i mean, why.
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:33 (fifteen years ago)
what's wrong with deej?
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)
To meet loose women.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)
satan inspired the better albums
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:35 (fifteen years ago)
eternal life, duh!
also decadent & hedonistic rewards on the material plane.
― sleeve, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)
I've always found satan worship a tedious and kind of lame obverse of Xtianity.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)
same reason you'd want to worship anything that rules you. cause it makes you, you! :)
hail satan btw
― del griffith, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)
worshipping satan just feels like a youthful indiscretion. like, if you're still doing it after age 30 what's wrong with you.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:38 (fifteen years ago)
If M.G. Lewis' The Monk is to be believed, it is because he first appears to you in a pretty erotic fashion:
Ambrosio started, and expected the Daemon with terror. What was his surprize, when the Thunder ceasing to roll, a full strain of melodious Music sounded in the air. At the same time the cloud dispersed, and He beheld a Figure more beautiful than Fancy's pencil ever drew. It was a Youth seemingly scarce eighteen, the perfection of whose form and face was unrivalled. He was perfectly naked: A bright Star sparkled upon his forehead; Two crimson wings extended themselves from his shoulders; and his silken locks were confined by a band of many-coloured fires, which played round his head, formed themselves into a variety of figures, and shone with a brilliance far surpassing that of precious Stones. Circlets of Diamonds were fastened round his arms and ankles, and in his right hand He bore a silver branch, imitating Myrtle. His form shone with dazzling glory: He was surrounded by clouds of rose-coloured light, and at the moment that He appeared, a refreshing air breathed perfumes through the Cavern. Enchanted at a vision so contrary to his expectations, Ambrosio gazed upon the Spirit with delight and wonder: Yet however beautiful the Figure, He could not but remark a wildness in the Daemon's eyes, and a mysterious melancholy impressed upon his features, betraying the Fallen Angel, and inspiring the Spectators with secret awe.
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)
Like Edward Cullen, with bonus crimson wings :)
orgies would have to get boring after a while. I wonder if they ever say, "Anyone know any good songs? Lets have a singalong instead."
― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago)
satan seems like a cool dude, but more someone you'd hang out with rather than worship
this also goes for god and jesus
― peter in montreal, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago)
peter otm
orgies would have to get boring after a while
Oh, c'mon. We were having a Baal.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:47 (fifteen years ago)
A+
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
Just want to make sure you guys know that peeps in the Church of Satan don't actually worship Satan. Its more like Wiccan Objectivism or something. Also, The Satanic Bible is a pretty good read, or at least it was when I was 15.
― I'm a DUDE, Dad! (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)
Church of Satan don't actually worship Satan.
man that's a pr problem and a half
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
Lame Top Ten Reasons For Worshipping Satan
10. You find the liturgy inspiring.9. Endless opportunities for dressing up.8. Fun with pitchforks.7. Rocking that goatee look.6. Everyone needs a hobby.5. Free IQ & personality test.4. Bugs the Jehovah's Witnesses no end.3. Big fanboy of Peter Cook.2. Fits well into your busy schedule.1. Come for the satanism, stay for the pie!
― Aimless, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
so Satan is just the sponsor of that church?
xxp
― peter in montreal, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:52 (fifteen years ago)
Satanists look like Ruth Gordon.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:54 (fifteen years ago)
the money and the power
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/damien_stone/repub.jpg
― very wary hairy Barry (herb albert), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:54 (fifteen years ago)
tbh I've never really understood what the process of 'worship' entails, how you can really be sure the worshiping was completed. How do you know you've done it unless you say "entity, I'm worshiping YOU" or when you're done someone saying "man we worshiped like crazy just then" (this would at least clue you in something happened). The only "Satanist" I know worships by waving a walrus penis bone in the air while reading some stuff out loud in a cloak. That is actually pretty fucking awesome BUT how does that really indicate fealty to a dark lord?
