Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

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The poll closing date is the Ant-Man film's premiere date, 10 weeks after Avengers 2, the beginning of Phase 3.

Anticipation threads for individual movies will happen as they always do, but it seems reasonable to have a catch-all thread for the MCU.

Stan Lee cameos: threat or menace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

discuss, et cetera

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Classic 69
Dud 63


WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Going to see Captain America 2 tonight - I caught the first one on Netflix and it was way better than I expected.

Avengers was a lot of fun in the theater, but I haven't watched it again. Not sure it would hold up at home.

Not a big fan of the Iron Man movies - RDJ's charisma is outweighed by every other element being dull.

Classic just for doing better than the non-MCU properties and waaaaaaaay better than DC.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:45 (five years ago) Permalink

It's quite a thing, spending hundreds of millions to make billions, and basing it all on superhero comics and boomer nostalgia. But they've managed to produce some reasonably good action films so far. My bias is based on Marvel Zombie status dating to 1972, but I try to be clear-eyed with dissenting views.

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:51 (five years ago) Permalink

Dud, both for the passable-at-best movies and for the concept itself.

Simon H., Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

I guess the nostalgia is not limited to boomers, though. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

The current crop are pretty classic (though classic seems too strong, tbh). I like the way the serialized, cross-property roll-out parallels the comics. Lots of titles, different takes on familiar characters, largely fun and competent, not totally stupid, thus far really well cast.

I also like the first two Singer X-Men movies a lot, or at least did at the time. Wish those and the FF were part of the official family. But Spider-man, I've got no problem letting him dangle.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

just inoffensive and mediocre enough to be broadly popular

Popture, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Rebooting Spider-man so soon after the other trilogy is easily the worst thing about this.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:17 (five years ago) Permalink

Spider-Man isn't part of the MCU.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:18 (five years ago) Permalink

I thought that was a Marvel comic.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Ah, rtfa, gotcha.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:22 (five years ago) Permalink

It is, but the MCU refers specifically to the properties controlled by Marvel Studios. Sony has movie rights to Spider-Man and Fox has the rights to X-Men stuff. It's kinda convoluted. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:23 (five years ago) Permalink

This sums things up quite nicely
http://jonnegroni.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/dnxshsd.png?w=700&h=560p

tsrobodo, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:35 (five years ago) Permalink

But also worth noting that the previous Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil movies and Ang Lee's Hulk don't count. A situation so convoluted it could've only been whipped up by people in the mainstream comics industry.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:59 (five years ago) Permalink

Milo summation otm

recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 7 April 2014 00:51 (five years ago) Permalink

Good luck making a megafranchise out of Namor and Man-Thing, Universal and Lionsgate!

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:14 (five years ago) Permalink

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

Certainly, not all of them are great or even particularly good in some cases - I don't need to see Hulk, Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 again - but to me they all seem to have a level of affection for and understanding of the characters which in itself is actually pretty unusual for comic-book movies. Man of Steel is probably the worst example of this - everyone involved seemed actively embarrassed to be making movie about Superman - but there are plenty of others, like Bruce Wayne just straight-up giving up on being Batman for years in TDKR or Sandman turning out to be Uncle Ben's killer in Spider-Man 3.

If I was 12 years old now, I'd be thrilled that every six months I could go to the movies and see an excitingly-realised, generally faithful representation of the comics I loved on the screen. At 33, I enjoy them as fun action movies with an unusually ambitious shared-world underpinning which are for the most part way more coherent than other giant summer pictures.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:37 (five years ago) Permalink

In a interview with Total Film, Iron Man 3 co-writer and All Hail the King writer-director Drew Pearce mentioned seeing Damage Control as a possible Marvel One-Shot film.

If this actually happened it would make the whole enterprise worthwhile regardless of any other concerns imo

soref, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:52 (five years ago) Permalink

I've enjoyed most of the MCU movies, and I agree that the heroes have mostly been perfectly cast... But like I said in the Winter Soldier thread, I think probably the biggest flaw in these movies is that the villains have mostly been rather bland. It seems that the MCU has followed the lead of the Nolan Batman movies in that they try to make the villains "realistic" and gritty, i.e. that their origins are explained by "science", there's no magic or cosmic powers etc involved, they don't wear funky villains costumes, they don't have over-the-top despotic personalities, and so on... But this means the villains have mostly been corrupt businessmen or politicians, tough dudes in armor and/or with cybernetic parts, or (like Batroc in the new Cap movie) just your regular action movie thugs with some special martial arts moves, all of which are pretty boring. So while they've managed to turn memorable comic book heroes into memorable movie characters, the same hasn't really happened with the villains.

The biggest exception to the above is Loki, who benefits from the fact that Thor's setting is not "realistic" in any way, so they couldreally make him larger than life, No wonder they had Loki as the main antagonist in the Avengers movie (yeah, I know, he was the first Avengers villain in the comics too, but no one forced them to follow that pattern), since he's pretty much the only true & memorable supervillain they've done so far. But hopefully this'll change with upcoming Guardians and Dr. Strange movies, and when Ultron and Thanos turn up in Avengers... There's no way you could make those villains "realistic", so I hope they won't even try.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:39 (five years ago) Permalink

So far generally more towards the classic side, though I fear diminishing returns may set in soon unless they find some way of upping the already pretty massive stakes*. I like the ambition of having a network of narratively connected mega-budget films, it's something that has never been done before at all (unless you buy into the Unified Theory of Pixar, ha).

And I echo the point made above that pre-teen me would have loved the shit out of this, which is a fair indication they've been doing their job.

*I think a major character's death would help with this, but would they dare?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:44 (five years ago) Permalink

An interesting poll might be the MCU vs the Dark Knight trilogy. Had a long and repetitive debate in the pub on Friday about just that.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:46 (five years ago) Permalink

xp I'm pretty certain they'll kill Chris Evans and replace him as Captain America with Sebastian Stan. It's already laid out clearly in the comics and Evans is only signed up for six movies, which will be up after the next Cap / Avengers movies.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:47 (five years ago) Permalink

I guess that's possible... It was interesting that they didn't really resolve Bucky's plot arc in any way in the new Cap movie, so it seems they definitely have some future plans for him.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Well, Sebastian Stan's signed up for nine movies and he's only been in two, so...

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Bucky's a way more interesting character than Cap, so I think it would do the MCU good to replace him in a few years - how much more mileage could they really wring out of Evans's essential goodness after two more movies?

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:57 (five years ago) Permalink

Though if they kill anyone, I think it'll be Tony Stark. Downey it already starting to feel a bit old for the role, and I don't think he has too many movies left in his contract either? Plus there's comic book precedent too for another dude replacing him inside the armor, and that other dude is already a major supporting character in the movies. (The only problem with this is that they cast Don Cheadle as Rhodey, and he's as old as Downey is.)

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:59 (five years ago) Permalink

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:02 (five years ago) Permalink

I think the Downey Problem is going to be make-or-break for the whole enterprise. The MCU is basically built on his charisma - if the first Iron Man had failed they would have been fucked for real. Downey's said he knows he can't (and doesn't want to) play Tony forever, and I think they'll have to recast Stark rather than replace him as Iron Man, at least in the long term. I don't think they'll kill him, but I'll be interested to see how they get around the inevitable problem of actors moving on for one reason or another. They're really in uncharted waters here - there's never been an interrelated movie universe where beloved actors will have to be replaced eventually.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:04 (five years ago) Permalink

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

I dunno, he's still 10 to 20 years older than the other actors, except for Ruffalo... And with Hulk the guy playing isn't as important, they've already changed him twice.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:08 (five years ago) Permalink

"with Hulk the guy playing Banner"

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:09 (five years ago) Permalink

First Iron Man movie was good. Strong story and clever lines. Everything else I've seen has been middling. I do like that they got Kenneth Branagh to do the first Thor movie -- that was a clever choice.

qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:12 (five years ago) Permalink

Tuomas mostly OTM upthread about the MCU villains so far. I don't think the issue is so much that they've tried to 'grittify' them, though, so much as the rogue's galleries of the heroes who've starred in movies so far just aren't very deep or exciting or Marvel don't own the rights to best of them. Like, an Iron Man vs Doctor Doom movie could be aces but will never happen if Fox have any say in the matter. Whiplash just isn't on the same level.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (five years ago) Permalink

I think Avengers is the best so far, as it should've been.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (five years ago) Permalink

True, but they haven't really done a good job with the rogues galleries' they do have available either... Like, the Mandarin thing in Iron Man 3 was a clever plot twist, but that just meant the real bad guy was yet another corrupt business type. (Obviously they couldn't use the comic book Mandarin as he was originally conceiced, since he's a Fu Manchu style racist stereotype, but they could've made him into a R'as al Ghul style righteous terrorist or something, and make him have actual superpowers.) And one of the reasons Thor 2 was worse than Thor 1 is because they Malekith into a totally generic baddie, even though the comic book Malekith is a cool villain (a gende-bending shapeshifter elf), and they even had a good actor playing him. That was a total waste of what could've been a potentially great villain.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:47 (five years ago) Permalink

There was a lot of talk around the release of Thor 2 that Malekith had suffered at the expense of reshoots which expanded Loki's role in response to universal admiration for Hiddleston. They definitely did a terrible job with Malekith and Kurse; I wonder if they were less dull in the original plan for the movie.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I still passionately read massive amounts of comics as a 33+-year-old [I spent $770 just on posting comics home to myself in two months in the US last year] and the Marvel comic-book universe can eat my balls. What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:59 (five years ago) Permalink

Plus, if they don't want to limit themselves to "canonical Iron Man villains" or "canonical Cap villains", there's a whole bunch of cool Avengers they could use: Kang the Conqueror! Count Nefaria! Masters of Evil! Korvac! The Absorbing Man And Titania! It definitely seems to be like they've decidedly used the more "realistic" villains, and left out the ones with more fantastic powers and larger-than-life personalities.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Def. pisses me off that Stan Lee gets a cameo in the new Cap America movie, a character he had nothing to do w/ creating

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:03 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't think Kirby or Simon were available

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:08 (five years ago) Permalink

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Ah, this debate again.

Anyway, Loki def. the only villain with presence thus far in these films. Which is odd, because I think they did a good job with the Spider-man villains so far (at least with the Raimi ones), and X-Men villains. Maybe it's just a matter of casting the right actor? Like, Red Skull is a great villain, but maybe Hugo Weaving was not the best choice? But then, Iron Man has faced nothing but generic baddies so far, actors be damned. Didn't Thor fight a giant robot in the first movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:11 (five years ago) Permalink

What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:12 (five years ago) Permalink

There's a rumour that Gerry Conway is banned from the premiere of the new Spider-man film, despite it apparently being based on one of his most famous issues.

(Google suggests this might now be resolved after the director took the issue to Sony.)

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:38 (five years ago) Permalink

I've enjoyed at least a third of these movies.

So, dud.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 12:45 (five years ago) Permalink

A third of each movie, or a third of the movies total?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:18 (five years ago) Permalink

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

I won't see them for this reason, so I don't have any view at all on their quality.

(Liked the first Iron Man on a cheap matinee, second one was far less good, wasn't interested in Thor or Hulk 2, wasn't interested in Cap 1 and Marvel getting a summary judgment against the Kirby heirs in the week of release made me go "eeesh, I can't pay for any of these that I might be interested in in the future." Mantlo's brother specifically asking people with financial qualms to go see Guardians Of The Galaxy means I might, but my reason for interest is Pratt and Gunn. Maaaaybe I'd watch Avengers on TV, but I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as Cabin In The Woods or Much Ado.) [I'd have been curious about watching maybe half an hour of Winter Soldier to see how the Russos' style might translate to an action film.]

― bizarro gazzara, Monday, April 7, 2014 10:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

I'm not interested in Star Trek Into Darkness either!

Anyway, no: the creators of most of the Marvel characters were specifically promised financial participation that they were never given; if Meyer doesn't get residuals from home video sales and TV broadcasts of Wrath Of Khan, it's because he specifically agreed to forgo them in whatever arbitration took place over his credit; under Levitz, creators who'd had story elements inspire aspects of DC movie plots quietly got appreciation cheques [this has ended under Nelson, obviously]; George Lucas got lots of the money from at least five out of six Star Wars movies; J.K. Rowling earns about $400 million a year from Harry Potter.

People being fucked over wrt media properties doesn't have to be a rule: every time someone is, it's because other people have made an active decision to do so.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:47 (five years ago) Permalink

I read an interview with Brubaker where he was like "it's great that this is the first time Marvel have made a movie where there's a book with the same name as it out there so hopefully I'll get some more royalties". It seems crazy that he won't see any money directly

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:51 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean, I was mainly saying comic books /= Marvel.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:52 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost - Brubaker only gets domestic royalties at all because he's currently signed exclusively to Marvel. They don't pay them as a matter of course, and IIRC haven't paid foreign royalties since the 1980s.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Meyer didn't create Khan, of course (character pre-exists the Wrath of Khan)

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:57 (five years ago) Permalink

sic, do you read Marvel comics?

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:00 (five years ago) Permalink

With all the talking Feige does about the decades worth of stories they have to draw on, the original comics being the perfect storyboards etc. you'd think he's find a way to get the original creators some cash (even just an appreciation cheque)

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:01 (five years ago) Permalink

I've seen Iron Man and The Avengers, didn't really see the fun in either. I'm fine with dumb action if it's done with a bit of style. These movies have huge visual effects but never anything really cool going on style-wise.

jmm, Monday, 7 April 2014 15:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Stan Lee cameos are horrible

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 7 April 2014 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

the loudest manifestation of mass-culture lobotomy

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 April 2014 15:44 (five years ago) Permalink

sic, do you read Marvel comics?

I've read Marvel comics.

But in North America last year I bought comics by Oily Comics and Yam Books and Desert Island and USS Catastrophe and Traditional Comics and Study Group Comics and Retrofit and Picturebox and Drippy Bone Books and Floating World and Paper Rocket and Mille Putois and Drawn & Quarterly and Fantagraphics and Adhouse Books and Alternative and Knockabout and Tundra and Last Gasp and The Overlook Press and Escape and Aardvark-Vanaheim and Bergen Street Comics and A Fine Line Press and Blank Slate and Eat More Bikes and Copra Press and Buenaventura Press and Pigeon Press and Look Mom, Comics and Space Face Books and Revival House Press and Koyama Press and Fontanelle Press and Jackie No-Name Books and Matrix Graphic Series and Igloo Tornado and Perfect Day Publishing and Tugboat Press and Hic & Hoc and Cartozia Press and Art & Soul Comics and Hidden Fortress Press and Catastrophe Comics Group and Hotel Fred Press and Robin Bougie and World Protector and New Reliable Press and Red Ink and Secret Prism and Kilgore Books and Thuban Press and Iamwar Pubs and Breakdown Press and Rotland Press and Sequential Artists Workshop and Wishbone Studio and Penguin Books and Marlowe & Company and Harper Collins and Coach House Books and Henry Holt & Co., and five by Marvel (four early-90s reprints of 1964-1972 Doctor Who comics, and a Paul Tobin quarter-bin back issue [it was bad].)

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 15:47 (five years ago) Permalink

Cool, thanks for the clarification.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 15:50 (five years ago) Permalink

classic. these have definitely contributed to the high standard of children's movies we're currently experiencing.

twistent consistent (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 April 2014 15:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Stan Lee cameos are horrible

Topped only by the most unworthily self-congratulatory rounds of applause to be endured anywhere.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 16:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Happily, Stan Lee will be 105 in 2028.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 16:16 (five years ago) Permalink

DC really needs some Funky Flashman cameos to mock them

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 7 April 2014 16:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Noah was better than all the DC comic movies but worse than all the Avenger Marvel comic movies but about the same as the X-Men/Skateboard Spider-Man Marvel movies.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 7 April 2014 16:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Dr Morbius, I don't suppose you named yourself after Morbius The Living Vampire? He was a doctor before he was a vampire. I think the comics code insisted on "living vampire" because a regular vampire was deemed too scary for children.

I lean very far towards DUD, for the reasons Charles Hatless (who I'm assuming is Charles Hatfield)and others listed.

I very much agree with Jmm that superhero films are visually lacking in the extreme. I like Sam Raimi but I thought that was the main glaring flaw of his Spiderman films. I think Del Toro's Hellboy films and some stuff in the Burton Batman films are the only exceptions I can think of.

I'll admit that a lot of the reasons I dislike these films are not really to do with the film's themselves. I hate that they are motivated mainly by IP farming and that you can't really escape the franchises. Adverts when I turn on my kindle or go into my email inbox. Products in the supermarket. Seeing litter of sweet wrappers and wet discarded socks with Spiderman on them is horrible. As if James Bond and Star Wars weren't enough. How did Lord Of The Rings turn into a merchandise powerhouse? I thought the Tolkien family controlled everything and hated that stuff?
I do think of that story of Kirby turning pale at the mention of going to a toy shop, but I mainly just hate how inescapable all this stuff is.

I was kind of interested when I heard the possibility of Del Toro doing Dr Strange and Kirby's Demon but I don't think those are happening for him anymore. I'm glad Mountains Of Madness never happened. Joe Pulver said he'd like to do a Dr Strange book and that sounds interesting too but I'd rather he just did his own thing.

Isolating the films: I liked Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker, Devito as Penguin, Nicholson as Joker, Ledger as Joker (my fave is still Bruce Timm/Mark Hamill Joker), Hardy's Bane, Dallas as Fandral The Dashing; but I don't like the film's all that much aside from moments here and there. Although I'd say Nolan's Batman and Raimi's first two Spiderman films are pretty good.

There is a problem with supervillains, in making them believable. There has been a fair number of costumed vigilantes in real life but costumed criminals I've never heard of apart from rapists in Malaysia who dress as the oily orange man of their folklore.

One thing that bothers me about the general approach to superheroes today is that it seems like it's all motivated by fanboys in denial about superheroes being silly(not necessarily a bad quality). Superman and Captain America have been made increasingly about certain concepts because people have trouble reconciling that they are historically important to the genre but not very interesting characters.
Fanboy says "oh my God it's so serious, iconic, relevant. This new event where loads of characters die and get raped is so fucking serious, it'll change everything forever! These heroes are so iconic, I need lots of statues and collectables to try and convince myself I haven't been wasting my time; these hardback collections aren't obscenely priced at all, these are important iconic modern myths. There's nothing wrong with Stan Lee's writing, people used to talk like that and state the obvious repeatedly. Blah blah blah iconic blah blah blah serious blah blah iconic super relevant modern myths that say so much about our times, blah blah blah iconic iconic iconic".

Bloody comic fandom overrun with an equivalent of rockists a hundred times worse than in music fandom. I weep and yearn for a day when I can be excited by comics industry again.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Richard Nixon in Days of Future Past might be the breakout villain everyone was hoping for.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:57 (five years ago) Permalink

the enterprise is notable for its audacity and scale, but in general I don't really care. I've seen a handful and they were okay, nothing I would really want to watch more than once.

sic otm in general

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 18:48 (five years ago) Permalink

If they made an Adam Warlock movie, then I might go full fanboy.

jmm, Monday, 7 April 2014 19:00 (five years ago) Permalink

It would take an uncommonly stylish Creeper, Silver Surfer, Namor, Ghost Rider, Man-Thing or Dr Strange film for me to get excited. That old Catwoman script with her fighting superheroes in a beach town sounded fun but also like a negative parody of superheroes which DC probably wouldn't appreciate. Maybe Swamp Thing, Sandman, Metamorpho, Shade The Changing Man.

Maybe great films based on DC and Marvel stuff would annoy me more because I'd rather talented people focus on new ideas.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 19:24 (five years ago) Permalink

dunno if this is still happening but it could be cool

Rumors in November 2012 suggested that Guillermo del Toro was working on a Justice League Dark film titled Heaven Sent. It would feature Deadman, the Spectre, Swamp Thing, Constantine, the Phantom Stranger, Zatanna, Zatara, Sargon the Sorcerer, and Etrigan the Demon.[28] Del Toro later confirmed in January 2013 that he is working on such a movie, with the working title, Dark Universe, and is hiring a screenwriter for the film. Del Toro revealed Swamp Thing, Constantine, The Spectre, Deadman, Zatanna and Zatara were characters in the story.

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 19:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I heard about that a couple of years ago and it does sound quite exciting (damn them) but I assumed it was just another thing heaped on the pile of things he's optioned but will never do. I'm genuinely worried he'll end up doing far more adaptations and remakes than original films (looking forward to Crimson Peak), but of all the adaptations/remakes, Dan Simmons' Drood sounds the most promising. He seems to have his heart set firmly on Frankenstein but I just can't get excited about that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 19:58 (five years ago) Permalink

I do think that all the fan-service crap Marvel is beholden to really constrains and limits what's possible with this material.

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:00 (five years ago) Permalink

What would be possible otherwise?

Nhex, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:02 (five years ago) Permalink

I know, can't bite the hand that feeds

but it's not really that hard to imagine alternatives is it? keeping everything tied into a single continuity unique or unusual takes on characters

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Another thing that would revert me to geekish excitement is a film starring Fin Fang Foom, Groot, Gargantus, Grogg, Rommbu, Gorgolla, Goom, Orrgo, Shagg, Scarecrow etc.

It'd be extremely unlikely but if it did happen there'd be no excuse for no money to Kirby's family. Because those monsters are about as Kirby as it gets.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:10 (five years ago) Permalink

DC should make a Fourth World film and pay the Kirby estate, just to fuck with Marvel (also it would rule).

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:12 (five years ago) Permalink

xp I seriously do wonder, though. I feel like the shared universe is actually giving us more opportunities to see stuff like Ant-Man or Guardians of the Galaxy that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Whether they'll be good, I don't know, but they can't be worse than Elektra or Ghost Rider at their general competence level now.

I can see what you mean if there was something floating around like an adaptation of more serious/non-superhero stuff like Preacher, Y: The Last Man, Sandman, and so on, but nothing is coming to mind in the MU (lol thanks for reminding me of Howard the Duck - I had no idea it was even a Marvel comic for years after the fact).

Nhex, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:14 (five years ago) Permalink

aldo: Are DC and Kirby's estate on good terms? I wonder if the family was paid for their use in (for example) the various DCAU series

Nhex, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:15 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd say Marvel, quite justifiably, doesn't care what hardcore comics fans want to see tbh. They can't make blockbuster money off the 5,000 people who buy a non-X/Spider-Man/Avengers-related graphic novel.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:17 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah these films are consistent if nothing else

at the same time, wouldn't it be cool if there was room for non-continuity pitches, like, say a heist movie starring MU supervillains

xp

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:17 (five years ago) Permalink

Are DC and Kirby's estate on good terms? I wonder if the family was paid for their use in (for example) the various DCAU series

they're definitely on better terms than Marvel and the Kirby estate (but I'll defer to the more knowledgable sic here)

one of those DCAU episodes was dedicated to Jack fwiw

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:18 (five years ago) Permalink

and they clearly (affectionately) modeled Dan Turpin after him in the Superman TAS. man that was a great show.

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Marvel will put the mid-tier and oddball stuff in TV pitches.

Every month is a new single-character series from Marvel (I'm getting in 50 copies of the All-New Doop series tomorrow, pretty sure I over-ordered), in part I'd guess it's orders from Disney/Marvel Studios to test the waters.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Not sure about Kirby in particular, but DC aren't any better in general as Al Plastino's recent death showed.

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:23 (five years ago) Permalink

There's a Doop series now? Wow.

Nhex, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Thor IV: Thor Is Not Dead
Thor V: Asgard Is for Real

MV, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:25 (five years ago) Permalink

I was thinking about this earlier, how it's a small miracle that by and large these movies are not terrible. Things they have to contend with:

1) decades of comic stories/mythology/continuity
2) several interlocking films and their shared mythology/continuity
3) The devil's bargain that is Hollywood blockbuster filmmaking
4) the prospect of several more films continuing plots/characters set in motion
5) A hunk of major characters owned or permanently leased or however it works to other studios
6) Hyper-nerd, detail-minded fans who, who knows, maybe could kill one of these movies, if they could resist.

That's a lot of juggling to do, a lot of constraints. The addition of Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch to the next Avengers as (maybe? likely?) non-mutants in a world without Magneto and/or mutants, might be the biggest muddling yet to the canon, which ironically, in the name of convenience, could make things even more convoluted.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Is there really a Doop series in the making, or was that a joke? Because I would so watch it, especially if all of his lines were incomprehensible.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:36 (five years ago) Permalink

Marvel wouldn't have the rights to Doop anyway seeing as he's a mutant

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Speaking of Howard The Duck, there is quite a few screen DC and Marvel properties that nobody talks about anymore... Nick Fury (Hasselhoff), 90s Fantastic Four (I think this was filmed without the creators knowing it was never going to be released but I'm sure it was eventually released), an old cheap Dr Strange film, 70s Spiderman, Japanese Spiderman, Supergirl, Swamp Thing on tv and film, Man-Thing, I'm sure there is more (animation doesn't count)

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Those all take place in different, stand-alone universes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:41 (five years ago) Permalink

The addition of Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch to the next Avengers as (maybe? likely?) non-mutants in a world without Magneto and/or mutants, might be the biggest muddling yet to the canon

IIRC Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being mutants wasn't really a big thing for years after they debuted in The Avengers comic. This was before mutants became a hot commodity, so they weren't really connected to the X-Men, and even the fact that Magneto was their father was retcon that happened years after their introduction. I'd say even today they're still considered to be more "Avengers characters" than "mutant characters".

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:43 (five years ago) Permalink

That's true, the Magneto reveal came later. Though of course Quicksilver is in the new X-Men movie, one assumes as a mutant.

Seriously, though, that's something I like about these things. All these characters have been drawn and written so many different people, over the years, in different ways, different titles, through different storylines, that it's kind of neat to see the movies approach them in a similarly constantly reinventing manner.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Also, the stinger at the end of Winter Soldier seemed to hint that in the movie universe they were genetically engineered by HYDRA, i.e. not the same sort of mutants as the X-Men.

(xpost)

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:47 (five years ago) Permalink

I think that sometimes giving the hard-core fans what they want is often a terrible idea. You'd maybe get what is sometimes referred to as "jacking off over a longbox" (continuity fetishism). That has to be my favourite comics term I've heard. Another is "Swamp Thing envy" (people trying to redefine a character in a major way that doesn't just stop at fresh reinvention).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:48 (five years ago) Permalink

If one has to do these characters, I think reinvention is the best way to go but what "Swamp Thing envy" criticizes is calculated attempts at making the new interpretation becoming the dominant version or something looked on as an important version.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

And to be honest, Scarlet Witch has one of the least feasibly "mutant" powers in the Marvel comics... It was her mutated genes that made he a magician?

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

It was only topped by Longshot's power: it was his genetical mutation that allowed him to always have luck on his side... Because that's what genes do.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Is there really a Doop series in the making, or was that a joke? Because I would so watch it, especially if all of his lines were incomprehensible.

There's a Doop comic that debuts tomorrow. I'm just saying that after Hawkeye became a surprise hit (though it's cooled a touch), Marvel has been pumping out new single-character series and I imagine that's partially to find out which could be successful on Netflix/etc.

In the past couple of months:
Black Widow
She-Hulk
Ghost Rider
Silver Surfer
Ms. Marvel (doesn't really count in the same way, I guess)
Iron Patriot
Punisher

Upcoming:
Elektra
Daredevil
Hulk

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 7 April 2014 21:22 (five years ago) Permalink

It was only topped by Longshot's power: it was his genetical mutation that allowed him to always have luck on his side... Because that's what genes do.

― Tuomas, Monday, April 7, 2014 3:54 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IRL, only the papercut of of a radioactive playing card.

MV, Monday, 7 April 2014 21:30 (five years ago) Permalink

re: kirby i read somewhere that the dolph lundgren he-man movie was a tribute to 4th world

Philip Nunez, Monday, 7 April 2014 21:34 (five years ago) Permalink

I loved Howard the Duck when I was a kid, and saw it again much later and thought it was hilarious and awesome. I don't really understand the hate, it is quite possibly a better movie than Return of the Jedi.

The He-Man movie was great fun, but had pretty much NOTHING to do w the cartoon/toys and pretty much killed He-Man for me. It was a super entertaining late-era Star Wars ripoff tho.

Really looking forward to Dr. Strange. I loved the Avengers, but two of the members were basically just every day normal human spies. Give me more cosmic stuff and I'll be there (the military stuff in Iron Man and Captain America kinda keep me away from those movies).

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 04:38 (five years ago) Permalink

in the new film about Jodorowsky's Dune, they make a quick (but convincing) argument that mobius' work on that failed film informed the look and feel of Masters of the Universe

I made a grave mistake with my balloon at the end (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 04:59 (five years ago) Permalink

I weep and yearn for a day when I can be excited by comics industry again.

