Thraed of Lil Peep

Sure to be divisive emo grunge rapper

Good example of Tim F's theory of how the best stuff these days sounds terrible on paper, the "...but better than that sounds" theorem

Nice n repulsive

I think this will bring about an interesting mix of ilx tribes splitting apart and unexpected allies finding common cause

"Beamer boy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKalQrHXayI
"About U" https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/about-u-prod-
"Kiss" https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/kiss-prod-smokeasac
Hellboy mixtape https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/sets/hellboy

concur that this will be divisive

does he rap at all or just make indie rock?

Nothing about this strikes me as very "indie rock" at all, melodies sound like grunge and some songs sample emo. But many of the biggest new rappers are singing like this, keef diaspora, Uzi vert etc. peep himself comes from a scene of rappers fathered by spaceghostpurp, raider klan and pouya and fat nick, he was actually discovered by J Green who produced a lot of late era stuff for three six mafia and Dj Paul circa 2012. JGreen, Lil Peep, and another dude Ghostmane were a group called Schema Posse which had a more overt Memphis by way of spaceghostpurp in Florida sound. Since going solo Peep has melded that w a more modern rap sensibility via keef circa bang 2--the sing-song stuff with poppier melodies like "macaroni time" and "love no thotties" (you can hear explicit nods w keef adlibs scattered on Hellboy)-- which he melds again w a more pop rock sound that seems to come from emo. (You also hear Uzi vert doing something similar, people compare him to blink 182 and pop punk all the time even though he's making rap records).

Oops "About You" link was broken: https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/about-u-prod-brobak

Melds might be the wrong word but he's making the underlying pop melodic associations we have with pop punk connecting to current day rap more explicit by using rock music textures in his production where most straight up rap artists still are fairly comfy with synthesizers

I realize I'm mixing pop punk and emo and grunge in and out of the soup of sonic touchpoints here but I think those are purposeful textural elements for a guy who is centered in a rap tradition even though it will probably come off to many people as just being ... rock

the guitars on "the way I see things" sound like Best Coast

dunno where you get "grunge," that stuff was all about chromatic harmonies iirc, which you won't find here

poptimism has gone to far on this shitty website

"Unlike the other late-20s ironic message board whites, this guy got into lil ugly mane BEFORE he got into shitty consequence of sound indie rock, not the other way around. Dicks out for Harambe"

Who gave the dude from Salem an acoustic guitar and voice lessons

i'm mostly interested in lil peep as a sex symbol but some of his music is pretty cool

hellboy tape leans a little acoustic guitar for me. it sounds to me like what post malone thinks he is, like dirty skeezed out druggie post-keef teen zeitgest music except post malone is a rich kid playing dress up. (i guess i can't pretend to know peep's background so maybe more to the point is that he sells the persona better regardless.)

some of the pre-hellboy stuff on youtube that is a little more grounded in rap production sounded a bit more right to my ears

dunno where you get "grunge," that stuff was all about chromatic harmonies iirc, which you won't find here

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:54 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You won't? I'm not the only one making this comparison but something like "omfg" off hellboy makes me think grunge way more than fucking best coast

"Unlike the other late-20s ironic message board whites, this guy got into lil ugly mane BEFORE he got into shitty consequence of sound indie rock, not the other way around. Dicks out for Harambe"

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't ironic at all though! Thread wouldn't be complete without Whiney's inaccurate hipster studies I guess

I'm not sure grunge was about harmonies at all tbh, certainly a certain melodic sensibility though

what does this guy do that bones didn't

sd is my favorite grunge rapper

one of the main things that set grunge apart was it leaned toward modes it was imo copping from old zeppelin records but whether that's the case or not, their dudes tended to favor scales & harmonies outside the trad hard rock blues & minor blues that had informed most-but-not-all of the heavy music prior to grunge. melodies and harmonies go hand in hand, the modes yr favoring are gonna suggest sympathetic harmonies. alice in chains to me is the classic example of the "grunge harmony" but nirvana, stp, soundgarden lean hard on phrygian & aeolian modes and their vocal harmonies reflect that in a way that's super-important to how the genre sounds imo.

"the way I see things," the track I mentioned as sounding like best coast, does not sound like any of that, but does sound like best coast.

I hear the best coast comparison in the ~atmospheric gauzy production sound don't get me wrong but that feels like an incidental product of the scene he's coming out of

He's different than bones because he's singing & has a more interesting sense for melody and is not rapping in the 3000th iteration of lord infamous flows. His music is also just a lot less dry--more (melo)dramatic, romantic

Also yes I understand that grunge relied on different melodic tools and I'm arguing to you that this is something Lil Peep is also coming to, almost seemingly by accident. Most of the songs on hellboy remind me more immediately of Alice In Chains melodically than any recent indie

And I'm speaking of his vocal melodies here not the instrumentation per se tho I do think there are some beats which could fit this aesthetically

well, I give any musician full credit for arriving at whatever musical destination he/she arrives at, so I think this guy gets to be credited with making something new out of the stuff that informs his own work, we just differ on what that stuff is. I just hear very very little of what you're ref'ing and a lot more 'verbed guitar/millennial "whoop" you'll forgive me/anthemic indie than I do the aggressively 'we are not blues-based or major key' gestures of the grunge bros. this guy sounds like the mainstream lil b to me. you probably hate lil b, I'm agnostic I just like to think about rap and casually keep track of what's going on, but his whole vibe, based on what I've checked out since this morning, feels very mainstream indie to me.

just based on my own experiences, I think a lot of rap dudes listen to a lot more indie rock than people generally suspect (cf. "the recipe")

lol i thought bones did sing but i guess i'm remembering him wrong

anyway lil peep is not good sorry man

Now that we've already gotten to "you're just wrong actually" I'm Excited for the potential of this thread

Also forgot how defensive people were about the artistic seriousness of 90s alternative lol where's flopson to remind me of the context of the last time we had this argument

dude I hate that music unreservedly, 100% of it, but I know once you get shown where your claims don't work you resort to all manner of hilarious strategies. I knew once actual musical terms came into the discussion you'd weave though, never change bro

How have I been shown my claims don't work? Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge hasn't been "disproven" because you said you listened to one song and thought it reminded you of beach house.

