CURRENT "BLACK FLAG" tour

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Honestly, everyone predicted these shows would be terrible, seeing as Greg Ginn wasn't involved.. and it was the Rollins Band backing up Henry and Keith Morris, but it was fantastic. I encourage anyone who can, to go see these shows, I know they played Boston last night and NYC the week before.
The ticket money also goes to a good cause.
(Mine was ~20 bux)

They opened with Nervous breakdown (Morris on vocals) and the rest of the show was just a lot of fun. They played tv party, jealous again, revenge, six pack, wasted again, rise above, thirsty and miserable, gimme gimme gimme, and more.

sarah mccormick (unsarah), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

Jealous. Did they do any songs w/ Morris and Rollins?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

I've been on the fence about it... I think I'll go, just to see Keith Morris.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:34 (twenty years ago) link

You won't be sorry if you go!


Jon, I had to leave early but while i was there they didn't team up.

Perhaps during the encore.

sarah mccormick (unsarah), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

I support the cause (the West Memphis Three), but a nostalgia tour is a nostalgia tour is a nostalgia tour. I loved Black Flag (well, up through My War, anyway) and was fortunate to see them back in `86 (despite the show not being that stupendous), but this just seems like something that never should've happened....right up there with the DK's tour with Brandoz "Eddie" Cruz. Call me an idealist, but it just seems to undermine everything that was different about them in the first place.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

Greg Ginn wants a reunion.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

Let the kids have thier fun.

sarah mccormick (unsarah), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

Wasn't there a link posted a couple of weeks back around here that stated Greg Ginn was getting the Flag back together to raise money for some animal group (like saving cats or something of the sort)?

earlnash, Monday, 16 June 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

hahahahah.
yes, he loves cats!
animal rescue and the likes.

jon, thats not telling the whole story.

here!
http://www.citizinemag.com/music/music-0306_gregginn1.htm

sarah mccormick (unsarah), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Sounds like last year's Sammy Hagar/David Lee Roth tour, or the DK's without Jello, or Pete and Roger insisting they're still the Who. Sure, it's "good" (as in professionally competent and nominally entertaining), but it's still a cover band.

PS when the fuck did they become "The Flag"?

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

veryone predicted these shows would be terrible, seeing as Greg Ginn wasn't involved

I love how Ginn is canonized for Black Flag. Seriously there's like 3 albums worth of good material with him and then it starts falling to shit. Anybody wanna hear "Loose Nut"? For that matter, how about some Gone? Mojack? Fast Gato? HOR?

He's a wanker, get over it.

mosurock (mosurock), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

He's a wanker, get over it.

dude, you totally fucked up the status quo.

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 16 June 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, aren't there two "Black Flag"s right now? The Ginn one and the Rollins one? This is almost as hilarious as when there were two Christian Deaths several years ago...(and the fact that both were signed to Cleopatra records made it even more hilarious.)

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 16 June 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

This is "Rollins Band playing the music of Black Flag" as opposed to "Greg Ginn and friends playing the music of Black Flag" so its not totally lame. I heard the only thing keeping the real reunion from happening is Chuck Dukowski is MIA.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 16 June 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

"chuck" is too busy shopping at the whole foods rolling in his benzo for the rock.

what about robo and dez playing with jerry and the misfits, they play jealous again and tv party with dez on vox.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 June 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

Everything is fucked.

sarah mccormick (unsarah), Monday, 16 June 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

yes--lovely, innit?

Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 23 June 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

yeah - the dez/robo "black flag" toured a few summers ago.
they should all get together and fight it out, like wrestlemania or something!

j fail (cenotaph), Monday, 23 June 2003 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

Is Rollins the only ex-Flagger that pumps iron?
If not, Ginn should be taking Kung Fu lessons.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 23 June 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

he has to keep in shape to keep all the cop roles he takes in stupid movies.

he is, for certain, the only ex-flagger to have dated kari whurer (sp?).