You can’t get excited by an industry including Self Made Hero and Blank Slate and Nobrow and Oily and Retrofit and D&Q and Fanta and March and Hyperbole And A Half (never mind the printing quality, feel the bookstore penetration) and Study Group and Stephenson’s Image, and Dark Horse supporting full-colour Evan Dorkin and reviving Shaolin Cowboy, and Humanoids and Dunbier and Copra and Koyama and Floating World and Desert Island and TCAF and SPX and Thought Bubble and Octopus Pie and Smut Peddler and the Inkstuds tour and only four months since Picturebox published?

Are DC and Kirby's estate on good terms?

cf my Diane Nelson ref

Charles, hatless (sic), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 05:56 (five years ago) Permalink

um, what?

Nhex, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 05:59 (five years ago) Permalink

I get you. Didn't know that, though I had heard that about Levitz.

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 06:46 (five years ago) Permalink

There is certainly good stuff being published but I'm extremely jaded and fickle about comics but I don't think my relatively narrow taste is the problem. The fact that Fantagraphics were recently in trouble was some of the worst news ever. In recent years I did get into some great stuff (Frantisek Skala, Jeremy Bastian, Kentaro Miura, Carlos Nine, Dave Cooper, Patrick McEown, Jonny Negron, Nicolas Dr Crecy) but nothing has really blown me away in all aspects, in a long time. Always something good and interesting but rarely anything to get giddy about in the way that books, music, film and tv have several things a year to salivate over; the best you can usually hope for is some interesting drawings. Maybe if you can speak several languages and go around the world buying.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Really looking forward to Dr. Strange. I loved the Avengers, but two of the members were basically just every day normal human spies. Give me more cosmic stuff and I'll be there (the military stuff in Iron Man and Captain America kinda keep me away from those movies).

Joss Whedon has said this is one reason he wanted Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, because he realized the Avengers were dominated by "punchy powers."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:39 (five years ago) Permalink

That sounds good! One of the worst recent trends in superhero comics is the "superheroes act like soldiers/cops" macho vibe spearheaded by Bendis, and this seems to have bled into the movies as well. If I want to watch cops I'll watch a regular cop show, superhero stories should have cosmic shenanigans and weirdo characters.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 06:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Well Classic or Dud they making bank
http://www.slashfilm.com/marvel-cinematic-universe-box-office/

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 23:19 (five years ago) Permalink

classic all around. best thing to happen to movies since wes anderson.

son of cochise, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 23:23 (five years ago) Permalink

chris ware's hawkeye would be great as a silent movie directed by kathryn bigelow with nothing but a ragtime soundtrack and some tasteful explosions.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 10 April 2014 00:17 (five years ago) Permalink

That sounds good! One of the worst recent trends in superhero comics is the "superheroes act like soldiers/cops" macho vibe spearheaded by Bendis, and this seems to have bled into the movies as well. If I want to watch cops I'll watch a regular cop show, superhero stories should have cosmic shenanigans and weirdo characters.

And why doesn’t Batman dance anymore? Remember the Batusi?

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 10 April 2014 16:53 (five years ago) Permalink

the hardboiled cop thing works for Batman (altho I thought the campy 60s series worked great too) but different characters are best suited to different approaches

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 April 2014 16:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it might work for some characters, but I don't really care abot those characters (like Batman) anyway. But what Bendis and his followers did was to make pretty much all Marvel characters they touched into hard-boiled cops/soldiers, which I hated. Thankfully the worst days seem to be over (at least in comics), in the last few years titles like Avengers Academy or Young Avengers or Journey into Mystery have brought back the idealism and cosmic adventures and weirdo vibes, which I feel are much better suited for these characters.

Tuomas, Thursday, 10 April 2014 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Huh - I felt like Bendis made every character into snarky goofballs, like Spider-Man

Nhex, Thursday, 10 April 2014 17:47 (five years ago) Permalink

I can't really imagine why someone would portray Captain America as a soldier.

I'd blame it more on Millar and the success of the Ultimates, but blame isn't the word I'd use.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 10 April 2014 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

can't imagine at all why the alter ego of a dude who was turned into a superhuman by the US Army via the Super-Soldier project would be portrayed like a soldier, nothing at all rings a bell.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 April 2014 17:58 (five years ago) Permalink

And why doesn’t Batman dance anymore? Remember the Batusi?

― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

marcos, Thursday, 10 April 2014 18:09 (five years ago) Permalink

apparently Mark Millar is performing the Whedon-style creative consultant role for Fox's forthcoming superhero movies. That's their big plan

Number None, Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:42 (five years ago) Permalink

I can't really imagine why someone would portray Captain America as a soldier.

I'd blame it more on Millar and the success of the Ultimates, but blame isn't the word I'd use.

― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, 10. huhtikuuta 2014 20:52

can't imagine at all why the alter ego of a dude who was turned into a superhuman by the US Army via the Super-Soldier project would be portrayed like a soldier, nothing at all rings a bell.

― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), 10. huhtikuuta 2014 20:58

Er, if you didn't notice it, I wasn't talking just about Captain America, but Avengers in general... And it isn't just portraying Captain America as a soldier (which has been done before Bendis, though some writers have also distanced him from that), but this all hard-boiled superheroes-as-paramilitary-experts, which was popularized by Bendis - and yes, by Millar too. Many writers have used Cap as the leader of Avengers in the past without the Avengers becoming all macho.

But Bendis quite specifically tore apart the whole concept of Avengers (in Disassembled) just so he could remake them in the hard-boiled style he favours. And I'm not saying there's a room for a superhero book like this, but the influence of Bendis and Millar was felt all across Marvel comics at this time, with the cosmic superheroes like Guardians of the Galaxy being the main exception. (Because of this, GotG was pretty much the best Marvel title around that time, so it's kinda ironic that now Bendis has taken over it and made into a macho comic too.) So it was kinda overwhelming, and depressing for those of us who don't particularly care for this kind of superhero writing.

And the influence of Bendis and Millar and co. has definitely bled into the movies as well. Take Hawkeye, for example: in the main Marvel universe he was an anti-authoritarian, tricksterish former criminal, which made him into a nice foil for Cap. But the movies have taken their cue from the Ultimates, where's his just this super-professional company man, i.e. a much more boring and generic action movie hero.

Tuomas, Friday, 11 April 2014 06:51 (five years ago) Permalink

"DO YOU THINK THIS A STANDS FOR FINLAND?"

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Friday, 11 April 2014 08:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Take Hawkeye, for example: in the main Marvel universe he was an anti-authoritarian, tricksterish former criminal, which made him into a nice foil for Cap. But the movies have taken their cue from the Ultimates, where's his just this super-professional company man, i.e. a much more boring and generic action movie hero.

To be fair, Hawkeye spent most of The Avengers under Loki's control, and only regained his mind just in time for the all-action finale where there wasn't really much time to dig into his backstory. From what I've read about Age of Ultron so far, it looks like Whedon plans to put more of a focus on the characters that don't have their own movies, so we may yet find out that there's more to Hawkeye than we say in The Avengers (Pizza Dog cameo ftw!)

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 11 April 2014 10:50 (five years ago) Permalink

Renner seems like a pretty boring dude tbh

Number None, Friday, 11 April 2014 11:05 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess it's still possible to make Hawkeye interesting, but given that he's so obviously based on the Ultimates version and not the main Marvel universe one, I'm not so sure it'll actually happen. I doubt he'll be revealed to be a ex-carny or anything like that...

Tuomas, Friday, 11 April 2014 11:42 (five years ago) Permalink

And I'm not saying the movie characters need to be exactly like their comic counterparts, just that most of the changes they've done have made them more generic and boring than in the comics. (Except for Tony Stark, but that's mostly due to Robert Downey Jr.'s performance.)

Tuomas, Friday, 11 April 2014 11:46 (five years ago) Permalink

It's partly that paradox I pointed out: they've got decades of mythology to juggle and fans to appease, but also, like, the rest of the living world to appeal to, so there's a limit to how deep these movies can go.

Frankly, unless it's happened, I'm surprised there hasn't been a must-read fill-in-the-gaps comic book tie-in with the movies. If not, seems like a missed opportunity to drag people over or back over to the books.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 April 2014 12:03 (five years ago) Permalink

Are they still doing comic book adaptations of comic book movies?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 11 April 2014 12:25 (five years ago) Permalink

Don't miss this Avengers Assemble novelisation, which apparently stars "Nick Furry".

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13615968-avengers

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 11 April 2014 12:55 (five years ago) Permalink

Tuomas complaining about that Scarlet Witch costume in 3, 2...

Number None, Friday, 11 April 2014 13:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Frankly, unless it's happened, I'm surprised there hasn't been a must-read fill-in-the-gaps comic book tie-in with the movies.

How can this surprise you after the last 13-odd years of Marvel tying in their publishing program with film releases

brock out with your cock out (sic), Friday, 11 April 2014 13:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Because I don't read comic books anymore? And, from that vantage, I haven't felt any compulsion to check? I mean, I don't watch Agents of SHIELD, either, but I know the last ep tied in directly to Captain America 2. I realize the comics and movies sort of occupy the same plane, as it were, but my surprise is that, in the credits to Iron Man 3 or Avengers or Thor 2 or something - even a press release - there's not a direct, well, directive to pick up the current comic. Unless it's just implicit. But if they announced issues such and such of whatever title lay some groundwork for Avengers 2, wouldn't they get a reader bump?

Then again, Agents of SHIELD tie-in to Cap'n was apparently the show's ratings low.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 April 2014 13:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Marvel puts out movie tie-in comics (and, yeah, there have been some fill-in-the-gaps books to go along with the straight adaptations), but they're generally shitty when it comes to synergy beyond that. Most recent case in point: a bunch of the Guardians of the Galaxy trades most pertinent to the upcoming movie are currently out of print and super expensive to acquire.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 April 2014 16:14 (five years ago) Permalink

they did come up with "Nicholas Fury Jr."

Number None, Friday, 11 April 2014 16:17 (five years ago) Permalink

I think there's a good chance of Guardians of the Galaxy being a relative flop, which will put an end to any idea of the cosmic/weird side of Marvel in favor of more mainstream/actiony stuff. That's just the way it goes with needing to appeal to an audience that mostly doesn't read comics.

Saw a trailer for the new Spidey last night, it looks absolutely terrible - whatever the MCU flaws, they're just so much better than the Spider-Man or X-Men movie universes.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 April 2014 16:24 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost Yeah, they do kinda goofy and perfunctory stuff, like putting the X-Men in black leather when the first movie came out and revamping Spider-Man to give him organic jizz web shooters. I guess Coulson is part of the MU proper now? That's something.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 April 2014 16:25 (five years ago) Permalink

The new Spider-Man action scenes still look like videogame cut scenes, which is pretty ridic for a blockbuster in 2014.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 April 2014 16:30 (five years ago) Permalink

smash cut to Transformers: Grimlock Edition making crazy money

Nhex, Friday, 11 April 2014 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

We got Dr. Strange movie: http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/marvel-doctor-strange-movie-scott-derrickson-sinister/

(Way too early for a dedicated thread, imo.)

WilliamC, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 00:04 (four years ago) Permalink

Clooney or gtfo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:33 (four years ago) Permalink

My wife begs to differ: "Viggo or gtfo."

WilliamC, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Elias Koteas, assuming he doesn't look weird with hair

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Corbin Bernsen

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:45 (four years ago) Permalink

oh that's good

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:52 (four years ago) Permalink

The new Spider-Man action scenes still look like videogame cut scenes, which is pretty ridic for a blockbuster in 2014.
--Kiarostami bag (milo z)

That's why they got banished to canada

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 03:50 (four years ago) Permalink

The Universe is not kind, it will be Patrick Dempsey.

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:03 (four years ago) Permalink

rumour is Jared Leto. Ugh

Number None, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Figured this was coming soon with that random shout-out in Winter Soldier

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 13:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk in the Daredevil series.

no matter how crabby of a mood I’m in because of the New World Order (WilliamC), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 22:01 (four years ago) Permalink

(announced by Marvel, that is)

no matter how crabby of a mood I’m in because of the New World Order (WilliamC), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 22:02 (four years ago) Permalink

weird, who's dd?

sci-fi looking, chubby-leafed, delicately bizarre (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 22:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Some guy named Charlie Cox.

no matter how crabby of a mood I’m in because of the New World Order (WilliamC), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 22:12 (four years ago) Permalink

nice casting of VDO

Nhex, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 22:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Can't see the DD series being much cop.

Has there been a half-decent live action superhero show since Batman?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 11:42 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Well THERE'S your info dump:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtVzZ-5IQAAFf8p.png

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:08 (four years ago) Permalink

December 2, 2019

DOCTOR STRANGE: WAR WAR

da croupier, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:11 (four years ago) Permalink

wowzers

Nhex, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:13 (four years ago) Permalink

very excited for world war hulk and the inhumans. they should do planet hulk lead-in somehow maybe on tv

Mordy, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:14 (four years ago) Permalink

May 3, 2020

ANT-MAN: LITTLE DUDE, BIG WAR

da croupier, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:14 (four years ago) Permalink

this is never going to end is it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:18 (four years ago) Permalink

They'll cycle through and then...reboot!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:18 (four years ago) Permalink

I guess RDJ said "Eh, just gimme one more Avengers movie, I need to take a nap."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:18 (four years ago) Permalink

has this been confirmed anywhere aside from twitpic?

da croupier, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:19 (four years ago) Permalink

awful optimistic of them to assume phrases like WORLD WAR and CIVIL WAR won't be gauche in 2018

da croupier, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:20 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost -- Not really. But if you're going to release a fake, now's the time.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Didn't that come out months ago, though?

boney tassel (sic), Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:30 (four years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't be surprised at all!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:31 (four years ago) Permalink

the dates have but they've announced no titles beyond dr strange

da croupier, Thursday, 24 July 2014 22:38 (four years ago) Permalink

God I hope the world ends before then.

You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Friday, 25 July 2014 01:16 (four years ago) Permalink

It's totally fake. Everyone knows Civil War comes before Fallen Son.

Frederik B, Friday, 25 July 2014 02:30 (four years ago) Permalink

WOW, THE INHUMANS! A man who can't talk lest he destroy the world and a woman with magic mutant hair iirc. Maybe some kind of underwater green guy?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 July 2014 02:34 (four years ago) Permalink

the big dog yo

Mordy, Friday, 25 July 2014 02:36 (four years ago) Permalink

Would definitely watch over Flash vs Green Lantern.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 July 2014 02:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Or maybe the next one will be about Mosaic and we'll get commentary like this.

http://i.imgur.com/9mRyZys.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DcLq1RG.jpg

tsrobodo, Friday, 25 July 2014 06:51 (four years ago) Permalink

God comic art was ugly in the early 90s.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 July 2014 11:56 (four years ago) Permalink

Justin Theroux as Dr Strange, maybe?

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:28 (four years ago) Permalink

(I'm having a difficult time thinking of actors with the right Look who are tall enough)

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Maybe Ty Burrell...?

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:38 (four years ago) Permalink

itt DJP talks to himself about Marvel movies

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Cumerbatch as Strange?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:47 (four years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:50 (four years ago) Permalink

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Stan_Lee_1975_cropped.jpg
He's got the hair colouring for it already

a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Friday, 25 July 2014 14:12 (four years ago) Permalink

[sorry for the huge]

a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Friday, 25 July 2014 14:13 (four years ago) Permalink

how about Steve Strange?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 July 2014 14:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I hope they let the alliteration rip in the Dr Strange movie

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 July 2014 16:00 (four years ago) Permalink

putting in my vote for david tennant as strange

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 July 2014 16:42 (four years ago) Permalink

great idea, plus he'd probably do it

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 July 2014 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

CLOONEY as Doc Strange or gtfo

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

good in a pencil mustache, not a doctor in real life but used to play one on TV

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:08 (four years ago) Permalink

they'll shoot for Clooney and end up with Jack from Lost

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 July 2014 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

While George Clooney is the ideal in a lot of ways he's also 53

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Strange is not a young character, he's got grey hair etc

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Downey Jr is 49

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah and he's made four movies as iron man, not zero

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:30 (four years ago) Permalink

dr. strange 1 doesn't come out until 2016

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

also disney probably doesn't want an actor who will be expensive from the word go

from the movie stars in split-shots with a drawing when you gis "dr. strange" honestly i might expect someone like joseph fiennes

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

i predict a shia

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 July 2014 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

rooting for nick offerman tho

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

chris pratt can take him to the gym

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:43 (four years ago) Permalink

you're on the right track but insiders are already whispering that this will be a breakout role for aziz ansari

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 July 2014 17:49 (four years ago) Permalink

george clooney as dr strange is inspired

Mordy, Friday, 25 July 2014 17:49 (four years ago) Permalink

clooney's name's been thrown around for years. whenever a part like this gets a lot of casting speculation from fanboys it seems like it always ends up going to a relative unknown so

xp lol

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 25 July 2014 19:46 (four years ago) Permalink

joaquin is pretty believable, respected, known but not likely to cost a ton upfront

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 19:48 (four years ago) Permalink

http://img.moviepilot.com/assets/tarantulaV2/embedded_images/1380111716_her3.jpg

has rocked stache to acclaim

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 19:49 (four years ago) Permalink

regretfully won't be set in 1967

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 July 2014 19:53 (four years ago) Permalink

lol

it won't be him, he doesn't want to do interviews

Nhex, Friday, 25 July 2014 20:29 (four years ago) Permalink

I vote for Timothy Olyphant

EZ Snappin, Friday, 25 July 2014 20:31 (four years ago) Permalink

Michael Shannon.

Self-Satisfaction Guaranteed (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 July 2014 20:41 (four years ago) Permalink

He can continue his villain streak as Dormammu

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 July 2014 20:44 (four years ago) Permalink

it's fun reading the comments to every article about this and seeing everyone suggest every single white dude who's ever had a goatee

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 25 July 2014 20:46 (four years ago) Permalink

lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 20:53 (four years ago) Permalink

man if they hadn't already used idris elba in thor...

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 July 2014 21:14 (four years ago) Permalink

thinking of what jared leto would be like is seriously cracking me up

r|t|c, Friday, 25 July 2014 21:22 (four years ago) Permalink

elba's already been campaigning for black panther right? not like it'd be too out there, there'd just be a scene where hemsworth was like "hm you look like someone i know *audience laughter*"

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 25 July 2014 21:49 (four years ago) Permalink

i don't like actors being more than one superhero

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 25 July 2014 21:50 (four years ago) Permalink

i don't like there being so few black actors in the major motion picture sphere that actors doubling up on roles in the same universe seems normal

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 25 July 2014 22:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Craig Robinson as Luke Cage

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Michael Jai White as Luke Cage

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2014 22:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Terry Crews as Luke Cage

EZ Snappin, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Andre 3000 as Black Goliath

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

Maclolm Jamal Warner as Bishop

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

They already had a Bishop- he didn't have a single line of dialogue.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 July 2014 22:41 (four years ago) Permalink

is michael b jordan a marvel superhero yet?

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 July 2014 23:08 (four years ago) Permalink

johnny storm

da croupier, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:18 (four years ago) Permalink

cool, that's good casting

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 July 2014 23:37 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah that's from that fantastic four that's already announced it plans to have nothing to do w/ the comics

balls, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:58 (four years ago) Permalink

director from Chronicle is doing it too, actually have my hopes up for that one

Nhex, Saturday, 26 July 2014 01:35 (four years ago) Permalink

considering Trank is doing it i'm not worried at all it'll get the comic book stuff done, Chronicle was basically an X-Men movie

Nhex, Saturday, 26 July 2014 01:35 (four years ago) Permalink

gotg 2 happening w/gunn returning

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 26 July 2014 02:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Guardians of the Galaxy 2: Garden of the Gods

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 26 July 2014 03:45 (four years ago) Permalink

*war garden

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 26 July 2014 04:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Savage Garden

Self-Satisfaction Guaranteed (Old Lunch), Saturday, 26 July 2014 11:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Secret of the Lost Garden

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 26 July 2014 14:52 (four years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/u47G52O.jpg

Number None, Saturday, 26 July 2014 19:27 (four years ago) Permalink

who's the guy floating in the back?

Frederik B, Saturday, 26 July 2014 19:45 (four years ago) Permalink

vision

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 26 July 2014 19:45 (four years ago) Permalink

cool. did not now he was in this film. can't wait to see him cry.

Frederik B, Saturday, 26 July 2014 19:53 (four years ago) Permalink

when did hawkeye swell to hulk-like proportions?

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 26 July 2014 20:21 (four years ago) Permalink

huh. imdb says bettany will be playing vision as well as voicing jarvis. what do you know.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 26 July 2014 20:28 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost trick of perspective. that's actually a life-size Renner

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 26 July 2014 20:29 (four years ago) Permalink

oh heh never noticed before but i guess if movie wolverine can be 6ft movie hawkeye can be a lefty

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 26 July 2014 20:31 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost trick of perspective. that's actually a life-size Renner

pretty bad compositionally imo, considering how big the ultrons are surrounding him.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 26 July 2014 20:38 (four years ago) Permalink

huh. imdb says bettany will be playing vision as well as voicing jarvis

makes sense if they're swapping out the Pym as creator for Tony Stark in this universe

Nhex, Saturday, 26 July 2014 21:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Pym already got his own promo poster this weekend:

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/07/23/Ant-Man-Comic-Con_612x942.jpg

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Sunday, 27 July 2014 00:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Michael douglas you say. At least that will spare him the indignity of contorting into some costume.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 27 July 2014 01:12 (four years ago) Permalink

aside from gotg 2 release date (2017) nothing new outside ant-man and avengers. figured they might make some announcements.

also if they're really doing one sequel a year does that push thor 3 all the way back to 2018? tom hiddleston won't even be attractive anymore

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Sunday, 27 July 2014 05:22 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

On the latest Schmoes Know Podcast, our good friend- and overall reliable source- Devin Faraci made an interesting revelation about the direction that Marvel Studios is heading in. After discussing how the old script that Marvel had been tossing around for Doctor Strange has now ended up in the recycle bin, he drops this tidbit:

"Marvel's new thing is no more origin stories. So Doctor Strange's movie no longer has an origin. It begins in media res [literary term for "in the midst of things"]. It's got Doctor Strange all ready established as The Sorcerer Supreme. It's a totally new script [...] without any of the previous stuff. They're not even touching the previous script."

hallelujah

Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

[literary term for "in the midst of things"]

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

finally!

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:12 (four years ago) Permalink

i would be cool with them doing short origin story bumpers at the start of each marvel movie for the NEXT marvel movie, a'la pixar's preshow shorts.

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:16 (four years ago) Permalink

but yeah, fuck wasting the first half of your movie with an origin story that was kinda lame when it was penned sixty years ago and that 75% your audience already knows anyway

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:17 (four years ago) Permalink

OTM. The first few movies can be seen as an origin story for the whole milieu and let's get on with it from there.

Cindy Operahouse (WilliamC), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:34 (four years ago) Permalink

skipping the origin story allows writers to backfill as necessary, which I would think is liberating.

Οὖτις, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

fuck wasting the first half of your movie with an origin story that was kinda lame when it was penned sixty years ago and that 75% your audience already knows anyway

thing is, any character they launch now will NOT be familiar to 75% of your audience if your audience is a blockbuster one. I can see wanting to get away from movies where the climax of the film is "and that's how...he became...THE SUB-MARINER!" but I hope they find a middle-ground between that and assuming we don't need a little time to acclimate to a dude in a speedo with wings on his feet.

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:40 (four years ago) Permalink

we still need to know why we should care about the character beyond the fact that they've been in the presence of nerds for decades, and origin stories are usually the easiest way to express that

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:42 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm seeing guardians tonight so will be able to answer this question myself soon but didn't they just throw the characters in with like five minutes of exposition? And that's one where you can assume 95% of the audience DOESN'T know who these guys are.

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:43 (four years ago) Permalink

no guardians is an origin story fo sho

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:44 (four years ago) Permalink

each individual character gets a little exposition at the beginning, but the story is about their gradual transformation into a team

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:45 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, that's what I mean by "origin story": how they became who they are. Team dynamics tend to make good movies. But origin stories that stick to canon usually suck because this stuff was written by madmen on a deadline in 1953; nobody wants to hear about spiderman's daddy issues. if the origin story is a freshly rewritten take on the character (Thor did this pretty well i thought) then fine. Otherwise, I'd prefer we start with issue #75 and up plz

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:47 (four years ago) Permalink

people loved spider-man's origin story the first time. it was huge. they just didn't need it again in the fourth spidey movie in a decade.

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:47 (four years ago) Permalink

if dr. strange will already be sorcerer supreme at the beginning of the movie, they'll probably have an audience surrogate (maybe a laaady) going "wtf magic?" instead of strange himself

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:49 (four years ago) Permalink

so it will really be the "origin story" of his assistant or girlfriend.

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:50 (four years ago) Permalink

the smart thing about taking that road would be it allows for them to do a flashback "strange rising" prequel...and you knoooow they love prequels

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:52 (four years ago) Permalink

STRANGE BINDS SLIMER IN THE CRIMSON BANDS OF CYTTORAK.
Bystander: "How the hell did you do that?"
Dr. Strange: "It's a long story."
Bystander: "Hell with that, I'll miss my train."
Dr. Strange: "That's cool, I wasn't offering to tell it...UNLESS MY OPENING WEEKEND BLOWS THE FUCK UP."

xps

Cindy Operahouse (WilliamC), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Hellboy did a pretty great job with this. 5 minutes - oh, he's a demon from hell and we'll figure out the rest later - Cut to 80 years into the future!

That said I agree that origin stories can be great if done right, the ones that are annoying are where we have to keep seeing them (new Spider-Man, new Fantastic Four again soon) or the ones that are just terrible generic-feeling retreads (Green Lantern, which should have easily avoided this problem).

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:01 (four years ago) Permalink

x-men did the "non-origin origin story" structure well, with rogue as the audience surrogate needing to be caught up while cyclops and storm were already cyclops and storm

xpost hellboy had that geeky fbi agent (and actually didn't do so great)

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:02 (four years ago) Permalink

the most non-origin story, audience-surrogate-free superhero movie i can think of is watchmen, which tanked

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:05 (four years ago) Permalink

The new Spidey films totally should've just been sequels with a different actor.

I dunno if the same is true for the new FF, not sure enough people saw the first one to not have a retread, and they didn't do it particularly well. They could have the whole thing over with in the first 15 mins though.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:10 (four years ago) Permalink

I dug how they handled it in The Incredible Hulk. All of the origin rehash was handled in brief snippets during the opening credits.

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

well that was a sorta-sequel anyway

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:16 (four years ago) Permalink

The Hulk's origin is extremely straightforward.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:36 (four years ago) Permalink

No more so than most of the other superheroes who don't really require a cinematic origin story. Unless WB is doing a Hawkman movie, I think we can generally leave it out.

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Burton's Batman only spent about two minutes on the origin iirc.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

and still managed to totally fuck it up

Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

still nerdgaging over the Joker killed the Waynes thing

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

The upcoming Venom Carnage film has the unenviable task of presenting the origin stories of both Venom and Carnage in addition to presumably explaining how they became a single entity with an unwieldy name.

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:46 (four years ago) Permalink

that will be covered in the Sinister Six film, which will consist entirely of origin stories for the titular villains

Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:48 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost hellboy had that geeky fbi agent (and actually didn't do so great)
lol wow i COMPLETELY forgot about this aspect of the film, burned

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Burton's Batman did have very little origin story but that is a case where between the tv shows animated and not etc etc you can honestly say the global audience is familiar with his basic steez. but you can't say that about any marvel property they might kick up AFTER ant-man.

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Batman Begins on the other hand is almost all origin story and is probably my favourite Batman movie.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Though I guess it covers a portion of his life that isn't very culturally ubiquitous.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:13 (four years ago) Permalink

The upcoming Venom Carnage film has the unenviable task of presenting the origin stories of both Venom and Carnage in addition to presumably explaining how they became a single entity with an unwieldy name.

i kind of can't believe venom carnage is actually going to happen, at least in its current form. of the three spideyless spiderverse movies planned, only sinister six even has a set release date. unless the buzz on that improves, i can't believe sony would just blaze into "two gooey psychos dressed like spider-man go to white castle." they've already amended their spideyverse fantasies once, can see it happening again

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:31 (four years ago) Permalink

but then again sinister six seems like such a wtf they already look like wile e coyote standing over a ravine confused to me

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:33 (four years ago) Permalink

i still don't get how they're doing a Sinister Six movie without Spider-Man in it

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:34 (four years ago) Permalink

like, they realized from the asm2 numbers that spidey's suffering some audience burn-out, but they still think movies about his supporting cast are going to get people MORE into regular spidey movies?

maybe they think sinister six sounds like fast five which sounds like a franchise re-energizer?

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:38 (four years ago) Permalink

But the Fast series never needed a re-energizer, even the third one that didn't have the original stars made a crapton of money

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:39 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna start presuming that all comic book movies will be titled Venom Carnage from now on unless i'm explicitly told otherwise

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:39 (four years ago) Permalink

In related news, did you hear about the John Carter spin-off Disney is working on called Martians?

