2019 Rock N Roll HOF Nominees

I, for one, am mostly surprised they managed to resist the siren call of nominating the Dave Matthews Band.

feelin Devo this morning

Good list.

Surprised Rundgren isn't already in. Zombies maybe less so.

lol

Before they were nominated last year, Radiohead gave an interview where they discussed their disinterest in a potential Rock Hall induction. “I don’t care,” said Jonny Greenwood. “Maybe it’s a cultural thing that I really don’t understand. I mean, from the outside it looks like... it’s quite a self-regarding profession anyway. And anything that heightens that just makes me feel even more uncomfortable.” While Thom Yorke, Philip Selway, and Ed O’Brien also sounded apathetic, Colin Greenwood said, “I’d be grateful if we got in.”

Members of the British punk rock band The Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, refused to attend the ceremony, calling the museum "a piss stain" and "urine in wine".[49]

On March 14, 2007, two days after that year's induction ceremony, Roger Friedman of Fox News published an article claiming that the Dave Clark Five should have been the fifth inductee, as they had more votes than inductee Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. The article went on to say "Jann Wenner used a technicality about the day votes were due in. In reality, The Dave Clark Five got six more votes than Grandmaster Flash. But he felt we couldn't go another year without a rap act."[46]

Surprised MC5 aren’t already in.

they had to make room for journey and bon jovi

Life really is pretty great. What a treat to sit back and think about how grateful I am - that we all are - to have had such great rock and roll acts entertaining us throughout these years. Rocking, rolling, making us feel what they feel and have a great time doing it! We salute you, Def Leppard, Devo, Janet Jackson, John Prine, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, Roxy Music, Stevie Nicks, The Cure, Todd Rundgren, Rufus & Chaka Kahn, and The Zombies!!! It's too hard to pick a favorite! THANK YOU for rocking us through these years and hopefully for many more to come!! Rock on :)

Sex Pistols OTM (xxxxpost)

Hopefully The Cure and Kraftwerk go in on the same night.

voted for rufus

MC5 probably due to their very short career? They seem to value bands for longevity.

Still surprised that Motorhead aren't in, along with AC/DC and the Ramones they're probably the most emblematic/canonical/iconic "rock 'n roll band" you could think of. Also, Stevie Nicks seems an odd choice, her solo career is even more of a footnote to her band than, say, Sting, Don Henley or Phil Collins. I can see the gender angle but Kate Bush would seem a lot more obvious. Anyway, it's always been difficult to see any consistency in these nominations.

voted for Def Lep, a Rock and Roll HOF without the band that brought us Rock! Rock! (Til You Drop), Rock of Ages, Rocket, Stagefright, and Let's Get Rocked is no Rock and Roll HOF.

i agree that def leppard should be in the rock and rock hall of fame

i voted for janet, roxy, radiohead, the cure, and the zombies, though it's hard for me to argue that def leppard shouldn't be in there when so many lessers of their era are in already.

at the official website, i mean, haven't decided who i'm gonna vote for here tho

Shocked that The Cure haven't already been inducted.

Still surprised that Motorhead aren't in, along with AC/DC and the Ramones they're probably the most emblematic/canonical/iconic "rock 'n roll band" you could think of.

That's an interesting comment; I don't think of Motorhead as "canonical" at all, at least in the Jann Wenner/rockcrit/RRHoF sense. I never heard about them growing up, reading rock mags, etc., and even as an adult I mainly only hear about them on places like ILM (or when Lemmy is in the news for something weird). I think of them as a long-running "cult" band that gets little mainstream attention, at least in the U.S. -- I couldn't even name one of their albums.

