YOUNG THUG vs FUTURE

by past 12 months i mean from monster on i guess

Monster / 56 Nights / Beast Mode / Dirty Sprite 2 / What a Time to be Alive

VS

Barter 6 / Slime Season / Slime Season 2

Rich Gang just missed the cut

Future's run is flawless, What A Time to Be Alive spoils it a little

But that Monster to Dirty Sprite 2 run is legendary.

lol who did this fam

Monster / 56 Nights / Beast Mode / Dirty Sprite 2 / What a Time to be Alive

VS

Barter 6 / Slime Season / Slime Season 2

― Spottie, Monday, November 2, 2015 11:29 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is a little hard to argue w/ future here

What A Time to Be Alive spoils it a little

yea it is a weird pairing i don't see any clear, like, musical reasons for future wanting to pair up w/ drake

i like young thug more as an artist but future's having a better run so i vote future

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

otm

lol is there some kind of sentiment to that effect ? xp

"twitter.com"

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 2, 2015 4:59 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh for sure, none of these are even my favourite rap albums/tapes of 2k15, but they seem very comparable to each other

Yeah. There's Migos too.

if this included Tha Tour Pt 1 it'd be Thug easy but as is, it's prob Future.

Going with Thug. His highs are higher this year.

Interesting b/c for all the similarities, they seem to be on divergent paths right now. Thug's output is so wide-ranging and expansive, while Future's narrowed his sound down to something powerful but monochromatic. I'd probably vote Thug based on his capacity to surprise.

Really to me it comes down to song construction, and future has made more classic songs in his recent run than thug, imo

People are still giving props to rappers for churning out a lot of material w/out considering that not every thug song (or future song for that matter) is worth their time and it might seem like it's elevating the artists but really it's grading them on a curve that ends up downplaying the great shit and overplaying the filler

personally, i need to marinate in this slime for a few more weeks before making the call

u have 6 days

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 2, 2015 11:59 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you could do a lot worse than listening to these two. i listened to ds2 almost exclusively for all of sep-oct

Interesting b/c for all the similarities, they seem to be on divergent paths right now. Thug's output is so wide-ranging and expansive, while Future's narrowed his sound down to something powerful but monochromatic.

― Evan R, Monday, November 2, 2015 1:26 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

interesting, imo thug is also converging towards something

i love the pure texture of future's voice (prob top 5 human voice timbre of all time) but i like the things thug does with his voice more..?

lex + deej who are ur fav rappers this year?

xp yeah totally agree with that. Everything that comes out of Future's voice just naturally sounds good; you definitely can't say the same for Thug.

But Thug pushes his voice more

imo thug is also converging towards something

yea ss2 made me think about this a little more

thug the most vocally angelic rapper in the game ever gtfoh

i love thugs voice dgmw im just saying like, i could listen to future read a dictionary & i'd be like ♪(]^_^[)♪

also many xps but idk if a future/thug tape would work out, it'd have to be super focused and deliberate vibe, not sure if a haphazardly thrown together tape would work out well w/ these guys? maybe i'm wrong -- i think i read some producer (metro boomin maybe) saying they really work very similarly, very fast, very spontaneous in the moment

thug the most vocally angelic rapper in the game ever gtfoh

― tpp, Monday, November 2, 2015 4:11 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love thugs voice dgmw im just saying like, i could listen to future read a dictionary & i'd be like ♪(]^_^[)♪

― flopson, Monday, November 2, 2015 4:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea, agree w/ flopson, thug has some really astonishing highs but there are plenty of tracks where i just really don't like his voice, plenty of thugger tracks that are fucking annoying

At least I notice when I hear one of his tracks tho, March Madness aside everything I've heard from Future might as well've been white noise

lex + deej who are ur fav rappers this year?

angel haze and vince staples

mozzy & ty money

this is so hard. a few months ago i'd have def said YT but I've been getting into Future a lot more recently and not so much Barter 6

oh last 12 months? Future then. But I haven't heard the Slimes

i like young thug more as an artist but future's having a better run so i vote future

Agree with this. I didn't think Future had an album like DS2 in him anymore.

both artists are better than they've ever been for me - i was very surprised that i fell as hard for future's output as i have this year, harder than i ever did before (i went back to the pre-DS2 mixtapes and they're all amazing), and i was very surprised that i finally clicked with thug with the slime seasons and "pacifier" having previously found him pretty unlistenable

i wouldn't say i'm enraptured with the timbre of either's voice but something about the production choices and songwriting frames them better for me now

fyi you were also wrong about chief keef, who's had an alright year if not as strong as his 2014 in my eyes

future's been more consistent but i love barter 6 the most out of all the tapes. so uh thug

i don't think i was wrong, i just like the new stuff more than the old stuff

i liked bang 3 in a non-coommittal sort of way

on the subject of chicago rappers i can't believe no one's repping harder for nutty world 2, fire from start to finish

