Mr. Bungle's California C or D?

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Mr. Bungle's '99 album, California. Classic or dud?

nickalicious, Monday, 4 November 2002 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i remember liking it

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steve k, Monday, 4 November 2002 21:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Unbelievably classic..."Pink Cigarette" is just the best suicide song, and there's another track that sounds like Hall and Oates on nitrous (you on nitrous, not Hall & Oates). A masterwork of many moods.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 4 November 2002 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wore myself out of it, but it's definitely their best record, and one of the best of 1999. "Air Conditioned Nightmare" and everything from "Golem II" and after are brilliant.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 4 November 2002 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic!!!!!!!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Monday, 4 November 2002 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Killer, one of my favorite albums!!!!

Los Angeles, Monday, 4 November 2002 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. Disco Volante
2. Mr. Bungle
3. California

But that doesn't mean it's not pretty good.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 4 November 2002 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah yes, Disco Volante, that nightmarish-ever-shifting-soundscape, one of the most challenging (and rewarding) 60+ minutes of music ever compiled together. Hard to listen to, but well, well worth it. IMHO, of course.

Then there's also the debut...the John Zorn-produced sick-funk-metal freakout with the clown on the cover. Myself, at 16 years old, was just not ready for something of that nature...so, I grew by listening. "Girls of Porn" is one of my all-time favorite songs...about as funky as anything any white folks have ever done.

Of course, the thing with California is that it's weird and crazy as anything anybody this side of Karlheinz Stockhausen ever did, but in an amazingly accessible and approachable way.

I would personally consider all of 'em classics...including California. I'm hoping someone will post on here that Mr. Bungle sucks and makes unlistenable noise, cause all this agreeing is creeping me out a little.

nickalicious, Monday, 4 November 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would personally consider all of 'em classics...including California. I'm hoping someone will post on here that Mr. Bungle sucks and makes unlistenable noise, cause all this agreeing is creeping me out a little.

RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS TO THREAD

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 4 November 2002 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah yes, Disco Volante, that nightmarish-ever-shifting-soundscape, one of the most challenging (and rewarding) 60+ minutes of music ever compiled together. Hard to listen to, but well, well worth it. IMHO, of course.

Ever listened to Faxed Head's "Uncomfortable But Free"?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 4 November 2002 22:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Disco Volante is the best, yes, but California is better than the self-titled one. I loved it as a kid but it hasn't aged all that well. I guess, uh, it's the best funk-metal album(???) out there. Plus, Patton sings in that nasal style he dropped pretty soon after. Props for all the Blue Velvet samples, tho.

California is very nice but it just doesn't have anything as great as "Desert Search for Techno Allah" on it, though "Golem II" and "Goodbye Sober Day" come damn close. I'd actually like to hear another album like this where the songs were just a bit stronger. That'd be all-time classic stuff.

Faxed Head didn't seem all too great when I heard them but Secret Chiefs 3 are classic!

original bgm, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's one of the only albums I've heard in the last few years that actually made me stop what I was doing to say, "Whoah..."

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love and have this album, same as Disco Volante. Is there any news of a new album any time soon? I know about the numerous other band projects put on by the members and others, but anything Bungle-ized?

Ashley Andel, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 02:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

and Secret Chiefs 3's Hurqalya-Second Grand Constitutions... is utterly creepy, uplifting and truly spellbinding.

Ashley Andel, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 02:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

An incredible album that I wore myself out of like donut bitch. I'm sure I'll put it on again in a couple years and freak out all over again.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Amazing! Pure agreement!

matt riedl (veal), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Second Grand Constitutions is AMAZING. Have you heard the newest one? Didn't grab me at first but me and a friend were sitting around listening to it and we both realized that I was being a fool. I think this happened around that track that sounds like 70s Miles Davis with horns from a Godzilla movie!

original bgm, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

"...70s Miles Davis with horns from a Godzilla movie..."

LOL! I know the one you're talking about! I have absolutely no idea of the title though--as is the case with all that Secret Chiefs 3 stuff.

I love the Second Grand Constitutions...I can't believe a piece of music can be so ethereal, disturbing, and fun all at the same time!

nickalicious, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
California is getting old very quickly. Some of the songs drag too much, to me, and a lot of the singing is annoyingly goofy. Too much whimsy. (It kind of seems like a waste of talent, actually. There's a lot of brilliance here, but I'm not sure I like how it's being used.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 13 March 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can see what you're saying Rockist. Although I don't agree witcha. :D

Have you heard/how do you feel about Fantomas? I've been listening to them a lot lately, The Director's Cut in particular. If you don't know, it's Mike Patton and Trevor Dunn from Bungle with King Buzzo from The Melvins and Dave Lombardo from Slayer. Their music is absurdly intense, and there's nothing goofy about it; except for maybe the faces Trevor Dunn makes.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 March 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

nickalicious, I know of Fantomas, but haven't heard them. (I'm new to Mr. Bungle/Mike Patton and so forth.) I gather that I would probably have even more problems with the first couple Mr. Bungle albums, based on my complaints..

