Ever been with, or been, a prostitute?

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Hideously drunk, the perfect 'mark'. Bitch stole my money and vanished. But then, probably a lucky escape from catching disease.

dave q, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

When i lived in Vancouver my next door neighbor was a whore. I once bought her sandwhiches and hotchoclate. Got busted for solicating. How much sex can yopu buy for 3 sandwhiches and a thermos of Hot C.

anthony, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Arent we all prostitutes?

nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I vote for "Aren't We All Prostitutes?" as the new NYLPM moniker.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

More of a tagline, I fear.

Question answer: no, not even tempted. I'd just be embarrassed.

Tom, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My old NYC roommate Kristen used to work on the Screw chatlines in between assisting Louise Bourgeois, working at Pop Shop and working at the Clit Club. And another old flatmate worked as a hostess in one of those bars in Tokyo years ago. She called it little prick teasing.

suzy, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

In answer to the questionL no and no. But should I ever wish to, which I very much doubt, I'm spoilt for choice - there are at least two brothels just up the road from me.

DG, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I know three strippers. They arent pretty people.

Mike Hanley, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

DG, Brothels in Romford? I thought they were illegal in the UK!

DJ Martian, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well, they're not advertised as such. One is 'Zen Sauna' on Goodmayes Road, which is being busted all the time, and there was another one down Green Lane which was exposed on TV as being chock full of 'asylum seekers'.

DG, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh brother, I figured you'd get the Pop Group reference. "We are all prostitutes" is one of their records. Sigh... But I do believe we are all prostitutes. Those flowers you gave me... is just ten dollars for that lapdance you want later on in the evening.

nathalie, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Don't worry, Nathalie, I got it. Definitely one of the most deliberately unpleasant songs I've ever heard.

Just dropped in to say that this thread is really, really skeezing me out.

Nitsuh, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Evening, Nitsuh. I have noted the use of the word 'skeezing' and am chortling as I write ;-).

suzy, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am pretty sure I have tho she was not "on duty" at the time.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

my friend Leon who I really liked a lot though everyone else hated him said he got really drunk and went to an Asian prostitute with his friend and he was in the spa with her and she was saying 'no kissy no kissy' and he kept trying to kiss her and she was scared and then he scratched her on the back and when she was trying to escape and he got thrown out. Why did I like him so much anyway? He used to say to me 'Maryann your hair is so greasy' or in front of everyone 'Maryann did you know that you really look better when you wear a bra' and he told his mother we were getting married and I wasn't allowed to say that we weren't. She was Catholic and she believed the world would end on Dec 31 1999. He bought me a lot of food though and if we had a fight he would give me $20 to make up.

maryann, Sunday, 12 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"scratched her on the back" as his hooker's escaping is a terribly concrete and eerie detail. maryann that whole story is fucked.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 12 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

yeah maryann leon is a fucken gripper.
answ. to q. - same answ. as tracer's. known lots of em & it is creepy shit business.

duane, Sunday, 12 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

yeah I KNOW that story is fucked, somebody please hepl me.

maryann, Sunday, 12 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

hey i did! (i thought)

duane, Sunday, 12 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have done things that count, so I guess I am one.

Ally, Sunday, 12 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have a friend who talks to me about all of the ordinary nonsexual ways in which we are whores. It is good conversation.

Lyra, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

two years pass...
Does anyone still read this shit?

Maidelah, Monday, 7 June 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, don't you worry your pretty little head about it. You know, there's a reason why your "ISP" is WebTV, and it's not because you're exactly some candidate for membership to Mensa.

Those Beautiful Lines (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 7 June 2004 04:44 (twenty years ago) link

It's weird how MENSA put those really easy puzzles in the Reader's Digest (or those are the ones they let them use or whatever). Like they're lonely and want to encourage people to join, or something.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 7 June 2004 04:49 (twenty years ago) link

Point to ponder, dear Mr Mime. Though I'd imagine they still have standards.

