"Frampton Comes Alive" - Keep or Return?

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This is what my dad got me for Christmas. He knows I'm into music, so he get me this. He got me "Frampton Comes Alive." *sigh* Dad, dad, dad...

So what do you guys think? Worth keeping and listening to, or send it back to the used rack as quick as I can?

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 26 December 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

do you feel??...

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 26 December 2002 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Greatest live album ever, some say. You're lucky if you've got the 25th anniversary copy. Standout track 'Do you feel like we do'. IMHO. But then you might always be in a good mood and never need cheering up.

Pete Porchos, Monday, 30 December 2002 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Run, don't walk, to your local used CD store and trade that mother in!

William R Henderson (Cabin Essence), Monday, 30 December 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Stop Making Sense better but its a good album none the less. Keep it in case you end up with a classic rock loving gf.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 30 December 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

But dude he can make his guitar, like, talk, man!

Colin Saunders (csaunders), Monday, 30 December 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

"Exqueese me? Have I seen this one before? Frampton Comes Alive? Everybody's got Frampton Comes Alive. If you lived in the suburbs you were issued it. It came in the mail with samples of Tide."

- Wayne Campbell (Mike Myers)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 30 December 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

One reason everybody bought this album when it was originally issued was that it was cheap.

From what I remember of the vinyl version it was has more tracks than the origianl CD issue. On the 25th anniversary edition the missing tracks are replaced and more included, but I haven't heard the 25th anniversary edition.

Pete Porchos, Monday, 30 December 2002 23:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Keep it 'cause there's a glut of this record in every secondhand shop in the world. The most anybody'd give you for it is a quarter.

hstencil, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

What would be more dear to your heart: _Frampton Comes Alive_ or a quarter? A QUESTION FOR THE AGES...

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

A quarter doesn't get you very far in today's economy: just a shitty gumball from the Lions International gumball machine, and the flavor runs out after like 2 minutes of chewing.

hstencil, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Taking sides: _Frampton Comes Alive_ vs a stale gumball

STILL A QUESTION FOR THE AGES.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

a stal gumball or a goodchew from an eatmore.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Is "Show Me the Way" on there? That's actually a pretty decent pop song.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, keep it. Someday it might come in handy, like if you ever have to explain what a Heil Talkbox is to someone.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 02:34 (twenty-three years ago)

'Show me the way' is on this album.

Pete Porchos, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

all i want to be is by your side, that's the cut. i only recently got my copy of FCA. i was too embarrassed for a long time to buy it

ron (ron), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 04:23 (twenty-three years ago)

So, is a 'Heil Talkbox' the thing he used on 'Show me the way'? He puts a thing like a hosepipe in his mouth and talks while playing the notes on guitar.

Pete Porchos, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 04:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, unless another company made talkboxes back then, and I think I would know, having a guitar-gear crazy dad who's been into it since the Beatles played Ed Sullivan.

You see, the box is in the line between the guitar and the amp, and he puts the hosepipe in his mouth, the sound of the guitar comes out of the hose, bounces around inside his mouth, and comes out into the mic in front of his face which goes to the PA.

Danelectro recently put out a talkbox that has a mini-microphone in the tube, so you don't need a mic & PA, just a guitar, 2 cables and an amp.

One of my favorite talkbox memories was the Ween show in cleveland 99, when Deaner was talkboxing the phrase "Kill Whitey", and then I guess he got too close to the mic that the vinyl tube was attatched to/sticking off of, and then he choked, recoiled, and came back to the other mic and said "Fuck man, I almost threw up there". I love Ween.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 04:55 (twenty-three years ago)

ALternate thread title: which is the most bloated bombastic double-live album featuring Peter Frampton: 'Comes Alive' or 'Humble Pie Rockin' the Fillmore'?

24 minutes of "Walk on Gilded Splinters"?! Sweet mother of mercy...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 05:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I want you to Show J the waaay.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 06:06 (twenty-three years ago)

he should have said it into the talk box!

ron (ron), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 07:46 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven years pass...

Had no idea this was recorded inside theaters and arenas. Ruins my whole vision of it at as an outdoor summer jam, beach balls bouncing in the moonlight.

pplains, Thursday, 12 June 2014 14:01 (twelve years ago)

Listened to this interview with Alec Baldwin recently - good one:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/222659-peter-frampton/

did click through tho on the money (Eazy), Thursday, 12 June 2014 14:12 (twelve years ago)

great album

the late great, Thursday, 12 June 2014 20:22 (twelve years ago)

four years pass...

