https://i.imgur.com/FaIbUD3.jpg
yknow I still can't believe this shit. The year we all put on masks, on Halloween no less, and the word put out on new year's eve, DOOM's gone ?
If you're reading this, please vote, listen, take part.
This is gonna get unwieldy. Hopefully I won't be the only one posting loads of Youtubes (if this thread gets clogged, open it in a incognito/non-logged-in window!).
But I don't think it's controversial to say that the most popular material is going to be the run of albums from 99-09:
Operation: Doomsday (MF DOOM)Take Me to Your Leader (King Geedorah)Vaudeville Villain (Viktor Vaughn)VV:2: Venomous Villain (Viktor Vaughn)Mm..Food (MF DOOM)Madvillainy (Madvillain)The Mouse and the Mask (DANGERDOOM)Born Like This (DOOM -- when he dropped the "MF" for a bit there)
I about lost my mind trying to make a bigger list (if NEHRUVIANDOOM is in then why not MA DOOM and the John Robinson album?). We'll get to trying. Together!
All to say that if you've heard a handful of the above, get at me. If you haven't, what better time?
maffew12 at hotmail dot com. Voting is open til midnight the night of April 11.
I'm leaving things pretty open. All album tracks, features, and productions are eligible. Anything that isn't a bootleg (apologies to SADEVILLAIN). If you're wondering about some obscure release, post here.
You can vote for a 2-volume Special Herbs release as an album, but not for a "0-9" set.
Please vote for a minimum of 5 albums and/or 10 tracks. There are no maximums. Would love to roll out albums, tracks, and a full spice rack (tallying various uses of beats).
Any votes for track remixes, early (12") versions or live takes I'll be combining. However album votes for "Madvillainy 2", the remix album, will stand on their own. Top album is probably going to be tight, and we're not having it decided on the back of down-ballot secondary Madvillain votes!
I realize this all leaves us open to having Ghostface's "9 Milli Bros" topping the tracks. But cmon now.
Spread the word
https://i.imgur.com/HbI6QPa.pngsource
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link
I have to spend more time with the KMD albums. Onyx recently posted a bit on Instagram...
https://i.imgur.com/sb9DDNL.png
https://i.imgur.com/ojqhfLq.png
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
From the fire vocalAsh and molten glass likeEyjafjallajöPOLL
― voodoo chili, Saturday, 27 March 2021 02:13 (three years ago) link
fk!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
Really excited for this!
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 27 March 2021 02:40 (three years ago) link
Tempted to vote for cellz pt 1. I do think that in terms of quintessential doom beats, and I consider his approach to beats to be essential to what doom is all about, the gheedorah album is perfect.
― candyman, Saturday, 27 March 2021 05:32 (three years ago) link
Hey maf!
So excited for this. Gonna listen to ridiculous amounts of doom this week. Currently trying to put together a Spotify playlist but there are some obscure ass singles on his wiki page (the only thing that seems to be missing is vik Vaughn 2)
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 07:38 (three years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2rWNVlUvbmfiN2m204DozP?si=g_zi0zY6Rhy1inLlaW3OXg
Here is everything I could find. It’s open so if you wanna add anything, feel free. I just put albums on wholesale so there may be some repeats where they put similar versions on extended versions etc. and instrumentals too.
Putting it on random while walking the dog I’ve already heard Ace In The Hole and Rock Co.Kane Flow, two absolute gems I’m gonna have to vote for
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 08:21 (three years ago) link
Great, thanks! Spotify does have an impressive amount of his material, but the "complete" playlists that people make never seem to catch all of it. We can have a go.
Reading back, not sure I was totally clear up top: I don't know how many albums he was involved with (or authorized use of his beats for... and I didn't want to get into that distinction), let alone tracks. If there's a big fan of "Escape from Monsta Island" out there, I want to hear about it. I wasn't about to set a minimum of time on the mic or something.