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 23 June 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Who's in the band for the "first four years" reunion show at the Hollywood Palladium in September? It's the Greg band, but what about Chuck? Drums? Is Dez going to play guitar?

dan (dan), Monday, 23 June 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

nine years pass...

http://www.hevy.co.uk/

Wait, what now?

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 25 January 2013 11:14 (eleven years ago) link

there's another version of Black Flag just called Flag w/ Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson and Stephen Egerton from the Descendents etc. competing versions of the same band are never not funny (as noted above) but I would actually go and see the Morris etc one

Crack On, Have A Booze (with Manda Rin) (DJ Mencap), Friday, 25 January 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago) link

I think there's definitely an argument that says if it's not Chuck then it's not Black Flag.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 25 January 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link

Would agree with that argument (though I have time for Flag's post-My War LPs). Ron's a sweetheart, and the show he played for his 50th, with Ginn appearing for the encore, looked like lots of fun. But the 2003 "reunion" was so so so so very bad. Wonder if Ginn's going to use a tape recording of himself playing bass again this time.

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link

[important: by '2003 reunion' i mean ginn's charity show for the cat rescue place, not the rollins-related WM3 reunion]

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2013 12:28 (eleven years ago) link

Again with the reuniting. http://www.nme.com/news/black-flag/68356

Maria Tesla Pizzeria, Friday, 25 January 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

perhaps naively, am stunned at how poorly written even a simple news story is on the NME website

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

Brendan ‏@oneillb1

@maggieserota We've got nothing better to do/Than to browse Netflix and add shows to our queue #TVParty2013

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson and Stephen Egerton from the Descendents etc

ok this is awesome in part for the fact that morris and stevenson were from totally different eras of the band

da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link

def. they all knew each other back in the day though...

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

i hope it means you get to hear keith singing my war

da croupier, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

as one of the flag singers treated worst by the group/ginn after leaving, he'd be within his rights to sing it!

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:59 (eleven years ago) link

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/150623_10151667742114428_1628686654_n.jpg

what a shitshow

am0n, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

FREE CAMPING

am0n, Thursday, 31 January 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

lol

am0n, Thursday, 31 January 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

lol that muddy roots fest! every band name is golden.

tylerw, Thursday, 31 January 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

Joe Buck Yourself

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 31 January 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

Cutthroat Shamrock

am0n, Thursday, 31 January 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv0lg-LklZk

am0n, Friday, 1 February 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

Wow Bill is fat!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 1 February 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/flag-reunites-black-flag-veterans-20130207

I also understand that another former Black Flag member has just signed on with Flag.

Chuck Dukowski: We'd been talking about bringing Dez [Cadena] in too, so we brought Dez in.

☏ (am0n), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha awesome

SOYLENT GREEN IS SHEEPLE (stevie), Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/bp/black-flag.jpg

got to tip the hat to the brooklynvegan commenter who noticed that Greg is wearing a Bassnectar (the Black Flag of brostep) shirt in this photo

congo nattefrost (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 May 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link

Black Flag put up a new song for download, and if that wasn’t an odd enough sentence on its own, they also offered some fighting words for Flag. They posted “***note: not to be confused with the ‘fake’ Flag band currently covering the songs of BLACK FLAG in an embarrassingly weak “mailing it in” fashion*** We urge you to check out the real BLACK FLAG when they hit your area.”

curmudgeon, Friday, 3 May 2013 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

which of these black flags will be better live I wonder.

BF is playing Oakland when I'm planning on being in fucking Europe. maybe I need to rejigger my vacation plans.

akm, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:11 (eleven years ago) link

"C'mon, let's go see the creepy old cat man dance around."

"...uh, yeah, the Eiffel Tower!"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link

The new song is pretty much crap.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 May 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

It's horrible

jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 May 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

have a link to the new song?

Poliopolice, Friday, 3 May 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

thanks!

Poliopolice, Friday, 3 May 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link

who's the fingerguns dude? actually, I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

Poliopolice, Friday, 3 May 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

thanks!