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:39 (four years ago) Permalink

But the Fast series never needed a re-energizer, even the third one that didn't have the original stars made a crapton of money

fast five did twice as well as fast 4, you can play semantics but fast five did take things up a big notch

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:41 (four years ago) Permalink

and asm2 still made a ton of money, it just didn't expand upon the market of the reboot like they hoped

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:42 (four years ago) Permalink

some marvel origin stories are good! and i like that the screenwriters have an opportunity to take the bizarre/corny ones and present/form them better. with liberties.

but i can definitely see how the strange origin would be done with as little origin as possible.

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:05 (four years ago) Permalink

er *strange movie

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:05 (four years ago) Permalink

my.. hands.. my.. HANDS *falls to his knees, gazes up into the starlit sky*

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 19:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Strange's is definitely one of the least necessary origin stories. In a way, our encroaching era of private space flights is a perfect time to zip right through an updated version of the FF's origin with a minimum of logistical finagling.

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:44 (four years ago) Permalink

word is they're doing something different with the FF's origin anyway

Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 19:45 (four years ago) Permalink

So they're going to be alien ninja turtles, then.

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Did they actually go ahead with that?

Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 20:08 (four years ago) Permalink

Nah, they eventually realized that Bay's involvement was enough of a slap in the face for anyone who cared.

The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 20:12 (four years ago) Permalink

I would watch a Strange Hamm:
http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2014/08/25/jon-hamm-dismisses-doctor-strange-rumors/

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 August 2014 18:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Jack Huston >>>>

Number None, Monday, 25 August 2014 23:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Good shout.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 25 August 2014 23:05 (four years ago) Permalink

all over the nerdsphere today

Number None, Monday, 25 August 2014 23:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Pedro Pascal ftw

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 07:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Nah, he's a bit too straighforwardly suave (though I've only seen him in GoT, so what do I know).

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 13:11 (four years ago) Permalink

joaquin i guess

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 29 August 2014 01:18 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm okay with that

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 August 2014 04:24 (four years ago) Permalink

Think I would've preferred Huston, but sure he'll do a fine job.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 29 August 2014 09:38 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Jemaine Clement for Dr Strange

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 23:30 (four years ago) Permalink

also, Wes Anderson to direct The Inhumans

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 23:31 (four years ago) Permalink

seriously?

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:22 (four years ago) Permalink

never mind, wasn't thinking

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:24 (four years ago) Permalink

http://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gif

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I was being serious

BRAAAAAAMETHEUS (El Tomboto), Thursday, 23 October 2014 02:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Sorry, Tombot, I believe you -- I just thought it was funny that forks judo-threw himself and that was the first thing that came to mind.

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Cumerbatch as Strange?

― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 July 2014 13:47 (3 months ago)

Called it (possibly)

http://deadline.com/2014/10/benedict-cumberbatch-doctor-strange-movie-cast-862815/

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:00 (four years ago) Permalink

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarf

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Not interested

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Hey, at least it wasn't Jared Leto

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 04:44 (four years ago) Permalink

indeed, could have been worse

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 04:55 (four years ago) Permalink

indeed there is literally one human being alive who would be worse for the part i guess i should be thankful

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 06:38 (four years ago) Permalink

god i'm gonna have to look at his alien face all throughout avengers 5 aren't i

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 06:39 (four years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with Cumberbatch?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 14:50 (four years ago) Permalink

a bunch of ppl here just hate him for some reason

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 14:55 (four years ago) Permalink

he's a UK celebrity that americans know about

Mordy, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 14:56 (four years ago) Permalink

He makes blockbuster films easier to watch for me. Loved the faces he made in Star Trek.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 15:22 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't have a beef with him, but there is a bit of overexposure. I think if anything he's a bit too on-the-nose as it were. Of all the marvel flicks this is the one I'm most interested in because it has the potential to be a bit different, so the writer/director stands to be more of a dealbreaker than the star.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

you know they've already chosen the writer and director, right?

Number None, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

can't wait to see what the director of beloved keanu reeves vehicle the day 'the earth stood still' and the writer of widely-acclaimed jason momoa showcase 'conan the barbarian' will conjure up

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Writer: Lena Dunham
Director: Brett Ratner

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:33 (four years ago) Permalink

would watch

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:35 (four years ago) Permalink

It's just gonna be called Strange and the only "minority" on it will be a white guy playing Wong.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:36 (four years ago) Permalink

sigh

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:37 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i'm unenthusiastic about cumberbatch, but its the creative team that seems like the bigger hurdle to awesome

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Jon Spaits, of pre-Lindelof Prometheus "fame", is actually doing the script now

Number None, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:39 (four years ago) Permalink

i just don't see what derrickson brings to the table other than the willingness to turn lights off before filming

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:40 (four years ago) Permalink

He did Sinister and The Exorcism of Emily Rose, so at least he some experience with (box office) successful horror

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Writer: Kirk Cameron
Director: PT Anderson (Wong will be played by Maya Rudolph)

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:43 (four years ago) Permalink

would also watch

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:44 (four years ago) Permalink

did you see sinister or emily rose? some decent boos at best but again, mostly a lot of characters making bad choices in dark rooms. during the family dinners in sinister you couldn't even see the walls behind them.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:52 (four years ago) Permalink

As long as it doesn't veer toward some Goyer style Marvel Knights bullshit it should be ok. I guess my expectations are centered around huge capes, huger collars, a Jeremy Blake approach to color, big budget abstractions and a proper flaming head. So maybe I care about vision over what the actual story is.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

aside from faith in marvel's corporate overlords, i don't see reason to believe this dr strange movie will be better than that constantine movie a decade ago

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

I want late 90s Wong Kar-Wai's Dr. Strange.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

i'd be fine if it were at the same level as Constantine - super stylish, just enough traces of a plot

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:56 (four years ago) Permalink

5 minutes on the origin, but i don't think we'll be that lucky

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:56 (four years ago) Permalink

(yeah tbf i don't recall hating constantine - it's just that a movie as good as constantine would be reallll mediocre for marvel and not hard for them to top with a more inspired director)

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Deal's not set in stone, not too late for La Beouf Strange

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 16:58 (four years ago) Permalink

word is they're skipping the origin in dr strange and starting with him as an established character.

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Deal's not set in stone, not too late for La Beouf Strange

this is a legitimately terrifying idea

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:04 (four years ago) Permalink

I wonder if they didn't go with keanu because reuniting the star of constantine with the guy who directed him in The Day The Earth Stood Still couldn't possibly excite anyone, while cumbybum has some nerd love. he's also probably still cheap.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:05 (four years ago) Permalink

i dont' think marvel will ever cast someone who can ask for a cut of the gross before the sequel

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:06 (four years ago) Permalink

surely RDJ could have?

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:06 (four years ago) Permalink

he did. and now that marvel is an established independent brand, no one else will ever again

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

(RIP my dreams of clooney as strange)

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:08 (four years ago) Permalink

I was about to comment on the trend of casting nobodies re: Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch and then realized that they're being played by the kid from Kick-Ass (possibly the most anonymous person to ever be in a leading role since Josh Hartnett) and Elizabeth Olsen (obligatory indie darling)

so, good job on casting people who come across as nobodies? *shrug*

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:12 (four years ago) Permalink

(RIP my dreams of clooney as strange)

^^^

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:13 (four years ago) Permalink

disney/marvel's post-rdj policy is "yes you're not getting large slice of this pie, but if you weren't in avengers you wouldn't get to make lucy so it's worth it" and if they really really really want you in "Name Of Your Character 2" they'll cut you in

so far it's worked well in that they've cast quality actors without a lot of insta-name recognition and directors who really want to prove they can blockbuster (though the edgar wright and patty jenkins kerfluffles suggest not everyone wants a blockbuster THAT bad). i'm still excited for ant-man because the visual aesthetic was already defined by edgar wright before it was handed over to peyton reed, who i know can competently film actors being charming (and as proven by the russo bros in cap 2, that's all you need once the character's action aesthetic is figured out). but derrickson feels real B in comparison to his predecessors imo.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:15 (four years ago) Permalink

The more I think about it, the more I have big misgivings about a Dr. Strange movie at all, no matter who's writing, directing or starring. I think the character and his wacky mystic arts adventures would be best served by unnerving amounts of stillness and quiet to go with the freaky Ditko visuals, and Marvel movies arent about stillness and quiet. A Dr. Strange movie as loud and explodey as the Avengers and Guardians movies gives me The Fear.

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Dr Strange done as found-footage horror film

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

every marvel character needs a) the emo factor and b) the cool shit they do in action scenes. i'm sure benedict can handle the emo factor but they're going to have to figure out a way for his power to look more interesting than a laser blast from his hand that we're told is a magic laser blast.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:23 (four years ago) Permalink

xp -- that would be awesome! I say that as someone who's never seen a found-footage horror film.

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen most of these films but I've always had a feeling that all superhero films have a mandatory love (or lust) interest somewhere, and it often makes an awkward fit.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

well the good news is that marvel's been pretty good at tapping into why the character's drama and fighting style has sold comics for decades and presenting it cinematically (for comparison, i dunno if anyone involved with green lantern had a clue why he's endured). problem is that we're now getting to B & C level characters who haven't really sold comics for decades with their drama and fighting style. GOTG proved marvel can find and pull out unproven potential but where a shitty superman movie will still make a couple hundred million, a shitty dr strange movie probably wont.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

at its best the love/lust interest humanizes the character but at its worst it's just tacked on proof that they're straight

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

I think the only love/lust interest in the Marvel movies so far has been Thor/Jane. I don't count Tony/Pepper flirting.

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

uh tony and pepper are the deepest love interests IN the marvel cinematic universe. they're practically a married couple.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:43 (four years ago) Permalink

unless you're defining "love/lust interest" as something inherently negligible

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

My impression was always that they were attracted to each other, enjoyed the flirting, but ultimately both chose to avoid a luv'n'sex relationship. I just asked my wife and her impression was that they did have a romantic relationship, more implied than explicit.

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:54 (four years ago) Permalink

At this point, I think any Marvel movie would make at least a couple hundred million, unless it's completely awful. So many people seem aware of their track-record. Like, the trailer will still have 'The studio that brought you Avengers, Cap 2 and GotG', which is pretty good.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:55 (four years ago) Permalink

a "love interest" isn't defined by the exchange of fluids. there's obviously a deep emotional bond between tony and pepper that's also sexually charged and a source for drama in the film. whether they've done the deed is superfluous - she's his primary love/lust interest

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

obv marvel has a great rep and deservedly so, but whether they can get a golden egg from a true turkey of a film has yet to be tested

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:59 (four years ago) Permalink

make hugh jackman strange and just pretend wolverine doesn't exist

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:04 (four years ago) Permalink

hugh jackman's already strange

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:04 (four years ago) Permalink

Guardians of the Galaxy - directed by James Gunn of all people - probably has them thinking they can pull off anything right now
Winter Soldier was directed by the guys who brought us fucking You Me and Dupree, Picking cheaper talent hasn't hurt Marvel, yet

xp By Avengers it seemed like Tony/Pepper were explicitly a thing - iirc that's why he joins the mission at her "urging"

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:05 (four years ago) Permalink

hugh jackman is strange when you're a stranger

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:07 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean even down to having Wolerine film with him just thinking about Jean Grey. I don think I've ever seen a superhero film without something of that sort.

Wondering if they'll bother in a Wonder Woman film because I gather people tend to hate her boyfriend.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:08 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i've acknowledged they're going for cheaper talent (specifically mentioned the russos re cap 2, that by the sequel the hundreds of CGI wranglers at marvel handle the action scenes and you just need someone who can keep actors interesting) - but gunn was a fanboy favorite known for inspiration and invention (the script that got him into hollywood was The Specials, about an absurd superhero team). derrickson makes murky hit-and-miss ghost movies, and his one big budget flick was a huge dud.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:08 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/we-live-blog-all-the-details-of-marvels-special-hollywood-event

So far, Cap 3 will be called Captain America: Serpent Society, and Thor 3 is Thor: Ragnarok. Yay?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:26 (four years ago) Permalink

at its worst it's just tacked on proof that they're straight

Not sure what you're implying about Doctor Stephen ~Strange~ who lives in the West Village with his exotic valet in a house full of exotic objets and had ~adventures~ without ever stepping out the front door.

He has a girlfriend Clea she drops by sometimes.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I think the character and his wacky mystic arts adventures would be best served by unnerving amounts of stillness and quiet to go with the freaky Ditko visuals...

This is v otm and I don't know if marvel's listening but imo their implied choice of which genre to situate this one in offers some cause for hope.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Inhumans are go.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Avengers: Infinity War. Part one in 2018, two in 2019. So many movies.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Get Linklater to do Dr Strange Waking Life style.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:36 (four years ago) Permalink

sounds like the civil war gossip is all for naught - i wondered how they'd possibly fit that in AND the inevitable guardians/avengers team-up

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:37 (four years ago) Permalink

My impression was always that they were attracted to each other, enjoyed the flirting, but ultimately both chose to avoid a luv'n'sex relationship. I just asked my wife and her impression was that they did have a romantic relationship, more implied than explicit.

Tony and Pepper are dating by the beginning of The Avengers.

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Sorry, it was a fakeout. Cap 3 is Captain America: Civil War.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:38 (four years ago) Permalink

well whaddya know, sony may still get spidey up in there

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:40 (four years ago) Permalink

also, given Wolverine's comic book history/representation, any movie that doesn't have him spending half of it pining over an old lover (whether it be Jean, Mariko, Silver Fox, or whomever) doesn't understand the character

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:44 (four years ago) Permalink

so in order (after avengers 2 and ant-man in 2015)

May 2016: Captain America - Civil War
November 2016: Dr Strange
May 2017: Guardians Of The Galaxy 2
July 2017: Thor - Ragnarok
November 2017: Black Panther
May 2018: Avengers - Infinity War Part 1
July 2018: Captain Marvel
November 2018: The Inhumans
May 2019: Avengers - Infinity War Part 2

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:45 (four years ago) Permalink

okay they're going pretty balls-out here

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Jean's not even a plot-relevant character in The Wolverine though - you can't say that for Silver Fox in Origins or Jean in X2. His haunting is from an in-universe decade past! That is pretty out of the ordinary for most action movies, let alone superhero movies

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:47 (four years ago) Permalink

so leaving out all the spidey business, which is the least defined and most likely to be nuked anyway

Feb 2016: Deadpool
March 2016: BatSupes: Justice A-Comin'
May 2016: Captain America - Civil War
MAy 2016: X-Men Apocalypse
August 2016: Suicide Squad
November 2016: Dr Strange
march 2017: Wolverine II(I)
May 2017: Guardians Of The Galaxy 2
June 2017: Wonder Woman
July 2017: Fantastic Four 2
July 2017: Thor - Ragnarok
November 2017: Black Panther
November 2017: Justice League Part 1
March 2018: The Flash
May 2018: Avengers - Infinity War Part 1
July 2018: Captain Marvel
July 2018: Aquaman
November 2018: The Inhumans
April 2019: Shazam
May 2019: Avengers - Infinity War Part 2
June 2019: Justice League 2

With Cyborg and Green Lantern ringing in the next decade

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:51 (four years ago) Permalink

plus there's turtles and jedis and hogwarts alumni and legos and shit

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:53 (four years ago) Permalink

universal also believes they're brewing a "monsterverse"

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:54 (four years ago) Permalink

i would totally be down with a retconning/rethinking of stephen strange as a gay character; the character's a womanizer, just genderflip it
hell, get the guy from How To Get Away with Murder; he's got the right look.
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/450145620-actor-jack-falahee-of-how-to-get-away-with-gettyimages.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DIWSAsset%26k%3D2%26d%3DGkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QSYRROvz9bDySMiO3BIMOvhPRLqVwzFNLIIMfwnaqyUH

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:55 (four years ago) Permalink

presumably fox won't let 2018-2019 go without gambit and/or another x-movie as well

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:55 (four years ago) Permalink

i give up, gis "jack falahee"

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:58 (four years ago) Permalink

I'd be very surprised if they did Shazam even halfway right. He's one of the most notorious characters for being done badly.

Wondering if that line-up (from all film studios) is a big risk and if they have a plan B? What will they do if the trend loses a large part of its audience?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:00 (four years ago) Permalink

judging from what happened with sony after amazing spider-man 2 it's clear they can curb things fairly quickly, and only fox has to worry about losing rights if they don't produce - if dc or marvel scales back they only lose face.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:02 (four years ago) Permalink

it's not the first time a genre's been inescapable at the box office

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_films_1950%E2%80%9354

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:03 (four years ago) Permalink

who knows maybe in the 2020s the "singing superhero" movie will become a thing

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:07 (four years ago) Permalink

I will be first in line for a Dazzler movie

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:09 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost -- Well then, no WONDER they cast Downey.

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_liaarlupC91qgzg6eo1_500.gif

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Lila Cheney cameo in GOTG2 sets up the musical onslaught

btw "Musical Onslaught" is the Big Bad of these movies

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:11 (four years ago) Permalink

just scrolling down "1950" in that wiki link puts all this crap into context

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:14 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm a little bit worried but I'm glad I'm not a true cineaste because this would drive me nuts. Superheroes have dominated comics for a very long time and the grip has been loosening slowly, maybe only to fasten stronger on films and videogames.

My favourite non-reprint superhero thing Marvel did in the last four decades is Marvel Vs Capcom 1-2. Doubt they'll ever top that insane fun.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:23 (four years ago) Permalink

whatever

I will be first in line for a Dazzler movie

posts you know are DJP before you even see the sig

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:51 (four years ago) Permalink

This commentary is rightfully classic in videogame fandom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:51 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost have there been any genuinely excellent superhero games other than the capcom series (starting with Children of the Atom I guess)...

maybe Arkham?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:53 (four years ago) Permalink

dave axelrod is on that spider man album!

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:57 (four years ago) Permalink

pringles

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:08 (four years ago) Permalink

The Punisher scrolling beatemup is kind of a classic. Some of the PlayStation 2 Spiderman games were very well received. Hulk: Ultimate Destruction gave players the full power they craved but some say it got boring quickly.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:08 (four years ago) Permalink

It did, but it was still pretty solid, like you the Spider-Man (2) game you mentioned
Arkham series really is the tops though

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Comix Zone wasn't based on any real comic but it's great.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:12 (four years ago) Permalink

the marvel lego and ultimate alliances franchises are well liked and puzzlequest is satan
but yeah, arkham

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure I read something about how Marvel plans to step up the QC on their movie tie-in videogames so that they're games that people actually enjoy playing rather than wholly perfunctory pieces of crap.

The Glue Between My Bits (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:23 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of surprised by how excited I am at the prospect of a Captain Marvel movie.

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:31 (four years ago) Permalink

WB has been pretty lucky with both Rocksteady (Arkham series) and Netherrealm (Injustice: Gods Among Us), which btw is wonderful fan service that's actually a pretty good video game
I think since they've already done this with Marvel Studios and films, they should invest in their own developers like WB has

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:33 (four years ago) Permalink

thing about that slurry of westerns is the context of a lot more studio movies, espesh the Bs which were torrential and cheap and make up most of that list; the major studios were not spending entire GDPs on terrifyingly marginal investments in horses.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:34 (four years ago) Permalink

whoops forget it

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:36 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of surprised by how excited I am at the prospect of a Captain Marvel movie.

― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:31 PM (57 minutes ago)

Ditto, CM and Black Panther are the two I'm most excited about now.

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

loving that captain marvel comes out a year before the delayed shazam now

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:33 (four years ago) Permalink

remember when ppl itt were discussing whether or not tony and pepper were in a romantic relationship

that was funny

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:34 (four years ago) Permalink

sucks global warming's gonna take us all before we get to see black panther or cpt marvel

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:35 (four years ago) Permalink

promises, promises

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:59 (four years ago) Permalink

so t'challa's gonna be costume in civil war and it sounds like he's gonna be taking spidey's place

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 05:46 (four years ago) Permalink

apparently there was a "sketch" w/rdj and evans fighting and chadbo (taking credit for that now do not forget) caught in the middle and feige said that it was meant to "signify" what happens in the movie, which is good news bc yay black panther and also it'd be so ridiculous if they managed to cram spidey into this universe

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 05:50 (four years ago) Permalink

seems a little soon for civil war but w/e it will probably be some riff on the theme

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:22 (four years ago) Permalink

As long as I don't have to watch Agents of SHIELD for any of this to make sense, I'm down with whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:31 (four years ago) Permalink

welp, i woulda thought this was fan built until the crowd goes nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv2NRpG76Pg

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 19:10 (four years ago) Permalink

a teaser trailer for a movie four years away from playing in theatres has got to be some kind of record, right?

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:04 (four years ago) Permalink

and with the movie that precedes it in the series not yet having reached cinemas itself!

NYC if you didn't know was taken over by skeleton hipsters in the past (stevie), Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think even LOTR / The Phantom Menace were only one or two years behind. But didn't look as fan-made of course.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Who the fuck cheers at the cinema? And cheering a fucking trailer for a film years away!!!!!! Gross.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 30 October 2014 13:15 (four years ago) Permalink

It was at that rollout event right? That makes a bit more sense

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 October 2014 13:16 (four years ago) Permalink

enthusiasm is fucking revolting. scum.

jamiesummerz, Thursday, 30 October 2014 14:51 (four years ago) Permalink

damn right

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:04 (four years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Marvel are even a little bit glad that they don't own the rights to all the characters - an imposed limit on the cinematic universe might make the whole thing more managable?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:52 (four years ago) Permalink

the current marvel CEO definitely doesn't see a silver lining - they're killing off the fantastic four in the books and chris claremont says they won't create any more x-men characters because the cinematic rights immediately go to fox (tangentially, i'm curious how sony's rights are defined for the "spideyverse" - are characters introduced in spider-man comics inherently theirs? is that why they're plausibly prepping Black Cat?). with movies making so much more than the comics, this guy sees them as giving money away.

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:59 (four years ago) Permalink

look at what marvel is doing with daredevil (initially a fox film property) on netflix - if they got the rights back to spidey or the x-men, they don't necessarily have to have them shaking hands with iron man. at least not right away.

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:01 (four years ago) Permalink

where fox feels the urge to clutter the remainder of this decade with spidey ephemera, marvel could let the franchise take a nap til 2021 and still make hay.

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

gah sony i mean

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Is there anything to stop Fox creating their own mutant characters for the X-Men movies?

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:06 (four years ago) Permalink

they're definitely free to change qualities (i.e. the line-up in First Class), but with so many mutants at their disposal i don't know why they'd bother inventing one with no name recognition whatsoever

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:08 (four years ago) Permalink

where is Dazzler movie

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

they could get LiLo for pennies

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

judging by the two quicksilvers, i'm guessing most of these rights agreements name a few specific characters and then "anybody else primarily associated with these titles." so while wolverine probably can't dance through an avengers movie, quicksilver can as long as they call him a "miracle" instead of a "mutant" and he never refers to his dear ol' daddy magneto

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Odds are the Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch we're going to see in the Avengers movies will be Inhumans (they're already linked anyway what with Quicksilver's ex and daughter in the comics being Inhumans so the transition isn't that jarring)

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah there's been a lot of buzz about how the inhumans give marvel that ability to introduce people born with superpowers without fox's ears burning

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:19 (four years ago) Permalink

are inhumans actually born w/ superpowers or do they need to use those crystals?

Mordy, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:21 (four years ago) Permalink

i think the idea is that the kree has been funking around with our genes like they did with the inhumans and that's why some one-off character on agents of shield has super-strength or whatever

feige (before they announced the inhumans) has denied any connection between the "miracles" and the inhumans but why would he come forward and say "yes, this is how we're going to sneak mutants into our movies five years from now"

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

They're born with latent powers that are unlocked by exposure to the Terrigen Mists. If they're never exposed, they never exhibit powers.

xp: The Kree fucking around with human DNA is what created The Inhumans so I don't think there's a distinction here. In the comics, they've recently introduced the idea that a group of Inhumans split off centuries ago and mingled with regular humans before exposing themselves to the Mists, strewing Inhuman DNA throughout the population that was undetected until Black Bolt sets off a Terrigen bomb over NYC during a showdown with Thanos, creating a whole new set of Inhumans that didn't grow up in Inhuman society and are basically mutants by another name.

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:29 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah honestly all i know about the inhumans is secondhand through blogs and that black bolt is on lego marvel

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:30 (four years ago) Permalink

so is that how they got around wanda's "no more mutants," or did they reverse that in a different way?

Mordy, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:31 (four years ago) Permalink

My favourite Inhumans triva fact is that Black Bolt's 'real' name is Blackagar Boltagon

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:33 (four years ago) Permalink

lolll

beyond quicksilver and scarlet witch were any other x-characters made avengers before 2000? adding rogue to Ultimate Funky Fresh Avengers in 2010 presumably doesn't affect the Fox contract, but are there any other characters where both companies could claim equal ownership film-wise?

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Ultimate Funky Fresh Avengers

Is this a real thing?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:36 (four years ago) Permalink

according to wikipedia, she was a "Marvel NOW! recruit" in 2012 but i don't know what that means

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:37 (four years ago) Permalink

until i'm driven to check out a highly acclaimed trade paperback new superhero comics exist solely to make me lol at descriptions on wikipedia

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Black Bolt's 'real' name is Blackagar Boltagon

ahahahahahahaha

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:42 (four years ago) Permalink

I hope they cast Captaina Marvelini soon

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:45 (four years ago) Permalink

beyond quicksilver and scarlet witch were any other x-characters made avengers before 2000?

Beast has been a member since the '70s

Number None, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Rogue and Havok was on Uncanny Avengers. Storm was on Avengers for a minute. Don't think any of them would be ok for Whedon to use. The 'no more mutants' was reversed by... Hm, was it the Phoenix? The Phoenix definitely helped.

Frederik B, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink

the reason i said "before 2000" is because obv anybody who was in an x-movie before they were an avenger in the comics would be ripe for litigation if they showed up in an avengers movie

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Firestar floats back and forth between the Avengers and X worlds and had Avenger status as of 1998.

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:04 (four years ago) Permalink

Beast is the only other X-person who is pre-2000; Wolverine, Storm, Havok, Rogue, Sunfire, Cannonball and Sunspot are all post-2005.

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:06 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm hopeful but doubtful that Wundagore and Bova the cow-nanny will come into play at some point.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Are they still calling Namor a mutant? They seem to go back and forth on that.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

still so disappointed to learn universal gave up the namor rights, picturing jack donaghy pushing the "namorverse" was too beautiful

though universal's "monsterverse" dreams are cute too

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Namor's a mutant but I don't really consider him to be an X-character, despite being a cornerstone of the books for several years during Utopia.

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:15 (four years ago) Permalink

he also predates the x-men by almost 30 years

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:16 (four years ago) Permalink

That doesn't mean Fox wouldn't try to claim him as a mutant. My understanding is the deals signed in the 90s for the X-verse, Spidey and Fantastic Four are incredibly broad.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:19 (four years ago) Permalink

if universal had the namor rights i can't imagine the language says they'd revert to fox instead of marvel

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

i have no doubt they're broad in terms of "anybody who showed up initially in these comics gets to be in the movies," which means sony has every spidey-born villain and fox has a kajillion mutants" but i doubt they get previously established characters who high fived spidey or wolverine

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

doesn't see a silver lining - they're killing off the fantastic four in the books

This is likely less because of the movies and more because the FF books don't sell.

Marvel's two biggest pushes in 2014 have been relaunching Spidey and killing Wolverine. Third biggest is an Avengers/X-Men crossover. Their unwillingness to push non-MCU properties is overstated.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:22 (four years ago) Permalink

This is likely less because of the movies and more because the FF books don't sell.

feels like a false binary when it's easily two birds with one stone

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I haven't read FF in decades but kinda bummed their just gonna straight up kill them (only to be revived a few years later by some star team, surely)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Not a false binary when the accusations tossed at Marvel revolve around killing titles because they don't have movie rights - when a simpler explanation is that the Fantastic Four is by far their weakest selling legacy title. The fifth-tier Wolverine books outsell FF

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

well they're also not allowing fantastic four toys to be made and chris claremont's saying x-authors aren't allowed to create new characters. if marvel truly had no beef with fox, surely they'd use the fantastic four movie to their promotional advantage rather than shutting down the franchise comic-wise entirely?

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

it's possible they're offing the legacy team so they can have fox's hip new version pop out in the comics universe once the film proves to be a hit, but you'd think they'd curb the rumors of ike perlmutter being furious if that was the case

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:33 (four years ago) Permalink

They may well do that - Marvel timed its Spidey relaunch to coincide with the latest movie. No one outside of Marvel HQ knows what their plans are. Books that sell FF numbers get cancelled all the time so I don't see any reason to assume it's anything but a business decision for now.

As for the X-verse, I'm sure they don't want to gift a hot new character to Universal, but I would guess it's also "you have 500 mutants to play with, why do we need to put energy into a new one?"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:37 (four years ago) Permalink

but that's the thing - refusing to promote Fantastic Four and provide new characters to the X universe would be a business decision.

