailing through a huge cultural blind spot on its way to market
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
jeremy scott is not generally known for subtlety, if he was going to explore racial imagery you'd probably get a lot more overt stuff than orange plastic shackles.
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
ha this is true, there would probably have been a matching necklace that looked like a noose
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
I would have said the bottleopener wasn't as racist due to our good friend, Mr. Ignorance. Just like the Britishes who I don't believe are racist or prejudiced didn't quite get the American discomfort of that particular product, I can only assume that the bottleopener's creator was making a goofy caricature of a black athlete without fucking using his head first. Perhaps the intent wasn't racist, but the result was. At least it wasn't done for a box of cornbread.
But this Jeremy Scott fella leapfrogged over the caricature motif and right into the very symbol of slavery. And not with a bottle opener or a monster costume, but with athletic shoes made by a brand that focuses on the most African-American dominated sport in this nation. If that dude really was all "hee hee, aintcha heard of the purple monster?", I would have been all "sure I have. How about you wear those to the Juneteenth celebration and I just follow you at a safe distance with this camcorder?"
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
I can see these shoes being designed by Buster in an episode of Arrested Development.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
Michael, who is at a bar with a journalist, trying to explain away a recent racist outburst by Lucile, looks up at the TV to see Gob announcing this new line of 'shackle shoes', with buster giggling in the background, playing with his my-pet-monster-inspired shoes. Zoom in on journalists open-mouthed expression. Zoom in of Michael making oh no face. "You're probably not going to believe me when I tell you that there is a perfectly innocent explaination for these shoes."
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
ha the bottle episode was like a game of race telephone between the UK, US and Brazil which (afaik) are the three most racially dicked-over societies on earth
― goole, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
bottle *opener* episode, i think u know i meant.
Gob walks in with Franklin to top it off
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
Am I the only one who sees those silly-ass shoes as potentially racist, yet in a different racist context: ie. suggestive of those '80s "inner-city youth shot to death for his sneakers" incidents?
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
when i clicked on the thread i hopefully said "10 to 1" to myself -- not close, but 10 to 4 ain't bad either as far as vindicating my fun. hate --here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude)
I think it's a stretch to see these as racist or even particularly insensitive --Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White)
Good call, Michael WHITE
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
Lol at Shipley post that I was gonna zing still in my iphone
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
has everyone still not absorbed the fact that intent doesn't matter
nearly every racist thing in this thread was created/started by an idiot who wasn't trying to be racist
getting to a certain point in your life -- like the point where you're a famous shoe designer or w/e -- and still lacking the foresight/knowledge/common sense to realize that sneakers with shackles on them are going to be received as 'offensive' only means you don't know a damn fucking thing about race/blackness in the modern world. no one should be forgiven for not even attempting to make themselves less stupid.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 21 June 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2zbOwbeEs
sry oliver looks like 'yes' from the trailer (not that i'm gonna actually see it)
the juxtaposition between the innocent lilywhite damsel in distress and the maniacal googly-eyed salma + innocent cuddly romantic white pot growers, one of whom is extremely violent but in a way that would make him endearing (DOING IT FOR LOVE DAMMIT) fighting against the evil scary brown drug cartel who are also just stereotypes + actually using ironic cultural appropriation as a weapon + 'savages'
now obv there is a possibility that the movie attempts very hard to equate the two sides as equally 'savage'. (i'm guessing that's the case, and that it also sucks at making any of its points cogent or comprehensible.) but if the trailer is any indication, it still won't be able to make any point/commentary without still being fucked up about it. if nothing else, whoever cut the trailer (the selling point is 'come watch these keut whites take on evil latinos n save their black+white princess') did a fucked up job of it.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
preposterous and awesome
― pandemic, Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
zachlyon, are you incapable of understanding written English or did you just gloss over the big argument between pplains and me and do I need to point out again that telling the black dude how he should be responding to racism on the "is this racist?" thread is an interesting, drowning-in-irony choice
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Thursday, 21 June 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
Point taken, but I'm still going to tell the black dude that he's way off on Family Guy.
― pplains, Thursday, 21 June 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
I would be sad if you didn't!
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
DJP i agree with everything you've said itt about the shoes and i don't think my post was directed @ any black dudes? just felt like it was worth reiterating that intent isn't the important thing here
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
is it just the difference between calling it racist and calling it fucked up, based on intent? was just saying that innocent intent doesn't excuse ignorance, not trying to compare it to the bottle opener or anything or add to that strain of the conversation at all. but i can see how it can be taken that way, so i'm sorry about that, wasn't my "INTEEEENT" to dispute your response.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
DJP is "my favorite black man"
― mh, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
That post is already looking way too bad and I m still kind of tipsy. Shit.
― mh, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:26 (eleven years ago) link
LOVE YOU DAN
yeah DJP i didn't really understand why you went after zach there, didn't feel like he was telling you or anyone what to think
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
well maybe he shouldn't have started out his post with 'has everyone'
― un® (dayo), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
I just finished an argument with pplains where I said I was sure dude's intent wasn't racially motivated, which is why I think the shoes are not intentionally racist even though they present that way, so zach saying "how many times do we have to say intent doesn't matter, you should find this racist" sounded like a reiteration of pp's side of the argument to me
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
I apologize for the harsh reaction
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
My mistake, for the record, wasn't presuming that you should be offended, but presuming that you would be offended.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
no need to apologize, i see it. i was sort of jumping over the convo there and responding to michael white et al saying that it wasn't offensive because scott wasn't trying to be offensive. i forgot that the guardian article at the beginning explicitly said that the implications were intentional.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
well really, the whole thought process that leads to someone making shackle shoes without thinking about what they'd look like on the target audience is one that makes me derisively laugh more than anything else
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
let's not forget the larger issue here -- jeremy scott makes really dumb clothes
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad we're back to discussing things where the level of racism is actually up for debate, i guess?
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh me too, I promise I will do my best to stop being touchy because I don't want to squelch the conversation
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
There's a gong sound, chop suey font and more, but all the folks in this video seem in on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Ee3qJEVZQ
I'm hoping Dayo or Jimmy show up so we can tell them how they should feel about this.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
are you sure that wasn't just compiled from vids already on yt
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2012/06/phrenology-of-chief-keef/
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 22 June 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
wow, chief keef has the same amount of brain matter dedicated to pictures of birdman touching his chin as i do
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
No, I'm not sure, now that you mention it. What a weird thing to compile, if that's the case.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, June 22, 2012 7:58 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loooool
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 22 June 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://felkes.tumblr.com/post/23019812161/hello-you-might-know-me-as-lanina-from-werelist-i
― s.clover, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
― goole, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
the list of animals most commonly identified w/ is disappointing
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5xt8pbagR1qg7xy3o1_500.png
isn't there anyone who identifies as a carp or something? non-mammalian therians have it hardest imo
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
i keep almost starting a thread about this kind of fringe identity stuff. otherkin, but more importantly "transracial"/"transethnic" and "transabled" ppl. i want to find more examples though. all sorts of dumb shit on tumblr/livejournal.
and yeah, no one ever ends up identifying as a non-cute/cool animal/pokemon
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1182852800l/1339239.jpg
looks curious
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 June 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i found that link via this, which is a bit too outraged for my taste, since the righteousness drowns the lulz: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69900212.html
― s.clover, Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Methinks the lady doth protest too much etc.
Actually I'm really curious about this transabilism thing; there are actually people with such severe body dysmorphia that they seek to have healthy limbs amputated.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
that ONTD was C+P'd from thought catalog, not really supposed to be funny (it is also the 1 in 50,000 thought catalog articles that doesn't belong in hell)
imo a trans woman of color can be as righteous and angry as she wants @ this bs
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Well the idea of "transethnicity" is certainly troublesome. More fraught than Otherkin.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Saturday, 23 June 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
this is just white wolf fanfic, right?
― Mordy, Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
black asian or hispanic wolf actually
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
Those last three things don't seem racist so much as people who have gone insane and take themselves way too seriously about it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of it belongs more in the "is this transphobic" thread tbh
and yeah there's nothing wrong with being an otherkin or whatever; the offensiveness comes from their co-opting the language from actually oppressed people and claiming their subculture is similarly oppressed. it's really common to hear them say a variation of "you wouldn't say that to a transgender person, would you?" in response to criticism.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
zachlyon otm as far as i can see
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 June 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
idgi, isn't it just a metaphor for transphobia and maybe a safe space for exploring those ideas/feelings? i mean, there's no such thing as werewolves.
― Mordy, Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's possible for people to explore their feelings and their hardships without appropriating the politics of people who are killed for theirs.
not to mention the fact that otherkin werewolves claiming trans immunity as a 'metaphor' are just gonna make it harder for the transgender people to be taken seriously and i just wish i never had to write this sentence
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
should say the rights of transgender people to be taken seriously ^
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
what does 'claiming trans immunity' mean?
― Mordy, Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
using the idealogical arguments/points of the transgender discussion the a defense of a non-transgender identity as though it's all the same
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 24 June 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
*as a
transethnic?
transabled?
demisexual?
what the fuck did people even do with themselves before the internet.
― goole, Sunday, 24 June 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link
'bate
― catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 24 June 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
Go away. Batin'.
― mh, Sunday, 24 June 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
I can relate because I think I'm a dog with sunglasses
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
exception that proves the rule there
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 June 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
yep that's my identity don't were it out!
― slugbuggy, Sunday, 24 June 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
^ kudos
***VAMPIRES***AND***WEREWOLFS***
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Monday, 25 June 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
I spent a large proportion of yesterday reading about the Final Fantasy 7 house thanks to the "soulbonding" wormhole you guys sent me on. Jesus bloody Christos.
― emil.y, Monday, 25 June 2012 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
5 minute summary???
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Monday, 25 June 2012 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
Insane young couple claim they are multiply soul-bonded video game characters from FF7 (and a host of other fictional characters), invite other young people in the fandom to stay with them and convince them the whole thing is real, take their money, separate them from their friends, hit them a lot...
No idea how much of the story is true (it seems to be fairly immature people in their early 20s, so could be a lot of dramallama interpretations, for one thing), but it's a complete mindfuck.
― emil.y, Monday, 25 June 2012 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
too bad leon festinger isn't still around to write about FF7 house
― Mordy, Monday, 25 June 2012 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
started losing my own sanity after about a page of those stories
― Nhex, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
I very clearly remember her putting on a lab coat and calling various medical supply companies in the yellow pages trying to get medical syringes.
she put on a lab coat so that she could trick the ppl she was calling over the phone.
wonderful.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
have no time to read, have no energy to resist
― robert mcnamara in reverse (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 05:12 (eleven years ago) link
OMG I remember reading all that some years back! Jesus, it was frightening.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 10:20 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
So does the US Census regard "wolf" as an ethnicity or a race?
― 'Sit pax in valle tamesis' ('Let there be Peace in the Thames Valley') (Viceroy), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Sounds non-Hispanic to me.
― pplains, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://i46.tinypic.com/311uaeb.jpg
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
― pvmic bellvm (goole), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
dinnertimin' is my new favorite word
― mh, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
wow @ "there's no tipping"
― some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, G! I've always read this thread as "Rolling This is Racist . . ." util now. Anyway, I can't believe this was a real thing. "Dinnertimin'" is pretty great though, it's true.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it's not racist if i start using "Dinnertimin" in my day-to-day life is it? Cos i might start doing that
― Number None, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
Did Tony Gwynn write that copy?
― pplains, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
awesome
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
here comes dinnertimin' simon
― some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/06/katy_perry_says_she_wants_to_skin_japanese_people_and_wear_them_like_versace.html
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
Could imagine Tracy Jordan using that line.
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of feel like the whole patronising Orientalism thing is racist, but the clearly hyperbolic "I want to skin them and wear them" isn't. Unless it's playing to a stereotype I've never heard of?
― emil.y, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
the inside of japanese ppl's skin is stereotypically soft like cashmere
― Mordy, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
their skin is particularly buoyant so I can see why this would be troubling to whiney
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
HA
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
― emil.y, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
― emil.y, Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:58 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
flawless pale white skin?
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
this is a very ilx response to this poster i think
― Just saying. (stevie), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
btw if you watch the vid, it's not racist
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't watch the vid because the article contradicted itself in the space of like three sentences
― jacob von logflume (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
Think she was talking about one partic person, it's just creepy and entertaining
― mh, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
she's just ripping off gwen stefani again, gwen already buffalo bill'd her harajuku girls
― some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
saddened that only on cynical ol' ILX would a poster aimed at black people that makes a virtue of "there's no tipping" be considered racist
― ENPBGIW (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
cue Louis clip...
― Nhex, Thursday, 28 June 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
I am going to an "Indian themed" party hosted by Very Rich, landowner, boarding school people tonight. It is fancy dress. The possibilities are endless. This family once had dwarfs serving drinks. I am extremely worried.
― owenf, Saturday, 30 June 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Woah
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 30 June 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
Could you develop a headache that requires you to send your deepest regrets?
― Aimless, Saturday, 30 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
ha one of my friend's parents had a party like that when he was a kid. they are very rich boarding school people, too. he remembers brownface.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 30 June 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
This family once had dwarfs serving drinks.
I can't even.
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Saturday, 30 June 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
real gs hire the dwarves to serve drinks
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 June 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Show up dressed as Lord Jeffrey Amherst
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Saturday, 30 June 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
So her J Pop America Fun Time Now character..........IS REAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0AckyjsFo
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Saturday, 30 June 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
"If there is such a thing as a loving form of racism, I think you've found it."
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Saturday, 30 June 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
hooo boy. i don't even know...
― Nhex, Sunday, 1 July 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
Pushing "I'm not racist but" to the limit.
https://twitter.com/MandaSwaggie/status/218216668143419393
(I looked at her timeline and it's so full of obnoxious shit that I wonder if it's some weird sock puppet trolling exercise - either way the fact she has 46,000 followers is mindboggling)
― Get wolves (DL), Monday, 2 July 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
is that somebody notable or are we going to document every troll there is now
― goole, Monday, 2 July 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for posting that, it was really something I needed to see
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Monday, 2 July 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
Well, now we need to decide if it's racist or not.
― s.clover, Monday, 2 July 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Personally, I vote yes.
― s.clover, Monday, 2 July 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
truly there is some amount of debate that can be had about whether that Twitter post is racist or not, it's certainly unclear and deserves some unpacking
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Monday, 2 July 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
I think we need to speculate about the intentions of the author. Maybe it was just a made out of ignorance, and we don't have the right context to understand what they were getting at.
― s.clover, Monday, 2 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry DJP. Someone RT'd it in disbelief and I was staggered by it because of the number of followers but it was unnecessary. Mods can delete if they want. I sometimes forget that ignoring is an option. My fuck-up.
― Get wolves (DL), Monday, 2 July 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
tbf, 46236 followers for that kinda bullshit is very 0_o
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 July 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Monday, 2 July 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
i hope boxxy doesnt say something racist
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 July 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
i went looking for boxxy on twitter and found this and i hate you whineyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHweocGg5N8
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 July 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
okay, so there is no "is this racist?" question with this material and it's probably long since discussed on one of the politics threads i avoid, but i hadn't heard of it and i kinda thunk dan would be amazed if he hadn't either so FEAST YOUR EYES on 40 pages of tea party comixhttp://www.ep.tc/tea-party-comix/02.htmlmore info and 'artist statement' here
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 July 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
persoff's website is hella fun to explore in generalhttp://www.ep.tc/problems/50/31.jpg
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
the Kommisariat's Kontinuing Kronicles: more right-wingery in the USA, 2k11
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, either that or one of the batshit rightwing cartoonists threads.
Having said that, I am totally boggling right now.
― emil.y, Monday, 2 July 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
Amanda Bieber @MandaSwaggie
I was 3 when the World Trade Center collapsed, but I remember everything. Worst day of my life :(
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
That is kind of cool, having the worst day of your life at 3 and things just get better from there
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
if johnny ryan had done tea party comix, it woulda been published by fantagraphix
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
I had 10,000 followers on my old account and Bieber followed me and RTd me twice. I'm so mad it got hacked.
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
50,000 followers seems quite low for a former two time jbiebs retweetee
anyway, good feed, worth reading whole lot or just the cobain ones, 10% chance it's some sinister and brilliant auteur
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
that persoff website is incredible - i've never run into it before
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
Unsurprisingly disturbed by how hot I find boxxxy.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's ok, man
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
unsurprisingly disappointed by how not hot i find boxxy
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
the post that had to be made
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
omg those bike safety comics are CRAZY.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/1kLEo.jpghow is panel 3 not an internet meme
― Nhex, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
that website probably deserves it's own thread, but one more:http://www.ep.tc/problems/21/01-alt.jpg
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 05:51 (eleven years ago) link
Amazing site. This 1970 Superman comic is fascinating - not "is this racist?", more "is this well-meaning but a tad condescending and indirectly responsible for the 1986 movie Soul Man?"
http://web.archive.org/web/20090430104018im_/http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/mathewm1/1.jpg
http://web.archive.org/web/20090430104018/http://cacb.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/lois-lane-i-am-curious-black/
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 08:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/mathewm1/1.jpg
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 08:03 (eleven years ago) link
it's pretty nutty but its by no way the nuttiest lois lane comic of that era...
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
I love that superman comic so much. I sort of remember we had a long discussion of it on ILX ages ago.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
It's surprisingly well-done, given the premise's potential for disaster.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:03 (eleven years ago) link
As if racism weren't bad enough, she also had to escape the clutches of Pat Boone.
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/2/2e/Lois_Lane_009.jpg
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:05 (eleven years ago) link
xpost, the cover is really the best thing about it though: http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/supermans_girlfriend_im_curious_black/
― s.clover, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
the jimmy olsen comics are kind of bizarre too. superman hung out with a bunch of kooks imho.
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
lois lane - wtf?
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 13:05 (eleven years ago) link
kinda lol mostly wut
Jemima Khan @Jemima_KhanOverheard Questlove asking Toure-"who the f*** is the white girl called Jemima?!" In US, my name is always a source of hilarity.
Questo of The Roots @questlove@Jemima_Khan let's start again, cause I don't wanna be the watercooler story of the month"...*shakes hand*. Nice to meet you, I'm Ahmir
Jemima Khan @Jemima_Khan@questlove Good morning. I'm Jemima, no Aunt attached. Hope you enjoyed the debate
― nashwan, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
He's wrong about me... but right about so many others!
― Bananaman Begins, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
this is really relevant here
http://www.ranker.com/list/the-50-greatest-examples-of-superman-being-a-dick/ariel-kana
― frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
late pass, y'all: Superman is a Dick
― some dude, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
personal favehttp://imageshack.us/a/img35/29/21544184.jpg
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
curious jacket girth
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
not so much "is this racist" as "who the fuck is this guy"
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/07/tattoos-addicted-to-the-needle/100332/#img18
― goole, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know but photo #11 could be titled "Pictures of people who are not underrated aerosmith songs."
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
haha that didn't jump to that picture for me so I was scrolling down going "what is goole talking about, this makes no sense WTF REALLY???????? OMG"
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I think there's a reason that guy's face isn't in the photo. o_O
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
I was thinking "Harry Potter's life got interesting after he graduated"
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like there's at least a possibility that that guy is not a bad person for having a death's head tattoo
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZ8EkK3eWY
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
The chances of you being right would be better if he weren't taking part in a war re-enactment. That means he's more than knowledgeable enough to know better, plus unusually high numbers of of war history buffs & re-enactors have pursued those fields because they like one of the sides a little too much, if you take my meaning.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
larel otm. nazi re-enactor + nazi tattoo displayed where it can never be hidden = bad odds on being a good guy.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
He's also wearing an SS ring, and full recreated (or possibly original purchased) uniform with all the extras, you might have noticed.
It would be a tiny bit more defensible if he were dressed as the other side--I admit to some curiosity about Southern re-enactors who willingly play Yankees because there has to be a Union army in the thing, that's a level of commitment to the story that I find interesting.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
the only possibility this guy isn't a facha is if the tattoo is fake. i can't really tell.
tho idk where you'd get a death's head temporary tattoo
or a nice SS ring.
― goole, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
sessesh reenactors creep me the fuck out too
― goole, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
for real, manone hit me up on OK Cupid recently and I was like wtf
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://bfgb.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/confederates.jpg?w=500
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
that book is awesome and hilarious!
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's bad that the first thing that came to mind was one of those 50 cent toy dispensing machines in the grocery store in HSTNGS, right
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
hahahahahaa
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
if south saint paul had a chuck e cheese i bet they would have those at the skeeball ticket redemption counter next to the oversized sunglasses and switchblade combs
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
omg OTM
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
There's a very real possibility he got his mother to draw it on with a felt-tip pen that morning. I don't think war re-enactments carry much political charge in the UK. The chances of him being an actual Nazi-sympathiser rather than a dude who has a strange hobby are probably smaller than is being made out.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
sure, there's a chance. people who aren't tend to pursue hobbies where there isn't much cause for that kind of confusion, though.
― some dude, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
It's one of the biggest re-enactments in Europe - the whole thing is pretty much dedicated to glorifying the British war effort. It would be a bit odd for actual Nazis to want a big part of that. It's one of the only chances you'd get to parade around in a uniform if you were that way inclined, i suppose, but it probably needs to be seen in context.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
don't know where else to put this, but for christ's sake:
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/05/michael-johnson-slavery-speed-olympics/
― k3vin k., Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
my questions:
a) If mom drew that on his hand, how come she doesn't have an art career?b) If that's not a real tattoo, why is it being featured in a photoarticle about tattoos?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure how the person putting the article together could possibly know if it was real or not.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
a) you have a pointb) could be a big mistake
― goole, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
haha this is some magnificent 'benefit of the doubt' ish
― some dude, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
It's a fantasy battle in which guys dressed up as British and US soldiers defeat guys dressed up as German soldiers. I think benefit of the doubt plays a part.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
lol maybe a whooooooole lotta beers ago
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
how the hell do you even go about reenacting WW2
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
first you invade poland
― pandemic, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
xxp Let's say from the neck up. It was the wire-rimmed glasses that decided me.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
c) Why would someone draw an SS Death's Head tattoo on his hand as part of his costume? Was that common?d) How many pies has this dude eaten since he bought/made that costume?
(I understand that question d is a total dick question.)
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
If that's not a real tattoo, why is it being featured in a photoarticle about tattoos?
Me & my coat were once in a photoarticle about polka dots when really the coat was WOVEN CHECKS. Wake up sheeple!
― kinder, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:38 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This really doesn't fit in with your party line of "Maybe the nice kids on TV Tropes just want to document every instance of L0lita panty-flashing in animes"
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
sorry i'm in your awesome thread, bro, i'll show myself out
― some dude, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just saying!
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
is there a reverse godwin's law for people that equate dressing like a nazi to much milder things?
― some dude, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
so want to create a poll thread called "TS: dressing like a Nazi vs cataloging panty-flashing anime Lolitas" right about now
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
don't be stupid be a smarty, come and join the panty-flashing anime Lolitas party
― some dude, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
Can we talk about Michael Johnson now? Because that is IMO a simultaneously controversial and uncontroversial thing to say.
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
Obviously the british people who wrote the article don't know the "black people can't swim" stereotype or it would have been a slam dunk
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
nice basketball ref
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
I wasn't even trying, damn my colloquialisms
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
at any rate, if my personal experiences are at all universal, this is a conversation many black people have had with each other with both sides being argued strenuously
I think there's something... I don't know if "seductive" is the right word, possibly "romantic"?... about the idea that this horrible suffering placed upon African-Americans created this weird unintended boon in later generations.
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/tat070512/s_t32_RTR31P4P.jpg
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
lol, not intended as a response to your post dan. just pretty amazing.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
as i have often attempted to inhabit the mind of a southern plantation owner in my astral projections, i can say that 'olympic running away speed' is the last trait i would select for.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
i am curious though if pol pot inadvertantly cured astigmatism for a generation.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I was about to take this conversation in a direction where I would have offended MYSELF
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
The Michael Johnson quote is like exactly like what got Jimmy the Greek fired 25 years ago!
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
malcolm gladwell has a good rebuttal to the 'genetic advantage' argument. quandary!
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Michael Johnson is presenting a documentary in the UK on this theory. It hasn't shown yet so not drawing any further conclusions but just to put it in context, that was why doubtless why he was asked about it, he didn't just come out with that reply out of nowhere.
― if, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
it has shown now
link to gladwell's rebuttal?
― killer camel beej (cozen), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
y'know, I wonder how the evolving field of epigenetics relates to michael johnson's theory
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.gladwell.com/1997/1997_05_19_a_sports.htm
like most things gladwell, i think it's good in that it's likely true, and a breezy read.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
breezy and headspinning both
― contenderizer, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
bringing it all back to our "wwii re-enactor" friend:
http://brnewsblog.brandrepublic.com/2012/07/03/topshop-sells-t-shirt-featuring-nazi-ss-logo/
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
like most things gladwell, I found it self-contradictory, and sort of glib.
but yeah, the whole genetic athleticism thing is pretty widespread. i don't think it's racist (although it opens that door), but it sort of flies in the face of a fair amount of science, and i can see as a myth how it's sort of comforting and empowering in a certain way -- like dan sez, romantic. strength through adversity, etc.
― s.clover, Friday, 6 July 2012 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
xp I'm guessing that shirt arose when some design intern google image searched "skull and crossbones" and picked something cool-looking to trace in illustrator
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Friday, 6 July 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
guys, gladwell is reductive and the points he makes are usually reasonable but never really supported scientifically by his "evidence". dude is an anecdote-seller and iirc took tobacco lobby cash at one point
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
none of that has much to do with this piece, though. which i think is interesting and a fairly engaging read. i like the way he leads you toward certain conclusions, then undercuts them, keeping his larger point in doubt.
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
That TopShop SS thing made me think of that Mitchell and Webb skit. "are we... the BAD GUYS?"
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, 6 July 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
Seems entirely in-keeping with Slayer's aesthetic - to the point where i'm wondering whether it's not a reproduction of one of their own designs. Topshop are idiots for carrying anything connected to the daft Nazi fetishists in the first place.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
yah tbh i would have had no idea it was explicitly the SS skull and crossbones (as opposed to, like, every other cliched S&C?)
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, 6 July 2012 07:06 (eleven years ago) link
i have an old fuct johnny cash t shirt i bought over a decade ago with that skull on it... the wwii re-enactor i sometimes work with pointed out the source with glee and i don't wear it anymore.
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Friday, 6 July 2012 07:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VwebD70TL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Different company sells the same design as a computer skin.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 07:34 (eleven years ago) link
That's the exact same image that Death in June used on a lot of their stuff and no-one ever accused them of being nazis oh wait
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:00 (eleven years ago) link
sorry,, I thought it would be apparent to many here that Slayer is a band who have been known to have troubling problem with nazi iconography. The weird thing to me is that the article doesn't make any mention of the band Slayer.
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:22 (eleven years ago) link
To everyone involved here, Slayer is just "a design", "a motif".
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:24 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be pretty surprised if anyone putting a Slayer logo on a shirt didn't know about their consistent use of Nazi imagery, tbh. The management might not have but the designers of the shirt surely would.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:31 (eleven years ago) link
always felt like that skull was a little too cuet to be effective SS iconography
its expression says it just wants everyone to be cool
― if you are a false nine don't entry (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:48 (eleven years ago) link
heh, now that you mention it, it kinda reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdvAuzIheFU
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 09:00 (eleven years ago) link
Wal-Mart got in trouble a few years back for selling Totenkopf shirts. It was one of the reasons I quit reading The Consumerist. It felt like their day was- Totenkopf shirt at Alexandria, Virginia Wal-Mart (122nd Wal-Mart found to sell shirt)- Cell phone pic shows clearance price tag with a three cent discount- Best Buy asked me to check my receipt when I left the store with a swimming pool-sized TV- Cell phone pic showing a three-pack of peanut butter with a higher per unit price than a single jar of peanut butter- Totenkopf shirt at Lesotho, Ohio Wal-Mart (123rd Wal-Mart found to sell shirt)- Best Buy tried to sell me a bad warranty
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
the wiki page for totenkopf is worth a read
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
btw, Death in June have definitely dealt with a good deal of controversy over their use of Nazi imagery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_June#Controversy . and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think you missed the "oh wait" at the end of NickB's post
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
ah so! sorry nickb, i am overly caffeinated.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
Totenkopfs predate the Nazis, though, right? Weren't they worn by some Prussian cavalry unit back in Frederick the Great's time?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Nazis ruined swastikas for everybody too
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
xp, yes but i think the one Slayer use is specifically an SS variation on the theme.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf
the Wikipedia page specifically mentions Death In June, Laibach and The Melvins, but nothing about Slayer
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
The Melvins def aren't shy with that stuff tho
http://www.popsike.eu/pix/20081202/150313668169.jpg
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/jHNgZ.jpg
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
oh Melvinspaws
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
this is the page you want for the SS totenkopf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
one diff between Slayer's use of fascist iconography & Death In June's is that Slayer's interest probably ends at the water's edge, so to speak. Images that are associated with widespread death & cruelty & horrific human behavior are badass; they have the ability to elicit a reaction just by being there, and that reaction is one of fear & revulsion, and that's wicked. That is a sort of metal mindset. Death In June have an almost identical position backed up by a lot of intellectual foofaraw about symbols & iconography & the distance between artist & narrator, some of which has some pith to it but much of which ends up at "there is something totally wicked about fascist iconography"
imo
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
but most dudes who pretend the resonance they're copping from these symbols isn't largely or wholly due to the symbols having been adopted by the nazis, those dudes are posing. sure boyd, it's just that you find the swastika interesting, has nothing to do with hitler
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
"they're the good swastikas"
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
love you, melvins, but a giant fucking swastika ranks high among the things i do not want on my turntable
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
people finding something interesting/controversial in transgression? well, I never!
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
xpost picture discs sound like shit anyway
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
I have a couple of swastika cufflinks that I found in a theatre drawer. Don't think I would ever wear them, obv.
― windborne grey frogs (dowd), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
The distinction between a "Nazi band" and a "band that has consistently, unapologetically used Nazi themes in their artwork and lyrics because they think it's cool" is sufficiently small for me not to waste much time thinking about.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
Not that i have ever bought the idea that's where Slayer's interest in the far-right ends.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
when i was a young stoner, i had a picture of ron asheton in a nazi uniform on my wall -
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cEScrKlFg24/SWa9--f-4tI/AAAAAAAAALk/RYqQn4i33YM/s400/229715159_l.jpg
- yeah, that one, and an SS totenkopf sticker on my (homemade) bong. the asheton picture came from a copy of metallic K.O. and the sticker came from i dunno where. someone gave it to me, i think. i didn't even know what it meant. can only imagine what people thought...
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:02 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah there's no difference between Quentin Tarantino and Leni Riefenstahl either
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
You don't think spending an entire career doing it puts them on the Riefenstahl end of the spectrum?
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
thoughts on lemmy?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i'd say that it's worth making a considered allowance for bands - like, say, laibach - who consistently and unapologetically use nazi themes in their artwork in order to make interesting art
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
Absolutely, but Laibach parody authoritarianism, they don't fetishise it.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
"laibach and think of slovenia"10 results (0.07 seconds)
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
Detractors have accused Death in June of harboring neo-Nazi sympathies. Pearce has said, "At the start of the eighties, Tony and I were involved in radical left politics and beneath it history students. In search of a political view for the future we came across National Bolshevism which is closely connected with the Sturmabteilung hierarchy. People like Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm who were later known as 'second revolutionaries' attracted our attention."[11] The Sturmabteilung (Stormtroopers) were a paramilitary unit of the Nazi Party (NSDAP), and Strasser and Röhm were Nazi leaders who vyed for Adolf Hitler's power.
Protests have been staged and some performances have been cancelled due to these accusations.[12] Justification for the cancellations stem from strong aversions to the Nazi inspired symbolism of Death in June coupled with an interpretation of select lyrics as containing deliberate Third Reich-era imagery and tropes. When questioned about his interest in the Third Reich, Pearce responded:"I've an interest in all aspects of the Third Reich. It has had such a huge influence on the world, who could fail to be intrigued by it? However, I've still read more pages of Das Kapital than Mein Kampf!"[13]
lol, paging jonah goldberg
― goole, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
You'll still find swastikas in Asia
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
Is there a thread where anybody's posting about how butthurt ppl got by Chris Rock's tweet on July 4th?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
what did he say?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
卍
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/07/chris-rock-fires-up-controversy-with-fourth-of-july-tweet/
Chris Rock’s July Fourth tweet has some people in a decidedly un-celebratory mood. On Wednesday, the comedian tweeted, “Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren’t free but I’m sure they enjoyed fireworks.”
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/chris-rock-tweet.jpg%3Fw%3D420%26h%3D316people being easily wound up there
I wonder when @chrisrock became so mean-spirited? Or has he always been and I’ve just not noticed. Color means NOTHING to me.”
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
chris rock otm
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, i know i enjoyed the fireworks
On what grounds are people taking offence? That seems like a pretty straight statement of fact.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
who is the deeply stupid person who said this
xp: people are taking offense because they are racists, basically
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
we should just stop now this will only end in an explainer letting us know exactly when fireworks became synonymous with independence day
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
but say if you did want to see some more racist tweets i cant stop you from clicking on this link http://www.egotripland.com/chris-rock-4th-july-twitter
wouldve been a better joke imho if he just left it at 'happy white peoples independence day'
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
aren't you white
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
several religious groups straight up replaced the swastika with different symbols iirc (which makes it extremely annoying when dumb teenagers get it tattooed on themselves bc OPEN YOUR MIND MAN IT HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANING MAN)
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
teenagers all talk like 70s stoners imo
color means nothing to me xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
buddhism has def not abandoned the swastika
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
On what grounds are people taking offence?
When you see the pious, reverential way that Bachmann et al treat the 'founding fathers', largely as a way to 'prove' the providential nature of this republic, you'll understand that anything less than wholehaearted hagiographic treatment of the revoltionary period and its actors is 'hating America' regardless of the fact that the American Revolution was a disaster for Blacks and Indians and it certainly doesn't help that Jefferson's hugest blunder in the Declaration of Independence was accusing the Crown of:
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
But, nonetheless, God was guiding our deist forefather (who, incidentally defaced the New Testament).
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
@chrisrockEli Whitney invented the cotton gin so we didn’t need your lazy asses anymore.Still don’t.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of respect Buddhists for not replacing the swastika. It's a calm way of saying that Hitler doesn't get to win.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
@chrisrockEli Whitney invented the cotton gin so we didn’t need your lazy asses anymore.
Obv someone who dozed through his HS history class. If anything, the cotton gin made slavery more lucrative.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
you dipshits have a whole month!
Are we sure some of those aren't just straight-up, adolescent wind-up trolling?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
are we sure we need to repost these here?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:47 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hindus too
hitler, nazis, etc just didnt have as big an impact in asia and arent nearly the cultural touchstone they are in the west is a big part of it imho - but also ya these symbols arent something its considered that you just go changing all willy nilly
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I can't quite bring myself to admire the Swastika Laundry of Ballsbridge, Dublin for not abandoning the name /logo until the 1980s though.
http://i.imgur.com/3AiyP.jpg
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I don't really want to read these (xposts)
can we just terminate every multicellular life form and start anew?
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
Not at all, but I genuinely get confused sometimes when I read stupid shit on the net and wonder and it is the thread...
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
ShariVari is that at all related to a certain nat'l loathing for the British?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
omg @ Swastika Laundry, how entirely unfortunate
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_Laundry
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
xxp I don't think so. They were founded in 1912 and apparently just didn't feel the need to change it.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
thank you based laundry
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
or, well, on second thought, no thanks
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
"Mom, I got a job!""That's great, honey! Where?""Swastika Laundry!""... o rly"
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
chris rock tweet is a+
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Swastika Laundry of Ballsbridge, Dublin
this is really a joyce injoke or a morrissey b-side or something right
― goole, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
SSteam Kleaning for all your delicate whites
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
"Mom, I got a job!""That's great, honey! Where?""Swastika Laundry!""... o rly""U MAD?"
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
to get real about the chris rock tweet; i believe celebrating july 4 was considered a lynch-worthy social offense for southern black people until shockingly recently -- it was explicitly a white-person's freedom holiday
(but i'd need to comb through my ta-nehisi coates rss feed to verify this, lol)
― goole, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
I keep reading Swastika Laundry to the tune of Waterloo Sunset.
― pplains, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
the tweet is so simple and beautiful because it's so by-the-numbers Chris Rock but every response says much more about the responder than him
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
I wash my whites at Swastika Laundry but they won't let me wash a colored load :(
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
I foolishly tried to confirm the Independence Day lynching practice and now I just hate white people
is that racist?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, July 6, 2012 4:10 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its really not simple or beautiful, note the unnecessary exposition in the middle necessitating the middling punchline at the end - not his best work imho!!
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
how quickly will I get punched if next year I wish everyone I meet "Happy Cracker Day!"
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
In 1939, the laundry changed its name to "The Swastika Laundry (1912)"[3] to make clear the distinction between its use of the name and the symbol and the recent adoption of the symbol by the National Socialist (Nazi) Party in Germany.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
happy white pople day is clearer imho, like id prob just be thinking abt snack crackers trying to figure out wtf you were talking abt
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
xp: basically, they added the founding year to make it clear that they were around for 20+ years before the Nazis and had nothing to do with them
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
I'll be honest about July 4th. For many years I have given more thought to the fall of Vicksburg and Lee's retreat than the DOI.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
oh I see I just glossed right over the (1912) part xp
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
happy white ilxors day, lag∞n
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I looked it up and apparently all year was lynching day.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
This reminds me of being asked on the street outside the laundromat if I washed my whites with my colors.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, July 6, 2012 4:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omg is that today! *launches fireworks*
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
my post was longer but I trimmed it according to your guidelines
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
darn white of you
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
here's the coates post i was remembering -- he doesn't give many details
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/01/patriotism/252062/
here's the book he's talking about
http://www.randomhouse.com/book/91623/the-persistence-of-the-color-line-by-randall-kennedy
― goole, Friday, 6 July 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
ha, my wife tried to hook RK up with a friend-of-a-friend who is 21 years younger than him; shockingly she didn't go for it
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:42 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark
it's key to note that most of the buddhist swastikas go the other direction
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
this is sort of like an asian red cross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Swastika_Society
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
ooh TNC, points off for "less" instead of "lest"
thus ends the content-free contributions of DJP
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
in this day and age, the swastika laundry co. would have sued the arses off the nazis for copyright infringement and hitler would have been all damn son and probably would have had to adopt a little picture of a penguin or something instead
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
then Munsingwear would have had a go
(yes I know the timeline is off)
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
Btw, I'm still chuckling about goole's Morrissey b-side comment upthread
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
google munsingwear find a lot of tightie whities :(
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Man, reading about the Swastika just reminds me what a second-rate aesthete Hitler was.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
in re: founding fathers worship I got into it briefly w/some dude on Twitter talking about how much the founding fathers sacrificed. I sent him a link I got from Davey D about how George Washington pulled his slaves' teeth to use for his own
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
in fairness that was a sacrifice because those slaves could no longer chew his food for him
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
if somebody called me a cracker i think i would find that more funny than offensive.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
I got called a cracker at a gas station once. (I may have even posted about it here.) I was more bemused than anything.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Getting called a "cracker" by an angry dude at a gas station: C/D?
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
its illustrative of the nature of the american racial dynamic that theres really not any name you can call a white person thatll make them feel bad abt being white
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
"hipster" duh
― some dude, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
racist and/or oppressor seem to do pretty wellunless you're being racist or oppressive and then it's all high-fives and bottle openers
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
lol no
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
just imagining someone calling someone else oppressor
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
to be fair, forks attended PCU
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
racist is dece but it only works in the context of doing something that could be construed as racist, if youre just standing there waiting to cross the street and someone calls you racist youd just be like huh what
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
tbf you r wearing an offensive tshirt tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if I could sell bumper stickers that said "my other car is racist"
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
if you've never been labeled the oppressor, you've never really been to college imo
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
is your other car a VW?
― pplains, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
imagine the gas station cracker story ending with dude saying "Fuck you, you racist"much more effective
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's a Ford Porch Monkey
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
I should probably feel much, much worse about that joke than I do
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
^^ afraid to laugh at that joke
― MacArthur Parkour (Phil D.), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
you should be afraid not to, cracker
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
hahahahaha
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
omg djp that is a fucking intense lol of horror, A+
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
"fucking intense lol of horror" would be a cool 77 thraed
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of went to a bad place on this thread today
I blame C++
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
and Ted Nugent
same old strawmen
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
In 1939, the laundry changed its name to "The Swastika Laundry (1912) after a visitor from the future explained Wikipedia naming terminology to them
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 July 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
true story, i had searched for the word "cracker" to see where the discussion of that word started itt, and then i had that ctrf+f still open on my browser when i clicked over to a tab where i'd been looking at an old blog entry, and learned that i'd referred to Stargate as "Norwegian crackers"
― some dude, Friday, 6 July 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/7TQQK.jpg
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
lefsa isn't like crackers, it's more like a tortilla but sweeter. you put butter and brown sugar in in and roll it up.
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
PARIS, July 6 (Reuters) - Female French footballers are still precluded from wearing headscarves even though world soccer's rule-makers lifted the ban on the hijab this week.The French Football Federation (FFF) said in a statement on Friday that it had to "respect the constitutional and legal principles of secularism which prevail in our country and which feature in our statutes."In these circumstances (the FFF) does not authorise female players to wear headscarves."
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
are you guys debating whether nazis are racist?
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
no, crackers
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thevichygovernment.com/res/cds/rubbish_full.jpg
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
ok, fine xp
http://i.imgur.com/E6nvB.jpg
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/LXSfP.jpg
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
MOT SMERTER!
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
dayo your dismissive "ok, fine" is hurtful towards my Norwegian heritage and, therefore, racist ;_;
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
norwegian crackers are dangerously flaky
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
Jeg beklager, her la oss ha en fred cracker ^_^
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Friday, 6 July 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
for real lolz at Stargate as "Norwegian Crackers"
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17sbe76ewwo75jpg/original.jpg
(Via.)
― MacArthur Parkour (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
all this white girls not racist
― the late great, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
disclaimer: this is Utah
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
when you are it you will shit bricks
― the late great, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
gah "when you see it"
fuck iphone
― the late great, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
When you are it you will ask "what? there's women, there's color, what?"
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ASgAQ2KipIE/T_J35N8szGI/AAAAAAAARAw/rUFDxAbwCJY/s1600/3.jpg
― the late great, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/9Q6HD.gif
― du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
That gif just sucked away most of my will to live
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
This should get you all the way to suicide, then.
http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2011/01/bristol.gif
― MacArthur Parkour (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
Flag waving's kind of a thing in her family, tho
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
You know what I love as an antidote to racism and people saying stupid shit is yoisthisracist.com. Did ilx do that already? Sometimes shit is way less complicated than I think and I like to be reminded and put back int the right head space.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
it's 100% definitely been bigged up on ilx, 95% probably itt
― if you are a false nine don't entry (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
takes way too long for me to show all msgs now though
― if you are a false nine don't entry (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
i like yo is this racist mostly but i always want to write him really long emails when he answers questions about religion
― max, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
one time i did write him a long tumblr question when he answered something about female circumcision and he responded to me personally but didnt publish it
that is a topic more suited for a site called "is this fucked up?" imo
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
His tone irks but he's usually right
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
I think his tone is joyous. It brings me joy.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
john terry
― deems irreverent (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.morganspier.com/events-details.php?day=1343620800
Is this racist? Its this great new spot that opened up in Philly with great DJs and a great chef doing the food, etc, and they have a night called Jamaican Soul where they play roots, reggae, and Jamaican soul, and they also just started doing nightly food specials and that night it was $10 for really quality jerk chicken, fries, and fried plantains (and also a craft beer, whoo Philly)
Got into an argument with my boyf who says the name Jamaican Soul is racist, and that the whole thing fetishistic, and the idea of having a food special that correlates culturally w a DJ night is way problematic and wrong. I disagreed bcz from my (somewhat limited) understanding of Jamaican food/music, it seemed fairly authentic and not caricaturey (e.g. like tropical cocktails and Bob Marley and paper Jamaican flags everywhere and fake dreads) and they weren't billing it as like !!JAMAICA NIGHT!!, and it seems equally problematic to say "you cannot play music and serve food w the same cultural influence w/o it being racist"
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:27 (eleven years ago) link
it's only racist if they play "Dreadlock Holiday"
― sorry i'm tumblr white (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
is the name supposed to be a play on "piers morgan," cuz if so, that's definitely racist
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
No it's not, it's just a dumb name. They do tons of different things (Todd Terry, Alan Braxe, The Juan Maclean, etc)
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
true story, my dad (among other ventures) opened a nightclub in the late 90s, there was a weekly r&b / hip-hop night and he actually thought it was a good idea to sell fried chicken and cornbread on that night. which was definitely racist (sorry, dad).
BUT re: your question, I don't think attempted authenticity is prophylactic against racism, i can see how it might play as a kind of ethnic tourism. i don't think the food / music pairing is not necessarily offensive but maybe promoting it as an 'authentic' 'Jamaican Soul' experience is maybe pandering to a sense of exoticism that's a little icky -- especially if there are no jamaicans involved (are there?)
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
Playing Julian / Damian Marley: Not racistZiggy / Stephen Marley: BorderlineAnyone w/out a career outside the Melody Makers: GTFO
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure why calling a night of reggae Jamaican Soul is racist. Jamaican Soul is a musical reference, no? At worst, the food special is maybe a bit tacky.
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
uhh this all depends how it's done
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
tbh I am more interested in learning more about DJs Bloodfaceman and Browner Jeff
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
This!
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
^ elmo's post all otm, & the rnb/friend chicken analogy is troubling, but fwiw/for me, i would find it frustrating if the worth of the night was eclipsed by some of the baggage that any kind of venture like that is going to have. like i think a well-meaning thing that gives some kind of presence to jamaican culture, whether or not it's compromised in terms of authenticity or articulacy, is really valuable, partly as an amenity for the town & partly as at least some however imperfect representation of the wider world. you know? like yeah there are gonna be degrees of how to do it right and yeah it's gonna have to confront & hopefully avoid issues of stereotyping, but i hope there's some ground between the extremes of 'not engaging for fear of trespassing' & 'trashy cultural-tourism/theme nights'. i don't think the concept of pairing food & music is inherently troubling to me, but then i guess i could be proved wrong depending on what the pairing is, again cf cornbread or w/e (vague memories of ten thousand GOP CONGRESSMAN HOSTS THEMED BARBECUE- stories surfacing in my head as i type)
― blossom smulch (schlump), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
xp Oh yeah, totally, but there's too little info on the website to be able to judge either way in advance. If it promised an "authentic" Jamaican experience and had a picture of Bob Marley smoking a spliff and a tagline in patois then that would be different. Maybe Stevie D's boyf had a tip-off that it's going to be full of white frat boys saying "yah mon".
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
like, if you show me a picture of them and they look like Diplo and Switch, I may be agreeing with your b/f
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
Facebook stalking suggests Browner Jeff isn't a white guy, fwiw.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
haha I didn't think he would be, I was just saying
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
"ladies and gentlemen, please welcome: DJ BROWNER JEFF!"
http://www.ring-rap.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Jeff-Hardy1.jpg
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
Local reggae DJ Whiter Jeff is getting _no_ work since that guy turned up :(
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
but anyway, to make this thread less like a scene from Airplane! I think you can't just call the mere existence of this night racist; it's entirely dependent on how it's done, as others have said
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
Looking forward to the electronica and brautwurst night featuring Brauner Jeff.
― pplains, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
You know there are white jamaicans, Indian Jamaicans, Chinese Jamaicans, right?
Also, paramount to me is that the chicken is good, the plantain not too soggy and the whole event not just be some Red Stripe promotion thing.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
originally thought you wrote "I think you can't just call the mere existence of the night racist" and i was trying to figure out what you meant by defending the nighttime from charges of racism xxp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
so by this logic, there wouldn't be anything weird/off about a white Jamaican calling himself Browner Jeff because he's Jamaican?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Wd be great & smart to have someone who is actually Jamaican consulting on this? Ime people who love and collect Jamaican music will have made friends w people from Jamaica, will have collaborated on things w them, will have been to Jamaica in search of records/history--generally are respectful of this thing that they love and benefit from but aren't the inheritors of.
Also if Jamaicans are involved then it can have the angle of being "the sounds and tastes of home" for ex-pats instead of straight tourism for outsiders.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
i am reminded suddenly of this hilarious old thread: Generic Rap Song
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure the involvement of Jamaicans made a lot of the stuff surrounding Major Lazer less offensive but, in general, having some level of understanding of the culture beyond the cliches is definitely pretty important in getting a night like this right.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
The chicken was amazing, the plantains were really thin and crisp on the outside but still a bit chewy, and it was in no way promoted as some sort of "authentic Jamaican experience". TBH you wouldn't have even known there was a food special if you hasn't sat down at a table to order food (it's a venue w a bar and dance floor too)
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I am cool with Browner Jeff being called such if there's another dude named Jeff who is lighter
I approve of this night only because I like the idea of being able to go somewhere and eat plantains
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
It wasn't like reheated frozen patties or some shit. Also I think I heard Sister Nancy at some point
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
but still a bit chewy
I've only had them a few times but isn't that, well, basically plantains?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
Is it Ok for white people to call 50 Cent "Fiddy"
― calum-y maybe (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
ok folx i have one i'm genuinely on the fence about
there's a queer-friendly event/club night that happens here occasionally called "Grown and Sexy". it's mostly a DJ thing but i guess there's other stuff like queer burlesque and maybe bands, idk
http://www.citypages.com/2011-12-28/calendar/grown-and-sexy-new-year-s-eve/http://www.citypages.com/slideshow/grown-and-sexy-37131923/
anyway, i've always understood that term to be in reference to black-oriented events pitched at an older audience. dress codes, no rap, that kind of thing.
so... appropriation? or not? Is This Racist?
― du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
/but still a bit chewy/I've only had them a few times but isn't that, well, basically plantains?
Well I mean they were sliced super-thin and could have been fried til crispy but they weren't, idk all the plantains I've had have been large plantain chunks like tostones and not house-made plantain chips.
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
a browner shade of jeff
i don't think usage of "grown and sexy" is racist
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
idk it just seemed... rude to me.
like if some indie bicycle bacon bring-your-dog event was called "off the chain" or something. yes, haha.
― du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
brown n sexy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't shaved for a long time and someone called me chocolate jesus (I have v long hair), it made me p uncomfortable for whatever reason, but I was able to say "more like, chocolate lazy"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
i assume chocolate jesus would be hollow inside
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
props to SD's abdul ref btw
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
reach out and eat me.
― pplains, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
cool thx 4 that
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
it'll be playing in my fuckin head all day now
this doesn't scan as racist to me
besides isn't like half of reggae african cultural tourism anyway?
― the late great, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
wait, me? What?
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
he means my display name
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
like if some indie bicycle bacon bring-your-dog event was called "off the chain" or something
this doesn't raise any alarms for me, tbh. dumb, but not something i'd consider having concerned words over.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 12 July 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah goole you might be overthinking that one a bit, unless it was packaged in like gothic script and "urban" stylings. basic ppl say 'off the chain' now, calling an imaginary (but v v possible esp in mpls) event maybe racist is a little hand-wringy.
if anything such an event would be ageist because no one my age thinks anything is off anything else unless it's a hook
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
off tm
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ ageist
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
i think she was making an 'on the money' joke
― straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
By "my age" do you mean your distinguished colleagues of my approximate years, or tiny tiny babies?
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
Remember I am very old.
idiom is cyclical, the decrepit are almost always the mothers of youthful invention, i look forward to the day when my brood gathers about my knee all babbling "cool beans!"
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
nb i have never uttered the phrase 'cool beans' and may god strike me down the day that happens
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
I caught myself using "hella" yesterday.
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
lol at Laurel being "very old"
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Thursday, 12 July 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
I think I have blouses that are older than most of the women on ILX.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 12 July 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
who among us does not say off the chain?????
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Thursday, 12 July 2012 07:57 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think i've ever heard anyone say that phrase unironically
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEO805O76qM
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
To be safe, I never utter anything unironically
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 12 July 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
This week's neo-fascist bloopers summer special:
Plan B in Skrewdriver t-shirt blunder, oops that's embarrassing:http://thequietus.com/articles/09423-plan-b-apology-for-skrewdriver-t-shirt-misunderstanding
Opera singer withdraws from Bayreuth festival due to having a swastika tattooed on his chest wtf:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/22/russian-singer-quits-bayreuth-festival
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
So that opera singer changes his chest tat from this:
http://static.blogo.it/soundsblog/nikitin_evgeny-400x300-432x324.jpg
...to this:
http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/nikitin-27562424-mbqf-25247682/2,h=493.bild.jpg
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:10 (eleven years ago) link
What I haven't seen commented on is the fact that he still plainly has the Algis rune on his chest, hello:http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/neo_nazi_life_rune.asp
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Monday, 23 July 2012 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
I was gonna say!
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 11:31 (eleven years ago) link
nazis stole all the best symbols : (
― how's life, Monday, 23 July 2012 11:46 (eleven years ago) link
a white rapper actually wearing a white-power T-shirt in public is like a Paris song coming to life
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 July 2012 12:57 (eleven years ago) link
The shirt's image is from a photograph in one of those SKINHEAD CULTURE straight-ups books (not Nick Knight's SKINHEAD but similar) - it's not a Skr3wdriver tee. Subject is standing in front of a wall with the band's name graffiti-scrawled upon it.
Still, an avoidable shitstorm because that's not immediately obvious and it appears nobody involved knew the reference, anyway: I probably would've asked the stylist to change shirts to have a few looks for the shoot... and then winnow out the offensive shirt when choosing the images for the feature. Dumb, dumb Shortlist fashion department. Dumb, dumb Plan B - when musicians dress for a shoot, it's important for them to remember that an exchange of views about wardrobe choices with everyone who sees an image in a magazine is impossible.
― higgs' besom (suzy), Monday, 23 July 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of can't get over the fact that dude calls himself Plan B tbh
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
it's because he is taken orally after unprotected sex
― contenderizer, Monday, 23 July 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
iirc this book is about race war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_B_(novel)
― bamcquern, Monday, 23 July 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
odds of a skinhead being a chester himes fan probably pretty low tho
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 July 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
This just in: Plan B is not a skinhead, not wearing a white power t-shirt.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 July 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
xp no just a coincidence
― bamcquern, Monday, 23 July 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
The Yevgeny Nikitin is a little more complex. I work in opera; one of the singers in the current Bayreuth production of Holländer is a good friend of mine (I have not discussed this incident with him -- they are in full-on "save the production" mode with another singer), and other friends of mine have worked with him. When a gay person of color who I know to be an intense anti-fascist tells me "Yevgeny is no Nazi", I believe it. The tattoos were a dumb-ass youthful decision that he does not want to remove -- he covered the Swastika and keeps the rune (which was also widely reported in the German press) because it has more contemporary non-Nazi meaning.
What's insane about this is that it's the Bild newspaper -- the Daily Mail of Germany -- that started this story, and that he left after intense pressure from the Wagner family and Foundation. I have heard from good insider sources that several family members remain, erm, true believers, and I know that other folks in the Wagner Foundation are big ol' Nazis. Saw a concertante performance of a Wagner opera in honor of a board member recently (outside of Germany, it must be said); in the audience was a young man wearing an outfit based on a stylized SS uniform, and he was not wearing it ironically and he was greeted warmly by the guest of honor. The Wagner scene in German-speaking Europe has some pretty fucking creepy elements that get most obvious in Switzerland.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 23 July 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
That is really interesting; I figured there had to be a lot more to the story because I find it really hard to imagine that a dude covered in racist tattoos would be able to get a lot of contemporary opera work
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
(although I am not finding the more contemporary non-Nazi meaning for that rune very easily)
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, new age and pagan types use the rune. More than those types use the swastika, too.
One reason he gets gigs is that he's pretty good; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrdhb6z9ushe also has excellent stage presence, which is (unfortunately) more important in the German-speaking opera world.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 23 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah he is good, I'll be over here silently hating on him
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Monday, 23 July 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
Opera nazis, who knew
(not meant ironically)
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, new age and pagan types use the rune.
The quickest way to ruin your argument imo
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
goes for Wagner too obv
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
Just reporting, haven't met or worked with the guy. I generally trust my friend's judgement, though. Have met (in Europe) other ex-boneheads who didn't get rid of their tattoos.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 06:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2012/07/interview-gunplay-speaks-on-drugs-swastikas-and-his-deal-with-def-jam.html/2
http://cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gunplay2.jpg
The swastika tattoo is a big controversial topic amongst your fans as well as critics. Can you clear the air on that?
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
that's some crazy ass shit
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
dumbass
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
aaron mcgruder character
― Mordy, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
lol, otm
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder what the tattoo artist who did that design for him was thinking during the process
probably "when is Ashton Kutcher going to jump out at me"
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
kinda can't help but lol at a black man with a swastika tattooed on him sorry
― giallo shots (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/26/london-2012-greek-upset-racism-ban
― skrill xx (cozen), Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:03 (eleven years ago) link
I don't even get the joke!
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
It was poorly formed.
― how's life, Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
Mosquitos have west nile virus.The nile is a river in africa.Therefore, mosquitos are african.African people immigrate to greece.Therefore, when mosquitos bite the african immigrants, they are eating food from their homeland.
― how's life, Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:22 (eleven years ago) link
You have to make a triple-jump of humour to understand that. And then it turns out to be shit and racist.
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
there's been a lot of west nile virus in greece this year apparently, and lots of immigration
― skrill xx (cozen), Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
Who the fuck wants to immigrate to greece these days?
― how's life, Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
If how's life's explanation makes sense, it's not racist just profoundly stupid.
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
Triple jump's a pretty weird game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NKWhEl_V0
― how's life, Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
whole thing reminds me of the richard riordan thing where profoundly stupid people trying to be funny just SAY THINGS. And they don't make a whole lot of sense but ruin their lives anyway
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/0m0ug5/riordans-stupid-dirty-girl
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 26 July 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
"So, I'm just gonna say some stuff now... ALL THE MAYANS WOULD HAVE DIED OF AIDS IN 2012 BECAUSE THEY ATE SO MANY PAPAYAS... OK, so anyway, here's why I'd be qualified for that job..."
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 26 July 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
Black man having a swastika tattoo marginally less absurd than a Russian with same, tbh.
― Bananaman Begins, Thursday, 26 July 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
Well, "Black Hitler" was a disappointing GIS though I'm not sure why I was expecting something better.
― pplains, Thursday, 26 July 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
I came to hitler that motherfucker is my new catch phrase
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 July 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
mass murder the bullshitwhiney, I did the whole "this isn't a racist joke" thing upthread already
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 July 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.savethepearls.com/
This book is trying to be the next Hunger Games. O_o
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
coulda gone with obsidian and ivory but no, coal and pearl
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
WHAT THE FUCK
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
you see, in the future white people will need to mate to be "protected" dan. it's documented fact
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCKITY FUCK IS THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
I SWEAR TO GOD I'M GONNA CUT SOMEBODY
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
can't tell wtf is going on but yeah i'm p sure this is racist
― goole, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
In a post-apocalyptic world where resistance to an overheated environment defines class and beauty, Eden Newman’s white skin brands her as a member of the lowest class, a weak and ugly Pearl. The clock is ticking: if Eden doesn’t mate before her eighteenth birthday, she’ll be left outside to die.If only a dark-skinned Coal from the ruling class would pick up her mate option, she’d be safe. But no matter how much Eden darkens her skin and hair, she’s still a Pearl, still ugly-cursed with a tragically low mate-rate of 15%.Just maybe one Coal sees the real Eden and will save her-she has begun secretly dating her handsome co-worker Jamal. But when Eden unwittingly compromises her father’s secret biological experiment, she is thrown into the eye of a storm-and the remaining patch of rainforest, a strange and dangerous land.Eden must fight to save her father, who may be humanity’s last hope, while standing up to a powerful beast-man she believes is her enemy, despite her overwhelming attraction to him. To survive, Eden must change-but only if she can redefine her ideas of beauty-and of true love.Acclaimed writer VICTORIA FOYT blends equal parts suspense and philosophy, adventure and romance, in this captivating dystopian novel set in a terrifying future, which is all too easy to imagine.The first installment in the Save the Pearls series of fantasy romance novels, Revealing Eden recently won the 2012 Eric Hoffer Award in the Young Adult Category, the Best YA Fantasy Award from Books & Authors, and was runner up in the 2012 Los Angeles Book Festival!
If only a dark-skinned Coal from the ruling class would pick up her mate option, she’d be safe. But no matter how much Eden darkens her skin and hair, she’s still a Pearl, still ugly-cursed with a tragically low mate-rate of 15%.
Just maybe one Coal sees the real Eden and will save her-she has begun secretly dating her handsome co-worker Jamal. But when Eden unwittingly compromises her father’s secret biological experiment, she is thrown into the eye of a storm-and the remaining patch of rainforest, a strange and dangerous land.
Eden must fight to save her father, who may be humanity’s last hope, while standing up to a powerful beast-man she believes is her enemy, despite her overwhelming attraction to him. To survive, Eden must change-but only if she can redefine her ideas of beauty-and of true love.
Acclaimed writer VICTORIA FOYT blends equal parts suspense and philosophy, adventure and romance, in this captivating dystopian novel set in a terrifying future, which is all too easy to imagine.
The first installment in the Save the Pearls series of fantasy romance novels, Revealing Eden recently won the 2012 Eric Hoffer Award in the Young Adult Category, the Best YA Fantasy Award from Books & Authors, and was runner up in the 2012 Los Angeles Book Festival!
― how's life, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
What are Pearls and Coals?Pearls is the term used to describe the lowest class of humans, the race with the least amount of melanin in their skin, and therefore, most susceptible to The Heat. Pearls are found on the lowest position of the Beauty Map and are deemed the least attractive. Coals are the exact opposite—as the ruling class, they are the most attractive, if not beautiful, with their stunningly dark skin that carries the greatest possible amount of melanin. Their skin protects them from The Heat and makes them the strongest, most powerful race alive.What is The Heat?The Heat is caused by deadly, toxic levels of solar radiation. Its effects are horrific, resulting in a painful, tortuous death—imagine burning alive, from the inside out, for a week or two. The majority of Pearls are unable to step outside without contracting The Heat, whereas the Coals are protected from the sun’s radiation by the higher amounts of melanin in their skin.Regardless, some lighter-skinned Coals still catch The Heat, so most of their population only ventures outside at night, when the effects of radiation are at its lowest. Some Pearls—especially those fairest in complexion, are never able to step outdoors.What are symptoms of The Heat?The most obvious symptoms are patches of sunburned skin and a feeling of extreme dehydration. Early symptoms of contraction include glassy eyes that appear wild and anxious, as well as papery, red-tinged skin. Once The Heat is contracted, the victim will live another week or two before succumbing.Most organizations regularly check all of their employees, using state-of-the-art laser technology to examine individuals for diseased moles or other signs of The Heat.Why are the Pearls in danger?The Pearls are a nearly extinct population. Their extremely fair skin makes them susceptible to the To Heat, and therefore, they must remain indoors at all times. If they must go outside, it can only be done at night, and such outings require several layers Midnight Luster, dark coatings of a functional makeup formula that creates an extremely dark skin color to serve as a buffer to the Heat. This also helps Pearls achieve a higher ranking on the Beauty Map, making them more attractive to the opposite sex.In addition, Pearls have to worry about the Federation of Free People (FFP), a militant organization of Coals that has vowed to rid the planet of Pearls.Why are Pearls so desperate to mate?The Uni-Gov requires all females to find a mate by their 18th birthday, and males by their 24th birthday. By age 17, women are considered middle-aged and their mate rating decreases exponentially with each week that passes. If their mate deadline passes and no on picks up their mate option, then that person is eliminated. No one is really sure what happens or where they go, the only certain thing is that they disappear. Rumors about what happens to these unlucky Pearls are rampant and terrible—it is best to not spread these atrocious rumors any further so that a panic is not incited. When Pearls do mate, note that they are only allowed to bear one child. This keeps the race in the vulnerable state of near extinction.
What is The Heat?
The Heat is caused by deadly, toxic levels of solar radiation. Its effects are horrific, resulting in a painful, tortuous death—imagine burning alive, from the inside out, for a week or two. The majority of Pearls are unable to step outside without contracting The Heat, whereas the Coals are protected from the sun’s radiation by the higher amounts of melanin in their skin.
Regardless, some lighter-skinned Coals still catch The Heat, so most of their population only ventures outside at night, when the effects of radiation are at its lowest. Some Pearls—especially those fairest in complexion, are never able to step outdoors.
What are symptoms of The Heat?
The most obvious symptoms are patches of sunburned skin and a feeling of extreme dehydration. Early symptoms of contraction include glassy eyes that appear wild and anxious, as well as papery, red-tinged skin. Once The Heat is contracted, the victim will live another week or two before succumbing.
Most organizations regularly check all of their employees, using state-of-the-art laser technology to examine individuals for diseased moles or other signs of The Heat.
Why are the Pearls in danger?
The Pearls are a nearly extinct population. Their extremely fair skin makes them susceptible to the To Heat, and therefore, they must remain indoors at all times. If they must go outside, it can only be done at night, and such outings require several layers Midnight Luster, dark coatings of a functional makeup formula that creates an extremely dark skin color to serve as a buffer to the Heat. This also helps Pearls achieve a higher ranking on the Beauty Map, making them more attractive to the opposite sex.
In addition, Pearls have to worry about the Federation of Free People (FFP), a militant organization of Coals that has vowed to rid the planet of Pearls.
Why are Pearls so desperate to mate?
The Uni-Gov requires all females to find a mate by their 18th birthday, and males by their 24th birthday. By age 17, women are considered middle-aged and their mate rating decreases exponentially with each week that passes. If their mate deadline passes and no on picks up their mate option, then that person is eliminated. No one is really sure what happens or where they go, the only certain thing is that they disappear. Rumors about what happens to these unlucky Pearls are rampant and terrible—it is best to not spread these atrocious rumors any further so that a panic is not incited. When Pearls do mate, note that they are only allowed to bear one child. This keeps the race in the vulnerable state of near extinction.
just a teen-targeted dystopian book series about a group of militant black people enforcing a tyrannical dictatorship that forces white people toward a "vulnerable state of near extinction", no agenda here.
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
in the future, people disappear after they're past prime mating age and no one is really sure what happensit is a mystery
This is the part that gets to me, how could anyone look at this and think it is anything but garbage?
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
What in the actual fuck? Is there not someone anywhere in that person's life who was like, "this is not a good idea"?
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Acclaimed writer VICTORIA FOYT blends equal parts suspense and philosophy, adventure and romance, in this captivating dystopian novel set in a terrifying future, which is all too easy to imagine, if you're a huge creep.
― goole, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
midnight luster = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAztPZBQrrU
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
Victoria Foyt is an American author, novelist, screenwriter and actor. Her debut novel, The Virtual Life of Lexie Diamond, is a coming-of-age mystery thriller geared toward the young adult audience. The well-received novel was published in 2007 by HarperCollins Publishing and was recommended by The Center for Children's Books. Foyt co-wrote and starred in four critically acclaimed feature films, Going Shopping (2005), Déjà Vu (1997), Last Summer in the Hamptons (1995), and Babyfever (1994) with her husband, indie film director Henry Jaglom.
!!!!!!
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
"I've got to save myself... and my dog Austin too"
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
Ugh.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
what the shit
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi413532441/
― goole, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
Otherwise, I'm happily surprised to say there has been not a blip of protest.
Fucking hell.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
So what does the lack of any racial outrage or puzzlement or fervor amidst the tremendous rain of positive reviews possibly say?
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
I was wishing and hoping and praying there would be a backlash to the twist on racial issues I present in my new Young Adult novel, Save The Pearls, Part One, Revealing Eden.
― goole, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
She uses the term "white race" and refers to a white-black relationship as "Beauty and the Beast" all while patting herself on the back for being race-blind. Smdh
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Conceivably, if the book had not reached the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists, perhaps there might be some backlash.
― pplains, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
omg that trailer
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Conceivably, if the book had not reached the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists, perhaps there might be some backlash. The first young African American reader who responded to me loved the book. But then, she's the kind of free spirit who would eschew limiting herself to a single category.
― how's life, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,
Does she mean that in this oh-so colorblind world that it's just a community of readers without any racial designation or that there is no longer a community of African-American readers?
Because, I'll tell you which meaning comes across much faster in the context of the rest of the article...
― pplains, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
i think usage of the phrase "lack of any racial outrage" should likely be embargoed until The Heat is actually the leading cause of death among young adult authors
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
This says a lot about how terrible the "book review blogging community" is if no one even batted an eyebrow at this trash.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Some folks might call it an interracial relationship. I calls it more something like "Beauty & The Beast". There, that's much better, right?
― pplains, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
i had an awesome idea: what if black people were REVERSE VAMPIRES? omg, i'm gonna get a movie deal so fucken fast
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
The first young African American reader who responded to me loved the book. But then, she's the kind of free spirit who would eschew limiting herself to a single category.
Racial puppetry in HuffPost troll pieces.
― Bananaman Begins, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
truly, the internet is unanimous in approval of this bookhttp://www.tumblr.com/tagged/save-the-pearls
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
christine brooke-rose wrote a novel about an oppressed white population in post-nuclear war africa. it was actually quite a good novel.
― thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
god is this going to take off
― goole, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Revealing-Eden-Save-Pearls-Part/dp/0983650322lol, keep scrolling past the sales info to get to the actual reviews
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
the internet seems to have discovered this over the past day or two, I think it's going to take off into the garbage
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
Still, 31 5-star ratings versus 10 1-star ratings. smdh
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
read a few of those ratings, they are cousins and agents
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
the arms of a powerful beast-man she believes is her enemy
― Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
the African-American community of readers, if such a category still exists,
I can't parse this, I'm trying to be compassionate toward this woman's stupidity but it's impossible
― Ówen P., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
if i change my DN to Coal Porker have i crossed a line?
― Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
if this series becomes successful, I seriously give up
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
I do have great love for the tumblr post that read "If you want a vision of the future, imagine boot polish on a human face. Forever."
But yeah obviously fuck this shit.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 July 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
white women in peril, dystopian YA sci-fi edition
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
If this seriously does take off and become "a thing" I'm pretty much going to throw my arms up in the air and go live in a cave.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
Like the rest of the pearls, gotcha.
― pplains, Friday, 27 July 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
lol well played
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
this is the most horrific thing
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 27 July 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
this is just some ignore-able self-published junk, right? hopefully not the next 50 shades of grey
― Nhex, Friday, 27 July 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
hey guys is this racist
http://www.fox19.com/story/19125864/black-wedding-banned-by-baptist-church
― it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 27 July 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
dunno this seems like some boneheaded provocative "I went there!" attempt to teach kids about racism by flipping the script or something? nb I have not read anything other than this thread
xp holy what
― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, 27 July 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
Church officials say they welcome any race into their congregation. They now plan to hold internal meetings on how to move forward, should this situation occur again.
― it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 27 July 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
Tiger’s-Eyes, or Latinos, usually rate above Ambers, or Asians, in the future race wars. White-skinned Pearls offer little resistance to The Heat, and therefore, are at the bottom. Only a Cotton, or Albino, would be lower.
^^real
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
StP will be the most lucrative film franchise ever and by 2075 everyone will call latinos "tiger eyes"
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
dear god "cottons"
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
racism is over
whew
― catbus otm (gbx), Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/White_Mans_Burden.jpg
― omar little, Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:49 (eleven years ago) link
Our extensive background in the world of independent filmmaking gives us a fresh outlook on marketing our books. We have many resources for creating video book trailers and viral campaigns, coupled with expertise in marketing, public relations and social media strategy, that results in the unrivalled execution of book launches.
from the publisher website, sanddollarpress. This appears to be the only book they are involved with. It has taken seven months, but it has finally gone viral.
The protagonist of her earlier novel, written for News Corp., was described as "a teen as appealing as Holden Caufield" in one of the six reviews obtained by Amazon. (amazon, I'm dreaming of a series of teen dystopias about some big tiger-eyed bitches oppressing some normalish dudes)
― warren harding (Zachary Taylor), Saturday, 28 July 2012 06:13 (eleven years ago) link
I assume the thought process behind the book was "how can i rip off Noughts & Crosses and Hunger Games at the same time?" rather than any deliberate racism but it sounds like it has been done so ineptly it can't help but come across as enormously offensive.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Saturday, 28 July 2012 06:47 (eleven years ago) link
honestly at first i gave her benefit of the doubt and assumed she wanted to show how ~absurd~ racism is by trying to get white ppl to relate (still completely racist) but after reading more i'm 100% convinced she's angry about reverse racism
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 28 July 2012 06:54 (eleven years ago) link
^^ "by" meant "and trying to get white ppl..."
You might be right. It does sound like it has just taken the central theme of Noughts & Crosses (black ppl, or "crosses", oppress white ppl, or "noughts") and combined it with the survivalism of Hunger Games in an attempt to cash in but there could be a more sinister motive.
Noughts & Crosses is explicitly aimed at getting kids to think about racism from an alternative perspective and change their own assumptions / behaviours. However badly this has been written, and whatever motivation the author has, i assume the success of Malorie Blackman's series would have at least influenced the way this one was received.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Saturday, 28 July 2012 07:08 (eleven years ago) link
Imo this book is about a bunch of weird racial issues the author has. Im not even going to get into the interracial relationship part, but the white supremacist fear of what poc would do in retaliation for their oppression if white privelege disappeared is a long-running theme in white supremacist thought. I mean, its the basic driving force in conservative immigration policy right?
― mind your business lady (D-40), Saturday, 28 July 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
cannot believe this book is real.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 28 July 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
i didn't know about Noughts and Crosses either
― Nhex, Saturday, 28 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
please tell me the awards this foyt lady has won for these novels are basically you nominate yourself and you win awards. i can't stop thinking about these books and kids actually being encouraged to read them.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 28 July 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
oh, wait, is she a self-publisher?
― horseshoe, Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
noughts and crosses is some UK thing, right? I don't think it's a us book.
