junior senior: why should i care about bad late 90s spybeat monobrow house with wanky indie vocals?

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i was misinformed!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

two possible outcomes 8 months from now:

this ends up in my top 10

this ends up in my bottom 10

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

jess jess jess h-h-ha-ha-hates fun fun fun f-fun f-fun...

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i was misinformed that the album was just 12 versions of 'Move Your Feet' but no not really

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i must hate fun

It Doesn't Feel Like A Junior Senior World Anymore < /overwroughtportent>

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

"What I'd like, is I'd like to hug and kiss you."

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

they're okay, I'd give that song a 6 in the focus group, coz you know it'll be in the next one.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, the suggestion of Anthony Kiedis similarity in the voice is actually quite spot on...i never had a particular problem with Kiedis' voice (only the lyrics) so this does not bother me

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't understand it, it's like disco influenced house which had bypassed the whole french thing and decided the red hot chilli peppers are better than daft punk, hence kind of annoying. I mean it's sub Space Cowboy, sub Bangalter/Falcon, I can't get into it as much as I try, I think it's also the tempo, it's very lumpen and plodding to me (move your feet is all I've heard admittedly) and I'd rather dance to something that sounds as though it's meant for dancing to.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

(I mean I don't have a terribly strict definition of that either, before anyone thinks it has to be even dance music or whatever)

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:14 (twenty-three years ago)

speaking of years best etc, does anyone know if there's any great white hope for house this year, in terms of albums?

Besides Vitalic, who are barely house really.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

luomo!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

i think Ireland have imposed sanctions on kompakt, I've not seen any of the stuff anywhere.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

they're hard to find anywhere, really. i mean, outside of germany and new york, obviously.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:24 (twenty-three years ago)

(however, it should be pointed out i bought my copy of the first luomo record in a barnes and noble, so it shouldn't be that hard to find this time around.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

sub Space Cowboy, sub Bangalter/Falcon

its got nothing to do with them tho, why compare?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

i think they have more in common with The Avalanches

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe if the avalanches played instruments and listened to "wham rap!" often

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

well they do

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

perhaps, but you can't hear it on the record

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

true, i meant more the 'wackiness' of the two acts, its fun and its cleverly done - reasonably

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Luomo is distributed by EFA which is one of the larger distribution companies in Germany. They have an agreement with Caroline, which effectively makes their releases major label.

You can order direct from Kompakt. http://www.kompakt-net.de/
I disagree strongly with the idea that Kompakt records are hard to find, their output has consistently been available in good shops in Detroit and Chicago since 1999. Granted, they might be harder to come by in Memphis Tenn.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

house and techno records readily available in detroit and chicago shocker!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan they're a rock band! (cute backup singers, "the blues" (sort of), "instruments") Sort of like house though in that there's no verses really, just big breakdowns and 5 gazillion choruses

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 07:49 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, it isn't house at all! more like a bar band covering mash-ups of all the iconic parts from various new wave classix

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 08:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I still don't see how the guy sounds like the guy from red hot chili peppers! I guess I have only heard like 2 rhcp songs in the last 5-6 years though.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Junior Senior are more comparable to White Stripes than to 'Ouse - certainly prefer the album to Elephant. CoM review two weeks overdue 'cos of not feeling happy enough to write it, but we'll see...

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)

ah no wonder I hate it so. I filed it with records which are introduced with "fatboy slim played this 14 years ago and the crowd went wild".

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:41 (twenty-three years ago)

hence my house description also, I'm pretty sure Fatboy Slim did actually play it too sometime I saw him.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

There is no way that Junior Senior is comparable to Elephant. One eerie comparison is this, however, notice how Jack White looks exactly like Michael Jackson on the cover of the album Elephant?

Yikes.

Back to Junior Senior.

― Samson, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:45 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe if the avalanches played instruments and listened to "wham rap!" often

Jess you have nailed why JS are better than the Avalanches.

I think they're like a good Primal Scream (as opposed to good Primal Scream which they sound 0 like).

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Sheesh.

― Samson, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

right I'm definitely not getting it now, thanks Tom ; )

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Junior Senior is a load of ironic crap! It is barely listenable. Enjoy the concept but not the music.

― Samson, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:59 (twenty-three years ago)

It is terrible! It is awful! But ... erm ... their guitarist is really attractive!

― kate, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)

HA! fastest ILX hype/backlash cycle EVER.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm keeping the faith Dan :(

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

For the first time ever on ILM, I think I can safely say: Tom, it's you and me against the world here :-(

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:15 (twenty-three years ago)

and graham linehan. he said he loved it in "Word" - which is the deal maker for me. HMV, here I come...

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:17 (twenty-three years ago)

junior senior suxx u r all red hot chilli peppers

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan it's like "What if the last chemical brothers album wasn't made by lazy old men?"

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Junior Senior are destined to become beloved by English critics and lovers of ironic pop - ignored by the rest of the world as it is, and I am very sorry, BLOODY AWFUL! : - D

I could not make it through the first song. I played it for my girl who loves French POP Music and Pop (Modjo and the likes). She said 'This is rubbish. Oh god, please take it off. Please. It sounds like Ace of Base as played by the backing band of Pop Idols but only alternative.'

― Samson, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Samson try Track 9 instead!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think there's anything 'ironic' about them - don't think that term's meaningful here. Jess' original criticisms are nearer the mark.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I had to write something about it, Tom. I have listened to the album. Twice. So painful. : - (

― Samson, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't know Daft Punk made the last chemical brothers album!