He wasn't a great singer, was he? It actually seems like a p exceptional case that an album by a good guitarist/meh singer could have been as popular as this.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Friday, 21 September 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)

yeah but he had the talk box

President Keyes, Friday, 21 September 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

You kind of had to be there, and even then it was kind of hard to fathom his massive popularity at the time. I *was* there, and the J. Geils band blew him off the stage. Very much like this account!

https://www.magicalmomentphotos.com/j-geils-band-geils-band-foghat-upstage-frampton/

Freddy "Boom Boom" QAnon (Dan Peterson), Friday, 21 September 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

two years pass...

I have yet to wrap my head around the phenomenon of this album. So dude follows four solo albums that didn't get much traction with a double live at a reduced price and that's the one that turns into one of the biggest albums of all time? It's weird. Like the audience freaking out to the opening notes of 'Do You Feel Like We Do' as if the song was already some massive hit. I don't understand! Explain it to me!

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:09 (five years ago)

After the lack of success of his "Camel," Frampton performed under his own name and began touring the United States extensively for the next two years, supporting acts such as The J. Geils Band and ZZ Top, as well as performing his own shows at smaller venues. As a result, he developed a strong live following while his albums sold moderately and his singles failed to chart. "Do You Feel Like We Do" became the closing number of his set and one of the highlights of his show.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:54 (five years ago)

it was a joke that 14 million people were in on

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:55 (five years ago)

feel like he was another one of these 70s equivalents to DMB or something, quietly becoming really huge among teens/college kids based on live shows. like that snippet says i guess. it IS a weird phenomenon, esp combined with like, the cheesy title and the fairly unlabored-over cover, which all feels like a throwaway release to have something to sell at shows, and yet they're releasing a double live album for a not-super-huge name.

also one of those albums where every single vinyl copy i have ever seen has a faded, worn out looking sleeve, as if ring wear was a special process applied at the factory.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:59 (five years ago)

"Exqueese me? Have I seen this one before? "Frampton Comes Alive"? Everybody in the world has Frampton Comes Alive. If you lived in the suburbs you were issued it. It came in the mail with samples of "Tide""

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:01 (five years ago)

The double album was released in the US with a special reduced list price of $7.98, only $1.00 more than the standard $6.98 of most single-disc albums in 1976.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:20 (five years ago)

I have yet to wrap my head around the phenomenon of this album. So dude follows four solo albums that didn't get much traction with a double live at a reduced price and that's the one that turns into one of the biggest albums of all time? It's weird. Like the audience freaking out to the opening notes of 'Do You Feel Like We Do' as if the song was already some massive hit. I don't understand! Explain it to me!

― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch),

Ultimately, sales phenomena are unexplainable. How did Hootie become so massive in 1995?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:22 (five years ago)

Whatever the Friends friends are into, I'm into too

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:24 (five years ago)

xpost too much whiskey prior to show time

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:25 (five years ago)

I have yet to wrap my head around the phenomenon of this album.

I was there, I bought it (I was 15, I think), and I can't explain it (beyond the cult for live-doubles at the time). Payola was still a big thing at the time, I think--maybe that factored in.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:27 (five years ago)

Plus the Lester Bangs Rule: tasty licks and all that Traffic twaddle.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:29 (five years ago)

At FCA's level of sales, payola ceases to matter at some point (see: Rumours, Saturday Night Fever, Thriller).

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:30 (five years ago)

with no easy way to sample music back then and word of mouth and print recommendations being more of a thing, once something got into the zeitgeist, zoooooom. add a cult following that enjoyed his live shows and wants to recapture the magic of said live show, I guess that explains it.

also dude was in Humble Pie, maybe that helped get him some attention

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:32 (five years ago)

his s/t solo album also went Gold, so he wasn't exactly popular but he wasn't invisible prior to the live album, either

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:33 (five years ago)

I think it got certified after FCA iirc

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:35 (five years ago)

payola doesn’t explain why the rest of the western world would follow suit

one factor I’ve not seen mentioned on this thread that Frampton was considered a hottie for the ages and He Was In You

ten man poland chasing this means hamsik feasts (breastcrawl), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:37 (five years ago)

I did consider the Humble Pie factor but I didn't get the sense that they were particularly huge themselves.

Responses have been very illuminating, and I thank u all.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:40 (five years ago)

Bowie discusses his history with Frampton here, specifically the tradition in which Frampton plays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhaRvqI0nHk

(he also, typically, makes Never Let Me Down sound juicier than it is, should you listen to the rest).

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:42 (five years ago)

Christgau's review might shed some light: "All right, Peter, you've made your point--tour enough and smile enough and the tunes sink in. I'll rate your fucking album--it's been in the top five all year."