I've been hearing a lot of shit I haven't heard in almost 20 years, and still finding new things. Til last night, I had no idea this existed (a hoy hoy caught it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2O5pMCOa0
Working with Jneiro Jarel 5 years before JJ DOOM - cool 🤿
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 09:13 (three years ago) link
lol@ that fan video
Rock Co.Kane Flow
might be top 10 for me... you sent me back to this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWiUeU6VCso
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 09:14 (three years ago) link
why am i awake this early. I'll be back after a big bowl of MF-O's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVPypARduMY
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 09:26 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIggvDVt_eU
This is a low key banger off the end of Danger Doom.
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 27 March 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link
It is. Danger calming the cartoon album down for a minute. The record is a lot of fun... but easily my least favourite of the album run I put in the OP. Which is wild.
Reminded me of this stray track Danger and Mark Linkous did with DOOM that was put out in 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCohAV7NtM
you missed it on Spotify so I added it!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link
"I Hear Voices" had me wondering if I'd seen all the videos he actually appeared in. KMD had a couple, there's "?" and "Dead Bent" off Doomsday (still with this chopped up Halloween mask thing), 2 Madvillain singles, 2 JJ DOOM... think that's it? Anyway the animated stuff is great, and there's no shortage of crazy fan videos. Since we're on Danger, I just found this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQakz9-kvfI
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
More Tony Starks? Alright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkArIh0O2E
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
posting this from 2018 as a friend was involved with it, also it's pretty good and samples JLT which must be a unique combo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9hRLLj1Ur0
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 27 March 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
I played the shit out of that when it, er, dropped and I never bothered to look up the sample. Thanks! Is YOTA still active?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link
Not sure, they did a single with Noel Gallagher in 2019 which was uh less good, have not heard anything since then, may check in with him and find out
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 27 March 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
The JLT track is on Bob Stanley's English Weather compilation, it was quite a surprise to come across it.
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 27 March 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/0wwxeYe.jpg
his wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Doom_discography - That is a good reference for people looking. And before we get to "skipping" thread length I'll link some more that I've found handy:
Genius: https://genius.com/artists/Mf-doom (click Show All Songs and then there's a few sorting options)RYM: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/mf-doom (Appears On section pretty solid)
Also here's a 10 year old snapshot of a site that was a good reference for herb usagehttp://web.archive.org/web/20111120101315/http://metalfacedoom.com/
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 27 March 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
Anyways let's get talking faves soon.For now, I've discovered there's chill lofi doom to relax/study tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twlDZPbnlO0
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 28 March 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
someone did an update on the Herbs listing and included the sample sources too: http://special-herbs.github.io/
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 28 March 2021 23:47 (three years ago) link
heyyouguys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYQ16Dzj81A
now if i could keep things at exactly the same speed a minute... here's a top 10 for sure, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5s6jcuw6NM
just found this fan version wtf?!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 29 March 2021 00:07 (two years ago) link
His remix of pounds up by MOP is just all time classic and so perfect I wish they worked together.
― candyman, Monday, 29 March 2021 07:24 (two years ago) link
That sounds like something I need to hear right now
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
Thank you so much for doing this. Sorry if this was already said but KMD albums and tracks are fine to use here?
― gman59, Monday, 29 March 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
also, what a beat this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBr1ebmBjME
― gman59, Monday, 29 March 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
Yes! Vote KMD! Honestly if Sub Roc didn’t die, I could still see them going in a similar vain. He was just as talented and loved by Doom, his contributions should be 100% be part of this.