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2012/07/31/01016-20120731ARTFIG00471-animateurs-suspendus-pour-avoir-jeune-colere-du-cfcm.php
Four Muslim summer camp workers have been suspended (w/pay) from a camp in Gennevilliers (just north of Paris) for observing Ramadan and not eating or drinking during the day. They claim they specifically did it to open a debate on the subject. Three years ago a Muslim woman working at the camp was involved in a bad car accident that injured some campers including a child. The suspended workers' CDDs (Fixed Term Contracts) specifically state that they must be "properly" fed and hydrated so as to be able to watch over their charges. The mayor of the town, interestingly, is communist. The CFCM, the French national Muslim association, has announced it's going to sue on the grounds of discrimination.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
france
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
How laconic
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
Three years ago a Muslim woman working at the camp who was fasting for Ramadan was involved in a bad car accident that injured some campers including a child.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
France is so fucking racist
― where can i get a mcdonalds quesadilla tho (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
b-b-but they love Miles Davis
― mind your business lady (D-40), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
― giallo pudding pops (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
all their anti-muslim shit is deplorable
france, like pretty much any country, has a lot of shitty racist tendencies and laws but this case...i dunno. looks like they're willfully breaking their contract and they're being suspended WITH PAY so...
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
i think being properly fed and hydrated is such basic common sense in regards to child care that it shouldn't even have to be a written requirement. can imagine these cranky, dizzy counselors marching a bunch of kids around in the sun all day.
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 09:48 (eleven years ago) link
what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 09:52 (eleven years ago) link
are there a lot of communists in france? seems a weird thing to be.
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 09:54 (eleven years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 10:17 (eleven years ago) link
Four facilitators have been suspended after the visit of an official of the City Hall in a holiday centre in the city to Port of Albret (Landes) on July 20, the first day of ramadan. They had to leave the next day but their wages continued to be paid. The Town Hall had hired them in CSD for a stay in Port, in the Landes, started on 5 July.
It appears to be a city-run camp.
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
Nurses, doctors, etc, etc who happen to be Muslim seem to manage. It sounds like the contract has been specifically designed to stop them fasting. That would need some serious justification.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 10:48 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, being a doctor or a nurse is nowhere near as physically active as being a camp counselor.
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
Ha! Tell that to a nurse. Some (not all) pro athletes fast. Working at a day camp might be tough but there are any number of physically challenging jobs that people manage fine with. Unless there's a really strong reason for prohibiting it, it's difficult to see a justification.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
its well known that all muslim countries shut down all camps schools and daycare during ramadan
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:48 (eleven years ago) link
one big reason why muslims have never run a successful civilization is that theyve always been too tired to have successful daycamps
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
I thought muslim countries for the most part shut down during Ramadan. You're supposed to pray all day, right? Guess that's not fully the case? Still, it's the kind of thing where as someone in charge of a child, you should be able to take care of yourself to make sure that you're able to respond optimally to whatever situation may arise.
http://tapestryofgrace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/oxygen-mask.jpg
― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
theres a famous verse in the koran -- "No matter what, you have to fast, dawn till dusk. Literally, no exceptions."
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
you can fast while taking care of kids fwiw
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
no... pretty sure you cant
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
― how's life, Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:20 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
o rly
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
every year in muslims countries thousands of childrens die at the hands of fasting caretakers
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
ortho jewish day camps pretty much shut down all activities during the two summer fast days - u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, france has kind of a pattern when it comes to this kind of thing...hard to take the camp at its word.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think it's inconceivable that a person might be rendered incapable of working during ramadan, but most muslims who fast, especially in non-muslims countries, work for a month fasting every year. you get used to it.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast
i thought eating before swimming was dangerous
― ledge, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like it would be really hard to know if the fasting woman got in a car accident because she was fasting or just because people get into car accidents sometimes. i would be interested in hearing more details about that. i have driven while fasting so many times y'all.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
but were you driving fast?
― ledge, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
*rimshot*
― Nhex, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
this is straying from the point but the hardest thing about ramadan as an adult is caffeine restriction if you're an addict like me. the no food from dawn to dusk thing is cake in comparison.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
Coffee cake?
― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
I just watched a biking documentary where one guy in the desert made breakfast like this: One gas station cherry pie, sprinkled with coffee grounds. That could be you!
― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
also, a dawn to dusk fast is significantly less debilitating than a 24 hour fast
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
i'd be more concerned about the health, esp related to hydration, of anyone fasting while working at a camp than i'd be concerned about the children
to be completely honest, sometimes i have thought ramadan-in-its-full-devotional-dimension is not completely compatible with modern lives/economies. in muslim countries, stuff does tend to shut down during the day during ramadan and sometimes i wonder how that's economically feasible, but i don't know the particulars in much detail. (also the idea of an order where people don't have to work for a month seems kind of awesome to me, but that's neither here nor there.) in non-muslim countries, muslims fast all month and do their work. i used to be one of those muslims and i never had a problem.
xp it's really fine. you hydrate a lot before dawn and when you break you fast at dusk.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
speaking as someone who worked at camps during fast days, even if you hydrate before dawn and after dusk you're still being exposed to very hot weather that really necessitates hydration throughout the day. this is why, i believe, ortho camps do indoor movie watching type stuff on fast days and not regularly scheduled sports/outdoors/swimming/hiking type programming
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i mean, i worked in a camp this summer and it is hard for me to imagine not drinking water all day, but i don't know. maybe this is wack faux-biology on my part, but i feel like fasting for a month, your body kind of re-adjusts and regulates itself differently.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'll admit that I was sorta shocked when I learned that anothe, Muslim, student had scheduled his board exam at the end of Ramadan. Like, dude, it's high summer and you're studying with no brain sugar. But he told me that you just get used to it.
Also loads of ppl in the world do what Muslims do on the reg, without thinking about it: coffee/snack in the morning, skip lunch, go home and eat dinner.
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
my dad has practiced pediatrics his entire professional life fasting during ramadan. will no one think of the misdiagnosed children?
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
kidding! he's not misdiagnosing children, guys, i promise!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
He's not a Catholic trying to keep France 'European'. He's a secularist trying to lessen the influence of religion on public law and behavior. If you know about the Lois Ferry (the Ferry Laws) of 1881 which made education obligatory, free and, in the case of public education, secular, and the firestorm they have always sparked on the French Right, you can see the context here. Communists in France are occasionally demagogues when it comes to race and culture but they're not the FN or the Action française and generally, they predictably downplay traditional culture(s) and identity in preference to class identity.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
They should also bar Type-II diabetics from working in children's camps.
― pplains, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
It's a context that has often made me get in massive arguments with French leftists about what I would call 'First Amendment' rights. Having a rooted national culture in a way that we do not (despite WASP hegemony), one that precedes rational ideology and professes loyalty not so much to ideals as racial, even local custom, and to Catholicism ('The eldest daughter of the Church', Pepin as savior of the Papacy, etc...), secular French leftists are far more suspicious of individual religious autonomy than Americans are. Religion has been a huge thorn in the side of France for centuries.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
What I find interesting about this whole kerfuffle is that the camp workers seem to have provoked the whole thing. It's as if they're saying, "We're here. We're Muslim. Get used to it!"
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
I guess maybe that rhymes in French?
― pplains, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
ban vegans from camp counseling
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
We're talking camp counselors here, right? These Muslims can't be older than 22, right
― Ówen P., Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
There are over 40,000 inhabitants in Gennevilliers and a new mosque, built in 2009.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Is Kia-Ora racist?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB2xYdjt7bE&feature=related
― gygax! II: pornograffitti (admrl), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
or Um Bongo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=wYj5o4kQsXs
where is gygax I
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
I'm in the Congo now and this is bull***t. doesn't exist.
mrbushpilot 6 months ago 24
― Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/06/opinion-why-focus-on-gabby-douglas-hair/?hpt=hp_c2
Not talking about the editorial here but rather its subject, which honestly is reason #1 why I limit my exposure to social media.
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
after training in the humidity of central iowa for so long, I'm amazed she was able to contain her hair at all
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
my friend told me that at least twice this summer her hair has been touched, without her permission, in public
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
I blame Tosh.0
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
otm.0
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
This is me when it comes to discussion about black women and their hair.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/no-words-homer-into-brush.gif
And more because I'm not a woman than because I'm not black.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
I watched Gabby get interviewed last night. Her hair looked fine to me, though I wasn't paying attention to it really.
I was more in shock that this young women was born after the Oklahoma City bombing and then the joints in my knees started to hurt.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
Well that's the stupid thing; people were criticizing how her hair looked on the podium after she'd spent the evening competing in the all-around. The only way her hair was going to look immaculate after all of that is if it had been tightly braided.
But, more to the point, SHE JUST WON THE ALL-AROUND MEDAL, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TUT-TUTTING OVER HER HAIR
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone mentioned the monkey ad that ran after Bob Costa's little soliloquy on race?
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
That… could have been thought out a bit more.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
In the middle of a discussion abt Epcot's World Showcase and it's reductiveness and how it is obv problematic in many ways but is it totally 100% awful or is there some redeeming quality in attempting to expose youngsters to the world outside of America?
― the mandy moorhols (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
I am a white Irish man living in England and own a rubber duck dressed as a hasidic jew but I bought it at the holocaust memorial in berlin. Well?
― straightola, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
I mean yes, when you take cultures and reduce them to a theme park attraction it is like the very definition of cultural tourism/fetishization, and in a way it's saying "We don't want the real modern/current/authentic France or Japan or China or Mexico, we want this really romantic and idealized version that is prob stuck in the past" but idk in my experience visiting it seemed to scratch a bit deeper than the surface and isn't as caricaturey as one might imagine, and the idea of "Hey kids, other cultures/things exist too!" seems less than totally insidious to me.
― the mandy moorhols (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
But it does seem like a not completely inauthentic representation of the histories of cultures (in lieu of what is current and modern)
I got this phat-ass sombrero at the Mexico pavillion
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
I am a white Irish man living in England and own a rubber duck dressed as a hasidic jew but my girlfriend bought it at the holocaust memorial in berlin, so really I have no public comment on this.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
Does the duck swim in a quackvah?
― pplains, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
wheres the thread to post things that are obviously racist?
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://i45.tinypic.com/10dy0pd.jpg
― starfish succulents (unregistered), Monday, 13 August 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
xp to djp
Because why not: Roger Fidelity's own election day thread, one to the public
― pplains, Monday, 13 August 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
That Jewish duck is awesome.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
Posts that effortlessly etc
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCN6dyjAvEc
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
britishist maybe
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah maybeWHAT IS HE SAYING LOLOLOLOLOLum, it's pretty clear what he's saying?
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
i've seen american tv shows do that for british white ppl too tho
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
that is totally Britishist
also I cop to watching TMZ but really I just want to punch everyone on that show in the privates
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
the kids are on youtube, they're downloading all the music
what the fuck doesn't TMZ understand? Plus, I think the "????"s are there to trick you into not hearing the actual normal-assed English words that are coming out of this guys mouth.
― how's life, Friday, 17 August 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
normal-arsed iirc
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
sounds pretty clear to me, but i am british?
― if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little (stevie), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
all of those white dudes are douches though, that's pretty obvious.
― if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little (stevie), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
don't forget the black dude with dreads
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
i'll never forget how funny it was the first time i saw a liam gallagher tv interview w/ subtitles
― uncleshavedlongneck (some dude), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
Sunny got on to me for watching The Young Ones with subtitles. Like I'm supposed to know what the hell a bilo is.
― pplains, Friday, 17 August 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
shit i'd actually looked away from the vid by that poin.t "its the same language we speak... its the same language." yes, and that's why the dude was entirely intelligible.
― if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little (stevie), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
Gallagher brother interviews should just be dubbed over with tracks of cats fighting and car crashes and the sounds of bones breaking.
― Pape de père en fils; pornocracie (Michael White), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
pplains, that reminds me of the difference I found in the 80's between European countries that watched American shows dubbed and those that watched them subtitled. The subtitlers all spoke far better English than the dubbers.
― Pape de père en fils; pornocracie (Michael White), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
That makes so much sense. Subtitles allow you to get both languages at once and after awhile, it has to meld.
― pplains, Friday, 17 August 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
I definitely now know what a bilo is.
― pplains, Friday, 17 August 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know what a bilo is...
― if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little (stevie), Friday, 17 August 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
anti-apartheid activist?
― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
close, but not quite
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Friday, 17 August 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
it's a pen?
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 August 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
only if you're starring in an old Charlie Chan movie.
― pandemic, Friday, 17 August 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
you meant biro surely pp. (p)rick say "in biro!" on that show iirc. nfi what bilo is aside from an aus supermarket chain.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, 17 August 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe. You'll have to forgive me, British is like a second language.
― pplains, Saturday, 18 August 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
if only there were subtitles you could consult
― ʘ (sic), Saturday, 18 August 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
So this Saving The Pearls piece of crap from upthread continues to have fallout.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Monday, 20 August 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
oof
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
damn. the whole thing just blows my mind. "racism is just as bad when the coals do it. don't you see?!?"
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
if you use the term "reverse racism" you need re-education
― goole, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
is "re-education" code for "punching"
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
I was hoping it was a code for "DJP goes to your house to explain why you are wrong"
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
which, in turn, is code for "punching"
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
you do what you gotta do, man
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
the "coals" vs. "pearls" business is such a dead giveaway.
"uh yeah, despite the fact that the society in question hates white people, they use a word suggesting value and beauty to describe them. why? well just, just ... just because, okay? coincidentally, that's also why they use a word for something dirty and common to describe black people. funny, huh?"
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
Wasn't her reasoning that in her fictional society, pearls were useless whereas coal was useful, so 'coal' was a good thing? Yeaaaaaaaah. Not a stretch at all.
― emil.y, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
the author couldn't metaphor herself out of a bulletproof mercedes with a grocery bag in it
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
― Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
Wasn't her reasoning that in her fictional society, pearls were useless whereas coal was useful, so 'coal' was a good thing?
you mean just like in our present society?
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
like the future world is so lousy with pearls that they become a term of derision
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
"I am sick and tired of these motherfuckin' pearls in this motherfuckin' dystopia!"
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
a pearl is something that forms from being irritated iirc
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
barbara bush will always be the first pearl
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://content6.flixster.com/rtactor/40/34/40344_pro.jpg
http://www.reddstewart.com/minnie_pearl.jpg
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
this book is eventualy going to be a best-seller isn't it
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
Wow. http://weirdtalesmagazine.com/2012/08/20/a-message-from-the-publisher/
I would like to tell our community that Weird Tales will NOT be running an excerpt from Victoria Foyt's novel in our upcoming issue.Marvin Kaye is our editor and has full control over fiction published in the magazine and website, and he agrees with me on this.Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel. He was told that she was being slammed online by people who had not read it.I have not read the novel, but have gone over its online presence today. I have no need to read it. I saw the blackface video and read the excerpts the author and publisher chose to make available. I must conclude that the use of the powerful symbols of white people forced to wear blackface to escape the sun, white women lusting after black "beast men," the "pearls" and "coals," etc., is goddamned ridiculous and offensive. It seems like the work of someone who does not understand the power of what she is playing with.Marvin says if you read the whole book, she explains her use of this imagery, and it ends up as a plea for tolerance. I say, so what. And that is the position of Weird Tales - and upon reviewing the video and other materials, Marvin is in full agreement.I deeply apologize to all who were offended by our association with this book. I am offended by it. I fully respect those who have been writing negative things about us today. You are correct.I have removed Marvin's endorsement because he no longer stands by it. Marvin is traveling and will make his own statement shortly.
Marvin Kaye is our editor and has full control over fiction published in the magazine and website, and he agrees with me on this.
Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel. He was told that she was being slammed online by people who had not read it.
I have not read the novel, but have gone over its online presence today. I have no need to read it. I saw the blackface video and read the excerpts the author and publisher chose to make available. I must conclude that the use of the powerful symbols of white people forced to wear blackface to escape the sun, white women lusting after black "beast men," the "pearls" and "coals," etc., is goddamned ridiculous and offensive. It seems like the work of someone who does not understand the power of what she is playing with.
Marvin says if you read the whole book, she explains her use of this imagery, and it ends up as a plea for tolerance. I say, so what. And that is the position of Weird Tales - and upon reviewing the video and other materials, Marvin is in full agreement.
I deeply apologize to all who were offended by our association with this book. I am offended by it. I fully respect those who have been writing negative things about us today. You are correct.
I have removed Marvin's endorsement because he no longer stands by it. Marvin is traveling and will make his own statement shortly.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
wow is right
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
Somebody's livid at somebody, that's for sure.
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
gotta admit my first impulse is to subscribe
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
i still dont understand why anyone cares about this? is this like the book world V-Nasty?
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
Nobody idiot says something racist, internet explodes
except at the moment isn't it more like, respected science fiction magazine plans to publish racist idiot, science fiction world explodes?
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:29 (eleven years ago) link
uh yeah
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
they didnt though
he wrote a huge missive about why they werent gonna publish an except from some self released book
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but that was after everyone already exploded
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel.
like i should write angry letters about every unsolicited demo i get?
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:32 (eleven years ago) link
All of this would be just another internet firestorm about somebody being an idiot — except that Weird Tales Magazine, one of the most venerable speculative fiction magazines in the world, decided to reprint the first chapter of Saving the Pearls in its next issue. And Weird Tales editor Marvin Kaye, who took over the magazine from the Hugo Award-winning team of Ann VanderMeer and Stephen Segal last year, wrote a blog post defending the book:
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh i see
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah those blue things are links to other websites sometimes w/ more information
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
i read this thing like four times
http://weirdtalesmagazine.com/2012/08/20/a-message-from-the-publisher/
and didnt get the backstory
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh the io9 post detailing the original controversy is in phil d's post upthread
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
I hope you are in a receptive mood. Thanks very much for placing within me the bomb that never stops exploding. Though the benefits have been intangible and in fact I feel that this terrifying mechanism has generally made my life intolerable, I shall never ask you to reverse the situation.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:25 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Eh I think she's actually been published at least as many times as you have and is married to one (1) more famous film director than you are, so "nobody" is being a bit thick here as well.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
the use of "goddamned" in that editor's note cracks me up for some reason
― Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
me too actually, very cranky
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
has Marvin Kaye's followup statement appeared yet
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
My white math teacher says "fo sho" a lot.
― windjamm voyager (blank), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
He really likes Dave Chapelle
― windjamm voyager (blank), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
He has an enormous shoulder chip
― windjamm voyager (blank), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/asian-woman-dating-asian-men-jenny-an
― jack chick-fil-A (dayo), Friday, 31 August 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
Former co-worker tags all of his instagrams taken of his fiancee with #amazingasian. Creeps me out a little, but to each their own.
― pplains, Friday, 31 August 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
That article has no point.
― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Friday, 31 August 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
really just wanna lol at the author
― jack chick-fil-A (dayo), Friday, 31 August 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
xojane is no elite daily anyway
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 31 August 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
wtf with that article
― rayuela, Friday, 31 August 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
*at (not with)
think that the point of the article is that the author is confused, conflicted and self-loathing, but doesn't really care. not much of a point, i grant you...
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 31 August 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, is it trying to normalize asian-american self-loathing? ugh
― Nhex, Friday, 31 August 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ the author
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 31 August 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
on one hand it reads like the ravings of a depressed person, a cry for help. on the other hand she's trying to spin her racism as 'merely feminism', ugh ugh
― nedless summer (Ówen P.), Friday, 31 August 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
great red panda punchlinehttp://www.xojane.com/files/JennyAn3.jpg
― This cad needs a cordial introduction to Eugene of Oxbow. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 September 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
her back-pedaling is also lol
http://twitter.com/jenny_an
'junot diaz-inspired performance art'
― USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Saturday, 1 September 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
that was the most annoying part of her dumb "piece," when she namechecked junot diaz. i was like, i'm preeeeeetty sure this is not what junot diaz was talking about when he said we have to acknowledge the white spremacist within us.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 1 September 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
anyway she's an idiot; asian american dudes doged a bullet
― horseshoe, Saturday, 1 September 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbULBAjstBA
― s.clover, Saturday, 8 September 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
― Nhex, Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure ted is a racist.
― s.clover, Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
or bob even.
http://laist.com/2012/09/12/middle_schooler_booted_from_class.php
― Mordy, Thursday, 13 September 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558245_514703765213483_1661924772_n.jpg
― gesange der yuengling (crüt), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
also for his bad haircut
― max, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
he's missing the frosted tips
― gesange der yuengling (crüt), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://nativeappropriations.blogspot.com/2012/09/paul-frank-offends-every-native-person.html
― joygoat, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Read the follow-up!
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
that is fantastic
― wtf where's my chapbook (DJP), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 03:01 (eleven years ago) link
that's amazing.
― how's life, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
White Republican President Joe Christmas.
― Bananaman Begins, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
the follow-up I meant: http://nativeappropriations.blogspot.com/2012/09/paul-frank-offends-every-native-person.html
president of paul frank industries personally reaches out, apologizes, promises to purge design catalog of anything vaguely looking like this
still, how the living hell did that shit get greenlit to begin with
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
i think you mean this:http://nativeappropriations.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/paul-frank-powwow-party-update-am-i.html
― ledge, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
A shame they had to come up with those designs and throw the party in the first place, but pretty cool for them to take responsibility like that and take actionable steps to improve. A lot more than you'd get from most companies.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol, yes, somehow found the follow-up and then pasted the original
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
oh whoa, that's pretty rad!
― gwenguthrie gwen ross (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
the pieces on hipster headdresses on that blog are p interesting
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
Hey cool, that's like an exemplary way to apologize for anything in life.
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:59 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha i've been reading yo is this racist all day and keep having this thought
― horseshoe, Saturday, 22 September 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Is it racist that 'pee poop patel' has taken over most of my mental cursing since harbl had it as her display name?
― emil.y, Sunday, 23 September 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/398314_487233024629026_1226429939_n.jpg
- nothing to do with grammar- no one spells it like that- prescriptivist assholes: stfubut more importantly- racist?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
I have always hated it when people say "aks" instead of "ask" but in recent years I have heard people say that they do so intentionally because "ask" sounds too much like "ass" and they don't want to curse
this makes me so furious that I don't even know what to do with myself
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
it's a nonstandard pronunciation, but it's just that -- pronunciation, an articulation of sounds. it has jack shit to do with grammar and no business on a "grammar pet peeve" poster but seriously fuck a grammar pet peeve poster.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/africanamerican-neighborhood-terrorized-by-ask-mur,24821/
― goole, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2009/01/added-bonus-irregardless-of-what-you-think-quot-conversate-quot-is-a-word/6549/
TNC: What fuels the notion that certain words aren't really words?JS: There a lot of different things. People feel that there is a certain kind of language that's appropriate and a certain type that isn't appropriate. And these judgments are based on many things--some may make sense, some might not. People take these things very seriously. People are told things about the language in school that are demonstrably untrue, and they think anyone who doesn't follow along with those beliefs is stupid or wrong.Let me give you an example, in terms of looking at things historically. At the beginning of this conversation you pronounced the word "ask" as "aks." This is something that people often object to. People say it's the wrong pronunciation, and it's stupid. But if you look at the history of the English language, you can't tell if the correct pronunciation is "aks" or "ask." The "aks" pronunciation goes back 1000 years. It's in Beowulf. It's in Chaucer. What happened was both were in use. But at some point, the dialect in which the "ask" pronunciation was used became dominant. But both continued and have been in use since then. When you look at America, the "aks" pronunciation is widespread in Southern American English. African-Americans used this because they were in the South--it's not especially African-American, but its Southern.Now, if you look at other Germanic languages, the "correct" pronunciation is, in fact, "ask"--but you can't tell that looking just at English and it ultimately doesn't matter. If I asked you to name the ordinal number between "second" and "fourth" you'd say, what?TNC: Third.JS: Right, third--but the old pronunciation is "thred," it comes from three. But if you were to say thred, you'd be considered a moron--even though it's "correct."
JS: There a lot of different things. People feel that there is a certain kind of language that's appropriate and a certain type that isn't appropriate. And these judgments are based on many things--some may make sense, some might not. People take these things very seriously. People are told things about the language in school that are demonstrably untrue, and they think anyone who doesn't follow along with those beliefs is stupid or wrong.
Let me give you an example, in terms of looking at things historically. At the beginning of this conversation you pronounced the word "ask" as "aks." This is something that people often object to. People say it's the wrong pronunciation, and it's stupid. But if you look at the history of the English language, you can't tell if the correct pronunciation is "aks" or "ask." The "aks" pronunciation goes back 1000 years. It's in Beowulf. It's in Chaucer.
What happened was both were in use. But at some point, the dialect in which the "ask" pronunciation was used became dominant. But both continued and have been in use since then. When you look at America, the "aks" pronunciation is widespread in Southern American English. African-Americans used this because they were in the South--it's not especially African-American, but its Southern.
Now, if you look at other Germanic languages, the "correct" pronunciation is, in fact, "ask"--but you can't tell that looking just at English and it ultimately doesn't matter. If I asked you to name the ordinal number between "second" and "fourth" you'd say, what?
TNC: Third.
JS: Right, third--but the old pronunciation is "thred," it comes from three. But if you were to say thred, you'd be considered a moron--even though it's "correct."
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
Sheidlower seems cool
― Number None, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
He's totally cool.
But again, this is (1) not a grammar error and (2) not even technically an error and (3) never used in writing ANYWAY
So, again, is it racist?
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
just be safe and say yes
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
- " So then my manager had the nerve to axe me if I was going to stay late to work on the papers he could've given me a week ago!"
- "It's 'ask', by the way, but go on."
- "Oh, I'm sorry. Did they not include Beowulf in your high school curriculum?"
― pplains, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
racists are lower in the food chain than prescriptivist grammar pedants, but a combination of the two really makes me see red
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
'Aks' - thought it had a class rather than a race element eg. bridge'n'tunnel/Working Girl typing pool; there's also a Jennifer Belle novel where the protagonist needs a job, winds up selling real estate in NYC and knows she has ~crossed the great divide~ when she catches herself saying 'aks' to a client.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
grammar nazi
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
word supremacist
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
yes its racist
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
it's racist but also like, something more than racism
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
it transcends racism
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's post-racist
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
It's new RacismPLUS (tm)
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
with a brand new whitening formula
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Just put this together, but bond trader slang for things you really want to buy/sell is an "axe" and people will have lists of "axes." It's got to be because this is simply easier to pronounce and remember (and sounds a bit more macho than?) "asks".
― s.clover, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
Just axe the Askis.He knows everything man.
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
that unspeakable curse-syllable, "ass"
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
Thank you for reminding me that the business-speak people in my office sum up problem-solving meetings by saying, "So what's our ask?" to mean, What requests do we have as a result of this discussion?
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
In the (frankly batshit) conversation where the cursing thing came up, J pointedly asked the dude who said this nonsense, "When you have a headache, do you aks if anyone has any apsirin?"
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
<3 <3 J
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:19 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there are studies to be done about the correlation imo
― zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
but yeah criticizing AAVE for being AAVE is racist and particularly creepy when it's presented as like, librarian porn
― zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
and my favorite thing about futurama was how they use axe instead of ask, just as a way to deal with a thousand years of language change
― zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
oh god why am i reading the comments to the ta-nehisi interview
― zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
― zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:54 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:55 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
i mean right?!?!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
I think I've mentioned this before, but years ago I was looking at a copy of an old Finnish newspaper from the beginning of the 20th century, and it had a list of the short movies a local movie theatre was showing, and apparently back then most movies had really descriptive titles, as the names of the movies were basically summaries of their plot. Anyway, one of the movies advertised was an American short called...
Negroes Being Chased by Ghosts While Stealing Melons!!
It's amazing how they managed to fit three different racist stereotypes into the title alone! I wonder what the actual movie was like?
― Tuomas, Monday, 1 October 2012 08:26 (eleven years ago) link
Sort of mumblecore avant-la-lettre sounds like.
― Bananaman Begins, Monday, 1 October 2012 08:53 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure that film is The Watermelon Patch. From one of the reviews: "In The Watermelon Patch, some black men steal watermelons. They're chased by two white men dressed in skeleton costumes, who were pretending to be scarecrows." There were quite a few racist watermelon films back then, though.
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 1 October 2012 09:19 (eleven years ago) link
That's my next band named, then.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 1 October 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.defunkd.com/product/FA1344384051/vintage-1980s-op-ocean-pacific-snowboarding-white-t-shirt
― slugbuggy, Monday, 1 October 2012 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
That plot summary on imdb.com is certainly restrained:
Several men slip into a watermelon patch, intending to carry some of them off. They are surprised and pursued by two other men who had been hiding, but they still manage to get several melons. Soon the men and their families are enjoying themselves, but meanwhile others are trying to trace the missing watermelons.
Runtime: 11 mins.
― pplains, Monday, 1 October 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.defunkd.com/product/FA1344384051/vintage-1980s-op-ocean-pacific-snowboarding-white-t-shirt― slugbuggy, Monday, 1 October 2012 10:35 (6 hours ago) Permalink
I doubt this had any racist intent behind it, although you could certainly read one in (i.e., guess who mainly snowboards: white people of the same ilk who fled cities)
― has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
that's kind of a stretch.
― goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
Several men slip into a watermelon patch, intending to carry some of them off. They are surprised and pursued by two other men who had been hiding, but they still manage to get several melons. Soon the men and their families are enjoying themselves, but meanwhile others are trying to trace the missing watermelons.Runtime: 11 mins.
Leaning towards yes.
― Bananaman Begins, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
So now you're dipping into silent films from the 1900s to look for racism? Jeez do we have to debate the merits of Bosko cartoons next?
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
White people sure were uptight about their watermelons back in the day.
― pplains, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-eitsutpOc
― the physical impossibility of sb in the mind of someone fping (silby), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
^ not an "is this racist?", just apposite to the discussion
We already have a Tim & Eric thread, btw.
― pplains, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm not reaching for some subtext like "hey wite ppl, let's hit the slopes; there's like one black family out here, at most." i'm just wtfing at the literal text and the blithely ham-fisted attempt to get it to suggest something like "grabbing some big air in the snow" or whatnot when the original denotation of "white flight" is just hanging out there.
also that board has no bindings he's gonna bite it hard when he tries to stick the landing.
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 08:37 (eleven years ago) link
x-posts
http://www.white-power.de/
Go ahead. Click. You'll be surprised.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 09:23 (eleven years ago) link
Here's the story, as I understand it: there was a Dutch motorcycle tuner who was either a big ol' racist or a HAW HAW RACISM IS FUNNY asshole who started a company and called it White Power. The parts are very good, as it turns out, and the tuner gets rid of some of the Nazi iconography in their logos and comes up with a bullshit cover story for the company name (the parts were always colored white, so they said they named the company after the color of the parts). He sells the company and technology to KTM, who immediately renames it WP technology, although European motorcyclists still call the parts White Power parts. This German website is, I think, a fake distributor and only exists to get German skins &qu✧✧✧@white-po✧✧✧.d✧" e-mail addresses. Cute, huh?
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 09:37 (eleven years ago) link
in the UK there are a number of brands of strong flavourless cider which essentially exist purely to serve the needs of alcoholics and they have names which make them sound like NS skinhead bands such as
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/25445_366571540305_4220065_a.jpg
and http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqwmfwR5BS1qa6qi7o1_500.jpg
and my personal favourite http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E-4q3Rqk0-w/TneisWDey9I/AAAAAAAAAIs/2mLO0sEKso8/s320/31012010245.jpg
years ago my friend swore he saw one called WHITE POWER but not sure my credulity stretches that far
― please do not post on reddit as reusal often offends (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
first one is legit frightening
― goole, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
This one's an interesting one.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/rowling-book-faces-backlash-in-india-over-sikh-slur-20121003-26yxx.html
So Rowling's new "adult" novel has loads of nasty characters in it, but:
The Casual Vacancy, released last week, has sparked criticism from readers taking exception to passages about a character named Sukhvinder, a surgeon's daughter who is teased about her looks and is described as a "hairy man-woman" and "mustachioed yet large-mammaried".
Now, my assmption (not having read the book) is the descriptions therein are from a bullying character in the novel, and not her personally saying she thinks that of Sikh women.
Seems obvious to me. Is it racist to have racist characters in a novel? Shirly not?
― frances boredom coconut (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 10:27 (eleven years ago) link
White Storm / White Strike both knock-offs of White Lightning, which has since been discontinued.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 10:55 (eleven years ago) link
Lots of Sikhs in the novel, which I have not read, but have read this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/oct/02/sikh-protests-jk-rowling-misplaced
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
i was just going to say "maybe jk rowling needs to go to REDDIT for some TOLERANCE" but it seems the internet beat me to it
― Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn7.wn.com/pd/e6/63/30252e21526e2ffaa85e1f5bc2d3_grande.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/29/1293645955098/Workers-protest-at-the-He-007.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
No, those are not racist.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
Tread lightly on those bean signs, white people.
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
Did Heinz stop making white beans or something?
― how's life, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
They found out that Lima was in Peru.
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Can't see any way those signs are racist at all, that's from during the pay strike at Heinz in 2010 I think?
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
it's a WHITE STRIKE, good lord.
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
What about the Breaking Bad character "Walter White". That smacks of privelege to me.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, we've already posted that article haven't we?
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
huh. gis for "White Strike" gets nsfw-ish for me on moderate.
― how's life, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
So does "Reagan Gif", which I discovered earlier.
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, we're still doing that. With you now. xxp
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5952341/local-new-york-city-white-lady-wears-afro-wig-takes-photos-with-black-people-becomes-enlightened
― s.clover, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
http://shine.yahoo.com/fashion/gap-pulls-manifest-destiny-t-shirt-gets-history-025900453.html
― NINO CARTER, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
"I first learned of Manifest Destiny in American History in Junior High School. To me it has always meant that one could set goals, work hard, and achieve their dreams."
"Manifest Destiny" actually refers to the mid-19th century mindset that white Americans had a divine obligation to claim as much of the continent as possible for themselves, slaughtering and oppressing native people in the process.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
"Manifest Destiny" actually refers to the mid-19th century mindset that white Americans had a divine obligation to [follow ur dreams]"
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
comment:you said 'holocaust'. you are racist! Oops, I said 'holocaust'. i'm racist too now... :(
now i'm curious what this would look like if the shirt said HOLOCAUST
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m63lNmAAEBc#t=87s
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:39 (eleven years ago) link
OH LOL WHOOPS http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/23/urban-outfitters-under-fire-over-holocaust-t-shirt/
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:40 (eleven years ago) link
Marc McMairy has used the slogan on his own line before, but the added exposure of having it sold in a huge retailer definitely raised enough eyebroes to push the controversy across a certain threshold that he was not able to handle. At the start of the backlash he doubled down and tweeted "MANIFEST DESTINY: SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" because he's even more of an idiot than anyone suspected
I mean if you're looking to prove you're not racist you might want to refrain from coupling a belief of divinely ordained white superiority with fucking Darwinism
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
they really really downplayed the racist aspects of Manifest Destiny in my grade school history classes
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Friday, 19 October 2012 02:33 (eleven years ago) link
Gawd a'mighty! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST isn't even real Darwinism; it's from Herbert Spencer. Charles Darwin was a lot narrower and more specific in his definitions of evolutionary advantage. That's because Darwin was a real scientist, as opposed to Spencer who was a popularizer and a somewhat better-than-average hack.
― Aimless, Friday, 19 October 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
The thought that someone would sell a t-shirt with a slogan used to promote and encourage genocide is just baffling. Everyone involved with the production of that is a supreme asshole.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 October 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
they really really downplayed the racist aspects of everything in my grade school history classes
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
It reminds me of one of the speeches at the H4mmond High '96 graduation. The theme of the speech was that now that we were moving on from high school we couldn't turn back. The speaker illustrated this concept by telling the story about how Hernan Cortes, upon arriving in Mexico, instructed his crew to burn the ships, so they couldn't sail back to Europe. And he made a sort of rallying cry out of this, every few minutes punctuating a point by yelling "BURN THE SHIPS!" To be honest, I think a large part of the audience just didn't get it and was mostly put off by his yelling. But there were definitely those among us who realized the racist connotations of the conquest of the Americas. We had all come up with the guy since elementary school. He was a super-sweet guy and it was apparent that he just hadn't thought the whole thing through. But there you go.
― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:57 (eleven years ago) link
wait how's life were you from md?
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link
did we go to the same HS/did we already have this convo
We had this convo once!
― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:00 (eleven years ago) link
oh damn that was almost exciting
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link
on this very thread!
rolling "Is This Racist?" thread
― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link
anyway yr story is reminding me of henry morgan, who has one of those freakishly long and detailed wikis that i got bored of reading a week ago. captain morgan rum is named after him and their recents ads have all played him out to look like jack sparrow/koolest dude, when actually he was just a privateer who pillaged caribbean islands at the behest of the british government
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:05 (eleven years ago) link
Well, at least they've moved on from "got a little captain in you".
― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:20 (eleven years ago) link
i mean it's obvious mcnairy either didn't have the ability or the inclination to think this all the way through, and given his history of provocative slogans (he's made a bunch of accessories emblazoned with "fuck off" in loopy calligraphic script) he may have even wanted to blindly court a little controversy. but this product was being sold in the Gap & heavily promoted by GQ so it became very public. on the chance that anyone would defend that he was trying to 'reclaim' manifest destiny, as someone is likely to do, they're fucking stupid because it's not his to reclaim.
anyway in light of all this i've decided to stop production on my upcoming line of LEBENSRAUM t-shirts
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
Was that to be a plus-size clothing line? "Finally, a pair of jeans that give me room to live".
― the so-called socialista (dowd), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
guilty lols
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
the designer is not even the only one to blame; someone from either GQ or the Gap should have spotted this and shut it down before it was even made
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5Wo_QpCAAEf1Vz.png
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
this fuckn guyyyyy
is that his new t-shirt?
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
"sorry you were offended" is not an apology, when will people get it
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ "hey, are you from md?" reoccurring on racist thread.
― pplains, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
^^ lives in glass house, btw.
I sort of love this general human sentiment of "if I communicate a message in these words or terms than everyone is going to decode something that aligns EXACTLY w/ what I encoded, which is the only [or most correct] thing to decode, and if ppl decode something else--even if they are a large majority--then they, not I, must have done something wrong in this communication process"
― bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
"and I'm really, really sorry that they decoded this erroneously"
― bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
the intersection of intentional fallacy & white privilege, basically?
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Saturday, 20 October 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
loads of entitlement to say "i have the right to apply these words to my fashion without doing a lick of research outside my own childhood nostalgia and then blame everyone else for knowing what they mean"
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Saturday, 20 October 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfoQBTPY7gk
― slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 October 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
"there were plenty of fights / to win the land rights / but the west was meant to be / it was manifest destiny"
― Chief Queef (stevie), Saturday, 20 October 2012 09:28 (eleven years ago) link
Remember this:
Well now there's this
What's going on with these crazy Germans?
― Ernest Metalchats (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 10:24 (eleven years ago) link
The establishment theaters in Germany don't let anyone onstage who didn't go to a German theater school, pretty much -- as a result, German actors are an insanely homogenous group that includes nearly no one who isn't German and from a German background.
― Three Word Username, Saturday, 20 October 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
love how the excuse in both cases is that they couldn't find an elderly black actor, like they do know young black actors but it would be just preposterous for a young actor to play an old person
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Saturday, 20 October 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKiJMB-C-10
― Three Word Username, Saturday, 20 October 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeesh
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Saturday, 20 October 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I for one am shocked that Germans would do anything racist.
― LaMonte, Saturday, 20 October 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/enhanced-buzz-wide-4311-1350915969-9-650x500.jpghttp://video.joke.co.uk//videos/Products/wide/63433.swf
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
also available: http://www.joke.co.uk/inflatable-king-ding-penis-costume-white~63433/
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
i was a little taken aback until i saw the £ instead of the $ and then it all kinda made sense.
― charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I saw the white version of that in a costume store yesterday
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
also, yes, forks, i'm pretty sure anything involving blackface is racist
― charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
or excuse me, snazaroo brand blackface
the snazaroo threw me
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
what the hell are the batteries for
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Monday, 22 October 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
there's probably a little fan that keeps the costume inflated
― infowars.go.com (los blue jeans), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://pinterest.com/source/stormfront.org/
― sanskrit, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link
ok not clicking that.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
to preemptively defend myself its just a random assortment of mundane images not unlike http://pinterest.com/source/ilxor.com/
i dont know what's weirder, racist women scrapbooking or unaware third parties repinning stuff not knowing where it eventually leads to.
― sanskrit, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
kind of think it's google image search adds, which is one behavior you'd expect on pinterest, not everyone is just cultivating stuff from sites they know
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
the ilxor one is hilariously half the redhead thread (we had one, right?) and the vintage smash one
lol i was like why are there all these redhead pics...
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, kinda hard to figure out which one is ILX and which is the white power board.
― pplains, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Cg2F5.png
― pplains, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://theamericanreader.com/sasha-frere-jones-is-a-white-man
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit, my world has been turned upside down
― d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
i was waiting for a punchline that never came and i am just confused about that now
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
i want to know who jacob savage is. is the first photo of him?
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah specifically i was expecting THAT to be the punchline
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
major lol @ that pic caption
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
earnestpost tho: I never knew
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
i'm wondering what perspective j3ss h4rvell can bring to this as a female music writer.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
i used to think "well who am i to debate indie rock with the leader of the silver jews?" but then I learned the ugly truth: that was David Berman, not Stuart.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
omg that article
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
We just need Dominique Leone to moderate the resultant debate.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
she's french, right? that should make it interesting.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
i think the woman in the pic at the start of the article is who the author THOUGHT sfj was
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
INCEPTION
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l71gaZnYgOU
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
the image is author alice randall. dunno how they picked it -- maybe they just google image searched for 'black lady'? would love that search history.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
also someone should email her and let her know. i'm sure she would be extremely flattered.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
can she summon up the glorious musical heritage of creole new orleans y/n
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
There ain't none Cajunier
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
The Princess and the Frog was about her and Michel Foucault.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
GIS search for "sasha frere jones" reveals black woman as image #6 (beyonce), white women at 11 and 13 (fiona and lana del rey) WHAT IS HE HIDING
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
HIS JUNK
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
you're thinking of shouts and murmurs i think
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
http://ichlugebullets.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/sasha-fierce1.jpg%3Fw%3D268%26h%3D300
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
“You could argue that Dr. Dre and Snoop were the most important pop musicians since Bob Dylan and the Beatles,” Frere-Jones once wrote. You could argue that—if Bob Dylan had been a pop musician to begin with, or if Dr. Dre had released more than a single groundbreaking album during his entire career.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
Sasha Frere-Jones' penis is a white man's penis.
― Miss Anus Regrets (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
You could argue that Jake Delhomme was the most important quarterback since Johnny Unitas.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe chronic 2001 was slighted like that
― d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
wait till this guy gets the kendrick album we'll show him
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
early in my mid-90s trance days, I assumed that
http://www.julieb.net/images/Music/DJ%20Sasha%20large.jpg
might have looked something like
http://djsolano.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/dj_rebecca_saforia.png
― how's life, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
i used to think baseball player michael bourn was white because of matt damon
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know how to break this to everybody, but Eli manning is a white man
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'm flabbergasted by this article tbh
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait for the guy writing about how stunned he is that Ira Glass is a Jew
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
In related news, Kelsey Grammer is also a white man.
― s.clover, Thursday, 25 October 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
Madeleine Albright isn't British
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
i am not even sure if this is racist (first time i have ever said that on this thread) as much as dumb as balls.
― I'M THE ONLY ON (jjjusten), Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
poor balls
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:41 (eleven years ago) link
Sasha Frere-Jones' penis is erect because he's blind.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:43 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit lol
― www.toilet-guru.com (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
tbh I always default to thinking of Sasha as a guy's name, and I always pictured SFJ as a kind of Safran-Foer dude, which as it turns out was kind of in the right ballpark... black woman!? wtf. That has to have been a trolly article having a dig at his writing, right?
― Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Thursday, 25 October 2012 08:42 (eleven years ago) link
Many Americans first exposure to the name Sasha was through Supermodel of the World, which may be where all the confusion stems from.
― how's life, Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
Granted, most Americans don't read Russian literature and therefore don't know it's a unisex diminutive for Alexander/Alexandra (or Natasha, if your name is Sasha Obama).
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:17 (eleven years ago) link
When I was growing up I only knew two Sashas: one was a boy at my school and the other was my friend's cat. My default is to think cat before male or female.
― Sug ban (Nicole), Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
I would probably be more forgiving towards SFJ's writing if he was a cat, that would be adorable.
― Sug ban (Nicole), Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
Would pay hard cash to see an all-white funk band fronted by a cat
― Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
Just as long as it wasn't frigging Jameowquai
― Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
how would you know the cat was white?
― s.clover, Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:17 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's true, although i think in russian it's more commonly a boy's name? i think it's a great name for a dude.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
Male and female Sashas in my college class; guys' names pronounced Sash-a (as in window), women's names pronounced Saaaah-sha.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
why were they screaming, were you throwing them out of windows?
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
sash-a sounds more like a britishism than anything
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
a friend just gave his car a 'typical black female name', i don't know what to think of it.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
"Michelle"?
― pplains, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
Michelle wouldn't be a problem in a french speaking province.It's Mo'Nique. They insist on the apostrophe and use the accent. I was fine with it until I realised it wasn't a particular hommage to Mo'Nique.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
if the naming has more to do with racial caricature than francophone africa than yes, def racist imho
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
the "I was fine with it until" sentence is killing me. good work.
― s.clover, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I get annoyed by people who name their cars, but that's more for the irrational thread than this one.
― pplains, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
Great racist car names corner: in the distant 1980s, a relative's brown Mercedes-Benz 240D, which did 0-60 in about 18 seconds and was named Steppin Fetchit. Took me about a decade to figure out that that was extremely uncool.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Care to explain so we don't all have to wait a decade? I have no idea what that name means.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepin_Fetchit ?
― Mordy, Thursday, 25 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepin_Fetchit
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 25 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
I hope they had personalized plates and frequently broke down in mixed neighborhoods.
― pplains, Thursday, 25 October 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
STPNFCHT
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
If that's irrational, then I don't want to be rational.
― Sug ban (Nicole), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
Here is some Stepin Fetchit. His work has to be seen to be believed; I also think it's worth knowing that this was mainstream Hollywood once up a time, and he became a very rich man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OFvL75Ww0
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
According to Wikipedia, he was the first black millionaire; he also eventually declared bankruptcy with a net worth of less than $200 dollars
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
wikipedia incorrect there, i know ernest hogan was a millionaire well before thathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hogan
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
The Fetchit wiki says first black actor, while Hogan appears to be a song-and-dance entertainer. Maybe they're differentiating that way.
― nickn, Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
surprised we're not talking about Palin's "shuck and jive" comment ITT
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Everyone knows that was racist
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, no question.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Sarah Palin makes me feel ill. She is a creepy, evil person.
I don't know that Sarah Palin necessarily had a racist intent with that! I just think that she is:a. cluelessb. doesn't understand that racism isn't about intent, it's about effect and perceptionc. doesn't get the idea of institutional racism giving her words greater weight and context
but, upon judging her reaction:so this "well, it wasn't racist when.." crap that she's being totally clueless on just leads me to the fact she'll never, ever get b&c so is probably personally racist
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think you need racist 'intent' to actually be racist. like you can be a lot of things despite your intent. 'intent' is an awful big compliment in itself to give to certain people, because sometimes it seems like they don't have intentions at all so much as passing spasms of neural activity that appear purposeful from a distance.
― s.clover, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
racism isn't about intent, it's about effect and perception
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
for all intents (heh) and purposes, her stance is that she doesn't need to watch her language or apologize, so she's pretty much in the "I can say whatever I want" camp
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Sarah Palin is clueless. She does this calculated dog-whistle shit all the time, only this time it's well within human hearing range.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
Probably. I kind of feel that sometimes it's a self-reinforcing thing where every time someone is rebuked for saying something racist that they think is just how normal people speak, they make a point to firm up their language to include more of that shit. Not so much dog whistling as just being an asshole in the attempt to get other assholes to join your side.
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
"I'm not an asshole, I just use old-fashioned folksy language my community uses, just like they used it 50 years ago to oppress black people."
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
I’ve been known to use the phrase most often when chastising my daughter Piper to stop procrastinating and do her homework. As she is part Yup’ik Eskimo, I’m not sure if this term would be deemed offensive when it’s directed at her or if it would be considered benign ... Just to be careful, from now on I’ll avoid using it with Piper, and I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and “when hell freezes over,” as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
we were talking earlier about cases where the word "privilege" is useful
i have been cogitating on that last phrase for a while, not sure if i'm missing some note of racism in it or if that's just the 100% bonkers moment in her response
― j., Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
tbf, Palin probably has the privilege of seeing virtually zero black people in Alaska
― d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
falls into the same crap as that Trump thing imo, definitely racist bullshit
― Nhex, Friday, 26 October 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
Trump, that guy. Pretty sure he's made a net of zero dollars, inflation factored in, from his inheritance. Among other travesties.
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
mh, i disagree. racism isn't just about effect and perception. it is about being a genuinely horrible and prejudiced specimen of humanity who is actually racist and actually discriminates. you just dont have to 'intend' to be that to pull it off.
― s.clover, Friday, 26 October 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
That is what I said! No intent necessary.
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
Your intent means shit when your background is 100% privileged horseshit. You just spew garbage, no intent necessary.
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
look is there any possible way at ALL she would have used that term about a white person? not worth giving her any benefit of the doubt at all.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Friday, 26 October 2012 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
sarah palin is basically an IRL racist non-musically talented versh of a face in the crowd, except her "oops mic is on" moment was resigning as governor.
― sug ones (omar little), Friday, 26 October 2012 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
We're forgetting the gossip about Palin referring to Obama as 'Sambo' during the 2008 primaries? Probably true IMO.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Friday, 26 October 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozajnqh4V8M
I've heard this song for the first time today.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ the idea that sarah palin is not personally racist. i mean, s. clover otm, but still.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
seriously
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
she can be racist and an idiot, come on, guys
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
never attribute to malice what can be explained by idiocy
then again, she's a malicious idiot, I am so on the fence here
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
The way she plays the 'I can't be racist, because I'm married to someone not totally white' card? What a crass bit of whataboutery.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know firsthand, but this Palin's husband's part Eskimo sounds like how everyone around here who has a grandmother who was a quarter Cherokee.
― pplains, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
you too?
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
p. sure you mean inuit, racist
― mookieproof, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
palin thing's like the manifest destiny thing in that, while i can actually believe that sarah palin is uneducated enough to not know what "shuck and jive" means, her reaction to having it explained to her isn't "oh shit i had no idea i'm sorry" but an ultrasarcastic version of "fuck you liberal p.c. police for making a big deal out of something which as far as i can see totally doesn't matter at all, i will not consider the feelings or experiences of others and i certainly will not learn any history, stop telling me i can't say and do whatever i want all the time. next you'll be saying we can't talk about low temperatures amirite haha buymybook."
manifest destiny guy was a designer by profession and not a culture warrior so his version of this was more benignly phrased (who knows what words mean man, i have my own meaning and it resonates with me) which is less obnoxious but not really any better.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
all of that is obv yes racist.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
anyway i liked hill's comeback here a lot: http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/05/26/oreilly-to-marc-lamont-hill-say-youre-a-cocaine/165373
(i guess it'd be better if he didn't laugh as if this was all just friendly japery but whatever it's nervewracking being on tv and coming up w "you look like a cocaine user" in the allotted time is plenty fleetfooted enough)
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
kudos Tesco!https://www.tescoparty.com/FancyDress/Product_Detail.aspx?ProductID=FANC0177
https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC0177_lnk.jpg
https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC1915_lnk.jpg
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
Includes:Two arm cuffs, two ankle cuffs and grass skirt.Excludes:Wig and necklace.
Includes: grass skirtExcludes: the things we added to make it more obviously racist
― oh shawx (onimo), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
many questions are raised by these photos, one of which is "was Rob Brydon really that hard up?"
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
what in the shit
― goatee-framed sphincter-mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I'm just sad there isn't a "this is definitely racist" thread.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
i am genuinely a little surprised that a company the size of Tesco thinks this shit is okay. can see a fairly high profile backlash happening if people pick up on this.
― chow mein kampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
link was taken from a friend's Twitter stream, it's the kind of thing that might "go viral" I suppose, or at least I hope it does.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
does the costume come w/ full body blackface, too?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
this guy's expression is killing me tho, also is he holding a bottle of hot sauce?
FWIW https://twitter.com/neilstewart/status/263691305220202497
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
I'm guessing it's Reggae Reggae Sauce
― oh shawx (onimo), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
think that's a yellow bottle but yeah that's the idea
― chow mein kampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
if ilx had avatars this would be my shit
http://i.imgur.com/ldDsH.png?1
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
Barenaked Lady in racist Halloween costume shockah
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
@neilstewartHey @UKTesco it's unacceptable you're selling racially stereotyped Halloween costumes https://www.tescoparty.com/FancyDress/CostumeThemeListing.aspx?pmo=0&gg=ma&ThemeCode=177&mo=0 … care to comment? #racistTesco
@UKTesco@neilstewart I am sorry, which one do you feel is offensive?
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
was just about to post that! Do they REALLY need me to spell it out? Apparently so...
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
Miley Cyrus dresses as Nicki Minaj for Halloween:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcrpjpVikN1rk5d6vo1_1280.jpg
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
Honestly, if i were to be offended everytime I see a white dude with rastafari/reggae attire, I wouldn't live anymore.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
well but blackface
― goatee-framed sphincter-mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
I saw like three dudes in blackface this morning, no big deal
― d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
were they coalminers?
― pandemic, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
Tesco employees.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
black face? i thought it was just excessive tan. like a tourist or something.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
this is a losing argument at this point but "blackface" is a specific thing and using the term to describe every instance where someone puts on brown makeup (which often can be offensive!) is stupid
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
I think that was just that guy's natural skin color... I mean, if you're going to do blackface the point isn't to look like George Hamilton, rite?
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
in other words, DJP OTM.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
idk man the one with the afro wig and bone necklace is pretty close to blackface, altho i guess they used red lipstick instead of white lipstick. obv i am using the term as shorthand, but yeah, i dont have a better quick term to go with.
― goatee-framed sphincter-mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
i get the criticism tho and accept it, chalk it up to lexical laziness on my part
― goatee-framed sphincter-mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
I had actually forgotten about that one and was looking at the rasta pic so I retract my pedantic bitching
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
we sure do have our pick of ninnies itt don't we
― goole, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
oh no you didn't
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the reggae one is just kinda crappy and off, the restless natives one is next level bottle opener shit.
xpost hahahaaaa
― goatee-framed sphincter-mouth (jjjusten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
;-)
― goole, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
that miley costume is pretty good
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Not entirely sure that rasta guy isn't actually made of leather or beef jerky, I mean
― C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
so....... grantland definitely just awarded first prize in its costume contest (just roll with it) to a group of people in space jam costumes and one is almost definitely in blackface, right?
http://i.imgur.com/bGuGT.png
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/41395/grantland-halloween-costume-contest/?Aera
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
race jam
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/68299_10100453149961367_725600736_n.jpg
― flopson, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
Well, his ear isn't. xp
― pplains, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
flopson idk if "tsetse fly pimp" is racist nec
― goole, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
miley dressing as minaj is racist?
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
ya a bunch of people on fb were freaking out about the photo but i dont think they'd considered that
― flopson, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
neighborhood kid turned up dressed as nicki minaj tonight. wasn't racist tho.
― zvookster, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
tbf, nicki minaj dresses as nicki minaj every day
― d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
I am the female weezy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
chris brown with a late entry!
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/73185911.html
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 01:59 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if he lies awake at night thinking of new ways to be awful.
― Sug ban (Nicole), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
if there is one thing I'm pretty certain Chris Brown doesn't do, it's think
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
first ilx-approved drone strike?
― goole, Thursday, 1 November 2012 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
i think we approved one on grover norquist.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 07:04 (eleven years ago) link
wait maybe that was just me.
here's the young persons' British rock band Your Demise on an average day at the office
http://livethescene.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/your-demise.jpg
and here they are dressed up for yesterday's festivities
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcs2ehWglG1r4nv86o1_500.jpg
― Joanna Motorhead (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:59 (eleven years ago) link
aw, figured somone had bit the carragher bullet
― but with socks instead of football (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 November 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
Drop Dead would not approve of that guy wearing their t-shirt...
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Drop dead can refer to:
* Dropdead, a hardcore punk band of Rhode Island * Drop Dead, a 1984 LP by the hardcore punk band Siege * Drop Dead Clothing, a clothing brand owned by Bring Me the Horizon lead singer Oliver Sykes
― Joanna Motorhead (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 1 November 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
LOL ok NM... I guess I forgot they were called Dropdead.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Thursday, 1 November 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/60DUeV9y5mA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
― Kickboyface, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/60DUeV9y5mA
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ole-students-hold-candlelight-march-counter-anti-obama-demonstration-article-1.1198946
― Knut Horowitz, Able-Bodied Investment Banker and Ladies Man (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 November 2012 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
You can't paint all of Ole Miss with the same brush, but every time something like this comes up, I think back to this paragraph written a few years ago when racism reared its ugly head in Oxford for the 239847th time.
It is not that Ole Miss itself condones this or isn't trying to eliminate it. The chancellor, for example, has asked the band to stop playing "From Dixie With Love" if fans don't stop chanting, "The South will rise again."
They say Ole Miss is "The Harvard of the South". I mean, I'm sure the Chancellor up there has had to deal with the same issues, amirite?
― pplains, Friday, 9 November 2012 03:21 (eleven years ago) link
The entire "hey, I told them not to do that" thing with southern universities is some apply-head-to-desk shit. When my friends were at LSU the administration kept telling people not to bring the little flags to the football games that people saw as team-supporting: purple and gold versions of a confederate flag
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.myspace.com/unclebuck504/photos/30994483
dying here, perfect expression
― d-_-b (mh), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
my high school's mascot was "the rebels" and all our shit had rebel flags on it! i was on the soccer team, and this was v annoying to deal with. when my friends and i protested it we got loads of shit! a pal of mine was slammed between a door+wall repeatedly by the football team. it was a huge hoopla. 10 yrs later they finally re-evaluated it
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
this was all complicated by the fact that our top football rival was a mostly black high school
GO MHS!!!!!!!
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
I never got the UNLV Rebels. Is that supposed to be some sort of Utah Jazz thing?
― pplains, Friday, 9 November 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
my mom's suggestion during that controversy was to just be rebels like marlon brando in the wild one and everyone start wearing leather jackets and caps, soooo embarrassing mom still smdh
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 November 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
rebel without a costume
― crüt, Friday, 9 November 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
lol roxmom
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 November 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
bless her heart
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 November 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
I can't beleive that after all that nonsense was said and done, they came up with the Black Bear mascot.
Like, no, of course I'm not now thinking of Paul Winfield or anyone.
― pplains, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
utah black bears are sooo cute. they are fatter than the ones here
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 November 2012 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
wait we arent talking about utah anymore and possibly never were. ole miss has no claim to black bears imo and have mishandled this situation and indeed all situations
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 November 2012 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
i really do wonder when washington of all places will decide to change their team's name, i mean they changed their nba team from the bullets to the wizards because it was controversial.
― sug ones (omar little), Friday, 9 November 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
i was just talking about that earlier! it fuckin boggles the mind. our nation's capital! i know washington city paper doesnt print the name anymore, maybe other media too
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
tbf dan snyder probably charges them to use the name
― mookieproof, Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
they call them the pigskins, lol
if ole miss is gonna get right with the world they probably need to stop referring to themselves as ole miss while they are at it. im sure thats been covered here
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
should change it to olé miss
― mookieproof, Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
washington city paper conducted a reader poll to rename the team and pigskins won. the washington half smokes did p well as i recall. would become a mega fan and buy all their merch and move to washington if they were actually named that
― flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
olé ms. to be really PC.
― nickn, Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
can never never ever get over the cleveland indians logo
― zvookster, Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
I seem to remember the Washington Dukes (as in Ellington) got a bunch of votes. If a professional sports team had Duke Ellington as their logo, I would do as roxymuzak re: megafandom.
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
When Arkansas State was changing its name from the Indians, there was a lobby for the "Engines", because, you know, Jonesboro is such a train town and has the locomotive engines and whatnot.
And everyone else went Riiiight, that's very clever of you.
― pplains, Saturday, 10 November 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
ha that took me a sec
― goole, Saturday, 10 November 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
gawd
― 乒乓, Saturday, 10 November 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Saturday, 10 November 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
It's so embarrassing but it seems like this whole "maybe we should be sensitive to Native Americans" thing has only hit the mainstream like really recently (like the past couple of years)
― goya cézanne (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
I have been feeling shitty about the Redskins name for over two decades.
― how's life, Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
on the bright side, native americans are the only minority gwen stefani has apologized to, out of the half dozen or so she's dressed up as over the years
― a man d'Balmer (some dude), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe nationally, but every few years it seems like there's a flareup surrounding a high school or college mascot. I remember frequent bullshit around Chief Illiniwek (University of Illinois mascot), all about "No no, the mascot is respecting and honoring Native American tradition!"
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
Same thing with my high school... the Boise Braves. Don't remember the name of the mascot but the school's old gymnasium used to have a mural on the side of it with a "brave" looking tough and holding a tomahawk. It eventually got painted over sometime in the late 90s.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Saturday, 10 November 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
And there's always the "Some teams are called the Vikings, but you don't see any Norwegians protesting!" people. (NB: my high school team was the Vikings)
― nickn, Saturday, 10 November 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
My middle school mascot was the Trojans, but I see it has been renamed the Comets, no doubt due to protest from Turkish-Americans.
― how's life, Saturday, 10 November 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
I was all about doing the tomahawk chop for the Atlanta Braves when I was 6.
― crüt, Saturday, 10 November 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
tom a. hawkchop would be a good name
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Saturday, 10 November 2012 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
for a racist
― Tome Cruise (Matt P), Saturday, 10 November 2012 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah Tomahawk Chop was huge growing up. The Atlanta Braves mascot (Chief Noc-a-Homa) is pretty racist. But i really feel like it's not going away anytime soon cos it's so embedded in the Brave history. And now the Black Lips have a song about him and you see him on stickers at bars and stuff. Hipsters love their kitschy retro Native American racism.
http://bibliothecarianovella.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/chiefnocahoma.jpg
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 11 November 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
Is it racist to wear a traditional Indian saree or sherwani for an engagement photo when not Indian?
― *tera, Sunday, 11 November 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
probably not if your partner is Indian, and you're having an Indian wedding.
― Infamous dickbiscuits (silby), Sunday, 11 November 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
Neither is the case....
― *tera, Monday, 12 November 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
what's the motivation for wearing the sari?
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 12 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
No clue, just seemed odd for a white couple to dress this way for an engagement photo. Friends of friends on FB. Bindis and everything, looks like a poorly casted Bollywood film still.
― *tera, Monday, 12 November 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
i think it's a little weird. when i saw rachel getting married i went through a mini-cycle of irritation, questioning and qualified acceptance about that kind of thing, though. like i could kind of see just taking a magpie approach to wedding customs and admiring the aesthetic of indian wedding clothes and incorporating them in your wedding, if i tilted my head and squinted. like i guess it's still cultural appropriation, but of the banal kind we all participate in daily to some extent--i ended up talking myself into viewing it no differently than my love of mexican food, or something. definitely depends on the execution--no one in the movie affects a comedy accent or anything.
i used to be more militant about this kind of thing (90s gwen stefani bindi shit) (harajuku girl thing is still unacceptable) but i don't know. i'm old and tired.
― horseshoe, Monday, 12 November 2012 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's racist imo
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 12 November 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
We were considering serving indian food at our wedding, is that racist?
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
no that is wise! did i congratulate you, Whiney? congratuations!
― horseshoe, Monday, 12 November 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
why didnt u
and what did u serve instead
― Rachel Howley-Waugh (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks shoe! I'm gonna have a tumblr post with all the wedding deets soon but... I loved the idea of Indian food because all our friends would love it and out parents would hate it hahahah.
We went with comfort food: short ribs, chicken, an squash ravioli
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 01:58 (eleven years ago) link
bindis seal the deal imo
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
whiney's original proposed wedding feast
http://thumbs.ifood.tv/files/images/editor/images/Subway%201(1).jpg
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
the Hare Krsnas catered our wedding. I had family gettin all nervous about it & pissed off too & then at the end of the wedding the pissed off ones personally told me "I have never had better food at a wedding"
the memory of the brahmacaris pulling up near the hall in their van and bringing in the food is very sweet to me it was way cool. The relationship of the Krsnas to Hinduism/Indian culture is problematic I think but the food they make is A+ imo
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
Krsnas do a damn fine meal, I love going to their vegan cafes in Melb.
― Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Monday, 12 November 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://ablwedding.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mick-jagger1.jpg
― buzza, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
Remember way up above in this thread when we were talking about 80s videos that in hindsight were pretty damn insensitive?
Well. I had no idea that all this time, I had been watching the "edited" version of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 04:27 (eleven years ago) link
See and the wierd thing to me is, as a kid in the 80s I would not have blinked an eye at seeing minstrels doing the "sooper dooper!" bit, I dont suspect. I mean they were still showing the B&W minstrel show on TV when I was a kid.
― Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Monday, 12 November 2012 04:41 (eleven years ago) link
Is there anything Americans casually accept that Australians find incredibly offensive?
And I don't mean to imply that blackface isn't offensive to you, if it is. Just that you've got a culture where it's not so much a thing as it is here.
It's like how I'll come across a Confederate flag bumper sticker every once in awhile and think okay, this guy, whatever. But seeing something like that in Greenwich Village would shock the hell out of me.
I went back and watched the U.S. version to see how they took that crap out. It kinda creeps me out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmSqhi5l9_k
See those feet dancing? It's guys in blackface. See that oddly-inserted picture of Gary Cooper? Yeah, it's disguising some guys in blackface. It reminds me of those intense zooms in Fantasia that cover up some more minstrel activity. You'd never know if you didn't know...
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 04:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah it is something that interests me, because yr right, and I'm sure we must have some equivalents here, but shit, I'm racking my brains to think what, though. I know aboriginal people are offended by their dead being shown on TV/in photos, as its a huge cultural no no. Not that average joe whitebread would give a shit about that or know. Dunno if that counts really?
― Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Monday, 12 November 2012 05:02 (eleven years ago) link
fitting, i guess, seeing as berlin's original lyrics were racist
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Monday, 12 November 2012 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
The Aboriginal people... While I was down there years ago, an Aboriginal activist died. He was, from what I could gather, a national hero and had led the fight against Parliament and was on a first-name basis with some of the PMs, past and present.
But here's the thing, I can't tell you who this was because the big long obituary article I read about him never mentioned his name. The story itself included a drawn illustration of a man with his back to the viewer. As a pseudo-journalist, it baffled me.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 05:55 (eleven years ago) link
Would that have been Eddie Mabo at a guess?
― Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Monday, 12 November 2012 06:02 (eleven years ago) link
Very odd if they indeed didnt mention his name.
It would've been someone who died in 2004.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link
It reminded me of that movie they made about the life of Mohammed that never showed the prophet or mentioned his name.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 06:06 (eleven years ago) link
this guy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatjil_Djerrkura
― squozen turnip (onimo), Monday, 12 November 2012 08:43 (eleven years ago) link
Taco is Dutch and his career was based in Germany, so yes the blackface is racist but no not quite in a way English speakers can easily articulate..
― Three Word Username, Monday, 12 November 2012 09:07 (eleven years ago) link
Seem to be an awful lot of comedy Mexicans in British TV ads these days
― Named locally as Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2012 12:14 (eleven years ago) link
There's an exchange program between US and UK ad agencies: British come up with ideas featuring comedy Indians or Pakistanis which are unusable at home, they send them over to the US where that's cool. In exchange, Madison Avenue sends over its best comedy Mexican storyboards.
― Bananaman Begins, Monday, 12 November 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
Globalising racism.
The Official Website of Duke Athletics
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22438&SPID=1832&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205726470&DB_OEM_ID=4200
― Andy K, Monday, 12 November 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
Oh lord
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 12 November 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
If you haven't seen the movie, I highly recommend watching it otaaayyy!
― Andy K, Monday, 12 November 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/200/NB/NBELTDBFFSEJTNT.20120928184002.jpg
Buckwheat, ladies and gentlemen. And she's from near my hometown.
― how's life, Monday, 12 November 2012 13:07 (eleven years ago) link
damn girls name is on the post an everything.
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
That was likely him. The date is accurate.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/orgs/car/images/GDjerrk.gif
He was awesome in Boogie Nights.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
I don't understand what's outrageous about the Duke thing other than that she's young and kind of dumb. Would I need to know something about...the Little Rascals? Or white girls dressing as black artists?
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 12 November 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
I was expecting blackface, tbh
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
are you two posting from australia too?
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
oh, they took the photo down!
ahhh, that explains it. whew!
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
the white girl up above was dressed as Buckwheat and her face was painted like a Spinal Tap album cover
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
all is as expected, continue on as normal
― d-_-b (mh), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
glad the photo was not replaced with a photo of the two coaches dressed as gangnam style
― 乒乓, Monday, 12 November 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
Oh! Haha okay. I am pretty tone deaf so I was like, jfc what am I being an idiot about now??
― purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
Here's the pic.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
Not even a very convincing Buckwheat either.
Are those Deadspin comments or Yahoo! ones?
Al from Kid Kraddick radio show dressed in white face for halloween, did whites make a fuss about it? Hell no...
Just when you thought all the racist, lacrosse-playing shitheads at Duke had penises...
On second thought, after looking at pics of some of the WLAX team, that might still be true.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 November 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
ha i think i'm more genuninely outraged that the little rascals they're imitating (the 'old school classic') is this shitty 90s reboot -
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ0NjUzMTcyNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTY5MzEyMQ@@._V1._SY317_CR9,0,214,317_.jpg
― balls, Monday, 12 November 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
My immediate first thought was "there are college students born in the 90s dressing up as the Little Rascals?"
and then I remembered that movie.
― pplains, Monday, 12 November 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
wait... a little rascals reboot?!?!
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.miltonsbaking.com/assets/Uploads/SQ-View-Larger-Image-web.jpg
― sug ones (omar little), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:39 (eleven years ago) link
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:42 (eleven years ago) link
amazing how widespread that is, but then again washington redskins
― sug ones (omar little), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:46 (eleven years ago) link
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:58 (eleven years ago) link
I never saw race in this but it made my gf feel a little uneasy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIInySnQe4I
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 06:06 (eleven years ago) link
hmm. a legitimate contender for this thread!
― Nhex, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
that is a legitimate contender for this thread
it's also hilarious
fuck
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
When I watched the first season of the Mighty Boosh, I remember feeling pretty uncomfortable watching this bit.
― how's life, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
lol what the fuck is that
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
did anyone ever post the mississippi gary stuff from kith here? i'm too lazy/horrified to read the whole thread.
Like, if I had felt the show was worth sharing with my wife or someone, this bit would have torpedoed that for me.
― how's life, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
ok someone needs to explain to me how an aquatic hermaphrodite in greenface is racist
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
it's racist AND homophobic, man
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
he's old gregg
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
the male-to-female anthropomorphic fish lobby just doesn't have the funds to get their message out the way other special interest groups do
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
rolling "Is This Pescaphobic?" thread
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
the aquatic hermaphrodite look is achieved by painting dude up like an ill golliwog and he's speaking in some variant of an American southern accent
the entire thing is hilarious though
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
in some variant of an American southern accent
That was supposed to be a WHAT?
I thought they were Australian, which really made no sense to me.
― pplains, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
i thought he was supposed to be scottish!
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
it sounded like the child molester from family guy to me
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
No, wait. He sounded like Cleveland.
― pplains, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
he did kinda sound like cleveland.
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
if he was a scotch-australian child-molesting trans fish-man with a vagina.
#highconcept
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
Which makes me think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs43Ug062-Y
I don't really think it's racist because unlike Amos & Andy radio shows, it's not voiced like a stereotype or to portray Cleveland as a buffoon.
But in a way, it's bit like blackface - a white actor behind a black mask.
The biggest thing to take away from this is that James Lipton is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
― pplains, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
I hate Old Gregg, it is the second most unpleasant thing I've ever watched, right after Salad Fingers. Not going to rewatch it to evaluate its racistiness.
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
probably wouldn't be talking about it if it weren't for his lips
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
... and?
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
that's verging on saying "no one would be associating me with neo-Nazis if I didn't keep shouting 'sieg heil!' at people"
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:32 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in at least one of these sketches, mckinney breaks character to talk about how he's a white guy from vermont and feels conflicted about it
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
i'd argue that mississippi gary is more a parody of a blues man character than just a blues man character. so i guess it depends on whether you think the self-awareness negates the potential racism.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:24 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
point was it's very easy for people to avoid this but for some reason the makeup artist had to go w/ the sambo look
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:58 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
doesn't really sound like macfarlane to me
― goole, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
Cleveland is a good comparison point
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
― under minnesota shakedown (mh), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah iirc he does the Mississippi Gary voice but he's not in character/in makeup or referred to by that name
― bish don't kill my bosch (some dude), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
White guy from OTTAWA in the o.g. Canadian versh!
― Faster than food (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
Like, HBO assumed American viewers were too dumb to have heard of Ottawa
― Faster than food (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
owwawhat?
― under minnesota shakedown (mh), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
ottawhat?
you ottawalk to the library and check out a book on canada
― sug ones (omar little), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
dudes i was going from memory, he might not say vermont
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
i couldn't find the televised version of the sketch on youtube, just a more recent live version. it's the one where he injures himself doing the hambone.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
No you're right, he does say Vermont in the American versionxpost
― Faster than food (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&daddr=vermont&saddr=Ottawa&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&dirflg=d&geocode=Ka8TUV-yBc5MMe0V3THhUWqK%3BKf_O2khs3LRMMbRrVDZ0iU0m&ei=jRmkUJnNGquJ0QG404DABg&ved=0CDEQ-A8wAA
― how's life, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
thought ottawa was in vermont.