So maybe he's a version of the Grateful Dead, with an audience built up through non-stop touring. Again, I'm just guessing. If I could remember why I bought it, that would probably help.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:42 (five years ago)

also he used talkbox and people thought when he made the guitar say "I want to thank you" that it said "I want to spank you"

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:42 (five years ago)

Some good background here:

An Exclusive Oral History of 'Frampton Comes Alive!'

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:46 (five years ago)

I've never actually listened to this record

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:01 (five years ago)

It's not bad, though I don't listen all the way through that much. I was puzzling over the phenomenon a couple of days ago too.

I'm in You was after this, right?

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:18 (five years ago)

and his exposed chest

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:20 (five years ago)

Haven't read the oral history yet, and it probably covers this, but manager Dee Anthony's strategy was to keep bands on the road constantly, while still putting out studio records, and then cashing in with a live double. It worked decently for Humble Pie (Performance: Rockin' The Fillmore), worked even better for Joe Cocker (Mad Dogs & Englishmen is his highest-charting album in the US), and worked unbelievably well for Frampton. Dee Anthony was also a thief with ties to organized crime who left the members of Humble Pie near-broke. When Steve Marriott went to Anthony demanding his money, Anthony brought Marriott to a meeting with John Gotti and other mobsters and told Marriott to drop it.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:34 (five years ago)

the success of this album completely wrecked him though, as he rushed into his next album and even though it went platinum, it was considered this huge disappointment.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:35 (five years ago)

This is kinda neat -- one of the shows on FCA is from a small town in way upstate NY (about 30 miles from the Canadian border):

https://www.vpr.org/post/40-years-after-frampton-comes-alive-recalling-concert-recorded-plattsburgh#stream/0

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:38 (five years ago)

Yeah, that was another fucked up thing about Dee Anthony: the idea of giving an artist a break for rest was anathema to him. Frampton barely completed I'm In You, did the Sgt. Pepper movie around the same time (I think?), and was done, career-wise.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:39 (five years ago)

Tangentially related, but...Frampton Plays Monk!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZyB7C6AB8Q

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:41 (five years ago)

I dig Frampton’s Camel from ‘73. That record made the rounds in my dad’s circle at the time... Haven’t actually heard alive

brimstead, Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:55 (five years ago)

I think it was the height of FM hard rock radio, so big it spawned a sitcom. Add in some payola and Tiger Beat magazine and Frampton got huge.

1976 was when quite a few bands busted out that were a few records into their career.

Kiss 'Kiss Alive' (came out Sep 75)
Aerosmith -got huge & Dream On came back on charts to top 10 in '76
Bob Seger - Live Bullet/Night Moves
Rush '2112'

FM radio was at height of payola, but the format was open enough that you had DJs that would get into a record and they would catch on.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:15 (five years ago)

'Do You Feel Like I Do' was like some other epic tunes that the DJ could go the john or smoke a cigarette or do a bump while it was playing it was such a long cut.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:17 (five years ago)

KISS benefited from payola for sure.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:31 (five years ago)

I think it was the height of FM hard rock radio, so big it spawned a sitcom.


I spent a little too long trying to figure out which '70s sitcom was adapted from Frampton Comes Alive before realizing what you were actually referring to.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:34 (five years ago)

^^Room 222, iirc.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:35 (five years ago)

Timing I'm about to read far too much into, but: Frampton's record came out in early '76, Boston's a few months later. Meanwhile, disco and punk (less so) are starting to make news. Maybe Frampton and--Chuck Eddy would hate this formulation--Boston were a safe haven of sorts from those two things on the horizon. (Now I'll shoot that down myself: at 15, I didn't know the first thing about punk, and I did not, at all, hate disco.)

clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:39 (five years ago)

No I agree, similarly Boston were an apotheosis of a certain strain of 70s rock goodtimes, like there was just nowhere for the form to go from there, very much the end of a “thing”...

brimstead, Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:13 (five years ago)

Dazed and Confused being set in 1976, with the soundtrack that it has, also surely reflects this at some level.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 01:14 (five years ago)

curious how much of the old Classic Rock Canon is post-76 actually. styx, rush, foreigner, tom petty for sure, and the handful of new wave acts like the Police that got partially assimilated at some point. but i think *most* of the other big acts for the format had done *most* of their most essential work *for* the format by '76 or '77 at the latest. or put another way it seems like relatively fewer AOR releases from after that point got locked into the canon, or the format was less willing to follow new stylistic directions for some of these acts, etc.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 01:25 (five years ago)

