Spider-Man 4 (reboot thread) -- aka The Amazing Spider-Man

As I don't think there was one on its own yet. Anyway, the main villain = Rhys Ifans playing...somebody.

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I doubt this movie will be as emo and depressing as the actual Garfield on the Town, btw.

Depends on how well nu-Spidey can dance.

They should just retitle this Annoying Britishers and be done with it.

i'm probably the only one who actually thought the dance sequence from Spider-Man 3 was the highlight of the movie

No, I'm with you there.

No, I agree! xp

i dunno how to be appropriately cynical to post to this thread... can't really get my head around how this movie is getting made

i dream of a world without rhys ifans

I share your dream, DG. Now and forever.

Reboot? More like re-poot!

i don't get why they're rebooting this series. it isn't like, say, batman, where it had been nearly 20 years since the good installments of the original movie franchise. and it isn't like, say, the hulk, where the makers of the reboot (and i guess a lot of other observers?) said the first version was bad and didn't do justice to the story/character, which justifies making the reboot so close in time to the original.

this is just strange, and stranger if the villain is rehashed from the recent franchise, too (isn't that the case with the goblin character?).

be original! make a live-action movie version of peanuts, with a lunatic serial killer replacing lucy as the antagonist for charlie brown. or something.

I'd be more partial to a rebooting of the Mighty Ducks to where it's a 3 hour dramatic epic about a kid who is kidnapped at the age of 4 and eventually escapes at age 11 by using a hockey stick that was in the captor's garage, and lives nomadically and uses the hockey stick for protection, and then as a result he joins the local soccer team WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS DARK SECRET and becomes a star goalie.

and the name of that local soccer team was.... Manchester United

I guess being that I gave him a hockey stick, it woulda made logical sense that he join a hockey team.

Maybe that's my M. Night Shalamayan twist....

time is right for a gritty christopher nolan reboot of Hagar the Horrible imho, would love to see what it would be like if vikings were 'real'

They should just retitle this Annoying Britishers and be done with it.

tbf i think it will annoy other ppl as well

You just had to use the word "viking" on ILE. Have we learned nothing?

I hope we finally find out how he became "Spider-Man."

lol

hopefully there will be an extended 40 minute sequence where Spiderman forgoes his do-gooding to use his Spidy powers to pick up chicks in bars

Best idea yet

http://media.tumblr.com/FRBmXBm6ybs9epkehSutf2sN_500.jpg

http://venturebrosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/spider-guy-and-venture.jpg

I would much rather see a Brown Widow movie tbh.

http://venturebrosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/spider-guy-and-venture.jpg
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okay Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy has made me re-interested in this

She can't save this trainwreck, but I do like her.

skip the movie, wait for the gifs

why isn't she mary jane ffs

Well, Gwen comes before Mary Jane, so if they're doing a "proper" reboot it makes sense.

Also she's a good candidate to play a cute science geek; the thing that struck me about her performance in "Easy A" was how effortlessly she portrayed the relatable smart girl.

the way these things usually work tho she'll be just hanging around in the background as fanservice

They're certainly not going to kill her off like they did in the comics SPOILER ALERT.

They should just start the reboot series at Peter Parker's birth, then have two or three movies about his childhood and adolescence before they even bring up the Spider-Man shit

movie should just be about aunt may's childhood in 1920s brooklyn

needs to be called Spider-Man Reborn: Legend of the Lost Secret

I hope we finally find out how he became "Spider-Man."

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, October 11, 2010 5:45 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

hahaha

Some website is claiming an EXCLUSIVE that Rhys Ifans is going to play The Lizard, but I haven't seen it confirmed anyplace.

isn't rhys ifans the lead singer of super-furry-animals?

That would be one slow-moving lizard.

Is there a thread for the doomed Bono/Edge Broadway musical? Shit just gets funnier and funnier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/05/theater/05spiderman.html

The delay came as a sharp disappointment, for instance, to Samuel Moulton, a Harvard University lecturer who had bought tickets for Nov. 14 as the high point of a New York getaway with his girlfriend, who is flying over from England.

“She’s a big theater fan, and I’m a big U2 fan, so this seemed like the perfect convergence of interests,” Mr. Moulton said. “There’s too much planning required to rebook. I’m just annoyed that they couldn’t decide all of this earlier, since it seems obvious that this show would be a technical monster.”

man, i hope they find something else to do

Is that the article that references some giant unproven human slingshot device that thus far has seriously injured two actor/dancer/flyers after propelling them into the lip of the stage? And also the producers' apparent shock that all of the stunt and effects sequences need to be formally inspected for safety, not just some of them?

All this work, and it's a friggin' "Spider-Man" musical. With songs from U2. I can't wait for them to do a "Batman"-themed version of "Stomp."

It's funny how a Broadway musical directed by Julie Taymor, a Broadway musical about Spider-Man and a Broadway musical with music by U2 all sound like profitable ideas, but a Broadway musical about Spider-Man directed by Julie Taymor with music by U2 sounds immediately like a bomb.

"Turn Off The Dark" is such a lame title

that bit was bono's idea

btw Martin Sheen as Uncle Ben in the film apparently.

sissy spacek aunt may

It's funny how a Broadway musical directed by Julie Taymor, a Broadway musical about Spider-Man and a Broadway musical with music by U2 all sound like profitable ideas, but a Broadway musical about Spider-Man directed by Julie Taymor with music by U2 sounds immediately like a bomb.

What I am surprised by is how much money has been sunk into the whole enterprise...I don't see how it is ever going to make a profit, if it ever does get off of the ground.

particularly if they keep bodyslamming dancers into the stage

so so funny

its like an sctv sketch

At a certain point they should invite Bono to 'test the new ride we're developing.'