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 13 March 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

The first one: yeah. It's jokey as fuck. Song titles like "Girls of Porn" and "My Ass is On Fire". Not your thing.

The second one: Disco Volante. This one I think you would like more than the others. It's disturbing, creepy, powerful, methodical, all sorts of shit. Not very much about it could be called "goofy" or "jokey" (okay, the 'secret song' after track 3 might not go over well with you, but that's about it). It's their most focused and down-right EVIL album for sure. If there's an album of there's that you would like, it's this one...based on my extremely-limited-knowledge of your tastes, that is. :D

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Except that I probably like some of the whimsy, on the more technical end. I really like some of the "old-fashioned" electric guitar sounds on this album, that squelchy sort of sound that reminds me of Les Paul. I like the thrashier (?) sounds as well though. I guess my favorite tracks are the first two.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think my favorites are #2 "None of Them Knew They Were Robots", #s4&5 "Air-Conditioned Nightmare" and "Ars Moriendi" (the juxtaposition of the klezmer and the arabian and the polka and the death metal in that song, plus the lyrics, to me = ABSURD GENIUS), as well as the very last one "Goodbye Sober Day", which is among my favorite actually-delivers-on-"blowing-my-mind" songs EVAH. Plus that one bit sounds like a cricket orgy.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

California is totally fun, boggling and still good poppy catchy music, ie stuff like "Goodbye Sober Day" gets stuck in my head all the time. Why buy a dozen albums when they can cram that much music into one?

Fivvy (Fivvy), Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

my favorite song is vanity fair

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the "cut this cancer from my soul" part in that one. It gives me wicked goosebumps.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

i avoided this whole crew like the plague until someone played me Fantomas' "Director's Cut" in the car. i was totally blown away. and when i watch the movies that these songs were taken from, is just pure joy. you sit there imagining the heavy metal versions of Rosemary's Baby or the Godfather.

i then became sort of a fanatic for a few months collecting all the side projects, but from what little i heard, Tomahawk didn't do it for me. it sounded too straight. almost Faith No More-ish.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

tomahawk doesnt do it for me either but you cant blame m.patton's desire to release a "straight rock" album once in a whle.

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mike Patton's done a CD with Dan the Automator called Peeping Tom that's supposed to come out one of these days. It's supposedly "commercially accessible"...but after hearing them work together on Loveage, I'm pretty confident it'll be good stuff.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

"California" is one of those albums that I played FAR too much when I first bought it, but unlike most poppy music (which, I suppose, California really is), it never grew remotely dull, I just kept finding new things to enjoy about it.

I don't think Patton has been involved with much great music recently, I'd rather listen to Jesus Lizard than Tomahawk, the first Fantômas was very good, but the covers album was dull. Lovage just wasn't a thing for me.
Oh crap, I'm being a negative panda. Sorry.

California was my most highly anticipated album the year it came out, to the point that I imported it because the release in Norway got delayed. Those situations are always scary, as my hopes grew so frigging huge. Imagine my joy when the first listen turned out to be pure bliss.

Oh yeah, the second Secret Chiefs 3 album is wonderful as well, the debut rather blotchy, whilst the third one I still haven't listened to enough to really give a bunly opinion on. Apparently three more SC3 albums are coming out this year. Yikes!

BTW, how are Patton's solo albums? As far as I've gathered, he's essentially pulling a bunch of Demetrio Stratos sounding stuff on them?

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

the only song i like on this album anymore is 'pink cigarette'

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

His solo albums are creepy and messed up. Adult Themes for Voices he recorded by himself in hotel rooms while on tour. The second one (title slips my mind) he recorded with Marc Ribot and JOhn Zorn. It's kinda a mind-screwer.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ribot and Zorn?
Hmm, damn, I thought both of them were a capella.
I might just have to look that one up, thanks.

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 13 March 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Goodbye Sober Day" is brilliant. My favorite on an album I really love.

As for Tomahawk, they're much beter live than on that record. They actually did this 10min+ drone rock thing when I saw em, so I'm hoping their next one is bit more unconventional.

original bgm, Friday, 14 March 2003 02:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is this the one with "Girls of Porn" on it? "oh god cheeks, tight fucking cheeks..."

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nope.

original bgm, Friday, 14 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Girls of Porn"...one of the defining moments of my teenage existence is listening to that for the first time ever on headphones on the bus on the way home from school and laughing out loud and getting stares from other bus riders, and not caring and still laughing because I couldn't believe anybody had the balls to write a song like that. Still one of my favorites today.