.38 Special?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 01:33 (five years ago)

i always forget them... never been grabbed by any of their songs. maybe a perfect fit for the "the gas was out of the tank for that type of rock" narrative actually.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 01:55 (five years ago)

"Caught Up in You" is one of the glories of the Western world!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 01:56 (five years ago)

Billy Squier, John Mellencamp (especially) -- huge on album rock radio

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 01:56 (five years ago)

Caught Up in You is classic

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:04 (five years ago)

zzzzzzzz

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:23 (five years ago)

(directed at .38 Zzzzspecial, not y'all)

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:23 (five years ago)

or this pearl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBPuzjZ8Dc0

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:25 (five years ago)

(directed at .38 Zzzzspecial, not y'all)

>:-(

eisimpleir (crüt), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:27 (five years ago)

Dire Straits' first album was '78

eisimpleir (crüt), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:28 (five years ago)

I mean, the first couple years when Billboard started keeping track of the stuff are pretty good.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:28 (five years ago)

XP So was the first Van Halen.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:35 (five years ago)

SiriusXM's Classic Rewind station is all canonical post-'76 Classic Rock.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:39 (five years ago)

Self-XP And the first Cars!

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 June 2021 02:41 (five years ago)

38 special aside, post 76 classic rock loses the facial hair and maybe any kind of semblance of marijuana?

brimstead, Friday, 18 June 2021 03:07 (five years ago)

Rundgren’s bang on a drum a late addition?
Also F Mac and ZZ Top?

calstars, Friday, 18 June 2021 03:09 (five years ago)

bang on the drum is classic nothing

brimstead, Friday, 18 June 2021 03:24 (five years ago)

zz’s first greatest hits album came out in 77

Fleetwood Mac are kinda not of this realm

brimstead, Friday, 18 June 2021 03:27 (five years ago)

(1980 but) Loverboy!

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 June 2021 03:27 (five years ago)

I get the feeling that in the 70s, concert-going was more of a casual act that didn't require a big investment in particular artists. Tickets were cheaper, even taking inflation into account, so if Frampton was a name that people recalled vaguely, and he played often and widely enough, kids would go and see him even without a hit record or radio play. From the crowd noise on the record (which could be faked, as Kiss did), enough people were seeing the shows BEFORE the live album came out.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 18 June 2021 03:28 (five years ago)

Bad Company are the bridge between early- and late-era Classic Rock.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 18 June 2021 03:30 (five years ago)

$4.00 — the top ticket price for Frampton’s Plattsburgh, NY show — in 1975 would be around $20 today. But also in 1975 you could only see artists live or on a brief late night TV appearance, and that was it (and if you missed Midnight Special, you missed it; no widespread VCR usage yet). So if someone like Frampton came to town, tickets were cheap enough that yeah, you’d go see him even if you only knew a couple of his songs from the radio. And I’m sure one reason playing college campuses in places like Plattsburgh, NY was lucrative was because what else are kids gonna do that night? There might be one movie theater in town, so you could spend $1 to see some disaster movie, or spend $2 - $4 to see Frampton.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 June 2021 07:25 (five years ago)

i saw this tour! so maybe i'm a good test case? here's why i went: my local radio station, WLIR, broadcast concerts every tuesday evening from their studio, with a small invited audience. i tuned in when they had frampton on and recorded it on my little portable. for whatever reason, i fell in love with that tape. friendly persona, jammin' tunes, sweet guitar work, who knows. so when i saw the listing for his show at the calderone concert hall (july 11, 1975, you can look it up), i enticed a friend to go with me and i guess i enticed my dad to drive us there. (thanks, dad.) it was a really good show from what i recall. i never would have predicted the success of the subsequent live album, but then again, why not? i don't think any of the material was taken from the show i saw, though they did use songs from another long island show on the same tour (commack arena).

the WLIR broadcast is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZmlXaV1jAI

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 June 2021 09:22 (five years ago)

fantastic firsthand info!!

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 11:30 (five years ago)

"Friendly persona"--I think that's the single biggest factor of all. There were other people that had that, of course, but for whatever reason, with Frampton it combined with other factors and created a perfect storm.

clemenza, Friday, 18 June 2021 11:53 (five years ago)

This is a great thread/subthread -- I had also always wondered why there was this one live song from this one live album that was played on classic radio all the fucking time when that artist didn't seem to have any studio singles that were ever played on the radio. Also I hated it very very much as a kid, and also Boston. Now I'm kind of indifferent to Frampton but still hate Boston. I like some of the material on Humble Pie Live at the Fillmore.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 June 2021 12:22 (five years ago)

Yeah, this thread is a real testament to the power and the majesty of the ILX/ILM braintrust.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 June 2021 12:52 (five years ago)

"Friendly persona"--I think that's the single biggest factor of all. There were other people that had that, of course, but for whatever reason, with Frampton it combined with other factors and created a perfect storm.

