gosling gets it:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Gyga1Bq6GIA/TmKKY3r48tI/AAAAAAAAARQ/TlhGkE6g3eA/s320/Ryan+Gosling+1.png
― sons of menarche (donna rouge), Friday, 23 September 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Love the opening image, but this is a pretty domesticated thread title.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 23 September 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the 20 minutes i spent this morning browsing online shops for cardigans may or may not have had something to do with it
― sons of menarche (donna rouge), Friday, 23 September 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theholidayzone.com/autumn/autumn.gif
― runaway (Matt P), Friday, 23 September 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I approve of domesticated cardigans.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't like cardigans :(
― lex pretend, Friday, 23 September 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
actually cold here in chicago 2day
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 September 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
cardigans are okay but they are kind of weird -- i don't plan on wearing them anymore
prefer sweaters
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 September 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sarge, I can't imagine you wearing cardigans with skinny jeans.
So tell us about Chicago life so far.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
still wet amd humid in NYC, bah
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 23, 2011 1:23 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i go to work, i come home, i eat, i go to sleep
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 September 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
but nah it's pretty cool -- been hanging out w/ deej a lot, he is fun + has cool friends
the thought of wearing a cardigan now is about as savory as licking a cat's face.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
what's your job?
errand boy at a law firm
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 September 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
you mean deej isn't like he is on the politics threads?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
cardigans are pretty rad & fuiud
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 23 September 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/errand-boy-350x530.jpg
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
elmo gets it
― sons of menarche (donna rouge), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ rad socks
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Cardigans will start looking delicious in late October or November; the humidity is near 100 percent today.
today when i was walking to work feeling overly chilly i said to myself "ah, it feels like december 27th in miami... except it won't be 65 degrees by noon"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 September 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
my look today:
http://i54.tinypic.com/a9r1fs.jpg
― corey, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
oops http://i54.tinypic.com/a9r1fs.jpg
― corey, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck! nevermind.
I see it twice and am OK with that.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't see it, but thanx
― corey, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Friday, September 23, 2011 12:20 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
When spring rolls around, weather like today's will mean bars and restaurants opening their fronts, and half-naked hordes of runners, bikers and loiterers descending on the lake shore.
― Je55e, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate when people are shitty to others about perceptions of the weather. I hope I didn't come across that way.
― Je55e, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
you in your autumn sweater
― plax (ico), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Perception of weather is more correct than actuality of weather. It will feel warmer in the spring and that's it and that's all.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i take a lot of pleasure in talking about the weather. it's soothing.
― runaway (Matt P), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I've never worn a cardigan. Also, it's like...finally summer here.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, it's not cold in Chicago today. And if you think it is, then it's time to sack up, ladyboy.
― Je55e, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
It's 80 here today. Enjoy your fall weather.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 September 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
84 here :/
― sons of menarche (donna rouge), Friday, 23 September 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
and getting up into the 90s next week? ugh.
― sons of menarche (donna rouge), Friday, 23 September 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
57° here. Heavenly.
― Je55e, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel like I missed summer :( I only got to experience about a month of summer weather this year.
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 24 September 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
No complaints from you, road warrior!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
getting a haircut for under $40 in a gay neighborhood is predictably impossible!
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 September 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
what, are you going to pay $40 for a buzz cut?
― corey, Saturday, 24 September 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
FUCK NO
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 September 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
but also not a buzz cut
I'll cut your hair for free ^-^
― corey, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
do you know how to cut hair?
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been cutting my own hair for years and cut my old roommate's hair fairly often when he still lived here. All I can do is the short back/sides faded thingy.
― corey, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I buzz my own head. At this point, I am not my hair. (Because my hair is not.)
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I cut my own hair and it's fabulous.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
my hair looks horrible if I try to do anything with it but buzz it into oblivion
― corey, Saturday, 24 September 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the campy domesticity of this thread title.
though i don't wear cardigans.
also, shower sex is really amazing, forgot how much i love it.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Saturday, 24 September 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah this might be my favorite homo thread title in recent memory.
i'm at work. :\
― runaway (Matt P), Saturday, 24 September 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I just had a super intimate and intense 2-day thing with a guy that ended with a fairly brutal Bergmanesque character flaw(s) truthbomb. It was kind of like the relationship equivalent of one of those 30-second movie re-edits on YouTube. Like I feel like I met and dated and broke up with someone in 36 hours. Sort of having an existential crisis, but also seeing Pink Flag and The Butchies tonight in Durham, NC
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I just had a super intimate and intense 2-day thing with a guy that ended with a fairly brutal Bergmanesque character flaw(s) truthbomb
yours or his?
― corey, Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Mine. It was all shit I'm already aware of but get away with bcz no one else picks up on or calls me out on it. And I mean it wasn't malicious and we don't dislike each other or anything, it was just a really blunt no-holds-barred conversation about life and stuff.
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
'so she phones me up and she says "is this kitty?" and i said, "if it's not this cardigan's a remarkably god fit"'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coThioMQj3g
― I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Sunday, 25 September 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Either forgot to buy in the first place, or accidentally deleted from my inbox, my ticket for Kingdom/Nguzunguzu tonight. Sigh.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 25 September 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
It would appear there's a queer country night in Prospect Hts tonight.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 September 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I caught my reflection in a mirror and noticed I now have a new furrow between my eyebrows I've never noticed. ~getting old~ :\
― corey, Sunday, 25 September 2011 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
damn boy.
― I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
get to my age and spend hours inspecting the sagging and the creases and get back to me then.
i'll be sixty.
― I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan, if you're living in gayton, then you're close to Gabby's, a really great barber shop that charges $14 for a haircut. When I first moved here I asked people at each of my two jobs where to go for haircuts and got a lot of recommendations for them. It's got that old-timey theme that you might think would be obnoxious or pretentious, but it's super laid-back, casual, and friendly. I go to Cathy, and a couple former co-workers go to RJ. RJ is kind of hunky and straight who brings his gorgeous dog, and who is really soft-spoken, but sweet (I've seen him hug clients, and one of his gay clients gave him a hug and peck on the cheek). The other barbers are two gay guys in their late 40s-50s and a young punk guy.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_30cyI-JGT14/SBkzTgk92LI/AAAAAAAAA_M/BsRK0CfJaHI/s320/Gabbys_04.jpg
That's RJ cutting hair.
― Je55e, Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
thx jesse
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't give a fuck what the place is like as long as i leave loving the cut
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I actually went to a gay bar for the first time since I moved back here, ohhh, a year ago? (My mid-evening journey with Stevie D to an empty Pony doesn't count, except for the experience of seeing its amazing cock-spangled interior.) Spent most of the evening talking/dancing/recieving drinks from/making out with this nice older man who I had no intention of sleeping with. (Also, lol, this guy was finally the first to call me out on stealing my hairdo from Janelle Monae.) As I was leaving, I sat down next to this cute guy and started hitting on him, and he was like... "I know you. I recognize you by your hair." It was this guy I had unsuccessfully tried to hook up earlier the summer. We exchanged numbers and some hot kisses and he told me to hit him up today. So, hopefully there are some good things in my near future, and by good things, I mean penis.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Excitement! And three cheers for good things.
Sidenote: I'm always confused by the phrase "older man" because everyone means something incredibly different by it? Not that it matters for the purposes of yr story, but it's such a relative descriptor. My 19/20 year old friends will use it to mean people as young as their early 30s. I guess my mind envisions it as like...a dapper mid-40s to 50s gentleman or something?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I went to a cocktail party at the Hotel Fontainebleau thrown by Miami Magazine, whose editor in chief, I learned yesterday, is a former colleague from my college newspaper. My companion was an acquaintance with whom I haven't spoken since Christmas; his fiftysomething partner went to North Carolina for the weekend to take a deposition. I've always sensed an attraction, which was more pronounced than ever last night, but since I've seen him only five or six times I hung fire. We got on quite well.
We were met there by his friend, about whom I've written on this board a few times over the years -- a spoiled brat artist I've fucked around with a few times. He was less insufferable than usual, thanks to the distraction provided by his new boyfriend who I swear in any court of law is named Pioneer. Around two-thirty, when I was already home dozing, The Painter sends a text message: "Above all, I miss your cock" (there were no prefatory remarks). Around nine-thirty this morning he sends a sheepish followup: "LOL sorry -- what I meant was that I miss your company and would love to hang out with you more often."
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
but above all, your cock
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh this guy is obsessed with Prefuse 73.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i hung out this weekend w/ my roommate and a few of his friends who sort of play in a band together, and spent a lot of time listening to music and talking about chord changes and time signatures
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
as i stood in the corner sipping beer and nodding
how's your roommate?
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
except for last night when i went to a housewarming for deej's sister and had a very good time
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
oh he's cool, i've known him for years
One of the few times you'll ever see me squirm is listening to compositional stuff.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
do you consider the arctic monkeys to be compositional?
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Not in a bad way -- as a listener and critic I feel like an intruder or, worse, an alien.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
well, the Monkeys write polysyllabic songs with words like "compositional" in'em.
I'll be sure to keep it to a minimum if/when we meet
― corey, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Older, in this case, means 50-ish.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I was so pleased when I used "arpeggio" in one of my first published reviews.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
on that note I just got back from an okay-ish Firebird suite and a really boring Beethoven 5
― corey, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm watching Liv Ullmann play a Chopin piece for Ingrid Bergman!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
by the way I'm gonna be in Chicago in the next four months, gays.
oh cool
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i've met Liv Ullmann!
― surm, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
she's so beautiful
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
table will be here in feb iirc
― corey, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
GAY HEDONISM
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
"would love your cock to be hanging out more often."
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 September 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder what accounts for how often I don't recognize names referenced in the gay threads. Today: Monae, Prefuse 73, and Liv Ullman. I'm not the most culturally aware person, but I keep up, and at my workplaces I'm usually considered the guy who is into ridiculously "obscure" or "underground" shit. But here I mark the ignorant end of the spectrum. When I IM w/ Stevie or Corey I do a lot of Googling b/c I get tired of delaying conversation while they explain who Nicki Minaj is.
― Je55e, Monday, 26 September 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I do have really notable gaps in knowledge, I guess. There was the eye-opening post where I asked if anyone had heard of this amazing "new" singer named "Eartha Kitt," b/c I had just seen her video for Where is My Man at the bar. Laurel thought I was joking, but alas, I was not....
― Je55e, Monday, 26 September 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
When have I talked about Nicki Minaj!
― corey, Monday, 26 September 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man -- we're gonna have fun when I visit, guys.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Gay-related event of the day: a few male and female friends and went to a friend's (straight red-head I've posted about before) house to watch the Bears/Packers game through his new projector on to an 8' screen. After the game, he put on a Bound Gods video, which we watched for about 15 minutes over the audio of another football game. Today a bunch of heteros learned about CBT, hemostats to the chest, and other sado-masochistic delights, displayed in larger than life-size while we ate pie and drank pulque.
xp - Stevie talked about her. He gave me a little talk when I said I didn't know who she was.
― Je55e, Monday, 26 September 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I know she's annoying
― corey, Monday, 26 September 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
T0mas is the guy who loves going to Th3 H0l3, he basement "back room" bar at a leather bar b/c of his go-to example: we were sitting at the bar talking while the guy next to us ordered a beer while getting a bj.
I feel of like I am the Little Britain character Davith who is really devoted to his identity as "the only gay in the village."
― Je55e, Monday, 26 September 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmmm, I may be momentarily going to this guys house for dinner and fun.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
yay!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, I'm excited. this guy is so cute.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Guys is there ever a time where you decline sex on the first date/meet up? Because I've said yes every single time without exception but I feel like maybe it's also good to maybe wait and build up some anticipation?
Also I feel like a lot of things are changing and I'm maybe starting on a new path re: boys
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"maybe" lol
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, there are times when I have and would again, and there are definitely times I should have, both because it wound up making me think I liked a guy who turned out to be bad news, or because it was easier than getting to know the guy.
― Je55e, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
declining can be good -- contrary to the pressure of being a man and bringing back the goods on the reg. figuring out what's right for you is a process.
― surm, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
well, gays, Folsom Street Fair was probably the best time i've had in ages. went with th3o, and we hung out with some of my housemates, watched some whipping demos, and peed together on a human urinal. then we met up with th3o's primary partner and his friends, ate food, then went to the dyke/trans bar and played pool and drank beer....and it wasn't awkward at all. in fact, his primary and i get along really splendidly and we made jokes about th3o and whatnot. it was fun.
then th3o and i went to the Powerhouse, where we were in a backroom orgy with a cast of about 30 other guys for 3+ hours. today we hung out in our underwear and drank coffee and made food til 4 pm.
uh, my life fucking rules.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I should go to Folsom some year, I'm getting kinkier (again) in the right circumstances.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I just ate some bacon. I'm living large too!
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Not as large as Gerard Depardieu, I hope, whose scene having a mutual stroke with another 60something man I'm trying to expunge from my mind.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"mutual stroke," heh
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 08:41 (thirteen years ago) link
So, uh, nothing steamier than a couple kisses happened, but, uhhh, we seem to really, really like each other. I feel totally giddy right now. He cooked steak for me and we watched Black Swan, which neither of us had seen, and talked about all kinds of stuff. He wants to go to Night Slugs with me on Thursday, which is his birthday.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 08:45 (thirteen years ago) link
you threw on your best cardigan and celebrated!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
nice, Rev!!
so obviously, things are going pretty well for me right now, but i have a question for all of you b/c of a conversation i had with some friends on Sunday.
i've gone on two dates with this guy. he's cute & smart and definitely finds me to be cute & smart, too. here's the issue: he asks coyly whether he can kiss me. and the last time he asked whether he could hold my hand. and it isn't because he's shy or afraid i'll reject him. i think it's b/c he's really, really bought into the undergraduate consent spiel that lots of queers get nowadays.
before i go on, don't get it twisted: consent is extremely important, and should be practiced to its most logical extremes, at all times possible..
but implied consent is also an important aspect of consent. if my head is on your shoulder, and we're talking and kind of being cute, don't ask me if you can kiss me. just fucking kiss me. by asking me, you totally just made me lose any amount of boner i had for you.
anyway, my friends and i agree about this— that certain things are implied when engaging in various intimacies. but maybe it's just that we're looser and slutty? gah. what do the gays here think?
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's tough to give a black & white answer
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
he probably has a fear of rejection, yeah & if he's someone that you'd want to pursue i'd imagine that you could break down that wall pretty easily just by telling him "you don't have to ask"
it was cute when the first guy who ever kissed me said it but yeah as a twentysomething i'd find it odd
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i mean it seems like he's kind of...'baby' gay or whatever, so i'm not trying to intimidate him or whatever. especially given my headlong dive into some of the more...uh...'extreme' sides of gay living. but in a way, he's scared me off by being so consent-oriented. like, if we ever rolled into bed, would he ask if he could suck my balls? i've had experiences with people like this, and it drives me absolutely insane that they're so into keeping with consent that they put out any fire that could have existed...
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
If "implied consent" leads to a lot of "whoa, what are you doing?!" near-miss kiss attempts a la Children's Hospital, then it's all for the better.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a little 'much' I would agree, but test your limits with the consentdom. (Don't cut him adrift if he asks first about sounding.)
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
No, really, just jam it in.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, if he's new I'd say be patient but certainly try to steer him toward being able to detect these things for himself.
Though I'm totally lolling at like "Can I put my arms around you now?" "Can I take yr shirt off?" "Can I touch yr chest?" "Am I allowed to unbutton yr pants?"
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
YES GRASSHOPPER YES JUST FUCKING DO IT, JESUS
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Most people, I'd want them to ask. Otherwise it's just rude when I say, "No."
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
MASTER MAY I GIVE YOU A LI'L PECK ON THE CHEEK
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I was a wreck before my first gay kiss – he had to ask me. A rat the size of a tabby scurried under the car.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
like, if we ever rolled into bed, would he ask if he could suck my balls?
haha, this just makes me think of
This thread makes me think of that situation guys sometimes run into, the one where a girl is giving you head but not going down to suck on your nuts even though you'd really like her to. So you sheepishly ask, "could you suck my balls?" hoping she will, and then she does, but all you can think about is the sound of your own voice asking "could you suck my balls?".
― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, December 2, 2004 12:05 AM Bookmark
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I had an extended conversation/debate with a friend about consent. She presented the position it necessary to have not only consent, but I enthusiastic consent. I said that it can be a real buzz kill to verbally request consent. What gets lost when you're talking about this issue in the abstract is that in reality "consent" isn't going to be as dry and stilted as interrupting passionate making out to go, "Is it OK if I finger you?" and "Yes, I consent to your fingering." I think that saying "I want to _________" is ask good as an interrogatory, and not boner kryptonite.
xp - hahaha I think about that post all the time!
― Je55e, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The emotionally damaged ex-boyfriend had a big problem with consent. I learned that it was never OK to say, "Do you want me to fuck you?" (or vice versa) or even "I want to fuck you." After a couple times when I said something like that, he chewed me out for not "being a man" and just "taking" him. I learned that with him, I had to push past his resistance and reluctance, and then he would be really into it. Basically I had to be a date rapist.
― Je55e, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
that is the one thing where i always request consent!
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, really.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy f, my bestie works in a science lab and had to order a rat for some experiment where she will p much do nothing but shoot it up with amphetamines every once in a while. Naturally, she named him Judy Garland. I am so, so proud of this woman.
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
wow
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I only ever ask questions that I know the answer to.
― corey, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Was that Judy Garland's drug of choice?
The 50-something, musical-theatre-loving, gay, right-wing, extremely racist leather man I used to wait tables with* chewed me out and held a grudge because I didn't know who Liza Minnelli's mother was. He got really shitty with me after I started asking the other staff if they knew who her mother was, and by far, the majority of them didn't know. I posted a poll with the same topic on another forum, and and over half of respondent's did not know.
Do you homos know who Liza's mother was?
* I feel like I've talked about him a million times, but still - he was smart and actually really really funny and he worked with people of all kinds of races, but his passion was hating racial minorities.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link
So he was Hitler-lite in the campy macho way? nagl.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't have known if I hadn't looked it up. On the other hand, I really have no idea who Liza Minnelli is other than the name of someone who's famous.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link
*sigh*
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 11:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Rev, try Cabaret with the Black Swan guy
I didn't know until I saw this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osYZPx2A8v4
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah me too.
― corey, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That's way funnier than it has any right to be.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Debbie Reynolds, iirc.
― rustic italian flatbread, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I am by no means a judy fan but she had her moments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYVIGjZk_U
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 pat suzuki fwiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs3IF5vxKNQ
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
So does her boyfriend look like me, as deej suggested to me?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd have thought that Garland/Minelli was one of the most well-known mother-daughter celeb pairs, surely more so than Reynolds/Fisher or Hedren/Griffith or Leigh/Curtis or Danner/Paltrow or Vanderbilt/Cooper. Maybe Hawn/Hudson is close.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
cut to the chase: They both liked to marry gay men.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Who, aside from you, doesn't?
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I only know Liza from Arrested Development, but it made me love her.
I did see Cabaret in the mid-90s. I don't remember it, except that I remember loathing it, but I think I should give it another chance.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
surely more so than Reynolds/Fisher or Hedren/Griffith or Leigh/Curtis or Danner/Paltrow or Vanderbilt/Cooper. Maybe Hawn/Hudson is close.