(Reason I'm on this thread = I dare myself to read all sorts of things these days.)

Those Beautiful Lines (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 7 June 2004 04:53 (twenty years ago) link

my answer is the same as Tracer's and Tom's both: yes (w/a no-longer-active one) and no (never paid, could never do--too embarrassing)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

yes (w/a no-longer-active one)

gotta be more to that story, like how did you find out? Did she tell you before or after? What was your reaction? Inquiring minds wanna know, etc., etc.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

Found out afterward; my reaction was muted.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:14 (twenty years ago) link

I dated a girl who was an escort while we were seeing each other (I found that out later). Then she became a porn actress.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

Revive! There's got to be at least one ILXer who'll admit to hiring a real prostitute for real sex. None of this, "I gave a prostitute a cupcake" or "I dated an ex-prostitute" stuff.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't you start a poll?

ILX0r you think is most likely to have been to a prostitute?

;-)

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Which ILXor is most likely to have offered another money for sex?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

As per usual, Gear always delivers.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

the guy who filmed his friend throwing up crack rocks?

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

(3yr xpost)

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

When was the turning point where visiting a prostitute became socially unacceptable and embarrassing even 'among the boys'?

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Former boss of mine once told me he had slept with several hundred prostitutes while in the Far East. He was proud of this as, in his mind, it didn't count as cheating on his wife while he was away from her.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

The shitty thing about this thread is that it wd be one thing if we were likely to put our money where our collective mouth is and be like "HAY SEX WORKERS DESRVE RESPECT TOO, THAT'S COOL, SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE" and let it go, but the not-at-all disguised prurience I get from thread/revive sez to me that any admission here is going to be a downward spiral w/ sniggering and judgements made. So fuk all that.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

XPOSTwas it ever that acceptable? There is some reference in an ancient Greek text to meeting a friend as you come out of a brothel being one of the most embarrassing things that could ever happen to you, and this in a society where prostitution was a very accepted part of social life.

I have oddly started wondering whether it might just be possible for a prostitute-client relationship not to be hideously exploitative and depressing, in the way that it is possible to have polite relationships with service industry people generally, but I kind of doubt it.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

He was proud of this as, in his mind, it didn't count as cheating on his wife while he was away from her.

proud of paying for it (regardless of the being married thing)? whatta freak

blueski, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been sniggered at by a prostitute.
xxpost

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

"trading places" could never happen ;_;

Just got offed, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

reminds me of a song

SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE
PROSTITUTE

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

When was the turning point where visiting a prostitute became socially unacceptable and embarrassing even 'among the boys'?

You mean what century?

Tom D., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

When was the turning point where visiting a prostitute became socially unacceptable and embarrassing even 'among the boys'?

You mean what century?

No, I think this happened in the 20th Century.

There used to be (well, still is, in some quarters) the idea that nice girls *don't* have sex at all. Therefore visiting prostitutes was an item for manliness, showing that you were having sex. I think that it's much more acceptible these days, the idea that even nice girls can and do have sex - with the advent of free love, as it were, the idea of having to *pay* for sex became more demeaning than the cache of having sex.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Someone who used to be a prostitute in Coventry wrote me a bunch of letters when I was 18 and in university, basically saying she'd fallen in love with me. This would be one thing but we'd been in each other's company once, for about three hours, with several other people, loading stuff out of a removal van. I politely brushed her off and then she got married via a lonely hearts ad I think

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps even on ILX there is too much public shame in admitting this.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this depends on what you mean by "among the boys". I think in some circles it still isn't exactly socially unacceptable - cf Wayne Rooney and friends, or some groups of City boys.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I think this happened in the 20th Century.