― clemenza

Yeah, this helped. That oral history linked above mentions what a charmer Frampton was -- he had no enemies.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 12:59 (five years ago)

there was even something friendly about his guitar solos -- lots of major scales showing up. is pentatonic the right word? if so it has a much different feel in his work than, say, the allman brothers or whatever. i'm sure he picked up a lot of his tricks from jazz soloists, but it impressed my teenaged self. even that he could sing the notes he was playing. he seemed to have an active mind.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 June 2021 13:00 (five years ago)

Bowie, as noted above, was very much enamored of his style of playing: 'an English R&B thing.'

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 13:02 (five years ago)

man alive, i'm curious which of the songs you have in mind! i think of it has having three - "baby i love your way," "do you feel like we do," and "show me the way." I always preferred the latter two for all the talkbox antics and energy level; DYFLWD is one of the rare lonnnng radio cuts that i'll never switch the channel on. also the one where the live sound and crowd stuff adds the most sense of space and atmosphere. like i guess it could be a daytime festival type performance, but it really SOUNDS like nighttime, maybe even a little chill in the air.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 13:09 (five years ago)

Thus Sang Freud, thanks for posting that link -- this is a fun show! I'm getting a clearer idea of what he brought to Humble Pie as a songwriter, too -- lots of moments here remind me of things on As Safe As Yesterday Is and (especially) Town and Country.

Regarding his soloing, I hear a neo-modal approach, and a...cleanliness of thought, if that makes any sense. He never sounds distracted, he's not playing anything just to show off his facility, and there aren't any moments of "I'm just gonna sit on this one riff until I figure out what to play next."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 June 2021 15:08 (five years ago)

i've been enjoying listening back to it too. wlir is known for having broken the new wave format -- there was even a recent documentary -- but they were great before that too. those ultrasonic studio concerts are worth tracking down. some have been officially released -- big star, maybe the lou reed, maybe the dr. john and little feat. but there are a whole bunch of them out there -- incredible string band, holy modal rounders, gentle giant, fleetwood mac, jo jo gunne, tower of power, bonnie raitt, taj mahal...all very intimate.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 June 2021 15:33 (five years ago)

man alive, i'm curious which of the songs you have in mind! i think of it has having three - "baby i love your way," "do you feel like we do," and "show me the way." I always preferred the latter two for all the talkbox antics and energy level; DYFLWD is one of the rare lonnnng radio cuts that i'll never switch the channel on. also the one where the live sound and crowd stuff adds the most sense of space and atmosphere. like i guess it could be a daytime festival type performance, but it really SOUNDS like nighttime, maybe even a little chill in the air.

― Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, June 18, 2021 8:09 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sorry I was thinking of Do You Feel Like We Do, although certainly I did hear the other two on the radio as well. I guess DYFLWD just stuck out to me as being especially live sounding with that talkbox jam in the middle (which I detested but now find harmless).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:03 (five years ago)

payola doesn’t explain why the rest of the western world would follow suit

It didn't though.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:11 (five years ago)

Seems like it did (outside the UK), based on this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frampton_Comes_Alive!#Chart_positions

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:14 (five years ago)

Got to No. 1 in Australia and Canada - and Portugal, for some reason - but never got higher than No. 6 in the UK.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:14 (five years ago)

I know Canada is a much smaller market but it sold 50,000 in Canada as opposed to 8 million in the US.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:16 (five years ago)

It was top 10 across much of Europe but if #1 is the standard, just three countries, I guess.xp

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:16 (five years ago)

It was a record that sold well but there's little doubt that was overwhlemingly a US phenomenon.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:19 (five years ago)

Huh, yeah, checked the Music Canada database: it only ever went gold in Canada. The first Boston album was 5x platinum by 1979. This is reflected in their comparative presence on the radio tbf.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:19 (five years ago)

"Frampton Comes Alive" was octuple platinum in the US!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:20 (five years ago)

When you reach that stage you might think about inviting a new category of disc - Dilithium maybe.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:22 (five years ago)

Crime of the Century was 8x platinum in Canada by 1979.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:24 (five years ago)

Another thing:

Bob Mayo – rhythm guitar, piano, Fender Rhodes electric piano, Hammond organ, vocals
Stanley Sheldon – bass guitar, vocals
John Siomos – drums