(is what a time to be alive remotely essential despite being a drake hater? i have no motivation to listen to it)

lex there are some really good future tracks on it that are very much in the same vein as the rest of his work from this year, drake isn't even on every song

after many tries (1017 Thug, Black Portland, Tha Tour Pt. 1 and mostly lagoon's Straye Thugs comp), i still don't "get" YT. i just can't get motivated to bother w/ Barter or the Slimes

too bad dude barter & both slimes are way better than than the older mixtapes though i guess if you can't find something to love in those than there's no use in trying the newer stuff

nah i still can't find much to love in the older mixtapes, the new ones are a huge step up

SS1 has terrific use of pianos

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 2, 2015 11:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i find it hard to believe there are people who would dig future + young thug but not listen to other rap music?

there aren't, that claim is straight deejery.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWJI_zeDK0Q

gtfowtbs

there are definitely ppl on twitter & ilx for whom this is the bulk of / 90% of their rap listening in 2015

nah i still can't find much to love in the older mixtapes, the new ones are a huge step up

SS1 has terrific use of pianos

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they're really not a huge step up from the rich gang tape you're just having trouble backtracking entirely

xp oh im so sorry i forgot about fetty wap, there's your 90%

hip hop partisanship is such a balkanized and paranoid stance, cannot imagine a country fan being "oh so you mostly listen to zac brown and dierks bentley and jason isbell; LAME your opinion doesn't matter"

voted future btw

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best: Future, Thug, Kendrick, Fetty Wap, even Chance and Donnie Trumpet.

So with all due respect, IF you're going to fill your 90% rap quota with only two artists you could do a lot worse than Future and Thug, two of the most important rappers of this era, arguably at the top of their powers, who, between the two of them, have released 8 good to great projects within the past 12 months.

And I do know you're always ahead of every other rap listener ever, deej, and that sometimes makes it difficult to argue with you, but Power is still a better song than any of Mozzy's.
And I do like Mozzy.

yeah imo future and thug have released the bulk of / 90% of the best rap in 2015

but part of that is just the odds given that they both release a lot more music than, say, earl or kendrick or nef the pharaoh

fetty wap is not a rapper

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best

earl's album = the other 10%

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best: Future, Thug, Kendrick, Fetty Wap, even Chance and Donnie Trumpet.

don't think this is true, there's still amazing stuff that mysteriously gets shut out of the discussion entirely (ANGEL HAZE)

also not to bang on about this yet again but do people ever have any self-awareness about the lack of female artists when they reel off lists of men like that

I wish I could love Angel Haze like you do, Lex. I also wish there were more female artists making rap music that I'd consider for a list like that. I mean, there are good songs here and there, but your enthusiasm for these projects seems a little bit over the top at times.

i have no idea how anyone can hear angel haze and not realise what a special, one-off talent they are

anyway i feel everyone's enthusiasm for young thug is still over the top so

Oh I'm not questioning her talent. Just her ability to make music I have any use for right now.

feels kind of reductive to reduce music - esp music as personal and confessional as haze's - to such a purely utilitarian use, what makes young thug's music "useful" to you in a way that angel haze's is not?

If I didn't enjoy Barter 6 is there any point my investigating the others? Predictably I like Thug as a presence but very few of his production choices.

Also the thing is - why do these guys release so much music? I get that there's mad demand right now but when you're releasing 50-60 tracks per year, are all of them actually worth releasing? Like how high is the quality control really? Why not just release one amazing mixtape with all the best stuff on it.

I think there are really obvious reasons why the Angel Haze album is making an emotional connection with people but also reasons why it might be an intimidating edifice and not functionally particularly useful. Also the fact that she essentially self-sabotaged her major album release suggests that there's minimal PR effort going into the new one.

OTOH if a reasonably-established male rapper had released some of those tracks (especially Impossible) you wouldn't be able to move for fawning thinkpieces.

maybe I'm in the minority here but i prefer Thug when he's unhinged and working in a maximalist setting (like on 'Treasure') as opposed to the more subdued stuff on Barter 6. Future seems to have gone this way too in the last few releases, but I think it suits him better. What are the SS albums like? I've been away from the music net of late and haven't had a chance to check em out.

but Power is still a better song than any of Mozzy's.
And I do like Mozzy.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, November 4, 2015 1:34 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't agree, but "power" is at best the 34th best song he's dropped in the past year. I'd take Mozzy's "baldheaded" or "chop stixx" over it in a second

But that's not the point I'm not trying to make it about mozzy vs thug, obv thug is arguably the best rapper out rn but I do pretty strongly disagree w the idea that thug and future are the only rappers making music worth hearing right now (wait I thought everyone listened to other rap music...but now it's ok that no one listens to other rap music bc they're the only ones who matter? Stick to your goalposts)

This is what I hate about the conversation, it's like you're in camp j Cole or camp
Future and there's no in between...there's actually tons of dope rap happening that is not future or young thug

you don't say

feels kind of reductive to reduce music - esp music as personal and confessional as haze's - to such a purely utilitarian use, what makes young thug's music "useful" to you in a way that angel haze's is not?