Yes, but hardly recently

Tom D., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i was propositioned, not once but twice, standing outside of one of my college dorms (yes, indcidently, on the corner. it was apparently a high-traffic area for that kind of thing.) so while i've never been a whore, i've at least looked like one.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I was once offered money for a blowjob on Charing Cross Road. I politely declined. And walked away very quickly.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

that crazy gareth and his late night antics

blueski, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I once hired a fake prostitute for real sex :((

ken c, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

and another time, a real prostitute but for fake sex :(((((

ken c, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

giving or receiving?

xpost to matt

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Years ago I found this site by following a link from somewhere else and it completely fucking blew my mind. www.punternet.com. There are A LOT of people out there visiting prostitutes. Link probably NSFW.

Also, engaging in sexual acts with a stripper counts. I personally know at least 3 men who have done this and doubt any of them would answer yes if asked if they'd been with a prostitute.

ENBB, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

There used to be (well, still is, in some quarters) the idea that nice girls *don't* have sex at all. Therefore visiting prostitutes was an item for manliness, showing that you were having sex. I think that it's much more acceptible these days, the idea that even nice girls can and do have sex - with the advent of free love, as it were, the idea of having to *pay* for sex became more demeaning than the cache of having sex.

But I thought more men were visiting prostitutes these days? Or maybe they're just more honest about it? Or maybe I made the whole thing up?

Tom D., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

NRQ - giving.

Also, I didn't really need a tenner that much.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

but this was a tenner plus a wanger

ken c, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

one piece colonel's meal

ken c, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

It's been suggested there are more prostitutes in the UK these days, because of illegal people trafficking from the continent in the last 10 years. Guess this means the demand was there to meet this and/or has risen with it. Could all be spurious tho.

blueski, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I reckon it's more acceptable and more common than, say, fifteen years ago

Tom D., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

coming to our country, competing with our whores :(

xpost

ken c, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I reckon it's more acceptable and more common than, say, fifteen years ago

conversely the conditions seem to have worsened for the girls brought over then forced into it. read this article and got really depressed/angry.

blueski, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i've paid money to have sexual intercourse with a prostitute.

andi, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, that's one of the most depressing things I've read in a long time.

I guess I was wrong.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

:'(

andi, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/opinion/04herbert.html

gabbneb, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not being facetious but i think prostitution has become more formalized/professionalized if you will in modern times. i'm thinking of hogarth's london as the comparison.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah Re: escorts versus prostitutes on the street.

humansuit, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

with the advent of free love, as it were, the idea of having to *pay* for sex became more demeaning than the cache of having sex.

Yes, exactly.

There are still circles where it's a point of bragadacchio - city boys, stereotypically the military. There was a time, even into the 20th century (maybe the turning point was post-WWII?), when it was acceptable or common for men of all walks of life to visit a prostitute to make themselves men.

But now, even if it's more common, it's generally not something men will be proud of or joke about, because needing to frequent a prostitute for actual sex (rub 'n' tugs perhaps a different issue) is seen as pathetic, there must be something deficient about you.

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a time, even into the 20th century (maybe the turning point was post-WWII?), when it was acceptable or common for men of all walks of life to visit a prostitute to make themselves men.

My sense is that brothers used to be what titty bars are now -- questionable but acceptable.

Eazy, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

brothels, not bruthas

Eazy, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, what a Freudian slip!

Tom D., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Bro's before ho's.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Those rogue apostrophes are the most offensive thing on this thread.

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i used to live with two 'escorts.' i'd drive them to their calls and wait and take them home. they usually just stripped or gave handjobs. sad, messed up girls. it was a low point in my life, being around that.

jergïns, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Andi should come forth with details.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I once hired a fake prostitute for real sex :((

You can rent blow-up dolls?!?

stevienixed, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I once hired a fake prostitute for real sex

This is dangerously close to, I bought my wife a thingie and she gave me a beej, territory.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I've done it, don't see the big deal. I don't get people's hang-ups (a real one, not a fake one). I've enjoyed it the few times I've done it.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

reminds me of a song

SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE
PROSTITUTE

-- Mr. Que, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

oh stone gato

69, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

then again, maybe people shouldn't admit this in public. it comes across as extremely creepy. xpost

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

the "i don't get people's hangups" excuse just, i dunno. it sounds like typical sex offender language.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, isn't that the logical extension of the majority (for ILX, anyway) sex-positive position? Personal choices aside, I suspect we mostly agree that sex should be safely (for both parties) available for hire, if there's a market for it in the first place?

