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It's quite true. What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about. The fact that they can tinker with computers to remix their latest bling bling nigga jigga jigga nigga track does not count.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

are you steve's brother?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I'm going to cry.

― g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i know someone would probly ask so..
worthwhile music is music that can potentially be considered classic for having a meaningful impact on it's listeners. don't say that rap is meaningful.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

TOM ILM IS SEVERELY TESTING MY NEW POWERS TODAY

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

It aint Motown but most of em are real musicians they choose to use software

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

but anyone can learn how to read a book on ProTools ..which is pushing the envelope right there.. and figure out how to mix a track.. plus software is not exactly an instrument

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

And it certainly has had an impact on the makers of rims and platinum teeth

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

(rubs hands together, smiles)

― Geir Hungry, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Who cares about instruments? It's the sound that matters. This is a point that shouldn't even have to be made. This is also a troll that shouldn't be fed..

― Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about.

So I'm guessing you missed that Lauryn Hill Unplugged where she performed solo acoustic guitar/vocals.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.bertweedon.com/graphics/bertvidsleeve.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha, sometimes I forget that people that believe this kinda stuff actually exist.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument...

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/w/Wyclef/sq-wyclef_guitar-mtv.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.click2music.fi/finland/viikkarit/vk01/mase.jpg

I've got more meaning in the ice on my little finger than you got in your whole damn life. I affect my listeners, you just infected blisters. Punk.

Yr. Pal,
Ma$e

P.S. You use the n-word again and i'll slap you upside the head. Much respect, I'm out.

― Yr. Pal Ma$e, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

EVERYBODY STOP NOW...DON'T ENGAGE THIS FOOL IN A DISCUSSION...PLEASE!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

the members of the fugees are unique and one of a kind.. you can't take lauryn hill and use her to represent the majority of her like-minded "artists".

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

are Tangarine Dream musicians? If I left the house now went across the street to Musicians Enemy and went in the electronicz section it would probably have half a dozen really talented kids noodling the keys and sequencers making MUSIC. I love guitars but thats what they like ya know
The gtr drm bass thing seems antiquated to them. This is what they listen to and this is what they emulate. Good or Bad

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

try...the roots.

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Ma$e plays a mean ukelele, though. His "The Girl That Makes The Thing" has got critics already watering at the mouth.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

we're talking mainstream hip-hop "artists" here. can someone explain what they have contributed to music besides their opinions on bitchaz?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

http://kck.pathfinderscience.net/construction/troll.GIF

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

MY DICK IN YOUR MOUTH

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

where is jon williams when you need him?

amateurist now post a picture of a blinged out goat!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

trollish it is but 1/3 of the planet seems to share his opinion. its still fun to repeat it

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

What did mainstream hair metal bands contribute to "worthwhile" music?

What did mainstream country&western bands contribute to "worthwhile" music?

What the fuck is "worthwhile" music?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

pfft. they played instruments nick.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

They probaly have contributed nothing to your shallow definition of music.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I sincerely hope that the Roots are honestly trying to change the future of hip hop. I doubt it will happen but I give them credit. please do not purposely point out the "unique" hip hop artists that people do not give enough credit to anyway. i just want to know what the overrated eminems and 50 cents and jay-z's and snoop dogg's have contributed to music throughout the past couple of years.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/images/covers/170/330/334212.jpg

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Patience, Grasshoppers. Contemplate this mantra: DNFTT.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

1. pyro
2. yodeling
3. yessongs

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

wow is that LL Cool J wearing silver or am I just seeing things ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

JP, name a few mainstream artists from ANY genre that have contributed to 'worthwhile' music in the last few years

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

am, i kiss you

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

oops I kiss you

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

although i posted about the roots, it seems like anti-pop or cLOUDDEAD might change the face of hip hop more...

i also refuse to read poetry because those damn poets dont lpay instruments...

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

And what's up with these so-called "authors" using computers to write novels, hmm?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I refuse to acknowledge the assumption that a guitar is a musical instrument.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

before mainstream hip hop was "invented", music was at its peak in terms of talent and overall quality. my opinion? yes. is it true? well maybe
mainstream rappers are simply taking credit away from talented artists who took time to learn how to play an instrument.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i do love how an anti-hiphop troll is the one thing that can bring all of ilx together

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

JP Albin- did rock music achieve perfection in 1974?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

IT'LL HAPPEN TO YOU

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"peak" ? what the f*ck?????