― Poliopolice, Friday, May 3, 2013 1:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha you may rescind this after you listen

jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 May 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't think it was that bad, actually! they have far worse songs in their catalog than this.

Poliopolice, Friday, 3 May 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

Ron Reyes is in the front. The other two guys have never been in Black Flag before now, as opposed to FLAG which features 100% former members.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 May 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

who's the fingerguns dude? actually, I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

― Poliopolice, Friday, May 3, 2013 6:56 PM (7

that's singer Ron Reyes to Ginn's left and I guess one of 'em is drummer Gregory Moore, and the other is a bass player, I think.

curmudgeon, Friday, 3 May 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

for a second I was scared red-pants dude was one of the MacDonald/Redd Kross bros

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 May 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

Fingerguns dude looks like he just quit a punk rock barbershop quartet.

You can fondle the cube but it will not respond. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:06 (eleven years ago) link

Imagine if they called it Dead in the Dirt, and Dead in the Dirt could sue them for cashing in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cllIgKFydAw

bendy, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:33 (eleven years ago) link

hoo that'd be rich

bendy, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:33 (eleven years ago) link

they have far worse songs in their catalog than this.

they have 'as bad' and they have 'worse' but they do not have 'far worse' than this.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Saturday, 4 May 2013 08:51 (eleven years ago) link

Slip It In (the song) is genuinely terrible. I would call that far worse.

Poliopolice, Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link

wtf slip it in is awesome

adam, Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link

The weird frat boy macho shit is embarrassing

Poliopolice, Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

Slip It In (the song) is genuinely terrible. I would call that far worse.

Slip It In is a truly repellent lyric, I agree. It's set to a totally awesome riff and hook, which redeems it as far as a lyric like that could be redeemed, which is not very far.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link

What does this portend for Ginn's jamband, Jambang!!?!?!?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 May 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

Hey Stevie-- did you write that Black Flag book? It's really good!

Poliopolice, Saturday, 4 May 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

Greg Ginn IS Black Flag. There's a thing on ILX like he's such a dick and just a figure of ridicule which is just baffling to me. He doesn't wanna be your friend or do what you want him to do. Until now. Greg Ginn - there's nobody more entitled to play Black Flag songs till the day he dies. The fact that he's been pretty reluctant to get out and do that makes this all the better. Or are we just supposed to say that Black Flag songs shall never be performed because they will never live up to everyone's interpretations of what "Black Flag" is? Whatever you think "Black Flag" is, there's nothing that's going to live up to it. But if you love Black Flag's music then there is a good chance that this will be really fun.

Ron Reyes is still full of energy and is a great performer. And because it's Ron, they will likely favour the earlier material - a bonus. So I'm going to defend this reunion. This is going to stand or fall based on the quality of the music and the show. I'd rather see this than have Ginn go out with Rollins anyday. This has more credibility than the recent Kraftwerk shows (one member, three tools, lots of miming) but I won't deny that thousands had a great time at the shows. This is the voice and the distinctive guitarist of Black Flag. They're the Page&Plant of LA punk. Assuming they can actually do it (and they proved they could last year btw).

everything, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

There's a thing on ILX like he's such a dick

Also, IRL.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

He's not trying to live up to your expectations. Or did you not pick that up from the songs?

everything, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

I have no expectations from Greg Ginn, other than that he either pay the bands he signed to his label or give them back their masters.

Greg Ginn's sound/style is certainly identifiable and fairly integral to BF's sound, but it CAN BE replicated. He likes to pretend every member from every era of Black Flag is disposable. Well, he is too.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

So what's your point? He's not allowed to play these songs because he can be replicated?

everything, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

He DID write them, yknow.

everything, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

What's YOUR point? He wrote "note: not to be confused with the ‘fake’ Flag band currently covering the songs of BLACK FLAG in an embarrassingly weak “mailing it in” fashion*** We urge you to check out the real BLACK FLAG when they hit your area."