― lex pretend, Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:45 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think you know what I'm talking about here, Lex. Some music is pleasant or challenging in interesting ways and after a while you find an urge to try to explore just exactly what it is about it that appeals to you - that's useful to me. Or there's music that just sounds good in a car or in a club or on the radio. That's useful too. Angel Haze just exhausts me though. I can appreciate that she's angry and confrontational and raps hard but her songs just mean nothing to me. There's virtually no situation in which I think hey, let's put on some Angel Haze, that's exactly what I need right now.

@deej

I think it's more about how a lot of the people who listen to a lot of rap music agree that future and thug are the ones they keep coming back to.
Which shouldn't be a problem unless you're trying to pitch a story about Kodak Black to some publication and no one wants it because the conversation is still about Young Thug and Future.

we're talking about future vs thug in this thread because they're two stylistically comparable hype-rofilc rappers of 2015. of course there are other rappers.

odd that because in terms of meaningfulness of lyrical content - which i know is not the be all and end all - angel haze is miles ahead of most other artists. back to the woods is about an intense relationship and break-up, mental health and an uncontrollable brain, the legacy of a traumatic upbringing, institutional racism, the ways in which religion and family fuck you up...there is a lot in there to identify with, or to appreciate even if you don't. they're telling their story in a way few other rappers are right now.

there's actually a lot of mileage for a comparison between back to the woods and ds2 as portraits of a post-break-up mind; both are underpinned by a kind of tunnel-vision self-destructive bitter nihilism.

for me, thug doesn't have any of that, what i like on SS1 and "pacifier" is purely beats n hooks rather than me caring about his persona particularly

Which shouldn't be a problem unless you're trying to pitch a story about Kodak Black to some publication and no one wants it because the conversation is still about Young Thug and Future.

this pretty much is a problem, across all genres tho

I know, but it's been that way for a while. And at least now you can write about Future and Young Thug without editors thinking you're nuts.

Btw Lex you should probably pitch the DS2/BBTW comparison piece to someone. It just might work, lol.

lex the last half of barter vi is full of personally intense shit...

I think it's more about how a lot of the people who listen to a lot of rap music agree that future and thug are the ones they keep coming back to.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:50 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this year they're ones w/ a lot of visibility...

meaningful lyrical content doesn't make good music.

i didn't say it did

If I didn't enjoy Barter 6 is there any point my investigating the others?

yes, the people who portray it as his masterpiece are tripping

goddamn these threads are depressing as everybody works through the same script they have a thousand times before. deej comes out of nowhere telling people they're underrating chief keef, lex comes out of nowhere telling people they're underrating angel haze, etc etc.

plus, you guys are forgetting drake

i find this conversation to be pretty unhelpful but i guess personally future can get very one-note for me whereas young thug is kaleidoscopic even as his projects have gotten tonally consistent

the highs on future's records are very very high but overall his tapes can get a bit grayscale to me

seems like Future is kinda deliberately narrowing his sound at the moment, you kind of have to look to the DS2 bonus tracks or "News Or Something" to really get the kind of variety that was baked into Pluto and Honest.

Yeah I made a couple of half-hearted attempts to get into DS2 and it felt like his sound was coalescing around exactly the parts of his discography that I'd previously found the least compelling.

yeah "news or something" and "percocet & stripper joint" are two of my fav songs of his this year

same here

i guess ultimately my fav dozen future songs from across his tapes that i listen to all the time are easily in the very upper echelon of 2015 rap but i'm looking at DS2 right now and songs like "groupies" "lil one" "slave master" "blow a bag" etc i'm not really trying to put in rotation

Matt DC - on the Future thread a bunch of heads made some great personalised playlists of the best stuff from his last albums and when presented like that, the highs are really high and it's really listenable but I'd agree it can get a bit too much of a slog when you're presented with like 5 albums of mixed material

theres a bigger quantity of thugger stuff from this yr in my rotation, but the best future stuff I personally enjoy more. yeah agree abt DS2 having a lot of chafe fwiw

plus, you guys are forgetting drake
― J0rdan S.

"groupies" "lil one" "slave master" "blow a bag"

Three out of four of these songs are incredible (sorry "Slave Master")

1) thug and future have put out a lot of really good rap in the past 12 months but they are obviously just two rappers in a huge genre and there is a ton of other good rap, i would never argue otherwise, i don't really think anyone is arguing that too fwiw
2) i am listening to more rap this year than i ever have but even if i am deep into a genre i always assume i am probably only getting at like 3% of it, maybe 10% at best.
3) if you like future & thug, i imagine that you also listen to other rap besides these two. they are not, like, idk kanye or some major crossover or token rappers. i mean of all the rappers that are prob the only rappers people listen to i would probably not put thug and future in that list. that said i am not active on rap twitter. wrt ILX i would not assume just bc someone is not posting a lot about other rappers (or any musician) that they are not listening to other rappers/musicians
4) AND even if you don't listen to other rap who gives a fuck? at all???? unless you a music critic and it is your job to report on and listen to all kinds of shit who gives a fuck? there is absolutely nothing wrong in any way in going all in deep w/ a few artists (unless you are idk making stupid sweeping claims that your listening represents all that is good about a genre/scene). in 2014 i basically listened to nothing but reggae, electric miles, and joni mitchell and it was one of the most rewarding years of music listening for me. this year i am listening to huge variety of all kinds of shit and it is also super rewarding but also a ton of work tbh, it takes time to read about new artists and listen to new stuff, especially when like i am not a music critic and i have full-time job and two kids and a partner.
6) angel haze is not getting completely ignored, there was like a major fader feature on them recently iirc

i think "slave master" is great but yea groupies and lil one are tedious and i always skip them. ds2 in general sags a lot in the middle

also talking about whether an artist's music is "useful" or not weirds me out a little?