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i do love how an anti-hiphop troll is the one thing that can bring all of ilx together

i was just thinking this!
::hugz::

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha ha, you are otm, jess, though I just decided not to post what I was going to do, some rambling bleh about how lame the hiphop artists dont play instruments trope is, seeing as the voice and turntables are instruments, etc.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

the guitar was one of the first musical instruments that has evolved since the early 1900's. who told you a beatbox was a musical instrument..
Dom, authors aren't musicians. let's be reasonable here.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

well maybe mainstream rappers are simply taking credit away from talented artists who took time to learn how to play an instrument.

Oh, but there certainly aren't any mainstream rock or country (or jazz for that matter) artists taking credit away from talented artists, heavens no. Inconceivable. < / sarcasm >

IT'LL HAPPEN TO YOU

Grandpa Simpson is my Jesus.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

the guitar was one of the first musical instruments that has evolved since the early 1900's. who told you a beatbox was a musical instrument..

Dude, you do know that the first musical instrument was THE HUMAN VOICE, right?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHA THE FEMALES WHO DEFEND THE MAINSTREAM RAP ARTISTS MAKE ME LAUGH. WOULD YOU LOVE ME IF I CALLED YOU DUMB "BITCHAZ" ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually hip-hop started right about when the charts were more segregated than any time since the early 1950s.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Being in total control, honey...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Caps lock always makes one's argument more valid.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

The misogyny of some hiphop is no different than the misogyny in many rock songs. Ever heard of a band called the Rolling Stones?

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

a musical instrument is not something that most people are born with.. therefore a voice is not necessarily a credible example of an instrument.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

did the Stones talk about slicing their ex's throats etc. etc.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Elmo raps and its music

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

did the Stones talk about slicing their ex's throats etc. etc.

It takes more to get a response nowadays

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I despair.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.kid2do.com/images/elmo.jpg

No one shall question Elmo's rockist cred!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

no one has actually answered my question.. what contributions have our favorite current mainstream hip hop artists made to the progression of music?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

you never answered mine, jp

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

oops is right. though hasil adkins did sing about cutting off his girlfriend's head in the early sixties.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

re:stones' talking down to BITCHAZ see: midnight rambler, brown sugar, stupid girl, some girls etc. also peep the beatles' "run for your life" itself a quote of elvis' "let's play house" or you might want to listen to stagger lee or the willow garden or little sadie or any number of traditional songs by people who played instruments

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

"no one has actually answered my question"

Oh if I had a pound for every time I'd read that on ILX...

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Music is at it's peak right now. No, wait...NOW. Ah fuck...here it comes....mmm.....NOW!!! ;-)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

The Stones are classic.. misogynists or not.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I like to think that one day topics like this will be met with total, utter silence. Not even a 'Do not feed the troll' will be necessary. It will be quite wonderful.

― Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

did the Stones talk about slicing their ex's throats etc. etc
No, but how many times an hour, on any given oldies/classic rock station in the country does, say, Under My Thumb get played? That's a whole lot of dissemination of some pretty indefensible misogyny.

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

contribution: they once again scared white radio

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Fight trolling with trolling say I* - hey JP just because the bands you like are pussy-whipped doesn't mean you should come whining about it to us!!!

*(NB I don't really, sigh.)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

hey fritz they didn't make it so obvious did they ? can you not listen to a rap "song" and smell the misogyny.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

So if JP thinks you're 'classic' it's OK to be misogynist

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

no one has answered your question BECAUSE IT'S INHERENTLY FLAWED. There's no such thing as "the progression of music," you lame-o.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes and it smells like Brut. Mmmmm.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

if you can well mask any discrimination its 'ok'

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

perhaps? that's not what we're talking about here though. i'm still waiting for someone to tell me what hip hop artists have done to contribute to the progression of music..

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn your fleet fingers Tom!