I'm having a hard time accepting the franchise after Thomas Haden Church was hired for the third. Now it's hard to take it as seriously.

I'm having a hard time accepting the franchise after Thomas Haden Church was hired for the third.

right. totesally. how could they?

absolutely destroyed the character forever

So, let me make sure I understand you correctly:

Thomas Haden Church is more of a franchise dealbreaker to you than a Bono-scored musical featuring a deathtrap contraption that slams hapless actors into the stage?

At a certain point they should invite Bono to 'test the new ride we're developing.'

― Ned Raggett, Friday, November 5, 2010 3:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ha, seconded.

So, let me make sure I understand you correctly:

Thomas Haden Church is more of a franchise dealbreaker to you than a Bono-scored musical featuring a deathtrap contraption that slams hapless actors into the stage?

― THC, Friday, November 5, 2010 11:35 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

the producers' apparent shock that all of the stunt and effects sequences need to be formally inspected for safety, not just some of them?

obv being made w/ Tea Party dough: GET YOUR GOVERNMENT OFF MY THEATRICAL HYDRAULICS

i don't get why they're rebooting this series. it isn't like, say, batman, where it had been nearly 20 years since the good installments of the original movie franchise. and it isn't like, say, the hulk, where the makers of the reboot (and i guess a lot of other observers?) said the first version was bad and didn't do justice to the story/character, which justifies making the reboot so close in time to the original.

this is just strange, and stranger if the villain is rehashed from the recent franchise, too (isn't that the case with the goblin character?).

be original! make a live-action movie version of peanuts, with a lunatic serial killer replacing lucy as the antagonist for charlie brown. or something.

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, October 11, 2010 3:41 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

It's mostly a money thing. Once Raimi left the project, Sony execs probably asked themselves if they really needed Tobey Maguire and his massive payday (he and Raimi would've been expected to claim ~25% of the gross of Spider-Man 4) when they can just pay someone like Andrew Garfield six figures. And once you decide you're going younger and cheaper, you might as well reboot the whole franchise, because audiences will find it weird if they go to see Spider-Man 4 and it has a whole new cast. "Not making a Spider-Man movie" was of course never an option, because it's Sony's biggest and most important property by a huge margin.

^^ killin it ^^

ha I just now realized s1ocki wasn't making a weed joke

Surely men in black 3 could plug the gap left by spiderman in sony's balance sheet?

perhaps hancock 2

Hancocker

Men in Black's big, but it's not even close to being Spider-Man big. MiB2 made half as much as Spider-Man 3.

One thing working in the musical's favor: it will also be in 3-D. They should upcharge the audience, just to see if anyone notices.

I got an email a few weeks ago offering preview tix for the bargain price of $80, I think?

asked themselves if they really needed Tobey Maguire and his massive payday . . . when they can just pay someone like Andrew Garfield six figures

they could hire garfield the cat and pay him in three figures.

They should try for Bill Murray. Hey, you never know!

they could hire garfield the cat and pay him in three figures.

They could have just paid him in lasagna.

ha I just now realized s1ocki wasn't making a weed joke

― DJP, Friday, November 5, 2010 1:50 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

i knew that was a risk, and i took that risk

Well, it could be worse.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/11/15/annie-leibovitz-spider-man-musical-photos/

It looks like a 13 yr old playing around w/photoshop for the first time.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/11/carnage-1289851064.jpg

This is why you're going bankrupt, Annie.

Mr Freeze looks like the RKO tower

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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/11/spiderman.jpg

I'm assuming this is Mr. Freeze and not Mr. RKO Tower

Um apparently that is a new (female!) villain called Swiss MIss. No joke.

At this rate, the producers will rue the day they went for this instead of a "Howard the Duck" musical, which at least would have been cheaper to acquire the rights to.

I kind of want to go see this now! This is going to be even more of an epic fiasco than Carrie: The Musical.

Swiss Miss has a Tetsuo-style penis drill in her knees.

haha Mr. Freeze is Batman. My mind was struggling so hard to make sense of it.

I kind of like her though. I bet it's challenging to fight a baddie that can't be reached by land, sea, or sky because they are too covered in points.

Somebody needs to get out a Mego Silver Surfer or something and get crackin', cuz I can't think of any Broadway musicals with action figure tie-ins.

haven't people been swinging from ropes and wires onstage for several centuries now? why is this any kind of major, actor-splattering problem for the spider man people?

LOL @ every bit of news about this that comes up. It's almost shocking how bad of an idea this all seems, how bad it looks from those pictures, how the word "fiasco" may need to be redefined if this ever actually opens. And "Turn Off The Dark" is the stupidest name for ANYTHING i have ever heard in my life.

Also, whoever upthread fantasized that this would end up destroying U2: hell yes!

U2 must be so far beyond involvement at this point that it's found a safe perch from which to watch the, er, carnage.

why is this any kind of major, actor-splattering problem for the spider man people?

Because you will believe a man can fly.

it's found a safe perch from which to watch the, er, carnage

Not if they're going to be crawling all over the balcony like that.

Seriously, though, how in the world did this end up a stage musical (scored by U2?) and not some Universal Studios Florida stunt spectacular?

ambition! and art, man

Seriously, though, how in the world did this end up a stage musical (scored by U2?) and not some Universal Studios Florida stunt spectacular?

FOR FREEDOM

Naghdi made the announcement earlier this week at a meeting called “Basij and Media,” in which he blasted “false” cartoon characters, namely Spiderman, and suggested that characters who promote the authority of the Islamic Republic should be used in television programming instead.

They should get Armond White to review it.

"This Spiderman musical is why the terrorists envy us."

haha

they shd get Obama to review it, since everyone thinks it's awesome that our president likes SpiderMan.