Oh, and it's on their self-titled first proper album, with the creepy clown on the cover. John Zorn produced that one, btw.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like that one. I saw Mike Patton take a dump in the corner of a club in Boston right before a FNM gig. He did it into a paper bag and carried it across the street over towards Fenway.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mike Patton is a genius even when he's defecating in public.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 14 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Absolutely, but a complete lunatic if you ask me.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 14 March 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

hes actually a really sweet man. his life is his work he really doesnt do anything else.

chaki (chaki), Friday, 14 March 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't do anything else but my life either.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
How can there only be one single Mr.Bungle thread?


listening to "Chemical Marriage" right now, and it still cracks me up this many years later.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 June 2005 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link

California is definitely classic! Easily Mr. Bungle's best.

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Friday, 17 June 2005 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It's my favourite Mr Bungle too I think.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the other ones better. First one was the best. California is neither classic or dud, but merely middle-of-the-road.

Chemical Marriage is a Hermetic term, by the way. Disco Volante is loaded with Hermetic axioms (that's the occult for you stupid types) and I would like to know why. The songs are just goofiness, so why pretend they are deep and mystical?

Mr. Fanto Menlvin's Bungalo, Friday, 17 June 2005 11:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I blame Trey Spruance -- cf. Secret Chiefs. P.S. Ars Moriendi owns both you and your boss.

Petroski (petroski), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

The songs are just goofiness, so why pretend they are deep and mystical?

Strikes me that virtually everything Mr.B did was designed first and formost to fuck with people. That you've spent time scratching your head about this means they've succeeded, I suppose.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed on California's goodness. A record that made me laugh with pleasure when I first heard it, it's so sharp.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

And once again, that Bungle concert story.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
That is a great story, Ned. This album is totally blowing me away, like few other albums have. Right now, I can only think of Pony Express Record, Loveless, and Kill the Moonlight. Holy shit!

regular roundups (Dave M), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

lol JJ wants to have this album's babies

Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Thursday, 16 October 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link

There's one more hoooour until you will find me deeead

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link

3 analog 24 tracks chained together. That has probably not happened since.

Nate Carson, Friday, 17 October 2008 10:14 (fifteen years ago) link

best album ever, perhaps. apart from disco volante.

m the g, Friday, 17 October 2008 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link

pink cigarette is a great song. is it supposed to be an an homage to david lynch? cuz it sounds like an even more warped bad-acid-trip version of Julee Cruise.

Dog/Face/Chain (res), Friday, 17 October 2008 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Just listened to this a coupla times today, the CHAKCHAKCHAKCHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKA*RIFFFFFF* bit in Goodbye Sober Day is my new favourite bit, but this is always subject to change.

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Friday, 17 October 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

That's taken from Indonesian kecak music. Buy a kecak CD and just hear that CHAKCHAKCHAKCHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKA bit all day!

jigglepanda.gif (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 October 2008 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

This band got better with every album for real.

jigglepanda.gif (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 October 2008 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Well I just listened to Disco Volante right thru again and I'd quite possibly dispute that, but the last 2 are simply titanic (and the 1st one merely very very very good)

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Friday, 17 October 2008 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link

My old roommate was a big Mike Patton fan, I never understood why. Mr. Bungle reminds me of this:

cameron carr, Friday, 17 October 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

oh good cameron carr is here

SANJAY BLOGDAI SANJAY (John Justen), Friday, 17 October 2008 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

This album is absolute magic from beginning to end. So many chills inducing moments, including:
"Save me, the heavens have opened, I'm coming home sweet charity"
The fiddle riff at 0.53 in Ars Moriendi
"From the skyscrapers down to the submarines"
When the extra-layered vocals come back in after the freak-out instrumental in The Holy Filament
The chorus of RetroVertigo ("staring into glassy eyes, mesmerize")
All of Pink Cigarette

chap, Saturday, 18 October 2008 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Cameron, if that's what you think Bungle sound like you've probably only listened to the first album, and not very closely at that. YouTube Pink Cigarette and give it a listen, you'll be astounded by the difference.

chap, Saturday, 18 October 2008 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

that video is like if cardiacs were really bad and unimaginative, which is not a universe i want to be in

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Saturday, 18 October 2008 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

This is one of those albums I always thought I'd like but have never heard.

jaymc, Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link

If Naked City covering Pet Sounds seems like something you'd like, you should check it out. I was a fan from the first album onward and caught the California tour with an early incarnation of Dillinger Escape Plan opening. So good.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 19 October 2008 01:42 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

does patton smoke crack or what? listening to this now

Don't hag me with your false green. (jdchurchill), Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

this is mr bungle's pop album muahahahahaha

They are known for contracting the ugliest players, like Kuyt (country matters), Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Same guy who engineered this recorded my last album. He's freakin awesome.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 3 September 2009 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/mr-bungle-california-20-year/

j., Friday, 14 June 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

This never been polled?

chap, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:21 (four years ago) link

Goodbye Sober Day would surely take it

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link

(or Pink Cigarette...maybe you should poll it after all!)

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link


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