I'll continue my search for the bangalter/falcon steve winwood sampling monster.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:29 (twenty-three years ago)

the single is nice, i didnt realise they were european at first. i downloaded the album but havent played it yet

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I really like it; asked by one of the Stylus writers I said I thought it was to indie-pop (alt-pop? - B-52s keep getting mentioned, and though I don't know them at all well I definitely see JS as being closer to them rather than The Smiths or Bis or crunchy guitar indiepop - JS are indie/altpop) what N*E*R*D are to hip hop, crossing over into dance where N*E*R*D cross into rock. They definitely ain't dance or pop or indie (and def. def. DEF. not house!), but rather some weird po-mo. construct (compromise?) of all these things. It's incredibly camp and incredibly up-beat and silly, but great nonetheless, for what it is (but NOT GREAT for dance/house/indie). i guess in these odd times we just have to label it 'pop' and move on - that's the rack it's in in HMV.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah the 'house' stuff baffles me - I mean I think I understand all the "house has got too broad/default" comments on that house thread if people think JS is it.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

all the comparisons to JS on this thread are totally off the money! including my Avalanches one...is this the true pluspoint of Junior Senior?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

we just have to label it 'pop' and move on

it is utterly utterly butterly a POP album in my book

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Exactement.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

It's about sex and dancing and coconuts - can it be anything but pop?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't got enough knowledge of contemporary pop to have the foggiest clue how to categorise it but it's a great party album. Unfortunately my wife will have it on every time we have friends round drunk and I will tire of it quickly.

― ArfArf, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:17 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a Kid Creole album for 2003. Which means that we'll love it this summer but pretend never to have heard it by next year.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

ah Kid Creole - finally the comparisons approach logic!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

well come on, since move your feet is the single and is heavily disco influenced with a michael jackson chorus it's not radical to expect them to be a house act, in the same sense that basement jaxx release singles which have a wide range of influences but still are considered a house act. I haven't heard the rest but I don't think it's madness to call move your feet house.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah OK that explains it Ronan. It's like if you imagine the furthest-from-house track on a BJ album and then imagine it being the nearest-to-house track on another album, that album being the JS one.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Aye. I think. Certainly Move Your Feet is very dancefloor-oriented, but it's almost totally unrepresentative fo what's on the LP, in terms of it's proximity to house.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

'move your feet' is not 4/4, and say what you like but a 4/4 beat really is the main ingredient of house music - thats pedantism perhaps, but not everything Basement Jaxx or Daft Punk do is house either

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

its no more house than say 'Music Makes You Lose Control' by LRD which was classed as more big beat than house by many back in '98/'99

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Junior Senior aren't house or hip-hop or even indie. They are the Europop B52s and I thought we had already established this!

Speaking of years best etc, does anyone know if there's any great white hope for house this year, in terms of albums?

THE PLUMP DJS!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:15 (twenty-three years ago)

em I'm not sure how smart assed or not that answer was but your other post is right about this being a good example of the broad nature of house, but isn't it more that you imagine the furthest from house track on a BJ album being the furthest from house track on the JS album aswell, jesus this is confusing but I think it does as you say raise an interesting issue about how I and presumably other people (I hope) instantly associate disco with house and expect a poppy disco track to be the bands most pop track off a house album.

It also goes back a bit to what I said about them bypassing the whole french thing, which clearly to your average house fan (ie me) has a monopoly on disco influenced music, Junior Senior in that sense seems very strange to me, I realise the questions I'm asking aren't obvious to the rest of you, like where's the bassline, why is the voice the way it is, but I think it's difficult to stop the voice in my head which tells me that something influenced by disco is always house music.

I think this acknowledgement would have been better on Jess's thread in the first place but I didn't actually thrash it out till talking about JS, so they're good for something I guess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:16 (twenty-three years ago)

other questionable "house songs"

every big beat song ever?

praise you?

rockefell..er....every fatboy slim song, pretty much ever as per above?

space cowboy-i would die 4 u?

Basement Jaxx-Where's Your Head At?

S Club 7-Don't Stop Movin'?

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Where do bands like Radio 4 and The Rapture, who are trying to bring dance influences to post-punk/new wave 'rock' sounds and structures, fit into our definition of 'house' then? I was massively attracted to Dance To The Underground for the first two bars (4/4 beat and dubby bassline), but as soon as some Gang Of Four type chap started yelping and playing geetar I was put-off, ONLY to read summat about them and get more of an idea of where they're coming from (ie; from post-punk to house, not the other way round), go back and listen to track in entirety (thanks Uncut!), REALLY like it, buy the album and think "why aren't more rock bands doing this?"

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

that's another complication, I was about to post how while those bands aren't house they could easily be played in a "house set" and then I was going to say because "house sets" are so inclusive. But I know someone would laugh out loud at the idea of house sets being inclusive, I think relative to other dj sets and performances house sets are very very inclusive, but that's about all I can say.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i wouldnt use the house label for anything DFA do, its purely disco-punk

maybe this is not the thread for it but there's also a distinction between the Eurocentric definition of house (disco, filters, actually quite proggy) and the original American blueprint (soulful, funk more than disco influence) - i don't Archigram's 'Carnival' could have come from the States for example, likewise Mood II Swing's old 'I See You Dancing' just seems so very American

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree Steve but the two become very confused with the likes of Sondos and loads of others making really American records which still use loads of the french techniques

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the problem isn't with people's definition of 'house' but with their definition of 'disco' - it wasn't all Chic! (Which is why I mentioned Disco Tex on the other JS thread)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely the main point of house is that it is utterly dancefloor directed, which is why JS, The Rapture or any of these others will never be anything approaching house because the music is clearly intended to be something other than pure dancefloor material...

― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

actually i think JS ARE purely about making people dance and having a good time. this is the point where i go and listen to the rest of the album so i can form a PROPER opinion

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

But in that case "Baby Wants To Ride" isn't house?

JS is in a pre-house tradition of 'dancefloor material' I think - the Sam The Sham style party-record idea.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

pop music you dance to - woooooow...

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I love that song towards the end that mixes Wham vocals with T. Rex strings. The more I listen the less I hear Anthony Keidis, thank God. Who sings the "everybody move your feet and feel united" line? Is it one of them or a guest singer? That person should sing more often.

I can understand why people don't care for this sort of thing.

― Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i haven't really listened to it enough yet to be sure, but i think you're all - esp tom - nuts. hold me ronan

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

must admit I wasn't convinced on first listen but I'll give it another go

― j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

also house connection="move your feet and feel united", I don't really see the great pop part either, they are like metro area if the latter were grizzly bears.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It's the opposite of microhouse too!

It is a thousand billion times better than Metro Area.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I like it, though I don't think it has anything to do with house music or Red Hot Chili Peppers, and can't believe no one has brought up the New York Dolls (or at least David Johansen) yet. That was the first thing I heard in the vocals--though not so much in the single, which is a bit of an anomaly on the album in some ways--and don't they even mention the Dolls on a song? and call another one "Trash" or "White Trash"?

― s woods, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

How much is the definition of 'house' music dependant on it's purpose then? And do JS/Rapture/Primal Scream circa Screamadelica etcetera appropriate the purpose or house or just it's sonic aesthetic?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Purpose OF house...

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

it's big beat! big beat with whiny insectoid indie vocals! you mentalists! get over it!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

and without a big beat

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, go tell it to Gareth - big beat was a good idea and I'm glad someone's done it right for the first time in 5 years!

Haha small beat.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

little beat, awwww god bless it.

I loved Big Beat but this isn't even as good as funky fresh.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

i am willing to admit i might be missing something - i was slagging off 2manyDJs this time last year and it ended up number three on my top 10 - but eesh.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I just love it when Northern Europeans get really enthusiastic because it doesn't happen that often.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

junior senior - "move your feet (pansonic remix)"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Or rather it only seems to happen in pop. cf SCOOTER!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

They remind me of Stereo Total a bit, too. But not as brainy or exotic. You know, the party people side of Stereo Total.

― Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

It's all better than Move Your Feet but Move Your Feet is worthwhile because it has the video, but having loved the album to bits initially I now find myself feeling very affectionate towards it without wanting to listen to it at all. Coming to the realisation that I might be the kind of cunt who struggles to get into ANYTHING that doesn't have an apparent 'dark side'; if anyone can point me in the direction of apparent Junior-secretly-wracked-with-self-hatred/Senior-gets-along-pretty-well-without-you-except-sometimes moments on the album it'd be much appreciated.

― alexfack (alexfack), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

There are no such moments alexfack.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, see that's the other part of the problem: i can't help shaking the idea that this is the "rock" version of fantastic plastic machine or something i else i would have utter hated/disdained in the 90s. gap beat!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Arthur TOTALLY! when i saw them at Mercury Lounge I was like "Scandinavia-Total!!" They're less well-rounded in a way. I also can see why people wouldn't be into it, it's relentlessly hooky, there's no room for a breather anywhere, no erection section, nor ballad nor VERSE for fuxake, but goddamn that Stones-y track rocks!

"big beat" ??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Another comparison - they're what I hoped the Hives would sound like!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

hah well yes tom i will agree with you that they're better than the hives

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

(i am finding i like the second half better than the first)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

i can't help shaking the idea that this is the "rock" version of fantastic plastic machine

A good thing, surely?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

i do not like kitsch

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

--->Arthur:

The hook is sung by Thomas Troelsen, lead singer of Danish band Superheroes, and not by one of the guys in JS. If you like JS, you should check out Superheroes' eponymously titled latest album. It should be out in the US, otherwise try www.crunchyfrog.dk

― Jay K (Jay K), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks!

― Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I have decided that in fact problem with lack of apparent DARKNESS is bollocks because to all intents and purposes I've been waiting for a relentlessly upbeat and unselfconscious album like this for years and I should be greedily hoovering it up and I'm not quite so much as I should and now Junior Senior have made me conscious that there's something wrong with me. THANK YOU JUNIOR SENIOR.

Certainly the sleeve accounts for a sizeable precentage of what is great about it but this is not to detract from the innate FIZZBOMB of the music. So I dunno.

― alexfack (alexfack), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate rhcp, i hate bigbeat, i bought the junior senior album and i think i love it. it's what scooter would sound like if they made disco-punk.

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

no no its quite clearly Yello on Prozac

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Just heard this today and it's awesome. I like the Avalanches comparison, but I'd put it more with the Mr Scruff crowd.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

or yello on "jellies", after they've staved off sleep and turned into giddy monsters

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 March 2003 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm reviewing it this afternoon. There's gonna be at least one comparison no one's mentioned here but that slaps me in the face directly on at least two tracks, and which seems, with a moment's thought, to applicable to the overall tone and scope of the album...

Can anybody guess?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Embrace!

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:50 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think I actually have just shit myself laughing...

Sadly, Tom, the answer is negative, but OH GOD I wish you were right!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread is hilarious. tom says 'i like this' and everyone else whinges and goes 'but WHY, tom, WHY?!?!?' like it was a 9th grade algebra problem that everybody needed to get for the test, and the smart kids just aren't getting it across to the other smart kids.

(note to self: erm find out who are these junior senior guys anyway?)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)

i heard the rest of the album now. i dont like it much. in fact, i dont like it at all

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth you amaze me.