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Sex offender? Er.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

That makes it sound like he's out molesting 8-year-old girls.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, there is the George Carlin argument: "Selling's legal. Fucking's legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?"

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, i dunno. legal or not, guys who go to prostitutes would still give me crepe vibe.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Which is exactly why I thought it was a stupid question for ILX, b/c enough people are going to be judging each o. based on the responses that you're not likely to get an actual interesting discussion from it.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

That makes it sound like he's out molesting 8-year-old girls.

-- libcrypt, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
yes, exactly, that is what it sounds like!

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

You can make a reasonable argument that prostitution is wrong, exploitative, and sexist, but it's far more tenuous to attempt to equate molestation with (soliciting) prostitution.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm just saying pedos use the same language to justify what they do.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

They're on the same waterslide, eh?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"Babies are legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't fucking babies legal?"

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, bell, but I wd use the exact same language to defend lots of things from people who I think are wrong...? It's not like pedophiles have the market cornered on disagreeing w/ people about their opinions.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Where's nabisco when you need an OTM?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Ie "I don't understand people's hang-ups about shooting guns/swimming in deep water/heights. I've enjoyed shooting/swimming/free-climbing the few times I've done it."

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Bill Magill = NS? (hi 1PE!)

gabbneb, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, multiple x-posts, I'm not on that waterslide. I do enjoy sex though. I've bought illegal drugs before too, god forbid.

Sorry I don't meet your standards, bell labs.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I suspect we mostly agree that sex should be safely (for both parties) available for hire, if there's a market for it in the first place?

I just don't know that I agree with that.

kenan, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

see, laurel those things are different, because they don't involve paying someone to have (most likely very exploitative) sex, and therefore don't make me shudder in revulsion.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

you're both right, in a way, i think: Laurel in theory and Bell in practice.

kenan, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, well, everyone's lines are different -- I've had some one-night stands that I might as well have gotten paid for, altho I didn't. So...I'm not gonna judge on this little data.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still laughing at the concept of the crepe vibrator.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

...speaking of very exploitative. xp

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, i guess that's where i draw the line. i'm not usually shrill or moral about things, honest.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

xp to Dan - It's very thin.

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I know! I'm sort of surprised, actually. xp

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, you're entitled to that opinion. I've done it three times, and twice it was legal in the place I happened to be. If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't judge people who may feel differently.

Have you ever seen the Cathouse series on HBO? Those women aren't being "exploited", they're raking in the dough, and seem to love what they do.

xpost

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

The thought of sex with a prostitute gives me the willies for personal reasons... I've had perfectly consensual sex with strangers before, and the sex was awful, even though nobody was getting paid and nobody was telling lies. It's a bad feeling. It makes me feel bad, personally. A prostitute would make me feel *horrible*.

kenan, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Those women aren't being "exploited", they're raking in the dough, and seem to love what they do.

Uh-huh. Just keep telling yourself that, big boy.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure, will do.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Empirically speaking, the women featured on "Cathouse" are raking in the dough (presuming that they aren't lying about their take-home cut) and they do give the impression that they are enjoying what they are doing (though they could be lying). The logical fallacy lies in assuming that the Cathouse situation is the norm, not the exception.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

My belief is that prostitution ought be legal and that prostitutes ought have rights encoded in law to protect them from at least some forms of exploitation. And I don't deny that prostitution is exploitative, but then, so are most jobs, although perhaps to a lesser degree, depending on yr viewpoint. The best argument I've heard against this is that if prostitution is legal, then for example, welfare-to-work programs would have to count prostitution as an acceptable form of employment transition, coercing women into prostitution who otherwise wouldn't have gone there. While exploitation is bad, it's a fact of life. Coercion, though, shouldn't be.