... never heard of any of these guys.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:28 (five years ago)

10x platinum = diamond btw

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 18 June 2021 16:32 (five years ago)

“On the bass…Bob Mayo…he wrote this”

calstars, Friday, 18 June 2021 16:35 (five years ago)

Focusing my fading memory a bit, I think I was led to Frampton Comes Alive from Kiss Alive to a degree; I probably just thought "live albums, good."

clemenza, Friday, 18 June 2021 17:49 (five years ago)

bob mayo, on the keyboards, bob mayo

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 18 June 2021 19:20 (five years ago)

Bob Mayo emulsified into trace amounts of oil and egg on stage
It happens all the time , it’s just not widely reported

calstars, Friday, 18 June 2021 19:23 (five years ago)

Bob Mayo's been a player on Hall & Oates recordings; he's not unfamiliar.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 June 2021 19:26 (five years ago)

i've been enjoying listening back to it too. wlir is known for having broken the new wave format -- there was even a recent documentary -- but they were great before that too. those ultrasonic studio concerts are worth tracking down. some have been officially released -- big star, maybe the lou reed, maybe the dr. john and little feat. but there are a whole bunch of them out there -- incredible string band, holy modal rounders, gentle giant, fleetwood mac, jo jo gunne, tower of power, bonnie raitt, taj mahal...all very intimate.

― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, June 18, 2021 11:33 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The Little Feat live from Ultrasonic Studios is all-time.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Friday, 18 June 2021 20:14 (five years ago)

^

calstars, Friday, 18 June 2021 20:30 (five years ago)

looking him up, bob mayo was briefly in rat race choir, a big presence on the east coast club circuit back in the day along with twisted sister etc. he died in '04 of a heart attack while touring with frampton.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 June 2021 21:05 (five years ago)

Frampton comes unalive

calstars, Friday, 18 June 2021 22:16 (five years ago)

Frampton also was able to appeal to both the teenyboppers and the He Can Really Play Guitar audience.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 18 June 2021 23:12 (five years ago)

Not sure about play guitar angle .. he’s no steve lukathar or Lee rit

ncxkd, Friday, 18 June 2021 23:18 (five years ago)

looking him up, bob mayo was briefly in rat race choir

Fun fact: Rat Race Choir was the backing band for John Entwistle on some of his ‘80s US tours, and Frampton played on Entwistle’s Whistle Rymes album in 1972. It’s all a rich tapestry.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 June 2021 23:40 (five years ago)

i also saw john entwistle's ox at the calderone concert hall, fwiw. 3/16/75. a few months before frampton. i remember it was very loud, and sort of a short set.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 June 2021 23:44 (five years ago)

Was Entwistle headlining that show? Most of his 1975 US tour dates, which he lost tens of thousands of dollars on, were opening for Humble Pie or the J. Geils Band.

(His ‘80s-‘00s US tours drained him financially. He didn’t care; he just wanted to play, and he knew that the next Who tour would bail him out.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 June 2021 23:54 (five years ago)

yes, he was headlining. i don't remember if there was an opening act. the whole thing sort of felt like an afterthought. if i remember right, they closed off the balcony, and even the orchestra seats were sparsely filled. of course that meant that my group was able to move up close. it was fun, and rocking, but...short.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 June 2021 23:59 (five years ago)

there are ads for it here: http://www.thewho.info/proads16.htm

maybe his band had to clear out early because it looks like the barker-gurvitz army was playing a 10:30 show that same night. https://www.ebay.com/itm/313488548041?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:09 (five years ago)

baker

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:16 (five years ago)

i wish Sandy were on this thread, feel like she could help parse out some more of the finer-grained sociology of Frampton listenership.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:24 (five years ago)

I did the incognito thing and found Cameron Crowe's RS piece from April '76:

“Sweet guy”...“nice kid”...nobody has anything bad to say about Peter Frampton. He is extremely easy to like. An already endearing personality combined with the automatic courtesy that comes with all the second-billed years on the road have made him expertly charming. In conversation he remains light and breezy, but his personal life comes out in the albums. “I write about what happens to me,” he says. “It’s all there. I couldn’t do it any other way.” Wind of Change, for example, was a pleasant slice of life from the time of his first marriage. Frampton’s Camel was a depressing look at the marital breakup. Somethin’s Happening marked the arrival of his current girlfriend, Penny, and Frampton was a joyous testimony to their success together.