Unless maff says otherwise I want to vote for It Sounded Like A Roc. They are only inseparable only by death (man this took a dark turn, but so did his career)
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
I guess even if Subroc didn’t die, Elektra would have still lost their shot over Black Bastards. (I think he already died but soz if I got the timeline wrong.) It would have been two brothers figuring out how to come back as super villains (+onyx maybe)
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
I've played a DOOM project every day since Jan. 1.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link
Dooms sound would prob have been diff if his brother survived. My understanding is subroc tightened their stuff up a bit whereas doom was much looser
― candyman, Monday, 29 March 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
oh absolutely, if subroc survived he might've remained zev love x and never put on the mask
― voodoo chili, Monday, 29 March 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link
Personally, BB is my fave doom album. I love lots on his solo albums, but that album was an apex in a way. In some ways I think he got better and better and more adventurous, but I liked the playfulness of bb even as it was more hard bitten than mr hood. But kmd also showed doom is maybe 'tighter' when given a collaborator, like when he did dangerdoom ir jjdoom, but the way he did beats as a solo artist made him my favourite hip hop producer of that period. I get everyone likes madvillainy but I'll take the highlights of doomsday,food and born like this over that.
― candyman, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
madvillainy demos > the final officially released madvillainy
― voodoo chili, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link
Eligibility is wide open, everything but bootlegs! Sorry if it was confusing to put the big run of albums up top in an effort to try and engage more casual fans.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
Also this is my first poll so by all means question my decisions here. It was hard to try and pin down a similar past poll. A pretty unique career.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
What about this line though?https://genius.com/Kmd-what-a-nigga-know-lyrics#note-1509464
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link
From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one, I think Subroc was a more meticulous producer and DOOM’s style was always more a lofi, choppy kinda style. If Sub was still alive, the beats might have sounded a bit smoother but I think similar ideas would have been thrown around.
I recently listened to a podcast with Prodigy where he introduced Havoc to the Sp. even though we all think of Havoc as the Mobb deep producer, I think understanding that they all have an input is interesting. Subroc was the Havoc to KMD, but Doom knew enough to take his ideas to Bobito’s house after his death to launch a solo career.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:39 (two years ago) link
I do wonder how much 88-94 was a collective effort of friends. Someone who loved jazz, heard something no one else did and took that to their mate Diamond D or whoever is basically the apex of music to me.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
I recently heard a record Pete rock sampled and was amazed how he found so much potential in literally what I think was barely two bars. For me, doom without his own beats isnt really, truly doom. a bit like wu tang members and rza. Prob cos I'm not someone to be that wowed by rap lyrics, I'm more a flow and beats person, with a few exceptions. But the way ppl geek out over dilla is how I feel about doom beats.
― candyman, Monday, 29 March 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
I'm not putting on Herbs collections to listen to like I would Donuts or something... but I'm with you that you can't beat DOOM rhyming on his own beats. The way he puts together this whole world on Doomsday and Food. Madvillainy's great but it's something different.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:36 (two years ago) link
fwiw, 8 tracks of DOOM rhyming on DOOM beats that don't appear on DOOM(etc) albumshttps://open.spotify.com/playlist/1yA9HLeOIPOZWQjUtQcEJL?si=a5w6HTlPTtaKm3p4ptfwFQ
I Hear Voices pt 1w MF Grimm - Impostas (MF EP)MF Grimm - FoolishMonsta Island Czars - MIC LineHell Razah feat. Talib Kweli & MF DOOM - Project JazzJohn Robinson - SorcerersMA DOOM - Think I AmDOOMSTARKS - Victory LapDOOMSTARKS - Lively Hood
I think that's it?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 12:29 (two years ago) link
9*!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 12:30 (two years ago) link
oh and "MEATHEAD"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smVoxgny20Ucame out about a year ago... must be the last production of his there is right now
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 12:33 (two years ago) link
I have that MIC album somewhere. I think I got it for one song but literally dont know the rest.