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)
why isn't this question seen as a corollary to the atheism/agnosticism/religiosity one? do people have numinous or spiritual experiences in the natural world, or with other people, that lead them to conclude, yes, i just feel a closeness to satan?
xps
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)
I have this problem with the ritual I grew up in, actually. How does spending one hour listening to boring people talk, singing three or four hymns, and eating torn up Wonder Bread and drinking wee plastic cups of water indicate, "Hey there Heavenly Father I am worshiping YOU." It's not explicit enough for me!
xp to my boring self
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
obvious boring point but a lot of "satan worshippers" don't believe in God or Satan - "satan" is a metaphor for principles of self-rule, will, etc
actual satan worshippers, the few you'll find, often believe that he will trade you power for your fealty
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)
that seems to me to be a fundamental misunderstanding of Satan...?
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:01 (fifteen years ago)
"why I worship satan" only turns up 10 results on Google btw, of which this seems to offer a good idea of what's in play
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
I must admit I've never got how stupid you'd have to be to trade 40 or 50 years of awesome high-livin' for an eternity of exquisite torment.
― Ain't Too Proud to Neg (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
which one? i mean, both are, but i wonder which one you're asking about
xp to dan
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
To answer: LeVay saw Satan is an allegory for pleasure and the base, natural tendencies of humanity -- pride-fullness and strength over humility and meekness. Thus what LeVayian satanists worship is themselves, in a kind of weird hedonistic but hobbesian humanism.
― I'm a DUDE, Dad! (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
more important question is why WOULDN'T you wanna worship Satan, since he's clearly in charge down here
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
(which one does: the idea that he'll give you temporary power in exchange for you soul, or that he [nb there is no actual "he" in this understanding] embodies principles rejected by Christianity but which are in fact healthy human normal impulses/needs? the latter is, in crudely summarized form, LaVeyan Satanism)
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:04 (fifteen years ago)
@ HI DERE
"satanism" as in Church Of is objectivism with a dollop of challops
it is tiresome
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:05 (fifteen years ago)
i mean, what differentiates 'satanism' from atheism then? or "objectivism" (since it was brought up)? is there some metaphysical element that's important? otherwise, why bother with mucking about with a character from christian religious tradition? except to piss of your parents.
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:05 (fifteen years ago)
I was talking about the "power for your soul" thing, to wit:
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
to piss of your parents. xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
hoos it's got its uses as a sort of palate-cleanser for people who have baggage imo
also ppl get naked and freaky, always pro-anything that encourages people to get down with their naked selves
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
anytime satan tells u ur past remind him of HIS FUTURE
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
haha i just c/p'd your typo btw, that wasn't supposed to be a zing
plz tell me that you are not talking about piss of your parents as a palate-cleanser
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
are you sure it was not a typo?
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
and right i mean i say "to piss off your parents" as a kind of tossed off stand-in for "getting rid of childhood religious baggage/damage" i guess
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
Joshua Tree selling all those copies is just not gonna seem worth it after the first couple of decades submerged in a lake of burning excrement.
― Ain't Too Proud to Neg (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
in general afaik the whole worshipping satan thing is a little bit of a misnomer - most of it is the sorta triumph of the self "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" kinda vibe, or at least it is once you get away from the 15 year olds w/ouija boards demographic
jesus christ like 40 xposts or something
― MMLLLARRRFF (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
otherwise known as Minnesota
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
satanism specifically celebrates principles that Christianity rejects - self-interest, pursuit of pleasure. it "worships" an entity in which it only believes as an indwelling archetype of a "nobler"/truer/more useful self. atheism has no affirmative values in itself; it's just the belief that there is no God. no set of believes is necessarily attendant upon being an atheist -- it's not an ideology.
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
Satanism isn't atheistic because Levay did believe in and promote basic animism and the idea that magickal ritual could effect outcomes of events.
― I'm a DUDE, Dad! (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
satanism = only very slightly occultist ultralibertarianism afaic
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
yeah but LaVey is just a publicity whore, his "beliefs" are what can keep his rent paid. that basic animism of his relies on no animating force, it's incoherent.