FLAG is every bit as real as the current Black Flag is and he knows it and he can't stand it and now he's being a fucking baby AS USUAL. He can play whatever the fuck he wants with Reyes and two hired hands, but I think most people who've ever loved Black Flag for any portion of their lives are aware Ginn is an asshole and would rather see a version of the band that seems like a natural good time instead of one that looks like a fucking cashgrab. I'll let you decide which one I think is which.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 4 May 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

Hey Stevie-- did you write that Black Flag book? It's really good!

i did! and thank you!

black flag *is greg ginn. it's his band, his vision, and it mostly always has been. really don't like the new song, though, but didn't imagine i would, and don't know if i'd really want to see this version of black flag, going by what i heard about greg's bf reunion show in the early 00s, though ron is one of my favourite flag singers, and i'm sure the show would be fun. would love to see Flag though - chuck dukowki's own sextet and keith's OFF! are excellent, too.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Saturday, 4 May 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

So I've listened to this song a few more times and my opinion hasn't really changed. It seems like a perfectly decent song, far from from awful, and probably better than I would have expected. If I could change anything, it would probably be the vox, which sound kinda silly. At the very least, i'd reduce them significantly in the mix. They seem far too loud. The guitar riff is pretty cool and should be louder.

Poliopolice, Saturday, 4 May 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

I think most people who've ever loved Black Flag for any portion of their lives are aware Ginn is an asshole

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

everything, Saturday, 4 May 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

I'm certainly not one to tow the ILM line on anything, but I think it's true that a lot of people (even fans) think Greg Ginn is an asshole-- certainly a lot of his ex-bandmates think that. He's withheld money from bands, jealously guarded master tapes, is religious about removing Black Flag videos from Youtube (like rare concert footage), etc. But that doesn't have much to do with the music, although I think it does say something that he's been the only constant member of that band. Doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does, or that he isn't a true pioneer in the field. It's just that a lot of people have found him personally hard to deal with.

Poliopolice, Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

You should check out Stevie's book. It's not an anti-Ginn book by any means, but you get a certain impression of Ginn as someone who isn't that diplomatic or interested in empathizing with others.

http://amzn.com/1604864184

Poliopolice, Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link

hey everything I know plenty of people from the old school SST/Pedro scene who think Ginn sucks too, people who don't even know what ILM is (see Tom Troccoli's posts on this board, etc.). I hear your arguments about his own catalog how he has the right to play it, but as long as he continues to fuck over everybody who ever released a record on his label who can't afford the legal fees to buy their rights back, your arguments are as weak as Ginn's output for the last 20 years.

also, it's TOE the line, polio.

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago) link

Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world

If you think enmity towards Ginn is limited to ILM then you must be crazy high.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 5 May 2013 07:47 (eleven years ago) link

Even Greg's own brother can't stand him.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Sunday, 5 May 2013 07:54 (eleven years ago) link

he was one of the first on that bandwagon, too.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 5 May 2013 08:29 (eleven years ago) link

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

― everything, Saturday, May 4, 2013 11:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love the use of "the real world" here

gonna log out of my ILX ivory tower and hang out at construction sites for truly clued in Black Flag debate

congo nattefrost (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 5 May 2013 08:58 (eleven years ago) link

can't speak for anyone else posting itt but I can 500% guarantee that if I had never read or posted to this board I would still be aware of what lots and lots of ppl think about Greg Ginn

congo nattefrost (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 5 May 2013 08:59 (eleven years ago) link

<i>as opposed to FLAG which features 100% former members.</i>
Except for Edgerton.

If Ginn, Dukowski or any of these guys want to ruin their legacies or play in pathetic cover bands, I'll check it out.

Mike Dixn, Sunday, 5 May 2013 13:04 (eleven years ago) link

It's not a great tune, but that new song does sound like Black Flag and you can tell it's Greg Ginn on guitar.