Dropping a bunch of musical terms that btw I am actually familiar with--I studied jazz and am very familiar w the Dorian and phyrgian modes & what they mean harmonically is not some decisive death blow to an argument about an artist you've given a cursory skim. I haven't addressed your specific claims mainly bc you kept talking about "harmonies" when I was talking about a vocalist's *melodic* sensibilities? One who doesn't often harmonize

Being that he is basing his music around loops like most rap artists of course the songs don't have the underlying harmonic structure of grunge but then that was never a claim I made

i did not study jazz and i am not familiar with phyrgian modes but still i am confident that lil peep is not good

"I studied jazz and this, like everything I see and hear, sounds like Chief Keef"

Chris you haven't actually been in touch with what's going on in rap since the Clinton administration

But I'm stoked to figure out what new stone you can possibly overturn to say something new about run the jewels next time though

At least this time noz can't delete evidence of being wrong like he did w his blogs

david if you deleted your blogs would anyone notice

Good point that has a lot of of bearing on this conversation that you felt obliged to respond to for some reason

https://media.giphy.com/media/UVqPbnRA3vjOw/giphy.gif

Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge

in what way do they remind you of 90s grunge? This should be easy, as 90s grunge had several really distinctive musical qualities that set it apart from the hard rock of the day. I don't hear any of these in the stuff you linked; I do hear, and showed you in easy to understand terms, Beach House and mainstream indie. you don't like the idea of boosting something that reminds you of stuff you'd rather not be culturally aligned with, so you say it doesn't sound like that stuff, but it kinda does. sorry! a lot of the metal I like reminds me of Paganini, even though I do not like Paganini. Those are the breaks!

attempting to argue this on a legit musical basis w/deej w/o ad-homs tho obv we all know how that'll end but w/e

(also for the record actually discussing what's going on is not "dropping musical terms." I know you can't help but think of actual musical discussion that way, but that's on you, not on people who like to talk about music.)

sorry i'll get back on topic - lil peep is not good

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

The melodies

He uses

Are often not blues-based

Sounds to me like he does make frequent use chromatic intervals but I haven't rigorously reviewed his work from a musicological perspective so I'm not going to lean on a musicological argument--besides, you asking me to do so is clearly a trap along the lines of when ppl thought I was trying to say keef was being "complex" and therefore good by taking an unorthodox rhythmic approach

All I can say is that the melodic choices he makes remind me of the gloomy depressed trapped feel of stuff like Alice In Chains & similar 90s grunge stars that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

I do think it's funny that an indie rock artist is trying to convince me of the vast influence of indie in the year of our lord 2016 when about 8 people still listen or talk about indie rock

And while I'm not as familiar with his influences in this area, I do know he's sampled multiple emo records, which suggests to me his influences are probably more along those lines than traditional indie as such

How in all these threads where three people (inevitably one of them is always Joan Crawford of the band best coast) pile on me abt the music I like in their most condescending shitthead tones always throw up their hands and accuse me of ad hominem attacks part way through

Wait -- noz what do you think of lil peep?

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 7:39 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're just showing how little you know about the scene he comes from but keep going good to have these with time stamps and everything.

I should mention that it's not just the melodies but the texture of many of the beats and the sneering smeared singing style that enhances teh grunge aesthetic in my mind

well david i'm glad you asked i think - and know - that lil peep is not good

Give Willy his tweet style back

haha i am willying a bit the internet is fun

i sort of see where david is coming from re grunge but ultimately i hear more depressed cali junkie RHCP/sublime vibes than seattle grunge

There's def some of that too. Kind of a louche LA burnout thing. "Girls" def should have had a John fruscianti feature

Idk about sublime though

hm, this is not good on first contact but hey

Bums me out that rap and indie rock are now basically indistinguishable tbh

This is like when ppl thought kreayshawn was a "hipster"

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

the common demeanor of rap & grunge is skate right ?

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 2:56 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha post Malone wishes

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, November 7, 2016 6:42 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't abt "cultural positioning" I just think you don't actually get what this is or where it's influences are coming from, you think this sounds like "indie" and I think indie rock is probably the ninth most popular form of music having an influence on a nineteen year old kid listening to popular music in 2016 & while there might be some textural or surface level commonalities w the genre it's really not a primary touchpoint for this nor does it really reflect his sensibility or approach--this is very sincere music & he writes lyrical w a brush that feels much more like rap meets emo than something intended to appeal to ppl reading gorilla vs bear or whatever. I do agree to some extent about the blink 182 thing

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

oh i was wondering if you'd ever make a thread about this. when you sent it to me a few months ago i didn't know what to make of it and tbh i still don't

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:15 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:59 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the traphouse For Squirrels

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 7, 2016 10:08 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah yes, there's nothing that millennials love more than the 20 year legacies of things, which is why all new music sounds likes Cibo Matto

I remember when Salem and How to Dress Well came out, my first thoughts were how they truly honored and respected and appreciated the 20 year legacy of Houston rap

i just love that as soon as some juggalo decides to be the drill Machine Gun Kelly, D-40 immediately races to ILX to start repping for [extremely mixtape voice] REAL... TEEN... SHIT

https://twitter.com/jaybirdhh/status/795122968347209728

Finally the Kitty Pryde that won't give D-40 girl germs

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 3:56 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark

this makes me feel better about defending peep

now he's a juggalo...now he's the male kitty pryde...now he's indie rock...now he's real teen shit...