Dave that is unfair. Actually it was Jess and Ronan saying I don't like this and me trying to defend it.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:07 (twenty-three years ago)

aw come on, i didn't mean it in a bad way. it was just funny how jess phrased it, being very pseudo-whiney. no offense of course.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah sorry insert smiley in my comment or something.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i like 'move your feet' a fair. although marcello's comment about Elephant is OTM - this is just what i needed after listening to that freaking record all night while trying to review it. it's like spending the day in a coal mine and going to a margarita bar after work.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)

can someone recommend a good album, you all know my narrow tastes, I really need something new to listen to.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Carter The Unstoppable Sex Machine - 30 Something

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Andrew WK.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure that's on tape in my brothers old room, I'll try and find it and if I ever get my car back I'll give it a listen.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 (twenty-three years ago)

tom says 'i like this' and everyone else whinges and goes 'but WHY, tom, WHY?!?!?'

i thought this was the whole point of the board! have i got it wrong? oops i did it again...so what...

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Wrong! Try again...

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom is most of the people anyway, he just likes making up his mind.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i am Tom, and so is my wife

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:17 (twenty-three years ago)

You're my wife now...

― Papa Lazarou (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

My take on Junior Senior will be up on CoM tomorrow (Friday).

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I like that Junior Senior single quite a lot - partly because it reminds me of those cheesy 80s Eurorap singles ("a ring-rang-a-dong for a HOLIDAY!"), partly because it's chimed so sweetly with the sunny weather in London the past few weeks, and partly because I enjoyed them so much on ToTP a few weeks back - they seemed like very uncool people who through force of will alone had made themselves very cool. Which is always nice.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I was just in MVC (eurgh) and they were playing what the shop-guy termed "afro-celt-beat" (or something; I think he was a cunt), but he didn't like it so he made one of the jnr-shop-girls take it off and put summat else on. And she picked Jnr Snr! So I had to stay and browse for another 9 minutes till Move Your Feet finished...

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

ronan, get the 'kitsune love' comp.

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i need to listen to this outside now that it's sunny i think

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

CoM piece will have to wait until the weekend/Monday. Am not at work so consequently have only now managed to get to a EasyRipoffCafe computer to check email/ilxor/etc. Too knackered to do anything else!

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 March 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Also Ronan get the new Hooj comp 'Le Future le Funk' - you will adore it.

I have not heard a single thing by or about Junior Senior outside this thread and NYLPM.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 29 March 2003 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim, if your connection is now fully running again, you know where to look.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 March 2003 01:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I was wrong. I was misinformed. I watched it in on TOTP a sleep deprived daze on Friday and it is ACTUALLY GENIUS!!! YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!! HAH!!!

And their guitarist is indeed lovely. Swoon.

― kate, Monday, 31 March 2003 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

to answer your original question jess:
a) because it beats the hell out of working on my thesis
b) because it beats the hell out of answering a POX thread
c) because it beats the hell out of agonizing over hail to the thief
d) all of the above

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw them play and it wasn't till after the show that i realized the guitarist was a MANG!! I was like "she sounds just like John Lennon!" and Mattie like "who in the hell are you talking about?"

I like what Jerry the Nipper said, it feels right. It comes through in their music, that they're not lording anything over us. This aspect of them also makes me think of Stereototal, though Stereototal's ambitions are smaller somehow.

It's like somebody finally found their way out of "dance-punk 101: proving a point"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

He looks and sounds like a girl = HE IS EVEN MORE LOVELY!!! PHWOAR, etc.

― kate, Monday, 31 March 2003 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't disco punk meant to not sound like mario kart though? I don't see the punk part at all, I mean I hate to be the guy who says I'd prefer to listen to the Rapture, but I really am that guy.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)

er sorry I really should just let it go, junior senior roxx i am all gay

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

if disco, or punk - or disco-punk - is "meant" to sound like "anything" it should "sound" "like" THE RATPURE

NEW EP: PURE RAT ATTACK
12" SINGLE: POTASSIUM RAT JUICE
B/W: REMIX: POSSUM HATE
SPLIT SINGLE W/RAPTURE: I'M THE RATPURE, HE'S THE DJ
SPLIT SINGLE W/JUNIOR SENIOR: WE ROX, ONE OF THEM IS GAY

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

they are not pure rat dude, how can you say that, pure rat died in the 80s, they are just diluted watered down rat.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

tracer do own stock in their record company or something? take a breather, pal

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

my 401(k) depends heavily on danish record sales!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

somehow Tom is nobly "defending" while i'm crassly "promoting", I'm not sure i can get with that value judgement, "duke"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

don't bring your adjectival value judgments here

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 March 2003 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm gonna get adjectival on your ass

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"chief"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

i like how my statement above reads like fact: "tracer do own stock"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 March 2003 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

buy high, sell sober

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 March 2003 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

APOLLO FOUR FORTY!!

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I am the backing singer of Junior Senior.
Shut up and/or get down. You are all wrong. Junior IS a girl, Senior is straight and the music is basically AC/DC played backwards.

― Lullu, Sunday, 6 April 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

this is fantastic -- best thing I've heard all year, so far (granted, I haven't heard much new stuff; before that it was, like, lightning bolt or freeway). too bad all of the garage rock revival doesn't sound like this.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 10 April 2003 03:04 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...