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ha

Meanwhile back to what's his name:

“This is a beloved character and, you know, ironically, I’m gonna be the person in the audience going … ‘Who cast this English fool?’”

LOL @ every bit of news about this that comes up. It's almost shocking how bad of an idea this all seems, how bad it looks from those pictures, how the word "fiasco" may need to be redefined if this ever actually opens. And "Turn Off The Dark" is the stupidest name for ANYTHING i have ever heard in my life.

Also, whoever upthread fantasized that this would end up destroying U2: hell yes!

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, November 15, 2010 8:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OTFM.

Not ironically, I'm gonna be the person on ILE going "does this English fool really think Tobey Maguire is a genius?"

LOL:

The show stopped five times, mostly to fix technical problems, and Act I ended prematurely, with Spider-Man stuck dangling 10 feet above audience members, while Act II was marred by a nasty catcall during one of the midperformance pauses.

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Irrfan Khan cast as Nels Van Adder!

The new Springtime for Hitler?

“You heard screams,” Mr. Tartick said. “You heard a woman screaming and sobbing.”

How long until "Spider-Man" replaces "Macbeth" as THE PLAY THAT MUST NOT BE NAMED for actors?

Spider-Man: The Musical, music by U2

how many spidermen must die

Guess this is gonna be "dark"
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/01/andrew-garfield-as-spider-man.jpg

And gritty? Dark doesn't work without the gritty.

Looks like the dude from Alphaville at that angle

Forever web

http://i.imgur.com/hxYrC.jpg

it's gonna be called The Amazing Spider-Man

http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/792.jpg

Is that really necessary, HM?

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729

Deal with what? I don't understand.

Neither of those GIFs is properly punctuated. :(

kinda wish they'd mess with the costume a bit more. just to fuck with the fanboys, ya know?

The fanboy crowd loves it from what I can tell. I'm actually not a fan, especially of the texturing - not sure why he needs to look like he's a basketball.

(view in new window to see full-size btw, it's quite large)

basketball is exactly what i thought too

i think it would be awesome if in this version peter parker literally makes the suit out of basketballs

in the raimi flicks they never show him making the suit! it would be neat to see how a high school student could find the materials to secretly make such a fancy outfit.

then again i would watch a prequel to the star wars prequels documenting anakin's conception by the midiclorians...in real time

(not really)

Yeah I liked the gag in the first movie where he draws all these costume designs and then triumphantly reveals his shitty hoody-based outfit, but it did draw attention to how weird it is that he could cook up the real outfit.

in the raimi flicks they never show him making the suit! it would be neat to see how a high school student could find the materials to secretly make such a fancy outfit.

― pre-prison, prison, and post-prison (latebloomer), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:25 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

now that I think about it, this is even weirder when you consider that the rationale for organic web-shooters is that a teenage kid shouldn't be able to invent a magic adhesive that's better than anything 3M's r&d dept could come up with

the fuck is the deal w/ the sloppy spiderman emblem. it kinda infuriates me and i could care less for spiderman.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/07/the_amazing_spider-man_trailer.html

the rooting-through-the-bag stuff looks interesting; it's surprising that there is alleyway-stuff in here that could be outta raimi's film. i feel like they could've gone for some sort of arbitrary transplant (of location, of spider-man's skin-colour per that guy applying for the role a while back) & run with it on account of how recent a similar incarnation of the film was.

I still can't believe they're doing the origin story AGAIN. I was bored enough watching it in the trailer. Also the first-person stuff looks really lame

Yeah, I think this is going to brick.

i think i would probably watch spider-man regardless tbh. like i think geeky kid gets spider-man powers is just such powerful escapism that i will probably go see. i don't know if the moment-in-which-garfield-looks-nerdily-flustered in the trailer bodes well (emo, hooded, zuckerberg parker probably would've worked better, as a kinda reinterpretation), particularly compared to the bit in i guess spider-man 3 in which tobey maguire starts talking about soundwaves.

looks like they're gonna explore the whole 'parents' thing, though, which i don't even remember from the comics

i only ever saw the cartoon which, i don't know whether that makes me persona non grata, but iirc there was a subplot in which they were spies

I still can't believe they're doing the origin story AGAIN. I was bored enough watching it in the trailer. Also the first-person stuff looks really lame

^all of this otm. i felt exactly the same way watching that trailer.

is this gonna be in 3D? because that would make the fp stuff cool

I would ask if you are 14 years old but it would be insulting to earlier real and made-up ilxors who have posted here at that age.

The Spider-Man ride at Universal Studios is a 3D first-person thing. It's really good and it's only 5 mins long.

Wow. Now with even more daddy issues. Somehow that's commendable.

looks like they're gonna explore the whole 'parents' thing, though, which i don't even remember from the comics

My husband told me there was a story in the comics where the parents were actually spies who got killed, I hope they don't do that for the movie -- it would be so cheesy.

Was doing some idle checking around today and discovered apparently the murderer of his parents was...the Red Skull. Or one of them. Crossover!

Sorry, Lorax, that was a little blunt.

I'm not offended by you trying to start beef over a spider-man movie

Was doing some idle checking around today and discovered apparently the murderer of his parents was...the Red Skull. Or one of them. Crossover!

I'll be on the look out for Campbell Scott in the Captain America after-credits teaser.

An impossible dream i'm afraid

will probably see this at some point but seems ridiculously early for a reboot. not as quick as the Hulk reboot which was, what, two years after the first movie I guess. but still, wtf. they could have just continued the series on with a new actor if they wanted to and not started over

i mean it's not like we get 'the origin of james bond' every ten years when the lead actor changes.

The most recent Bond actor change *did* give us "the origin of James Bond" fwiw. Or at least showed him completing the kill that first earned him his double-0 designation.