Speaking for my own preferences, I would never have visited a prostitute, even before I got married, 'cause you can't pay someone to like you.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

> you can't pay someone to like you.

Try me.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the Cathouse income can be misleading, because I gather that most of those women only work a few weeks out of the year (because banging strange men routinely probably takes a heavy toll) and so the earnings are middle-class, but it's not like the 'courtesans' are all earning six figures.

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yah, it would be less exploitative if it were LEGAL/SAFER, fer chrissake. NB: I said "less", not "not".

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

the constant "I LOVE SEX, I HAVE AN ORGASM WITH EVERY SHRIMP-DICKED DRUNK JOE WHO COMES IN" refrain is probably the most tiresome part of that show, next to the douchebag owner

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed.

Like I said upthread, I don't have too many hang-ups about sex. I never bought into a lot of the puritan bullshit they feed you in this country about sex between consenting adults. And if there's money involved, so be it. Who cares?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you can't pay someone to like you.

Try me

What else comes with this package, Oily?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

My belief is that prostitution ought be legal and that prostitutes ought have rights encoded in law to protect them from at least some forms of exploitation. And I don't deny that prostitution is exploitative, but then, so are most jobs, although perhaps to a lesser degree, depending on yr viewpoint. The best argument I've heard against this is that if prostitution is legal, then for example, welfare-to-work programs would have to count prostitution as an acceptable form of employment transition, coercing women into prostitution who otherwise wouldn't have gone there.

Okay that is appallingly stupid reasoning. Legalizing prostitution would open sex workers up to a ream of legal protextions and a slew of legal recourses that they could fall back on if their place of employment broke basic labor laws.

Also, and more importanlty, legalizing prostitution does not magically make all other jobs go away!

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"legal protextions" is when you Bluetooth someone a restraining order

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not quite sure I can parse that counter-argument, HI DERE. Am I missing some sarcasm?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the first I've heard of "Cathouse" but it sure sounds depressing.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Hookers of da future. xxxp

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

THERE'S SOME HOES
IN THIS HOUSE

THERE'S SOME HOES
IN THIS HOUSE

sanskrit, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

you can't pay someone to like you

but you can pay some one to put things in your butt.

personally speaking, I'm fairly certain I would feel utterly empty and skeeved out if I were to visit a prostitute. Hell, I felt that way the time I got a lap dance at strip club during a particularly drunken, debauched (for me, anyway) bachelor party. CAn't speak for others though.

will, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I just can't imagine having sex with someone who didn't, on some level, have genuine affection for me.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Do you think pornography should be illegal? If not, why is it acceptable for someone to paid for a sex act if cameras are present, but illegal in the absence of cameras?

viborg, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

but you can pay some one to put things in your her butt.

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

*be paid

viborg, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't Pay Someone To Like You
but you can pay some one to put things in your butt.

AMEN

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the first I've heard of "Cathouse" but it sure sounds depressing.

It is. Partly because it's such half-assed porn. "Let's make a show that's nearly porn, but pretends like it's some deep sociological documentary!" Frustrating and pretentious BOTH.

kenan, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

porn with people who are slightly less attractive than the average Real Sex couple/group/orgy

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed.

Like I said upthread, I don't have too many hang-ups about sex. I never bought into a lot of the puritan bullshit they feed you in this country about sex between consenting adults. And if there's money involved, so be it. Who cares?

-- Bill Magill, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 2:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

uh

deej, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

oh never mind i misread that
not quite as bad as i thought

deej, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not quite sure I can parse that counter-argument, HI DERE. Am I missing some sarcasm?

1. If prostitution were legal, it would exist in a form different from how it exists today, ergo condemning it as a viable legal work alternative based on how it works as an illegal enterprise is intellectually dishonest.