What I was going to post:

What does misogyny smell like?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

JP, you must now list your ten favorite *current* bands so we can ridicule you to no end

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

My shoes smell like something bad. I think it might be misanthropy though.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm still waiting for JP to realize there is no progression of music

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I have got about a 100 seperate music scenes in this city and they are all hiphop. maybe 2 rock (I'm skipping the obvious jazz)
Whats that say?

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

okay if I'm to take this stupid question at face value:

i'm still waiting for someone to tell me what hip hop artists have done to contribute to the progression of music..

I'll come up with "Hey, like Radiohead and Beck are all 'progressive' d00d and there's like some hiphop beats in their songs." Woo-hoo. Question answered.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

inherently flawed i think not. bands like the Stones and the Beatles and even the Kinks have shaped a musical form that will be with us for decades. rappers have shaped hundred dollar bills to sniff coke through.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

hahaha, the Stones are artists of merit, they NEVER sniff coke!

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

hstencil is right on. What is music progressing toward? Will we one day reach the end of music? Everyone will slap one another on the back and retire: "Music is done."

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

The "beginning to" in the subject line is a nice touch btw. Well crafted.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Rap music is special in that, unlike traditional forms of music which are based on sequences-of-single-tones, it's based on sequences-of-words (which are in-and-of-themselves sequences-of-tones). This, in conjunction with the also-attached-to-hip-hop school of sample-based music (which is also a sequences-of-sequences-of-tones style of musical organization), points to a gigantic paradigm shift in the way music is put together. This is a brand new phenomenon to mankind, and in the years to come more and more music will be sequences-of-sequences-of-tones rather than the ancient sequences-of-single-tones style of composition. If that isn't "progression of music", NOTHING IS.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Thats what 100s are for shmo

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

girl scout, is your city exposed to other types of music. do Jaheim and Taneisha know who Chet Atkins is ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

first you say it doesn't matter if they're misogynist cuz they're classic (dumb argument to make if you wanna damn hiphop for he-man woman-hatin')
then you say
hey fritz they didn't make it so obvious did they ?
i don't know why you think a song like "some girls" or "midnight rambler" ("I'm the hit-and-run raper in anger!") are subtle but whatever, you got no point to make here

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

well shit, if it's going to be w/us for decades (you're psychic, I take it) it MUST be good

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

jaheim and taneisha

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

nope its an island unto itself only jazz/meters type stuff. All the rappers like pantera though

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

explain to me how many more contributions eminem has made towards the progression of music than the rolling stones ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

do Jaheim and Taneisha know who Chet Atkins is ?

Goodness this is a masterclass. This is good for another 80 posts on its own I'm positive.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

we've now come to the point in this thread where we guess JP's age.
I say 18

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

do Jaheim and Taneisha know who Chet Atkins is ?

I think the real problem here is JP forgot his white robe and mask.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm guessing 15. No offense to other ILM 15 year-olds.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm sure every single one of the rappers in your city just love pantera :)

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

and his cross and kerosene, too.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

The only sad part is you really cant explore the local scenes because well you will be shot and end up at charity hospital its all very real. Too real for most of the population.

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

why is it that... anyone who grew up listening to Frank Sinatra would probly agree with me? is it because Frank Sinatra was a legend?
does everyone born before 1950 know absolutely nothing about music ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

eminem has 3 albums to the stones 25 or so - there's more quantifiable "progression" in 40 yrs than 4 - so what?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

its amazing how many ppl took the bait.

c'mon ppl stop arg now!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude they love Pantera theyre local. We all family here

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

"does everyone born before 1950 know absolutely nothing about music ?"

wha?

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw Baby at a Hank Williams III and Jackass show once. Honest!

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

does everyone born before 1950 know absolutely nothing about music ?

Well obv, since it hadn't progressed enough yet ;)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

girl scout, that's great that i would be shot for my opinion on hip hop. what does that say about it's fans? could the music have possibly... influenced them ? maybe, maybe not. you don't see kids with Weezer shirts on killing each other. probly cos weezer doesnt invoke violence and hate.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Depends on who you ask...

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-three years ago)

On "Midnight Rambler" the Stones are just inhabiting a character.

Just like Eminem.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-three years ago)

anyone who grew up listening to Frank Sinatra would probly agree with me?