I thought to myself "maybe I'm being too dismissive of this dude based on 90 terrible seconds of 'Beamer Boy'" and decided to listen to "Kiss"

This does sound a LOT like Violent J singing over a Chainsmokers downtempo track, deej

is that "indie"?

i dont disagree w/ that description tbh

whatever you want to call it, it isn't "good"

there's definitely something 'hot for 2010' about this sort of thing

actually wait chainsmokers production doesnt really sound like this

"this dogshit is squishy like a banana"
"bananas aren't squishy exactly, what if they're still in the peel?"
"well it smells like garbage"
"not like any kind of garbage I've ever thrown out"
"it's stuck to the bottom of my shoe"
"how can it be 'sticky' and 'squishy' at the same time?"
"well it's certainly dogshit"
"i think we've proven you don't understand what dogshit is, haven't we?"
"okay i'm gonna go"
"STAY HERE AND TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS DOGSHIT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr2s5wCF0c

"that reminded me... of justin bieber... gone bad"

JCLC's got yr number deej

"this dogshit is squishy like a banana"
"bananas aren't squishy exactly, what if they're still in the peel?"
"well it smells like garbage"
"not like any kind of garbage I've ever thrown out"
"it's stuck to the bottom of my shoe"
"how can it be 'sticky' and 'squishy' at the same time?"
"well it's certainly dogshit"
"i think we've proven you don't understand what dogshit is, haven't we?"
"okay i'm gonna go"
"STAY HERE AND TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS DOGSHIT"

― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, November 7, 2016 10:34 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

youre acting like there's some objective truth to your dislike of this music but this is actually a recording artist, not literal dogshit

i dont gaf if a bunch of out of touch 30+ year old men think this sucks, im not going to argue w/ your subjective experience of the music, but if you're going to misdescribe it or try & say the banana is made of dogshit, im going to point out that its actually not

i dont gaf if a bunch of out of touch 30+ year old men think this sucks

well you did start a thread on ILM about it so methinks thou doth protest too much

^^^first fair point in this thread

i dont gaf if a bunch of out of touch 30+ year old men think this sucks,

aren't you over 30 by now yung deejo?

yes, im just saying its not like i expect the majority of my demographic cohort to love it, just those with exceptional taste

it's cool ums, deej is "one of the good ones"

youre acting like there's some objective truth to your dislike of this music but this is actually a recording artist, not literal dogshit
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

yes, im just saying its not like i expect the majority of my demographic cohort to love it, just those with exceptional taste

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 7, 2016 11:00 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha ok you got me legit lolling at work, bravo

listening to Ka and paying my bills online #grownmanrap

i actually don't mind lil peep too much really, but it seems like really in the vein of a lot of stuff now like spooky black and alan kingdom and all that other shit i dunno what makes this so different

Struggling to believe Lil Peep is actually a real artist and that this isn't just some algorithmically-generated thread based on everyone's known posting styles.

haha otm

the question is : will he ever be as successful as yung lean ?

he will be much more successful than yung lean

deej also what is the extent of your jazz training? do you play? or were you a music theory major or something?

hand-sewed spiritual jazz hats iirc

https://www.music-map.com/lil+peep.html

i played trumpet for idk 12 years, ~3-4 years seriously in HS-> college before realizing i didn't want to be a music major. i still have my trumpet. studied classical & jazz, did a couple summer programs for jazz around that time. played in a jazz combo for a bit in high school out of a real book, haa. Jazz was big at my H.S.—one of the guys who graduated when I was a freshman was asked to join lincoln ctr jazz orchestra by wynton iirc, and a guy i graduated with still plays trumpet & works as a musician in LA, you can hear him on trumpet on this terrace martin live performance of kendrick's "for free" https://soundcloud.com/terrace-martin-music/terrace-martin-friends-for-free-live-at-del-monte-speakeasy

i was interested mainly in improvisation & did a lot of trying to transcribe solos. i can also circular breathe, lol

cool you should start to play again! terrance martin thing is really good

i'm pretty sure i'm the first person to have thought of this but maybe you could combine ~~~jazz & hip hop~~~ think about the possibilities

biddy biddy bop
funky funky

lol

my lazy comparisons after listening to hellboy: Blink 182, Why?, Rae Sremm, Clouddead, FKi

that reminds me, Digable Planets are playing here tomorrow and I can't bag my friend's election party to go see them ;_;

my lazy comparisons after listening to hellboy: Blink 182, Why?, Rae Sremm, Clouddead, FKi

― Spottie, Monday, November 7, 2016 1:26 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark

here's someone who gets it

I'll jump on the pro-Peep pigpile and agree with D-40. There's something there. I love the track White Wine with Lil Tracy. My wife and the few friends I've shared it with are like, NO. This is Warped Tour burnout, I sell Oxy and chug magnums of Yellowtail at the gas station shit. He's going to be bigger than Spooky Black and Yung Lean.

he's probably already bigger than yung lean and spooky black

at least going by streaming numbers considering pretty much no mainstream press has picked up on him yet

yes, im just saying its not like i expect the majority of my demographic cohort to love it, just those with exceptional[ly contrarian] taste

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), 7. november 2016 17:00 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A philologist from the future stopped by to emend your corrupted text. Thank him in your footnotes.

as goes yelploaf so goes the country

How is it contrarian to make a thread about a new artist I like before anyone on ilx has even weighed in

Because he's not very good?