Yes odd - worldwide they were huge right up to the end. I had tickets for their last (obv cancelled) tour in an arena that booked Celine Dion, Metallica etc. They even had their own ski's.

at least in the Jann Wenner/rockcrit/RRHoF sense. I never heard about them growing up, reading rock mags, etc.

this is because all those assholes hated metal

those pricks inducted Bon Jovi because they supposedly had enough Springsteen type roots rock in their glam sandwich, even though they were basically the Jack Morris of '80s pop metal. Def Leppard were the true kings. Motorhead of course was huge, as canonical among hard rock fans as AC/DC and the Ramones, i think. they just didn't have the radio hits (though you hear them more and more now, and i think they'll get in eventually.)

But Motorhead was never really a metal band, all their stuff is essentially 1950s rock 'n roll played on 10. They're really much closer to AC/DC and the Ramones than to say Maiden or Priest.

they ignored hard rock for a long time, only relenting for no-doubters like AC/DC, Sabbath, and Led Zep.

Deep Purple finally got in 2016

I always got the sense that Motorhead was a band that the punk kids and the metal kids agreed on, like Black Sabbath.

i think the Misfits as well.

I always got the sense that Motorhead was a band that the punk kids and the metal kids agreed on, like Black Sabbath

my first exposure to Motorhead was in a Love + Rockets comic where this literally happens (the punk kid and the metal kid can't agree on anything to listen to except for "Ace of Spades")

punk + metal, the two genres the RRHOF has always shown a great affinity for amirite

the Jack Morris of '80s pop metal

this is a devastating burn

Radiohead vs Rundgren, not sure, unless Def Leppard comes up the middle.

Roxy Music, but they'll never get in.

I could see a compelling case for basically every nominee. I went with Radiohead, Roxy, Kraftwerk, Janet, and The Cure.

Are the Fall in the HoF already? Suspend any newcomers until the Fall enter imo.

(RnR HoF is the most USA being USA shit there is)

It's boring and meaningless but also kind of fun to talk/argue about. (Also, LOL @ the idea of The Fall ever making it in.)

I can see the case for all these nominees except RATM, whom I think are fucking horrible and (thankfully) don't have much of a rep anymore, so they fail on both counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-EUKdn1FEk

If this doesn't seal a RnR HoF deal, I don't know what Mark E. Smith could've done more.

(voted Roxy Music, obv)

Mark would spit at least three of his teeth at LL Cool J, after the latter busted them out of his mouth.

LL Cool J a HoF contender, smdh

Surely Limp Bizkit will be in before RATM?

I've been on an island with RATM for years now. I think they're maybe the most unjustly denigrated band of the past two decades. I don't know why everyone else derives so much glee from shitting on them (I mean, partly I do, it's the whole agitprop-for-fratbros thing) but I think they kicked fucking ass.

I'll be voting for the Cure, Devo, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, and I don't know who else. Maybe the MC5, though I don't actually love any of their official albums and Wayne Kramer's autobiography was surprisingly dull. The New Year's Day 1970 show that used to be available as Teen Age Lust and is now part of a live box set is better than anything they released in their creative lifetime. Fuck Def Leppard forever.

xp people hold it against them that they started the whole rap-rock thing, tho they did it much much better than anyone else (not much of a RATM fan, but I still think it's true)

they started the whole rap-rock thing

haha waht

lmao

John Prine's a fun choice. Give it to him while he's here to get it.

Would like to see Roxy Music in there, but Kraftwerk the most important act by a mile, unless they aren't "rock", but that's a silly thing in the first place.

they started the whole rap-rock thing

haha waht

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:26 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol they weren't the first group to combine rap and rock obv, but they were the most prevalent influence to the punchline bands of the late '90s

I still can’t get over the fact that THE CURE not only aren’t in the HOF but that they’ve been eligible for.... 15 years? WTF? I know it’s all up to Jann but that’s as much of a no brainer as Talking Heads or Nirvana or whoever else got in on their first year. Maybe RS pissed off RS.

they were the most prevalent influence to the punchline bands of the late '90s

I dunno, it seems like much more of a continuum to me - from Rick Rubin/Run DMC/Beasties up through Judgment Night/Body Count/Anthrax+Public Enemy/Faith No More/RATM and then it *really* hit as a subgenre w Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, etc. By the time this stuff hit it's commercial peak the bands involved were drawing on over a decade's worth of precedents.