Tbf, I have no idea about any of these either. Don't even recognize some of the names. I p much pay no attention to actors tho.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I recognize Hawn/Hudson, but none of the others.
It should be noted that the people at work who didn't know who Liza's mother was were of a variety of ages. And I didn't ask the immigrant workers.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't know about hedren/griffith
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i kindof just know liza minelli as being judy garlands daughter. p sure she features as a character in that judy davis acting showcase. i think ive only ever seen her in that weird unconvincing scorsese (?) movie shes in w deniro.
im starting school tomorrow. im jumpy and nervous about it. im like picking out an outfit
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I take it for granted that everyone knows who has won Oscars in the last, oh, 50 years.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to be a snob about Oscar until I reminded myself I know shit about sports.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i knew every mother/daughter on that list except Vanderbilt/Cooper. but i was an only child who watched a LOT of old movies growing up.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Oscars are sports w/ tuxedos.
that weird unconvincing Scorsese musical is the first of his films I ever saw, and it beat the pants off the DiCaprio Era.
CABARET is an essential gay movies, youngsters.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
morbs u r so cute
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
haha tabes, cooper = anderson (mom = gloria)
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i knew every mother/daughter on that list except Vanderbilt/Cooper
This was a little joke.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/2824939630_5e257e6b1b_z.jpg
― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
oh. well, i believe i knew that, but didn't associate it because, yknow, Anderson's a gym-driven silver fox tv host, not a famous actress.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Cabaret is pretty essential, but All That Jazz is better.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I added Cabaret to my Netflix Qwikster queue. We'll get to the bottom of my feelings on that movie.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I have at some points in my life been obsessed with sports, never so with movies.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i am now enjoying some fine bubbly water courtesy of my new carbonator, my birthday gift from my parents.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
have i ever talked about how i calculated that before this thing, i was spending up to $14/week at times on selzer and mineral water?
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i only like fizzy water when it's added to booze of some kind
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i desire fizzy water at all times
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
is my concert schedule for the next two days gay enough?
Tomorrow - Bryan FerryFriday - Cut Copy
Answer: No.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Is Cut Copy "gay"?
― Je55e, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, sure, because guys dance to them.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
hi guys, as of a few minutes ago i am 40 but let's keep it to this little thread here shall we :D
― I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday!
― runaway (Matt P), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess you're a "daddy" now.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
oh boy.
― I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
at least he's not "50ish" :)
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday, c! there is no gay death, just gay rebirth ;)
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy birthday!
― Je55e, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday, jed!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you all! xxx
― I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no doubt you are entreing your foxiest years, jed.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 September 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
for real tho
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 September 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Aaaahhh, my beautiful husband has reached his prime!!
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy birthday, young guy.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday jedthro!
― corey, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Eric's All That Jazz thing is a late '70s fetish
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 September 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
sto lat, jed!
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hey jesse,
what was the name of that gay barber shop again
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Steamworks.
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
(Gabby's http://gabbysbarbershop.com/)
thank u
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
We use a chalk board to keep track of who's waiting. If we're busy you may put your name on the list and go out for a while (please note- door is locked promptly at closing time). Clients are welcome to request the barber of their choice. If you are requesting a specific barber please write and circle his or her initial after your name on the chalk board when you sign in.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i really dislike chalkboards
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
which i believe can be traced back to me eating chalk on a dare on the last day of 7th grade
Maybe patrons can chip in for dry erase boards.
(which I'm not much fond of either: I have to remind myself to pack a marker)
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
EW DRY ERASE BOARDS ARE THE DEVIL'S WORK.
but i also love chalk— rock-climbing and playng massive amounts of pool have made me love it.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I love dry erase boards b/c erasing them is so satisfying. And so is marking on them. You have a white surface, you lay down a dense mark of color, and then you wipe it and it's all white again!
Alfred, why did you quote that?
― Je55e, Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
my friend has a giant chalkboard in his kitchen and I'm really jealous of it
― corey, Friday, 30 September 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
You should paint one of your walls with chalkboard paint.
― Je55e, Friday, 30 September 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
u guys it is so nice out
― surm, Friday, 30 September 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to scream into the wilderness it is so nice
it was crazy windy earlier — kind of fun to bike in before getting an eyeful of street grit and leaves
― corey, Friday, 30 September 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
YES THE WIND
caps unintended but necessary
― surm, Friday, 30 September 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I was just thinking about how it is ALWAYS windy in Chicago. It's especially windy today - even now - but the air is never still here. It feels a little weird when it stops.
― Je55e, Friday, 30 September 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
that is great. i'm really not all that into still air. wind is one of my favorite things, even tho MY element is rain.
― surm, Friday, 30 September 2011 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
(they do go together after all)
I like rain... when I'm inside and don't have to be anywhere.
― corey, Friday, 30 September 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it's nice. water in general is really a good thing. in fact my first ILE thread was
What is your favorite thing to do with water?
― surm, Friday, 30 September 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, this is a retweet from last night orig a local weatherman:
Gusts 45+ mph tonite; 60 mph ovr open lake wi 18-20 ft. offshore waves.”
― Je55e, Friday, 30 September 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Is Gordon Lightfoot still alive? We might need him.
― Je55e, Friday, 30 September 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
that's hot
― surm, Friday, 30 September 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a slave to love
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/sotoalf/325576_10150345428684521_720269520_7952034_1784762925_o.jpg
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 September 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm eating a delicious cherry puff pastry from Au Bon Pain and thinking of you, Corey.
― Je55e, Friday, 30 September 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey gays are any of you familiar w author R1ch4rd McC4nn?
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 30 September 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
M cancelled on me for last night, but wants to hang out at some point this weekend.
― Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Friday, 30 September 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I loved stealing the cherry tarts at ABP
I just finished The Women and now I'm going to hang w/ my friend Ph!11!p
― corey, Friday, 30 September 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i am gonna go dancing tonight although i'm not sure i have anyone to actually go with
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Friday, 30 September 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
think i may make a bevmo run first because i $$$$just got paid$$$$
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Friday, 30 September 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
bevmo
*sighs*
― runaway (Matt P), Friday, 30 September 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
as in, wistfully
beb' mo
― corey, Friday, 30 September 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
baseball tonight, then tomorrow, 4 more baseballs. I may look for Hot Mess in the interim.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 October 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
*rad date thing in DC this evening with red-headed Moroccan/Italian dude w a huge interest contemporary art and a killer smile. I think we both like each other and are hanging out again, maybe?
*yesterday I talked to Andr3w fucking H0ller4n on the phone for like 15 minutes about The Saint and The Price is Right and oh my god how on earth is this real life idk
― Sandra Bullock violently stabbing a TV dinner (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 2 October 2011 06:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I tried on a cardigan today. It looked good, but it was shitty material that felt like sandblasting. But I found a sweet plaid shirt on clearance. Next week I will look around for cardigans that don't give road rash.
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to inform my one or two secret crushes of those crushes. They're ridiculous and annoying to me and my friends. The rejection will hit finally purge those fantasies of romances, and of course open me up to new delusions. For real though, I know they're not into me, but they don't know that I wish they were, so it's exhausting. (/therpy)
wow- a 21 min. xpost....
― Je55e, Sunday, 2 October 2011 07:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Andr3w fucking H0ller4n? how?
bevmo?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 October 2011 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Bcz i met this dude via Manhunt for a strictly friendly coffee and it wound up being R1ch4rd McC4nn and apparently they're friends and so after me talking a ton abt Dancer From The Dance he basically just like called him and handed me the phone
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 3 October 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
!!!
Morbs: BevMo is a chain of beverage stores thruout Cali/where I do most of my liquor purchasing. Bought Cynar and Old Overholt on Friday.
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Monday, 3 October 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
This weekend I discovered that alcoholic Redi-Whip-type whipped cream exists. Haven't tried it, but will at some point. It's shelf stable. 30 proof.
― Je55e, Monday, 3 October 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I just saw that my boss orders from BevMo sometimes. I've never known him to go to CA, though.
― Je55e, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
That alcoholic whipped cream freaks me out
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Guys, it's time for one of our periodical thinky questions: Why does sex so often lead to a discontinuation of communication? I mean looking back in life, there are tons of guys that I was attracted to and we were pals and all but we never hooked up and we are still buddies and all is well, and there are so many about whom I felt the same way, and we DID have sex, and now we just don't really talk any more. It seems to provide this sort of closure, whether you want it or not, and I just cannot figure out why. I mean, I like to think I have a very open-minded/grounded approach to sex where I can be casual or I can be intimate without getting attached and all of that shit, and I'm fine with having sex just be sex, and yet I find myself doing this same thing where I just lose the desire to maintain the same sort of dynamic we had before we fucked. I'm not talking about, like, "Oh, the sex was so awful; I can't bear to speak to this person ever again", but I just feel like subconsciously it's this end result for so many people, and once they get it they feel like their work is done, I mean not in a conscious/manipulative way but just something deeper down.
Has anyone else had experiences with this?
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, mainly 10-20 years ago. I have no real understanding of it either.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i think this just happened to me
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
like, fun date with cool dude, capped off with great sex. haven't really spoken to him since. if we hadn't gone there, would it have been different?
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Today I was talking to the guy I stayed with in northern WA a few months ago, with whom I kept in loose touch (we've texted/had a good IM conversation maybe 5 or 6 times since) and he pretty bluntly said "We probably wouldn't be talking if we'd hooked up" and I was just like "Yeah, I know". Also I met up and hung out with this one dude from Scruff in NC and it was strictly friendly, we got pho and frozen yogurt and laughed about stupid music videos and then he dropped me off and that was that, and we've kept in touch but our conversations have gotten progressively more flirtatious and today it got pretty heavy and we basically acknowledged our desire to fuck, and he was all "Man, I knew I should have asked you to come back to my place" but I feel like if he had, things would've just been *different*
Maybe it has to do with building up anticipation? Do you spoil it by just fucking on the first date?
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i have some thoughts on this
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe this is super cynical or maybe i'm projecting but once you have sex w/ someone you cease to do all these things that we all do in order to get ourselves to have sex -- namely, work to present ourselves as interesting. once you've fucked someone you can pretty much initiate sex by going "hey, let's fuck again", and if you both want to fuck again then you'll fuck again, maybe a few more times, and from there something resembling a relationship will evolve bcuz you both like each other and like fucking, or you'll both realize that the sex is cool and the other person is pretty cool but ultimately this isn't what you want and you both move on and the communication kind of breaks off
idk i haven't had tons of sex in my life so i might be wrong
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey it's table's b-day!
― sarahel, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm inclined to agree, j0rdan
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
which in part explains why i generally never sweat first dates but am terrified of subsequent ones
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's a pretty common developmental episode to hook up with somebody and either (a) catch serious feelings for them or (b) realize they have caught serious feelings for you -- either way, one person attaches more significance to the act than the other person, and dealing with the imbalance can be incredibly awkward and sometimes painful.
without having formed the bond of a relationship, whether it's a friendship or something more explicitly romantic, i think it's really easy to just bail and not have to negotiate that imbalance.
idk, just a thought.
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan otm.
I would argue that the desire for another, whether for friendship or sex, is always an exercise in erotics; if it's a friend the erotics get sublimated or whatever. We underestimate the degree to which our energy dissipates in that spurt of cum. I'm guilty as charged.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, "spurt of cum" is definitely going to haunt me for a while
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
either way, one person attaches more significance to the act than the other person, and dealing with the imbalance can be incredibly awkward and sometimes painful.
kind of long for the title of my autobiography but i'll submit it to my editor and see what he thinks
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like a Calvino or Jeannette Winterson novel.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Why does sex so often lead to a discontinuation of communication?
totally my experience, sometimes i'm happy about it and sometimes not but it's quite frustrating generally - i assumed there was something about being lol british & emotionally repressed in my experiences but there's def also a bit of the opposite of what j0rdan says, ie by initiating contact after you've fucked, it's like you're saying it ~meant~ something to you. weirdly i think if it ever did ~mean~ something to me it'd be easier to deal with. as much as i enjoy the fact that it's ok and expected for gays to fuck on the first date without going through bullshit courtship rituals, the negative flipside is definitely how that can nip potential friendships (maybe even r*l*t**nsh*ps!!! who knows. who am i kidding lol) in the bud.
also by the time you've mulled it over and then got on with life suddenly, like, three weeks have passed and it'd be a bit weird to suddenly be all "hi!!!" again.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
also are any of you in LA? i'm going to be there mon thru wed next week interviewing yelawolf
i am!
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
It's no easy trick to master insouciance.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it is easy to feel kind of small when the other person has, tho
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i tell you what helps with insouciance, being exhausted
what's yr email donna?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll be staying at the grafton on sunset boulevard
g4lluccij at gmail (the 4 is an A)
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
good good
i'll email you in the next few days (so busy and half-dead right now)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
awesome!
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy birthday, tabes!
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
HBDD
― surm, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha is "HBDD" like a meme now?
Jordan, whoa, way OTM and makes me reconsider everything. Like, is it all a performance of sorts just to get into someone's bed, and would it be/would we act radically different if sex was an absolute impossibility from the get-go? So once it's happened we are, on some level, satisfied or feel like we've achieved our goal and dispense of this charade of... what, friendliness? Flirtation? I mean, yeah, I guess I'd approach someone I'm sexually attracted to a little differently than someone to whom I wasn't (I mean, well, duh).
The awkward imbalance of attachment/investment is definitely a factor in some instances but not so much in my case; I'm talking about some sort of mutual lack of desire to continue interacting, not just being bummed out when someone doesn't text me back (which happens sometimes but I'm OK with and also it makes sense).
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy Birthday Tabes
― the tune is space, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, is it all a performance of sorts just to get into someone's bed, and would it be/would we act radically different if sex was an absolute impossibility from the get-go?
I regard all interaction as performance tbh.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday tTiaT xxx
― jed_, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I regard all interaction as performance tbh
No wonder you don't like actors who have more gravitas than Cary Grant. Too much reality.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ great performance!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
plz hold your applause til my death
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
http://johngushue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/18/quentin_crisp.jpg
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the music must be stopped, NOW
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks for all your birthday wishes. i had an awesome day: hung out with my housemates, soaked in a hot tub for an hour, ate oysters and burgers with theo, had a bonfire with some good friends... overall an excellent excellent day. and of course the night was pretty good too, though it has certainly come to my attention that the boy is an insomniac. talking until 6 in the morning is awesome but my day has been subsequently a little abbreviated since i slept so late. *problems of the happily unemployed*.
in terms of stevie's question, i'm not too sure about anyone's responses, as the way that relationships develop or dissolve is so subjective that to make some sort of blanket statement about such situations seems to almost preclude any other possibilities. also jordan, your response's cynicism really bummed me out. :(
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy Birthday, motherfucker. :D
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
omg i'm wearing my best cardigan!
― surm, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
:D
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i am wearing a puffy vest fyi
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Elmo of the Ski Lift
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I am fagging it up in a rich purple hoodie
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i love puffy vests, i have 1
― surm, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
82 degrees in NYC this Sunday? folx at Occupy Wall St be strippin'
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
are u fucking kidding me
― surm, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.weather.com/weather/5-day/10013
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sorry but somebody needs to teach this weather a lesson
80 degrees in october is a bloody travesty
― surm, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Tell that to SoCal :/
I am also wearing a purple hoodie (OMG twinsiez) bcz I spilled whiskey all over my other one last night
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm wearing a bright red hoodie
we supplement each other
― corey, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I just have a black WFMU hoodie (gangsta) but generally wear it at night
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Hooray! I can wait for the intercampus shuttle at 6:25 a.m. and not feel sweat dribbling down my sides.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
do you Americans actually call them puffy vests?
― jed_, Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
unless Damon Albarn wears one /1995
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, he meant puffy chesterbockershire
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry i meant to say "swollen waistcoat"
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Chicago is killing it with this Indian summer. This week has been perfect, and it looks like it's just going to continue.
http://i.imgur.com/5rNIL.png
http://i.imgur.com/etthu.png
But we'll pay for it later: Chicago area expected to endure worst winter weather in nation
― Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i need it to be 60's in october.
i wish i had ur winter
― surm, Thursday, 6 October 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Our great September has notably not extended into October at all.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate these high 70s. I don't know what to wear.
― corey, Friday, 7 October 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
as little as possible
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 October 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Chinatown-1974-Perry-Lopez-Bruce-Glover-Jack-Nicholson-pic-11.jpg
"As little as possible."
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 October 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
afuckingmen
― surm, Friday, 7 October 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Soto, did you design the Marlins stadium's new I-don't-know-what-to-call-it on behalf of Red Grooms?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 October 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
saw the most magnificent gay creature at lunch just now wearing a tiny green t-shirt, the tiniest jean shorts one could possibly wear before entering groin country, and turquoise alligator boots, carrying a gemstone-studded heart-shaped purse. AND he was deaf.
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
umm that OUTFIT
― surm, Friday, 7 October 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l84ngsRA8U1qdr4qso1_400.jpg
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
AND he was deaf.
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2009/08/18/1250636422-shut_up664.jpg
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
altho the boots with shorts like that might be a problem tbf
― surm, Friday, 7 October 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
he had gams to spare
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
thinking of going to some services at one of the buddhist temples around here
― corey, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i might be going to a lecture at the gnostic society here this month (uh, hence this DN, kinda)
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
theosophy's choice
― corey, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Andrei Bely's Petersburg is a really great novel and has tons of Theosophist symbolism, you should read it
― corey, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Guys I am in the middle of the worst date I've been on in ages. Which one of wants to call me with an urgent emergency?
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
In addition I am stoned and *unbelievably* hungry ("let's get dinner" turned into "come over my house and watch TV with my friend and I")
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I would call you if I had your phone number! Sorry. :(
Hope you found a way to get out of it. I am having a date with my textbooks in a futile attempt to catch up on readings.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 9 October 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy birthday to Corey!
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Sunday, 9 October 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yay, corey
Mad eout with a really hot but superdunk boy at the gay sports bar a couple hours ago. Gave him my number cuz I have to be back at the Film Fest at noon.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 October 2011 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
superdRunk, u probly figgered
What's the gay sports bar called? Nice work, Dr. M.
― Virginia Plain, Sunday, 9 October 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
There's more than one.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 October 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ah! Happy belated, corey!
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 9 October 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah happy birthday dude
― the tune is space, Sunday, 9 October 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
hb corey!