Totally the best rock-revival album of the year, currently kicking the pants off of Electric Six.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah, only sort of true--it IS an awesome album but not one bit of it is as good as "Danger! High Voltage!" or "Gay Bar". It's more consistent than the Electric Six album though.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry ally but "Boy Meets Girl" tops Danger! totally coz its just so much more fun and inventive -- total context of abundance.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

It might be more inventive, but I fear "Danger!" sounds a lot better.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

None of the lyrics on the JS album are quite as strange as "fire in the Taco Bell" I don't think. I mean that's one of the (few) drawbacks of making "come on! let's dance!" every line of every song. I'm sure Ned would disagree.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

And what's up with jess's Bogart routine? "waters in the desert! waters in the... Taco Belllll!"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Rhyming Taco Bell with hell is one of the many reasons why that's the best song ever written, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Am I the only one who hears some Happy Mondays -- or at least the first Black Grape record -- in the JS mix? Sorry, but I can't get enough of this record. What dumb fun.

― Erick H (Erick H), Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

The electric six hurt my ears -- maybe i was just listening louder than to the jr/sr album, but it was this insistent "look at me" wailing.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:10 (twenty-three years ago)

you're all nuts

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 May 2003 07:22 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree.

also i want to return to my earlier position that move your feet is indeed house music.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 3 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

In middle American we're convinced that Junior Senior will save us all.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Saturday, 3 May 2003 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan that looks good. Aaaaaand plié.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 May 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"Shakes Your Coconuts" is a really fucking annoying song.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 3 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

I don't like it as much as the E6 album in its entirety but I think they might be my artists of the year. Or at least Senior is.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

They totally kick the Happy Mondays' ass.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

btw, I've got Sterling's context of abundance RIGHT HERE.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I finally heard that Move Your Feet the other day... it sounds like Russ Abott, the house mix!

― Ben Williams, Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

'Boy Meets Girl' and 'Shake Your Coconuts' are tres fucking classique - they melt my heart 'o steel

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried to resist
(lord knows why) but this has won
junior senior shred.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been tempted to buy this, but I don't know if I can take so much happiness in one dose. Are all of Junior Senior's songs relentlessly up-beat? Do they have any songs that explore or even hint at wistfulness, regret, grief, or any cocktail of emotions more complex than simple unadulterated joy?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the songs vary in theme slighty but moodwise it's pretty relentless, which is why I kinda burn out at the 2/3s point. The E6 album has way more variety. But GODDAMN I'm happy this is out here. None of that fuckin' Daft Punk detachment horseshit here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Um there's one song - the one that samples The Band - which is kind of vaguely regretful that some girl has left town before THE PARTY STARTS AGAIN.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Please do not mention daft punk in the same sentence as junior senior and the smurfs.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 14 August 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

They totally kick the Happy Mondays' ass.

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― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 14 August 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know either

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 14 August 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the junior senior alot more than the electric six but both are overrated

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 14 August 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

hold on, Junior Senior sample the Band???

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 14 August 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

both are overrated but the electric six album actually sucks ("gay bar" excepted) unlike js (haha nice reversal for me, eh?)

saying they are better than the happy mondays is a bit like saying the fast food rockers are better than scooter or that mc fred flintstone is better than p diddy.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Electric Six quoted "Panama" in one of their songs. I forget which one, but whatever it is, it won me their luv. (See also: Man or Astro-Man, "Nitrous Burn Out")

Which leads me to conclude that E6:'80s pop-metal::MoAM:surf

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

that seems about right.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(nb: i don't like moam, either, aside from one or two songs.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew I don't know if it's a sample or just the riff but the main organ riff from "Chest Fever" pops up on track 6 of the JS album.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Tom, I can't think of anyone else sampling the Band (apart from Mercury Rev, obv)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

All this stuff sounds so half-assed!! Like WTF I'll just go listen to more Fantastic Plastic Machine and Popshopping drek instead.

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

christian bruhn on popshopping is only good track but timm thaler soundtrack better

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 14 August 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

they both benefit greatly from their videos

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 14 August 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

moodwise anthony? as in "indescribably happy"?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 August 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Fantastic Plastic Machine is really boring (I dunno unless you're a techie or someone who can appreciate how whole-assed it is. It's nowhere as catchy).

pretty much yeah, Sterling. Though sometimes the happiness is emptier sounding on tracks than it is on others.

I think "Move Your Feet" may sample or rip off "Look Of Love" by ABC.

They totally kick the Happy Monday's ass, you indie fuxx (god, yer vocals are WAY more wanky indie than Junior Senior's people).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

hey there miccio
i noticed the ABC
thing yesterday too!

it's also from
ELO's 'fire on high'
and Heads' 'with our love'

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 15 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

please stop with the stupid provocative comparisons.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, please.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"junior senior are like totally better than jesus and apple pie and your moms coochie combined."

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i listened to junior senior last night and the next minute i had a hot girlfriend and my limbs were made of gold.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

all five of them?

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i played "chicks with dicks" three times in a row and sting appeared in my mirror and gave me the power of six hour tantric orgasms.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

junior senior are way better than pretty much anything, i now live in an alley alone with my discman and i'm pretty happy, why the fuck wouldn't I be. I have the junior senior album.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the most explicit fun hating i've ever seen.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Junior Senior ft Sean Paul & Rolldeep's 'Nutters In The Gutters (Nobody Knows Beercans Like We Knows Beercans)' is released Monday

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 15 August 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

hunt down the rare 12" flexidisc for the Omnipotent Twilight Barking Minion mix fo sho

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 15 August 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard the remix and my handicap went down by 2!

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 15 August 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

junior senior are about as fun as tom kite.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 16 August 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It's hardly surprising that the Fun Elect should face the envious barbs of those left behind.