I wouldn't necessarily say "contrarian", probably more "weirdly optimistic in the face of an overwhelming historical trend re: how ppl here react to acts like this"

xxxp - let's hope so. i voted for the Socialist, Alyson Kennedy.

oh deej loves it

between 'beemer boy' and 'gym class' man i feel like lana del rey looms over this. of all people.

"Acts like this"...the point I made in the opening post was that this was an example of an artist like years & years where it sounds bad on paper but is actually good, which has recently had a pattern of positive responses on this board actually. For some reason I can't understand the first responders on any thread I make about music are ppl like joan shakey forks et all who I share little in common w musically at least as far as new music

Oh. I'd argue that Years & Years isn't really that good either, rendering the thesis null and void but eh, pvmic etc

(I also think the specific type of artist you were thinking of would come to other people's minds more readily if you, you know, named them when you made allusions to them.)

I was the 7th person to post on this thread and I posted like 2 things but sure ok we are all out to get you

It begins http://p4k.in/9adBEKA

i like that, sounds like blink-182 x witch house

he's making the underlying pop melodic associations we have with pop punk

if pop punk you mean the mall punk whatever smashmouth type stuff then yes, that is very present here. Unfortunately for me.

@ jordan : yung lean has a song with 20M views... he's not as popular.

The European weighs in on the popularity of a European rapper

i think spanish people couldn't care less about a swedish rapper though.

yung lean's most recent videos have like 1-2 million views, peep isn't quite there yet but also has no press or record label

So... He's not as popular

yung lean is completely forgotten in the us except as a meme maybe. im sure that currently, peep has a good claim on being more popular

like, post malone's album is about to flop, most guys in that ironic cloud rap vein have the lifespan of a meme

Lil Peep - better or worse than Yung Lean? DISCUSS!

I do not want you to discuss that, btw. I just don't see the appeal of this outside of Noisey circles.

Kind of feeling like Lil Yachty deserves his own thread but don't know if I'll get shot down by the goon crew for starting it

Anyway, it appears nu-witch is now definitely a thing https://wiccaphase.bandcamp.com/
Whether it's a good thing or not is another matter

Lil Yachty is great, gets lots of love on the rolling rap thread

my point was that peep has probably the same audience as yung lean. I know some young yung lean fans, lil peep sounds like something they should be into.

best rap x grunge in 2016 = 'gold dust' off the danny brown record

or maybe it's dance in the water

two minutes reading an ilm thread
why the fuck i do that
tell me why the fuck do i do that

am really sad to learn that he is not singing "she just want me for the culture" on that track as i had originally thought :(

It begins http://p4k.in/9adBEKA

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 22:30 Bookmark

this probably one of the fastest hunch/vindication turnarounds i can recall tho, good job

well p4k also reviewed some other track last month

I imagine post Malone will do decent numbers but idk I guess

ya but this track's a progression in the sound xp

if u say so man ive listened to only that 1 track

His face tattoos are bettter than Stitches's

For some reason I can't understand the first responders on any thread I make about music are ppl like joan shakey forks et all who I share little in common w musically at least as far as new music
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

lol @ the introspective american football part in the middle of "cry"

disengaged learning

fwiw i first read about him on tinymixtape

not engaging with thread starter /= not engaging with topic

fuck off forks

am really sad to learn that he is not singing "she just want me for the culture" on that track as i had originally thought :(

― r|t|c, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 6:40 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i thought this at first too lol

who could've imagined it would come to this; all we wanted was to talk about lil peep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3JUpQzOek&t=0m15s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3JUpQzOek

hellboy is good also imo, I like this young sad boy stuff, def reminds me of yung lean

i know u wanna facetime / baby i have samsung / when i met your mom she told me i was handsome

take the nobel from dylan and give it to this man imo

New song https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/love-letter-prod-charlie-shuffler

im enjoying charlie shuffler, just like how saying that name sounds

This song by peep collaborator lil Tracy is even better tbh. He also steals his guest spot on Hellboy

https://soundcloud.com/liltracyy/lil-tracy-x-lil-peep-gods-prod

two minutes reading an ilm thread
why the fuck i do that
tell me why the fuck do i do that

― r|t|c, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:14 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is good rtc

this hits a strange, previously unimagined sweet spot

bits of it are grungy, other bits lofi, and some of it reminds me of ... modest mouse. is he from somewhere near the NW?