I was about to say, and did so in a quick, no-more-than-needed fashion, credit to them.

There had never been origin of Bond film before tho

i don't know anything about this, but i always thought the hulk reboot was because they wanted to tie it in a little more explicitly with the expanding marvel movie-verse.

Role model here when it comes to tentpole/franchise movie (as opposed to TV) backstories could almost be Sherlock Holmes from a couple of years ago. Fuck a backstory, Holmes and Watson are buds fighting crime, the end.

I hope Spider-Man follows in said fashion, if only to give a new couple of retirement age actors a chance at regular employment every decade or so.

Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman dispenses with his origin in one page, cos we all know it already. If they want to include an origin in these things just do it a short pre-credits sequence or whatever
http://superman.nu/theages/origins/all-star-origin.jpg

sally field as aunt may is tripping me up tbh

i must not know the first thing about the movie business, because it's incredible to me that they are rebooting a reboot

was there another reboot before this one

er well the raimi ones

Keep milking the cow til you see maggots. And, if yer amenable, cook the maggots.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1014&pictureid=13260

can't believe raimi rebooted this

That Spider-man teaser is like the trailer to some emo body horror flick we're not going to get. David Cronenberg's "The Spider Man."

http://christopherbahn.com/wpmu/files/2003/02/cronenberg_spider.jpg

hahaha

actually kinda psyched, i just really love spider-man, sorry tobey maguire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tnxzJ0SSOw

http://io9.com/5907375/spoilery-new-spider+man-images-finally-show-the-lizard-in-his-lab-coat

That Lizard is so ridiculous.

new trailer is up: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/theamazingspiderman/

There are scenes where Andrew Garfield's hair looks totally like something James Franco would rock.

It's called "Spidey-mask hair." or "web-head," if you're punny.

The second movie featured one of my favorite movie shortcut glosses, wherein Dr. Octopus essentially mail orders the components to build a nuclear fusion generator or whatever to be delivered to his secret warehouse in Brooklyn. I genuinely love how comic books never get into where these arch villains and heroes get the raw materials to build their bases, palaces, equipment, etc.

Batman: Logistics & Fulfillment a surprisingly low grosser at the box office.

But those who saw it loved it.

Spider-Man Tony-nominated for playing Biff Loman btw

The director talks about the trailer. A lot.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=89873

Spidey angsting over his parents doesn't sound particularly interesting to me.

Spidey's Creek

AS IF Andrew Garfield's crying face could be anywhere near as amazing as Dawson's.

Frankly, this seems more entertaining.

http://io9.com/5920219/was-this-zany-fan-film-from-1969-the-first-live+action-spider+man-movie

http://i.imgur.com/uYjw0.png

This has been getting fairly good notices, will torrent when the DVD's out.

Meh.

I've learned not to judge movies simply by their trailers, but everything I've seen from this reboot looks absolutely like style over substance (and, frankly, stupid).

It's going to make a ton of money regardless of what I think, but it does look rather heartless and slick. The whole idea of a reboot is so ridiculous when there really isn't much new being added to the story.

I've learned not to judge movies simply by their trailers, but everything I've seen from this reboot looks absolutely like style over substance (and, frankly, stupid).

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, July 3, 2012 12:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

false binary, Raimi Spidey was pretty stylish. i don't even know what a "substantial" Spider-Man movie would look like but i'm pretty sure i don't wanna see it.

Any superhero film is going to be stylish, yes, but action clips from this new one closer resemble a video game than anything in a real world setting.

There was a humility/humanity about the first Raimi Spider-man film (and maybe the others) that doesn't appear present anywhere in this one.

this looks to me to be the exact same movie as the first Raimi Spiderman with a prettier Peter Parker

He looks like a special needs David Tennant.

since you already said "I've learned not to judge movies simply by their trailers" i'm not gonna give you the same lecture i gave s1ocki when he whined that the Batman trailer had montages of big setpieces instead of character moments ;)

also it's not like i'm going to bat for this bullshit movie, DJP otm

I'm not as high on the Nolan Batman films as everyone else is. I thought Ledger's "Joker" was ALL-TIME as a complex villain, but the first film and everything else about the second film that wasn't Heath Ledger-related never pulled me in.

if anything, the trailers make me think they got a better handle on the Spidey quips this time around

yeah true. i mean they got emma stone in it so maybe the truth is this is a more overtly comedic spider-man movie.

man I want to talk about that but I am afraid of using my comic book knowledge to accidentally spoil this movie

what I will say is that I wouldn't be at all surprised if this movie wasn't overtly comic

No way does gwen bite it in the first movie. they're gonna build up to that imo, if it happens at all

The next movie will be about her secret affair with the Green Goblin.

the thing that always cracks me up when i see the trailer for this is the shot of peter parker doing sick skateboard tricks. hes brooding, hes hunky, he skates in a hoodie/blazer combo!

lol at djp flexing his special comic book insider knowledge that wow gwen stacy dies in the comix

look, it was just revealed today that like half of ILX had never seen "I am curious (black)!" before, I'm not assuming anything anymore

haha true

Not having read the comics, I had to brush up quickly on who Gwen was in relation to Peter Parker and Mary Jane. Apparently her death was a big deal? I guess so.

But yeah, it would be dumb to kill her in the first film.

i can believe andrew garfield and emma stone pull off affects that tobey maguire and kirsten dunst didn't, but as a die-hard Spidey 3 defender I'm so sick of "well at least this doesn't have a dance sequence" bullshit the new movie can eat a dick regardless.

Peter Parker's a square dork with superhuman agility of course when he goes evil he turns into a dancing fool, GAHHHHHH DAMN YOUR SMALL MINDS

I didn't think Spider-man 3 was particularly bad, but I thought there was just too much going on and it got confusing/laborious.