"groupies" is great wtf

idk i'm weird i don't even like "commas"

these guys have been my two favros for a while p easily voted future, even w tha tour included which i feel like it shd be just makes sense i mean when did monster come out, anyway just something abt futures vision is so hypnotic its all internalized and harmonious i love him

fwiw i voted thug bc i was listening to ss2 and really enjoying it and *just* barely starting to feel a little worn out on the future tapes but after reflecting on it i would prob vote future

still listen to my future mix all the time but its def long since entered sick of this but cant stop territory

Who needs art you can't use for something? I know other people have use for stuff I don't but c'mon you have to have some sort of use for something to give it your time, if only at some abstract level.

i sometimes skip slave master -> colossal stretch but often just as i'm reaching for the button i hear the intro and it reels me back in

its cool how mixtapes r becoming more like albums and u cn have like five albums a year from yr fav dudes

my favorites on DS2 are "Blood On the Money" and "Know the Meaning." I love those extra tracks, although the sequence from "I Serve The Base" through "Where Ya At" is impressive.

those songs are next to each other on the album lol

*"Thought It Was A Drought"

colossal has that jazzy zaytoven vibe and i love it, it is such a refresher to those piano keys

this is overly nitpicky but one moment i always :-/ at on the album is the outro/last few bars on drought when he's like "thought it was a drought thought it thought it was a drought thought we poured our actaviiiis" sounds like he had a few bars to fill but hadn't really thought of what to do idk

i like the adlib abt his struggles w data backup

ds2 is weird like i can kinda understand why its the album but not really

DS2 feels a little more solid and reinforced than the mixtapes to me...like not BETTER or substantially different but it sounds like he told the producers "it's album time."

"I do pretty strongly disagree w the idea that thug and future are the only rappers making music worth hearing right now"

Cool because nobody said that.

"wait I thought everyone listened to other rap music...but now it's ok that no one listens to other rap music bc they're the only ones who matter?"

Nobody said that either.

The point is that Future and Thug are making the most and best rap music right. It's only natural that they would occupy a lot of space in the conversation. They deserve it.

*right now

"This is what I hate about the conversation, it's like you're in camp j Cole or camp
Future and there's no in between..."

Well that's a bigger and realer problem I think but at least if you fall on the Future side of the fence you are going to be stumping for a great/the best artist and you probably listened to some other stuff in his lane before landing at that conclusion. Have many Cole or Kendrick fans even heard of Oddisee?

I don't know man I've listened to as much new rap as probably anyone in this thread and while I can appreciate a lot of it nothing has really connected with me the way Future and Thug do. (Except for the Earl tape, as I mentioned upthread, and which hits at a very different angle). And I know I'm not the only person who listens to lots of rap seriously and shares this feeling. I guess if Music Blog Content Mule was still my job title I'd feel some kind of an obligation to pretend to be more enthusiastic about 21 Savage deep cuts but it's not and I'm glad.

some dude
Posted: November 4, 2015 at 11:04:58 AM
DS2 feels a little more solid and reinforced than the mixtapes to me...like not BETTER or substantially different but it sounds like he told the producers "it's album time."

ya p much how i break it down to an extent

feel like ive said this before but the fact that he used clip art for the cover is the perfect statement on albums in the mixtape era lol

21 savage sucks I'm definitely not talking about well probably anyone in Atlanta. LOL

goddamn these threads are depressing as everybody works through the same script they have a thousand times before. deej comes out of nowhere telling people they're underrating chief keef, lex comes out of nowhere telling people they're underrating angel haze, etc etc.

― some dude, Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:33 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No ones arguing about chief keef tho u dork, although it is funny that baltimore's biggest rapper has a song called of all things "OTM" over supposedly non influential drill artist King Louie's "BON" beat

"out the mud" is supposedly a chicago thing now!? anyway the only thing i ever wrote about young moose was all about how derivative he is of rap from other cities

you literally introduced keef into the discussion apropos of nothing, that's indisputable.

just because you personally guard the reputation of every rapper from chicago doesn't mean i give a shit what people say about whoever from baltimore, how do you still think that after 10 years of trying that shit

Otm is funny bc of ilx not Chicago

I don't personally guard Chicago rappers reputations lol wtf are you even talking about

if you don't realize this is a response to your posts on the hip hop thread about how no one cares about Chicago artists outside Chicago you're being willfully ignorant.