― pplains, Thursday, 15 November 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://hiremegrantland.com/?p=1446
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
h/t to j0rd
I was already distressed enough that there is a website called "hire me grantland" but this just pushed me over the edge
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
my impression is that everyone she deals with is more racist than she is; she is a weird mix of naive and world-wise
I mean, my sporadic visits to Harlem 16-17 years ago felt exactly how she is describing her neighborhood to be; I just didn't write a breathless piece about how magical it felt
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
I like to pretend we’re Lady Gaga and Usher taking a stroll, just living our lives.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
just living our lives, dude
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno man, there def seemed to be a air of exoticization bordering on fetishim that made the piece super uncomfortable for me; naive, def, and that's why she shouldn't be submitting her piece to 'hiremegrantland.com'
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
The only point where that line was crossed for me was when she was talking about the awesome homeless woman on the street corner as if she was a badass scrunchie she'd picked up at the mall
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
what the fuck is this website
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
that is a great question
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
oh god the comments
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
That’s my girl scout! Living the dream in NYC! I am so happy and proud of you, Ivy
Former Girl Scout leader of Ivy! Barbara!
I guess they have a lot of uppers in Tampa
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
this entire thing
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I mean don't get me wrong, that was a painful article to read, but it was more in the sense of "is she still going to be waxing rhapsodic about her neighborhood if she gets mugged by that homeless woman?" than anything else
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
the sad thing is that for as gross as this piece is, it seems like a pretty garden variety, like, naive white journalism student pitch
i'm more taken aback by the entire existence of "hire me grantland" -- my life has been permanently changed more or less
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
the comments from her relatives and stuff just made me really sad for a number of reasons actually & now i kind of feel bad even making fun of it
i dont
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Loved this article! Ivy is a talented writer- very witty and fun! I know you love your neighborhood but Ivy remember Mama Marty’s words of wisdom #42, Walk with a purpose!
I desperately need to know Mama Marty's other words of wisdom now
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
i think she'd be a good fit for grantland
― Mordy, Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
#43 always wear clean underwear
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
Semper ubi sub ubi
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
#37 grass on the infield, play ball
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
#22 you can never have too many pairs of socks
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
This could be the first time someone has commented under the username "Your Mom" and actually be the person's mother
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
#74 they don't like it when you call them "articulate"
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
haaaaaa
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
"Sports and culture analysis by the underemployed."
― crüt, Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
ERROR 404 - NOTHING FOUNDThe page you are looking for could not be found.
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
feel like i maybe dodged a bullet here?
hahahahahahaha
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecimages.kobobooks.com/Image.ashx?imageID=1cVOYZVr0k6RUg4vrT93Qg&Type=Full
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
its true every white girl Ive ever seen in harlem was naked and handcuffed
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
Looks like we have a new ilx bookclub selection!
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not going to google it up, but I'm guessing grantland doesn't have anything to do with grantwriting.
― how's life, Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Rory's father is a naive liberal pacifist, who moves to New York and finds the rent cheaper in a place called Harlem. Rory is even more naive than her father, but finds the locals considerably less color-blind than she. From her first day, the lovely young blonde becomes the target of lust for her black neighbors, her schoolmates, her principal and teachers, and every other man who sees her.
― Mordy, Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
well that's inconvenient
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
ok i am going to go out on a limb and say that i suspect that might be racist
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
it's like that pearl vs coal debacle from upthread, only with more boning
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
a place called Harlem
hmmmmm
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
HMGL HQ thanks you and apologizes To all HMGL readers new and returning –Thank you for visiting our site, and for a variety of feedback regarding a recent article on the site. The mission of this website is to give a voice to everyone, so your engagement is truly appreciated.The article in question was taken down for several reasons. Once frightening comments were made on this site — which are moderated for coherence, spam and profanity regardless of the article – and on Twitter, we reached a state of emergency.HMGL — and I personally — apologize as sincerely as I humanly can to those who were hurt by this or any piece.I also apologize deeply and profoundly to the story’s author for putting her in a compromising position.For the record, no one receives any money off this site save for our host, GoDaddy, and WordPress, who I pay out of pocket.Today has been a very trying day for this website, usually a source of joy to those who work on it and read it. I am quite literally sick to my stomach for any distress caused.Again, please accept my sincere apologies.You may contact me, a humble and imperfect editor of this site, via email: M✧✧✧@hiremegrantl✧✧✧.c✧✧.Sincerely,Matt
To all HMGL readers new and returning –
Thank you for visiting our site, and for a variety of feedback regarding a recent article on the site. The mission of this website is to give a voice to everyone, so your engagement is truly appreciated.
The article in question was taken down for several reasons. Once frightening comments were made on this site — which are moderated for coherence, spam and profanity regardless of the article – and on Twitter, we reached a state of emergency.
HMGL — and I personally — apologize as sincerely as I humanly can to those who were hurt by this or any piece.
I also apologize deeply and profoundly to the story’s author for putting her in a compromising position.
For the record, no one receives any money off this site save for our host, GoDaddy, and WordPress, who I pay out of pocket.
Today has been a very trying day for this website, usually a source of joy to those who work on it and read it. I am quite literally sick to my stomach for any distress caused.
Again, please accept my sincere apologies.
You may contact me, a humble and imperfect editor of this site, via email: M✧✧✧@hiremegrantl✧✧✧.c✧✧.
Sincerely,
Matt
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
That was quick.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
are they going to change the name of their website to "Yell At Me, Internet"?
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
and who will start the website "hiremehiremegrantland.com"?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-death-black-teen-puts-florida-law-back-004720741.html
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://hiremegrantland.com/?page_id=223
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
nifty graphic design
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
imagine sharing a dorm room with these guys
borat and walken voices, morning noon and night
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
not featured in The Rafters: http://www.zazzle.com/everyone_loves_a_harlem_girl_t_shirt_hat-148384453912034227
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
all the movie reviews contain family guy references
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not riffing, that was reportage
also appreciated this rare in-the-wild appearance of "think about it":
The movie villains of 2012 — Batman’s Joker and Bond’s Silva, for instance — are just more fucked up, more dangerous, more ruthless than their movie ancestors. Perhaps cinema is reflecting the world we live in here in 2012. Think about it. Modern enemies, as M says, “live in the shadows,” whereas even the Soviets had rules.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
hahahahaha oh god
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
imagine sharing a dorm room with these guysborat and walken voices, morning noon and night― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:58 PM (4 minutes ago)
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:58 PM (4 minutes ago)
wait till you hear their hilarious charles barkley voice
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
Comedians don’t interview — let alone lie to — terrorists, do they? In the Letterman clip below, SBC says about Bruno, “We wanted to be better than Borat, and we thought, what could people see that they hadn’t seen before? One thing could be a comedian interviewing a terrorist, which I think has never been done before.” (Only problem? “It’s hard to find terrorists. There’s no Craigslist in Beiruit,” he explains.)
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
When that article was still up, I swear there were at least 5 dudes profiled on the staff page: http://hiremegrantland.com/?page_id=99
Now there are 2.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
google cache is blocked at my work but i really want to read the deleted article, oh these poor dumb fuckers
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ "wayne's world, manhattan, swingers"
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
omg you are correct, there were also a couple who hadn't sent in bios
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
I’m honored to write my first piece for HMGL. Although, it’s not about fantasy football or James Bond — it’s about why I live in everyone’s favorite NYC fairytale neighborhood.Harlem.(Were you expecting something else?)Matt asked me to explain what it’s like to live in Harlem. ‘What’s a nice girl like you doing in a neighborhood like that?’ he wondered.He is not the first to ask. My address spices up any NYC party conversation. For example:A: “What do you do?”B: “I’m a digital strategist/textile designer/social media consultant/freak.”A: “Oh, that’s cool. Where do you live?”B: “Williamsburg/Murray Hill/East Village. You?”When I tell them where I live, their eyes open wide. They stammer and croak something involving the word “gentrification.”Ah. That single word, allegedly rationalizing my residence.But what if I actually just like it? I assure them Harlem is safe place to live, mentioning a Duane Reade just opened three blocks from my apartment. And they breathe a semi-sigh of relief.—How did I get to Harlem?After I got accepted to grad school in NYC, I made plans to live with one of my best friends from high school and college who was going to grad school at Columbia. I immediately booked a one-way ticket from Tampa — my hometown — and told my roommate I trusted him completely to choose our new apartment.I had no clue where I would be moving; I was just so excited to make NYC my home. My roommate sent me pictures of our future apartment and it was rental love at first sight. I told him to sign on the spot.The author on moving day.After I told my uncle where my apartment was (he has lived in NYC for over 30 years; thus he acts just how you’d think), he ripped me about 50 new assholes.“HARLEM? Are you CRAZY?” he asked. “Do you KNOW where that is? Do you KNOW how dangerous it could be?”He wouldn’t stop making comparisons to my neighborhood and Serpico and Midnight Cowboy (and still hasn’t to this day).The very next day, he went to my neighborhood, met my roommate for the first time and stood on my stoop for hours. He walked around the neighborhood. He talked to people on my block (which I’m sincerely sad was not taped for my later entertainment). He also walked around the neighborhood at night to give my father — his brother — a full report.After he assured my dad the neighborhood wasn’t completely terrible, but also pointing out the staircase in my building looked JUST like the one in a crack-den apartment in Serpico, he made me get mace (which I still carry) and named himself Deputy Commissioner of Ivy’s Security.Tepidly, he gave three-fourths of his blessing.I flew into JFK weeks later, cabbed it to Hamilton Heights and promptly twirled about our beautiful, big apartment, Carrie-style. I went to explore the neighborhood, which wasn’t scary to me at all. It’s a mostly-Dominican neighborhood, complete with a McDonalds that delivers (!!!) only three blocks from my apartment.Sure, I don’t live in Carrie Bradshaw’s New York. But recently, I realized that Jay-Z’s lyrics from “Empire State of Mind” are about my hood — yes, that’s my McDonald’s:I used to cop in Harlem/all of my DominicanosRight there up on Broadway/brought me back to that McDonald’s.So, no, my neighborhood is not TriBeCa. But it’s beautiful and cool in its own right. I found my favorite places to eat and walk within time. I’ve seen every ethnicity in my neighborhood: students, families, and everyone else.–If I feel safe in Harlem, what is the lingering stigma about Harlem that makes people scared for me?First, frankly, it’s because I’m not a big, black thug. Second, there’s the crime history. Third, I think Harlem makes people think of a lone tumbleweed rolling down a deserted street, landing at the door of a shady pawn shop.Do I feel safe? I never haven’t.Here’s why: In New York everyone is crazy in some way — from Larry David to Michael Bloomberg.So, if you go into any New York neighborhood under the assumption that everyone is crazy, you will always have your guard up and your eyes forward.Do I get whistled at in the street (“AY MAMA!”)? Sure. But it’s no different than assholes in their first suits from Barneys in Financial District bars are thinking, so it really doesn’t matter to me.My roommate is muscular and black, so when we walk down the street together, people assume we’re just another hip, racially mixed couple to not mess with (we’re not, he’s gay). I like to pretend we’re Lady Gaga and Usher taking a stroll, just living our lives.Like my roommate and I, Harlem is eccentric. It’s an urban Norman Rockwell painting tucked away next to the Hudson River. Old men play chess on the sidewalks on overturned milk crates. My dry cleaning guy waves at me every morning, cheerfully sweeping his stoop in a wifebeater and tube socks.As opposed to many other Manhattan neighborhoods, there are no women on macrobiotic diets dictating to nannies on the sidewalks. On the contrary, women in my neighborhood let their husbands have it in the middle of the street, often wearing tropical-colored get-ups.Everyone is loony in their own charming way.–There’s more to my neighborhood than its diversity.From a girlish perspective, my apartment features crown molding, exposed brick and a washer/dryer in my bathroom. From a real estate perspective, the pre-war architecture of my neighborhood is incredible, I don’t live in a shoebox and the rent is reasonable. And from a thug perspective, my address lends me a bit of street cred. The cashier at my bodega says I keep it real.Jay-Z and Frank Serpico have (probably) been here. (Photo by author)Besides the Duane Reade, Alexander Hamilton’s mansion is five minutes away. The best pizza I’ve ever had — from a place that really does look like it was in Serpico – is two blocks away, and the biggest, most authentic burritos I’ve ever had are across the street.The West Side Highway jogging path and Riverside Park are a hop and a skip. On hot days, women sell shaved ice on the corner. Little kids play in the water of an open fire hydrant during summer. A breathless homeless woman is always posted up at the liquor store 62 steps from my front stoop: “Canyouspareadollarcanyouspareadollar…”–In some ways, moving to Harlem on a whim was like a drunken Vegas wedding everyone thought would get annulled. “But I LOVE it,” I wailed to my parents. Almost three years later, Harlem and I are still going strong. It’s true — they say when you know, you know.Carrie and Samantha once had this exchange on Sex and the City:Carrie says, “I have to go to San Francisco on a book tour.”Samantha replies, “You wouldn’t go to the Upper West Side. Suddenly, you’re going to San Francisco?”And Ramona from Real Housewives made an inference that women brawl on the street 10 blocks north of me.My reply: What the hell is wrong with the West Side, Carrie? And guess what the scariest thing is at the corner of 150th, Ramona?? A Taco Bell AND a KFC!!!Yes, I’m a girl who stereotypically doesn’t fit the bill to live here, and I do love having girlish brunches downtown and am envious of people who live near Gramercy Park—but that doesn’t mean I can’t prevail in Harlem.Nah mean?Ivy Jacobson is an Editorial Assistant for AOL’s Patch.com. She does not have any other cool articles on HMGL (and probably never will, after referencing Sex and the City twice — TWICE — in this post). But if you ever need to know how to make a pirate hat, she’s your woman.Should you see Argo and/or Skyfall? Find out here. Or try and make sense of the football season with this Halloween-themed primer. And stay tuned for more articles and the debut of a YouTube channel. Or bring it on home.
Harlem.
(Were you expecting something else?)
Matt asked me to explain what it’s like to live in Harlem. ‘What’s a nice girl like you doing in a neighborhood like that?’ he wondered.
He is not the first to ask. My address spices up any NYC party conversation. For example:
A: “What do you do?”B: “I’m a digital strategist/textile designer/social media consultant/freak.”A: “Oh, that’s cool. Where do you live?”B: “Williamsburg/Murray Hill/East Village. You?”
When I tell them where I live, their eyes open wide. They stammer and croak something involving the word “gentrification.”
Ah. That single word, allegedly rationalizing my residence.
But what if I actually just like it? I assure them Harlem is safe place to live, mentioning a Duane Reade just opened three blocks from my apartment. And they breathe a semi-sigh of relief.
—
How did I get to Harlem?
After I got accepted to grad school in NYC, I made plans to live with one of my best friends from high school and college who was going to grad school at Columbia. I immediately booked a one-way ticket from Tampa — my hometown — and told my roommate I trusted him completely to choose our new apartment.
I had no clue where I would be moving; I was just so excited to make NYC my home. My roommate sent me pictures of our future apartment and it was rental love at first sight. I told him to sign on the spot.
The author on moving day.
After I told my uncle where my apartment was (he has lived in NYC for over 30 years; thus he acts just how you’d think), he ripped me about 50 new assholes.
“HARLEM? Are you CRAZY?” he asked. “Do you KNOW where that is? Do you KNOW how dangerous it could be?”
He wouldn’t stop making comparisons to my neighborhood and Serpico and Midnight Cowboy (and still hasn’t to this day).
The very next day, he went to my neighborhood, met my roommate for the first time and stood on my stoop for hours. He walked around the neighborhood. He talked to people on my block (which I’m sincerely sad was not taped for my later entertainment). He also walked around the neighborhood at night to give my father — his brother — a full report.
After he assured my dad the neighborhood wasn’t completely terrible, but also pointing out the staircase in my building looked JUST like the one in a crack-den apartment in Serpico, he made me get mace (which I still carry) and named himself Deputy Commissioner of Ivy’s Security.
Tepidly, he gave three-fourths of his blessing.
I flew into JFK weeks later, cabbed it to Hamilton Heights and promptly twirled about our beautiful, big apartment, Carrie-style. I went to explore the neighborhood, which wasn’t scary to me at all. It’s a mostly-Dominican neighborhood, complete with a McDonalds that delivers (!!!) only three blocks from my apartment.
Sure, I don’t live in Carrie Bradshaw’s New York. But recently, I realized that Jay-Z’s lyrics from “Empire State of Mind” are about my hood — yes, that’s my McDonald’s:
I used to cop in Harlem/all of my DominicanosRight there up on Broadway/brought me back to that McDonald’s.
So, no, my neighborhood is not TriBeCa. But it’s beautiful and cool in its own right. I found my favorite places to eat and walk within time. I’ve seen every ethnicity in my neighborhood: students, families, and everyone else.
–
If I feel safe in Harlem, what is the lingering stigma about Harlem that makes people scared for me?
First, frankly, it’s because I’m not a big, black thug. Second, there’s the crime history. Third, I think Harlem makes people think of a lone tumbleweed rolling down a deserted street, landing at the door of a shady pawn shop.
Do I feel safe? I never haven’t.
Here’s why: In New York everyone is crazy in some way — from Larry David to Michael Bloomberg.
So, if you go into any New York neighborhood under the assumption that everyone is crazy, you will always have your guard up and your eyes forward.
Do I get whistled at in the street (“AY MAMA!”)? Sure. But it’s no different than assholes in their first suits from Barneys in Financial District bars are thinking, so it really doesn’t matter to me.
My roommate is muscular and black, so when we walk down the street together, people assume we’re just another hip, racially mixed couple to not mess with (we’re not, he’s gay). I like to pretend we’re Lady Gaga and Usher taking a stroll, just living our lives.
Like my roommate and I, Harlem is eccentric. It’s an urban Norman Rockwell painting tucked away next to the Hudson River. Old men play chess on the sidewalks on overturned milk crates. My dry cleaning guy waves at me every morning, cheerfully sweeping his stoop in a wifebeater and tube socks.
As opposed to many other Manhattan neighborhoods, there are no women on macrobiotic diets dictating to nannies on the sidewalks. On the contrary, women in my neighborhood let their husbands have it in the middle of the street, often wearing tropical-colored get-ups.
Everyone is loony in their own charming way.
There’s more to my neighborhood than its diversity.
From a girlish perspective, my apartment features crown molding, exposed brick and a washer/dryer in my bathroom. From a real estate perspective, the pre-war architecture of my neighborhood is incredible, I don’t live in a shoebox and the rent is reasonable. And from a thug perspective, my address lends me a bit of street cred. The cashier at my bodega says I keep it real.
Jay-Z and Frank Serpico have (probably) been here. (Photo by author)
Besides the Duane Reade, Alexander Hamilton’s mansion is five minutes away. The best pizza I’ve ever had — from a place that really does look like it was in Serpico – is two blocks away, and the biggest, most authentic burritos I’ve ever had are across the street.
The West Side Highway jogging path and Riverside Park are a hop and a skip. On hot days, women sell shaved ice on the corner. Little kids play in the water of an open fire hydrant during summer. A breathless homeless woman is always posted up at the liquor store 62 steps from my front stoop: “Canyouspareadollarcanyouspareadollar…”
In some ways, moving to Harlem on a whim was like a drunken Vegas wedding everyone thought would get annulled. “But I LOVE it,” I wailed to my parents. Almost three years later, Harlem and I are still going strong. It’s true — they say when you know, you know.
Carrie and Samantha once had this exchange on Sex and the City:
Carrie says, “I have to go to San Francisco on a book tour.”
Samantha replies, “You wouldn’t go to the Upper West Side. Suddenly, you’re going to San Francisco?”
And Ramona from Real Housewives made an inference that women brawl on the street 10 blocks north of me.
My reply: What the hell is wrong with the West Side, Carrie? And guess what the scariest thing is at the corner of 150th, Ramona?? A Taco Bell AND a KFC!!!
Yes, I’m a girl who stereotypically doesn’t fit the bill to live here, and I do love having girlish brunches downtown and am envious of people who live near Gramercy Park—but that doesn’t mean I can’t prevail in Harlem.
Nah mean?
Ivy Jacobson is an Editorial Assistant for AOL’s Patch.com. She does not have any other cool articles on HMGL (and probably never will, after referencing Sex and the City twice — TWICE — in this post). But if you ever need to know how to make a pirate hat, she’s your woman.
Should you see Argo and/or Skyfall? Find out here. Or try and make sense of the football season with this Halloween-themed primer. And stay tuned for more articles and the debut of a YouTube channel. Or bring it on home.
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah there were more, i was trying to see if i had mutual friends with the three that went to my college (of course)
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
also there was an embed in the middle of the article of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8
― 乒乓, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe Grantland hired a bunch of 'em
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
haha ok wait:
"My roommate is muscular and black, so when we walk down the street together, people assume we’re just another hip, racially mixed couple to not mess with (we’re not, he’s gay). I like to pretend we’re Lady Gaga and Usher taking a stroll, just living our lives.
Like my roommate and I, Harlem is eccentric."
trying to figure out if his eccentricity comes from his gayness or blackness or the combination of the 2. how droll!
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
I think it comes from his Usherness
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
although in fairness, the only evidence she gives for her own eccentricity is that she likes to compare herself to Lady Gaga
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
she's the girl Usher and Kels sang about
― Sufjan Gruden (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
well shes eccentric enough to live with a gay black dude, i assume she sees that as her cred
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
is HMGL a subsidiary of TBS?
― Sufjan Gruden (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
we're lady gagaand usher, taking a stroll,just living our lives
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
a thug perspective
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
i feel p bad that this girl submitted a cv to HIREMEGRANTLAND.COM and matt "wayne's world, manhattan, swingers" ford immediately assigned her a piece on why a "nice girl like her" lives in harlem and now the whole internet hates her
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
i guess the first part of that is where she started to deserve it tho isn't it
I'm not sure that aspiring to be a writer and maybe not knowing the best way to make that happen should make you hated
― Sufjan Gruden (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
my own first-published-piece btw was also about nyc but its climactic scene was in a johnny rockets so i'm p sure she's still cooler than i am (like lady gaga)
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
lmao @ rare in-the-wild appearance of "think about it"
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
is this really being talked about everywhere on the internet? it had 26 comments and 20 of them were from her family/girl scout leaders.
maybe grantland should write something about it
― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
deadspin linked it
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
it got tumbld a lot or whatever. anyway klosterman should do a 2000-word exegesis ending w an admission that it "probably means nothing".
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
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this probably isn't how it worked
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
likely not but i'm just going by the preamble
really i think we should be focusing on the uncle who's lived in nyc for 30 years and remains haunted by the staircases from serpico
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
There was so much in that article that I found hilarious that it's hard for me to be too mad at her
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
i love that 40% of the staff immediately decided to reconsider being attached to a site called HIRE ME GRANTLAND the minute that people started paying attention to it
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
it says something about the VIRAL AGE that a few people who have actually worked (or currently do work) in media decided to try and circumvent the "build a profile and relationships" model of a career in favor of the "well maybe if i make an ass out of myself someone will throw me money" model
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
Quietly putting together one of the best resumes in Hollywood since 2009 – Inception, Midnight in Paris, Dark Knight Rises, Contagion, Public Enemies – Mademoiselle Cotillard is nailing down the “Not Bat-Shit Crazy Female Actress Who Is Not Just Hot But Can Also Act” niche previously occupied by Natalie Portman and never once occupied by Megan Fox.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
i guess they went with Hire Me Grantland because Can I Please God Actually Turn Into Bill Simmons was too long
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
guys: http://blogs.citypages.com/food/2012/11/chino_latinos_new_menu_criticized_for_racist_remarks.php
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
hey guys if anyone needs me tonight i'll be chilling in harlem, waiting for gaga
http://i.imgur.com/W3tdL.jpg
― pplains, Friday, 30 November 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
anything bad that happens to chino latino is alright by me
― i dream of booze pinata (jjjusten), Friday, 30 November 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
Standing in the in store barns and nobles starbucks with my pumpkin spice latte, i take a single sip, burning my tongue slightly. But i don't even mind. Harlem is the fire in which art is forged. "If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere." I say outloud. Nobody hears me, due to every single person in a 500 foot radius having iphone buds in
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 30 November 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
it's times like this i'm just so disappointed that google is unable to furnish me with a gif or macro of Tom Cruise saying "I'll see you in Harlem, brother!" to Kanye West
― trinidad jokes (some dude), Friday, 30 November 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn0KKtUMzuA
http://www.cmt.com/sitewide/assets/img/shows/sweet_home_alabama/season_1/men/MichaelChadwick-281x211.jpg http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/157926_123361431064733_1907757910_n.jpg http://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Michael-Chadwick-192.jpg
― pplains, Friday, 30 November 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
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― 乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 November 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
Even after Chino was ordered to pay $325,000 to settle a discrimination lawsuit brought on by allegations of mistreatment of Hispanic employees, owner Phil Roberts brushed off comments from protesters by saying he hopes to keep the ads "rather outrageous," adding, "I really do want people to be offended." He has also referred to the people who decry the billboards as "bedwetting hippies."
classy
― crüt, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:35 (eleven years ago) link
I went there years ago. Their meat tastes like it was boiled in dishwater. Their old fashioned is a fruit cocktail with whiskey dribbled over the top. I was offended. Good job, Phil.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
Definitely gonna be borrowing the phrase "bedwetting hippies" in the future.
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 30 November 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
Phil has a notebook filled with phrases to describe the people who think he's an insufferable asshole.
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
I do not! I threw it away a few years after high school.
(I don't think you post in the threads I inhabit on ILM, so you probably didn't know that my real name is Phil.)
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 30 November 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha no
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Nice to meet you, Phil!
― 乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
hey, if I don't keep angrily clicking, the computer will never sense my impatience and complete its operation in a timely fashion
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
almost went to that place once, glad I didn't
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
one of my friends ate this thing on a dare:
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/57/7fbfdfc350944b97aee1b70428ef37e6/l.jpg
eating guinea pig was supposed to be funny, but it was mostly just stupid
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
now we know what happened to the original Mickey Mouse
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
Nice to eat you!
― crüt, Friday, 30 November 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.guineapig-rehoming-norfolk.co.uk/5733_628941025350_36913656_40348325_3506994_n.jpg
― ra乒乓head (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
I have friends that have eaten them in south america, supposed to be pretty ok. Don't know if I'd trust a restaurant not run by people from that region to prepare it well.
Also, yes, they are adorable.
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
oh man that parasole group
― goole, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
mea culpa, i went to chino latino as recently as last week for happy hour with a friend (who, incidentally, was the one who alerted me to the racist ad via facebook). i guess it was more accurately a "girls night out," as i was the only guy there and all they did was talk about sex and stupid boys. i had a "reverse cowgirl" cocktail and jerk chicken wings, and, subsequently, GI distress.
i have always kinda liked the weird glittery facade.
but yeah parasole restaurants are something else...for a while i thought red stag and barbette were parasole, which totally didn't square up with everything else i knew about them
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
fuckin' chino latino
i forgot that place is still open, is it still busy? felt like a place that would have a short shelf life after it's period as a "hot spot"
but then again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMKZgt8qmgg
will fall for anything
― U.S. State Department, Office of Rare Psych (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
i guess it was more accurately a "girls night out," as i was the only guy there and all they did was talk about sex and stupid boys. i had a "reverse cowgirl" cocktail and jerk chicken wings, and, subsequently, GI distress.
how to live, imo
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
red stag and barbette were parasole
those are kim bartman
http://www.citypages.com/related/to/Kim+Bartmann/http://southwestminneapolis.patch.com/articles/kim-bartmann-invests-in-southwest-with-three-new-restaurantshttp://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/print-edition/2012/05/25/industry-leaders-kim-bartmann.html?page=all
who's like the good-witch version of this imo
― goole, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
i kind of shudder to think how much money and time i put into bryant lake bowl alone
― goole, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
big fan of red stag
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
still never been to red stag, BLB is an occasional thing for me
barbette...look, it's irresponsible as a grad student, but let's just say that the waitstaff knows my name there
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
there's this guy who is a complete douche business owner in Des Moines and his MO appears to be that he finds a business that is doing OK, buys it, and then just uses the exact same concept to open more of them elsewhere. He bought what was a neighborhood bar w/food probably five years ago, then opened a bar in a suburb with the exact same name
so as I walked through mpls a couple months ago, I could only laugh: enjoy the Wellmans Pub, guys! (formerly Drink: The Original Party Bar)
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
i forgot that place is still open, is it still busy?
during happy hour on a saturday night (the first time i've been in years) the place was packed to the fucking gills.
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh god Drink. went there once with ex-gf (we had just had, and vaguely reconciled, an argument, it was the most ready to hand), i hated it.
i basically hate every bar in uptown proper, rip uptown
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit I forgot there was/is one in uptown
the one that's going to be Authentic Neighborhood Bar is downtown
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
what's that seafoood place that's multi-story in uptown? I saw a fistfight break out in the middle of a weekend afternoon on the rooftop bar there. yeeeah.
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Does Barbette still have those lamb sliders? Those are really tasty. Love the fries and the house wine at happy hour.
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
stella's. the seafood is...not good
dunno about lamb sliders, i usually just get brunch (it's hella close to my house)
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 30 November 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
ILX, where eventually every thread turns into a thread about eating out in NYC...
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Saturday, 1 December 2012 07:17 (eleven years ago) link
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Saturday, 1 December 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
clearly all restaurants everywhere are actually in N?YC.
― s.clover, Saturday, 1 December 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
Especially bad midwestern ones.
― how's life, Saturday, 1 December 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
the entire midwestern restaurant-industrial complex is just a wing on the third floor of Guy's American Kitchen & Bar.
― s.clover, Saturday, 1 December 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
regionalist
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 3 December 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
applebees "oriental" chicken salad begs to differ
― mayor mcpotle (mh), Monday, 3 December 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
From Boing Boing http://boingboing.net/2012/12/06/stupid-sorority-insults-mexica.html
http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/NewImage29.png
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
go Penn State!
― how's life, Friday, 7 December 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
maybe if this keeps happening we'll finally make fake moustaches illegal
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 7 December 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
― on a clear 乒乓 can see forever (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 7 December 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
A: yes
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah another one for the "this is racist" thread
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
Look forward to our US friends reaching the same state of post-racial utopia as our own students have apparently achieved.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jackrivlin/100193225/tribal-theme-for-exeters-safer-sex-ball-is-racist-scream-right-on-killjoys-but-racism-awareness-has-run-out-of-steam-at-universities/
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
Ugh, fuck off Torygraph.
― emil.y, Friday, 7 December 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
to paraphrase Nigel Tufnel "what's wrong with being racy?"
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
note pervy picture of posh totty.
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh my god
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
sensible, well-reasoned argument:
"They have nothing in common with monkey chanters at football matches, and it's cheap of the sensitivity posse to make them feel guilty for being white and middle-class."
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
Depressingly, it's written by an actual student journalist from a multi-university website, not just one of the Telegraph's own aging trolls.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
we can't be racist, we're young, middle class and white!
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2012/12/headshot.png
If this guy is at university it must only be as some kind of Doogie Howser deal, right?
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 7 December 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
When people get mad at me for being an asshole, I'm just going to tell them to stop being so pc
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
do i even want to know what "monkey chanters" are?
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
somewhere along the line these jerks forgot that "politically correct" is a nonsense phrase created by conservative voices to belittle those who campaigned for social justice or against discrimination and it's not some checkbox.
then again, maybe they do remember and they're using it the same old way
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://newsone.com/2017946/natchez-mall-racist-sign/
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, December 7, 2012 5:23 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
People shouting "monkey" or hurling bananas at black football (soccer) players. It happens quite frequently. But of course the students aren't like that, because they're middle-class.
― emil.y, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
It happens quite frequently
what the fucking fuck
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
lol emily i know what football means here
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
as usual though every other aspect of u.k. culture is confusing and repellant to me
It is relatively rare in the UK now.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
what a horribly formed "columnist"
― before and after broscience (goole), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
That's just my latent racism against Americans coming out, there. Poor slow Americans.
― mh, Friday, December 7, 2012 5:35 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I know. I loathe football, but I have the feeling it's even worse in mainland Europe than it is here. I may be wrong, though.
― emil.y, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
In fact, such is the mirth prompted by the Safer Sex Ball’s critics that there have been four layers of counter-protest on Facebook, leaving us with the deliciously meta “Campaign against the campaign against the campaign against the campaign against the Safer Sex Ball theme”.
Deliciously meta. ugh.
― the so-called socialista (dowd), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
i am trying to imagine this happening at american football games and all i can see are a bunch of dead white people
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
It is an instant lifetime ban at most clubs, iirc. Clubs have been fairly successful at clamping down on it.
Anti-semitism is arguably a bigger issue.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
i lived in a Chi Omega house for three weeks while I was between apartments once.
Not at Penn State though.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 7 December 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
also mandatory privilege-awareness training sounds like a p good idea
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 7 December 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
I've been to plenty of football matches in England, and I've never seen any racism. I'm sure it does go on, and may be worse at some clubs than others, but the vast majority of fans would have a problem with it if it happened.
It was a big problem in the 80s though.
― AlanSmithee, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
yeah gone from the UK by and large now, thankfully.
― Neil S, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
i like how that article mocks the idea of "awareness training" and then goes on to explain how wonderful it is that the new post-racial generation ("It would simply not occur to them that their antics had any political significance at all") is unaware of things
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
"it would simply not occur to them that antics had any political significance at all" should have been in that pfm oral history of interpol
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
if we're not aware things could be viewed as horrible by old people, then we will just do things in the future, when all those old people are dead, and all the racism of it means nothing now, so it's ok.
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
In a post-racial society, middle class whites will finally be able to make fun of Mexicans with impunity. Sadly, as this incident demonstrates, we are not yet achieved this.
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 7 December 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
this isn't quite true -- "politically correct" was created by leftists as a joke, then seized upon by conservatives as ammunition
― crüt, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
that's what I get for thinking conservatives could come up with anything
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
Yes this is racist, but it goes along with how videos from 25-30 years ago wouldn't play today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nXGPZaTKik
How did I forget this beginning of the video?
― pplains, Sunday, 9 December 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
yikes. ah well, at least the magical negroes helped him dance out of jail.
― Nhex, Monday, 10 December 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
iirc, it didn't play then, either. MTV wouldn't show this version.
Granted, in those days they also wouldn't show any videos by black artists...
― and I scream Fieri Eiffel Tower High (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 December 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
Listen, that one guy from the Thompson Twins was on there at least 3 or 4 times a week.
― pplains, Monday, 10 December 2012 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
my maternal grandmother was racist as hell, and homophobic, and yet loved both culture club and the thompson twins. it's a wacky world.
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 10 December 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
I can pretty much guarantee my grandmother has no idea who culture club and the thompson twins are
― she was giving it to two friends ...Aaay! (crüt), Monday, 10 December 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
it was definitely weird that she knew who they were, yes
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 10 December 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
I do not understand the function of the blackface jury in this video
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 10 December 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
I'm reading the "I Want My MTV" book based on recommendations in the Rock Oral History Books thread. Came across this passage which made me look it up on YouTube:
JULIEN TEMPLE: The popularity and hypocrisy of blackface had always fasci-nated me. During the early '60s, British TV programmers would air minstrelshows as primetime family entertainment while professing to be winning thebattle against racism. "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?" was about being gayand being victimized for your sexuality, which George was kind of emblematicof. It seemed appropriate to me that in the video he would be judged by jurors inblackfice, to send up bigotry and point out the hypocrisy of the many gay judgesand politicians in the UK who'd enacted anti-gay legislation.
― pplains, Monday, 10 December 2012 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
(Also, the ImageToText app is awesome.)
wouldn't it actually be more effective/sensible to have a jury full of stereotypically gay people judging him, rather than being racist for abstract philosophy points?
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 10 December 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
there's a reasonable answer for all of this: cocaine.
― the oral history of (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 10 December 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/12/meteorologist-fired-for-responding-to-racist-facebook-post/
― before and after broscience (goole), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
fucking a
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
Wow. Impressed by her response to that FB post.
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
no shit that's a lawsuit waiting to happen
― Jesus, the Total Douchebag (DJP), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
completely impressed by the same individual's response to her response, which completely misses the point
― mh, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
This lady is fucking awesome, too:
http://www.youtube.com/user/heyweatherlady?feature=watch
― jawn valjawn (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
that is terrible. xposts
― she was giving it to two friends ...Aaay! (crüt), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ kebab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pm7FsHt-4g
― jawn valjawn (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
RHONDA PLZ COME TO PHILLY
The we-announced-the-policy-in-that-meeting-you-didn't-attend-and-forgot-to-write-it-down defense has got to be worth at least a couple extra zeros at the end of that settlement check.
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
She's so cute with her fruit kebab! And that is a FRESH blue pant-suit and I'm stealing that scarf fold.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
“weather is white boy business.”
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
making me LOL
"you're gonna need a fruit kebab... TRUST."
― THE NATIONS YOUTH DANCED TO THE MACARANA (innocent) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah she should sue the pants off that station. From some of the comments on the article it looks like KTBS seems to 'mysteriously lose' a good number of it's female news presenters. I'd say this incident is racist, and kind of bizarre, but that station also appears to be pretty sexist.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
xp wait does she say that?
― jawn valjawn (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 13 December 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
she absolutely does and it's even better than you can imagine
― Jesus, the Total Douchebag (DJP), Thursday, 13 December 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
^-^
― Nhex, Thursday, 13 December 2012 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
wow, i love her. hero. handy w a fruit kebab, too. *swoons*
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 December 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
that station is a dickhole tho
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 December 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
Seriously. How can not one individual in that station's management team question actually using that logic.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 December 2012 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
Guh. So what, specifically, was this alleged policy?
Love her and her fruit kebab. Kebab'em a new one, Rhonda.
― (*・_・)ノ⌒ ☆ (Je55e), Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
OH MY GOD @ "You're gonna need a fruit kebab. Trust."
this lady is my new favorite.
― jawn valjawn (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 13 December 2012 06:54 (eleven years ago) link
she seems so likable!
― she was giving it to two friends ...Aaay! (crüt), Thursday, 13 December 2012 09:17 (eleven years ago) link
#teamfruitkebab
― before and after broscience (goole), Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://estateagents.tumblr.com/post/12163239713/ronjon-the-apartment-mon
― joygoat, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
what the hell is that
― Jesus, the Total Douchebag (DJP), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
Austin. Nuff said.
― pplains, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
Someone who is not doing business in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens.
― SHUT UP AND GET YOUR TURKEY SCIENCE BOOKS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
hey mon
― the late great, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Rhonda Lee interviewed on Democracy Now:
But I don’t think I would ever change a keystroke as to what it was that I said. To me, it was a message that kind of needed to get out. Of course, black female hair has always been a point of contention, since probably biblical times. And unfortunately, we haven’t moved quite to where I think we should be as far as the level of beauty that’s displayed and compared to with African-American women’s hair. But I think we’re making very important strides today, despite my circumstance.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 21 December 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
did this get talked about anywhere on ILX?
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/19/fears-of-an-asian-quota-in-the-ivy-league?hp
― the late great, Friday, 21 December 2012 04:18 (eleven years ago) link
dunno if we have a thread for this ,may be the tiger mom thread?
― 乒乓, Friday, 21 December 2012 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
this was the original article
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
"To be clear, I do not seek to perpetuate the “model minority” myth ... Nor do I endorse the law professor Amy Chua’s pernicious “Tiger Mother” stereotype, which has set back Asian kids by attributing their successes to overzealous (and even pathological) parenting rather than individual effort."
― the late great, Friday, 21 December 2012 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
to be honest, it's nice to see this topic brought up at all, but unfortunately it usually seems for the awful use of attacking affirmative action (because what's really important here is that white people can gain from attacking Asian descrimination). at least that's mentioned...
― Nhex, Friday, 21 December 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
it's completely due to affirmative action, just the affirmative action that exists for white people/legacies/athletes
― iatee, Friday, 21 December 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
the solution is easy: admit more asians and less white people
― 乒乓, Friday, 21 December 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
"Is This Racist": Christmas Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1rrN0C10GM
― Fetchboy, Monday, 24 December 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty mild for 1947. I liked the inclusivity (I may be wrong but it seems like that was pretty rare back then).
― nickn, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
Tis the season for putting on some old 1940s Christmas cartoons for the kids and praying none of that minstrel crap suddenly pops up.
― pplains, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
rhonda lee petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/ktbs-tv-give-rhonda-lee-her-job-back-asap#
― the late great, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
is it racist to wear a du-rag if you're not black? having a disagreement with my gf about this.
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
Only if you are an eastern european babushka.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
Er, only if you are not. Also pirates, and gypsies, and circus folk can get away w it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
not so much racist as questionable judgment
― ILX is not a non-profit — we are just not profitable (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.etsy.com/listing/48554881/confederate-flag-do-rag
― mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
not black, makes doo rag work
― the late great, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
is it racist against grits and headbangers?
― t_s (how's life), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
― t_s (how's life), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
Anybody can wear a kerchief on their head!
― Canaille help you (Michael White), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
A du-rag is not a kerchief though. In its current incarnation, it has its own design that couldn't be confused for anything else, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway gf says that it's uniquely a signifier of black culture and non-black people can't wear it without being inherently offensive. I responded by saying that white people wear saris and kimonos and all kinds of other shit from other cultures all the time-- and at appropriate public events, for that matter. Wearing a du-rang is not racist as far as I can see, though as someone else mentioned, it might be "questionable judgement", though even that I'm not really sure why. Do some people just get to "own" certain fashion statements?
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, you're taking about the sheer stocking-looking kind. Yeah, idk, white people don't really wear those. I don't know if it's offensive as much as it'd just look weird because you don't have black person hair?
― mh, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'm weirded out by du-rag. I always see do-rag, as in it keeps your hairdo in check
― mh, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
:}
― 乒乓, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
also wondering where these white people with kimonos are wandering around
― mh, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
eminem fan forums have discussed this very issue
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
also wondering where these white people with kimonos are wandering aroundhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md73v3Cyxm1ru41p9o1_500.jpg
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
I responded by saying that white people wear saris and kimonos and all kinds of other shit from other cultures all the time-- and at appropriate public events, for that matter.
Is this about you wearing a du-rag at an "appropriate public event?" Concert?
― mh, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
duragpolice
― buzza, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not going to run out and find pictures, but pretty sure well-known fashion houses have developed kimonos for consumption by the Western public.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, that's not the point. It doesn't really matter if white people wear kimonos or not. Is it racist for a white person to wear one?
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
history has taught us that it's cool for a white person to do pretty much anything they want to, don't fret about it imo
― 乒乓, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
i'd say that white cultural tastemakers have done a lot to propagate (or steal, if you prefer) other cultures' texts/fashion/music/etc, there's always kind of a sheepishness about it too
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link
My local pub is having a New Year's Eve curry night with Indian-themed fancy dress suggested. The barman agreed with me that this was a poor idea, but I didn't determine whether he agreed with my unspoken subtext that it was a bad idea because it was (at the very least highly likely to end up being) fucking racist wtf.
Sorry, as you were.
― a panda, Malmö (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
btw, just to clarify-- I do not nor do I plan to wear a du-rag in public. The discussion came up as a result of a friend's "wear-a-funny-hat" party.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.lib.unc.edu/rbc/keats/img/keats-hand-on-chin.jpg
― Tome Cruise (Matt P), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
you realize this shit has been getting called out as racist for decades tho right
― passive-aggressive dn change (zachlyon), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
um, not to suggest that du-rags are inherently funny, derp derp
sure. everything involving multiple cultures is called racist by somebody somewhere.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
and I guess that kind of points out the ridiculousness of a thread called "is it racist", since it's fairly obvious that there isn't ever a straightforward answer to the question.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
dü-rag
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6220/6364635019_1aed588e3e_z.jpg
― Tome Cruise (Matt P), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
poliopolice, huskers or mats?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
keffiya.jpg
― the late great, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
mats no question
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
nothing against the gays and their gay fashion or whatever
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
:-}
― 乒乓, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
would it be racist if i dressed like bob mould?
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.boston.va.gov/images/OPT_man_sits_with_his_chin_on_his_hand.jpg
― Tome Cruise (Matt P), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
OUT
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
So where do dreadlocks come into this? White w/dreads = always racist?
― nickn, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
are those rolling hip-hop threads racist?
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
i find it really, really, really hard to agree to the idea that that some group can/should 'own' anything, whether it be a philosophy, word, fashion or anything else.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
it understand that many signifiers and texts are connected to systematic oppression but it seems silly to me that someone can have full rights to dreadlocks.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
it = i
i think it's pretty okay to wear hats and such
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Thursday, 27 December 2012 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
I sometimes use crutches because I like Itzhak Perlman.
Is this polioist?
― mh, Thursday, 27 December 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
imo dreads actually have a better claim to being culturally bound than the do-rag, which has been worn by people around the world for ages 'n' ages
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 27 December 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
You have dreadlocks
― Dom Passantino
― buzza, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
dreads also have a better chance of being super nasty because you can't throw them in the washing machine
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 27 December 2012 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
at least not without screaming
or you rig up some sort of James O. Incandenza situation w/ it and jam yr head inside
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 27 December 2012 04:29 (eleven years ago) link
My white Swedish ex-gf got dreads after we'd been dating a few weeks and it was almost a deal-breaker. She'd lived in South Africa for about a year prior to that and almost exclusively dated Iraqis before me, so I felt uncomfortable trying to judge the racial aspect of her hair, having grown up in the American south. I did think it looked stupid and hated how it would scratch my face whenever I tried to spoon her, though.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 27 December 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
man I used to get crushed out on women with dreads. RIP the 90s
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 27 December 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Yep, remember that myself. Never actually liked the look per se, but something about those drug-connected, sexually liberated space cases always got me too.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 27 December 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
'something'
― banlieue jagger (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 December 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
how do you reconcile "I never liked the look" with "always got to me"
like, I've never been sexually attracted to camel toe and can't think of a single instance where I was like "that looks terrible but man I wish I could get me some of that toe" so I am curious how you navigated this apparent contradiction
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Friday, 28 December 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
Darragh already got it on target, IMO
― mh, Friday, 28 December 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
1. Drug-connected women.2. Sexually-liberated women.3. New-agey space cases. 4. Has dreadlocks.
A venn diagram of the aforementioned clusters would reveal that the circle depicting "has dreadlocks" is almost entirely subsumed within the overlap of circles 1, 2, and 3. While I don't like dreadlocks, they are highly correlated to the other attributes, and the most visually obvious symbol that the subject possesses the other (more important) desired attributes.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 28 December 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
in other words, 'something'
― Poliopolice, Friday, 28 December 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
are you new-agey, polio police?
― how's life, Friday, 28 December 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
"that looks terrible but man I wish I could get me some of that toe"
underrated display name ideas I have wimped out on
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 28 December 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
is associating a black hairstyle with drug use and casual sex... racist?
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Friday, 28 December 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
>are you new-agey, polio police?
I wouldn't say so, but I do find these amorphous new-agey aesthetics and philosophies fascinating.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 28 December 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/12/27/the-brooklyn-look-is-now-white/
― s.clover, Friday, 28 December 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha "aesthetics and philosophies" <-> "sex and drugs".
― s.clover, Friday, 28 December 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
That is funny, but in a way, sex+drugs genuinely is more reductive than it should be. New-agey subcultures tend to be about openness to experiences, many of which are cultural taboos. They have defiant attitudes towards work, sex, drugs, fashion, science, material want, etc. To me there's something very appealing about the countercultural desire to escape from the trappings of modern society; sex and drugs are only one facet of that.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 28 December 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
dude New Age is literally a shelf at Barnes & Noble, be more specific about what you're talking about if there's a point you have
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Friday, 28 December 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
Sex and drugs as escapism has been going on since caveman times probably.
New Age (in modern times) is more or less your standard hip/defiant/rebellious subculture that has always existed in the pop culture era, only now with authenticity, spirituality, and deepness added in for good measure. There are some good ideas in it but im of the opinion that pretty much every subculture is a fashion statement first and foremost.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 December 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
y'all are talking about hippies y/n?
― passion it person (La Lechera), Friday, 28 December 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
I had no point that I was trying to get anyone to sign off on, and was only answering questions that were being asked of me. I have no interest in justifying whatever inchoate views I have on "new age" anything, and couldn't care less that I'm not being specific about the exact Carlos Castaneda book or the sect of Reptilianism some high school druggy may or may not have joined/read/prayed to/sacrificed/engaged in tantric sex with/etc. Obviously, I'm talking about countercultural spirituality in its most generic form.
xxpost
― Poliopolice, Friday, 28 December 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, im talking about hippies. Though nowadays you could probably find ppl in this subculture that say they HATE hippies. But they are hippies.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 December 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
calling DJP out that he's never seen a camel toe he wouldn't run up on, gtfo with this autobiographical total challop nonsense
― banlieue jagger (darraghmac), Friday, 28 December 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
polio policearrest this manhis dreadlock hairdois running up on all the hot 'toe tonight
― passive-aggressive dn change (zachlyon), Friday, 28 December 2012 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
Rolling "this is poliopolice" thread
― mh, Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
I was not involved in the first 8,000 messages in this thread. thx.
― Poliopolice, Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
yet you are now its pinnacle
― the late great, Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000vF98.RMZ7Rc/s/650/kab103A.jpg
― buzza, Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
How do you have tantric sex with a book?
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Saturday, 29 December 2012 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
bibliophiles, right
― mh, Saturday, 29 December 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
Slowly?
― nickn, Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
careful not to crack the spine
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
It'd have to be one of those old-fashioned books with the alphabetical indentions on the side of the pages for me.
― pplains, Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
like an address book
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
Five hours of slow genital paper cuts just seems like a terrible time no matter how you slice it
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
really enjoying this new Cock E.S.P. box set,
Five Hours of Slow Genital Paper Cuts
― Sri Harold Klemp (crüt), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
I have no idea why that's a quote and not italics.
not new buthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=bFEoMO0pc7k
― Nhex, Monday, 31 December 2012 06:40 (eleven years ago) link
err http://youtu.be/bFEoMO0pc7k
― Nhex, Monday, 31 December 2012 06:41 (eleven years ago) link
is the state name "indiana" racist? according to wikipedia it basically just means "place with lots of indians"
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
Saw this logo the other day
http://www.ragingburrito.com/index/tribesman.gif
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
yes. yes that is racist.
― Nhex, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/01/03/oreilly-asian-people-are-not-liberal-you-know-b/192015
― mh, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
bill o'reilly is not people, you know
― I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
I think talking about a racial demographic and how they do/are something or not because it's "their nature" is racist by definition. Perhaps O'Reilly was talking about Asian cultures in general, but that's still not some homogeneous thing you can call conservative or liberal and also, I'm pretty sure he was just being racist.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, 6 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
yes, racist. p.s. fuck that guy
― Nhex, Sunday, 6 January 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Don't get why Jon Stewart plays nice with that guy, and other atrocious people like Huckabee.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, 6 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
b/c he's on television and his livelihood depends on those people and people like them being willing to come on his show
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
as he hastens to point out literally every time some interviewer tries to get him to admit he plays a serious role in the political-media landscape, he's an entertainer
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
I like Stewart as much as the next guy but I don't expect him to viciously upbraid his guests about their spittle-flecked racism or w/e while they're trying to push their book
― autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
I mean he's no Neil de Grasse Tyson.
viceroy what if you replaced "their nature" with "their culture" because in fairness to bill i think maybe that's what he means?
not sure if that's still racist or not.
― the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
no, it's still racist. asians (or any race, immigrant or not, for that matter) are not a monolithic, "good", hard-working people. it may seem odd to complain about a "positive" stereotype, but the whole deal is just another way for conservatives to put down minorities who don't fit these square peg definitions. i've heard it a million times. note how this shit goes hand in hand with lazy blacks/hispanics, sneaky Chinamen, etc (i.e. "why can't they just be one of the good ones" - the kind that don't make trouble)
this case is particularly blatant, he's not even trying to hide his confusing of how the "good Asians" are voting liberal, how perplexing
― Nhex, Sunday, 6 January 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
bill o'reilly knows zero about hawaii and what he says about "asian" nature/culture/whatever in that clip has nothing in it beyond the "they built the railroads and study hard at math" level so
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 6 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
The Asian culture
― mh, Sunday, 6 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
WAIT I THOUGHT THIS WAS ONE OF THE MINORITIES THAT DOESN'T WANT STUFF
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 6 January 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
hmm Bill O'Reilly still exists in 2013? inturrsting
― NINO CARTER, Sunday, 6 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c67.0.403.403/p403x403/3384_419198591484363_149999845_n.jpg
― Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
... not sure that race that is, some kind of alien one?
Ah, he's dressed up as one of the Three Kings. Even he seems unsure about it all.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/07/article-2258430-16C849A3000005DC-808_634x389.jpg
BONUS FACT: Guy is some sort of soccer player for "Manchester United," whatever that is.
― pplains, Monday, 7 January 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
is it racist to mock the long-held christmas traditinos of the dutch
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
not to mention O'Reilly's claim that PSY was "some fat little guy from Ying Yang" or whatever
― frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2013 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
I think he said Pyongyang, which is definitely the wrong country, but I'm going to card you for this "ying yang" thing
― mh, Monday, 7 January 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
wait'll you see my (gangnam style)
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Monday, 7 January 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
ahma beat that pyongyang uplike DAYUM
― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
tis still a bit racist methinks
― frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
also I thought the point of Flag Post was that you didn't have to tell everyone you find something distasteful
― frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
― mh, Monday, 7 January 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
TBH, and I cant believe Im in frogs corner here, some of the transcripts i saw of what Billo said did have him saying "yong yang" (not ying yang), or debate thats what he said.
http://www.spin.com/articles/bill-oreilly-gangnam-style-psy
― Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Monday, 7 January 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
Could be!
― mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
oh hey when did that other MH start writing for Spin, too? huh.
― mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
also mh the word "pyongyang" starts with a "p" which O'reilly doesn't pronounce so gtfo with that bullshit
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, January 6, 2013 2:51 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark
probably because hes just as bad as them, peace
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
☯
― mh, Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/expand-your-shopping-horizons/
― 乒乓, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
I like it when I see white ppl at asian supermarkets, I'm always so intrigued like what exactly are you gonna buy
― 乒乓, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
One thing I know for sure is that the Mexican markets seem to be the only ones that know when an avocado is actually ripe
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
on the whole I encourage white ppl to shop at asian supermarkets tho, its fun there are lots of cool snacks and ingredients and things to buy
― 乒乓, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
'Ethnic' is such a daft word in this context. Crime section aside though, I'd let it slide.
― Tullamorte Tullamore (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
Omg dayo so true. Lechera took me to an Asian market she frequents and I got lots of stuff. For one thing I KILLED that bag of seaweed crackers on the train.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
yes seaweed crackers, also scallion crackers http://i.imgur.com/XUzWz.jpg
― 乒乓, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
MOARE SEAWEED
http://www.dreamstime.com/japanese-seaweed-rice-crackers-macro-isolated-thumb13088024.jpg
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
I love Asian supermarkets but I've got to admit that I go in with a certain air of "whoa look at all this weird shit I don't understand, what the heck even is this" which, ok, is kind of racist, since we are on the looking for things to be racist thread
but also I come home with delicious foodstuffs often for cheap
― a panda, Malmö (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
i love shopping at the russian market. they've got some sweet fish stuffs there.
http://www.russianfoodmalta.com/sunshop/images/products/detail_16_skumbria1.jpg
mmm skumbria
― Mordy, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
mordy can you weigh in on whether you think this is racist: rolling off a molly thread 2013
― trey songza (some dude), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
i'm going to wait for the poll results before i make up my mind
― Mordy, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
I love asian supermarkets and always hit them when I travel as I can't get a lot of stuff where I live. I've had at least a couple times when people would stare at me while trying to decipher which exact type of pickled vegetable to buy, or tell me which brand of kecap manis is shitty and which to buy instead.
I've had a couple of older women at the checkouts actually get sort of mean, asking me if I knew what I was buying, why I was buying it, what I was going to do with it, and how the hell do I know how to cook Korean or Vietnamese food?
― joygoat, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
Gonna have to start combining this "Sriracha" sauce with some of my favorite foodstuffs! I love eating like an ethnic!
― pplains, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:04 (Yesterday)
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's true all ethnics must have sriracha sauce at every meal or else they wil die
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
for sure xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM
― tsrobodo, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
What I bought: hazelnut oil, seaweed crackers, two cans of panang curry, a kid's toy, some chili sauce that didn't have msg on the label and the label was a cool design. I would have gotten more but the lugging, the lugging.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
you probably could have gotten all that in mht ctown
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
i went into my local asian supermarket and was overwhelmed by all the stuff that i had no idea how to cook or eat, so i came out with a big sack of cheap rice, felt so fuckin white it wasn't funny
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
I know but I was on my way to Michigan!
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
Speaking of which though I need to go shopping in Ctown. Want to have soup DUMPLINGS! soon? I do.
yes there is a good place on mott, I'll be back in like a week and a half
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
You like Joe's better or the Shanghai Cafe? I like the cranky lady waitresses at the Caf.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
COURSE YOU DO
― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
God darraghmac it's like you don't even KNOW me sometimes.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
I also like the neon ceiling and the (frequently) shorter line outside the door as compared to their major competition down the street.
shanghai manor!
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
Okay I'm sold!
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
that i had no idea how to cook or eat, so i came out with a big sack of cheap rice, felt so fuckin white it wasn't funny
Damn... I know you aren't playing if you were able to feel the color of the rice.
― pplains, Friday, 11 January 2013 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 11 January 2013 01:20 (eleven years ago) link
feel like the asian-ffirmative action conversation never got off to the start it deserved
― the late great, Friday, 11 January 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
乒乓, if you see me at the grocery you can give me the token white-man high-five and I would never think you racist
― mh, Friday, 11 January 2013 04:47 (eleven years ago) link
I just love high-fives
the only shit i have ever gotten at any ethnic market is at the ethiopian market where the owner asked me how old my baby is and i was like i have no baby and then he told me that he assumed i had adopted an ethiopian babyi was like nope, no baby
his wife was nice and taught me how to make misser wat (sp?)
― bish borscht (La Lechera), Friday, 11 January 2013 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you shoudl start a new thread? I'd participate
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
been shamelessly appropriating the cultural heritage [cheap tins of chick peas &c.] of pakistani/turkish/polish/... communities from their various shops so long that I no longer even give it a thought. I hope at least that the spices are similarly reasonably-priced in hell
― ogmor, Saturday, 12 January 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
i did hear a rumour that there are no pan-asian supermarkets down in hell
on the other hand it is my personal opinion that flaki may be quite readily available
― a panda, Malmö (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 12 January 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
^yes
― how's life, Saturday, 12 January 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
"I like it when I see white ppl at asian supermarkets, I'm always so intrigued like what exactly are you gonna buy"
once saw what looked to be our middle-school teacher at an asian market? what could she be doing there? three days later we had squid dissections.
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 12 January 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
can i back us up 2 weeks?:
not black, makes doo rag work― the late great, Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:22 AM (2 weeks ago)
― the late great, Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:22 AM (2 weeks ago)
. . .
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
vitiligo
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sorry, i dont know what gets into me sometimes
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
Are we starting the asians-are-smart-deal-with-it thread yet?
― s.clover, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago) link
pryde.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
I guess you didn't go to school with asian kids of average intelligence
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sorry, i dont know what gets into me sometimes― the late great, Monday, January 14, 2013 5:29 PM (41 minutes ago)
― the late great, Monday, January 14, 2013 5:29 PM (41 minutes ago)
i'm not saying its a bad look, just asking if you're aware that yellowman is a black person with albinism?
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
I assumed that, but do you know for sure?
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
I'm a moron, it's ~the~ yellowman. going home now.
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
i am yellowman aware, yes
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
the majority of my tutoring students are asian and they seem convinced as a group that its going to hurt their chances of getting into good schools despite their diverse range of experiences
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 05:06 (eleven years ago) link
they feel as if they are competing against each other, something i certainly never felt wrt other middle middle eastern students
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 05:10 (eleven years ago) link
that is a nasty feeling that i don't think maps on to the standard angry white people narrative about experiencing affirmative action
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 05:11 (eleven years ago) link
maybe there wasn't a critical mass of middle eastern students!
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:06 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well it's statistically true
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
is it racist that I will pretty much only play pool for money against Asian people
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, probably
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
you've gotten really good at this thread xp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
Don't worry, frogs, this exact question will now be examined over the next 215 posts, names will be names, fingers will be pointed, and there will be lots of FPing.
― NINO CARTER, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
named
more like a half-dozen rad pictures of frogs
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2713/4472019014_953fdd6c38_z.jpg
beat all you assholes to it
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
ribbit.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://img0037.popscreencdn.com/132500103_-frog-behind-the-eight-ball-pool-rubber-stamp-arts-.jpg
― Influential Acid Jazz Pioneer (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
http://12.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krkcs6UPNq1qze1jro1_500.jpg
― mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
http://i1.cpcache.com/product/340712344/otc_billiards_frog_wall_calendar.jpg
― Influential Acid Jazz Pioneer (crüt), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.vnaff.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Davidwong+frog.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/oxTF8.jpg
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/286/901/4ce.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
Called USPS today to inquire on why we haven't been receiving mail. Had friends and family tell me they mailed packages etc... The woman on the phone asked for my name and I said," Teresita", and she said,"You don't sound like a Teresita." I said um, that's racist. Then she said ,"No it is not because I am Hispanic and I am just making a generalization." I just said,"Why?" She said,"You sound Anglo, I sound Anglo too."
Thought that was interesting. I just wanted an answer about my mail, took almost all day to go down the rabbit hole of USPS menus and numbers...
― *tera, Saturday, 19 January 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
USPS is turning into a black hole. I guess we should be happy most of the mail is still coming out on the other side of the wormhole.
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
it takes a certain personality to work at a post office
― mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
The post office in the UK has a reputation for being a prime organising / recruiting ground for the far right. I've never been entirely sure why.
― Tullamorte Tullamore (ShariVari), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
btw I made a new thread rolling 2013 thread on race and racism
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
nice, but still annoying that i have to C+P your name every time now, 乒乓
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
haha why?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
dude you are killing it with these essays:
I’m not with that. Not at all. I said a while back that one of the biggest parts of being black in America is being constantly reminded that you are black. That’s a clear example. Black is different, black is weird, black must be pointed out when you see it, especially when it contrasts with normal. I mean, white. It makes you feel like you don’t belong every minute of every day, like you’re an intruder in the only home you’ve ever known.
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed, I think I just read three of them after that first link.
― mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
damn it, DJP, we're on the other thread now, stop luring me back
haha I didn't even notice, oops
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
Removing the Bookmark from this Thread.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxF_ThMzRY
― how's life, Thursday, 24 January 2013 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
what, against white people?
― pplains, Thursday, 24 January 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
I was trying to indicate that Nhex needs a chinese typewriter.
― how's life, Thursday, 24 January 2013 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
I'm guessing by the classroom full of maps you're an elementary school teacher...which, frankly, makes this video completely awesome. Now do the Roger Rabbit!!
I'm going to start demanding performances from youtube contributors. I love it. "Now make your cat fall off a table! I'll check back in next week."
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 24 January 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/gl2AO-7Vlzk
I don't feel good about this video. At the very least it's insensitive/exoticizing?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
oof, yeah, that's a little off.
― :C (crüt), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see it
― Mordy, Friday, 1 February 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
It's at least partly because all the really "bad" things are happening to non-white women. Which u could argue there are reasons for (more stable/less corrupt societies, more prosperous countries, greater social equality) but those reasons themselves are based in racism/colonialism so that's not neutral ground.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
I am conflicted about that video
I agree that terrible things are happening to women out there and that something should be done to stop it
It is a little off-putting for all of the terrible things happening to women to be broken up so neatly into different ethnic groups, and particularly off-putting for the white woman's sexual harassment to be in the form of a dude touching her hair but the black women were either getting full-on raped or having their clitori removed by other black women
I didn't get the dancing at all, or perhaps more accurately I think I got the dancing but the execution was blindingly facile and poorly integrated with the intentionally provocative and upsetting portion of the film; I got more of a sense of triumph and overcoming adversity when the women cast off the victimhood imposed upon them by the scenarios than I did from the celebratory dancing, which honestly came across like a bunch of ppl having a party going "yahoo! we made it and are awesome; pull yourself up by your bootstraps out of your terrible situation and we will acknowledge you as awesome too", or to put it another way the dancing-as-celebrating-the-power-of-women metaphor would have worked much better if more effort had been made to connect the dancing women to the terrible scenarios, showing them helping the victimized women and inviting them into their circle
Actually, and this may just be me, that lack of direct connection between the happy powerful dancing sisterhood and the isolated women changing their situations single-handedly struck me as so lacking in basic empathy that it made me angry
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah what immediately jumped out at me was that it was posited as west v. nonwest
― 乒乓, Friday, 1 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
But then again why isn't the white woman getting almost-raped in an alley and some non-white woman working in a professional office job getting harassed by a colleague? Uh, women have office jobs in Asia and Africa too. It has a kind of gross "savages" subtext.
xxp Oh thank you it's not just me.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
not only that, but the framing of white vs nonwhite western women's issues got me to the point where I spent more time wondering if the battered woman was supposed to be Hispanic than I did recoiling from her situation
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of felt like the implied connection was that the praying/meditating women were sending strength to the ones being hurt in some kind of "sisters united" metaphysical way but maybe I love Buffy too much.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
Oh shit, sorry, I searched for the new racism thread but it didn't come up and this one did.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
Isn't the domestic abuse victim at ~0:26 white/western?
― Mordy, Friday, 1 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
these kinds of exhortations always make me feel conflicted because on the one hand I do believe in values that I feel should be universal, but otoh advocating hard for these values can, if not done carefully, impinge on the cultural sovereignty of the people you're trying to help and should, if possible, happen or involve their own agency? otherwise it's a lil' too much White Saviour Bringing Culture and Salvation
― 乒乓, Friday, 1 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
In Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, V-Day commits ongoing support to build movements and anti-violence networks. Working with local organizations, V-Day provided hard-won funding that helped open the first shelters for women in Egypt and Iraq; sponsored annual workshops and three national campaigns in Afghanistan; convened the "Confronting Violence" conference of South Asian women leaders; and donated satellite-phones to Afghan women to keep lines of communication open and action plans moving forward. V-Day was instrumental in the founding of Karama, a program working in Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon that works to build upon and strengthen efforts to end violence against women by bringing together local women's organizations and other civil society groups in collaboration, analysis and advocacy at national, regional and international levels.
I would really like to like them, it just seems like an oddly oblivious video for an organization like this one.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 1 February 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
"yahoo! we made it and are awesome; pull yourself up by your bootstraps out of your terrible situation and we will acknowledge you as awesome too"
yeah this is how it came across to me too.
― :C (crüt), Friday, 1 February 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
i'm with crut dayo and orbit here; seems pretty tasteless and tone deaf
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 February 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
there's already been a response apparently with the offset of https://twitter.com/POCRisingthat video is by eve ensler, eh?
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 February 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRhkrHxSf6I
― abcfsk, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
is this racist or just 100% terrible
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
is this creepy?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beautiful-Interracial-Pregnancy/244114675611286
― DavidM, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
ugh no doubt it's creepy in a fetishy way
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
guessing somewhere in this thread's eight billion posts is an example of "interracial couples = racism is over omg u brave souls"
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
Did you seriously just have to ask if that was creepy? Do you have eyes? Can they read words?
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
It appears to be just a bunch of selfies. This would be less creepy if it were a pr0n website.
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 18 April 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link
there's a sentence I never expected to read
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 18 April 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
but true!
― Nhex, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
but is fetishizing race in that way racist? i think it is, because it hypostatizes racial difference and also objectifies people as sexual "types."
― lemoncholia, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
it's gross. enough for me.
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:39 (ten years ago) link
fair enough. i think it's also racist though.
― lemoncholia, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
this thread had some discussion of that topic: Best Arguments for Miscegenation: The Biracial Hotties Thread
― some dude, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
Just the thread title cracks me up a little.
― pplains, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
Arguments Against: "I'm racist," "I have antiquated views on things," "Child will have more boxes to tick on survey forms"
Arguments in Favor: THEY'RE HOTTIES.
― pplains, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
sexy blonde impregnated with superior black seed.
― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
jesus.
― lemoncholia, Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah the profile picture of that page is kinda... troubling...
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link
there's some weird, creepy racial cuckold fantasy stuff in the comments too
― charlie 4chan, internet detective (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
racist, but also a sex thing
― fucking Telstra (silby), Friday, 19 April 2013 06:59 (ten years ago) link
racism: it makes some ppl horny
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 April 2013 11:56 (ten years ago) link
http://imgur.com/gallery/1IoM5AK
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
uhh
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link
http://imgur.com/gallery/Qd95kbP
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link
that link ^ was in the comments, no idea of its veracity
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
well one of those two links looks more like a shoop
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
Here's how I saw it this morning:
http://i.imgur.com/0MMzzLQ.gif
― pplains, Thursday, 25 April 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link
whatever happened to Summer Glau...
― Nhex, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link
A friend of mine who teaches kindergarten in Texas recently attended a mandatory teaching seminar hosted by the school. After one of the workshops all the teachers were given complimentary dolls.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link
uhoh
― brony orlando (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link
Texas
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:59 (ten years ago) link
http://products.lakeshorelearning.com/learning/Multicultural-Puppets
http://www.lakeshorelearning.com/media/images/logo.gif
― brony orlando (crüt), Friday, 26 April 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link
I have to admit I was impressed to see "Ghanaian" and "Nigerian" puppets instead of "African"
low bar
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 April 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
Puppet play becomes a multicultural experience with this adorable Mexican girl! The plush puppet features an authentically detailed outfit…plus a movable mouth and arms that are easy for small hands to control.
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 26 April 2013 01:02 (ten years ago) link
http://angerbanjo.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/gobfranklin.jpg
― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Friday, 26 April 2013 02:12 (ten years ago) link
When did GOB hook up with a Navajo?
― pplains, Friday, 26 April 2013 02:28 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/AIyFBOz.jpg?1
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 9 May 2013 07:42 (ten years ago) link
Red Bull is responsible for that crap.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 9 May 2013 09:04 (ten years ago) link
you in Vienna too, TWU?
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 9 May 2013 09:21 (ten years ago) link
Very nearby.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 9 May 2013 09:48 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxW1bI5H70I
― there is no special cathexis with mini fried donuts (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 9 May 2013 13:19 (ten years ago) link
BLACK POWER.AFRO COFFEE eine Hymne an die Seele Afrikas.
Die Zeit ist reif für ein neues Bild von Afrika, das nichts mehr mit kitschiger Touristenfolklore und überkommenen Klischees zu tun hat. AFRO COFFEE hat es sich zum Ziel gesetzt, der Welt dieses Bild zu zeigen.
― there is no special cathexis with mini fried donuts (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 9 May 2013 13:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, they talk a nice game, but it's Didi Mateschitz and his marketing crew out of Salzburg. Really, really sleazy.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 9 May 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
The coffee is not certified Fair Trade and they don't say where it's grown other than that it's certified organic. All smoke and mirrors using the sort of benevolent racist imagery that sophisticated Eurolefties love.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 9 May 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link
No more clichés about Africa *shows drawings of black ppl in 70s gear and Afros*
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 13:43 (ten years ago) link
not racist but HOLY SHIT at the ad paired with this story on washingtonpost.com
http://imageshack.us/a/img259/7753/71777808.jpg
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 13 May 2013 05:32 (ten years ago) link
i don't really understand how ads work, but that's by design right? like that ad was placed in stories with "cornfield" as a keyword or?
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Monday, 13 May 2013 05:56 (ten years ago) link
as I understand it Monsanto personally hand-selects which stories they're running their ads with
― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 13 May 2013 08:38 (ten years ago) link
it's the artisanal side of big ag
― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 13 May 2013 08:39 (ten years ago) link
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
if you like the aryan nation you'll LOVE gm food!
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 04:12 (ten years ago) link
And you thought anal rapist was bad.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3749/371c22840a404497ac15ab4.png
That would come courtesy of one Dom Passantino, U.K.
― pplains, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link
oh dear
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link
heavens
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link
Do we get pics on Tuesday?
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
Monday's niggers are full of grace.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
I had my doubts since I couldn't find any trace of that tweet anywhere.
However, this is what they posted afterward:
http://i.imgur.com/iMvNRh0.png
The biggest question of all is: Why the hell would someone in Ireland drink Coors Light? Water tap's broken?
― pplains, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
what's susan boyle got to do with this?
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
oh nevermindhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/56115b4a2103ca1143d26583e3ce40e9/tumblr_mmr7d3B2p01s5ta5lo1_500.jpg
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
I don't understand how you type out #mondaysniggers, read what you wrote, and think "looks good! *submit*"
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
tbf, u just did
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah but I'm a giant racist
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:36 (ten years ago) link
feel like there's a whole nursery rhyme that goes with that now
― goole, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
I wouldn't.
― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
half suspect that susan boyle deal was a PR having a laugh
― goole, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
'avin' a laff, i should say
maybe even a larff
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
oi dat's an anal bump der innit
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
I often wonder why someone anywhere would drink Coors Light.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
^ fair enough. You got to really be thirsty in Atlanta.
Snigger. I don't even feel right typing that word. We always said snicker anyway.
― pplains, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
why Atlanta?
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokey_and_the_Bandit
― ḉrut (crüt), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
i love coors light
― gr8080, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
I drank the shit out of some Coors back in high school. I'll still rank it above Budweiser.
― pplains, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
savages
― the late great, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
My schoolMy beerMy Coors Light, Coors Light, Coors Light, Coors LightCoors Light, Coors Light, Coors Light, Coors Light
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
drinking coors light, everybody will be dancing tonight
― ḉrut (crüt), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
silver bullet of diarrhea
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RIESLING (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
access to coors light is the unifying principle behind all my father-in-law's hobbies
― joygoat, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link
I honestly don't know if I've ever had Coor's Light. I mean surely I must have at some point but yeah.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link
the only time I've enjoyed drinking Coors Lite was on a private beach in Puerto Rico
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
Pretty sure I'd enjoy drinking pretty much anything on a private beach in Puerto Rico.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link
If Irishmen are drinking Coors Light, I hope they're drinking them in tawdry "American Bars" that are just as tacky as the "Irish Pubs" we have around here.
