So a new UK music mag has launched ....part 66756564 - "Louder Than War"

http://imgur.com/BkOfbs9

LJ must be editor if Mansun are in a mag in 2015

http://vivelerock.net/item/louder-than-war-issue-1/

Louder Than War is the brand new indie music magazine brought to you by the hugely successful website Louderthanwar.com and Big Cheese Publishing Ltd, publisher of Big Cheese and Vive Le Rock magazines.

Aiming to cover the glory years of classic indie, alternative and post-punk music, Louder Than War is launched in September and will initially be a quarterly 116 glossy A4 magazine covering everything from Oasis to Blur, The White Stripes and Joy Division, Swans and Sonic Youth to PJ Harvey and Nirvana.

IN THE FIRST ISSUE:
THE STONE ROSES / MORRISSEY / NEW PSYCH / MANSUN / HAPPY MONDAYS / SLEAFORD MODS / SWANS / MAXIMO PARK / SLAVES / PUBLIC SERVICE BROADCASTING / THE CHARLATANS / ASH / ZOMBI / BIRDLAND / HOOTON TENNIS CLUB / HONEYBLOOD / GRAVE PLEASURES / KAGOULE / SUB POP / DEAFHEAVEN
& more!

http://i.imgur.com/BkOfbs9.jpg

fucksake

this belongs on that swagger of oasis thread

& yeah Mansun were great but Stone Roses worship = die, forever

Blimey.

oh god

Birdland??? wtf!

War is obviously a quite quiet thing, thesedays.

still cant believe Mansun are in a magazine in 2015 lol

while you're trying to wind me up, you must also recognise that there are about 15 things about that cover more embarrassing than Mansun

we're on a slow train to no way sna btw folks, enjoy the ride

I do like the fact that the top banner line clearly establishes that neither indie, alternative, nor post-punk are in any way weird.

The cover is pretty hideous, though. I mean, blue and gray doesn't exactly scream "BUY ME NOW!" even in England, does it?

fits in with the general design of LTW to be honest.

The Quietus has really let itself go.

ZOMBI / BIRDLAND

sounds like an iggy tribute act

is this basically John Robb: The Magazine?

is this basically John Robb: The Magazine?

― glumdalclitch, Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:19 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was my first thought.

covering everything from Oasis to Blur

The band's second album, Not Real, was released on 13 April 2015[5] to "generally favourable" reviews.[6]

6. ^ Metacritic, http://www.metacritic.com/music/not-real/stealing-sheep

The Quietus has really let itself go.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:36 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

how many copies of that first issue would they expect to sell

presumably an arse-covering amount if there's an actual Stone Roses interview in there (the cover not specifying one suggests there isn't). other than that I genuinely can't figure out who this is supposed to be aimed at

ex-artrocker readers.

People who bought the nme once in a while? Seems significant that they launched this at the same time the nme retreated to a dusty corner of your nearest Topman

I genuinely can't figure out who this is supposed to be aimed at

There's a whole thread on here stuffed to the gunwales with the bastards.

I knew Tom D would buy it

maybe a couple of thousand?

can u get it over here

theres probably an ocd population who compulsively buy new magazines like those 'collectible miniature busts of victorian generals, issue 1 with free custer' type of things advertised on daytime tv

I cant imagine deems buying those

From Ash to Zombi, thats the whole gamut to some folk that post on here.

http://i.imgur.com/EKKBliz.jpg

from the new psych article

out of any playlist i've ever seen, that one veers most wildly from incredible to shit

two of the better songs from the last 10-15 years followed respectively by hookworms & a noel gallagher remix

Are you a psychedelic music fan imago?

i am 2/19 a psychedelic music fan

u love 'ing birds tho

Gallagher & Dawson, it could work.

This looks like the magazine equivalent of a million interminable ILM threads about shite indie, so I'm guessing someone must figure this stuff is worth writing about.

otm^^^

Also music mags referencing bands from 20-odd years ago isn't really a thing. The only weird thing about this is that people still buy print magazines, but I guess that's why it has to reference stuff relevant to and from the era when people still bought print magazines.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ba/ba12aca49495e6114b4b231c241e443e585c305886b1522c536e50f22d7116cd.jpg

Stealing Sheep leading the charge of the new psych brigade!

who is Stealing Sheep?

