Quentin Tarantino's "The Hateful Eight"

And here we go again. Apparently an actual Western, Waltz likely to appear again, Bruce Dern rumored.

i thought this was going to be about 1/2 of the filthy fifteen or something.

Or two-thirds of the dirty dddddd....

Or the neo-Nazi who brainwashes the Secaucus Seven.

Like this cunt's ever made a film that isn't a playing of the numbers

That doesn't seem right to me, or at least he's playing them in a pretty inspired/counter-intuitive way (i don't like him either for the most part, btw)

Like nothing he's done in the last decade has made me think he's pandering to anyone but himself

god, hes getting repetitive. all for him a trilogy and all that, but not when they seem to be the exact same film 3 times in a row.

seriously wanted him to do a revenge western from the POV of first nations people. but maybe that wouldnt fit QT's 'cool' shtick enough.

lol you dont even know what its gonna be about dude

about his video collection.

this would be a good title for a boxed set of his post-Jackie Brown work tho

lol you dont even know what its gonna be about

About an hour too long.

lol you dont even know what its gonna be about dude

i saw 'tarantino' and 'western' and i could see it already lol

i bought my ticket already, who's got the popcorn

no popcorn, but i have some poopcorn

all that hate, and still it will be a long, endless thread

QT ain't perfect but geez

yeah jeez is right

his last film was probably his least (excepting his contributions to death proof and four rooms) but the one before it was one of his best. i wouldn't place any bets on the next one.

it is true that his points of cinematic reference have seemed to... narrow in recent years. his tastes were pretty expansive, but he seems increasingly hung up on '70s hollywood (and to a lesser extent european) genre/exploitation (see his 2012 sight&sound poll entry for confirmation).

I was really disappointed with Django, but IB is his best so who knows

Like this cunt's ever made a film that isn't a playing of the numbers

― Flame Out at Jagbans (imago), Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:03 PM (2 days ago)

This time, the number is eight

a retro western from a shithead who "hates" John Ford

http://www.filmcomment.com/article/intolerance-quentin-tarantino-john-ford

yeah, i remember that. unforgivably dense on QT's part.

I get where hes coming from. im not mad at him

Buh?:

Learning today that his script The Hateful Eight leaked after he gave it to a small circle of actors, Quentin Tarantino tells me that he’s so upset that he has decided that he will not direct that film next. So basically that means the conversation that will be circulating around town following this story with Tarantino goes from an ensemble Western to a whodunit. As in, which actor or their reps leaked the script that, as a result, is going on the shelf — literally a bookstore shelf, because Tarantino tells me he will publish it first and maybe revisit the prospect of a movie in the next five years.

“I’m very, very depressed,” Tarantino said. “I finished a script, a first draft, and I didn’t mean to shoot it until next winter, a year from now. I gave it to six people, and apparently it’s gotten out today.” He learned that when his longtime agent Mike Simpson began getting phone calls from agents looking to pitch their clients for roles in the ensemble Western.

So who could have done this? “I gave it to one of the producers on Django Unchained, Reggie Hudlin, and he let an agent come to his house and read it,” Tarantino said. “That’s a betrayal, but not crippling because the agent didn’t end up with the script. There is an ugly maliciousness to the rest of it. I gave it to three actors: Michael Madsen, Bruce Dern, Tim Roth. The one I know didn’t do this is Tim Roth. One of the others let their agent read it, and that agent has now passed it on to everyone in Hollywood. I don’t know how these fucking agents work, but I’m not making this next. I’m going to publish it, and that’s it for now. I give it out to six people, and if I can’t trust them to that degree, then I have no desire to make it. I’ll publish it. I’m done. I’ll move on to the next thing. I’ve got 10 more where that came from.”

Tarantino told me he suspects the dispersal came from CAA, which reps Dern. I spoke to someone inside CAA I trust, and they vehemently denied they could have been the source. They noted that a problem is that Tarantino possibly dispersed the script himself, without a watermark that usually prevents someone from secretly dispersing the screenplay. Because of that, this is an unsolvable breach. It would be difficult to prove anyway, because if an agent asked an assistant to copy a script, and that assistant shared it with peers at other agencies, and it suddenly found its way to a blogger, the agent would not even know they’d unwittingly put the screenplay into circulation.

Yeah, not buying this.

Durant is gonna beat Kobe's 81 this season

WRONG THREAD

durant leaked tarantino's script.

durant gonna murder more than 81 people in quentin tarantino's the hateful eight

cast Nate the Great© in the Hateful Eight©.

haa

I gave it to three actors: Michael Madsen, Bruce Dern, Tim Roth. The one I know didn’t do this is Tim Roth. One of the others let their agent read it, and that agent has now passed it on to everyone in Hollywood."

Joe Cabot: That lump of shit's working for the LAPD... He was the only one I wasn't a hundred percent on. I should have my fucking head examined going in when I wasn't a hundred percent sure.
Mr. White: That's your proof?!

Yeah, not buying this.

....which?

Durant is gonna beat Kobe's 81 this season

― Spottie, Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Wrong thread, yes, and yet... a more interesting topic than the one under discussion. Given KD's usual MO, I'd lay 10-1 odds against this happening. He just isn't selfish enough to post an 80+ box score.

....which?

A lot of it, if not all!

wasn't the Django script knocking around online way before the film came out too? or is that somehow.. different to what's happened here?

A lot of major property scripts leak these days.

Who reads the first draft of a script online? Fucking nerds.

Who is the biggest fucking nerd? Quentin tarantino. Open and shut.

why does he care so much that his script got out jeez

no one want to read yr stupid paper words

yeah, I get where he's coming from on John Ford. Ahistorical dumbass ignorance.

http://defamer.gawker.com/here-are-plot-details-from-quentin-tarantinos-leaked-1507675261

T suing Gawker! sure is keeping this dead horse hitched to his mansion...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/quentin-tarantino-suing-gawker-leaked-674424

I read it, it's textbook QT. Anyone want to guess how it ends?

toe fucking?

lol

Hitler cuts Uma's toe off

Live read-through in L.A. last night:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/todd-mccarthy-tarantinos-hateful-eight-697739

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/inside-tarantinos-hateful-eight-reading-697740

this movie shd be called "the hateful eightful" imo

this sounds a lot more interesting than Django imho

Poster, as published in Empire

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4835964/hateful-iimage-7-30.jpg

all I can say is I hope this is better than the last one, but I'm a little doubtful.

yeah i thought attempting a western exposed his limitations more than anything he'd done before.

my suspicion is that losing Sally Menke is what really exposed his limitations

Maybe he'll get it in under 1:45 like Death Proof?

strong strong agreement on loss of menke. it also hurts that his dialogue isn't nearly as strong as it used to be but he still relishes it like it is.

otm

http://deadline.com/2014/11/quentin-tarantino-retirement-hateful-eight-international-release-1201280583/

Flanked by Harvey Weinstein and cast members Walton Goggins, Samuel L. Jackson, Kurt Russell and Jennifer Jason Leigh, Tarantino stoked the fires by regaling prospective offshore distributors with his grand plans.

Very glad academy award winner walton goggins will be getting a plum role this time around

walton goggins owns

why is this movie still not called the hateful eightful tho it enrages me

tweet from the big fella

Samuel L. Jackson ‏@SamuelLJackson 2 hours ago
It's On & Crackin' up in da Mtns of Colorado!!

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“For me it has more of a Western Iceman Cometh kind of vibe about it,” says Tarantino. The film also takes a belt from the bottle of the director’s first film Reservoir Dogs. “A bunch of guys in a room who can’t trust each other,”

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/06/this-weeks-cover-inside-quentin-tarantinos-bloody-brutal-new-western-hateful

beards!

The 10 most powerful babies!

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120916141458/marvel_dc/images/1/16/Superbaby.JPG

Sorry Charlotte

i still believe this movie shd be called the hateful eightful

that hateful eight nine

wait

the h8ful ate 9

OICU812AMI

Hateful Ate'em and Smile

Hatful of Eights (it's a Cyndi Lauper western)

“Test footage from Quentin Tarantino’s The Hateful Eight—photographed by two-time Oscar winner Robert Richardson—received enthusiastic applause when it was projected in 70mm anamorphic film for a full house at the Paramount Theater on Saturday at Cine Gear Expo.” Not only does Carolyn Giardina have more in the Hollywood Reporter but Jordan Raup adds this at the Film Stage: “A few years back Paul Thomas Anderson had a handful of pop-up screening for The Master in 70mm and it looks like Tarantino will go even further with his film, with plans to retrofit around 50 theaters in the U.S. to show the film in the format. Considering Panavision reworked 19 classic Ultra Panavision 70 anamorphic lenses for the production (not used since 1966′s Khartoum and now set to be employed for Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One by cinematographer Greig Fraser), it’s quite a substantial deal for exhibition.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/cine-gear-expo-hateful-eight-800623

http://thefilmstage.com/news/quentin-tarantino-retrofitting-50-theaters-with-70mm-projectors-for-the-hateful-eight/

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Ennio Morricone will be doing an original score for the #HatefulEight, his first western score for 40 years. Recording very soon. #sdcc

First time ever for a Tarantino film to have an all original score, I think? (Assuming that's what this also means.)