Re: The Cure — there are very few “cool”/alternative bands from the ‘80s in the hall, and I don’t think any from Britain other than the Police (if they can be considered “cool”) and Clash? No Smiths, etc.

I always try to divide this into subjective and objective lists.

Objectively: Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, MC5, Radiohead, Roxy Music, Todd Rundgren

I think they all meet the weird popularity/critical acclaim/influence/peak-career value matrix I have set up in my mind. (I don't think one revered album, as with the Zombies, is enough.)

Subjectively: Out of those, I guess Todd Rundgren and the MC5 are my favourites.

Maybe the Cure too, objectively, I don't know. No use for anything past two or three early songs.

LOL -- Jann S. Wenner himself is an inductee (2004)

He founded, edited and published Rolling Stone magazine, the ultimate standard in music journalism. The first music magazine to take the form seriously, Rolling Stone blossomed from an indie magazine to a cornerstone of music journalism under his guidance and professionalism.

Everyone knows it was Crawdaddy; the Wikipedia page for that magazine has several helpful citations up top which demonstrate this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawdaddy_(magazine)

(I mean, who cares, but still -- that blurb is BS)

both melody maker and NME predate rolling stone, too

I don't think they took things very seriously till the 70 though.

60s issues of NME are remarkably dire

Faith No More would definitely be a better choice than RATM.

Faith No More is never a better choice than anything. Faith No More are a garbage band for pseuds.

ooh that's me

The punchline is that RHCP is already in, you guys

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Come on, who wouldn’t want to hear a cleverly updated We Care A Lot for today’s world of #metoo and alt-right?

I'm not a huge fan or anything but credit where credit is due for putting out something as strange and abrasive as Angel Dust at the height of their fame, that is a really weird record

otm

The punchline is that RHCP is already in, you guys

― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:50 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they had 18 years of extreme popularity, there was no chance they would miss out.

RHCP has a much better claim to the RR HOF than the Journeys of the world.

Re: The Cure — there are very few “cool”/alternative bands from the ‘80s in the hall, and I don’t think any from Britain other than the Police (if they can be considered “cool”) and Clash? No Smiths, etc.

DEVO

Are Depeche Mode in yet? They seem inevitable.

No they are not

I'm tellin ya, there are no "cool" bands from the '80s other than a handful of New Wavers/CBGBers/'70s holdovers (Ramones, Clash, Talking Heads, Blondie, Cars); a few U.S./Brit hybrid bands (Police, Pretenders); R.E.M.; and RHCP.

Oh and U2, I guess (if they're "cool")

c'mon guys, we all know there was no rock and roll in the 80s. It was the end of the innocence, after all.

Pet Shop Boys deserve to be in more than anyone.

Also John Peel

Pet Shop Boys deserve to be in more than anyone.

― Mr. Snrub,

Are there openly gay HOFers?

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/elton-john

Elton?

oh, jinx

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/queen (if FM counts as "openly gay," maybe he doesn't)

Roxy all the way. Never made a bad record; gave us Chic and tonnes of punk / post-punk bands; also counts as a vote for Eno.

Kraftwerk, I love them and they are more objectively influential but they never made anything as heartstoppingly perfect as Mother of Pearl or If There Is Something - in my opinion anyway.

The Cure should have stopped years ago and haven't made a record in ten years the lazy fuckers. What's theur excuse? Robert Smith is at leadt technically alive. The "Bob pissed in his kitchen playing with Cubase on a laptop" affair that was Mixed Up II doesn't count.

Excuse poor spelling i am using a phone and being from the North of England my fingers are not particularly dextrous.

ILX knows what I think of Roxy, but they didn't give us Chic. Chic borrowed presentational concepts.

