TS: Linkin Park Vs Dave Matthews Band

However, if you're planning a concert to meet college-age and post-grad ladeez, you might wanna look into DMB. (Similarly if you want to score some hemp clothing.) Whereas Linkin Park is gonna be an underage crowd, and largely boyz.

I'd pick DMB cause I've learnt to block them out and dont notice them, like shopping mall muzak. Linkin Park can still break through my aura.

DMB had an (appalling) remix of "The Space Between" done by DJ Tiesto.

Next, Seb Fontaine starts a "TS: Flaming Lips vs. Ryan Adams" thread.

We're all evil jealous motherfuckers. Yup.

But the reason I started typing was to inform you all of an article I saw in Billboard. The new Linkin Park CD is going to be $19.97 SRP. 19.97! Unbelievable. According to the article, though, it does come with some software included so you can MAKE YOUR OWN LINKIN PARK FAN SITE. [????]

Wow. Talk about value added.

hhmmmm... how much of them have you heard?

That said, rare is the individual that cannot find a song or two from their 100+ song catalog that they don't like. The instrumental "#34" is quite lovely. The song "Everyday" is difficult not to find endearing. "Halloween," from "Before These Crowded Streets," is a lyrically-intense semi-opratic song that it would be difficult to fail to at least appreciate. It would be a challenge to listen to "Two Step" -- particularly from a live album -- and not be picked up by its infectious beat. No doubt, some have managed, but songs such as these tend to make new listeners out of even the most jaded stereotype-laden would-be fan.

I have never heard Linkin Park, and I've heard their name perhaps twice, ever, so I don't feel that I'm fit to render any sort of a judgement here. I can say with some confidence, however, that few people will remember Linkin Park in a decade; Dave Matthews Band, on the other hand, has been playing together for over a decade now.

False.

But, the DMB are just so *BORING* I can't stand it.

As some have mentioned, if all you know of DMB is the radio singles, you're missing out. i love this band. i love most of the singles too (except a couple;) but all of my favorites were never singles...and it is all better live. (some of my favs that i recommend giving a listen are: Jimi Thing, #41, Warehouse, Recently, Halloween, Pig, Everyday, What You Are, Tripping Billies, etc etc...i could go on!!) each song has such meaning behind it, it's just so beautifully written. Each band member is extraordinarily talented, and what i think makes the band so great (well, one of the things) is that you have five uniquely different people, from different musical backgrounds and trainings, blending into one unique sound...even if you're not a huge fan you've got to admit that they're original and definitely not cookie-cutter.

all that said, everyone's entitled to their own musical opinion...i just feel bad for anyone who's missing out on this amazing music from this amazing band...

shoot and kill me now, if these clowns are the only choices.

If it'll make you feel any better, I don't feel bad about you in turn it all. In fact, I don't need your pity. In fact, leave me alone and think about something else. Thank you.

I heard a Pet Shop Boys song on the radio and was struck by how much it made me think of LP.

"Satellite dish in my yard
Tell me more, tell me more
Who's the king of your satellite castle?"

yaunk?

Linkin Park fans will grow up; DMB fans will always be huge asshats.

This isn't necessarily a compliment.

Things I've experienced that have been better than Dave Matthews Band:

- Disneyland
- Seeing "Wierd Al" Yankovic live
- Seeing The Monkees live
- German camp
- journalism camp
- graduating from high school
- living in Germany for a summer
- seeing 808 State live
- seeing Meat Beat Manifesto live
- seeing The Cure live
- seeing Prince live
- seeing Smashing Pumpkins live
- seeing Red Tomato live (aka the proto-White Stripes)
- seeing The Clientele live
- seeing Depeche Mode live
- seeing Curve live
- seeing Orbital live
- seeing The Orb live
- Seeing De La Soul live
- Seeing Poem-Cees live
- seeing Lamb live
- seeing The Sneaker Pimps live
- singing with Martina McBride, The Chieftans, Christine Goerke, Ian Bostridge, Thomas Quasthoff, Rene Papp, Renee Fleming, Paul Plishka, Tony Dean Griffy, Hei-Kyong Hong, Dawn Upshaw, Kelly Kaduce, Renese King, Florance Quivar, Dominique Labelle and Cynthia Haymond
- Singing under the direction of Seiji Ozawa, Bernard Haitink, John Levine, James Conlon, Andre Previn, Raphael Fruehbeck de Burgos, Keith Lockhart, John Williams and Sir John Wilcox
- graduating from college
- getting a job offer from a company I really wanted to work for
- Seeing "Cats" in London
- Singing in Westminister Abbey, St. George's at Windsor Castle, Ely Cathedral, Clare College, King's College, Emmanuel College, New College, Royal Albert Hall, Conzertgebauw, the big concert hall in Edinburgh, the big concert hall in Luebbeck, the big concert hall in Luzern, every major concert hall in Japan, the royal concert hall in Taipei, the big concert halls in Seoul and Kwangju, Symphony Hall in Boston, Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center, Kennedy Center, and the Ordway
- getting married
- buying a condo
- Six Flags Great Adventure
- King's Dominion

This list is incomplete.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. But I've seen DMB in concert 5 times and never did they give me the "oh my God it's going DOWN NOW!" witness-to-amazing-live-improvised-music-high that concerts like The Roots, Medeski Martin and Wood, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Phish, Garage-a-Trois, Project Logic, Sonic Youth, or any other number of acts not as widely praised as DMB for their live show have.