2. Creating opportunity in sector X does not remove jobs from sector Y. Opening up a paper factory in a town that contains a thriving law practice does not, as a consequence, decrease the number of available law jobs in town. By similar reasoning, legalizing prostitution does not reduce the number of available waitstaff positions in nearby restaurants.

porn with people who are slightly less attractive than the average Real Sex couple/group/orgy

Ugh, this is so true. Ugh.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

1. If prostitution were legal, it would exist in a form different from how it exists today, ergo condemning it as a viable legal work alternative based on how it works as an illegal enterprise is intellectually dishonest.

I wasn't actually condemning prostitution as "viable legal work", as you might have observed from the sentence above that argument. I was merely saying it was a good argument, not that it carried the force of science.

2. Creating opportunity in sector X does not remove jobs from sector Y. Opening up a paper factory in a town that contains a thriving law practice does not, as a consequence, decrease the number of available law jobs in town. By similar reasoning, legalizing prostitution does not reduce the number of available waitstaff positions in nearby restaurants.

I'm not sure I said anything at all about removing jobs from sector Y. I don't subscribe to the fixed-employment-resource theory of economics.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh my god, ILX can make even a thread about prostitution and squickiness and depravity deadly dull. Is that what's meant about the inanity of evil?

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

bell_labs otm, this is all madness.

Personal choices aside, I suspect we mostly agree that sex should be safely (for both parties) available for hire, if there's a market for it in the first place?

-- Laurel, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:11 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

well if there's a market for it, who could possibly have a problem with that?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Confessions of a College Callgirl:

I am a tangle of contradictions. I am not ashamed of my choices and I will fully defend mine or anyone else’s right to make them. But when you ask me if you should do this? My immediate instinct is a loud, desperate no. It’s hard for me to write you back. I can’t make your decisions for you, but I am scared for you. I just want you to know that for every dollar you make there is a price. It’s up to you to decide if that price is worth paying.

viborg, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

More to the point: I brought up the welfare-to-work argument simply as a point of thought-departure. I'm not actively interested in pursuing it, because I think it's ultimately incorrect.

XP:

Oh my god, ILX can make even a thread about prostitution and squickiness and depravity deadly dull. Is that what's meant about the inanity of evil?

Wait, waht? Weren't you just complaining that there was too much prurience and not enough OTM here?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah yeah sorry, I was thinking more about countering people's squickness than about presenting a scientific defense. I mean, I'm pretty sure the minds of those who are grossed out aren't going to be changed by an economics lecture, however enlightening the lecture might be in its own right.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

bill magill is nude spock

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

xp to blog: urgh

A) Your safe word is "Please Stop Daddy"
B) No touching Daddy's cock with your hands, only your mouth.
C) You always massage Daddy's balls while you're sucking his dick.

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I 'pologize if my inner-professor child poked his wee noggin out.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

lock sex

Just got offed, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, no harm. I think thread is increasingly pointless, esp if our one confesser is a troll to start with.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

One? Andi confessed, didn't he?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

She. And she's about as dependable as the other one.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, I was hoping there would be something here that turned my stomach a little more. And calling your sex partner 'Mommy' or 'Daddy' certainly fits the bill!

No. No, I don't love it when they call me 'Big Poppa.'

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG c'mon now. Do not use this thread to pass judgement on people's personal sex practices, okay? Jesus christ.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember andi doing the suicide troll thing, but I thought he was a he and that maybe trollishness had subsided.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

How are you going to coerce people into doing something they wouldn't normally do without removing the opportunity to do something else?

Furthermore, if you reread what I wrote, I never attributed that argument to you; I attacked your assertion that it was a good argument and stated why I disagreed.