― pplains, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
crossing an ocean wipes away a lot though, right?. folks in countries on the other side of the north atlantic are horrified USians drink amstel light like it's a classy beer, i thought.
― goole, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link
stella is the classiest
― the late great, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 21:10 (ten years ago) link
yeah that too!
― goole, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
Good ol classy wife beater
― Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/15/new-orleans-shooting-not-national-news
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
i remember horrible twenty yo irish dudes ordering bud in proper pubs like and grinning as if they'd just gotten champagne for everyone and i hated them, and then i looked at my guinness and felt like a tourist
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 16 May 2013 05:00 (ten years ago) link
Is tar baby a racist phrase?
― now is not the time for motorboating (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
etymologically, it refers to a figure made of tar, which some sort of folktale figure (Bre'r Rabbit? Anansi? both?) punched and then got stuck to.
But it sure does sound racist.
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Thursday, 23 May 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
weird site don
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 May 2013 22:58 (ten years ago) link
1. jesus christ yes "tar baby" is a fucking racist term wtf why is this even a question2. this:
This isn't the first time Politico's Romano has used racially-coded language on MSNBC. In March, in the heat of the gun control debate, Romano attacked NRA spokesman Wayne LaPierre as a "tired old white guy."
is some all time moving the goal posts shit in that article
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 May 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link
what is "tired old white guy" code for
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 May 2013 23:28 (ten years ago) link
NRA spokesman
― klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:53 (ten years ago) link
i remember horrible twenty yo irish dudes ordering bud in proper pubs like and grinning
My people!
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 24 May 2013 05:34 (ten years ago) link
http://elitedaily.com/sports/the-dumbest-college-athletes-of-all-time/
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
Yes it is racist, and I am a bad person for having clicked that link.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
ty for clicking though, now I know I don't have to
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
Can't tell you you're welcome, too busy showering myself for ever and never feeling clean again.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
theres a whole elite daily thread full of choice content which u are now obliged to read
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
took one for the team
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
http://oi43.tinypic.com/igmdex.jpg
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Sunday, 16 June 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
In any other city, that would probably fly.
― pplains, Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
You know what they say - white on the outside, watermelon in the middle.
http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/the-exchange/a660c63f-da14-4ab7-9afa-511d389014d9_Watermelon-Oreos-Flickr2.gif
― pplains, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
i would probably eat that
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
looks like it's sticking out its tongue
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
I cannot stand "watermelon." Would love to know what the industrial name for that flavor is.
― pplains, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
Yellow on the outside, gay in the middle.
i have a controversial opinion: golden oreos are 100x better than regular oreos
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
COOKIE-IST
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link
i'ma go buy a thing of those oreos, unless this thread determines them to be racist
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
there's nothing racist about the delcious flavor of watermelon
― PappaWheelie on the zeitgeist (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link
watermelon juice, now that's what's up
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link
i think i could probably eat an entire watermelon in one day, perhaps even one sitting... but i'd probably have to tether myself to the bathroom for at least 8 hours afterwards
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
Watermelon is one of those "is it worth the effort" fruits.
― pplains, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link
and the answer is almost always "YES, GOD YES"
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link
It's too messy!
I like it when someone has cut it up and taken out the seeds though. Then it's pretty good.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
Sometimes the mess is fun but it's sort of an eat it outside only fruit for me because it's just too juicy and gets everywhere. Yes, I am five.
Also, are those Oreos real?
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link
No part of those Oreos have been within a mile of a watermelon or any part of a watermelon, until they reach a grocery store and are shelved within 100 yards of the produce dept.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
watermelon oreos seriously what the everloving fuck is even happening
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sectionfront/life/flavored-uk-kitkats-leave-nestle-with-bad-taste-440881/
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
Flavored KitKat bars launched in the U.K. in 2004 and 2005 and later discontinued:-- Blood Orange-- Christmas Pudding-- Dark Chocolate-- Lemon & Yogurt-- Lime Crush-- Mango & Passionfruit-- Red Berry-- Seville Orange-- Strawberries & Cream-- White Chocolate
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Just wait for the Clamato Kit Kat Bloody Mary package.
― pplains, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:24 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
pro tip: watermelon slices suck, they are messy. here's what you do instead: get one of the seedless kinds, more expensive but totally worth it. cut it in half. using a long knife, make cuts so that you cross section it up, like a tic tac toe board. use a big spoon to scoop out each chunk. you end up with these huge watermelon chunks that you can eat out of a bowl and when you bite into a really juicy one (if the melon's good) it's basically like heaven
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
watermelons are supposed to be messy. just like ribs.
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
Thank you for pro-tip.
I would eat most of those Kits or at least try them. They're not even that compared to the ones in Japan. Have you see some of those?
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
OH MAN I NEED THESE IN MY LIFE
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Kit-Kat-Yatsuhashi-Chocolate/dp/B00859NSHA
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
Would try all of these including Red Bean and Wasabit but those watermelon oreos still look gross as hell:
http://kotaku.com/5983276/15-flavors-of-japanese-kit-kats-the-snacktaku-review
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Wasabi, even
my friend brought me back some green tea kit kats, they were.. . ... okay
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I've heard similar from other people. Still want to try them. Now all I can think about are the cinammon cookie ones though. Damn. Also, purple sweet potato!
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
Japanese Kit-Kats rule
another watermelon pro-tip: buy a smaller melon, cut in half, scoop out luscious watermelon balls with an ice cream scoop
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
i like putting salt on my watermelon
― Mordy , Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
i like putting salt on your mom's watermelon
― ttyih boi (crüt), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
*giggle*
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:22 (ten years ago) link
so Paula Deen
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link
see the Paula Deen thread
Also do we need to ask if someone answering the question "have you ever used the word 'nigger'?" with "Yes, of course" is racist? Is that where we are as a society?
― DJP, Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link
there's a paula deen thread?
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link
Paula Deen appreciation thread
― DJP, Thursday, 20 June 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link
i was hoping that would end with a 'there's a paula deen now?'
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 24 June 2013 04:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/06/27/196210549/MOSCATO
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 27 June 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
That's believable, especially if you listen to hip-hop. As long I can remember, some rapper has been name-dropping some type of alcohol in his or her song. For a while it was the champagne, Cristal. I distinctly remember the liquer, Hypnotiq, being big when I was in college. Ciroc vodka is trending a bit right now. But moscato has trumped them all.
dude has his finger on the pulse
― Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 June 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/DrLwyrIndnChf/status/350370398619181056
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 27 June 2013 22:32 (ten years ago) link
linking for the convo that tweet inspired, not the tweet itself. bc lol
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 27 June 2013 22:33 (ten years ago) link
imo, article is not racist. it is describing trends based on factual research.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 27 June 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
perhaps replying with "the people of color that I talked to" was not the best way to phrase his response
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 27 June 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link
nm I see that he himself is black.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 27 June 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link
without weighing in on racist/not racist, one thing we can be sure of is that it's a really really dumb fluff piece
― Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 June 2013 23:06 (ten years ago) link
idk about "racist" but its a good case study in how to frame a piece: "is moscato a gateway wine for poc?" raises way more "read this for racism" warning flags than "rappers boost a varietal"
― max, Friday, 28 June 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
"If we could build a time machine and go listen to a Drake song three, four years from now, I would be willing to bet you that he's long since moved on from moscato and he's singing to his girlfriend about Napa cabernet or burgundy or something like that."
lol @ this thought experiment
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Saturday, 29 June 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
possibly worst use of a theoretical time machine ever
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 June 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:44 (ten years ago) link
At no point did they question whether thunderbird counts as a white wine and whether moscato is like an upscale thunderbird
― mh, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link
This popped up my Twitter feed and I was instantly reminded of that "Kill Whitey" parties thread:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1005721_203495573137435_2050069488_n.jpg
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 09:57 (ten years ago) link
"Shacklewell Arms"
― nickn, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:42 (ten years ago) link
Oh dear.
Shacklewell's a part of Dalston. You should go to Bristol, home of Whiteladies' Road and Blackboy Hill.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:00 (ten years ago) link
somehow that comes off a lot less bad to me than the "kill whitey" parties. I guess the fried chicken part is a little iffy, but otherwise nothing about that seems more cartoonish than "party hip-hop" itself
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
Suzy, we have a Black Boy Lane in Tottenham.
― my eventual wife (stevie), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:49 (ten years ago) link
I photographed a sign somewhere I think in Virginia or West Virginia for a geographic feature of some kind known as "Blacks Run"
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:51 (ten years ago) link
http://yeoldeblackboy.weebly.com/
good pub tbf
― for many people a really special folder makes a huge difference (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 22:00 (ten years ago) link
http://www.gadling.com/2009/01/26/chinks-peak-in-idaho-gets-a-name-change-in-time-for-chinese-new-y/
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 22:02 (ten years ago) link
More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clvOl_Kz5xg
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 July 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link
http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/fright214.jpg
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 8 July 2013 14:41 (ten years ago) link
― big black nemesis, Puya chilensis (DJP), Monday, 8 July 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
guilty lol
― 乒乓, Monday, 8 July 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Racism unintended, says editor-in-chief, but it's hard to believe no one caught it. It occurred to me almost immediately after passing the newspaper box on the way to the gym last night.
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 8 July 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
ok I'll admit that went over my head. I had to read the article to see what everyone else was seeing.
― chinavision!, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
although I def thought that was an embarrassing pun
― chinavision!, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
OOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh
― pplains, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
I thought this was posted more about 2 deaths in San Francisco taking precedence over just another Chicagoan shot dead.
― pplains, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
I thought that it was playing off that stereotype of airplanes being shot up on the west side.
― chinavision!, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Has anyone ever before used the Fright/Flight pun to describe a plane crash though? I mean, all plane crashes could be characterized as scary.
― how's life, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
it beats me of course, but if I really wanted to speculate about why "fright" could have been applied in an innocent manner in this case, I would guess it's because most people survived? I guess you wouldn't say that a flight that crashed in the ocean with no survivors was quite a fright.or is that poor reasoning? I don't know really.
― chinavision!, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
let's change "innocent" to "naive," because, honestly, that's a stupid headline anyway
― chinavision!, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
Oh, I totally missed that
― Nhex, Monday, 8 July 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
seems like half the job of headline writers for tabloids is coming up with eye-catching puns. coming up with a fresh line is probably a feather in one's cap, even if it's borderline incoherent.
― twerking for obvious reasons (contenderizer), Monday, 8 July 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
I can def see how the headline writer's attention could have been fixed on the rhyming play on words to the exclusion of seeing the racist connection between changing "flight" to "fright" and the fact it was a Korean airliner. That's where it comes in handy to have a lot of eyes engaged before a paper goes to print.
― Aimless, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
well it's at least a little more innocuous than "chink in the armor"
― frogbs, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
that's true but.. still not good
― Nhex, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link
Fright of the Careener
― pplains, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
Me too, especially since I had just read a tweet to the same effect.
― Je55e, Monday, 8 July 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 8 July 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link
xp yeah, that's what i was thinking!
― Nhex, Monday, 8 July 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
well thinking it through, using 'fright' to describe an incident where two people died and the roof of the airplane was tore off and it literally cartwheeled on the tarmac is a little underselling the story
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link
It was, however, an Asian flight!
― mh, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 00:16 (ten years ago) link
Ugh: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/us/paula-deens-soul-sister-portrays-an-unequal-bond.html
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:18 (ten years ago) link
With the Black Boy pub on it (if it's till there)
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link
That was pretty cool of Paula Deen to create a retirement plan for $10/hr employees. Bet they had lots of money to contribute to it.
― carlos danger zone (mh), Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:42 (ten years ago) link
She also helped fix the floor of her trailer.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 July 2013 13:04 (ten years ago) link
I'm visiting my rural, red rednecky hometown and heard a station promo thing on one of the classic rock stations that said "four out of five rappers agrees that our music is better than theirs" with a long Flavor Flav "yeaaaahhhhh boy" sample at the end, instantly thought about this thread.
― joygoat, Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link
our classic rock station plays these horrible racist promos that are like "would you rather listen to... THIS?" *plays clip of Inner Circle "Bad Boys"* "...or THIS?" *plays clip of Steve Miller Band* "We thought so too!"
― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link
What a weird choice -- I don't think I'd even bat an eye if a classic rock station played "bad boys"
― PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
Trying to think of any radio format that would play "Bad Boys" as part of a regular non-ironic rotation.
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:46 (ten years ago) link
haha otm, "Bad Boys" could easily be a Steve Miller song
and yes they actually used Inner Circle as an example. occasionally they'll use an actual modern radio rap track but for the most part it's just "Who Let The Dogs Out?" type shit. it is ALWAYS music by black artists, though.
― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Occurred to me the other day what an odd ironic signifier "Electric Avenue" has become, given it's about the Brixton riots.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
The other day at the playground this kind of weird, chubby burnout-looking dad was at the playground with his toddler daughter and her friend, and he was singing with them while he pushed them in the stroller, and one of the songs they did was Fly Like an Eagle. It was pretty cuet.
― PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
yeah, these belong in the "yup definitely racist" ongoing thread
― Nhex, Thursday, 25 July 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
It is weird that I've heard classic rock stations play the same promos against country music, but they always use some generic, exaggerated twangy song about a dead dog - not any real artists, not even someone like Ray Stevens. And yet I've also heard these rap and "pop" ads with actual [black] artists used too.
Though now that I've given it a second's more of thought, perhaps that's a good thing that classic rock stations aren't creating their own rap parodies for these breaks.
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
"would you rather listen to... THIS?" *plays clip of Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On"*...or THIS?" *plays clip of Steve Miller Band* "We thought so too!"
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
what if you like everything but country and rap?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 July 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link
Don't you mean "country and (c)rap?"
― nickn, Thursday, 25 July 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link
ironically those classic rock stations are probably owned by the same conglomerates that own the hip-hop stations
― PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Thursday, 25 July 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
waht if u only like country and rap
― 'Understand, your daughter's addiction is not your problem' (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 25 July 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
come live in atlanta
― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
Wonder what artist/song combo I would use if had to make a race-baiting 'we all hate rrrrraaap, right?' trailer.
― 'Understand, your daughter's addiction is not your problem' (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 25 July 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
Would you rather listen to this: *plays clip of "Fack"* or THIS: *plays clip of "Cult of Personality"*We thought so, too!
― "Post-Oven" (DJP), Thursday, 25 July 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
tbf one of the promos did feature Jimi Hendrix for the classic rock clip
― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
Schoolboy error, bet that intern was moved on quick.
― 'Understand, your daughter's addiction is not your problem' (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 25 July 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
C'mon, Hendrix is the offical "proves we're not racist" artist for classic rock stations.
― nickn, Thursday, 25 July 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
See also: Beastie Boys on alt-rock stations.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 July 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
Eric Burdon & War
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link
Stevie Ray Vaughn's cover of "Superstitious"
Dobie Gray - see, now there's a black artist we play.
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link
Thin Lizzy? No, we're talking about black musicians, not Irish.
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link
Do what now?
Beastie Boys on alt-rock stations makes them seem more racist, not less
― Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:35 (ten years ago) link
RIP Jurassic 5
― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:35 (ten years ago) link
Love would count too except none of the listeners know that Arthur Lee was black.
― nickn, Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link
I've said it elsewhere, possibly already in this thread, but it used to drive me nuts that the classic rock station I worked at would play the Blues Brothers' "Soul Man", but not the Sam & Dave version.
You could argue that hey, it's a classic rock station, in which case I'd ask then why the fuck are we playing the Blues Brothers?
― pplains, Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:49 (ten years ago) link
xp: I have never heard of a classic rock radio station that plays Love.
― how's life, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
Maybe they're the "proves we're not racist" artist for indie record stores...
― how's life, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
what does J5 have to do with all this
― Nhex, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link
that was the last "hip-hop" I remember getting played on alt-rock radio
― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link
i had no idea they were even played on the radio
― Nhex, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:50 (ten years ago) link
At least one of the classic rock stations in LA plays Love. (100.3, "The Source")
― nickn, Friday, 26 July 2013 00:25 (ten years ago) link
Not heavy rotation, but still.
― nickn, Friday, 26 July 2013 00:26 (ten years ago) link
ILXors lining up to name all the black rock musicians they know definitely proves that classic rock radio stations are racist
― Does the RS Tsarnaev Cover Offend You, Yeah? (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 July 2013 00:54 (ten years ago) link
Electric Light Orchestra's "Roll Over Beethovern"
― pplains, Friday, 26 July 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link
That one guy from the Doobie Brothers.
― pplains, Friday, 26 July 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
The Beatles with Billy Preston
― pplains, Friday, 26 July 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
Rolling Stones "Harlem Shuffle"
― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Friday, 26 July 2013 00:59 (ten years ago) link
bill clinton on arsenio
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Friday, 26 July 2013 02:18 (ten years ago) link
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/102806/country-or-rap.gif
no frisson left here for liking big & rich: this is ilx country
― maven with rockabilly glasses (Matt P), Friday, 26 July 2013 02:21 (ten years ago) link
Playing the Blues Brothers "Soul Man" instead of Sam & Dave is one of my greatest peeves! It's such an inferior version! And it's totally racist!
― Dan I., Friday, 26 July 2013 04:13 (ten years ago) link
Haha, swear to god I used to backsell it as "And we started things off with The Blues Brothers and their inferior version of 'Soul Man". Coming up, Steve Miller, Heart and Billy Squier..."
― pplains, Friday, 26 July 2013 04:19 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/mvoYVEOl.jpg
― polyphonic, Monday, 29 July 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
hoo boy. stylin' and profilin' indeed!
― Nhex, Monday, 29 July 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
okay, that got a very guilty lol out of me. Poor Clyde.
― sassy, fun, and RELATABLE (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 July 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
oh shit
― clique- your heels, together (darraghmac), Monday, 29 July 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
http://nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/racist.png
I get the feeling that if a white kid had told the interviewer his favorite band was One Direction, it wouldn't have been spelled like that.
But maybe the ESPN producer was old and tired, I don't know.
― pplains, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 01:08 (ten years ago) link
they should provide an infographic comparing japan and pennsylvania in different categories
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 01:10 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's a One Direction tribute band.
― nickn, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 01:16 (ten years ago) link
I may never recover from Wandai Wrection
― THE WORINÐLVE (DJP), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 02:22 (ten years ago) link
better than Owned Erection i suppose
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 02:39 (ten years ago) link
consult a doctor if it lasts longer than four hours
― carlos danger zone (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 02:43 (ten years ago) link
o lord
― sassy, fun, and RELATABLE (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
that was my forks-style joke I am glad you like it
― carlos danger zone (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 13:54 (ten years ago) link
I was o lording at the op but i liked yours as well
― sassy, fun, and RELATABLE (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 14:07 (ten years ago) link
I saw the introductory bit on ESPN and it's surprising how many of them name Yu Darvish as their favorite player. Not a single mention of Ichiro. I tell ya, the kids these days.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
Wandai Wrection
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 15:42 (ten years ago) link
When 1D first came together the Twitterati called them WAND ERECTION.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
oh
― dale cthulhu (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 12 August 2013 02:38 (ten years ago) link
my god
― dale cthulhu (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 12 August 2013 03:20 (ten years ago) link
This is all sorts of fabulous.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 12 August 2013 04:05 (ten years ago) link
dear rolling "Is This Racist?" thread
every time i have heard someone quote will smith's most memorable line in "independence day", 1. it has always been a white person and 2. they always say "welcome to earf." or "welcome to urf." or "welcome to erf." i've seen it stylized many different ways.
i watched "independence day" on the TBS a couple nights ago for probably the first time since it was in theaters, and, to my surprise, the line is not "welcome to earf" at all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPWpEKhgfk
like that isn't even close. i just thought you should know.
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:44 (ten years ago) link
there's a heavy exhalation after the t tbf
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
i think this is probably v common when -- i dunno, non-black people or just people who don't speak AAVE -- quote black ppl who speak AAVE. entirely standard pronunciations are transformed. it's like the old white man who seriously thinks young black men say "yo" multiple times every sentence, except it's really just young people rapping along with their favorite kanye song and making him sound less suburban
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:50 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:57 (ten years ago) link
to be fair, he does punch out an alien
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link
had never heard of the mcgurk effect ty for that
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.thewhitefacelodge.com/
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 23 August 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
well I know what I'm putting on if I ever visit there
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
swim trunks?
― YOU FOOLS PAY OVER $2.50 for a comic book (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
and a cap!
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link
http://oi43.tinypic.com/15me9ti.jpg
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:33 (ten years ago) link
it doesn't help that it looks like she's laughing into a cellphone
― Ottworks SKG (stevie), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
and that it looks like a mashup of two stock photos
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 23:00 (ten years ago) link
Is it racist that a white Pitchfork writer asks a black rapper "Chicken or shrimp?"
http://pitchfork.com/features/guest-lists/9217-2-chainz/
― Vinetalic - "My Friend Terio" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link
iirc doesn't the cookbook included in the CD version have both recipes for chicken and shrimp?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:39 (ten years ago) link
real question is does it have recipes for BEEF
― beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
i think it's mostly chicken and shrimp and veggies
― Vinetalic - "My Friend Terio" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
I think one has a sausage though
2 chainz has a cookbook now?
― One burly voice screamed and that was one of many. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 September 2013 02:52 (ten years ago) link
did u ghostwrite this whiney? u can tell us.
i have a serious "is this racist?" entry for discussion:
can we talk about the rick owens ss14 women's show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOn6HLx0YHM
― your authentic guitar playing self (elmo argonaut), Monday, 7 October 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
is this a demonstration of radically inclusive diversity, both in terms of race and body type? or is this an illustration of racist tropes about black aggression conceived as a type of shocking, antagonistic "anti-beauty"? can it be both these things? I've read versions of both takes in the past week. what's going on?
fwiw i support these models / dancers and think they are amazing, i am not criticizing their participation one bit, but i am extremely skeptical of owens' motivations in using them
anyway
― your authentic guitar playing self (elmo argonaut), Monday, 7 October 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
I can't watch the whole thing due to Youtube being a dick right now, but the little bit I did see basically makes it seem like the type of context juxtaposition Tyra wishes she could do on ANTM but can't because the women she casts aren't capable of that type of show.
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Monday, 7 October 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
I think Rick Owens is one of the 'good guys' and I totally LOLed at the one white dancer as comment on who usually walks in Paris Fashion Week...
...HOWEVER, there was a lot of self-congratulation in the reactions of white, skinny fashion people following the show which made black colleagues of mine do a little sickie to themselves, especially if the people banging on about how amazing this was were not exactly known for creating opportunities for people of colour at work. They're annoyed by any example of Fashion Shows How Much It Cares, whether it's representation or pretending to give a shit about poor people, because in the context of the industry today, black people are used in the show/editorial context to make powerful white people feel better about themselves. Two of my colleagues are amongst the most eminent black people in the fashion industry (one's a fashion director, the other is a beauty director) and the former feels he still has to spell out to brands he works with and publishers how much people of colour spend on fashion, and how much the marketplace needs to reflect that. There was also a debate on a stylist friend's Facebook page where a black blogger linked to by her was castigated by an angry fashion gay for being 'Midwestern' because the blogger noticed the power dynamic Elmo mentioned, so we all piled on him because his go-to was basically 'what does this bitch even know about fashion?' About half the comments (from a diversity of people) said it was a great way to zhuzh up an otherwise mediocre collection, not Owens' best.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Monday, 7 October 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
I love Rick Owens, but his shows haven't been the most diverse. He's not exactly JPG when it comes to his casting.
Your comment reminded me of PPQ doing that show with all black models that one season (which got them a lot of attention) & immediately reverting to the usual 95% white casting the very next season.
― gyac, Monday, 7 October 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
rad as hell
― pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Monday, 7 October 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
and yeah, nice cover for an iffy collection
Another stylist friend got into shitloads of bother a few years ago when a designer decided a day or two before the show to cast heavier models in the name of diversity. My friend, who is Asian and did not have a problem with this concept, nevertheless quit because the stupid production designer didn't think 'wait a minute, maybe it would be an idea to put the models in non-sample size underwear and clothes' and after friend's departure, wound up sending the larger-sized models out in too-tight underwear and sample knits. These poor women looked wrong and the production designer tried to blame my friend for dropping them in the shit while congratulating herself and the designer for deigning to include these women.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Monday, 7 October 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link
not Rick Owens fault but Jesus:
"They came onto the stage stomping their feet, beating their chests, snarling their lips and growling like wild, wonderful beasts..." - Wallpaper
― brio, Monday, 7 October 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Monday, 7 October 2013 20:36 (ten years ago) link
― your authentic guitar playing self (elmo argonaut), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link
i mean there was a lot of mean-mugging sure but "wild wondrous beasts" woah woah woah what
― your authentic guitar playing self (elmo argonaut), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
its pretty radical just that the models are moving and doing so much. i like this show, but the critiques and concerns expressed above are otm too
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 00:07 (ten years ago) link
Hopefully those not on academic networks can read this:http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6154/60.full
Science journalist (ie the high impact journal Science) writes a paper based on falsified data & submits to a number of pay-to-publish journals in order to expose poor peer-review processes at these journals. There was a lot that I found questionable about this whole exercise, but this stood out:
The fictitious authors are affiliated with fictitious African institutions. I generated the authors, such as Ocorrafoo M. L. Cobange, by randomly permuting African first and last names harvested from online databases, and then randomly adding middle initials. For the affiliations, such as the Wassee Institute of Medicine, I randomly combined Swahili words and African names with generic institutional words and African capital cities. My hope was that using developing world authors and institutions would arouse less suspicion if a curious editor were to find nothing about them on the Internet.
― badg, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
What I found most depressing was that Aline Noutcha didn't have a credit card. Nigeria is hardly the poorest of African countries. Also, pay to publish?! Really?
― The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that's becoming standard practice these days for open access journals
― badg, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
Should also add that paying to make your paper open access is also a common option for high impact journals.
― badg, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link
Weird business model...
― The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
Scientists want their work to be widely available. Publishers want $$$$$ for the doubtless valuable service they provide. Paid-for open access does make a kind of sense if you buy into the idea that commercial academic publishers should exist in the first place.
― Luigi Nono, le petit robot, actually (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link
http://www.suntimes.com/23168076-418/chicago-man-to-harvard-pay-me-more-for-rare-documents-or-ill-burn-them.html
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link
i feel like if he had gone public with his statement about harvard's insulting offer and wanting his kids to go to college with the money, that that would have been powerful enough to shame them into increasing the offer without the threat of destroying the documents. harvard's offer does seem pathetic.
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link
http://blackinasia.tumblr.com/post/64363259939/one-of-my-followers-asked-me-to-post-this-on-their
― cozen, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 10:51 (ten years ago) link
Good lord, her post in defense of her Africa-themed party has this gem "If anything this was to celebrate the amazing country and people."
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
Had no idea the Klan had made it to Africa.
― pplains, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
that's a ghost costume
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
I do like her little "how could I, I never" apology in the face of the picture of the Klan costume with a dude who was in the picture commenting underneath it "only a little racist, lol"; like, try a little harder ffs
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
I can't even
― old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
i want to go teach english in the beautiful country of africa
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link
bullseye
― mh, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 20:22 (ten years ago) link
Jesus Christ. That's..... next level
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 09:41 (ten years ago) link
The Pan-African dream lives!
― In times of osterity, these Eton-educated poshboys (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 09:44 (ten years ago) link
http://covers.openlibrary.org/w/id/6824041-M.jpg
― In times of osterity, these Eton-educated poshboys (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 09:48 (ten years ago) link
Shopping while black: http://nypost.com/2013/10/22/barneys-busted-student-for-being-black-suit/
Good on him for telling the store to shove their merchandise afterwards.
― My question is primarily riparian (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 12:36 (ten years ago) link
Why would he keep it?
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:04 (ten years ago) link
another article on it: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/barneys-accused-stealing-black-teen-article-1.1493101
If the cashier claimed it was a fake credit card, the only conclusions I reach are that they're either hella incompetent or racist, or most likely both. I've seen fake credit cards w/ a legit card number on them, during the brief year I worked in retail - most of them that a 19-year old would use are very crude and easy to spot, especially on the back. And I'm fairly sure they see no shortage of Chase cards in that place, to know what they're supposed to look like. Plus, couldn't the cashier have run the same check that the cops did? Since Trayon was there, I'm fairly sure all he'd have had to do was give permission to verify the account.
dude's only crime is being a Juelz Santana fan, but nobody should go to jail for that! fuck Barneys.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:13 (ten years ago) link
also typically fake credit cards often can't be scanned, they often rely on the cashier having to enter the credit card number manually.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:15 (ten years ago) link
he'd keep it because it is a cool belt, right
― mh, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link
hell no
he would return it and buy it from someplace that wouldn't profile him
I can't think of any black person I know who wouldn't return the belt, because all of them understand that stores operate off of profits and oftentimes commissions and none of them would want that clerk to get any type of compensation for being a racist
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
stores operate off of profits and oftentimes commissions
That's the part I don't get. The biggest racists in the world will happily take someone's money and stfu so they'll come back. Staff of Barney's must've been really bored, rich and racist that day.
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:41 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I didn't think that through. No reason for him to keep it and reward a company that profiled him.
― My question is primarily riparian (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
IMO he should sue for whatever amount he's suing for plus an entire outfit of his choice
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
Stopping him a block away seems really abnormal. Walmart won't even come after you if you've made it out to the parking lot. (IF YOU'RE A THIEF IN THE FIRST PLACE.)
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I was being ridiculous, fuck em
― mh, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
didnt a guy get killed by a walmart staffer chasing him into the parking lot?
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link
I think that's why they won't chase you anymore.
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:21 (ten years ago) link
surprised that they changed the policy tbh
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:23 (ten years ago) link
"i mean....we stopped the shoplifter, didn't we?!"
Walmart acknowledging that the crap it sells worth much, much less than civil suits and bad publicity.
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/244010/28/Walmart-employees-fired-after-stopping-robbery
not the same incident, but you get the idea
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:28 (ten years ago) link
[i was jk]
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7150380032/h4849CA54/
― pplains, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link
― Nhex, Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:13 (ten years ago) link
guy is going to sue wal-mart and be a zillionaire, duh
― mh, Thursday, 24 October 2013 02:21 (ten years ago) link
Huh. Incomes at the lower end so meagre now they have to decriminalise shoplifting to stop people dying in inconveniently large numbers
― In times of osterity, these Eton-educated poshboys (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:03 (ten years ago) link
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adult-Golly-Fancy-Dress-Costume/dp/B00DM2O4K0/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t
― ۩, Thursday, 31 October 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
Hmm I wonder
― Jesus (wins), Thursday, 31 October 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
there's a thread dedicated to talking about actually racist things fyi
― 乒乓, Thursday, 31 October 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
but i'm not sure what else there is to do besides say 'yep, that's absolutely racist,' shake your damn head, and move on
― 乒乓, Thursday, 31 October 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115437/halloween-2013-poll-racist-costumes
43% of Americans say Halloween blackface is just fine
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
fsdjsadjlkjla;l;as
― old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Saturday, 2 November 2013 13:27 (ten years ago) link
I just want to know who these 21% of black people who are cool with blackface are, so I can slap them personally.
― old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Saturday, 2 November 2013 13:29 (ten years ago) link
lmao at the political party breakdown
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 2 November 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
glad to see white people aren't feeling too inconvenienced by blackface, their signoff was of utmost importance
― your face comes with coleslaw (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2013 03:44 (ten years ago) link
haha otm thank GOD white republicans have weighed in
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Sunday, 3 November 2013 08:07 (ten years ago) link
should i tell my dad to stop saying "coon" to refer to raccoons y/n
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
nb i normally don't call him out on anything ever
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link
That always amazes me when I hear Americans say it
Fictional Americans I mean
― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
it's an actual thing that people say in a non-dogwhistle way! it's just jarring to hear
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
Just fucking pronounce the 1st syllable you lazy bastards, then you won't be using a racial slur! #protip
― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
well then you have "coon-ass," which iirc refers to white creole types in Louisiana, right? I had a friend in college that wore a trucker hat that said "coon-ass" on it and I was mortified every time
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
when really they should just say this instead http://24.media.tumblr.com/d6b082611472398ac88d354ea750193f/tumblr_mtc1m85kli1s71q1zo1_1280.png
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
Sure, next thing you're going to want is for us to pronounce the 'O' in "opossum".
― pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
My dad won't stop talking about all the beaver he sees when he goes fishing.
― pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
well then you have "coon-ass," which iirc refers to white creole types in Louisiana, right?
cajuns, yeah. there is apparently some debate as to whether or not cajuns find the term to be offensive but i've never met one of the aggrieved in person. when i first started dating the woman who is now my wife (who is not from louisiana and not hip to the lingo etc) i inadvertently horrified her by referring to someone (of whose race she was not aware) as a "coonass motherfucker."
― adam, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
Google Nick Saban Coonass and find this.
― pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
An African American coworker from Shreveport had a coon-ass cap or sign that he displayed prodly, so I don't think you have to be white to be one.
― nickn, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
"proudly"
― nickn, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
Just picturing a supervisor coming by and telling him, "just make sure the 'ass' part remains visible."
― pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Ha. "But not just the "ass!" He displayed it at his home, not at work.
― nickn, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
lol I can't believe I couldn't conjure the term "Cajun" back there.
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/TAb7cg0.gif
― pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
lol, and n
― the doleful cant of a bigot blinded by fear and hate (DJP), Monday, 4 November 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
toilet bears!
― pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Monday, 4 November 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link
a white sort-of-friend of mine has a solo shoegaze/loop project called 'slave names.' the name doesn't sit right with me but i don't know that it's racist. he has a webpage with only this video on the front page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SldZ-r5pHfA
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Sunday, 10 November 2013 03:57 (ten years ago) link
Surely there is a 90s TV show he can co-opt instead.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 10 November 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
ikr??
― gbx, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
otm. i'm leaning towards not overtly racist, but a really stupid choice. i'm slated to record and put a tape release for him. i really love his music, and i like him a lot, but i don't feel very comfortable doing it because of the name.
there was a VERY recent and VERY public incident with a local band full of actual racist rednecks called Dead Injun (!), who were publicly called out on their name/banned from a couple venues (they were always banned from mine), resulting in a ton of social fallout for me and a couple other people, therefore i'm really loathe to even start this conversation with him. :/
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Cricket Australia seem to think all Indians look the same and a bunch of white people on twitter defend it and say political correctness has gone mad and how its only whites complaining and because they are white they cant be offended. The usual..
http://i.imgur.com/PhivY0i.jpg
They apologised and removed it after complaintshttps://twitter.com/CricketAus/status/408399367381340160
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 5 December 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
backstory - last week an announcer got reprimanded after mocking Monty over the pa system by speaking in a fake indian 'funny' accent.
Also its been a real nasty series so far after the summers events.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 5 December 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link
ok reposted it hererolling 2013 thread on race and racism
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 5 December 2013 01:59 (ten years ago) link
throwing out a flag: clearly racist
― Nhex, Thursday, 5 December 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
Tory party racist? My girlfriend is Chinese
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 January 2014 12:32 (ten years ago) link
crepe
― beef in the new era (wins), Saturday, 18 January 2014 12:36 (ten years ago) link
“Conservatives are not racist. So many of the Conservatives have foreign wives after all.”
- so many choice quotes in that article
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 January 2014 12:50 (ten years ago) link
xposted from Tim McGraw thread: Tim McGraw Announces 2014 Sundown Heaven Town Tour
http://tasteofcountry.com/tim-mcgraw-2014-sundown-heaven-town-tour/
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
McGraw was 1 when when the Civil Rights Act was signed, and the closest "sundown town" to his home in Start, Louisiana was Pollock, which was like 90 minutes away. It would not exactly shock me if he didn't know what this meant, but I guess someone could have spoken up.
― lisa 龜 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
SAlso people will probably always say sundown to mean nighttime/twilight. The word is definitely not exclusive to racism afficianados.
― how's life, Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
I speak English and am aware of the literal definition of "sundown" — It just frustrates (but doesn't surprise) me that people in the country music industry would have such a poor understanding of the history whose signifiers they trade in. I agree w/Whiney: It would not exactly shock me if he didn't know what this meant, but I guess someone could have spoken up.
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
I guess
― mh, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:15 (ten years ago) link
maybe i'm the real racist
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link
Who knew Gordon Lightfoot was such a racist.
― pplains, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Don't talk shit about Gordon Lightfoot
― frogbs, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's the earth's rotation that is the real racist.
― how's life, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
"the watchman's gone" off sundown is all time
― flopson, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
kkkopernican heliocentrism
― balls, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
tell me about the word "yankee". if a person (white, southern) uses that a lot, is it generally a problem? i realise it's not quite a confederate belt buckle, but something about it.
― caek, Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
that whole damn album is amazing, christ
― frogbs, Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
come on y'all the word "sundown" is not the issue here it's "sundown town"
i hardly ever use the word "yankee" & i only use it in certain cases where i'm speaking for a particular point of view that is not necessarily my own. e.g.
I think most people from the deep south would think I talk like a yankee though― Mmm yes hello (crüt), Monday, December 23, 2013 4:50 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mmm yes hello (crüt), Monday, December 23, 2013 4:50 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but thinking more deeply about the context of that word makes me not want to use it even in that context. the extent to which it's hideously offensive has only recently occurred to me tbh. :/
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
Is it offensive? I've never taken it seriously.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 18 January 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
I think it carries as much baggage as the knee-jerk disdain for "southerners" or the broad generalizations about "the south" that you might hear in other parts of the country. It's not really used above the mason-dixon at all, unless you're referring to the baseball team.
It's especially a non-starter in the midwest/west as there's no real historical context. I might be a yankee to some in the southeastern US, but being called such has no real associations for me
― mh, Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
i will use the word yankee to refer to particular northeast attitudes, cultural phenomena -- i think it's as offensive as calling someone "whitey" imo
― ^ enlightening post (sarahell), Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/russian-socialite-zhukova-racist-chair-naked-black-mannequin?CMP=fb_gu
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/ygULo1b.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
Jesus, Snoop
thread of snoop pictured with other ppl cuz he does this a lot
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
Yes, you are correct, Walter.
Only way that could've more awkward would have been if Snoop had posted "Stunt double for my kung-fu movie, hahahahahah."
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
I have a question. If a white was to cover a song by a black artist, which specifically deals with issues in the black community, it would be problematic to change the words to refer to a more general group, right? Say, The Bottle, by Gil Scott-Heron and Brian Jackson; changing "See that black boy over there, runnin' scared" to "See that young boy over there, runnin' scared".
Obviously alcoholism is a problem in many communities, but something about the re-appropriation makes me uncomfortable. And a white artist singing the original lyrics sounds like an accusatory outsider.
No big deal, just wondering what people's thoughts are.
― badgers moved the goalposts (dowd), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
Meant to be "If a white artist", of course.
well you could argue that changing the lyrics shows disrespect to the author so
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
i'm generally an "intent-over-content" guy when it comes to taboo language (erring on the side of not intentionally pissing people off for no fucking reason) so my inclination would be to respect authorial intent. i think chris rock's routine about white people singing along to rap may apply.
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
there's something problematic about removing blackness from a text in order for a white artist to be able to perform it but
well you could argue that changing the lyrics shows disrespect to the author
this isn't what's problematic about it. people covering songs change up the lyrics all the time and it's not "disrespectful," gtfo w/authorial totalitarianism, personalizing a song by changing the lyrics up a little is as totally ok. but when race is a factor, then the question gets a little thorny. (gender too maybe.)
my war against "so" at the end of a sentence continues in all cases
― second set all dead boys covers (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
aero, your response seems to be "eh, change it if you want; author doesn't get to make you say what they want to but race and gender may make it complicated", which given that was the point of the conversation in the first place (unless i'm reading this wrong) doesn't really address the issue at all http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gabriel-peter-so-300x300.jpg...
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
I think the point was more "make sure the change says what you want it to say" and that sometimes erasing mention of color says something you don't intend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkLTwX0duY4
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
write a new song, bros
― Nhex, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 20:29 (ten years ago) link
^^^^
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
gourdsplayingginandjuice.youtube.com
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
(gender too maybe.)
You have an issue with female singers gender-flipping lyrics so they're about guys?
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
no I just really hated "I Am Man," feel like it really missed the point
― second set all dead boys covers (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
personally thought the Oran Juice Jones version of Bobbie Gentry "Fancy" was a lil awkward
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ov9082a1c
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
though i suppose me'shell self-identifies as bi, just always thought that would be a fun song to gender flip
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
Always wanted to do a cover of "Johnny, Are You Queer?"
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
Melissa Etheridge's comeback single: "Hello Lucille, Are You a Lesbian?"
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/711rXz-SD1L._SL1000_.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71iZedLLhDL._SL1000_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516CX-%2BTixL.jpg
kinda lol, prob racist
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
eh, accurate enough, let's face it
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
love dude's hi top fade
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OQOhWHWGL.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
it's the combo hi-top fade/AIR FORCE sweatshirt that kills me
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
It looks like you're racially segregating. Would you like help?
― bnw, Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
trying to do a clippy / afro joke; not working when i type it outor even conceptually really
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
how about that katy perry video?
― *plop* son (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
don't make me search bro
― Nhex, Friday, 21 February 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSOMA3QBU0
― *plop* son (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 February 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
racist against ancient egyptians
― Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
holy shit that is the best youtube preview image since "I Miss You"
― "Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:14 (ten years ago) link
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/youtube-to-remove-katy-perry-s-dark-horse-video-depicting-name-of-god-allah-youtube-to-remove-katy-perry-s-video-dark-horse-from-their-website
― Mordy , Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
Dude's wearing like 10 necklaces. 90% of all necklaces are god-related. Odds are, one of his necklaces is gonna be someone's god.
― how's life, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 01:20 (ten years ago) link
jesus christ idiot prop people, stop selecting necklaces at random without checking whether they say the name of a currently-worshipped god
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 03:10 (ten years ago) link
the crappily drawn red circle
― 4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 05:06 (ten years ago) link
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:20 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He's getting hyped because office is so fly
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link
i don't think so. your hair doesn't get like that when you become excited.
― james franco, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
Fuck you, Nathan Deal
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/georgia-governor-okay-confederate-flag-license-plate-part-cultural-heritage-our-state
Fucking horrible.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 23:32 (ten years ago) link
omg. "hopefully those who are offended will look at history" - um i think thats why they're offended ya horses ass
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Friday, 28 February 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link
unsure if this is more racist or sexist
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/11/rush-limbaugh-admits-republicans-refuse-work-obama-black.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 00:11 (ten years ago) link
Why choose?!
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link
I'd vote neither tbh
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link
just kinda dumb
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link
Not sure how long the comeback has been in effect, but hi-top fades were noticeably more common this year in Twin Cities secondary schools.
― Peter Scholtes, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 03:25 (ten years ago) link
Windbag blows wind.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 03:51 (ten years ago) link
is the word "denigrate" racist
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 13 March 2014 00:34 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/28/magazine/on-language-dark-words-of-disapproval.html
The etymology of the word denigrate was promptly called to my attention by a media colleague, who wondered whether the Mayor was unwittingly using a term that illustrates how racism is buried in the language.
Niger is Latin for ''black''; denigrationem is Late Latin for ''a blackening.'' The de- does not mean ''the opposite or reverse of,'' as de- so often does; in this case, as in denude and declaim, it means ''completely''; thus, denigrate is rooted in ''to blacken completely.'' The term was picked up as a verb in Old French meaning ''to blacken'' and transferred to English in the 16th century in the sense of ''darken a good name,'' or ''defame.''
Historically, black and dark have signified ''bad'' (Satan was called the Prince of Darkness long before the self-styled meanie, Robert Novak, was born), and white and light have meant ''good'' (none but the brave deserve the fair, meaning ''light-colored'').
― Mordy , Thursday, 13 March 2014 01:13 (ten years ago) link
― Treeship, Thursday, 13 March 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link
white/black, right/left go way back
― PONOPONOPONO (seandalai), Thursday, 13 March 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
was talking about the phrase "that's awful white of you" which along with "jew you down on the price" i heard somewhat regularly as a kid and have blessedly NOT heard this decade
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 March 2014 04:07 (ten years ago) link
Both of those are things I never, ever heard until years after I read about their existence (if I even have to this day??). People, man. They're terrible.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 04:15 (ten years ago) link
the guy i bought my first car from, with my dad negotiating, promised us he wasn't gonna jew us on thiswe, as jews, kept our mouths shut and got the car cheap.a grand for a 78 chevy nova. black with silver finish. loved that car. that always spoiled my memory of the moment tho'
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 March 2014 06:08 (ten years ago) link
When I took my driver's license exam for the second time (after failing a week earlier and feeling humiliated about it), the old guy giving me the test said "thank God, a white person who speaks English - I'm going to pass you just for that." So the victory of passing felt pretty shitty.
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 13 March 2014 09:21 (ten years ago) link
Passing complexion
― two bunny rabbits on mushrooms singing Proclaimers songs (onimo), Thursday, 13 March 2014 09:47 (ten years ago) link
― death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
http://www.crewof42.com/news/paul-ryan-inner-city-comments-had-nothing-to-do-whatsoever-with-race/
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
paul ryan may eat portion of my genitals
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
that reads like a highly undesirable headline
― rob, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5Sn43DUSBBA/UynRRhn0TuI/AAAAAAABJkM/_AZqrTgm4EA/s3200/a.jpg
― "Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
I am not qualified to really judge, but I am going to say: no
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
I hold some certification, my instincts say no.
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
you've got to be shitting me
― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:52 (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I doubt anyone can find a better piece of football memorablia.
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:52 (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a Luke Chadwick one would've been better.
― blueski, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:57 (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:51 (ten years ago) link
Girl from HS I'm friends with is married to a Chinese guy and keeps referring to her fetus as the egg roll and they announced it's a boy by writing that on a Chinese takeaway box. He's obv in on it but every single time she does this, and she does it a lot, I'm like oh, girl.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
yuuuuuk that is not right
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:13 (ten years ago) link
is he actually ok with it in a "ok yeah this is funny" kind of way or a "ehhh I'm not really down with this but it's my wife and I love her so I'll let it slide" kinda way? gotta imagine that would start to wear on him quickly.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
that is disgusting!
― sent from my butt (harbl), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:20 (ten years ago) link
Haha that makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI_p_Eit5PM
1:23
― 龜, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:22 (ten years ago) link
― have a nice blood (mh), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:40 (ten years ago) link
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5040/24/16x9/565.jpg
― Mordy , Tuesday, 25 March 2014 06:09 (ten years ago) link
What is that
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
Nick Cannon. m0rdy in troll attempt shockah
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
Nick Cannon, who has never heard of Eddie Murphy or Dave Chappelle or the Wayans Bros., in "whiteface," which he thinks he invented.
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link
Dave Chappelle in whiteface is still one of the creepiest and funniest things I've seen on basic cable.
― pplains, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link
Is it racist for a European white man to call another European white man a "fucking refugee"?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26909889
Obviously it has all the "fuck off back to your own country" hallmarks of a xenophobic cunt but I'm not sure it qualifies as racist if you say it to someone the same colour as you?
(Griffiths also has previous form in actually telling a non-white fellow Scot to fuck off back to his own country so fuck him tbh)
― two bunny rabbits on mushrooms singing Proclaimers songs (onimo), Monday, 7 April 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
hutus & tutsis look pretty similar. it's obviously based on some assumed difference/otherness, race isn't an idea that withstands much interrogation, but what else are you going to call it? will it make a difference other than to shield ppl of painful accusations of racism?
― ogmor, Monday, 7 April 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
I certainly wouldn't claim what he said was functionally less than racism just because I supported his team.
― The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Monday, 7 April 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
I have no particular interest in parsing his assholitude. If it's not as bad as racism (?), it's certainly a step in the direction of denying someone their basic humanity.
"...telling a non-white fellow Scot to fuck off back to his own country so fuck him tbh..." Given that Scot is Latin for Irish, maybe he should do just that, himself, and leave Caledonia to the Picts.
― già, ya, déjà, ja, yeah, whatever... (Michael White), Monday, 7 April 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
^ never far from a paddybash, this lad
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 7 April 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
I grew up in terrible parts of Scotland - like Leigh Griffiths, I suppose, though my face survived - where everyone was kind of racist, including me, because they knew nothing of the world. It's likely Griffiths didn't even think about the words he was singing, he seems so stupid. I remember, though, that at school "refugee" was an insult based more on poverty than race: you are a refugee and you wear shit clothes; you are scruffy and your parents don't work. Poor people hunting the even poorer. I think Griffiths should be fired for sure, but if he is he will never really understand why, and he will get a different job.
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 7 April 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
I don't recall claiming that at all. I think it's odd that every report is saying that a white Scotsman calling a white Czech a refugee is racist and thought it worth discussing.
I also pointed out his previous obvious racism and didn't support him in any way whatsoever.
There are people who support his team who refer to anti-Irish singing as racist and I think that's questionable too, despite a Scottish judge defining it as such.
― two bunny rabbits on mushrooms singing Proclaimers songs (onimo), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 00:02 (nine years ago) link
When you get a 10-20k a week wage, that is the point you leave all this sectarian bigotry behind forever - if you have a brain. I bet even some of LG's friends from the vid secretly think he is a fucking idiot.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 00:51 (nine years ago) link
It's more of a 'if it looks like a duck' thing. Defining racism only in terms of constructed 'races' is to be caught in a chicken/egg problem. I think it makes more sense to look at racism as an ideological process which seeks to 'other' groups of people. Really, I don't care - it was clearly a terrible thing to say. I mean, I'm a working class Scot as well, and to claim that such divides are sectarian, when two atheists can hate each other based on surnames or hair colour or accents seems perverse to me. I don't know if it's 'racism' per se, but that seems to be to focus on narrow definitions rather than how beliefs actually function in the way that they divide and devalue sections of humanity. 'Refugee', like 'Immigrant', is a pre-racialised term - when someone says 'immigrant' they rarely mean American or Australian students or workers etc. - it's reserved for certain groups, and currently eastern European workers fall into that category.
― The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 05:12 (nine years ago) link
(A similar issue is the islamophobic insistence than Muslims are not a race - when they know fine well that if they asked children to draw a picture of a Muslim they would draw a 'brown' person, and assume people's religious affiliation from their ethnic appearance)
― The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 05:19 (nine years ago) link
(Also, to claim that 'Slavic' people are uncomplicatedly 'white' is to ignor some Very Important parts of 20th century history)
― The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 05:30 (nine years ago) link
(Anyway, Onimo, I should apologise - I wasn't meaning to imply that your sports affiliation was clouding your judgement. I'm just drunkenly carrying on a drunken argument from the pub earlier, by proxy. I fear I didn't make myself understood then, as now. Anyway, four posts in a row, NAGL...)
― The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 05:52 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpkEehUd88
The thread title popped into my head when I checked the "about" page on the ad agency's site and noticed every person shown is young and white which makes this feel a bit off to me.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
4th rate sub-Putney Swope bullshit
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 21:07 (nine years ago) link
makes me miss Putney Swope somehow
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Are Skippyjon Jones books racist? I have read two and it didn't cross my mind that it was racist.
― *tera, Sunday, 11 May 2014 07:59 (nine years ago) link
we stopped reading them for that reason
― Mordy, Sunday, 11 May 2014 08:06 (nine years ago) link
I re-read one tonight and still didn't find it offensive. Is the pov different because I am Latina? There were Spanish words used properly in the correct context, the rest seemed like word play.
― *tera, Sunday, 11 May 2014 08:23 (nine years ago) link
Here's the first result for "Skippyjon Jones racist"
I am kinda bummed by the slam on my employer, TUSD, at the end – I work pretty hard to be an anti-racist teacher and I know a lot of others do, too. It's a district with over 3,500 employees, and I know we get nothing but bad press in the national media, but to think ALL of those employees are anti-Mexican/Mexican-American bigots is inaccurate!
― just like the one wing dove (Crabbits), Sunday, 11 May 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
Whoa, looks like *tera was googling this, too!
― just like the one wing dove (Crabbits), Sunday, 11 May 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link
My gran (who is white) says that she prefers Asian taxi drivers to white taxi drivers because they are apparently more polite
I'm fairly sure that that is racist
― paolo, Sunday, 11 May 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
That's definitely racist against white cab drivers
― 龜, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
idk, it might be affirmation that certain cab drivers are more subservient
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 12 May 2014 00:23 (nine years ago) link
polite != subservient.
― nickn, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:57 (nine years ago) link
very true! but subservient does imply polite
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 12 May 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
Crabbits: In the context of a classroom setting, I am told, that Skippyjon books are racist.
Racism is complicated, so much so people would rather not touch the subject at all. I feel this doesn't help anything. If Skippyjon books are used in a classroom setting why not mention that these are real Spanish language words and these are words the author is playing with and not real words in Spanish. I am not talking about opening up dialogue with kindergarteners or first graders but second and third graders using the books? Is it against school policies these days to talk about racism? I really wouldn't know, not yet.
― *tera, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
... how was the Skippyjon books not ALWAYS racist?
― Nhex, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
My friends and I must be a rare percentage of Hispanics that are not offended.
― *tera, Monday, 12 May 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
My kids love the Skippyjon books. I've always been a little worried that they veer a little too close to like that kind of English/Spanish hybrid thing that people try to do when they are worried that they won't be able to communicate with Spanish people. I don't know what that's called, but mostly ending words with "-o" as a suffix . It kinda goes in that direction. But if it doesn't bother you, that's reassuring to me.
― how's life, Monday, 12 May 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
It is actually more offensive to me when the image of the Virgen de Guadalupe is co-opeted and used insincerely. Though I am not religious, a very, very lapsed Catholic, the image is one that is deeply rooted in Mexican and Mexican-American culture. I do get offended seeing it worn or used as kitsch. I don't know if it racist or not but it is a lack of understanding.
Growing up with Speedy Gonzalez and Slowpoke Rodriguez and a mother from Mexico with a thick accent, grandparents with accents, as children we felt represented and loved catching the cartoons. As I got older, I still found the characters unoffensive. It's Looney Tunes, it offends all or none. It was a joke, we knew that and could laugh. We were aware of real racism at a young age. My dad told us what our grandparents and he endured. The fight scene in Giant was always referenced.
In" Skippyjon Jones Class Action", they play with French accents and words. I still like that so much of the stories use proper Spanish words correctly and introduce a child to Spanish. All the "-itos" and "-o's" are used in a sing-song way....even the font sets all the "-itos and o"s" apart.
I laugh at the maid character used in Family Guy, when I have caught that, maybe I am not militant enough. Racism is very real and to battle children's books that don't even come close to the circumstances, repercussions and damage real racism does to a child of color, is ridiculous to me.
Beverly Slapin, who is the author of the DeColores piece isn't even Hispanic, that I can find. If that is the case, I do take offense to a non-Hispanic speaking for me. I do find that racist.
This article was written by a Latina and because it was it is being referenced by all those who are anti Skippyjon. At the moment a teacher friend of mine who is White and never read the books is discussing the books on FB. I find it irritating that she feels I should be offended. http://networkedblogs.com/WBB8x
― *tera, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 01:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah this is what I took issue with:
Indeed, the Skippyjon Jones “industry” is a model for how racist stereotypes are marketed to young children. If Judy Schachner is capable of any shame, now would be a good time to post a public apology, shut down her business and turn over all of her profits to the courageous young Mexican American students in Arizona who are fighting to liberate themselves from the racist “education” they are receiving at the hands of the Tucson Unified School District. It seems like she's willing to speak for a lot of demographics that she isn't part of or familiar with (eg Tucsonenses)
― just like the one wing dove (Crabbits), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 02:11 (nine years ago) link
putting all the blame on TUSD as opposed to the az state legislature seems pretty one-sided and unfair.
really groaned at that writer putting "education" in quote marks.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 04:48 (nine years ago) link
His auditory performance of Mexicanness, what Reina Prado considers “sonic brownface,” reeks of white privilege as he code-switches from cat/white/English to dog/brown/”Spanish.”
I don't have any of the books with me at the moment, but for some reason I've always felt that Skippyjon coded as black.
― how's life, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 10:30 (nine years ago) link
he is siamese, if you please
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 14:01 (nine years ago) link
indee-eed
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 14:18 (nine years ago) link
this sentence seems to take things a bit too far:
But more important, they prepare young children to accept immigrant-bashing, stop-and-frisk searches, the forced breakup of Mexican families, the impoverishment of farmworkers, and the racist campaign against the Mexican American students in Arizona.
not familiar with this stuff but I always loved Speedy Gonzales when growing up and I knew that the character was clearly a joke. my wife is Mexican and that's her favorite character, I mean she was thrilled that I was even familiar with it. probably doesn't add much to the discussion but if this is like that and we're saying it's making kids okay with the Arizona immigration laws I'd say that's putting very little faith in the kids
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
It takes a joke and creates an insult where there wasn't one before.
― *tera, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
Had someone approached me at 8 years old and told me that Speedy Gonzalez was bad, that he was mocking me and my family, that it was not a joke but something I should take offense with, I would have cried. A little older and I would have been angered and insulted.
― *tera, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link
iirc Speedy Gonzales cartoons have alternately been pulled and put back in circulation as latino groups have praised him as a good character
I think all the marijuana smoking refs have been pulled, though
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
Are you guys making the argument that because you liked Speedy Gonzales, it's not still an awful racist stereotype and caricature?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
I mean, shit, I "liked" Hong Kong Phooey as a kid too, it was still a terrible idea
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/speedy-gonzales-hispanic_n_4039787.html
FWIW this was how I viewed Speedy -- he was clever, heroic, funny and amiable. I'm not going to tell anyone what to find offensive, but I can certainly understand why a hispanic person might *not* find him offensive.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
It's a little more complicated than a handful of people!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_Gonzales#Censorship
Despite such controversy over potentially offensive characterizations, Speedy Gonzales remains a popular character in Latin America. The Hispanic-American rights organization League of United Latin American Citizens called Speedy a "cultural icon", and thousands of users registered their support of the character on the hispaniconline.com message boards. Fan campaigns to put Speedy back on the air resulted in the return of the animated shorts to Cartoon Network in 2002.
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
Is Eddie Murphy as the old Jewish man in Coming to America offensive? Because that's one of my favorite screen characters of all time in spite of the yiddish caricature.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
obviously I'm not trying to say what is or isn't offensive, but that the character isn't pure negative stereotype (he was always the quickest/smartest/most cunning of the bunch) and that going from that to "accepting the forced breakup of Mexican families" is a pretty massive stretch
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
hah, fair point
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
Does anyone feel like the whole joke of speedy gonzales is that he is fast/smart &c *unlike other Mexicans*?
― wins, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
I have never ever gotten that impression.
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link
me neither
― wins, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
the joke is that he's hyperactively fast
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
I have had that impression in the past
― A frenzied geologist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
i'm hispanic and i'm not crazy about speedy gonzales, primarily b/c it because it was used by white kids i grew up with as nicknames/slurs for hispanic people
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
i hate the band name "speedy ortiz", too, especially since none of the members are hispanic
re: gonzales, i generally operate on the notion that stereotyping marginalized groups of people in cartoon form isn't a good practice. i understand though that some latinos are okay w/ speedy.
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
If nothing else he gave us a great joke on Futurama: "That guy makes Speedy Gonzales look like Regular Gonzales!"
― Diddley Hollyberry (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
I thought Speedy Gonzales was cool when I was a kid, and I didn't really know much about Mexican stereotypes or know many Mexican people. If someone had told me they were Mexican when I was age 7, I don't know that it would have really registered for me that "that's what Speedy Gonzalez is" tbh. Not trying to pull some "I don't see color" bs, I just think my kid brain didn't really process Speedy Gonzalez as anything other than a cool cartoon mouse.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
the sombrero and thick accent didn't tip you off eh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
xp to hurting -- i get it that as a 7 year old you might not know that speedy gonzales = mexican. but the character is obviously coded as such and at some point speedy is going to enter kids' consciousness as a mexican stereotype. it wasn't 7 year old white kids calling hispanic people "speedy gonzales" when i was growing up, it was white teenagers clearly aware of speedy's mexican tropes who grew up watching looney tunes.
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
right though white teenagers are gonna be shitty no matter what, as a Jew I got a ton of the Eric Cartman stuff growing up. though had South Park never existed I'm sure it just would've been something else.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
there's always something
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
Kinda on-topic - I walked into my son's preschool classroom recently and did a doubletake at one of their art projects.
http://i.imgur.com/DNqoLtc.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
ladybugs?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
Ladybugs.
http://i.imgur.com/ZeScVFZ.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
Ladybugs
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:05 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
on first glance they look a little like pickaninnies
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
https://www.google.com/search?q=pickaninny&client=firefox-a&hs=hGy&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&imgil=VZiXq68eRFwocM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcRjB3x4fYBGQXHqgToKKFoDx_XsCGGCq1yZqjWoMZWS4_5UfWsPgg%253B200%253B160%253Bt9nUouhiNsG82M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FPickaninny&source=iu&usg=__ZsiM5OF1Crdwx9QnLA5_mMOjFdQ%3D&sa=X&ei=6mByU9ipJqqd8gHfp4CIAQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=VZiXq68eRFwocM%253A%3Bt9nUouhiNsG82M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252Fthumb%252F5%252F55%252FPicaninny_Freeze.jpg%252F200px-Picaninny_Freeze.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FPickaninny%3B200%3B160
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
That's what my first glance told me.
Especially when you first flip the lights on in an empty classroom.
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
Still don't see it. I see ladybugs.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
I just see bugs, I don't see gender.
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
I guess maybe pplains is the REAL racist here.
― Diddley Hollyberry (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
...or we are
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
i figured out that they were ladybugs, but at first i saw BLACK HEARTS which was obv. awesome of kids and teacher both
― j., Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/yMhheyr.gif
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
I saw what DJP described, dark faces with red bandannas.
And I am completely racist, thought we'd been over that.
Racist toward LADYBUGS.
― pplains, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
Has this been brought up yet? http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/05/11/310708342/recall-that-ice-cream-truck-song-we-have-unpleasant-news-for-youThis
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
yea, not sure if it was this thread or the other race thread floating about site new answers
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link
That song title
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
I just saw lady bugs. I thought the deal was "LADY" bugs named Henry...like no man bugs, ever? I was actually at the kitchen sink this evening, washing dishes trying to figure out what the deal was and so had to return here and there it is....
― *tera, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:37 (nine years ago) link
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think it's a little beyond o_O
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:37 (nine years ago) link
I won't belabor the point (too late), but this is what I thought I saw at first.
http://i.imgur.com/FkBePHKl.gif
― pplains, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
i don't understand why that NPR article is circulating like grumpy cat in 2014 when there was literally a top 10 song with that melody on the billboard singles chart 8 years ago
― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
It's almost like a hip-hop song isn't sufficient enough grounds to talk about something, but it is when the predominately white NPR gives it some shine, hmmmmm
― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
lol I thought about "Chain Hang Low" too
social justice clickbait didn't really exist in 2006 the way it does in 2014 tho
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
cf justin bieber having more twitter followers than kurt cobain ever did
― balls, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:59 (nine years ago) link
is theodore r johnson 'predominantly' really white whiney? how many eighths are we talking?
― balls, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link
I listened to it yesterday and feel kind of terrible that it's been stuck in my head off and on today
― joygoat, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
― balls, Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:01 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's why i called out the source, not the author
― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
And not even the source because, NPR is totally great for running it!
I'm mainly confused why everyone is picking up on it and reblogging it when there was a legitimate cultural artifact that people were making the exact same points about eight years ago
― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link
8 years ago is a longtime on the internet whieny
― marcos, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
because no one was that emotionally invested in it then and people have a pop culture memory of less than eight years?
probably the people invested in it then and npr listeners aren't that overlapping, either
― a strange man (mh), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
it's almost like hip-hop hasn't really been relevant in the larger culture for nearly a decade now
― balls, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
or that the means thru which ppl share stuff on the internet are different than they were eight years ago
― balls, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
I mean, Gawker existed in 2006, where was their reblog of this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/arts/music/17play.html
― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS OUT OF ORDER
― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
iirc they were busy posting updates of which celebrities people had seen on the streets of nyc that day
― a strange man (mh), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
it's almost like that times article deals w/ the issue as an aside in a brief blurb while the npr thing uses it to demonstrate how if you scratch beneath the surface of even the most anodyne thing in america you will find virulent racism lurking in its history
― balls, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
where was whiney when spin magazine was posting aids denialist literature
c'mon man you can't tell me you didn't know about that
― a strange man (mh), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
hey how come ppl are linking to that thing from 2006 when lil' mont used it in 1997. seems kinda suspect someone would link to the predominantly white ny times and ignore an icon most americans are aware of like lil' mont.
― balls, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
I should really remove my bookmark from this thread and yet
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
your time might be better spent sleeping
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
DJP, if you remove your bookmark from this thread, how are you going to know if something's racist or not?
― pplains, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link
Whiney on a "Why wasn't anybody calling for Donald Sterling's ouster 15 years ago?" tip
― 龜, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
http://www.multivu.com/mnr/64790-post-foods-fruity-cocoa-pebbles-competition-wwe-john-cena-nba-kyrie-irving
― Mordy, Monday, 19 May 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
"team fruity"
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 May 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
I have been cracking up at those ads since I first encountered them
― hella good Jewish homies (DJP), Monday, 19 May 2014 22:32 (nine years ago) link
huge fan of breakfast cereal endorsements from athletes (esp of kyrie irving's prominence so to speak) wherein they're wearing ultrageneric jerseys/hats/etc., takes me back to my youth.
http://keymancollectibles.com/baseballcards/images/1990po4.jpg
― balls, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link
hahaha that card would be even better if it was likeNOLAN RYANdallas-based baseball squadron ballthrower
― smooth hymnal (m bison), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:21 (nine years ago) link
he looks like he's modeling for sears
― balls, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:39 (nine years ago) link
omg I remember those cards!
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
http://www2.cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/files/2012/07/Pete-Rose-Gold-Star1.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
Haha these dont even have the mascot. Bet the pantone is only off a digit.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aZia0MTLSJw/UDxdtE8xS_I/AAAAAAAAKx4/A5zY1QVVSDk/s1600/2012+Panini+Triple+Play+Clayton+Kershaw+sticker.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 03:36 (nine years ago) link
all-white hardcore band the big boys:http://glorifytheturd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bigboysfront.jpg
― marcos, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, between them, The Black Athletes, and the Drunk Injuns, Skate Rock Vol. 1 doesn't look so innocent anymore.
― how's life, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
That looks like something that was put out by Taang! Records.
― pplains, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mh2RctlGxc
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
what does she say in that line about the bodegas and lips? i can't make it out exactly but i'd be surprised if it wasn't offensive
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
yuck
― Another great spree fucking. Shoot. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
i hate everything about this song
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
Esso like debuted at no. 38 on Billboard. Which, I know it takes like very few copies to do, but that doesn't happen to, like, Thee Oh Sees or Grimes or w/e
Where are people even hearing this garbage?
― Another great spree fucking. Shoot. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
idk, i'd imagine there's a big promotional push by some third party with major label affiliations but i don't know whom.
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
Stereogum premiered their video: 1 comment, 37 tweets
― Another great spree fucking. Shoot. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
being in one of these bands doesn't seem like fun at all
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Dh5lZmvXybg/Tc1uevkeFYI/AAAAAAAAAWA/Q7S7JNdFPP8/s640/Lawn+Jockey.gif
I see white lawn jockey ornaments and think, yeah, I guess it's an improvement over the black lawn jockey ornaments, but it still rubs me the wrong way. What's the idea or concept being conveyed? "Remember back in olden days when you'd have men in uniform stand around holding the horses? They were usually blacks forced into servitude, but here's an effigy offered in white."
Maybe I'm off. Maybe it goes back to Scottish times when white people held their horses. Maybe not though.
― pplains, Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
I think they mostly exist so that old white people can say "Remember when those things used to be black? Can't get away with that anymore ho ho"
― a lake full of ancient spices (los blue jeans), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
I have an honest ITR: a friend of mine believes that any celebration involving the breaking of a piñata is inherently racist, unless it is a celebration entirely by and for Mexican people. This had never occurred to me before, but I'd be perfectly happy to accept that it is correct. Do you agree with my friend or not?
My huge almost-entirely-white extended family has included a piñata at our family reunion / Christmas celebration every year for decades in a manner that had previously seemed to me to be free of its historical cultural context (the piñata is not a traditional or stereotypical shape or color, there is no obvious element of "Mexican blackface" surrounding the breaking of it: no costumes, no broken spanish is spoken, etc).
― Dan I., Friday, 6 June 2014 03:00 (nine years ago) link
What prompted this specifically was this event , which I'd thought it might be fun to go to, before my friend objected.
― Dan I., Friday, 6 June 2014 03:04 (nine years ago) link
oh god i'm a racist aren't i
― Dan I., Friday, 6 June 2014 03:18 (nine years ago) link
wikipedia lol suggests that the pinata has roots in chinese, european and mesoamerican tradition, & that the word itself is of italian origin. similar traditions exist all over the world. never heard anyone suggest that the pinata is the reserved and sacred cultural property of mexicans, but i suppose i wouldn't know.
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Friday, 6 June 2014 03:44 (nine years ago) link
Ha, no fucking way is this racist. If it is, I'll be sure to tell the Hispanic owner of the party store we get our annual birthday piñatas from, that sorry, his products are racist when purchased by people who look like my family.
― pplains, Friday, 6 June 2014 04:16 (nine years ago) link
there is plenty of racist bullshit that happens when white people throw cinco de mayo parties but a pinata used by white people is not inherently racist imo. if they wear sombreros and fake mustaches while swatting at the pinata, it's a different story though
― marcos, Friday, 6 June 2014 13:22 (nine years ago) link
thinking a pinata at a party is inherently racist is kind of getting us to a point where cultural exchange should be shut down entirely
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:38 (nine years ago) link
is it racist if i drink tequila?
― arid banter (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:41 (nine years ago) link
only if you do it at a Mexican restaurant
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
I bought some fireworks, is that racist?
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
fireworks originated in china, you asshole. unless you're chinese you better shelve those
― marcos, Friday, 6 June 2014 13:51 (nine years ago) link
brb building a pinata filled with fireworks.
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:58 (nine years ago) link
we're going to hang it and hit it with lit torches, it will be epic.
please don't use the word "epic" unless you are Ancient Greek and blind
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Friday, 6 June 2014 14:11 (nine years ago) link
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Friday, 6 June 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
brb building a pinata filled with fireworks.― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Friday, June 6, 2014 8:58 AM (3 hours ago)
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Friday, June 6, 2014 8:58 AM (3 hours ago)
ha, i took these at a friend's rehearsal dinner:
http://i.imgur.com/TJ8QK0a.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/CF42WnB.jpg
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Friday, 6 June 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
a hate crime, imo
― Dan I., Friday, 6 June 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
The main reason I asked was that I kind of felt where my friend was coming from w/r/t the pinata breaking being part of a cinco de mayo party called "Cinco de Mayhem" that was attended almost 100% by non-Mexican white people. I was just conflicted because I have such fond feelings about my family's Christmas pinata, but I thought I might have, like, a racial blind spot the way Dutch people do about Sinterklaas' 6 to 8 black assistants
― Dan I., Friday, 6 June 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
your family's pinatas have 6 to 8 black assistants?
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Friday, 6 June 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
american "let's wear sombreros & get fucked on tequila" cinquo de mayo appropriation is much more questionable, imo
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Friday, 6 June 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link
okay, sorry for xpost. where is undo.
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Friday, 6 June 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/l2DSLMt.gif
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Friday, 6 June 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
w/r/t the pinata breaking being part of a cinco de mayo party called "Cinco de Mayhem" that was attended almost 100% by non-Mexican white people.
See, the piñata is the part not being racist here.
― pplains, Friday, 6 June 2014 19:19 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure our Irish readers have similar feelings about the appropriation of St Patrick's day
― arid banter (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 June 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
"What do I want to drink? How 'bout one of those Decapitated Cartel Agents, you know, a little rum and tequila mixed together with grenadine.
What's that? It's St. Patrick's Day, not Cinco de Mayo? Oh yeah, well, how about an Irish Car Bomb then."
― pplains, Friday, 6 June 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
― gbx, Saturday, 7 June 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
http://www.timeout.com/chicago/music/downtown-sound-omar-souleyman
Though a firm favourite of more leftfield festivals and audiences, Omar Souleyman (not to be confused with Detroit legend Omar S) is really as accessible as hummus. The Syrian singer never fails to galvanise a crowd, channelling Middle Eastern music through a techno-informed prism, and is helped out as always by his master keyboardist Rizan Said by his side.
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Saturday, 7 June 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
Omar Souleyman: smooth, creamy, available in 8 and 16 ounce containers in your grocer's produce section
― sci-fi looking, chubby-leafed, delicately bizarre (contenderizer), Saturday, 7 June 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
what ppl do on paddy's day is nothing to me as an irishman
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 June 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link
http://thatsthejoke.net/thatsthejoke.jpg
― arid banter (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 June 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3174503/chickens.gif
― pplains, Saturday, 7 June 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
suggest ban nation
― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Saturday, 7 June 2014 22:32 (nine years ago) link
micks I can waive
― mikelovestfu (wins), Saturday, 7 June 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
*applause*
― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Saturday, 7 June 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
it's a type of it, yeah. but is it racist
― mikelovestfu (wins), Saturday, 7 June 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:36 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
many xp. i cant wait to explain to my daughter who speedy etc. also airport dude at ORD brought out a mexican joke for no reason yesterday.
― le hague, Sunday, 15 June 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
"Great White Shark"
unsure
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Sunday, 15 June 2014 16:16 (nine years ago) link
Awesome Hispanic Whale
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 June 2014 16:46 (nine years ago) link
curvy colombian crustacean
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, 16 June 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
@lawblobWhy is there no great white shark week?
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 16 June 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
Every week is great white shark week.