*psyched*

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJqJpOWUsAA1Pn9.jpg

:D

I want to make one announcement that people don’t know yet. It wasn’t for sure, but we just settled it. You guys know that I don’t use an original score in my movies, I kinda take scores from other movies and put ‘em in there. This one, I thought should have an original score. So I’m here to announce that the great Ennio Morricone will be doing the score for The Hateful Eight. He’s writing right now, and recording in Prague in the next couple of weeks.

wow!!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/italian-composer-morricone-slams-tarantino-428954

Ennio likes money.

maybe QT gave him more time

Well he's doing a whole score so I'd imagine so. :)

too old to say no

So there *is* someone older than you after all

The Hateful Eight ComicCon panel. Tarantino says digital projection is just "HBO in public" so he may as well write for TV after he's completed his tenth film.

https://youtu.be/HmR5vkF9pR8

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q7UQLUcK2sY

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Madsen+Comic+Con+International+2015+lOiVqq-E55Ml.jpg

speak up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnRbXn4-Yis

I probably feel about this the way most people feel about Star Wars - excited but also slightly trepidatious

yeah, same

I wonder how far I'd have to travel to actually see it in 70mm?

I assume this will run at the Castro (where I got to see similar special presentation of Inherent Vice) so I'll probably see it there

mostly just stoked for the Goggins of it all

yeah goggins and tarantino is a match made in heaven

The lines he was having to deliver in Justified were getting really tiresome by the last couple of seasons — maybe he'll come across better reading QT words. xp

Never got tired of him on Justfied tbh, tho I still kinda think his work in the last couple seasons of The Shield is peak Goggins

"one of these men is not who he says he is" .. uh oh.

but then.. yeah *looks* great.

from the teaser, the premise looks extremely straightforward: big reward money up for grabs, laconic violent men out to claim it, with plenty of treachery and double-dealing guaranteed. the cinematography/lighting look very good. all indications point to a lovingly crafted, big budget homage to the spaghetti western. could be v good. then again, it's a tarantino film, so you have to be prepared for a heavy meal of self-indulgence.

I did not know Goggins was in this. I always like Tarantino's stuff so my interest was already piqued but now it's at full attention.

his movies look too fussy, now, like glossy & choreographed to death & buffed

I did not know Goggins was in this. I always like Tarantino's stuff so my interest was already piqued but now it's at full attention.

― Gristly Bear (Old Lunch),

http://i.imgur.com/uu9pmDP.gif

corpsey xp

this thread has encouraged me to watch... Justified

think his movies look much better than they used to, as his scripts have declined he's become a much better more interesting director visually imo

this thread has encouraged me to watch... Justified

Can't say I expected this twist in the story. (don't go past season 2, you've got enough to kvetch about)

as his scripts have declined

Inglorious Basterds is his best by a wide margin imo, but Django is also his worst by a wide margin so this one will, for me at least, indicate whether there's a pattern emerging

I cant believe it took this many years for jennifer jason leigh to be in a tarantino movie. cant think of a more natural actor/director pairing

Sligthly saddened by a '70mm' film being digitally color graded so boringly. What's the point?

prince charles cinema in london will be showing it on 70mm - i think QT is the reason they recently got a 70mm projector installed (friends in high places etc etc)

i watched basterds recently in one of those nothing to watch pits of despair and i really thought it was brilliant

trailer looks much better if you *dont* watch it in HD

I'm sure it's just the trailer but shooting 2.76:1 for what looks like a bottle movie is a weird waste of a format but, like i said it's probably the trailer so...

"I probably feel about this the way most people feel about Star Wars - excited but also slightly trepidatious

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

^^that

wish he would get someone else to write for him. or adapt more books. this looks like it will probably be another fun but ultimately cine-incestuous project for him. shame as hes an amazing director.

if the final script is basically similar to the one that leaked, I think it'll be pretty great, the juxtaposition of claustrophobia amid colossal scope (in both a literal and figurative sense) is really fascinating

that said one of the reasons why I thought that script was fascinating was the ending, and that's the aspect most likely to change.

i will be v disappointed if tarantino doesn't manage to work in someone saying "you've got to be fucking kidding me"

A friend who works at an equipment rental place just posted this on his Facebook timeline

"This is what happens when Tarantino rents gear from work."

http://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11224545_10155945945085331_6619129660084157062_o.jpg

New interview:
http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/quentin-tarantino-lane-brown-in-conversation.html

That’s going to make this movie feel contemporary. Everybody’s talking about race right now.

I know. I’m very excited by that.

Excited?

Finally, the issue of white supremacy is being talked about and dealt with. And it’s what the movie’s about.

Have you seen True Detective?

I tried to watch the first episode of season one, and I didn’t get into it at all. I thought it was really boring. And season two looks awful. Just the trailer — all these handsome actors trying to not be handsome and walking around looking like the weight of the world is on their shoulders. It’s so serious, and they’re so tortured, trying to look miserable with their mustaches and grungy clothes.

Now, the HBO show I loved was Aaron Sorkin’s The Newsroom. That was the only show that I literally watched three times. I would watch it at seven o’clock on Sunday, when the new one would come on. Then after it was over, I’d watch it all over again. Then I would usually end up watching it once during the week, just so I could listen to the dialogue one more time.

I think people will be surprised to hear that. The Newsroom’s reviews were all over the place. Sorkin even apologized for some of it.

Who the fuck reads TV reviews? Jesus fucking Christ. TV critics review the pilot. Pilots of shows suck. Why would it be surprising that I like the best dialogue writer in the business?

-_-

honestly that's not surprising, given tarantino's predilections, but lollllll

Who the fuck reads TV reviews? Jesus fucking Christ. TV critics review the pilot. Pilots of shows suck.

fair point tho

writer of cokey dialogue loves cokey dialogue: news at 11

TV critics review the pilot. Pilots of shows suck.

Have you seen True Detective?
I tried to watch the first episode of season one, and I didn’t get into it at all.

writer of cokey dialogue loves cokey dialogue: news at 11
--Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl)

lol otm

xp it's kind of funny he says/thinks that (granted, he may be trolling to a certain degree) bc the only time critics just get a show's pilot is if the network is super unsure about it or if it's mad men. iirc the usual critic sample is between 3 and 6 episodes.

"Finally, the issue of white supremacy is being talked about and dealt with. And it’s what the movie’s about."

does anyone really want to hear QT of all people riff on this subject?

Most tv criticicism at this point is concurrent recaps of every episode. Several seasons of The Newsroom only got pillaged towards the end.

"So what is Hateful Eight saying about the 2010s?

I’m not trying to make Hateful Eight contemporary in any way, shape, or form. I’m just trying to tell my story. It gets to be a little too much when you try to do that, when you try to make a hippie Western or try to make a counterculture Western."

thats what will always make QT a dissappointment. him and PTA in a way. they have no interest in saying anything about the time we live in. maybe thats good in one sense. but its also just a bit empty, leading to movies that are great but dont resonate much beyond their own movie worlds.

other things i learned from that interview - QT's taste in modern movies and directors sucks. who is going to be watching american hustle in 20 years when they could be watching something from the actual 70s? but he is right about it follows at least.

Anything Else is one of his favorite films. So, y'know.

i suppose he did like afternoon delight at least (not that ive seen it) so at least his taste in modern films isnt totally confined to his director friends.

lol@at his comments about all those 'arty' cate blanchett films

him and PTA in a way. they have no interest in saying anything about the time we live in.

i think PTA absolutely does, but he has little to no interest in saying it in any direct fashion through stories taking place in the present time, other than in magnolia. but there will be blood and the master are both thematically relevant to aspects of modern society/politics/etc, especially the former

tarantino...not so much. (although i'm sure someone could and will make a case for the original hateful eight script being an on-the-nose allegory for modern ideological/racial conflict; i'm not entirely sure such a reading would hold up)

xpost

Is he friends with Woody? Even so, that doesn't even come close to justifying Anything Else as the best WA film since 1992, let alone one of the very best films in that time frame.

QT also an avowed fan of the Richard Gere remake of Breathless, iirc.

otm, also PTA's body of work is basically a continuous exploration of Southern California history. Even though it's not capital-T topical, on some level his films almost always tend to trace how we ended up where we are.

xp

I haven't seen Breathless 2.0 in 30+ years, but it WAS made by a talented guy, Jim McBride, so it must've had good stuff in it. Probably more discerning ppl would pick David Holzman's Diary tho.