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 16 August 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but which one of you is Calvin and which John Knox?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 August 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

new from the electric six: preterite predicate.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I've stumbled across three or four different magazine articles about this duo...and every one of them has this breezy atty-tyood of "One of them is straight and one of them is gay...ain't that a hoot!?"
No. It isn't. It's irrelevant and immaterial. I only want to know what they sound like. (Nobody on WinMX or Shereaza has any tracks by them.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 16 August 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(unless I'm typing it in wrong. ??? Maybe I should look for "JR SR" or "Jr. Sr." instead of "Junior Senior")

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 16 August 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

use Soulseek instead

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 16 August 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'know...maybe all these WinMX'rs are confusing JR SR with somebody else...
like the way that any weepy, vaguely Emo-esque post-punk song gets categorized as a song by the Cure.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 16 August 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Lord C it's central to some of the songs they write so it is relevant yes.

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - 'why do people writing about Straight Outta Compton keep going on about how NWA are gangstas - it's immaterial and irrelevant!"

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Lord C it's central to some of the songs they write so it is relevant yes.
Okay. Thats a fact of which I was not aware.
The way the muso-crit article writers harped on about it, it sounded as if the writers were (choose one: trivializing|mocking) the artists. It sounded shallow and cruel.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

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Lord C it's central to some of the songs they write so it is relevant yes.
Okay. Thats a fact of which I was not aware; because I've never heard them before.
The way the muso-crit article writers harped on about it, it sounded as if the writers were (choose one: trivializing|mocking) the artists. It sounded shallow and cruel.
Like how the crits used to say "KD Lang is a musician who sounds kinda like Patsy Cline." then later on: "KD Lang is a vegetarian lesbian who sounds kinda like Patsy Cline."
< /SERVICE PATCH>

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The previous post is now protected against the W32.blaster worm

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

um, but Lang's lesbianism plays a pretty big thematic role in her music

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

how come nobody mentions it's stereototal + a fat gay party guy (and therefore great)?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

( actually i have read none of this thread so maybe somebody did mention it)

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"stereototal"
As soon as I find out what that means, I'm adding it to my vocabulary.

um, but Lang's lesbianism plays a pretty big thematic role in her music
I'll take your word for it. I haven't heard her most recent records. (But titling them "All You Can Eat" and "Drag"...suspicious...)
Hmmm. Gimme a second to articulate my muddled thoughts here...
Okay...
At the beginning of her career, the music crits would smile benignly about KD Lang vocal resemblance to Cline.
...
then officially she comes out of the closet and gets yelled at by Canadians for her vegetarianism
...
Nowadays, the music crits would chuckle (tolerantly?) about KD Lang's lesbianism and vegetarianism.* And not mention much about her music at all.
That irked me.
(Anyhow...enough about Lang. Lets get back to JR SR....)
Until Tom made it clear that the orientation of the members of Junior Senior actually came up in the songs themselves, I had assumed (yes... theres the mistake...) that the critics were mocking the musicians for no good reason.

*Note: One article I read made a comment about "Lang has only two beliefs in life...no meat will ever pass her lips...and she's also a vegetarian."
Grrrrr. Nasty-ass crits. Grrrr.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 17 August 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

um, she came out ON an album, and the anti-meat thing was well before that (circa Absolute Torch and Twang I think)

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 18 August 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, she came out in the Advocate before Ingenue. (This is why people started suddenly wonder *what* she had a "constant craving" for...)
but anyhow...enough about Lang. Let's find out more about JR SR...
< /THREAD HI-JACK>

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 18 August 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

they sound like a mash-up of every superfun iconic new wave bit you can think of. and as Tracer pointed out in his Voice review, they have great voices, esp. Junior

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 18 August 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

they're like Stereo Total with more SPIRIT and less sloppiness. Stereo Total is good (one of the few bands I can actually say I saw live and enjoyed) but Junior Senior studiowise sound like pro's in comparison.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 18 August 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I listened to the album in the record store, and I thought it was really catchy, but I had absolutely no desire to buy it even though it was on sale. I bought Ride the Lightning and Donna Summer's Greatest Hits instead. They're playing in Baltimore (and maybe other places) with Electric Six in October, so I guess now we'll all get to see which one is better.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

they're the pop martin and lewis

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

except, you know, entertaining

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

they're the pop Monster Garage!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(poss. argument against: you don't actually get to see them build their franken-machines)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

martin & lewis are totally entertaining! (like jr. sr.)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yance otm

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

who is the "Your Show of Shows" of rock, then?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

good lord - the yardbirds maybe

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

junior senior are more the Laugh-in of disco than the Martin & Lewis of rock

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"Your show of shows" = the Monkees (loads of famous writers who went on to be stars in their own right)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The Honeydrippers = "Becker"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Junior Senior is
'Welcome Back Kotter' for me
but I don't know why

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

they put the gay in gabe kaplan

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.pmpnetwork.com/gabe_kaplan/cast.jpg

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

vs.

http://www.crunchy.dk/images/juniorwebb2.jpg

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

mr. fritz wollner
if I haven't said it yet
you are my hero

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

gee thanks!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, ditto.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~lilbun/images/fritz.gif

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

the more I play D-D-Don't Don't Stop the Beat the more I am convinced it is the best album of the year that isn't Basement Jaxx

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

attaboy

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Karen O and Dick Valentine force me to say NEIN.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Karen O's got a real great EP in her that she hasn't made yet and Dick Valentine is somewhere around no. 5 on my list.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i saw them on fri nite in san francisco at bottom of the hill!! they broke my mind in the best way possible

(best thing: seeing 18-yr-old punk kid, face covered w. piercings, dancing non-ironically and going 'i know it's not punk but i can't help it...go junior! go senior! go junior! go senior!' outside the club

the 'twist n shout'/'push it' live mashup they did at the end was tops!!