Massive xposts but if everyone else gets to bask in the inanity of their own masturbatory typing, I do too.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I am going to be really disappointed if ILX turns into that guy I used to know who said "But I can't dump (my really stupid girlfriend), how will I ever again find someone who'll dress up in little costumes??" First of all, that is the least of your problems. Second, if they sell it in Frederick's of Hollywood, it's not that kinky.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Andi isn't a she, he's a goth-boy.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i know a girl who appeared on an episode of real sex. she was my roomate for about a year and...definitely had some sex addiction issues, would go to those types of parties and troll craigslist casual encounters, and be fine and not feel any guilt and be confident that she was having fun. i never judged her for this, even though it would make me really squeemish if i thought about it to much.

to my knowledge, she only had sex for money a few times, and after each one got extremely depressed and violent towards friends. even though she chose to do it and had so much sex that she "might as well get paid for it" it still made her feel x330243 worse about herself than a casual encounter/one night stand where no money was exchanged.

i know that doesn't apply to everyone, but i think there are usually awful consequences to your psyche/idea of self when you receive money for sex, and the whole idea of getting off on that is a bit creepy to me. i think maybe there should be shame involved for men who pay for sex, cos there definitely is shame, publicly and privately, for the women.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

ILX loves you, never fear, whether you dress up in little costumes or not.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) I think it's the whole "getting used" bit; I know singers who are violently opposed to getting paid to sing because they feel it would ruin their enjoyment of their art.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Are there two Andis? Because those WDYLL photos were...kind of clearly a girl, I thought?

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you thinking andi mags, Laurel?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) Haven't you seen "Silence of the Lambs"?

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Not a troll. And I don't know what nude spock means. I don't really think I have anything to "confess".

x-posts

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that for the most part, we can agree that adults should be allowed to engage in consensual sex acts for money given certain protections and restrictions.

But agreeing to that isn't the same thing as agreeing that prostitution, the way it's put into practice right now, (certainly in the US) is O.K. I think most of us can agree that current (mostly illegal and "underground" prostitution) is far too exploitative, abusive and/or physically and emotionally harmful to the prostitutes to be "O.K." for people to visit.

In fact, those two positions (in theory, prostitution is O.K.; the way is it currently practiced, it is not) in a lot of ways lead into one another, i.e., prostitution is crepey the way it is now (illegal), so maybe we should legalize it.

max, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

bill "nude spock" means, do you like to have sex with prostitutes while you wear vulcan ears, y/n?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, I'm not stupid or insane (much), I know that pet names and fantasies are harmless. I know that fulfilling fantasies through role-playing is harmless. But still, when fantasy role-playing gets into simulations of pedophilia and incest I get squicked, and I said so. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone should be shamed by their fantasies, or go to jail for them, or even care what I think. So, if this is a big problem for you, please give me your arguments in favor of pedophilia and incest. Or climb a tree. Whatevs.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.the-spine.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/tcspock.jpg

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN MR. QUE

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

whuh? why? did i post tubgirl accidentally again?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

hahahaha no but that was awesome

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I might be, JMC.

On all other points, you are all fucking nutters (except max and bell b/c I love her). Oily, wtf are you even TALKING ABOUT?? If I cared to deal with your post srsly, I would be giving you my arguments in favor of FULFILLING FANTASIES, as you yourself just allowed for, not arguing for real-life rape/pedo/incest. Everyone is getting all emo'ed up here and being retarded.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

on every ilx thread: someone accused of being nude spock not knowing who nude spock is

jhøshea, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Que, you're getting banned because those are obviously FERENGI ears, not VULCAN.

(ps ban me)

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Laurel, you know that max restated exactly what I said to libcrypt, which, when I said it, made you go "UGH YOU PEOPLE ARE SO BORING", right?

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha i had to google FERENGI, a good time though

PROSTITUTES

http://www.threatlab.com/albums/Defcon-X/ferengi_jpg.jpg

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

fantasies are one thing, putting them to the woman you just hired to blow you in those terms is another

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, Dan, you're not crazy. The economics convo at least made sense.