― lex pretend, Sunday, 9 October 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday, corey, and congrats, Morbs.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 October 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man, guys, awful date story:
Was talking to this dude on Scruff, he is redheaded and bearish and way cute, and we both seem to be into each other and we're texting back and forth all day, and we make plans to get dinner around 4 and "see where it goes". I text him at 2 just to verify the time/location, and he calls me and asks if I can just meet him at his place at 6 and we can walk to the restaurant (vegetarian soul food!) from there. Okay, no problem, just text me the address. Which he doesn't. So I text him again at like 5 asking where I'm meeting him, and then I call him at like ten of 6, and he doesn't pick up. So I just sort of wander around and then find a park to sit and read in, and finally at 6:45 I call him again. He picks up, he's so sorry, he just got in and he left his phone at home, here's his address, give him a few minutes to straighten up and swing by, also something about his friend coming over to hang out. I go over, it is now 7, he lets me in and it's him and his friend sitting on the couch watching TV (where there's a show that, according, to the DVR, has been paused at the 20 minute mark). Him and I talk for a bit, he seems nice but maybe sort of dumb and juvenile and into his own affectations and bad at being funny (Dylan McDermott's ass was on screen at some point and he felt the need to point and yell "man-butt!", or he would drop an obvious one-liner and then say "but ANYWAY" and then laugh at his own joke). So instead of, like, getting dinner, we sit around with his really boring friend and talk about whatever and then head to a bar to meet some other friends of his. Boring friend at apartment leaves, dude and I chat for a few blocks and meet his friends at the bar (I think it was 3 of them plus one's sister), and all get a table outside. Apparently he keeps the kind of company that thinks it clever and amusing to refer to the black female bartender as Shenaynay. I mean, I knew pretty soon in that this guy sorta sucked, but yeah. Ugh. So we're all sitting around talking, and by "we" I mean him talking to one of his friends and the other people talking to each other and me sort of just sitting there. This went on for about 2-3 hours. I jumped in a few times but I mean this dude was totally and completely ignoring me. Like, I think he looked at me maybe 4 times the whole night, and we had one conversation that maybe lasted 30 seconds and he kept sort of going "uh huh" and glancing away. I even left at one point to go get a slice of pizza because I was so hungry after the dinner that we never fucking had. I was pretty pissed but stubborn enough to endure it on the off-chance anything was going to happen (even though it pretty clearly wasn't). Finally we're all heading out and he somehow has the audacity to give me the big hug and the whole "have fun on your trip! Stay in touch! I'm in Philly a lot, I'll give you a call!".
Like, it's not that I'm pissed that I didn't get any D, because duh sometimes people just don't click. It's something that we were, you know, supposed to have established early on, one-on-one, at a 4pm dinner that would let me go about the rest of my evening. It's not that he was mean spirited, per se; he just seemed incredibly dumb and lacking respect and maybe bad at giving a shit about other people. I sort of really want to send him an angry text.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
OMG LOLHUEG BODY OF TEXT sry
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't believe you stayed as long as you did.
You didn't type that whole post on your phone, did you?
― Je55e, Sunday, 9 October 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes. I did. I can't believe I stayed either.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't believe your thumbs held up long enough to post all of that!
I've been having thumb problems off and on for the past couple months - slight numbness, aches - and I'm pretty sure it's due to a repetitive motion injury from thumb-typing so much plus mostly using the track pad on laptops for mousing.
― Je55e, Sunday, 9 October 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd have slipped out and just left
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Sunday, 9 October 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
He was really, really cute though.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
stevie, def tell him off
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 9 October 2011 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, tbh, you're using the internet to date. get used to it.
(not that i don't empathize. just being realistic over here).
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Stevie you should have gone to that DJ Dogdick show I texted you about- or joined me at Occupy Baltimore- but where cuteness is concerned all bets are off- "the beautiful ones they hurt you everytime" like Prince sez
also i want to apologize to you on behalf of Baltimore, I swear this town can be ridiculously fun but this weekend is just some kind of harmonic convergence of great weather but nothing truly rad going down
I am feeling the burn from a lol huge new tattoo on my other flank, holed up with papers to grade and lectures to write
― the tune is space, Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah stevie, DJ Dog Dick would have been a better option.
the tat looks amazing, drew.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
hbbdc!
― surm, Sunday, 9 October 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I got done at like 11 and I was gonna go but I was cold (t shirt/no hoodie/low 60's and windy) and my phone was about to die and I just wanted to go home
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Also I was totally considering stopping by Occupy last night! Damnit.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 9 October 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks y'all — I spent it wandering around Chinatown and getting dinner with my friend D3rwin
― corey, Sunday, 9 October 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birrrrrrrrthday, i brought a present for everyone. i hope you don't mind sharing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvL-i--8Ws
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Sunday, 9 October 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, the guy from last night called! what an upset.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 October 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh, I think he may be a closeted Orthodox Jew.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 October 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
guysomglook at what shirt my friend just bought me
http://www.bloodisthenewblack.com/shop/sc_images/products/7958_large_image.jpg
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 10 October 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Monday, 10 October 2011 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey ilxgays,
Something interesting happened to me today at work. And by “interesting” I mean mildly uncomfortable. My co-worker was talking to another employee about our tumultuous year, and at some point he said, “yeah man, like men marrying men and shit. That’s why we had all those earthquakes.” And I’m sitting there trying to not react in any sort of way, which of course ends up in that subtle self-consciousness that broadcasts you to the world and thwarts any attempt at sneaking by touchy subjects.
Anyway, what on earth do I do here? My co-worker and I work closely together: we’re part of a writer/designer team, and we share a small office together and do all our work as one unit. But he threw down that “gays are the harbingers of death” BS. I mean, not even that gays are wrong, or immoral, or grody, but as the bringers of death, plague, and decay. I always dreamed of being an agent of the apocalypse, but not like this, man.
― Spectrum, Monday, 10 October 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
you're sure he was being serious? (i said that same thing as a joke after the east coast earthquake happened)
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
also how did the other coworker respond?
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, he mumbled it under his breath, and he's a pretty discriminatory/angry guy. Hates Chinese people, too. Coworker didn't give a flip, I work in a pretty conservative office.
― Spectrum, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
that is called "sexual harassment" and if you don't say something to someone else, you should tell him to cut it out because it is illegal
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait – how is it sexual harassment? No snark intended.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
are u serious? maybe u haven't worked in a corporate environment in a while. any offensive comments like that regarding sexual orientation are grounds for a case.
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
It's really my ignorance of harassment torts.
(insert joke).
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i've been in this situation, and i did not keep my mouth shut.
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
It's called a "hostile work environment."
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
It all depends, like donna said, how loudly he said it and if a pattern of behavior exists. If I were donna, I'd confront him politely first.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, that would be the kind thing to do. but tbh all bets are off when something like that comes out of your mouth.
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably the best way to deal with it is talk about gay shit all the time and as positively as possible (not sex acts, but just in society). Make him be the uncomfortable one.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
^^
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
"more like gay marriage caused all those MIRTHQUAKES amirite?!"
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Spectrum is burt_stanton fyi
― runaway (Matt P), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
also, the fact that Spectrum is also aware of said co-worker's hatred of Chinese people indicates a pattern of behavior
....
yeah.
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I work at an office – with students, whose privacy and rights are zealously guarded – and while I'm discreet about what I discuss an atmosphere in which your gayness is taken for granted is essential.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, it's a tightrope walk ... on the one hand, I want to keep making money until I get a new job. On the other, I'm always going to have this discomfort in the back of my mind working here. What makes it more difficult is that we're a team - he's basically my only real coworker and I spend the entire day with him. I'd confront him about it, but he's uber-Catholic, and so any rational or humanitarian arguments I could make would be going up against a lifetime of belief that likely props up his ego and self-identity.
My only solution, I guess, is to find a new job ASAP.
― Spectrum, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
or not "props up", but makes up ... is, I suppose
― Spectrum, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
and when you leave, don't forget to schedule an informative exit interview.
― surm, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 October 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, if I do say anything it'll be when I'm leaving. My biggest hope would be to help a change of perspective; we get along pretty well otherwise. But no sense in stirring up a big pot of shit when I need to keep cashola in my pocket... I'd rather not miss out on a trip to Europe just to show up some guy's ignorance. I don't like that this situation even exists, but ... it's the way of the world right now, unfortunately.
― Spectrum, Monday, 10 October 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
an atmosphere in which your gayness is taken for granted is essential.
OTM, and I'd add that a reputation for confronting bigots is good too. "Confronting" not meaning "arguing with," but not letting BS slide. Not that either things help in a situation where ugliness is already established - especially since you're planning on leaving - but still.
― Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
IANAL, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem like that guy's behavior would be sexual harassment or any other violation of any federal employment discrimination laws. It might violate a state law, if the employer knows about it and lets it continue.
Why do we never talk about ENDA? We argue about gay marriage, DADT - why can't we bicker about ENDA?
― Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not a pattern, just that comment. What I found weird about it was facing the idea that a person would see me as something almost inhuman or evil just because of my sexuality. Never had that experience before, even growing up in a working-class town and everyone thinking I was gay (and being convinced I wasn't).
If it's somebody's ignorant opinion, it doesn't bother me so much beyond thinking about myself in their eyes ... and there's a very short shelf life to how long I care about that. There doesn't seem to be much value in standing up for myself in this situation since I'd be putting my happiness in the hands of a person who thinks gay people cause earthquakes. Vindication payoff questionable, not worth the stress it costs. I'm sure other people would feel differently.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Say, if I could help open his mind a little, then it'd be worth it for me, but there are too many conflicting factors that make it a risky move at this stage. If I even remember this when I find a new job I'll talk to him about it, but lordy that'd be an awkward conversation.
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I would wait and see if it becomes a pattern and then say something. Surely there's some kind of anonymous report line you can call?
― corey, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
That'd be funny, I'm the only person he works with. It's a tiny US office of a Chinese electronics interest (one of their products boasted, "Now radiation free!", I'm not kidding) and it's run by Orthodox Jews, so I'm not entirely sure there'd be a sympathetic ear. This is just a transient gig for me, so I'm not sure raising a stink would be worth it.
Now that I've got my gay retrospectacles on, I think some of my past mistreatment from colleagues at other jobs may have been something similar, but far more obnoxious. The person at my job now is pretty nice to me (despite awful beliefs). Thinking even further back I developed a pretty thick skin growing up because I was "different", and now I'm starting to realize why that happened. I think I'm about to have a moment......
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, if the pattern shows that he doesn't like gay people and he doesn't like Chinese people, it might just be that he doesn't like his job and is blaming it on the people he works with.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Does he know you're gay? (sorry if I missed that part)
― Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
No... though I'm not sure if he's figured it or not. Some people do, some people don't ... a friend once said I come off as 65% gay 35% straight, though I have no clue what the criteria are, or how valid his methodology is (that would fall squarely on gay).
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
That's my predicament, except I come off as 90% straight. I have to tell everyone, including gay men :/
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
The guy I'm dating doesn't believe I'm gay.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 10:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Dating? Yay, Rev!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Things that have made him question my sexuality:
Disinterest in makeup and womens' fasionLove of whiskey and ale; dislike of wine and fruity drinksInsistence that I could probably fix the broken table he planned on throwing out
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd add: "Disinterest in adding 'girl' and 'honey' for effect."
How'd you guys meet?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Jesus, he's awfully hung up on stereotypes for a gay person!
― Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I was talking to my gay friends* who are a pretty bearish couple about street harassment. They were saying that they get hassled regularly by guys calling them fag or trying to intimidate them by invading their space. I could hardly believe it b/c, as I've said, high school and 2004, I had not been called a gay slur by anyone until some jackass in Chicago's bro-central called me a fag. Until a couple weeks ago when they told me about their experiences, I thought that that sort of open bigotry and harassment was all but unheard of on Chicago's North Side and other cosmopolitan areas. These are pretty tough looking fellas who don't seem like easy targets, so I wonder why I'm not getting hassled?
*I have, like, some gay friends! We are meeting for gay drinks tonight!
― Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
So Lex fought off jet lag like a pro and met me downtown for dinner and drinks last night! I introduced him to the exquisite joy of the michelada.
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd just be like, um, i can show you that i'm gay if you want?
lovely to hang out w/joe last night! we had mexican food then went to a bar where total freedom were playing (trina "pull over", beyoncé "end of time", pearson sound "deep inside" blended into "push the feeling on" et cet) and i still feel embarrassed that in my jetlag-addled state it slipped my mind that tipping was a thing i should have done
ha xp!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the ACTUAL ENDLESS joy of the michelada
Je55e, do they get hassled maybe because they are a couple and thus communicate their sexuality more openly than you do?
― Ice Old Bee (jaymc), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
That's lame about the street harassment Je55e. Maybe people don't pick up any signals of "non-hetero-normative" about you. I've been harassed on the street my whole life - NJ, NYC, etc., called "fag" "fuckin homo", had bags of garbage thrown at me on my bike, and I'm not uber obviously gay - just effete and aloof looking. But that may be enough in the US for a man to be a FAAAG!!
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, don't worry, guys. His tone when he makes these comments is teasing, not actually incredulous. He's as much poking fun at the stereotype as he is at me. I think after the first time, it just kind of became an in-joke.
We met online a few months ago and never got together, then we ran into each other a couple weeks ago at a bar and got together.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I've only been gay-bashed twice in my adult life that I can recall. First by some dude who thought it was hilarious to answer his phone "Hey, nigger faggot" as he walked past me. The other time by a hooker in Portland when I turned down her services.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The first incident happened on Cap Hill of all places, wtf!
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMrWSTlvgg
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
only time i've ever had someone yell FAG! at me was in SF, of all places
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
are y'all excluding all instances that took place in high school or did you just go to a really friendly school
― corey, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
was looking thru the NYT gallery of 'per se' and HOLY SHIT I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS PERSON WHO IS HE
http://i.imgur.com/5THs4.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/xajAt.png
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
he's like if jesse eisenberg was actually hot
"traditionally" hot
what the hell is 'per se'?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Per Se Galore?
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
That couple is more "gay-acting" than me, that is true. I asked them if there was any pattern to what precipitates harassment (it was hard to ask that in a way that completely avoided victim-blaming) and they didn't think so.
Per Se is a restaurant in NYC. Someone posted a NYT story about it on the quiddities & agonies thread and like I said there, what I got from the piece was a juvenile lol at this sentence "Per Se in its early days could be a marvel of pretension and clock-gobbling silliness."
That guy in the sweater vest (jumper waistcoat?) is beautiful and he I would engage in clock-gobbling silliness with him.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the coquettish forelock of J0rdan's boy.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i never ate at per se :/
― theosophy b. hawkins (donna rouge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm starving for a delicious sausage, egg, and cheese biscuit. A delicious one, though. The biscuit has to be done right. Time to go to North Carolina.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Or Chik Fil-a.
fuck per se, let's get biscuits
― surm, Thursday, 13 October 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
(i mean there is nothing like a biscuit in the morning. nothing.)
Not even sex. Cuz you must deal with morning breath.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I read about Per Se in the NYT on the train home, lol'd at the prices. for fucking FOOD!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2011 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
This week is a big one for a certain type of baseball fan, as the Society for American Baseball Research — SABR — gathers at the Long Beach Hilton for its annual conference....On-site registration is $59 for a day, $93 for two days, and $159 for the full conference.
...
On-site registration is $59 for a day, $93 for two days, and $159 for the full conference.
― Ice Old Bee (jaymc), Thursday, 13 October 2011 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Spectrum, I'd say to the guy, "Your insistence on knowing what your God wants is absurd and certainly more sinful than two people engaging in intimate acts."
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 October 2011 06:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Or I'd do what I'd actually do, and say, "Fuck you, you homophobic asshole." Fuck a job.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 October 2011 06:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't do on-site registration, jaymc, and that's not a meal. Aren't you a busy newlywed, tho.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2011 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just saying, people have different priorities for what they spend their money on.
― Ice Old Bee (jaymc), Thursday, 13 October 2011 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
o i c
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2011 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
and it's not a conference.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yea i just don't keep my mouth shut around jerks like that. i understand that you don't want to shit where you eat but honestly some people just need to be told.
― surm, Thursday, 13 October 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
When I was younger I used to get into fist fights about this kinda stuff... maybe I've lost my taste for personal conflict or something. My fear is that I don't handle irrationality very well ... if I can' get anywhere with reasonable arguments, I get mad, and that's where I imagine this would lead since this dude is strongly religious.
But honestly guys, I'm still fairly new about being gay, so part of the trouble is handling myself with that cool pride that earns respect without starting a shit storm. I'm getting there and I'll be fine, but I don't want to fumble this when I have my sole source of income on the line -- it's not like this guy is some random office-mate, he's my partner in a very small, family-style office. At the very least it's inspiration to work my ass off to become more independent in my career life. That way I wouldn't have to measure my personal feelings against the need to not starve.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 13 October 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Super high prices for fine dining is why it is a special occasion treat (for most people) that some people save up for and splurge on. And it's certainly more than just "food." That's like saying of a a painting "That much money for a couple of pounds of acrylic, canvas, and wood!"
Anyway, I had a full and awesome night last night. Went to see Portishead play, then hung out at one of the gay sports bars where I met a really adorable union carpenter guy. He's 33 and very boyish, but best of all: 5'5" tall!!!! This morning he reminded me of my opening line when I met him: I sat down next to him and said, "Take me home with you." And he said no. But apparently I was very persuasive, and he took me home with him.
― Je55e, Friday, 14 October 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Spectrum, all I can offer you is support and my exhortation to be patient. It takes a bit to create a persona.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Jesse thar is an awesome story!
I did unholy things with a rabbi last night (and also this morning)
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 14 October 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow!
― Je55e, Friday, 14 October 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
that sounds hot
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 October 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
*paris hilton voice*
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 October 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
hoooo boy
I used to see Hasidim in the backroom at the old Wonder Bar back in the day.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I <3 hairy jew boys; all the ones I know are straight
― corey, Friday, 14 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah this one was hairy and also bearish and fed me coconut sorbet and gin and cake, among other things.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 14 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
never met a non hairy rabbi in my entire life now that i think of it
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
was he Reform?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I think so? But I mean he kept kosher and had his iPhone language set to Hebrew and also had a rainbow mezuzah. Like he was super into Judaism.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 14 October 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
a friend of mine has crabs
brings back terrible memories
― surm, Friday, 14 October 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i never want to be back there again
― surm, Friday, 14 October 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
ever
Contrary to popular belief, they're a major pain and don't go away with a simple one-time application of shampoo.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2011 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh my dear lord, I think he carpenter might be a HOT MESS. Clue 1: He called me at 1:50 a.m. But you know, sometimes you get a late night craving, and it's been a long, long, long time since I've received a booty call.
Clue 2: I just had a long phone call with him in which he told me way more than I needed to know at this stage. E.g.: He took recently dated/parented a 20 year old, gave him money, got ripped off. Also, about his mid-20s suicide attempt. (I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like guys I hook up w/ feel OK about telling of their suicide attempts. This has happened at least 3x before, with even very "together" strait-laced "normal" guys. It's either that my big, pleading eyes make them want to open up, or being around me makes them consider giving suicide another chance.)
#3. Not really a sign of Hot Mess, but holy shit, he's from the South Side and OMG hearing him talk is like playing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSB5ev41Sk
Actually, if he were not Messy otherwise, that would be kinda hot.
― Je55e, Saturday, 15 October 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I realized while I was on the phone with him that the reason I haven't been on either end of a booty call since around 2003 is that most people I know just about never use the phone for personal/fun. Stevie and I discussed talking to each other on the phone and while I'm not averse to the idea at all, it just seemed almost like the idea of sending each other letters in the mail. Again, not that I'm against the idea, but it just didn't make any sense for a second.
― Je55e, Saturday, 15 October 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Cmon don't fucking ask me if I'm gay right in front of my pops. I mean, he knows the deal and all but wtf have some common sense. And be goddamn satisfied with the answer "kinda", cause that's all you're going to get, no matter the situation.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
man
― corey, Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Everybody still gay?
― Je55e, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Had drinks w/ Stevie last night, I think we both are. Still.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i slept with a ton of women while this thread was down, but that's all over now so
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i just bought a lipstick called rose glimmer
― surm, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh. I missed Rev's post, pre-Event. Yikes!
― Je55e, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Oy, while ILX was down, I got a reminder of why it's hard to remain friends with exes, even the ones that dumped you and not vice versa.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
(Was going to make that post gay-specific, but I'm pretty sure that's true across the board.)