They'd probaly say that Elvis' pelvic thrusts are sinful, too.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-three years ago)

This is the thread where God weeps for His fallen creation.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

white peoples rule!

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

ok 'oops' you go rock 50 cent while i ask your grandparents if they think he's at all talented..
.. also, doesn't mean they're wrong if elvis isn't their favorite.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

girl scout, you shouldn't be so racist :)

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i dont think the stones were inhabiting a character anymore than em is

nancy told me a story of how she found a cassette tape on the street at age 14 or 15 with "under my thumb" on it and no tracklisting and for a few years thought it was a "modern" song

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

jp = gwb ?

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

eminem is speaking from his personal life.. the Stones were indeed inhabiting a character

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

How do you know?

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

JP, music peaked in 1785...go aske your great great great great great grandparents if they think anyone in th 20th C had any talent

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

IS THIS ETHAN?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.netmeg.net/jargon/terms/t/troll.html

JUST MY OPINION

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

(Don't think so.)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

you ignorant ILM'ers are just playing devil's advocate with me. you go ask anyone with a degree in music if they think maintream hip hop has made any useful contributions to music.. hmm what do you think they would say ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

JPs right on the money, I think. Poor black people have never contributed anything to the evolution of music, why are they being allowed to cram the charts with atonal crap now? For music to continue to develop the public should be focusing on what real, skilled musicians are creating - people who understand structure, discipline, melody, harmony like the best composers/producers of old (Phil Spector, Frank Sinatra, Brian Wilson, etc.) Mysogyny in music is fine as long as its understood that its a role, part of the story of the music.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone with a degree in music probably wouldn't have much time for the Stones, either.

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

hehehe Inspector Padgett would never be so crass.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm try they are teaching turntablism at new england conservatory of music next (or this?) year...

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

you almost hit it otm but not quite. what poor black people are cramming up the charts ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the dude from Hootie and the Blowfish makes up for all the talking in rhymes "music".

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

he says otm = he is a regular - this is a scam and a fraud, i think.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

turntablism is the equivalent of me smacking my cd player to make it skip. get real.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yea fritz saying otm makes me a regular. but i'm not quite as cool as the regulars so i better stop saying that right now.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I just feel I have to do this, to help end this.

As if it wasn't bad enough that Po-po in NYC got a war on HipHop, some guy needs to be schooled in the basic elements of the art-form...

So from the Collins English Dictionary:

musician: a person who plays or composes music, especially as a profession

music: 1. an artform consisting of sequences of sounds in time, especially tones of definite pitch organized melodically, harmonically, rhythmically, and according to tone colour,
2. such an artform characteristic of a particular people, culture, or traditon Indian music, rock music, baroque music and I'll add HipHop Music

instrument: 2. Music. any of various contrivances or mechanisms that can be played to produce musical tones or sounds.

Get it, JP Albin???

Anything can be an instrument, as long as the sounds emanated can be manipulated. My granny farting into a can with a sense of rhythm transforms the sounds, to the keen ear, into music and her into a musician, if said act was a performance.

As long as my granny can control her gaseous emissions, she is playing an instrument. She is in total control.

Likewise, the voice, beatboxing, turntablism, pressing "loop" on a sampler and organisng samples in a sequencer....

What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about. The fact that they can tinker with computers to remix their latest bling bling nigga jigga jigga nigga track does not count.

I'm really beginning to think that hip hop has played no role whatsoever in the progression of worthwhile music

N*E*R*D have pretty much carried all mainstream good music forward for the last 2 to 3 years. They are excellent musicians I believe, and even re-recorded their synth heavy debut album with live instruments because their record label thought people like yourself wouldn't understand it as music otherwise.

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

"to help end this"

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"Progression of music." So completely priceless. You seem by "progression" to mean "increasing of the complexity thereof," wherefore you gotta hate: the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, Chuck Berry, etc., all of whom along with their peers moved popular music from a relatively complex system (big band & jazz) to a much simpler music (rock). Rap at least restores some rhythmic complexity to the proceedings. There's no point in trying to answer your question, as your mind is made up and you're not really asking a question at all -- you're just saying "I don't care for rap" -- but it's tough to resist. Let it suffice to say that practically anybody who knows anything about music disagrees with you.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"what poor black people are cramming up the charts ?"