Lol, your argument for Roxy sealed the deal imo! (also a vote for Chic and Eno).

xp

And one of those presentational concepts (probably more than one tbf) was Roxy Music's

God, I can't believe Zappa's in the HoF. He sort of breaks all the usual induction rules, right? A pure cult figure, not a big unit-mover or stadium-filler. He's not even really a "critical favorite"!

The Cure will never be voted in in my lifetime, they are far to weird. I do give the hall props for actually nominating them after all these years.

First time they have appeared

The little write-ups of each inductee on the RRHOF website are the absolute worst:

NOT EVERYONE BOUGHT THEIR ALBUM, BUT EVERYONE WHO DID STARTED A BAND.

The Velvet Underground was literary but down to earth, schooled in both highbrow culture and the streets. They wrote about life as they saw it — drugs and all — but they saw the beauty in bleakness.

Drugs and all, you guys!

"the streets"

can we discuss those dashes

"I do give the hall props for"

Is "the hall" really deserving of props? Has it done not more bad than good, by simply existing?

^No, b/c it provided the occasion for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-50pwpfmJfA

Lol @ the idea that it is genuinely surprising that the RRHOF, whose founders include Ertegun and Wenner, has not yet inducted the Cure or Depeche Mode.

Ugh, why is their site alphabetized by first name?

Wait until you get to the "The"s!

That Velvets performance is so goddamn poignant. I don't care that it's a dandelion puff of a song. Their grief bound them together.

I tell myself I don't care about the rnrhof but I can't help but pull for some of my favorite bands. None of my favorite bands are nominated this year though, where are Depeche Mode and Sonic Youth?

Anyway, out of these I feel like Def Leppard and rage against the machine should be in mostly because I feel like they both did their specific thing much better that their contemporaries.

oh and Roxy Music which seems like a ridiculous omission (so far) even going by the weird standards of the hof

Not really. They were non-existent as commercial presences in the States.

Tbf Avalon went platinum in the US, and Country Life, Siren, and Manifesto made the top 40. They certainly had a different profile in the States compared to Europe though.

The thing is, it seems when Brits think of Roxy Music it's their first three albums that come to mind, all of which were duds in the US

No, I'm aware of their commercial performances in the States, and the rate at which Avalon got certified adduces the way it gradually sold and sold through the 1980s; but their American airplay during the 1970s consists of hot spots: Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia. They had no national presence at all. Ferry also lacked Bowie's interest in courting hostile American press but getting headlines anyway and Bowie's protean instincts.

i say we should get it over with and induct every musical act in history into the rock and roll hall of fame

You have a lot of faith in the Cleveland hospitality industry to absorb all those visitors for the induction ceremony.

Link Wray still hasn’t been inducted.

While on one hand I agree with La Bateau Ivre re: The Fall, who for a few years in the 80's were the finest RnR band on Earth imho. In my heart of hearts i just want to paraphrase the great Ron House and say "let's burn it down before The Fall gets in". Surely MES himself would've wanted nothing to do with it.

i say we should get it over with and induct every musical act in history into the rock and roll hall of fame
^^

how anyone can take it srsly is beyond me

Tom Morello seems well-connected (played w/ Springsteen) so I’d bet Rage makes it in.

To me the first ten years of the CURE are all time.
Plus I've heard hundreds of singers trying to ape Robert Smith.

how anyone can take it srsly is beyond me

I've made this point many times (in connection to the baseball HOF, too): taking an interest in something and taking it seriously (or actually caring enough to get emotionally wrapped up in it) are not the same thing. I'm interested in the nominations and inductions as a barometer of how different artists are viewed over time, or when looking at a thread like this, where people advocate and dismiss. As to actual emotional investment in the enterprise, less than zero. I mean, it amazes me how worked up people can get over whether or not Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are in the baseball HOF.

The Cure will never be voted in in my lifetime, they are far to weird. I do give the hall props for actually nominating them after all these years.