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, why?
― Je55e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"even the ones that dumped you" ?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, if I was the one who did the dumping, there would be no possibility for recidivism. But because I was the one dumped, now I have to be the one to say "No, you were right the first time."
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 20 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
hi y'all
― corey, Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Was struck recently to do an ILM poll of Prokofiev Piano Concerto #2 vs. #3. But I realized it would just be more efficient to ask you which you prefer, Corey.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
aww
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
really the only Prokofiev I've heard that's hooked me so far are the 1st and 3rd symphonies, L'Enfant prodigue and Pas d'acier. I had a bad reaction to one of the PCs (No. 1 I think) so I haven't investigated the others yet. Recommend any recordings?
― corey, Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I think you told me you had a reaction to one of the concertos. I think the second and third are something like the pinnacle of 20th c. music for me right now, but ymmv if Prok hasn't done much for you yet.
2: Horacio Gutierrez is the standard bearer, but I really like the time Anna Vinnitskaya takes with the first movement.3: I prefer Argerich's later recording with Charles Dutoit (1998) to the earlier, more famed one with Claudio Abbado. Again, Gutierrez is pretty fantastic, too. Some swear by Graffman, but I think his range isn't quite flamboyant enough.
Recordings of the 3rd outnumber the 2nd by about 8-1.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
So this thing is no longer a going concern and I don't get it. He seemed so into me when we were together, but barely interested when we were not. I pretty much had to pester him to get back together, even as he kept saying he wanted to see me. I think he's just a flake and I've given up on him. Communication death and we didn't even smang. Smh.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 October 2011 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, Rev.
― corey, Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck, I've had something similar like that happen to me once and it's so confusing and frustrating. Hugs, bruv.
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 20 October 2011 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I pretty much had to pester him to get back together, even as he kept saying he wanted to see me.
SO fucking frustrating.
And also a habit I've worked hard to break myself of.
― Je55e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i am strongly considering supporting the classical radio station xxp
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry rev - unfortunately that experience is all-too-common, as i've found
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
so common
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I've done it to people person myself.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
And, yes, support your local classical stations.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm also thinking about getting some photos taken of myself. for like a zine.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
.... yeahh.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
what kiiiiind of zine?
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
an apple computer zine
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
So this thing is no longer a going concern and I don't get it. He seemed so into me when we were together, but barely interested when we were not. I pretty much had to pester him to get back together, even as he kept saying he wanted to see me. I think he's just a flake and I've given up on him.
This sucks, Rev, and I'm sorry. I'm very sympathetic because I've been the dick who's done this to a couple of guys (not recently though). The motives are mysterious. In my case I liked the guys but the attraction wasn't powerful enough to stave off boredom. At the same time I was too cowardly to formally end it.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Rev, sorry about that. I've been on both ends, glad I've cleared up some of those issues (at least on my end).
The past couple of days, I've been following this whole brouhaha over the article in Fab magazine about racism on Grindr/A4A/CL/etc., and I'm wondering if anyone else has been following it. A good summary is here: http://gay.fleshbot.com/5851036/which-of-these-horny-hunks-do-you-prefer-is-that-okay and a classic thread of trolling racist morons is here http://www.queerty.com/discriminating-against-race-on-grindr-doesnt-make-you-a-racist-20111018/ .
Tbh, the whole 'no blacks, no asians' (or whatever) thing is one of the reasons why I don't really use online hook-up sites any longer. The racism simply makes the whole experience even more icky, imho.
But the whole discussion has made me think about my own issues regarding attraction and body type, race, etc. I've always been pretty 'welcome aboard' to all races in real life, and have hooked up and dated dudes of quite a few different ethnic makeups. But I have to admit— there have been times where I've openly stated my disinterest in hooking up with 'bigger' guys, and I've started to interrogate that preference as being somewhat...ridiculous. For while I don't necessarily fantasize (ie jerk off to) about bigger men, IRL I have no problem interacting with bigger guys sexually or otherwise. This could just be a usual sort of disconnect between the inner fantasy life and the outer lived experience, but it makes me wonder whether a lot of the racism found on hook-up sites or apps is the fantasy life being projected upon the actual lived experience.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, I guess most people are too stupid to interrogate the way their fantasy life plays out and limits their lived experience?
Most people are stupid, so it shouldn't be surprising, but it still makes me sad, for some reason.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it is pretty clear that it is not racist to prefer certain races and body types. it is just a sexual preference.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
nobody should apologize for who they are attracted to. granted online hookups can be douches, and there's a certain way to say things.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
mmmmmm uh oh, see here's where we disagree.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i think zachary sire is kinda OTM tho that 1) yeah, there's a difference between "i'm not sexually attracted to (x) race/body type/hair color/whatever" vs. "i am actively discriminating against person of (x) race/etc in a real-world situation where they will be put into a disadvantaged social/economic/class position" - the bedroom isn't the boardroom (well, most of the time) - but to bear in mind that just because you're not attracted to that type doesn't mean that other people aren't or that they're lesser human beings because they hold no erotic potential for you, and also 2) the "no asians/fatties/etc." sign functions as a handy advertisement that that person is a boor who isn't worth my grindr dollars anyway
there's also arguably some icky racial...things involved in eg a white guy being like "i want a big black daddy to fuck me" too, i think
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i just don't think there's anything subjective about the statement that it is ok to like whatever body types you like. i refuse to call myself a racist bc i do not want to have sex with certain races. that is ridiculous and intellectually unsound.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
if you like asian dudes because you think they are beautiful, that's not racist.
if you like asian dudes because you think they are all passive and submissive, that's completely racist.
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean ... i know for a fact that a good amount of people are not attracted to me. i'm lebanese, and i'm hairy, and that's not everybody's bag (teddy iirc you sometimes don't love a hairy dude). and i'm like, fine with it. other fish in the sea.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i also think this issue is decidedly not exclusive to grindr
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
or whichever your preferred digital meat market is
But I think that what I'm getting at is the idea (that Mattilda speaks to, I believe) that one can say 'Asians aren't my type,' WITHOUT EVER HAVING BEEN WITH AN ASIAN. it's discriminatory because it's based on an idea of what constitutes 'Asian,' not any sort of experience outside of the inner sexual fantasy.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
also surm you don't really have any idea as to what i like or dislike. i'm pretty damn open.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i like to think that the word 'preference' implies that you're not 100% aligned to your type, eg my preference is for dark-haired guys but i'm not at all shutting out the possibility of dating or at least making out with cute blond guys. i do think a willingness to engage with people outside your boner comfort zone is a good thing.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"boner comfort zone" = I got hard.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i do think a willingness to engage with people outside your boner comfort zone is a good thing.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
but that was my favorite word in that sentence :(
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:46 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
actually, i do have some idea, because we've all been posting on a gay thread where we talk about what we like and don't like when it comes to men.
and i wasn't saying you are not open, i just remember a casual comment you once made about enjoying a smooth body, and not always getting off on a very hairy body type. that's it. no need to front.
also, i don't need to be with a certain body typs to know that i am not attracted to it. just like i don't have to be with a woman to know it doesn't get me off.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't buy those last two sentences, surm. wouldn't buy them from you, or anybody else.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
bottom line for me is that i reserve the right to like whoever the fuck i like, no apologies. you might be right in saying that if i tried something i didn't like, i might find an experience enjoyable. but for the most part, i know what gets me hard.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not conscious of currently having any racial prefs -- all men are generally useless or disappointing, but if they're breathing and want me that's usually good enough -- but some Irish dude who I wasted entirely too much time w/ last Saturday night aked me at the W'burg bar if I thought the men there were attractive.
"About a third of em," I estimated.
His followup was "Do you like black guys?"
I made him repeat that, waited a beat, and sang "Black boys are de-li-cious!" from Hair.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
all men are generally useless or disappointing
<3
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
and donna i didn't mean to avert your question before . . . . i don't know what kind of zine, the kind that has semi-naked pictures of men in it?
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"No Asians" is a huge turn-off for me, and it is WAY more common on Grindr, et al. than IRL. The extreme douchebag outliers eliminated, how many people who are mostly attracted to whites and Latinos would ever say to an Asian person who said hello to them at a bar, "Sorry, I'm not into Asians"?
I also don't care for no fats, no femmes, HWP (heigh-weight proportional), and of course the term "clean." When people use the word "clean" in reference to HIV/STDs, I want to sit them down for some a few hours of Clockwork Orange time w/ Diamanda Galas performing This is the Law of the Plague.
― Je55e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:36 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, i've seen some porn blogs that are mostly white dudes or two (or whatever) white dudes but interspersed are photos of white twinks getting fucked or "abused" or w/e by big black or hispanic guys and there's something really gross and offensive about that type of fetishization imo
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yea jess there is definitely a way to say things - and a lot of the time, why even say it at all
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
or all of the time for that matter.
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the 'no asians' thing is the most ubiquitous, and thus the most egregious, and also the one i am most sensitive to, seeing as how i'm dating someone who is half-Chinese. after two or three dates, we were in bed and i asked, "what is your ethnic heritage?" and he turned around and said, "thanks for asking that way and not assuming anything," and then went onto explain that people peg him as Asian or Latino all the time without even thinking about it. (the only time he plays into it is for self-preservation— he can't wear red or blue in his neighborhood, because if he does, Nortenos or Surenos fuck with him).
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
also the HWP thing is so dumb it makes me ill. distribution of weight is SO much about individual body type that it should have no bearing in these sorts of matters.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i met a half japanese boy one time who was like, v v hot. just to spin this on its head for a minute -- i was looking through japanese vogue? and a LOT of the boys in there were either white or japanese men who looked very white
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
fashion mags in making everyone a white person shocker
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
altho usually they try and make white ppl look asian, so maybe they are on to something new
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I also don't care for no fats, no femmes
At what point do age limits enter the picture, and is that different? This made-to-order stuff, all of it, just closes ppl off from a specific individual who might deviate from their little cafeteria boundaries. "OMG, I thought my age limit was 35, and this 44yo gave me the fuck of my life," etc.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i have this book of plastic surgery and in it, it has a lot of examples of people of asian descent getting surgery on their eyes to look whiter
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
can u imag?
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
does the "no asians" thing include the indian and pakistani dudes? filipinos? i find that super weird.
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
cf. also bollywood
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm only into dudes whose first names are also the names of cities"
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
should i have pizza right now y/n
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
(i already had sweet potato fries)
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
what sort of pizza?
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
"vegetable"
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
We had our 'health fair' at work today, and my weight and bad cholesterol just keeps going up. SO, PIZZA!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ook not touchin it. thanks!
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm having "breathe deep" tea instead
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
At what point do age limits enter the picture, and is that different?
I forgot about that one. Also annoying at times, though maybe a different in some way? I am not going to think too poorly of a 19 year old who sets a boundary of 26 or a 55 year old who sets a lower one of 40. But for every instance of what I consider reasonable expressions of preference, there are tons of ageist jerks, even ones for whom their own age is too old.
― Je55e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to hook up with a 40 yr old really soon
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Gimme four years, surm.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a date!!
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yay! I'm that chick indeed.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i'm going thru my summer late this year. i feel very ... antsy ! ! ! !
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmmm, I feel lazy rather than antsy during summer.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
hey so I thought I'd share -- I've been out to my mom for a few years but my sexuality & my boyfriend have been pretty much forbidden topics of conversation around her super-conservative catholic husband and my younger bros. i went along with it for a time, mostly out of fear & uncertainty about what his reaction would be & whether he would prohibit me from having a relationship with my mom & brothers, since he's a sanctimonious controlling prick
but I've been in therapy for a little while and finally mustered the self respect & courage to directly address the situation, saying what a burden secrecy is & how hurtful it is for me to have to keep the man I love a secret for their convenience. this was all in an email I wrote last weekend, and I've talked to my mom once since. she was upset and anxious about what this means going forward, but it's necessary for me and the only way to demonstrate my respect & commitment to my relationship with D.
the situation is evolving & idk where I'll end up with my mom & her husband & their kids, but it's a step -- one that I feel really good about taking
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
helllllllllll yeah!
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
that sounds like a great first step! proud of you :)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Way to go, elmo!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Good job!
― Je55e, Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yah, rad, elmo!!!!
also, just felt my first earthquake in Cali, though i've definitely been here for more than a few. twas tiny. just felt like a truck hit my house or something.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it was elmo's courage pulsating thru
― surm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
4.8 on the self-actualization scale!
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
it was a 3.9, epicenter pretty much right under the Berkeley campus.
GOD HATES ACADEMIA
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone have any opinions on portland, or?
― runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
WHITE PEOPLE
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i think it's ok. less provincial than salt lake but not exactly a big city. bf really likes it too.
xp yeah seriously :\
― runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
that's my one complaint, no diversity. might even be worse than salt lake?
― runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a nice place, actually. but any place that's 74% white people just gives me the heebie-jeebies a bit, i grew up in philadelphia.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i had fun last weekend though. people danced, at a club, to house music. there was even a black person there.
― runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
about the same, tbf.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, I meant to mention to Eric and T, I took my first climbing lesson! It was incredible! And really challenging. I hadn't done a lick of weight or resistance exercise since I moved in July, and no running for over a month, so it wiped me the fuck out. I've been back at the gym, and I can't wait to have a little more endurance in my forearms next time.
― Je55e, Friday, 21 October 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It felt weird and unnatural the first time I let go of the wall at about 20 feet up. My brain deadlocked with itself trying to force me to let go or hang on. My forearms broke the impasse.
― Je55e, Friday, 21 October 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
bravo, elmo <3
I lifted my (old tube) TV tonight.
Very friendly Eagle crowd in Portland. Saw a nice gal-on-guy flogging there.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw that you'd started from a FB post, J3ss3. I thought I'd liked it, but I dunno with the new FB layout. Things slip by me so easily.
I love watching newbie climbers get past that first "let go" moment. I also like watching them totally worn out from the first few climbs. I forget what it felt like to feel like total jelly and not to even be able to land on my feet. I sometimes miss that feeling.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Eric, the Gotham nominations are out, so, detrius.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Thought NRQ would do the honors this year.
Plus, what fresh hell is it that NYFCC moved their year-enders by three weeks?
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
2 weeks, I think. Very prez-race circuslike.
Has nrqy mayne even posted lately?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure, I haven't trolled many of the movie threads in the last few months.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
After I became OK with letting go, I tried the auto-belay and it got freaky all over again.
I was reeling with giddiness when I posted about it on FB, but it really is something to literally let go and trust someone to keep you from plummeting.
I wasn't thinking when I chose the location with the outdoor wall for lessons going from mid-October through November. They'll probably postpone Sunday's lesson since this weekend's going to be a continuation of yesterday's Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald conditions :-/ Hopefully we can switch locations if Indian summer doesn't come back.
― Je55e, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I want to go out for a drink b/c I'm wide awake and stir crazy, but it's 12:21 on a Friday night, so it's going to be not-low-key everywhere within a reasonable distance of my home. Even the little lesbos bar will be fully right now. Hmmrmrrm.
― Je55e, Saturday, 22 October 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
There have been so many fucking idiot bros screaming down on the street tonight. There are always a few revelers, but tonight they're being idiots. Three drunk dummies are hollering at cars and mooning cabs....
Some friends who drove here from NY bought me a paper grocery bag full of fireworks in Indiana, which I have had for months. I'm always so tempted to throw firecrackers out the window at jerks. They would never be able to tell where they came from, but I can't further disturb the peace that way.
Anyway, I guess I'm off to the lolManhandler. Ta.
― Je55e, Saturday, 22 October 2011 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i have been sitting around with my cat and boyfriend. we watched an episode of 90210, then threw on some sex and the city. 5th season. we also made brownie sundays and took a nap.
― surm, Saturday, 22 October 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
That was lots of fun. That bar is a rare holdover from he late-70s/early-80s Chicago gay scene, and as such it's sleazy, but friendly also and quiet in some senses. I'm pretty sure it's the only bar left in Chicago that plays porn in the main room. Its "back room" is a courtyard w/ a tin roof. One of the old-timers told me that they added the roof in the 90s when straight DeP@u1 students started moving into adjacent buildings and complained of the plein air debauchery.
― Je55e, Saturday, 22 October 2011 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, I been dere
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds good
― plax (ico), Saturday, 22 October 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
it's saturday and i'm at work
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/struggin/photo-1.jpg
^view out the window
― runaway (Matt P), Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
damn
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
life is fucking rad, y'all.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
tabes, were u around that shit at Occupy Oakland?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
also jesse, i think an indoor wall is most certainly necessary for chicago. christ, it's necessary for here.
i bouldered today. it's getting to the point where i'm giving people beta and it's working. didn't have the best day myself— got thrown off of this v6 way too many times— but a good round of core exercises and 45-minute sauna session later and i feel fantastic.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
*the shit*? which shit. i've been around for a lot of stuff, missed it today because i was helping my friend move things and/or having sex.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I read about some nasty police aggression that happened on Thursday or Friday
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Went to the gay cowboy bar on their one disco night. Got a number.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Sunday, 23 October 2011 08:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh. I need a sex life I'm going insane.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 23 October 2011 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
xp did you get a hand-drawn portrait of Grace Jones as well?
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't believe I missed the discush on ageism. I have quite a bit to say about that topic
― (╯° □≗)╯︵ ┻━ןɐıɔǝds━ʇɥbıן━pǝɹ━┻ (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I am wearing my best cardigan right now.
That is all.
― the tune is space, Monday, 24 October 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
pic?
Age is such a weird thing in that people get freaked out about it so easily, and I'm hesitant to discuss it (re: fucking older guys) with a lot of people because of how freaked out they get. I've thought about it quite a bit and I'm convinced it comes down to the way people use age as a means of sorting people into some hierarchical structure whose upper/lower tiers are "off limits" to them in terms of closeness, friendship, intimacy, etc., and it's something that they cling to very dearly and get very nervous about when it's permeated. I mean, I just find it really easy to talk to/relate to guys of all ages and have a great deal of friends who are around or over 40 who I'd consider my peers; obviously there's that inevitable gap of life experience and, often times, wisdom, but I've never thought that it was some sort of thing that had to actually separate people. So, as a result, I often times approach/talk to/build friendships with older guys like they're people my own age.