Thraed of Chief Keef's "Bang 3" major label abum due in September

"i don't personally guard chicago rappers reputations, i'm just still mad that 7 months ago you dared to suggest kanye west having a lot of people onstage with him was not an homage to chief keef"

That conversation is about chicagos influence in general which you've continually denied, thought maybe your own hometown artists literally picking up on it jacking for beats might make you reconsider but keep doing you

:|

i never said chicago didn't move the needle, but of course that's how it sounds to you if i say that maybe rick ross taking off his shirt in a video doesn't have anything to do w/ chief keef

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i never said chicago didn't move the needle, but of course that's how it sounds to you if i say that maybe rick ross taking off his shirt in a video doesn't have anything to do w/ chief keef

― some dude, Wednesday, November 4, 2015 1:44 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...the video that is an explicit callback to the 'i dont like' video ... ok

we can't have this conversation again

anyway on topic i dont think there's anything wrong with people liking young thug & future and listening to them a lot

That could've been option number 3.

I would vote for that.

...the video that is an explicit callback to the 'i dont like' video ... ok

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, November 4, 2015 3:34 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUoHkql-Wsk

https://bigtonysfantasyleague.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/rick-ross-hold-me-back04.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1365477267_2_svowi.gif

they *literally* do the dance from 'dont like' in the video some dude

ross bit lil reese's 'beef' flow for his song on jay z's album and talked about doing 'the money dance' the next summer how can you *possibly* find this farfetched?

lol ross is even wearing the same belt in those screen caps

This is not a scientific answer to the question, but anecdotally I've heard Thug blaring out of cars in two different cities today, vs zero for Future.

interesting. i hear a lot of Future in the wild but Thug's mainstream presence has been a little muted this year, all he's had on the radio is the 3rd verse on a Rae Sremmurd single, vs. last year when there were 3-4 pretty huge songs where Young Thug was the only performer or did the hook and first verse.

i'm not suggest Rick Ross has never heard or been influenced by Chicago rap, i'm just suggesting that searching for vague signs of influence in a video shot outside in New Orleans projects, full of the tropes of a million NOLA rap videos, is funny.

and im suggesting there was no 'searching' involved, it was immediately obvious that this was what he was doing & the new orleans thing—almost a decade after the last time someone shot a noteworthy video in NO projects—was a very obvious attempt to avoid being seen as biting

i still hear future out of cars all the time of course, young thug i've started to hear more of lately

so rick ross shot his video in new orleans just to throw people off the scent of his true influence which is obviously chicago?

I'm not inside his head? But it doesn't seem remotely farfetched, vs shirtless crew videos where everyone does the shawty lo dance weren't exactly common pre idl. I mean he was on keef's record it was the biggest story this year I don't get why this seems like such a long shot to either of you other than trolling

It's also just what big artists do to create popular records, flip underground ideas on a main stage, isn't this the same as drake biting herb Louie and Gucci flows? This happens all the time!

I listened to Barter 6 again this morning and while it's got it's moments, yep it's definitely not what I want from YT.

Thug's mainstream presence has been a little muted this year, all he's had on the radio is the 3rd verse on a Rae Sremmurd single, vs. last year when there were 3-4 pretty huge songs

Hadn't stopped to think about this but this is surprising. Barter 6 was deliberately singles-adverse, but you'd have thought at least a few of the mixtape tracks or other features would have hit

what about good times? i hear that on urban radio all the time

i heard it on one of the local rap stations once or twice (and it appeared at one point that 300 was pushing it as an advance single for Hitunes), but it never got on the airplay charts.

Yeah that song hasn't gotten much airplay here either, which doesn't surprise me as it doesn't sound like a hit IMO

ok yea it's actually been on my local pirate radio that does a lot of rap/dancehall/rnb and somewhat less commercial stuff (though like hotline bling is still played every hour), it's not boston's hot 97 for instance though, i haven't heard it on boston's more commercial urban stations

it sounds better in a rap radio context than i expected it to tbh, it wouldn't have shocked me if it did happen to take off

well 102.7 jamz in north carolina was playing it & they break a lot of records these days

so its possible

i do agree that in certain contexts it works

i like popcaan's parts a lot

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Jamie xx is a little corny imo and that feels very apparent when I hear good times despite popcaan's and yt's parts , overall though I dig the song

love thugs verse on good times but at some point towards the end of the song various parts of it start looping around unnaturally and it all suddenly strikes me as terribly corny and british

still haven't heard slime 2 but i spent the week listening to slime 1 and i update my ordering

barter 6 > slime season

barter 6 is underwhelming at first (first and last song aside) but i think the flows and hooks on that album are really genius if you can get accustomed to the more subdued vibe of the music overall

i really really like the last song on slime season 1

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daaaaaaaaaaamn thugger by a nose