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

gabbo and me had a lovely dan and ned hate going on for this upthread until he sold me down the river.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

don't fight it, feel it

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm more down with the Dick Valentine than the Junior Senior to be honest; nothing on the JS album gets me as much as "Synthesizer" or "Dance Commander". However The E6 lose fuckwads of points for doing a redo on "Danger! High Voltage" because those stupid sizzle noises all over the place make me want to smack things sometimes--the original was good, wtf. Also the extra verse on "Gay Bar" is wtf.

But the Junior Senior album is pretty good, it's just not as good as I thought it'd be based on "Move Your Feet".

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't get worked up about this album one way or another.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

here's a not-so-wild guess: I like disco more and Ally likes rock more. that might be why I like JS more than E6 and she likes E6 more than JS.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

haha the editorial assistant I just loaned it to describes it as "jazzercise on blow"! kinda accurate!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I just like Dick Valentine a lot more than I like either Junior or Senior. For the record, I don't see why Junior Senior are more disco than the E6; that was part of my disappointment with the album, it was not as dance-oriented as I hoped it'd be.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

what I meant: "rock" = emphasis on guitars and blaring mid-range sounds ("Synthesizer" could really be "Electric Guitar" except they're declaring their love for disco here, sort of flouting the rock/disco divide even though it hasn't mattered that much anywhere but the heartland--which, right, they're from, but still, not even there among people who aren't listening exclusively to classic rock radio--since 1979); "disco" = emphasis on grooves even if they're not necessarily 4/4 thump (guitar is certainly present but not quite as central sonically, horns and tambourines are just as important, plus the guitar playing seems a lot more pre-British Invasion than E6's, which are definitely post-British Invasion.)

or even simpler, "disco" = Europe, "rock" = U.S.A.

does that help any?

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I told Chuck that JrSr is the fruitiest album of the year. It's the best way I can describe it. Pure fruit dance stuff. Can't say I'm thrilled with it, though I do love the single hella much.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

But Matos, I'm still not convinced that Junior Senior are any more/less focused on grooves than E6.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm less sold on junior senior than i was a few months ago.

on the other hand the electric six album is one of the years biggest disappointments.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I really dislike the fact that the album contains recuts of the first two singles. There are several songs, especially from the second half, that need to be cut, as well.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

they're not unfocused on them at all, they're just more Euro (therefore disco, more manufactured, less band-interactive) than E6.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

Liked this record at first (I hear a spiritual connection to Andrew WK), but I listened to it the other day for the first time in a while & didn't enjoy it. Amazed at how boring it sounded outside of "Move Your Feet," which is like a good Avalanches song.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"Boy Meets Girl" is the secret massive awesome hit IMO. Second half has a lot of filler but "Chicks And Dicks," "Shake Your Coconuts," "Move Your Feet," "Rhythm Bandits" are all super classic.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 21 June 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i could never get past the first four or so songs, now i never listen to it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 21 June 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i haven't listened to this since last summer, and i doubt i will ever again. there's nothing wrong with that, though.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i got their album yesterday along with the new !!! album. after first listens i really want to put junior senior on repeat, but am kinda bored by louden up now. what this means is there's a very good chance i will grow sick of junior senior soon, but at the moment i wish !!! sounded more like them -- i was expecting to want to dance and junior senior w-w-works better

― common_person (common_person), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the DFA remix of "Shake Your Coconuts" is still absolutely monstrous.

― etc, Monday, 21 June 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

no, common_person, you were right the first time

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

er, about what? i just remember how in the past when i've indulged in a new song/album like i want to with this one, i burn out on it in a few days. utopia parkway, the apples in stereo moone album, etc. i know it's happened when i hit play and then suddenly the album's over -- wha, how'd i miss all those great songs? ohh...

the !!!, who knows whether i'll get into it or not.

― common_person (common_person), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

and really, this doesn't seem half the album those were. oh well, at least i'll get my 2 days of summer bliss, a year behind everyone else

― common_person (common_person), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I file Junior/Senior under the "led astray by ILX fux!" column right next to Kish Kash.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.rotovibe.com/images/sq3.gif

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the squirrel!

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

There is no filler on the Junior Senior album. It's only flaw is not including their Twist & Shout/Push It Medley, which is both brilliant in itself and also the perfect skeleton key equation for their entire aesthetic.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I promise to one day find out what the fuck "late 90s spybeat monobrow house" means.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ask britney spears or nissan

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Propellerheads' "History Repeating" is the seminal text, although I can't see the relationship b/w that and "Move Your Feet".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i don't really hear it either

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

gee I wonder why

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard Move Your Feet in a supermarket last week while I was waiting in line to pay a utility bill. I still think it is super pop fantastic. I don't ever think I will make an active effort to play that cd ever again, but you knew that going in and that was part of the charm.

and this is going to be a fucking DJ stormer for oldies dance nights in 2021.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'll actually want to hear it again by then

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i find it slightly scary that so much of my mon micro/grime electronic dance enjoyment last year seemed to slot onto the queer eye for the straight guy ost

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

that is because gay is the new black.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i am subconsciously upwardly mobile

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

surprising for a guy who buys his dress shirts at old navy

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i find it slightly scary that so much of my mon micro/grime electronic dance enjoyment last year seemed to slot onto the queer eye for the straight guy ost

hahaha so true AND the soundtrack to that last warner bros cartoon movie, whatever it was called with brendan fraser and friends

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

the dfa remix of coconuts never really did it for me, i didn't like how it kept avoiding the chorus, i guess that was the point but it felt like it never really broke out of the gate

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

is their "twist & shout"/"push it" medley available anywhere? managed to see/hear it thanks to xfm, but not in an easily uh stealable/distributable form.