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
whereas Crowley, maybe a diff. deal
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
That theisticsatanism thing seems pretty standard gnostic to me.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
best argument for lavey style satanism tbh is wicked ripping lounge organ tunes
― MMLLLARRRFF (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
why not get into neo-platonism then? or, like, convert to judaism. christianity rejected plenty of shit!
julian the apostate or marcus aurelius seem like harder dudes than these golden dawn jokers.
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
atheism has no affirmative values in itself; it's just the belief that there is no God. no set of believes is necessarily attendant upon being an atheist -- it's not an ideology.
This is kind of a tautology though, isn't it? You can be an atheist and not be a satanist. You can be a materialist and still have moral values...
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
yeah that's about right MW it's just like a modern reading of gnosticism -- incoporates some ideas about "self" etc that had bubbled up in the time between the actual capital-G Gnostics & the 19th c.? it's also, I think (vide Huysmans, Jean Lorrain, et al) a French reaction to the role of the church in everyday life & thought
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:13 (fifteen years ago)
Funny that you should mention Aurelius, goole, 'cause that kind of stoicism was exactly the 'religion' I was interested in in my seeking days.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:13 (fifteen years ago)
right, goole had just asked
what differentiates 'satanism' from atheism then? or "objectivism" (since it was brought up)? i
and it's basically in the former case "satanism contains affirmative values" whereas atheism does not, really
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)
eh goole idk theres a definite weird modernist bent wrt church of satan stuff that isnt quite there in the others you listed, and if i was a little more focused i could expand on that but i just got a flyer about a new "how to play black sabbath on the ukelele" tab book so i am a little unsteady at the moment
xposts again
― MMLLLARRRFF (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)
a French reaction to the role of the church in everyday life & thought
I can kind of see how an anti-Christian in 'the first daughter of the Chruch' might be tempted by that particular flavor of the occult.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)
but i just got a flyer about a new "how to play black sabbath on the ukelele" tab book so i am a little unsteady at the moment
Genuine lols
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)
xxxxxxxOh excellent! Does that mean we get to talk about Mithraism now?
― I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
? none of these people were satanists, and if Julian or Marcus is more impressive than Mather or Yeats it's because they were, y'know EMPERORS
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)
Funny that Mithra's b-day is at the winter solstice, like some other dude we know, isn't it?
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)
xxxxp well obviously The Cathars > Church of Satan in pretty much every regard, but the OP didn't ask why people become dark age cultists.
― I'm a DUDE, Dad! (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)
so, let me break it down to an extent:
1. i want to piss off my parents, or parent culture, or the daddy god, or whatever
2. there is an actual prince of darkness who will give me powers on earth if i suffer in hell forever later
3. "god" is a false tyrant and there are other forces at work in creation that have been called "satan" and i want to worship those instead
4. "satan" means really cool animalistic human drives like getting laid, doing whatever you want, being awesome, and that's what i feel like doing
am i missing anything? pretty weak imo, if that isn't obvious by now
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)
naw thats about it I think.
― I'm a DUDE, Dad! (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
I probably just read too many books about the Roman invasion of Britain plus always had my curiosity piqued by the secrecy and veiled references about mystery cults. Throw in a little sympathy for modern-day "maybe what we all need is a good rebirth from the dark place/os/Mother" (just kidding okay maybe not really kidding), and I'm there for whatever the secret ceremony consists of.
― I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
yeah I agree that's most modern-day self-proclaimed Satanists. but when you start dragging Golden Dawn/Crowley/mystery cults into it I think we're dealing with people/groups that had a more complex, interesting take on things and I wouldn't really call them satanists.
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
Missed that Pythagoreanism keeps you from eating chili or burritos.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
this book is amazing btw
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, I haven't read it in a while but Shakey's right.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
from what i understand LaVey took quite a bit from Ayn Rand. social darwinism ideas figure prominently, too
― dude (del), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
i just got a flyer about a new "how to play black sabbath on the ukelele" tab book so i am a little unsteady at the moment
outbreak of ukelele acts kind of offers definitive proof of satan imo
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:35 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
la vey's organ jazz records suggest otherwise
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
also, black sabbath is more of a christian band to me than a satanist band
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:30 (fifteen years ago)
re: 2 - they're not going to suffer like regular sinners. Hell is Heaven to satanists, eternal reward for the devil's work. Good is Evil and Evil is Good.
and Shakey & his link otm, magic != satanism, that's the #1 christian lie which justified the Inquisition and all that.