I mean, on the flip side, I've definitely interacted with older guys who also cling dearly to this hierarchical structure and as a result talk down to and even fetishize me as a "young guy", and it's really skeevy.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Also a lot of times (but not always [but a lot of times]) 40 year olds are, like, *really* good at sex.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6213/6274794847_cf5f3f8ec3.jpg
lame pic of me (what *am* I doing with my head?) but it's the best pic i have of this cardigan, which I love
it sort of looks like an old TV tuned to static, only in sweater form
― the tune is space, Monday, 24 October 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm 40 and I like getting it on with dudes of many diff. ages
totally get that if you overplay the age divide it can be creepy
hard not to tho, esp. when some people are very into roleplay about that difference
best to treat people as individuals and just follow their lead about verbal stuff that goes there
I like and am attracted to people my own age too, and I feel like that avoids the "chickenhawk" sketchy thing
― the tune is space, Monday, 24 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa, you got some crazy moiré all up in that. Yeah, the age roleplay is something I could never get down with, and I've had a few guys that have wanted to be my "daddy" or some shit and I tried playing along once for a little bit and then was like "okay, no". I just cannot do it; it feels really icky and incestual to me. I have absolutely no desire to be viewed as younger/juvenile/baby/etc. I mean, dom/sub is totally fine, and even sir/boy I can get down with, but something about "daddy" and "son" is just eeugggh to me.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 24 October 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I guess it's a reality that people have "types" but that doesn't mean that you treat actual people as if they were just living examples of a type- the trouble with people who are "chickenhawks" -or "daddyhunters" for that matter- is that they are looking for some living individual person to plug into a fantasy scenario that is about categories rather than individuals (in this case, age categories, but maybe not so different from people who need a bearded person or a tall person or a certain race of what have you)- so there's something kind of un-ethical and instrumentalizing about it insofar as a person is being treated as a type rather than a unique agent- but then, as somebody prone to think in terms of psychoanalysis, I also have to fess up that it is simply no surprise that those linguistically defined terms and categories really are how many people's desires are wired- and it is no surprise that lurking behind a lot of sexuality is a fetishization of power differences that are bound up with early childhood experiences- I mean, I couldn't be a Freudian and not see that these totemic parental figures are objects of desire for all of us, and Stevie I think that that's what is behind your visceral "eeugghhh" response here- the incest taboo is really powerful and it's there for a reason- but because it's powerful, people want to tap into that power in controlled bursts during sex through things like roleplay, dirty talk, etc. Your disgust is just as intense as other people's pleasure at getting into these kinds of scenes- and in both the disgust and the pleasure, the source is the same early childhood training we all have.
― the tune is space, Monday, 24 October 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
that is so totally otm
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 24 October 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
dr#w otm -- about power relationships and his hair.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 October 2011 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm praying that this isn't the UK's Matthew Shephard moment:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15426893
Not that on its own it's any less horrific and twisted of course.
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Monday, 24 October 2011 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
NO STEVIE HE DIDN'T BUT WAY 2 BRAG ANYWAY
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Monday, 24 October 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
drew OTM for realz upthread.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Monday, 24 October 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
In my experience the decision to Act My Age around younger prey depends on the guy's demeanor. In a couple of cases "role playing" is unavoidable: he sought An Older Man, so that's what I'll play. I find the practice slightly loathsome because the exchanges can't escape a certain condescension, and it's alien to my nature.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not alien to my nature, but I think most younger men are confused when one breaks into laughter.
(i'm trying to parse the prey doing the seeking in the first 2 sentences)
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
A healthy sense of irony, like a well-used semicolon, is catnip.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
This weekend I had an overnight encounter with a 52 year old who after we had already spent a lot of time together revealed his age like he was dropping bit of a bomb on me.
― Je55e, Monday, 24 October 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
aww. was it fun?
jess what is the name of that kitty litter thing again?
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
It's Smart Cat Box. http://www.smartcatbox.com. I'm getting an error message when I visit the site right now, but it was working earlier today (I was buying more seeds, I wasn't just browsing).
― Je55e, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks!!
I started using it the first week of August and the 4 lb. bag of litter (seeds) lasted until the second week of October. That's longer than I should have waited before changing it and the seeds were beginning to lose their waterproof quality. It's probably realistic to say that a 4 lb. bag 6 weeks.
xp- NP! Also, FYI, I have two cats, one of whom I wonder if she is* sort of diabetic or something b/c she pees so much!
Anyway, I really recommend it with no significant qualifications.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yes you know - my cat is peeing more in her older age so i'm thinking this is the way to go
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Sometimes I think about starting a thread in which I recommend products, "life hacks," and what not, and where others do the same. If there were such a thread, I would say: The Roomba is a miracle appliance. More value in my life than the dishwasher.
― Je55e, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
is that the DIY vacuum?
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
they need to make one of those that mops
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and btw a "jesse reports" thread would be most welcome
very drunk 24yo hit on me while I was watching World Series in a gay sports bar. We kissed a little and I gave him a hug when I left.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
It's kind of the opposite of "DIY"! It's DIFY (does it for you). And they do make one that mops
http://www.robotbuy.ca/images/products/secondary/125.jpg
― Je55e, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I just remembered the name of M1ndy K@ling's blog: Things I've Bought that I Love.
I do not know what a Smart Cat Box is, but it sounds intriguing. Might have to get one for the boy's 4-month-old kitten.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Write-up of the queer camp @ Occupy Baltimore, wheeee!!!
http://www.baltimoreoutloud.com/lgbt-news/local-news/item/831-mortville-the-queer-encampment-at-occupy-baltimore
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
omg i want that mop
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
PS awesome Morbzy!!
― surm, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
great name choice. there's a punk house slash performance art/music venue in chicago called mortville that i always get dragged to, so usually the name has a semi-bad connotation for me, but it's really perfect for the circumstances (also: hi guys)
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
*~~**-Hi-**~~*
Who are you??
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
hi, uh, i live in chicago, have lurked ilx off and on for a long time but have only recently started posting a little bit?
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Couple Chicago peeps on this thread (including me). Welcome. :)
― corey, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
hi, gays!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Huzzah!! I am so happy you decided to join us!!
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
You should be getting your honorary membership card and safer sex packet within 4-6 weeks.
Do you two know each other?
― corey, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
No, but I always get rly excited when we get new homos.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks stevie, although i'll probably lose the membership card like i did my cosi card and my blick card
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the hipster thread is that way ====>
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a punk house slash performance art/music venue in chicago called mortville
mortville!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
mort is my middle name
woah. that's quite a revelation.
this is v exciting to have a new person on the thread.
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
:( sry i didn't know cosi was so exclusive
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i used to love cosi bc they had pizza that i liked, and smores, on the island
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
cosi the restaurant? there's no way that shit is hipster
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperate_Living
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
there's one in the lobby of my office building, it's p aight
good breakfast sandwiches
cosi's bagels are called "squagels" because they are square, and i always found that name disgusting but i sort of miss them now that i'm not next door to a cosi every day
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi there, new person!
So I won a pile of booze at the gay film fundraiser silent auction last week (two bottles of scotch and one bottle each of silver tequila and spiced rum, to be precise). Unfortunately I feel sick-ish at the moment, but a good strong scotch totally relieves sinus congestion right?
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i find a shot always goes a long way. a shot and then like keep drinking your water and tea or vitamins or whatever.
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Or or or wait til roommate gets back and then make hot buttered rum??
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― 1staethyr, Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:43 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol i really would love to tell the founder of cosi that making a bagel a square instead of a circle and calling it a "squagel" doesn't make it unique or anything
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 October 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
everything in the score should be a square or served in a square cup
store*
a square bagel i just don't know - that's like against a law of nature
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it's really stupid
i feel stupid saying "squagel" but i've worked at enough food chains with fucking stupid names for their products to know that the only person stupider than the person that doesn't say "squagel" is the person that goes out of their way to be to cool to say "squagel"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I only heard about squagles/Cosi through a David Cross bit. Had no idea they were real until I moved here. I like their caprese sandwich, which is especially good when I'm in the Loop, which is kind of a food desert after 7pm.
― corey, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
square was their thing tho huh? why is that
they just like, liked square things
right? like pizza slices, sandwiches. no? i feel everything was squarish
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh. I had no idea that Cosi called them "squagels"!
I never find myself at a Cosi. Usually Corner Bakery, though recently I've been in Au Bon Pains a couple of times.
Welcome 1staethyr! I'm a Chicagoan, too.
― Je55e, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
jesse ur so nice
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel the world could use a few more ppl like u
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, thanks, though I'm not sure what I did that was nice!
― Je55e, Thursday, 27 October 2011 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i've seen "squonuts" in shops. gave them the side eye
― lex pretend, Thursday, 27 October 2011 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the significance of the name "Mortville"?
― The Reverend, Thursday, 27 October 2011 07:04 (thirteen years ago) link
it's the name of the queer shantytown ruled by edith massey in desperate living
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:23 (thirteen years ago) link
PS everyone there's an interesting bit of discussion on the OKC thread about gay stuff re: availability of NSA sex, having sex with friends, etc. if you guys wanna jump in
Just when you thought it was safe - OK CUPID PART 3: The Return of the WOO!
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 27 October 2011 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
!! I LOVE Edith Massey and I can't believe I haven't seen Desperate Living! Gonna correct this problem this week. It's not available streaming or I would be watching it right now on the bus.
― Je55e, Thursday, 27 October 2011 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Desperate Living is up there with Female Trouble imo. Peak Waters.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I deleted OKC (again)
― corey, Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Still have my dummy profile up. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Forgot my login.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i keep a google doc of all my logins for everything
SNAP
― surm, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
My logins and passwords are currently horribly undermanaged. I was keeping two very spearated spreadsheets, one on Google Docs with user names and the other hand written with passwords, but that was unwieldy.
I started using KeePass, but then I FORGOT THE MASTER PASSWORD :( and it has absolutely no recovery process, which is as it should be, but still a problem.
Now I use Last Pass, which is awesome, but I have been way too busy to input all the passwords.
― Je55e, Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
The thought of snuggling up on the overstuffed chair with my laptop and a mocha at the adorable coffee shop by my house and spending a couple hours spiffing up my logins is like the dreamiest thing I can imagine right now. Especially if it were snowing outside.
― Je55e, Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Apparently it is queer film festival season in Montreal? Bunch of interesting looking stuff, including Weekend and a musical by Eytan Fox and We Were Here (doc about early AIDS crisis in SF). Any thoughts by those who have seen the above? Or better queer cinema from recent years?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 27 October 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Image+Nation is the festival in question, btw.
Also, a hearty welcome to our latest compatriot.
The massive construction on my bus route home is giving me more time to catch up with iLX guilt-free. Missed y'all.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 27 October 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I missed you too. How's law school?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 October 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i forgot my passwords to EVERYTHING online. h8 our brave new digital world so much
― lex pretend, Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
It's chugging along. More practical/activist-y extra-curricular law-related work is keeping me sane (pro bono whatnot, course development, etc. etc.). This semester I'm getting rid of a lot of mandatories, so it's fairly dry but next semester should be fucking awesome.
This is a light week, and I have a functional computer once more, so life is good. Essentially.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
We Were Here doesn't reinvent the interviews-and-clips doc, but it's solid, esp for people who weren't in old San Francisco (me included). And some of the stories are harrowing, obviously.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i finally picked up the samuel steward biography. it's good! it's been making me think about desire in a clear-headed way -- very new for me, lol. when it comes to sex, i think i've always confused histrionics with passion. now i'm seeing how clarity can actually uncover passion, if that makes any sense.
also, has anyone ever been to langlitz leathers in portland? i swooned like hell, it's amazing. the whole shop is pretty much there to see. $1500 leather jackets crammed next to each other on dowel racks. the guy behind the counter was really really nice too.
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Pardon the interruption: If a young man responds with an enthusiastic "I love to craft!" when faced with a query regarding the art projects and happily shows up at a work Halloween party wearing monkey ears and tail, is it possible that he might belong to your brotherhood?
― Virginia Plain, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
possible and indeed probable
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
j/k idk
I don't really think the costume means anything, but "I love to craft!" otoh
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
new ish of the wire came in the the mail today with "dr3w daniel on queer sound" on the cover, i was like "oh hey!"
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
he's famous
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
so listen, there's an underwear party in the hood tonight. i just don't know. i have not been going out for a while and i'm feeling sensi. what do we think about this
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i could keep my shirt on tho
so it would be more like a shirt and minis
it's like a dance party with DJ's you know it's not a eyes wide shut type thing
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well, what fun is that?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
sometimes ur very smart
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
anyone else? gut instincts? reactions? what is everyone out?
and btw virginia honey any guy who says he loves to craft is blowin some smoke in the opposite direction if you know what i'm sayin mokaaay
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I am being sick for Halloween. (not by choice)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Although maybe for the better since I put no thought at all into a costume this year. I'm bad at Halloween.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sorry dollface
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha, it's probably for the best if he is gay because otherwise, oops sexual harassment, but on the other hand, how often does an adorable young man fall into my life? Will report back. (He also dresses well and has really nice shoes, and a good haircut, if that's of any import.)
― Virginia Plain, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
― surm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
out of my league.
get well, donna. I was going to be Jack in The Shining bcz I have the unshaven slob look right now, but didnt buy an axe. (also, I don't like the film, but I can do a reasonable Nicholson)
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
He is totally hot. Sigh. He doesn't seem gay, but maybe Midwestern gays are different?
I'm seeing "The Shining" at MOMI tomorrow night, 7 pm, if you need any inspiration. I was Harriet the Spy today at work.
― Virginia Plain, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Did you wear a hoodie and Converse sneakers and carry a notebook?
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Of course. Also wore glasses, binoculars around neck, utility belt with a flashlight, magnifying glass and pouch attached to it. Forgot the Swiss army knife and tomato sandwiches.
― Virginia Plain, Saturday, 29 October 2011 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Harriet the Spy changed my life b/c it was from her that I learned of the glorious tomato sandwich.
Oh god, I let summer pass without a farmer's market tomato in a sandwich :(
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Saturday, 29 October 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Guy from country bar called and left a voicemail. He sounded so nervous!
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh, terrible week. i swear, if i fall for another straight boy (and the intern, of course)...:/
hey j0rdan, did you ever try grindr in columbia? good/bad?
― licking your challops (Tape Store), Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link
well i don't have an iphone so, no
they just got on android recently, been thinking about it, but the immediacy of it bothers me
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
you kids & Grindr. It's cheating.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 07:44 (thirteen years ago) link
grindr for blackberry still hasn't emerged despite their promises
displeased about the growth of halloween as a thing in the uk, h8 fancy dress, it stresses me out. i am going to a halloween rave tonight though.
― lex pretend, Saturday, 29 October 2011 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ha i'm doing the same and uhh... my friend somehow convinced me to go as a wrestler! it's probably been 15 years since i've gone anywhere near a costume, so this is no small feat.
― handy ban (lou), Saturday, 29 October 2011 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i blacked out at a halloween party last year and later discovered that i behaved terribly. i was dressed as dionysus so i guess i can blame it on an invocation of the godform, but tbh i'm okay with staying in this year and watching just watching some cronenberg & argento flix.
― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Last night was all Hallowe'en drama and debauchery. But also a lot of dancing, so that was fun.
Went half-assed on costume this year. Just a cowboy, which is boring as fuck compared to last year's high concept group modern art gallery. But I couldn't think of anything as good, so didn't really bother.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Two minds about costumes. They feel like a pain in the ass obligation most years but on the few occasions when you think of something really fun/clever, they can be a blast. Two of my friends went as Cruella deVille and a Dalmatian.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I wore a lycra skeletonsuit costume to DJ in last night at this techno Halloween party at the Bank in Baltimore
kind of a crazy rollercoaster evening
con: a beer was accidentally spilled into my laptop, fucking it up and curtailing my dj set (laptop is now okay, getting cleaned/fixed)pro: went home with two friends and had ridiculous triangular liason till 5 amcon: had to get up again at 8 am and put on suit and tie to be presentable at university function
so, downs n ups n downs basically
― the tune is space, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
there's hope for us all
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Harriet the Spy changed my life
Mine too! And I spied on my neighbors.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
too broke to do anything for hw, but I'm not bummed.
― corey, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
going to see a 3D Soviet film (1947) tonight
snow/ice/slush in NY on Oct 29 is creepy enough for me
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, and (tmi): messing around with a boy and girl at the same time is weird
― the tune is space, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember "Harriet the Spy" having a curiously strong emotional impact on me too
Doesn't it have a friendship-reversal-plot ala "Blubber"? (not to say that they're similar, but)
― the tune is space, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, gays: I don't care at all for Halloween, although I usually go to a couple of homo benefit parties. I won't this year though. Plus, in this town you gotta drive everywhere, and the cops are merciless.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It's weird if they're a couple.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
My ridiculously simple costume this year is gonna be
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljxq9k7fG51qbqoxjo1_500.gif
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I've always wondered what would happen in that scenario and I feel like no matter what it'd be me on the guy and the girl on the guy and the other guy on the girl and it would just be weird.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the usual threesome drama compounded: either everybody's interested or it's drama in the morning.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm, same w/ male couple the one time i did that
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, kinda.
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The ending of Harriet the Spy is one of the most poignant I've read. Fitzhugh finds the right note ("Sometimes you have to lie").
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 Ole Golly.
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
In March 2010, Disney Channel premiered an all-new version of the story, entitled Blog Wars, with Wizards of Waverly Place cast member Jennifer Stone as Harriet, Alexander Conti from Cheaper by the Dozen 2 (2005) as Harriet's friend Sport, and Degrassi: The Next Generation's Melinda Shankar as Janie.
Oh dear.
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
in this case- I had a long n torrid affair with the guy ending a year ago, he used to go out with the girl, and I've been making out with the girl lately at shows in a "drunk n experimental so fuckit" kinda mode, so there are various layers of "ex-ness" going on too
fun, would do again
― the tune is space, Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
haha excellent -- you're my kind of hedonist, dr#w.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
We def must meet if I visit Baltimore soon.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Leave it to you guys to turn an innocent Halloween discussion into a litany of all our perversions. God luv ya <3
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, I should have focused on the skintight skeleton outfit. I was just trying to imitate this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1DmdgOdHgw
holler at me alfred if you come thru Baltimore, though Stevie D and Tabes can attest that I am often kinda slammed with work and tend to only socialize in brief manic outbursts (#compensatingforbeingaworkaholic)
― the tune is space, Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
If you wear that costume when we meet I'll take it as a brief manic outburst.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Changed my mind. I'm now going out dressed as "bondage." (Thematic costume, more so. Not actual bondage gear.)
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Sunday, 30 October 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
oh bondage up yours
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Whatever I do tonight I'm going to listen to Change's "The End" ad infinitum.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Awfully hard to type this way.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Sunday, 30 October 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm being lazy and going as a Lost Boy. there's something about Halloween that has started to rub me the wrong way as i get older. but then again, i've also grown to really dislike dressing up. let me wear my fucking black cut-off shirt with my black jeans and my black combat boots, like i do every day.
evidence: my housemate just put some mascara and eye-shadow on me, and i couldn't stop giggling because it tickles so much, and then she said, "you're so butch when it comes to make-up."
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 30 October 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Morbs, I was thinking tonight of dressing up as Shelly Duvall in the Shining: beige turtleneck sweater underneath green checkered cambray shirt, brown overall corduroy culottes, sheepskin and suede booties, and a knife. Maybe next year we can coordinate as a duo.
