Ugh.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
Her version of Stevie's "Until You Come Back To Me" is heavenly.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link
That whole album! And I discovered it only last year.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
been listening to this great collection of her early work:
https://www.discogs.com/Aretha-Franklin-The-Queen-In-Waiting-The-Columbia-Years-1960-1965/master/463932
― sleeve, Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:11 (five years ago) link
RIP ;_;
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
And this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsnZT7Z2yQ
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
RIP, Aretha.
Very sad but also strangely comforting that a musical legend was able to enjoy an entire natural human lifespan for once (just this moment thinking about how long she outlasted her much younger 'Knew You Were Waiting' duet partner).
― Melted Belts, Priced To Move (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMr7kr6ops
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
RIPLivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKkWj2WpWMIn the studio, with David Hood on drums:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKkWj2WpWM
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
st this moment thinking about how long she outlasted her much younger 'Knew You Were Waiting' duet partner).
I thought about this very point last night.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
Sad news.
Everyone will extol the 1960s stuff, but for me, Who's Zoomin' Who is the one. What a ripper of a groove, and her voice never sounded better.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
Aretharrgh, Roger Hawkins on drums, David Hood plays bass
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
( was just trying to avoid mistakenly typing Bernard Purdue there and overstepped my mark)
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
Aretha (1986) >>> Who's Zoomin' Who.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
crying.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:23 (five years ago) link
Had a ticket to see her at Radio City circa 1986 -- alas, she canceled.
RIP
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Vt1c2BzC4
― Melted Belts, Priced To Move (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link
THANKS!
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
"Aretha (1986) >>> Who's Zoomin' Who."
I meant the track rather than the album. But I will check that other one out.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBTFaan32Q
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:38 (five years ago) link
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:10 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seconded
I saw her at Radio City circa 2006. She mostly eschewed her catalog of hits and instead sang some unfamiliar R&B, some gospel, and a bit of opera. I felt it was too short, it seemed about 45 minutes. Maybe her voice was getting worn by that point. I remember her being quite witty between songs, and playing some piano. Brought her son out to do a solo rap number.
― Josefa, Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9V1r2RV_V8
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
I can go on all day about her piano abilities, the least praised element in her artistry.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
OTM. On all her records -- but especially on Amazing Grace -- her playing is never less than brilliant.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
I was a late arrival to her '70s material, but hoo boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tMFqa_K7bg
― Melted Belts, Priced To Move (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
the greatest
rip
― liberally social (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
THat is a good oen that doesn't get enough airplay
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
I listen to my favorite of her self-written songs at least once a week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQBRHhfwo4
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
wondering if there's a better album than young, gifted and black. really not sure
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
Spirit in the Dark!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
maybe...
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
That Kennedy Centre clip upthread is majestic.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
Aretha + Luther = perfection.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsnQXghCpFg
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
not in her wheelhouse, but a gutsy performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjTXRo-rxGA
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
aw man, rip arethajust a phenomenal, once-off talent
― ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
Jon Pareles' NYT obit:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/obituaries/aretha-franklin-dead.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
― Ross, Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:43 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Very OTM, she was so passionate and inventive, and it takes a special level of skill to sing like she does while playing such complex parts
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 August 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
https://youtu.be/3HsOF9WKIwo
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 August 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
Part of the legend is that when she went from Columbia to Atlantic Records they realized she sang better whilst playing piano
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
it's perfect
that expanded Live At The Fillmore from a few years back, with Mixed Up Girl and the epic 20 minute Spirit In The Dark w/Ray is essential.
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 16 August 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
Young, Gifted, & Black is my favorite as well, Side A is about as perfect as music gets.
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 August 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
I was curious if she had recorded "Lift Every Voice" and found this video gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK4p22LHtw
― Liquid Plejades, Thursday, 16 August 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
RIP :(
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
My favorite moments: https://www.spin.com/featured/aretha-franklin-greatest-hits-best-songs/
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
I picked 10 deep cuts for Stereogum:
https://www.stereogum.com/2010538/aretha-franklin-best-deep-cuts/franchises/list/
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
Thanks, Phil, for writing about "The Woman" and "Pullin'," which I almost wrote about.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
There’s quite a few on Alfred’s list I am unfamiliar with and Phil’s list is totally new to me. Thanks, guys.