That's the thing that weirds me out about DMB; I of all people should like 'em. If I don't like 'em (and I don't have high standards, as evidenced by the fact that Les Claypool is one of my favorite musicians ever), there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

10 to 1 that Linkin Park fans grow up to become DMB fans. and that Linkin Park's first "we're-now-mature-and-make-quality-music" CD will sound a helluva lot like DMB.

2 to 1 that Linkin Park fans grow up to become bitter lovelorn accountants, and that Linkin Park's first "we-re-now-mature-and-make-quality-music" CD will sound a helluva lot like REM's "Radio Song".

that's also a possibility, i concede!

Now on to the subject of DMB...I know that by anything I post I am not going to change any minds here and quite frankly, I don't intend to. From, what I have gathered most of you don't like DMB because you have only heard their radio songs, and because you don't like the whole image that goes with the band. (Frat boys getting drunk, and "teenybopper" girls etc...) That is understandable, in fact I dont care for the drunken masses and the anoying people on their cell phones, or the people shouting out in the middle of the concert. I am all for having a good time, but shouting "I love you Dave!" in the middle of a quiet song...that just is anoying. However, DMB is a band that thrives on the road. That is when you can truly see them shine through...This past April I took a die-hard metallica fan to a DMB show with me, he said that this concert was far and away the best he had ever seen. I really think that if you love music, and I am guessing that is why many of you are hear, then I find it hard to believe that you cannot at least respect the members of DMB and what they have done in the past 10 years. I encourage you to check out some of their live material, I think you might be pleased as to what you hear. If you would like I can set you up with some good live stuff. Also, I am always up to listening to new music, so if you feel that you know of a better band (and apparently most of you do) then I would love to check them out.

Well, that was fairly long winded, but I will cut it off here, and I encourage repsonse to what I have to say...keep well y'all

Peace,
Ryan

AIM: ecsprinter

I fleetingly thought it might be an homage to Mission of Burma's Roger Miller -- world's coolest Tinnitus sufferer -- but then I thougt,....this young whippersnapper probably couldn't find the former Burma on a map, let alone appreciate a band named after it's U.S. mission office. He probably wears them in order to project an image of serious musician , i.e. "my hearing is so precious and important that I must protect it, lest I lose touch with the pithy nuances in my delicate aural cavities, preventing me from practicing my craft and providing you the finest offerings capable on my instrument.

Or possibly he's just as put off by Linkin Park's music as any discriminating ear-owner, and needs to block it out via deafening blasts of noise.

Dude, I sing with a SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA. I know/have met something like 20 violinists who are better than Predator The Fiddler (including a Grammy-winning soloist); that doesn't mean that Predator can't play!

I happen to be on very close, personal terms with a trio of retarded chimpanzees and a incontinent orangutan who can't can't play a solitary note on the violin, let alone any musical instrument (missing the opposable thumbs, don'tcha know), but I'd still much rather listen to them experiment with a violin than listen to that DMB guy.

No films, though. That's a point against.

Of course. But a good number of them abandoned here for ILE for a reason.

Part of my evil plan.

"The first time I heard him(Dave) I thought he was a black jazz artist.The song I heard (crush) from him and his bandmates was
amazing and had a distinct soulful feel to it, the feel that you don't hear much at all today from bands. Their drummer(carter) has God like drumming skills,amazing live band their just lit from beginning to end.I just got around to picking up their new one Busted Stuff, fucking mindblowing music.
All the musicans bring somthing to the table so your always full ya know?They literally have created their own genre of music and that right there is quite a thrill mate."- Bono ,Showbiz Iraland Maginzine 3-2-03

Oh, the hilarity.

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to the comment "oh the hillarity"

oh let me guess..u2 is a terrible band also and bono sucks. i would say its safe to say that u2 is one of the most established and celebrated rock bands in rock history..count the number of awards..count the number of years they have been together..etc..etc..etc...dont argue for the sake of argument you all are just digging yourselves into a deeper ditch..please be reminded i have not said one bad thing about linkin park...