Ja Rule, Nelly, 50 Cent - these guys may brag about having tons of dough and "bitchez" but in reality most of them are broke as a joke. And they certainly all come from poor backgrounds. No one ever educated them about what real music is. They just saw criminals getting rich off rap and figured that was their best chance.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

They invent new dances here weekly like its 1962. Its a vibrant musical scene.I'm just jealous because white rock hasn't created anything as valid

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

troll
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.
-- The Jargon File

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

but i'm not quite as cool as the regulars so i better stop saying that right now.

I don't know about as cool, but you're about 10,000 times more dense than even the densest regular.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

a guitar solo is the equivalent of flossing your teeth to a tune

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Hstencil recall that we have seen the densest regular in blazing minger action all day!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

omg I bet this guy is Jess!!! Fritz is right: use of "otm" and of the abbreviation "ILM" PROVES BY SCIENCE this person is one of us

come now, out yourself

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

John it's you.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

J dub, I KISS YOU!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

ah but Tom I haven't clicked on that thread, seems like it'd be unsafe for work.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Prog progressed music

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

It's unsafe for humans but work should be OK.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

haha Tom I wish it was but it's not

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

into punk!

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

NERD is not a mainstream rap artist. they are hip-hop producers who experiment with sounds.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

also do moderators have a way of ascertaining who this is by IP #?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

haha this is NOT me

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah we do JD - check the usual thread for speculations.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr Regular ILM poster pretending to be a Google Troll, you have just changed your tactic! Now you are trying to be "underground hip-hop liker/anti-Puff-Daddy" troll. One mask per thread please

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

J0hn Darn1elle - your OPINION is just as valuable as mine.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

the only posts coming up under this IP are his

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

everything below the ma$e post should be deleted

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Can you tell us his netblock so we can figure out where he's coming from?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

N*E*R*D aren't mainstream = THERE IS NO MAINSTREAM.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

check the usual thread?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

("shout for the moderator" fritz)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

J0hn Darn1elle - your OPINION is just as valuable as mine.

Nope, you blew your chance at value way upthread, sport.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

you guys are like one big ignorant family.. if saddam hussein shot missles in a certain succession, you would call it music and defend it against Eric Clapton.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd read this thread, but I have to go kill myself now. Catch up with ya later maybe.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Everybody - this is clearly the fireman who yelled at me in McSorley's last Wednesday.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

OK it's somebody who knows exactly what my buttons are & what around for the "Sea Change" thread awhile back

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

if there is no mainstream, what do you call eminem ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

you guys are like one big ignorant family.. if saddam hussein shot missles in a certain succession, you would call it music and defend it against Eric Clapton.

this has redeemed the entire thread

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

"was around" I mean -- that high-school "it's your opinion" crap that I'm always getting when i beat somebody in an argument

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

John Cage to thread!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I call him "the Madman of Baghdad," myself.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.lamer.net/arguing.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

No point in bringing up Clapton, JP. These people are probably all too happy to slag off the GREATEST BLUES GUITARIST OF ALL TIME.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.trigonalmayhem.com/moc.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

The turntablist remark and the clapton reference are funny enough to be the "alex" feller

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

NERD has produced at least one song for almost every current mainstream rap act

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

TS: "Wonderful Tonight" vs. Baghdad tomorrow night

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

"if saddam hussein shot missles in a certain succession, you would call it music and defend it against Eric Clapton"

I wouldn't call it music, but would simply wish that said missiles were headed straight for Mr. Clapton. He's stolen every lick imaginable from masters such as Muddy Waters, T. Bone Walker and Elmore James.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

if there is no mainstream, what do you call eminem?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

dude Yanc3y it's not gonna be 48 hours exact - Tommy Franks can't strike under a full moon.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

o Jon Williams is about to fix this thread something PROPER, I'd bet

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

you guys are like one big ignorant family.. if saddam hussein shot missles in a certain succession, you would call it music and defend it against Eric Clapton.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

This is Ethan P, of course it is!

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

(I'm in a favor of a new anti-troll technique wherein everyone just repeats the troll's posts.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

It's gotta be Geir's country cousin.