Aberdonians

theyre from liverpool i think so I guess they read their big brothers shroomadelica issue of nme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0UCBNYsms

ok doesnt sound like i expected. its not all dudes for a start

that's not bad actually
doesn't really seem psych but i dunno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jtlWLXy9r0

that's definitely not psych

other than that I genuinely can't figure out who this is supposed to be aimed at

― Hector Ringtone (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 24 September 2015 18:30 (Yesterday)

there's a lot of tired ilx coverage of this stuff but it is vaguely curious in the way that things written by no-one and for-no-one often are. the various elements might conceivably appeal to some irl people but the aggregate can hardly appeal to anyone. there might just conceivably be irl people for whom 'WEIRD!' is enticing, but there are probably more stone roses fans who would be repulsed by it. vaguely reminiscent of the different ethnicities of remote places for whom entry to civilization means decimation by diseases to which they have no immunity, then the indignity of being corralled together despite limited mutual intelligibility.

so…it's like…..the india……..of indie

who is Stealing Sheep?

― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 September 2015 23:32 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Aberdonians

― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 24 September 2015 23:39 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

enjoyed this ftr

they have a manifesto! I assume this was written by Robb?

http://louderthanwar.com/about-us/

I don't really understand this bit:

9. Ignore alien orders was once written on a guitar

In 2011 it would be written in cyberspace.

so…it's like…..the india……..of indie

― twunty fifteen (imago), Friday, 25 September 2015 01:07 (1 minute ago)

the andaman islands specifically yes. the only mode of resistance would be that of the sentinelese, who resist all co-option and occasionally attack stray fishermen or prurient observers.

matt dc quite right re the quietus and it does show how difficult it is for something like that to be anything other than dreadful. if the quietus does have a vital centre it's probably something like the sleaford mods, but as well as the inarticulate early onset alzheimers stuff there is also some connection to the actual routed through the nostalgia. there's a commendable amount of interesting writing there.

this thing by contrast seems to be for the living dead whose initial cathexis with irl music is long since forgotten but who compulsively plough the same furrows.

took the words right out of my mouth

Not really seeing what this mag has to do with The Quietus however

What a jaded, miserable lot you are. Doesn't anyone like magazines anymore? Yes, Louder Than War is pretty chaotic and varied in their tastes, but they also manage to cover some great stuff that no other print publication would, like Dead Skeletons. Seems like it could potentially be a big improvement over the likes of Vive Le Rock, more in tune with new, interesting music. I'd be interested in checking it out.

I'd be interested in checking it out.

How do you know they cover stuff like the Dead Skeletons if you haven't seen a copy yet? Serious question.

They're on the playlist posted as an image upthread

Iron Fist magazine is from the same stable as this and is p interesting/well written if you care about 70s/80s metal and modern metal that sounds like it's from the 70s/80s

tbf its not like any American mags cover a lot of these bands so of course fnb would be interested.
If we're gonna compare anything here I think its a less metal version of rockarolla magazine. http://rock-a-rolla.com/main/

Its also nice to see a non-metal mag covering Zombi at last. (ps Zombi arent remotely metal nor do they have guitar but only metal mags cover them)

xps

xp that seems like it caters to a niche that actually exists though

Iron Fist is very good and is different from the other mags around.

something about Rockarolla's criteria for coverage really grinds my gears but I can't quite explain what it is. just feels like this really myopic idea of what 'arty' music is idk. again tho I think there is a certain kind of listener who that speaks to, I probably know quite a lot of them tbh

this thing by contrast seems to be for the living dead whose initial cathexis with irl music is long since forgotten but who compulsively plough the same furrows.

― nakhchivan, Friday, September 25, 2015 12:25 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this why this thread has more uk ilx action than anything about new music

oh sorry forgot about the nme one

this thread is as noted above part of the second order death cult that is ilm's fascination with the brit rock death cult

there's nothing intrinsically wrong with aesthetic death cults simply because they are irrational, some of them produce more content than others

the magical belief in the rejuvenating qualities of 'new music' as subscribed to by aging tastemakers is not wrong because it is irrational but because the attempt to assert vitality through consumption is grotesque

What "indie" mags are left in the UK now?

the magical belief in the rejuvenating qualities of 'new music' as subscribed to by aging tastemakers is not wrong because it is irrational but because the attempt to assert vitality through consumption is grotesque

― nakhchivan, Friday, September 25, 2015 10:24 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like spotify & streaming in general has sort upended my concepts of "new" and "old" music, there's so much old music that is new to me and mixed up with new stuff that's new to me and old stuff that's familiar and new stuff that's familiar and spit out at me from recommendation engines and other ppl's playlists, it's just so easy to skip around from Bach to Jay Rock to Pink Floyd to Kurt Vile to Disclosure, which is basically what I did this morning

How do you know they cover stuff like the Dead Skeletons if you haven't seen a copy yet? Serious question.