― candyman, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 13:14 (two years ago) link
i wish that it was much better, yes i doooooooo
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
Here's a deep cut I like. The beat is so infectious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpwKJcLjao
― cajunsunday, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
wtf i had no idea that reissue had new stuff, that's gorgeous. thank youi think I'm gonna be doing more than one album resequencing as i try and process everything to squeeze a ballot out in time
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:30 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKIg17oHPI
Recently learning where the sample from The Finest and freaking out hearing it on the radio gave me a new appreciation for it. It’s weird how big a noise people made about puffy sampling pop hits from the 80s to take over the charts and DOOM did exactly the same thing to idk fictionally take over the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEzINHZv3o
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 2 April 2021 08:08 (two years ago) link
Yeah though DOOM never took part in that dumb criticism or any other rappity rap tropes, far as I recall... other than the idea of the mask gimmick being talked of as an anti-superstar-image, anyone-could-be-under-there kind of concept... when it suited him.
From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one,
Thanks, I hadn't grabbed this. We should compile a list of good interviews/shows. Gilles Peterson's tribue mix had a good monologue by Dante Ross at the start, though it just made me more confused about who did what in KMD.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 2 April 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Mmt5ZUh.pngsource
yo we're still going! One week left. Ballots are trickling in. What are you listening to?
For my going on about DOOM's whole world on Doomsday and Food, there is another record that to my mind stands as the most singular in his catalog: Vaudeville Villain. A teenage time traveller from a future where hiphop is outlawed, with beats that somehow sound the part. Seriously: King Honey, Heat Sensor, Max Bill?? Who are these guys? What else did they do? What is this record!! Where the hell do I place it!
Oh and there's a music video... I'd missed that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyiB-lkQBFY
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 4 April 2021 14:08 (two years ago) link
I feel like this thread title should just be shortened to being an MF Doom poll, no one refers to him as his government name and all the aliases are explained later.
What’s everyone’s favourite KMD tracks? Kinda tempted to vote for Nitty Gritty and wish they did more collabs
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link
My first crack at a title went over the limit! But I'll write the mods in a minute to tighten it up, and hit some other threads to see if we can get some more people in here.Fave KMD, Peachfuzz.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 17:21 (two years ago) link
definitely planning on voting but his discography is a challenge to parse, let alone rank.
i'll have something before the deadline tho.
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
True. It's been fun listening back to some deeper cuts and finding some new things, though my ballot's going to end up mainly the big releases.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
i think this might've been the last song with a DOOM verse released during his lifetime? unless something else came out in 2020 that i'm forgetting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9QmBUBD-AI
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
The GTA V game update that has "The Chocolate Conquistadors" with Badbadnotgood and "Lunch Break" with Flying Lotus was in December, after his passing but before pretty much anyone knew.
The former was released as a single digitally but I guess the only place you can hear "Lunch Break" legitimately is driving around in the game (which is enough for me to take votes for it!). Here's someone's youtube upload:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ArmYP1nklI
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
thread name is changed. Thanks for the title, voodoo!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
ill do my best to get a ballot together. wont have time to go back on a deep dive but i should have enough that i love to fill out a ballot.
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
deep dives definitely optional
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link
ha yess, appreciate the title
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link
i need to think on this a bit myself
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
Definitely going to vote in this, have just about got a shortlist together. Will lean very heavily on the main albums - have enjoyed going through those again.
maffew12 do you have a preference for how ballots are formatted i.e. just the track names or with the artist on there as well?
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
Doesn't matter. Just titles will be fine. I didn't put out a full list so I'll be wrangling things at counting time.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
OK cool!
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 April 2021 21:49 (two years ago) link
That Herbs Guide upthread is great. I should have sought more of these sample sources before now!
Also: are unranked track ballots are an option?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link
Weighted only, sorry.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 01:04 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdyY20rGpJ8
I really need to make my list in the next couple days
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:16 (two years ago) link
Controps time? I don't normally mind hiphop album excesses, but most of the non-DOOM bits of Madvillainy drive me up a wall. It's weird cuz I can listen to Madlib all day. Going through all of the Mad/DOOM material for this ballot, I made a playlist of my faves... with a little of the Four Tet remixes too. Goes 56 minutes.