I heard a rumor Lil Tracy is Ish from Digable Planets' son

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV6YOP5iWys

hes better at rapping than Peep but they complement each other well

Anthony Fantano calls Lil Peep's "Hellboy" one of the worst ten albums of the year:

https://youtu.be/ebQcgnlz5SU?t=2m52s

Ha. Solidified as one of the greats then

i missed this thread the first time around, but it is a treat. i enjoyed Joan's 'grunge harmonies' posts.

i heard this when it came out because i kinda know one of the producers, whose vibe is very much mall punk + witchy/cloudy/sad boy rap. i get it and it might be the best-executed thing i've heard in this style, but is still basically unlistenable for me personally.

also on that Lil Tracy track either the vocal track is misaligned or he's just mad out of time. sounds like the former to me. i know there's a lot of tolerance for that as a sound post-Lil B but i cannot take it.

that reminds me, Digable Planets are playing here tomorrow and I can't bag my friend's election party to go see them ;_;

― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2016 18:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm still lolling that peep's most frequent collaborator is the son of a member of digable planets this whole thread is a bunch of ppl basically admitting they've given up on following where the culture is headed

I prioritize what sounds good/is interesting to listen to over concern about "where culture is headed"

if "this whole thread ... basically admitting" means straight years of petulant deeply entrenched incurious revelry then yeah

someone is mistaking "where the culture is headed" for "what deej and some guy at pitchfork fancy atm."

yeah deej peep aint poppin in these norwegian streets

i for one welcome our banal self-pitying white rap overlords

itt white on white violence

You'd think that would be big in norway

Xp

If you want to discuss what's hot on the snowy streets of Norway, that's fine with me. What I really want to know atm is how Lil Peep shows us where the culture is headed, though.

early adoption as an end in itself

peep is p much modern "punk" imo, and its cute + catchy idk abt culture

early adoption as an end in itself

― rip van wanko, Friday, December 23, 2016 6:48 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tf? That's not what is happening when I point out that ppl are out of touch

tbh i think it's pretty awesome how this album starts with a recording of deej in his lair

'i thought she was the one / but she was just another one' is a good line

guys it's not about the rapping it's about being ~in touch~, please get over your tired old notions of "good rapping" and whatnot

You're out of touch with what constitutes good rapping although "good rapping" isn't really what this is about per se

That said lil Tracy is actually a pretty good rapper

You're out of touch with what constitutes good rapping

"Kenneth Gorelick is selling millions of records. He's John Coltrane" -D-40, 1992

People like you are the reason no one gave Kenny g collaborator kashif never got the respect he deserved

lol Kashif I remember when Sanborn snatched his Kenny G Unit chain and posted it on YouTube

lol

sanborn a real g tho

the year of Peep thinkpieces begins

http://pitchfork.com/features/rising/10001-tears-of-a-dirtbag-rapper-lil-peep-is-the-future-of-emo/

Peeppieces

my first impression from this piece and its accompanying pictures is that this dude's approach to bandaids mirrors my toddlers'

dirtbag style signifiers mentioned:

clutching a water bong without lighting it for almost an hour, a blanket draped across his lap

He flaunts his relationship with Layla, recently showing up in a tweeted photo with his face is planted in her bare ass. (The caption: “fine dining.”)

His music recalls Kurt Cobain’s tortured sense of self, the jetpack fuel for his breakthrough September mixtape Hellboy, mostly recorded in a forgotten drug-fueled haze at his old place in Skid Row.

he now spends his days watching “Scooby Doo” and compulsively recording down the hall from his living room with a bare setup of a single pink-lit lamp on the desk next to a towering bong, clothes strewn in the corner, takeout cartons scattered on a futon, and a microphone centering the space.

living in a space with just one roommate, tucked in the back of an alley dotted with apartments along the way to a staircase littered with trash on the awning

an empty pizza box on the counter

sounds like a real genius

bums me out that tinny drums and shitty synths now qualify as "wall of sound"

I know I'm now middle-aged and therefore The Enemy but I get nothing about this dude's appeal

what's not to get about being cuet and self-pitying

lol @ you olds w/yr "whether the records are good" or whether they "sound" good or whether the guy "can't rap for shit" or "is basically Ariel Pink." check the sweater you guys, Peep is headed for that Vampire Weekend money

I shouldn't be trying to rewrite "Cousins" as "Lap Bong" right now, should I

you guys are mad doggie

http://i.imgur.com/AhhT5AU.gif

the scene Peep comes out of was def all about grunge btw

https://lwlf.bandcamp.com/track/rooster-prod-by-mackned

new joint tape from peep & lil tracy:

https://soundcloud.com/gothboiclique/sets/castles-ii

a photo of Lil Tracy with his parents, Ish from Digable Planets & Coko from SWV. Also Tommy Hilfiger:

http://imgur.com/EimcnLa

Saw him live last night, sold out show at subterranean.

https://instagram.com/p/BSr-AA0DxMh/

mea culpa: i p much fully like Hellboy now

This song was incredible live. I don't think I realized how good it was until I saw him perform it.
https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/crybaby-prod-lederrick-x-lil-peep

Also he ended his set singing along to Blink 182 "Dammit"

Sounds so much like a Why? song.

what was the age demographic at the show?

oh sh*t he's playing here next Monday.. getting tickets

what was the age demographic at the show?

― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Monday, April 10, 2017 1:22 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all ages show. almost everyone there had x's on their hands.