― very wary hairy Barry (herb albert), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:30 (fifteen years ago)
the whole period of early christianity is so fascinating and wild
is it me or is there a funny blind spot in the popular self-conception of western history -- the roman empire has tons of "pull" as a fascinating subject, stories, plays, movies, the gods, the wars, etc. everyone knows the roman empire. but as soon as christ shows up, it disappears. there was a christian roman empire for like 400 years. if you count the byzantines (who called themselves romans!) there was a christian "rome" for about 1400 years. but everybody just wants spartacus and julius caesar. weird, no?
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:dZ-4N-Gnv12SUM:http://i34.tinypic.com/15co9pz.jpg&t=1
^^^OG satanic rock fuiud
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
xp Christianity not very interesting fodder, imo.
― I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
Just to be slightly esoteric, myself and because it's almost germane to this thread, I'd like to give a shout-out to Amin Maalouf's novel, 'Gardens of Light'.
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
almost all of country, R&B, and blues, and gospel (obv) seems fundamentally christian to me...not like every song is praise jesus but they exist in a christian worldview IMO
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)
there's plenty or work done on the Holy Roman Empire I think
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)
idk goole, obv i am saying this as doofus atheist and all but i think #3 is the one that the more serious types mostly are working on and i think it might have a bit of merit as an ethos. ie the christian god is an enslaver and freedom from him lies in opposition etc.
lots and lots of nietzschean stuff informing these dude tbh.
fuckng xposts again
― MMLLLARRRFF (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)
oh, if i had bothered to read the entire thread i would have seen objectivism mentioned
― dude (del), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
though yeah hc classicists are like, w/e, that's not real classics
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
yeah but that's germany!
xp 2 aero
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
The New Testament just doesn't have any sweeping, dynastic, Michener-esque saga interest, nor does it have any really compelling personalities besides the main one, and there's enough about him already.
Also tbh early Xtianity WAS a wild time and it would upset the apple-cart of a lot of comfy modern-day Christian assumptions.
― I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
i think it might have a bit of merit as an ethos
say what you will about the tenets of LaVeyan Satanism, at least it's an ethos, dude
sorry party foul
― dude (del), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)
well then how did this non-michener-esque set of texts take over a very michener-esque political entity? i mean? it's crazy stuff
xp
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)
idt too many of my favorite metal bands actually worshipped no devil but man was that metal about satan some really fun stuff like MERCYFUL FATE, SLAYER, VENOM, DEICIDE, POSSESSED....
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:37 (fifteen years ago)
Everyone loves ancient Rome because of their sweet British accents, am i rite?
― I'm a DUDE, Dad! (Viceroy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)
If King Diamond asked me personally to join in his Satan worshipping, then I would be an emphatic YES.
― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:39 (fifteen years ago)
Frankly a lot of this comes down to the fact that Crowley, who was pretty clearly a racist and not the nicest dude ever was nonetheless a sharp dude that knew how to cloak his philosophical deistic stuff in a certain way that can be a little hard to unravel but has some underpinnings, and LaVey was mostly kinda a hippie free love charlatan that knew how to sell himself real well.
― Cap'n Save-a-tanist (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:39 (fifteen years ago)
i'm too narcissistic to worship anything
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:39 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOHZvAYmxk
vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER5PsmWZEW4
― vehemence is mine (Edward III), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
(fair point to be noted - Crowley not by definition a satanist as much as an occultist but whatever, some of that is prob coded self-preservation)
― Cap'n Save-a-tanist (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
Crowley's never struck me as particularly concerned about race (I can't recall any references to it in the stuff I've read) but won't argue that he was by and large an asshole.
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
btw if you play those vids simultaneously and don't lol you may be dead
― vehemence is mine (Edward III), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
hoo boy theres some anti-semetic crowley stuff out there that is pretty o_O xpost
― Cap'n Save-a-tanist (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
but whatever, some of that is prob coded self-preservation)
he advertised himself as "the great beast 666" in the name of self-preservation?