Avalanche (single)Operation LifesaverCloser (off The Further Adventures of Lord Quas)BistroRaidRainbowsMeat Grinder (Four Tet remix)Supervillain ThemeStrange WaysFancy ClownButter King Jewels (off Madvillainy 2, uses DOOM vocal from Dabrye's "Air")Monkey Suit (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Monkey Suite")Great Day TodayAll CapsInterlude (Koushik)Victory Laps (Madvillainz Remix) (off DOOMSTARKS' Victory Laps single)Boulder Holder (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Money Folder")AccordionShadows of TomorrowFigaro (demo/leak version)Savage Beast instrumental (off Madvillainy 2)Rhinestone Cowboy (Four Tet remix... which DOOM re-remixed and re-recorded the vocal for)CurlsKnock Knock (off MED/Blu/Madlib Bad Neighbor album)Papermill (single)
(See also "One Beer" and "Absolutely", perfect where they're at on DOOM's albums)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link
Madness! Madvillainy is the best one because it has the best skits. In fact it is one of the only hip hop records in the whole damn history of the genre where I can play it the whole way through.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link
BECAUSE of the skits? lolololol
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
I meant because of the whole listenability, which I presume is not a word. It’s rare for a hip hop record to flow so seamlessly, and the skits and instrumentals are a big part of that. Quas and VV turning up too
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:25 (two years ago) link
It might be the samples of the narrator that kill me. And Zappa. And "Hardcore Hustle". And "Eye" is far weaker than any of DOOM's own deep-cut "one for the ladies" tracks.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link
so speaking of..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW4d-Cp19E
These fan-made cartoon videos are great. I thought this one had compiled all of the Mm Food ones out there, but nope.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
Stahhr/Angelika still doing it btw! I love this one so much (on Born Like This and Stahhr's own Almost Neva Was)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWUj_ZXNvU
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:39 (two years ago) link
trying to get a ballot together so i'm not influenced by the trickle of ballots coming into my email. Don't anyone forget the original DOOM ladies track, the man's best ever, Doomsday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gKblbeffM
Still people posting about "who is Pebbles the Invisible Girl?" when her only job on the record was to impersonate Sade and Barbara Weathers from Atlantic Starr (on "The MIC"). She does sound nice tho. I suspect it was just someone from the neighborhood, like Mr Fantastik. Hopefully they didn't also meet at a arms deal.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
Vote!
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
So what does "there are no maximums" mean in practice for tracks? I'm guessing that a ranked list of all 576 (or whatever) appearances is not really what you had in mind, lol?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 8 April 2021 02:04 (two years ago) link
Any fans of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_to_the_Kuffs ? To me it feels like the last proper Doom album. I'll probably vote for 'Winter Blues' on the track list. We could live forever like Henrietta Lacks cells
― cajunsunday, Thursday, 8 April 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
xp Uh,well, OP might've been written on a couple shots and a few beers..but who cares. In practice, placements will be worth the same across all ballots, so if someone sends in hundreds of tracks, their last place will be 1 or 2 points, and on up from there. We could end up with pinball-looking scores. Here's hoping.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 11:30 (two years ago) link
xp I think Kuffs could've been a great EP!
Way worse than I remembered: VV2Way better than I remembered: DANGERDOOM (dump the CeeLo and Kweli tracks for anything from the EP or reissue and this really holds up... not that I can rank it like that exactly)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
I remember VV2 being awful, unfortunately. I was so excited that Kool Keith as Dr Doom turning up too.
I actually really like the Cee Lo and Talib joints, makes me wish Doom did more with name artists over the years, I think he could have carved quite the niche for himself. He only ever really got to being like 16th on a gorillaz bill though, when it came to collabs. Rock Co Kane Flow is an obv sign he could have killed it.