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:39 (four years ago) Permalink

marvel makes more money by getting film rights back than by selling a few more comics off another company's movies

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:39 (four years ago) Permalink

I'd totally forgotten in the midst of this recent newsflurry that Marvel has another five (5) series/miniseries lined up on Netflix, and another network series just around the bend.

Thereby Creating Humor (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Rumour is Marvel's TV and movie departments aren't seeing eye to eye

Number None, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Marvel's Executive Vice President, Head of Television, Jeph Loeb, is disappointed that, in a departure from his work in comics, his touch has yet to turn Marvel's TV projects into the worst shows anyone has ever seen.

Thereby Creating Humor (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:07 (four years ago) Permalink

though universal's "monsterverse" dreams are cute too

― da croupier, Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:14 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ugh they tried this already and it sucked a dick

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yI7SuBoVL._SY300_.jpg

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:08 (four years ago) Permalink

Old Lunch's comment made me wonder who we can blame Stacy X on and Loeb dodged a bullet there (she was created by Joe Casey, whose X-Men run was so bad that I quit the books until he stopped writing them)

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Hope they make a She-Hulk TV series based on the Dan Slott series from a few years back.

bets wishes (jel --), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Someone told me that this week's FF, Ihumans, X-Men and Wolverine/Cap comics will be the first four Marvel titles with a creator credit for Jack Kirby

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:04 (four years ago) Permalink

wait waht

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:09 (four years ago) Permalink

was that part of the settlement?!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:09 (four years ago) Permalink

IIRC the movie credits just say based on comics by stan lee, jack kirby etc etc - wonder if that will change...

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:50 (four years ago) Permalink

but that's the thing - refusing to promote Fantastic Four and provide new characters to the X universe would be a business decision.
marvel makes more money by getting film rights back than by selling a few more comics off another company's movies

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a business decision - but I was referring directly to the idea that Marvel is canceling FF primarily because of movie issues. That's a lot more complicated (and I would guess that the movie contracts have something to say about Marvel's ability to just 86 a property completely) than "this isn't selling, we can kill it off and relaunch later on with more fanfare."

It's not like doing so is going to make any rights revert, as long as superhero movies are profitable no one is going to give up a major team. - if Marvel gets the X-Men or anything else back it will be because Disney backed up Scrooge McDuck's vault for someone, knowing that they'd make money in perpetuity with a Marvel theme park.

As I said, Marvel's three biggest events of the year involve non-MCU properties.
Avengers titles are fair-to-middling sales-wise. Outside of the main Avengers title I think Black Widow is actually the top seller. Iron Man was selling FF numbers, they haven't solicited an issue in months and it's being relaunched as Superior Iron Man or Invincible Iron Man or something in the next couple of months. If all they cared about was MCU-comic synergy, wouldn't they make the Avengers or the Netflix titles their highest priority?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 30 October 2014 22:45 (four years ago) Permalink

the idea is that marvel doesn't want this ff reboot to do well so they're doing nothing to promote it, and that while they aren't going to do the same with the x-universe, they're not going to create more characters for fox to exploit. if you refuse to believe the rumors about marvel top brass being really grumpy about fox's lock on those titles, fine, but they align pretty smoothly with what's happening.

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 22:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Of course they're grumpy that Marvel sold the rights to a bunch of characters/teams 20 years before Disney was in the picture. They're grumpy about many things, I'm sure.
What I'm saying is that there's no real evidence they're in the habit of cutting off their nose to spite their face - they still make money on those properties, just less. They're never getting them back regardless of promotion by the comic wing. The only thing we know for sure is that one title that doesn't sell is getting cancelled - just like titles that are part of the MCU. On the other hand, we know that they timed their Spidey release to coincide with the movie and that their second biggest selling title of the year (behind ASM1) is about Wolverine.
Deadpool belongs to Fox or Universal, as well, and they're pumping out new Deadpool miniseries left and right - increasing his value as a potential movie.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:04 (four years ago) Permalink

while they're definitely not getting back the x-folk, getting back the fantastic four seems far more possible - after all, fox gave them back daredevil

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:13 (four years ago) Permalink

No they didn't. Their option lapsed after they tried and failed to get a new movie into production

Number None, Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:44 (four years ago) Permalink

i'd argue that's a pretty semantic distinction. if they really wanted to, they could have pulled one of these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_X5C6e3ZeY

da croupier, Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:47 (four years ago) Permalink

and it still would have been better than the Affleck version!

Number None, Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:50 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm curious about the cancelling of important but low selling characters. Wonder Woman is a prime example of a character who has always had a title going because DC feels she's too important to cancel.
Fantastic Four is extremely important in Marvel's history and I'm pretty surprised they'd ever cancel it, so that makes the grudge reason seem more plausible.

I think for a few decades there has usually been more Superman titles than makes business sense because they feel he needs to appear to rival Batman?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:03 (four years ago) Permalink

I may be wrong, but I think DC have to publish Wonder Woman regularly or else lose the rights, so they keep her going even when it's not very financially sensible because of her importance to the DC Universe as a whole

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 31 October 2014 00:06 (four years ago) Permalink

OK, that no longer seems to be the case: from http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/06/03/comic-book-urban-legend-revealed-1/
COMIC URBAN LEGEND: DC must publish at least four issues of Wonder Woman a year or else lose the rights to the property.

STATUS: False

It has long been said that if DC did not publish Wonder Woman at least four times a year, that the rights would revert back to the estate of William Moulton Marston, creator of Wonder Woman.

Writer Kurt Busiek addressed the rumors earlier this year,

They are no longer true, but they were true for a long time – as I understand it, the terms were that DC had to publish at least four issues with “Wonder Woman” as the banner lead feature or rights would revert. That’s why DC did the LEGEND OF WONDER WOMAN mini-series that I wrote and Trina Robbins drew – the Perez revamp was in development, but coming along slowly, and they had to publish something to fulfil the contract terms.

They specifically didn’t want something that would be attention-getting, because they didn’t want to undercut the revamp. So they wanted something gentle and nostalgic, and we had fun doing it.

In the intervening years, though, I’m given to understand that at some point DC bought the character outright, and thus those contract terms are no longer in force.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 31 October 2014 00:08 (four years ago) Permalink

really curious about the details of that - did all-american publications make a special deal with marston? the implication otherwise is that ALL those JSA types were at least partially creator owned

da croupier, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:12 (four years ago) Permalink

I think Marston was a special case--in more ways than one, tbh

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh my god the new Fantastic Four movie is going to bomb so hard:

KEBBELL: He’s Victor Domashev, not Victor Von Doom in our story. And I’m sure I’ll be sent to jail for telling you that. The Doom in ours—I’m a programmer. Very anti-social programmer. And on blogging sites I’m “Doom”.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 12:17 (four years ago) Permalink

In the context of the topic of discussion ITT, that is the most insane thing I've ever read.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:00 (four years ago) Permalink

that this was even spitballed is indeed a sign of how desperate they are to keep and exploit the brand, but studios spitball all kinds of shit. this prequel may have just been on a long list of spidey stories they have the rights to, and considering agent carter it does belong on that big list

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:23 (four years ago) Permalink

also gotham. an exec might have said "give me a list of 15 spideyverse titles" to which some assistant said "jesus fuck, i dunno that stupid aunt may prequel that flopped" when they got home

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I... what

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:25 (four years ago) Permalink

If this is honestly where they're at, selling the Spider-Man rights back to Marvel has to be the better business decision for Sony at this point.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Maybe Sony could partner up with Fox and finally adapt Aunt May, Herald of Galactus. (Only if Rosemary Harris reprises the role!)

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

sony are straight-up trolling at this point

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Wasn't Trouble written as a teen girl romance comic that just happened to feature Spiderman's family?
I think it was part of an effort to see if they could do old genres in a new way and get a new audience.

How are they going to turn that into a franchise film? This is several steps beyond Smallville.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:14 (four years ago) Permalink

teen girl romance by... mark millar

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

It's still a stupid idea but to be clear it is a different stupid idea to Trouble

The target mood is some sort of espionage story in the vein of AMC’s Mad Men, which sounds like a way of saying “classier Agent Carter” without name-dropping Marvel’s upcoming series.

Number None, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

finally the aunt may romance we've all been waiting for

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

unless elizabeth moss walks out at the nexy sony shareholders meeting under a sign saying MAY RISING - MAY 2019 i think this gossip is all that will come of it.

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:58 (four years ago) Permalink

captain mayvel

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:59 (four years ago) Permalink

the real takeaway here is that sony is a) determined to keep the spidey rights and b) open to suggestions as to how to make the most of them

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:00 (four years ago) Permalink

personally i vote for THE BUGLE, a new workplace mockumentary starring jk simmons

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:01 (four years ago) Permalink

they should just start adapting the hostess ads

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:02 (four years ago) Permalink

I thought that's what they were already doing

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:05 (four years ago) Permalink

This desperate attempt to maintain the Spider-License without actually making another Spider-Man film feels very AfterM*A*S*H/Hogan Family-esque.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

I actually think a Daily Bugle show isn't a half bad idea.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

peter parker making jim-face to the camera every time jonah yells about spidey

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:22 (four years ago) Permalink

the newsroom except with pictures of spiderman occasionally

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

i wonder if simmons, elizabeth banks, tobey maguire and bill nunn would actually be down to do a like eight-episode thing for cable or whatever. i mean maguire did the spoils of babylon.

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Of course that's already been done, albeit with a character that Marvel owns

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pulse_(comics)

Number None, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

The strongest runs on Spider-Man IMO are those that focus more on the ensemble and reduce Spider-Man to something like a supporting role. The Pulse is definitely in line with that, yes.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Like, I think I'm starting to realize that I just don't care that much about Spider-Man/Peter Parker as a character divorced from the context of his supporting cast.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I for one would LOVE to see a Trouble trainwreck adaptation

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:10 (four years ago) Permalink

"And that baby that her future husband's brother's future wife eventually had...became the Amazing Spider-Man."

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Millar is such a creep. Remember the covers for these things?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marvel_Trouble_1.jpg

Number None, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:40 (four years ago) Permalink

I remember lots of suggestions in the lead-up to its release that it was gonna be something sleazy.

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:46 (four years ago) Permalink

tbf they're not that off from other YA-targeted book covers. i didn't actually get a crepey vibe from those

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:22 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.comicvine.com/spider-mans-tangled-web/4050-7255/

This series was mostly about his supporting cast. The Rhino two part story was my favourite, it was much like that Simpsons episode in which Homer gets the crayon removed from his head and can't deal with being intelligent.
Nothing else really grabbed me.

Venom had quite a lot of titles so that wouldn't be too hard. But those were mostly reliant upon insatiable Venom fans in the 90s.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Hi, I remember that Flower for Algernon-style Rhino story. It was pretty all right.

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Milligan and Fegredo, IIRC?

i only wanted freidn (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I just checked and it's even called "Flowers For Rhino". I'm sure they did the Frogman story too. Paul Pope and Bruce Jones did some stories too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Back then I didn't appreciate Fegredo but now I realise he really can draw.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

Tangled Web was kind of an anthology series with each arc (or issue) being a different writer/artist combo, right? I remember picking up the Paul Pope one, and maybe a couple others

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:43 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, there was a Greg Rucka issue about one of the Kingpin's goons which got a lot of praise

Number None, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:54 (four years ago) Permalink

that was a good issue! all those are available on marvel's ipad app.

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Milligan did not write the Frog-Man story that Fegredo drew.

Spider-Man didn't appear at all in Paul Grist's b&w Daily Bugle series iirc?

the incredible string gland (sic), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:46 (four years ago) Permalink

There is an issue about a supervillain bar where they all drink and talk. When it came out I thought it was one of the best Spidey stories ever because the ending sent a shiver down my spine but I have mixed feelings about it now for a reason that I've soured on the genre in general: it doesn't generate it's own heat. The awe comes from the reference to big stories of the past.

That's how too much of the genre works now. It exploits the feelings people have for past stories by building stories around them that enshrine the old ones but don't shine by themselves.
But now I don't even think the death of Gwen Stacy was that good either. In fact it was probably the start of an awful superhero trend.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:52 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i didn't know mike colter was up for the role of luke cage - he's fantastic in the good wife and i can totally see him as luke.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 5 December 2014 10:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh that dude! Yeah that is excellent casting

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, 5 December 2014 14:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Among projects in development are an animated Spider-Man comedy that would be produced by Chris Miller and Phil Lord, the team behind “22 Jump Street” and “The Lego Movie”

that actually sounds like it could be good? wtf sony you're letting me down here

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 10:15 (four years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyJqGtP-wU

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 13:06 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Well the bomb just dropped:

http://io9.com/its-official-spider-man-will-appear-in-the-marvel-movi-1684857245

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Marvel just announced that Spider-Man will appear in an unspecified Marvel film, that takes place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Then after this "appearance":

"Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal.... Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films."

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? It could mean that we're getting a whole new Spider-Man franchise, or another Andrew Garfield movie... or maybe even that Sinister 6 film that's been kicking around forever. However, July 28th 2017 is currently set as the date for Marvel's Thor: Ragnarok — but hell, that might all change now.

Honestly, we're inclined to think that just about anything Sony was previously developing is most likely thrown out the window, including spin-offs. And Marvel will no doubt be taking the wheel on the character's development from here on out. Especially with this line so clearly printed in the Marvel release, "Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger." That's big.

Oh and also, Spider-Man coming over to Marvel may lead the way for other Marvel characters showing up in Spider-Man movies as well "Marvel and Sony Pictures are also exploring opportunities to integrate characters from the MCU into future Spider-Man films."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Apparent new timeline:

SPIDER-MAN 7/28/17
THOR 3 11/3/17
BLACK PANTHER 7/6/18
CAPTAIN MARVEL 11/2/18
INHUMANS 7/12/19

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:21 (four years ago) Permalink

all the shoes drop

mh, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Except for Ditko's.

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:45 (four years ago) Permalink

feel kinda bad for andrew garfield - he was a really good peter parker (and emma stone was a great gwen). shame the scripts they were landed with were so sub-par.

tbh, after five movies with peter parker in 12 years i'd be happy if they gave him a rest for a while and put miles morales in the suit in the marvel universe.

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 09:24 (four years ago) Permalink

nah, Garfield sucks. I'm glad he's dead

Number None, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 11:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh hooray maybe we'll finally get to see Spidey's origin story.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 11:54 (four years ago) Permalink

he was a really good peter parker

I kind of think the opposite - he was a bit too cool as Peter, but really good as Spider-man; gangly physique and good with a wise-crack. Maguire was the other way round IMO.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 11:56 (four years ago) Permalink

i kinda looked at him as the john romita version of peter as opposed to maguire's steve ditko version

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 12:02 (four years ago) Permalink

any great spiderman movie has to realise that peter parker is the central character, not his costumed alter ego, and peter parker should always be the saddest sack this side of charlie brown

a cake of three ingredients (stevie), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 12:10 (four years ago) Permalink

though that's an interesting take, bizarro

a cake of three ingredients (stevie), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 12:11 (four years ago) Permalink

i dunno if peter parker needs to be a sad sack so much as he needs to be teetering on the edge of meltdown at all times - flat broke, being yelled at by jjj, worrying about aunt may, dealing with girl problems, his backup costume got ripped to shreds and ffs now the rhino's rampaging through downtown manhattan as well argh

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 12:52 (four years ago) Permalink

chap and stevie otm

Nhex, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:42 (four years ago) Permalink

miles morales is supposed to be pretty young, right? so probably not a donald glover role? trying to think who would make a good miles and i keep scaring myself w/ the idea of jaden smith taking over the franchise.

Mordy, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:15 (four years ago) Permalink

iirc Amy pascal blamed After Earth on her inability to say no to will smith but between its failure and will joining suicide squad I'd hope we're jaden free

Pretty doubtful it won't be Peter Parker though. Can't see them wanting any hubbub or confusion getting in the way of the cheers when Spidey swings into cap 3

da croupier, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

It won't NOT be Peter Parker I mean

da croupier, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:19 (four years ago) Permalink

i think it might be since in the comix they're bringing miles into the main canon (and shutting down ultimate) and they've talked about aligning the comix canon w/ the nu-media canon

Mordy, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:21 (four years ago) Permalink

post-world smashy, they're going to probably have:

- Peter and Mary Jane married
- Miles Morales is a young Spider-Man
- Maybe other spider types running around post-Spiderverse. Spider-Gwen?

mh, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

It's pretty amazing that ambulatory meme Donald Glover has managed to keep himself in the conversation for this. Granted I'm sure it's just a small yet vocal geek contingent and I'm confident that Marvel are smarter than that, but still, good hustle I guess

Number None, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

i would say the chances of a cinematic miles morales spidey for next gen movies is pretty damn high

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:29 (four years ago) Permalink

and i'm holding to my jaden smith prognostication

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:29 (four years ago) Permalink

noooooo

Mordy, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Obv there's an angle for morales but guys they made five movies about Peter Parker if Spidey is going to swoop into a marvel it would be so much easier to say "hi I'm Peter Parker we've met before" than "hi we've never met please to enjoy yet another origin story"

da croupier, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:37 (four years ago) Permalink

i liked the suggestion of maestro harrell (randy from the wire) which has been going around for a while. he'll probably be getting too old by the time the movies are cast but the thought of jaden smith is horrifying

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Jaden post karate kid way more plausible than jaden post-after earth

da croupier, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:43 (four years ago) Permalink

Also if they recast marvel is gonna want charismatic and cheap, jaden is neither

da croupier, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:44 (four years ago) Permalink

amy pascal gave herself the golden-est parachute

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 18:42 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

FF teaser is like a spoof 'dark n gritty superhero movie' trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwh48VDMZxg

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 5 March 2015 11:55 (four years ago) Permalink

ff not mcu fwiw

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah I know, but thread has been spilling out into general superhero cinema.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:55 (four years ago) Permalink

In the future Hollywood will eventually just pool all its money into one big $1 trillion movie. They will actually destroy a whole city making it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2015 16:55 (four years ago) Permalink

oboy more origin stories

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2015 17:15 (four years ago) Permalink

xp are tickets on sale for that yet?

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 March 2015 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

cheap tickets get you into the theater, expensive ones get you into the city

Soylent News Service (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 March 2015 17:51 (four years ago) Permalink

It will be cool in 10-15 years to see the Avengers holograms reboot everyone sitting in an amphitheater while costumed superheroes duke it out on the stage like flickering flames of mythology past.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 5 March 2015 17:54 (four years ago) Permalink

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/a-marathon-of-all-11-marvel-movies-to-be-screened-at-amc-and-regal-theaters/

On April 29th, the two chains will screen all 11 films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in sequential order, beginning with Iron Man and finishing with Avengers: Age of Ultron. That’s 27 hours straight of live action comic book madness, though based on runtimes and the marathon’s schedule, audiences can at least expect a bathroom break between movies.

Cinemark will also join AMC and Regal in holding an Avengers double feature for the less dedicated, with The Avengers running right into Avengers: Age of Ultron. Tickets for all the viewing events at select theaters can be found at the AMC, Regal, and Cinemark websites. Here’s the schedule for AMC’s Ultimate Marvel Marathon:

6:00 p.m. - Iron Man
8:25 p.m. – The Incredible Hulk
10:35 p.m. – Iron Man 2
1:00 a.m. – Thor
3:10 a.m. – Captain America: The First Avenger
5:30 a.m. – The Avengers
8:48 a.m. – Iron Man 3
11:15 a.m. – Thor: The Dark World
1:45 p.m. – Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4:20 p.m. – Guardians of the Galaxy
7:00 p.m. – Avengers: Age of Ultron (RealD® 3D)

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:59 (four years ago) Permalink

that looks like hell on earth

DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh, absolutely. That said, I'll be there with a pillow and a trucker's mate.

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:06 (four years ago) Permalink

I was kinda hoping that some theater chain or another would be doing this, but I was also kinda hoping they'd approach it in a reasonable way for people who have jobs and enjoy sleep.

Stomach Hurts...And I Don't Care! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, the latter sort of takes care of itself.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:13 (four years ago) Permalink

If that's the way people are going to see the new film, I wonder how many people will be in a good enough mood to properly enjoy the last film. Sounds like the perfect way to spoil your appetite.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:17 (four years ago) Permalink

I hear that the optimal way to watch the movie is through tears of delirium.

Stomach Hurts...And I Don't Care! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Also reminds me of South Park in the World Of Warcraft episode. Bring your parents so you can shit into a big plate they hold out for you.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Delirium rumored villain for Avengers 3.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Fun fact: it took the James Bond series 44 years to churn out as many films as the MCU will have done in 11 (i.e. through 2019).

Wet Pet (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:43 (four years ago) Permalink

If that's the way people are going to see the new film, I wonder how many people will be in a good enough mood to properly enjoy the last film. Sounds like the perfect way to spoil your appetite.

I saw Star Trek 5 at the end of a marathon screening of all five movies when I was a teenager but I don't think it was exhaustion that made that movie such a bummer

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 5 March 2015 22:20 (four years ago) Permalink

I want somebody somewhere to offer up a counter-program marathon of Lav Diaz' filmography on the same day.

Frederik B, Thursday, 5 March 2015 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

xp lol that is so sad to go through all that and end with V

Nhex, Friday, 6 March 2015 04:20 (four years ago) Permalink

I once watched 7 movies in a row at the local movie festival, and I can tell you that shit is hella grueling, both physically and mentally. And the last movie just happened to be a Japanese flick that the festival catalogue promised to be a thrilling actioner, but it was more like tedious psychological torture porn, I almost wanted to cry at that point.

Tuomas, Friday, 6 March 2015 22:05 (four years ago) Permalink

only time I've done this was for a 24-hr filmfest thing in college where the local rep house was doing it as a special event. I sat through Raiders of the Lost Ark, Singing in the Rain, and Casablanca and I think after that I fell asleep

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 March 2015 22:13 (four years ago) Permalink

As loud as movie theaters are now I'd have a splitting headache halfway through the second movie.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 March 2015 23:50 (four years ago) Permalink

FF teaser looks like car commercial + christopher nolan

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Saturday, 7 March 2015 07:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Why do people watch movie marathons? Can't think of any way that makes any of them any better, unless they are maybe all literally parts of the same movie (like the three Lord of the Rings movies, maybe). And even then. Take a fucking break. That's why there are three movies and not one 12 hour movie. Would anyone just sit right down and read an 800 page novel without stopping?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 March 2015 15:27 (four years ago) Permalink

People.... do things differently?

mh, Saturday, 7 March 2015 15:34 (four years ago) Permalink

In high school a friend and I planned to watch every Friday the 13th movie over a weekend and review them for the teen page of the local paper. We gave up on day 2 halfway into Jason takes manhattan, but we still talk about it as a fun memory.

So my guess is, the people doing this are younger than us.

da croupier, Saturday, 7 March 2015 15:41 (four years ago) Permalink

part of me loves the idea of that Marvel marathon...but the other part of me enjoys sleeping & there's no way I'd make it through all of them

but i did a mini marathon of the Cap movies & Avengers ...and I have watched all three lotr movies in one sitting

i just like to binge sometimes :D

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 March 2015 15:56 (four years ago) Permalink

It's popular enough that London's biggest second run cineme is doing it a lot (also sing/quotealongs).

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 7 March 2015 19:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Goddammit

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 7 March 2015 19:19 (four years ago) Permalink

in high school once some friends were doing uninterrupted-lotr, and i had a lot to do that day so could not consistently attend, but in between driving around doing whatever cool important-feeling stuff it was i had to do with another friend we stopped two or three separate times at the lotr house to check in for 20-30 minutes and say things like "holy shit how are they only at lothlorien". this isn't a story i realize but it's a halcyon memory cuz it was the perfect combination of feeling cool and watching lotr. on the other hand: later in college i would do this marathon myself, with a different set of friends, and, i think, somewhere in rohan, i think, a couple girls came over and did a bunch of coke by themselves.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 March 2015 19:33 (four years ago) Permalink

I love bingewatching at festivals. But it's not really 'marathoning' when I'm taking halfhour breaks inbetween, or something.

Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2015 19:35 (four years ago) Permalink

meals tho, i mean i'd want that marathon fking catered bcz i aint eating 12 hrs worth of diarrhea hot dogs & popcorn

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 March 2015 21:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Fantastic 4 looks kinda rad idk

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 7 March 2015 21:43 (four years ago) Permalink

later in college i would do this marathon myself, with a different set of friends, and, i think, somewhere in rohan, i think, a couple girls came over and did a bunch of coke by themselves.

lol

drash, Saturday, 7 March 2015 21:52 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Idly considering the similarities between westerns as a genre and the current superhero genre - feel like in 50 years we'll be looking back and thinking jesus christ why were so many of these made? (which is how I feel about westerns for the most part)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 23:04 (four years ago) Permalink

both draw on pulp/YA fiction origins for material and ready-made mythos, uniquely American, etc.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 23:06 (four years ago) Permalink

There aren't so many of these made, are there? At least compared to Westerns. So far there have been roughly 2 Marvel movies and 1 DC movie per year, right? Whereas in the heyday of Westerns there were like several of those coming out each month. Though of course there's a difference in that Westerns could be made fairly cheaply, but so far there hasn't exactly been a deluge of mid-budget or low-budget superhero movies. Also, it's pretty interesting that pretty much all the successful straight superhero movies have been based on Marvel and DC properties. Non-Marvel/DC superhero movies have mostly been parodies or deconstructions, like The Incredibles, Megamind, Kick-Ass, Toxic Avenger, The Mask, Chronicle, etc.

But I'm sure there are some interesting sociological theories to why these type of movies have become so popular in this era, especially considering that many of the comics they're based on are decades old... I guess you could argue that in times of recession, war on terror and other political and economic insecurities, people crave the sort of comfort straightforward hero stories can offer. Certainly some of the movies have addressed these issues directly; for example, there's that scene in the first Spider-Man movie where random New Yorkers start protecting Spidey from the Green Goblin, and The Winter Soldier of course is totally in the post-NSA, post-Wikileaks vibe, with Cap (literally) representing old-fashioned values like liberty in contrast to the shadier politics of SHIELD.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 06:48 (four years ago) Permalink

roughly 2 Marvel movies and 1 DC movie per year, right?

Depends on how you count, especially when you factor in TV. Plus it's about to get a lot more hectic.

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 07:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Honestly I think the current ubiquity of the superhero movie simply has a lot to do with special effects catching up with the kind of crazy shit a comic book artist can portray.

Kick-Ass is a Marvel property fwiw.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 07:50 (four years ago) Permalink

The Winter Soldier (as you point out a dozen words later) is not a decades old story, nor a straightforward hero one.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 07:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Kick-Ass is a Marvel property fwiw.

nope, it's owned by Millar and JRjr - the sequel even premiered in Millar's own newstand magazine, not an Icon comic.

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 09:37 (four years ago) Permalink

the similarities between westerns as a genre and the current superhero genre

go
to
hell

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Has there been ONE comic-book film that will stand decades later as a 'classic' adult work of art like the best westerns of Ford, Hawks, Boetticher, Mann, Leone etc?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:19 (four years ago) Permalink

I daresay there's an argument to made for the Batman Returns-Dark Knight trilogy

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:24 (four years ago) Permalink

Even if there hasn't been, that doesn't mean there are no similarities between the genres.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Sure: American Splendor, Persepolis, Ghost World, Corto Maltese, A History of Violence, Oldboy, etc.

But if you're talking about superhero movies alone, I'm not sure what point of comparing them to "classic adult" Westerns, because they're not aiming to be "adult" works in that sense. That doesn't mean the best superhero movies can't be as satisfying and successful at what they do, though. There's not just one measuring stick for good movies.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:29 (four years ago) Permalink

(x-post to Morbius)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:29 (four years ago) Permalink

yes Tuomas, we were talking about the Marvel-type films, which are closer to being $250 million iPhones.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:34 (four years ago) Permalink

have you actually seen any of the marvel movies, Morbs?

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, you only said "comic-book film", and it's a pet peeve hate of mine that people equate "comic books" with "superhero comics", when superhero comics are a small minority among the comics produced around the world.

But I still don't get your point... Do you think action movies in general are a lesser genre? Because most recent superhero films are basically action movies with some sci-fi/fantasy dressing, and the best of them work really well as such. Judging them by the standards of some other genre makes little sense to me.

(xpost)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:40 (four years ago) Permalink

stevie: yes

see what i did there

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 12:01 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't know much about westerns but were they generally aimed at adults or did that only come in the 50s and onward?
I don't know how much kids playing cowboys vs indians has to do with movies but surely a lot of kids were seeing the older westerns?

I'm really curious why martial arts films have dried up so much. It doesn't make sense to me. I've heard that a lot of the new stuff is on Hong Kong tv that doesn't get imported. Most of the martial arts films that do get imported look like boring prestige epics (the comedy seems to have disappeared).
But regardless of the new stuff, it seemed like videogame, comic and science fiction fans watched waaaaay more martial arts films (from 70s to present) in 90s-early 00s than now. Why isn't our martial arts thread more busy?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 12:27 (four years ago) Permalink

lack of cultivation of auteur choreographers, directors, stars in the industry? but that still leads to more questions.