― etc, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wish these albums that sound great for 2 or 3 spins and then gather dust didn't cost $15. I need to get a broadband connection!

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread has made me remember to hate Junior Senior more.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

it's done the complete opposite from me, as usual

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

FOR me, pardon

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos OTM. Just put "Shake Your Coconuts" on a mixtape today and side 1 has aged just loverly for me.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

you know i just picked the junior senior album up for a mere 3 quid and its a lot better than the one hit wonder tag would have you believe. in fact i really grew to hate the big hit .. but spread amongst the rest of the album i can quite easily see this album being spun a lot over next few weeks.

and with the Go! Team reviving the ultra nasty lo-fi production techniques,could it be that the junior senior album has suddenly been given a new lease of life ?

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 7 January 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Hah i just picked it up for 95p.

it's really fun. The sun is out and i'm tired from a nights dancing. This is great!

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to this again a few weeks ago and enjoyed it a little less than when it first came out, but it's still fun. A ton of it seemed like an homage to the late 70s obsesssion with the 50s--John Lennon's Rock n Roll, Stray Cats, Happy Days.

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0009A494E.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Is the new album going to get a UK/US release by the end of 2005? I know Japan and Denmark have it already. And it is so very wonderful, all heartwhirling sunshine crescendos and rather a lot better than the last one (which was still great). End-of-year top 5 EASILY (if I decide to do an end of year top 5)

― Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Sunday, 25 September 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

Senior's not looking so um senior anymore!

Awesome cover. I'm lookign forward to this immensely.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 25 September 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

it is very very good. i strongly prefer it to the first album.

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 25 September 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

i like it too! i do think it's a bit uh much. but i guess that's the point.

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

they clearly come from a universe where wham! and the velvet underground have traded places

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

ANDREW RIDGELEY'S DEAD?!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

White on white translucent tank tops
Back on the rack
Andrew Ridgeley's dead

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

i consider it junior senior's patriotic duty to give me a "waiting for teh man"/"wake me up before u go go" mash up

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

how can you hate on the late 90s in 2003 only to champion the early 00s craze for horrible bootlegs 2 years later!

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

...

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

"how can you not hold the same opinions you did when you were a stoned 18 year old?"

"why do you not feel the same way you did during your first marriage?"

"i can't belive you don't feel exactly as you did pre-grade school."

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

the evolution of my thoughts on junior senior blooms right before our eyes on this very thread

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

haha we're still all here on ilm

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

haha

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

full circle!

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

actuallly no, i guess full circle would be me hating them again

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

hakuna matata

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

oh wait xpost youre too damn fast jess!

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

its true its only half circle tho because im more resistent to the twee dated charms of this 2nd album whereas i loved the first one

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

i've had a lot of coffee this moring

xpost: i have only listened to the album a few times. i think my officemates are annoyed by it.

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

i like the song that sounds like 'shiny happy people' but the one about 'we are the handclaps'.... .... .. .i dont know

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

haha my eyes are on stalks late late at nite, whoah its like were on seperate hemispheres or something

― minna (minna), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

apparently there's a jnr sr remix of beck's "girl" out there somewhere. i'd like to hear it. anybody got it, or able to confirm its existence?

― jermainetwo, Sunday, 29 April 2007 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

The second album has only just been released in Australia. Still need to get it.

― Tim F, Sunday, 29 April 2007 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

Karen O's got a real great EP in her

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

NEW EP: PURE RAT ATTACK
12" SINGLE: POTASSIUM RAT JUICE
B/W: REMIX: POSSUM HATE
SPLIT SINGLE W/RAPTURE: I'M THE RATPURE, HE'S THE DJ
SPLIT SINGLE W/JUNIOR SENIOR: WE ROX, ONE OF THEM IS GAY

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

this is another point of agreement between me and jess then, i hate the junior boys (nb only heard the irritant which is 'move your feet') (unless he changed his mind in the 223 posts i didn't read)

― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 April 2007 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Junior Senior != Junior Boys

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 April 2007 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

yes i know! gah. i hate junior senior, i love junior boys.

― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 April 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

any thoughts on new 7 song ep, "say hello wave goodbye"? judging from the samples at http://www.klicktrack.com/shop/release.jsp?r=41030&tn=2, all the songs sound like 'take on me'. sort of.

― jermainetwo, Monday, 20 August 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)

Their two-year-old album is finally getting a release here in the States this week. Why'd it take so long?

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 20 August 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

it took that long to put it out here.

― s1ocki, Monday, 20 August 2007 02:34 (eighteen years ago)

In other news, the video for Move Your Feet has singlehandedly cured my hangover.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 20 August 2007 02:35 (eighteen years ago)

new jr sr sounds like apples in stereo

― and what, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

http://www.myspace.com/jeppe

"Senior" did a cover of "Johnny Come Home" by FYC and, um...it sounds like "Senior" doing a cover of "Johnny Come Home."

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder how it would sound if Junior did it instead.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

SING SING SING MY SONG
SING SING SING ALONG
LOL 2003
AAHHHHH YEAH

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

Any of y'all ever heard the band they were in together in the '90s, Ludo X? Listening to the sole album that was released just now, it's clear where they were headed. It's also clear it was going to take them a few more years to get there.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:29 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

favorite thing right now:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5932757/junior_senior_move_your_feet_hd_recreation/

― skip, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:08 (fourteen years ago)

Wow, that guy did a lot of work!

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:11 (fourteen years ago)

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