I've been reading their website for half a decade.

well played

so the stone roses article is just john robb writing about the 2011 reunion.
I quite like how varied (to a certain extent) the bands are in the mag compared to say the NME but its never going to be a mag for most ILXORS.

just john robb writing about the 2011 reunion of the stone roses as the lead feature on issue 1 of a magazine first published in 2015

it can only be uphill from there. I love the roses but the article is pointless but clearly they need a big cover star to sell the mag.

At least it wasnt Oasis.

It might still cover some ilx friendly music though.

lol i guess

though they didnt even get the cover star for an interview right?

that's nothing for the roses. nme back in the day did that. The roses didn't really do interviews a lot. They were awkward fuckers (part of their appeal)

their comeback with the second coming interview was with The Big Issue instead of NME/MM.

NME didnt like that.

the magical belief in the rejuvenating qualities of 'new music' as subscribed to by aging tastemakers is not wrong because it is irrational but because the attempt to assert vitality through consumption is grotesque

― nakhchivan, Friday, September 25, 2015 9:24 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god thank you!

I do like Mansun but that was the biggest wtf for me with this mag, nilmar.
If the cover star hadnt been the stone roses LJ would probably have dug it

I dont see any general mags selling in 2015. Niche mags are clearly the way to go

This I suppose will give you an idea of what they will cover

http://i.imgur.com/ih45qGx.jpg

o did Sealings move to Brighton

all good Oxford bands (and some of the bad ones) move to Brighton

(perhaps it is a different Sealings)

similarly, John Robb used to like some good stuff, and plenty of bad stuff

his "this is the real deal punk! rock!" schtick was always kind of exhausting either way but fair play to him for still being out there enthusing I guess

the cover is really quite unenticing but that page from the inside is slightly more encouraging, was thinking I might pick this up if I see a copy, but then I squinted at the price tag and at a fiver no, I probably won't

most of the mags cost that now I think and I suppose as its quarterly its not too bad.

Classic Pop I think is more expensive

I know what the clincher will be for you rebecca that will make you buy it

http://i.imgur.com/TbpwsR2.jpg

OK, you made that up!

argh

come back Plan B, they gave me a nice DAF CD and some coldwave comp or other for subscribing iirc

(yes, please be made up. top notch photoshop skillz if so)

I have no such skills

CTCL , LLSS and Plan B were great mags

o did Sealings move to Brighton

all good Oxford bands (and some of the bad ones) move to Brighton

(perhaps it is a different Sealings)

― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:05 AM (12 minutes ago)

I think they might have been at uni at Oxford, actually, so quite possibly the same ones? (They are m8s, innit.)

This looks fucking shit. Though my interaction with LTW online has always been "oh, a link to that place, it's supposed to be alright iirc... oh no, wait, it's a pile of bollocks".

http://i.imgur.com/8Yum5qK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/u1Yv2op.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9Xds93D.jpg

Are we actually supposed to read those or.....

just letting people know the contents. Sorry if the pics arent great

Please don't say "if you don't like a thread, don't read it"

Help me out here, are we supposed to point and laugh?

wait you bought this? what is happening, i thought we were making fun of britrock bands

i kinda like it for that alternative universe vibe. like looking at christian rock magazines. a world where people still listen to old mansun cds...it might as well be sci-fi to me. but it's just a culture thing. korean music magazines would be just as foreign to me. maximo park! i mean what on earth could they sound like? feels like i've seen that name forever.

xp

yeah I bought it as I wanted something to read while waiting for my opticians appointment

unbelievable how long stone roses can run on two albums. isn't it? are they rich from those records? talked about endlessly since 1994! that is truly impressive. how many words in the u.k. print world have been written about those dudes? millions maybe.

haha sex pistols did one

is it strictly a British thing?

do young british people listen to the stone roses or is just old geezers who look like the sleaford mods who still listen to them?

i dunno, i would have to think really hard to come up with a band who released so little music who have gotten as much ink in the u.s. as the roses have. there aren't really any music mags here though. it's not like you read about big star everywhere here. bad example anyway. the stone roses are ALWAYS in british music mags.

i guess The La's beat even the roses though. i'm sure mojo still writes about them.