I don't hear Why? in this stuff at all ... Why? is way more indie rock

does he play geetar live?

peep does not play guitar at all lol

Nice

good song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNjf9WflvUI

Good song

https://youtu.be/xAMgQQMZ9Lk

new shit

https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/sets/come-over-when-youre-sober

I watched a new video and it occurred to me that he's distinctly influenced br Fred Durst's melodic vocals, to the point that I wasn't even conscious of the fact Durst's style of writing melodies was that distinctive until I heard this

I think the new project is solid, but not a major step forward. I do really like "The Brightside" though

haven't really been following this guy aside from a few youtubes but i like this latest one. I had the impression that his production adhered to the trend of terribly engineered bullshit but that is not the case? profesh deep emo shit man

burn me down
till im nothing but memories
i get it girl
i'm not the one

I watched a new video and it occurred to me that he's distinctly influenced br Fred Durst's melodic vocals, to the point that I wasn't even conscious of the fact Durst's style of writing melodies was that distinctive until I heard this

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:56 AM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally!!!!!!111 agh

That stuff was all just grunge commercialized though

Though I have no idea what songs you're talking about unless you mean "the outside" which is more of a grunge song ... in my memory durst just shout raps

Melodic durst vocals such as feature in limp bizkit versh of behind blue eyes

he sings too. they're a great band

durst sang a lot

deej thinks he's a real head, not even au fait with the bizkit's oeuvre pfffft

i only know the singles

and

THIS IS THE REAL MOTHERFUCKIN DEAL YALL

plenty of singing on singles even

I was just looking at Wikipedia so I could make a list of all the LB singles where Fred sings (there are a bunch) and it is a little startling how completely omnipresent this band was considering they don't have a single top-40 hit. I know it was a different era and all but still; MTV was really sustaining careers at this point.

They didn't? Mind very blown.

deej....sometimes i wonder if you were ~really~ feelin those lighters or if it was all just a game to you

"re-arranged" is is my favorite bizkit song and it's all singin' durst

ILX re-assessing LB ouevre is a new low

excuse me i have always cared about nu-metal

hey I don't come to you with my problems

don't come to me with your issues

BILOXI!!!!!

on 'faith' he's singing someone else' song. i remember that, and 'nookie,' and 'the outside' which is with staind, and 'rollin,' which doesn't really have singing unless you count ROLLINROLLINROLLIN, and 'break stuff' (again no singing really), and 'n 2gether now' which again—no singing

im not saying there's no connection bc i think its *bad* that peep would sound like durst, ive argued from post one that his stuff is 'bad on paper good in execution' but of the most popular durst songs i don't really hear it. he was much more known for that grainy rap style imo, and for like SHOUTING the choruses while his voice box gets shredded a la "Faith"

going through youtube now i'm hearing a couple songs w/ singing that i have zero memory of, but they don't sound substantially more peep-ish than staind or alice in chains

i know ppl want to defend the Real Artistry of the early 90s alt rock stuff but

the way he slurs & half-sings reminds me more of liam gallagher

i get the comparison conceptually, fwiw, dont think its totally off, but i dont hear it in the vocal style

also the tempos on peep songs are way closer to the slow grind of 'rooster' than they are to 'n 2gether now'

Why would anyone defending the Real Artistry of early 90s alt rock bring up Limp Bizkit?

i think he's suggesting they're bringing up limp bizkit wrt lil peep because they don't want to sully the real artistry of early 90s alt rock by comparing the vocal style to lil peep

"re-arranged" video is like the prelude to the "n 2gether now" video you gotta get the whole story man

the way he sings faith is p much the same way he songs on other songs

just one more fight about Peep's influence, and i will straight up FP this shit

I don't give a rat's ass about"defending" 90s alt rock like Alice in Chains or whatever shit I never listen to from being sullied by Lil Peep. I just heard a song, the vocals reminded me of Durst, that's it.

It would make more sense to me though, just in terms of LB's heyday was later than grunge. I don't know. Just thought it sounded like Durst.

idk i could be wrong like i said LB wasn't a group i payed close attention to

thread got awesome

I'm starting to get into lil peep.

it's not too late; talk to your doctor immediately.

my doctor loves goth boi clique

the key to me, to liking peep music, was realizing that he has written many very good songs

fuck

i know :(

Legitimately very sad about this. Just a boy really, turned 21 this month.

a lot of this stuff really is more descended from durst-shepherded post-grunge (with some ‘10s idioms sprinkled in). anyway rip

i knew rhcp was a part of this

This Is The Place - YouTube https://t.co/HWNyt0BIVV

— GOTH ANGEL SINNER (@Lilpeep) November 15, 2017

jeez

this sucks

rip peep

I took a real liking to this dude and would check YT from time to time hoping for something new. Loved the video where he talks about his tattoos, seemed genuinely decent and sensitive and self effacing. Thanks D-40 for the introduction.

really sad

a little window into the opioid crisis, a true epidemic which i imagine most of us are too old to have much exposure to

wow this is terrible rip peep

xanax is a benzodiazapine

Deaths from overdose on benzos alone are rare. Probably a fentanyl OD from street drugs (although they may have purportedly have been "Xanax").

Feel bad for saying it but I was having a hard time imagining him at 30, 40, etc. RIP.