Really need to sort a ballot out
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:48 (two years ago) link
I like those guys fine generally, but those two tracks, i dunno, yikes. Apparently DOOM had a habit of turning down features that didn't come with a payday. At least it's something that came up a bunch of times in coverage this year. Wonder what he was charging some of these kids for features recently.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link
I've whittled my ballot down to 83 tracks. I'll keep going til the deadline.
I hadn't really paid much attention to JJ DOOM before last week. Often quite good, is my belated impression.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 9 April 2021 04:47 (two years ago) link
I'll be voting for "Bite the Thong" from JJ DOOM fairly high up. Awesome electro-style beat, with a typically abstract DOOM take on the machinations of the record industry, complete with EPMD references. Magnificent.
― Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:12 (two years ago) link
xp No need to whittle, can just rank
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:16 (two years ago) link
I used to have a friend when I was 16 and we used to go to Soho to buy records we couldn’t find in our small town. Getting the train back, I remember one of my first instances of annoying-white-guy-says-rap-lyrics about a 12” of Hoe Cakes. He was an indie / jazz type, and even that young he was mad into understanding what was going on deep in 1960s jazz, whether it was free or spiritual or whatever and had a distaste for fusion because people on the internet said that wasn’t real jazz. He hated rap he would hear on the radio.
After that, I tried not to talk to him about rap, there was too much other great music to not talk about something he didn’t like. That train journey always bugged me though cos Hoe Cakes is a fucking journey for anyone who loves both rap and everything weird or different in rap. In a different world, that sample could have been a hit. Instead it’s a deep cut.
A couple years later, when I hadn’t seen him for a while and we had grown a bit, I met him in the street and we ended up chatting for hours. All he could talk about was how much he loved indie rap, and Doom specifically, especially Madvillain, and all I could think was him reading the lyrics off the back of that 12.
Fucking love this shit. Need to make my ballot like yesterday
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 9 April 2021 21:25 (two years ago) link
In which discussion did you guys cover the intricacies of "treat her like a daughter, taught her how to bust a nut"?I got a copy of that 12 a few years ago on discogs. Every one of the listings didn't get the diner menu back sleeve design and was described like, "back is dirty and has a pricetag on it, otherwise great."
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 23:15 (two years ago) link
uh this album's the best one isn't it
just gonna vote and live with the regret
― voodoo chili, Saturday, 10 April 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link
just got home for the day and determined to sort mine out,lolRegardless of your top pick, how do people compare Food and Doomsday? I think Food is the absolute peak and yet.. Doomsday is the original/the return and has more moods..is just more than the sum of its parts.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 April 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
side 4 of Madvillainy >>>>>> oxygen
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
Mm Food suffers for having like 10 skits in a row in the middle, makes me wanna skip half the record
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 11 April 2021 11:04 (two years ago) link
It is a weird move. Easy to skip, though I usually don't. Bit of a rest between barrages of classics. What would drag it down for me is if the Paul Barman track (on the Leftovers EP) had made it on there! As it is, pretty much perfect. If you've got that original Kookies beat:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhzavmxEzaY
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 April 2021 12:02 (two years ago) link
Deadline tonight! I didn't say a timezone, but i won't be doing anything with them tonight, so by Monday 7AM Eastern let's say.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 April 2021 12:04 (two years ago) link
Trying to make my list now and errrr this is a lot harder than I thought it would be. I’ve not even considered kmd yet
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 11 April 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link
Should we maybe extend this? I said I’m doing the graphics for it and even I’ve not had time to vote. Ilx has seemed quiet for the past 2 weeks too, maybe we can hopefully get more folks involved with another weeks drive
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 11 April 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link
Are weekends a bad time to end? Maybe Thursday night? Who else could use a bit more time?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 April 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
I could get a ballot in by Thursday
― Heez, Monday, 12 April 2021 13:57 (two years ago) link
Cool. I've heard from others too. We push on to Thursday night.. midnight Pacific. Thanks all.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 12 April 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link
I just saw this and 100% will vote – might need a day tho to marathon some albums.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 April 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link
oops – thursday is great thx!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 April 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link
Sorry, never voted in one of these things before. Do I have to email or can I just post my votes here?