Before the now platinum Frampton Comes Alive!, none of his albums had gone beyond the 200,000 sales mark. Why the sudden fever? Peter isn’t about to question his explosion to the top: “Dylan, Chicago, Paul Simon...and me?” Rather, he shrugs in wonder. “I’ve figured it out,” he laughs. “There’s no way anybody could like that album and hate my guitar playing. That takes care of a lot of my insecurities. I’ve always wanted to be the best guitarist in the world, ever since I was eight years old. Ever since I saw Buddy Holly and the Everly Brothers and...anybody else with a Stratocaster. But between you and me, I’ll settle for just being listened to.”

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:51 (five years ago)

And this:

Frampton Comes Alive! was originally meant to be another single album. “I was told to keep it to a one-record package,” Frampton recalls, “’cause the day of the double live album is gone. I agreed, you know. So I mixed and cut together the whole thing, with ‘Lines on my Face’ and ‘Do You Feel’ on one side and ‘All I Want to Be,’ ‘Something’s Happening,’ ‘It’s a Plain Shame’ and ‘Jumping Jack Flash’ on the other. That’s all.

Gone? Seems to me it was just beginning--I suspect you could list 100 double-lives from the second half of the decade. Although maybe it was dying and then record companies took a look at Frampton's album.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:56 (five years ago)

This says far more about me than Frampton Comes Alive: I did not, when I bought it at 15, think I'd be sitting in front of little screen at the age of 59--much less on a Friday night--trying to figure out why it was so popular.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:00 (five years ago)

clemenza, I think you have the opening and closing scenes of an autobiography there.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:08 (five years ago)

We're Up All Night Trying To Figure Out If Frampton Comes Alive Was Destined To Be Popular, Or Did He Just Get Lucky?

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:27 (five years ago)

Remembrance of Things Frampton

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:29 (five years ago)

Gone? Seems to me it was just beginning--I suspect you could list 100 double-lives from the second half of the decade. Although maybe it was dying and then record companies took a look at Frampton's album.

I think they may have been on the way out, but then the triple-whammy of Frampton, Alive!, and Live Bullet (all career makers too), brought 'em back.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:34 (five years ago)

Yeah, as soon as I typed that, I realized Frampton himself was the answer. Did the first wave of double-lives start with Live Dead?

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:40 (five years ago)

The internet is not answering that question for me...had to have been the first.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:46 (five years ago)

Yeah, Live/Dead in '69, then the Woodstock soundtracks in '70 & '71, Mad Dogs & Englishmen in '70, Allmans at the Fillmore in '71...

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 June 2021 02:03 (five years ago)

Live/Dead probably was first — all live non-jazz/non-classical albums at that point were single LPs — Live At The Apollo, The Live Kinks, Johnny Cash At Folsom Prison, B.B. King’s Live At The Regal — mostly because those artists rarely played (or were allowed/had the opportunity to play) a live set longer than 40 minutes or so. The Dead obviously played far longer sets than many acts.

And even after Live/Dead, many of the iconic late ‘60s/early ‘70s live albums — Live At Leeds, Get Yer Ya-Yas Out!, Band Of Gypsys — were all singles from bands whose sets were often longer than double-LP length.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 June 2021 02:05 (five years ago)

Just remembered too that Absolutely Live by The Doors from '70 was a double. Like alot of the early Rock double lives, it had a number of exclusive/expanded tracks.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:02 (five years ago)

4 Way Street must have been one of the first.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:10 (five years ago)

The Little Feat live from Ultrasonic Studios is all-time.


Okay, thread pays off once again because I've only just recently started listening to Little Feat and have fallen hard and I didn't even know that album was a thing, so thank u.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:18 (five years ago)

live adventures of bloomfield/kooper was jan 69 so pre-live/dead (tho does have some tangential dead connections)

no lime tangier, Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:30 (five years ago)

also yes to the little feat tip!

no lime tangier, Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:31 (five years ago)

Wow, you're right--many months ahead of Live/Dead. Yet the Wikipedia entry doesn't even mention it as the first. Either an oversight, or there's something else earlier.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:34 (five years ago)

Guess this doesn’t really count?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Famous_1938_Carnegie_Hall_Jazz_Concert

search term: buttrock (morrisp), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:34 (five years ago)

JAZZ

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:36 (five years ago)

I had not twigged to this 70s double live thing before. Gives the title of the Butthole Surfers 'Double Live' official bootleg some context which I would not have considered before.

ringworm, Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:38 (five years ago)

It’s known as The Foghat Principle (at 1:24):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgpQBaziy0

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 June 2021 08:13 (five years ago)

Solid rule.

ringworm, Saturday, 19 June 2021 08:17 (five years ago)

The Little Feat live from Ultrasonic Studios is all-time.

they actually did two shows there, in '73 and '74. also worth a listen: Bonnie Raitt with Lowell George & John Hammond Ultrasonic Studios, Hempstead, NY October17,1972

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 19 June 2021 10:38 (five years ago)

I had not twigged to this 70s double live thing before. Gives the title of the Butthole Surfers 'Double Live' official bootleg some context which I would not have considered before.