― dude (del), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
more like in the name of self-promotion
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
hoo boy theres some anti-semetic crowley stuff out there that is pretty o_O
that doesn't surprise me at all given that the majority of Europe in Crowley's time was positively frothing with anti-semitism (altho lol irony coming from someone so invested in appropriating the Kabbalah)
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)
― vehemence is mine (Edward III), Thursday, 14 October 2010 19:43 (1 minute ago)
i love you
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)
but then the appropriation of other culture's religious systems was a HUGE part of the occult explosion in the 20th century. it was all basically "ooh look I am a white man bringing you the ancient mystic texts from India/Judaism/China/Egypt/wherever"
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)
crowley's onna those dudes though, like even if there's no evidence of it at all, i would bet my house he was a total racist piece of shit
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)
he wasn't racist, he hated everybody!
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:48 (fifteen years ago)
j/k yeah I would bet the same m@tt
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:49 (fifteen years ago)
Crowley's one of those people who was a combination of complete asshole/charlatan/egomaniac and rather amazingly diligent and clever scholar/synthesist/performance artist. like, he was a very sharp guy who unearthed and distributed a wealth of fascinating information that was previously unavailable in the West, but he had a tendency to do it in the most obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, self-serving way.
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)
here's some nice Crowley from 1911
Human sacrifices are today still practised by the Jews of Eastern Europe, as is set forth at length by Sir Richard Burton in the MS. which the wealthy Jews of England have compassed heaven and earth to suppress, and evidenced by the ever-recurring Pogroms against which so senseless an outcry is made by those who live among those degenerate Jews who are at least not cannibals.
(sourced from reknowned repository of information wikipedia)
― Cap'n Save-a-tanist (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)
jews did 1911
― waka flocka display name (zvookster), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)
c'mon, he says at least they're not cannibals
― vehemence is mine (Edward III), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)
lol at ref'ing Burton (who I have a much harder time believing was an anti-semite)
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:54 (fifteen years ago)
also lol @ Crowley implying he has some principled problem with human sacrifice
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
i like that one song by a dude who underrates aerosmith and so i am down w/ those who hail satan yo
― O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
but yeah tbh theres so much handwaving and distraction going on w/ the dude that its hard at times to figure out what is belief and what is aggrandizment/shock value. you could prob make a fairly strong argument that much of the motivation for his endeavors was managing to find a way through occultism to live as an openly bisexual man with some element of status in the time period.
― Cap'n Save-a-tanist (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
This song came on shuffle while I was driving & I felt it should be included in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xKnORyaBuw&feature=player_embedded
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)
devilly stuff is fun in a "lol satan" kinda way for many of us metalheads. ie, chanting "Hail satan" at a concert can be fun and all but like uhm people that actually do theistic devil worshipping, uhm, where are these people, cuz they're loons?...most I know are Laveyan Satanists or just self-proclaimed ones. I myself am an atheist
(Glen Benton is quite an idiot it should be noted)
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)
glen benton is hilarious. he saw a bigfoot once.
deicide \m/
― the most disgusting of savages (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)
btw, I thought about starting a "why would you want to worship seitan?" thread and then decided not to
you're welcome
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)
Deicide does rock, I saw em earlier this year and they tore it up....
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is there a thread for parody threads you mercifully decided not to create?
because i've had like five of these recently.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)
http://blogs.southshorenow.ca/vegan/files/2008/04/praise-seitan2-720949.gif
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Thursday, 14 October 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)
good non-symbolic/metaphorical reason for worshipping satan:
you're a really messed up christian, so you still believe in god and stuff, but for some reason you really want to stick it to him / hate christ instead of accepting him as your savior, so you invert everything out of desperation (all the while knowing but hiding from yourself that god is the lord of all, christ is the path to salvation, etc.).
variant of that:
toady to supreme evil hoping to appropriate some of evil's power for one's miserable self.