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 12:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Fight scenes in mainstream action flicks are geberally more martial arts influenced than before, maybe that fulfills the need?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 12:56 (four years ago) Permalink

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/c/c8/Hulk.gif/revision/latest?cb=20131214213537

"My flyswatter style will surely defeat you!"

WilliamC, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 12:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, maybe videogames too have saturated them with all they need.

But part of what I'm saying is that fans of cult stuff were watching loads of old and new martial arts films until a decade ago. Especially following Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Sonny Chiba etc.

I was hoping The Raid might lead to a new generation of international martial arts but for now it ain't happening.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 13:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Οὖτις otm btw. Westerns (in their heyday) and superheroes both draw on the stories and heroic archetypes in vogue when their moviemakers were kids. Lord knows what it'll be in 60 years...a profusion of Mad Max survivalists probably.

WilliamC, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 13:08 (four years ago) Permalink

All superhero films are alike, pretty much. And I like a couple of them. But compared to all the stuff that was done with the western... Basically, mainstream movies have been codified, don't think there's a single of them that will be looked at as fondly as stuff like Stagecoach or The Searchers or The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance. But hey, wasn't 2001 one of the biggest blockbusters of all time back in 1968? Back then, you needed repeat viewing to be a phenomenon. The economics are different today.

It's crap, superhero movies. But if it's enjoyable crap, I don't care. I will prob watch the new Avengers with my little brother, and the new Bond with my parents.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 13:09 (four years ago) Permalink

On martial arts: Isn't Tony Jaa in the new Fast & Furious? Perhaps that will get some kids to watch thai martial arts film.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 13:09 (four years ago) Permalink

xps Still holding out hope that The Raid will inspire a new generation of intense action movies as well, but maybe it'll take time to bear fruit. Wishful thinking at best, I know.

As stevie mentioned I think Batman Begins/The Dark Knight might stand out as the most fondly remembered and respected films from this superhero era. And if not as "seriously" respected as Ford, Mann and what-have-you, the first two Superman and Burton Batman films are also as beloved as any popular films out there.

But besides whatever should supposedly be the composition of a respectable evergreen classic of film history... we'll be lucky if superhero films do move towards more complex takes on the genre like Searchers and Vallance. Or Johnny Guitar.

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 14:25 (four years ago) Permalink

well, there aren't many superhero comics which i'd call traditional literary masterpieces (although i value them tremendously as art in other ways) so i dunno if there's any reason to expect the movies to be evergreen classics of film history

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 14:31 (four years ago) Permalink

although on the other hand it took time for westerns to evolve - maybe there will be an equivalent advance in superhero movies if they hang around for long enough

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 14:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Actually I think superhero movies should go in the opposite direction and embrace the kids audience in (hand)animated films. I still think those Bruce Timm styled DC cartoons are the best screen versions of superheroes. Their version of Joker was just brilliant.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 14:34 (four years ago) Permalink

auteur takes on pulp genres

mh, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 14:35 (four years ago) Permalink

I wasn't really thinking of making a qualitative comparison fwiw

xxxp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Even if superhero movies evolve in an adult form (if the Nolan movies don't count), that still won't please people like Morbs. The style of Big Hollywood productions is anathema - they'd hate Rio Bravo and The Searchers if they were made in 2015 just because of what's involved to produce a film like that today.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:30 (four years ago) Permalink

wtf, who wants an "adult" superhero movie; do we also have to have "adult" animated films featuring CGI pandas?
there are a handful of comic book films that are made for adults and they are highly acclaimed: American Splendor, Ghost World, A History of Violence

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:36 (four years ago) Permalink

The first Downey Iron Man was reasonanbly adult.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

..as was Superman II (I can't imagine a ton of 9-year-olds being tickled by Gene Hackman's car dealer vibe).

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:42 (four years ago) Permalink

ok I give up I don't know what you mean by "adult"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:42 (four years ago) Permalink

otoh i fucking hate those Nolan movies' adolescent idea of what's adult. DARK, WITH ATOMIZED FIGHT SEQUENCES.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

There needs to be a superhero movie with a plot that makes sense or is in some way relatable to the common person. Even if movies are broadcasting DIRE CONSEQUENCES and THE END OF THE UNIVERSE they really haven't successfully portrayed that imo. There is no suffering, no consequence to the actions of anyone in the movies. The heroes may be killing as many people as the villains as they smash through skyscrapers, and nobody really cares. It's all detached and context-free. Westerns seem very tied to their landscapes and the places in which they take place, most comic book movies seem to sort of exist and are later transposed onto the real world.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:47 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think a movie made 30 years ago is very relevant to modern superhero movies. It's closer in production to the aforementioned westerns than The Avengers.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:48 (four years ago) Permalink

It's all detached and context-free.

yeah this drives me crazy, really takes me out of the film(s)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:48 (four years ago) Permalink

There needs to be a superhero movie with a plot that makes sense or is in some way relatable to the common person.

Kick-Ass is attempting something like this, though it has its cake and eats it.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Why is being relatable to the common person important?

Don't forget Blue Is The Warmest Color, Forksclovetofu.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:57 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm sure there's a bunch of other movies for adults, French and Japanese stuff in particular, that qualifies as a comic book adaptation that I must be forgetting.
Art School Confidential, though that was pretty lame.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Jim Broadbent was great in that though. His character's paintings were great too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:00 (four years ago) Permalink

pre-marvel era, Blade and Hellboy (1 and 2 for both) are the gold standard imho

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah Hellboy II might be my favourite superhero film.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean relatable wrt consequences and things, like Iron Man having his Stark Tower blown up isn't quite so devastating cos we all know he is super rich and will just buy a new one.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I wonder if any 'pro-superhero/comic/movies based on comics that may or may not feature superheroes' argument has ever swayed anyone who thought that those things were crap.

Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:07 (four years ago) Permalink

I explicitly referenced superhero comics movies (not comics movies) for a reason. it's the superhero movies that have parallels to westerns

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

and I wasn't making some bid for "respectability" on the part of superhero movies (most of which I find to be well-made but ultimately empty and forgettable fan-service garbage) by comparing them to westerns, just wondering about the parallels in terms of their popularity, their ubiquity, the forces behind production of both etc.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

to pacify Morbz I happily agree that I haven't seen any superhero movie that approaches the Searchers (or the Wild Bunch or [insert classic here]) - there have been some good ones, and the genre is fairly young but corporate (and the push for continuity, esp on Marvel's part) have inhibited any auteurs from really using the genre to push boundaries or do something really interesting. Nolan and Singer come closest and in both cases their trilogies have major flaws/regrettable entries.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

"corporate goals" I meant to say there

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen any superhero movie that approaches the Searchers (or the Wild Bunch or [insert classic here])

Yeah but tbrr most westerns don't, either.

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:16 (four years ago) Permalink

remember when m. night shyamalan tried to make a serious comic book-style film

he's really the expert at misfiring on all cylinders imo

mh, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah but tbrr most westerns don't, either.

definitely! and there were way more westerns made than superhero movies (at this point). Expecting a "Searchers" level film to come out of a such a young genre with so much corporate and commercial pressure to do otherwise is not really realistic.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Looking through those film lists (grateful for the notation of live action and animated, especially for manga), missing a few like Blue Is The Warmest Color, Two Fat Slags and Dellamorte Dellamore (although the other Dylan Dog film is listed).

Anyone seen this film, Tokiwa?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117933/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_3
It's about the studio Tezuka and other manga pioneers worked in. It's supposed to very good but it hasn't been released outside east Asia.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:46 (four years ago) Permalink

remember when m. night shyamalan tried to make a serious comic book-style film

Do you mean Unbreakable? I genuinely think that is an interesting - and quite successful - attempt to tell a different kind of superhero film; in places it reminds me of a Steve Gerber comic.

Baffled by the love for Hellboy II, an unbreakably boring film.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:57 (four years ago) Permalink

I like things about the Hellboy films but I think they don't comfortably fit into the sort of film structure they're trying for.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

it has moments but I really can't stand Shyamalan's filmmaking, full stop

mh, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 17:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Tokiwa is on Netflix streaming now.

xposts

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Wow, that's odd. Wish I had American Netflix (the British version was inferior last time I checked)

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

xp It is? I don't see it.

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 19:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Marvel superhero films end on an up note* but they can also have consequences - I know people with a lot of good things to say about Iron Man 3's presentation of Tony Stark's PSTD, which comes straight out of Avengers.

Hellboy love completely mystifying over here as well.

* there is a thing where "An entire city got levelled but we won in the end" is an upnote, but we should probably blame idunno Independence Day for that rather than anything superhero-specific.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 20:23 (four years ago) Permalink

That sort of unceremonious grand scale violence has been in superhero comics forever. I remember Juggernaut knocking down the twin towers and it barely having any sense of gravity and I doubt it was mentioned again. When he was standing next to crying Dr Doom after September11, maybe he was saying "didn't I knock these down 10 years ago?" (but again, Romita Jr said their presence was not to be taken literally)

Cities are trashed all the time in these comics and everything goes back to normal soon enough, but you might say that's a problem in shared universe stories where every creator is working with hundreds of others.

I remember reading someone in the 80s being horrified by the violence in Indiana Jones because it all seemed so inconsequential.
Watchmen movie in particular got flack for death of lots of people as empty spectacle.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 20:43 (four years ago) Permalink

I think in the comic plot of the upcoming marvel movie, the civil war, things get started by hulk killing 20+ people in a fight in vegas. wouldnt be surprised if hulk gets into some trouble at the end of the nu movie

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 20:46 (four years ago) Permalink

it's true that the majority of Marvel/DC superhero comics do not concern themselves with the impact of superhero antics on non-superheroes (there are exceptions). And both companies' long-established business practices of alternately sustaining and then violently disrupting continuity also contribute to this feeling of nothing being at stake - don't worry, if anyone dies they'll just be resurrected or reincarnated or flown in from an alternate universe etc. This does carry over into the movies imo.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 20:50 (four years ago) Permalink

well not the way continuity is handled (at least, not yet) but the feeling that nothing is really at stake and so who cares

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 20:51 (four years ago) Permalink

damage control and gotham central movies will happen eventually, don't doubt... gotham already is a television series with no batman
people love their meta

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 20:59 (four years ago) Permalink

and they need to go to hell for that.

Unbreakable was a good film!

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

yes, obv there were a ton of bilge, no-budget, unimaginative westerns, but there were also a couple hundred that can stand up to serious analysis and evaluation.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 21:04 (four years ago) Permalink

The very FACT that these Marvel movies and their ilk all cost a few hundred million and are presold to a global audience weighs against them having the qualities that make for interesting cinema. Like I said, they're this year's model of smartphone. They can't afford to stray.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

yes, obv there were a ton of bilge, no-budget, unimaginative westerns, but there were also a couple hundred that can stand up to serious analysis and evaluation.

― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius),

I agree with this, but I think the hit/miss ratio is about the same for superheroes as for westerns. There have been thousands of westerns, right? -- if we go back to The Great Train Robbery.

WilliamC, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 21:46 (four years ago) Permalink

The very FACT that these Marvel movies and their ilk all cost a few hundred million and are presold to a global audience weighs against them having the qualities that make for interesting cinema

totally agree w this - and they differ from westerns in this way (which were cheap to make afaict) and were not really "presold" in any meaningful way

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 22:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Morbz likes Unbreakable! whaaat!?
(I love that movie btw, fuck the haters)

agree that superhero movies in general costing more money and gunning to be AAA blockbusters almost every time does limit their scope.
also that there were 100 being made each year with lower budgets there would be more interesting stuff - like say, the first 80% of Chronicle

Nhex, Thursday, 9 April 2015 03:43 (four years ago) Permalink

it'll be interesting to see if marvel's netflix shows, which seem to be focusing more on street-level superheroics, will encourage them to explore different angles in the movies in the future or whether the big screen will be kept exclusively for megabudget spectacle

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 08:38 (four years ago) Permalink

for the record i LOVED Superman 2, aged five

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 9 April 2015 08:49 (four years ago) Permalink

it'll be interesting to see if marvel's netflix shows, which seem to be focusing more on street-level superheroics, will encourage them to explore different angles in the movies in the future or whether the big screen will be kept exclusively for megabudget spectacle

Agent Carter was actually quite good and different from the movies it was spun off (focusing more on character interaction, police work, gender roles in the 1940s, etc), but it wasn't really a "superhero story" in any meaningful way, it had only one supporting character who could be labeled as a "supervillain", and no supeheroes at all. Similarly, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has become a pretty thrilling series by ditching a lot of the superhero tropes and embracing the paranoid spy thriller vibe seeded by Winter Soldier. The effect and implications of superpowered beings on the world is still a major part of the show, but the plot is driven more by the paranoia/spy themes, which I think works nicely.

And of course a lot of diversity comes from Marvel and DC comics themselves: you have books like Superman or Spider-Man that still focus on straightforward superheroics, but also books like Gotham Central or Guardians of the Galaxy, which still take place in the shared superhero universe, but the genre is something else (police procedural and space opera, respectively), I was glad that the GotG movie openly embraced the vibe of the Abnett/Lanning comics and didn't even try to be a superhero story instead of a space opera: it had way more in common with Fifth Element than with Spider-Man or Captain America. So I think the way superhero movies could/should diversify is by adapting all these lesser known comics that work in different genres, and GotG proved you can do that successfully, so hopefully the studios will take the hint.

Tuomas, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:08 (four years ago) Permalink

and didn't even try to be a superhero story instead of a space opera

There weren't any capes, but this is the smallest difference imaginable compared with, say, Gotham Central.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 April 2015 11:17 (four years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

SPIDER-MAN GETS ANIMATED AND DATED
WITH PHIL LORD & CHRISTOPHER MILLER AND SONY PICTURES ENTERTAINMENT

LAS VEGAS, Nev., April 22, 2015 – On July 20, 2018, Phil Lord & Christopher Miller, the directors of The Lego Movie, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, and 21 and 22 Jump Street, are taking Spider-Man back to his graphic roots with the first-of-its-kind animated Spider-Man feature, it was announced today at CinemaCon by Tom Rothman, chairman of the Sony Pictures Entertainment Motion Picture Group. The film will exist independently of the projects in the live-action Spider-Man universe, all of which are continuing.

Lord & Miller are masterminding the project, writing the treatment and producing the film.

As previously announced, Spider-Man will next appear in a live-action Marvel film from Marvel’s Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, a live-action film being produced by Kevin Feige at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago. The animated film from Lord & Miller, dated July 20, 2018, has Avi Arad, Matt Tolmach, and Pascal also serving as producers.

Number None, Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:50 (four years ago) Permalink

four different big-screen interpretations of spider-man in 16 years seems like a record that will be hard to top

cloudy with a chance of meatballs is a straight-up masterpiece tho so i guess i'lll give them the benefit fo the doubt for now

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017

What does this mean? Are they still going to have part 3 of the shitty reboot with Andrew Garfield? I thought that had been put out of its misery.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink

rebooting again, iirc

mh, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Has anyone made a movie about how Spider-man got his powers yet?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Still the best Spider-Man movie:

http://media.giphy.com/media/7isbcNAx367qU/giphy.gif

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:31 (four years ago) Permalink

xp So that'll be 5 in 16 years?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:33 (four years ago) Permalink

i think the spidey in the 2017 live-action movie will be making his debut in an mcu movie, so still 'just' four in 16 years

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:36 (four years ago) Permalink

Huh, that strikes me as something that would require a million lawyers - but I suppose both sides might have a half-million to spare.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:39 (four years ago) Permalink

iirc the leaked sony emails suggested the studio hadn't got a clue what to do next with the spidey licence and were willing to work more closely with marvel to something out

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:41 (four years ago) Permalink

to work something out

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:41 (four years ago) Permalink

They need to treat him more like James Bond, just do a new, unrelated adventure every couple of years and stop giving a shit about continuity.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

but how will we know his origin?!?

mh, Thursday, 23 April 2015 15:47 (four years ago) Permalink

so if dc and marvel get their wish, we'll have two batman and two spider-man franchises in theaters for the 2020s

da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm curious just what marvel has planned after AVENGERS GUARDIANS COSMIC KABOOM TIME but if they get to there without fucking up it doesn't matter if the next movie is ANT-MAN VS DOCTOR STRANGE: WORLD DESTRUCTION they've won hollywood

da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:35 (four years ago) Permalink

they'll reboot, we'll get all-new origin stories and they'll start the slog to COSMIC KABOOM TIME all over again

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:39 (four years ago) Permalink

assuming X-MEN: APOCALYPSE does well, there will even be precedent for launching your reboot inside the previous ensemble's last dance

da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:42 (four years ago) Permalink

while there's slight precedents like Bond (which really doesn't come up enough when people write about hollywood churning out globally minded bombast) i feel like marvel's actually heading towards an unprecedented place in hollywood where the quality level has been consistent, the cast hasn't changed, and people are just starting to experience fatigue

da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:46 (four years ago) Permalink

obv the hope is that for every 40+ who says "fuck it, i'm out" a new 10+ says "this shit is AMAZING!" and also buys the toys

da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:47 (four years ago) Permalink

xxp Well, that launched entirely separately, in fairness - more like Star Trek Generations in a baton-handing exercise.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:48 (four years ago) Permalink

only patrick stewart wasn't playing captain kirk

da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 16:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Saw AoU earlier.

No spoilers but it seems incredibly novel to have a film open in the UK before it does Stateside. It's obviously much better these days but we used to have to wait months before we got to see films over here.

groovypanda, Friday, 24 April 2015 21:19 (four years ago) Permalink

You cld spoil whether or not you liked it tho?

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 24 April 2015 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

Enjoyable film without reaching the highs of the first one, much darker and probably not so family friendly but still lots of fun moments. Would like to see the extended version though as a couple of scenes lacked explanation and there was lots of foreshadowing upcoming movies.

Oh and there's only one post credit scene so you won't need to stay til the very end.

groovypanda, Friday, 24 April 2015 22:48 (four years ago) Permalink

Thanks

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 24 April 2015 22:50 (four years ago) Permalink

No spoilers but it seems incredibly novel to have a film open in the UK before it does Stateside.

marvel movies have opened a week earlier in the uk than the us for at least a couple of years now

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 24 April 2015 23:37 (four years ago) Permalink

And in Addis Abeba

new policy seems to be that the int'l release is a week or two before US dates, not sure why that policy but have gotten many films here before friends back in US have had a chance to see 'em. Problem is, most of the films are not ones I have an interest in seeing

H in Addis, Saturday, 25 April 2015 06:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Looks like the extended version is happening then. Will be interesting to see what they cut out although I assume it will definitely include [redacted].

groovypanda, Monday, 27 April 2015 08:33 (four years ago) Permalink

the theatrical version feels pretty rushed, which is quite an achievement at 141 minutes. an extended cut might actually make it a good bit more coherent.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 27 April 2015 10:46 (four years ago) Permalink

It seemed overly schematic - now we punch, now we feel, meet back in 20 minutes for some punching.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 27 April 2015 11:53 (four years ago) Permalink

don't forget the shoehorned-in setups for a couple of the next solo movies

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 27 April 2015 11:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Except for Ant-Man of course (which given Hank Pym's role in the comics seemed slightly odd).

groovypanda, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:03 (four years ago) Permalink

so I watched Captain America: Winter Soldier over the weekend and... man these movies just aren't for me. Felt misled by all the "70s political thriller" talk around this one, when really the only similarity is some government conspiracy window-dressing. Otherwise it hits all the standard action movie beats - the initial fight scene, the setup of the central conflict, the initial defeat, the turnabout, the car chase etc etc. It was foolish of me to expect some kind of talky, low-key homage to "3 Days of the Condor" cuz duh why would Marvel ever allow that to happen when there are generic black-suited clad soldier thugs to be tossed around and CGI things to blow up and pithy one-liners to be delivered. The only sequence that piqued my interest was reel-to-reel Toby Jones booting up and of course that was just a throwaway bit. Again had the feeling that nothing was at stake. Of course nobody is actually going to die, and of course there is a total lack of normal/average people (even as background) to give any sense that the threat of Hydra has any real weight to it beyond providing a conflict for our heroes to resolve. These all stem from my basic disinterest in how "action" movies became codified since the early 80s with Schwarzennegger/Gibson/Stallone/Willis - I'm just bored by the tropes, the motions, the staging, the fight scenes, the explosions, pretty much everything about them. It's been noted here before but these are essentially standard action movies with fancier costumes and as such that doesn't leave much for me to enjoy.

anyway having come to this realization I have to say Dud overall.

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

okay so the new one's pretty good. story is meh, but it's just enough to hang some great scenes and set pieces on. some good zingers, some good character moments. some great cheadle scene heists. all the cgi has real heft to it, which is saying something.

this ultron is a different ultron than the one you might know from the funnybooks. spader makes him work. the vision is believable, which is saying something, and he gets one solid scene.

all in all, extraordinarily well-crafted and utterly forgettable. on to ant-man and panther i guess.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 06:42 (four years ago) Permalink

all the cgi has real heft to it

Counterpoint: Starting off with a massively fake-looking Thor in the first fight really threw me. The rest was pretty good though.

The nose- and lip-less Ultron, and some of his swagger, reminded me of Bill Nighy's Davey Jones.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 07:31 (four years ago) Permalink

the thing i appreciated most about it, post-man of steel, is that the avengers spend most of the third act very visibly trying to save lives instead of mindlessly smashing their way through buildings filled with thousands of people

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 08:46 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah that quite clearly a direct response to Man of Steel

Number None, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 09:33 (four years ago) Permalink

clearly inferior to the first one, but nevertheless just SO MUCH FUN - i couldn't possibly imagine anyone else playing Thor or the Cap. the casting is the absolute key to these.
really fun to see with an audience of 50% kids/young teens too - kids fucking love the Hulk.

the bit with a certain character and the hammer got the loudest audience reaction actually, and that wasn't fighty fighty at all. fun fun fun.

jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:26 (four years ago) Permalink

a couple across the aisle from me let out this astounded gasp at that bit and everyone in the cinema laughed at them

Number None, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:36 (four years ago) Permalink

That couple OTM!

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:40 (four years ago) Permalink

it's a great bit

Number None, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:40 (four years ago) Permalink

yep - really top-notch craft and payoff on that

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:50 (four years ago) Permalink

and yeah actually point taken - the hammer, throughout, is the exception to the massy CGI rule

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Seeing this Thursday night — I idly wondered if there would be a midnight show, so I checked Fandango. Turns out the cinema isn't even waiting until midnight, so we're going to the 2D screening at 8. (I wouldn't have gone to a midnight show, btw.)

WilliamC, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:59 (four years ago) Permalink

I think movie studios realize the midnight release thing was great, but it was depriving them of even more income by releasing a few hours earlier. I can't wait until it goes full cycle through the week and they start releasing on Friday again.

ultimate american sock (mh), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 22:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Martin Freeman confirmed for Cap 3.

WilliamC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:48 (four years ago) Permalink

should start working out right now

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Heh. I'm guessing president or other pol behind Registration Act.

WilliamC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:58 (four years ago) Permalink

i was thinking the porcupine

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:59 (four years ago) Permalink

"Fant4stic II" grebt movie title

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Fantastic Fourtuitussle

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

well these things aren't gonna any less crowded

Set for release in the United States on May 6, 2016, “Captain America: Civil War” is directed by Anthony and Joe Russo (Marvel’s “Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” “Community”) from a screenplay by Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely (“Captain America: The Winter Solider,” Marvel’s “Captain America: The First Avenger”). The film returns Chris Evans (“Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” Marvel’s “Avengers: Age of Ultron”) as the iconic Super Hero character Steve Rogers/Captain America along with Robert Downey Jr. (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” Marvel’s “Iron Man 3”) as Tony Stark/Iron Man, Scarlett Johansson (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”) as Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow, Sebastian Stan (“Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” “Captain America: The First Avenger”) as Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, Anthony Mackie (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”) as Sam Wilson/Falcon, Paul Bettany (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” “Iron Man 3”) as The Vision, Jeremy Renner (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” Marvel’s “The Avengers”) as Clint Barton/Hawkeye, Don Cheadle (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” “Iron Man 3”) as Jim Rhodes/War Machine and Elizabeth Olsen (“Avengers: Age of Ultron,” “Godzilla”) as Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch.

After his debut in Marvel’s “Ant-Man” on July 17, 2015, Paul Rudd (“Ant-Man,” ”Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues”) will make his first appearance alongside the Avengers as Scott Lang/Ant-Man in “Captain America: Civil War.”

The film also includes outstanding additional cast, including Chadwick Boseman (“42,” “Get on Up”) as T’Challa/Black Panther, Emily VanCamp (“Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” “Revenge”) as Sharon Carter/Agent 13, Daniel Brühl (“Inglourious Basterds,” “Bourne Ultimatum”), Frank Grillo (“Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” “Warrior”) as Brock Rumlow/Crossbones, William Hurt (“A History of Violence,” Marvel’s “The Incredible Hulk”) as General Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross and Martin Freeman (“The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey,” “The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies”).

“Captain America: Civil War” picks up where “Avengers: Age of Ultron” left off, as Steve Rogers leads the new team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers while they try to protect the world from a new and nefarious villain.

Number None, Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:22 (four years ago) Permalink

woah an incredible hulk callback

da croupier, Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

that might beat the return of bow wow and lucas black to the fast furious franchise for near-admirable No Episode Left Behind bone-throwing

da croupier, Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

lotta inverted commas and parentheses there jesus

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

i saw avengers 2 tuesday night and i kept thinking about how much fun it would be if marvel got back their f4 + x-men rights and did a secret war movie

Mordy, Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

so they've got thunderbolt ross but no mention of the ruff stuff

da croupier, Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Missing u, Liv.

Doggy McBaby (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 May 2015 17:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Never has such a silly movie been so boring, recent star wars films aside. Toneless (aside from self-serious), bloated, exhausting and unfun, the whole thing. Mark Ruffalo was the only one who didn't seem bored, RDJ was unusually lazy. Jeremy Renner didn't raise an eyebrow between sniping robots and telling his pregnant wife he'll build that addition to the nursery when he gets back from saving the world, one last time. An hour too long. But also the one marvel movie where the dialogue dragged less then the action.

That party scene in the first third was highly watchable, a half dozen mega-stars squirming through their wink wink one liners in a sad and increasingly uncomfortable attempt to establish they're just a couple of bros, underneath the tights. Sharing a few brews in the lounge while trading stories about that one time in Asgard with the staff and the demi-god. Yet to see a filmmaking team who can not make it completely awkward.

Despite packing in more digression's on morality per half hour then any piece of popular entertainment I can remember, this is a movie lacking anything resembling soul or heart or humanity. Professions of love and camaraderie emerge lifelessly from every major character. There's a lot of ive-got-your-back/knowing nods to each other in the midst of battle that fail to even reach enjoyable corniness because they're so devoid of playfulness.

No memorable action scenes either, or anything resembling a thrill in them. Lots of spinning cameras and slow mo cgi while people yammer on their earpieces to each other. Marvel costume department also meets the low bar set for itself, wtf is Hawkeye wearing? Quicksilver modelling yoga apparel, scarlett witch teenage rebellion.

Audiences deserve better from a summer blockbuster imho.

dutch_justice, Monday, 11 May 2015 03:24 (four years ago) Permalink

still loads better than most summer blockbusters tbh

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 11 May 2015 06:56 (four years ago) Permalink

Sometimes the more someone types "worst ever," "most since forever" etc the less you actually believe they see a lot of movies

da croupier, Monday, 11 May 2015 07:53 (four years ago) Permalink

That said I love the irony of an avengers pan full of hollow melodramatic language

da croupier, Monday, 11 May 2015 07:57 (four years ago) Permalink

In fairness, the party scene with a half-dozen megastars is the rock on which nearly every other film-making team has floundered.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 11 May 2015 08:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Are they really megastars? Downey and Johansson maybe, but Cheadle and Ruffalo are perennial supporting actors, and the others are basically famous only because they play superheroes in these movies.

Marvel movies in general aren't flawless, but I think casting has been one of their strongest points, pretty much every main character embodies their roles really well, except maybe for Renner and Johansson, who are kinda bland. (Johansson was actually pretty good in Winter Soldier, but that movie gave her a meatier role than Avengers 2.)