― nickn, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 00:29 (nine years ago) link
http://www.vice.com/read/austin-was-built-to-be-segregated
― *tera, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link
Follow Luke Winkie on Twitter.
only 90s ilxkidz will get this
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Friday, 20 June 2014 03:53 (nine years ago) link
I just saw a blackpeoplemeet.com commercial, figured there had to be a whitepeoplemeet parody, and OH NOES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwl2y-1SJ2c
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 5 July 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
Was in a 4th of July parade yesterday. The group beyond us was the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Their bagpipe player played a rendition of Hava Negila. Didn't know what to make of that.
― how's life, Saturday, 5 July 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
Rolling Stone just had an article about Texas and the gun nuts who live there. One of the Jewish participants of a gun rally drops Judah Benjamin's name and I guess stands back to give the New York reporter plenty of space to beg forgiveness.
― pplains, Saturday, 5 July 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
Is 'people of ethnicity' an actual term? I am in the UK and someone has used this in talking about 'diversity awareness' training and it sounds like a dressed-up version of 'those ethnics'.
― kinder, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah that's terrible. It's like saying you're only "a race" if you're not white, as if whiteness is the default/neutral from which all else diverges.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
A fb friend of mine who is black who I talk about music with a lot got a little insulted that I posted a led zeppelin song on his feed (I knew he didn't generally like them and I was curious to see if he would like The Wanton Song in light of other stuff he likes) -- he said he finds them "almost racist." I hadn't really thought of them that way before in spite of everything I know about their stealing from blues artists etc. etc., yet it sort of seemed obvious why someone could feel that way once he said it -- there's definitely something minstrely about their antics. Then again, that probably applies to like half of rock music up to a certain point in time.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:52 (nine years ago) link
xp Right? My o/h was really taken aback by it but the rest of the email is all about how they've undergone training and built a bespoke training package for staff etc so I wondered if I'd missed something.
― kinder, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:52 (nine years ago) link
There is a fair chance that they have mixed up the terms 'people of colour' and 'minority ethnicity' in their heads , I'd have thought.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
Someone should maybe point that out to them and see if they respond.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
I would not expect a coherent response but really want him to do so...
― kinder, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
there's definitely something minstrely about their antics.
Robert Plant using the term "spook music" in a tv interview a few years ago didn't help.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
well now I am humming that to the tune of "Antmusic" and fuck everything forever
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 02:29 (nine years ago) link
― kinder, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:29 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:46 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"people of colour" sounds like this to me too actually
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 06:36 (nine years ago) link
It's like a it's like someone started to say "coloured people" and then caught themselves & lamely tried to save it
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 06:42 (nine years ago) link
It's like a
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 06:43 (nine years ago) link
The term "people of color" always makes me want to start using the term "colorless people."
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
i bet
― balls, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 13:31 (nine years ago) link
I don't see color, ability or gender. I just see translucent bubbles floating toward me on the sidewalk.
People are much easier to pop when you look at them like that.
― pplains, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
one of the most prominent anti-systemic racism/sj orgs in pdx is called the coalition of communities of color, and they use the term "people of color" a lot in their work... ie: "there's an 80% unemployment rate amongst people of color", etc.
initially i reacted very similarly to the posters itt when i heard the way the org used the term, but ime they are pretty damn progressive both in ethos and in the way they redefine census categories to reach more nuanced definitions of race and ethnicity (particularly wrt slavic or middle eastern or african communities, which are difficult to study using normal census categories). clearly they are supported by funds/foundations so it's difficult to say who exactly chose to use the term or who self-identifies as such, but it does seem to be embraced by all sorts of folks involved in this type of work - i'm not sure if that's necessarily a valid defense of the term, but i'm certainly more than willing to defer to others with considerably more expertise
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
this term has been in use since the mid-90s
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link
I first encountered it in college, ethnic studies depts etc
Some comic from around that time - or maybe it was a Bill Hicks routine or something - featuring the wacky "So yes, I'm working with persons of color" ... "You mean.... colored people then." "NO! THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID!", etc.
It was edgy. Extreme and out there, dudes.
― pplains, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
Daily Telegraph blogger and commentator Toby Young wrote: "In his defence, Hansen could cite the fact that America's foremost civil rights group is the NAACP which stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. If it's acceptable for the NAACP to use the word "coloured", why isn't it acceptable for him?"[28]
Hansen issued an apology the following day, saying "'I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused – this was never my intention and I deeply regret the use of the word."[29][30]
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
xps used way before the mid-90s, no?
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
oh yeah, People of Color (POC) is a widely used term. I haven't heard "People of Ethnicity" before, but I imagine its an expansion to cover white people from other countries.
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:44 (nine years ago) link
good ol Fanon
Influenced by radical theorists like Frantz Fanon, racial justice activists in the U.S. began to use the term people of color in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
Hansen correctly assuming that if Toby Young is on your side you must be behaving like a cunt.
― You are the worst breed of fong (stevie), Thursday, 10 July 2014 08:36 (nine years ago) link
I am aware this term is a thing btw, and it still sounds weird and hedgy to me
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 09:47 (nine years ago) link
Wonder if it's a uk/us divide - iirc lex is not too happy w the term either
― 龜, Thursday, 10 July 2014 11:26 (nine years ago) link
I don't have thoughts re "people/person of color" because I feel like it's none of my business to affirm or object--I'll do what I'm told. The term is widely used among progressive, anti-racist, anti-oppression movement people and groups. Which doesn't mean I think it shouldn't still be scrutinized, but afaict it's not seen as problematic by any/most.
Porting that construction over to ethnicity seems like a thuddishly poor choice though--as if no one has "ethnicity" except ppl who aren't mainstream white America, whatever that means and whoever gets to define that, which is so constructed and so much used to exclude whoever is "bad" in popular right-wing myth right now that it's meaningless.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:16 (nine years ago) link
For the American market, I mean, obv.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:19 (nine years ago) link
-as if no one has "ethnicity" except ppl who aren't mainstream white America,
It was someone in the UK using "people of ethnicity"
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:44 (nine years ago) link
Oh well that's completely different then
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:47 (nine years ago) link
POC works where other terms don't (non-white, minority) because the other terms center whiteness as the norm. "minority" also doesnt work from a simple mathematical standpoint because POC are the majority of the people on the planet. people of color works better than colored people because of its person-first language (compare with 'people with disabilities' and 'disabled people'). descriptive without being restrictive.
― it's not a fedora, it's a trill bae (m bison), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:49 (nine years ago) link
"People of ethnicity" is not a term used in the UK. The usual phrase is "BME people".
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
I'm with orbit about "it's not really my say," but the phrase is still centering whiteness as the norm since what it's really saying is "persons of color other than white."
― pplains, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link
- "So great to be here in Nigeria. Just look at all these people of color."
- "You know, we just call ourselves 'people' here. Perhaps it is you with the peachy pink hues that's so colorful."
- "Yes. Together we make quite the rainbow."
- "Rainbow? If you ever see a pink and brown rainbow in the sky, you'd better get a gas mask."
― pplains, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
google results for "BME people" are all for biomedical engineering depts.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea what BME stands for <------ so says an actual British person
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
I gotta BME
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
Black / Minority Ethnic.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
all these terms are primarily useful in societies/institutions/environments that are dominated by white ppl, it's never going to be a general term bc most of the world has little use for a concept of 'non-white ppl in general' however its phrased
― ogmor, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link
ah yeah, we'd probably use it more in phrases like "BME families", "BME communities" etc.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link
Does BME include Irish?
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
Not usually.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
Well I was joking but being Irish is usually a category on its own when filling out Equal Opportunity forms.
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
LOL UK amirite?
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
xpost dunno but it did sign Chyna Whyte
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Sometimes Irish are listed as BME. Depends on circumstances.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
Think there's probably residual admiration for Germany too pouring over from admiration for German brands too
Probably a racial component too, Germany happens to be the 'right kind if white' but IDK if it'd be articulated in that way
Idk, I can ask my cousin - she's a big fan of Germany
― 龜, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:45 (10 minutes ago) Permalink
― conrad, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
pplains otm. I mean I don't waste time objecting to the term because I don't think derailing conversations about race is valuable unless that's your sole aim, just seemed worth mentioning cause ppl were talking about how terrible p.o.ethnicity is, and I don't see that this phrase frames whiteness as the default any less. but I don't use it & nor does anyone I know. Lots of ppl doing important work like the term, fine, I find it awkward & mealy-mouthed. As long as nobody's saying that activists necessarily get the final say on how everyone should feel about these terms, it's not really a thing.
Lots of xps
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
interesting that "POC" came into wide american usage thru fanon, but i don't think he's the originator of the term -- iirc (dimly) it's a french coinage from its own colonial times -- meant as a catch-all term for the varieties of people descended from both french and africans
but tbh i'm getting this from this book: http://www.tomreiss.com/node/18 and it's only touched upon glancingly in the explicit connection. he uses "people of color" because it's the term extant in all the legal documents from the era
― goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
I'm glad we can all agree that the real problem is activists telling people how to feel a way.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
An HR person in the UK used it when talking specifically about 'diversity awareness training' and it jarred. I was wondering if this was the new POC, which to me as a Brit does sound odd on its own but as IO says, it seems to have been widely accepted so who am I to object.
― kinder, Thursday, 10 July 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link
NME people?
― how's life, Thursday, 10 July 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:57 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah don't be a d*ck
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link
or ok I guess I phrased it badly, sorry
this is a verrrry unperfect phrase being used to describe a giant fucking mass of people, I was saying that when some of them feel a bit iffy about that phrase then it'd be uncool to argue "well these people like it so nobody gets to argue" and then acknowledged that prob nobody itt was making that argument
― when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
When I was younger a lot of older australians called migrants "ethnics", fwiw. The other quaint old phrase boomers used was "new Australians".
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Friday, 11 July 2014 04:21 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:26 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
more like an activist/non-activist divide ime. i still dislike "POC" but end up using it for the sake of convenience these days. instinctively prefer "non-white" because yeah, it centres whiteness, but it also reminds us that whiteness is centred anyway, and whiteness being centred is the reason disparate non-white ethnicities have any reason to be lumped together at all.
"BME" in the uk is more the language of non-offensive officialdom than common parlance.
― lex pretend, Saturday, 12 July 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
not really the thread for it but there are similar arguments about "people with disabilities" as mentioned earlier - social model activists would say that this construction places the disability in the individual as opposed to "disabled people" which tries to indicate that people are disabled by the social structures around them
― Daphnis Celesta, Saturday, 12 July 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
I thought there was a Rolling "This IS Racist" thread? Anyway, that's where this belongs
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 July 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
From the HR dept that brought us 'people of ethnicity', a whole salespitch about how great 'diversity management' is. With no definition of that term anywhere - at face value it sounds like 'ethnic cleansing' or something. They also stated that some people are non-ethnic (despite defining 'ethnicity' elsewhere in the expected way).
― kinder, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
diversity management: you know, infiltrating their organizations, paying for more riot patrol overtime, defunding preschool programs
― j., Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
i'm hispanic and i use 'people of color' regularly. my dad who is an immigrant HATES 'people of color' to him it's exactly the same as "colored people." when my brother went to college, he received a letter of welcome from the students of color organization and my dad flipped out and was so offended that they were labeling my brother as "colored." i tried to explain to him that the term "people of color" is widely used by anti-racism activists as a way to promote solidarity among nonwhite people but he didn't really get it. in the same conversation i told my mom that "queer" was reclaimed similarly by LGBT communities and she was very surprised.
i also use 'non-white' fairly often too.
i understand why someone would find 'people of color' just as meaningless as 'people of ethnicity' but i find the latter to be very clunky. but yet all of these terms locate whiteness as the norm/center, and i don't know if you can get away from that in a world where whiteness is exactly that.
― marcos, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
i don't know if you can get away from that in a world where whiteness is exactly that.
eh not that whiteness is the norm but that it is the "perceived norm", maybe "center" is really the better word
― marcos, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah definitely. i don't really get the issue, whiteness affects all "non-whiteness" in specific, massive infrastructural ways, and a term like "poc" is sort of necessary to address that. like a lot of things i think a lot of resistance to it is because it strikes people as new and tacky. especially if they mentally link it to tumblr. never underestimate perceived tackiness.
otoh a lot of people cling to "POC" when they're really just talking about one race. i've seen a lot of people use it when they're really only talking about black people, i guess bc people treat it as the "sensitive" term to use rather than a term with a specific purpose, and in that way it can be used to unintentionally whitewash things by failing to address specific issues that don't apply to all POC.
i don't get "people of ethnicity" doesn't everyone have ethnicity? i think i am a people of ethnicity. that seems built off of a misuse of the word. usually regarding cuisine. university "department of ethnicity"s make sense to me cause i've always interpreted that as being the sort of study of ethnicities in relation to each other, and it's difficult for an entire dept to study minority ethnicities without confronting majority ones.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
Ethnicity makes all sort of sense in the Asian American context, "Asian" not being a 'race' in the same way that being 'white' or 'black' is, although people will often try to use it in that way
I imagine it is the same with the descriptor Latin@
― 龜, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 23:26 (nine years ago) link
oh god "department of ethnicity" what is wrong with me
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 24 July 2014 00:30 (nine years ago) link
I remember reading something (I think written by the woman who was so enamored of her cowboy boyfriend who treated her like shit?) about how Latino is an artificial construct designed by Europeans to erase the identities of indigenous Americans that was fascinating. Let me see if I can find it...
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
I imagine it is the same with the descriptor Latin@― 龜, Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 龜, Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in my experience it much less about "ethnicity" w/ hispanics/latinos than nationality. most of us are mestizos anyway, we don't really belong to an "ethnic group" but we have origins in different nations. obviously there are very large indigenous populations esp. from mexico, peru, bolivia that you could categorize as "ethnic groups" and calling many of those purely indigenous peoples "hispanic" or "latino" makes zero fucking sense. but your average mestizo from the DR, guatemala, chile, argentina, etc. is going to identify primarily by their nation of origin, if they are american-born and second or third-generation. e.g. i am "peruvian" but i don't really think there are ethnic peruvians unless you are talking about indigenous groups, and with those you can name a specific group.
― marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
"is going to identify primarily by their nation of origin, *EVEN if they are american-born and second or third-generation."
― marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
xxp I was reminded of that tidbit yesterday when a La Raza spokesperson said on an MSNBC show that Latinos are in/from every racial group, including I think she said "indigenous" and it seemed a reasonable and obvious point. But back when I read that abusive cowboy writer's thing, it was a new idea to me that the Native (American) population didn't, like, STOP at the US-Mexico border and become a different group.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
xp like a mestizo from the andes in peru is going to identify as "peruvian" while a mestizo from the andes in bolivia will identify as "bolivian" even though ethnically they are probably very similar. if they are emigrate to the US they are called "latino" but they will still identify as their nationality.
― marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
I mean when people are like, "Where did all the Indians go?" and they're talking about the "vanished" tribes of the Southwest, the answer is surely "South, following the rain and liveable habitats and trade routes and ending up in Central and South America, you idiot." But all my life the "disappearance" of the Pueblo population groups was literally presented in actually books as a MYSTERY. PERHAPS THEY WENT THROUGH THE KIVA HOLE BACK TO THE SPIRIT WORLD, like.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
lol, otm. it's the same as the maya. in school we learned that the maya "mysteriously disappeared" but if you go to southern mexico and guatemala there are plenty of fucking maya there. yes there were severe population declines during the collapse of peak maya civilization and again during spanish conquest and subsequent diseases. but they are still there.
― marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:55 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
Right - I was letting my own experience get in the way, since countries in Asia tend more to be mono-ethnic; 'nationality' is more accurate
― 龜, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
i don't get "people of ethnicity" doesn't everyone have ethnicity?
doesn't everybody have a colouring
― wins, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
we've all seen Tilda Swinton
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
Seen through, you mean
― 龜, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
Skin is an efficient scatterer of light unfortunately. Medical imaging would be much easier if absorption were the only issue.
― chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 25 July 2014 05:31 (nine years ago) link
Is this etsy Boston Terrier Day of the Dead Sugar Skull necklace questionable cultural appropriation???
https://img0.etsystatic.com/022/1/5470591/il_570xN.482972762_j4gt.jpg
― ed.b, Saturday, 26 July 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
I only had to read as far as the word "Boston" to know it was racist
― bernard snowy, Saturday, 26 July 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
ok, but this doesn't have anything to do with Boston
― ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
Feel like that is very standard day of the dead appropriation. No excuse but that is all over SoCal.
― chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 27 July 2014 03:49 (nine years ago) link
We have a music festival this summer with the theme "lost in Latin America" which features British ppl doing 'Mexican wrestling' and tonnes of Day Of The Dead iconography as 'fancy dress' but very, very little in the way of irl Latin American artists on the lineup.
http://www.standon-calling.com/line-up
The Cuban Brothers, Mayans, The Menendez Brothers and Venezuelan Alien have no direct connection to the region, afaict.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 07:10 (nine years ago) link
Wait, the Menendez brothers playing at music festivals now?
― ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:38 (nine years ago) link
tbf every town has its white-kids-play-the-music-of-other-cultures-really-shittily band scene
― Daphnis Celesta, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:42 (nine years ago) link
I'm generally ok with that, tbh, as it generally indicates a level of engagement that goes beyond dress up and cultural stereotypes. If a bunch of kids in Rotherham want to form a calypso band, more power to them. The whole festival appearing to be themed around a cartoon version of Latin culture sits less well with me.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:02 (nine years ago) link
Could learn from http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jul/25/canadian-festival-bans-native-american-style-headdresses
― ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
that is awesome, hope coachella is paying attention
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Sunday, 27 July 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
― ed.b
Haha. "We'd like to dedicate this next one to our parents, for making it all possible."
― nickn, Sunday, 27 July 2014 21:03 (nine years ago) link
someone just wished me happy eid even though i am not a muslim! the nerve of some people!!!
j/k
― the late great, Monday, 28 July 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
Wish this would catch on elsewhere.
Was at a festival in HK in December and saw plenty of headdresses worn by European expats. I found that most European students I met just didn't "get it" and fet that N. America was overly sensitive about contemporary forms of racism.
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 28 July 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
http://f1.bcbits.com/img/a3662428547_10.jpg
― marcos, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
We've finally moved on from "I'm big in Japan"
― 龜, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
wtf is that even
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
something that needs a NSFW flag for those of us with images off
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, 4 August 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
This isn't a very well-written article but the comments say so much about white pushback at any suggestion that anything white people do short of blackface (and maybe not even that) is even a teensy bit racist.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/04/katy-perry-avril-lavigne-pop-culture-peddling-racism?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 4 August 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, July 28, 2014 3:23 PM (1 week ago)
something might be said about the difference between that sort of appropriation by white americans and by, well ... by anyone else. i have the sense that a great many people don't see cultural appropriation as a terribly offensive thing in itself, in isolation, lederhosen donned by non bavarians or whatever. appropriated by whom and to what end is where things get sticky. we object most passionately when the privileged cruelly mock or thoughtlessly adopt the identity of those they oppress; therefore white americans in blackface, native american ceremonial garb, etc. europeans might understandably see themselves as operating at a substantial remove from all that.
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Monday, 4 August 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
^ maybe replace that "understandably" w/ "rightly or wrongly", perspective involved, chains of responsibilty
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Monday, 4 August 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
huh that's a read on that divide that had never occurred to me. thoughtful.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
I would usually put this in the Race '14 thread since there's no question about this one, but it's germane to the conversation, I guess.
You'll have to excuse me though, I can't ever remember if it's the Mirror or the Mail that's always taking the piss.
A mayonnaise factory manager has quit his job – to live as a NATIVE AMERICAN.He might not quite be sitting bull, but Les Atkins is going to follow his dreams and tour the country teaching people about the Native American way of life.The 65-year-old from Walsall, West Midlands retired from his job on July 31 after 15 years of service - but now plans to spend his days dressed as his alter-ego Native American.
He might not quite be sitting bull, but Les Atkins is going to follow his dreams and tour the country teaching people about the Native American way of life.
The 65-year-old from Walsall, West Midlands retired from his job on July 31 after 15 years of service - but now plans to spend his days dressed as his alter-ego Native American.
I won't repost the pix, but you can find them at the link.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/mayonnaise-factory-manager-gives-up-3986921
― pplains, Monday, 4 August 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
That Low Country Kingdom thing is fascinating
― cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
'White, military people have crashed (?) and now are underwater (but also in a burning city) surrounded by dangerous but admiring non-white mermaids, the white men maintain their composure'
― cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
Seems to have nothing to do with China though?
― cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
sketchfactor "has a reporting mechanism for racial profiling," so it's got that going for it.
― le hague, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
I downloaded Sketchfactor and 99% of the entries are trolling, and some are really funny
― Dan I., Monday, 11 August 2014 02:18 (nine years ago) link
Charlie Rich - Behind Closed Doors [Started by Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose) in September 2003, last updated 51 seconds ago by Jazzbo on I Love Music] 6 new answers
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:20 (nine years ago) link
what do u think of the word 'jazzbo'
2 US archaic A person, especially a black man.
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:22 (nine years ago) link
Here are names of some toys that will make many reader squinch: Jazzbo Jim, Tombo Alabama Coon Jigger, Ham and Sam, and Somstepa Coon Jigger. They certainly don't represent the finest hour of American manufacturing history.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-05-05/features/1991125223_1_black-memorabilia-jigger-jazzbo
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:23 (nine years ago) link
I had never heard that meaning of jazzbo before! Had always taken it to mean geeks with sick chops.
― how's life, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:25 (nine years ago) link
note that it doesnt say it is derogatory in itself, just that any 'neutral' word for 'a person, especially a black man' in early 20th c america will inevitably carry the value inferences of its age
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link
I always thought jazzbo was a beatnik term--like a white dude grooving to a Charlie Parker set
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:30 (nine years ago) link
that brief definition is provided by oxfordictionaries.com without any etymological support, not that i question their scholarship. i'm curious about this usage, though, as it's new to me. i wonder whether the word was ever really in common use in this extremely generic sense. perhaps the mention simply reflects the tendency of racist whites to turn anything associated with black culture into a hateful epithet?
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:55 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/QGAn8IU.jpg
this is selling for $1900 on ebay
sick mouthy should be looking to expect around £25,000 for his mint condition ronaldinho bottle opener in 50 years time
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
can i still call jazz guys "cats"?
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
only if you're talking about the ownership of their bases
― Nhex, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
does the name of the toy describe the character as a musician (playing banjo, "dancer"), or is it simply generic? and is there any clear difference between the two, given popular racist notions regarding "natural" aptitudes?
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:17 (nine years ago) link
asking because i don't think that the tendency of racists to use the language of black culture in a hateful manner should be granted the power to render the language racist. suppose it's a question of degree.
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Someone should ask a Black person.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
[nods sagely]
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Albert Richard "Jazzbo" Collins (born January 4, 1919, Rochester, New York[1] — d. September 30, 1997, Marin County, California) was an American disc jockey, radio personality and recording artist who was briefly the host of NBC television's Tonight show in 1957.
The name "Jazzbo" derived from a product Collins had seen, a clip-on bowtie named Jazzbows.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
Let's ask Prince Jazzbo.
http://dublab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jazzbo.jpeg
Except he's dead. What about another DJ, Jazzbo Collins?
http://cover7.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/52/1054352.jpg
A popular segment on his show was the "no stinkin' badges" routine. Al would politely request the main guest for that day don a Mexican bandit costume, complete with ammo belts crossing the chest, six-guns in holsters, a huge sombrero and large fake mustache. The guest then had to pose in front of cameras and for the TV audience. With pistols pointing at the camera lens the guest had to say (with emphasis) "I don't got to show you no stinkin' badges." If the guest did not say it with sufficient sinister tone Collins made him or her repeat it until in Al's opinion the guest got it right.
But he's dead too.
― pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
also from al "jazzbo"'s wikipedia page:
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
oh sorry for the repeat post. you've got to be quick on this site.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
in any event, at least one jazzbo, we know, was racist
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
Oof. My dad has a few Al "Jazzbo" Collins 78s that he played for me when I was a kid, and I remember them as being hilarious, but no idea if they hold up. That's some seriously fucked-up shit about his tv show, though.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
Elvis Costello gets Stroppy with Aging Jazzbo
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
apparently, it was once thought by some that the genre's appellation descended from a musician named "jazzbo"
that's according to this site, anyway
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
the word "jazz" comes from "jasm", which meant semen but also was used to denote vitality and energy. this according to an art history professor from college.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
All this jazzbo talk, I was about to make a witty remark about the Hasbro toy company.
But wait. Remember when "bro" was more of an African American reference, soul brother 70s street "jive" talk, etc?
Now it's more about frat boys and white people who surprise each other with bottles of Smirnoff Ice. Hasbro indeed.
― pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
Most of the music's innovators -- Ellington, Miles, Mingus, Monk, many others -- hated the term "jazz," which they (rightly) saw as limiting and demeaning at best.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^fuck elvis i just picked up a gary peacock/mal waldren record at a garage sale, dude rules
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
who'd have thought a racial slur would be mentioned in conjunction with elvis costello
― a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0c2GQWBdY
― Gay Fire Beautiful Dong (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 14 September 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
Native America Become “Naturally Lazy” on The FADER
― well-behaved wingmen really hate Mystery (DJ Mencap), Monday, 29 September 2014 08:28 (nine years ago) link
http://circuitsweet.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/b994e988-8fe7-4892-a306-7ba905033ad1.jpg
ha ha
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 29 September 2014 08:30 (nine years ago) link
are you fucking kidding me
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 29 September 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
brb, tearing my face off in frustration
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
When asked about the origin of their band name, frontman Ross Farbe explained, “I was thinking about the heritage of the music I wanted to create, and how rock and roll originated in America. It’s a joining of cultures and influences that could only happen in our young, strange country.”
― marcos, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link
yes this is racist
sigh
― Nhex, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
“People are scared to love the Beatles,” says Ross Farbe, vocalist and guitarist of New Orleans dream-pop, rock ‘n’ roll band Native America. “Along with that, the Beach Boys. Another band that everyone’s afraid to like. We adore them.”
― nakhchivan, Monday, 29 September 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
are we at that point in the decade again, because I thought people love the shit out of those
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 29 September 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
People are scared to love the Beatles and Beach Boys? Was there ever a time or place where this was true?
― Nhex, Monday, 29 September 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
iran, 1980
― nakhchivan, Monday, 29 September 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
Soviet Union in 1970?
― Mordy, Monday, 29 September 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
and so forth
― nakhchivan, Monday, 29 September 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
sad that quote is too long for a thread title
all right, fine, ya got me
― Nhex, Monday, 29 September 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Scared to hate them more like... LOL 'scared' tho
― The Count has shot himself (Tom D.), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
That's what's wrong with music these days, not enough musicians hate the Beatles
― The Count has shot himself (Tom D.), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link
looks like a still from 'the strokes - the high school years'.
― bnw, Monday, 29 September 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
first they came for the beatles
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
guilty of loving the beatles
― Yo Gotti Nutter Ting Hummin' (President Keyes), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
also qualifies for the unfortunate band photo thread. First track doesn't sound too bad, a little like Dr. Dog.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 September 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
http://www.epicurious.com/articlesguides/blogs/editor/2014/09/thug-kitchen-author-real-names-revealed.html
― polyphonic, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:26 (nine years ago) link
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
Yes
― 龜, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
why didn't they just cut to the chase and call it NIGGER CHOW
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
just coming here to post that
― ╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
http://epicurious.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451cb0369e201bb078ecd24970d-pi
― mattresslessness, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
THUG LIFE
― polyphonic, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
Nnnoooo I wanted TK to be real!
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:37 (nine years ago) link
"real"
― example (crüt), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link
Has ghettohikes taught us nothing?
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link
Maybe they just wanted to imply that the food was filling enough for hired mafia muscle.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
Or a cult of Indian assassins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee
maybe they just wahttp://epicurious.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451cb0369e201bb078ecd24970d-pi
― example (crüt), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:43 (nine years ago) link
Even with the alleged decline in ILX brainpower over the years, I really don't think you need to annotate a Thuggee joke
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:43 (nine years ago) link
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
I lingered on the post button for many seconds with that one
I guess I liked to think there was a real Black dude from I dunno East Flatbush or something who was THAT into healthy eating as a from of subversive self-care.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
The red mist cleared enough for me to start reading the article and
I read lengthy passages out loud to the entire staff in a voice that I can only describe as excessively masculine in a way that I am definitely not.
I cannot wait for someone to murder these people
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Months later, after a bit of detective work and a fair amount of sweet-talking, I found myself driving through East Hollywood on the way to sample some dairy-free ice cream from Scoops, blasting Gucci Mane's "Lemonade" with the windows down.
deej?????
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
I didn't actually think he was in Brooklyn (also I've only seen the blog like twice) but that's how I imagined the author. This is infuriating.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
Then, in early April, actress Gwyneth Paltrow included a link to Thug Kitchen in her GOOP newsletter, with no other commentary or explanation other than that This might be my favorite thing ever.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
http://theghettokitchen.tumblr.com/
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfgmua9QVK1qadi7y.jpg
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
Ok, wait. why are we on the Is This Racist? thread again?
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
For the past year, The Thugs focused on developing ("we'll test a recipe into the ground," says Davis), shooting, and writing about over 100 recipes.
STOP CALLING THEM "THE THUGS" YOU USELESS TOOL
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
tbh, having never heard of this before and now looking at the "thug kitchen" posts, they don't even read as "black" to me and seems to have this more vague kind of lol informal/cursing tone that I've seen in other internet humor, e.g. http://whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/ Maybe in some multiple steps removed way that traces back to white-guy-talking-"ghetto" humor though. Or maybe I'm missing the offending posts. Or maybe they are just so bad at what they are doing that they are failing to even do a convincing "generic black thug" voice.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
With a slate of book tour takes to support the release lined up and a hilarious cookbook trailer making the rounds, things don't look to be slowing down for Holloway and Davis.
Here is their "hilarious cookbook trailer":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar7g_26QWu0
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
brb gettingVEGAN 29 YEAR OLD WHITE PERSON LIFEtattooed on my belly
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 29 September 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link
Is there a "This Is Racist" thread?
― polyphonic, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
this just seems like a lot of gratuitous swearing, and that's the whole schtick...? I dunno. why would anyone read this.
the most racist thing about it is probably just calling it Thug Kitchen
― Οὖτις, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link
I've thought about making one but 1) finding racist stuff on the internet is like putting a stick of dynamite into a bucket of fish and 2) it would be too depressing and what purpose would it serve?
― 龜, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link
There is the Rolling 2014 Thread on Race
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
Thug Race Threads - Pullin' out your gat, shootin' fish in a barrel.
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
Pplains I decided not to call it the "Rolling 2014 Thread on Race and Racism" like last year for a reason, stated in the first post
― 龜, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
Second post in that thread is hatcat.
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link
Hoisted by my own hatcat
― 龜, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
That's a noble first post though.
There has to be something between that and "Is this white couple and their cooking tome entitled Thug Kitchen racist?"
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
"Coming up, a Parkay commercial in which little children run around a dining room table so fast, they turn into butter. But first – shots fired in Ferguson, Mo. for a second time this evening..."
― pplains, Monday, 29 September 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
What is Parkay? How does it compare to Crisco
― 龜, Monday, 29 September 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
crisco doesn't talk
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 September 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
lol person on [interent blogger I like]'s comment feed says, "Guys if we keep hammering on them we'll never get to see the sequel: "Ghetto Cookin'" so basically djp ahead by an hour.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 29 September 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
tbf I think DJP's version is jaw-droopingly better
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 29 September 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
droppingly
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Droopy_dog.png
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 29 September 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
Make the slaw:Cut the cabbage into the thinnest strips you can and make sure those pieces are no longer than 2 inches. This is a great time to get good with your knife if you are looking for a silver f**king lining in all that chopping. Chop the carrot into thin matchsticks of the same length. Got that s**t down now, right? In a small bowl, mix together the lime juice, vinegar, oil, and salt. Add the dressing right before you are going to eat and toss that s**t well. Fold in the cilantro just before serving.Make the tacos:Crank your oven to 400°F. Chop the cauliflower into small florets no bigger than a quarter. In a saucepan over medium heat, warm the beer, broth, lime juice, tamari, hot sauce, and garlic. Add the cauliflower and simmer for about 90 seconds. Drain.In a large bowl. toss the spices, salt, and olive oil together. Add the cauliflower and onion and stir 'til those f**kers are coated. Dump it on a rimmed baking sheet and bake until browned, stirring halfway, about 20 minutes.To assemble the tacos, warm the tortillas in the oven or microwave for a hot minute and then pile them high with the cauliflower filling, slices of avocado, some of the slaw, and top with plenty of salsa.
Make the tacos:Crank your oven to 400°F. Chop the cauliflower into small florets no bigger than a quarter. In a saucepan over medium heat, warm the beer, broth, lime juice, tamari, hot sauce, and garlic. Add the cauliflower and simmer for about 90 seconds. Drain.
In a large bowl. toss the spices, salt, and olive oil together. Add the cauliflower and onion and stir 'til those f**kers are coated. Dump it on a rimmed baking sheet and bake until browned, stirring halfway, about 20 minutes.
To assemble the tacos, warm the tortillas in the oven or microwave for a hot minute and then pile them high with the cauliflower filling, slices of avocado, some of the slaw, and top with plenty of salsa.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 29 September 2014 23:44 (nine years ago) link
so many much yes yes yes
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 29 September 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
your fucking dinner
― nickn, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 01:09 (nine years ago) link
Coming up, a Parkay commercial in which little children run around a dining room table so fast, they turn into butter.
Wait, this isn't real, right? There's no way they made my grandma an ad exec – she just died a few months ago.
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 01:11 (nine years ago) link
Sarah Jessica Parker stars as Sarah Daniels, a Lancaster schoolteacher who developed a deep prejudice against minorities, especially blacks. She decided to relocate to Belmont, Vermont, with the hopes that it will be 'all white', and gets hired in Belmont College. She does not disclose her past to anyone, but when an African-American student, Simon Brick, becomes the victim of hate crime, she soon realizes that not only will her past return to haunt her, she will be expected to be the liaison person for the minorities, as well as be asked to prepare a 10-point bullet-ed list to resolve racism.
― pplains, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
Coming in Spring 2009
http://content9.flixster.com/movie/10/87/56/10875675_800.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/PFkDOvJ.png
― pplains, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:13 (nine years ago) link
little children run around a dining room table so fast, they turn into butter.
i'm not sure I get this.
― Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 03:30 (nine years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Little_Black_Sambo
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 03:31 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i grew up with that book sad to say
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 03:37 (nine years ago) link
To answer the thread question, yes, it's racist.
SJP starring as a racist teacher who's forced to write a ten-bullet essay for Bubba Gump on how to resolve racism in Vermont? I dunno, could go either way on that one.
― pplains, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 03:44 (nine years ago) link
Total Lifetime GrossesDomestic: $8,064Domestic SummaryOpening Weekend: $5,534(#79 rank, 4 theaters, $1,384 average)% of Total Gross: 68.6%
Widest Release: 4 theatersClose Date: April 2, 2009In Release: 7 days / 1 weeks
― salthigh, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 04:02 (nine years ago) link
I have my own personal rant about how that kind of cliched film reifies the stance that a passionate teacher fixes every SES problem and reverses all historical baggagethank u nice wite ladies for JOURNALING even with TEEN PREGNINCE
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 04:25 (nine years ago) link
that's why we don't deserve due process and everything is tied to test scores
blah blha blah inappropriate place to rant
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 04:26 (nine years ago) link
Also srsly no
1. this is just horrible dear lord how did they get a book deal
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 04:59 (nine years ago) link
Didn't realize you hated Hipster Puppies that much
― 龜, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:32 (nine years ago) link
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), 29. syyskuuta 2014 23:47 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yw5Mf9RlW0
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 13:16 (nine years ago) link
I want the names and addresses of those four theaters.
― pplains, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
i saw thug kitchen once on facebook and assumed it was some white ppl, seemed really racist on the face of, without this "unmasking"
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:22 (nine years ago) link
I guess my issue is that it's not like black people HIDE when they do stuff like this, so the complete lack of actual physical presence should be taken as a 95% indicator that here be non-black people
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
dont see whats racist about itordered a thug kitchen 'stop snitchen' tshirt for my nephew from their etsy page last yearhere in upscale MA suburbia vegan fusion is breaking in a big way right now
― Contrappunto dialettico alla mente (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
you almost had me until that last bit, nakh
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link
"No snitchin' in the kitchen" aprons, STICHED in Olde English font.... Etsy.com, www.youre-really-clicking-on-this?.com19
― pplains, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/politics/boston-herald-cartoon/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
The Herald is so bad that this verges on being a non-story
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
xp to Tuomas
Oh. The person I wrote that comment to also made a Dead Prez reference but I assumed she meant Dead Presidents and I didn't follow that up with any more thoughts.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
hey nakh how do you feel about pampered chef
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure Jerry Holbert's going to be rated around No. 50 or so in the ILX Comics poll.
― pplains, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
idk pampered chef is not really a thing around here in liberal ma, it is also a wholly owned subsidiary of berkshire hathaway which is not a good look for me right nowsuper into rad scandinavian food right now and watching anything related to noma on youtuberene redzepi is just multiple iterations of next level
― Contrappunto dialettico alla mente (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link
my sister threw a pampered chef party and we bought a couple of things
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
xp the newer bourdain show (parts unknown?) did a pretty good ep on noma if you haven't already checked it out
i want proof that dude's kids were actually using watermelon toothpaste
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
tbh I've almost bought the kids watermelon toothpaste a few times when looking for travel sized toothpaste
Other flavors I passed on: bubblegum
This was in China tho
― 龜, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71clXHKG95L._SY355SX182_SY355_CR,0,0,182,355_PIbundle-6,TopRight,0,0_SX182_SY355_CR,0,0,182,355_SH20_.jpg
― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
why didn't this cartoonist thought of fried chicken toothpaste
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
the thing I love is that the cartoonist straight up came forward and realized he maybe picked the wrong fruit, but the Boston Herald went with that old college newspaper standard of HE WAS JUST SATIRIZING RACISM SOMEHOW every time some kid doodles a sambo
― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
very constructive post (xpost)
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
Cartoon was at that level of stupidity and ignorance.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
I know you all aren't saying "Well, here's an example of watermelon toothpaste. I don't know what the big deal is." I know this, right?
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but why sink to that level xp
― 龜, Thursday, 2 October 2014 01:10 (nine years ago) link
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
I would've all wrote "Hey, Obama! Figure a Socialist like you would be using Arm & Hammer!"
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 02:37 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EbIjFTi.gif
I feel that was half-hearted but I will always root for Osama thumbs-up
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 04:04 (nine years ago) link
my wife found some notes on a comedy sketch in progress (or is it an actual starbucks order???) on the ground by an apartment building up the street.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/photo4_zps89009bd6.jpg
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 2 October 2014 05:01 (nine years ago) link
hey guys i've got a comedy idea, the Warsaw 'ghetto'. its poland in 1942 and the jews of warsaw have been herded into appalling conditions in a tiny quarter of the city but instead of being starved and terrified they're all like 'thuglife, bee-yatch' lol
― intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 2 October 2014 09:40 (nine years ago) link
carmel machiado for me please
― kinder, Thursday, 2 October 2014 09:43 (nine years ago) link
don't gimme Any a dat
― intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 2 October 2014 09:43 (nine years ago) link
Ralph Machiado
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:36 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/black-donor-sperm-mistakenly-sent-white-mom-jennifer-cramblett-suit-n215801
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
A friend-of-friend on facebook posted this. The outrage about being sent the wrong donor sperm is in the right, but making a case that it's extra damaging because now they have a black kid in a racist town is... uhh...
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
"I don't want her to ever feel like she's an outcast," Cramblett told NBC News.
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
Not all her friends and family members are racially sensitive.
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, I can't babysit for my grandchild because she's black? jesus christ
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
Attorney: This Was Not Like Ordering Pizza
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
tbf she does need to move the fuck out of Racisttown, Ohio, but this angle in the lawsuit is going to do wonders for this kid's psyche some day
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
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― intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link
towns that look like oniontowns but aren't
― please delete outrageous tanuki crappyposter (wins), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
tbf, a being black kid born to a lesbian couple in that part of the country sounds like you're going to have a bad time of things
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
""Getting a young daughter's hair cut is not particularly stressful for most mothers, but to Jennifer it is not a routine matter, because Payton has hair typical of an African American girl," the suit says. "To get a decent cut, Jennifer must travel to a black neighborhood, far from where she lives..."
― marcos, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
jfc
btw the answer to this thread's question is always, invariably, yes
I can't even begin to process this
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
Oh come on, you can't post that and not this:
http://i.imgur.com/gA6pNsk.png
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
*contemplates "PLAY VIDEO" icon, thinks "I believe I will pass", calmly flings despondent self into oncoming traffic*
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link
I've been through Uniontown many times, and if anything, I'm shocked to discover that there is an out lesbian couple living there. It's about 98-99% white and not lacking in Confederate flag stickers on bumpers. (Yes, Confederate flag stickers in Uniontown. I know.)
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link
how on earth is the kid going to process this, from her own mother? that she's not good enough?
― kinder, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
This should be linked to as well: http://jezebel.com/mom-suing-sperm-bank-over-biracial-baby-gives-on-camera-1641750642
In the segment from Fox 8 News in Cleveland, Cramblett stresses that she is taking legal action not because she doesn't love her biracial daughter Payton, but because of the gross neglect committed by Midwestern Sperm Bank."She just has a way about her that lights up the room," Cramblett says of Payton. "...I would... never imagine my life without her.""I was just floored by the fact that [the insemination] was so easily messed up," she added.
"She just has a way about her that lights up the room," Cramblett says of Payton. "...I would... never imagine my life without her."
"I was just floored by the fact that [the insemination] was so easily messed up," she added.
I mean for better or worse the woman clearly has a malpractice case. And she doesn't appear to want her daughter to bear any of the brunt of this.
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
This woman absolutely has a case. It's just that pursuing this case seems destined to completely destroy her daughter, particularly when she reads all of this for herself.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
Oh God, they gave me a Lutheran by mistake.
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
donor #294 lists Massachusetts as one of his hobbies
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
the lawsuit gives the impression that who she is is something to be ashamed and embarrassed about and tbh there could still be a lawsuit but why go all over the news with it?
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
I can sort of see suing them because they fucked up the order, but going through all of these "but I have to drive her to a different town for haircuts now!" whining is what's pushing this into the Y column.
"What will my neighbors think? Oh, they'll be so disgusted!"
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
Would she have sued if she had gotten the large-boned bartender who plays the drums? I know I would have.
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
More like suing because she got the Jack Black sperm, in that case.
― pplains, Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:18 (nine years ago) link
I'd be lying if I said "bone size" on the sperm donor catalogt wasn't sending me into fits of giggles
― example (crüt), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
the malpractice case makes sense. agreeing to do press to support the case seems fucking stupid.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
"We didn't think we'd get enough money to move with a malpractice suit so forced their hand by spelling out how hard it is to have a black child"
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
i feel like the only person in the world who is maybe too dumb or too insensitive to understand the malpractice part of it. how are there "damages" due to getting sperm other than the sperm they asked for? but that's a different topic and the answer is yes this is racist but not the most racist thing.
― flatizza (harbl), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
The situation is analogous to someone being administered the wrong medicine. The difference is that complaining about the side-effects of someone giving you the wrong medication is understandable and relatable, while complaining about the side-effects of accidentally having a biracial child and making that the meat and potatoes of your malpractice lawsuit is racist.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
in terms of malpractice getting the wrong sperm is pretty heinous - whether it's the wrong sperm (not your race) or the wrong sperm (not your husband's) is irrelevant. But if they're saying they should get more money because of race...yeah that's racist.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:12 (nine years ago) link
This is semi-complicated by them needing donor sperm, so one could argue that who the donor was wasn't as important as it would be for a heterosexual couple doing some fertility process, but one could also point out that that argument flies in the face of the expected practice around sperm donation and what the baseline expectations are when you walk in the door (ie, you will receive the sperm that you selected, not some random sperm that could be from anyone).
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
yeah i don't think marriage should define the "importance" of whether a woman has a right to know what sperm she's being impregnated with
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
or the importance of a medical practitioner getting it right
my point in bringing up that argument was to highlight how absurd and discriminatory it is, which does not excuse the absurd and discriminatory explanations given for the lawsuit
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah i know we're on the same page
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
i am just not seeing how heinous it is. i mean if you had wanted one white person's sperm but were accidentally given another white person's sperm, and--importantly--you found out about it (in a way other than the child having some genetic defect, or it not being your husband's when you wanted your husband's), there would be a breach of the clinic's duty to give people what they asked for. but no damages. i do not practice in the area of medical malpractice and do not want to. also i'm going outside to contemplate this not on the internet.
― flatizza (harbl), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
Because by removing her agency in donor selection you're coercing her into an unwanted pregnancy, effectively.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
I mean, if donor selection was no big deal, they would just dump all the sperm into a giant vat and hook you up to a spigot when it was time for implantation
that is a really horrifying image and I should delete it no no do not submit this fuck
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link
yeah to be clear i'm not a fan of any "you owe us for the damages inherent in having a biracial child" talk, i just think any place that fucks up who gets what sperm should be sued and possibly shut down on that alone.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
the fact that they are using the child's biracial makeup to strengthen their case is abhorrent, appalling and I hope they win the case and receive a judgment of $0 dollars
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:30 (nine years ago) link
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP)
so how does this work? Florida doesn't give me the same endorphin rush anymore.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
just dump all the sperm into a giant vat and hook you up to a spigot when it was time for implantation
lol Dan
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
thanks djp for that image
― Nhex, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:43 (nine years ago) link
dan was always, always going to make that post <3
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
tbf most men are giant sperm vats with a spigot
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukick72Qafc
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
http://imgur.com/gallery/dGoA9
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
What is life if not a giant vat of sperm with a spigot
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
Kody Firesheets2 months ago You say Lady Gaga, I say Lady Antebellum. You say Jason Derulo, I say Jason Aldean. You say T-Pain, I say T-Swift You say Ke$ha, I say Kenny. You say Pitbull, I say Paisley. You say Justin Bieber, I say Justin Moore and go grow a pair. 92% of teenagers have turned to Hip Hop and Pop. If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music, copy and paste this message to another 3 videos. Stop being a idiot and start listening to real music!!! COUNTRY!! thumbs up!!! BTW Brantley Gilbert is one of the best country artists.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
fyi that imgur link is just a stand-up comedy bit in gif-form, in case one worried
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
You say Justin Bieber, I say Justin Moore and go grow a pair.
wait kody grows a pair every time you say justin bieber? damn.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music, copy and paste this message to another 3 videos.
I kinda admire the precision
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
i wonder if kody meant to get "let's call the whole thing off" stuck in my head
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
which name is more improbable -- Kody Firesheets or Brantley Gilbert?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
latter headmaster of school for pyrotechnically giften kids attended by former in first in series of critically lamented bestsellers
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 October 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
directed by David Fincher
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
dame maggie smith in lauded cameo as "victim # 1" (lady with dog)
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 October 2014 23:09 (nine years ago) link
8% Hee Haw Nation
― Yo Gotti Nutter Ting Hummin' (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 October 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
You know, I had flies in the face of the expected practice around sperm donation copied and everything to have a lol @ djp's expense in this serious discussion, but then he twisted the knob on the spigot even further.
― pplains, Friday, 3 October 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
I mean, if donor selection was no big deal, they would just dump all the sperm into a giant vat and hook you up to a spigot when it was time for implantationthat is a really horrifying image and I should delete it no no do not submit this fuck
Stop me if you've heard this one before - a bigot gets hooked up to a giant sperm vat's spigot and...
― 龜, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:17 (nine years ago) link
fyi i wasn't saying it was no big deal or they shouldn't be shut down for fucking it up but just...why do they need to pay you. how do you win your lawsuit. BUT i do think you should be required by law to get inseminated at random.
― flatizza (harbl), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:19 (nine years ago) link
also, i wanted to bring this up: nazis eugenics hitler
T/S: Giant vat of sperm or the goop gun
― 龜, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:20 (nine years ago) link
goop gun just like taco bell
― flatizza (harbl), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
I do remember that clinics would regularly advertise in the newspapers around yale that they were looking for women who were willing to donate their eggs; Ivy League eggs carry a premium I think
The compensation was in the tens of thousands of dollars but someone told me that considering all the trouble / potential for complications of the egg donation process it ends up being a terrible bargain for the donor
Also remember reading a story about how clinics are refusing to accept donations from gingers because they are overloaded w ginger sperm and i guess nobody wants a ginger child?
― 龜, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:26 (nine years ago) link
BUT i do think you should be required by law to get inseminated at random.
― flatizza (harbl), Friday, October 3, 2014 1:19 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
What, like everyone?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link
xp disgraceful
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
people still using the word "ginger"?
― Yo Gotti Nutter Ting Hummin' (President Keyes), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
only for things that are ginger
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:39 (nine years ago) link
You must be a ginger xp
― 龜, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:40 (nine years ago) link
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/hurt-dave-seeing-red-697081
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:42 (nine years ago) link
proceed gingerly
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:42 (nine years ago) link
Shameful article xp
Didn't even include a picture so we could have a look for ourselves
― 龜, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club%20Home/2009/3/12/1236897828691/Dave-Kitson-001.jpg
looks like a hot head.
― pplains, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
i can see why he's getting all fired up.
― pplains, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
I feel like red-haired people generally underrated and non-red haired people who try for red are overrated
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:51 (nine years ago) link
this is the thread where I out my ginger-haired woman interests
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
ROLLING DAVE KITSON THREAD
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
Handsome but sounds like a right pain in the ass.
― Laurel, Monday, January 28, 2008 5:32 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Er. What was the question again?
vmic btw
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:54 (nine years ago) link
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well of course there's a thred about that.
― pplains, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:56 (nine years ago) link
Why isn't is ROILING DAVE KITSON THREAD?
― 龜, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
TROLLING DAVE KITSON, RED
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:58 (nine years ago) link
this is a key moment in ilx us-uk relations
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 3 October 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link
nobody fuck this up
― 龜, Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:40 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Actually I'm a Gilligan.
― Yo Gotti Nutter Ting Hummin' (President Keyes), Friday, 3 October 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
Seeing as how people don't pick their sexual partners at random, but look for traits they find attractive, it feels a bit arbitrary to suggest that those who have to seek alternative methods of insemination should be forced to spin a big wheel. that only folks engaging in "traditional" insemination should have any authority over what genes they put inside themselves.
unless you're saying that NO ONE should get to pick their partner in procreation - in which case, good luck with that sci-fi shit
― da croupier, Friday, 3 October 2014 06:14 (nine years ago) link
Brave New Spigot
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 October 2014 06:18 (nine years ago) link
Logan's Cum
― nickn, Friday, 3 October 2014 07:22 (nine years ago) link
rah
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Friday, 3 October 2014 07:24 (nine years ago) link
dysfallopian
xpost to harbl
yeah for this to be actual medical ~malpractice~ there has to be substantive harm, it may not be enough that an obvious (but totally benign) mistake was made
― gbx, Friday, 3 October 2014 11:00 (nine years ago) link
hence making the case that the "harm" is inherent to being a biracial kid in garbagetown USA
but like if the goal is just to shutter an incompetent sperm bank (and not to recoup losses that basically don't exist) then there are other ways to go about it I'd think
― gbx, Friday, 3 October 2014 11:04 (nine years ago) link
Kody Firesheets2 months agoYou say Lady Gaga, I say Lady Antebellum. You say Jason Derulo, I say Jason Aldean. You say T-Pain, I say T-Swift You say Ke$ha, I say Kenny. You say Pitbull, I say Paisley. You say Justin Bieber, I say Justin Moore and go grow a pair. 92% of teenagers have turned to Hip Hop and Pop. If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music, copy and paste this message to another 3 videos. Stop being a idiot and start listening to real music!!! COUNTRY!! thumbs up!!! BTW Brantley Gilbert is one of the best country artists.
You say Lady Gaga, I say Lady Antebellum. You say Jason Derulo, I say Jason Aldean. You say T-Pain, I say T-Swift You say Ke$ha, I say Kenny. You say Pitbull, I say Paisley. You say Justin Bieber, I say Justin Moore and go grow a pair. 92% of teenagers have turned to Hip Hop and Pop. If you are part of the 8% that still listen to real music, copy and paste this message to another 3 videos. Stop being a idiot and start listening to real music!!! COUNTRY!! thumbs up!!! BTW Brantley Gilbert is one of the best country artists.
This is the worst queen cover I've ever heard.
― how's life, Friday, 3 October 2014 11:08 (nine years ago) link
omg rolling dave kitson might be my fave britisher thread, what a day
― goole, Friday, 3 October 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
― gbx, Friday, October 3, 2014 7:00 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gbx, Friday, October 3, 2014 7:04 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree that the "wrongful birth" cause of action is probably a huge stretch, but there's also a breach of warranty claim, which is sort of interesting. If you go to a sperm bank that gives you the option of choosing donor traits, are you entitled to "get what you paid for"? I think you probably should be. I mean when you physically mate with someone, you have that option, even with racist motivations, so I don't really think sperm banks should function differently. What the appropriate compensation would be I have no fucking idea.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
lol HL
― Nhex, Friday, 3 October 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link
it may not be enough that an obvious (but totally benign) mistake was made
I'm not...I don't want to argue at all with the racism call. But impregnating someone with sperm they didn't volunteer to get pregnant by is a lot closer to rape than anyone seems to be acknowledging. It's non-consensual impregnation. It's horrifying.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Imo to make light of that issue is to also condone other ways of taking control of their own fertility away from women.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
this is prob glib but i have trouble thinking thru this cos the scenario of "lesbian couple in rural ohio delivers biracial child from sperm bank mixup" is giving me really insane "we live in a shitty david mamet play" vibes
― goole, Friday, 3 October 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
xp Or I mean not explicitly CONDONE them but the logic of it also supports other invasions. Oh, she wanted a baby, she got a baby, she'll be happy once her (natural, feminine) maternal instinct kicks in. Mothers always love their children, and if not they're bad mothers and bad women, and it's their own fault. It's nothing WE did, we just gave her a baby (that her own body nourished and made space for and gave life to).
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
laurel otm
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
We support the right of women to choose whose baby they have when they know who the father is, and the checklist of traits in a sperm bank is basically the best proxy we have for that when they never actually meet/know the father. And imo those traits should include anything a woman wants to consider, even if it's race.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
No, I think they're two separate problems--like Dan said, it would be best if they won this case for the precedent but weren't rewarded for singling out race as the key argument.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
are they really gonna bring the race argument into court cuz that just seems stupid and unnecessary
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 October 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
Probably. The gas costs of traveling to a hair salon in a black neighborhood really add up.
― Portly Backgammon (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
i was really surprised to hear that they were only seeking $50k....?
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
How do you argue this without race? Like how would you show that it wasn't the donor she wanted? Not being rhetorical - is there other evidence that she got a different donor than she wanted?
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
I admit I dunno how these places really work but I would assume they picked a specific donor and that not getting that donor's sperm is all that matters
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 October 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
Not being rhetorical - is there other evidence that she got a different donor than she wanted?
from the chicago tribune article
After searching through pages of comprehensive histories for their top three donors, the lawsuit claims, Cramblett and her domestic partner, Amanda Zinkon, chose donor No. 380, who was also white. Their doctor in Ohio received vials from donor No. 330, who is African-American, the lawsuit said.
Cramblett, 36, learned of the mistake in April 2012, when she was pregnant and ordering more vials so that the couple could have another child with sperm from the same donor, according to the lawsuit. The sperm bank delivered vials from the correct donor in August 2011, but Cramblett later requested more vials, according to the suit.
― da croupier, Friday, 3 October 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
Ah yeah, that seems kind of obvious now. Brainfart.
I agree that if I were her lawyer, the last thing I'd probably want to do is come into court saying "My client doesn't want a black child."
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
has anyone thought that maybe the plaintiff here had really bad handwriting and her 8 looked like a 3
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
that did cross my mind
― example (crüt), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
yes, I have thought this
the plaintiff still has a case, obviously
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
most certainly. this seems like something that might need a little more verification, for sure.
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
BTW, it doesn't actually say she's seeking $50k, just that damages "exceed $50k" and are "to be determined at trial." There's a formality in many states that you have to plead that your damages exceed a certain amount in order to be in one court vs another.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
Kind of also wonder if they could have just called this an ordinary negligence tort. The "wrongful birth" claim is usually for situations where the doctor fails to inform about or prevent some very severe deformity/disability that would or might have caused the parents to abort -- obviously using that theory here has some pretty disgusting implications, and I can't imagine it flies.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
― flatizza (harbl), Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:22 PM (Yesterday)
i think your tongue is at least partially in cheek, but basically i agree with in orbit. women who can conceive without medical help have agency to choose their partners and choose, to a certain extent, what the child they carry will look like. they can do that in racially suspect ways, but they have that ability. a woman who goes to a sperm bank to conceive should have that same choice. for that reason i think she has a very strong case, though awarding her additional damages for whatever race-related distress she's experienced seems like a bad idea and unnecessary
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
the added flip tho is that her argument locates racism not in herself but in her community. couldn't the clinic argue that, ok, you're happy and you love your healthy child, but you live in a place with deep prejudice, how is that our problem? move!
― goole, Friday, 3 October 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
man, what a case. can imagine dick wolf skipping around in his heavily-draped sitting room, barking at assisants, unable to contain his excitement
― goole, Friday, 3 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
Law & Order: So Damned Racist
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
what kevin said is what I meant above, def not that there should be additional damages for the "harm" of having a black child, just that we can't really delegitimize the woman's choice because it was race-based.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
Can sperm banks screen for carriers of genetic conditions, either automatically or on request? Even if they don't, what if you picked someone from a background that was less likely to be, say, a cystic fibrosis or sickle cell carrier because you knew you were one, and then your baby was born with a condition that would kill her? It's not just how the offspring LOOKS.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
They screen all this stuff during IVF so I assume the answer is yes.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link
yeah exactly. i wonder whether the donor would even have to consent to that -- i'd imagine not, they probably get their compensation regardless, and it's up to the woman whose sperm she chooses, right? xp
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 October 2014 19:21 (nine years ago) link
I feel like so many things are horrible in this case: the baby's bi-racialness, the hair comments, the mother's quotes, the framing in the press. But the underlying issues re fertility and choice are bedrock serious.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
Before anyone jumps on it, sorry, I should have said "making the baby's bi-racialness THE ISSUE" not that it is literally horrible.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
can they make some kind of argument that they wanted the child to look like both parents bc they weren't necessarily going to tell the kid that there was a donor? that kinda bridges imo a legitimate concern about the way the baby looks while eliding the racist town nonsense?
― Mordy, Friday, 3 October 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
At some point, the kid is going to look at her lesbian parents and figure out that a donor was involved somewhere
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link
I mean maybe they were gonna try for "we slapped our vaginas together and PRESTO instant baby" but somehow I doubt it
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:39 (nine years ago) link
http://illiterateinfant.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/baby-ikea.jpg
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:39 (nine years ago) link
i didn't realize it was lesbian couple
― Mordy, Friday, 3 October 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
lol djp
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 October 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
I think the argument, "hey you have a healthy child, so no harm done" is pretty offensive tbh, but apparently that was the basis of a 2007 NY decision:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/10/ohio_sperm_bank_black_donor_mix_up_can_a_white_mother_with_a_biracial_baby.html
(can't C&P for some reason but skip down to the Andrews v. Keltz mention)
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
And that decision was actually a case of mixing up the husband and would-be biological dad's sperm with someone else's, which seems worse than this case.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
I believe the two situations are exactly as bad
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
something something lenny brisco says something about wrongful insemination
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link
I think it's safe to say that they're both bad and that people are entitled to their subjective reasons for wanting control over their own child-having decisions.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
and that suing for what is basically "damages" because of your child's race is scummy as fuck.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link
tbh I'm really reading up on sperm donation now
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
*reads up furiously*
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
lol shakey
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, October 3, 2014 4:04 PM (6 hours ago)
yeah this is kind of what i was thinking of. i'm not endorsing it but i am recognizing that what everyday people think of as a harm is not the same as what you can recover when you sue someone. i am not sure offensive is the word i would use though i do agree it's not good. these are just kind of weird questions one doesn't get to think about every day. fortunately?
― flatizza (harbl), Saturday, 4 October 2014 03:28 (nine years ago) link
i would think that rape victims might find it offensive to compare to rape however
― flatizza (harbl), Saturday, 4 October 2014 03:30 (nine years ago) link
That might be true and if anyone who reads it is offended, I apologize. Rape and non-consensual impregnation are the most time-tested way of controlling women's fertility though. It's only modern medicine that creates the possibility of the second without the first.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:28 (nine years ago) link
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, September 29, 2014 4:47 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
http://www.amazon.com/The-Hood-Health-Handbook-Practical/dp/1935721321
― 龜, Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:45 (nine years ago) link
http://www.itvs.org/films/soul-food-junkies
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10155047_1600144650213238_3549923115314653361_n.jpg?oh=d01764fc1d29cc78915fbf594bd6723e&oe=54B67F2B&__gda__=1420702482_ecaadd5132623819ebe0fc232d9d9c47
― nickn, Monday, 6 October 2014 23:38 (nine years ago) link
phat le rappeur
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 October 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
Willing to give it a pass as long as the kid doesn't put on blackface xp
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 00:11 (nine years ago) link
i haven't seen the movie napoleon dynamite since it was released in theaters 800 blog years ago but i just thought of it for some reason and remembered that there is a part when one of the characters dates a black woman with a "black"-sounding name and this is supposed to be inherently hilarious. not a question, really. that was racist. i feel horrified that when i first saw that movie as a high school freshman i liked it.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 04:55 (nine years ago) link
borat came out around that time too i think. and team america: world police. were audiences and critics more tolerant of racial stereotypes in mainstream comedies ten years ago?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 04:58 (nine years ago) link
i can assure you there was nothing hilarious about napoleon dynamite
― outback bumfuc (electricsound), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 05:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_th4LsV9kEboth xp and not xp
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 05:08 (nine years ago) link
were audiences and critics more tolerant of racial stereotypes in mainstream comedies ten years ago?
critics maybe
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:55 (nine years ago) link
My highschool classmates didn't care that much. I'm sure the kids there now read thinkpieces and are at least aware of terms like intersectionality if it isn't literally part of the curriculum. In my ed classes they are telling me to teach definitions of racism and sexism as interlocking sytems rather than discrete individual attitudes directly to high schoolers
― Treeship, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:10 (nine years ago) link
Treesh do you enjoy the comedy of Tom Green
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:17 (nine years ago) link
they made the fake fat belly painted onto the t-shirt white instead of black
that's a… sign of racial sensitivity i think??
― j., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:19 (nine years ago) link
Probably more a reflection on their expected target demo
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:28 (nine years ago) link
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
Tom Green, that's a name that really takes me back
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
can i have that hamburger necklace however
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
hey, this is racist AND sexist:
http://flavorwire.com/480990/pete-pete-was-all-white-people-slimed-author-mathew-klickstein-on-why-ren-and-stimpy-was-better-than-clarissa-and-nickelodeons-diversity-problem
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
re: borat, Napoleon Dynamite, Team America
All these films are horribly racist and I complained about them at the time here on ILX and people argued/disagreed w me about all of them
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:39 (nine years ago) link
Shakes did you ever change your mind abt ken jeong in the hangover
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
a lot of classic "it's okay to make fun of [insert ethnicity]" excuses
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
Thinking about it now, I guess so...? It's not quite Long Duck Dong level but it is a caricature. That movie in general has diminished in my eyes.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
I originally bought into the idea that Borat was more about revealing the societal problem of racism or sexism in others through his character and therefore was a little profound in a way, though looking back those were just side effects of a movie was that quite clearly racist
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
Borat is almost entirely about playing off of the racism in others, is the thing. Whether it works or not is up for debate but that's pretty clearly the intention.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
From DJP's link:
There are worlds where white guys get shit, too. I’m starting to do stand-up comedy now and it’s hard to go up there and talk about how hard it is to be a guy. People don’t wanna hear it! A girl can go up there and talk all she wants about how hard it is to be a girl, and she gets applauded. These are obviously some of my own personal views and aren’t as important, but I’m bringing up this stuff because it’s all very malleable, it’s very flexible.
Man, when are white men finally gonna get a fuckin' break?
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
Klickstein comes off like a turbo douche in that interview
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
imo the biggest crime of Borat is using Kazakhstan, an actual place, as a stand-in for the other because it was a convenient stand-in
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
well I dunno if he could've booked all those interviews or appearances or w/e using some fake country so I guess he kinda had to
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
Well, OTOH, a Kazakh director made an unofficial sequel to raise the country's image and the punchline to the movie was "Hey, these guys aren't even really Kazakh, they're Jews from Romania" so . . .
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
If I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for example
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
and it's not that there aren't rabid anti-semites in Kazakhstan - I'm sure there are - but caricaturing them that way, the entire character of Borat, is totally racist
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
he portrays their entire culture as backward, incestuous, nothing but poor dumb peasants etc.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
every generation gets the Yakov Smirnoff they deserve
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
I love how dude sets the stage by pretending that massive hit "Clarissa Explains It All" was only retroactively appreciated due to Melissa Joan Hart's star turn on "Sabrina, The Teenage Witch" and then jumps whole hog into "oh btw I'm a virulent racist too, let me show you all the ways I suck" with zero prompting
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
Wow that Pete & Pete interview went downhill rather quickly.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
Blah blah blah pure, fervent nostalgia blah blah blah ren and stimpy melissa joan hart blah blah blah whitewashed suburbs blah blah blah SPEAKING OF WHICH….
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
In for a dime, in for a dollar.
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
Holy shit, wow did that interview go downhill
― Nhex, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link
Like he just keeps digging the hole for himselfAt least he's being more openly racist in his nostalgia. WHITE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO, YA KNOW
― Nhex, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Imagining this full grown guy watching kiddie shows all day and getting mad that they have Indian characters.
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Admit I got a good chuckle out of the little spiteful footnote that confirms the obvious that yes, Clarissa Explains It All was immensely popular
― Nhex, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
I'm gonna spend the rest of my day going up to Indian people and asking them if there's a reason they're Indian
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Love the concern trolling about "sure, the character and voice actor are Indian, but why can't the producers be Indian too? Otherwise it's just racist." GREAT IDEA I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HIRING LOTS OF MINORITY DIRECTORS/PRODUCERS ANY SECOND NOW.
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
he is definitely rarin' to share his opinions
They’re doing it just for that reason: “Hey, here is the Jewish character” or “Hey, here’s the Indian character” or “Hey, here’s the token black,” which I think South Park does so amazingly well. For example, I’ve worked very closely with people with disabilities, volunteering, sometimes paid, and I love what South Park does. They show those characters as quote-unquote real people. They fight, they cuss, they take drugs. They do everything all the rest of the kids do. That’s great.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
I don't know anything about this Clarissa show, but I don't understand why the lead had to be a girl. Couldn't it have been written by men and star a boy? Seems kind of contrived.
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
People WIth Disabilities: They Fight, They Cuss, They Take Drugs.That's Great.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1493227/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
this guy made a docu about Kids of Whidney HighI am sure in the kindest of spirits
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link
I am feeling personally vindicated that a lot of my dating red flags (grownup obsessed with childhood entertainments, enjoys Kids of Whidney High) coincide with him being an odious bigot when given the chance to reveal it
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
yes this was amazing
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
YESSSSS But anyway, back to Pete & Pete, the best show on television.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
Why was it the best? I can't really tell you that, it was just genius, better than anything else. It had a certain...ineffable quality (of whiteness and maleness). But definitely the best show ever created.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
how the hell did you have cable tv as a kid?!?
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
I stopped pay attention as soon as he used the word "ineffable" tbh. IT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE IT EFFABLE, THIS IS NOT MAGIC.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
I have this weird image of people around my age who have all these nickelodeon memories, sorry
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:37 (nine years ago) link
Who, me? Was Nickelodeon a cable channel? I can't remember.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
haha mh otmthe only kid on my block who had nickelodeon was the same kid who would try to end playground disputes with "well my dad's a lawyer and he'll sue you"
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
mh yea me too xp. felt like an outsider for many reasons growing up but honestly not having cable and everybody in school talking about this nickelodeon bullshit and all these weird-ass shows was not an insubstantial one
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
I don't know what you all are talking about, the article clearly states that "There is no era of television that inspires such a pure, fervent nostalgia as the Golden Age of Nickelodeon. "
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
we had illegal cable
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iSILfWm2Y
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link
I remember when I was a kid being completely mystified by the girl down the street saying her family didn't have cable, and I was like... yeah, you do. Apparently she was under the impression only premium channels were cable.
When I was a kid we had the local affiliates for ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and in the late 80s/early 90s, FOX. I think sometime after then some mostly-infomercial crap that barely came in was on some higher channel with occasional syndicated reruns.
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
every kid in my elementary school who had cable had divorced parents and conspicuously new backpacks or video games because their dads were overcompensating. also they were apparently raised by Nickelodeon reruns of the brady bunch or something
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
wow you've got some serious lingering resentments there
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
perhaps you should talk to flavorwire about it
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
I think you're confusing resentment with a superiority complex, which I probably do have on these things
Also, my parents managed to get satellite tv two months before I went to college. I think they figured they needed something to pass the time without me yammering all the time.
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:42 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea me too. my parents finally got cable/satellite maybe 5 years ago
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
there was a brief period when "much music" or something came in through lousy reception, but that didn't last long
It's a shame that this author seems like a tool, as his is a book I'd otherwise love to read (a la the MTV oral history from a couple years back).
I can't even envision an '80s childhood without Nickelodeon. Y'all have my deepest sympathies.
― Certified Genious (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
We didn't have much, but at least we had cable.
dunno what this tool is watching but in most of the Disney/Nick shows I've seen, whenever there's an Indian character his race is 90 percent of the punchlines
― Chimp Arsons, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
we had reagan and white flight
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
Last Saturday: http://gizmodo.com/this-is-the-first-weekend-in-america-with-no-saturday-m-1642441646
The one broadcast holdout all this time? CW.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1458788!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/nick22f-4-web.jpg
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
xp tbf, there's an entire 24 hour NETWORK for saturday morning cartoons in Boomerang
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link
on cable tv
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
yeah i don't really get people freaking out about the lack of saturday morning cartoons. it's stopping because they're more accessible than ever elsewhere. it's like freaking out about there not being a Sunday Matinee on Fox or something.
Plus, she was a girl, and many of the people who are writing these blogs and editing these pieces are women — which is fine, it’s just the way that it is, and a lot of the publishing world is women...
You might not like this or care, but it’s very hard to be a man in the publishing world. No one talks about that. My agent: woman. My editor: woman. My publicist: woman. The most successful genre is young adult novels — 85% of which are written by women. That discussion doesn’t really come up when it’s the other way around. It is 2014 now. It’s not 1995. Political correctness needs to change.
there's no context where this would be excusable, but i have a hard time imagining it being spoken in any other context than a crowded bar at night
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
My agent: woman. My editor: woman. My publicist: woman
This reminds me of some recent Doug Ford quote where he said he wasn't antisemitic because his doctor, dentist, and lawyer are all jews
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:04 (nine years ago) link
it's just so "guy at a party you wish you hadn't started a conversation with"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
this guy really does sound like a future failed standup comedian, just based on his topics of choice.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link
"My agent: dropping me today. My editor: dropping me today. My publicist: dropping me today."
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
Oh, neither of my kids watch anything "live" - much less anything on a broadcast network. The news above to me was just something akin to finding out that there wasn't any broadcast network news at 5:30 anymore.
Bet that stand-up act is hilarious. Just let me know when he gets to The Comedy Store.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
this was amazing to read, like this guy gets a book published and has a chance to talk about it and it was like
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link
Oh, neither of my kids watch anything "live" - much less anything on a broadcast network.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Clarissa Mansplains It All
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
this guy really does not get the reasoning behind giving interviews when you have a new thing out you want people to maybe have a look at
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
maybe he just really misunderstands his target audience and thinks that it's all white people who don't understand why these minorities keep appearing on their tv screens
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
Lol this reminds me of the time the cable guy came over to fix something
Thinking that this was the time to be slick I convinced my dad to give him $10 hoping that he would 'get the hint' and hook us up
My dad (who doesn't speak English) gave him the $10 and didn't say anything and the cable guy was like "uh, thanks" and it was awkward for like 5 minutes
Didn't get the free cable : \
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
Do cable guys still do the weird hookup thing anymore? My wife is always the one who's home when they install it and all I know is we sure as hell don't have HBO.
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
they control what channels you get at their main control center, now, so you're kind of screwed. back in the day, they'd put a filter on the line to block out the premium channels. if you lived in an apartment building (or *cough* college dorms) it was possible that they didn't secure the utility room and you could just go remove the filter
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
my parents live too far out in the woods for us to get cable ;_;
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
Never had cable. My mom woulf have gotten cable the day she bought me Jordan's, lol.At friend's houses I never really "got" Pete n pete. But I also didn't really get into alt rock or flannel. I thought Clarissa was dope, though
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:01 (nine years ago) link
never even heard of pete 'n' pete before this /morbs
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
me neither.
never had cable. really only wanted it so I could see Yo! MTV Raps, which I would have to go over to friends' houses to watch
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
I watched rap videos after adjusting rabbit ears to tune in The Box
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
i started getting cable in 1990 i believe, we also stole it. for years and years and years!
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
THe only Nick shows I remember people talking about were like, Doug, and that one where the girl can turn into water
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:16 (nine years ago) link
Still weirds me out when I go to other cities and see that CBS/ABC/NBC etc. are all on different channel numbers
That's fucked up man
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:19 (nine years ago) link
i have any number of local celebrity newscaster anecdotes that are now sadly moot"but you don't understand, HE WAS WEARING A SNOWBIRD T-SHIRT AT THE MALL!"
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
had a weird thing as a tween where i hated kids shows with people in them. only really liked cartoons. i just found kid actors and sets of homes and schools really fucked up and condescending, idk.
now i'm kind of animation-averse. but i guess my attitude toward that kind of show is the same, now that i think of it.