:(

incredibly sad

beamer boy had like 20k views when this thread was started. he blew up quicker than anybody I can think of

listened to crybaby this morning, kind of a masterpiece imo

Promise me it's real
Girl, I got a deal
You could be my girl if I could be your world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhDFXpY-ZnY

been listening 2 him all day ~ really just gutted damn

honestly i think hellboy is one of the best records of the 2010s, and sadly, feel like this may make it more thought of in that way :|

ya as good as hellboy and crybaby are it was obvious his best work was ahead of him. could have been a huge star

I became semi-obsessed with Peep after I saw this track uploaded to the No Jumper YouTube channel in early March 2016 and began compulsively checking all his older shit. It felt like he hadn't really polished the records yet but there were so many musical possibilities it made you really curious where he was going to go with it. I think early on, especially, I was drawn to how it built on the formal sound of drill but the textural qualities of rock (and even a lil dubstep in this record).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bbv6gL-NAA

That same month I made a mini-comp of my favorites, an 11 track mix you can download here. I'd probably pick different songs today, but I think this holds up. I was afraid I might get bored relistening, but I feel like I was able to winnow the early stuff down to a--not comprehensive, but definitely listenable selection. His real debut didn't come until June or July of that year with Crybaby. But yeah, if you're looking to hear some of his earlier stuff check this out

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rtgjc7nuci5nw1t/Archive+5.zip

thanks!

the comp is called, "The Worst of Lil Peep"

I'm gonna man up and admit that I was wrong. There's a lot I didn't get about Lil Peep. But he was good.

I'm still not going to be sitting around listening to Lil Peep, but this one is pretty and the video is poignant (as people point out in the comments, it's shot like it was already a memorial):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu5xpZdYoQ0

the comp is called, "The Worst of Lil Peep"

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao love u deej <3

Idk what made me come around but there’s a certain nocturnal quality to much of his music that I can appreciate. It feels pure.

thanks for that comp deej i will def be listening later

Also I agree with deej in that grunge is the main frame of reference for most of the guitar stuff he does, at least post crybaby. Part of why I didn't like him initially, I think, is that I kind of left grunge for rap back in the day and have not been thrilled by the prospect of grunge coming back in the context of rap. But it is what it is.

also those new wave Cure guitars & bass drenched in chorus

i wrote the book on feeling empty

Been randomly checking out some of his stuff, fully expecting to hate it, based on most descriptions I've read, but I really don't - whatever the influences (I kinda hear Beck sometimes), he did his own thing with them and it worked. RIP.

https://www.gq.com/story/lil-peep-in-memoriam-john-jeremiah-sullivan

as a jjs fan i find that piece incredibly embarrassing

funny ive never liked Sullivan really but I do like this

Some people hate this “alt-rap.” Sometimes I hate it, and most things.

come on my dude

poor kid
deej just started this thread in late 2016 (which generally he's pretty on the forefront of picking up on stuff like this) and he's already gone...

Jjs piece gives me a rush of mixed emotions... it’s validating but also ridiculous lol

Like jjs would never in a million years write a piece like that about keef but keef is the actual nexus / launch point for a lot of this generational shit, he just picked up on the white kid

I liked the linked videos of cover version, just for reminding me how much stuff there is out there, still.

Youtube then sent me to A****** F******'s review of the last Lip Peep LP, thanks for nothing Youtube.

I want you to know it's not your fault and you didn't deserve that

its pretty funny how quickly lil peep went from ... the convo at the top of the thread to a literal john jeremiah sullivan subject, though

classy backpat at the expense of a dead kid there; soak up the rays

Fans of 80s emocore who went to fancy schools turned out to be terrible parents and their little brothers terrible writers, gosh so shocked.

like, post malone's album is about to flop, most guys in that ironic cloud rap vein have the lifespan of a meme

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:22 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Stoney went double platinum fwiw

been driving Lyft and while it's no world of young ppl I have listened to a shitload of radio and Rockstar is second only to Motorsport and the Bruno/Cardi B song in terms of being played all the f ing time

also I got one paragraph into that shit and was like this fuckin guy, jesus ohh smokin hash in Paris wow how continental fuckface

wouldn't mind smoking some hash in Paris tbqf but your point stands

he says he's making the smoking hash part up.

...and then he takes it back again oh wow man mind blown dot gif.

what a hall of stupid mirrors

Stoney went double platinum fwiw

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:44 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i was sadly wrong about this, obviously he became a mega label priority. hes still insanely corny & nowhere near as talented as peep was

classy backpat at the expense of a dead kid there; soak up the rays

― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, January 29, 2018 10:00 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how is it a backpat you low iq music board parasite?

i cant believe im wishing for the days when forks primary mode of interference was making endless useless playlists from people's conversations instead of hounding me w/ passive aggressive projection

yeah i gotta say overall it has made multiple threads huge bummers

yeah

deej, It's not passive, I actively dislike you.

your imaginary sense of ownership on very specific artists is offensive enough but it's particularly horrible when you're preening about how ahead of the curve you were for an artist who is getting a "died for the sins of his generation" treatment in GQ.

can i get a backpat for calling that his death was a fentanyl OD?

facetats / backpats /cooking up beef in the crockpot

lol

What “ownership” dumbass?? What fucking ownership? I said I liked something & made a case for it, that’s it

Saying it’s crazy how the convo went from highly controversial /trash talking to literary greats over the course of a few months doesn’t actually have anything to do with me?

You are completely projecting

And it’s passice aggressive bc you just run into every thread sniping about it in fake little asides instead of actually having a conversation

Not that I want a conversation just stop fronting

Saying it’s crazy how the convo went from highly controversial /trash talking to literary greats over the course of a few months doesn’t actually have anything to do with me?

its pretty funny how quickly lil peep went from ... the convo at the top of the thread to a literal john jeremiah sullivan subject, though

I'd be more inclined to consider that projection on my part if you didn't feel the need to squeeze out multi post ad hominem rants that end with "i don't even want to talk to you".

How is “literary greats would never write about him if he hadn’t died” not an even more fucked thing to say about a dead kid, exactly?