Laurel, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

prostitution is like the drug war: it should be legal but that doesn't mean it's 'good,' just that it's hugely more damaging and expensive to police than any real utility we get back by doing so, to no real effect.

gff, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://onewholeclove.typepad.com/one_whole_clove/images/palmier

gabbneb, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i would eat that

carne asada, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

rub-n-tug's = crazy prevalent in this town, and socially acceptable in a lot of circles.

gr8080, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i was apparently living right next to one of those places and didn't even know it until they got raided

carne asada, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

prostitution is like the drug war: it should be legal but that doesn't mean it's 'good,' just that it's hugely more damaging and expensive to police than any real utility we get back by doing so, to no real effect.

I don't really buy this. Unlike prostitution, drugs are G*R*A*T*E.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Can you get the clap from doing drugs?

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

if you know a way to get a coronary embolism or grievous brain damage from paid sex, i'd like to subscribe to your newsletter

gff, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

besides, that's not the point. spending tons of public $$$ and ruining lives to clamp down on supply when there's really no way to alter constant insatiable demand, is the problem. with both.

gff, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I grew up a block from a place that got raided for rub'n'tugs and was only shut down about a year after I moved away. Dude had a good thing going for 10 years.

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

the space is now a wedding chapel/reception place

milo z, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

same diff

HI DERE, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0671021311.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

sanskrit, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Those women aren't being "exploited", they're raking in the dough, and seem to love what they do.

Uh-huh. Just keep telling yourself that, big boy.

They're also hideous looking. If that's the most attractive woman you can get, I don't blame you for having to buy "it", buddy.

u s steel, Monday, 23 March 2009 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

'can get' is really not fitting in with that sentiment.

Anthony, I am not an Alcoholic & Drunk (darraghmac), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I was with a gorgeous black woman prostitute in D.C. once, yes. Big knockers as I recall.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Did I mention I have a weakness for black women with big knockers?

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link

don't think so - thanks

s1ocki, Monday, 23 March 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link

I just started to like ILX a little less, so I guess you did

some dude's gizmo (DJ Mencap), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Did I mention I have a weakness for black women with big knockers?

YOU ARE TRENT REZNOR AND I CLAIM MY FIVE POUNDS.

The ILX Double Standard (Masonic Boom), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Honestly, you really can't tell anything about a woman's wealth from the sound of her door chime.

plenty chong (libcrypt), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

lol bimble

velko, Monday, 23 March 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Like I said upthread, I don't have too many hang-ups about sex. I never bought into a lot of the puritan bullshit they feed you in this country about sex between consenting adults.

― Bill Magill, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 3:37 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 10 May 2014 04:02 (ten years ago) link

Stand by that 7 years later. 110%

Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Saturday, 10 May 2014 04:26 (ten years ago) link

Unrelated, but how did Amsterdam get the hooker capital of the world reputation in the US when prostitution is essentially (or explicitly) legal in much of Europe and other cities have comparable red light districts?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 10 May 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link

Better Chamber of Commerce.

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 May 2014 04:59 (ten years ago) link

My best friend and I were only in college a few weeks when we got curious, bored and bored enough to call those numbers on the back page. We thought it could be cool having that gorgeous hunk of man pictured in the ad come to our dorm as we had no male visitors and every one else was hooking up with orgies (it seemed). So we called this male escort and his voice didn't quite match up with the photo but we kept talking, asking stupid questions like,"If you come to our dorm, what will you do?" UGH, 18! Finally asked him how much just to come and walk down the hall to our room (with the plan we'd leave the door open so everyone could see what a "great" time we were having with this stud. $100 and that was our art supply allowance. Turned into phone sex, giggling, a frustrated escort who became irate and finally told us to fuck off. Later, we were a bit depressed, so we made a bunch of prank calls to bars around town and that saved the night? Yes. Geeeeeez

*tera, Saturday, 10 May 2014 05:01 (ten years ago) link

This thread is interesting to read, but to get a wide array of straight answers it is better approached as poll material. btw, I have never been a prostitute or been with a prostitute, mainly because I find either possibility impossible to imagine myself doing, which tends to strangle the possibility before it ever could take on a tinge of reality.

epoxy fule (Aimless), Saturday, 10 May 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link


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