Thought fewtch would run this tbf

me too

Thugger has more indie fuxx appeal obv

These guys really are the 2015 Andre and big boi lol

i think i forgot to vote & would have voted future, oops

i agree w d-40's first assertion there but would like him to expand on both

Future had max indie fuxx appeal circa Pluto. I should know

WELP metro boomin went on a twitter rant about how rappers are dropping constant mixtapes to try and be like future and young thug took it personally, so this thread is now a bit more relevant

wait neither of them are anything like the first rappers to release a constant stream of material

yeah it's kind of a specious argument to begin with. metro boomin was all "I KNOW about wayne and gucci you guys, but this is different" but it still didn't really come off well. even before YT said anything, my reaction was 'either he's talking about ATL no-names i haven't heard of, or he's talking about young thug, which is weird because they work together.'

metro boomin want no more

metro boomin wants smores

These guys really are the 2015 Andre and big boi lol

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 9, 2015 1:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink\

this is ... not a very good post

i mean ok atlanta rappers who are critically esteemed, sure i guess?

what's wrong with the post?

one is more straightlaced, one more eccentric, one more regular-dude, the other dresses very colorfully and is generally considered the better rapper although it's easy to underrate the other, both from atlanta, i mean it's not a reach exactly

ONE WEARS A DRESS.

i support them forming a group

just because there's 3 of them doesn't mean they're The Beatles

better than the beatles obvs

Future has had the better year, no doubt in my mind. Codeine Crazy, Monster, Hardly, Commas, Drought, Stick Talk, Rotation, Blow a Bag, Real Sisters, Blood on the Money, March Madness, Trap, Never Gon Lose, 56 nights, Jersey, etc etc

Thug just retweeted a RIP Metro Thuggin.

Maaaaaaaaan.

R.I.P. METRO THUGGIN!!!

:(

young thug is the 2015 cee-lo future is the 2015 rest of goodie mob

huh

quoi

why are people so invested in the idea of young thung rapping over metro boomin beats

...thug

future is sartre and thugger is de beauvoir
future is waffles and thugger is kale
future is thugger and thugger is future

http://pitchfork.com/news/62052-future-shares-last-breath/

this is good

i mean as good as a rocky 8 related rap song can be

why are people so invested in the idea of young thung rapping over metro boomin beats

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are they? i think Metro Thuggin was just anticipated because "The Blanguage" was awesome and there was a year where that was the big Young Thug project perpetually on the horizon, and it's a bummer that these 2 guys that at one point were making an album together had some kind of falling out. Metro and Future seems like a more fertile combination overall but there's really no reason these guys can't all work together.

So are we buying this 12 hours later "I wasn't talking about Thug, that would be corny" talk or not?

"You gotta be crazy if you think I subtweeted Thug. That's corny." wellllll if Thug thought you subtweeted him then you're saying if I didn't insult you before I'm insulting you now. not a great attempt at peacekeeping tbh!

Right. London on da track had a tweet along the lines of either Metro is stupid or he's lying and only stupidity is forgivable.

has everyone come around to realize that the future/thug stannery is out of control or are we still calling it str8 deejery

https://twitter.com/alshipley/status/683359954942701568

"Future and Young Thug are the only two rappers that matter" is definitely not that different from "Kendrick and J. Cole are the only two rappers that matter"

its similar except for with better taste and is more true and doesnt contain j cole

future young thug kendrick and j cole are the only four rappers that matter

otm

and this ashtray. Just this ashtray. And future and young thug and kendrick and j cole and that's all I need. And Le1f.

"Future and Young Thug are the only two rappers that matter" is definitely not that different from "Kendrick and J. Cole are the only two rappers that matter"

― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Saturday, January 2, 2016 4:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No but the former argument was contained within the latter and further expounded upon in this thread ... The point was future stans aren't any more open minded just bc future is better than jcole

Boosie is a very good rapper who I never really want to listen to

also Junglepussy is the only rapper who matters

boosies so intense man wow

and Vince Staples

boosie's in my feelings is really good on first listen

I just don't know which Future album to vote for in EOY. I haven't really been treating them as separate releases at all, just listening to them all in one playlist.

i just voted for 2 of em

haven't voted yet but i find it fairly easy to go w/ ds2 even if i also listen to them together or jump back and forth between them

yeah i def rated DS2 highest, the other ones kinda feel like EPs to me

w/ thug barter 6 is an easy pick imo, i find ss1 less and less appealing as the year wrapped up, the shitty mastering and many dud tracks kind of ruins it for me even if there are some standouts. ss2 is wonderful though and i need to spend more time w/ it

I can compile an all-killer album from the three Future releases but none of them seem perfect. Guess I'll plump for DS2 although Beast Mode stands out as it has my favourite track on it.

i understand how opinions work but the idea that anyone thinks DS2 (or Beast Mode or Monster) is better than 56 Nights kinda boggles my mind. all of them of plenty of great moments, but as an album, 56N is a good bit better than the rest imo.

to each his/her own, of course. i just don't get it.

otm

xpost: all of them *have* plenty

ds2 is the worst of em imo

specialy if u discount the dupes from the tapes

production is the best on it though

the mixing/mastering is maybe the best but not the production imo

just getting around to listening to all of these separately and beast mode> 56 nights> monster> ds2

well, that looks like Future's fucked for even being in the EOY.

DS2 > monster > 56 nights >>> beast mode

I think one of the albums (prob DS2) will get enough votes to make it onto the list, but I can hardly imagine that we'll cohere around one song to place onto the singles list.