I have seen two girls about 12 who live near me wearing Stone Roses and Nirvana tshirts. That's the kind of level they are. Sure i bet they are seen as the "weird kids" in school but those into music always were.

Stone Roses were very important to a section of people my * age (not just guys I may say)

*inc me

Scott are there a lot of niche magazines in the US or are they just general music types? Anything that covers 'indie'?

uhhhhhh, is Magnet still a magazine? or Alternative Press? they are the only indie ones i can think of and they might be out of business by now. there are a lot less places to BUY magazines in the U.S. now. you can still always find Mojo and Uncut and the Wire though. i buy Ugly Things when it comes out. that's about the only U.S. music zine i buy.

and i still get Decibel in the mail free every month. because they like me.

Decibel is really the only kinda-big U.S. music magazine that is any good. in my opinion.

there is wax poetics. but i consider that more of a niche/zine thing like an ugly things. smaller in scale than decibel. and i rarely see it anywhere anymore.

I wonder why metal print mags survive and indie ones cant? (Metal was never mainstream here)
Especially here in the UK where niche of a niche metal mags can survive

Kerrang (Ok not metal now but the only rock mag that has more than 50% female readership)
Terrorizer
Zero Tolerance
Iron Fist
Rockarolla
Big Cheese

xp

I have a digital sub to Decibel as I cant get the mag here and the print mag is too expensive to import

While they do overlap sometimes they also cover a lot of stuff the others dont.
and probably others i forgot/dont know about.

metal fans are to the death. they will buy anything metal.

Alternative Press is definitely still around, and thriving. They just had a 30th anniversary exhibit at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, actually. I'm really impressed by what they do, even though I don't write for them anymore (I stopped last year). They know exactly who their audience is - basically teenagers through people in their early 20s - and they cater to them incredibly well. Whether or not you like what they cover is one thing, but you would almost never look at an issue of AP and think, "Why is that band in here?"

U.K. mags in general just vastly superior to anything here. but there isn't much left here. but even the U.K. mags with Joe Bonnamassa on the cover are LEAGUES better in every way. design, layout, writing, art, photos, everything.

AP has always been good at what they do. and years ago they covered metal that no other non-metal mag would. i just haven't seen a copy in years.

I don't think I'd ever see it if I didn't have a subscription. Same reason I still see Down Beat (which is horrible, btw - hideous covers, awful layouts, and astonishingly bad writing); I vote in their annual critics' poll, and every year everybody who votes in the poll gets a year's subscription as a thank-you.

I definitely think that 'niche' mags are the only ones that can survive. Hopefully not just niche mags that only cover older music though.

It's a shame that you cant have a music mag that covers everything but nobody seems willing to pay for it.

Because nobody likes "everything." A magazine like that would have max 2 articles per issue that any given potential consumer might like. That's a recipe for abject failure. The only way to sell a magazine is to make sure that a potential buyer a) knows more or less what they're gonna get (which keeps them coming back) or b) can look at the cover and say "OK, I'd like to read about them...and them...and him...and him...and her...and that...all right, that's worth five bucks."

the magical belief in the rejuvenating qualities of 'new music' as subscribed to by aging tastemakers is not wrong because it is irrational but because the attempt to assert vitality through consumption is grotesque

― nakhchivan, Friday, September 25, 2015 9:24 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god thank you!

― mattresslessness, Friday, 25 September 2015 22:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

I've not seen anything about or referencing The La's for a long tiime.

lol uk landfill posters just cant keep off my dick on threads like this

louder than war tho with significantly less tendency for millions of innocent young men to be mowed down like blades of grass

safer than war

louder than War (band)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siNoYypkGlQ

amazing band

if that's the band 'War' there then yes.

there's fans of landfill indie on ilx?

several posters seem peculiarly obsessed with it

Would hope that doesn't mean they like it!

dont think mansun,stone roses etc quite count as landfill indie however

there's a band called KAGOULE?

from nottingham apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvOmgnfJsa8

the reviews section is a decent size

...there are a lot less places to BUY magazines in the U.S. now. you can still always find Mojo and Uncut and the Wire though...

― scott seward, Friday, September 25, 2015 9:05 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea that's true, basically bookstores and record shops both of which are sometimes hard to find

also i am not seeing the wire mag anywhere lately, even at bookstores with larger-than-usual magazine selections