― candyman, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 08:32 (two years ago) link
Email it to the address in the opening post.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 08:38 (two years ago) link
Already feels like ages since I voted. Being lazily Sp*tify-centric these days I neglected to check back on VV2 until afterwards. I'll not be losing tooooo much sleep over it, it turns out.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 08:46 (two years ago) link
apparently he selected the producers for that one via raffle. and it sounds like it!
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 12:13 (two years ago) link
"Back End" is nice though -- with a young Diplo producing? And warns you off buying the record in the first line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lTrzJGjEw
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 13:37 (two years ago) link
I was listening to vintage busta today and thought it was a shame no one tried to pair him with doom. He always sounded best on kinda lo fi ummah or DJ scratch beats and he had his own apocalypse comic book shit going on, it would have been really easy to make up a storyline
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
there was this in 2016 at least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uN139ceB0
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link
a random older track he guests on that one my favs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRGUo4tLjE
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link
THE FINAL (29) HOUR(S) IS HERE FOR THE PEOPLE OF ILX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKDeN198j8M
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
i only just noticed the spottify playlist last night!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 15 April 2021 14:12 (two years ago) link
(i'll be submitting soon tho)
"shame no one tried to pair him with doom. He always sounded best on kinda lo fi ummah or DJ scratch beats"
Idk, rhymes galore, put your hands..., and many other tracks show busta was pretty fabulous, arguable better, on other sorts of beats. Doom on the other hand, was more like nas.
― candyman, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
Doom on the other hand, was more like nas.
?
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link
candyman please email in a ballot. Dying to read that. To your earlier question about posting it on the board, people often do that following the roll-out (which will be on a new thread linked from here in the coming days). Cheers
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link
Xpost, doom and nas are better on less produced boom bap stuff IMO. I mean that jj doom album was cool, but I prefer him on grittier stuff.
― candyman, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link
ah ok. i kinda disagree with that re: doom. i wouldn't call madvillain or mm food "gritty" in the traditional sense. viktor vaughn, sure.
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link
Vikster the slickster tho
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
Umm but uh, he study rhymes and patter-insClimb so steep sometimes the beat don't be mattering
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link
I'd close thread there if i could
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
just sent my nominations. i cant imagine my choices are that different to others tbh (listening back to operation doomsday, i forgot how much i must have listened to it at the time and how many of the songs i remembered so well, really hard to pick standouts) though i did add a top ten doom instrumentals list. madvillainy is overrated a bit i reckon, though i can accept its a good doom album and for people who find his beats a bit idiosyncratic, its prob easier to get into. i really wanted to nominate tick tick feat grimm (white album sample pre dangermouse!) but didnt know where to put it. you need to allow for a mf grimm bonus ballot! grimm and doom were a great duo.
― candyman, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:36 (two years ago) link
You can totally vote for a Grimm produced by DOOM (or anybody else). Revisions before midnight Pacific are fine as well.
I'm liking the top beats list as well. I will probably be able to produce a "herbs" list just out of the vocal versions people voted for. I mentioned maybe doing that in OP but never suggested sending in a herbs list. Though a bunch of people did include instrumentals among their tracks.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
oops that reads backwards. Anybody produced by DOOM is fair game on the tracks ballot, I meant.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
Also, I've replied to all ballots. If you haven't heard back from me, shout at me here.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
ill prob leave it as is but might do a grimm/doom top 10 list as a bonus ballot (argh i might have to find my MIC album too).
― candyman, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:47 (two years ago) link
actually i didnt include the gheedorah album in my album list, just cos it was more of a doom crew rather than doom album, but it is my favourite doom album in terms of his productions.