― goole, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
We didn't even get UHF as far out in the woods we were. One kid in junior high had the big satellite dish taking up his entire front yard and would come in talking about the cartoon with the spikey-haired boy that the Little Rock Fox affiliate played on Ch. 38.
Only Nickelodeon programming I ever watched was Pinwheel at my grandmother's house in Memphis. (She'd tune it over to that so I would calm down after discovering that there was a Channel 5, what the hell is a Channel 5?)
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
Channel 2 was PBS.Channel 3 was for the Atari or VCR.
Any other way and you lived in Soviet Russia, for all I knew.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
i have fond memories of watching nickelodeon (a lot) as a kid but i suspect most of that nostalgia would be ruined by actually rewatching most of those shows, except some of the animated stuff.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
Did we ever figure out if Nickelodeon is racist?
― Certified Genious (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link
yeah, this thread took a weird turn
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
i just found kid actors and sets of homes and schools really fucked up and condescending, idk.
yes, i hated that shit. same goes for disney channel shit that i sometimes saw at friends houses. just seemed so distant from what i experienced as a kid that i had a hard time understanding why kids liked those shows
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/Are-You-afraid-of-the-dark.jpg
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
Well, the Canadians really did never tip.
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/TDqPowg3xZo/hqdefault.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
was supposed to be an image from my fave nick show are you afraid of the dark xp ^^
that one where the girl can turn into water
Alex (Alec?) Mack? Or something....
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
nick for me was double dare, ren and stimpy, YCDToTV and i barely remember anything elseit's always surprising to me what a cultural impact the programming i skipped had on people.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
One kid in junior high had the big satellite dish taking up his entire front yard and would come in talking about the cartoon with the spikey-haired boy that the Little Rock Fox affiliate played on Ch. 38.
my parents wouldn't let me watch the Simpsons either
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
oh man I forgot about All That. That show ruled. loved watching it.
"All That" can't be racist they had Nas!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEi8JGpvzLI
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93sxInETZKo
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 20:37 (nine years ago) link
^ francophobic
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
it's incredible how this guy wrote a fucking book about the history of nickelodeon and from the start 100% of everything he says is wrong. all of it. millions of age 25-35s who had cable grew up on nickelodeon, and this guy, who considers himself some sort of expert, knows less than everyone else. these shows were all popular! 4 seasons for a kids show is huge! dan schneider, literally the biggest behind-the-camera figure in nick's history, makes sure his shows (with some exceptions) don't exceed 60-65 episodes. and the nostalgia thing lol. me and my brother and sister and everyone i went to school with were waxing nostalgic about it as soon as we were old enough to be too old for it. we'd have the same exact conversations over and over again.
dude is literally just a pete and pete/ren and stimpy megafan who decided to write a book about it
also he's racist
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
i obv didn't realize it at the time but the recurring orange soda gag on kenan & kel is pretty o_O
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 21:35 (nine years ago) link
i can't believe i'm saying this but zachlyon otm
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
don't worry buddy "israel is genocidal -- zachlyon" now u can rest easy
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link
i am amazed by this dude's responses in that interview
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
Has anyone mentioned his erotic fiction yet?
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
stimpy/pete slash?
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:07 (nine years ago) link
Oh, if only
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
holy yikes
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
is slime or gak involved
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
While still in college, Matt established the first official Slam Poetry contest to be organized on an American college campus
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:14 (nine years ago) link
wait wat
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
he's like 30
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
he wrote the steven seagal DTV vampire movie "against the dark"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Against_the_Dark_movie_poster.jpg
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
against the darkskinned nickelodeon characters
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
Book DescriptionPublication Date: August 17, 2013From Mathew Klickstein comes a new classic of erotic horror: Oliver Maxwell is demented, depraved, and disturbed. He's also one of the most caring young men you could ever hope to meet. In his own words, he both loves and hates women with equal intensity, confessing, "Some I hate so much, I have to see them naked." If you think Oliver Maxwell is complicated, just wait until you read about his sex life...When this conflicted milquetoast discovers a stranger sprawled out and unconscious in an alleyway one night, he decides to take her home with him to "nurture her back to health and consciousness."Oliver soon realizes that in order to take care of his mysteriously cataleptic housemate - the sudsy bubble baths, the muscle massages, the incessant combing of her silken blonde hair - he will need to indulge in extracurricular sexual diversions to keep from inflicting himself on her tender, vulnerable body.There begins a litany of progressively perverted episodes for a man whose fantasies might be others' nightmares... and vice versa. For Oliver Maxwell (and the various paramours he comes upon during his nocturnal meanderings), experimentation is only the beginning. He craves the fear as much as the fantasy, and knows he's not the only one. Along the way, Oliver finds his lost angel in a coma might not be as innocent as he presupposed...Publisher's note: "Rag Doll," is a work of fantasy containing horror and erotic themes that some readers might find disturbing. All characters in Rag Doll are of adult (18+) age.
When this conflicted milquetoast discovers a stranger sprawled out and unconscious in an alleyway one night, he decides to take her home with him to "nurture her back to health and consciousness."
Oliver soon realizes that in order to take care of his mysteriously cataleptic housemate - the sudsy bubble baths, the muscle massages, the incessant combing of her silken blonde hair - he will need to indulge in extracurricular sexual diversions to keep from inflicting himself on her tender, vulnerable body.
There begins a litany of progressively perverted episodes for a man whose fantasies might be others' nightmares... and vice versa. For Oliver Maxwell (and the various paramours he comes upon during his nocturnal meanderings), experimentation is only the beginning. He craves the fear as much as the fantasy, and knows he's not the only one. Along the way, Oliver finds his lost angel in a coma might not be as innocent as he presupposed...
Publisher's note: "Rag Doll," is a work of fantasy containing horror and erotic themes that some readers might find disturbing. All characters in Rag Doll are of adult (18+) age.
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link
yiiiiiiiikes
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link
And if you LIKE what you read, also check out Mathew's other lesser-known books such as: Rag Doll (not for children but his best work to date), My Dog Forgot How to Read (talking eBook for children, no joke), Daisy Goes to the Moon (for children if your children are weird, but probably more for you), Back to Hollywood (if you can find it) and This Book is Called Counter (which you almost assuredly won't be able to find). Also look out for some of Mathew's short videos, stories and the like scattered about the Internet and library archives. Enjoy. America.
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:12 (nine years ago) link
there it is.
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:12 (nine years ago) link
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvZ110kAm82RrK2_j8aDGGZrjoVMOh4BOHvAC8Wa5RMgFqG3r3
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:13 (nine years ago) link
that might be the worst thing I've read
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/MR20F.gif
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:19 (nine years ago) link
fuckin mathews with one t amirite
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
Omg @ "rag doll"
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 04:33 (nine years ago) link
Quick turnaround
http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2141
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 04:37 (nine years ago) link
Jesus, I bet everyone behind this book is REALLY regretting getting this ignorant dickhole to write it now.
― You've been yelped (stevie), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:15 (nine years ago) link
Like, this interview is such an epic, revolting fail.
― You've been yelped (stevie), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:16 (nine years ago) link
also, "jokitsu" in the comments is clearly, CLEARLY the author
― You've been yelped (stevie), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:22 (nine years ago) link
http://www.coloradodaily.com/ci_18749364
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:55 (nine years ago) link
(still on the Klickstein tip)
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:56 (nine years ago) link
this fucken guy
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
― goole, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
anyway, heeeey fashion industry
http://www.forever21.com/Product/Product.aspx?BR=f21&Category=sale_tops&ProductID=2000104784&VariantID=
*steeples fingers* what's up with you
what am i missing
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 8 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
Did no one at Plume think to take a gander at Klickstein's bibliography before giving him the okay to write a book about a children's television network? It seems like some level of fallout was inevitable. Genuinely baffling.
― Certified Genious (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
all they needed to know was that he was white
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
http://flavorwire.com/newswire/nickelodeon-nostalgia-night-canceled
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
btw, this thread is now so long that pagebacks no longer work
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
rolling "is this Racist NOW?" thread
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
Klickstein: "Haha, and you wanna know what other kind of 'backs don't work?" *bucket falls, passerby ignore man drowning in green slime*
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:57 (nine years ago) link
^^^ I'll take "Posts you had second thoughts about and decided not to post" for $400
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:59 (nine years ago) link
No, it's ok. I made it sound like it came from someone else.
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link
not sure i get the tupac shirt being racist, more kinda corny, but w/e
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
Flagged for failing to pluralize 'passersby'
― 龜, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
Think goole was bringing us back to the original intent of this thread
I'd say not racist but does play into some tropes?
― 龜, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
xxp "super kitschy" to be precise
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
idg how that's any different from any of the 100s of Tupac shirts I see a day
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:07 (nine years ago) link
are you the mayor of tupacville?
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
Ha! Now when I'm on facebook I see the girl in the Tupac shirt on the sidebar.
― nickn, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
im not sure its racist but it does seem like a really dumb idea
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link
i think i'm mostly offended by them describing it as "super kitschy"
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
for some reason that feels a bit off in ways pertaining to this thread, idk
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
i don't know if it's racist but i'd say there's a difference between the million tupac RIP tribute shirts and a shirt that turns his face into wallpaper
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
i feel a bit off looking at it but i cant really put my finger on whats fucked up about it
xp the disembodied head aspect definitely comes into play!!
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
i think it's maybe just the reductive bubble head thing, like lowering a fairly tragic figure like tupac to the level of a fictional joke character like george costanza or something.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
the model isn't helping that feeling
― goole, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
do you think there would ever be a "kitschy" disembodied kurt cobain head wallpaper shirt?
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
tupac crop top -> biggie crown top -> rugrats crop top
hmmmmmm
― j., Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
i could see a disembodied dave grohl head wallpaper shirt but that's because he's juuuust a bit bacony.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
but even that, probably not. that would be on etsy, not sold through a huge retail store.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
tbf, disembodied kurt cobain head evokes a very different image
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P5aavwpJ1Cg/TlInp4IJ_pI/AAAAAAAAAVM/bhyWZIX-eis/s1600/reception-miky-t-shirt-10109719_576284_1000.jpg
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
http://tshirtmafia.co.uk/164-215-large/kurt-cobain-forover-27-t-shirt.jpg
lol wow
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link
jesus the entitled #gamergate fuckwads in the flavorwire comments bitching because they won't get to watch kiddie's tv at the convention so fuck you pc social warriors breitbart bleepbloop
― You've been yelped (stevie), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link
#ressentiment
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/_RebirthOfSlick/status/519847201011683328
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=539562929478172&id=273380906096377
The posting in FB about the event being cancelled and ensuing comment amusement.
Also, they've already found another venue and this event is back on, apparently.
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
I can't see the pic on that tweet and it's driving me nuts! can you explain what happened?
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Thursday, 9 October 2014 00:10 (nine years ago) link
Good prank, tho.
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Thursday, 9 October 2014 00:57 (nine years ago) link
This:
http://i.imgur.com/NAhi8Ka.png
After this: http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/10/black-teenager-pepper-sprayed-home-burglar%20
― pplains, Thursday, 9 October 2014 02:57 (nine years ago) link
Omfg
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Thursday, 9 October 2014 03:35 (nine years ago) link
The Nickelodeon thing means there's an open lane to write a proper book
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 October 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
white female friend changes facebook cover photo to
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10177454_10205001526063038_225353347860812822_n.jpg
― the late great, Sunday, 12 October 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
try again
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10177454_10205001526063038_225353347860812822_n.jpg?oh=62e39b721d30f3ac343839df162bf33a&oe=54B15C47&__gda__=1421903856_0dc096a028d3b9c931daf0996c54062b
question is not "is this racist" but what is best way to tell friend this is uncool
― the late great, Sunday, 12 October 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
re: the pepper spray incedent from up thread, see 7:45 in the following
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHpvPwq2i8
and to think 15 years ago this idea was thought so absurd as to be used as satire. dave was always two steps ahead of things
― i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Sunday, 12 October 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link
I dunno man, I don't think that's quite true - this shit had always been going on, it's just that social media now makes it much easier to get the word out
― 龜, Sunday, 12 October 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link
TLG - maybe she just really likes Oprah?
― 龜, Monday, 13 October 2014 03:11 (nine years ago) link
maybe
― the late great, Monday, 13 October 2014 03:13 (nine years ago) link
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/michael-essien-forced-respond-internet-4428143
i'm thinking yes
― Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Monday, 13 October 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link
yr gonna have to explain this one to me
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 13 October 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
pvmic
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 October 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
re: the tupac shirt, at A3C this weekend I stood behind someone wearing this jersey (except black instead of red):
http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/gzk9ip-l-610x610-t-shirt-biggie-smalls-shirt-biggie-smalls-jersey-dope-illest-hip-hop-biggie-smalls.jpg
― example (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link
ok so oprah heads all good i guess
― the late great, Monday, 13 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
what exactly is the racist part of that
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 13 October 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
oprah heads sound suspect to me idk
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
was bojack horseman racist
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
tbrr i don't think i would actually call that person out on the oprah thing, it just made me go hm
― the late great, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:32 (nine years ago) link
bojack horseman just kinda sucked, maybe it got racist after the first episode, no one will ever know
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
yeah I don't think the Oprah thing is per se racist. I mean at worst it strikes me as in the vein of campy Arnold from Diff'rent Strokes photos (i.e. it's "lol 80's media and hair" more than "lol black person"), at best maybe she just likes Oprah.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
idk strikes me as lol oprah
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
its just weird
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
bojack horseman sucked for sure, and its main character is way too similar to archer
there was a discussion here years ago about white ppl using pictures of black people in lolzy ways in twitter profile pics etc
probably itt but i have no idea what to ctrl-f for aside from j0rdan
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
Ah I remember that
Whiney called out a dude for using a picture of a 70s basketball player in a way that was like "lol afro" and then all the white people on ILM spent hundreds of posts trying to separate their uses of rapper profile pics from that
― 龜, Monday, 13 October 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link
still not sure if my T.O.P. profile picture was racist, though i felt validated when my mother mistook him for me
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
yeah it shouldn't be difficult to see why it's questionable enough to go in this thread, unless you're oh haha never mind
― grayson m'razz (wins), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Monday, October 13, 2014 6:02 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
looks like it was just you v whiney but idk i didn't keep reading. i dont think its weird to use a rapper as your avatar if you are a fan of rap music any more than it was to have a poster in your room of an artist or athlete as a kid (or a "print" as an adult, ha)—it's the LOL dynamic that makes it weird ... i dont really think this is angsty white guilt parsing per se. a person who only used white athletes in their avatar would prob seem a lil suspect too
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
thanks for finding that, i had the hubris to try opening a 9400 posts here and then chrome took ten minutes to crash
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
everyone is racist
― ledriver, Monday, 13 October 2014 23:46 (nine years ago) link
We get so bombarded with images of these media celebrities that they become part of our visual language. While it's probably worth interrogating how we use the images and why, it's not realistic to expect people not to use them. I mean these are media personalities, and they're full of camp and caricature. Maybe it's not cool for a suburban white kid to put Gucci Mane as his avatar or w/e, but if so, then why is it ok for him to drive around mouthing the lyrics in his car and mimicking the videos, or to listen to it at all for that matter? I get why there can be racism in this, I just think the average teenager gets sent a pretty confusing message about how he's supposed to digest it all.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
so all this Cosbygifs shit is racist as hell
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
the reason white teenagers get mixed messages about their consumption of black culture is because there's no pure-of-heart, correct way for white teenagers to consume it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
lorde
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
oh lorde
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
But srsly I feel like there has been a schizo relationship to black pop culture ever since there has been widely distributed black pop culture, and it seems like the channels of media distribution kind of want people to have that relationship to it, because that's what makes it feels subversive and dangerous and guilty. Sorry if this is the kind of shit that is already taken for granted on ILM/ILX, some of you guys are always two steps ahead of me.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
Like clearly this stuff is intended for white consumption, but white people are supposed to feel a little teensy bit like maybe it isn't.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
Ohhh lorde please talk to this sucker cause they killin hip hop
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
couldn't bring myself to type it :D
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 19:16 (nine years ago) link
http://I.imgur.com/SiwVMtl.jpg
This obv doesn't beg the question if it is racist, for it so so obv is. It's getting that time of the year again where Sinterklaas and his blackfaced 'helpers' are on their way. In recent years the debate about this has heated up more and more. The more traction the anti-Black Pete movement is getting (even though prob 95% wants things to stay the same/doesn't care), the more grim the racist counter reactions are, bringing up the vilest racism I've ever seen. The Zwarte Piet discussion lays bare how racist this country really is, and still most people are blind to it. Reactions like "if you n-word don't like our tradition then fuck off to your own country" are common (even though most are born here, or in my case, born here and white btw and also against it). I won't go into the 'pro' camps 'arguments', as they are too depressingly stupid. But it comes down to: it's tradition, he's black because he came down a chimney (O RLY? Did he get those lips and earrings from going down a chimney as well?) etc.
The above image is from today. Not the 50s or 60s, no, from today. A right wing political party (who are in office!) in rotterdam hung black Pete dolls on lamp posts... Yes, that's right. They hung them, to make a case for 'black Pete is not going away and fuiud'. You can't make this stuff up. Mayors have said it's a case of the people to decide. And our idiot prime minister famously said 'I can't change BP's appearance, because black is what he is', embarrassingly referring to a black friend he has who doesn't have a problem with it (*weeps*).
Sorry for going on but I needed to vent. Never before have I felt so out of touch with nearly 95% of the people of this country. The 'debate' tears through family relations and friends. Yet still I'm optimistic. Every year more and more people are pleading for a reform of some sorts (make Pete of all colors, not just black etc). And I believe in ten years things WILL have changed for the better. But man, the whole white reaction when even suggesting to change things a little are so aggressive, so 'you can't take this from me! This is what defines us Dutch!'. It is so godawful depressing,
/end of rant
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
Amazing... Imgur removed the image. That's all you need to know really.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
http://I.imgur.com/h6JRH64.jpg
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
http://www.whitenessproject.org/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
DEPRESSING. Especially the comments about slavery.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
The area of town where my wife works has all these Halloween decorations up around the various civic and arts institutions, giant wooden articulated cutouts that look like zombies and goblins and whatnot. But a great many of them look a lot like traditional blackface figures, much like Le Bateau Ivre's picture, that I can't believe someone didn't say "Hmmm, maybe we need different stuff." The first time I came down the street and saw one I did a double take.
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
xpsIs it only me that's struggling to see exactly what the project has to do with 'whiteness'?
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
I think that's one of the insights of the project
― anonanon, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 23:12 (nine years ago) link
I'd considered that angle but the 'whiteness project' can hardly trade on its failure to get white people to talk about what it means to be white. If one of the big insight is supposed to be that most white people conceive of race in term of the 'other', then it has shown us nothing that we weren't familiar with.
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 23:26 (nine years ago) link
I said this in someone's fb feed today but my impression of the clips that I've seen is that at least part of the project is to give people enough rope to hang themselves. Which I enjoy to maybe an uncharitable degree, and which granted has a short shelf life after which it's just piling wrongness and trauma on top of wrongness and trauma, but I can enjoy it for a little bit at least.
It's also revealing that white ppl seem to want to talk about whiteness by talking about non-white people instead of any intrinsic qualities of "whiteness"--it may rather turn out to show that the concept of "whiteness" is hollow in a lot of places and already defined by it's...hm "opposite" may not be the right term because nurturing a binary relationship is totally not helpful given the infinite spectrum. But anyway defined by what it is not. That it's to some (maybe a large) degree only propped up by its opposition?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:39 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, you did basically say that in fewer words, but I think you may be overrating how familiar people are with that possibility?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:40 (nine years ago) link
Anyway I came here to say that one of my relatives is really upset about MObama's vine co-opting a Lil Jon song to promote the consumption of a healthy fall vegetable. Her affronted concern trolling for the dignity of the office of First Lady is delicious.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
i'm guessing "turnip for what"
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
whiteness as a whole has been defined by our treatment of non-white ppl, when they actually talk about being white they just bring up their specific ethnicities rather than race cause there's actually something else to talk about there
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:47 (nine years ago) link
Exactly! She was so mad she wouldn't even tell me WHAT video, I had to go searching youtube.com and guess at which MObama attack ad it was mostly likely to be!
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
Well that whiteness thing isn't going to get very far. If you're inclined to say things like, "I don't get the whole discrimination thing," you're likely to view a "whiteness project" as the product of elitists.
Those responses are the embodiment of "whiteness" - avoiding dialogue with outsiders is a tactic if exclusion. So is the refusal to think about discrimination, to consider another's view.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:13 (nine years ago) link
"tactic of" exclusion, I meant.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
they sound honest though - isn't that the point? to get their honest, biased views?actually, i don't really know what the end game is here with it either
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
This was where I saw it, fwiw:
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/15/why_the_whiteness_project_is_so_mortifying_partner/
― polyphonic, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
People are talking about it like we are here so maybe it's good idk
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
"Maybe it's good idk" -- 2014 rallying cry
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
seems like it will shortly outlive its usefulness once it achieves ubiquity at which point racist white people will call it out as racist against white people and avoid it
then we can just go back to flagging the everyday racist things white people say all over the internet
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
We sure do talk about white people a lot.
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
I do wonder what determined the constant emphasis on being white as an opposition to blackness in these videos - was it the questions, was it unprompted, selective editing of answers? Or was it really that these people automatically focused on it?
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
gathering individual testimonies on some general notion of whiteness abstracted from the dynamics & situations in which it is reified seems unproductive. the only value is negative & given how defensive ppl are about it it doesn't seem helpful. there's plenty of more serious & historical attempts to understand ~whiteness~ like the nell irvin painter "history of white people"
― ogmor, Thursday, 16 October 2014 21:07 (nine years ago) link
I actually think the whiteness project is productive, partly *because* whiteness is (maybe just for white people? or just me??) such an elusive concept -- in these videos, the juxtaposition of attitudes that aren't normally found in such close proximity (because of age & class stratification) comes closer to making the essence of "whiteness" appear than anything else I've ever encountered in my life
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Friday, 17 October 2014 00:10 (nine years ago) link
like obviously the hipster girl wearing coke cans in her hair(??) saying "I JUST CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHICH RACIST JOKES ARE OKAY TO TELL AROUND MY BLACK FRIENDS" is worlds away from the working-class dude who still has an ax to grind over some affirmative-action hires that got newspaper coverage in 1993, who is in turn worlds away from the office professional saying "none of my coworkers identify as white, we all identify as Irish or Polish or Italian"
... buuuuut they are all part of the ungraspable totality of White Systemic Racism in America & it is unusually honest to see them lumped together as such
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Friday, 17 October 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link
I'm worried my argument might boil down to "the ignorant statements any given white person is likely to make will reflect only a narrow subset of all the possible ignorant things white people in america can believe"
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Friday, 17 October 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link
the affirmative action case that old guy references is fairly recent, though
― Nhex, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:28 (nine years ago) link
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
xp sorry I just assumed it was older because lol news cycles... would it at least be fair to say that the interpretive framework through which the Old White perceives an affirmative-action-related lawsuit is basically unchanged since the 90s? because I'm pretty sure that, if you had asked him in 2002, there would have been some high-profile case in the past ~5 years he could have pointed to just as easily, to make the exact same point.
btw my gut feeling is that this tendency is less pronounced among millennial whites, but I could be totally off the mark there... I've definitely encountered the second-generation affirmative-action grievance before ('my uncle was passed over for promotions at THREE different companies!' type shit)
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Friday, 17 October 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/10/director_of_the_whiteness_project_wants_honest_conversation_about_race.html
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 17 October 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
I think I uktimately agree with this dude and what he's trying to do but I'm not very likely to check out the rest of this
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link
I’m going to be frank. I’m not really interested in hearing white folks talk about race or whiteness. I’ve been a minority in majority-white spaces since I was 12 years old. I feel like I know what your subjects are going to say. Why should I take the time to watch?I would say that people like you and me who have thought about race a lot and have been around and processed it, maybe that’s not who this project is for. But, again, I go back to all these women of color who’ve written me from Albuquerque to Australia, who’ve said it was really painful but incredibly cathartic to hear what white people say when they’re not in the room. That’s all I can say.Are you afraid that you’ll end up creating caricatures of white people? How will you avoid that?I certainly hope not; that’s not my intention. I think that’s an issue every time you do a project on race: People always try not to see themselves in the people up there on the screen. One of the reasons why I did it in Buffalo is because when people think about race they think about the South. When I did “Two Towns of Jasper,” people would say, “That’s not me. That’s the South.” But you’d be in denial as a white person if you didn’t admit that you hold some of the most discomforting things [said in “The Whiteness Project”]. When Deanna says white people think black men are inherently violent, she’s not saying something that people don’t know. And I’m not sure why I’m getting attacked for saying something that’s true. All she’s saying is something that’s representative of 40 percent of white Americans. I don’t think it’s that radical to acknowledge it. You can caricature [“The Whiteness Project”] but you’d be missing an opportunity to examine perhaps for yourself why and how what’s being said relates to you—as opposed to attacking person saying it. It’s not about these particular individuals. They represent common views. I don’t want people tying this whole thing to those particular 21 people in Buffalo. I commend and respect them. And I am incredibly grateful that they agreed to participate.Have you talked to anyone involved in the series since it went live last Friday?Yeah. One person told me he values and believes in what I’m trying to do. But he also says he’s nervous about the effect it’ll have on everyone. You know, I’m happy to become the punching bag for this project but I really hope these 21 people don’t become the punching bag. They took a leap of faith about being honest and it’s terrible to think that then you get punished for it. Everyone’s always saying they want an honest conversation about race but then when you have one, you can’t punish people when they speak their minds—especially if they’re not attacking you. And certainly if you want to bring someone along [in their understanding of race] and make progress, attacking them does not advance the conversation. In the responses you’ve gotten since last Friday, what’re the three common themes you’ve picked up?One: “This is amazing, Thank you for doing this, This is the most incredible thing I’ve seen.” Two: “I don’t understand it.” Three: “You’re a fucking asshole”—and, “You all just should die.”
I would say that people like you and me who have thought about race a lot and have been around and processed it, maybe that’s not who this project is for. But, again, I go back to all these women of color who’ve written me from Albuquerque to Australia, who’ve said it was really painful but incredibly cathartic to hear what white people say when they’re not in the room. That’s all I can say.
Are you afraid that you’ll end up creating caricatures of white people? How will you avoid that?
I certainly hope not; that’s not my intention. I think that’s an issue every time you do a project on race: People always try not to see themselves in the people up there on the screen. One of the reasons why I did it in Buffalo is because when people think about race they think about the South. When I did “Two Towns of Jasper,” people would say, “That’s not me. That’s the South.” But you’d be in denial as a white person if you didn’t admit that you hold some of the most discomforting things [said in “The Whiteness Project”]. When Deanna says white people think black men are inherently violent, she’s not saying something that people don’t know. And I’m not sure why I’m getting attacked for saying something that’s true. All she’s saying is something that’s representative of 40 percent of white Americans. I don’t think it’s that radical to acknowledge it. You can caricature [“The Whiteness Project”] but you’d be missing an opportunity to examine perhaps for yourself why and how what’s being said relates to you—as opposed to attacking person saying it. It’s not about these particular individuals. They represent common views. I don’t want people tying this whole thing to those particular 21 people in Buffalo. I commend and respect them. And I am incredibly grateful that they agreed to participate.
Have you talked to anyone involved in the series since it went live last Friday?
Yeah. One person told me he values and believes in what I’m trying to do. But he also says he’s nervous about the effect it’ll have on everyone. You know, I’m happy to become the punching bag for this project but I really hope these 21 people don’t become the punching bag. They took a leap of faith about being honest and it’s terrible to think that then you get punished for it. Everyone’s always saying they want an honest conversation about race but then when you have one, you can’t punish people when they speak their minds—especially if they’re not attacking you. And certainly if you want to bring someone along [in their understanding of race] and make progress, attacking them does not advance the conversation.
In the responses you’ve gotten since last Friday, what’re the three common themes you’ve picked up?
One: “This is amazing, Thank you for doing this, This is the most incredible thing I’ve seen.” Two: “I don’t understand it.” Three: “You’re a fucking asshole”—and, “You all just should die.”
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
I don't need to watch this; I can get exactly the same results by going to pretty much any family gathering.
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, October 17, 2014 11:05 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― example (crüt), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
me three i think.
everybody i've shared that link with gives me serious side-eye and then asks why i want them to watch it."discussing whiteness" among liberal white people is an immediately suspect thing to do.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
Just throwing out there that one of the reasons white people don't have anything to say about whiteness that isn't about non-whiteness is that whiteness is already, as the metaphor goes, the water we're swimming in. What do you say about air? What do you say about the sun coming up in the morning?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
when you grow up as effectively the ONLY black person in your town, the white ppl around you sometimes forget you're black and expect you to parrot this shit back at them, so I haven't really felt like I've learned anything other than new and exciting ways to roll my eyes
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
Basically it just demonstrates that whiteness is the baseline of "normal" for white people and everything deviating from it is what's up for discussion.
Some of us don't need this demonstrated but it's okay if not everything is for you/me/us. Like Dan said.
xp Well sure.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
xxp it's warm, it's cold, it's humid, it's bright, it's dim, it's oppressive, it's stifling, it's open, it's freeing, it's beautiful, it's bleakno shots fired at you orbit, but lacking an opinion or perspective on your inherent/unearned role in the place where you live and the culture where you do your business strikes me as lacking in self-awareness and empathy
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
this seems of a type (though better and more thoughtfully constructed) with the videos Sarkeesian is putting out on video games.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
lacking an opinion or perspective on your inherent/unearned role in the place where you live and the culture where you do your business strikes me as lacking in self-awareness and empathy
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, October 17, 2014 3:25 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes, I rather think that's the point.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link
your post about "the water we're swimming in" etc read to me as if you were arguing clueless whiteness as an understandable (and perhaps forgivable) state of self; i'm suggesting it doesn't take much imagination to avoid.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
I think you read that post exactly 100% wrong wrt tone
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link
could be.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link
whiteness is really more about in-groupness than anything else. if you meet someone new and they conform to a general blandness then they code as white.
not sure if it was on that whiteness project page or elsewhere but the dumb idea that all these people of color or distinct ethnicity have a homeland they could return to if they don't like it here in 'merica is pretty much the core of unexamined assumptions about who and what you actually are in society
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 17 October 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
I'm gonna come across as typically clueless but I'd like to see "general blandness" interrogated. I can relate to that judgment of whiteness but I don't think I understand well what I'm relating to.
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 18 October 2014 10:54 (nine years ago) link
I would like to see "whiteness" and "general blandness" divorced as concepts.
Blandness is the absence of flavour. It is the concept of whiteness as not-a-thing - when it is not not-a-thing, it is itself a carefully constructed pose represented as a default.
That positioning "whiteness" as "Mayo" or "Vanilla" is a more helpful way of looking at it.
Mayonnaise has a flavour! It has a creamy, oily, slightly eggy flavour that you learn not to notice when you have been eating sandwiches soaked in mayonnaise your entire life. Vanilla also has a flavour! That one has learned to eat vanilla ice cream, and thinking of it as "not a flavour" without noticing that ice cream itself has the physical sensations of sweet, fatty, cold, and vanilla itself has a flavour which is actually distinct from eating plain cream. One only thinks of vanilla ice cream as "not having a flavour" in comparison with rocky road or mint chocolate chip. But compared to a glass of water, milk has a very definite flavour. It's a flavour we've been trained through familiarity not to notice. (And milk is an even more apt comparison, because Northern Europeans are pretty unique among humans through having a weird mutation which allows us to digest milk as adults!)
Equating "whiteness" and "blandness" is dangerous because it ignores all this. Equating "whiteness" and "default" is more to the point, because one can relearn viewing "default" as "one position among many available positions" as opposed to the "total lack of positionality" that "blandness" implies.
― Jacques Lacan let me rock u; let me rock u, Jacques Lacan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 18 October 2014 11:45 (nine years ago) link
Your food examples are great, raising points about those flavors of food that get cast as bland. Mayo, the devil's condiment, has a flavor (I am told) that is easy not to notice; same with milk. Are they cast as bland because they're familiar to "white folk" as the tastes of "their" culture? I don't know. My father comes from Latin America and finds much "white person" North American food inedible because, he says, it's bland. He'll load that food up with salsa and then it's ok. I think that putting chilis on food doesn't code as bland to my father on account of its being "his" culture's taste. Instead, he'll say it burns his mouth, and that's not bland. So there's something about food blandness, it seems, that exceeds mere cultural familiarity.
But if that's right, then is there an analog to whiteness there?
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 18 October 2014 12:41 (nine years ago) link
No, because I think that that is where the metaphor falls down.
Because there is an actual quality of 'blandness' in real food - as when drinking water, pure distilled water has no taste. But there is no race equivalent of 'water'! Even when talking about "whiteness" as default, we see this when comparing American whiteness to e.g. British whiteness. There are very distinct and noticeable differences which show that there is a thing, there is a quality, a presence there, it's just a presence that has become invisible through sheer familiarity. (I would compare American Whiteness not to blandness, but to... sweetness. Or a specific sugary taste. Like, when I visit the States, I am struck by how sweet all of the food is, even savoury food. Yoghurt, bread, sauces, cereal, tinned beans - everything tasted so highly sugared that I ended up having to go to special 'natural' shops to get unsweetened versions of things, for a taste I was more familiar with!)
When thinking about whiteness in this way, I think it's more helpful to think about it in terms of accent. Everyone - even native speakers - speaks English (or Spanish, or Arabic, or other multi-nation languages) with an accent. Your own accent is almost never noticeable to you, until confronted with an accent that is different from yours. Accent is always perceived in relation to someone else. There have been various attempts to standardise accents e.g. the whole idea of Received Pronunciation in British English - no one in British actually natively speaks with that accent! But the closer one's accent is to that accent, the less "accented" one's English is supposed to sound. (Even though R.P. is itself an accent, and a forced, unnatural one at that!)
Whiteness is like that; it's conforming to an artificially decided "standard" of an accent which works to make you appear accentless, when really, there is no such thing as speech without accent. There is no such thing as "blandness" in accent. There is just closer or further away from familiarity, or from an artificial standard. Whiteness functions as a cultural standard in the same way.
― Jacques Lacan let me rock u; let me rock u, Jacques Lacan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 18 October 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
Yes, that all sounds right to me.
Then I wonder: what is the quality, or presence, of American Whiteness?
I realize that many of you will be laughing at me at this point, and I deserve it. But it's where I was raised, and where I feel culturally alien, and where I keep trying to run away from because it doesn't interest me, and I want to know: what is it that doesn't interest me? It's not that it's bland, it has a presence, a flavor, that's it's own; but what is this flavor?
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 18 October 2014 14:13 (nine years ago) link
I hope we don't find out. Unless we are talking about the relative pallor of someone's skin, we are talking about an illusion.
I'm old enough that I can't get past it as a concept defended and enforced by segregationists.
Was surprised to see Jews included, and some of them don't even look white. The people saying the most racist things probably would not have accepted Jews back in the day. I don't like the fact that these racist whites are being told that these Jews are "white like them".
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Saturday, 18 October 2014 14:22 (nine years ago) link
I didn't mean bland as in opposed to flavor, just perceived as to have no inherent distinguishable qualities.
lacking strong features or characteristics and therefore uninteresting.
There have been various attempts to standardise accents
In the US, this is the "general american" accent, also known as the broadcaster's accent. A large portion of americans speak generally within its bounds, although there's only a small swath in the midwest where it's the "native" accent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American
The idea of "whiteness" in the US is completely wrapped up in entrenched monied/patriarchal/political power structures. If you don't sound or look particularly different from a perceived "white" norm then you can fall into it. It is not an inclusionary definition, it is exclusionary. If you can't be defined as "not white" then you're white.
― ⌘-B (mh), Saturday, 18 October 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link
I guess I should note that "general american" is not an attempt to standardize accent, it's just adoption of a particularly unextravagant accent as a norm for purposes of broadcast news.
― ⌘-B (mh), Saturday, 18 October 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Accent is a good example of whiteness norms - you're expected to assimilate to some "standard" if you want to move up in the world.
A shame this whiteness thing brings up stuff like, "why do black people talk about slavery"? I'm having a major conflict on my Facebook h.s. group over something more subtle - how even allegedly "sensitive" white people prefer to move away from the "inner ring" burbs. The less white these burbs get, the less desirable they are. As in, "I don't want to live near a fried fish joint, my home value will decline." To the point that people I thought were my friends have referred to my neighborhood as "ghetto". If that isn't white...
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Saturday, 18 October 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
So there's this:
http://media.irishcentral.com/images/MI+australia-no-way+Irish+Voice.jpg
― cardamon, Saturday, 18 October 2014 21:45 (nine years ago) link
Eh, this guy talks the talk, but I get the feeling he can't walk the walk. If he's all that's standing between me and the land of the long weekend, I think we're homefree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12WH4a92w
― how's life, Saturday, 18 October 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/SYoMqBe.jpg
― pplains, Sunday, 19 October 2014 04:09 (nine years ago) link
hasnt been updated in 2 days, seems like a record, nice work america
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 20 October 2014 06:31 (nine years ago) link
ok, here's a new one... 🎺 let's play Is This Racist!:
popular denver burrito chain with several locations plans expansion to nearby ft collins, whereupon residents protest its name, "Illegal Pete's"...
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/money/2014/10/22/residents-ask-illegal-petes-change-name/17738197/
protestors claim that using the word 'illegal' in reference to a person in any manner evokes the term 'illegals', a pejorative often used targeting immigrants
the owner claims that the word 'illegal' was chosen for its connotations to cool underground activities or whatever and has nothing to do with immigration or anything of the sort
you heard what each side has to say, now it's up to YOU to decide... IS!.. THIS!.... RACIST!?!
― sleepingbag, Friday, 24 October 2014 01:39 (nine years ago) link
You don't really have a stellar track record on these things so I'll go ahead and call it for you: it's racist
― 龜, Friday, 24 October 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link
who knows what the "intent" originally was, but I say when a business name is at least equally open to racist and non-racist interpretations, probably best change the name
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 October 2014 02:38 (nine years ago) link
Especially if you're a capitalist.
― pplains, Friday, 24 October 2014 03:44 (nine years ago) link
Ha ha hahaha...anyone remember Sambo's?
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Friday, 24 October 2014 12:35 (nine years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/pancakes-and-pickaninnies-the-saga-of-sambo-s-the-racist-restaurant-chain-america-once-loved.html
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Friday, 24 October 2014 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Sambo may refer to:
Sambo (racial term), a term for a person with African heritage that is now considered offensiveSambo (martial art), developed in the USSRSambo, the main character in the 1899 book The Story of Little Black SamboSambo's, a restaurant chainSambo's Grave, grave of a slave (died 1736) at Sunderland Point in Lancashire, EnglandTG Sambo, a Korean computer manufacturerSambomaster, a Japanese rock bandSammanboende (or samboende), a Swedish term for people in cohabitationSambo, the name in Ecuador for cucurbita ficifolia, a type of gourdSambo, a romanized term for the three ancestral treasures of Chinese cultureSambo, Irish and Australian slang term for sandwich
yis ruin everything rly
― local eire man (darraghmac), Friday, 24 October 2014 12:44 (nine years ago) link
we say 'sanga' instead now
― mit iodine (electricsound), Saturday, 25 October 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link
ttytt we favour sangidge ourselves
― local eire man (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 October 2014 00:11 (nine years ago) link
Brown hand shaking white hand to illustrate low crime rate (not sure if link will work). Pasadena's tech website (Innovate Pasadena).
http://i1.wp.com/www.innovatepasadena.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/IP_City-of-Innovation.png?resize=940%2C2737
― nickn, Saturday, 25 October 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link
Open in new tab and click for full size.
― nickn, Saturday, 25 October 2014 00:23 (nine years ago) link
wrapper turnt sanga
― k3vin k., Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link
^ made this same pun in my head
― 龜, Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:39 (nine years ago) link
so, annie lennox, huh. like...you can tell the media that beyoncé is not a real feminist, OR you can cover "strange fruit" on your new album, but doing both in quick succession seems like a terrible idea.
― you little affront to god (reddening), Saturday, 25 October 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
whoa wtf
― ⌘-B (mh), Saturday, 25 October 2014 12:56 (nine years ago) link
I just found this in a box of pictures and letters. From Pendelton, Oregon, c. 1979.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5608/15004800363_9602bbf012_c.jpg
― Je55e, Saturday, 25 October 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
I've never been to Pendleton but I live sort of near it, and I swear I've heard stories about it having a big kkk presence that went on much longer than you might have expected.
― joygoat, Saturday, 25 October 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
Weird. We lived near Pilot Rock. Do you know it?
― Je55e, Saturday, 25 October 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
I used to eat at sambos when I was a kid. Very scared of the dude in the tiger costume, according to my mom. I guess they all got turned into Denny's and coco's. From wikipedia:
Sambo's is a restaurant, formerly an American restaurant chain, started in 1957 by Sam Battistone, Sr. and Newell Bohnett. Though the name was taken from portions of the names of its founders, the chain soon found itself associated with The Story of Little Black Sambo. Battistone, Sr. and Bohnett capitalized on the coincidence by decorating the walls of the restaurants with scenes from the book, including a dark-skinned boy, tigers, and a pale, magical unicycle-riding man called "The Treefriend".
― the late great, Saturday, 25 October 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
apparently the original sambo's (in Santa Barbara) is still open
― the late great, Saturday, 25 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
oh whoops I didn't see the daily beast article
― the late great, Saturday, 25 October 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
That's funny, I remember the controversy. We grew up in such a liberal, PC area that it was waaay bad to eat at Sambo's. I had to eat there once and was mortified, afraid my super liberal church would get wind of it, my civil rights cred tarnished. It was like a Denny's. then Denny's got reamed for discrimination. With the Aunt Jemima suit and all, maybe pancakes are hopelessly racist.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Saturday, 25 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11174663/Paris-Opera-cast-refuse-to-perform-for-veiled-woman.html
Seriously, I'd be happier in a world were niqabs were a thing of the past but I would be also quite happy if an opera choir didn't mind my clothing enough to refuse to perform and make a huge deal out of it. This reeks of typical french islamophobia, subtly veiled under woman rights issues and it makes me sick.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 25 October 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
i remember eating at sambos! Been a helluva long time.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 October 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
There used to be a Sambo's over where the Walgreen's is now. They tried to pass off Sambo as being some sort of Indian boy, but we knew.
The high school Denny's was never the same once they replaced the cigarette vending machine with one of those stuffed animal crane games.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, January 13, 2006 11:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― pplains, Sunday, 26 October 2014 03:51 (nine years ago) link
I remember drinking the most refreshing glass of water in that Sambo's. Maybe I was a kid and had never bothered to drink water in a restaurant before.
― pplains, Sunday, 26 October 2014 03:52 (nine years ago) link
I came across a cache of old Sambo's
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 26 October 2014 07:15 (nine years ago) link
my mom worked at a Sambo's when I was little (prob. 1978-1979). They had classic country on the jukebox and one of the waitresses gave me a stuffed rabbit for christmas.
― sarahell, Sunday, 26 October 2014 09:16 (nine years ago) link
I mean this is like... not v good, right? If not deliberate then at least pretty unfortunate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8x81Rpl_FA
― Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-stein-obama-racist
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 3 November 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Wow that dude has aged badly
― 龜, Monday, 3 November 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
he's about 70. his ideas sure haven't aged well.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
"ideas"
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 November 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
ideology and trivia
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Has there been discussion of that Lena Dunham/Lil Jon vote spot that ran recently? IDK if it's overtly racist, but something subtly rubbed me the wrong way about it, with the 'voters' being mostly white or at least college-y looking. Maybe it's just a spot narrowly targeted to that demographic and I'm reading too much into it, but it felt a little too much like Lil Jon was a prop.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
tbf when is Lil Jon not a prop
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
I think also it being lena dunham using him as a prop especially irked me
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link
so fucking pissed off right now
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S3612199.shtml?cat=1
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 November 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2014/11/gang-sign-story-backfires-on-kstp/
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 November 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
Gang sign vs. The lindy england
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 November 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
this station specializes in this shit....called up their news hotline to complain, they are so concerned about "welfare fraud" it has it's own goddamn menu option
https://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/kstp
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 November 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBLBxb29maw
Anti-Black Pete activists go to London dressed as Black Pete to record the response of people confronted with blackface. It will make fuck all the difference in the Netherlands probably but I applaud the responses. Oh, and they bump into Russell Brand by accident.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
New niece for me! So looking at baby clothes (and of course you should always dress babes up as animals) and I noticed this url. Why is 'hiphip' a tag here?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Infant-Halloween-Costumes-Baby-Romper-Jumpsuit-Animal-Cosplay-Onesie-Suit-Hiphop-Monkey-Guenon-Animal-Style0-3/2031844800.html
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
For the same reason I told everyone not to get my kids monkey stuff
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
I would back slowly away from that website. There may some cultural confusion with some of the Chinese retailers creating their own English translations, but
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-quality-cool-black-Monkey-boy-Mascot-Costume-Character-Halloween-Costumes-Fancy-Dress-Suit-Free-Shipping/32222574868.html
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link
Holy.
― Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Thursday, 13 November 2014 05:15 (nine years ago) link
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
... wat
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 14 November 2014 00:15 (nine years ago) link
anti-racists dress up as racists to prove ...
That it's racist. Point is, people in Netherlands don't consider it racist. They are not alone. In Denmark, we had a theater company doing an 'anti-racist' project where people would be put in blackface to learn about how it feels to be black. As one angry Swedish black man put in when they tried to take it to Sweden: 'If people want to know what being black feels like THEN ASK ME!!!'
There are still many Danes who thought it was an ok anti-racist project, even though it objectively pissed off a lot of black people.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 November 2014 00:19 (nine years ago) link
the didactic plebs who made the video chose well by going to a country where disfavour for explicit cartoon racism is perfectly compatible with structural racism possibly more acute than in the netherlands itself
― disconnected externalized and unrecognizable signifying structure (nakhchivan), Friday, 14 November 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
people would be put in blackface to learn about how it feels to be black
this is just so abysmally clueless that it is hard to comprehend. but then, it was done by theater people, so...
― oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Friday, 14 November 2014 00:29 (nine years ago) link
the netherlands had a black national football team manager sixteen years ago whereas today a dutch manager being appointed by an english football team singlehandedly raised the proportion of black professional football managers in england to a healthy 3%
― disconnected externalized and unrecognizable signifying structure (nakhchivan), Friday, 14 November 2014 00:30 (nine years ago) link
http://black-face.com/blackface-world.htm
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 November 2014 00:57 (nine years ago) link
an 'anti-racist' project where people would be put in blackface to learn about how it feels to be black.
This is hilarious.
― pplains, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:20 (nine years ago) link
"I was greeted with scorn and ugly looks wherever I went. Power to the People."
― pplains, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:57 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26bhdAEZf1qc5s5co1_250.gif
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link
sry to interrupt i haven't read this thread in a month and that post was too much
if it was a quote-unquote politically correct area there would be no "Sambo's" it is true
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:40 (nine years ago) link
"So we walk into Sambo's wearing our blackface makeup, and the manager wouldn't seat us! Not even at the counter!"
― pplains, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
That is bullshit, but do keep up with the hostility. No one ever lived in a politically correct area. Do go on with your strange obsessions. It's the truth, your poor logic won't change it. You're transparent, and I'm not afraid of you. I've had real-life KKK members. Do try to be one tenth as scary.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:06 (nine years ago) link
This thread has had many posts where I have to just sit back and blink for a few minutes like I'm not sure if we've collectedly decided to just ignore them or
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
baiting I M Losted is a bad look tho
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'm done
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:11 (nine years ago) link
You're transparent, and I'm not afraid of you.
― pplains, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
"politically correct"2014
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:15 (nine years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Black_Like_Me.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me
― nickn, Friday, 14 November 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
And the movie version. (Seen the movie, never read the book.)
http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/6061/445058_020.jpg
― nickn, Friday, 14 November 2014 04:07 (nine years ago) link
^ yeah that's common knowledge right? i read about it several times in grade school (always laudatory)
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 04:09 (nine years ago) link
Popular in its day, and very well received. But James Whitmore passing as black was o_O to me even in the early 70s.
― nickn, Friday, 14 November 2014 04:12 (nine years ago) link
it provided a great cory matthews zinger
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 04:18 (nine years ago) link
I read the book. He supposedly took a bunch of tanning pills.
Which you'd think every white theater major would've tried by now.
― pplains, Friday, 14 November 2014 04:44 (nine years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/819dgLLVR7L._SL1500_.jpg
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 15 November 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
honestly never occurred to me but i guess so
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 November 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
Haha wow how has this never occurred to me
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 15 November 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
wait srsly that has never occurred to you guys, dang
― gbx, Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
when i was a kid, I made my own othello board out of wood and painted bingo chips http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
ha holy shit
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:31 (nine years ago) link
The name was selected as a reference to the Shakespearean play Othello, the Moor of Venice, referring to the conflict between the Moor Othello and Iago, and more controversially, to the unfolding drama between Othello, who is black, and Desdemona, who is white. The green color of the board is inspired by the image of the general Othello, valiantly leading his battle in a green field. It can also be likened to a jealousy competition (jealousy being the central theme in Shakespeare's play), since players engulf the pieces of the opponent, thereby turning them to their possession.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
source links to a time article behind a paywall
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
More on Zwarte Piet, 90 people were arrested in Gouda for protesting in a non-designated zone yesterday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30069240
The Gouda authorities introduced other coloured Petes, including a Cheese Pete, this year
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 16 November 2014 10:00 (nine years ago) link
Yup. Right wing media crying wolf saying a children's party has been ruined forever. Death threats to people who want to change the tradition. A former (social democrat) MP actually denied to shake my hand a couple of weeks back because I've published op-ed's about how we need to get rid of this blackface tradition.At the other end I had friends of mine arrested, simply for BEING there and being black. Black people were seen as suspect simply because of the color of their skin.
Meanwhile we have a PM, Cameron's best friend Rutte, saying 'Pete is black because he is black, it's a tradition, children's party' etc. What a fucking shambles. Take away our healthcare, let banks dupe you, it's all no problem. But you want to change a racist blackface tradition? Get out of this country! That's the tendency in this 'tolerant' backwards country. Death threats are through the roof. When football player Leroy Fer shared a photo on Instagram this weekend he gets dozens of comments calling him monkey, black pete etc. The attack on black Pete brings out the blatant racism that is virile in this fucking country.
These are our culture wars, but we *will* win. This racist blackface tradition WILL go.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
a MP knowing who you are seems like a pretty good humblebrag
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, 17 November 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
Man.
fightin the good fight amory
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link
We had a version of Othello on the BBC B Micro, only it was called Reversi. Loved the crap out of it and would play my dad for hours at it.
― you fuck one chud... (stevie), Monday, 17 November 2014 11:05 (nine years ago) link
I first became aware of Othello when I was 5 or 6 years old and a commercial played regularly during afternoon cartoons. The commercial featured an old asian man who waved his hands over the tiles, causing them to flip from white to black. I begged my mom for the game, but she explained to me that the tiles did not actually do that. You had to flip them over yourself.
― holla back for a dope nakh (how's life), Monday, 17 November 2014 11:33 (nine years ago) link
moms are such killjoys
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, 17 November 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
I was p pissed when I got Guess Who around the same age and the faces didn't pop out of the cards and talk to me like they did to the kids in the commercial.
― Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 November 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
ultimately my parents never did help me put it together
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 November 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
stevie otm
― example (crüt), Monday, 17 November 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
lol @ the throwing in of a mystical asian. some bewildering semiotic terrain this game.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:20 (nine years ago) link
(and all to dress up go jr.: cultural approps!)
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
I've never played this game, but could it be more racial than racist?
I mean, what if you're the black team and you win all the time? What if you played it while listening to the White Album?
― pplains, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
"mystical asian" probably a nod to othello's provenance as poor man's go
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 November 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
i need to make my posts less gnomic
anyway there's nothing Racist abt the game itself i think, or no more than chess. (not sure when chess standardized white/black.) it's just the name that insists you try to read it as a metaphor about race relations, which is a mess: on the one hand the races are total/essential and at implacable war; on the other hand people apparently find it easy to switch their race; on the other other hand maybe the process represented by the flipping pieces is cleansing/repopulation. none of these thoughts would exist if not for the name.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
(so because the name invokes a torrent of signs it has no idea what to do with and is invoking cheaply and shallowly i am cool w being anti-it)
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:44 (nine years ago) link
this is a no-brainer don't sweat it
― Fairly peng (wins), Monday, 17 November 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
not sure when chess standardized white/black
p recently I would say - they're red and white in Lewis Carroll for ex.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
none of these thoughts would exist if not for the name.
sry maybe it's foolish to say none of these thoughts would exist abt a game made on earth by white people featuring a war between white and black pieces. none of these thoughts would exist specifically about this game zall.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
oh look
this is p interesting actually
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
it is!
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
I mean just... waht:
it was evident that players could in many cases choose Black when they had the first move, even if the published game-score indicated that White had moved first.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:53 (nine years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Monday, November 17, 2014 5:20 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mastermind2.jpg
We had this Mastermind at home when I was young. The cover of the box fascinated me to no end.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:05 (nine years ago) link
i am positive we did this on another thread already (maybe this one) but i guess this is the next linehttp://www.le.ac.uk/press/press/landmarkreunion.html
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
Didn't know that but thanks Forks!
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, November 17, 2014 2:00 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not really. It was merely to illustrate that even someone who practically shakes hands for a living - a politician - couldn't bring himself to shake mine, even though we go back a bit. That is how Black Pete is dividing this shameful nation right now.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
On the mastermind box, from tvtropes:
The game was originally produced with box-art that seemed to suggest that "masterminds" would pose like James Bond villains and have Dragon Lady girlfriends
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
good ol' tv tropes
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
maybe this is just me but when I was a kid I thought they were both masterminds
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
yeah I had that too and their identity/role was confounding - were these the people I was playing against (then shouldn't there only be one of them?) or were they opponents playing against each other? is that guy supposed to be some evil British colonialist etc
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
My thought was "there's the male mastermind and the female mastermind and they are both challenging me; CHALLENGE ACCEPTED as soon as I can beat my older brother"
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Distinguished-looking Bill Woodward was then the owner of a chain of hairdressing salons
You know, I wasn't that far off.
http://grouchymuffin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/goodfellas_134pyxurz.jpg
― pplains, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Monday, November 17, 2014 5:20 PM (Yesterday)
isn't othello just a total ripoff of GO tho? not to justify; I am probably staring too much into the fucked up marketer's abyss?
― never say goodbye before leaving chat room (Crabbits), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:24 (nine years ago) link
ok skooled by yahoo answers here
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080112054042AAeKRgP
― never say goodbye before leaving chat room (Crabbits), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:26 (nine years ago) link
mark s has some classic analysis of the various Mastermind boxes in this old thread - mastermind, the game
― who cares? the moon sucks. (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
"gypsy cab"?
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 24 November 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link
Good catch - apologies for using that phrase
― 龜, Monday, 24 November 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
Racism aside, I always thought it was pretty funny how they made a desperate attempt to sex up a game that is obviously quite dry.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 November 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
It worked cause you guys all remember it! I'd even seen that cover before.
― Nhex, Monday, 24 November 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
This is from a Danish childrens christmas show that is shown this year, a rerun from 17 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijPo8-zqoqQ
Sorta fits into the Black Pete discussion. It's also worth mentioning, that the confecture the children are dressed up as used to have a racist nickname. But apparantly, whether or not it is racist is actually up for debate in Denmark. Because, you know, all the - white - people in the clip are just having fun together.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
This is a very good essay: 'I Don't Know What To Do With Good White People'
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
im over a month late but re: the mastermind box, i too thought they were both examples of different kinds of masterminds that one might encounter
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 5 January 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
*hi-five*
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 5 January 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
http://www.kfvs12.com/story/28801129/officers-city-officials-resign-after-new-mayor-elected
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 19 April 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
Mayor Ramsey said the city's attorney, the clerk and the waste water treatment plant supervisor also turned in resignation letters citing "safety concerns."
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Sunday, 19 April 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link
working for a black woman apparently is unsafe in 2015 missouri. who knew?
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 19 April 2015 23:36 (eight years ago) link
Parma Police, a racist bunch of men
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 03:11 (eight years ago) link
I like the "they're not racist, they're a criminal conspiracy!" counter-narrative crawling out from under the usual white supremacist rocks. Here's a wacky idea: maybe both?
― Three Word Username, Monday, 20 April 2015 08:07 (eight years ago) link
For the past couple of weeks, one of my facebook friends (a high school buddy's spouse) has been posting up updates or comments like "they're not racist, they're just BAD POLICE. there are white police shooting black kids, black police shooting black kids, black police shooting white kids. why does everybody have to keep bringing race into this?" I've been biting my tongue pretty hard because she's my friends wife and like, I'm going to be charitable and imagine they are in disagreement about this already and hopefully having fights at home about it, but holy fuck.
― fish or click bait (how's life), Monday, 20 April 2015 09:24 (eight years ago) link
black black white white, what are you talking about RACE for?
― kinder, Monday, 20 April 2015 10:05 (eight years ago) link
a rainbow coalition of cops shooting people
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 20 April 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
There's a small part of me that enjoys the twist on the ol' "there are good black people and then there are n–…." except with cops now.
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
This cop is so good, I don't even really think of him as a cop
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 20 April 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link
Know something funny? One of my favorite tee-vee shows? NYPD Blue.
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
That neighborhood isn't bad, but it's a little blue if you know what I mean.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 20 April 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
Meant to post this earlier, but there's a housing development in the "rural" fringes of the LA area called Plantation on the Lake. I can just image the meeting when they were deciding on the name.
"What can we do to make this attract a, errrm, paler clientele?
http://plantationonthelake.com/
― nickn, Monday, 20 April 2015 17:22 (eight years ago) link
Guess which "tradition" the headline means:
http://www.knoxnews.com/knoxville/life/cinderella-moment-debutante-balls-strive-to-preserve-tradition-civility_76395622
While there is no application process — the Dogwood Ball is by invitation only — there are at least three criteria young women must meet to be considered: they must be sophomores in college and unmarried. They also must be white. Trent said she does not see a problem with the event being segregated.
“I think it’s beautiful that (the local AKA chapter) has started their own for their girls,” she says.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 20 April 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
There are lots and lots of Plantation subdivisions, most of them POAs, unsurprisingly.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Riverstone-Plantation-SubdivisionForsyth-County/107095289319155
http://www.plantationtampahoa.com/outside_home.asp
http://www.siennaplantation.com/
http://i.imgur.com/8B1rFat.jpg
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
I mean, yeah, talk about a word with a historically racist connotation, but on the other hand it's generic enough where I'll take it over anything named after Jefferson Davis or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest.
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
It seems like it would be less likely to be used in California, kind of startled me when I drove past the billboard.
― nickn, Monday, 20 April 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
the "rural" fringes of the LA area called Plantation on the Lake.
Good Lord, thought you meant Louisiana.
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
Makes more sense your way, I give you that.
― pplains, Monday, 20 April 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
me too, and I sadly kind of figured it was possible xp
― mh, Monday, 20 April 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
ignorance about the historic baggage of "plantation" vs.knowing about it and thinking plantations are a beautiful part of the antebellum south, shut your mouth about that slavery thing
― mh, Monday, 20 April 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
^^^ the exact conundrum that grosses me out so much about Lady Antebellum
― bernard snowy, Monday, 20 April 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
I always wonder if people are going to assume Louisiana when I type LA (and Canada when I type CA). I should get into the habit of being more explicit on national/international forums.
― nickn, Monday, 20 April 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
tbf I assumed Louisiana because I've been to a place that had "plantation" in the name there, but it seems uncommon for California
then again, the place in Louisiana was a former plantation that had slaves
― mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link
It's cool. I don't think anyone ever thought Randy Newman was singing about Bastrop.
Just seeing LA in context with plantation... No, la ciudad de los angeles was not my first thought.
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
I know, right?!?
― mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link
L.A. also means "Lower Arkansas" or this place:
http://i.imgur.com/99SiCqp.jpg
Locations I'd expect to find in the "Plantation Places" Jeopardy category much faster than I would expect Los Alamitios.
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
Although if you had followed my link you would have seen it was California (hee hee). I didn't want to call out Riverside county because it gets tarred with the "white trash" moniker too much. For locals, this is off the 10 between Redlands and Beaumont.
― nickn, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 04:50 (eight years ago) link
Also, I don't think I've ever seen anything called "plantation" out here, ever. It was a minor WTF moment for me.
― nickn, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 04:51 (eight years ago) link
I did follow the link but only looked at the images
― mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/IxQD1kp.gif
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:55 (eight years ago) link
http://www.eonline.com/news/683013/kelly-osbourne-to-donald-trump-if-you-kick-all-latinos-out-of-america-who-is-going-to-clean-your-toilets
― dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
makes u think
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
i mean, it doesn't seem exactly racist to point out that, in America, latinos aren't always offered especially fair employment opportunities, and they're often hired to do less glamorous jobs for people like Donald Trump?
― dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
people are treating this like Kelly Osbourne said that the only things Latinos can do are clean her toilets and buy her records
― dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
"i get what she meant" etc etc but c'mon, it's an insensitive and foolish thing to say when you're debating the issues on television"in America, latinos aren't always offered especially fair employment opportunities, and they're often hired to do less glamorous jobs for people like Donald Trump" is obvs different from "but who will clean your toilets"
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link
uh immigrants from countries not full of rapists, obviously, duh
― Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
I could be... Trump
― Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
I was planning on giving the toilet cleaning job at my estate to the person who flosses my teeth.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpx0USkDGWE
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 9 November 2015 22:16 (eight years ago) link
this didn't have to go here but
https://medium.com/@b4e2015/racists-probably-started-a-white-student-union-at-your-school-they-re-all-fake-5d1983a0b229#.sae7lbczm
students
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 23 November 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
Had to look a few times at the last few letters of that link
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Monday, 23 November 2015 23:34 (eight years ago) link
http://sfist.com/2015/12/17/stanley_roberts_again_calls_out_asi.php
― nomar, Thursday, 17 December 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link
the selling the food angle is pretty shitty
dunno why their ethnicity needs to be mentioned at all tho
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link
someone from Glide posted in the comments:
I'm a Glide member and have participated at the grocery bag giveaway...This is something we're aware happens and, essentially, we turn the other eye intentionally because...1) We ensure that everyone that comes on time (and many that come late) get groceries2) This happens but its small number of people, relative to the thousands that are helped3) Many elderly Asian households in SF are well below the poverty line and depend on food and financial assistance4) The line takes a significant amount of time to get through; if they are desperate enough to wind through it multiple times for the small amount of money they will make selling them piecemeal on the street. Well, we've provided help to them tooIn the end, its a small thing that we don't really see as an issue at all. No we are not going to stamp peoples hands and shame those that come back. Its a pitty that for many here, the faint whiff of injustice (and really, beating on the poor for doing what they can to get by?) creates this animosity towards the poor in general.For fucks sake, we helped 6,000 to have a chance to have a holiday meal. Focusing on that.
This is something we're aware happens and, essentially, we turn the other eye intentionally because...
1) We ensure that everyone that comes on time (and many that come late) get groceries2) This happens but its small number of people, relative to the thousands that are helped3) Many elderly Asian households in SF are well below the poverty line and depend on food and financial assistance4) The line takes a significant amount of time to get through; if they are desperate enough to wind through it multiple times for the small amount of money they will make selling them piecemeal on the street. Well, we've provided help to them too
In the end, its a small thing that we don't really see as an issue at all. No we are not going to stamp peoples hands and shame those that come back. Its a pitty that for many here, the faint whiff of injustice (and really, beating on the poor for doing what they can to get by?) creates this animosity towards the poor in general.
For fucks sake, we helped 6,000 to have a chance to have a holiday meal. Focusing on that.
― nomar, Thursday, 17 December 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
the headline is specifically about "Asian" sellers, the article mentions that "most" are Asian...gross imo
― nomar, Thursday, 17 December 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
yeah that's p fucked up
if Glide's okay w it then I don't care, really. I've volunteered there before, they are a great institution.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link
massive respect for the Glide member in the comments.
― Are you fondeling the computer. (stevie), Friday, 18 December 2015 09:36 (eight years ago) link
That entire story is disgusting.
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Friday, 18 December 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link
(To be clear, I am not talking about the people selling food.)
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Friday, 18 December 2015 14:05 (eight years ago) link
Ugggh the racist posts in that thread are basically how my school's entire community talks about Asian immigrants. Somehow the Russians, Ukranians, etc etc white Christian immigrants aren't "lowering property values" but Chinese-Americans are. It's a really toxic stew around here.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Friday, 18 December 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
A large department store-type property remains vacant for many years, until finally the Salvation Army rents it out. Now no businesses will occupy any of the other storefronts on that block or across from it because no one wants to be associated with people who shop at the Salvation Army (apparently not just suburban highschoolers and theater majors) or have them as customers. Churches with food pantries help only to their own congregation or those known to their congregations--they don't put signs up in public or seek to serve the general public. I walk into the school office and three people who work with children every day are complaining about Chinese immigrants, right in front of me, like it's perfectly normal. Eventually I'm going to need a way to wash my brain besides soaking it in wine.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Friday, 18 December 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
Have you considered making up business cards that say "shut the fuck up" and handing them out to these people?
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Friday, 18 December 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
I have to work with these people.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Friday, 18 December 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
Working here is like being a spy behind enemy lines basically. One wrong word and I'm kaput (or at least will have several months' worth of relationship repair work to do, as has already happened).
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Friday, 18 December 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
Have you considered drafting an anonymous friend to shadow these people and hand them "shut the fuck up" business cards?
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Friday, 18 December 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
I am interested and would like to subscribe to this newsletter.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Friday, 18 December 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
Gotta be some way to leverage that in the gig economy.
― how's life, Friday, 18 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
Shut The Fuck App
― how's life, Friday, 18 December 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
omg let's workshop this
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Friday, 18 December 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
"shaming these ladies, who are mostly of Asian descent," -- ah the classic "racial ascription subclause," now a unique grammatical feature of the english language.
(can't find the ", who is black" thread for some reason)
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 06:22 (eight years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-park-nazis-20160401-story.html
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 1 April 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Is this anti-semitism?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/04/20/nobody-at-snapchat-thought-using-a-blackface-bob-marley-filter-for-420-was-a-bad-idea/
― ulysses, Thursday, 21 April 2016 14:42 (seven years ago) link
Rolling 2016 Thread on Race
ps: yes, it is IMO racist
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 21 April 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link
you could write a pretty crazy book about all of the legal and commercial things that have gone on with the marley estate
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 21 April 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
Boris Johnson, a cunt
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Friday, 22 April 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
ah yes, the inheritable distaste for the UK
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 22 April 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
Johnson, Goldsmith and Cameron all going racist in the run up to the mayoral elections and EU referendum
― just her neck. thankig u in advance (stevie), Saturday, 23 April 2016 10:08 (seven years ago) link
going
― punnerist spoon here (onimo), Saturday, 23 April 2016 10:29 (seven years ago) link
Sir Lynton Keith Crosby, AO (born 23 August 1956)[1][2] is an Australian political strategist who has managed election campaigns for right-of-centre parties in several countries.[3] Crosby has been described as a "master of the dark political arts", "the Wizard of Oz", and "the Australian Karl Rove". In 2002, he was called "one of the most powerful and influential figures in the nation" by The Age.
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 April 2016 10:29 (seven years ago) link
well, yes, of course (xp)
― just her neck. thankig u in advance (stevie), Saturday, 23 April 2016 10:45 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoON0hvFCw
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
priceless reaction
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
belongs on the "rolling 'this is racist' thread" but anyway
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watch-former-trump-apprentice-stars-cringeworthy-and-racist-i-want-to-be-neenja-video/
I tapped out during the second full-vocal-yellowface verse, this is horrific
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 16 July 2016 17:08 (seven years ago) link
not even gonna
― Nhex, Saturday, 16 July 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nWxurwDF2tFnXLqt8OIj8FDBij0=/0x29:497x309/1310x737/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50144221/CnpBb8SUsAA772m.jpg
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
^ not loading for me?
― based stress reduction (crüt), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
Sorry here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2016/07/19/black-olives-matter-billboard-sparks-outrage-and-pizza-sales/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
not racist, arguably tone-deaf
― Best Beloved Trumppence (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
I think it's like +1 for creativity, -1,000 for taste and timing and tone-deafness.
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
Mmm, I'm gonna go with racist. I have a hard time believing someone was both aware enough of the phrase to consider using an altered version of it in their advertising and totally unaware of how it was likely to be perceived. I just don't think they expected it to become a national news story.
― Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Of course it's racist - or at least insensitive to race. If that crossed my desk at a firm I would veto it.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
I would say bad taste evincing what is likely underlying racism, if we can split it that finely. A pun on the name isn't *necessarily* racist but the kind of person who would think it was a good idea to use that slogan either (1) doesn't take BLM seriously, because they are racist or (2) is just kind of apathetic and doesn't treat anything with appropriate seriousness.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
"they" = person(s) who came up with the ad, tbc
broccoli isn't really all that anyway
― kinder, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:15 (seven years ago) link
they're not even real black olives, they're just crappy green olives covered in iron to make them look better.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 12:30 (seven years ago) link
^ topping truther
― Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 13:59 (seven years ago) link
once this person noticed the pun, they might not have had a choice in the matter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witzelsucht
― Treeship, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:07 (seven years ago) link
Thoughts? http://noisey.vice.com/en_au/read/the-frontman-for-gorilla-biscuits-said-something-dumb-about-all-lives-matter-and-a-lot-of-punks-are-pissed-off?utm_source=noiseyfbenglish
my gut is that he worded it very poorly, but in context he seemed to be saying "it is sad that the current state of affairs requires individuals to wear BLM t-shirts to remind us that they matter, because everybody of every race matters. don't let the media tell you that any one group doesn't matter".
I can see why it was interpreted the other way given the clumsy construction of the message but while intent often doesn't matter as much as message, I think Civ probably agreed with BLM at the core.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 8 August 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
maybe not racist in itself but a thing that right wingers like to say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dhho3JuK4
― remove butt (abanana), Monday, 8 August 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
every punk should know NO LIVES MATTER
http://s205501534.onlinehome.fr/IMAGES%20EBAY/RASTA%20HIPPIE%20LOVE%20AND%20PEACE/motif%20no%20future.jpg
― Ludo, Monday, 8 August 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Blank lives mutter
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
one of the librarians at our local library sent us home w/ a skippyjon jones book, the fuck is this?? it occured to later that those books were discussed itt a while back and this (mostly otm) post was linked https://soundstudiesblog.com/2014/05/05/speaking-mexican-and-the-use-of-mock-spanish-in-childrens-books-or-do-not-read-skippyjon-jones/
― marcos, Monday, 29 August 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
mucho fun
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, even wth *tera's assurances upthread, I've never liked reading them. We have quite a few from when my son went on a chihuahua kick at age 5 though. I try to avoid dragging them out for our younger kid if I can help it.
― how's life, Monday, 29 August 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
"We're going to make our country safe again. We're going to rebuild our inner cities because our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before. Ever, ever, ever."
what a dickhead!
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:06 (seven years ago) link
Trump perhaps?
― Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:08 (seven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-african-americans-cities-228439
bingo. is it more or less racist than his son and his skittles, i wonder
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/trump-son-compares-syrian-refugees-skittles-160920133852094.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:32 (seven years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/disney-pulls-offensive-moana-costume-off-the-shelves-1786938696
― how's life, Thursday, 22 September 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/pb9JUUi.png
trying to read up on opinions on this only brings up the EEOC complaint and right-wing OUTRAGE in reaction. is the flag synonymous with tea partiers and their more recent incarnations? is it a confederate flag cipher?
― just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it is necessarily racist, it has origins in the american revolution, and has been appropriated by tea partiers in recent years but i don't think it has been wholly co-opted
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
it has origins in the american revolution
Possible challop: I don't know how true this is but I have heard theories that the American Revolution was at least partially spurred on by the British making moves towards abolishing slavery, so I'm not sure if this flag originating in the American Revolution makes it not racist.
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
Facebook apparently has a particular way of translating "negro" from Spanish:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9tnngUcAAHh8Z.jpg
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
(to clarify, this is the status update of an African-American college friend of my wife's and the response from his Cuban wife; also I don't think I've laughed this hard in a while)
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
we just did some testing of the translation algorithm and apparently you can only get "negro" to translate as "nigga" if you are ending a question with it
let's ponder that for a moment (once you stop laughing)
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
but does it taste like pumpkin?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
David S. Negroes?
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link
this is horrifying and i can't stop giggling
― goole, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
A friend from Puerto Rico weighs in (I edited out a name and switched her incorrect reference to Google Translate to Facebook Translate):
The term "negro", as ______ was using it, is a term of endearment in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. We use "mi negro", "mi negra", "negrito", etc. So maybe Facebook translate might "know" that it is not supposed to translate it as "black", and it is translating it as something like "my nigga"? In any event, Bad Facebook Translate! Bad Facebook Translate!
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
"What Stones song did Dad like so much, was it
http://i.imgur.com/2WUEVeE.jpg?"
― pplains, Thursday, 24 November 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
well that's embarrassing, everyone knows the non-racist translation is "flex"
― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:22 (seven years ago) link
Richards describes the famous moment that the Rolling Stones first visited Chess: “We walked into Chess Studios and there’s this guy in black overalls painting the ceiling. And it’s Muddy Waters and he’s got whitewash streaming down his face and he’s on top of a ladder.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:32 (seven years ago) link
can we let texas secede already, and make puerto rico the 50th state?
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/texas-adoption-agencies-could-soon-ban-gays-jews-muslims-n756201
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 May 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
That is 100% horseshit.
― her squamous hamhocks (DJP), Monday, 8 May 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
https://apnews.com/9af89fea48254378846a459c5d0f412d/Florida-city-to-rename-streets-honoring-Confederate-generals
What the fucking fuck is wrong in America is what I'd like to know...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
Haven't you heard? The south refuses to understand its own history, largely because acknowledging how horrible it was (and is) would require them to let go of their false pride in The Lost Cause and their deep-seated sense of grievance over losing the civil war, and replace that with a powerful sense of shame. That, plus, there are still lots of unrepentant racists all over the place, not just the south.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
I originally misread that as the city trying to give confederate names to streets that don't currently have them which sadly seems totally plausible
― joygoat, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
http://reallifemag.com/what-was-the-nerd/
This article is really interesting.