I think the ending of Inherent Vice addresses the present by implication.

thats what will always make QT a dissappointment. him and PTA in a way. they have no interest in saying anything about the time we live in. maybe thats good in one sense. but its also just a bit empty, leading to movies that are great but dont resonate much beyond their own movie worlds.

― StillAdvance, 24. august 2015 12:48 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That was my problem with QT for a long time, but I think it's changed over the last decade. Inglourious Basterds is especially good at this, but Death Proof and Django Unchained tries this as well.

PTA definitely seems to want to do this, I think, I just don't think he has something very smart to say. Punch-Drunk Love still his best.

Be careful what you wish for, StillAdvance. I personally don't need to see Tarantino's Ferguson movie.

at the risk of being lazy (ive prob said this before somewhere), i think PTA doesnt have much to say that hasnt been said by earlier filmmakers he looks up to (who *did* say things about the eras they lived in). he might be looking at the past, in a way that allows you to trace LA or US history, but i think any historical movie would do this in some fashion, thats yknow, the point of looking at history! i dont expect him to come out with some franzen-esque script addressing Big Modern Issues (though yknow, WHY NOT?), but its just easier for someone like him and QT to go digging in the past than face the present.

idk man no one should address things the way franzen does, ever in the history of ever lol

i like franzen, though i hope the new one doesnt address his latest big issues like freedom did, where it was more about him addressing the issue than how he did do

*did so

I think both QT and PTA (love 'em or hate 'em) are very much about the present. I don't really understand the complaint here unless the what you are looking for very "on the nose" kind of filmmaking in which case yeah I guess they're maybe not your bag.

I think Tarantino's point in the interview is that movies (and Westerns especially) always end up being about the era in which they're made, and Hateful Eight will too. Just that he thinks self-defeating and unnecessary to try to make a Western that "reflects the era."

Is modern life not that inspiring?
No, it's not that. I would really like to do a movie set in the present. It just keeps working out that that’s not the case. I do feel that I need to do at least one more Western — I think you need to make three Westerns to call yourself a Western director. But it would be really great to do another movie where a TV’s on in the background, or somebody turns on a radio, and then I can score my scene that way, and then turn it off when I want the music to stop. Or they get into a car and drive for a while, and I can actually do a little montage of them driving to some cool song. That would be really great. I haven’t done that in a long time, and I’m really looking forward to it.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/how-quentin-tarantino-would-fix-it-follows.html

"In Django Unchained, the villains were slave owners. In Inglourious Basterds, they were Nazis. If you were to make a similar movie in 2015, who would the bad guys be?

Those two movies are very specific and kind of stand alone from the rest of my filmography, so that question is jumping from the assumption that it would be something cut into that mode. I think it would be something closer to either Reservoir Dogs, Jackie Brown, or Pulp Fiction, or something even realer than that. "

he should have done a first nations/native american revenge movie.

though the lack of film industry interest in native american issues/history is pretty pathetic so i wouldnt bet on it.

Would love to see Tarantino's version of the Squanto story

Double crossing, slave trading, lots of blood

reading about the disney version, it just sounds like a 'good indian' story, about an indian who helps the settlers, until the ending at least. is wikipedia missing the righteous-vengeance part of the story?

Death Proof

My favorite (I think intentionally) conspicuous contemporary QT moment comes in Death Proof, when this self-consciously retro revenge car chase thriller morphs from time capsule '70s to a car chase on a busy road where every vehicle seems to be a modern suburban minivan. I only saw the movie once, but the one time I thought that bit was hilarious.

PTA's big films definitely seem more interested in "how we got here," though for sure some of his movies hover in this weird timeless purgatory a la QT. Like, when is Reservoir Dogs set? Pulp Fiction? Jackie Brown? Hard Eight? Punch Drunk Love? Magnolia? Doesn't really matter. They're stagey set-piece character studies first and foremost. Hated "Django," but "Basterds" was sort of brilliantly pomo in the way its sensibilities bounced around. I'm looking forward to more stuff like that, revisionist genre works twisted a bit by QT's perspective.

Kind of wish Tarantino would dip his toes back into TV a bit. Not as a writer or (barf) actor, but as a director of someone else's material. He's done that once or twice, right? Maybe an ER or something like that?

He did a two-part episode of CSI.

xpost ER and CSI. He'll only do acronymed shows.

He's hinted at moving over to TV once his tenth movie is done. Tarantino's Twin Peaks.

xpost - i think the reaction to DP made him retreat into safer genre stuff...

like, before that, QT was prob taking a few more risks

I don't know if Basterds or Django are safer, but they're definitely smarter. At least the former is.

another reason is that you wouldnt get someone like QT doing a native american venge-fest is that well, its just cooler and more acceptable to be doing films about jewish and african american atrocities, than it is NA ones (though thats perhaps for another thread)

smarter how?

Well, I really like the revisionism of "Basterds" as actual audacious revisionism. As in, they actually kill Hitler! Et al. Which, along with all the movie stuff, I think comments loudly about the role (or frequent role) of film as escapism and/or wish fulfillment, which of course is another aspect of revenge. It's pretty all tied together for me, though I haven't seen the movie in years. "Django" is much less smart. Dumb, even. But I think "Basterds" is the most complex and thoughtful thing he's done.

xpost

Never saw Django, but I think you're selling Basterds short. If you reduce it to premise alone (grindhouse movie about badass Jewish unit that kills Hitler), then, yeah, it seems easy and stupid, but in execution the movie had a lot more going on than that. It feels like half the movie doesn't even feature those guys! And it is filled with long, tense scenes with pretty unconventional rhythms.

I don't even really love Basterds, I just think that saying it's dumber/safer than, like, the Kill Bill movies seems weird to me.

Yeah, "Basterds" would have been largely the same san said Basterds, who were easily the weakest and most expendable link in the movie.

Even Kill Bill, the first one is just dumb fun, but the second one is much more complex and sensitive, iirc, which somewhat recontextualizes the first (which of course was not originally intended to be a first, just the first part of one epic).

maybe not safer or dumber, but def QT really out to crowd please more than ever. its like thats his great aim right now, or has been the last 2 films at least.

Django was dumb fan service. But Basterds is pretty weird and Death Proof challenging in its dullness alone. And kinda subversive, in the sense that the violent revenge aspect of the former is its least consequential, and the latter is overwhelmingly (iirc) four girls sitting around and talking. First Kill Bill was prob peak Tarantino crowd please. Probably also his most virtuoso filmmaking, though, so I can dig it. Shame he keep bsing about retirement, because I look forward to seeing what kind of movies really old QT starts to make. Kind of wild how not prolific the guy is, though. He seems like the sort of dude who would crank out films, a la almost all of his icons. Save Leone, I guess.

Despite some plot implausibilities, I enjoy Django more than Basterds tbh

One of my favorite scenes in Tarantino is when that girl in Death Proof gets an sms she's been waiting for, and it's outside and the music starts playing, and all of a sudden it's as if he's redoing Umbrellas of Cherbourg for a few seconds. Then it's back to badass, but I love the little islands of feelings he puts in there sometimes.

I think Django is both better and smarter than Basterds, but I enjoyed both.

the story of Squanto that's told in the 1491 book is insanely epic

he works for everyone and no one, he's like a triple agent, he crosses the Atlantic like 5 times, survives countless capture attempts, it's nuts

Django and Basterds would both be improved by someone with enough power to make Tarantino do some editing. I love Death Proof and one of the reasons is that he had to keep it relatively short and tight due to the double-feature structure.

Death Proof is probably my 2nd-favorite Tarantino movie (fave being Kill Bill Vol 1)

i dont know why he is so slow in making movies - i imagine he would be writing all the time, but maybe he is thinking of his legacy, or maybe the weinsteins want to maximise on the power of a QT film, so only want one every so often so they can really work it fully. though youd think he might do some smaller projects here and there too.

Eh who needs another Four Rooms.

yeah are people forgetting how shit is extra work was in the 90s?

he's smart to play to his strengths, write/direct his own material + make "event" movies

Other that watching Eli Roth attempt to act, I don't think Death Proof is dull at all.* I don't get the feeling that Tarantino treated it any differently than any other movie in terms of level of effort/focus or whater.

*Death Proof improved immensely when I saw it as a single bill rather than as a double-feature.

xp be even smarter if he didn't try acting in them, but otherwise totally agree.

Death Proof is v good (altho I infinitely prefer the second set of girls to the first, and this impacts how enjoyable it is on the whole). It's too bad Qt seems to consider it a failure - it's more like the whole marketing ploy was a failure, rather than the film itself. Didn't help things that Planet Terror was p crap.