If he was really the steaming pile of worthless garbage described upthread his death probably wouldn’t have inspired breathless John Jeremiah Sullivan profiles, sure. But Pointing out that the dominant tone switched from critical to reverent quickly isn’t saying anything about who was “right” or “wrong” about his work

It’s odd to me that the person accused of cynicism over the dead kid is one of the people who actually enthused about his artistic output while he was alive but whatever makes you feel better for shitting up this thread with your non contributions

Sooo the JJS piece, too bad he didn't connect the "hairy dj" with the guy who produced his fave Peep track.

Lots of embarrassing bits in there The intro, annotating the lyrics Genius-style etc) but I thought he hit a lot of good notes too.

I agree fwiw, more amused by what it means that he even took the assignment (pitched it?)

yo outsider here but imo it takes a dedicated deej hater to read "taking satisfaction" into that post, like i too am amazed at how quickly lil peep went from bad internet musician to subject of serious journalism and i have no stake in this at all.

imo,"the dominant tone switched from critical to reverent" entirely because the kid is dead and if that's me being cynical then i would ask where all the think pieces about his immediate contemporaries are at.

jon caramanica who wrote the glowing piece in the ny times was a fan of his before he died chief

caramanica spilled way more ink on the nothing nowhere kid (or xxx or uzi or lil pump) than he did on peep until peep died

That’s completely false. Are you talking about the huge times feature on the new rap underground where he calls peep the scene’s Kurt cobain and barely touches on xxx? Just give up forks, you’re being dumb

And yes he got super into peep knockoff Nothing Nowhere for some reason but pointing out that he preferred one white emo rapper to another doesn’t make a very compelling case that no one cares about white emo rappers until they die

yeah Caramanica did a podcast on the scene heavily featuring peep months before he died

pointing out that he preferred one white emo rapper to another doesn’t make a very compelling case that no one cares about white emo rappers until they die

dude this stuff you're giving deej shit for is just the way he post . I'm not sure what your goal is by doing this over and over . do you not want him to post here anymore ?

yeah this is some bad faith shit

my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross. Past that, I suggested that the main reason that conversation on peep has shifted from critical to reverent is because he died way too early. This is not shocking; nobody wants to speak ill of the dead. Nobody said "no one cares about white emo rappers until they die" except you.

outside of those points, i got nothing to say about peep, so I'll clear the floor.

lil peep was good and deej was right itt

is gym class the same song as beamer boy?

anyway, it all feels like Harmony Korine's take on trap rap to me.

("never on the streets, cuz I'll never leave my home") is kinda Why-esque nerdy cool though.

my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross.

And this argument is a shallow & obvious fig leaf for your personal resentment bc there’s nothing gross about what i said, It’s a neutral observation about how fast the critical narrative shifted that you’re bringing a whole bunch of baggage into of your own. Please fuck off

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/2/25/Perpetual-motion-machine-1.gif/revision/latest?cb=20160312040218

Peep's love for RHCP is pretty endearing and kinda explains a lot imo. Got me to revisit their catalog with new ears around when he passed and deej posted that tweet of his upthread (also saw them live around that time).

fucking great song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoVjmfYlJ8

I really love “come on over when you’re sober, pt 1.” Kind of crude but earnest, charming and at moments heartbreaking. Kills me that this kid—who was 9 years younger than me I think—is dead and just reinforces my hatred of drugs

happened to watch this yt awhile back on a slow work day, its good but be warned i could not believe & was a bit shaken up by the image of peep having od'd (its @ 23:44 according to a comment)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7I0BIz8vQ

Wait they include an image of him after having od’d in the video?

If u were incapable of appreciating lil peep I feel sorry for u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORsrbQa94M

god this thread is so good

Jesus that song is great

http://p4k.in/CKVxguj

Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHo8iXA2yU

skip to 2:24

painful writing xp

Billy Corgon otm

Billy Corgan is right, but at the same time an unbearable prick, also he thinks he's called "Little Peep"

Billy crogan for preisdent

i love that song "falling down"

and runaway. i like this posthumous album.

cowys 2 is just about the only stuff of his I actively dislike

yea it is bad

It’s not perfect but idk that it’s some huge fall off... some
definite peep classics in here

https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/lil-peeps-mother-liza-womack-talks-about-her-sons-life-and-legacy/

seems like he was a sweet kid

That p4k review of hellboy is so pathetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7qfPcyaXQ

enjoyed the doc, its well done~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxNVLEpmwQ

my first gold record miss ya gus pic.twitter.com/bDgJj4a7YG

— nedarb (@NEDARBNAGROM) February 5, 2020

the song from OP

i was crushing it in this thread right up until the moment i predicted post malone would flop 🥴

Lol you win some you lose some

That's the producer I was referring to in my first post on this thread.

Lol you win some you lose some

― Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:56 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

lose lose in this case

This song is doing some streams now, two years after its release ... pretty interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2ypP3Xwq8

A billion streams for star shopping

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyZMIluujcc/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Congrats to indie rock’s biggest success

I recently interrogated a 14 year old about her favorite music, and she said her big 3 are:
Lil Peep
Weezer
Led Zeppelin

been meaning to check the joint album with makonnen

Man that "Star Shopping" Insta post made me real sad. Such a massive loss in pop culture. Such a singular writer. The photos of him with his Grandpa really hit me in a heavy way.

I admire how his Mom has handled his estate. Feel like her voice and the clear love that she had for her son really comes through in the promo materials.