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DefensiveShrillKitfox-max-1mb.gif
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
Phil’s list is totally new to me
would love to hear "pullin'" for the first time again, congrats
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rWyxnpp5w8
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
Holy shit I didn't know until now that 'I Say A Little Prayer' was originally a b-side. That's outrageous.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
Oh “Pullin’” is on Spirit in the Dark? Then I have heard it, just been a few decades is all
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
Her piano is integral to "Pullin'" -- it's pullin'!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
Did Bill Withers rip that off for "Harlem"?
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
RIP i wish i had more to add other than she was great
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
A throwaway but I love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pdSQlm0GA
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
I am so sad that she’s gone but idk what to say other than that I am sad ;_;i have had (You Make Me Feel) Like A Natural Woman in my head all day
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
it's quite possible, though I don't remember, that i might've first seen her on TV singing at MLK's funeral.
“Black people will be free... You got to disturb the peace when you can’t get no peace.”-Aretha Franklin pic.twitter.com/5C7zDeVVe9— Advancement Project (@adv_project) August 16, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
Choice singles for me are “i can’t wait to see my baby’s face” and “one step ahead”. They’re not her most iconic and not a great showcase of how powerful her voice could get but they’re very elegant and sensuous in how easily she nails the performance.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRSi_7r64Xk
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that’s a good one
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
i LOVE "One Step Ahead" thanks for reminding me to listen to it.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 16 August 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
I first hear it after hearing the sample on Miss Fat Booty!
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 16 August 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
Listening to Spirit in The Dark... as soon as “she started singing “Dont Play That Song” I bawled so hard right here at my desk at worklove u lady
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 August 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
Rest In Peace Glorious Sister
― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 16 August 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
Shifting things around so have severql hard drives disconnected but did find the one with a 1971 Montreux live set on . So did get to listen to her today.She did some great stuff. RIP.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 16 August 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
in the Kennedy Center Honors video that Alfred posted i love the spin she puts on the opening line of the song. Truly incredible to hear a voice like that at 70. I've watched that about twenty times today and it's overwhelming every single time.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Friday, 17 August 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
someone posted some inane interview on fb today and the interviewer asks her what song of hers she thought Adele could cover and she said something like "hopefully one I have the publishing rights to" lol
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Friday, 17 August 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
like many of us, I think, I feel more gratitude than grief ... it was a long run and she overcame so much so many times and sounded just like herself the whole way
the epithet "King" seems corny to me, even for Elvis, but "Queen of Soul" feels modest in her case
as Sam Phillips said of Howling Wolf, this is where the soul of man never dies
― Brad C., Friday, 17 August 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
Carl Wilson pays tribute via an extended appreciation of one of her quintessential songs.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:57 (five years ago) link
she makes me think of Ella Fitzgerald, in that 99.9% of vocalists might as well have a try with their hobby, but won't get close to her. RIP.
― calzino, Friday, 17 August 2018 06:52 (five years ago) link
Great piece, cryptosicko - thanks.
― Alba, Friday, 17 August 2018 09:57 (five years ago) link
The piece I wanted to read: Aretha as pianist.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 August 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link
lol, just saw the National Review obituary for Aretha Franklin that went out of it's way to say she wasn't as good as Kelly Clarkson or Linda Ronstadt pic.twitter.com/4xLEYeLirE— Nathan McDermott (@natemcdermott) August 17, 2018
― Number None, Friday, 17 August 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
"of the rock era" - WTAF
― sleeve, Friday, 17 August 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
I wouldn't rate her as the finest singer of the post-punk era...
― Mark G, Friday, 17 August 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
oh well:
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/08/16/aretha-was-much-more-than-just-the-queen-of-soul/
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 August 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
I heard that! The kicker of course was "Queen of Soul is inadequate, just like Rush Limbaugh, Right-Wing Radio Host."
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 August 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
My mom, the Rush fan, gushed about how "beautifully" he spoke. I had to see for myself.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 August 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
Right-wingers just aren't very good at this:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/fox-news-remembers-aretha-franklin-with-photo-of-patti-labelle_us_5b75bbcfe4b0182d49b1e165
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Friday, 17 August 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
this is great
Ashanti shared a beautiful Aretha Franklin memory... of the time she called her and told her not to get SARS in Canada?!?!? pic.twitter.com/MZL2U6dqUW— Ira (@ira) August 17, 2018
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 August 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
yes that tweet made me giggle uncontrollably, which was a nice respite from feeling sad.
what...is Rush Limbaugh...talking about?