― ringworm, Saturday, June 19, 2021 5:38 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I thought that was like an understood given. maybe less visible if you're coming from much later or something.
But yeah did seem to be something that was a near standard thing for early 70s hard rock bands and presumably others.

I thought the mid 70s might be the milieu it was characteristic of too. Interesting if the fading arc was interrupted by a chance reignition in a double lp that could have been a single becoming popular outside of other trends.

Stevolende, Saturday, 19 June 2021 11:29 (five years ago)

Yes, the double live album is such a 70s cliche, usually released when bands had run out of new material or needed a break from the one album a year treadmill.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 11:33 (five years ago)

Hard to imagine that without FCA, Jimmy Buffett might never have released "You had to be there."

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 19 June 2021 11:36 (five years ago)

At one point I thought about putting together a book proposal for something like The 101 Greatest Seventies Live Albums (with extra space devoted to triples like Yessongs and the ELP one and Santana's Lotus).

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 19 June 2021 12:26 (five years ago)

I have never heard Frampton Comes Alive!, ftr.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 19 June 2021 12:29 (five years ago)

Neither have I, but I'm not American!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 12:30 (five years ago)

you haven't lived until Frampton has

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 19 June 2021 12:31 (five years ago)

35 years ago, for a defunct Canadian magazine, a friend and I did a piece on stage patter that was dominated by '70s double-lives. Kiss Alive!, of course, was the Citizen Kane of stage patter, though someone else might argue for Take No Prisoners. (Can't remember if there's much patter on Frampton Comes Alive. I don't think we quoted anything--probably good-guy innocuous, if there is.) It'd take some box moving to retrieve the piece, but from memory, one of my favourite bits was from a Thor live album (a single, I think):

"Anyone out there read Kerrang!? (no response)...Kerrang!? (no response)...Anyway..."

clemenza, Saturday, 19 June 2021 12:42 (five years ago)

hahahah

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 19 June 2021 12:56 (five years ago)

The Little Feat live from Ultrasonic Studios is all-time.

they actually did two shows there, in '73 and '74. also worth a listen: Bonnie Raitt with Lowell George & John Hammond Ultrasonic Studios, Hempstead, NY October17,1972

― Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, June 19, 2021 6:38 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I didn't realize this. The one I know is from 1973 and opens with the dedication of Apolitical Blues to Chairman Mo Astin. I always loved that joke.

I will have to find the 1974 show.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Saturday, 19 June 2021 13:05 (five years ago)

I misspoke; I dug through my Twitter archives and it turns out I listened to Frampton Comes Alive! in 2019. But I have absolutely no memory of that, so I'm listening to it again this morning.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 19 June 2021 13:14 (five years ago)

The only track that stood out to me on this record was a bonus, "Nowhere's Too Far For My Baby".

UFO's Strangers in the Night and Neil Young's Live Rust, both 1979, seem like the last iconic rock double live albums of that era. Something like The Name of This Band is Talking Heads is already a different world.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 19 June 2021 13:47 (five years ago)

Oh wow, I was going to mention "Strangers in the Night" earlier!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 13:48 (five years ago)

It's one of those live records that's more acclaimed than any of the band's studio albums.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 19 June 2021 13:49 (five years ago)

These were also really popular live records too.

DP's - Live in Japan
Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East (their first Platinum record but not a double)

The one surprisingly not mentioned yet and filed in getting big in Japan and then released to US/UK...

Cheap Trick - Live at Budokan

It is one like Frampton's where the live versions are the more known version of song rather than the studio take. It was the album the broke them in the US. Not a double LP though...

earlnash, Saturday, 19 June 2021 14:20 (five years ago)

I don't really know the lp but do know Frampto0n from the Herd and Humble Pie.
Face of 68 too.
I probably heard it in the wake of Dinosaur Jr covering Show Me The Way though.
& I think I have a few live sets by him and various backing bands on various hard drives. Frampton's camel among them. Probably mostly early 70s though. But nothing I know well enough to sing a song from its title. Apart from Show Me teh Way I think.

Stevolende, Saturday, 19 June 2021 14:28 (five years ago)


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