Tuomas, Monday, 11 May 2015 12:49 (four years ago) Permalink

While the hulk/widow story was not unaffecting for me, I completely understand the pain people are having seeing ScarJo spend so much of this movie making googoo eyes knowing no spinoff is on the horizon, esp post winter soldier

Was really in the right mental space for this movie and loved it.

da croupier, Monday, 11 May 2015 13:29 (four years ago) Permalink

is that natalie dorners brother bc he look like her

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 15 May 2015 00:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Is that confirmed now? He was pretty good in Hugo and Ender's Game and I know they were looking for someone who was actually a teenager for a change.

groovypanda, Friday, 15 May 2015 05:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Man, they're never gonna do Grown-Assed Spider-Man, are they?

turlte party (how's life), Friday, 15 May 2015 10:10 (four years ago) Permalink

“Marvel is courting Selma filmmaker Ava DuVernay to direct one of its diverse superhero movies.... Insiders suggest that Black Panther, due first in July 2018, is the most likely possibility.”

http://www.thewrap.com/marvel-courting-ava-duvernay-to-direct-diverse-superhero-movie-exclusive/

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 May 2015 15:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One in Strange — maybe.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tilda-swinton-talks-join-benedict-798348

Carly Furiosa (WilliamC), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I used to want a Dr. Strange movie but now I don't anymore tbh

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 19:55 (three years ago) Permalink

It's going to take a little shoehorning to fit Strange mysticism into the sleek teched-up vision of the MCU. The Thor films run into that problem as well. It suddenly occurred to me that an unmentioned but close comparable to the MCU is Doc Smith's "Lensmen" series.

Carly Furiosa (WilliamC), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

I would be down with Ancient One Tilda; that's good casting

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 20:18 (three years ago) Permalink

They were doing pretty well with the 'in my realm technology and magic are one and the same' thing until the mystical pool of whatever showed up in Avengers 2.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 20:18 (three years ago) Permalink

way to look for a Tibetan actor Hollywood

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 21:45 (three years ago) Permalink

RUH-OH

That's an interesting Civil War rumour.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:16 (three years ago) Permalink

With love and respect, fuck off if you're not going to tell us what it is.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:21 (three years ago) Permalink

"Are they really megastars? Downey and Johansson maybe, but Cheadle and Ruffalo are perennial supporting actors, and the others are basically famous only because they play superheroes in these movies."

Not sure I would call them megastars, but Evans, Renner, Ruffalo, Cheadle, Jackson are all very recognizable actors who have a fair resumes outside of these films. Hemsworth is the only one who could credibly be said to be famous initially due to his Thor casting, but he's been in quite a bit since then and he's from a "ooh sexy young Aussie star family" to boot.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:34 (three years ago) Permalink

"fair resumes" /= megastars

is the thing

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Ok Andrew, since you asked so nicely.

William Hurt is back as General Ross. But he might also be playing Ross' current alter-ego. The Rulk.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:38 (three years ago) Permalink

If he doesn't punch The Watcher I'll be disappointed, but seemingly he just punches The Hulk. "Like the Hulkbuster fight, but bigger."

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

god bless Ruffalo, but he is no megastar.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess I am not even sure who is a megastar anymore, but Avengers cast feels like a lot of pretty big egos at this point.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Downey, as noted, couldn't get the public to get much of an interest in The Judge. They're none of them a Bogart, or even Schwarzenegger - which is definitely to the Avengers's benefit.

(The closest is probably Jackson? But his egalitarian approach to what he'll appear in means very few people are going to turn up just because it's his name on a film)

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:41 (three years ago) Permalink

xp thank you, Aldo! I would go see that (but then I will go see it anyway)

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Even huge stars are in bombs that no one wants to see. Look back over Stallone's 80s filmography to see a choice few.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Although I guess the Judge was supposedly kinda good whereas Over The Top is uh not (or at best is good very ironically).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 21:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Rilliam Rurt as Ruh Rulk

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Given only the choices of classic or dud it was impossible to vote for the first, so I was forced to vote the second.

Aimless, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 02:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Spidey choice allegedly down to final 3 but Marvel & Sony can't agree:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/06/12/spider-man-rumor-asa-butterfield-no-longer-in-the-running-to-star?

groovypanda, Friday, 12 June 2015 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I assume we've all seen the news about Chiwetel Ejiofor playing Baron Mordo?

No Darts Or Chasms In The Classroom (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:28 (three years ago) Permalink

No dormammu?

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Rosie O'Donnell as Dormammu

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:02 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 16 July 2015 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 17 July 2015 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEyMv-F9Y5c

dutch_justice, Friday, 17 July 2015 00:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Really curious about when people voted for this now - there would be a point (prob. after Guardians of the Galaxy) when I'd have expected it to be a landslide - even now, Age of Ultron stands head and shoulders above EG Jurassic World and Terminator Genisys as well-made blockbusters.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 July 2015 10:57 (three years ago) Permalink

All three of those are well-enough made blockbusters, in the sense that Golden Grahams is a well-made breakfast cereal, but none of them are particularly strong movies. JP is entertaining despite itself, T5 no one was asking for, which leaves AoU the only disappointment, relatively speaking. There were a lot of expectations, and especially in hindsight I'm not sure many really feel it lived up to them.

Does Ant-Man open this weekend? I have no idea if anyone expects *anything* from that one. Though given my track record, maybe it will beat Jurassic World at the BO.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 July 2015 12:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Quite good word of mouth on Ant Man so far.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 17 July 2015 12:12 (three years ago) Permalink

The other two are terrible whenever anyone opens their mouths, which I don't feel should be a forgiveable fault in blockbusters. But then, most of the blockbusters I've seen over the last ten years have been - Marvel!

(No idea what disappointment has to do with anything except to underline that the general standard of MCU films is quite high).

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 July 2015 12:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Ant Man is the first superhero movie in a while I actually have an interest in seeing. From what I've read, it's basically going to be a heist movie, which is to me is likely to be much more enjoyable than the typical people with superpowers punching each other (although I realize there will also be some of that in this movie).

silverfish, Friday, 17 July 2015 12:49 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Wellllp, the FF reviews are coming in, and it looks like an even bigger dud than I would've imagined.

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 01:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I like the cast, but the trailer looks so flat, like more Divergent/ YA fiction than superheroey. so I wasnt sure how it wd go over

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 August 2015 01:49 (three years ago) Permalink

the director has already disowned it

https://twitter.com/joshuatrank/status/629467936793559040

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2015 01:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I never know how to feel abt that

Part of me feels like it's shitty to do that on release day. I totally get that that is a thing that happens & franchises are unwieldy beasts & movies are made by committee now but also...its not an indie movie & he knew that going in and hes not the only person who worked on the movie & maybe he should own his part in the end result instead of bragging NOW about the awesome unseen version he made? idk.

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 August 2015 02:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Since that's apparently been deleted

https://twitter.com/SamuelAAdams/status/629474307140415488

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2015 02:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I'd like to be thread fascist and point out that this isn't MCU, but I'm not surprised no-one made a thread just for it - most of the discussion seems to have been in the Star Wars 7 thread!

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 7 August 2015 05:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Also yeah, by all accounts a lousy lousy film - 100 minutes long but they don't get their powers until after the first hour, missing most of the footage people were interested in (including the Thing-drop from the trailer), and establishing that "it's clobbering time" is actually something Ben Grimm's abusive older brother used to say below beating him up as a kid.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 7 August 2015 05:49 (three years ago) Permalink

i do feel for the guy. matt zoller seitz kinda poignant here:

I have no idea why this movie is so terrible, only that it is terrible ... It's as if somebody took two pretty-decent feature length movies, broke them into pieces, and re-edited them into one film, but without any discernible plan beyond "get this down to 90 minutes." This is not a shortness issue, though. It's an everything issue ... The Marvel factory is indeed a factory, stamping out pre-sold intellectual property widgets with movie stars and the best visual effects that money can buy, but even their least ambitious products work. This one doesn't. It's defective, a discard, a huge ball of metal and plastic and spandex, all fused together. It's impossible to tell what it was supposed to be.

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Friday, 7 August 2015 06:05 (three years ago) Permalink

(of course the tone of that tweet is why we have the word unprofessional)

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Friday, 7 August 2015 06:09 (three years ago) Permalink

"it's clobbering time" is actually something Ben Grimm's abusive older brother used to say

did Mark Millar write this movie?

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 7 August 2015 06:16 (three years ago) Permalink

well he is responsible for the overall direction of the Fox superhero movies

Number None, Friday, 7 August 2015 06:22 (three years ago) Permalink

9% on Rotten Tomatoes now!

Number None, Friday, 7 August 2015 06:24 (three years ago) Permalink

FF 'TRANKS' AT BOX OFFICE

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 7 August 2015 06:35 (three years ago) Permalink

In actual MCU "news," the cinematographer for Dr. Strange says it's going to be "dark" and "psychedelic." I'm going to be more interested in the sound design, myself. (Hoping for Lynchian/Spletian)

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Finally a dark take on comic book heroes.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Could be appropriate in this case. I hope they showcase actual demons and Mindless Ones and other weird Lovecraftian shit.

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i want ditko strange goddammit, give me dali-esque backgrounds and slim, squinting men

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:49 (three years ago) Permalink

i want ditko strange goddammit

it's off to the "out of context" thread we go

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Would have been more interesting if he'd said bright and psychedelic instead of dark and psychedelic, but 100+ micrograms of Ditko is called for either way.

xp lol

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:52 (three years ago) Permalink

what can i say, i like em slim and squinting

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 7 August 2015 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

i think seitz knows this wasn't made by the marvel factory, but as he never mentions fox in the piece i think it could be clearer

da croupier, Friday, 7 August 2015 16:04 (three years ago) Permalink

fuckin bananas that they don't get their powers until more than half-way into the movie

da croupier, Friday, 7 August 2015 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

AFAICT, the new FF movie essentially exists for the same reason that the original Corman FF does. Has there ever been a rights-retention spite production that was also a decent movie?

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 16:11 (three years ago) Permalink

also fuckin bananas that ACTION SEQUENCES in the trailer aren't in the movie - supercurious to know why one would decide cut those out of a superhero movie

da croupier, Friday, 7 August 2015 16:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Fox's screenwriters and Marvel's publishing-side writers are all realizing the same thing, that in the post-Watchmen post-Bendis post-Millar landscape, the basic concept of the FF has too many dumb parts that require too much suspension of disbelief. A lot of the best FF stories from the last ten years have been sort of solo adventures with the rest of the family as bit players (given an infinite number of Reeds, some of them are going to turn out evil; Johnny spends a year dead in the Negative Zone for tax purposes). Franklin and Valeria are more interesting than the actual FF. There hasn't been a really great Ben Grimm story since "This Man This Monster" that I can recall, and he hasn't even shown up in Secret Wars (unless Doom is sitting on him). The character with the really interesting power set, Sue Richards, hasn't been developed that way she should because "lol girls, that won't sell" though hopefully that's changing.

#NERD

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Friday, 7 August 2015 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Nahhh, the FF aren't my favorite but they're generally only bad when they're mishandled by writers/creators who don't understand their strengths. The comics have been fairly strong for the better part of a decade now. I do agree that the emphasis on Franklin and Valeria is one of the best developments of late.

As far as the movie is concerned, Ultimate FF was probably the wrong source material to tap into, as it never really seemed to find it's footing or a voice of its own and no one's arc ever panned out in a way that was satisfactory to me (besides the interesting take on Evil Reed, which was never gonna make it into the movie).

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 19:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I think the best route to take with some of these books that have been around forever like FF and Spider-Man is to expand and relegate focus onto a strong supporting cast as much as possible.

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 19:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I think the best route to take with some of these books is to put the origin story in the first 10 minutes and then get on with the superheroing, or at least put some superheroing into the movie well before you hit the 60 minute mark

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 7 August 2015 19:53 (three years ago) Permalink

I've seen more than a few reviews that suggest the movie doesn't really get going until the last ten minutes or so...

Off Pudding (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 August 2015 19:57 (three years ago) Permalink

lol that is an excellent way to plot a movie

u_u

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 August 2015 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

I've been thinking they should have done it like Hickman's arc where one of them was supposed to die. Just an ungodly amount of happenings in fifty dimensions at once, where they all have to travel at the same time. Focus on the adventure, on the excitement. And loads of time-travel. They should get Stephen Moffat to write it.

Frederik B, Friday, 7 August 2015 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

But again the kids (at least to me) were often the most interesting part of that and I can't figure how put that on the big screen (though admittedly I haven't given it too much thought).

tsrobodo, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Not of that particular arc, though, right? They took over later, when it became the FF Foundation. Though of course, what I really want is an FF adaptation, with Dragon Man and all the rest. I have no idea who anybody was, but it was so charming.

Frederik B, Friday, 7 August 2015 21:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Aah right, I only caught the latter part of it and got it confused with Fraction's run.

tsrobodo, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

They should have saved the FF for Marvel Zombies.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 August 2015 22:16 (three years ago) Permalink

kinda bummed that teller comes off like an asshole, he seems like a very good actor

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:01 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

um so the "MAN THING" movie is streaming on hulu now and i watched about twenty minutes, it is amazingly bad

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 16:20 (three years ago) Permalink

wow i seriously never even heard of that

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 27 August 2015 16:51 (three years ago) Permalink

it was a placeholder to keep the rights, came out before marvel became MARVEL (but they have the now iconic opening credit sequence)... it is hot garbage

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:04 (three years ago) Permalink

never commercially released, here is a fan built trailer that is spot on with the general feel and the plot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTUL1GWbrRw

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

it's sorta Vertigo presents True Detective s3

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Between this and Howard the Duck why has the ghost of Steve Gerber not returned to wreak a terrible vengeance?

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:12 (three years ago) Permalink

aww, that's sort of adorable.

like i could imagine it being an actually lame-but-okay shitty TV series.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 27 August 2015 17:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Has to be called Giant Sized Man Thing though.

suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Thursday, 27 August 2015 18:14 (three years ago) Permalink

tbh that's been on my band name list for like ever

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 August 2015 00:53 (three years ago) Permalink

that was the name of my nascent aborted band many years ago

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 August 2015 05:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Size not Sized

The weird thing about that terrible Man Thing movie is that does feature quite a lot of stuff drawn from the Gerber comics, including this character:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/faschist.htm

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 28 August 2015 08:16 (three years ago) Permalink

omg

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 28 August 2015 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

He was briefly immortal, until he was killed. He was immune to the effects of aging, but not the effects of burning.

I will also be immortal until i die btw

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 16:02 (three years ago) Permalink

i think you have to assume they want him for baron mordo and i approve

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 August 2015 05:36 (three years ago) Permalink

huh, go figure: they already have a mordo. so dormammu?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Doctor-Strange-Wants-Mads-Mikkelsen-Get-Details-79587.html

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 August 2015 05:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Mikkelsen’s exact role remains under wraps, but sources say he will be another antagonist to Cumberbatch’s titular sorcerer.

sounds dormammish to me. i guess there's also mephisto speculation but that seems like a box of frogs MCUwise.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 29 August 2015 06:42 (three years ago) Permalink

If Mikkelsen was Mephisto, it'd be like a remake of Constantine, with Tilda Swinton playing the mentor to the eponymous sorcerer and a well-known Scandinavian character playing the devil!

Tuomas, Monday, 31 August 2015 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

"Scandinavian character actor"

Tuomas, Monday, 31 August 2015 17:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Constantine was better than it had any right to be

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 31 August 2015 17:48 (three years ago) Permalink

I agree, it's pretty much the best live-action DC comic movie made, alongside Batman Returns. If only they'd cast a proper English actor in the lead role and gotten rid of the boring sidekick, it would've been perfect.

Tuomas, Monday, 31 August 2015 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Cumberbatch is gonna be American in Dr. Strange? Has he player Americans before?

Tuomas, Monday, 31 August 2015 18:11 (three years ago) Permalink

smaug is from grand rapids iirc

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 31 August 2015 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I'd like to think that they didn't discover Benedict's irredeemably-awful and previously-unattempted American accent until after he'd already been cast.

Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Monday, 31 August 2015 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

"Howdy, y'all, I'm Doctor Strange!"

Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Monday, 31 August 2015 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Marvel Studios tells the publishing-side Creative Committee "you can keep your story notes to yourself, thanks."
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09/02/marvel-creative-committee-disbanded/

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 22:32 (three years ago) Permalink

i didn't realize the comic was that nuts. still a little alarmist - from what i understand age of ultron had little to do with that comic - and this tickled me:

As had been pointed out by many people, by the time Civil War comes out, there will be 11 heroes in the MCU: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, the Falcon, Black Panther, War Machine, the Vision, the Winter Soldier and Spider-Man.

dude forgot ant-man, daredevil, and one of the 12 heroes he listed

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 02:50 (three years ago) Permalink

apparently in the comics "age of ultron" heavily involved time travel. so it's not like there's no precedent for simplifying things rewardingly.

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 02:52 (three years ago) Permalink

AoU movie had absolutely nothing to do with AoU comic. So getting pre-alarmist about Civil War based on the comic is kinda dumb.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 September 2015 02:56 (three years ago) Permalink

it'll suck for its own reasons, not because the comic sucked.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 3 September 2015 03:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Cap's position is going to have to be different, as the MCU hasn't really be bothering with secret identities.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 3 September 2015 08:15 (three years ago) Permalink

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D has more superheroes (and more concerns about secrecy), but I'm assuming this works in tiers like the old Star Wars continuity - films don't have to acknowledge whatever happens in TV (is anyone saying Daredevil will actually turn up?).

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 September 2015 08:50 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure he will turn up in a Marvel movie at some point.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I think we already know that Civil War the movie will much closer to Civil War the comic than Age of Ultron was to the comic, since it's been revealed the movie is about a superhero civil war and Cap and Iron Man will be the main antagonists. I can't imagine they'll be fighting over the superhuman registration act, as Chap points out, it doesn't make much sense in the MCU. Presumably Civil War will continue the theme of "security at what cost?" that was present in both Winter Soldier and AoU... So Tony will probably still want to improve his drone army and use that to protect people, maybe as a new director of the new SHIELD (or a post-SHIELD organization like HAMMER)... Where as Cap will against that based on his experiences on HYDRA and SHIELD in Winter Soldier. That way they can keep the main ideological conflict from the comic (security vs. liberty), but the reason for the conflict will be organic to the movies.

Tuomas, Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:12 (three years ago) Permalink

i think the civil war movie is going to suck if they try to keep to the comic story.

while writhing in agony over the past few days, i tried to make a tally of every marvel character or collective (not like "star wars" or kick ass or anything tangential like that but core universe characters) whose name has thus far been included in a feature film since 1970, because that's how i do my pain management: making pointless mental lists. here's what I came up with:

punisher
spiderman
wolverine
x-men
avengers
thor
iron man
hulk
ant man
guardians of the galaxy
fantastic four
daredevil
blade
ghost rider
elektra
man-thing
silver surfer (cheating a bit here but his name was on the marquee)
ultron (ditto)
winter soldier (same)

with Gambit, Apocalypse, Deadpool, Doc Strange, Black Panther, Spider Woman (maybe?), Captain Marvel and The Inhumans on tap for the next four years as films.

They've also done Generation X (1996, who knew!), Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter on the teevee (and Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones on the way on Netflix) and cartoons (or varying release breadth) for Loki, Doctor Strange, Spider Woman, Black Panther, Black Widow, The Inhumans, Sabretooth and The Eternals.

So what's obviously missing for them to make money on? Punisher reboot is happening in the Daredevil Netflix series so they'll likely add him over there; I imagine Shang-Chi will do the same. Namor is tied up in rights issues. I want a Damage Control series. Black Widow is overdue for a feature before Scar Jo ages out of the character. Who is even left? Ka-Zar and the Savage Land?

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Power Pack.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:01 (three years ago) Permalink

i think we need to keep in mind that the io9 civil war article was written by rob bricken, who is afaict a total fuckin' idiot

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:22 (three years ago) Permalink

The YA titles: Young Avengers, Runaways, Avengers Academy, Generation Hope.

Would obv. love a NextWave movie, will obv. also never see one.

There's some GotG-type cosmic heroes that will now only be seen in GotG sequels - Nova, Adam Warlock - the same way that most of Asgard will be only in Thor films (would quite like to see a low-level "Loki in NYC sitcom" but v. little chance).

Villain films in general - was there talk of a Sinister Six film?

Marvel Zombies, medieval S.H.I.E.L.D, X-Force, Gaiman's 1602, Squirrel Girl / Patsy Hellcat Walker, Planet Hulk.

Howard the Duck missing from your line-up - hang your feverish head!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Villain films in general - was there talk of a Sinister Six film?

Yeah, the end of Amazing S-M 2 was essentially a cliffhanger for one, got nixed when Fox's Spiderverse collapsed due to lack of interest.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Marvel might want to make a movie based on the new Ms. Marvel? AFAIK the comic has been a surprise hit, especially among those who don't otherwise read too many superhero comics, because it's not mired in continuity and doesn't have some of the worst indulgencies of American mainstream comics (no tits & ass). Besides the upcoming Spider-Man movie, they haven't really tried the teen hero approach, and since they've been criticized for the majority of their heroes being straight white men, doing a movie where the protagonist is a teenage Pakistani girl would obviously be a good choice.

Tuomas, Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, I think Avengers Academy would make for a great, soapy TV series (college drama meets the MCU), but the powers of the protagonists and the villains might be too expensive to do on TV. (And obviously they couldn't use Hank Pym as the headmaster.)

Tuomas, Thursday, 3 September 2015 11:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Avengers Academy would make for a great, soapy TV series (college drama meets the MCU),

I just...this sounds like the worst idea for a tv show ever, worse than Manimal Rides Supertrain.

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Thursday, 3 September 2015 12:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey, that sky high movie wasn't too bad on a relatively meagre budget (n.b. I haven't seen it since I was 14)

tsrobodo, Thursday, 3 September 2015 12:39 (three years ago) Permalink

It worked well in the comic, why not in a TV series?

(xpost)

Tuomas, Thursday, 3 September 2015 12:40 (three years ago) Permalink

I just hate high school/college tv shows in general. (exceptions: V. Mars, Buffy)

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:16 (three years ago) Permalink

A lot of these characters would actually make great anchors for serialized tv shows, an obvious analog to comics, but the problem is the budgets are so huge that only a giant blockbuster can support the ambitions (as such) of the story. Daredevil was a wise choice for TV, because it's pretty low on tech and magic and shit, but many of the others would be prohibitively expensive to pull off well.

Damage Control would make a great TV series, especially to fill the gaps between movies. Could imagine, well, Joss Whedon having fun with it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Frankly, I might be cool with Marvel wrapping up phase 3, figuring out what worked and what didn't, and maybe whittling everything down to like one movie a year (although I think the current TV/Netflix setup, with something akin to a long-form anthology of revolving series, is a good one). The QC is sure to get spottier as they get more plates simultaneously spinning.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I've heard talk about closing it down after that, as the actors get too old, and rebooting everything after five years or so. But would the money let them?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:47 (three years ago) Permalink

then it'll be time to get those new universe movies up and running - owen wilson for star brand imo, open to suggestions for the cast of kickers, inc.

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 13:51 (three years ago) Permalink

imo there's no reason to reboot the mcu until the audience sags. granted, by the time they're all punching each other in space for the Infinity War the numbers may show that. In which case, sure, shut it down and take a nap. But if the box office is just cruising along and Dr Strange and Captain Marvel did well, just let RDJ take a nap and make Captain Marvel 2, Black Panther 2, bring out the Power Pack, etc etc.

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Hugh Jackman's gonna play Wolverine till he's nearly 50, so assuming they can afford their trainers, ScarJo and the Chrises still have another 15 years

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:34 (three years ago) Permalink

He's 46 now!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:35 (three years ago) Permalink

yup, and he's said he's gonna do one more film - hence "nearly 50"

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:38 (three years ago) Permalink

i think chris evans has said he'll be hanging up his shield after the infinity war movies are done

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:39 (three years ago) Permalink

if the audience is still there, they can just bring out the us agent in a Black Widow movie, etc etc. There's just no reason to reboot all these franchises at once before the audience says they're done. Esp since, if we've consistently thrown money at them through the infinity war, they'll have like a dozen franchises.

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:43 (three years ago) Permalink

they've already got bucky and the falcon as established characters, both of whom have picked up the captain america mantle in recent years, so they've got a couple of options for replacements after evans leaves

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:50 (three years ago) Permalink

ant-man loudly lost its director in pre-production, was about ANT-MAN and still did as well as Captain America 1, getting solid reviews. Which if you consider how much better The Winter Soldier did than Cap 1, suggests Ant-Man 2 is a distinct and potentially profitable option. So while it does not behoove Marvel to promise us films til the end of time, there's also no reasons (yet) for them to promise to stop.

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:54 (three years ago) Permalink

At this point I feel like "Marvel" is the brand moreso than any of the individual characters except Iron Man. So a gradual handoff to another Cap-like character seems totally viable IMO. One of the advantages of the big shared-universe concept is that you actually can sort of avoid the tedium of early reboots and re-origins, which I think has clearly hurt Spider-Man. You can do some of the lifting of introducing a new or replacement character within the big crossover movies, then maybe they can start their own movie just, like, on an adventure fighting stuff. So "spinoffs" can take the place of "reboots." This seems particularly workable for people like Cap where their powers are kinda generic and not super essential to the concept - very easy to do a handoff story where Evans bequeaths the mantle to a fresh face - "America needs a Captain America... America needs.... you!"

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:54 (three years ago) Permalink

At this point I feel like "Marvel" is the brand moreso than any of the individual characters except Iron Man.

yeah, this is otm. no way an ant-man movie would have succeeded in 2008 but people definitely know now that they loved guardians of the galaxy even although they had no idea who star-lord was so they're way more willing to take a chance of a movie about a small dude doing some robberies or some shit

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 14:58 (three years ago) Permalink

esp as the supporting cast gets simpsons-level huge, so that captain america 3 is really avengers 2.5, and black panther will basically be avengers 2.75.

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:02 (three years ago) Permalink

So what's obviously missing for them to make money on?

Cloak and Dagger, DUH

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

i feel like "what do they possibly have left to exploit" stopped being a valid question after they made 700m off the talking raccoon and tree

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Did anyone else who saw Ant Man just feel the air go right out of the theatre/movie when Falcon appeared? Like, he gets this dramatic intro, and no one gives a crap. Like we're supposed to be excited about Falcon, who may as well be called Captain Uncompelling.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:04 (three years ago) Permalink

nope

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, no.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I honestly think Damage Control would make a great one-off film, moreso than a miniseries - it's a cute enough quick-pitch concept, so it really just needs a team that knows how to do a charming high-concept comedy (rather than the super-action people) to work over the script and put some recognizable funny faces in it. That's one where the Marvel brand isn't even strictly necessary - you could have done that with totally generic superheroes seen from a distance or on shots of the TV news, since the gimmick is about the everyday Joes sifting through the rubble. Or it could be about the effort to get the company off the ground, as one guy with a big idea starts with just a shovel and a little red wagon or something.

And yeah, Runaways - that was also basically made to be a filmable concept from minute one, as is Vaughan's stock in trade. Really clear, trailer-ready concept, fantastic characters. Maybe it does depend on feeling like the universe is big enough that there could be these two-bit never-heard-of-em supervillains poking around, or maybe it really should not be set in the Marvel Universe at all.

I think they'd avoid Young Avengers and Power Pack though - anything clearly "... but it's kids!" feels like box office poison IMO.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:10 (three years ago) Permalink

They've apparently been kicking around an idea for a Runaways movie for a while. I think I initially read that it was supposed to happen just after phase one.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

they can always do power pack as an animated thing like big hero 6

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:14 (three years ago) Permalink

did they get the rights back to blade? If dr strange does well (And hey it might who knows) he - and ghost rider! - would be logical eventual reboots into Marvel Dark

da croupier, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

the falcon scene in ant-man was a dud but not because it featured the falcon, more that it was obviously a scene that had been shoehorned in after edgar wright left to tie the movie closer to the avengers. it was an embarassingly inept macguffin-hunt that added nothing at all to the story - basically a 'put the movie on hold for five minutes while we get an avenger in here' sequence.

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm all for another ghost rider movie as long as nic cage reprises his career-defining role as johnny blaze. and ghost rider pisses fire again, that was rad

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

animated power pack MIGHT work. just always feels pointless to do a "they're superheroes...but they're little kids!" thing. anybody over the age of 10 won't touch it, and anybody under the age of 10 is already perfectly happy with spider-man. there are plenty of demographics these movies should be trying to reach better, but i think they have little kids prettttty well sewn up.

rebooted blade is not a terrible idea, as reboots go. at least it's been a few years. not sure this universe really needs to have vampires in it but yeah, depends how dr. strange goes with mysticism stuff. apparently there was a blade TV series?! missed that completely.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Yes, rights have reverted on Blade, there are talks about doing something with him in the MCU. They should just go balls-out and do a Tomb of Dracula movie.

Simply Sensational (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I'd rather they do psychedelic Ditko Strange than Marvel Knights Strange but I expect they'll do the latter.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 3 September 2015 18:18 (three years ago) Permalink

The DP has already used the words "dark" and "psychedelic" so I guess it's going to be both? I haven't read the Marvel Knights Strange. Still say the sound design is going to be key here.