― horseshoe, Friday, 17 August 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
How he and Aretha are alike.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Friday, 17 August 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
https://bittersoutherner.com/the-houses-aretha-built-patterson-hood
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 August 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link
He must have heard me mention his dad upthread
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 August 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
just beautiful <3
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 August 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
It took me ages to persuade her to play piano on ‘Jumpin’ Jack Flash,’ Rolling Stones songwriter and guitarist Keith Richards told me in 2015, referring to her version of the song she recorded for the 1986 Whoopi Goldberg film of the same title.
“The deal was,” Richards recalled, “that if we came to Detroit, she’d do it, because she hates traveling. I said, ‘I’ll make a deal with you: We’ll come to Detroit, but you’ve got to play piano.’ It’s automatic with her: She starts playing those beautiful gospel chords. She doesn’t think of herself as much of a piano player, but when [she’s] singing with it, it’s a different thing.”
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-aretha-franklin-piano-20180816-story.html#
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 August 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link
Ann Powers:
Franklin, who died Thursday at the age of 76, was a child of the African-American Great Migration that created our nation's version of modernity and of the golden age of gospel that formed the fundament of rock and soul. Her music did the crucial work of art in the 20th century: It captured the experience of living through profound change and showed how to preserve integrity in its wake. She was a central player in the civil rights movement, American democracy's fundamental historical struggle. The key words in Franklin's most famous songs — respect, freedom, the word chains turning in a deliberate slip of the tongue to change — articulate personhood by connecting the body to the mind, the feet that wander to the arms that hold loved ones close. And the voice that echoes in our memories, from its belly growl to those heaven-hitting squalls, embodies liberty itself.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Friday, 17 August 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
Found this through a link in Mark Deming's AMG obit: A 24 minute ABC News documentary from '68 on Aretha, including footage of her in the studio recording material for Lady Soul (Bobby Womack cameos), learning "Ain't No Way" from sister Carolyn, lip-syncing "Chain of Fools" on Swingin' Time, MLK surprsing her at a testimonial ceremony...the whole thing is a treasure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=vHFR5QOoMEM
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:58 (five years ago) link
Aretha on What's My Line? in 1974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpAXLTAJR8Q
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 18 August 2018 04:12 (five years ago) link
I opened my set last night with (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman, closed it with I Say A Little Prayer, and played eight tracks back to back at peak time, from Respect to A Deeper Love via Rock Steady and Who's Zoomin' Who. The word had got out, the place was rammed, and we all remembered her together. It was special.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 18 August 2018 11:07 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/aretha-franklin-public-viewing-announced/
Would loved to have gone to the memorial had we not let our passports expire (with no plans of renewal until Tr*mp is outta there).
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Saturday, 18 August 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
https://africatimes.com/2018/08/17/cruising-in-kenya-learning-english-in-ethiopia-africans-remember-aretha/
― H in Addis, Sunday, 19 August 2018 10:15 (five years ago) link
The Singles Jukebox pays tribute
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
I really never thought of her taking “I Say a Little Prayer” from Warwick the way she did, eg, "Respect" from Otis. In fact I don't think I heard Aretha's version very much growing up, whereas Dionne's original was ubiquitous. But Sheila B on WFMU played the cover the other day, and I was struck by how the backup singers indeed do most of the chorus.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
I prefer the Aretha version, with Roger Hawkins on drums, as I tried to say upthread.
But came to post that Aretha is one of the featured artists on Michael Bourne's SIngers Unlimited on WBGO right now. He is leading off with a duet between her and Tony Bennett.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
Probably be a lot of other people singing showtunes though
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:26 (five years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/aretha-franklin-music-guide.html
Haven't read David Ritz' authorized book with Aretha, or his later unauthorized one that she didn't like. On this guide to Aretha's piece, he simply names off fave songs of hers from throughout her life (with video links included).
I too always heard Warwick's version of "I say a Little Prayer" more than Aretha's, which I was not that familiar with. Ritz states that "Aretha’s 1968 reinvention of “I Say a Little Prayer” becomes, in the words of its composer Burt Bacharach, “the definitive version.”