― j., Friday, 15 October 2010 02:04 (fifteen years ago)
what do we think of the Rev. Steven Johnson Leyba? http://www.stevenleyba.com/
and this: http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=steven+johnson+leyba&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1238&bih=668
he's pretty cool, in his own way.
― Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Friday, 15 October 2010 03:05 (fifteen years ago)
satanism is buffoonery of the highest order. christianity at least contains some worthy collectivist notions alongside its reactionary features.
― Brother Spartacus (banaka), Friday, 15 October 2010 07:36 (fifteen years ago)
because it is rad and makes scary girls have intriguement issues
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 October 2010 07:41 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.entrances2hell.com/
― c▲zen (cozen), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:55 (fifteen years ago)
tbh I've never really understood what the process of 'worship' entails, how you can really be sure the worshiping was completed.
have u never heard of a little word called AMEN
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:09 (fifteen years ago)
YO GO TO BED
― some droopy HOOS in makeup (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:10 (fifteen years ago)
is it considered satan worship to shout "ALL HAIL SATAN" along with yer Mercyful Fate cds? is it like the karaoke-"n****" problem where we're supposed to stay silent during that part or be lumped in with the crowd?
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Friday, 15 October 2010 14:02 (fifteen years ago)
cozen what in the hell
― goole, Friday, 15 October 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
btw that leyba guy sounds like a trip
Tuesday, September 7, 2010gonna b on radio 87.7 radio valencia SF talking about how shitty and flatminded your art is and how postmodernism is a mental illness 4-6 pmPosted by LEYBA at 12:14 PM 0 comments
― goole, Friday, 15 October 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)
gonna b on radio 87.7 radio valencia SF talking about how shitty and flatminded your art is, no pomo
― vehemence is mine (Edward III), Friday, 15 October 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
Satan is another aspect of God, and since people seem to want to worship God, it only makes sense that some people would want to worship one of his aspects.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 15 October 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)
Not much weirder than worshipping Kali bringer of death or Siva the destroyer, or becoming a Thug, when you think on it.
― Aimless, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:25 (fifteen years ago)
oh okay
wait, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE EITHER
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:27 (fifteen years ago)
not much weirder, no
― Kerm, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)
kinda rad:
http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/
― scott seward, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
Aimless i rilly rilly hope you're kidding about Kali and Shiva.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
Leyba also once had performance in front of the Mayor and many other SF city officials where he was sodomized with a whiskey bottle.
― Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:51 (fifteen years ago)
anyhoo, thread immediately made me think of this...
http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/pict/3602636769124040_1.jpg
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/22/magazine/the-devil-in-long-island.html
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)
Definitely my favorite spelling of the dark lord's name was in high school seminary, one of my classmates walked up to the whiteboard and said, "I think we all know who the bad guy in this story is" and then wrote
SAINTEN
in dry erase marker.
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
I hope they then cavalierly tossed the marker into the whiteboard tray, folded their arms across their chest, and leaned against the wall with a knowing look on their face
― outdated dbpoweramp codecs I have loved (Edward III), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)
This was the same kid that had us all look at a painting of Jesus while we all listened to Bryan Adams' "Everything I Do, I Do It For You." In spite of this he was a pretty awesome guy.
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:33 (fifteen years ago)
http://thinningtheherd.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/clockwork_big.jpg
― outdated dbpoweramp codecs I have loved (Edward III), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:35 (fifteen years ago)
I expected more velvet posters. :(
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Friday, 15 October 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)
I wish there was something like Milton's Satan or Blake's Milton's Satan, or the guy I am starting to see as the magic third here, which is the force of Bruce Haack's "Electric Lucifer" – I wish the vital essence of these guys was in anything! Maybe then I would be a religious person.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:20 (fifteen years ago)
Not a "religious person" but a person who burnt with...that burning!