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Thursday, 3 September 2015 18:32 (three years ago) Permalink

also a lot of big flat expanses of color would be good.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 3 September 2015 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

i would've sworn on a bible i included howard in that list; blame the drugs.
cloak and dagger is a good idea, runaways is a good idea. if suicide squad does well (doubtful) i could see a sinister six/dark avengers/MODOK and AIM/Bring on the Bad Guys film greenlit.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 September 2015 23:42 (three years ago) Permalink

suicide squad looks half cool, half dour & leaden & heavy blahhh

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 September 2015 01:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i have written a treatment for a featherlight romcom starring modok does anyone have kevin feige's email

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 4 September 2015 08:24 (three years ago) Permalink

(why because he look intersting)

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 4 September 2015 08:29 (three years ago) Permalink

What girl does modok meet cuet

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

modam, or mental organism designed for amorous maneuvers

superia and the femizons will be her supporting cast of friends

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:15 (three years ago) Permalink

sold

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:24 (three years ago) Permalink

I love that she is a carbon copy of MODOK but with lipstick.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Friday, 4 September 2015 15:28 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.vulture.com/2015/09/hulk-ruffalo-civil-war.html

I believed that [Hulk] would be in the film, but at the end, it was evident that they needed to reveal that the Hulk did something very significant, and that Marvel wanted to use this in a more upfront [manner]. My character was inserted into the script, but it was later removed. Who knows, maybe Hulk will never return. However, [Marvel] want to keep the revelation of what happened a secret, because it is something truly significant.

^ this sounds like confirmation of World War Hulk to me

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 September 2015 15:28 (three years ago) Permalink

I love that she is a carbon copy of MODOK but with lipstick.

don't fuck with the formula!

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:37 (three years ago) Permalink

tbf she has boob armour too to further distinguish her from modok

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:42 (three years ago) Permalink

I would've given her little sticky-up pigtails.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 4 September 2015 15:46 (three years ago) Permalink

plz tell me at some point they make a MOTOT

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

mobile organism threatening only toddlers?

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 September 2015 15:51 (three years ago) Permalink

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/1658582-elvis_modok_575.jpg " class="noborder">

Elvis MODOK or gtfo.

suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Friday, 4 September 2015 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/klu824/BabyMODOK.jpg

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

awesome

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 16:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm glad they didn't shorten that to BABY DOK.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 4 September 2015 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't read all of Civil War but I feel like that IO9 column is taking an intentional thematic position from the story, namely that both opposing sides were seriously flawed from an ethical standpoint, and is treating it like it was an unintentional mistake that the writers had no idea they were inserting.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Always thought I'd read civil war but turns out it was actually this parody of it.
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/
But yeah that article is kinda silly. It takes the registration thing at face value and compares it to real life policy, as if anything about it makes sense in the context of a superhero comic.

The writers didn't know what to do with the vigilantism conceit underpinning everything that they'd ever written about before so they just kinda ignored it.

tsrobodo, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:55 (three years ago) Permalink

chris evans at least changing his pr game to "i love being cap"

http://collider.com/chris-evans-eager-to-extend-marvel-contract-past-avengers-4/

“Listen, if Marvel wants me they got me. I’ve never had such a relationship where you have such—I mean look at my resume, I’m used to being on set being like, ‘Ah is this movie gonna be terrible?’ Marvel just can’t stop making great movies, they do it in their sleep. It’s wonderful directors and producers and actors and scripts, and it’s like a playground as an actor.”

da croupier, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:24 (three years ago) Permalink

I wonder if he'll try "I'll be Cap if you'll let me direct."

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 17:23 (three years ago) Permalink

What with the Russos, Shane Black, Peyton Reed, James Gunn, Kenneth Branagh and all sorts of folks whose resumes might not point in that direction, sure, why not?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 17:47 (three years ago) Permalink

well their resumes point in that direction in that they're actually directors but other than that

Number None, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 17:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Finally saw Avengers 2 the other night. Way worse than the first. Really hope they get rid of Iron Man soon cos it was really a stretch watching how stupid Tony Stark was during that whole movie. And yes the way they wrote Black Widow was pretty lame. New characters are stupid too, Scarlet Witch can do pretty much whatever the scene calls for by flicking her wrists dramatically. James Spader was really the only likable character in the film.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Scarlet Witch can do pretty much whatever the scene calls for by flicking her wrists dramatically

it's clear you've never read the comics

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

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Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

zatanna humor never gets old imo

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, Iron Man being a super-smart dude doing super-stupid things that bite him and others in the ass is kinda just Iron Man being Iron Man.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

I never read Scarlet Witch comics that's true. If I have to read the comics in order to get the movie then the movie has failed imo.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:22 (three years ago) Permalink

If I ever get a time machine I will make sure to go back and tell my younger self to cancel the multiple X-Men subscriptions and broaden my comic portfolio so I can understand what is going on in 20 years.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:23 (three years ago) Permalink

well no, it's just that "Scarlet Witch can do pretty much whatever the scene calls for by flicking her wrists dramatically" is kind of the definition of how Scarlet Witch has been written since her inception, which makes it sound like the movie was pretty faithful to how everyone has ever interpreted the character

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

the house of m storyline in the 2000's is basically about how scarlet witch gets rid of an entire race by flicking her wrists dramatically
and, to some extent, minimizes sony's rights ownership to xmen i suppose

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this is a character who had children with a robot and when people said "wait a second, how did that work?" it was revealed that she magicked them into existence*; the flaw here is inherent in the character.

* nb this didn't end well for anyone, whether they be fictional or the real people who read it

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:22 (three years ago) Permalink

retcarahc gnitseretni dna elihwhtrow erom a sa annataz rof tnemugra eht ekam ot ekil dlouow i, niaga

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:25 (three years ago) Permalink

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Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:26 (three years ago) Permalink

ʇnʍ

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:27 (three years ago) Permalink

ti dnemmocer yllatot, ppa annataz wen s'elppa gnisu

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:30 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:32 (three years ago) Permalink

vurb, skeoj

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:32 (three years ago) Permalink

I kind of want to turn this thread into TS: Zatanna vs Nico Minoru

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:34 (three years ago) Permalink

.esaelp, naicigam ?lleps rep esu eno ylno

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 18:37 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

balls, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 23:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Jessica Jones series out on November 20.

https://instagram.com/p/7dKJf8I3tk/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 September 2015 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I completely missed that Krysten Ritter was starring in this.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 10 September 2015 16:40 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah it's pretty good casting imo - she's shown she can handled the damaged aspects but can also pull off the levity

balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 16:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Please please please better dialogue than Daredevil. Would be missing the point otherwise.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

tennant as purple man suggests they're gonna play it pretty close to alias. would love if they work in the avengers cameo.

balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:13 (three years ago) Permalink

i am very much down with this

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I still have vivid memories of picking up Alias, flipping open to a panel of Luke and Jessica having anal sex, and saying the equivalent of "oh, Marvelpaws" before putting the issue back and never reading the book again

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:20 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah there was definitely some 'this is an ADULT'S comic' stuff, esp at the beginning but it was also surprisingly adult in the non-adolescent meaning of the word as well. i'm curious if they can pull it off w/ the tv show or if they're even that interested in pulling it off.

balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:23 (three years ago) Permalink

xpost TBF, a) it's more like "oh, Marvel Max's indefensibly 'edgy' decisions-paws" and b) that's easily the most sour note the series hit. It's an otherwise solid series and a perfect companion piece to the Bendis Daredevil run. And I really like the direction JJ & LC's relationship ultimately took.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Think of that scene as the gratuitous nudity in an otherwise sound HBO show. It's a great book. I particularly liked Jessica's relationship with Carol Danvers and her position on the periphery of the Avengers' gilded world.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:28 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah was thinking it'd be awesome if marvel had secretly already cast danvers (rooting for blunt) and that was how they revealed it but that's pretty unlikely

balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:29 (three years ago) Permalink

flipping open to a panel of Luke and Jessica having anal sex

um are you referring to this
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/electricpetertork/aliassweet.jpg

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

btw, if anybody wants a good visual luke cage history, try here:
http://majorspoilers.com/2013/03/31/hero-history-luke-cage/

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:31 (three years ago) Permalink

damn luke you gotta eat the booty first

balls, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:40 (three years ago) Permalink

At the time of its inception, Marvel Max was conceptually somewhat indistinguishable from a notebook full of racy drawings hidden under a thirteen-year-old's mattress. I mean, they gave Howard the Duck giant, naked tits at one point, for the love of christ. Thankfully, they matured a bit once the novelty of adult themes wore off.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:44 (three years ago) Permalink

yes, in fact that is what I'm referring to

also holy lol

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

"sweet christmas" is a shop o'course but a clever one

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I would have bought the book had "SWEET CHRISTMAS!" been in the original

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:34 (three years ago) Permalink

as noted above, it's worth your time

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:51 (three years ago) Permalink

ok what's the original

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:56 (three years ago) Permalink

xxpost Same as the image above, but with an unfortunate Bushmaster reference in place of the "Sweet Christmas!"

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I hate comics

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:09 (three years ago) Permalink

I get that Bendis is very good at certain things as a comic book writer but I'm increasingly of the opinion that they are things I couldn't possibly care less about (at least that's how I feel about him after his X-Men stint)

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I loved his Daredevil and Alias, I liked his Avengers, I remain unconvinced about everything he's done since the inception of Marvel Now. His X-stuff and Guardians of the Galaxy, as far as I've read, has been Autopilot City.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:26 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't know if Bendis has lost his fastball or he's been writing characters I don't care about (X titles) but switching over to 2 Iron Man books doesn't excite me. xpost

Still, Miles Morales is the best character Marvel introduced since about the mid 60s.

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

She's nowhere on the same level as Miles but I remain very, very fond of Hisako Ichiki (Armor)

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I like Miles Morales fine as a character, but I feel like his best days are ahead. Bendis has yet to really knock my socks off with a Miles story. It doesn't help that he first appeared when the Ultimate universe was starting to get awfully rickety.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 September 2015 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

xp -- what are the best Armor stories/titles? I only know her from the Joss Whedon book.
(sorry for derailing the MCU thread even further)

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Thursday, 10 September 2015 20:22 (three years ago) Permalink

afaict bendis is just spread too thin. can't even keep track of how many books he's writing, plus corp responsibilities.

I mean jeez Powers (the book not the terrible terrible show) is still going...

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 11 September 2015 02:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Plus he teaches writing at Portland State or OSU

Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Friday, 11 September 2015 02:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Bendis was best before he became a big deal and had to juggle the entire Marvel Universe. Daredevil and Alias had a more relaxed tempo and intimate tone. They're really worth your time DJP, mainly for the dialogue and characterisation, and he worked with some great artists too.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 11 September 2015 11:46 (three years ago) Permalink

what are the best Armor stories/titles? I only know her from the Joss Whedon book.

Really that's the only place she's been highlighted but there was a mini story about her family that I thought was very poignant.

I hear what you're all saying re: earlier Bendis; I'll put those into the queue.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 11 September 2015 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

seconding rm/rm's recommendations of bendis' daredevil particularly. the 'relaxed tempo' was kind of infuriating when i was reading them monthly as they came out, but i went back a couple of years ago and read the whole thing back-to-back and it's great. also an impressively sustained exercise in pushing readers' patience with matt murdock, as he gets painted further and further into a corner by his own actions

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 11 September 2015 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

i like Bendis' takes on ultimate Spider Man, Miles and Avengers best but yeah, he seems overextended these days

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Bringing it back to the thread, if you liked Netflix's Daredevil, you'll probably love Bendis's Daredevil. Brubaker's subsequent run is pretty great, too.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

i like both, yes. but i'm a daredevil stan who had a copious back issue run starting with the 70's so i'm just glad they're getting the best outta the character.
i prefer brubaker to bendis on dd.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:13 (three years ago) Permalink

brubaker's run is really good, yeah

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 11 September 2015 18:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Rebecca Ferguson now "top of the list" for Captain Marvel apparently

Number None, Friday, 11 September 2015 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm down.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 September 2015 18:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Brubaker Daredevil I bet is AMAZING

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:00 (three years ago) Permalink

I think I prefer his Daredevil to his more feted run on Captain America. It's mostly just a natural progression of the wheels that Bendis set in motion but very well done. The first storyline is Matt Murdock trying to survive in prison after having his identity as Daredevil exposed while also maintaining plausible deniability about his identity as Daredevil. It's a fantastic set-up, well executed.

Fancy Fantasies (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:06 (three years ago) Permalink

IIRC the first half of Brubaker's run, which picks up directly from Bendis's plots, is amaaaaazing. After that it felt like his only real idea was to pour misery onto the character and after a certain point it was just exhausting.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, i like brubaker better on dd than cap too... cap was much more espionage than character development imo

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Huge Bendis fan - even of his new old X-Men comic, to some extent - but I've tried two volumes of Guardians of the Galaxy now, and it's terrible - I think he's just not that good at space opera.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Actually I remember really liking Brubaker's Cap, probably the only one of his big runs I've read (that, DD, and his totally off-base Uncanny X-Men) that seemed to play to his strengths. The unreservedly long-term plotting, the schemes-within-schemes, the espionage and all that stuff, I dug it.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I hadn't read any comics in a long while until last summer after I saw Winter Soldier. I got as much of Brubaker's Cap run as I could find from the library. I was pretty impressed, and felt like the movie did a pretty nice job of capturing that vibe.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 11 September 2015 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

I flipped through the first 4 pages of the Alias TPB in the store and when I got to the point where Luke Cage referred to himself as "nigga", I nodded to myself and put it back.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, Marvel MAX. So much to answer for.

Too Many Butts (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:45 (three years ago) Permalink

The chapter on Marvel MAX in the Sean Howe book was truly embarrassing. That all happened well after I had stopped reading comics so I hadn't really had any idea.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 September 2015 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Embarrassing for Marvel I assume?

I thought the Howard The Duck MAX series was really good.

Has there ever been a story with a George Galloway/Michael Moore type saying Latveria is a great country and Dr Doom is just "misunderstood"?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 September 2015 18:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Thats a p weird equivalency

Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 September 2015 18:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Especially since we know Doom wept after 9/11

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 19 September 2015 19:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Cant remember if this was discussed on this forum but it was really odd when Romita Jr said that crying Doom and the other villains weren't supposed to literally be there.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 September 2015 19:16 (three years ago) Permalink

we have damage control (in development)

http://deadline.com/2015/10/marvel-damage-control-tv-series-comedy-abc-1201566243/

this could be the 30 rock to Powerless's Studio 60. Assuming either makes it to air.

da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

somebody get Fred Hembeck on the line

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 2 October 2015 22:48 (three years ago) Permalink

the budget for the knees though

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 2 October 2015 22:53 (three years ago) Permalink

lo

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 October 2015 22:54 (three years ago) Permalink

l

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 October 2015 22:54 (three years ago) Permalink

News and notes:

Following our hero’s debut adventure in this summer’s “Ant-Man,” Scott Lang will return alongside Hope Van Dyne on July 6, 2018 with Marvel’s “Ant-Man and the Wasp.” The sequel will mark the first Marvel Studios film named after its heroine.

Additionally, Ant-Man’s second adventure will lead to a couple of other films shifting their dates, with Marvel’s “Black Panther” moving up to February 16, 2018 and Marvel’s “Captain Marvel” landing on March 8, 2019.

Finally, three untitled Marvel Studios films will premiere on May 1, 2020, July 10, 2020, and November 6, 2020.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:01 (three years ago) Permalink

sounds like they might move up or axe captain marvel depending on how a WOMAN IN THE TITLE HEAVENS THINK OF THE FANBOYS AND THE BANKERS goes over

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:55 (three years ago) Permalink

sigh, yeah.

i keep waiting for them to soak up a couple of third- or fourth-tier characters by throwing them together in a wacky buddy comedy type format. up until avengers i really had high hopes for hawkeye and wonder-man. like a bill & ted, harold & kumar deal, but with two dudes with (limited, unexciting) superpowers. maybe more like tango and cash, but without the police brutality and stallone's leadenness.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

How is are Wonder Man's powers limited or unexciting?

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:10 (three years ago) Permalink

well he's like super strong and fast and stuff and maybe he flies? He's basically a generic off-brand superhero. From what I can remember that's actually his origin, right? I mean it definitely does not have to be Wonder Man, just it seemed like the movie would work best if it was specifically a character no one had heard of who does things that in themselves aren't much to hang a movie on. Like Hancock, you know, but... better.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:12 (three years ago) Permalink

He can also transform into a being made out of pure energy, he never needs to eat or drink and one point could manipulate his size and shoot lasers out of his eyes.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:19 (three years ago) Permalink

It's probably too late to exploit the fact now, but his brain was the template for the Vision's, as well.

Skin Boherts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

wonder man is basically an even less interesting superman

In 2012, Wonder Man was ranked 38th in IGN's list of "The Top 50 Avengers".

^tells you everything you need to know

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:26 (three years ago) Permalink

i mean #37 is STORM and i honestly didn't even know she was an avenger but she beat out a guy who has been part of the team since the sixties

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:27 (three years ago) Permalink

no way they don't make captain marvel, there's already excitement, it's a super entertaining comic, and it ties together earth marvel and space marvel too well

balls, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:42 (three years ago) Permalink

are they going to interchange captain marvel and adam warlock in the thanos shit?

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:43 (three years ago) Permalink

which captain marvel?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Carol Danvers, I believe.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

the book is good.
was good i guess? they're rebooting all this shit again aren't they.

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

wonder man's first appearance, in avengers 9, is actually a pretty touching little story, in stan lee's best sappy manner (kirby drew the cover and prob contributed to plot/layouts too, tho' the name simon williams/wonder man seems a bit prosaic for him) - or at least, the death of a 'good guy' seemed pretty touching/unexpected to me when I read it in a british marvel reprint as a kid in the 1970s - and it was four whole years before they revived him

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

ant-man did better than expected, they wanna exploit it with a sequel before paul rudd is 50 so they're pushing some stuff around. don't think this means any big drama re capn marvel or anything else.

da croupier, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

shhh you're ruining the conspiracy

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:31 (three years ago) Permalink

"An even less interesting superman" is still "what exactly is the problem that he can't fix while Jeremy Renner is still scratching himself and pouring his first cup of coffee"

Pouring one out for even the idea of a "Hawkeye and Black Widow" spy-em-up that fandom was convinced was on the cards after Avengers I.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:35 (three years ago) Permalink

"An even less interesting superman" is still "what exactly is the problem that he can't fix while Jeremy Renner is still scratching himself and pouring his first cup of coffee"

yeah I mean, this was more my point than anything else

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:37 (three years ago) Permalink

i think a black widow movie could still be in the cards for post-infinity war mcu esp if capn marvel and the wasp prove female superhero movies do not inherently come out looking like Catwoman

da croupier, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:37 (three years ago) Permalink

while widow has been around as a character since iron man 2 scarjo is still the youngest actor playing an avenger - if they're lucky enough to make it to the 2020 cosmic cataclysm with its audience alive and eager for more, a small scale movie centered around her would be on point

da croupier, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Catwoman was hilarious, though

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:43 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't recall saying it wasn't

da croupier, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:44 (three years ago) Permalink

"what exactly is the problem that he can't fix while Jeremy Renner is still scratching himself and pouring his first cup of coffee"

It's a comedy! Come on! Hancock had all kinds of super powers but he sure got himself into a fix! The answer is obviously GIRL TROUBLE and then you write a bunch of goofy Kevin Smith/Tarantino dialogue where these two bros are elaborately talking about what to do with their love lives while they're punching out Stilt-Man!

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:52 (three years ago) Permalink

If they don't make a Black Widow movie then they are idiots. Ant Man Wonder Man Bat Man yawn yawn yawn

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:56 (three years ago) Permalink

two bros are elaborately talking about what to do with their love lives while they're punching out Stilt-Man!

would watch, someone get this guy a contract

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

If you're gonna do a Wonder Man comedy duo his buddy has to be the Beast like in the late 70s Avengers comics. That can't happen because of rights so fuck Wonder Man.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I still think about Daniel Clowes saying Scarlett Johansson hates comics. She probably just doesn't care about them or finds them a pain to read* but the idea of her really hating them amuses me.

*I recall Tobey Maguire and maybe even Alan Cumming talking about reading comics for research. I wonder if this is suggested to actors because Cumming didn't seem to care for X-Men.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:10 (three years ago) Permalink

it actually doesn't have to be wonder man fwiw

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:12 (three years ago) Permalink

mary jo duffy's issues of power man/iron fist are very bantering bro heroes

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:16 (three years ago) Permalink

so the current super-hero movie time table is

Feb 2016: X-Van Wilder
March 2016: Batman Vs Superman: "Why no, I did not like Man Of Steel"
May 2016: Cap 3: Avengers 2.5
May 2016: X-Men First Class Part 2
Aug 2016: The Fresh Prince & The Nightbreed vs Jordan Catalano
October 2016: X-Magic Mike
Nov 2016: Dr Cumberbatch
March 2017: Wolverine 3: Hugh Jackman Will Literally Be 49 Fucking Years Old
May 2017: Guardians 2: Let's Find A Stone
June 2017: Wonder Womaaaan
July 2017: Spider-Boy: The Lil'est Avenger
November 2017: Thor 3: Let's Find A Stone
November 2017: Justice League: Fuck Yo Stones!
Feb 2018: Black Panther: Avengers 2.75
March 2018: The Movie Flash Not The TV Flash
May 2018: Avengers 3: NO, LOOKIT AT ALL THESE STONES
July 2018: Ant-Man 2: Paul Rudd Will Literally Be 49 Fucking Years Old
July 2018: Aquaman: Can Paul Rudd do this?! *flexes*
March 2019: Captain Marvel: The Woman
April 2019: Captain Marvel: The Man
May 2019: Avengers 4: EVERYBODY WE KNOW YOU LOVE PUNCHING THANOS IN SPACE
June 2019: Justice League 2: EVERYBODY WE SURE HOPE YOU LOVE PUNCHING VILLAIN TK
July 2019: The long-awaited Black Bolt movie to sate your superhero thirst
April 2020: Cyborg, finally given his long overdue solo joint we've been craving since 2017
June 2020: Green Lantern Corps, cuz the best part of the last one was all the fucking aliens standing around

with x-force and new mutants movies to be plopped in somewhere assuming we all liked apocalypse

da croupier, Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:22 (three years ago) Permalink

loool A+ list

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:37 (three years ago) Permalink

I know Jackman's on record like "enough wolverine already" but with Old Man Logan set to enter continuity 49 is ~nothing~. Dude keeps lifting and he can be Wolverine4Lyfe.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 9 October 2015 07:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Read up on Wonder Man's wikipedia page and this might be one of my favourite sentences in all of wiki:

This only happened in mainstream continuity and other origins were possible courtesy of the Forever Crystal of Immortus.[11]

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Friday, 9 October 2015 10:59 (three years ago) Permalink

ie Kourtesy of Kang

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 9 October 2015 11:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I wonder what A- or B-lister they'll find for Black Bolt, since it will be essentially a non-speaking role? (Minus whatever cinematic/screenplay tomfoolery is employed in the form of voiceover/whatever.)

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Thursday, 15 October 2015 12:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I think Tom Wright would make an excellent black bolt actually

BRAAAAAAMETHEUS (El Tomboto), Thursday, 15 October 2015 12:24 (three years ago) Permalink

There have been very strong suggestions that Vin Diesel will be playing Black Bolt. I hope the suggestions are wrong.

Skin Boherts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 October 2015 12:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Ugh. Need to go find the Moe/Simpsons "Oh dear god, no" gif.

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Thursday, 15 October 2015 12:51 (three years ago) Permalink

unless the only word black bolt says is "SUPERMAN"

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 October 2015 13:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Black Bolt should be played by Jason Statham.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 15 October 2015 13:37 (three years ago) Permalink

forks otm

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 15 October 2015 15:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Vin Diesel would make a completely terrible Black Bolt. Also he is already MCU-employed, he's fucking Groot.

Seriously though did anybody catch Wright in The Bridge as the mumbly, brooding, creepy yet oddly noble Linder? Seriously he'd be a great Black Bolt. I don't know why I'm the only person who understands all my best ideas.

BRAAAAAAMETHEUS (El Tomboto), Friday, 16 October 2015 00:52 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm with you tombot.
though to be honest, i would prefer terry crews

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 01:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Is Black Bolt wrestler-sized? I thought he was a generically-superhero, not massive.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 16 October 2015 13:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Vinagar Diesagon

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 16 October 2015 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

If any single factor should disqualify an actor from playing Black Bolt, it would be an inability to act with his face. I don't feel like that's Vin's strong suit. But if he's able to destroy things with his voice, he might be worth a shot.

Don't Call Me A Lunkhead, You Dingbat! (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 October 2015 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

so you're saying Jim Carrey should play Black Bolt

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 16 October 2015 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

They should definitely get somebody either known for never speaking (like Mel Brooks having Marcel Marceau give the only spoken line in Silent Movie) or like a famous big talker, someone Shakespearean.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 October 2015 14:21 (three years ago) Permalink

I only want Jim Carrey to play Black Bolt if the movie features a recreation of the 'Cuban Pete' scene from The Mask except that his singing obliterates everything around him.

Don't Call Me A Lunkhead, You Dingbat! (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 October 2015 14:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I just can't believe I'm reading a bunch of casting recommendations for black bolt regarding a movie that will actually likely be made

da croupier, Friday, 16 October 2015 14:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Bearing in mind that Vin spends the entirely of The Fast & The Furious looking incredibly threatening without hitting anyone, I think it would be a good cast.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 October 2015 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

truly what could be more astonishing than people online fantasy casting a speculative comic book movie
wait, iirc that might be the entire purpose of the internet

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:39 (three years ago) Permalink

did your eyes turn red before the end of the sentence

da croupier, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Apparently!

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

in case anyone else is lost, my surprise is that the movie is actually (likely) happening, not that people are imagining who'd play a superhero

da croupier, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

i just read it twice more and i get it now

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:44 (three years ago) Permalink

I just read it three times and I'm more lost than ever.

Don't Call Me A Lunkhead, You Dingbat! (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

i simplified it:

I just can't believe I'm reading a bunch of casting recommendations for black bolt regarding a movie that will actually likely be made

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:50 (three years ago) Permalink

there, now no one will get unduly hurt

da croupier, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

(though the movie still might not happen - VenomCarnage and Fantastic Four 2 were once posted in five-year-plans too)

da croupier, Friday, 16 October 2015 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I was reading another thing where Vin (Mr. Diesel?) was yet again dropping cryptic hints about playing a second Marvel character that wouldn't require the employment of his voice. Someone in the comments suggested that he was talking about Lockjaw.

Don't Call Me A Lunkhead, You Dingbat! (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 October 2015 19:57 (three years ago) Permalink

i would pay matinee prices to see that

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2015 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

looks smaller scale than I expected, which is probably good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdV-lxRPFo

definitely a direct continuation of the second one anyway, rather than Avengers 2.5

Number None, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 07:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I feel like I just saw the whole movie, too bad.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 22:35 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Ryan Coogler is directing Black Panther and Taika Waititi is directing Thor, so I guess I'll be watching at least two more of these things.

polyphonic, Thursday, 31 December 2015 23:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Huh, totally missed that they're moving forward on a "Damage Control" TV spin-off.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 18:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Calling all forks!

Nhex, Monday, 18 January 2016 07:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Finally!

Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 January 2016 14:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Taika Waititi has got to be the oddest choice for one of these I've heard. I wonder if Thor movie will be a pseudo-doc about Asgard...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Also a Mockingbird spin-off (probably limited a la Agent Carter) and supposedly another sitcom-y show alongside Damage Control on ABC. And possibly a Netflix Punisher show.

Professor Bworlph (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:21 (three years ago) Permalink

we should start a "which Marvel show or movie will be the tipping point" thread except it's more likely that DC will overdo it first and flip the table for everyone

Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm amazed at this point that Marvel has yet to seriously stumble and that most of what they've put out has been really solid.

Professor Bworlph (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Although the sitcoms admittedly make me wary.

Professor Bworlph (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Taika Waititi has got to be the oddest choice for one of these I've heard. I wonder if Thor movie will be a pseudo-doc about Asgard...

not much odder than the Russo brothers really

Number None, Monday, 18 January 2016 15:51 (three years ago) Permalink

jessica jones is so far, by far, my favorite marvel thing.

akm, Monday, 18 January 2016 16:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Kenneth Branagh directing Thor I!

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 January 2016 16:58 (three years ago) Permalink

"not much odder than the Russo brothers really"

I think it's much odder than the Russo brothers. Those guys are professional Hollywood types.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 18 January 2016 17:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Branagh choice seemed odder for him, until he followed it up with Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 18 January 2016 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Advertised "From the director of Thor!" so good tactical move, I guess.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 January 2016 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

"not much odder than the Russo brothers really"

I think it's much odder than the Russo brothers. Those guys are professional Hollywood types.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, January 18, 2016 5:00 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess. He wrote the script for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_(2016_film) anyway so I guess Disney are high on him

Number None, Monday, 18 January 2016 17:15 (three years ago) Permalink

sold!