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I was rather selfishly hoping war would wait until after my 30th, but oh well.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.lamer.net/bsmeter.gif

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

o Jon Williams is about to fix this thread something PROPER, I'd bet
-- J0hn Darn1elle (edito...) (webmail), March 18th,
2003 3:27 PM. (later) (J0hn Darn1elle) (link)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/sexjon.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

QUICK EVERYONE POST STUPID IMAGES

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

it's all you, Jon

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

QUICK EVERYONE POST STUPID IMAGES

(in diff't colors!)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

He's stolen every lick imaginable from masters such as Muddy Waters, T. Bone Walker and Elmore James

I don't think so. Clapton is much more of a B.B. King/Albert King copyist.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.scarymonstersmag.com/old2.jpg

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.ergir.com/saatli/clapton_is_god.jpg

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

countdown to Goatse: 10...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Very good one, Oops.

Wesley Willis, do you agree that this is the Worst Trolling Evah?

http://www.lamer.net/word.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

what the hell is going on

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I suddenly feel gay I'm going to a bar

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

we're talking mainstream hip-hop "artists" here. can someone explain what they have contributed to music besides their opinions on bitchaz?
-- JP Albin (twiggy66...), March 18th, 2003.

Eminem has contributed: music that I have enjoyed. I like the way he raps. I'm sure lots of other people do.

Sometimes he says things just to get a reaction. Sound familiar?

You're so funny JP. I like people who don't follow reason in their arguments. Making sense is over-rated.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

8====>

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

9...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.boomspeed.com/andyfront/jonwtc.jpg
(Note: someone made that pic, featuring my face on another messageboard.... I have such a good reputation.)

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean the thread-title edit is helpful and funny, but is it just me or should we be a bit more strict in the use of mod privileges?

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/sauron.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

7...6...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.petsmart.com/images/product/large/in500738.jpg

― g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/bez.jpg

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

We got your "progression of music" right here:

http://www.ionnutz.freeservers.com/images/middle.finger.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

mei , i speak the truth and only the truth. eminem attracts like-minded fools like yourself.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/hacks/mumra.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

we're talking mainstream hip-hop "artists" here. can someone explain what they have contributed to music besides their opinions on bitchaz?

Puffy has thrown some excellent parties..

http://www.loveandtragedy.com/stuff/puffyalbum4.jpg

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/goatsie.jpg

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I want JP to respond to Nickalicious' comments upthread re: one of hip-hop's contributions = loop- and sample-based music-making. Especially since, as Hstencil mentions, you can see the effects of this on rock musicians like Radiohead and Beck. (And, I'd add, plenty of pop and electronic acts.) Or are we not actually taking this seriously anymore?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Cozen the proliferation of pics meant I had to change the title anyway. I thought some indication of its pointlessness was also appropriate.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing that always creeped me out about that particular WTC footage is the way the sky looks all green and soupy. When it was in fact a beautiful clear day.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I stopped taking this seriously when JP ignored my answering his question.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

good one donut but there is no staving off the inevitable...5...4...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.redcoat.net/pics/tubgirl.jpg

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

no jess no!!! a bridge too far!!!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

(i just didnt have the heart to actually post it)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

^ *shudders*

http://www.megadetharizona.com/vics/images/countdown.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

jesus, jess............!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm fleeing the boards.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/jpg/eoti1.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

...3...2...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom: Yeah, true.

Tubgirl: oh fuck.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

What did mainstream hair metal bands contribute to "worthwhile" music?

DUDE DID YOU FORGET "WIND OF CHANGE" BY WINGER? IT IS DEEP, PEACE OUT.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

jess: was that "fecal japan"?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

...1...

[I am getting out of here before it happens, keep up the good fite all]

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

guys i feel like this has brought us closer

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

(I'm in a favor of a new anti-troll technique wherein everyone just repeats the troll's posts.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

This is awesome. I leave w3rk, and it's like vultures tearing at the stripped skeleton ov CR's kred, and by thee time I get 'ome, all thee aktion's moved over 'ere! It's just like thee old days!! I look forward to new thread "pity me, for I do not understand modern 'art'".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow you guys R posting soooo fast, slow down a bit i can't follow the boat!!!