I have had a working thesis for the past year-and-a-half that "all memes, not just overtly alt-right memes, feed into the proliferation of alt-right psychological thought patterns". That thought pattern, essentially, can be boiled down to this: “nobody will ever let go of the fantasy that they themselves are the most victimized"
Meme-sharing not only encourages ironic detachment, but in many cases, especially Dat Boi and Harambe, see usually-white usually-nerds accessorizing (and thus exerting authority over) edgy-but-not-quite-racist content.
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
In this same vein: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/digital-blackface-reaction-gifs
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
lmao that most of the examples in that story are Megan McCain
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
yeah, I noticed that too
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
wait, i meant
http://78.media.tumblr.com/2c56806c0ea9a954cecce710e08c7b4d/tumblr_o0ew01TjYm1rlafseo1_400.gif
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
Thought about that Teen Vogue piece a lot since reading, as someone who has posted GIFs featuring a black person's reaction (but where potentially part of the problem is also that I don't actually know who they are tho they're always figures of admiration - if that makes sense? I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein) a handful of times. Dammit I really love Smart Guy though :(
― nashwan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
What's the ILX verdict on whether or not this gif is racist?
https://imgur.com/GDU2xh8
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
I can see compelling arguments both for and against
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
that's a poorly formed gif
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
Ah, tone-deaf usage of AAVE gifs is the most easily identifiable "white gays are the worst" kind of racism
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
part of me would like to hear your argument for why it isn't racist but it's probably better if I don't chew directly through my cheek while suppressing rage
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
well, that answers my question!
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
Even more nuanced well-researched "well, AAVE and polare were borne out of the same cultural community so one can argue that the similarities between dragspeak and 'girl bye' belong equally to the black community and the gay white community" are still holey and reaching and dumb
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
I'm in no position to tell Meghan McCain how or what she can do obv but on behalf of some of my idiotic gay friends please let me apologize
wrt Harambe memes and Dat Boi tho, and the article I posted, it's more about nerds-accessorizing-vaguely-racist-stuff (as a corollary to 'nerds' feeling themselves like an Oppressed People who edge into that sweet spot of racist-enough-to-be-edgy-but-not-racist-enough-to-be-racist content) (WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?)...
...than it is white-women-and-white-gays-posting-Rihanna-gifs-because-they-feel-like-accessorizing-black-culture-somehow-brings-them-closer-to-the-community-that-the-economic-model-they-profit-off-of-isn't-built-upon-anti-blackness
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein
yeahhhh .... but .... idk, a lot of the time when I see them used by white people, I think of racially insensitive halloween costumes. It's dressing up as a person that has been historically (and is still) oppressed by your people. It makes me uncomfortable.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
blackface reaction gifs are so utterly ughhhh, especially when used by white folks. However, a group text I’m involved in frequently deployed drag performer reaction gifs, and that *also* bums me out, even though two of the members of the group text identify as trans and drag performers themselves. Sometimes they don’t bother me, though. On the occasions they DON’T bother me, it’s usually because source is a general pop-cultural reference -as opposed to, like, a meme or a particularly humiliating loop from Top Model
― rb (soda), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
it's "positive" in the sense that white people perceive (or project) some quality in blackness that they want to momentarily have for themselves and then discard again. It's not directly mocking black people in a cruel way but it's still using them as a mask. I mean, this is kind of pervasive, so it's hard to disentangle what's "problematic" from what's not sometimes -- isn't a lot of white hip-hop fandom partly about projecting a fantasy onto black people/using black people to live out desires one doesn't otherwise want to express?
I mean I generally feel grossed out by those reaction gifs but I'm just trying to examine the deeper phenomenon they represent.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
fgti has been reaching some level of internet consciousness that is going to be increasingly out of sync with the binary thinking the internet encourages
― "the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
wrt Harambe memes and Dat Boi tho, and the article I posted, it's more about nerds-accessorizing-vaguely-racist-stuff (as a corollary to 'nerds' feeling themselves like an Oppressed People who edge into that sweet spot of racist-enough-to-be-edgy-but-not-racist-enough-to-be-racist content) (WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?)......than it is white-women-and-white-gays-posting-Rihanna-gifs-because-they-feel-like-accessorizing-black-culture-somehow-brings-them-closer-to-the-community-that-the-economic-model-they-profit-off-of-isn't-built-upon-anti-blackness
I think the article you posted has some very good analysis and insights mixed in with some glaring overreach and assumptions that muddy the argument. In particular, holding up Animal House as an ur-propaganda piece misses its genesis as the synthesis of the writers' experiences as frat members at Dartmouth/final club members at Harvard; due to the privilege circle in which they were operating, the archetypes at play when they put together the movie read very differently than when broadcast out into the wider culture and I think the interpretation of intent put forward by the piece is distorted as a result. (I wouldn't argue against the conclusion re: that movie's affect on the wider culture but it's also worth pointing out that the handling of race is about 500 times more sophisticated than the examples put forward in Sixteen Candles and Weird Science.)
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
I wouldn’t use either, but IME there’s a difference between posting a picture that silly fake fro The Rock wore in “Central Intelligence” and a reddit meme of, like, a grinning hobo with wheat stuck in hair.
― rb (soda), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
Ooh, the reaction gif thing has always bothered me. Solution: white ppl should be limited to Seinfeld reaction gifs only.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
*Seinfeld bass*
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
@ soda and man alive, I'll say it again: white gays (and white women) use those reaction gifs, as drag performers use the language, in order to accessorize black culture, as an attempt to bring these white people closer in proximity, culturally, to a community that they profit off of, economically.
My bff Prof. Muhly is always using "my hair is layed out like Jessye Norman" on his blog updates and it really doesn't work for me and I've told him so
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
@ DJP yeah, I was waiting for the article to leave the frame of John Hughes movies and get into 90s and 00s nerddom, but not today I guess
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?
oh man, that thread :/
it is totally derived from Engrish, but because it's a dog, and not a person it's abstracted a bit from basic "Supplies!" yellowface, and it's more palatable. Also, cute dog.
It's kinda like instead of "sassy black woman" reaction gif, someone posted this (sorry WGW)
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/96/35/8a/96358a7ced999ede3d5e6998f7feb6ff--happy-birthday-mom-animal-kingdom.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
That might explain why it seemed like it was so prevalent among democratic party surrogates.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
and of course, there is this:
https://i.imgflip.com/e23l9.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
Some of these things also have a way of melting into the cultural landscape so we forget their origins, e.g. "Bitch, please" when not expressly tied to a black woman. Nowadays when I listen to 70s rock music for example, I'm almost shocked at how much quasi-blackface there seems to be in it. But listening to it growing up, I had no idea what the origins were, I just thought that was "rock n roll."
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
@ sarahell I think my heart just stopped, I can't think about this any more
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
So I referred to it as 'smart guy' meme above but you google that and among the top results are https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/92444781/Thinking-black-guy or https://memegenerator.net/Thinking-Black-Guy and ugh is there no escape.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
idk if I was looking for that particular meme I'd type in "thinking black guy"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
In recent months, Mr. Trump has used closed-door conversations to question the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. He has also repeatedly claimed that he lost the popular vote last year because of widespread voter fraud, according to advisers and lawmakers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/us/politics/trump-access-hollywood-tape.html?_r=0
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 03:02 (six years ago) link
it's like damien thorn is the US budget director
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=C23C3PqVgR0
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
"in a perfect world we wouldn't need poverty programs" amazing
what's on mulvaney's forehead?
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
It's Ash Wednesday
― I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
ah
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:32 (six years ago) link
because helping people who need help is what leads to.. people needing more help? of course!
― Nhex, Thursday, 15 February 2018 05:21 (six years ago) link
white house statements that read like onion headlines
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/need-know-violent-animals-ms-13/
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
Too many innocent Americans have fallen victim to the unthinkable violence of MS-13’s animals.
Oh ferchrissakes! What about dozens of innocent victims who are wedding guests in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and other places, who keep getting violently blown to bits by the heinous animals at the US Department of Defense, who use drone-fired missiles to kill, maim and spread terror?
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
That's a White House statement? Sadly it's far too late to say, good luck, USA.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
Made me go wtf. It'd been a while.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
well, those folks are brown
the folks in ms-13 are brown
you can probably join the dots yrself from there
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
calling 'some people' "animals" is fine. but don't you dare call real americans "deplorable"!
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 21 May 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
good job whitehouse now do one for "shithole" countries
― frogbs, Monday, 21 May 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
https://patch.com/new-jersey/cherryhill/cherry-hill-east-principal-apologizes-insensitive-prom-ticket?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=blasts&utm_content=national
― how's life, Monday, 21 May 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
NEW: mugshot of the man accused of walking into Boulevard Mall with a fake gun. Emile Daren Hobson has been charged with committing an act of terrorism. @FOX5Vegas pic.twitter.com/QG30Crnw4i— Tiana Bohner (@FOX5_Tiana) May 18, 2018
wow bad news for the white girl who was walking around Kent State with a rifle
― frogbs, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=blasts&utm_content=nationalfacebook.com social campaign blasts national - probably racist
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
the barrier is Barack Obama, who radicalized the party with his pessimism, who reminded us of past sins, who told Americans they should feel ashamed of themselves
https://nypost.com/2018/07/09/its-not-bernie-whos-holding-the-democrats-back-its-obama/
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
and then fulfilled by Trump, who has radicalized our pessimism, committed himself to past sins, and made Americans feel ashamed of ourselves
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
no, really
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/charlottes-city-council-votes-to-accept-contracts-to-host-rnc-in-2020/275-574409498
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
BAD OPTICS
https://secondnexus.com/news/trump-administration-not-assist-obama/
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
I keep getting called "bro", "broski", or some other variation of the term, by black guys. It feels like I'm being made fun of for being a generic white doucher. Which tbh is how I present but anyway. I'm getting through it.
― rip van wanko, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
sounds like a scene from Blindspotting
― Nhex, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
i think you are overreacting
i wouldn't worry until you get called 'brian scalabrine'
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
I keep getting called "bro", "broski", or some other variation of the term
Are you Polish?
― pplains, Friday, 3 August 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
Does “spook” have several meanings or nah? Bc I use “spook” the way we might refer to our resident ILX user’s profession but also I have heard it used against POC so help me out here. Is it one of those things where we need to phase it out bc it’s too close for comfort or is it context specific thank you
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:35 (five years ago) link
You can’t go wrong not using words that can be confused for being kinda racist even if they aren’t necessarily so.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:41 (five years ago) link
The Human Stain to thread
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:51 (five years ago) link
right obv but also I’m just asking more broadly
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:52 (five years ago) link
I think it’s context specific but also understand why the BBC renamed the show to “MI5” when they brought it over here
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:54 (five years ago) link
A spy is sometimes called a spook because their profession requires them to adopt a certain invisibility. Black people have been called spooks because, supposedly, being black makes them invisible in the dark and this was considered a humorous idea by racists. No black person should be called a spook under any circumstances, but one can usually pick out the intended idea easily enough from the context.
This seems a bit like the controversy over using the word niggardly to describe a cheapskate.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
I think it can be useful in describing a spy working within a specific context... but you want to be sure it can't be confused with the epithet which is dated but still offensive xxp
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
Also I am tempering two pop culture references,
One is back to the future which is obv derogatory and,
A Bloom County cartoon where Steve Dallas is dancing like Michael Jackson and he’s internally monologue-ing about whether he’s working for the feds or not
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
Niggardly is so obviously antiquated and trolly that is should be retired.
Also sort of related I did a deep dive on “shyster” and it’s historically more about “sheiesse” but it’s veering so close to “Shylock” that it falls in the same not-ok place
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 05:00 (five years ago) link
Anyway thank u all for this frank and honest discussion
There are so many racist epithets that I've never heard of and only learned about in mid-adulthood. Cf someone I'm normally friendly with unselfconsciously using the word "Shylock" in a phone convo while I was standing right there.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:47 (five years ago) link
I'd been thinking that it might not be a bad idea to have a thread for words whose racist/xenophobic origins you were not previously aware (cue the story about that one time when I was a kid and had the misfortune of learning what a particular Devo song title meant only after I'd walked through a room singing it while my mom's friend (whose son has Down Syndrome) was visiting).
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:55 (five years ago) link
No I think that's probably not a good idea.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link
I predict the existence of the thread would prompt a lot of posts that will basically be micro-/aggressions to readers. I regret my anecdotal post above already, because I felt really shocked and bad when it happened and it wasn't even about me. I don't want that experience to continue to hurt others on the internet.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
Hmm. I'm just thinking about that thing where hateful speech is so seamlessly absorbed into our culture and seemingly defanged with time and distance that it becomes very easy to thoughtlessly use words and phrases that seem completely innocuous but which have sinister origins. Like I only just learned about 'peanut gallery'.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:14 (five years ago) link
What exactly did you just learn?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:24 (five years ago) link
Originally a derogatory reference to unwanted commentary from African Americans relegated to the cheap seats.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
You should probably go unlearn that.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link
If you have some information to share...
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
just had to look up if "Blockhead" had any meaning I was previously unaware of
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link
xp The cheapest seats in vaudeville theatres (IE the highest) were also the ones that saw the most consumption of peanuts, the cheapest of the snack foods. Which also made them more likely to heckle by throwing them.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
Right, I get that. But also: who do you imagine the holders of the cheapest seats were during the heyday of vaudeville?
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:58 (five years ago) link
I imagine that a significant percentage were African American, but I'm not sure that's how this works, unless you're claiming that all class-based insults are inherently racist?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
I think the suggestion is that all the theaters were segregated and that a whites-only theater had a peanut gallery too? eg we are aaalllllll classist
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
i don't know how reputable this site is but it seemed fairly well written and researched (which suggests it's not racial)http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
not a long history of racist insults in charlie brown. "dennis the menace", otoh...
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
Not only are there untold numbers of racist epithets out there, both current and half-forgotten, but there are also untold numbers of folk etymologies that misidentify the origins of words. So any thread devoted to delving into the racist origins of certain words or phrases is bound to contain about equal amounts of information and misinformation. Let's drop the idea.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
^ yeah bad folk etymologies are a menace
― faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
In lieu of further discussion here, can anyone recommend a book/books on the subject?
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
just had to look up if "Blockhead" had any meaning I was previously unaware of― frogbsnot a long history of racist insults in charlie brown. "dennis the menace", otoh...
― coetzee.cx (wins), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
spooks and ghosts
― pplains, Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
another questionable one - getting "the itis"
one time i let "niggardly" slip in conversation and felt really bad about it afterwards
― Nhex, Thursday, 6 September 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/kimberley-strassel-mueller-may-have-trump-in-his-sights-but-hes-been-very-good-to-obama-and-his-team
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
This might not be the right thread to bring this up in (so many racism threads...), but I find this developing story of bigoted ass showing interesting.
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/franci-neely-appears-in-viral-video-yelling-at-a-family-taking-birthday-pictures-11228931
It's been bouncing around local social media this week. The person in question was initially thought to be some rich rando, but as the linked story reveals, this person is actually a pretty major Houston socialite, somebody who's on a load of Charity honor roles and has, like, buildings and shit named after them.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:11 (five years ago) link
Are you really wondering if that was racist?
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 22 February 2019 01:41 (five years ago) link
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/NINTCHDBPICT000481760748.jpg?w=960
WHAT THE DUCK? Waitrose axes ‘racist’ chocolate Easter ducklings after customers complain dark brown figure is labelled ‘ugly’The Trio of Easter Ducklings were temporarily pulled from shelves while new labelling was put on packagingWAITROSE has apologised over a "racist" Easter duckling product after customers complained the dark chocolate one was labelled "ugly".The £8 box set of white, milk and dark chocolate ducklings upset some people for being marked "fluffy", "crispy" and "ugly".It was temporarily pulled from shelves by the high-end supermarket so the packaging could be redesigned after a "small number" of customers were offended.The Waitrose Trio of Chocolate Easter Ducklings are now available to buy again in shops and online.Although not made explicitly clear by supermarket bosses, it's thought that the name "ugly" may have been chosen as a reference to the classic fairy tale song The Ugly Duckling by Hans Christian Andersen.The song is about a "stubby and brown" duckling which is mocked and shamed by other ducklings, but grows into a beautiful white swan.One Twitter user shared a picture of the chocolate product and wrote: "Crispy, Fluffy and Ugly - trio of Easter ducklings at Waitrose."Ugly is the dark one on the right."Overheard women saying 'this is not right', I agree, doesn't look good at all."Thousands of other options... Why ugly?"A Waitrose spokesperson said: "We are sorry for any upset caused by the name of this product, it was absolutely not our intention to cause any offence."We removed the product from sale several weeks ago while we changed the labelling and our ducklings are now back on sale."
The Trio of Easter Ducklings were temporarily pulled from shelves while new labelling was put on packaging
WAITROSE has apologised over a "racist" Easter duckling product after customers complained the dark chocolate one was labelled "ugly".
The £8 box set of white, milk and dark chocolate ducklings upset some people for being marked "fluffy", "crispy" and "ugly".
It was temporarily pulled from shelves by the high-end supermarket so the packaging could be redesigned after a "small number" of customers were offended.
The Waitrose Trio of Chocolate Easter Ducklings are now available to buy again in shops and online.
Although not made explicitly clear by supermarket bosses, it's thought that the name "ugly" may have been chosen as a reference to the classic fairy tale song The Ugly Duckling by Hans Christian Andersen.
The song is about a "stubby and brown" duckling which is mocked and shamed by other ducklings, but grows into a beautiful white swan.
One Twitter user shared a picture of the chocolate product and wrote: "Crispy, Fluffy and Ugly - trio of Easter ducklings at Waitrose.
"Ugly is the dark one on the right.
"Overheard women saying 'this is not right', I agree, doesn't look good at all.
"Thousands of other options... Why ugly?"
A Waitrose spokesperson said: "We are sorry for any upset caused by the name of this product, it was absolutely not our intention to cause any offence.
"We removed the product from sale several weeks ago while we changed the labelling and our ducklings are now back on sale."
― sexual consent... on the blockchain (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
Isn't the whole point of Andersen's tale – the reference is abundantly clear – that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
A bird by its plumage, rather. Wouldn't want this to get too self-reflexive.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
Crispy duckling?
― jmm, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
I need a ruling on this one:
https://i.imgur.com/INoxIHk.jpg
First time I heard this "play on words" was 30 years ago from one of my dad's friends. It was the punchline to a racist joke about a black man who dropped his wheel of cheese down the side of the hill, whereupon my dad's friend picked it up and carried it home.
I haven't heard that joke told again since 1989.
BUT I have heard plenty of well-meaning folks make the same pun since then. It's always made me a little uncomfortable, since I remember hearing that joke, but also because it's a "play on words" revolving around a supposed African American dialect. However, I see the pun made so often, I'm starting to wonder if this is just me. Kinda like how I grew up thinking the word "fart" was a profanity, but now you just about hear it said in Disney movies.
― pplains, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
When I was a child, everyone who told me this joke used a Mexican boy as the character who dropped the cheese. 🤔
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
(IOW, it's not just you)
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
Having never heard the joke in spoken form, it took me a while to figure it out. But I did. It's racist.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
I saw an ad for Subway yesterday where the slogan was iirc "NACHO AVERAGE SANDWICH" and am kind of amazed that a whole marketing team and whoever else thought that works as a collection of words you see for a few seconds at a time in the street
― Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
puns don't really work that way
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
I don't get the 'speed zone' thing
― kinder, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
A pun on Minecraft creator Markus "Notch" Persson
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
especially since a 'speed zone' invariably denotes a lower speed limit and that is exactly what the ad is supposed to be promoting.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
I'm hungry for a big plate of notyo's
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
hmm... this one's iffy.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link
See the irony here for me is that the joke's never been about Hispanics.
― pplains, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
Machismo = excessive manliness
Machismo = excessive cheesiness
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
Nachismo, gah
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:07 (four years ago) link
Nachismo = excessive racialness
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link
btw, don't do this to nachos you guys.
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link
personally i wouldna chose to
― he once took my hand and poked Neil Armstrong in the butt (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link
You know what I'm taco about.
― pplains, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link
i guess the question here is can a bad pun overcome its historically racialized context once that context becomes, uh, highly attenuated
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
Somebody's response to an advert for an upcoming Africa day being 'when is Ireland Day' & not liking being told March 17th.Going on to say it's a religious day when I thought it was a widespread commercial event across most of the globe.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
ireland is my favorite continent
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
(xp) Celebrating a Welshman, of course.
― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
I think I first heard the nacho/not-your thing on Seinfeld when Elaine said it. I didn't think of it as a dialect joke.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link
yeah I’ve never heard it framed as a dialect thing. it was always just a regular old pun.
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
There is a restaurant in Baltimore called Nacho Mamas. I had never heard the joke.
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link
is the idiom (?) of ‘not wanting to be thrown in the briar patch’ racist?
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 April 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
how long has the circle/OK hand gesture been a white power thing? i had not heard of it before the kavanaugh hearings
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
It’s stupid as hell. I use that emoji when I wanna use it bc they don’t own it.
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
https://medium.com/s/story/does-the-ok-sign-actually-signify-white-power-or-what-6cf3309df985
― pomenitul, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
the reason they do it is to make libs look like morons
― Mordy, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
I seem to recall an article months back arguing that point
― call me cismale (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
To quote that article I linked to, re: Zina Bash:
Instead of acknowledging her *actual* politics—working for possibly the most overtly racist administration since Americans literally owned other Americans—leftists, liberals, and centrists got caught up in a circle jerk about whether a hand sign that members of the far right have been using to troll us since at least 2015 has any significance.
― pomenitul, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
libs are perfectly capable of making themselves look like morons, stfu white power dipshits
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
Pareene had a great piece the other day about how the youths immediately recognize this shit for what it is because unlike respectable adult media they're not busy dousing everything in gallons of smarm. it's almost always very clear when people are doing shit like this to demonstrate solidarity with racists.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
it sucks because there's also the age-old "circle game" which we did when we were kids and now you got conservative media screaming "oh now the circle game is RACIST?? I told you they were nuts!!"
― frogbs, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
^yeah
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/af7LWpb.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
I mean, it's a pacifier.
https://i.imgur.com/3FB3fA4.jpg
But...
http://www.startribune.com/iowa-home-with-confederate-nazi-displays-gets-vandalized/566243672/
Only person that's supposed to judge me is the Lord." Yeah, no, I can judge you too, and I judge you to be a racist moron.
― A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Monday, 16 December 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
Stark said he had already sold the painting of a flag with a swastika. He said he displayed it in his front yard because the buyer dared him to do it.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 16 December 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link
Art can be powerful, but we strongly disagree with the use of monkeys as images in the fight against racism and were surprised by the total lack of consultation. @SerieA_EN pic.twitter.com/M7wFjhsfj2— AC Milan (@acmilan) December 17, 2019
Yet another facepalm moment of fighting racism in Italy.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
I do not understand what is happening there as my first reaction to the picture was "is this a Planet of the Apes throwback" and not anything to do with fighting racism
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
The Italian football association thought it wise to use a monkey image in different kit colors to send out the message that they are against racism aimed at black players (which is rife in Italian football and way, way out of control recently, w/ bananas thrown on the pitch, monkey sounds chanted at players etc).
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
At my most lenient I understand it as an odd twist on the "doesn't matter if you're black or white or purple etc" argument. But using monkeys to send out the message you don't want black players to be compared to monkeys? Because monkeys can, apparently, be all colours? Idk man...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
Okay, omglolwtfsob
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
every part of this story is upsetting
A Black Man Had The Cops Called On Him At A Bank While Trying To Deposit A Racial Discrimination Settlement Check https://t.co/E2hJ5erDMk via @juliareinstein— julia reinstein 🚡 (@juliareinstein) January 23, 2020
― chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 January 2020 11:32 (four years ago) link
I think we can safely say "yes, that is racist" here.
― Okay, you're an ambulance (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 January 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
yeah i think i'm okay with that tbh
― chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 January 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link
TCF sucks.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 24 January 2020 14:49 (four years ago) link
jesus fucking christ
"we could not verify that these checks were valid""o rly, then how come Chase was able to deposit them with no issues""... the employee working with him is black, that counts in our favor right"
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
I am over here literally affronted over the deployment of the "we have black employees" defense
I want to flood their email with pictures of Candace Owens
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
he literally got them on the phone with his attorney, with the police present, and the bank is like "Maybe that's not really your lawyer."
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
Good on him for closing his account
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
Also, and it feels odd to say this, but good on the police for not escalating this the way that the bank clearly wanted them to (I am assuming that since dude walked out with his checks, they didn't overly hassle him)
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:29 (four years ago) link
A lot of the Detroit area people I know use "Livonia" as shorthand for all the super-racist white flight suburbs as it borders Detroit but is 92% white. I've heard anecdotes about the city trying to enforce residency requirements to use city parks and that at some point the police used the code "NIL" to justify pulling over any black motorists.
― joygoat, Friday, 24 January 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
"N***** In Livonia," I assume?
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
Indeed
― joygoat, Friday, 24 January 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
I've heard anecdotes about the city trying to enforce residency requirements to use city parks
they do this in the Philly suburbs too
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
cruel but fair
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link
Extra shitty/inept that the bank spokesperson stated the amounts of the checks and I saw in another article they stated the amount he had in an existing account.
― Yerac, Friday, 24 January 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/us/ball-state-university-police-seat-change-trnd/index.html
When Sultan Benson, a senior at Ball State University in Indiana, arrived at his Marketing 310 class on Tuesday, his usual seat was taken. His professor, Shaheen Borna, suggested he move to an empty seat toward the back, which he did, Benson told CNN.But about a half hour into the class, another student left and Borna asked Benson to move up. But Benson was already settled. He'd unpacked his stuff, and his laptop was already out and charging.When Benson asked why he had to move, the situation escalated."Either move your seat or I call the police," Benson recalled Borna saying."Are you really about to call the police?" Benson said he asked at the time.The answer was yes.
But about a half hour into the class, another student left and Borna asked Benson to move up. But Benson was already settled. He'd unpacked his stuff, and his laptop was already out and charging.
When Benson asked why he had to move, the situation escalated.
"Either move your seat or I call the police," Benson recalled Borna saying.
"Are you really about to call the police?" Benson said he asked at the time.
The answer was yes.
― j., Monday, 27 January 2020 09:33 (four years ago) link
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
Christ what an asshole
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 27 January 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
https://hyperallergic.com/541260/diversity-initiative-canceled
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 February 2020 03:49 (four years ago) link
the advertising ploy, which reimagined literary figures from Peter Pan to Frankenstein’s monster as people of color...
Ok, you can just stop right there.
― pplains, Saturday, 8 February 2020 04:07 (four years ago) link
You knew it would be involved somehow
Collaborating with the advertising agency TBWA\Chiat\Day New York on the project, the two companies say they used an artificial intelligence (AI) program to “scour the pages of 100 classic literature books that portrayed white characters on the cover and revealed several books in which the protagonist’s race was never specified, only assumed.”
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 8 February 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/z5VprLK.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link
lol, whoops
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/may/11/you-should-ask-china-trump-terminates-press-conference-after-clash-with-reporter-video
Donald Trump's press conference on coronavirus testing ended abruptly after a terse exchange with two female reporters. Asked by CBS's Weijia Jiang about his focus on international comparisons rather than US deaths, Trump snapped: 'Don’t ask me, ask China that question'. After being asked by Jiang, who is Asian-American, why he had directed the remark at her, Trump cut off the CNN reporter Kaitlan Collins as she asked a question and walked away from the podium
― pomenitul, Monday, 11 May 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link
How can any of us truly know if the president has racism in his heart?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 00:51 (three years ago) link
did we not update this last month when he accused Yamiche Alcindor of being "threatening"? because he was certainly racist then, as he is all the time, and I haven't even gotten into this new thing yet.
I watch the PBS NewsHour every night, and because it's the most boring, most level-headed news show on TV I rarely ever experience any sort of human emotion while watching it. But the night after that press briefing in the rose garden when he called Yamiche "threatening," when Judy Woodruff told her on-air that she's an excellent journalist and they're all really proud of her, and Yamiche took the compliment like a pro and was all "wow, thank you" and then kept going with her report and not showing signs of being choked up about it until about twenty seconds later when she pretty obviously started processing Judy's pretty sweet public acknowledgement of her professionalism and drive while being insulted by the fucking President, that a did a little thing to me. she's always kinda nervous and awkward in the way that any determined young reporter would/should be and I couldn't fucking believe it when Don went full-on asshole to her.
Yeah, he has racism in his heart. I can honestly say I have no doubt about it whatsoever.
― the burrito that defined a generation, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
Christ what a racist asshole
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
he has racism in his heart and in his asshole
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
But has he tested positive for racism? A lot of armchair doctors around here.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 02:24 (three years ago) link
thread of what is racism and is donald trump a racist
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 02:29 (three years ago) link
Hmm. Wonder if we can work this one out before we hit 10,000 posts.
― pplains, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
be nice. didn't they tell you do that at the last newspaper you worked at that you don't work at any more probably because they fired you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q7vxFSnILY
― the burrito that defined a generation, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link
https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/18/citing-concern-for-indigenous-people-duluth-moving-to-drop-chief-from-city-job-titles/
When asked to explain the misgivings people have regarding the use of the term “chief,” Larson responded: “It is language that is offensive to people who are indigenous and actually offensive to a lot of people, especially when there is other language available.”
― j., Friday, 19 June 2020 04:05 (three years ago) link
That’s, uh, well, I guess you have to start somewhere.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 19 June 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
Similarly, we are removing potentially problematic words from our work (software development). So out go whitelist and blacklist.
But i wonder about 'master' when talking about source control. Is that from master/slave or from master as in the master copy of something and is that second related to the first or does it have a different etymology?
― koogs, Friday, 19 June 2020 04:25 (three years ago) link
(we're changing it anyway, it's easy enough in github)
― koogs, Friday, 19 June 2020 04:26 (three years ago) link
theres lots of problematic shit in computer/electronic lingo. master/slave, male/female to describe inserts/outlets
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Friday, 19 June 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
Answering my own question with a single Google search: https://www.etymonline.com/word/master
Same root, Latin magister meaning more than.
― koogs, Friday, 19 June 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link
This'll be filler time material for Hannity or Carson, I'm sure.
― Nhex, Friday, 19 June 2020 04:33 (three years ago) link
Someone also linked to a Google pdf suggesting dropping phrases like 'sanity check'. I'd just be happy if the one guy in our team would stop calling things retarded.
― koogs, Friday, 19 June 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link
when i did tech support i was instructed to call master/slave drives "primary drives" and "secondary drives"
― wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 19 June 2020 07:51 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/K2uFc7Z.jpg
― Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 19 June 2020 09:49 (three years ago) link
Customer access will function identically as before the changes, but look for the term "Journalytics" in place of "whitelist" and "Predatory Reports" in place of "blacklist."
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link
journawhatics??
― j., Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
many bellyfeels itt
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/user-928786241/roddy-ricch-the-box-indian-version
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
A photo-realistic tattoo of a bowl of ramen and a bottle of Sapporo on a white guy—is this racist? My wife says yes, and I disagreed until I realized that my deep love of good ramen might be affecting my judgement
― Dan I., Tuesday, 14 July 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link
I think getting tattoos of things you love shouldn’t be racist even when appropriation is involved? I’m probably missing something too.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
What if you really love soccer and bottle openers
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 04:40 (three years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 04:47 (three years ago) link
I mean, I've seen so many bad tattoos of Eminem on white shins, I'd really hate to see some of the Tupac ones.
― pplains, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link
OK, this one's pretty good.https://i.imgur.com/9J1xtoC.jpg
Not sure if this is really Tupac, but survives the "ITR?" test.https://i.imgur.com/0bHW56v.jpg
All right. Just gonna stop here before I go any deeper.https://i.imgur.com/JJKd90Q.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link
first tupac tat kinda looks like a lady til you get to the mustache.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link
https://bklyner.com/students-at-brooklyn-middle-school-sent-home-with-insensitive-problem
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
That's not only gross and insensitive but completely misunderstands what the 3/5 compromise was
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
or at least it's worded in a way that could leave you with the impression that black people got *some* representation through it, when in fact all it did was give southern whites disproportionate power, arguably worse for black people than if they had not been "counted" at all.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
Question written by a black woman btw
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
it was certainly worse than if they had not been counted. their oppressors were "representing" them.
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
but yeah, not a good math problem.
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
xp hmm -- maybe written with a sense of irony then?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
Exactly. But it's true that this whole thing is often presented as "the racists thought Black people were only worth 3/5 of a white person" when in fact it was the racists who were arguing for pardon-the-expression "equality" here; if each Black person "counts" for representation but isn't allowed to vote, that is a huge boon to the white people "representing" the people they're oppressing
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
The problem was created by a mentor teacher – not affiliated with Achievement First–who modified the original problem about groceries to teach about the history and inhumanity of the three-fifths compromise.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
lmao liberals trying to indoctrinate our children and teach them america is racist, and aren't they the ones telling us we need to "amplify" black voices ? but of course as soon as a black woman tells an uncomfortable truth about a fundamental historical fact (liberals aren't actually interested in history, just anti-white propaganda), it becomes "insensitive" and right on cue, the typical snowflake outrage. really tells you who the real racists are here.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
— tucker carlson, probably
There is literally nothing wrong with this math problem aside from casting it as a hypothetical.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
if this was your first introduction to the 3/5 compromise, then I'd say it is not an ideal vehicle for informing people about that history, but otherwise yeah
― rob, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
the thing is that all math problems are hypothetical. and they are almost always presented as trivial scenarios, precisely because the goal is to isolate a specific mathematical operation without the influence of personal bias or ethics. we hope to teach children to wrap their heads around a given concept before they go on to apply them in e.g. physics, psychology, or moral philosophy.
i think it goes without saying that when we teach kids about the history of slavery in the united states, it absolutely matters how the facts are presented, i.e. what information is emphasized and the broader ethical context that educators use to frame the circumstances and of course to link ugly historical truths to the present. the reason people find this insensitive is that the language of middle school mathematics is inherently incapable of performing these tasks.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
It's a controversial question, certainly. It's also very clear on expressing the mathematical principle meant to be exercised. I do think changing it out of the blue without any context or tie into subject matter from a concurrent history class is weird but I also think the teacher changed it to provoke this exact conversation about the Constitution and how racism was embedded within the founding documentation of this country. I don't think the teacher was trying to put students in their place or hinder their learning and I have zero problem with issues from one academic discipline informing presentation of another, regardless of the age of the student.
I think you can call this clumsy overreach but I don't think there's any reasonable metric by which you can call it racist; was she lying about what was in the Constitution or how slaves were accounted for in calculating population figures for representation.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
i could see how one might make the argument: "middle school history curricula already teach this subject but have seemingly failed to highlight its deeply dehumanizing aspect in a way that transposing it into a math problem has done"
but i think that ultimately the three-fifths compromise is an example of racist violence, an explicit acknowledgement and codification of chattel slavery, and as such needs to be treated with more tact and more nuance than a math problem like this can provide, regardless of whatever beneficial conversations about racism in american history this outrage might have provoked.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link
I guess, personally, I find it an incredibly callous question. I don't generally advocate for trigger warnings, but in this case... 'surprise! we're talking about historical dehumanization in a one-off math problem you're doing for homework during Covid-summer!' would be mega-upsetting for most of my students, irrespective of backgrounds/experience/racial identity. And I don't think it would be a constructive kind of upsetting that would lead to empathy. I can definitely see an argument for using the problem in a well-managed classroom as part of a larger, mediated discussion on race and historical trauma... or as a connection to interdisciplinary themes, when in-person processing is available. But sending this into the question-mark of home for kids who are already struggling with enormous psychological stress of 2020 is dicey. It strikes me as likely to activate stereotype threat through stress arousal, and especially for children who are doing good-ol' adolescent soul-searching regarding their own cultural/racial identities. Not sure they're perfect parallels, but I think I'd respond to with similar frustration to math problems about (say) alcohol abuse, the Holocaust, wage gap or the impact of broken land treaties by the US government.
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link
I agree it's a callous question, intentionally so. I also agree that this would have made a lot more sense as part of an interdisciplinary package of materials rather than one teacher slinging truth bombs.
I don't think it's racist to point out how shitty this country is on race.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link
This is, after all, the rolling "Is this racist?" thread and my opinion is that this is not racist but also not at all well thought out re: implementation.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
For sure. On the reg, in progressive educator circles, I end up in “is it racist or is it just shitty and also about race” conversations. An unfortunately fertile area.
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
otm again
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link
I'm in agreement with man alive in that the math problem contains important facts, but misrepresents them in a fundamental way, which is unfortunate. Its wording implies that a certain larger number of Black slaves were allowed to be 'equal to' a certain smaller number of white men in some way, when the truth was they were only 'equal to' so many oxen or so much farm equipment, except when counted as a sneaky means to hand more political power to slave owners.
If it were allowed to stand on its own as a history lesson, it would be a poorly conceived one. But, it was obviously well-intentioned and could open up a larger conversation, so I'll follow DJP's lead in thinking it was not racist per se.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link
But... a certain number of slaves WERE allowed to be equal to a smaller number of White men for the purposes of defining the population of the state, which fed into the number of representatives allotted to a given state. It's not an inaccurate statement of the calculation at all.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link
In a purely mathematical context "equal to" has a much different meaning than it does in a purely political context. The math problem is correct, but the political context is ambiguous and could easily be misconstrued by school children as slaves having political rights, not simply providing a numerical ratio, unless the teacher clarifies the meaning of "equal to" beyond what the text of the problem supplied.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:56 (three years ago) link
The political context is not ambiguous.
In 1787, if an enslaved African was considered 3/5th of a person for representation in Congress, how many enslaved Africans would have been equivalent to 6 white Americans?
The context is "counting people for representation". When calculating population for representation, 3/5 of the slave population was added to the population counts of slave-holding states to determine their representative count. You're making it sound like the question implies that a certain number of representatives were set aside to represent the slaves, which it doesn't.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link
You are right. I read the article yesterday and the question is quoted in full. I stupidly relied on memory today rather than go back and read the text of the question. I apologetically withdraw my criticism of it as ambiguous. It was not.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
https://thequietus.com/articles/28630-the-black-madonna-name-change-blessed-madonna
Because cursorily educating oneself about the history of Black Madonnas is just too much to ask.
― pomenitul, Monday, 20 July 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
is throwing something 'into the briar patch' racist, either explicitly (song of the south/uncle remus) or implicitly (as i type this i can't think of any implicit reference)
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
quick wiki check suggests that the Uncle Remus stories actively borrow from African and Indigenous origins and that the briar patch story hails from Cherokee tradition. Harris steals it from them and Disney steals it from Harris.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
https://pics.filmaffinity.com/Briarpatch_TV_Series-843747636-large.jpg
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
Isn't that show already.... cancelled?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
"Did you just tell... a tarbaby story?"
"Don't get the wrong idea, man! The Cherokees told it first!"
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
yes it was stolen by disney but is it considered racist to refer to being thrown in the briar patch? that is a very good question! i realize there is no definitive answer, but i know i have used that phrase and more often than not no one even knows what i am talking about
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
for the record, i am not defending its use.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
Perhaps we need to invent and popularize a new expression to capture the same sentiment.
"Oh," said the 90s hipster, "Please don't make me move to Brooklyn."
"Please don't make me wait for you in the bar."
"Oh god, PLEASE don't leave me in the bookstore."
"Fast, free internet and plentiful snax and weed? God no! Get me out of this chamber of horrors!"
Needs work, I know.
― vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
xpost I don't think so, not least because it doesn't have racist connotations, afaict, it's just a clever reverse psychology ploy. That is, "please don't throw me in the briar patch" means "please *do* throw me in the briar patch," because I am safe there. It's a very sort of Aesop Fables twist. I'm trying to think of some other common phrase that connotes the same general concept. There must be, right?
Btw, I've noticed just recently that "Turkey in the Straw," the fiddle tune and ice cream truck jingle, is getting called out a lot. I don't know the lyrics of "Turkey in the Straw," but it cold be a similar example of a song that may not necessarily be overtly racist itself but stems from a racist context/tradition? Or maybe it's racist. I didn't even know it really had lyrics.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link
i agree that we need a substitute because it's a VERY useful concept. for me it's teaching online -- sure, it's not the same as being there in person but
* i don't have to drive or travel more than 5 feet from the same place i sleep to work* i don't have to wear shoes or stand if i don't want to * i can teach people in many different locations at the same time* i can still talk with students as a group or one on one* i can record stuff for the people who aren't there* we are all the same size* they pay the same!
like sure it *kind of* sucks but sure -- throw me in the online classroom!!
again i feel like it's not ideal but it's better than a probably quite racist image that no one understands anyway
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
i always figured the figurative briar patch was more an image whose origins are in folklore (like the fisherman & his wife, for example) rather than overt racist imagery (like the singing crows, for example)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_the_Straw
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_song
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
It's not even like I spent more than 90 seconds looking for info on this
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
yeah i think it's pretty clear that "turkey in the straw" not only has lyrics but that they are v racist in origin
i guess re: the briar patch, i had mentally filed it in the same category as "the boy who cried wolf" or "the wolf in sheep's clothing" -- an image from folklore that explains a human trait/experience/quality/whatever (i am not a folklore expert).
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/11/527459106/tar-baby-a-folktale-about-food-rights-rooted-in-the-inequalities-of-slavery
Looks like you're right about the multiple origins of a "briar patch" type story--it's pretty obv a trickster variant? But I think may have have been over-written by too many racist narratives for this version to really sit well? The above link offers...a more charitable interpretation than I had expected. In short idk
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
not to get all neil gaiman-y but i think it's important that thousand year old stories not get disposed of for a century of misuse
on the plus side, since around the 90's, reclamation is happening in (some) school systems... anansi and the gum baby is a lot more likely to be taught to grammar school kids these days than uncle remus
that said, i grew up with a copy of little black sambo given to me (if i recall correctly) by my Black second grade teacher so http://www.yourtango.com/sites/default/files/styles/header_slider/public/its-complicated.jpg
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
bearing in mind of course that "well, ACTUALLY"-ing someone else's offense and actual experience is always a bad look
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
as that article points out, tar has a real violent connotation in america's shameful history of lynching that harris would have been well aware of so that signifier in particular raises from a particularly ugly place. "briar patch" seems more specific to the trickster figure's cleverness in recognizing that the outsider antagonist can't see their inherited home as anything other than hell. thus it ever was.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
(finally getting some use out of that year studying bettelheim!)
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link
thank u for this intel. I figured 'tar baby' as concept was off limits but agree that the briar patch is still a useful concept. i feel like you can easily make up alternatives if you're speaking with someone (eg "NOOOOOOOO don't make MEEEEEEEE work from HOOOOOOOOME") as LL suggested. I also think a lot of people under 50 don't know what being thrown into the briar patch means.
I found that NPR article which was not terribly helpful imo (frankly once i found out the book's author was white i stopped taking it as any voice of moral authority).
I knew about the ice cream jingle which is a drag because I am a simple boy who is triggered by the promise of soft serve that is legally fit for human consumption.
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
I actually had looked up "Turkey in the Straw" and saw the same stuff. What I meant was that the song (unlike say, the afaict blatantly racist "Jimmy Crack Corn") absolutely has racist connotations/roots, but when I glanced at the lyrics, as with, say, the (much later but still problematic by association) "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah," it didn't necessarily seem innately racist. What I saw were lots of racist variants, as noted in one of the first lines of the "coon songs" entry: "The song "Zip Coon", a variant of "Turkey in the Straw" ... " But no argument, racist connotations are enough to get that stupid tune out of circulation. I actually did find this entry that indicated the racist version of "Turkey in the Straw" came *first* which is another strike against it:
https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2018/may.htm
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
Maybe this has been discussed elsewhere, but I've been wondering about The Breeders' "Lime House" forever...of course they say it's about Sherlock Holmes in an opium den, but why does Kim full-throatedly sing the words 'tar baby'? Is it just white people whiting, is it benign ignorance, is it dog whistle?
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
I know "black tar" is a type of heroin, right? Maybe she's just trying to be clever? Certainly "Gigantic" has its issues as well.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
The first verse of the lyrics to "Turkey in the Straw" as listed on Wikipedia are literally about whipping slaves
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
I guess maybe you could say it was about whipping horses but...
i agree that we need a substitute because it's a VERY useful concept.
Don't threaten me with a good time?
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 14 August 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link
And yeah, "Zip Coon" came first
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
Josh in Chicago, yeah,.black tar is a cheap and pretty readily available form of heroin...and that was always my read on the song, tbh, but the 'tar baby' line always bothered me.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 14 August 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
Certainly "Gigantic" has its issues as well.
holy shit, file this under "shockingly old when you realized" for me
― rob, Friday, 14 August 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link
90% white crowd singing along to it in Brixton was kind of uncomfortable tbh
― Your original display name will be displayed in brackets (Left), Friday, 14 August 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
lol I can imagine.
Genius annotation comes in handy:
According to Deal, the main inspiration for the song was the film Crimes of the Heart, in which a married woman falls in love with a black teenager and the song “Gigantic” is credited to Mrs John Murphy (Kim Deal’s pseudonym at the time of Come On Pilgrim and Surfer Rosa as an ironic feminist joke).The song’s voyeuristic lyrics mostly revolve around a woman’s observation of an attractive black man making love to another woman, culminating in the oddly light-hearted but sexual chorus: “Gigantic, gigantic, gigantic / A big, big love”.Oddly enough, the “big black mess” line wasn’t written by Kim Deal, but a friend of her husband’s named John Draper, who was writing random phrases down to help Deal flesh out the song. Out of his list, she kept “big black mess” and “hunk of love”.
The song’s voyeuristic lyrics mostly revolve around a woman’s observation of an attractive black man making love to another woman, culminating in the oddly light-hearted but sexual chorus: “Gigantic, gigantic, gigantic / A big, big love”.
Oddly enough, the “big black mess” line wasn’t written by Kim Deal, but a friend of her husband’s named John Draper, who was writing random phrases down to help Deal flesh out the song. Out of his list, she kept “big black mess” and “hunk of love”.
― pomenitul, Friday, 14 August 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
oh geez. i never made the connection
― Nhex, Friday, 14 August 2020 21:43 (three years ago) link
There's other stuff I find even more questionable, like the "shady place" line, which like "black tar baby" could be intended as a dubious pun.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
Xpos known that song for 30 years and never crossed my mind that there was a racial connotation.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 14 August 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link
In my infinite naïveté I initially assumed – for the better part of a decade, at least – that 'shady', 'black' and 'dark' were all abstract signifiers meant to convey a racy mood. I still want to believe that's the case.
― pomenitul, Friday, 14 August 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
Likewise 😬
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 14 August 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
wtf were they thinking?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-54419760
Fitness centre operator PureGym has apologised "unreservedly" for an "unacceptable" Facebook post from one of its gyms about slavery.The Luton and Dunstable gym said "slavery was hard and so is this" regarding a workout designed to "celebrate black history month".In a statement PureGym said the post was "wholly unacceptable" and "was not approved or endorsed by the company".PureGym added it was removed "as soon as it was brought to our attention".The company is the UK's largest gym chain by membership.The workout, entitled "12 Years of Slave" after the Oscar-winning movie with a similar title, included 12 different moves such as burpees, push ups and box jumps.
The Luton and Dunstable gym said "slavery was hard and so is this" regarding a workout designed to "celebrate black history month".
In a statement PureGym said the post was "wholly unacceptable" and "was not approved or endorsed by the company".
PureGym added it was removed "as soon as it was brought to our attention".
The company is the UK's largest gym chain by membership.
The workout, entitled "12 Years of Slave" after the Oscar-winning movie with a similar title, included 12 different moves such as burpees, push ups and box jumps.
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
I'm on a conference call and I think I pulled every muscle in my face stifling laughter in case my mic isn't actually muted
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:33 (three years ago) link
o m f g
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link
sadlol
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 October 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
I mean
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
The Luton and Dunstable gym said "slavery was hard and so is this"
I'm screaming
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
dude behind this btw
https://vimeo.com/344055848
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
expected the name of the company to be dunder-mifflin
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 October 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
slavery burpees
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link
"burpees are for convicts" is already a thing with gym dudes
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Next month's promotion is "Ab Day Macht Frei"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
Pure Gym announce their new Black History Month facilities. 🏋🏽♂️🥴@Puregym_Luton pic.twitter.com/9UP636T8H7— Munya Chawawa (@munyachawawa) October 5, 2020
― seumas milm (gyac), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
Apparently... the guy who did this is Black
I'm fucking dying
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link
do you get a free ronaldinho bottle opener when you join?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link
"slavery was hard and so is this"
imagining this line getting axed from an early draft of Bamboozled for being too on-the-nose
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link
exactly!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
Slavery was hardAnd so is thisBetter give me somethingSo I can lift
― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
My supervisors led an all-staff discussion of race and equity by 1. giving us a glossary of terms to study for 15 minutes; 2. opening up the meeting participant list and going in alphabetical order, 3. requiring everyone to speak about their "experiences" with these terms, and 4. Stopping 1/3 of the way through the list b/c we were out of time.
The result, or course, was that the people of color on the list felt they had to talk about their personal experiences with racism, the white ppl on the list felt they had to say something, whether or not they had anything meaningful to share, and any POC staff members who happened to be in the last 2/3 of the alphabet had to listen to white guys musing about racial equity and their experience living in diverse neighborhoods without being allowed to respond. Oh, and the last person to talk was a white guy.
Am I right in thinking this is - not good?
― Lily Dale, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
are you sure this wasn't an episode of The Office
― frogbs, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link
I sent them the most tactful email I could w/suggestions for how future meetings could better support the voices of POC, and got a politely-worded but obviously pissed-off response; basically, "We did everything right and you are wrong, but thanks for your input."
― Lily Dale, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
This sounds like it was a disaster
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 12 October 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
why require everyone to speak in the first place? emphasis should have been given to PoC but you require a bunch of white people to talk about race and then we get the monologue version of that Brad Paisley/LL Cool J song.
― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 October 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
(but only the Paisley parts)
I'm just going to say that always putting the onus on the participants of color to lead the discussion is some strong "tell the class why they should stop spitting on you" energy
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
that's kinda why I don't get why people were mandated to speak at all. this sounds like a very slapped-together meeting with very low effort.
― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
it's not an option for every group or organization, but it seems like it would be better to get a third party to lead a discussion on race, or at least someone with some training.
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
Their stated reason for requiring everyone to speak was that it's important for everyone to engage with these issues, however uncomfortable it makes you. I really get the impression that they went in with one thought only, which was "White people don't talk about race enough, let's make the white people talk," not realizing that this is going to put a greater burden of discomfort on POC and also give the impression of prioritizing white voices.
Part of the problem is that the supervisors running the meeting (both white) think they're experts on race and equity, ostensibly care deeply about it, and thus are very defensive about the idea that they might be doing a less-than-stellar job.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 12 October 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
"We've called this impromptu meeting so we could put the few POC who work here on the spot by telling the rest of us how not to be racist. We then will have ten minutes of voluntary confessional time for whites to say how guilty they feel about racism, followed by snacks in the break room so we can all be awkward together and eat pizza."
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
Maybe my email was too tactful. I'm not sure the "um, you guys led a staff discussion about race where some POC weren't allowed to talk, do you realize how bad this is?" part of it got through.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 12 October 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
I may have complained about this before but one of my schools tried to have "implicit bias training" as part of the mandatory professional development for teachers, and it upset so many people that the principal backed down and made it "optional." Which means only the people who wanted to examine their implicit bias actually did the training. Which is...exactly not the point.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
my workplace has made the mistake of thinking that because it's majority POC that we don't need any more training, that we are fully cooked and ready to rip in a world devoid of racismsadly, nope
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
Keith Olbermann making some unusual choices this morning
Yes @realDonaldTrump has always been, will always be, and on the day of his bid for re-election, still is: a whiny little Kunta Kinte https://t.co/hIIrt1Ke17— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) November 3, 2020
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
Huh.
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
The going theory is that he didn't want to type "cunt" and well... this wasn't a better choice
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
If that's not some kind of autocorrect snafu, Pearl Crabs is back to being my favorite cartoon whale.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:11 (three years ago) link
God, I'd forgotten about Olbermann. Wish you hadn't reminded me.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
please tell me what autocorrects to "Kunta Kinte"
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
what kind of spell-correct offers kunta kinte
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
I'm sorry everyone, I typed "baby" and autocorrect changed it to "Kunta Kinte". Curse you, Apple!— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) November 3, 2020
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) November 3, 2020
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
Y'all are focusing way too much on the implausible front half of my shitpost and not enough on the unamusing punchline.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
olbermann is a dolt who thought he was smart because he was at espn around even bigger dolts
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
How dare you, sir!
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
Just logged back in: I apologize for my previous subtweet of this. I was using an old 70's-80's technique for calling somebody a c*** without writing/saying c***, just using a sound-alike to call Trump a c*** Deleting previous, largely because this one clarifies the c*** part https://t.co/hIIrt1Ke17— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) November 3, 2020
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
an old 70's-80's technique for calling somebody a c***
wait lol what
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
Cockney rhyming slang, innit.
― nickn, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
maybe slang used by a person who is now 70-80 years old
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
Puns, that classic 70s/80s technique.
― jmm, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
I, too, often have not been able to resist the urge to call someone a *checks notes* "coont"
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
Sorry for shitting on the floor in the middle of the dinner party, I actually meant to just shit on the table, I hope you understand.
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
aw man, fucking auto-cat knocked my shit off the table and onto the floor! fucking auto-cat
― just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
logan's run looking more like a good idea everyday
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
Dear @KeithOlbermann, #Kunta is pronounced with a long “u” as in unity, not a short “u” as in cup. Try again!Love, Kunta— LeVar Burton (@levarburton) November 3, 2020
― rob, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
more like keith older man
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
omg I love Levar Burton
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
OTOH ‘coont’ is in the Gallagher Brothers Bad Words Pronunciation Guide.
― scampopo (suzy), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
lol suzy
Maybe next Levar will explain to Keith what a "subtweet" is
― #vote2020 (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
it's pronounced "twah-" er wait no
― rob, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
I was wondering if LeVar was going to say anything!
― Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
geez louise just call him a cunt! trump has no issue using the word himself, didn't keith olbermann listen to the "you're that cunt from the airplane" story?!?!?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
I mean you coulda said see you next Tuesday, it'd have fit the damn election theme, Keith
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
Know you next Tuesday, alright?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
― DJP, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
https://www.thefader.com/2021/03/03/perfume-genius-ag-cook-remix-describe-music-video?utm_source=tftw
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
.@perfumegenius shares @agcook404 remix of "Describe." https://t.co/iZusHVoxdp pic.twitter.com/MmmmEULOp5— The FADER (@thefader) March 3, 2021
wtf is this
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
i have been trying to figure out what i'm supposed to be looking for
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link
It's a video directed by a white guy featuring a remix done by a white guy of a white guy's song, where the white guy who is credited as the performer is depicted as a Black man who steals... whimsy, I guess? at gunpoint.
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah— it reinforces the idea of the "Black criminal" from the outset. It's...not good.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
I mean, dude is also portrayed as a cross-eyed, dancing, limb-flapping goofus
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link
sorry - i didn't mean to cast doubt on it, it does seem fucking...weirdly awful. i shouldn't have skipped around the video, when i first watched it, but i hate this music and didn't want to listen to all of it. i skimmed around and missed the context, plot, and the part before the masks go on.
i don't really have a good feel for how mainstream popular any of these people are, but the song seems to fucking suck so hopefully it will sink to the bottom of the ocean
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
Stealing Whimsy, airing Tuesdays at 9:00pm EST starting this spring, only... on TBS
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
I'm also just going to come out and say that as a white gay dude, I always thought that PG was precious and for the sort of white gay dudes who think they're "alternative" but are actually very middle-class and boring men who like buttsex
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 22:49 (three years ago) link
I was going to say "he's one of those dudes on Facebook with 850 shirtless white twinks and one Black woman he met at work in his friend list"
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
That too, probably.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:19 (three years ago) link
Does anyone remember that indie rock video that was filmed like a Wes Anderson movie but ended with a guy literally shitting on another guy’s face and it was during the two years every music website was “sex positive” so some site was like “THIS MUST BE TAUGHT IN EVERY SEX EDUCATION CLASS”I would like table’s opinion on that video too
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link
Like, it was “precious” but also had shit play
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:41 (three years ago) link
Was it The Decemberists?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
I can’t believe I found it on the first page after searching “best music videos gay sex”https://vimeo.com/channels/1428424/200672866
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:47 (three years ago) link
“It’s educational, sometimes voyeuristic, and absolutely engrossing. May they show it in sex-ed classes someday.”
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:59 (three years ago) link
my opinion on that video was uh it was fine
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 4 March 2021 05:09 (three years ago) link
weird tangent
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 4 March 2021 05:10 (three years ago) link
but good to know that pooping on whiney is a nono
triumph.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 4 March 2021 08:36 (three years ago) link
Let’s move away from literally shitting in someone’s face to metaphorical shitting in someone’s face:
DC got a new mural and I.......... pic.twitter.com/rfatnAeMfX— Tiffany Flowers (@MsFlowersTweets) March 3, 2021
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
i legit just said "what the fuck" out loud to my dogs.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 March 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link
gah. there is a mural near my neighborhood that i feel rageful about but i mean...at least ours isn't that? oofffffff
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
a mural of RBG i mean
I keep going back to it and saying "who is the audience for this" and thinking the answer is "white liberals in my hometown"
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
Glad I live in an area where one of the largest and most beautiful murals is of gay communist opera singer Paul Robeson.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
has the muralist had to apologize yet because i am already guessing what the apology reads like in my head
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
Paul Robeson was gay?
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
I don't know if he was bi, but he married a woman and had some p scandalous affairs with other women
― rob, Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
Jfc that was an autocorrect. He was not. In fact, he was quite the opposite lol
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
i was gonna say that scandalous affairs with women are not exactly a sign of homosexuality if you're a man but it is possible i am underinformed
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
it is a sign of homosexuality when your phone autocorrects things to "gay" ;)
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
Was the autocorrected word "a"?
― peace, man, Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
the algorithms know everything these days
― rob, Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link
I think what table meant was that the phone autocorrected "gay communist opera singer Paul Robeson" from "Gaz Coombes"
― rob, Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to imagine living near a giant Gaz Coombes mural and for some reason the picture in my mind has the terrible face tattoos from the RBG mural I linked
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
it was probably "ag," tbf— I sometimes type so fast on my phone that I'll swipe a letter trying to get to another, in this case the "c" in communist.
i am, it turns out, very gay.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 March 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
xpost DJP lol
Muralist left out the crying Santorum kids
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link
At least it's her with a GF tattoo and not the other way around.
― pplains, Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
oh god
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
Ruth bader have my money
― beware the ídes of mairt (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
table's autocorrect changes "the" to "gay" which is why his real username is "gay table is gay table"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, March 3, 2021 10:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, March 3, 2021 10:52 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
otm. i mean i'm somewhat middle class and boring, and love buttsex, but god i can't stand this guy's voice lol.
― map ca. 1890 (map), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
A gay communist opera singers?
― Wrote For Lunch (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 March 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
Let’s move away from literally shitting in someone’s face to metaphorical shitting in someone’s face:🐦[DC got a new mural and I.......... pic.twitter.com/rfatnAeMfX🕸— Tiffany Flowers (@MsFlowersTweets) March 3, 2021🕸]🐦
― Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 March 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
Here's a Medium article about that mural
https://medium.com/free-thinkr/rbg-goes-to-anacostia-e9ca99b1a164
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
I cant find a photo of it, but via the IndyStar
Rabble owner Josie Hunckler said she learned Thursday evening of a 2018 mural by Muck that depicts a chimpanzee sporting a gold tooth and a thought bubble filled by a marijuana leaf. Muck painted the chimpanzee near New Orleans' Lincoln Beach — a waterfront amusement park designated as an African American gathering place during the segregated 1950s...."I admit ignorance, inability to see the big picture, inability to see other people’s viewpoints on it," she said. "I didn’t see. I missed it. I apologize profusely."Someone painted over the New Orleans mural before Muck returned to do the task, she said. Although a photo of Muck with the chimpanzee mural no longer resides on her Instagram profile, a screencap exists."Yes, I painted a monkey," she said. "I had no association of that monkey with any race. I’ve never thought that way. I grew up in New York and Europe, and it just didn’t enter my mind."Muck said ethnicity didn't factor in her choices of the gold tooth and marijuana leaf.“I was putting gold teeth on everything at that time," she said. "That was my shtick.”Regarding the marijuana: "I was trying to help a newly sober person. He was having a hard time with his friend smoking weed. I said, ‘They look like monkeys, they’re being stupid. Why would you want to do that?’ And we painted the painting."
"I admit ignorance, inability to see the big picture, inability to see other people’s viewpoints on it," she said. "I didn’t see. I missed it. I apologize profusely."
Someone painted over the New Orleans mural before Muck returned to do the task, she said. Although a photo of Muck with the chimpanzee mural no longer resides on her Instagram profile, a screencap exists.
"Yes, I painted a monkey," she said. "I had no association of that monkey with any race. I’ve never thought that way. I grew up in New York and Europe, and it just didn’t enter my mind."
Muck said ethnicity didn't factor in her choices of the gold tooth and marijuana leaf.
“I was putting gold teeth on everything at that time," she said. "That was my shtick.”
Regarding the marijuana: "I was trying to help a newly sober person. He was having a hard time with his friend smoking weed. I said, ‘They look like monkeys, they’re being stupid. Why would you want to do that?’ And we painted the painting."
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 4 March 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link
A dear friend wrote this piece about being Black in the non-profit industrial complex. Pretty damning stuff.
https://tastefulrude.com/how-to-break-up-with-the-non-profit-pyramid-scheme-for-now/
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 March 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link
Muck seems like a fun person to completely ignore at a party
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
I grew up in New York and Europe
Ah yes, the places where there isn't any racism
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
What is 'Europe'?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:41 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
I mean, the resemblance is uncannyhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvkFl0RWQAEmB12?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/I_Should_Coco.jpg
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Friday, 5 March 2021 08:10 (three years ago) link
zoom in on the even worse ruth bader 6ix9ine avatar of the screenshotted tweet
the what now pic.twitter.com/xDTkFeLpMW— ALAB Series (@ALABSeries) March 2, 2021
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 5 March 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
well, tbh i can't say this is worse than the george floyd. no point in comparing.
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 5 March 2021 13:53 (three years ago) link
I... what
what is wrong with these people
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:12 (three years ago) link
https://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/39028/wandering-dago-food-truck-we-were-booted-from-track-for-name/
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
Had to google that slur. I've never seen/heard anyone use it in Canada, including by idiotic teenagers who had no qualms about using, uh, synonyms.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
I'd day it's pretty antiquated at this point. But have you never seen Fawlty Towers? That's my clearest memory of hearing it
― rob, Friday, 5 March 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
Do the Right Thing is the place I know it best from.
Dago, wop, guinea, garlic-breath, pizza-slingin', spaghetti-bendin', Vic Damone, Perry Como, Luciano Pavarotti, Sole Mio, nonsingin' motherfucker.
― peace, man, Friday, 5 March 2021 14:25 (three years ago) link
Fawlty Towers is another thing I had to google a while back. Then again, my knowledge of TV culture is subpar.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
Also, I should really wait for the coffee to kick in before posting. Language exceeds my grasp right now.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
Wow that's a weird situation where it's tone-deaf at the very least but...they people who chose the name are from the affected group? Who imo? can't really be said to still experience significant marginalization from that identity? It's not my identity so I leave that question open.
Affected people have the right to reclaim language obv. This does seem like more of a hand-wave to how Italians aren't really at risk for discrimination anymore though. I'm curious now about who the "unnamed state official" was.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link
I had no idea it was used at all outside the UK.
― Wrote For Lunch (Tom D.), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
Apparently it's American though.
― Wrote For Lunch (Tom D.), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:44 (three years ago) link
oh yeah i wasn't posing "is it racist" about the dago thing, if she wants to call herself a dago i don't care. i was just struck by the horrible RBG avatar.
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
there's a couple places here that have dago in the name but they specifically sell dago sandwiches
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
I'd never heard of that before (I've only been to St Paul once). This article is p interesting: https://thetakeout.com/st-paul-s-hot-dago-sandwich-offers-no-apologies-few-1825333299
― rob, Friday, 5 March 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
I mean, okay sure maybe can appropriate slurs against them but how many incorporated businesses out there in English-speaking countries use the word "nigga"
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link
I need to find the photos I took at Cholo Tacos...in Helsinki, Finland.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
I started googling and found this https://www.cholos.mx/
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
Yeah! Sure! I'm against the use of slurs generally!! The fact that it's the name of a well-known sandwich is another unpleasant new thing I just learned!
It's also my experience just anecdotally that Italian-Americans who strongly identify w their cultural identity like to emphasize their marginalization while also vociferously discriminating against literally everyone else.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link
ha yes, I have also experienced that
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
xpoh yeah, it's a clear marker of the incorporation of italian-americans into whiteness, as much re-appropriated by the affected community as rendered toothless by that process.
― rob, Friday, 5 March 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
Yes, thank you, rob, that's the rub: to me, the most offensive thing is using an outdated slur to portray themselves as victims of discrimination when it's really an acknowledgement of how they're part of the discriminating group now.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
sorry, I read your post exactly wrong
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
Dago and Yankee are both slang based in first name si think.Diego and Jan for Spanish and Dutch sailors respectively. Or at least taht's what I gather from things i've read over the years.
― Stevolende, Friday, 5 March 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
No worries, I wasn't very clear. rob put it better.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 5 March 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
speaking as a half-Italian, nothing drives me more insane than when Italian-Americans rush to defend Christopher Columbus simply because a bunch of Italian immigrants swore their allegiance to America at one of his statues once.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
This is the place I went to:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/cholo-helsinki
The food was good, TBF. And the cook might have been Mexican. He wasn't a Finn, at any rate.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 March 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
It's also my experience just anecdotally that Italian-Americans who strongly identify w their cultural identity like to emphasize their marginalization while also vociferously discriminating against literally everyone else.― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, March 5, 2021 7:19 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, March 5, 2021 7:19 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Sort of the same with Irish people, too— so many working-class Irish like to bring up "wE wErE SlAvEs tOo" and I'm always pretty quick to smack that shit down because it's bullshit.
(Also I live in Philadelphia lol)
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 5 March 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
I'm slightly confused by the discussion of "cholo" here, tho— its strongest association is with Mexican-American street culture, most prominently in LA. I've known a few cholos, and it was never construed as a slur by them?
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 5 March 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link
this is largely driven by me accidentally confusing "cholo" with "culo"
Spanish is not my forte
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 5 March 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
Columbus was sailing for the Spanih to celebrate the conquest of the moors in Al Andalus and I think to find a place to dispose of teh jews taht were getting kicked out of the kingdom . So lovely philanthropic gestures all around, noice.
― Stevolende, Friday, 5 March 2021 17:38 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholo
― rob, Friday, 5 March 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
Interesting. Sounds like tragic misunderstanding territory.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
The article had someone claim that "dago" came from the day laborer immigrants, who wanted to be paid "as the day goes," which I had never heard before.
― nickn, Friday, 5 March 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link
definitely seen ther derivation from diego explained before and seems to be the first thing popping up now,also I thought it was a term usd in Britain at a time when those refered to would presumably have been at more of a distance tahnthe relationship with day labouring would suggest. Thought it turned up in naval terms though may be from the media I'm seeing things though being from hollywood
― Stevolende, Friday, 5 March 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
Yes, I was sure it was some British thing, probably naval, but not according to the internet. I cannot imagine anyone in the UK using that word and getting away with it these days.
― Wrote For Lunch (Tom D.), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link
Twas known as offensive "foreigner" slur in Norway in 1978 apparently, as that is when Hammerfest band Unit Five released "Polardego", about how South Norwegians view the North ("a bit more domesticized than last year").
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 5 March 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
she is female and diversity
The president of a lawyer recruiting firm accidentally emailed me ABOUT me 😭 pic.twitter.com/cIGQisdhr0— Diversity 💙💜💖♥️🧡💛💕mzstarrburst (@GummiPie) April 26, 2021
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 26 April 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link
i should have put this in a different thread because i am not questioning that it's racist, btw
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 26 April 2021 23:20 (two years ago) link
I'm getting tired of the repeated point that conservatives don't know what Critical Race Theory means. Nitpicking over the definition is clearly misdirection, when what they object to is ANY discussion of race in the classroom whatsoever. Rather than saying "you don't understand what CRT is," it should be reframed as a simple question: is race an acceptable class topic? Y/N
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 11 June 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
i love how their repeated talking point is that they're ignorant
― Karl Malone, Friday, 11 June 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link
to me, that's the point, if they can fit any discussion of race under the scary umbrella of "CRT" it makes it easier to discredit and force it out of school curricula altogether.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 11 June 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link
Weellll I thought we were talking about old televisions! Now I don’t know what the heck is going on, I can’t learn!!
― Karl Malone, Friday, 11 June 2021 17:20 (two years ago) link
along with the CRT stuff the UK right has gone all in on any and all opposition to racism being "marxist" (and also inherently antisemitic for good measure). this is obv a classic r/w tactic worldwide but it has become so fucking intense here lately and the centrist pieces of shit who make up the left wing of UK media and politics are sufficiently racist and spooked by marxism that they've happily dropped any pretence of caring about black lives. you can really sense the relief
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link
right, the labeling gives them an easy way out, but only when people fail to question what's being targeted and instead quibble about the meaning of "marxist".
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 11 June 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
guess what the white left prefers to do most of the time
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
well yes, that's why I'm complaining about it
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 11 June 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link
had an uncomfortable moment the other night, out with a new friend at a bar for one of the first times since last year, and for some reason awkward early bus ride memories was the subject. for me, that brings up thoughts of this kid in my grade who would always tickle me and give me a big "snakebite" on the arm every morning, it was horrible. but as i told it, i didn't say "snakebite", because i hadn't heard of it until i looked it up when i got home. instead, i said "every morning he gave me a horrible indian burn-- uh."
it's not a term i've heard in a long time, but everyone i ever met called them that without second thought. but in the context of an extremely white rural area that belonged to native americans a few centuries ago, perhaps it refers to making the skin red, like native americans.
it's common parlance in big portions of the the united states still, i think, but as of 2012 there were lots of other terms for it:
..."buffalo skin" in India, "policeman's glove" or "hundred needles" in Hungary, "barbed wire" in the Netherlands, "needles" in Bulgaria and "Brennessel" ("stinging nettle") in Austria, Switzerland and the southern parts of Germany, "thousand needle stings" in the northern parts of Germany, "thousand needles" in Sweden, "Nettle" in Latvia, Poland and Russia, "French Cuff" in Denmark, "kuuma makkara" (hot sausage) in Finland, "manita de puerco" (split pigs' feet) in Mexico
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link
I grew up in Boston and that was familiar term there as well
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
that's what it was called in 80s northern Illinois too. we also had "indian summer" which I would like to learn a better term for as it happens p regularly in Montreal and my partner and I calling it "racist summer" doesn't really work outside of the house
― trap door to hell opens underneath (rob), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
i'd like to hear a beat happening version of that
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
I think it's called a Chinese Burn in the UK? Or is that something else?
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
that was a mid-90s Curve single IIRC
― an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link
Chinese burn is the same apparently, seems to be based on the notion that the Chinese are an evil bunch who enjoy torturing people.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
yeah it was definitely called a chinese burn in scotland in the 90s, probably still is judging by what so many people there still call chinese and indian takeaway restaurants/corner stores
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link
I wonder about what terms we use today which will become off-limits in the future.
Don't get me wrong. It's not a curiosity based in WHAT ELSE WILL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS TAKE AWAY FROM US? It goes without saying that some words and terms should be looked at, recognized, and perhaps removed from the lexicon. We just haven't gotten around to them yet.
I hope "guru" fails to make the cut one day. Not because I'm overly offended by the popular use for the term usually reserved for a reverential Hindu dispeller of darkness, but only because I'm tired of hearing about web gurus, sports gurus and spreadsheet gurus.
― pplains, Friday, 25 June 2021 13:07 (two years ago) link
I think ‘ex-pat’ might be in with a chance for removal…That woolly term that isn’t quite immigrant or migrant, and already conjures up images here of lobster-red brexit voting Brits drinking ice cold lager in English style bars on the Costa Brava.
― Luna Schlosser, Friday, 25 June 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link
ninja hopefully
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 June 2021 13:34 (two years ago) link
I think guru and ninja both speak to the degree casual orientalism/anti-Asian racism are acceptable now. People saying "namaste" as a joke, the popularized uses of terms like karma and zen, there's tons more
― trap door to hell opens underneath (rob), Friday, 25 June 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
tbf, I also think of pplains' larger point when I read young people saying things like "I can't watch any TV made before 2015"
― trap door to hell opens underneath (rob), Friday, 25 June 2021 13:43 (two years ago) link
xxp Like how the fans of Insane Clown Posse (aka Juggalos) refer to each other?
― peace, man, Friday, 25 June 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link
2xp surely not things like thishttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51tYHW4%2B9iL._SY500_.jpg
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 25 June 2021 13:49 (two years ago) link
i think there is a pretty fertile ground for reevaluating ableist slurs bc theres a bunch of them and they permeate our language. i will confess to not consistently checking myself on using them privately.