I suppose they are weird, but they released one of the most gorgeous pop songs of the past 40 years -- not to mention a handful of other standards -- and many groups already in the Hall produced far, far less. I have a hard time imagining the 1980s without the Cure. The fact that they aren't in already and are presumably facing stiff competition from the likes of John Prine and Chaka f-ing Kahn is ridiculous.

These nominations lists are quite successful at enraging me on an annual basis.

The baseball HOF is another beauty. I mean Babe Ruth got 95% of the vote, meaning 5% of writers thought Babe Ruth was undeserving of induction.

Which--not to derail the thread--is why that silly tradition continues today: Ruth didn't get 100% of the vote, so no one can.

The fact that they aren't in already and are presumably facing stiff competition from the likes of John Prine and Chaka f-ing Kahn is ridiculous.

I like the Cure but the Cure never sang "Street Player" or "Ain't Nobody" or fuckin' "I'm Every Woman" or, for the love of God, "Tell Me Something Good." One of the most gorgeous pop songs of the last 40 years? Try dance songs that still drive everybody out to the floor thirty-five years after they charted. Prine's a better songwriter than Robert Smith, too, but that's neither here nor there, the point is that Rufus murders everybody else on the list without breaking a sweat, not for nothing was Bruce Swieden mixing those amazing, perfect albums

Radiohead vs Rundgren

Voted Rundgren since he has been eligible far longer

Morello became part of the nominating committee around 2013-14, and his first act of advocacy was for Kiss. He and Questlove were brought in after Jon Landau et al had done a house cleaning of committee members who were very focused year after year on, say, various doo wop artists who had not been inducted, in favor or younger people: at one time every single younger member was a Rolling Stone staffer. I imagine both are still on the committee, and while his entire public posture is that of an unbending leftist, Morello is a HUGE schmoozer who was and surely still is quite comfortable in the most corporate corners of the music industry. If dave marsh is still on the committee, I'm sure he would advocate for RAtM and would continue to viscerally disdain the likes of the Cure.

I bet Questlove is a big todd stan, as Todd appeared on Fallon a few years ago, and the Roots and Q in particular played the SHIT out of "Couldn't I Just tell you," and so it might be a philly thing. Q played it unmistakably like he had been waiting many years to tear it up with Todd.

Link Wray still hasn’t been inducted.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:13 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a crime

Which--not to derail the thread--is why that silly tradition continues today: Ruth didn't get 100% of the vote, so no one can.

― clemenza, Wednesday, October 10, 2018 6:47 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some guys are taking the same approach to the rock hall

Van Halen didn’t go into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the first year they were eligible. Does Pearl Jam need to? If Van Halen had to wait — I think they waited like 10 years! As great as Pearl Jam is and as relevant as Pearl Jam is, really, first time, first ballot? No, not in my book, not when you have countless iconic bands still on the sidelines.

it's very dumb

Link Wray still hasn’t been inducted.

Not to mention Dick Dale!

Stevie Nicks or Roxy, but went with Roxy

That Velvets performance is so goddamn poignant. I don't care that it's a dandelion puff of a song. Their grief bound them together.

that lou smile at mo at 2:59 is everything.

Is there anywhere I could watch that Todd+Roots version of "Couldn't I Just Tell You", because it seems to have vanished from the internet for entirely Jimmy Fallon-related custodial reasons

Was looking for that too

I took a bit of a dive into Rundgren's catalog in the past year and while I do like bits here and there the general impression I got was one of fairly off-putting cynicism. might have been the gross way "Slut" is tagged onto the end of all the scatterbrained genre exercises of "Something/Anything" that cemented that impression for me.

reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSMR9CfDioM

reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

Yes, but by no means all the time - unlike Zappa.