I think sometimes the single best scene in a Tarantino movie is the McGowan/Russell part leading into the car chase/head on collision just wrt music and editing and tension.

That whole sequence is chilling.

https://twitter.com/juvie_cinephile/status/635932735626842112

One of my favorite scenes in Tarantino is when that girl in Death Proof gets an sms she's been waiting for, and it's outside and the music starts playing, and all of a sudden it's as if he's redoing Umbrellas of Cherbourg for a few seconds. Then it's back to badass, but I love the little islands of feelings he puts in there sometimes.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:11 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stuff like this in DP is actually what i liked most in a way, just those moments where the story just seems to be going nowhere. i dug the first half more than the second, it's like a parody of a bad 70s drama that is somehow still affecting

I think sometimes the single best scene in a Tarantino movie is the McGowan/Russell part leading into the car chase/head on collision just wrt music and editing and tension.

― nomar, Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:17 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That whole sequence is chilling.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:16 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES

it's very like bad '70s TV cuz it's a bad short film

Profound.

https://imgflip.com/i/q4k5v

https://i.imgflip.com/q4k5v.jpg

Death Proof is v well done, but I feel incapable of watching it in the detached, meta-aware way that it seems to require and instead just get nauseated.

muscle cars, zoe bell, rosario dawson and kurt russell: it's like he KNOWS me

‘‘If you’ve made money being a critic in black culture in the last 20 years you have to deal with me,’’ he says. ‘‘You must have an opinion of me. You must deal with what I’m saying and deal with the consequences.’’ He pauses, considers. ‘‘If you sift through the criticism,’’ he says, ‘‘you’ll see it’s pretty evenly divided between pros and cons. But when the black critics came out with savage think pieces about ‘Django,’ I couldn’t have cared less. If people don’t like my movies, they don’t like my movies, and if they don’t get it, it doesn’t matter. The bad taste that was left in my mouth had to do with this: It’s been a long time since the subject of a writer’s skin was mentioned as often as mine. You wouldn’t think the color of a writer’s skin should have any effect on the words themselves. In a lot of the more ugly pieces my motives were really brought to bear in the most negative way. It’s like I’m some supervillain coming up with this stuff.’"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/t-magazine/quentin-tarantino-bret-easton-ellis-interview.html

Yes how could the color of someone's skin possibly matter in this world, thank you Quentin Tarantino

That URL alone sort of tells the whole story doesn't it

it sure does

As hugely influential as his earlier movies were (there seemed to be thousands of terrible rip-offs throughout the ’90s and into the 2000s), it’s impossible now to imagine an earnest 20-something millennial dreaming up a film as perverse and lurid as ‘‘Pulp Fiction’’ or ‘‘Reservoir Dogs’’ or anything else he’s made. In an era obsessed with ‘‘triggering’’ and ‘‘microaggressions’’ and the policing of language, the Tarantino oeuvre is relentlessly un-PC: His movies are impolite, rude, irresponsible and somewhat cold.

lol jesus

The Conceptual Adventures of ERNEST, The 20-Something Millennial

Bret Easton Ellis idiot.

It's hard to imagine Reservoir Dogs being made by a bunch of fucking babies amirite QT hi five

As hugely influential as his earlier movies were (there seemed to be thousands of terrible rip-offs throughout the ’90s and into the 2000s), it’s impossible now to imagine an earnest 20-something millennial dreaming up a film as perverse and lurid as ‘‘Pulp Fiction’’ or ‘‘Reservoir Dogs’’ or anything else he’s made.

Hmmn pretty sure it's totally possible to imagine a filmmaker making a film like Reservoir Dogs (Pulp Fiction a little harder to imagine, that's a pretty odd movie and very of a time).

the cocaine round table

Bret Easton Ellis idiot.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ellis seems like such an arrogant, smug creep in interviews and on twitter that i feel embarrassed for ever liking any of his work even a little bit

talk like that is likely to get you kicked off of Brett Easton Ellis Island

yeah it's kind of startling to realize that this guy who some people once thought was some kind of wunderkind of literature is actually just like your dumb bigoted uncle who everyone rolls their eyes at

i think all those author photos of him looking gloomy and contemplative made people assume he was actually a serious writer and not just a guy who got really really lucky

Misanthrope is misanthropic!

shallow cynic is shallowly cynical

"yeah it's kind of startling to realize that this guy who some people once thought was some kind of wunderkind of literature"

Some people are idiots.

Was he ever called a wunderkind? I've read his mid eighties press clippings. Seems like he was a star more than a litterateur.

he managed to be at all the right bars and club openings with the Brat Pack, McInerney, the Brat Pack, Janowitz, et al.

the Brat Pack too

http://www.schallerweber.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Bratwurst-450x300.jpg

He went Didion when everyone was going Carver and it worked out.

i think what you guys are saying is he and Tarantella deserve each other

i'm not sure ellis was ever remotely critically acclaimed - less than zero got some buzz in and sold well, then rules of attraction was slaughtered by critics who couldn't wait to dismiss this twerp, then the american psycho drama where the controversy and it changing publishers helped it get taken more seriously than it would've otherwise. i would guess mcinerney got treated more nicely by critics, nevermind donna tartt.

anyway yes definitely him and tarantino deserve each other

Ellis would've loved Vine in 1985.

pretty much!

I can guiltily enjoy works from both of them, but their juxtaposition is going to reveal their similarities more than differences, and their similarities are... not good.

Worst moment of academe in the last 25 years isn't trigger warnings, it's American Psycho making it in syllabi.

I can't remember, which adaptation is Ellis most fond of? I was thinking it was Rules of Attraction, which has some loathsome moments but overall has the most human characters. And the really repulsive characters come off as repulsive on screen, even when there are hints of charisma

Worst sin of adapting BEE is allowing viewers to feel characters are more charismatic than repulsive

Ellis's best book is Glamorama anyhow.

It's the only I've felt like rereading. Never reread it, but I considered it.

rules of attraction feels the most like an actual ellis novel, american psycho the best ellis film adaptation obv. similar to how the shining or carrie are best stephen king adaptations but the mist or misery feel most like his novels.

i'm not sure ellis was ever remotely critically acclaimed - less than zero got some buzz in and sold well, then rules of attraction was slaughtered by critics who couldn't wait to dismiss this twerp, then the american psycho drama where the controversy and it changing publishers helped it get taken more seriously than it would've otherwise. i would guess mcinerney got treated more nicely by critics, nevermind donna tartt.

― balls, Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:08 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well yeah i guess but if you were a teenager in the 1980s and 1990s there were always a bunch of assholes who thought he was the bee's knees

i happen to think tarantino is really talented but i would never suggest he was anything but full of shit

Hitchcock:Didion :: Tarantino:Ellis

yeah i mean i guess it speaks somewhat well of him as a human being (in that eventually somewhere if you dig around enough you'll be able to find a kind of violence even tarantino doesn't get a giggly hardon for) but i thought one of the many flaws is he just didn't know how to deal w/ that reality, his skillset didn't work w/ it (he'd almost have been better off doing a much more offensive exploitation pic like his beloved mandingo, at least that he could've executed better), whereas someone like spielberg (esp mature spielberg, maybe not 1985 spielberg so much) would've been able to craft something that worked as straightforward entertainment and acknowledged/honored the history.

not sure if spielberg's historical films are really a good balance to tarantino

Lunar Park my favorite Ellis book: crypto-memoir about partying with Emilio Estefan while blowing dudes in restrooms.

Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCvG1TCyikM

The director later took a lot more of the footage he shot (he spent two weeks following the actor around Europe) and turned it into a 90 minute movie I've never seen.

Has anyone seen it? I could have sworn it never became a thing

It's OK.

Tarantino is about a 60 million times better director than Ellis is a writer, but I can't dispute that QT sounds like a complete jackass every time he's interviewed.

Tarantino being "very talented" is about as relevant as Bill Clinton being "very smart." They are most notable for squandering those gifts.

He's not everyone's cup of tea. Can't all be Spielbergs.

yeah i talk shit but i'll be seeing hateful eightful this xmas i know

I can't remember, which adaptation is Ellis most fond of?

Zoolander is my fave.

xps Beg to differ. Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNGS9JsYt8

unrecognized inspiration for Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker, surely

oh great, ive turned this into a BEEllis thread.

should've emphasized the "HBO in public" angle

Of Ellis I only like Less Than Zero, Rules of Attraction & American Psycho. Informers was ok, but I haven't liked anything from Glamorama on

I like pretty much all of QT's films.