Publications seem to focus on March Madness and I Serve the Base, but I know there's a lot of passion for Just Like Bruddas and Blood on the Money in these parts.

Just Like Bruddas, followed by March Madness for me FWIW.

i understand how opinions work but the idea that anyone thinks DS2 (or Beast Mode or Monster) is better than 56 Nights kinda boggles my mind. all of them of plenty of great moments, but as an album, 56N is a good bit better than the rest imo.

to each his/her own, of course. i just don't get it.

― alpine static, Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a reason "March Madness" is the song everyone loves off that tape, it's the only one not produced by Southside and the only one that doesn't sound like a variation on "Commas." Zaytoven has a sound too but Beast Mode feels way less monochromatic than 56 Nights to me.

Yeah 56 Nights feels very one-note to me.

Sorry for the noob question, but if it's a collab with DJ Esco, what exactly is he doing on the album, if Southside produced the tracks?

He's the dj, of course, aka the editor. Selecting the tracks and putting them together in a purposeful fashion, the Khaled way.

answered by the man himself

I hope this isn't too rude, but how much of an impact do you have on the creative side of Future's mixtapes? Are you like an executive producer helping keep the project cohesive?
Love your work with Future. Truly the coolest DJ in the world.

DJEscoDJ ESCO
That's not a rude question. You could say I'm the A&R.

The one-note-ness of 56 Nights is actually what makes it work so well to me. It feels like a statement.

they're all quite one-note, but on DS2 the non-highlight tracks still feel like an essential part of the flow and the album whereas on 56N you just want to skip to the highlights (of which the highest is "no compadre" by a million miles)

like, the amount of times i've pressed play on DS2 only intending to cherrypick my favs and ended up listening to the album all the way through...

Otm

obligatory lol @ "by a million miles" - I know you were fishing for it.

the idea that 'no compadre' and 'trap gentleman' sound a lot alike is ridiculous

on 56N you just want to skip to the highlights (of which the highest is "no compadre" by a million miles)

― cher guevara (lex pretend), Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:48 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...

"No Compadre" is definitely an outlier of the Southside tracks. i'm not saying that every song on 56 Nights sounds like each other, i'm saying that in the context of the tape coming out right when "Commas" was blowing up, it sounds like fan service. "you like sirens? have we got sirens for you!"

Those are some sirens though.

diminishing returns imo.

just did some closer b2b listening at lunch. got through all of 56 Nights and the first bit of Beast Mode and there's just no contest - I much prefer Zaytoven's production to Southside's. It manages to keep itself understated but there's a lot more stuff going on, it remains melodic, moody and uplifting at the same time; p much everything I like about Just Like Bruddas.

Yeah, Zaytoven is the best. That doesn't really take anything away from 56 Nights though.

The short runtime and the fact there are a few standout tracks (March Madness especially) stop it being boring, but ultimately I just found 56 Nights a relatively dry listen.

march madness, trap niggas, and title track are the pretty much all i need from 56 nights at this point, the rest is pretty good but the sirens are very grating

dog latin very much otm re zay too

ide tracks. i'm not saying that every song on 56 Nights sounds like each other, i'm saying that in the context of the tape coming out right when "Commas" was blowing up, it sounds like fan service. "you like sirens? have we got sirens for you!"

― some dude, Thursday, 7 January 2016 13:27 (6 hours ago) Permalink

It's "fan service" to make a sonically cohesive mixtape now?

Lots of records used the "commas" siren on tons of mixtapes, it was a blueprint like a smaller scale version of a mustard beat

just no one ever say "fan service" again plz

are producers besides Southside biting the sirens already? so far i've only just heard him use it a bunch of times. "Trap Nas" and Meek's "Check" and a few other tracks are pretty undeniable but i really wish he'd just let it be the signature of "Commas," it's not really something i wanna hear on a hundred different songs.

Beast Mode is sonically cohesive, 56 Nights is monochromatic is how i break it down

"dry" and "monochromatic" is why I like 56 Nights the best, tbh. though maybe the words i'd choose would be "bleak" and "concise"

also...

like, the amount of times i've pressed play on DS2 only intending to cherrypick my favs and ended up listening to the album all the way through

^^ exact opposite for me

i almost always skip groupies, lil one, & freak hoes

just no one ever say "fan service" again plz

― lag∞n, Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:57 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes! please!

ok ok gosh

give em that lip service, some dude

if you can't service your fans then who you gonna serve?

serve the base?

the fanbase that is.

what's the consensus on future's OP10

I voted Future but after hearing "Future Swag" I think it's Jeff.

i was thinking about this earlier and the answer is: Thugger for the summer, Future for the winter.

how long did you think about it

while waiting for traffic lights

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2017/10/future-young-thug-dropping-project-tonight/

!!!

nice

this shit bangs

yup!