― Virginia Plain, Sunday, 30 October 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Please do that, and deliver everything you say in a really unnatural and forced manner.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it has, i use it but it glitchy as hell. i hate my blackberry but i got it free as a friend's cast off.
weird night: i went to a friend's for a drink and walked home past the uni - lots of hot boys dressed up. half a mile further on i catch up with gorilla-suited guy (sans mask) with a northern irish accent asking me if he was walking in the direction of town and explaining that he had to get to his mate's flat so that he could get some sleep before his 10am flight to belfast. i explained that he wasn't but if he walked with me for a bit he could get to the main road where he could get a taxi.
as we are walking he told me he had lost his friends because he had gone back to a girl's flat and she had thrown him out. the guy seems adorable (he's 21, 21, 21...) so i sympathise with him. shortly afterwards he asks me where i've been and i tell him about my uneventful night. after that he asks me if i'm top or bottom (!), taken aback slightly (although i was getting a vibe off him) i say that i'm mostly top "but it depends" etc... he tells me he's bottom. okay....
when we get to the main road and find a taxi he ends up coming back to mine, i'm pretty excited, this hasn't really happened to me before and he's hot. we get straight down to it as soon as we get into the flat. he takes off his gorilla suit and he's wearing jeans but no top under it. a quick feel tells me his cock is fucking massive, yep.
after some kissing and to-ing and fro-ing and whatever else (i'll spare you) he's trying to fuck me but it's not really happening so i try to fuck him which i do relatively successfully (actually not too well tbh) but i'm so het-up i come pretty fast (shit happens) and have to end up... well, whatever, fill in the blanks.
as soon as he's done he gets up and goes back through to the lounge to put on his jeans and gorilla suit again. i get up and ask him if he wants me to phone a taxi? i phone several numbers but they're all engaged, it's Halloween weekend, after all. he's getting pretty stroppy by this point, actually, smoking a cigarette in the flat without asking and flicking the ash on the floor - he starts throwing a rubber-band ball around the room, knocks over a painting and is generally being a bit threatening, he's a big guy, much bigger than me. i can see the main road from my window so i can see that there are lots of taxis on the street and they're all going back into town empty so i tell him where to go to flag one down.
after he leaves i breathe a sigh of relief but as i look the back window to watch him go i wait, and wait... it seems he's taking ages to leave the building. i realise why as soon as i see him - he's stolen my bike which i generally leave on the half landing unchained (silly i know) and he's opening the garden gate and getting on to it. i grab my keys and run like fuck down the stairs. i'm wearing jeans and socks and nothing else. by the time i get to the gate he's only 50 yards on because he's so drunk and i live on a cobbled lane which is a nightmare to cycle on - unfortunately it's also a nightmare to run on since i've only got socks on and it's been raining. i'm gaining ground on him though. it seems it's easier to run in socks on wet cobbles than it is to cycle in a gorilla suit on wet cobbles.
just as he's about to reach the end of my lane and turn onto the tarmacked part on the next street & therefore gaining ground on the flat surface (shakespeare street, my side street is called hathaway lane, i love this fact) i see a guy walking towards him who seems to work out the situation without me calling for help, i can;t anyway cos i'm so out of breath. the approaching guy grabs the handlebars of the bike and it topples over. gorrilla suit (brian) falls off but rights himself pretty fast and runs ahead but the nice guy has my bike. he's pissing himself laughing and asks what the situation was and i make up some b.s. about a Halloween party that got out of hand. it doesn't even make any sense to me as i'm telling it and he's looking at me oddly but laughing good-naturedly anyway.
so i shagged a 21 y.o. irish lad with a massive shaved cock and i still have my bike and all's well, i guess. THE END.
― jed_, Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmOoekbK6YI
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago) link
wait what jed? that is fucking crazy.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
it was kind of good that i posted that shining scene right after :-)
anyway, i'm about to go to the party i promote. halloween themed. ay! it's going to be nuts.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
haha tl,dr obviously. i just write that for myself so i could remember the night before i go to bed. night-night.
― jed_, Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
have a good party! x
― jed_, Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
oh it's definitely worth reading. crazy story. glad you and your bicycle are all right. gnight.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
GOOD STORY
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
best story. That's crazy.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 30 October 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, only my last roommate (1995)'s tricks stole anything of mine (electric razor).
so i shagged a 21 y.o. irish lad with a massive shaved cock
must. visit. Ireland.
Went to the gay bar in Slope where there were a lot of opera costumes (big-boned bartender as Brunhilde). Then to my gay friend's 'regular' bar filled with 28ish kiddies. I step out to the snowy patio w/ him and we hear some str8guy (v hot) relating how he thought the girl he fucked last week "broke his dick" since it was sore for days after; she kept interrupting the fucking w/ going down on him, and he'd never been hard for 2 hours w/out coming before.
I told him "I'm in my fifth hour right now."
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 October 2011 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
morbs!!
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 October 2011 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
surm (and hi everyone else, str8 dude checking in on yall's (bookmarked) thread), I saw some guys on atlantic in full secret mask regalia that may have been bound for the party you were considering? they looked good. also, playing your (what i think is yr work?) tomorrow. maybs see you down there
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 30 October 2011 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link
woah! r u playing with sufjan?
― surm, Sunday, 30 October 2011 05:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yep tmrw, u work?
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 30 October 2011 06:03 (thirteen years ago) link
o god no, i worked all day today
sorry to miss u though, the show looks cool
― surm, Sunday, 30 October 2011 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah! catch u nxt time, be eeeasy
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 30 October 2011 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link
you too dude, be good
― surm, Sunday, 30 October 2011 06:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I went to a soul night that my friends didn't show up to, and spent most of the night dancing with a cute girl who was dressed as Nancy Drew until I had to run out and catch the last bus home. Rather uneventful by comparison.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 30 October 2011 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Jed, that is a totally nutso story! Glad you got the bike back tho, I'd've been furious if he'd gotten away.
Ended up having Halloween funtimes after all! Went to get bent's party where we all watched the Paul Lynde Halloween Special (featuring Florence Henderson, Betty White and KISS) and then went to a crazy warehouse party in Lincoln Heights. My roommate, our friend and I dressed as Party Down caterers, matching pink bowties and all (I even managed to find identical serving trays for us at the very last minute).
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Sunday, 30 October 2011 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Ladies and gentlemen, jed.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Great story, jed. Well worth reading.
Table, I love that scene from The Shining.
My Halloween partying was a movie marathon at a friend's house. 7 horror movies in a little over 12 hours. We chose movies that none of the organizers had seen before and we wound up with a pretty nice variety.
Today, rock climbing even though I have a little cold, and then maybe going to see Future Islands? I want to not go climbing b/c I'm sick but last week my arm was injured and if I miss two weeks in a row I'm not going back.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh man Jed your story rules
― the tune is space, Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
haha, cheers. i kept waking up last night wondering about this really vivid dream i had had before realising that it actually happened.
― jed_, Sunday, 30 October 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
can't believe he ashed on your floor, i woulda lost it
― surm, Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, Corey: I bought a b&w baja yesterday!
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
It finally happened: I met a namesake.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
good afternoon
― surm, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry yr fave unemployed basketball guy-reality hoe newlyweds broke up.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
good morning/afternoon!
i have a date tonight, in pasadena! i have never been to pasadena before.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
morbs he's so hot
a date!! who is the guy? is he cutey?
― surm, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i like pasadena. there's an old bar there, i hope it's still there, where you can still smoke (on the d/l). xp
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
pasadena seems p chill from what everyone's told me about it
r4mz, his friend approached me in the bathroom line after my groundbreaking karaoke performance of "moonlight shadow" to ask if i was single, and then i approached him on the dance floor later.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
this is v storybook
― surm, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
crazy weekend guys, went to glasgow, ended up trying to rob some dude's bike
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
this guy
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
what was al ship doing in Glasgow?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
stevie d could you please like email me or something
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
al did u ever get a hug?
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh T i wish you were here for pacific standard time
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, besides by me and darraghmac earlier xp
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
t3d, is this that guy you don't like? bcz based on this article i'm inclined to agree:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/fashion/rhyme-or-reason-alex-dimitrovs-wilde-boys-salon-for-poetry-or-maybe-a-hot-date.html?_r=2&ref=fashion&pagewanted=all
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:36 PM (2 days ago)
i had no idea what you meant by this until a girl in my class was telling me about it today. i thought you were just referring to time zones are were potentially high.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
nearly posted that in the quiddities NYT thread. ugh, I get rlly homophobic when I read that shit; have your lil fashion twink reading on a raft off Fire Island, preferably in a bad storm.
xp
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the guys in the lead photo is a friend of mine
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
this is about halfway vicious enough a response:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/11/attractive-young-writers-finally-find-way-hook/44495/
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't even care enough to read that times article, it's basically a vom-fest in text
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i miss nyc less and less every time i read about things like that
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate it when reasonably smart, reasonably attractive people are all gathered in one spot!
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
are u guys saying u r not annoyed by that write-up
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
what on earth is wrong with those guys' mouths?!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
They either got fresh liposuction or gave fresh blowjobs.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
" Stylishly disheveled and slimly tailored, they took stock of one another at the bar"
i.e. "They checked each other out"
R Lawson hit nail on head:
the poetry salon Wilde Boys has been formed with the express purpose of walling the beautiful bon vivants in and the malformed SUNY grads out.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I do admire his honesty: it's something I would said to the reporter.
“I invited the cute gay poets right away,” Mr. Dimitrov said. “I sort of had a list of gays that I wanted to come, and some of them that I wanted to sleep with.”
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Would bet 90% of the poetry they have to listen to sucks, so there's that.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
pretension soup
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
or blows
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no problem with smart attractive people, it is the airs that i have a problem with. i have no patience for airs.
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
speaking of airs, they probably all wore the worst cologne.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
ie, cologne
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't listen to the poetry most SUNY grads I've met wrote.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Didn't get that far, tbh; TG;DR
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
POETRY AS PICKUP LINES:
“This is actually my first salon that I’m attending as a single bachelor,” he said. Having poems as a centerpiece of the night, he added, helped ease him back into the group. “You kind of forget that we’re all attracted to each other and want to go home together.”
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
poems as lubricant
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
You'd prefer lube as poetry?
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"The lube was a poem."
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
At work, so I can't quite pull up the embarrassing litany of Astroglide pr0netry I know exists.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't even read it. the opening graf made me cringe. plus whogivesashit.jpg. fussy self-involved privileged young gay men with literary aspirations surrounded by stupid furniture boners. i'll take ugly and stupid, thanks.
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh they're really not even that attractive
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"furniture boners"!
now, see, THAT is a poetic figure.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
starting Ugly & Stupid salon at my apartment; lube provided
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ spring gay thread title
The guy organizing it is pretty fine imo. The rest maybe not so much.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
googled "ugly gays" and got
http://rantventrant.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ugly-lesbians.jpg
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm ugly and stupid, but you don't see me going around celebrating the fact.
i just realized i know the guys who's apartment that is as well. i work with them; they send my office brownies at christmastime.
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
haa they found each other! xp
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
surm maybe you can infiltrate the salon and report back!
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that would be SO COOL if i could make it thru the night without impaling myself with a cheese knife
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm probably mustering more hatred for this than i otherwise might because i just watched 'metropolitan' last night
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
The guys in Metropolitan are more smhable than Queer Poesy in Williamsburg.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
my bf just told me he's 'friends' with dimitrov on facebook bc dimitrov randomly friended him a couple of years ago. he's like, i have no idea why he friended me. just the whole idea of this guy setting himself up with an arbitrary circle of friends-gone-possible-fuckbuddies skeeves me out.
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The only thing that would skeeve me out about it is not being selected to join the circle.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the new york times is so weird why are they covering a private party
― plax (ico), Thursday, 3 November 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
bcz everyone is well-dressed and Important.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
(I'm sure their mentors and sugar daddies can dress how they like, tho)
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if you gays will like Noel Coward's letter counseling a heartsick Marlene Dietrich:
http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/2011/11/noel-coward-tells-marlene-snap-out-of.html
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't mind this "peek" into privilege.
xpost
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh, idk man, that salon sounds like an absolute nightmare
― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 3 November 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I just stumbled (via Facebook) onto the fact that a fairly well-known gay pr0n star also works at my parent company.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, that Ch4rles 0sg00d!
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
that poetry thing seems too remote to get worked up about. there was a guy i thought was cute in one of the photographs.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
also btw hi
Update: he's not gay! (He mentioned a former girlfriend.) But he is 23 and nominally my employee.
He says he likes to watch old movies but has no one to watch them with . . . how can I refuse?
― Virginia Plain, Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
CAREFUL!
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
surm today i had a conversation with a girl in my class about my so called life and she brought up how rayanne does an angela chase impression in the our town episode
― plax (ico), Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
she's like "and then your face falls"
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it was a major bonding experience
― plax (ico), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if you gays will like Noel Coward's letter counseling a heartsick Marlene Dietrich
About as much as this series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2vNpHR0a0
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure it was plaxi, ur very bondable
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
at the NY FAP last night, I threated to get a mobile device as soon as there's an app to find older gsy men near you, which would be activated by answering questions about Judy Garland films or Queen albums. It would be called Limpr.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
:|
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's an enema, old man.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
lolll DR MORBIUS
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm listening to a radio pgm from the late '60s with gay men talking about bars/hangouts/cruising spots of the time in nyc. there was once a bar in north bergen, nj called Charlie Dickens
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the hosts says he goes to cruise bingo halls in east village churches at least once a week
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It would be called Limpr.
Eldr
― handy ban (lou), Thursday, 3 November 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
goitr
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, November 3, 2011 2:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
nice boys with their mothers?
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man that nyt thing about the salon, barf city
the vampiric way that older-n-wealthy transacts access to young-n-cute by way of a supposed passion for "poetry" is really grotesque
the Lillian Vernon angle is hilariously naff too
I mean, yeah, twas ever thus- looks help, and who you know helps, and that's always been true in life, duh, but still . . . this is so blatant
I've always been annoyed by this phenomenon in the art world, what my bf and I call "Cute boy art", that is young/emerging gay artists whose work is heavily narcissistic and which tends to commodify and sell access to either the (attractive) artist's body or the hot bodies/faces of the demimonde of their friends/lovers/peers- and you can see this across the arts scene- the breakout of Anthony Goicolea, Ryan McGinley in the last decade- it perpetuates this proximity between "gay" and "goodlooking"/vapid/narcissistic/shallow/looks-ist which I see as implicitly different from, say, the "queer" abjection school- of a Robert Gober or a Jerome Caja or the more humane and measured presentations of, say, Cathy Opie
I never really thought that poetry would be amenable to this kind of bimbo-ification because it's mediated through texts and, y'know, not about "looking" in the first place
guess I was wrong
― the tune is space, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if he's getting invited:
http://gawker.com/5785017/this-awful-poetry-video-is-not-a-spoof
― the tune is space, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
The way to put a stop to the cute boy objectification is to ask the twink-poets how well they know Raphael's parts in Paradise Lost.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
paul mpagi sepuya
― plax (ico), Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh THANK YOU xp. i hate cute boy art. i can't even tell you how much i hate it.
omg and i was JUST thinking of paul sepuya! i've met him, he shows at our gallery once. i hate his stuff.
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i've met him too, he's a sweetie
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
but generally, yeah, "cute boy art", meh
i started a thread about something related to this a while back, and i mentioned sepuya's fotographs in there, tho i don't think by name Sex, drugs and art (and you)
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
n+1 had an article recently about the "two ryans" of contemp art (mcginley/trecartin) and how they represent a divide in thinking about/expressing queerness post-21st c and what have you. my allegiances are pretty firmly with the latter (messy and boisterous and exclamatory over tasteful and "looking"-y and overly, uh, aesthetic or something)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean it's not that I don't love looking at beautiful people- of course I do- but we have a pornography industry and a fashion industry and a movie star / TV / media "hotness" factory already- yes we also have an art practice that is free to draw on everything in order to fuck around with what gets called art- yadda yadda- but so often I feel like "cute boy art" is dog-paddling along on cuteness/hotness in ways that are so derivative of industries which are a lot more honest about their agenda- a jeans ad knows it's a jeans ad, porn knows that it is porn, but "cute boy art" stands in bad faith to those domains thinking that it is art if it's in a gallery and for sale and made by somebody with an MFA from some program in which they were graded more easily by their older gay mentor because of their entitled cute lil face- I'm not saying it's not art, just saying that it's bad art in that it contributes nothing other than "hey! a cute person! over here!"-
I mean, think about how "meh" you feel as a gay man when you see, say, an American Apparel ad with a hot chick in a tight/skimpy outfit- you see it and you recognize it for what it is and it does pretty much nothing for you from the waist down- that's what the str8 world gets out of gay coffeetable book after gay gallery after gay art show after gay retrospective of "cute boy art"- nothing more than the sense that "wow these gay dudes sure are obsessed with skinny twinks looking bored in sparkly white apartments, aren't they? anyway . . . "- which is, y,know, whatever- but if "gay art" means CARAVAGGIO-to-WARHOL and not *just* WARHOL (and yeah I picked these artists because both are relentlessly aware of male beauty as subject and problem) then "cute boy art" just isn't doing anything that ought to be celebrated or rewarded with our attention and care- the bar needs to be set higher in terms of technique, meaning, consequences, internal relationships- and that would probably bridge the gap from the cute to the beautiful in the process- sepuya's guys are cute, jack smith's art is beautiful; james bidgood is the ultimate problem here because it's "cute boy art" that transcends that to attain beauty (he's the Hegelian synthesis)
― the tune is space, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i can give or take much of ryan mcginley's work (tho he is occasionally stunningly brilliant) but i have a thing for ryan mcginley the person
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I suspect the poetic equivalent of Cute Boy Art is Rupert Brooke. Aesthetic too.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been photographed by Ryan, I like his work, and he's hot (otherwise we wouldn't have taken our clothes off for BUTT) but . . . I can still call a spade a spade
― the tune is space, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i really love what you're saying.
i mean - i would LOVE to have a jeans ad hanging up in my apartment
really would
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
but not a sepuya :(
― surm, Thursday, 3 November 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i also think that art is often made in a kind of social way, or that milieu and coterie impact heavily on how and why people bother making things. desire and bodies. what irks me more is the self-consciousness of it, the obsession with certain codifications of how that milieu should look, a focus on a certain stylisation: this poetry salon seems so deliberately reverential and referential. my god a salon. or even that butt magazine style revival of a sortof retroed queerness. although really a lot of this is just people with money having high concept parties.
― plax (ico), Friday, 4 November 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
To play devil's advocate: if I'm a queer scion and putting money into a "scene" or look, I want my money's worth, i.e. attractive butts reading fourth-rate homo poetry.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean its your money i guess
― plax (ico), Friday, 4 November 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i think butt mag has a lot to do w/ "cute boy" art, like it's always bothered me how they focus more on the subject's looks and sex life than the work that they do?
― 1staethyr, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
than on the work that they do
― 1staethyr, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
not trying to blame butt magazine for the phenomenon obvs
― 1staethyr, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
best gay male zing line about poetry's relationship to getting laid is frank o'hara's: "As for measure and other technical apparatus, that's just common sense: if you're going to buy a pair of pants you want them to be tight enough so everyone will want to go to bed with you. There's nothing metaphysical about it.”
― the tune is space, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
only now we've got the consequences of that flippant remark but not the brains and nous that backed it- a poetry salon scene that is, ala Dr. Seuss, "a pair of tight pants with nobody inside them"
(that said, I can't dislike Eileen or Brenda or Susan etc. i.e. their cast of Ladies They Love has some undeniable greats)
― the tune is space, Friday, 4 November 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Huh, poetry day. Now I know how Morbs feels when the topic turns to food.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to admit that I've always been closed off to the artistic power of poetry outside of the weird exception of Robert Creeley.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
heh, i was in a writing workshop class w/ sepuya @ nyu
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 4 November 2011 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
like wtf is this
http://paulsepuya.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1120515cb-450x600.jpg
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
o WOW how insightful
i can't.
rawr, et al, fuiud
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
haha surm
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I try not to think about the whole "cute ____ boy" thing too much bcz it just frustrates me. Like, "Okay we're all going to be wanted and win at everything because of this sorta arbitrary thing that we just happen to have and you can just go stand in that corner over there"
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, sorry I'm not beautiful. Don't even bother having a conversation with me or anything; clearly I'm not worth talking to and won't have anything interesting to say.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
you are beautiful
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
that picture of you with chocolate all over yourself from a while back - shits all over all of it :)
yeah really stevie
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Hah! I totally forgot that existed--did I actually post that?? Ooops. I mean I guess that sounded way more mopey and self-pitying than it was supposed to and it's not like I think I'm hideously ugly or something but idk, sometimes I think it wd be nice to be more "conventionally attractive" or whatever. Of course, this is mostly just insecurities talking and 99% of the time I'm p damn content w who I am and fuiud, etc.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Poetry only breaks through to me on rare occasions, E, so don't feel so bereft.