“There’s a little bit of Midnight Run, with Grodin and De Niro,” Ruffalo told Empire. "I feel like that’s kind of where we’re heading with this relationship between Thor and Banner.” So is it a road movie? “It is a universal road movie – that’s where we’re heading,” he says, adding cryptically: “It’s not where you'd think it will be, so it’s not your classic road movie but it has that structure, I think."

Number None, Monday, 25 January 2016 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

wonder how chris hemsworth feels about being a co-star in his own movie

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 January 2016 21:39 (three years ago) Permalink

guess that applies to chris evans in civil war too

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 January 2016 21:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Or Chris Evans and Scarlett Johannson in Winter Soldier.

Frederik B, Monday, 25 January 2016 21:45 (three years ago) Permalink

"Did you ever fuck a chicken, Thor?"

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experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 25 January 2016 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

wonder how chris hemsworth feels about being a co-star in his own movie

guess that applies to chris evans in civil war too

― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, January 25, 2016 3:40 PM (2 hours ago)

Or Chris Evans and Scarlett Johannson in Winter Soldier.

― Frederik B, Monday, January 25, 2016 3:45 PM (2 hours ago)

The MCU feels like major league baseball now. Nobody's making art, nobody's under the mistaken impression that they're making art, it's all firmly a part of the entertainment-industrial complex and that's cool. Feige is the commissioner, onscreen talent = on-field talent, Hemsworth and Evans are reliable innings-eaters, Jenny Agutter is a left-handed bench piece, Netflix and ABC are triple-A and double-A, Taika Waititi is that kid who jumped straight from being Crash Davis to managing A-ball for two years to getting the job managing the Padres.

WilliamC, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 00:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't think a "b-b-but this is my movie!!!" primadonna would get very far in today's MCU.

she pnuched me in my weinre when I was asleep (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 00:38 (three years ago) Permalink

OTOH, even as they've demonstrated a willingness to recast when necessary, Hemsworth is probably one of the rare, indispensable members of that crew. Casting a burly, charismatic dude who doesn't come off as a douche is quite a coup.

she pnuched me in my weinre when I was asleep (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 00:40 (three years ago) Permalink

The MLB analogy works pretty well- still, curious to see how they recast Iron Man & Cap as they eventually must.

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 06:20 (three years ago) Permalink

A lot of speculation that Steve Rogers is a goner. Read Bucky's lips when he's grabbing Stark's arc reactor from his chest

the drummer for Gaz Dad (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 06:47 (three years ago) Permalink

If that means they're gonna do SamCap, I'm okay with it

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Downey is probably a bigger coup (as well as the keystone of the whole thing) - get a total dick to play a total dick because he's a total dick, and still be charming.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 14:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Read Bucky's lips when he's grabbing Stark's arc reactor from his chest

I'm no lip reader, so what's he supposed to say? "Steve's dead"?

If they're following the Death of Cap storyline from the comics, there'll be a BuckyCap before SamCap... Though presumably, even if Steve dies, he'll be back from the dead to fight Thanos in the next Avengers movie. Can't imagine them adapting the Infinity Gauntlet and not using that iconic scene.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 14:14 (three years ago) Permalink

All I want from the Infinity War films is an afroed Magus. Is that so much to ask?

https://dorkforty.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/starlin-warlock-magus.jpg

she pnuched me in my weinre when I was asleep (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 14:21 (three years ago) Permalink

On the "possibly maybe true" rumor front: Yondu and Nebula will be joing the GotG in the next film alongside newcomer Mantis. And apparently Ego the Living Planet will factor in somehow.

she pnuched me in my weinre when I was asleep (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I could take or leave Spider-Man, but I find it a big bummer that there is no legal room for Galactus in the current MCU movies.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 14:35 (three years ago) Permalink

or Doctor Doom

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 14:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Both already ruined on-screen by Fox. Time to pull a Doctor Mordrid!

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 15:31 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah i saw some spoiler for gotg2 teased the other day w/ 'huge galactic figure to appear' and thought 'omg they got galactus' for a second. it was ego the living planet.

balls, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 15:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Maybe Eternity and the Living Tribunal will show up next

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 15:45 (three years ago) Permalink

I'd be a little sad to see Galactus or Doom without the FF to foil them though.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 15:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Anyone else feel like the Russo brothers did a better ensemble cast film with Winter Solider than the mess that Age of Ultron ended up being? The asides with each character having a plot arc through the confrontation of their fears after being zapped by the Scarlet Witch just dragged the whole film down with exposition, imo.

They might run into the same issue with their Civil War take, but I'm optimistic.

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 16:09 (three years ago) Permalink

As much as I like Winter Soldier I wouldn't give the Russos credit for being more successful on that end, rather that there's just so many more characters, storylines, tie-ins to future Marvel movies that had to be juggled in Ultron, it was much tougher. Sound like Whedon went nuts, and and having seen the full version of that Thor possession scene they forced him to shoot, I can't blame him. I'm guessing it'll be similarly muddy for Civil War with all the noobs. Expecting characters like Sam Wilson and Ultron to get actual development in that movie, too, so...

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 16:17 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm no lip reader, so what's he supposed to say? "Steve's dead"?

Yes

Me and my friends seem to think that even if Steve dies that one of the Infinity Gems could be employed to resurrect him for one or both if the Avengers movies

the drummer for Gaz Dad (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 18:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Better yet they do the the Return of Bruce Wayne--err, Captain America: Reborn thing and have him shunted out of space and time. Wouldn't be too hard to squeeze that in between two Infinity War movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 18:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Cap in space for a whole movie would be wonderful

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

can we get that Bucky as space hunter version they have in the comics now? bigass alien sniper rifle

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 21:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Winter Soldier and Avengers 2 were both messes.

search: Iron Man 1, Thor 1, Avengers 1, GotG
borderline: Ant-Man
destroy: Iron Man 2, Thor 2, Hulk, Cap 1, Cap 2, Avengers 2

I should stop watching these.

remove butt (abanana), Sunday, 31 January 2016 14:54 (three years ago) Permalink

don't understand rating Winter Soldier below Ant-Man or even Avengers 1
I think of all of them, Winter Soldier & Guardians of the Galaxy are the most re-watchable by far

all official correspondence concerning "chili cook-off" (El Tomboto), Sunday, 31 January 2016 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm the wrong person to ask because I have no objection to any of these movies, regardless of quality.

If I had to rate them on the fun scale I'd put Thor 1, Cap 1, Iron Man 1, & Cap 2 at the top and Hulk, Thor 2 & Iron Man 2 at the bottom.

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 31 January 2016 18:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah Cap 1 is great

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 18:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't know why people like Cap 2. Complicated real world issues are because evil conspiracy. New bad guy turns out to be dead guy WHAT! oh wait it doesn't matter.

remove butt (abanana), Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Uh people like it because it's a kickass action movie

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

otm

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:49 (three years ago) Permalink

And no one is even talking about Iron Man 3 here which is insane because it's great.

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 January 2016 21:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Haven't seen it and probably won't.

remove butt (abanana), Sunday, 31 January 2016 21:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Where should I send your cookie?

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 January 2016 22:26 (three years ago) Permalink

IM3 is great on multiple levels. Worst I can say about it is that it gets kinda boring during the ACTION PACKED FINALE but when it's good it's amazing.

I could watch just the Kingsley bits over and over. And the child actor.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 1 February 2016 00:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I've seen any of these movies more than once, but I want to say I liked Thor 2 more than Cap 2 (even if I liked Cap 1 much more than Thor 1). I dunno, I just though it was fun. Ones I'd be least inclined to ever revisit include Avengers 2 and Ant-Man. One I think I'd most like to see again is Iron Man 3, if only for the comically insane number of SFX people listed in the credits.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 February 2016 00:23 (three years ago) Permalink

thor 2 was sludgy & boring to me

cap 2 was great! but my overall preference is for cap 1 mostly bcz i love peggy & cap together in their own time, and i kinda liked hugo weaving's scary hydra skull nazi

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 00:28 (three years ago) Permalink

i really dug ant-man, way more than i expected to. but it's the least marvel-seeming, it feels like it's own movie more than part of the world that cap or thor or iron man exists in, even though it refers to the same events etc

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 00:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Willing to bet that if you think Thor 2 is fun, then it's not on the list of movies you've seen twice :)

Tom Hiddlestone is having a lot of fun in it of course, but then there's so much of the picture when he's not on screen and everything judders to a halt.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 1 February 2016 00:36 (three years ago) Permalink

sooo many alium subtitles, that shit was hella boring

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 01:37 (three years ago) Permalink

I was trying to recall any talking onions, but nm

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 1 February 2016 02:23 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 02:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't remember anything about it except some space monster running around ... London? Maybe there were onions, can't recall.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 February 2016 03:36 (three years ago) Permalink

ant man, thor 1, guardians of the galaxy all on another level of entertaining to me. thor 1 is particularly good because it's kind of quiet. thor 2 I don't remember a thing about.

akm, Monday, 1 February 2016 06:36 (three years ago) Permalink

the wormhole action scene was the only interesting part of Thor 2

even Hiddlestone's bits (although he did his best) were kind of rubbish

Number None, Monday, 1 February 2016 07:42 (three years ago) Permalink

I think people's tolerance of Antman may be directly linked to their tolerance of Paul Rudd writing his own dialogue.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 1 February 2016 11:35 (three years ago) Permalink

I like them all but Cap 2 and Iron Man 3 were top of the heap for me. And I love all of the shows. I know I can come off as Mr. 'rah-rah, Marvel can do no wrong!' but it's instructive to remember that the MCU came on a wave of mostly total bullshit Marvel movies (which has clearly not quite abated yet), stuff that just about had me swearing off Marvel movies altogether. Even the lesser MCU efforts are pretty solid in comparison.

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 February 2016 13:20 (three years ago) Permalink

And I mean are people even watching Agent Carter anymore? That show is so good.

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 February 2016 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm watching it, it's pretty much the best thing to have come out of the whole Marvel movie/TV franchise, though Jessica Jones was almost as good. I think the Marvel TV series in general are more interesting than the movies at this point, the lower budget means they don't have to be as crowd-pleasing as the movies, which allows for a more unique approach... Even if they both touch some feminist theme, AC and JJ couldn't be further apart when it comes to style (noir vs. sunlight) and feel (gritty and serious vs. light-hearted adventure).

Tuomas, Monday, 1 February 2016 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've been watching agent carter too and it's been really good - hayley atwell is obviously great, but the scripts seem sharper and funnier for the second season too

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 February 2016 14:20 (three years ago) Permalink

I was burned by SHIELD so have trouble to committing to severally MCU TV series. Too much to watch as it is, especially since what I have seen so far ties so tenuously to the greater MCU narrative. Plus as discussed earlier and elsewhere, their hands are kind of tied, because they have to save major story lines and special appearances for the films, not the TV shows.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 February 2016 14:44 (three years ago) Permalink

I've watched Daredevil and Jessica Jones - the former is moderately entertaining, the latter extremely entertaining.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 1 February 2016 14:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Agent Carter, Daredevil, and Jessica Jones are all short seasons that are pretty new-viewer friendly and don't require much commitment, and they're all great. SHIELD has only gotten better as it's gone on but demands more time + patience and heavily ties in with the events of at least Cap 2 but has also gotten very good at being its own thing but haters gonna hate so that ship has sailed for lots of people who will probably never know what they're missing (at least until the Inhumans become a thing in the movies and everyone feels compelled to see what they've been sleeping on).

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 February 2016 15:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Agent Carter is my favorite show on tv, hands down

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 19:10 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah i've only seen a couple of episodes of shield, one was the pilot which was eh and the other one was pretty good and had adrianne palicki looking hot as fuck as mockingbird. i might eventually check it out but everytime i think about i think 'actually i should watch alias instead' and then i end up watching basketball instead. agent carter i enjoyed; nothing too special but very solid entertainment (similar to the first cap movie). hayley atwell is something else as well. love the netflix marvel shows so far, the criticisms i've heard are fair enough for sure but w/ the exception of gotg and maybe winter soldier i've enjoyed the netflix shows more than any of the movies.

balls, Monday, 1 February 2016 23:01 (three years ago) Permalink

VG, talk me into giving Agent Carter another shot! I watched the first couple eps and got bored and wandered away...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 04:05 (three years ago) Permalink

It's soooooo marvellous

Rewatch Cap 1, with a mind for watching Peggy. Lock in on her steely resolve & excellent choice of lipstick shade, and go from there.

Peggy is like a mega-detective & spy & vigilante. full of spirit & pluck, ingenuity & she can kick all the asses without any help at all. Jarvis is a fun foil to her boldness, and while it takes awhile for the agency guys to not be lame dorks, Sousa turns into a pretty good stick towards the end of S1

And Howard Stark is delightfully rakish :)

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 05:55 (three years ago) Permalink

IT

IS

THE BEST

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 05:56 (three years ago) Permalink

just let go of all the marvel shoegaze serious business of agents of shield/daredevil/jessica jones ... agent carter is light & airy & fun

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 05:57 (three years ago) Permalink

With a pretty steady body count, it's not the Mary Tyler Moore show.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 08:04 (three years ago) Permalink

dammit now I want a Mary Tyler Moore Show with a steady body count

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 14:43 (three years ago) Permalink

lol apparently S1 is also not available on any ~legitimate~ streaming service

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:50 (three years ago) Permalink

;_;

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:52 (three years ago) Permalink

you could surely find it on the t0rrentz tho

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, you can buy the DVD/Blu-ray set, anyway. I mean, only from Amazon for some reason, but still.

Loving all of these barriers of entry into a medium that's nearing its death throes.

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:54 (three years ago) Permalink

That's weird, season 1 and the new episodes of season 2 are on Netflix here.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

It's on Hulu, no?

experience president sanders (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Hulu, ABC and ON DEMAND have the first three eps of S2 and ~clips~ of S1. Thanks guys!

XFINITY ON DEMAND had it until last week, but like i said the first two eps did not charm me and i wandered off

Amazon apparently has exclusive US rights and I with my Prime Video access I have the privilege of buying from for $2.99 per episode which haha yeah nope

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 20:02 (three years ago) Permalink

wtf how can one sentence get so mangled lol. I blame repeatedly going back to "fix" helpful corrections from grrr autocorrect

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I reeeeeeeeeeeally hope this 'Amazon exclusive!' shit bites everyone involved on the ass. It's one thing to have exclusive streaming rights but another altogether to have exclusive rights to every purchasable form of a particular work.

Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

How is that different from any action/sci-fi movie?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 13:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Uh, so a thee-act structure?

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 13:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Feel like the last Avengers and Thor movies were waaaay more scattered than three acts, felt more comic book event series-paced

Nhex, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:46 (three years ago) Permalink

wow someone cracked the code

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 17:42 (three years ago) Permalink

that creative writing 101 class is paying off

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

That diagram thing is ripped off of Dan Harmon's story cycle and it applies to most storytelling not just marvel stuff, there's a long article somewhere where he goes through it step by step which I found really illuminating. The marvel films are bad because they execute the formula in a way that feels joyless and perfunctory.

mozart, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Whatever you say, Mozart.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Joseph Campbell came up with it. Dan Harmon's a hack

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:58 (three years ago) Permalink

That graph is in fact taken directly from a Dan Harmon powerpoint. Note that it has exact page numbers for each event.

remove butt (abanana), Thursday, 18 February 2016 07:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, obviously it's based off Campbell's hero's journey. That picture is copied from Harmon's modified version rather than Campbell's original though.

mozart, Thursday, 18 February 2016 12:17 (three years ago) Permalink

More love for Agent Carter - it's been incredibly entertaining this season. Reminds me of all the super-fun genre shows of the early 00s.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 February 2016 13:18 (three years ago) Permalink

It's like Angel without the retroactively annoying Whedon-iness.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 February 2016 13:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison. It pulls off that neat Whedonesque trick of being fun and whimsical but also dark, and it has real characters that the audience cares about. Too bad Hayley Atwell apparently has another show in the pipeline.

maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 February 2016 13:48 (three years ago) Permalink

With the low number of episodes per season for AC, it shouldn't be impossible for her to be in two different shows, though I guess American TV actors don't normally do that?

Tuomas, Thursday, 18 February 2016 14:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Eeesh, that new show sounds dreadful

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

she could easily do both but agent carter's ratings are apparently much worse this season than last season (and they were pretty bad last season) and the head of abc got fired so it doesn't look likely to come back. it'd be awesome if netflix somehow resurrected it in their marvel fever but i don't think it really has a cult. a shame, as it's a really really fun show. i really can't figure out how more ppl wouldn't want to watch a show where you get to look at hayley atwell kicking ass and wearing great clothes.

balls, Saturday, 20 February 2016 05:47 (three years ago) Permalink

how about u wait for for it to be actually cancelled before u bust out the eulogy captain buzzkill

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 February 2016 05:56 (three years ago) Permalink

but yeah this season has been fantastic

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 February 2016 05:56 (three years ago) Permalink

is agent carter on netflix?

SCROTUS (stevie), Saturday, 20 February 2016 14:06 (three years ago) Permalink

It is in here at least, new episodes every week.

Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:15 (three years ago) Permalink

I agree with your entire statement, balls, but I'd even just say: i really can't figure out how more ppl wouldn't want to watch a show where you get to look at hayley atwell kicking ass and wearing great clothes.

maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:58 (three years ago) Permalink

fedoras leave a stink wherever they go now

Nhex, Saturday, 20 February 2016 23:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Lol "captain buzzkill".

Last two eps were terrific - the plot was actually exciting. Hayley Atwell gets a lot of the cred, which she deserves, natch, but the direction is pretty great too. Like, better than it needs to be for this sort of show.

Also enjoyed the reverse "you should smile more" and all those bits of business.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 21 February 2016 23:08 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm super into the way they keep elevating other female characters, like whitney frost is becoming more & more fascinating, and dottie underwood has been really dope the last 2 eps, and even when peggy convinces sousa to bring along the cute receptionist as a backup asskicker ... it's just all great

and i like the howard stark appearances because dominic whasisface is soooo great in that role ugh i love him

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 21 February 2016 23:48 (three years ago) Permalink

he's pretty entertaining but his american accent is fucking atrocious

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 February 2016 12:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Interesting to see how he'll do in the Preacher TV adaptation, where his character is supposed to be as Texan as one gets. (At least if it's faithful to the comic.)

Tuomas, Monday, 22 February 2016 14:34 (three years ago) Permalink

He's a pretty limited actor but he's fun as Stark. Jarvis is fun too, which is super surprising as the same guy gave the worst performance in the history of TV on Broadchurch. Presumably not his fault - he's like a different actor here. The only guy letting the show down is the handsome blonde NY police dude who has no presence whatsoever.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 02:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Preacher is probably my most anticipated show this year. Really hoping they don't balls it up like they have with Lucifer

groovypanda, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 10:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine any situation in which they make anything with more than a superficial resemblance. I mean preacher embodied with word of god, hitman girlfriend, profane Irish vampire, I can see just about making it, but inbred idiots descendants of Jesus, fragging, armadillo-buggering, not to mention the actual end of the plot.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:20 (three years ago) Permalink

I read somewhere that Odin Quincanon is going to be one of the major villains of the series, a guy who if you remember turned up in probably the most boring Preacher storyline way way into the run.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, there's no way a story that ends with the most blasphemous, anti-Christian way imaginable is gonna be adapted faithfully on American mainstream television, even in the 2010s.

(xpost)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh dear, I hope not! The Quincannon dude and that whole arc was a perfect example of Ennis' worse tendencies. At least if they'd focus on the Good Ol' Boys and Jesse's grandma as the main villains, they might get some compelling stuff out of it without getting too extreme for television.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:36 (three years ago) Permalink

This is probably the wrong thread for this, dunno if it's worth starting a Preacher TV adaptation thread?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, adapting the special where Cassidy meets the stereotypically Gothic vampire guy might provide some good laughs, though sadly since that comic was published that whole "lol vampires" theme has already become worn out, what with all the Twilight backlash.

(x-post)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:39 (three years ago) Permalink

We had this thread over at ILC with some discussion on the series, I guess we can use it:

preacher: the movie

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that can't be true, not only is the only good scene with him unfilmable, he is possibly literally the only villain with nothing to do with the big plot.

xp er, the comic is about vampires being worn out, it's a pisstake of Anne Rice.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Lots of reports that Jackie Earle Haley has been cast as him.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 12:01 (three years ago) Permalink

xp er, the comic is about vampires being worn out, it's a pisstake of Anne Rice.

Yes, but what I meant was that even parodying Anne Rice style vampires has become a cliche now, which it still wasn't when that comic came out in the 90s.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 12:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Marvel has found its newest superhero: Game of Thrones actor Finn Jones has landed the coveted series lead in Iron Fist.

Jones, who plays Ser Loras Tyrell on the HBO hit, will take on the role of the martial arts master in the upcoming Netflix series, EW has learned.

Iron Fist is set to be the fourth Marvel and Netflix collaboration, following Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and the forthcoming Luke Cage. Scott Buck (Dexter) has been tapped as showrunner. Marvel plans to eventually unite all its heroes in a series called The Defenders.

Number None, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:56 (three years ago) Permalink

hoping moon knight shows up somewhere

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 25 February 2016 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Civil War Lego have been shipped! :D

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

So, sadly, the ratings for Agent Carter season 2 were apparently abysmal. Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that anyone new to the show could only access the first season through Amazon and literally nowhere else on earth.

This is tangentially related, sure, but a ton of MCU people make appearances and this ratcheted my crush on Hayley Atwell up to the level of 'hardcore', so fukkit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wqmMuHP0vI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV_nv83e0yY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dys2Mv45LKE

Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 March 2016 01:22 (three years ago) Permalink

adorbs

Nhex, Saturday, 5 March 2016 03:52 (three years ago) Permalink

she is so rad

i hope they dont cancel AC, it's seriously my favorite tv show

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 March 2016 03:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Both seasons of Agent Carter are available on Netflix in here, apparently the Amazon exclusive thing is only in the USA. I wonder whether season 2's international ratings on Netflix are as bad as on ABC? Because there might still be the chance it will come back as a Netflix exclusive, a la Arrested Development. Certainly it seems the writers were hoping for more seasons, since they ended it with a big cliffhanger, as well as some other unresolved plot threads.

Tuomas, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:07 (three years ago) Permalink

That said, IMO the season two finale was a bit of a letdown, both the big bad and the larger conspiracy were defeated a bit too easily. But overall AC is still the best of the Marvel series, and better than most of the movies too. So I hope there'll be more!

Tuomas, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was perhaps being uncharacteristically hyperbolic. The Amazon exclusivity is true in the US but that's apparently not the case everywhere. I own every single other MCU thing on DVD/BluRay (SHIELD season two was an exclusive, too, but was briefly discounted over the holidays) but I'm still waiting until the either the price or the exclusivity drops before buying the first season of Agent Carter. It was a dumb decision to make with fledgling series that have a limited fanbase.

Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Just from my own vantage, I'm actually having trouble hanging on to all the threads. Multiple Netflix series, multiple network series, multiple platforms, set air dates vs. binge, but the movies in the mix - I think there is a practical threshold that I have hit. I was already happy to throw Agents of Shield under the bus, haven't had a chance to see a second of Agent Carter, never finished Daredevil and hope to watch Jessica Jones one of these days but am in no hurry.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:44 (three years ago) Permalink

It's understandable. Thankfully, Marvel has catered both to the superfans by putting out loads of quality product and to the casual fans by making each discrete product stand pretty well on its own. And SHIELD is the only MCU thing thus far that requires any serious time commitment.

Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 March 2016 17:15 (three years ago) Permalink

quietly yay but will wait for official announce just in case

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 March 2016 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

But overall AC is still the best of the Marvel series, and better than most of the movies too.

Tuomas otm here. Imo Agent Carter is the best thing to come out if the MCU.

i;m the worst poster e9er (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 5 March 2016 20:46 (three years ago) Permalink

There was a brief moment in the rumor mill that Hayley Atwell wanted to play the Doctor, which I am totally in support of

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 5 March 2016 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

The Dubsmash thing of Atwell in the car with Stan Lee was v v cute.

Sad the series is over, really hope it gets renewed! I've liked some of the movies but this season was definite MCU highlight by miles.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 5 March 2016 23:02 (three years ago) Permalink

From the trailers it looks a bit as if the Civil War all takes place in one car park.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 10:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah the big faceoff in what appears to be an airport looks lame. I guess they'll justify it by saying they're minimizing civilian casualties or whatever

Number None, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 13:24 (three years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen Age of Ultron yet, but all the flying people in the trailer looked... wrong

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 17:03 (three years ago) Permalink

reminds me of how when marvel wanted a crossover event in the 80s, they looked at what little kids wanted, which turned out to be the word "secret" and heroes fighting each other.

remove butt (abanana), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:14 (three years ago) Permalink

and the word "wars"

remove butt (abanana), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

And Spidey teaching all-powerful cosmic beings how to poop (although they had to save that for the sequel).

Horse Throat (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen Age of Ultron yet, but all the flying people in the trailer looked... wrong

Why? All the character who fly there (Iron Man, War Machine, Falcon, The Vision) are canonically capable of flying, both in the comics and in the previous movies. The only exception is the Scarlet Witch, but if you look at the trailer she's not really flying but doing a telekinesis-powered jump, as Age of Ultron established she has telekinesis. (She doesn't have that in the comics, but I'm pretty sure her sorcery powers enable her to fly anyway.)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 21:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Basically, the MCU version of Scarlet Witch is the Jean Grey they couldn't have, as her powers are telekinesis and telepathy (with a dose of some weird precog shit).

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 21:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I liked the first Secret Wars ... Lotta stuff happens. Sequel was awful.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 March 2016 00:33 (three years ago) Permalink

(xposts) Flying just looks weird in movies unless it's Christopher Reeve on a greenscreen

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 March 2016 16:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Saw Deadpool yesterday which served its purpose, which was literally wasting time. I guess it was fine. But this morning, probably unrelated, I had the coolest thought: wouldn't it have been a neat stunt if they introduced Spider-Man in the new Captain America without revealing who the nobody actor was? Like, if they had cast him in secret, and only after the mask comes off at some point in this or a later film would we learn that this guy has been hanging around in the background of several other Marvel movies? It would have been an awesome way to play into the whole secret identity thing, and give us all a nice idea of what it would be like to be in a world with secret superheroes.

Anyway, that would have been my idea.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 14:58 (three years ago) Permalink

It's kind of weird that Deadpool doesn't have its own thread, 75th biggest film of all time, biggest R-rated film ever. I get the impression that everyone who was aware of it up to a few weeks before its release had been thinking "Really? They're really going ahead with this?"

I'm amazed the film got made on a bunch of levels - gleeful rudeness, very aware script, Ryan Reynolds in a supersuit again. Does anyone know of a good "Behind the scenes" article?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure he's been talking about it for years, leaking footage, spreading rumors. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some comprehensive making of that was part of its ingenious/ubiquitous marketing campaign.

It's weird that this is the movie that counts as pushing boundaries, because yeah, it's foul-mouthed, but almost all of those other Marvel movies are massively, innately violence. This is just the first with brain matter and amputations.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Am dubious of the Deadpool movie as it seems like the apotheosis of the nastier aspects of current geek culture.

(That doesn't it preclude it from being a fun movie, I suppose. It looks better than that Batman clusterfuck, for example.)

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I dunno, Dark Serious superheroes are sort of the apotheosis. Deadpool is clearly a goofy lark come to life, which is partly what made it enjoyable. It's sort of like a superhero movie if it was edited together from improvised put downs and pop culture references, which more or less works better than it sounds. Really, most of the movie is one long scene on a bridge, with a bunch of out of sequence flashbacks and a final fight sequence tying it together. There's not much there, so you just sort of go along with the babbling and fourth-wall breaking and irreverence. There are some funny jokes at the expense of real Marvel titles, too, like making fun of the X Mansion being underpopulated because Fox ran out of money, or not remembering if Prof X is Patrick Stewart of McAvoy because the time lines are so confusing. That sort of thing.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah that's the thing I forgot to mention - it is incredibly enjoyable, no eye-rolling (except if you consider the idea of a smart-mouth superhero inherently eye-rolling in which case this is not your movie), interesting structure, lots of deep and shallow gags.

Not sure which of the nastier aspects you mean - it's got three ass-kicking women if it helps?

The main boundary it's pushing (particularly for an X-Men movie) - there is no part that's po-faced.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Lots of famous people referenced by name, and Green Lantern jokes, and ... everything is a joke, basically.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:29 (three years ago) Permalink

And yeah, Colossus is there not as comic relief but as serious relief, because he is the only solemn, naggy, po-faced aspect.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 15:30 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah i used to watch Robot Chicken like 10 years ago.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 15:42 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq0XNILIYTw

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 16:37 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps6SBs112Io

includes gag of Professor X talking about the shortage of mutants

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 16:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, if that is your standard, then I'd say yes, Deadpool is a lot better than that.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 March 2016 16:42 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah i used to watch Robot Chicken like 10 years ago.

do you mean "yeah I used to read Deadpool comics like 20 years ago"

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