― candyman, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:49 (two years ago) link
It would be best to slot them into one big tracks ballot along with your instrumental picks. Otherwise it'll just be some input for me doing some stats on instrumentals, and something you could post in the roll-out thread for discussion. Whatever you like tho.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link
yeah Geedorah is tricky to place. Most have though. Slot it in there somewhere if you want to help boost it.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link
I'll just post it here later. Interested to see the results now.
― candyman, Thursday, 15 April 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link
Idk if this is still open but sent a ballot!
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 16 April 2021 08:13 (two years ago) link
I’m not gonna be able to do the graphics until Sunday so maff how do you feel about still taking ballots until saturday?
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 April 2021 08:30 (two years ago) link
ha yes ok. Send them in
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 09:49 (two years ago) link
I'll send one today.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 10:20 (two years ago) link
Cool!Finally did mine last night. Splitting hairs between things i noted 9 and 10 during a slow listen through this whole time. 60 tracks. One other ballot was that long too.So max 60 tracks at this point, so I can go ahead and sort out the points scale soon. Minimum still just 10 tracks. And/or 5 albums. Still no max on albums.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link
I feel bad for pretty much ignoring dangerdoom but n/m
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:19 (two years ago) link
"I wouldn't call madvillain or mm food "gritty" in the traditional sense. viktor vaughn, sure."
Madvillainy isn't gritty? Sure sounds it to me. It has that whole dusty crate digging vibe all over it, to my ears. Partly why I'm not an unconditional maflub fan, sonetimes that dustiness feels a bit uniform.
Mmm food, true, theres more electro samples on there, which gives it a diff vibe and texture. But at this point IIRC producers like 9th wonder were using cleaner sonics too. As a producer I think doom seemed to use a lot of clear loops, but it was the way he triggered the samples that disrupted that smoothness.
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:24 (two years ago) link
The grit was always in his drums though, and the weird slightly drunken lopsided timing was how he triggered those drum tracks too
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:25 (two years ago) link
I want to see if anyone voted for nastradoomus lol
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:26 (two years ago) link
I also pretty much wound up ignoring Danger in the end. 60 tracks just wasn't long enough to really get into that (and I didn't want to go longer than that in the end...cripes).
For all the talk of features and productions and all the nerd stuff that I love so much, you know that 90% of my ballot was from the 99-04 run of albums. So one last appeal to the more casual fans: if you've only heard the big releases, get on in here.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 12:29 (two years ago) link
Still not heard the bishop nehru album but oh well.
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:34 (two years ago) link
xp No one has put Nastradoomus up yet, no. I did say no bootlegs or fan mixed stuff. But did DOOM actually make this one? This is all super fuzzy (if anyone is wondering how there could be no maximum on the albums ballot... it's open for discussion).
I don't think you're missing much on the Nehru but it's a pleasant listen.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 12:39 (two years ago) link
Just in case ppl missed this one-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCqwDQUbvc
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:04 (two years ago) link
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I don't think I've had a reply yet?
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:42 (two years ago) link
Got yours, Gavin, thank you!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:50 (two years ago) link
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link
sent!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link
did i miss the deadline?
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:33 (two years ago) link
Nope, we're open til sometime Saturday.I'll post when we're cut off. all caps.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
We can leave this open most of the day. Excel ain't shit. Get at me, stragglers.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 17 April 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link
CLOSED. Thanks all. Hope to roll out results Monday and Tuesday.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 17 April 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link
every hooker heard of, but now?:https://i.imgur.com/UA6F2OK.pngsource
Blessed be the lord who believe any POLL RESULTS they read up on a message board: ILM Artist Poll #108 - MF DOOM
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 19 April 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
What's your handle? I need a Zantac, ockAnd thanks before I blank into anaphylactic shockRock the discoChocolate on a Crisco ho?Cock diesel, and still tell a joke like Joe PiscipoTell 'em the basicsBasically, break the MatrixAnd just for kicks, make 'em gel like ASICs
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 April 2023 15:25 (eleven months ago) link