The Venom storyline was forced on Raimi by Sony, so it seems unfair that he gets the blame for that.

confusing, maybe. but laborious? i'll play piano obnoxiously over that claim.

i didnt have a problem with the dancing or any of the goofy stuff, its just a crummy movie because it doesnt really work dramatically

i think the difference in quality between the 3 raimi flicks is vastly overstated, obviously they're pretty different movies in some ways but as far as actual craft or enjoyment they're even steven imo

but laborious? i'll play piano obnoxiously over that claim.

I probably used that term incorrectly. What I meant to say is that it was a lot more work than the other films for me to keep up with what was happening.

I can't think of a scene as tonally different from the rest of the movie in the first two as the Parker shuffle was in the third

there were some pretty broad cartoony moments throughout the series

sure, but right now without the movies in front of me to reference I can't remember a scene that felt like it was shoehorned in from a completely different movie operating under a completely different reality

It was like they stitched in a scene from The Mask.

i say bah to your tonal consistency bah

don't worry though, you'll never see something that playful in a superhero movie again

ha ok that's not true if whedon hangs around but oh how you jackals will turn on him

it would be funny if he decided to follow-up the Buffy musical episode in the middle of The Avengers 2

You know that would be my dream movie.

Black Widow, undercover cabaret singer

shit, I hope JW and Scarjo don't read this thread

http://filmnerds.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/superman3.jpg

hey has anyone else seen this yet i wanna talk trash about it

spoiler at one point uncle ben is wearing a polo neck it's really distracting

that 'small knives' joke is so bad and overdelivered ugh

Didn't someone say on some comics thread that Gwen Stacy got pregnant with twins due to some time travel rape or something?

not time travel and it was consensual but J. Michael Straczynski wrote a storyline that "revealed" that she had an affair with Norman Osborn and secretly gave birth to twins

ha ok

I think there was some sci-fi plot device used to age Gwen's kids so that they were adults when Peter finally met them? (I haven't read the actual story.) IIRC they were originally gonna reveal Peter was the father of the twins, which would've made much more sense... But then some editors decided Peter meeting his adult kids would "age" the character too much, even though they were adults only because of magic or something.

i say bah to your tonal consistency bah

― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:08 (2 days ago) Permalink

don't worry though, you'll never see something that playful in a superhero movie again

― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

ha ok that's not true if whedon hangs around but oh how you jackals will turn on him

― da croupier, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:10 (2 days ago) Permalink

otm

If I wasn't so broke I might go see this today, just to get outta the sun + crush hard on emma stone for a while

... probably just take another nap tho. save money for food? idk

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Having seen the movie, I am looking forward to a sequel. A lot of this was fun but I was mentally doing the "get ON with it" hand gesture.

Emma Stone v lovely and feisty and a good foil for Andrew Garfield, but the 'dizzy her into a kiss' is as crappy as it was in Temple of Doom.

I thought Garfield was more obnoxious that I'd have liked of Spidey in the flexing his powers scenes (mostly with the basketball), but I may just be a sensitive guy Tobey Maguire stan there.

I liked that Spidey was essentially a boutique crimefighter for a lot of the film.

My gf was particularly struck by how off a lot of the lolgeek references were, including using bluddy Bing for a search engine.

Also this movie could have done with some Bruce Campbell, but on the other hand the Stan Lee scene was better than ALL previous Stan Lee scenes put together. And one of the highlights of the generally excellent fight scenes.

My annoyance at Peter being too dumb to really get the sledgehammer "Oh by the way there is a new predator in New York, which is me, and I understand that it can be quite aggressive, because I'll fuck you up" was completely erased by the LIZARD MOUSE!

Which is kind of my takeaway, that they didn't quite line up the gritty and the quippy (the awesome jokes when he's learning his powers slightly undercut by the fact that hey hasn't he just destroyed his aunt 'n uncle's bathroom?).

Also, right - from Ben's point of view, doesn't he tackle the thief for the crimes of running along the street and dropping a gun? I thought that was protected speech in the US?

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Oh yeah didn't love - the only person of colour is the only outright villain.

Also! (I will shut up after this) I was greatly amused by the fact that not only does the reboot have the Big, Emotional, New Yorkers Rally Around Spiderman sequence to match the one pasted into the original after the WTC attacks, but the sequence is based on the massive misapprehension that anyone gives a shit what Spiderman is swinging from.

Saw the 1st Raimi flick for the first time last week, along with this new one. Kind of unexpectedly loved the former, mostly indifferent towards the latter.

thought the new one was pretty good, as per usual I loved Emma Stone, thought the twist on Ben's death and Peter's selfishness was really well done, honestly couldn't have cared less about Flash and his magically changing personality

The last scene was totally missing "FYI I'm boning Flash now"

I figured it wasn't going to happen but I really really REALLY wanted them to kill Gwen at the end instead of her father for dramatic reasons

also does Aunt May know he's Spiderman or not?

Yes. Or possibly No, whichever is funnier.

other cool things:

- the web alert system and all of the lizards
- how Peter's identity was possibly the worst-kept secret ever
- the Stan Lee cameo
- Martin Sheen

things that were dumb but I ultimately didn't care about

- the magic webbing, that required a mechanical delivery system yet somehow seemed to be linked directly into Peter's mind re: behavior
- I thought the Lizard didn't retain his scientist personality/knowledge and that Connors didn't actually behave in an evil manner when in human form; basically like a bad-guy Hulk

how was Garfield's hair?

forgot to list it in the "dumb" category

What was the point of turning a buncha cops into lizards if they didn't wreak any havoc? Lame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydxl1H090ck

spoilerrrrrrrs:

also does Aunt May know he's Spiderman or not?

― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:04 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it seemed like it. what i loved about the most recent three films was the guy at the newspaper, who was always in jonah jameson's office, who you knew totally knew who peter parker was & seemed to be very subtly protective of him - he was like an ally of spidey's in the comics (/tv series, i am basing all of this on the tv series) but this wasn't explored or made explicit in the films. i always figured that if the franchise ran longer they'd out spidey to him, or involve him somehow, it was the same actor each flick, i forget who he is in the story (okay I googled it's Robbie Robertson). & i thought that this steamrolled over a couple of really great, frustrating problems from other variations on the story; like aunt may believing spider-man was a nuisance was such an awesome trick, or the public opprobrium for him. but maybe it works both ways. it being an open secret was interesting in its own way, & felt "true", but some of those things felt like they deprived the story of some easy drama, some palpable sense of all of the binds of being spider-man, better at least than the 'great power' speech remix did.

anyway, bullet point style, some other things about this:

- i wish there was a Zidane style movie that just tracked spider-man swinging around shooting webs for ninety minutes, with a fuzzy post-rock soundtrack. those bits were good.

- this felt v unnuanced, to me, very literally comic-book and broadbrush, with so little of the texture that i figured this reboot would go in for including, i guess cf recent batman films - like the new york of this film was just nowhere, w/fictional subway stops & no geography. there were a couple of nice little moments, though, like him replacing the sewer grid he'd just climbed out of. but it felt too presumptuous, sometimes, like it was rooted firmly enough in the comic universe to render a bunch of really basic logistical stuff irrelevant (like, how did this mutant lizard guy set up a lab overnight in a sewer, how did that happen, but i realise at this point i am posting on the internet about factual inaccuracies in a spider-man film, so).

- i thought the dialogue was really bad! like again this makes me feel like an imdb commenter criticising the screenplay but it sounded so first draft. the best parts were the mumblecore (sorry) speechless moments between him & gwen. but seriously the fucking answerphone message? like that's what uncle ben's phone messages were like? "remember you need to mail the letter i gave you, also never forget i am proud of you and going forward always remember the following key five tenets of a rewarding life-"

- i thought it looked pretty bad. like is this what 3d looks like? just one thing right in front of you & then some blurry bokehed lights in soft focus? it's kinda like people acting in front of painted screens, depth-wise.

- the lizard was just the worst. just so bad. like a bad computer game lizard saying PEETEEER PARRRKERRRRR in the exact same HARRRYYYY POTTTTERRRRR inflection every parent has breathed into their personifications of snape. so bad! how does that guy get work! i mean rhys ifans, not the dr. he is qualified but i guess also did turn out to be a volatile choice of employee. feel like i'm discriminating against employees with health issues but c'mon now. i hope he turns up again - i vaguely remember him & PP being pals in the tv series?, as least fairweather friends for when the guy wasn't all lizardy - like i could be into him as a cool old mentor guy. but he was so bad. the british villain.

- the square jawed dad cop guy, this was so dreary. real bad. like '90s buddy movie bad. & all gwen could do was just go sit in a car. like she got that one moment reenacting being a child in jurassic park, stomping around the lab, but could there not have been a spunkier heroine? she just had to be really benign while her dad gritted his jaw. & like his death scene, with the war-movie timely head roll & all. weak.

- andrew garfield was pretty good! on balance i prefer tobey maguire talking about how the shape of the theatre conditions the effect of the soundwaves generated by applause &c&c&c, but his hooded kid felt sorta appropriate, like weird offbeat kids were a better fit than JOCKS vs NERDS for a contemporary spider-man film.

- also just re: the NYers rallying around spidey scene, this straight up almost made me cry. it's really embarrassing, i almost never cry, which is fine, because when bad things happen & you don't cry you tell yourself you just have a different tear duct threadshold than other people, but then you almost cry at spider-man and it feels worrying that it probably affected you more than you life. i liked that part though.

- & i think i mentioned uncle ben's polo neck.

Having seen the movie, I am looking forward to a sequel. A lot of this was fun but I was mentally doing the "get ON with it" hand gesture.

this is otm, like the story wasn't quite disfigured enough for uncle ben running out after peter & a guy robbing a store to seem sorta loomingly foreshadowed.

this was completely entertaining. spidey swinging scenes looked great; I like the first Spiderman but also remember how cheap and awful the cgi was, looked like a computer game. The actual figure of spiderman was so much more realistic here, I can't tell if they used a lot of actual mo-cap or what.

Apparently yeah 90% of the Spidey we see on screen is Andrew Garfield (but the swinging screens in the first are awesome, GTFO)

The reviews I'd read promised a return to the wise-crackin's Smilin' Stan Spidey, but we only got it the one time with the guy stealing the car.

But yeah, hated the Lizard, didn't understand why Martin Sheen was wearing false teeth, didn't get Dennis Leary, hope the next film features the Green Goblin so we can have ASM #121-122. So much Superhero Sadface. I thought the Green Lanertn movie was better than this.

I thought that machine was totally gnarly.

Was that what it was trying to convey - the cloud machine was like totally awesome & shit?

Did really enjoy it, but am left wondering about why the transformation of officers without them doing anything while transformed? Were scenes cut or something?

Pal said it's good when it's just Gwen and Peter/Spidey, the rest is risible.

sure, but right now without the movies in front of me to reference I can't remember a scene that felt like it was shoehorned in from a completely different movie operating under a completely different reality

― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 18:23 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this seems a really weird thing to say - spider-man 2 seemed like peter was mooching around between two or three different movies a lot of the time. like in addition to the emo superhero movie and the light-hearted superhero movie he'd occasionally pop into a newspaper comedy and some kind of indie flick about his weird neighbours. the difference between the raimi movies seems like, those were made for people who had seen a lot of movies, this seems to have been made for people who had not seen any movies ever.

like, the new one has a scene where peter can't convince the police chief that curt connors has transformed into a lizard, and after peter is thrown out the chief goes over to an aide and says GET ME EVERYTHING YOU CAN ON CURT CONNORS. or n.b. that after (x) dies there's a shot of him in the rain yelling NOOOOOO, with an echo on it, slightly slowed down.