This is just indefensible. They sound nothing like System Of a Down, Slipknot, or the Deftones, for example, not even like Korn or Limp Bizkit. In fact I don't think they sound like any other nu-metal band.

They sound kinda like Incubus.

oh let me guess..u2 is a terrible band also and bono sucks. i would say its safe to say that u2 is one of the most established and celebrated rock bands in rock history..count the number of awards..count the number of years they have been together..etc..etc..etc...dont argue for the sake of argument you all are just digging yourselves into a deeper ditch..

See, here's the thing. I like U2. Other people on this board like U2 too. But many others do NOT like U2, and do not accept that they have to like a band, especially one as pompous as U2, just because they've been around for a while, or people have given them awards. Recognition or longevity are not the same as quality.

And even as a U2 fan, I wouldn't accept Bono's word on anything, nonetheless taste in music. So he likes Dave Matthews. So what? Why he should be telling us what we should like about music? I find Dave Matthews boring as hell and will continue to find Dave Matthews boring as hell, no matter what Bono, Elvis, or Gandhi have to say about him.

Since Hybrid Theory came out and "One Step Closer" went on the radio I started to like LP, after awhile KDWB(local radio station) ruined this song as they do with any other song on the radio by playing it 2 3 and even 4 times in a row or within an hour. I still enjoy LP and am anxiously awaiting the new release.

DMB is a band that I have been listening to for as long as I can remember and I love their music also, The Stone, #41, #40, granny, and of course Warehouse are a few favorites, none of which have been played continuously on the radio losing exposure to LP fans who probably would not be listening to the station it is on in any case.

Now for the point that I have to make.

Linkin Park is an entirely different genre from Dave Matthews Band. Most people who like Linkin Park like them because that is the type of music they listen to, they probably also like Korn and Limp Bizkit(maybe not anymore since Wes is gone but Just Drop Dead is appealing to me), much alike on Dave Matthews Band side people who listen to them probably also get enjoyment out of Jack Johnson, John Mayar, and others with slightly similar sounds(don't burn me im not saying John Mayar is the next DMB in any case). Now to push someone from a Hard Rock edge to an acoustic or AlternativeRock catagory is like trying to dress up a gothic kid in a polo shirt and khakis, it's not going to work, the kid will be unhappy and will try to pull away from the other catagory more. Some people like Dave, some people like LP don't try and push it upon each other to like the other band, if they have an interest in the other band they will discover it themselves.
What is the point of trying to campaign for new fans?

Burn away thats just my humble opinion.

Actually I prefer DMB over Linkin Park, though I'm a fan of neither band.

About the bands I used, I was pretty weary about using them I only used them because I've noticed that my friends that listen to say Linkin Park also listen to Korn or Limp Bizkit.

Likewise friends of mine who listen to Dave Matthews find an interest in John Mayar and Jack Johnson.

I do realize that it is a small sample of a fan base but i was just making a point of seperate types of music.

Thanks :)

As for Mark.

Nobody has to listen to bono...it just brought credibility to this argument...

As I noted in the other thread, hardly. Think of it this way -- are you more comfortable talking about what YOU like or reaching to point out what someone else thinks? If you have to do the latter step as a way to bolster your point of view -- it adds no credibility beyond the fact that someone happens to agree with you, no more -- what makes you think that is going to automatically win someone over on such an individualistic and ultimately trivial (compared to things like, say, survival in general) point about the quality of a band?

As has been said on this thread and the other one, Bono could come out and say anything he likes about any band ever, and that doesn't and won't change opinions about those bands by those who have heard them. Does Bono think for you or do you think for yourself? I'd wager you'd say the latter -- then why are you not comfortable with that alone?

A Few Things I Like About Linkin Park :
* the pretty, chiming bits in "Crawling" + the lead vocalist's wounded/fragile voice/etc (heh anger turned inward as opposed to, say, Limp Bizkit/Papa Roach's quasi wife/fag-basher aggro vibe).
* the Kutmaster Kurt remix of "In The End", one of my favourite tracks from '02. Tim Finney called this riff-hop, right?
* the CG videos, very Final Fantasy & stuff - hurrah! also the Cartoon Network Gundam Wing advert that uses "Crawling" - youth, quasi-military homoeroticism (bug/angel soldiers!), ANGST, etc. Boyband cuteness is a v.good thing (turntablist, mmmn).
* er, sundry other tracks & remixes. they're a lot more, say, Depeche Mode than a lot of other nu-metal bands; & I think they'd be treated/classified differently if it wasn't for the precise cultural/musical moment they arrived on the scene in. They're very Pop, which is grebt. Keep fighting the good fight, Linkin Park! (ps may I suggest some Zed Bias or Irv Gotti remixes?)

Very much part of the appeal. (Honorable mention for the Deftones here as well on that front.)

if you're into gay sex and dildos that is.