Todd said not long ago that he would consider zappa comparisons a compliment. But I look at it as zappa is to G clinton as Todd is to Stevie… and furthermore, as much as he is a smart aleck who tired of doing perfect pop quickly, he would very often invest his shit with a lot of heart, which Zappa refused to or was incapable of doing. Throughout his 50 plus year career, when he did power-pop, soul or what have you, he was not saying "fuck everything but Edgar Varese and Johnny guitar watson, I'm going to make a quick buck off this crap, and improve it with with Steve vai and my Carl stallings interludes." rather he was wanted to be sincere at least, oh, 50% of the time.

I watched that todd/roots thing the day after it was on, by whatever means NBC wanted Fallon shit to be watched on the innuhnet. Is it not on Hulu?

I'm sure I've linked to this site before, but its pretty much the best RRHoF watchdog thing that exists. http://www.futurerocklegends.com/… the guy who does it used to have a URL with some combination of "RRHoF" but he was threatened by Hall lawyers and changed it to be much more vague and innocuous. I checked it this morning and learned of this this podcast "who cares about the rock hall" podcast therein. I am listening to an episode where to hosts talk to Roy trakin (who once called me "boychik")who discusses being part of the nominating committee. No real good dirt yet…

That's an interesting site; but they consider it a "snub" every year an artist is eligible but not inducted? - http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php

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he would very often invest his shit with a lot of heart, which Zappa refused to or was incapable of doing

yeah he does not seem *quite* the asshole that Zappa was. Like, I don't detect any real ironic detachment in "I Saw the Light" for ex.

xp

Are we voting for who we want to get in/most deserving in our eyes? Or predicting who will get in?

Oblig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd9cw1wquyw

My favorite RRHoF story involves a stone/cement mason hired to do some work around John Mellencamp's pool, in the early 2000s. The deck around the pool was all smashed up, and the mason asked what had happened. It turns out that when John learned he wasn't going to be inducted in the HoF in his first year of eligibility, he took a jackhammer to the deck in a fit of rage.

Ranked by giveashits:

Devo
Radiohead
The Zombies
Def Leppard
The Cure
Todd Rundgren
Stevie Nicks
Rufus & Chaka Kahn
MC5
Kraftwerk
Janet Jackson
Roxy Music
LL Cool J
Rage Against the Machine
John Prine

I don't get Stevie Nicks as a solo artist at all. George Harrison is iffy as a solo artist; Ringo's second induction is silly. Stevie Nicks would be even sillier.

Does the principal in School of Rock have a vote? That's the only explanation I can come up with.

That "Future Rock Legends" site is thorough. The first name listed on the Eligible Artists subsection is Adam Sandler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIAbxI3r0rU

Everyone talks about the snubs, but whats the consensus on the most inconsequential artist to actually get in?

In the "Performers" category? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees#Performers

They all seem pretty consequential to me (though I'm not familiar with a few of the early guys, or backing bands inducted on their own, like the Blue Caps and Famous Flames).

I feel like RHCP are too artistically mediocre to be in there (despite their obvious success), but I realize the same case could be made for others, depending on personal taste.

I went with Kraftwerk, Radiohead would have been my alternate.

Everyone talks about the snubs, but whats the consensus on the most inconsequential artist to actually get in?

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, October 10, 2018 6:06 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Dave Clark 5

Everyone talks about the snubs, but whats the consensus on the most inconsequential artist to actually get in?

it's not as if they induct artists of actually no consequence, but considering who they could've inducted and who they haven't inducted, dire straits and ringo starr seem highly questionable, and maybe jackson browne and tom waits should leave the museum and get back in line, out of respect for those they jumped in front of.

I think Joan Jett and the Blackhearts were maybe a questionable choice.

dire straits deserve to be in for making movies alone. also, they had an outsized influence on musicians in west africa, which is cool: https://africasacountry.com/2015/03/the-unexpected-popularity-of-dire-straits-in-north-african-tuareg-communities/

Dude waht joan jett is incredible

I don't get Stevie Nicks as a solo artist at all. George Harrison is iffy as a solo artist; Ringo's second induction is silly. Stevie Nicks would be even sillier.