The more I plumb the depths of an alluring man who's not 'conventionally 'hot, he seems infinitely sexier than some unapproachable random lovely.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:27 (27 minutes ago)
pretty cantankerous lately, huh? or has that always been your thing?
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
What, I'm the only one that can't lay down the fuiud card?
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
it was just kind of random but do what you need to do
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It was not random and fuiud.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Larry Kramer mad.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Sun sets in west.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
what should i order for lunch
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Corned beef and hash, mimosa.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
what abouuuuuut . . . . . a falafel wrap and tabouleh?
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess there's a point to being mad as long as gays are stupid enough to love Obama and give $ to HRC.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
man, talk about a morning where all i'm doing is catching up on my internet ranting and rebutting and raving....
Alex Dimitrov is a self-serving, assimilationist, trust funded, elitist piece of garbage. His poetry is fucking awful sentimental garbage with no insight into anything of much substance except feelings that housewives and dumb rich faggots can appreciate. Fuck his salon, fuck its attendees, fuck him.
Seriously, I encourage everyone to go here and read this shit: http://alexdimitrov.blogspot.com/ .
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
He is the one who once said to me, "I'm not interested in politics, I'm interested in poetry," which is perhaps one of the most ignorant statements I've been witness to in the past couple of years. And that's saying a lot, as I'm sure you all can surmise.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, this guy is a real dumbass
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i never want to look at that website again.
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm hardly an expert on what constitutes 'good' poetry but that one on the front page of his blog is pretty dull
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the picture of him in paris pretty much says it all
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
he comes from the Mark Doty/Sarah Lawrence school of poetry that says and does nothing except appeal to the trite emotions of the ruling class. There are plenty of ways to write beautiful, inspiring poems that actually have some substance, politically and socially. But his do not.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
aieeeeeeeeee:
http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/poetry-spotlight/10/05/alex-dimitrov-james-franco/
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
What is also really quite interesting is that one of his largest supporters and mentors, Marie Howe, is the sister of Susan Howe, whose poetry and criticism is wildly experimental, critical, and gorgeous. Dimitrov also once said to me that he 'doesn't understand' Susan's work, which betrays not only a lack of imagination and insight but also a profound lack of curiosity in exploring more adventurous work.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, that one is just dreadful. like i would actually just laugh at him if i were at one of his readings
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
He's probably the only person I stay friends with on Facebook just so I can become totally enraged.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
also, in terms of the cute boy art phenomenon— i believe i've stated my problems with the whole thing here before, but i tend to agree with dr3w and others. THOUGH setting up weird binaries b/w Trecartin (whose work i find fascinating but weirdly unwatchable, for some reason) and McGinley (whose work i find gorgeous if sentimental and foolish) is not really my perogative.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
drew, just as a question: how do you feel about Bruce LaBruce, or Guy Maddin? what about some of the emergin cute buy artists, like Gio Black Peter? curious.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
oh hey, susan howe was with WBAI! we've got some recordings of her
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
here is a marie howe poem:
HurryBY MARIE HOWEWe stop at the dry cleaners and the grocery store and the gas station and the green market and Hurry up honey, I say, hurry, as she runs along two or three steps behind me her blue jacket unzipped and her socks rolled down.
Where do I want her to hurry to? To her grave? To mine? Where one day she might stand all grown? Today, when all the errands are finally done, I say to her, Honey I'm sorry I keep saying Hurry— you walk ahead of me. You be the mother.
And, Hurry up, she says, over her shoulder, looking back at me, laughing. Hurry up now darling, she says, hurry, hurry, taking the house keys from my hands.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
and here is some of Susan's work:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/howe/sample.htm
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i like that poemmm
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
it is the closed quotidian versus the openness of past, present, future. that is simplifying, yes, but the latter is certainly more engaging and challenging than the former, which is comfortable.
okay, done with my crazy poetry talk.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
that's a v good poem imo
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 November 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Susan Howe, whose boyfriends are wildly experimental, critical, and gorgeous
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I read the entirety of In Memoriam for the first time since the nineties, maybe the most homoerotic poem ever written by a straight poet.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lol my bf was invited to that salon on facebook - he's not even a writer!
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I bet he could churn out something of "James Franco" caliber for it!
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
lol.
i mean also, not to be a snotty shitbag, but that marie howe poem is garbage, imho.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
agree with table. I'm not fond of poetry that looks like an upset stomach.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
omg i'm sick of talking about this guy
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.cardmaking-companion.com/images/i-made-this-card-for-my-daughter-for-valentines-day-21306970.jpg
that marie howe poem belongs inside the above
― sarahel, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
what happened to us we just went on a trashtalkin bender
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
on the other hand I would allow James Franco to scribble sonnets on my body.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
DONE.
let's talk about real things, like how i woke up on november 1st and two of my housemates looked at me and said, "we had to put earplugs in last night."
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
You farting bastard.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Did you eat Taco Bell the night before?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
what, you leave the ball gag in the drawer on Halloween?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, morbz spot on. one of my housemates even said, 'i'm going to give th3o recommendationg for ball-gags when he gets out of bed.'
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i am going to shave tonight
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
my face
(!!!!!!!!!!!!)
― surm, Friday, 4 November 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
table im really liking your display name bc my new school friend is a lesbian who went to smith
― plax (ico), Friday, 4 November 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
that dimitrov guy has weird eyebrows, they make him look like he has an evil soul
― plax (ico), Friday, 4 November 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
so i chatted a bit with this guy on grindr this weekend. he'd messaged me before, usually stuff like "hello cute boy" or "good evening handsome man". i talked to him for a bit and he told me that he was so happy that i was talking to him and that sometimes he logs into grindr just so he can see my face because it makes him happy.
i need to get rid of this thing.
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lolll
"good evening handsome man"
― surm, Monday, 7 November 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Kinda lol but also mostly sad is that I just shot a story about the new rock climbing gym in Mpls. and felt really awesome that I got some digits of one of the workers there so we could climb together at some point. Sad because there's no way the guy's not straight.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
he's also "discreet"
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
er, xp
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
discreep am i right
― surm, Monday, 7 November 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i always think of discreet as being a kindof cute archaism .
― plax (ico), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
God I fucking hate when people address me as "sexy" or "handsomel"
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
What about "girl"?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
There was supposed to be a lot more to that post but Zing got in the way. The other day I realized how I was largely sick of Scruff/Grindr and I think I'm just going to stop initiating conversations altogether and see if anyone messages me. I erased all the profile stuff and just wrote something dumb about dancing to New Order
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean "sexy" or "handsome" or whatever is fine if we are friends and we've already established that (and even then it's mostly tongue in cheek) but ffs that is nagl for attempted flattery from strangers
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i realized tonight that my ideal man is topher grace circa 1999
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 November 2011 05:45 (thirteen years ago) link
so hot
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
"man"
― ...options. (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Raise the year to 2001 and I agree.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm. you mighta liked me around 1985.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
pix or it didn't happen
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
steve what are your feelings on the term "studmuffin"
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
In Good Company gave us a task of Solomonic complexity: deciding between Dennis Quaid and Topher.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
It sounds disgusting. There are much nicer ways to chip a tooth.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Like on a Quaalude.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Grindr sounds more like okc than I realized. I didn't know there was any preliminary conversating--I thought maybe you just pressed a button and proceeded to the sexing.
Things are going well with my 23 y.o. Took the train home together last night and talked about men's fashion all the while. He says his favorite actress is Patricia Clarkson; could this mean he likes older women?
― Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe! That sounds cute! And yeah, Grindr can be whatever you want I to. Its all chat-based and some people just want to exchange stats and pictures and a meeting time/location but that's sort of dull.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
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― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 November 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Grindr's reputation for being mostly for immediate hook-ups is not in line with reality, IMO/IME, which is that many people who use it chat, date, hang out instead or first.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I do not scan old pics and put em on the web, but I do have some of my 1989 standup-comic glossies left. So start begging, surm & J0rd!
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
duuude you have to. we need to see the morbs of another time, the age of innocence
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
sarge made a terrible mistake mentioning the Toph before lunch.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
well it was actually last night
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
before MY lunch
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
"lunch"
oh man I wanna see stand up Morbs
do it do it do it! upload that shit homie
Grindr can mean lots of time-wasting meaningless volleys of people saying "sup" and "hi" to each other for hours with no particular irl consequences
or sweet, lowkey chatting about stuff that is just fine with being chat and no more
or it can induce sero-to-100mph decadent crazy fuckfests with people you don't know before, during or after your experience with them
the choice is yours!
― the tune is space, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
at chuck-o-rama
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought about getting a Grindr account after The NYT said last Thursday that it was okay!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Grindr can also lead to all sorts of hilarious/awkward work situations
(i.e. your boss' boyfriend doesn't recognize you and initiates an exchange, your students are on there so if your profile pic is shirtless then, ta-da, you're exposing yourself to your students, etc.)
it can also become seriously addictive- you know you're in trouble if you're checking it while pissing at a urinal
kind of awesome to fire it up when a plane lands and find out who on the plane is a fag, how they look with their "gon get laid tonight" face on, etc.
― the tune is space, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
life needs more mystery, i say.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i once saw someone i used to intern for on grindr, tho he probably doesn't remember me (he's an nyc-based film writer)
my favorite places to use it are "neutral" spaces (e.g. airports, the DMV, etc.)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
hey jesse what was the name of the barber shop you told me about. i want to go back there.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
too much preamble with grindr, like you have to "chat" first. i'd prefer to make out on a dancefloor first idk.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I still maintain that That '70s Show had one of the hottest casts in TV history, and I don't even find Laura Prepon that attractive.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Monday, February 8, 2010 5:34 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
very hot cast
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
everytime i watched it i was like, is this show supposed to be G rated
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
donna was way hot
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I guess for me, it was mostly Grace, Kunis, and Kutcher.
― A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
don't forget Debra Jo Rupp.
any artfag artfilm recommendations for the NY MIX fest will be considered. I saw De Profundis a long time ago.
http://mixnyc.org/24/schedule.php
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think wilmer valderrama is hot
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i would check out 'community action center' (since i've missed it every time it's been screened)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Gabby's.
In NC I met a guy on gay.com who I didn't recognize was a former professor until I saw him at my door. We didn't go through with our plan, bc it was kind of weird, and bc he was too precious and fussy.
And the other day I saw my MD on Scruff. Gah.
Xxxxps
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Two jobs ago, my supervisor (the least awful of 3 at that place) was easily found on gay.com. I wasn't tempted.
thx donna.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm slowly mentally prepping myself to start going out again
i did end up going to that underwear party thing recently and it turns out only like 3 ppl did the underwear thing. luckily i wore jeans. i'm really quite nervous to go out on the town again. i mean i know once i get there it will be fine, buuut...
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll protect u ;)
― handy ban (lou), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I was just going to summon you! We need to have a pre- or post-Christmas do.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
you're really very sweet lou
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
You're all invited to my Christmas party in December, especially if you don't bring egg nog.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
funnily enough my friend bobby just invited me out on thursday night. i guess i should go. he'll want to makeout and stuff. i'd like to but i am going to be a hot mess.
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
what do you mean "but"
You mean "butt"
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
actually he does really like that
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
why are you nervous about going out, ramz?
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
o don, i don't know; i think i'm just out of practice. do you ever get like that?
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
its just that initial getting out the door thing though. once you're out you're such a hit.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure i was ever really IN practice to begin with. most of my "going out" lately is going to see movies (which i'm doing pretty much every night this week).
i went to the eagle by myself on friday for their monthly CUB SCOUT party (bcz i have, like, no gay friends in town). ended up spending most of the night talking to this queen i'd met at another bar a few weeks ago who had then kept trying to paw me all night. it was a bit more civilized this time except she kept trying to flag down guys for me to talk to (there was an EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE moment when she asked me "i bet you like BIG BLACK BOYS, right?" "er...excuse me?" "you know, n****rs!") she kind of snuck me into this one group of guys who were pleasant enough company and who later gave me a ride home. texted one of them the next day to thank them, didn't get a response.
so, this is my fabulous social life more or less
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you plaxi
omg queen sounds scary
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
she was wearing a blonde wig with a silk blouse and garters with what appeared to be just a thong underneath? and at one point she threw the wig out (!)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure gay men is the only demographic i haven't befriended in london. i even have lesbian friends now. getting invited to like hipster lesbian parties. lady parties. i need to learn how to get numbers. or like, names. I slept w/ this cute scottish guy in dalston a few weeks ago and as i was leaving i was like, maybe i should give him my number or something.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
even tho i feel like i took stevie to like a zillion gay places when he was here i barely go to any of them usually
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i always feel like everyone else knows each other but me. i feel like theres always this problem that in order to "do" nightlife in that way, you need to start identifying with some sort of subcultural group, like those guys w/ bear paw tattoos who know everyone w/ a receding hairline and a beergut.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
luckily i am super approachable
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
you are - you are friendly and you're good at talking
― surm, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
yes plax, I know that "everyone else in the club" feeling, most recently last Saturday night. Unfortunately, I'm super unapproachable (except for cute, paranoid Orthodox guys, apparently).
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
morbs- are you sticking around here for thanksgiving? i think i will probably be here.
donna- i love those GG parties so much, they've spoiled pretty much everything else in this city for me. it's been great though. was just telling ramz how it feels like i'm having the time of my life every time i go. having that as kind of an outlet really helped me get through an otherwise tumultuous summer. so nice to be able to rely on a diverse crowd, gay-friendly environment + your favorite music all at once. it's so simple but it was not at all easy to find, for me at least. anything like it in LA?
― handy ban (lou), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
what's GG?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to spend 48 hours in CT for turkey, lou.
Sotosyn, I would come down for that if the Marlins' park was open already.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't they get shut down? have they found a new venue?
there's a weekly party here that plays that kind of stuff (mustache mondays @ la cita, total freedom is one of the resident DJs), and i thought fade to mind was gonna have a regular monthly thing but idk. a lot of the ppl in that "scene" are based here tho
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
also i'm glad you have fun at those, i'd probably be there every week if i still lived there :)
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
al- GG = ghe20 g0th1k
d- yeah, they're not able to use that warehouse where i saw you anymore, unfortunately--was right down the street from where i live! but they did a CMJ party at westway in manhattan and their halloween party was in greenpoint.
i've heard about mustache mondays. so in love with total freedom! :) def. planning to visit at some point when there's a fade to mind party.
― handy ban (lou), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
so envious of ppl who get to go to ghetto gothik. it really sounds like something I'd be right at home at, that I can't really find here.
(there was an EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE moment when she asked me "i bet you like BIG BLACK BOYS, right?" "er...excuse me?" "you know, n****rs!")
uuuuugggghhhhhhhh
― cannibal adderley (The Reverend), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
plax - do you remember that timeI took you to Wawa and we ran into my dyke friends and they told us they were going to a "lady party" and you said "oh, a lady party!" and my friend Mimi was all "yes, a lehdy parr-ty" bcz every time I bike past that Wawa I think f you saying "lehdy parr-ty"
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
oh my god every time i walk past a *lesbian* i think of "lady party"
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
YOU GUYS YOU GUYS
so idk if you read/saw/heard about conan o'brien officiating a same-sex wedding on his show last week?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/conan-obrien-gay-wedding_n_1075414.html
...d4vid is the first guy i ever kissed.
WTFFFFFFFF
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
wow. ya dodged a bullet there? I mean, TV wedding didn't even work out for Tiny Tim.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah seriously
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda silently freaking about this all the same
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
stevie, how is the dennis cooper book going? are you disgusted yet?
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
his new one is really, really amazing, btw.
Hah I haven't even started it yet bczI've been running around all day. Right now I am listening to John Talabot's amazing XLR8R podcast and eating the meal I just made of soy/sesame/ginger/garlic tofu, fresh broc, and roasted garlic + cheddar mashed tatoes. But I just bought some ti kuan yin oolong tea in Chinatown today and planned on sippin and readin later tonight.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
The 23 y.o. said he wants bilingual babies. I need to practice my Spanish and begin fertility treatment.
― Virginia Plain, Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
so you're up to speed on crafting?
plz make sure he's not 'confused'
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Aww!! Tell us more abt him
Also I starter reading Closer and I'm not quite sure what to make of it... is this satire? I mean "that bump in the road to salvation called punk", really? The whole first story was basically PUNK IS VERY REAL AND IMPORTANT. LETS HAVE SEX I GUESS, SIGH, WHATEVER. ART IS MY LIFE AND SO IS PUNK. FUCK AUTHORITY OR SOMETHING.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
And the second story about the self-absorbed pop star I actually put down a few pages in bcz I could not read it. It's like someone's very wrong and uninformed idea of how stupid, vain famous people think and act; I'm sure it's trying to make a point but I can't figure out which one.
― Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 10 November 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan, I meant to ask who cut your hair at Babby's.
For the last month my work schedule has prevented from getting my hair cut there, so I crossed my fingers and went to Great Clips (with its baffling full name "For Hair!") and got a less terrible than usual result from them.
My haircut is very easy - formulaic, even - but every time I go to one of those chains, they maker look like a refugee. Worst was at a Regis: 1 length everywhere and bangs straight across.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Thursday, 10 November 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll leave the crafting to him. He said he has two gay roommates . . . but we were talking about Japan and he said that his last girlfriend was Japanese. He's from Chicago, around 6 ft., thin but not skinny, blue eyes, short brown hair in a 50s style haircut...very clean cut and well dressed, but he pretends he doesn't know anything about fashion. He's been in NY for about 2 weeks. He's basically everything I asked for in my okc profile . . . albeit around 10-20 years younger than anticipated. He looks like he could be your young gay waiter who is trying to break into acting.
― Virginia Plain, Thursday, 10 November 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.fandor.com/blog/?p=8259
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 10 November 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
not a bad list, <3 the fassbinder, never seen the akerman
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Thursday, 10 November 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Vividly remember the Magnetic Fields showing Flaming Creatures before a gig to massive booing (dumb indie kids)
I think Akerman is easily the most unseen one there (me too).
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 November 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
The 23 y.o. just told me that one of the kids asked him if I was his mother:(
― Virginia Plain, Thursday, 10 November 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
last time it was the younger punk dude w/ the mullet kinda thing & beard? today the lone woman that works there!
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 November 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
― Virginia Plain, Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
ew
― surm, Friday, 11 November 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
re that Fandor list, young Buscemi was v bangable
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
So was young James Franco.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 11 November 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Why does Glee have to be so. fucking. awful? It could be trashy fun a teen drama with a Very Special Episode Series flavor, but it's so embarrassing and punishingly cheesy.
If it weren't for the nauseating music, I would totally watch it.
I want to live in a world where Beavis and Butthead DVDs include the music videos and Glee DVDs omit the musical numbers.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Sunday, 13 November 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The 23 y.o. apologized for telling me that one of the kids thought I was his mother. I said it was okay and that actually I could be his mother. He asked how old I was and I told him 39 and he said he thought I was 29. Maybe he can be like the younger brother I never had?
― Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I still think you should date him
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Thank you, that was the answer I was looking for:)
― Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I vote "present."
Fire Island lives up to its name! Rebuilt Pavilion club burns down.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/11/nightclubs-destroyed-on-fire-island.html
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
</discoinferno>
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
one of my favorite '90s British bands!
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ always surprises me
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
me or them?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Not you any longer, sweetz.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
There goes my life's work.
Saw The Owl and the Pussycat the other night, and Barbra Streisand, as a whore, calls George Segal every variation of "fairy" in the opening 20 minutes. I didn't ask Buck Henry if that was in the play, or his creation.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Ta. (*umbrella*)
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I admit to liking TOATP and that other forgotten Babs comedy, All Night Long.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
what about For Pete's Sake?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
(saw that at the Franklin Theater, Nutley NJ, 1974)
Buck Henry DID tell a great story about witnessing, with Milos Forman, a live bestiality act (woman who starred in a notorious film The Animal Lover.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
So I just found out this guy I met in DC who I had a huge (perhaps mutual) crush on is dating someone and I am tons more frustrated/bummo about it than I have any right to be.
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 18 November 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
It's gotten to the point where I can't even see two guys kiss without getting angry and depressed.
Seriously, like whenever anyone I know starts dating anyone else my first reaction is "Oh my fucking God, FUCK YOU."
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 18 November 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
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a few points:- it is satire, in the realest way possible.
- the point is that there is no point— the entire book is driven by people obsessed with their conception of a person (ie themselves, or George Miles) or of an ideal, but ultimately failing because they don't pan out, mostly because they were fantasized and falsely eroticized to begin with. also, if you tried to read further into that second story, you'd realize that the kid is HALLUCINATING and has insane delusions of grandeur (re: those conceptions i talk about above).
- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.- i know it's a matter of taste, but if you don't like Dennis Cooper, then i'm afraid we can't be friends. and yes, i'm serious.
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
in other news, last night i went to Dennis' reading, and then we all had dinner afterwards. at one point, i was surrounded by D. Cooper, Eileen Myles, K3vin K1llian, and Dodi3 Bellamy. might not mean a lot to anyone else here, but i was like, "GAH I AM SURROUNDED BY MY LITERARY HEROES" for the entire length of the encounter.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i AM serious. it's like, read the whole damn thing before dissing it.
PROSECUTOR: Did you kiss him?OSCAR WILDE: Oh, dear no!. He was a peculiarly plain boy.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I mean tbh I actually picked it back up and kept reading and a few pages later sort of *got* what was going on (horribly depressed and sad and abused kid creating this hilariously stupid "safe space" for himself or something) and I'm about halfway thru and am digging it a lot more but kind of don't even want to discuss it at this point.
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
my boyfriend is watching this show "work of art" and it makes me want to vom
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't even stand the word art, or artists that are always talking about their "work"
ew just stop
;)
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the contestants on that show lived down the hall from me in the dorms freshman year
― 1staethyr, Friday, 18 November 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a shitty feeling. I get that way sometimes, though so much these days. I'm sorry you're feeling jealous or down. You're awesome <3.
xp - holy fucking what just happened??
gross
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
We're as one, surm.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean cmon stevie, i was just ragging on you, i want to hear what you think about it....
mostly because you're the first person— especially queer male— that i've ever encountered who has had such a reaction to his work. it's curious to me, as i find his work and its philosophical and critical underpinnings to be really transparent, though mired in a false 'quotidian' and plainness of story-telling. in other words, the importance of his work (to me and others) is that it is readily accessible, but whatever 'meaning' can be gleaned from it is purposefully difficult to pinpoint...and that is if there's any meaning at all.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i first became obsessed with him because he wrote something about killing somebody that gave me a hard-on, and i was like, "uh, well, this guy has something special."
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't read Dennis Cooper in a while, and I have mixed feelings, but I *want* to like his writing, but it's hard when all of it is "PUNK IS VERY REAL AND IMPORTANT. LETS HAVE SEX I GUESS, SIGH, WHATEVER. ART IS MY LIFE AND SO IS PUNK. FUCK AUTHORITY OR SOMETHING." as well as "WHAT YOU ARE READING IS TRANSGRESSIVE. LIKE, SERIOUSLY, WATCH AS I BUCK SOCIAL MORES!!"
Which is also like reading every table is the table post ever.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
and that was a perfect xp
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm glad that i continue to piss everyone off, all the time.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
An older gent I fooled around with in 2000 lent me the first Cooper novel I ever read: Frisk or Closer. I need to give him another chance.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Tabes, if you enjoyed Coop's autonecroerotica, try James Purdy! Gore Vidal wrote an excellent review of several reissues in 2005.
jesseeeeeeeee
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
It's very reassuring for you, I know. Being shitty and rude is also very rebellious of you. xp
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi surm. What's happening?
But you are a superior fucking human b/c you don't use smart technology. Fuck you, you douchebag.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link
o y'know, just eating some salad, chillin like a villain
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Alright everyone ITT, gather around the toilet bowl and have your collective hork.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
in terms of what you said, Jesse, the sarcasm and nihilism of Cooper's characters is mirrored in their telling, so if you take it seriously, then of course you're going to hate it. it's fucking literature, not an autobiography. also, it seems like you've bought into the idea of Cooper as 'transgressive,' when really that is what the literati and its associated media have made him into. if you read any interviews with Dennis, or talk to him personally, you'll find that the narrative ABOUT him and his work is an astounding lack of pigeonholing and misunderstanding.
yes, his themes and situations are challenging, even...gross.
yes, much of his work deals with social interactions predicated on sex, violence, and mental instability.
yes, his irony and sarcasm is sometimes hard to feel out, but of course it is always important to remember that the character is often the one speaking/writing, not Dennis himself.
but don't give me that line about YOU ARE READING TRANSGRESSIVE LITERATURE.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it would be fantastic to feel anger during sex.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
In fact, that was the best part about the new Twilight movie, iirc.
i don't even really understand what that last post was about, jesse. smart technology? what.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
he was probably talking about that thing you said about how you don't like people who use kindles
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
The thing about the DC being "sarcastic" or ironic reminds me of Tommy Wisseau's insistence that he made The Room as "a dark comedy." I get that DC is self-aware, and like I said, I like/want to like his work, but it's hard when it seems like the shock value and punk (for lack of a better term coming to mind ATM) poses cover up some otherwise uninspired writing.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i still stand by my words about Kindles, don't care whether i'm an asshole because of it.
and hey alfred, i really like James Purdy quite a bit.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
whatever, jesse, his latest novel is the best thing to come out this year after Stephen Beachy's "boneyard," disagree all you want.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I have been thinking I should read it. And The Sluts. Or any book, for that matter. Something broke in my brain and I haven't read a book in...almost a year! I read for pleasure all the time, but only articles, blogs, and interesting cases or papers I come across at work.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't read
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Reading is not pleasurable.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i love reading cases!!! i'm going to paralegal school in the spring, jesse.
also...uh...woah, i am really different than all of you. i read @news, rt, alternet, gawker, huffpo, and nyt online. other than that, all books all the time. i hate reading on the internet.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't read a book in 3 years
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I am the same as everyone on this thread.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Except Morbs.
i would like to start reading tv scripts, that's my thing that i want to do
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
E, you are awful, but I like you.
Dennis Cooper has written some books that I liked, and also a couple that bored me to tears.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I like you
I know you do.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha. I know people who are very smart and awesome who agree re reading not being pleasurable.
I used to DEVOUR books and once when I was about 20 I had the horrifying thought "What if one day I don't love to read this much??" and NOW IT'S HAPPENING TO ME. It reminds me of the protagonist of The Bell Jar not being able to read, and I wonder if it's a precursor to a total psych meltdown for me too.
xp - Ted, you piss me off sometimes, but I'm sorry I went off on you (again). Maybe "paralegal" and reading cases turned me around.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh shit. Should I put in a mod request to remove your name?
there's only one that bored me, and that was "God, Jr."
i have...a lot of books. i actually need new bookshelves right now, as i've run out of room on the ones i currently own.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
oh it's all good re: the name, no worries.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
and jesse, yeah, you piss me off too sometimes, but i was just talking with stevie on fbook, and i stated my desire to hang out with you cuz i think...that we're actually really similar in a lot of ways? anyway, i'll be in Chi in february, let's plan a big FAP!!!
o ffs can't anyone have a real fucking fight around here
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
:-)
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I hated JT Leroy's big book, if anyone wants to fight about that.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure we have common ground. Yeh, let's FAP. It's just crazy enough to work! :)
xp - fuck off, surm
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
That was a joke, surmounter!
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Now he's really mad.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
morbz, you would LOVE the new Stephen Beachy book that i mentioned, then, as it deals with the same sorts of issues the JT Leroy scandal brought up. i mean also:http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/14718/
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
The way you guys back off fights is like the how they fade out prematurely from the violent sexing in the new Twilight movie.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
btwn Patts & Taylor?
well, I hated JTL even when everyone thought (s)he really was some neurasthenic Southern trannie.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Je55e and I are still fighting, as far as I know
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't sully the reputation of the new Twilight movie.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link
kristen stewart is pretty
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Especially when she loses the baby weight.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Right now I'm upset that Fozzie Bear says "fart" in the Muppets movie. Crosses a line.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i hate that word, that would cross a line for me too
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i was disheartened to hear that george clooney thinks f**** are like the funniest thing ever
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
lol ramzi
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Hate the word. Love the act.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Finns?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, i see.
lol need jpg of Tuomas ripping a big one
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm the mutant -- three books a week.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been reading Nixonland since August, will probably finish it in January.
I did read a Tintin book the other week though.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Time it so that it coincides with Agnew's birthday.
Thanks for the FB note, Morbs! Make room in that armchair for another liberal.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I have a new laptop. This is exciting.
DD, if you're out there, somewhere, I just saw a pic of you on FB, and you look younger (and cuter) every day.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
like me he feasts on the energy of students
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i also just got a new laptop! after two months without one. i was going nuts with only having the same ten albums on my mp3 player. #firstworldproblems
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I am not a liberal, but you're welcome AS.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I posted this on FB, but this is my old laptop
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/386594_2614856413241_1309983927_32952215_1040730935_n.jpg
It's held together w/ binder clips.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
It's okay: my Dell's from 2004.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
happy birthday alfred.
also, i probably read three-four books a week.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
so i guess Alfred, Drew, and i are the nerds here.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I typed "hot gay nerds" and got:
http://www.weaselwordsmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/oranginafeat.jpg
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
How the hell does your Dell even still function, Alfred? I admit I'm very rough on laptops, but I've never had one last more than 5 years, at which point they were just *barely* wheezing along.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a slow reader so i'd have to be really dedicated to reading three books a week. four is kind of unthinkable unless they were all novellas or something.
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I updated the hard drive and memory a couple years ago, and I I don't save much music: I either burn or delete.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i've had the same external HD since 2005. i have a mac now though which means i need to reformat it, which = loss of all the music i have on it. but i like the occasional tabula rasa.
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
oh happy b-day alfred!
i've been reading more than i have in years. like since junior high. books seem to be unruined for me now that grad school is receding into the distance. i'm almost through with the samuel steward biography and i'm in the middle of the isaac babel short story collection, which is kinda sad because i know it's gonna be one of the best things i've ever read, and that rush of blood to the head when you get when you start reading one of the best things you've ever read is really great. i'm also reading a few pages here and there of 'the anatomy of melancholy' but it's a library copy and i have to return it soon. it's awesome so far.
donna rouge is also a big nerd iirc ;) xp
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I do read novels from time to time when I think I might have to write about the (mostly lousy) film adaptations. The last were Brighton Rock and The Rum Diary.
and yeah I read the samuel steward bio, which would make for a very ambitious film.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
after the disastrous laptop experience i've had in the past— a 2003 Dell (top of the line) that conked out after 3 years, and a MacBook Pro whose HD needed to be replaced after two, and which was stolen from my house after 4 years....well, i keep everything backed up, and can honestly say that i will never use a non-Apple pc again. i can't even figure out how to use a Windows-based computer at this point. i can deal with Linux— and i fact really like using th3o's computer, which runs Ubuntu— but otherwise, macs all the way. (not a snob, tho, just find macs easier to deal with).
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
lol matt :)
i do at least one crossword puzzle a day so *yanks off your nerd merit badges*
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
a very ambitious film! i kinda doubt it could be made and made with the spirit of the life and the story/stories intact. hollywood definitely couldn't do it. the us is still too uptight. i wonder who would be able to pull it off? if derek jarman were still alive, maybe...
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
HBD dolly
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I have a Dell desktop from like 2003 that can't even load youtube videos and I'm v excited to save up money from my new job to buy a laptop.
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeh, I happy birthday, Alfred. I meant to mention it before but forgot.
I was considering a Mac this time around, but I can't spend the money right now, which is when I need a new computer. Plus, fucking Apple doesn't offer Hurricane Jesse damage protection insurance.
T, if you're getting into the legal field, you better learn to use Windows. And while you're at it, learn a little about Word Perfect. My office has to keep Word Perfect b/c most of our cases are in federal court, which requires that certain document be submitted in Word Perfect (at least that's the case in the Northern District of IL). I die a little every time I have to use it.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks, guys!
Join me for a Hendrick's martini with a splash of St. Germain
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
ooooh, i will for serious try that tonight
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i have the st germain, but no hendrick's :(
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
It's on me. The shaker's open.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i have not smoked pot in a week! seriously, this is like a milestone for me. which is kinda sad, i guess.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
woah
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
it's good, i just figured i need to find healthier ways to relax. i hadn't been smoking a hell of a lot, just a puff here and there to unwind and to help me fall & stay asleep at night. this week has been kinda rough, sleepwise, i'm a horrible insomniac since childhood.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
good for u, that is nice
i smoke and record a lot, i get ideas
― surm, Friday, 18 November 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i have smoked maybe once in the past year, it's a once-in-a-dank-blue-moon indulgence for me
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
happy b'day alfred!
weed is v def not my drug of choice
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Saturday, 19 November 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred, happy birthday and have fun tonight
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i am at once surprised and not surprised lexy
like wit a dope beat on i am surprised u would not want to spark a j
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
money on lex's drug of choice being a little more winter-themed.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ikr
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
hot chocolate?
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
white chocolate
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
hi, gays. I have a date tonight. However, I'm drunker than I usually am.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
a date on your birthday? that person better be p special
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
for def
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
My birthday dinner with friends is tomorrow; I had dinner with my parents tonight. Now I'm free!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
his name is Gerry, a twenty-four-year-old communications major at UM. We're just meeting for drinks.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
weird name -- is he british?
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
a 24 yr old PR dude? look at u!
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Geraldo.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
for whatever reason -- I'm not trying to sound flip -- I've never dated anyone my age or older.
you flippant fag you!
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
birthday date! :D
my plans tonight involve eating the rest of this here thai crispy pork and then hitting up kingdom/nguzu club night. prolly not getting a date out of it tho.
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
whoaa you go girl
― surm, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
GERRY is a weird name?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 November 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
imo
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 November 2011 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah.
Here's hoping Alfred broke the ice with a "Rico Suave" joke.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Saturday, 19 November 2011 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
occasionally! but only, like, once or twice a year if i'm in the right situation and the right people. not habitually.
ha, not really though. i mean yeah but not my favourite.
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Saturday, 19 November 2011 08:58 (thirteen years ago) link
kingdom/nguzu club night
...with dj mikeq and kevin jz prodigy, who were SO GREAT
going dancing alone is still kind of a bummer for me tho :/
― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Saturday, 19 November 2011 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link
for all us semi-literates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlsQIEIEeKA
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Whatta big faggoty night and morning.
- Went to some friends' gay-themed sketch comedy show (they got picked for Chicago's sketch comedy fest!)
- Reconnected with a guy I went on a couple dates with at the show and over drinks after - it didn't work out btwn us and he has a boyfriend now, but I like hanging out with him, and his boyfriend is awesome
- Guy and boyfriend were with a friend who had clever facial hair, interesting piercings, and general punk aesthetic (read: hipster) and after I mentioned his mustache, he kept kissing my cheek. I'm trying not to be smitten, but damnnnn, the mustache and beard were soft and fuzzy like chincilla.
- Made nice with my stupid frenemy who cut me off for no reason from January until September. Made nice in a naked way, unfortunately, but still, a good thing.
fin
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
my boyfriend made an appointment this morning for us to get our beards trimmed at a men's salon we'd never been to, and he also booked a haircut for me. as soon as my barber started cutting my hair i began I knew something was wrong. barber spoke barely any english, obviously didn't know what he was doing, started cutting my hair without washing it, so it was dirty and dry as he cut, THEN he washed my hair, and then BLOW DRIED MY HAIR WITH A ROUND BRUSH, and then resumed cutting it?? and THEN without even asking me, pulled out a can and covered my head with hairspray! i am fairly fussy about my hair to begin with but i got so upset, tho i managed to contain my dissatisfaction while i was in the chair while stopping him from doing any further damage.
swear to god i had menopausal lady newscaster hair by the end of it. i didn't even get my beard trimmed, i didn't want that dude going anywhere near me face with a blade. the woman at the front desk was nice enough to take $10 off the cost of the cut because i explained how unhappy i was with it, which is good because i had to get it fixed at a different salon later.
my hair looks much nicer now. and my boyfriend's beard is beautifully shaped and trimmed, the lucky bastard.
that is my story for the day.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
WHY NO PICTURES???
― Sally Field hysterically shrieking "Gloria fucking SWANSON!!!" (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 20 November 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Bad haircat vs. bad hair life.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Sunday, 20 November 2011 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
lets just put that away
― plax (ico), Sunday, 20 November 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
OK the thread is SFW again. (Newgod was here)
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Monday, 2 January 2012 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I watched Weekend: was disappointed by the poignant ending and a couple of the conversational riffs but otherwise a terrific film, precise in depicting the ways in which gays feel most uncomfortable when our straight friends are being most accommodating, and photographing these men in their flats in twilight.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 January 2012 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of loved the ending.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Monday, 2 January 2012 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
poignancy feh
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 January 2012 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been waiting to watch it b/c the preview I saw made it seem extremely depressing and I haven't been ready for that kind of thing.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Monday, 2 January 2012 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
It's streaming on Netflix.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 January 2012 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I know, it's in my queue, but I'm saving it for when I'm in the mood for heaviness. These days I've been watching mostly Peep Show and Mitchell and Webb.
― the Smurf who'll snatch your money (Je55e), Monday, 2 January 2012 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Do we have a winter thread?
― tanuki, Monday, 2 January 2012 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's lock this. Mods?
Now that we found love what are we gonna do? The Winter 2011-12 Gay Thread
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 January 2012 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh, Weekend is NOT terrific.
http://newyork.timeout.com/arts-culture/film/1974807/review-weekend
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
You're right: it's very good.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lou i think i saw you last night? or someone who looks like you. at the 8th st/NYU stop around 6:45-ish or so
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 February 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that must have been me. didn't see you but i figured we'd run into each other at some point. how's nyc treating you?
― boss & toss (lou), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
i was in a rush to meet a friend or else i would've doubled back. pretty good so far!
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 February 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
did you throw on your best cardigan?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 February 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
lol why did you bump this
― þjóðaratkvæðagreiðsla (clouds), Friday, 22 February 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
lol sorry i didn't even realize it. i was just searching for the gay thread
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 February 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link