Don't like Tarantino, aside from Jackie Brown. Hard-pressed to think of a movie that holds up less well than Pulp Fiction - maybe Hackers. His fetish for widescreen projection is just a very rich boy's version of audiophile dorkery; if the movie you're watching is a piece of shit, it doesn't matter if it's on an IMAX screen or an iPhone. And he's been posturing as some kind of brave iconoclast spreading the word of racial-unity-through-crassness for at least 20 years. It's never been anything but embarrassing for all involved.

comment invalidated by the timelessness of Hackers

a movie that holds up less well than Pulp Fiction

before Django my opinion has always been that this was his weakest movie. Inglorious Basterds is the masterpiece.

has always

was always

jackie brown > the movies that aren't on either side of this slot > reservoir dogs

I guess I have lost objectivity on Pulp Fiction, hard for me now to assess it's good/badness. I always get caught up remembering how great it was seeing it for the first time in the theater & get kinda stuck in the nostalgia of watching it

idk if that's a thing? call it "the star wars effect"

man I really can't stand IB, in large part thanks to Christoph Waltz's terrible mugging and how his penchant for long takes is really a facile way to gin up tension.

Waltz can't perform without projecting how adorable he is.

i love pulp fiction but one time i flipped by it during the "if you had a pot belly, i would punch you in it" scene and man oh man is that not the one to flip by the movie during

one of those films where so much of what made it fresh and novel has been normalized that the stuff people DIDN'T bother to lift is often with good reason

Waltz doesn't bother me - he's cartoonish, sure, but he's hardly alone on that count, the general hamminess on display (with the notable exception of the only two virtuous main characters in the film) is part and parcel of the film's overall fairytale approach.

i like waltz but i also like imagining john malkovich planning to kill him for eating his lunch

haha true

QT can do realism + naturalistic dialogue, but IB isn't about that - it's operating in an explicitly unrealistic milieu of archetypes and wish fulfillment

i like ib more in hindsight but i still think it's a bummer tarantino has gone from an unpredictable mix of action-heavy and dialogue-heavy scenes - you never knew which the next would be - to long dialogue scenes directly leading to (if not outright discussing) the following action-heavy scenes. i have to assume he found his time-jump hijinks getting cliche but the alternative seems relatively leaden coming from him

i totally understand if people think his revenge flick period is overrated - at this point basically all well-known auteurs are "overrated" because the middlebrow audience is given so few directors with an aggressively authorial style - but i still think they're worthwhile

Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone

It's also, funnily enough, the link between QT and BEE, since the director (Roger Avary) co-wrote Reservoir Dogs, True Romance and Pulp Fiction, the first two uncredited. And the fact that they never worked together again is considered by some (including me) to be the main reason why QT has never bettered those early films.

is it that qt specifically needs roger avary or that qt needs a non-kiss-ass-if-still-obviously-beta collaborator

i'm with shakey, IB is the one.

for damn sure he bettered PF and RD and especially TR...and it happened when he based a movie on a novel.

IB is def my favorite

IB is best. Death Proof is also fairly underrated.

Christoph Waltz's terrible mugging ... Waltz can't perform without projecting how adorable he is

these qualities belong to the character. judging from other waltz performances (including django) they also belong to him, but qt's major talent area has always been casting.

i like the long takes tho. attendez la creme.

Did Waltz show any real acting range in the Tim Burton or Polanski films he did?

he was an absolute gargoyle in the burton movie, but i can't put that all on him.

like if you think he was unctuously over the top as an sadistic ss officer you should see him as an unsupportive husband

Four Rooms 4 lyfe yall

I'm not looking for range. His screen presence is tiresome.

I'd say his talent was casting, based on the appearance of Scrunchy Face, Waltz, and the insistence on casting himself.

callow glib frat-boy prince pretending to be a king is kind of the role scrunchy face was born to play too

not making any arguments for qt appearances though no.

destiny turns on the radio was on tv the other day. there's a movie from the 1990s.

waltz was excellent in IB but I think he was better in DU. Somewhat better as a good guy with murky motives than a delightful nazi.

though I think he'll be perfect for spectre

callow glib frat-boy prince pretending to be a king is kind of the role scrunchy face was born to play too

― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour),

oh so you're not referring to Waltz

sweaty bigface is a blight on moviedom

the only time I've ever enjoyed him was Wolf of Wall St and even there it felt like he was just doing a Ray Liotta impression

The reaction to his recent films actually has me wondering if reservoir dogs would have gotten higher marks if told as a straight narrative - the tragic story of an undercover cop whose deal we knew from the get-go. Acquiring that straightforward narrative engine certainly hasn't cost him in terms of acclaim and audience

(xpost)

Fitting, as WoWS was a Goodfellas impression.

yeah the parallels are p obvious

i love pulp fiction but one time i flipped by it during the "if you had a pot belly, i would punch you in it" scene and man oh man is that not the one to flip by the movie during

― da croupier, Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:01 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i hate this scene so much..fabienne is the nadir of tarantino's career, somehow even the characters that he plays himself cannot ever be as irritating as fabienne...

like just the way she says "blueberry pancakes" alone makes me want to event horizon myself

to make things more delicious, imagine QT playing Fabienne himself.

grindhouse has gotten this rep of deserved flop but it was one of the most enjoyable times at the theater i've had, pure glee, wes morris talked about wanting to cheer at the freeze frame on them hi-fiving after beating the shit out of kurt russell, that was exactly how i felt. think jackie brown and the kill bills are the only ones i could imagine deliberately wanting to watch anymore. i might watch true romance if i flipped past it on cable.

Rewatching KB a couple of years ago I was struck by just how well it is made. I think Tarantino is in some ways an underrated director, since so often it's the whole package of personality plus writer plus director that gets assessed. I think IB was immaculately directed as well, and after that Django was a huuuuuuuge disappointment. Just a weak script/theme/everything, and Waltz got on my nerves like nothing else.

RD stands up as an ur-indie sort of template, but I think PF and JB are both great as well, and really easy to rewatch. Grindhouse I enjoyed a lot - it's in my wheelhouse - but I recall being really disappointed by how not far the pair pushed the concept, especially RR. The trailers were all great, though, and got the idea across better than the movies.

grindhouse has gotten this rep of deserved flop but it was one of the most enjoyable times at the theater i've had, pure glee, wes morris talked about wanting to cheer at the freeze frame on them hi-fiving after beating the shit out of kurt russell, that was exactly how i felt. think jackie brown and the kill bills are the only ones i could imagine deliberately wanting to watch anymore. i might watch true romance if i flipped past it on cable.
--balls

grindhouse was def a really fun theatrical experience (saw it at midnight in college, incredibly drunk/stoned) that I can't imagine working well when watched at home and definitely didn't work when I watched the two movies as separate entities

Saw the back end of PF on one of the showtimes last night and was still pretty entertained. Travolta - who was only like 40! - seemed shockingly young and cocky to me now considering what an established post-comeback presence he was. A little like 90s LL Cool J.

that's a good comparison

haha that's a gear comparison

one of my major problems with PF, aside from its overall slapped-together feel, is the casting - I just can't really get with Travolta or Bruce Willis

maybe tarantino is Not For You.

PF is his only movie with those jackasses, and PF is his only movie where it's themes are needlessly muddled and obscured in the service of what I'm not sure exactly

his other stuff (minus Django) I love unreservedly to varying degrees

it seems weird that that bit of stunt casting bothers you and none of the other bits of stunt casting

i am still trying to parse this:

at this point basically all well-known auteurs are "overrated" because the middlebrow audience is given so few directors with an aggressively authorial style

― da croupier, Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3 tarantino though, like i spent years thinking 'man nah just a director for teenagers' and then i watched a buncha stuff again and huh, there is more there there than i thought

it's not the stunt casting, it's the actual actors. I just don't like watching them.

I actually think they're both really well cast in that movie, but I can definitely see how what came after could cause someone to get exhausted watching them again in anything.

bruce willis isn't great there though his performance matches the script (i remember chris fujiwara writing the smartest thing about tarantino playing w/ the timeline is it lets him out the best parts of the movie at the beginning and the end), it feels as phony as that whole segment.. travolta's fantastic though, it's a shame that (w/ the exception of get shorty) after this he either was this corny dadrock hip good guy (literally an angel that smokes at one point) or a corny dad sunglasses hip bad guy. in fever and grease and even pulp fiction he was this dumb palooka a little in over his head w/ some girl just barely out of his class and playing it cool was how he got over. pulp fiction is like the beatles or "smells like teen spirit", any enjoyment i get now is tied to nostalgia or maybe noticing something i hadn't noticed before or had forgotten.

how is bruce willis stunt casting?
bruce willis is basically great in everything he does.

i am still trying to parse this:

at this point basically all well-known auteurs are "overrated" because the middlebrow audience is given so few directors with an aggressively authorial style

― da croupier, Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

had a long embellishment written and then realized i don't actually know what your problem is with what i said so i'll wait and see if i find out

xpost bruce willis' stature in 1994 was pretty terrible (the same year he made North and Color Of Night) - this movie basically started the theory that "bald bruce means its a good movie" which worked for almost a decade

I haven't liked Bruce Willis in anything since a handful of Moonlighting episodes, sorry. (this is well travelled ground here)

http://www.toonarific.com/pics_root//00000576/brunothekidlogo.jpg

O____O

how

how was i unaware

I think this came up when Die Hard won the action movie poll but I can't find the thread

travolta's fantastic though, it's a shame that (w/ the exception of get shorty) after this he either was this corny dadrock hip good guy (literally an angel that smokes at one point) or a corny dad sunglasses hip bad guy.