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:21 (fifteen years ago)
Milton's Satan was forced into too much work being Pride poster child to really shine.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:23 (fifteen years ago)
http://visualizing.org/full-screen/54597
― goole, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 15:08 (twelve years ago)
Satan is just alright with me
― buzza, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 15:15 (twelve years ago)
― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:47 (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a+ indeed
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:02 (nine years ago)
― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:22 (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
5. isnt hilary
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:03 (nine years ago)
ever since I got the Baphomet tatt I've had one friend and my parent asked me if I worshipped Satan and I realized if I go out of town into a bad part of town that tatt plus me muttering to myself must keep the nutters away
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:16 (nine years ago)
(i don't think, fuck worshipping anything or anybody other than as a momentary sex ritual)
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:18 (nine years ago)
dude that is not how to brag the sex that is being had should be longer than momentary
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:31 (nine years ago)
xxp I'd worship Ronald McDonald if I thought it would keep the nutters away
― 2017, how bad could it be? (snoball), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:39 (nine years ago)
Mayor McCheese is a jealous god.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:43 (nine years ago)
you should worship satan because he says you shouldn't worship anyone
it's a paradox, man
― j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 19:00 (nine years ago)
gotta worship somethin'
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 19:02 (nine years ago)
u might live in a mansion, u might live in a dome
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 19:14 (nine years ago)
the satirical element is a big factor. historically satan has been a scapegoat for abuses of church and state. LeVayan stylee leans heavily in this. but its subculture doesn't seem scripturally based at all (in fact quite the opposite) so i dont think actual worshipping is a requirement or even relevant.
the demonic hierarchy, with its angelic origins, is still subservient to God. it is only through God's authority and your pure faith that you can control them. you could maybe get by with a faith that connotes satan as an aspect of the true god but if you aren't writing the names of God in your magical circle you probably gonna be out of luck. also you aren't given any powers, it's simply a matter of calling up the spirit who specializes in X, and having THEM do the work while you lord your unwavering faith over them. as far as suffering in hell forever, that's not going to happen 1) if you possess this unwavering faith that is letting you control these demons in the first place and 2) hell itself may have a beginning and an end.
if God is the source of sources then there are no "other forces at work", it's all God, including Satan.
it wasnt satan who said "go forth and multiply" or "everything that lives is food for you".
if you want to do whatever you want then there's no reason to appeal to authority - spiritual or corporeal - on the matter. modern consumerism offers an endless supply of avatars of hedonism. knock yourself out, just don't hurt anyone.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:03 (nine years ago)
thanks adam
― goole, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:58 (nine years ago)
cos he is king
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 27 August 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)
who wants or needs a king? they just fuck you over.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 27 August 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)
trickle-down necronomics
― angelo irishagreementi (ledge), Sunday, 27 August 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/7OqvTQO.png
― how's life, Sunday, 27 August 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)
Going back to the roots: Church of Ahriman (Dakhma of Angra Mainyu).
Though I suspect Zoroastrian apostates didn't use as many strobe lights.
― tactical piñata (Sanpaku), Sunday, 27 August 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)
Any aspect of Sumerian folklore considered false teachings...
― tactical piñata (Sanpaku), Sunday, 27 August 2017 20:27 (eight years ago)
Honestly, I think more people could get behind evil if its symbol was a peacock.
Angra Mainyu chose to be evil: "It is not that I cannot create anything good, but that I will not." And to prove this, he created the peacock.
― tactical piñata (Sanpaku), Sunday, 27 August 2017 20:31 (eight years ago)
im calling it: all the occult hipster stuff around nowadays is gonna result in new cool diy Christian mysticism movements in ~10 years
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 28 August 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)
I'm currently reading James Wasserman's In The Center Of The Fire - his memoir of working at Weiser Books in the midst of mid-70s occultism in NYC. It's not a particularly book and most of the writing is repetitve "took speed, performed ritual, took speed, fought lawsuits from people claiming ownership and/or IP rights to some piece of text, took speed, performed ritual, repeat until o.d. or psychic death", but it is useful history for anyone writing about this particular time and place.
OTOH, look… I don’t want to drugsplain, but it seems like the last thing anyone would want to do before getting their Thelema on is to load up on bathtub amphetamines. I’m pretty sure outer dimensional entities don’t like cold calls from cranked-up speed freaks. I know I wouldn’t.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 04:17 (three years ago)
"particularly great book"