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
There was a discussion about this before, maybe even a poll. Feel like I was the lone holdout in favor of Aretha, but perhaps I am exaggerating.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
No, I misremembered, I wasn’t the lone holdout at all, just that there were certain loud opinionated overbearingother ilx0rs expressing the opposite point of view.Best Version Of "I Say A Little Prayer"
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
Also, interested in reading the David Ritz book(s), really liked the Marvin Gaye one, and Ray Charles one was okay, I guess
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
Holy jeez, make sure to read both pages in full.
Aretha’s funeral is AN EVENT pic.twitter.com/WOyJNcY2li— Philip Lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) August 30, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
rick snyder sticks out like a bunion
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
I thought this was funny:
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/the-schedule-for-aretha-franklins-funeral-is-the-most-o-1828718192
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 August 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
But if you’re going to this here funeral in person, well, I hope you have all of the snacks and make sure to bring plenty of water because while the service is already scheduled to be as long as the Easter Sunday service at a southern Baptist church with a new pastor trying to prove himself (9:30 a.m. to 3 p.m.), I’d bet good money that it will last at least 12 hours. And I’m not even being facetious.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 August 2018 00:29 (five years ago) link
one look at the list and I started looking at it like my friends and I do at pearl jam shows, gearing up to make a run for it during 'bathroom songs'Faith Hill = definite bathroom song
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 August 2018 03:10 (five years ago) link
Stream is live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnwyCzMsp5A
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 August 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
Couldn't watch any of the proceedings today, but--and I know I shouldn't think this way, much less post about--I'm watching the clip of Ariana Grande, Clinton looking on with a big grin on his face, and I'm thinking, not really the ideal picture.
― clemenza, Friday, 31 August 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
Chaka Khan’s performance of “Going Up Yonder” was electrifying.
― breastcrawl, Friday, 31 August 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
“She ain’t never worked for you, she worked above and beyond you.”
― breastcrawl, Friday, 31 August 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
"Get your proposition right."
― breastcrawl, Friday, 31 August 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link
Fantasia and that choir. Wow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7XzbbSnivE
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 1 September 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
https://slate.com/culture/2018/09/aretha-franklin-family-criticizes-rev-jasper-williams-jrs-eulogy-about-black-on-black-crime-and-single-mothers.html
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
Catching up on some appearances I missed. Bishop Paul Morton and Yolanda Adams are impressive
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWWyB7TXhE
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
just got around to that Kennedy Center performance of Natural Woman - wow! the Obama tear at 1:29 is real
― niels, Friday, 9 November 2018 12:28 (five years ago) link
and that coat drop!
― niels, Friday, 9 November 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
The Amazing Grace film is something more complicated than a tour de force soundtrack (and I would rather hear her sing pop than gospel). but in the elbowing presence of James Cleveland and Rev Dad Franklin, an attempt by them to say yes, we, the "fathers of the church," are presenting this woman. As if.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 April 2019 01:32 (five years ago) link
J@son King told me at PopCon last week that he had a similar objection.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 02:07 (five years ago) link
well, it's what happened and the reality of that world, I don't nec fault the film for it.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 April 2019 03:04 (five years ago) link
if anything it makes clear that this is showbiz
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 April 2019 03:05 (five years ago) link
What the heck happened between Clara Ward and Aretha's mother? Looked like they were going at it for a few seconds, haha.
― Jazzbo, Monday, 22 April 2019 13:11 (five years ago) link
no idea, i thought Clara was overcome by the Spirit
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 April 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link
I just read somewhere that it was Aretha's mom who was overcome, and she was trying to get to her daughter until Clara stopped her. Anyway, it looked pretty chaotic in the film.
― Jazzbo, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
Aretha’s Mom died in 1952 of a heart attack at age 34.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
yeah, i was gonna say i didn't recall any such ID.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
My error; thought I heard her introduced. It was the woman with the white streak in her hair.