― class project pat (m bison), Friday, 25 June 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
the namaste stuff tends to present itself as making fun of white liberal orientalism and appropriation which deserves mockery but it's clearly a thin line. was it racist to mock those trudeau-in-india photoshoots? probably some of the mockery was but the shoots themselves also felt kind of racist. idk what the best approach would have been to that
i wish people would take ableist language more seriously but i rarely challenge it unless it's egregious since it just gets treated like a joke or as PC extremism if i do. i hope that changes soon but the backlash against requests to stop using the r-word - which is what i mean by egregious - suggests that phasing out the less obviously grautitous stuff is going to be hard work. i still recommend trying to avoid the language since it forces you to think carefully about why you actually dislike thing/person instead of just assuming stupid idiot etc speaks for itself
― Left, Friday, 25 June 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link
yeah, i teach my son to think of that and finding other words to express what he's thinking or feeling.
when i think about people things that ive called stupid, it's never about a lack of intelligence. it could be arrogant foolishness, carelessness, animus, cowardice, bigotry, whatever. i think ableist slurs are so common bc of our collective emphasis on Personal Intelligence as capital (human, social, or otherwise) which is a vestige of eugenics (which brings us back full circle to white supremacy, hurray thread title)
― class project pat (m bison), Friday, 25 June 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link
yes and it's interesting that everyone i've ever spoken to who believed in IQ as an objective measure of intelligence/worth (telling conflation in itself) has also had very strong views on things like whether rap counts as music, or whether some people are natural athletes
― Left, Friday, 25 June 2021 15:44 (two years ago) link
i still recommend trying to avoid the language since it forces you to think carefully about why you actually dislike thing/person instead of just assuming stupid idiot etc speaks for itself
this really gets at the heart of why this is so worthwhile imo. it teaches you to really think through your negativity and start to possibly re-route your values.
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 25 June 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link
I use those words a lot, typically to describe Republicans or my parents who just won’t listen. I know I shouldn’t, and sometimes I pause before typing them. Fools? Stubborn? Obstinate? Unyielding? Brick walls? Liars? I don’t know. Sometimes I get fed up and just call them fucking i*****
― Karl Malone, Friday, 25 June 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link
wait, stupid is ableist?
i try not to use terms like "crazy" or "insane" any longer. same with phrases that use the term "blind"
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Friday, 25 June 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link
yeah, intellectual disabilities
― class project pat (m bison), Friday, 25 June 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
The problem with "blind" is that I feel like it is the most apt metaphor for most cases where you'd use it, and it isn't always meant negatively. "Blind study" for example - I'm not sure what you'd say instead? But I am absolutely willing to listen to the blind community on what to do in those situations. I also think "stupid" and "idiot" are going to be hard to remove, as they're so embedded in the language. But "dumb" and "lame" are definitely gone from my lexicon.
I'm still constantly confounded by how many people think "spazz" is okay (and I can think of at least two songs I love that feature it heavily so it's not like it was super-easy for me to get rid of it, but it's just... not okay).
― emil.y, Friday, 25 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map)
I do think this is spot on, though. It doesn't help instinctive moments but it's absolutely a worthwhile practice to get into.
― emil.y, Friday, 25 June 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
Lego Police Highway Arresthttps://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81PLN-9BvPL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
similarly: Ralph Breaks the Internet has visible minorities as the murderers in Slaughter Race, while the rest of the characters in the movie are mostly white.
― adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 19 August 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
Duke Detain
― there's too much fucking shit on me (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 August 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link
vito risked all that for $100 and a...calculator and a baseball?
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 August 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnpW8H9UcAAe9GN?format=jpg&name=medium
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 19 August 2021 21:23 (two years ago) link
as an Italian-ilxor, I can attest I have definitely been pulled over by a Lego Cop before, and it sucks
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 August 2021 22:47 (two years ago) link
I went to a cute out of the way airshow of vintage planes last week, and one of the major bits of theater was the pretense than there was an escaped convict on the loose, dressed in striped prison PJs, evading the police. In the course of pursuit the man (thankfully played by a white person, it's not that kind of story at least) would, in desperation, grab onto a plane wing and be carried up in the air, only to be SHOT DOWN out of the air by the police, to the approval of all.
I wonder if that part of the skit hits different after Afghans died falling off planes? I'm not sure the organizers have that much awareness, sadly. But regardless of current events it was also very troubling to see shooting a prisoner normalized & celebrated.
It's true, once you see things with open eyes you can't enjoy a lot of things. I'm not lamenting that I'm just saying--people who think I'm some kind of killjoy have no idea how many things I'm *not* saying.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 20 August 2021 00:11 (two years ago) link
yeah any fun had at a "convict" or "criminal"'s expense is gross to me, including if the convict is white and it's just an old timey gag. you just know the laughing people are enjoying the idea of some poor person who is not them being hurt. maybe it reminds me of one of my favorite books i am a fugitive from a georgia chain gang in which the striped prison pjs were not such a fun time. and a lot of counties still make people wear those things!
― criminally negligible (harbl), Friday, 20 August 2021 00:50 (two years ago) link
"calculator and baseball" are probably the front of a safe. the piece is called a mailbox front.
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 20 August 2021 01:09 (two years ago) link
that makes a lot of sense, and i know it's right.
but come on, that's a calculator + baseball
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 20 August 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
Looks like an ATM that was ripped out of a wall.
― nickn, Friday, 20 August 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
why was there a box of fish in the middle of the road
― criminally negligible (harbl), Friday, 20 August 2021 01:13 (two years ago) link
grip the baseball like a curveball in order to access checking
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 20 August 2021 01:13 (two years ago) link
it was planted there earlier so duke detain could use it in pursuit
https://i.imgur.com/QqMQKOS.png
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 20 August 2021 01:14 (two years ago) link
fish basket is the g-rated version of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BabyCarriage
― adam t. (abanana), Friday, 20 August 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link
yeah the fish thing is very very confusing to me
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 August 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M1-V6-sV014/TP2roxpZeQI/AAAAAAAAGCo/kAP7vbr2CR4/s280/LewZealand_and_Fish.jpg
― koogs, Friday, 20 August 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
"thug" - racist 99% of the time, right?
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 20 August 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link
i have conservative family members who have discovered the joy of using "thug" lately. needless to say they're now blocked on my phone.
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 20 August 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link
depends on context. plenty of people call police, feds, and/or right-wing militia boneheads thugs. or at least i do. but i'm guessing you're asking about a context where the answer is "yup"
― aegis philbin (crüt), Friday, 20 August 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link
tbh i don't think "thug" is ever a good word
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 20 August 2021 22:18 (two years ago) link
i prefer sadist or bootlicker
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 20 August 2021 22:19 (two years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/theater/aladdin-broadway-jonathan-freeman-jafar.html
As far as Jafar goes, I never thought of him, to be honest, as anything but a Disney villain. I never thought of him as being North African, Middle Eastern, Asiatic, South Asian. I never thought of any of those things. I always thought of him as being a villain. The makeup that I put on was never meant to be race. It was always villain’s makeup.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:33 (two years ago) link
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link
the honest answer, seems to me, is the character is an obvious racist stereotype, repeated so often that everyone agrees to pretend its not for the sake of commerce and continuity and without a celebrity and grass roots accuser to point out the emperor has no clothes, disney is happy to keep on keepin' on.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:39 (two years ago) link
many people unabashedly love orientalism is how I break it down to an extent
― rob, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:43 (two years ago) link
animated cartoons are incredibly fertile ground for race stereotypes, but disney makes too much money off this shit to mess with its basic formula. they offset the racist villain with a de-racinated hero/princess and call it good.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:51 (two years ago) link
They're currently making a big noise about casting a Latina actress in the lead for their upcoming live action remake of Snow White...but she's still called Snow White.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:52 (two years ago) link
also there are still comedy relief dwarfs in it
― adam t. (abanana), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 21:56 (two years ago) link
Rolling is this size-ist? Thread
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:32 (two years ago) link
as long as we're here
Deeply strange pic.twitter.com/ycilbi1iNL— James Kelleher (@etienneshrdlu) January 25, 2022
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:35 (two years ago) link
and speaking of size-isthttps://www.indiewire.com/2022/01/peter-dinklage-snow-white-remake-1234693486/
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
“I was a little taken aback when they were very proud to cast a Latina actress as Snow White. You’re still telling the story of ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.’ Take a step back and look at what you’re doing there. It makes no sense to me,” the actor told Maron. “You’re progressive in one way and you’re still making that fucking backwards story about seven dwarfs living in a cave together, what the fuck are you doing man? Have I done nothing to advance the cause from my soapbox? I guess I’m not loud enough.”The original “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” was the first full length animated feature from Disney, and remains one of the studio’s most iconic films. Dinklage’s concerns can be interpreted as part of a larger discussion of whether old art can be judged by newer moral standards. As society’s views evolve, the debate over whether problematic works should be buried or studied continues to rage on. For his part, Dinklage doesn’t think the story of “Snow White” needs to be hidden. He just wants to see the problematic aspects addressed, saying “if you tell the story of ‘Snow White’ with the most f—ed up, progressive spin on it? Let’s do it. All in.”
The original “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” was the first full length animated feature from Disney, and remains one of the studio’s most iconic films. Dinklage’s concerns can be interpreted as part of a larger discussion of whether old art can be judged by newer moral standards. As society’s views evolve, the debate over whether problematic works should be buried or studied continues to rage on. For his part, Dinklage doesn’t think the story of “Snow White” needs to be hidden. He just wants to see the problematic aspects addressed, saying “if you tell the story of ‘Snow White’ with the most f—ed up, progressive spin on it? Let’s do it. All in.”
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link
That second graf is such bullshit, fuck Indiewire
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link
i will agree that "As society’s views evolve, the debate over whether problematic works should be buried or studied continues to rage on" is not a particularly helpful sentence; looks like somebody needed to beef up their word count.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link
Peter Dinklage: "I don't like this brand new thing Disney is making"
IndieWire: SHLOULD WE CANCEL BAMBI?!?!?!
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link
Snow White should've never been a brunette in the first place.
― pplains, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:54 (two years ago) link
When speaking of fantasy creatures, some authorities prefer "Dwarves," or - in extremely formal settings - "Dwarrows."
― Emanuel Axolotl (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 06:14 (two years ago) link
Dunno if I’m trapped in a leftist echo chamber but it’s hard to read people flying Australian flags on Jan 26 (Australia Day if you’re celebrating the founding of the colony, Invasion Day if you acknowledge the theft of an entire continent from people systematically wiped out so as not to interfere with that process) as saying anything but “fuck you” to Aboriginal Australia. It’s fine if you want to celebrate the nation, but choosing to do it on a day which has this obvious implication is literally choosing familiarity over the grief of an entire people.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 08:41 (two years ago) link
Just finished the Kier-la Janisse Folk Horror doc and it was interesting to see the Australian bicentennial celebrations cast there as a slap in the face to indingenous communities; this logic obv applies to the American bicentennial as well but whenever I see that referenced the narrative is still just about malaise.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 10:27 (two years ago) link
This is a pretty illuminating doco - can’t find it online free: https://beamafilm.com/catalogue-product/australia-daze?focus=true
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 11:27 (two years ago) link
There's so much ugly stuff going on all the time, it's easy to get jaded, but inevitably something comes around that's so utterly fucked, you have to wonder how much worse it will get.
Tesla segregated Black workers into separate areas that its employees referred to as “porch monkey stations,” “the dark side,” “the slave ship” and “the plantation,” the lawsuit alleges. https://t.co/L5Vi13VX1d— Ellen K. Pao (@ekp) February 11, 2022
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 12 February 2022 01:22 (two years ago) link
You can take the boy out of South Africa but...
― Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:13 (two years ago) link
To answer your question, yes, this is racist.
― pplains, Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:17 (two years ago) link
So says California’s civil rights agency in a lawsuit filed against the electric-vehicle maker in Alameda County Superior Court on Thursday on behalf of thousands of Black workers after a decade of complaints and a 32-month investigation.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:24 (two years ago) link
I wasn't really wondering, in case that wasn't obvious
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:27 (two years ago) link
Moodles OTM. This is some extremely committed throwback old school racism
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
Bracing.
so i follow a few national parks on facebook, and apparently last week was "national invasive species awareness week" (NISAW). capitol reef national park and great basin national park both did a few posts about it. capitol reef chose to highlight the tumbleweed, which is russian thistle that was introduced to the american west in the late 1800s. kind of an interesting choice considering what's going on in the world. someone commented "fuck tumbleweeds." it seemed to me like idk something else must be contributing to the passion behind that comment other than the inherent badness of tumbleweeds.
then great basin national park, which is in the middle of nowhere in nevada and often posts questionable things related to climate change, straight up posted a meme image asserting that more species extinctions are attributable to invasive species than to human caused climate change (with no citation). which is very disingenuous considering invasive species are human caused.
anyway, invasive species - the more i think about it the more it's basically a reflection of xenophobia and american nationalism? is there any soundness to the concept, when "invasive species" have been the majority of what's going on environmentally worldwide for idk hundreds of years? it also seems like the mainstream of environmental science or whatever the name of the field we're talking about here has moved past the concept and argues that it's outlived its usefulness. from a quick glance at google. idk if we have any environmental scientists or anything here to elucidate but is this generally what's going on?
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Monday, 7 March 2022 02:05 (two years ago) link
anyway, invasive species - the more i think about it the more it's basically a reflection of xenophobia and american nationalism?
no. geez, learn some ecology. ecosystems that evolved in isolation from other ecosystems are very highly integrated and balanced
is there any soundness to the concept, when "invasive species" have been the majority of what's going on environmentally worldwide for idk hundreds of years?
fuck me. hundreds of years you say? biology on earth has been evolving for approximately 1 billion years. and trans oceanic migration and successful establishment of non-local species before humans got involved was on the order of maybe idk one species per ten thousand years.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 7 March 2022 03:13 (two years ago) link
Also, not all non-native introduced species become invasive!
― peace, man, Monday, 7 March 2022 03:28 (two years ago) link
It's not just the US where you hear about "invasive species" btw. You hear a lot about it in the UK, what with being an island and all.
― Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Monday, 7 March 2022 07:34 (two years ago) link
reminds me of the strange case of the murder/suicide lab technician who claimed in his suicide note it was all because of his fear of Japanese Knotweed.
― calzino, Monday, 7 March 2022 07:53 (two years ago) link
map, the nib had a recent article talking about this. The concept obviously not being that ecosystems can't be disturbed by new arrivals, but that the vocabulary around this is coded in xenophobic ways, and that this is reflected in some of the strategies employed against them as well.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 09:02 (two years ago) link
Here it is:
https://thenib.com/invaders/
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 09:05 (two years ago) link
UK grey squirrel/red squirrel discourse is some astonishingly bloodthirsty and quasi-racist bullshit tbh yes
― imago, Monday, 7 March 2022 09:13 (two years ago) link
Any new deepfake conspiracies today?
Here it is:https://thenib.com/invaders🕸/
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 7 March 2022 13:17 (two years ago) link
-poop- How the hell did that get in there
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 7 March 2022 13:18 (two years ago) link
I'm choking on my breakfast over here.
― peace, man, Monday, 7 March 2022 13:27 (two years ago) link
English is a nice language (for Boring, Maryland to poop on).
― removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Monday, 7 March 2022 13:55 (two years ago) link
Yeah I don't buy english as somehow being a language lacking a soul or anything either, quer dizer, não é português mas é ok. The language no more to blame than the species brought over by the colonizers, really. But it's an aside and as you said, not gonna chide Native American ppl for getting some shots in at the dominant culture.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 14:01 (two years ago) link
I poop blood and soil
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 7 March 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
^Skrewdriver getting lazy
― i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 March 2022 15:29 (two years ago) link
well it's been fun trolling national park followers who go off on completely unhinged rants about a plant.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link
there may be some validity to the concept of a plant species being 'invasive' i.e. disrupting an ecosystem but people who then focus their intense rage on the plant itself or the immigrants who brought it here need therapy.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:12 (two years ago) link
and if you really think about it, it isn't immigrants who are responsible, it's ......................................capitalism
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link
haha, i don't think most people that are into invasive plants are like that, though. one of the greatest guys i've ever met, kind of my mentor if i ever had one, at my old job, was an ecologist who spent his weekends leading small groups in expeditions to teach people to identify and remove invasive plants. he'd talk about that stuff all the time, and now that he's retired, he's stepped up his plant whacking game even more.
anyway, i would guess that anyone that has intense rage about a plant or immigrants would also rage about many other things which also don't deserve it at all, so better to unfollow/unfriend
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link
i get that they are nice people but .. i remember hearing a bit about the tamarisk debate when i lived in moab. and i just never found the old guard side of it convincing at all. you hear all sorts of arguments about all the bad stuff that tamarisk does but ultimately it really is a magic eye kind of situation isn't it? you can sure raise a lot of bad things about what the act of removing tamarisk does to an ecosystem.
there is a lot of projection and dare i say religious substitution and maybe some gene selecting ideology and not a lot of clear thinking involved with these people ime. but yes they are nice.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:29 (two years ago) link
I swear I have never seen “invasive species” associated with human immigration or whatever. Most of this stuff comes over via shipping and our glorious international trade. So this whole “trying to combat invasive species is racism” train of thought is just weird to me. The point of trying to keep non-native species at bay is to try to preserve biodiversity and endangered native species that get frequently crowded out of the ecosystem.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:19 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
oh these people aren't my friends lol they're just rando followers of national parks who pushed back very emotionally after i posted a note about xenophobic overtones along with this article https://e360.yale.edu/features/native-species-or-invasive-the-distinction-blurs-as-the-world-warms
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
xp haha, i don't know, i'll just agree to disagree on that, sorry. whacking invasive plants is the kind of family-friendly, normal activity that you can do with children to teach them about ecology
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
I swear I have never seen “invasive species” associated with human immigration or whatever. Most of this stuff comes over via shipping and our glorious international trade. So this whole “trying to combat invasive species is racism” train of thought is just weird to me.
like, if i were teaching 3rd grade or whatever, i think it would be good to take them on a short field trip to learn about invasive plants
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:35 (two years ago) link
I mean the emerald ash borer kills ash trees. We already lost american chestnuts and elms. I’d like to not have another eastern us tree species go bye bye.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:37 (two years ago) link
well i have some bad news for you
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:38 (two years ago) link
Still a bit confused about whether we're talking about rhetorical framing (which is what the nib article I posted is about) or the actual effects of plants on ecosystems.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:38 (two years ago) link
why not both?
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link
i'm just postin tbh, drinking some coffee :)
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link
Fascists will seize on anything, and there is evidence that eco fascists are performing exactly the kind of nudge nudge wink wink stuff that map is talking about. It isn’t to say that biodiversity isn’t important, of course it is, but like anything in this cursed world, beware of your fellow travelers who might agree with you on this one issue.
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:42 (two years ago) link
we need a thread about trees. trees are cool
― Heez, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:45 (two years ago) link
Sometimes I feel like a character in Meredith Monk’s “Memory Game”:I remember… elm treesI remember… when it snowed in the DC area
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:48 (two years ago) link
So glad to have spent time confirming map wasn’t imagining things :)
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:53 (two years ago) link
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:42 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i'm a huge fan of biodiversity. i don't actually think weedwhacking is terrible. if we could really fight species loss by *ahem* losing species i would advocate for it, but i have my doubts.
that being said, people who are really into protecting wilderness have a vibe, and that vibe is friendly to extreme stances that emphasize purity.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:57 (two years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, February 11, 2022 6:24 PM (three weeks ago)
omg ... i feel like there's something here that speaks to the focus of the vocal activists against racism and white supremacy here in Alameda County, which is very vocal and active around these issues. I don't mean this in a negative way. But, considering we had major protests in the past couple months about public school closures (due to budget issues and population shifts) that were centered around race and racism, including teachers on hunger strike ... the fact that there weren't major protests and callouts about this is noteworthy. Maybe it's because the plants are out in the suburbs idk. Again, not wanting to be a "whataboutist" just that I actually wasn't aware of it, and Alameda County activists are very good at letting people know about racist shit going on locally.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:02 (two years ago) link
* saying "Alameda County" as a way to concisely include Oakland and Berkeley people
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:03 (two years ago) link
kudzu discourse in the south has absolutely had racist overtones (or just tones) to it
― rob, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:08 (two years ago) link
Yeah, sorry, there being fascist over or undertones to some rhetoric in the environmental movement doesn't mean that invasive species don't exist and aren't totally destructive to native biodiversity.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:17 (two years ago) link
To me it just seems like a real baby and bathwater moment.
"Oh these fascists are using the language of ecology to spread racist tropes? Might as well not care about the principles of ecology "
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:18 (two years ago) link
To me it just seems like a real baby and bathwater moment."Oh these fascists are using the language of ecology to spread racist tropes? Might as well not care about the principles of ecology "
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link
I wasn't addressing anything you, just adding my pov? Why do you take everything I write as a personal assault on you? Calm down.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:25 (two years ago) link
Always a good look, telling a woman to calm down.
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link
xpsorry, I may have muddied things even further. I wasn't even talking about the environmental movement, just kudzu discourse in general (the "green plague" the "thug plant"). I do not think the concept of invasive species is inherently racist
― rob, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:30 (two years ago) link
map, not sure if you can read this but it may interest you: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26225593
― rob, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:36 (two years ago) link
interesting.
i don't know to what extent this is really present in ecologic discourse but i think any time there's a framing of it in terms of "original = good" and "corrupted = bad" it's a weak point. it doesn't mean that some plants aren't too far on the extreme of hogging resources to be desired in a particular environment. but in general i think people should move away from trying to "preserve" and "restore" and acknowledge that stewarding biological diversity is an act of creation that includes human input in important ways.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:46 (two years ago) link
i'm not trying to criticize or start a beef or anything, but i'll just note that "stewarding biological diversity is an act of creation that includes human input in important ways" sounds like a slogan for an oil company
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:49 (two years ago) link
i agree, of course, that humans are part of the environment and that the sum of what we do and don't do has an enormous effect on the rest of it
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:51 (two years ago) link
but in general i think people should move away from trying to "preserve" and "restore" and acknowledge that stewarding biological diversity is an act of creation that includes human input in important ways.
And so is fomenting destruction of biodiversity, map. "Just leaving nature be" is sometimes a laudable position when talking about certain environmental issues. For example, I'm pretty firmly against off-shore wind farms, because of the amount of destruction they do to already threatened aquatic habitats. But simply allowing threatening plant species or pests to destroy important parts of North America's biodiversity because some fascist assholes use it as a cover for their fascism is a non-starter for me.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:07 (two years ago) link
ok
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:23 (two years ago) link
If the spotted lanternfly makes its way down to my county this summer, I'm picking up one of these fuckers and going to war.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0475/2107/1253/products/BASGuns-OrangeCrush-1689.jpg?v=1634858446
― peace, man, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:35 (two years ago) link
i guess i'll just give an example to illustrate what i'm trying to get at. outside of boulder utah there is a small stream that runs off boulder mountain and eventually descends into the rock of the colorado plateau. right before it does, it passes through an area that used to be a cattle ranch. now it is half-ranch and half-rustic tourist resort. the ranch part still does single-crop alfalfa farming, but below that, the resort has modified the water flow in a few ways to create a very beautiful sanctuary for birds, bees, and plants. there are still areas of overgrazed and parched brush here and there, and afaik they do minimal planting or weeding to the grounds beyond a garden with a few crops, but the water motification has transformed the area into a place that is undoubtedly more biodiverse than it was as a cattle ranch, and possibly more biodiverse than it was as a single stream surrounded by pinion/juniper.
i think ecology discourse could use a little less of the american virgin / whore thing and take a more sober, clear-eyed view of the values that we want to instill in the gardens that surround us, possibly including one called "balance."
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link
I'd simply say that the pinion/juniper and stream from pre-ranching days was garden enough, but your point is taken.
What the rest of us are getting worked up about, obviously, is that there are any number of pests (both insect and plant) that are actively killing parts of native forest. There are hardly any Ash trees left near where I live, and every warm season there are swarms of the spotted lanternfly, which are absolutely disastrous for many plants and the animals that depend upon them. So many trees have died in the years since it first got to metro Philly.
peace, man, one way to fight the lanternfly is to PLANT MILKWEED. The lanternfly loves it and is attracted to it, but milkweed sap immobilizes and kills the lanternfly :-)
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:08 (two years ago) link
Sweet! Will do
― peace, man, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:16 (two years ago) link
I would consider an "invasive" species to be any introduced plant, insect, crustacean, fungus, animal or other organism whose proliferation significantly degrades the food chain of an entire ecosystem, leading to large increases in mortality in all parts of that ecosystem. And, yes, I recognize that under that definition European colonization across the globe has been by far the most destructive instance of such invasion.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:30 (two years ago) link
^ ^ ^ Yep
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 21:24 (two years ago) link
yalta.jpg
― imago, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:25 (two years ago) link
wait, table and Aimless may have never beefed
― imago, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:26 (two years ago) link
No, we have.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:40 (two years ago) link
I swear I have never seen “invasive species” associated with human immigration or whatever.
So is this where we talk about the racist buzzwording about the "Africanized" killer bee invasion?
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:52 (two years ago) link
this seems relevant, I found this article very thought-provoking, ATTN table and map and Elvis
https://thenaturalfarmer.org/article/rethinking-the-invasive-species-paradigm/
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link
that looks really informative, thanks.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:38 (two years ago) link
― imago, Wednesday, March 9, 2022 2:26 PM (four hours ago)
lol what? it's rare to see them agree on anything remotely political!
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 02:38 (two years ago) link
okok, my initial instincts otm lol
― imago, Thursday, 10 March 2022 09:32 (two years ago) link
thanks for the article post sleeve
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 10 March 2022 13:15 (two years ago) link
thanks sleeve.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:16 (two years ago) link
xp imago, i can say you were OTM 490 if that helps?
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:17 (two years ago) link
https://streetcarsuburbs.news/camp-reenacts-civil-war-battle-on-juneteenth-director-apologizes/
― Heez, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
White guy wearing a Howard t shirt ?
― calstars, Saturday, 20 August 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link
Howard University? if so, then no
― aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 20 August 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link
If not racist then…inappropriate?
― calstars, Saturday, 20 August 2022 20:29 (one year ago) link
Maybe he has a family member who attends or attended.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 20 August 2022 20:33 (one year ago) link
or he attends / attended the school himself
― aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link
maybe his name is Howard
― symsymsym, Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:04 (one year ago) link
xp or he's employed there, or has some other connection to the school, or just wants to support the school, or just likes the shirt
― aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:04 (one year ago) link
I know at least two white guys who went to Howard for grad school, one in the physician assistant program, and one who I think did an MFA. It's a good school!
― your marshmallows may vary (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 August 2022 23:48 (one year ago) link
I'm a white guy who wears a FAMU shirt from time to time. Didn't go there. Was never employed there. Did live in Tallahassee. Racist? Let me know, because if it is, I'll burn the motherfucker.
― JackMyFruit, Sunday, 21 August 2022 03:21 (one year ago) link
Burning FAMU apparel... racist? Y/N
― pplains, Sunday, 21 August 2022 15:29 (one year ago) link
Can we spend more time policing people for what they do than what they wear plz
― castanuts (DJP), Sunday, 21 August 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link
i'd love to start with policing calstars from posting tbqh
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Sunday, 21 August 2022 19:52 (one year ago) link
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 2:08 PM (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Weird thread to revive but I just wanted to clarify something upthread - you see we're having an increasing issue with lantern fly infestations here in NJ so I searched the term on ILX out of curiosity and found table's post. I was intrigued but it turns out milkweed is not a solution, according to this source below debunking it... bummed because we have the pest's favorite tree out back next door and it actually is a nice looking tree despite being classified as a weed. This particular one thinks it's an oak tree or something and would pass as one if it weren't for its foliage. Anyway, now neighbors will be incentivized to destroy it because of these jerk flies and we'd then lose a huge source of greenery out our back window, where we in particular have no personal access to greenery otherwise (no yard access).
https://www.farms.com/news/spotted-lanternfly-experts-debunk-myths-about-the-prodigious-pestilent-pest-164065.aspx
― Evan, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 20:41 (one year ago) link
Lanternflies are an absolute fucking plague near me - they're everywhere - and I hate them because most bugs for whatever reason don't land on me or bite me, but just this week I've had lanternflies land on me three times already, including one that landed on the back of my neck and started walking up into my hair, and it freaks me the fuck out.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 21:27 (one year ago) link
I'm not sure if I'd recognise an Ash if it was fully healthy. Seems all of the ones I'm seeing are partially bare. Skeletal looking trees.
Notice the effect a couple of years ago but only recently found out what caused it.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 21:34 (one year ago) link
I dreamt a lanternfly flew at me and I punched it.
― Look closely, that is all. (doo dah), Thursday, 15 September 2022 00:35 (one year ago) link
^ great The Smiths song
― i eat ass with a knife and fork (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 September 2022 01:32 (one year ago) link
I was at a park and had to grab onto a branch so I could adjust my shoe. I felt a crunch and looked to see that the entire branch was completely coated in lanternflies.
― You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 September 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link
I made a new thread where we can discuss invasive species without being off-topic on the racism thread: Zebra Mussels, Honeysuckle, and Spotted Lanternflies! - Rolling Invasive Species thread
― peace, man, Thursday, 15 September 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
I know it's a parody but uhhh...Eskimo by The Residents??
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2023 04:20 (one year ago) link
Yeah, Not Good
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 February 2023 04:38 (one year ago) link
handy that this thread popped up, maybe on a related note and i didn't want to butt in with my questions on the actual thread: the trailer for this new Rema Rema film makes a bit of play of what i assume was artwork from the time - decontextualised "anthropological" looking photos of African men, seems a bit awkward to me in 2023, maybe it flew at the time
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 February 2023 08:05 (one year ago) link
are you calling leni riefenstahl racist
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 09:35 (one year ago) link
lol is that where it's from? ok i googled. cue film of bunch of white post-punk people furrowing their brows and explaining why it's not an ish
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 February 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link
idk where it's from I just guessed
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 09:46 (one year ago) link
it actually is ffs
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 February 2023 09:50 (one year ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/60SecondDocs/videos/apache-skateboards/316255613739266/"I decolonized the skateboard industry"... so are you a racist if you buy any other brand?
― StanM, Friday, 24 February 2023 09:57 (one year ago) link
yeah probably
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 11:10 (one year ago) link
Eskimo by The Residents??
At the risk of being accused of naïveté, is this ameliorated at all by the fact that the band, being anonymous, doesn't code as white? How would the album seem if it were made by Inuit musicians?
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 24 February 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
the "lyrics" alone don't really help that argument. i guess you could argue it's all aimed at the naive-anthropological mindset but then it's still uncomfortably using those tropes
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 February 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
I think Eskimo may be a callback to this bit from the back cover of Meet the Residents:
Sankefinger returned to England to become a rock and roll star, and the Mysterious N. Senada, well, he just disappeared one day. The Residents have ventured to guess that he has probably gone to the arctic regions. He believes some musical link is hidden among the Eskimos of the frozen North.
― c u (crüt), Friday, 24 February 2023 15:27 (one year ago) link
(pardon the typos)
Yeah, look, I love The Residents and Eskimo in particular is an incredible album musically, but at best it is culturally insensitive. It's not racist in terms of them hating 'Eskimos' (itself an outdated term) but it is using the anthropological theme without any consideration for the peoples it refers to - it others and depersonalises them. Most people would consider that a form of racism.
― emil.y, Friday, 24 February 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link
otm, also thanks for that info crut
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 February 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link
I guess the part that made me most uncomfortable is at the end where the people start spouting commercial jingles. On the one hand, it's an acknowledgement of the devastating effect of white culture (connected to the liner note that nowadays they spend "most of the day watching reruns on TV"), but it's also a hopeless denial that any resistance is possible.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
At the risk of being accused of naïveté, is this ameliorated at all by the fact that the band, being anonymous, doesn't code as white?
well to me they clearly code as being from the South
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
is this more or less the same as groups like Sun City Girls or CAN dabbling in faux ethnography?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 24 February 2023 16:23 (one year ago) link
Basically all faux ethnography is super difficult to navigate imo. It can be illuminating in terms of how colonial history was manufactured, but who are you treading on to make your point? Whose real stories are you dismissing when you create imagined ones?
― emil.y, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link
Putting "Injuns" alongside farmyard animals in that Old Macdonald's Farm thing they do on the b-side of "Diskomo" has always made me cringe.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
sun city girls' name is bad enough
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link
it refers to Phoenix AZ, ffs
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link
I assumed it was a big black type thing
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
it refers to Phoenix AZ, ffs― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, February 24, 2023 10:30 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, February 24, 2023 10:30 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Specifically, Sun City is a planned retirement community outside of Phoenix where elderly folks ride around on golf carts. Calling yourself "Sun City Girls" is a "joke" about that
― intheblanks, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
What is the bad connotation of Sun City Girls?
― peace, man, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
sun city girls using their rich white dad's trust fund money to fly around to the middle east and north africa, recording radio stations and street musicians and releasing it for profit is a discussion to be had maybe. also one of the best bands of all time.
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
also im sure they didnt make much if any dough on those records but still
xp There is none, unless you believe they're named after the apartheid-era resort in South Africa, which they're not
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
― peace, man, Friday, February 24, 2023 1:33 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1200x675/p01gqz2v.jpg
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, February 24, 2023 12:36 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah but the brothers bishop are half-lebanese and sublime frequencies was co-founded by a north african man. also lmao at the idea that sublime frequencies is raking in the "profit"
― budo jeru, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
i know i said that!
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link
right, fair. i just i think it's important navigate this stuff carefully, as emil.y says, but i think it's also dicey to reflexively assume or suggest that rock bands who do this must be shitty white appropriators. there are multiple identities, techniques, and motivations at work
― budo jeru, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link
true!
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:00 (one year ago) link
idk it's more about class for me - ime most anyone doing mystical third world-isms comes from some kind of privilege or remove from on-the-ground reality. don't think it makes the art invalid but it's absolutely worth acknowledging / keeping in mind imo.
― ꙮ (map), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link
that's overreaching and tone deaf probably, going to stop posting in this thread now ha
― ꙮ (map), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:02 (one year ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, February 24, 2023 10:36 AM (twenty-six minutes ago)
one of the guys (not a Bishop) involved in this is Iraqi, his parents are both non-white Iraqi immigrants and I don't think they are rich ... like, his dad owned a convenience store (or two) in the same suburban county where Negativland are from
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, February 24, 2023 8:15 AM (two hours ago)
they were/are a San Francisco band ... one of the current members is from the South, but he was not in the band at the time of that album which was made several decades ago ...
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link
The giant eyeball with the blue iris scans as white to me
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link
i mean ... before Eskimo they did Third Reich and Roll ... it's of a different era. If you want to apply contemporary standards to older artwork ... I mean, that's what is going on here.
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link
Hey everybody. Go outside. The weather's nice.
― JackMyFruit, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link
oh i didn't know that, everything they do has that Southern drawl on it
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:39 (one year ago) link
it's cold and dark here, this has been a pretty measured conversation, thanks for your contribution tho
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link
lol it's 12 degrees and there's still 3 inches of ice on my driveway
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:42 (one year ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, February 24, 2023 2:39 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
They sound like Claypool, who is also from the Bay Area
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link
the sun just came out here ... before that it was raining and much colder, thank you jackmyfruit
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:45 (one year ago) link
the drawl doesn't sound Southern to me ... like, I wish I had studied linguistics more so that I can explain more clearly ... but there is a difference
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:48 (one year ago) link
Residents afaik were originally from Shreveport, Louisiana.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:49 (one year ago) link
Which if true makes sense. Louisiana "southern" doesn't sound like other southern.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 24, 2023 1:44 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah good point
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
yup - they began in Louisiana but have been in the Bay Area since the 60's so that makes them Bay Area
Just like Steve Miller & Boz Scaggs
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
people's accents don't magically change upon moving to the Bay Area ... so I think Dan wins.
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
er frogbs wins
there are people who have been here for over 20 years who still use the word "the" to refer to freeways ffs
― sarahell, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
a long time ago I was playing this song in my car without really thinking much about it other than that I liked it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmV3jrVXZ1o
and a friend got in and was like "I think this is racist"
and now after reading this convo and being reminded of that time, when I just looked up to see if they were attempting an actual cover (which they do with a bollywood track on the same album) or just making approximate noises I've found a thai version featuring a thai matishyahu type ska-reggae rapper w/ a handlebar moustache, and yeah it seems like they're just approximating sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzKyvHk4DU4
― Bongo Jongus, Friday, 24 February 2023 20:10 (one year ago) link
I'm snowed in rn btw
― Bongo Jongus, Friday, 24 February 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link
they were/are a San Francisco band ... one of the current members is from the South, but he was not in the band at the time of that album which was made several decades ago ..
Homer Flynn is from Louisiana, Hardy Fox was from East Texas. Those two were the main Residents. Jay Clem and John Kennedy were from Louisiana too and ca. "Eskimo", these four made up the Cryptic Corporation. Although they used various musicians over the years there's absolutely no doubt the core members of the Residents were from the South.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 24 February 2023 21:28 (one year ago) link
If you've heard any of them interviewed then I think any doubt that they are from the South would soon be dispelled!
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 24 February 2023 21:30 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5sXoo0N_0I
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 24 February 2023 21:32 (one year ago) link
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:33 (yesterday) link
Albini itself translates as small white or white diminutive doesn't it? So always wondered if the bandname was a pun on that.
― Stevo, Saturday, 25 February 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link
Albini himself also is white diminutive so ... fitting name lol
― sarahell, Saturday, 25 February 2023 21:49 (one year ago) link
Not so much "Is this racist" as "Look at this fuckin' racist," but Scott Adams has just had Dilbert dropped by a bunch of papers because of this
Scott Adams going full racist. Wonder how many newspapers will be running Dilbert comics on Sunday? pic.twitter.com/E0ZZMbmRTv— AskAubry 🦝 (@ask_aubry) February 25, 2023
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:26 (one year ago) link
good riddance
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:28 (one year ago) link
getting dropped by USA Today seems big, I hope it hurts him right in his bank account, the only thing that matters to him
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:29 (one year ago) link
Nothing but hate for this cunt
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:37 (one year ago) link
I noticed Dilbert went missing from the local paper today. Made me glad, even though the replacement strip was lousy. I stopped reading Dilbert some time last year as a conscious choice to stop exposing myself to Adams' rotted brain.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 26 February 2023 00:50 (one year ago) link
Argh I am pretty sure I have said this before but: I came from a newspapering family and I studied journalism and I worked at many newspapers (including being responsible for comic selection) and I married a very skilled journalist, etc. I spent four fifths of my life understanding the universe mainly through the funnies.
But even I have let most of my print subscriptions lapse or go digital. As a result, I do not know which comic strips are published and which are not.
Admittedly, Dilbert occasionally made me chuckle a few times during the previous century. But Adams now is one of the most garbagey of garbage humans. I don't even want to give him the satisfaction of canceling him so that he can whine about being canceled. Just, no. For me he no longer exists and I will no longer even bother to excoriate him because that would require acknowledging him and his racist sludge.
― nat king cole slaw (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 February 2023 03:43 (one year ago) link
Like he isn't even smart enough to just dog whistle, he just said racist shit, and then offered the hilarious defense that he had offered a message of respect earlier
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 February 2023 03:53 (one year ago) link
Emil.y OTM about Eskimo. It's pointedly critical of ethnography as a discipline- how ethnographers insist on establishing a living context only to construct a virtual one in its place; how they adopt analytical perspectives at odds with the people of another culture's outlook. It's very, very smart. It is conceptually complex and its presentation is quite detailed.
And yet for all that, it ultimately belongs to the same tradition of pop-orientalism as the Tiki Room at Disneyland. It's racist for sure. It takes an uncritical interest in that stuff and def 'codes white' along these lines.
OTOH Cochin Moon does something similar (and also makes a similar connection between the otherness of electronic sounds and an exotic landscape).
Holy shit @ Scott Adams
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 26 February 2023 04:58 (one year ago) link
Just saw that the LA Times is dropping Dilbert.
The Los Angeles Times has decided to cease publication of “Dilbert.” Cartoonist Scott Adams made racist comments in a YouTube livestream Feb. 22, offensive remarks that The Times rejects. It will be discontinued effective Monday in most editions.
― nickn, Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:31 (one year ago) link
lol cancelled
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:53 (one year ago) link
He's going to write a new comic called Wokebert
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 February 2023 06:05 (one year ago) link
He’ll end up at the Daily Wire or somewhere, and in an interview with Ben Shapiro or whoever he’ll explain with some exasperation that he was making a satirical response to a poll he found disturbing. The word “Swiftian” will be used.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 26 February 2023 06:10 (one year ago) link
Eat Scott Adams
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 February 2023 06:23 (one year ago) link
As much dumb sh1t Adams has said over the past 20 years, it took a while for him to finally completely self-immolate his career. Coming next exclusive to Fox Nation most likely…
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Sunday, 26 February 2023 13:09 (one year ago) link
He'll be fine financially so he's just playing to the chud audience now. Every denunciation he gets from sane people means he raises his profile amongst troglodytes.
So long as he wears our scorn as a badge of honor, and a sign that he's "over the target," I want to give him as little notice as possible, and yet every word I type about him is more fuel and alkjfsd;qoih3gggg!#@%^
― nat king cole slaw (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 February 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
I was at the top of the hidden posts section thinking “phew, this wasn’t bumped for Scott Adams” and then I got to the most recent posts
― castanuts (DJP), Sunday, 26 February 2023 18:44 (one year ago) link
There is also an Adams thread, also on fire lately. He's so horrible in so many ways but being racist is is most horrible horribleness so I guess it fits
― nat king cole slaw (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 February 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link
** Re: Rema-Rema cover photo, this page says it's a "George Rodger photo of Korongo Nuba tribesmen."
** Re: Sun City Girls' "Soi Cowboy" - the original is from Nok Lae (นกแล) (Discogs link) from the late '80s. Sublime Frequencies included most of it on "Radio Thailand" on the first half of the track titled "Rubber of High Quality" (on Bandcamp here). And here's a YouTube video of a lip-sync performance of that song (which is actually pretty adorable). The YouTube video that Bongo Jongus posted above is the same band, ~30 years later! I asked Alan Bishop about "Soi Cowboy" before a SCG show in 2004, and I remember him saying that they indeed just did a phonetic approximation of the lyrics.
― ernestp, Sunday, 26 February 2023 20:15 (one year ago) link
SCG pre formation band featured Moe Tucker. Paris 1942.Do hope their politics diverge quite heavily.
― Stevo, Sunday, 26 February 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link
soy cowboy wojak
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 26 February 2023 22:20 (one year ago) link
Mark: The title Wheel In The Roses was Max's, the sleeve was Mick's. He owned The Last Of The Nuba [a photographic book by Leni Riefenstahl']. The image was intense, there was something in those eyes, an energy, that fitted.
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 February 2023 07:14 (one year ago) link
And now Adams has been dropped by his distributor.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/media/dilbert-distributor-scott-adams/index.html
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 February 2023 19:04 (one year ago) link
And by his agent and publisher for non-Dilbert stuff...
My publisher for non-Dilbert books has canceled my upcoming book and the entire backlist. Still no disagreement about my point of view. My book agent canceled me too.— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) February 27, 2023
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 February 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link
he could just fuck off to a mansion on a private beach and invite a couple friends over and say dumb things to them for the rest of his life in peace
― z_tbd, Monday, 27 February 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link
sorry, just realized i made the thread worse by talking about him
― z_tbd, Monday, 27 February 2023 19:08 (one year ago) link
I love the "Still no disagreement about my point of view" as if "we are washing our hands of you because of the thing you said" doesn't count as disagreeing
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 27 February 2023 19:08 (one year ago) link
Well, no one has expressed an interest in *voice coming from a yawning open grave* debating him, so clearly he's right.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 February 2023 19:10 (one year ago) link
Uh ...
GEMTECH innovation, Smith & Wesson manufacturing. pic.twitter.com/BuXFvvU1WP— Smith & Wesson Inc. (@Smith_WessonInc) February 27, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 February 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link
xp - What's amazing is that the supportive responses to his tweet are, almost without exception, from idiots that pay for twitter.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 27 February 2023 19:13 (one year ago) link
Adams' whole thing is so stupid because it all hinges on the "text vs. subtext" thing that even 3rd graders can understand. it was the same stupid argument that came about when "All Lives Matter" was a thing, or when white supremacists kept flashing the "OK" sign, they clearly do know how this works but I guess you have to be as dense as Scott Adams to think that nobody else in the world does. no wonder he fancies himself a "master persuader"
― frogbs, Monday, 27 February 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link
S&W+PB thing is pretty fucked btw, though tbh I have no idea if that's abnormal for gun manufacturers
― rob, Monday, 27 February 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link
S&W tweet has been deleted (tho of course easily findable). Surprised they actually care enough to delete it tbh. I feel like "arming you for the coming race war" has been part of the Big Gun marketing pitch for decades.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 February 2023 19:51 (one year ago) link
PB is a designated terrorist group in Canada fwiw
― rob, Monday, 27 February 2023 19:54 (one year ago) link
Noodle Vague wrote:
Thanks for the quote. I did some digging, and it gets interesting, as the photo in question was indeed included in Riefenstahl's 1973 book, but she didn't take the photo, George Rodger did in 1949. (Plenty of sources on the web - here's one, here's another. Aside: I just realized that the first photo on the 1st linked site was used for the 1st Guadalcanal Diary album cover...)
This page says: ...a note on the dustjacket of Riefenstahl’s first book, The Last of The Nuba (1973) credits Rodger’s work for inspiring her: “The author was so fascinated by this photograph taken by the famous English photographer George Rodger [he was a Scot] that for years she tried to find the Nuba in order to study the life of these primitive people.”
Also: For a film project she was planning, Riefenstahl had offered Rodger £1,000 to tell her where he had found the Nuba. With the memories of Belsen-Bergen still fresh in his mind, Rodger refused, but she embarked on the project anyway, which left Rodger extremely bitter.
So regarding the subject of the photo itself: In Korongo Nuba wrestling, the champion is carried on the shoulders of the defeated party in what's known as "the chairing of the victor."
― ernestp, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:26 (one year ago) link
they PUT IT BACK UP
GEMTECH® innovation, Smith & Wesson® manufacturing. Perce|eption Brand creates apparel + goods for the tactical athlete. https://t.co/1RDzgMQ6uz pic.twitter.com/7rQ4s478Zl— Smith & Wesson Inc. (@Smith_WessonInc) February 27, 2023
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 02:44 (one year ago) link
Purseeeepshun brand?
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 02:55 (one year ago) link
"Veteran owned" Perceeption Brand is definitely not a nudge-wink-nod to the Proud Boys AT ALL, why is it always about race with you people.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 03:42 (one year ago) link
apart from the guns, the dude in the pic doesn't seem to be packing much below the belt ... idk
― sarahell, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 04:02 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV2Aj45WxRA
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 04:14 (one year ago) link
Aldows Hooxlay's Dours of Perceeption
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 05:08 (one year ago) link
Another for the "This IS Racist" files:
https://heartlandsignal.com/2023/04/17/fbi-investigating-gop-okla-officials-caught-on-tape-talking-about-lynching-black-people-murdering-newspaper-reporters/
Using spoiler tags here because it is very blatant and disgusting:
GOP officials from McCurtain County, Okla. are being investigated by the FBI after they were caught on tape expressing their frustration about it not being socially acceptable beat up and hang Black people, as well as their desires to hire hitmen to kill newspaper reporters.
The audio was published by print-only newspaper McCurtain Gazette-News, and it released transcript of a recording from a county commissioners meeting last month to the public that allegedly incriminates several public officials after disturbing comments were made. The full audio recording from Gazette-News reporter Bruce Willingham will be released by the newspaper at a later date.
After hundreds came out in protest, Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) has called for the resignation of McCurtain County Sheriff Kevin Clardy (R), District 2 Commissioner Mark Jennings (R), Investigator Alicia Manning and Jail Administrator Larry Hendrix for their comments in the meeting. District 3 Commissioner Robert Beck (R) is also cited in the audio.
The transcript suggests that the group first started discussing a recent fire which killed a woman and her two dogs. The group joked about the woman’s body parts falling off her body, and that it is similar to eating barbecue.
“So we get her in the body bag and Kyler goes, ‘You do know what we gotta do right?’ Faith goes, ‘No, what?’ He goes, ‘You gotta pre-heat the oven 350 degrees, leave her in there for 15 minutes,’” said Clardy.
Later in the transcript, Jennings and Clardy had a racist exchange and went back and forth about society making it unacceptable to lynch Black people.
“I’m gonna tell you something. If it was back in the day, when that when Alan Marshton would take a damn Black guy and whoop their ass and throw him in the cell? I’d run for f—ing sheriff,” Jennings said.
After Clardy said things aren’t like that anymore, Jennings continued.
“I know. Take them down to Mud Creek and hang them up with a damn rope. But you can’t do that anymore. They got more rights than we got.”
Jennings supposedly went on to say that he knows of two large pre-dug holes “if you ever need them,” referring to disposing the remains of Bruce Willingham and his son, Chris, also a Gazette-News reporter. Jennings also said that he knows of “two or three hit men, they’re very quiet guys.”
Manning chimed in and claimed nobody would care if two of the Gazette-News’ reporters were harmed. “Yeah, but here’s the reality,” Manning allegedly said. “If a hair on his wife’s head, Chris Willingham’s head, or any of those people that really were behind that, if any hair on their head got touched by anybody, who would be the bad guy?”
The trio was supposedly frustrated with the Gazette-News portraying the sheriff’s office unfavorably in their reporting.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 12:20 (eleven months ago) link
Fuck. I forgot about the paragraph spoiler tag issue.
Apologies, I've only just realised this Tweet dropped the R/T so will make no sense to some of you. s pic.twitter.com/Ru5oMqllz8— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) June 17, 2023
I think we are way beyond the Tebbit test now, thankfully. People of Indian origin (my children included) can support India and are no less English on account of it. Anyone who thinks this impulse is Tebbit-like has misunderstood.— Philip Collins (@PhilipJCollins1) June 17, 2023
I kind of want to defend Collins here, a little bit? In that this is obviously an unwise and insensitive thing for him to tweet, but part of this is that a joke might read one way when shared between Collins and his British-Indian kids at home reads differently when put on twitter by a white political journalist without any additional context, and that's what has happened here, rather than Collins revealing his personal bigotry (and indirectly the bigotry of Keir Starmer's Labour party), which is how most of twitter seems to be interpreting it.
Collins said elsewhere that he counts himself as a fan of the Indian cricket team - the way I read his original tweet is that him and his family are all supporters of the Indian cricket team, and see themselves as part of a community of 'supporters of the Indian cricket team in Britain' which Collins is conflating with 'the British Indian community' (maybe presumptuously/insensitively, but there has to be a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram), Collins identifies Sunak as a fellow member of this community due to his Indian heritage (I think Sunak's wife is Indian also, as in 'born and raised in India' Indian) and is jokingly chiding him for being insufficiently fanatical about the Indian cricket team by showing an interest in the ashes, a contest that India is not involved in (people on twitter objecting that there's no contradiction between supporting England in the ashes and also supporting the Indian cricket team, yes of course, that's the joke, he jokingly ribbing him for not meeting a level of Indian cricket team support that he knows himself is ridiculous - he does actually think Sunak is a disgrace)
Obviously a white men telling a South Asian man that that he's a disgrace for supporting/not supporting a particular national team on the basis of his ethnic background is going to get people's backs up, regardless of whether or not it is done in a joking way, and it was a stupid mistake for Collins to post that to twitter, but people are reading it as him saying that Sunak is not "one of us", when I think in context he actually means the opposite, the joke relies on Collins seeing himself and Sunak as part of the same community in a way. Is there such a thing as a 'British-Indian community' that includes Philip Collins as a white man who is married to a British-Indian woman and has kids with Indian heritage? There's maybe not a clear-cut yes or no answer to that question, but a blanket 'no' has depressing implications. I know there's a left-wing critique of sentimentality about multiculturalism - that it obscures real injustices and power relations behind mushy feel-good images of people of different colours and creeds being nice to each other etc - but I do find something quite sweet about the image of Collins and his kids all cheering for India together, bonding over both being part of a wider group together. But I think this is what Collins was trying to get at, that he's a white guy who supports India and Sunak is a brown guy who supports England, and this is maybe the opposite of what someone might initially assume at first glance, and isn't all this rather wonderful, that we're in a mixed modern Britain where these boundaries and allegiances are no so clear cut etc - this is possibly more mushiness that obscures the real power relations and possibly my own complacent white sentimentality, idk. But it's the opposite of the 'English are English and Indians are Indian, and these colours don't run, and that's how it should be' attitude that people are attributing to him.
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:19 (nine months ago) link
that's fair, up to a point, but Collins has had all day to make a similar argument and looks too stupid/partisan to make it
― two grills one tap (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:23 (nine months ago) link
I don't care much for Collins, but I think it's reasonable to think that defending yourself on twitter is a doomed venture, particularly when there are a lot of people who are very much not inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, and the best move is maybe to switch your phone of and wait for the hubbub to die down a bit
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:27 (nine months ago) link
Is there such a thing as a 'British-Indian community' that includes Philip Collins as a white man who is married to a British-Indian woman and has kids with Indian heritage?
― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:31 (nine months ago) link
i don't think correcting yourself when you've said something offensive is about winning over people who don't like you, it's about going on record as saying "i fucked up". so i don't see "not worth arguing with the angry mob" as an excuse for not publicly acknowledging your offence and trying to apologise
kind of similar situation with the Margaret Hodge racism speech that's been revived this week - people saying "oh you've taken her words out of context" but refusing to think about whether context gets you off the hook for repeating racist tropes
― two grills one tap (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:38 (nine months ago) link
I am married to someone who is British Asian and I would never consider myself part of the community in a speaking of it sense, what the fuck is this post― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Saturday, 17 June 2023 18:31 (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
what do you mean 'in a speaking of it sense'? If you mean that being a white person married to British Asian doesn't mean that it's a good idea to go on twitter and start posting stuff with an implicit 'as a member of the British Asian community' then I agree, that would be crass and offensive, and something to apologise for (and I think Collins should apologise, if that wasn't clear), if you're white you are obviously in a different position than someone who is British Asian themselves, and should remember that and keep it in mind when speaking in public. But someone has married into a British Asian family, it seems inaccurate to say that they are in no way part of a British Asian community, a semi-detached part maybe, but still a part
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:48 (nine months ago) link
But he’s not. I’m not. And it absolutely does matter that he feels comfortable making a joke like that. Sunak’s a cunt but his background is his, and regardless of how Collins feels about how close he is to the community, he’s never had to have his citizenship or commitment to the country questioned just because of his background. He’s never had to think about that for a second. That’s why he made the joke he did.
― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:56 (nine months ago) link
Heard he broke up with his wife by fax
― Toploader on the road, unite and take over (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 18 June 2023 05:34 (nine months ago) link
Oh, think twice, 'cause it's another day for you and me in paradise
― calzino, Sunday, 18 June 2023 12:32 (nine months ago) link
I had blessedly never even heard of this Richard Hanania guy until reading this, but this is a good investigative piece on his wildly racist prior writings. This is a guy who's guest lecturing at Stanford this fall and has been embraced by Thiel et al.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/richard-hanania-white-supremacist-pseudonym-richard-hoste_n_64c93928e4b021e2f295e817
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 5 August 2023 23:06 (seven months ago) link
lol here's Hanania's explanation/quasi-apology — you'll never guess, it's all the liberals' fault.
First, there was the desire to just adopt a posture that was the polar opposite of those I considered political enemies. So if liberals lied a lot about race, I needed to speak “harsh truths,” without much careful thinking about whether I was actually getting at truth or simply being similarly dogmatic.
(not linking to the full thing but easy to find if you're so inclined)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 August 2023 03:09 (seven months ago) link
Is it racist to wear Under Armour?
vibes seem weird on that brand
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:20 (six months ago) link
I thought there was some Trump/Under Armour connection, so ... probably.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:22 (six months ago) link
You want weird vibes, Lululemon oozes weird vibes. Some sort of Ayn Rand shit going on with them. (Though if you google it, every result seems to be from 2011.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:24 (six months ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Kevin_Plank_headshot_2018.png
― Left, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:25 (six months ago) link
His father was a prominent Maryland land developer. His mother is a former mayor of Kensington, who went on to direct the Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs at the United States Department of State under President Ronald Reagan.
Plank sat on Trump's American Manufacturing Council. He stepped down from the council following Trump's comments on violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, saying Under Armour "engages in innovation and sports, not politics"
― Left, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:27 (six months ago) link
Wilson created the name to have many 'L's so that it would sound western to Japanese buyers, who often have difficulty pronouncing the letter, and that the name otherwise "means nothing". He later remarked that he found it "funny to watch [Japanese speakers] try and say it"
― Left, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:29 (six months ago) link
In the book titled Little Black Stretchy Pants, Wilson wrote that he is not necessarily opposed to child labor, as "working young is excellent training for life."
― Left, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:32 (six months ago) link
ums it looks like Underarmour may have made an aboutface, CEO left recently but also apologized 6 years ago
https://www.yahoo.com/video/misty-copeland-hard-balance-to-retain-ties-with-company-whose-ceo-supports-trump-121144433.html
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:33 (six months ago) link
he seems like a playing both sides type who would have been happy with trump going full hitler if it didn't affect his bottom line
― Left, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:38 (six months ago) link
no fan of woke capitalism but if we can knock some more of these polo shirts off their perches that would be something
― Left, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:41 (six months ago) link
Lululemon's founder Chip Wilson is a piece of garbage (but left the company around 10 years ago I think)
― symsymsym, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:26 (six months ago) link
My wife was born in Colombia, but her father's family is Sicilian. She looks racially/ethnically ambiguous enough that throughout our life together she's been ID'd by strangers as Latin (other Latin folks used to speak Spanish to her before English, or come up and ask her to translate/help with a situation with a non-Spanish-speaking cashier or postal clerk), Asian, and even Inuit. Sometimes, if she feels like fucking with people who speak to her in Spanish, she'll respond in Italian or German. Anyway, several times since we've moved to Montana she's been presumed to be Native, including by actual Natives who have given her a surprised look at seeing her with me, or just offered a nod of solidarity in the grocery store. Today, I was picking up burgers from a bar in town and when I got back to the car, she told me that while she was waiting for me, two white girls walked past and one of them said to the other, "That Native lady's listening to Judas Priest!" This cracked my wife up, both because she didn't realize the music was so clearly audible outside the car and because of the shock in the white girl's voice.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 25 November 2023 20:10 (four months ago) link
i have to say i don't love the increasingly common term "street tacos" for....actual tacos
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:34 (one month ago) link
Start making "corporate tacos" stick
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:37 (one month ago) link
do you mean calling tacos that are cooked and sold on the street “street tacos” instead of “tacos”
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:40 (one month ago) link
street food is a huge culture in mexico/so cal
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link
cultural thing*
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/apparel/rcxgs/tile._CB483369110_.gif
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:43 (one month ago) link
I just encountered this yesterday. It's absolutely trying to be a signifier of authenticity.
If the tacos are served out of a truck parked on a street, then it is a street taco. Otherwise, probably not.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:43 (one month ago) link
Old El Paso and Mission are selling "Street Taco" shells and tortillas
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:44 (one month ago) link
it's one of those things to hook people who would never try anything approximating an authentic street taco, but will enjoy the fuck out of whatever bastardized version a chain puts out so they can claim "I've totally had street tacos before" and sound cool and adventurous to their friends.
Tijuana Flats had them for a little while, and they were bullshit. I had one. it was just like having one of their regular tacos on a corn tortilla, had way too much filling (I could have customized it to have less but I didn't sue me). I preferred to go to my local taqueria which has amazing tacos. (we don't have a lot of good taquerias in Orlando but there's one in question that is amazing)
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:45 (one month ago) link
You can buy Gluten-Free Street Taco Beef Jerky
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link
I've also seen random snack food called "Street Mix"
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:47 (one month ago) link
I'm sorry it's actually "Street Corn"
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/de5c90_b30947400c774bb8ad101955fa9b14ad~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_420,h_420,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/de5c90_b30947400c774bb8ad101955fa9b14ad~mv2.png
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:49 (one month ago) link
Technically, roadkill is street food
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:50 (one month ago) link
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, February 21, 2024 11:44 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
seeing ortega "street taco" sauce in the grocery store is what prompted the revive actually
my corn didn't grow up in a fancy field, it came up on the streets
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:51 (one month ago) link
street food is when you eat pieces of gravel
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:51 (one month ago) link
An ear that grew from concrete
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:56 (one month ago) link
There's a dude in my town who used to operate a truck, but recently took over a bar/restaurant, and his menu still advertises "street tacos." I'm inclined to grandfather him in because the tacos are exactly the same, but...
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:58 (one month ago) link
street tacos are where you eat tacos with bits of grandfather in them
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:59 (one month ago) link
Street Tacos are made from ground UK rapper meat
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:03 (one month ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geophagia?wprov=sfla1
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:24 (one month ago) link
the best eaten-while-using-a-stranger's-car-as-a-table tacos in my neighborhood moved from a stand inside a minimart to a storeroom that they cut a hole in the outside wall of, which I enjoy referring to as "window tacos" #ally #partoftheproblem
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:24 (one month ago) link
Sic, would you say the tacos are glorious?
If so...
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:31 (one month ago) link
I was just at H-Mart, and they had a "Korean Street Food" section. I usually take it to mean a combination of "authentic" and "comfort food."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:42 (one month ago) link
i welcome tacos of any origin
― c u (crüt), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:45 (one month ago) link
Crut, are you familiar with "Cucaracho Taco," a supremely weird track. I vaguely remember that it was on the soundtrack of an 80s movie. Something like Blue Velvet or Yahoo Serious, I don't remember and don't have the time or energy to research it. Anyway, here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6hFjqrOQE4
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 19:38 (one month ago) link
whither the street choco taco
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 19:54 (one month ago) link
Funny you should mention it!! This was just announced a couple of days ago:
Big news - the Choco Taco is coming back. Taco Bell and ice cream maker Salt and Straw are teaming up to bring back a version of the discontinued dessert taco this summer. The new treat will feature a waffle cone filled with cinnamon ancho chile ice cream dipped in chocolate and topped with toasted brown rice. Choco Taco's owner Klondike says it's working up a plan to bring the original taco back, but good things take time.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link
I'm not sure 'street tacos' is racist, just opportunist... remember when everything was 'artisanal', even McDonald's buns? This is the same thing, hollow marketing bullshit
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:03 (one month ago) link
lol McDonald's "chicken selects", aka chicken that tastes more like chicken
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:06 (one month ago) link
Around here we have more Street Gyros
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:07 (one month ago) link
'Street tacos' applied to corporate chain restaurant or supermarket products is just as irritating and nonsensical as you say it is, ums. But street food is so widespread in so many cultures that appropriating the 'street' descriptor alone as another piece of marketing bullshit can't be tagged as specifically racist against any one culture. As for cultural appropriation as applied specifically to tacos, it feels like that pony escaped from the barn at least 70 years ago and it's probably too late to think about closing the barn door now.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:30 (one month ago) link
You know what they call street tacos on the street?Tacos.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:32 (one month ago) link
Yup.. Every U.S. town over 10K now has a 'food truck Fridays' event, this is just the big corp food following trends.. they'll eventually move onto something else, or maybe circle back to 'dolphin safe'
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:34 (one month ago) link
Dolphin Tacos
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 21:23 (one month ago) link
Dolphin safe eord
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 21:27 (one month ago) link
Dolphin safe word
Was what I meant to type
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 21:29 (one month ago) link
I put it on this thread genuinely asking "is this racist?" because I thought it could go either way, but it feels borderline sometimes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 21:53 (one month ago) link
Big news - the Choco Taco is coming back. Taco Bell and ice cream maker Salt and Straw are teaming up to bring back a version of the discontinued dessert taco this summer. The new treat will feature a waffle cone filled with cinnamon ancho chile ice cream dipped in chocolate and topped with toasted brown rice. Choco Taco's owner Klondike says it's working up a plan to bring the original taco back, but good things take time. ― Josh in Chicago
― Josh in Chicago
SALT AND STRAW?
this is why i only go to Cloud City
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 21:56 (one month ago) link
and yes food trucks are huge now that all of the actual food truck carts have been closed to make way for high-rise hotels for "business travelers"
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 21:57 (one month ago) link
choco tacos were so good
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 22:01 (one month ago) link
back to "street tacos", in the recent regional hot dog poll there was some white-washed appropriation of California's signature hot dog being a "LA Street Dog (bacon wrapped with grilled onions, jalapenos, bell peppers)" which I remarked with disdain is straight from Northern Mexico (Tijuana, Hermosillo, et al).
...all that said if you say "street tacos" to me I infer 2 smaller than average size* tortillas topped with fresh chopped veg/herbs and/or meat + salsa cooked on a mobile/portable flattop and I don't think it's necessarily racist because it's a bit of a different size*/style you'd get in a brick+mortar taqueria. More of a snack than a meal.
*~~10cm vs. 15cm (regular corn tortilla)
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 22:12 (one month ago) link
in my little corner of the midwest it seems to mean like actual tacos not the seasoned hardshell/ground beef/iceberg lettuce/chopped tomatos/taco sauce Taco Bell type tacos
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 22:22 (one month ago) link
they're called "street tacos" in order to differentiate them from "drag tacos"
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 22:30 (one month ago) link
This is exactly right, but the guy I mentioned earlier sells them in groups of 4 so it's very much a meal.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 22:30 (one month ago) link
Is This Racist?
― pplains, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 23:23 (one month ago) link
hi pp!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 23:41 (one month ago) link
i mean tbf hardshell tacos are the standard taco in this context, i wouldn't call them non-actual tacos
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 22 February 2024 00:04 (one month ago) link
Everything sounds more authentic if you put Street in front of it. For instance, a hassle is when you get put on hold trying to make an eye exam appointment. But a Street Hassle…
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 February 2024 00:10 (one month ago) link
It’s a useful shorthand for ‘smaller, greasier, soft corn, never chicken, served in multiples.’
“Street taco sauce” is dumb though.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 22 February 2024 00:10 (one month ago) link
Ordering Calle Asada next time I'm downtown.
(and btw, borderlines and upper mizz are two of my favorite things.)
― pplains, Thursday, 22 February 2024 03:33 (one month ago) link
<3 it's always nice to see you pop up on ol' ilx
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 February 2024 03:42 (one month ago) link
hardshell tacos are the standard tacoIs This Racist?
― bae (sic), Thursday, 22 February 2024 05:18 (one month ago) link
i said "in this context" for the love of god
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 22 February 2024 05:22 (one month ago) link
the context of a midwestern american mexican restaurant where they list "street tacos" as a menu item
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 22 February 2024 05:23 (one month ago) link
context sounds kinda racist tbf
― bae (sic), Thursday, 22 February 2024 08:54 (one month ago) link
i don't think you know what you're talking about tbf
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 22 February 2024 13:54 (one month ago) link
are nachos racist?
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:07 (one month ago) link
sorry, that was rude of me. i'm just thinking of specific restaurants where i live that do this that are owned by mexican-american immigrants.
tbh i personally don't value "authenticity" in food, if people want to put sugar in their cornbread i will still eat the shit out of it
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:09 (one month ago) link
I can't recall the last time I encountered, let alone ate, hard shell tacos.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:11 (one month ago) link
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, February 22, 2024 9:07 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
They were created by a Mexican restauranteur, Ignacio Anaya.
― peace, man, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:13 (one month ago) link
Sorry, he was maitre d' at the time, but owned a restaurant later in life.
― peace, man, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:14 (one month ago) link
In 1943, a group of American women whose husbands were stationed at an airbase nearby visited the restaurant, but Garcia couldn’t find a chef. So he whipped up a snack with whatever he could find in the kitchen, which turned out to be tortilla chips and melted Wisconsin cheddar, Google said.Like anyone who’s ever eaten nachos, his customers left extremely satisfied.When he died in 1975, Piedras Negras honored him with a bronze plaque and declared October 21 to be International Day of the Nacho.Nachos became a sports stadium favorite in 1976, according to Smithsonian Magazine, when a man named Frank Liberto created a “pumpable” version of the liquidy cheese to easily dispense over chips.Liberto’s “cheese sauce” is a bit more processed than Garcia’s original, but Garcia encouraged change. He refused to patent his recipe, Google says.
Like anyone who’s ever eaten nachos, his customers left extremely satisfied.
When he died in 1975, Piedras Negras honored him with a bronze plaque and declared October 21 to be International Day of the Nacho.
Nachos became a sports stadium favorite in 1976, according to Smithsonian Magazine, when a man named Frank Liberto created a “pumpable” version of the liquidy cheese to easily dispense over chips.
Liberto’s “cheese sauce” is a bit more processed than Garcia’s original, but Garcia encouraged change. He refused to patent his recipe, Google says.
lol, "google says"
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:27 (one month ago) link
lol. But ok, that seems to come from an article about the Google Doodle about Ignacio. So many layers, like a well constructed plate of nachos.
― peace, man, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:57 (one month ago) link
Ha, I didn't even consider that. Google as two different literal sources.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:00 (one month ago) link
I do. It was a couple months ago in New Mexico, where hard shell tacos are not only popular, but standard afaict.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:03 (one month ago) link
I don't think "street tacos" is a racist term but i do think it's intended for an audience who is not taco-literate
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:04 (one month ago) link
they're not realllllly 'standard' here but they are pretty common (and delicious!)
― gbx, Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:37 (one month ago) link
no hard tacos anywhere in Oregon that I have seen
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:39 (one month ago) link
probably bc oregon isn't in the southwest? gbx is more informed than i am; i only know that i ordered tacos two times in rural New Mexico and was served delicious crunchy hard shell tacos.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link
makes sense!
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:50 (one month ago) link
We make hard tacos at home but order soft tacos from outside.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link
New Mexico is sort of known for its own distinctive fusion take on Mexican, right? Just like Texas. Checking out wiki adds this little tidbit of data:
"Taco – a corn tortilla fried into a trough shape, it is filled with meats or beans, and fresh chopped lettuce, onions, tomatoes, and cheese.
The term can also refer to the soft, rolled flour-tortilla variety popularized by fast-food chains (a soft taco), and the flat, unfried corn style favored in Mexico (a "street taco"), but most corn tortillas for tacos are fried in New Mexican cuisine."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:55 (one month ago) link
At least around here (so I presume in Mexico as well) you would never put lettuce or tomatoes on a taco.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 15:57 (one month ago) link
the tacos at el parasol (small local chain) are fried hardshell and i love them
also i think hardshells are not uncommon in parts of mexico, tacos dorados
― gbx, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:00 (one month ago) link
exactly the opposite in my kitchen -- i make tacos at least 3x/week but they are always corn tortilla with whatever available filling i happen to have. the only real taco tragedy here are tortillas that haven't been toasted and are functionally raw. no thx.
either way it seems to me that 'street tacos' are a term to help the taco-illiterate distinguish between types of tortilla before ordering them at a restaurant
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:01 (one month ago) link
xpost Aka as flautas.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:01 (one month ago) link
Meanwhile, deviating from Thursday taco talk:
Joe Biden's America... pic.twitter.com/7CLTCafNwM— House Republicans (@HouseGOP) February 22, 2024
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:22 (one month ago) link
First reply rules:
And yet y’all made Jesus white so what’s your point— D2 - Duan Dempsey (@duandempsey) February 22, 2024
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link
New man on the Woke A.I. Vikings
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:26 (one month ago) link
I wonder if there's any huge pop culture phenomenon that could have caused an A.I. image scraper to link dark skin and the phrase "founding fathers"...? nahhhh
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:47 (one month ago) link
Oh no, don't ask it for a picture of a mermaid
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link
history messin'
― gbx, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:52 (one month ago) link
History messin' is the best part of this. It sounds exactly like a stinger that Kelly would be say at the bottom of one of those Onion cartoons.
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:55 (one month ago) link
HISTORYMESSIN’
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:15 (one month ago) link
Josh: at my nearest taqueria, "Mexican style" is their shorthand for saying that you only want onion, cilantro, and lime juice.
Their approach is generally Yucatecan, I think, but they'll make you an "American style" with lettuce and tomato.
I don't think I have had a hard-shell taco since maybe 1985 (Old El Paso, from the grocery store). So I guess for me, all tacos are soft tacos. As a result, I stopped saying "soft tacos." I just call them tacos. "Street tacos" is nonsense because I will happily eat a taco in any location.
"Street corn" is another matter. One can just say esquites if that's what you mean.
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:15 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhNGr_D2J9k
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:17 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpBHc8px_U
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:18 (one month ago) link
whew, order restored
https://i.imgur.com/eGiLH59.png
― omar little, Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link
Lionel Messin'
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:25 (one month ago) link
sleep that's where I'm a woke AI Viking
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link
Sheer brilliance.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 February 2024 18:07 (one month ago) link
at my nearest taqueria, "Mexican style" is their shorthand for saying that you only want onion, cilantro, and lime juice.
see what's funny is that in my experience, this is what you should get when you order a street taco, and what the taco trucks near me in Oakland used to sell as "tacos." Usually would come with a nice little bag of escabeche, too.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 February 2024 18:21 (one month ago) link
my god an image of a "founding father" that isn't congruent with the historical fact that america was foundationally a white supremacist ethnostate centered around on race-based chattel slavery
also wtf is with those fingers lol
re: woman pope - did anyone else grow up hearing the anti-catholic "pope joan" myth? it's so fucking grand guignol. if i didn't know any better i would've thought antonin artaud came up with it.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 22 February 2024 18:33 (one month ago) link
Some versions of the legend suggest that subsequent popes were subjected to an examination whereby, having sat on a so-called sedia stercoraria or 'dung chair' containing a hole, a cardinal had to reach up and establish that the new pope had testicles before announcing "Duos habet et bene pendentes" ("He has two and they dangle nicely"),[17] or "habet" ("he has them") for short.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 February 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link
Black Vikings sounds like a terrible British current wave of post-punk band name
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 22 February 2024 18:53 (one month ago) link
AI should stick to its intended purpose: Making ahegao hentai of the Wild Thornberries
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 February 2024 19:00 (one month ago) link
Okay but are they fucking the animals or each other
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Friday, 23 February 2024 12:39 (one month ago) link
the AIristocrats!
― memphis milano: the new trend of the 80s (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 February 2024 12:57 (one month ago) link
What would be in a cocktail called the Black Viking?
2oz blackstrap rum (black)1/2 oz lime (for scurvy)1/2 oz Cherry Heering float (blood)rub rim with honey (Mead)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 February 2024 13:27 (one month ago) link