You know that comment was a comparison of Raimi 3 to 1 & 2 and I hadn't seen the new one yet when I said that, right?

i think thomp's saying it's a weird thing to say since spider-man 2 was schizy as well.

yeah, sorry. segueing awkwardly.

should read "the difference between the raimi movies and this new one seems like:"

Raimi 2 didn't feel MPD* to me at the time, which is why I said "I should go back and revisit the movies but here is the impression I had"; you can merge genres together in a haphazard way or in a more seamless way, and the tone transitions in Raimi 2 did not feel as off to me as the tone transitions in Raimi 3.

* yes I am a "schizophrenic doesn't mean that" pedant

i def will admit that the dance sequence in 3 was a step beyond the tone jumps in the previous spideys, though i think it was still within the sensibility (which admittedly a lot of superhero fans clearly don't share) and i'm more of a "AND he gave me a dance sequence!" kinda guy then a "WHY did he give me a dance sequence?" guy anyway, most of my favorite directors could be lumped into "for people who have seen a lot of movies"

also the dance sequence in and of itself was smooth and hilarious, it wasn't some joel schumacher thing where the director was blundering through some nonsense

love that it seems the big sticking point between sony and raimi is that the dude was dead-set on the next villain being john malkovich with wings - i can't blame a corporate monolith for deciding they'd better off spending $150m on this than $300m on that.

Aw man, that would have been AWESOME.

i'm still bummed venom wasn't a single-movie storyline, that it got cramped out by the shitty sandman villain. i know this pushes us further into dance scene/the amazing foibles of peter parker territory but the maguire films were v well suited to that i think.

my real beef with Spideydance was that it didn't look like this:

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DEAL WITH IT.

his verging-on-spitcurl is the funniest fucking thing

I have never understood that hairdo at all, on him or on any other emo doofus.

I really liked a lot of the differences between the different movies in Spiderman 2 - the classic pull back from kiss to reveal car being thrown at them is definitely a "Oh yeah, this is a Sam Raimi movie!" moment.

the library portion of the school fight in Amazing was the point where I felt like I could have been watching a Raimi movie

best thing about the Spideydance sequence is everyone on the street recoiling in terror

Saw this the other night. Okay entertainment for an evening in a boring town with not much else to do. Hadn't seen a 3D movie before and found it really distracting and not at all helpful, so maybe that colored my impressions, but there was an awful of jarring, jumpy stuff that took me out of the movie. Really felt like it was missing the heart that the Raimi films had, and in any given scene, would bend hell and earth to get the appropriate payoff/punchline for that scene, regardless of what that did to the overall tone or flow or whatever. One of my friends said it felt much more like it was made for teenagers than the other ones, which is striking 'cause Raimi 1 and 2 were huge with teenagers, it was just that you didn't feel weird watching them as an adult.

Lot of sloppy plotting too...like, an awful lot of buildup on Peter being a really crappy kid to May and Ben, and then the payoff is...he brings the eggs? Like, three weeks late? And it's all good? And what was the point of having him make that whole promise at the end, and then renege on it in, seriously, about eight minutes of screen time? Just clutter IMO.

Lizard kind of a cool choice for a starter villain...since he's another guy that gets mixed up with an animal it makes sense that he could be worked into the origin story without it feeling like a weird join between an origin story and another story with a villain in it. But he's a bad choice for a villain in general for the general reason that Jekyll is a lot more interesting than Hyde, or rather, what's interesting about Jekyll is that he'd harbor the desire to be Hyde. Once he's Hyde, he can't do much besides growl, climb things, and prepare to set off the painfully forshadowed Genesis Device (or whatever).

What was the point of the webbing being technological? In the comics it sorta works, since it has to do with Peter being super brainy - - but this version of Peter's not an outcast for his smarts, it's more for being the kinda artsy photo-taking guy. (And he doesn't seem that unpopular really!) So the techno-webbing just adds screen time and troublesome questions: what happens when he runs out of the webbing he stole? Isn't stealing wrong? Does he invent mechanical contraptions all the time, or just the one pointless one for his door that can be converted into a web shooter? Felt like maybe a few bits of different drafts getting jumbled together.

Wouldn't watch it again, especially if Raimi 1/2 were at hand, but again, ehh, entertaining.

peter's room is the most interesting space in the film -- that he's built a whole next-level security-arrangement thing to lock an interior door to some entirely trustworthy seeming guardian figures is a fascinating detail (yes, i'm sure that's not why they did it) -- and then there's this poster pointing you at a totally different totally freudian film about a guy who uses a camera in a voyeuristic way

One of my favorite Marvel themes, which for obvious legal reasons will not be explored on-screen, has been the occasional latent prejudice of Spider-man toward the X-Men. That is, Spider-man, too, is essentially a mutant - bitten by a radioactive spider and all that - yet he doesn't consider himself a mutant like the X-Men, and therefore thinks of himself as relatively cootie-free compared to the burden they carry from birth. Don't know if Hulk or Captain America or Daredevil or other genetically mutated characters distinguish themselves this way. Maybe a comics stan can expand.

Spider-Man is not a mutant though, at least not as defined by the Marvel universe. The entire prejudice arises from people who treat him like one and his objections, not on the grounds that it's wrong to treat people that way, but because he isn't actually a mutant.