― Jazzbo, Monday, 22 April 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
I liked it and wished the men would shut the fuck up, especially the bisexual queen Cleveland.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:57 (five years ago) link
I could have done without shots of Pollack and his film crew as well
― curmudgeon, Monday, 29 April 2019 11:04 (five years ago) link
If you cut it down to just the singing, it's a 50-minute film. No profit there. A feature needs to show behind-the-scenes.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:09 (five years ago) link
I wish, like the Jackson film, we had had contextual interviews. A different film, of course.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:18 (five years ago) link
Yes. Interviews would have been nice. Seeing the seemingly all white guy film crew bugged me more than seeing Rev Franklin and Rev Cleveland, as the latter were part of her life ( as annoying as they were). I guess the Revs did take up more onscreen time.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:39 (five years ago) link
This was great! Can't imagine how or why this film would not feature Cleveland as prominently as it did...? It's his church, his choir, his ministry, his congregation. It seemed evident she savored bing back in church and not "on stage."
I also appreciated that we saw the film crew, saw the extent to which their presence presented a hurdle to clear in terms of maintaining a worship-first vibe.
I thought C.L. taking care to dry her face was a really tender and moving moment.
My only gripe—along the same lines—was that the mix (at least where I saw it) didn't really sound like the room. I would have preferred a really full ambient recording of the space.
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:19 (five years ago) link
yeah Cleveland was certainly important to the show (and mentored her in her youth, right?) but apparently Aretha herself, per the NYT feature a week ago, that his and C L's screentime made her "wallpaper" in her own film; that's why she disliked it, in part.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:39 (five years ago) link
*Aretha herself felt that
yeah their connection and comfort level was cool to see
I can see that a little bit w/r/t C.L., he was def soaking it up a little....as a preacher's kid I can attest that this unfortunately comes w/ the territory
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:25 (five years ago) link
He didn't hide his queerness either, which I would've liked the film to explain at least.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:29 (five years ago) link
not sure how the directorial conceit could have accommodated that, or to what end
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:36 (five years ago) link
I mean it was just stuff happening in a room
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:37 (five years ago) link
Well, the film is a mess -- it's barely a film, just shards -- held together by Aretha's stoicism, the music, and the frantic manner in which Cleveland channels his flamboyance into performance (professionally, I'll add).
I don't know. A film about these shows could have integrated what we know about Cleveland in voice-over, interviews, titles, something; it's just too damn fraught, in retrospect. And there's rumors about Aretha's own bisexuality too.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:43 (five years ago) link
I had problems with the MJ documentary not contexualizing events too.
Plus, how many white people know Clara Ward -- also bisexual!
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:46 (five years ago) link
yeah I guess a different approach that would have allowed for that (and eased the disjointedness) would be something more like a film-about-an-attempted-film
or a film about that gospel milieu, the people involved, her upbringing
but those performances are amazing, I had to duck out and ask to have it turned up
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:58 (five years ago) link
Her performance obviously makes the movie.
Re, other stuff, Was just reading Internet allegations stuff about Rev Franklin having been involved with Clara Ward for a long time, and that having broken up the marriage between Rev CL Franklin & Aretha’s Mom decades before this gig
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:05 (five years ago) link
church is a place to get busy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:18 (five years ago) link
My favorite shot was the one where Aretha first sits down at the piano on the first night, just sitting there waiting for Cleveland to finish his introduction, with a blank expression on her face that you're tempted to read some kind of feeling/thought into. You can only imagine what was going through her head at that moment.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:38 (five years ago) link
^^^ yes
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:46 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDxzQJaA228
― calstars, Monday, 1 August 2022 02:07 (one year ago) link
This is like my favorite song of all times
― calstars, Monday, 1 August 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link
I've really, really warmed to it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link
it’s def a fave of mine
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 August 2022 03:11 (one year ago) link
A will that was found in a couch has been deemed valid, putting an end to the estate battle.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 00:21 (ten months ago) link
That’s wild
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 03:10 (ten months ago) link
Just heard about this even though the upload's over a decade old:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnj2gK68Y4
Two years before her breakthrough at Atlantic, and also that's Darlene Love in the middle of the trio of background singers! A slightly faster arrangement of the hit record by Betty Everett, but it's pretty awesome how much Aretha brings to the second half when she belts those notes. Even at 0:32, that tremor in her voice is amazing.
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 December 2023 23:10 (five months ago) link
I feel very fortunate that I was able to take my whole family to what turned out to be her final concert.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 December 2023 23:16 (five months ago) link