― clemenza, W

by RHOF standards she qualifies: more than enough solo hits, distinctive enough from her full time gig. Influential? Undoubtedly. Whether the influenced distinguish Nicks solo from FM is another question.

Stevie is more defensible than Ringo by far, she at least has some iconic and unforgettable solo moments vs...whatever Ringo has done post-Beatles.

I would entertain a chat over drinks in which It Don't Come Easy, Early 1970, and Snookeroo >>> Stand Back, If Anyone Falls, etc

First two seasons of Thomas and Friends getting insufficient respect.

His role as the Pope in Listztomania too.

very cool story about dire straits' influence on tuareg musicians, but i'm voting tinariwen into my rrhof before i vote dire straits in.

Dude waht joan jett is incredible

this is a true fact.

^^This all just proves my point (about taste) when it comes to the batch of inducted artists... I don’t think there can be anything like a consensus “not quite worthy” pick.

I think I want to go with Chaka Khan & Rufus or mb the Zombies?

i always feel like you need to fill yr hall with the ones who came first before you start letting the later years in but it never happens

like it is crazy to me that Janet or Def Leppard could go in before Chaka & Rufus!

I must have looked away during Stevie Nicks's solo career. I like "Edge of Seventeen" and the song she did with Tom Petty. I know nothing else.

My list of people who warrant induction twice would be very small. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Neil Young, Lou Reed, and probably Eric Clapton (for the Yardbirds and Cream, not necessarily for his own albums, although I guess Layla counts as an Eric Clapton record). I've probably forgotten somebody. When Beyonce and Justin Timberlake go in twice, I'll be happily dead.

Mick Jagger is a five-star solo artist. Surely he'll get a slot. We're just a few years away from the 20th anniversary of his peak!

Stevie is more defensible than Ringo by far, she at least has some iconic and unforgettable solo moments vs...whatever Ringo has done post-Beatles.

― omar little, Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:12 (nine hours ago) Permalink

fwiw, ringo got in with the hall's "Award for Musical Excellence," which according to wikipedia, "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers." other winners include leon russell, glyn johns, etc. he's not technically in the hall as a solo performer.

reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off

― Οὖτις

but when the time came rundgren could be sincere, could write a love song, which zappa could never bring himself to do. god, what do you think zappa would have made of something like "healing"? and certainly zappa never could have written something like "just one victory".

Another thing is Rundgren seemed to have a fairly healthy ego/self-image whereas Zappa always seemed riddled with insecurity to me.

one redeeming factor that's always struck me personality-wise w/Todd (and this has absolutely nothing to do w his music, to be clear) is how highly Liv Tyler and Bebe Buell have publicly spoken of him re: being a father to Liv while she was growing up.

That whole story is so strange, ha.

ZOMS GLOM NOM; THOM'S QUALM

lmao is that real ?

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Wow, Kraftwerk, the Cure, and Radiohead?!

2019: the year the Rock HoF got good.

We'll find out in "December 2019" (they can't get more precise on that?)

*Dec. 2018

Radiohead 5 more votes than Def Lep GTFO

I agree, only 5 votes more!?

two votes for the zombies ?

y’all are crazy

roxy music lol gtfo

Are we voting for who we want to get in/most deserving in our eyes? Or predicting who will get in?

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, October 10, 2018

This wasn’t (and still isn’t) clear to me, either...

I don’t think I’ve even followed any HoF ceremony. How many winners are there? Previous years give me like 4 or 5 winners unless I’m reading it wrong.

Stevie Nicks 0

lmao

So I started listening to that Rock Hall podcast mentioned upthread. It's pretty damn charming. I thought it would be something enjoyable to hate-listen while stuck in traffic, but I'm actually kind of hooked.

“Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2019 Inductees” (RockHall.com). The Zombies: two effectively Beatle-style Top 10 hits in 1965 (think of “She’s Not There” and “No Reply” — which one disappears in the face of the other?) and another one, boring even if the radio loves it, four years later. But when the Shangri-Las — “Remember (Walking in the Sand),” “Leader of the Pack,” “Give Him a Great Big Kiss,” “Out in the Streets” and “I Can Never Go Home Anymore” — three of them Top Ten in 1964 and 1965, one of them Number One, all of them not merely hits, but iconic — have never been nominated, let alone voted in, how can this mean anything at all? I don’t know if Janet Jackson or Def Leppard would agree, but I’d bet Stevie Nicks and Bryan Ferry would.

This made me laugh, because I've seen the same point made a thousand times in relation to Barry Bonds and/or Roger Clemens. I've always resisted the formulation when applied to baseball because, agree or disagree, I've always known why Bonds and Clemens have not (yet) been voted in--it's not some inexplicable mystery.

When it comes to the Shangri-Las, he may be onto something.

(Greil Marcus--was going to post that on his thread but moved it over here.)

I'm all for putting the Shangri-Las in the MLB hall of fame

did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"

Shirelles and Ronettes are in; Shangs absolutely should be, too.

i love time of the season and i think this year's rock hall class is a perfectly decent one, all things considered, and i'd take the shangri-las over every single one of 'em in a heartbeat.

and now that alan trammell's in the mlb hall, i'd be happy to devote my efforts to getting the shangri-las in there too.

also, he didn't even mention "train from kansas city"

to continue the baseball HOF analogy, using the Zombies' lower number of top ten hits against them is like Adrian Beltre making the HOF and some someone grousing about the fact that he made only 4 All Star games.

did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:34 AM (twenty hours ago)

i think he also just shit on "no reply" (tho, as so often with greil, you can't always be sure -- i assumed for years he hated the faces because of a line in his old rod stewart essay that seemed like a dismissal, but he said recently in the ask-GM column that he loved them).

somehow i'd missed that the shangri-las aren't in the hall of fame -- that's inexcusable.

I thought he was being out and out dismissive of the Zombies, describing the first hits as "effectively" Beatles-esque before bringing in the genuine article for comparison (BTW, were the Zombies included in his discog in Stranded? Don't have a copy anymore to check.) Which is classic Greil down to how off-base it is as an argument--I get a feeling he hasn't heard much else of their work since it was new, and if he had, perhaps he'd realize there was way more to the band than the three hits.

He's right that The Shangri-Las should be considered, although it's understandable that they haven't given the bias of the voting body towards Rock vs. Girl Group Pop. Looking at the inductees list (and discounting the Supremes and Martha & The Vandellas, because MOTOWN), the Shirelles ('96), the Ronettes ('07) and Darlene Love ('11) are literally the only performers from the genre that have made it in.

They're not as cool, but one could make the same argument he made for the Crystals, Lesley Gore, or Dionne Warwick (holy shit @ that one too).

wait, dionne warwick isn't in? wtf is wrong w/people???

Slayer should be in the Hall and so should Dionne Warwick and they should collabo on a medley of "Seasons in the Abyss/Walk on By" at the ceremony

I love how the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame", which conveniently gets ignored when one of their favorite "not rock but rock-adjacent" acts gets in.

[the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame"

instead, they should say, "oh shit, we just assumed we'd already inducted her! sorry!" that would be a better, and more believable, argument.

I’m gonna be hella cyclical and say the Shirelles are in b/c the Beatles, and Ronettes b/c Phil Spector.

*Cynical (lol)

It really should just be renamed the Pop Music HoF anyway.

It should be renamed "A List of a Bunch of Musicians"

Greenwich/Barry are in as non-performers, at least: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/ellie-greenwich-and-jeff-barry

Slayer probably is still too controversial?

oh yeah I was totally kidding about them

I’m really surprised the NY Dolls aren’t in, either... How deep does the “Great Big Kiss” conspiracy go??