Marvel mutant = you are a human being who was either born with powers or had them manifest around puberty with no outside influence
Marvel superpowered being = you are an alien, or you are a magician, or you use advanced technology, or you had an event happen to you that gave you powers

presumably petey's kid would have a high chance of being a mutant, by comic logic

there was a Spider-Girl comic about Peter's daughter

And a really bad alternate-future comic where Peter's radioactive ejaculate had eventually given Mary Jane cancer. :-/

have they ever acknowledged that you should consult a doctor if you regularly experience tingling sensations

on a somewhat related note, i stumbled across this blog recently that documents medical inaccuracies in comic books. Weirdly engrossing
http://www.politedissent.com/

But he has literally been mutated, no? Via radioactive catalyst?

'literally'

It's ok they have a term for it

Mutate is a term used to refer to superhumans who acquired their superpowers by exposure to some mutagenic compound or energy (either accidentally or deliberately). Unlike Marvel's Mutants, Marvel's Mutates require external stimuli to acquire their powers (e.g. they weren't born with the potential to manifest powers)

Pretty sure that was a rare instance of using "literally" correctly?

So does the premise of the first X-Men movie, with Magneto building a mutating ray, not jibe with the Marvel mythos? 'Cause those people he mutates are not technically mutants but, um, mutates?

'technically'

'thomp'

Caught Spider-Man 2 yesterday and got sucked in immediately - was really struck by how much more effective the tone and approach were, versus the new one. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of oddball stuff (the landlord's daughter character is baffling) but it still feels of a piece, and lend the movie more heart so that when Spider-Man has to do something difficult you really feel for the guy. Also love all the little touches that make it feel like it was made by an actual, specific directorial sensibility - - - like when there's a panning shot whizzing by alongside one of Ock's tentacle heads in super close-up, that's total Raimi in horror mode stuff. The movie has a personality to it. Or how when Doc Ock robs a bank and starts slamming Spidey with bags of money - you can tell someone was thinking about ways to play up the movie's themes. So, yeah, it's ironic that the money Peter Parker desperately needs from the bank is something dangerous to Spidey, but beyond the gag, it also points up the Big Idea: the things Peter Parker and Spider-Man want aren't necessarily the same. And it's allowed to pass by without comment or neon signs, but it enhances the film. Lots of stuff like that going on. New one seems so much more by-the-books and Smallville by comparison.

Also, J. Jonah Jameson.

Will concede, though, that the CGI does look a little dated now, which surprises me 'cause when these came out I really thought of them, especially 2, as looking really convincing and real, without obvious seams.

oh I totally thought 1 looked like a videogame, I just didn't care because it was a videogame I wanted to play

(eventually I did get to play that videogame but it was called Arkham City)

LOL at Oscorp security:
* Not having the interns' pictures on their badges
* Letting the interns pick up their badges without having to show ID
* Using an observable code (as opposed to something biometric) to access the spider cage, or whatever they call it.

didn't understand why Martin Sheen was wearing false teeth

he's old?

sheen's had that telltale dentures hiss going on for a while now

Trailer for the new one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbp3Ra3Yp74

Some of the fight scenes look pretty cool, but the stuff with Harry is gonna be a chore AGAIN.

Some seriously unfinished CGI in that trailer unless they want things to look like PS3 cutscenes.

http://www.travisprange.com/blog/images/sonycantdesignanewfontdr0.jpg

This is the kind of movie where the bad guy asks a question and then whistles the “Jeopardy” theme, right after he says, “My, oh my, how the tables have turned!” Where Foxx’s villain, dubbed Electro after he turns into a human Taser, says, “It’s time to meet your destiny.”

Then, preparing to spray high voltage all over Times Square, “It’s my birthday, now it’s time for me to light my candles!” Which is not the only reason Electro reminded me of Schwarzenegger’s Mr. Freeze. Alex, Rob: At the banquet of Hollywood, you’re the Cheez Whiz.This is the kind of movie where the bad guy asks a question and then whistles the “Jeopardy” theme, right after he says, “My, oh my, how the tables have turned!” Where Foxx’s villain, dubbed Electro after he turns into a human Taser, says, “It’s time to meet your destiny.”

Then, preparing to spray high voltage all over Times Square, “It’s my birthday, now it’s time for me to light my candles!” Which is not the only reason Electro reminded me of Schwarzenegger’s Mr. Freeze. Alex, Rob: At the banquet of Hollywood, you’re the Cheez Whiz.

http://nypost.com/2014/04/25/the-amazing-spider-man-2-fails-to-impress/

Woah sorry bout that weird double post.

both of these movies baffle me in that there are usually a handful of really good choices (in part 2, the casting of Dane DeHaan, and some well directed rhythmic creativity to some of the action scenes, a decent reimagining for Gwen's exit) surrounded by a ton of terrible choices (script and pacing were terrible like part 1, origin story pt. 2 with dad Parker totally unnecessary, romance elements weaker that the first one, underdeveloped relationship between Peter and Harry, terrible, terirble villains - why did they even cast Paul Giametti? This movie somehow manages to waste Colm Feore - and oh god nerdy old Electro was just awful in every way)

tbf i don't know if there's anyway to ever put the Green Goblin on screen without it just looking awful, DeHaan probably the closest to getting the freakish psychotic nature of the villain. and i liked that they largely ditched the evil executive angle of Norman for the younger version, though I guess we'll never get our film version of Harry terrifying his wife and kids at the dinner table

Just ten minutes in, watching the first of these reboots, and its fucking godawful.

Seriously does it get better? That whole high school section at the start was embarassing.

no, stop now, there are so many good movies you could be watching instead

that was bad

The thing was, it didn't bring anything to the table that the Maguire/Dunst version didn't. And nothing was really improved upon.

I'm going to watch Tootsie now

Is this the correct rolling thread for bad news about Spider-Man movies?

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