I was gonna disagree with this but looking at his filmography there's literally not a single movie after pulp fiction where travolta is the correct casting decision. probably the most stellar example of an actually very good performer moving away from what made him legend in a bid for middlebrow.

willis was great in PF and only in recent years has he started to really mail it in half the time. His heart only seems to be in it when he does something like moonrise kingdom.

are you basing this on an appreciation of his work in films like striking distance and the jackal or did you just forget he made striking distance and the jackal

https://thedissolve.com/features/forgotbusters/939-a-1996-double-feature-looks-at-the-year-of-john-tr/

These days, Travolta’s personal and professional career, not to mention his religious and sexual lives, emit an enduring trainwreck fascination. But in the aftermath of his career-resurrecting performance in 1994’s Pulp Fiction, and the success of 1995’s Get Shorty, Travolta was so popular, he starred in no fewer than three of the 20 top-grossing films of 1996: Michael, Phenomenon, and Broken Arrow. Yes, there was a time when Travolta’s name in the credits actually encouraged audiences to see a film, when they assumed any film with him in a starring role must be worth seeing. It’s a testament to how popular he was in the mid-1990s that audiences paid good money to see, in Phenomenon and Michael, variations on the same sub-mediocre movie.

those movies are horrible but I don't think he was mailing it in, I mean perhaps a bit but not in the sense that you could tell he'd rather be doing something else. I mean he was napping during the action scenes in die hard 5 iirc

i definitely agree he's found new lows but dude was never exactly a reliable fount of inspiration

remember when the summer of 1994 was supposed to be about the racy, adult, and innovative Color of Night?

that that is the only richard rush movie since The Stunt Man boggles my mind

I remember the ads were all "from acclaimed director richard rush"

Related, I remember when Natural Born Killers opened and Tarantino said he was more excited to see Color of Night opening the same day.

I have a memory of Siskel and Ebert having a ball ripping this one to shreds

here it is. And they review Killing Zoe!

http://siskelandebert.org/video/54AOBG19GSHO/Color-of-Night--Killing-Zoe--Andre-1994

rewatching some moonlighting was really eye-opening cuz you can see how he delivered the "bill murray type" they wanted. hard for me to remember sometimes that die hard (the film where we learned a bill murray type could fire an automatic gun while swinging on a rope) came AFTER The Return of Bruno - he hadn't even had a blockbuster movie before he was showing stunning levels of hubris. pretty much from the beginning bruce let filmmakers know that his attention on set was a privilege, not a right. it's not really that recently stopped trying so much as he can't even be bothered to look self-impressed anymore.

bruce let filmmakers know that his attention on set was a privilege, not a right

this comes through in his nonstop smugness on-screen, I really don't like watching it. He's never been in a great movie imo (he has been in some decent-to-very-good ones, which were usually good in spite of him, incl Moonrise Kingdom)

That's partly why he's effective in Nobody's Fool: the smugness gets punctured (who wouldn't leave Bruce Willis to fuck Paul Newman?).

Willis is a true asset and not it's-all-about-me in, say, Mortal Thoughts, Death Becomes Her, Breakfast of Champions.

he's fine in The Sixth Sense too when we remembered his baldness.

eh I'm not watching that

http://wondergressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/shrug.jpg

It just occurred to me that there were two movies prior to PF that featured both Travolta and Willis.

iirc sidney lumet said brando had a test where he'd give two similar takes to a director early on and if the director didn't notice some key magical difference brando would consider them a rube and not even bother for the rest of the shoot. it would seem like willis might have a similar philosophy but the implication then is that m night shyamalan noticed the difference.

Alfred otm re Nobody's Fool.

yeah i guess i was being a bit hyerbolic. willis isn't always great. i guess i've skipped a lot of his big action movies and seen more of this "character" roles in smaller films, in which he's usually quite charming.

For example Moonlight Kingdom?

He's never been in a great movie imo

Willis? He's been in a few. Die Hard, 12 Monkeys (great acting in both), Sixth Sense, Pulp Fiction. Whenever he does show up in smaller films, it's usually a pleasure. Like Nobody's Fool, or Fast Food Nation, or his cameos in The Player or even Oceans 12.

his cameo in the player is funny but come on

he's about to do Misery on Broadway

And he's in the new one by Barry Levinson, with Bill Murray

Gotta keep busy between Emmett/Furla pictures

There was a profile of him in the NYTimes fall arts preview about Misery and it was clear that the poor reporter was given nothing but glares and curt answers.

Looper!

police unions in NY, LA, Philly call for boycott of "cop-hater" QT (ie, he's appeared at a BLM rally)

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-union-tarantino-boycott-20151028-story.html

between this and his calling digital cinema "HBO in public," all he has to do is quit filmmaking (and lying about John Ford) and i might like him again).

Like and dislike are cheap, Morbs, you know that.

i thought that was life

and dislife

The unedited version of the NY Times profile is better than what was published:

http://breteastonellis.com/unedited-new-york-times-quentin-tarantino-article/

What did he say about Ford

Nothing, but there are just fuller opinions, like this:

Tarantino says this is not necessarily new—marginalized groups attacking movies, of all things—but the problem with “socially conscious” filmmakers is that their work can suffer when they resist genre, which Tarantino prizes, and give into something more earnest and PSA-like. Jonathan Demme, for example, makes the noble AIDS drama about a dying gay lawyer, Philadelphia, after the success of his ghoulish Oscar-winning thriller The Silence of the Lambs, which was—hard to remember—boycotted by gay-rights groups in its depiction of Buffalo Bill, a serial killer who isn’t transsexual but believes himself to be. Tarantino sympathizes with what Demme’s intentions might have been in making Philadelphia after the complaints of The Silence of the Lambs. “Look, it would be a drag if my movie won Best Picture and all these gay people were outside protesting the movie—that would be a big drag,” Tarantino says. “Well, it would probably be a bigger drag for Jodie Foster, but it would be a drag. And they were wrong when it came to The Silence of the Lambs, and part of being an artist and putting out your work is that sometimes people you would like to be on your side don’t get it. But you have to stand your ground and say ‘I wish I were on your side in this issue but I’m not and I think you’re wrong and I think it will be perceived as silliness as years go on.’” Tarantino doesn’t go negative on this—his optimism about the future of movies always surges forward full-force: “This is the best time to push buttons. This is the best time to get out there because now there actually is a genuine platform. And in this world where everybody lives with identity politics, you’re going to piss off a whole lot of people, and now your film has fervor. Now it’s being talked about.”

sorry i meant that as an xpost to morbs

What did he say about Ford

― polyphonic, Tuesday, November 3, 2015 1:27 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.filmcomment.com/article/intolerance-quentin-tarantino-john-ford/

(tarantino bragging ahistorically about his enlightened ally's contempt for john ford would be one thing but bragging about it to henry louis gates is some srsly advanced-level whiteness)

(i did laugh unhappily the other day when he said something about digital projectors being run by "billy who scoops your popcorn". hi.)

funny how the director of revenge fantasies sighs about identity politics and "I wish I were on your side in this issue."

Buffalo Bill, a serial killer who isn’t transsexual but believes himself to be.

is this ellis' own analysis

maybe the stock clueless psychiatrist explains about it after bragging about how rare it is to capture psychopaths alive

this can be quite a fun town if you have the right guide

Whatever ye do don't let's discuss the fuckin movie anyways

deems i love u fyi

Saw a screening last night. Loved this. Great casting all around, as usual per Tarantino films. Super dark thematically, no uncompromised heroes to really root for on this one (it's no Django), lots of mystery. In some ways it's like that basement scene in Basterds stretched out to three hours, extremely slow, very tense build up the entire way. Not everyone's gotta love a locked-room bloody Western/Agatha Christie mash-up, I think - expecting a worse reaction publicly than his last two films.

h8 quentin tarantino. can't wait to see this and hate it.

how come you've seen it Nhex? have there been any reviews yet? i haven't seen any of so.

i like the idea of 'slow Tarantino'!

In some ways it's like that basement scene in Basterds stretched out to three hours, extremely slow, very tense build up the entire way.

sounds like my ideal QT movie, hyped.