oh yeah

Yeah this is good

When do you guys think this was recorded? Feels like an earlier version of Thug

Whatever it is, killed before is the best thug song of the year, besides maybe do u love me

patek water - maaaaaaaate

both intensely overrated at this point but the first few songs on this are pretty tyte

the contrast of their flows is p funny; future just workmanlike chugging through every permutation of the same 3 flows and words for drugs then thugger sounding like he's perpetually making every line up on the spot

good descrip

it's alright, kinda throwaway, nice to have yt to take the pressure off relentless futurism, disappointing to have so many half-finished-sounding beats though

it must get boring to just rap about pills and drinking and fucking so much

try living it man. what a bummer

i like this mostly because these are two guys i like but find wearisome over the course of a whole album and it's nice to have them share the load

future's voice sounds really rough on a couple of tracks, i hope that dude is ok

This bangs imo. Does get a little tired toward the end but you can only keep up that kind of intensity for so long on a record. I like the sonic consistency throughout, like a single ever-evolving song.

fwiw I like the "half-finished beats" feel of it in combination with Thug's vocal style, has a loose, almost going off the rails feel to it.

HEY WHAT KINDA WATER'S THAT IT'S PATEK WATER

Patek Water is so good. Some lovely trickly rhythms going on in there

I JUST BOUGHT MY MOMS A CAR IT FELT AMAZIN!

i wish i had a dollar for every time i've heard some weird word or phrase in a hip hop song and googled it and then it turned out to be some kinda ultra-high end super expensive luxury brand of some sort. i might be able to afford a patek watch!

You would probably be able to afford one just googling the lyrics of this album

Calling a watch "water" is so oblique and wonderful imo. No idea whether that's original to future.

surely it refers to a waterproof watch

I don't think so.

no water like ice (diamonds)

if you have an extra 300K laying around it's almost christmas (hint hint)

https://www.raymondleejewelers.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/patek-all-diamond-1.jpg

yeah that's what I thought

PULL UP IN A
https://storage.googleapis.com/gtspirit/uploads/2014/06/Rolls-Royce-2.jpg

i wish i had a dollar for every time i've heard some weird word or phrase in a hip hop song and googled it and then it turned out to be some kinda ultra-high end super expensive luxury brand of some sort.

i know it's just old man yelling at cloud or whatever but i'm so burnt out on hearing this shit tbh

normally I feel that way but this mixtape takes it to such excess that it becomes elevated, and the future-styled autotuned vocals give it a bittersweet undertone.

it's kinda funny i feel like future has such a blank affect that people project so much sorrow and all this existential stuff onto a guy that mostly just raps about expensive shit and doing drugs and having sex

Kind of a similar appeal to Roxy Music weirdly

funny how art works makes u think

xp to UMS I think Group Home has a lot of sorrow in it

go for your sorrow boom boom explode!

I have a strange desire to buy cartier socks now

I think I like Huncho Jack, Jack Huncho better than this

But Without Warning is better than both.

Listened to it today, and Real Love sounded like such a sad sequel to Turn On the Lights. Something about the autotuned Future voice in the background.

i can't hang w/21 savage

yeah without warning >

On his own, 21 Savage is dull, but he is the perfect foil for Offset at his most hyper.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, December 18, 2017 3:06 AM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

oops, I mean:

HEY WHAT KINDA WATER'S THAT IT'S PATEK WATER

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, December 18, 2017 3:06 AM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

"way 2 sexy" is future's first number one, yes?

i just looked and for singles yes, the majority of his albums have been #1 tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_discography

mask off at 5 is his his only big hit on his own

Weird, I don't really pay attention to what's in the charts but I honestly thought Future's time in the sun had passed but his last album made number 5 in the UK

Mask off being his biggest hit is a bizarre blip of timing w the advent of streaming and the strength of meme novelty, def not his biggest record in real world sense

not sure what else it would be... turn on the lights idk, i think meme novelty counts

it doesnt though..that song didn't get more club play or whatever. its like saying "thank you next" by ariana grande is bigger than "vogue" by madonna, or that certified lover boy is bigger than thriller. get real

if you see future live, it def feels like “march madness” is his biggest track, but i do think “mask off” is likely the future song a casual music fan is likely to know

march madness is def his best song and yeah prob the fave w his big fans

xheugy eddy (D-40)
Posted: September 16, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM
it doesnt though..that song didn't get more club play or whatever. its like saying "thank you next" by ariana grande is bigger than "vogue" by madonna, or that certified lover boy is bigger than thriller. get real

omg im not saying any of those things im just saying it counts some amount

all songs are memes if you think about it, the club is a group chat

dirty sprite is ten years old so many greta tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCpWu_4wpoM

God I thought you meant DS2 for a second there

its 11 years old

i musta read the tweet wrong. even older then

it's also wild to me that he was 28 when ds1 dropped!

*27. still tho!

futurism

Chief Keef really did belong in the conversation at this time lol . faneto was only a year old when the thread started

i like the adlib abt his struggles w data backup

― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:38 PM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

Ok so astronaut status is 10 today lol

I find it weird that Mask Off still hasn't become a major pandemic hit.

future say shit like "your racks will neva b honorable" i really fuck wit dude music alot

— thebe kgositsile (@earlxsweat) December 25, 2021