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

jon that was posted in the now infamous ile thread "nacho cheese?"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:55 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a bit like the last day of school when you could bring your toys in, isn't it?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

uhoh.....
http://while1.net/misc/ticket.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/ticket.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://home.sprynet.com/~grover/dalmation.gif

awwww.. cute!

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/images/heart.gif Jon Williams.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know about anybody but i Love eminem.
http://www.humorweb.net/pictures/0988.jpg

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Its Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

(sorry -- the big font had to go. -mod.)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.emcins.com/emcrm/ss/largesigns/404.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

i <3 jon williams u r all str8

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

*wishing he could use EMBED*

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

all your base are belong to hip hop
http://www.sandboxautomatic.com/images/rapsucksfront.gif
?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

kakh etah "what the fuck is going on with the colors and russian" pah rooskee?

here's spiderman:

http://www.loveandtragedy.com/stuff/spiderman.gif

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.thisispunkrock.btinternet.co.uk/ps/can/doadisco.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/wart.gif

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

http://images.radcity.net/5597/299857.gif

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to bed soon.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

country sucks

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)

It's quite true. What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about.

No, it isn't. On the other hand, no mainstream hip-hop artist is actually talented enough to write an original melodic verse/chorus based song in the good old "Ivor Novello Tradition" either, which is really what making music is all about.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually hip-hop started right about when the charts were more segregated than any time since the early 1950s.

Actually hip-hop led to the charts becoming more segregated than any time since the early 1950s (at least until white record buyers started buying hip-hop).

Charts will remain segregated until the percentage of black record buyers buying "rock" or "classic pop" (or eventually classical music) is just as large as the percentage of R&B/hip-hop-fans among white audiences.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Around 20 years earlier, The Beatles restored some melodic and harmonic complexity to the proceedings...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

i want to find out what Taneisha means in any language thank you.

― Taneisha Jackson, Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

My God why ask on this thread, you fucking lunatic???!!!

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

in urdu it means "he who walks the path of the befuddled"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

jess, i hate you for posting that link. i will never eat, bathe, or click on suspect links again.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, what a thread title. This was right before my time on ILX, I'm surprised it isn't a Geir thread. Though the last I remember of him he actually posted his top 10 rap albums, which included "Stankonia", "Regulate" and "Doggystyle"(!!!).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

AGGGGHH YOURE STUPID. ill only respond to one thing further up though about slicing necks because i dont have time to read the whole thing.

rosco gordon - http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf400/f492/f49297d74cm.jpg
"Im gonna load my pistol, sharpen my knife, im gonna get that man tahts got my wife
...
im gonna take my knife and operate." (1952?)

blue sky boys - http://www.bluegrassmusic.com/reviews/images/BLUESKY4a.jpg
"i drew my knife across her throat and to my breast she gently pressed, 'oh please oh please dont murder me, im unprepared to die you see'...
I took her by her lily white hand, led her down and I made her stand
Pushed her in where she would drown, watched her as she floated down
...
Returning home between 12 and 1, thinking "Lord, what a deed I have done!"
Killed the girl I loved, you see, 'cause she would not marry me"
sometime in the 30s

elvis presley - you know waht this guy looks like.
"id rather see you dead little girl than be with another man!" (56?)

stones -
"Under my thumb
Her eyes are just kept to herself
Under my thumb, well i
I can still look at someone else

It’s down to me, oh that’s what I said
The way she talks when she’s spoken to
Down to me, the change has come,
She’s under my thumb" etc

"The way she powders her nose
Her vanity shows and it shows
She's the worst thing in this world
Well, look at that stupid girl
...
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up"

so many other points to make...but its probably too late.

― tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

i want to find out what Taneisha means in any language thank you.

― velko, Monday, 24 August 2009 03:31 (sixteen years ago)

in urdu it means "he who walks the path of the befuddled"

― bamcquern, Monday, 24 August 2009 03:53 (sixteen years ago)

in japanese it could mean "seed doctor"

― adamj, Monday, 24 August 2009 09:05 (sixteen years ago)

also in response to op

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=PYk825WJxHU

― adamj, Monday, 24 August 2009 09:08 (sixteen years ago)

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