I think what you mean is the farmhouse slaughter in Once Upon a Time in the West stretched out to three unbearable hours

On a scale of 1-10, how excited are you when you get one of these wicked burns in on Tarantino?

"I think what you mean is the farmhouse slaughter in Once Upon a Time in the West stretched out to three unbearable hours"

Woo hoo!

embargo, shembargo

http://www.slashfilm.com/hateful-eight-early-buzz/

"Ridiculous 6 > Hateful 8" - Armond White, probably

how excited are you when you get one of these wicked burns in on Tarantino?

almost as much as when i have a great BM.

"boy-master"?

"Brooklyn" style Manhattan:

Brooklyn Cocktail
makes one drink

2 ounces whiskey (rye or blended)
1 ounce dry vermouth
dash of maraschino liqueur
dash of Amer Picon (A bitter, orange-flavored cordial. Torani Amer may also be substituted.)

Combine all ingredients in a cocktail shaker over ice. Shake and strain into a cocktail glass. Garnish with a lemon twist.

my shits > everything after Jackie Brown :D

even the ones w/out caramel corn in them

70mm shits?

Does twitter count for breaking embargoes?

Oh ok, that letter shows yes

BTW I would recommend avoiding any plot or character summaries, definitely the kind of movie that's better not knowing such things going in.

I can't imagine the colon that would shit caramel corn.

it's in boldface

Hell on earth to some - Tarantino and Bret Easton Ellis in two hours of conversation on BEE's podcast today.

it's a good conversation

@NickPinkerton
The Revenant and The Hateful Eight offer two sharply-contrasted concepts of cinema, both of them dull and reductive.

Who is Nick Pinkerton? Revenant does look pretty dull though.

Nick Pinkerton is a freelance journalist and film programmer. He has written about films for Sight & Sound, ArtForum, the Village Voice, Moving Image Source and Reverseshot.com, among other publications. He is currently a member of the New York Film Critics Circle.

He was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, lives in Brooklyn, NY, and has programmed at a variety of venues throughout the NYC area.

Is it so hard to imagine he's totally right?

Easy to imagine he's right for Nick Pinkerton.

Pinkerton's a good writer - his blog Bombast (now defunct) was smart and funny.

http://www.filmcomment.com/author/nick-pinkerton/

Yup, this one from about this time last year was a worthy sigh of contempt against Oscar-season biopic dross:

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/bombast-the-black-list/

These sorts of movies are popular for the same reason that fat tomes of historical fiction by the likes of James Clavell, James A. Michener, and Leon Uris used to be the only fiction that you’d find in houses otherwise devoid of books: there is a significant segment of the American public that thinks this business of making characters and stories up out of thin air is a little suspicious and possibly effeminate. Backers gravitate towards True Story film properties because, like superhero movies, franchise reboots, and genre work, they utilize recognizable icons and known quantities—though, unlike all of those examples, true-life stories of famous people triumphing over honest-to-God hardships are widely and erroneously considered to belong to a higher category of morally improving works.

Pinkerton was the other person who voted for Blackhat in the S&S poll, so I guess his idea of dull and reductive cinema differs from mine.

I guess so.

my favorite recent Pinkerton bit (from a column about Revolutionary War flicks and TV):

I watched John Adams some time after its original airing, because I was curious to see any screen depiction of a period in American history that has always seemed to me insanely overlooked by Hollywood, and because a friend told me: “You get to see John and Abigail Adams fuck in it.” It did deliver on this front, as well as offering several instances of framing shots from unlikely and disadvantageous angles, meant to lend the affair some immediacy though it plays as though the movie was shot by paparazzi nervous to get a glimpse of the Second Continental Congress.

lol

Hah Blackhat.

i still get excited about a new QT movie, but i bet this one will just play on over familiar QT-isms, i.e. bravura but hollow cinema (i know QT is allowed to repeat certain tics and tropes as hes an Auteur etc but *most* of his interesting recurring stuff is stylistic rather than thematic). and i bet revenant will feel weighty but dull, as that is basically innaritu in general these days (birdman felt like someone trying to show they have a light touch and humour, without ever convincing). obv i have no clue and nothing to go on but am just lazily trying to figure out why that writer might think these new films are dullsville. also anything that is a big money western these days usually ends up a bit oversized, epic, and the inadvertently bloated (and to ageing academy voters obv).

This was fucking endless, made doubly so by a decision to include a flashback (!) after a fifteen-minute intermission (!!). A couple of SLJ quips aside, the dialogue was flat, the performances nothing you haven't seen. And I hated especially the way it espouses vigilantism while paying lip service to justice.

and, yeah, the movie version of Murder on the Orient Express is a chore too.

i wouldn't be surprised if i wasn't into this, basically inglourious basterds was the only tarantino i've been 100% into post-jackie brown (kill bills are fun, death proof's first half is tight as hell and ends amazingly, second half is a drag till the chase, django was sloppy) and this one looks more akin to what i don't like abt him the more i see of it. i'll definitely give it a go, though.

Yeah, I'm so unenthused by new movies these days that I'm not gonna let any word of mouth kill one of the very few upcoming things I'm actually excited about seeing.

Skipping this one unless JJL somehow ends up nominated.

i tend to like tarantino's technical approach and his high points seem undeniable but the endings of both Django and Basterds were so spectacularly sadistically shitty and packed with self-indulgence that I'm a little shook to put myself in a theater with this. Like I don't wanna have to walk out if I hit a big enough speed bump; it will make me really angry and why put yourself in that position?

maybe if he steps away from race and ethnicity as his core sacred cow to make hamburger from I'll be more inured? dunno.

i basically don't watch violent movies with other humans

i do think the ending where you sit in a movie theater being entertained by the massacre of a bunch of people sitting in a movie theater being entertained by a massacre, and then brad pitt carves a swastika into your face, has something to recommend it, though neither i nor quentin tarantino are probably sure what

i tend to like tarantino's technical approach and his high points seem undeniable but the endings of both Django and Basterds were so spectacularly sadistically shitty and packed with self-indulgence that I'm a little shook to put myself in a theater with this.

Then you'll smack your lips at what he has in store for Jennifer Jason Leigh.

is the new one as infantile as the last (highly overrated) two?

Worse. The advance word gives the impression that it's a Jackie Brown-type gabfest, but so much of it is exposition (the guy still doesn't trust his camera).

ill prob still check it out though the last two made me feel pretty disgusting afterwards.

Can't wait its gonna be awesome obv

Then you'll smack your lips at what he has in store for Jennifer Jason Leigh.

you guys are making me worried

yeah, this one sounds emphatically not for you forks

no idea but surely her feet have to come into it at some point

I think an argument can be made that the only movie that doesn't indulge QT's foot fetish is his worst one, so I hope so

I loved Basterds & Django.

Basterds is his best so ppl disparaging here in comparison to his new one I am happy to write off but idk Django doesn't bode well for QT doin Westerns (and I agree his views on Ford make it seem like he doesn't actually get the genre)

the actors reminded me of the kids in Bugsy Malone

cool I love Bugsy Malone and am pissed it is not available on DVD

apparently Christoph Waltz, the world's smuggest actor, was unavailable so QT directs Tim Roth to twinkle with cuteness as much as possible. He wasn't even the worst offender though.

you don't even like Waltz? wow

only when spooning cream onto strudel.

Waltz is good in IB and that's about it imo

he's (mostly) effective in IB because he doesn't carry the movie.

"That's a bingo!" was p much only funny line in IB.

NYCers don't need to see this for 70mm, bcz

http://www.movingimage.us/visit/calendar/2015/12/27/detail/the-wild-bunch-in-70mm

never knew so many ppl thought IB was his best.

it's a weird ILX hivemind thing. have not encountered this in the real world

i have encountered it in the real world. from an ex-ILXor though.

I have encountered it in the real world from someone who is not, to my knowledge, an ILXor but possibly should be.

it goes - pulp fiction, jackie brown, reservoir dogs, kill bill 1/kill bill 2, death proof, django/inglorious.

I don't think its ILX Hivemind, didn't Pulp Fiction win the last poll? (which I actually think is his second worst after Django but whatever)

imdb rankings (so huge grain of salt obv but closest simulacrum of popular opinion i could think of) has pulp fiction his best, followed by django, reservoir dogs, basterds, and kill bill 1. those are the only ones in the top 250 movies of all time. all of them are ranked higher than notorious, as are the green mile, shutter island, and snatch.

i also have not seen the thing waltz does work outside of IB.

ah this was before IB I guess: Tarantino Poll

I thought there was another poll done afterwards but I don't see it

not that it's fun to watch a parade of people do this but: inglourious > jackie brown > kill bill > pulp fiction > death proof (liked this at the time but only seen it once cuz never wanted to sit through all the talking again i guess) > django. have never seen reservoir dogs lol

all of them are ranked higher than notorious, as are the green mile, shutter island, and snatch.

nicely curated

that's about my order too, with maybe JB and IB neck and neck because they're such different sorts of pleasure i don't wanna hafta choose

jackie brown his best, i'd watch kill bills and death proof again for the action (ok and rosario), could imagine watching basterds again if i came across it on cable as i was entertained but if i was choosing something i'd choose great escape or dirty dozen or hell is for heroes or kelly's heroes or or or etc first. pulp fiction i could imagine watching out of some weird impulse of nostalgia, plus travolta is great in it.

O but where to put Four Rooms?

JB > True Romance > RD > PF

I haven't seen anything he's done since Death Proof, which I hated.

that car chase though

actually i probably wouldn't watch death proof again as i can just pull up that scene on youtube

it goes - pulp fiction, jackie brown, reservoir dogs, kill bill 1/kill bill 2, death proof, django/inglorious.

― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:58 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Youd struggle to construct a list that made as little sense as this read in either direction

There isn't much else in IB besides the barn, strudel, and bar scenes. Someone gave me a Xmas copy several years ago and that's what I skip to.

wrong. the final theater sequence is incredible, that image of Laurent's dead face projected on the smoke in the theater is all-time.

no dmac that order is perfect

recapping a director's entire career in every new-film thread never gets old

There isn't much else in IB besides the barn, strudel, and bar scenes.

i mean, this is almost literally true

anyway none of those scenes have no no say it again but this time let me hear the music in it

More or less restaging the prom scene from Carrie is probably the best thing QT's ever done.

wrong. the final theater sequence is incredible, that image of Laurent's dead face projected on the smoke in the theater is all-time.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 9, 2015 1:22 PM (3 minutes ago)

loved it the first time, second time I couldn't disconnect it from the vigilantism. After TH8, IB looks like Merchant Ivory.

recapping a director's entire career in every new-film thread never gets old

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius),

It doesn't. That's what you're supposed to do when you watch a new movie.

tbf I am probably biased about being enamored of a movie where "the face of Jewish vengeance" = making a movie where Nazis are murdered in a movie theater, the reflexiveness/hall of mirrors aspect is v appealing to me.

I did laugh at Hitler giggling over every American shot.

Would also agree with that StillAdvance ranking, but I'd at least put IB ahead of Django instead of grouping them.

JB
PF
IB
dinner/brandy scene in Django
fuck the rest

I thought for a sec that meant brandy was in django unchained and I missed her

a Brandy and Monica dinner scene in Django would've been awesome

here is my ranking

jackie brown >>>>>>>>>>>>

and maybe shouts out to kill bill 2

That's what you're supposed to do when you watch a new movie.

Yeah, this is why critics never get anything done.

also almost no one but you has seen the fucking thing

recapping a director's entire career in every new-film thread never gets old

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius),

It doesn't. That's what you're supposed to do when you watch a new movie.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Because, as we all know, every film made is all about its director and unless you can place it correctly within the director's oeuvre you cannot enjoy watching it.

I really wish QT's career had tanked after JB and then he decided to spitefully spent his time directing for Justified instead

big fan of his ER episodes eh

he's sunk by writing his own scripts; the adolescent revenge morality is really embarrassing for a 52yo guy

sort of like his fashion sense

Wait till you hear his voice-over in this thing; he sounds like Edith Bunker.

QT does a voiceover? ew

does he say "...okay?" after everything

big fan of his ER episodes eh

I was thinking more for the Elmore Leonard-ness.

QT does a voiceover? ew

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:24 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

that has instantly sunk any slim hope I had for this to be good

It's only for the flashback. But the flashback is like drinking rat poison.

he has a thing for unnecessary voiceovers. Sam Jackson's in IB is maybe the worst thing in the whole film.

sam jackson should have narrated vicky cristina barcelona

The Wings of the Dove

Blue

can't wait for this shitbird to die

Yeah, this is why critics never get anything done.

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, December 9, 2015 11:18 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

digging this remark's ambiguous leninism

what new worlds might we build if we didn't have to re-collate the films of quentin tarantino so often

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/movies/best-movies-2015.html?_r=0

19. Going, Going, Almost Gone Quentin Tarantino shot his latest, “The Hateful Eight,” in 70 millimeter, and the film is slated to play in almost 100 theaters that, like most of rooms across the country, now usually use digital projection. Whatever you think of Mr. Tarantino, try to catch “The Hateful Eight” on film so you can see for yourself how the industry-enforced switch to digital has radically changed movies.

Or see it for the woman-beating, man-raping hilarity.

three hours and ten minutes plus intermission is a generous allotment fora 70 millimeter experiment

Also: no idea Paul Dano is campaigning for supporting actor. He and Cusack are the goddamn leads.

@keithuhlich
Reminded at FIRE WALK WITH ME screening about Tarantino's "disappeared so far up his own ass" comment regarding Lynch, which…LOL currently.

What a terrifically poorly composed sentimemt

the variety says the script is loaded with the n-word, which seems like QT still doesnt really know much about period films.

Reminded at FIRE WALK WITH ME screening about Tarantino's "disappeared so far up his own ass" comment regarding Lynch, which…LOL currently.

an apposite metaphor considering the story that the Samuel L. Jackson character shares.

is it about a watch?

Better.

A grandfather clock.

Is the 70mm roadshow supposed to extend past 1/1? I'm going to be in Atlanta in mid-January and might try to catch it there if it is.

Seriously debating a trip to Toronto during the (already hectic) holidays to catch this. The wide (non-roadshow) version is pushed back until January something, when I'll probably be too busy with a new semester to see it anyway.

You guys should bring a movie to watch with you.

We're probably going to go to the roadshow screening here in Sac on Christmas Day

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantinos-hateful-eight-70mm-849552

This looks like it's from a song from Paint Your Wagon:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/675x380/2015/11/th8-ac-00027_lg_-_h_2015.jpg

Also got tickets for the xmas road show.

Quentin Tarantino’s bloody, bloated ensemble western is about as much fun as watching snow melt.

http://lwlies.com/reviews/the-hateful-eight/

have to say, after all the 70mm fuss, it does seem weird to read in a few reviews now how much of it is set indoors. do you really need those old wide lenses for that kind of film?

This was great obv

is it out in ireland yet?

I totally watched it legally totally

Real eased in Ireland on Jan 6th

have to say, after all the 70mm fuss, it does seem weird to read in a few reviews now how much of it is set indoors. do you really need those old wide lenses for that kind of film?

Reminiscent of the two-character one-room Panavision Depardieu/Polanski Una pura formalità:

http://www.crime-mystery.info/mysterymovies/a_pure_formality-1994.jpg

this pile of cack (along with The Revenant) leaked onto the torrent sitez days ago.

"You guys should bring a movie to watch with you."

lol Alfred otm

It's weird to me that the two most recent omg 70mm movies as of late have been this (apparently people in a room) and "The Master" (iirc a bunch of close-ups).

God this thing was interminable. Felt like a lesser Alex Cox like "Straight To Hell" with a bigger budget and therefore nicer lenses. Worst Tarantino for me.

Dear God, 3 hours. There must be an intermission?

God this thing was interminable. Felt like a lesser Alex Cox like "Straight To Hell" with a bigger budget and therefore nicer lenses. Worst Tarantino for me.

― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee),

it's not even close

When's the last time you saw "Straight To Hell", Alfred? Because it's pretty awful. ( rewatched about a month ago )

I own Straight to Hell on DVD and like it a lot. I'm not going near this shit-mountain.

Oh, Armond.

i wonder how many other crix have picked up on 'joe gage'?

and how many critics have picked up a 'Joe Gage'?

Man, I love westerns and like Tarantino a lot, but I've got a bad feeling about this based on various reactions (pro and con). I thought Django was his worst by far and Inglorious one of his best, though, so where does that set me up for the new one?

going to grab Chinese food instead

Going to be eating some Feast of the Seven Fishes thing when it opens, then heading to a part of Mexico with no movie theatre. I think that trumps Tarantino for sure. By the time I get back the world will have moved on.

It's weird to me that the two most recent omg 70mm movies as of late have been this (apparently people in a room) and "The Master" (iirc a bunch of close-ups).

Well, PTA didn't use the full 2.21:1 aspect ratio of the 70mm film, he masked it to 1.85, and he didn't use the Ultra Panavision approach of QT for The Hateful Eight, which is to employ anamorphic lenses to achieve 2.78. So all the benefits of 70mm for The Master were in shallow depth of field and high resolution.

I had expected 2001 in 70mm to be ultra-wide when I saw it a few months ago but, no - it's flat 2.21. The 35mm release was actually wider - 2.35 - with part of the image cut off at top and bottom.