Out of curiosity I went and looked up for some video of Flag!!!! with Keith Morris. Check out every other person with a cell phone or camera filming the band. Wacky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZt8yiwN-o

earlnash, Sunday, 5 May 2013 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

I'm holding out for the IRL not-asshole super group of Ginn/Don Henley/Mike Love/Lou Reed and a few other assholes. I mean, non-assholes. I was thinking ILX, not IRL.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 5 May 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Fuck this clown forever.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 4 August 2013 08:14 (ten years ago) link

I'm supposed to see Flag at FYF Fest in a couple of weeks. Only way this could get sillier is if a cease and desist was served on stage.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 4 August 2013 09:38 (ten years ago) link

Black Flag sues Henry Rollins for copyright infringement, demands immediate amputation of his left upper arm, neck

all other cassettes are better off crushed (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 4 August 2013 10:16 (ten years ago) link

Oh please, Oh please, Oh please Keith, just name the band 'Fuck Greg Ginn' and call it a day.

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 4 August 2013 14:59 (ten years ago) link

In what is probably the only time in my life I'd ever advocate for a corporation suing a person, I would like to see the manufacturers of Black Flag bug spray sue the shit out of Greg Ginn (and win!).

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 4 August 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link

What a prick. Raymond Pettibon came up with the name and the logo for Black Flag anyway. Wonder if Ginn ever paid his brother anything for that.

brio, Sunday, 4 August 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link

They fell out in the mid-80s after Pettibon discovered SST types cutting up his original artwork for flyers and such. Be surprised if he's seen a single dollar from his work (a common SST complaint).

There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets. (stevie), Sunday, 4 August 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link

Yeah i remember them talking about why RP fell out with Flag in this - but I can't recall if they said he was ever paid even a token sum for the name or logo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0u04EqNVjo

brio, Sunday, 4 August 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

He's properly minted now, of course, so I'm sure he's not too bothered!

There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets. (stevie), Sunday, 4 August 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link

for sure - just the principle of the thing, with ginn suing over the value of the name & logo

brio, Sunday, 4 August 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link

Let the cats claw you to hell - you silly cunt.

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Sunday, 4 August 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link

God I hope they counter-sue for royalties from (as Ginn's suit says) "over one million units sold"

Oblique Strategies, Sunday, 4 August 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link

^^

am0n, Monday, 5 August 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.spin.com/articles/flag-black-greg-ginn-lawsuit-won-keith-morris-henry-rollins/

verdict: rollins never quit the band

ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Friday, 11 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link

and Ginn lost

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 October 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link

love the comments

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Friday, 11 October 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link

that artwork is hideous, and would be even if it was a NOFX or Less Than Jake album cover....

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link

I have a feeling that cover perfectly encapsulates the music within.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link

this is the REAL FLAG!

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link

This is what happens when you burn bridges with your infinitely more talented brother, I guess.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link

btw I went to the Flag reunion and Pettibon designed an (awesome) new tour t-shirt for them that was on sale

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:39 (ten years ago) link

This one?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1401385_646393225405340_1520880077_o.jpg

I love that one part of the whole attitude of FLAG is seeing how much they can get under Greg Ginn's skin.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:53 (ten years ago) link

oh fuck I want that tee shirt

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Thursday, 24 October 2013 07:40 (ten years ago) link

can you post whatever that is? link requires facebook

ͼѾͽ (sic), Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:18 (ten years ago) link

Link doesn't work even if you have an FB account fwiw

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:44 (ten years ago) link

Ah - it was the My War sleeve with WHAT THE HELL printed on top of it in a box, like the recent Bowie sleeve.

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:51 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hey this record sucks ass

Bart get out I'm piss (am0n), Monday, 11 November 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link

what you don't believe me?

http://www.stereogum.com/1554272/stream-black-flag-what-the/mp3s/album-stream/

Bart get out I'm piss (am0n), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link

You're fine, I believe you

Vic Arpeggio, Private Investigator (stevie), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Black Flag vocalist Ron Reyes has parted ways with the currently revived incarnation of the legendary punk act. In a post to his Facebook page earlier this evening, Ron reveals that he was fired on stage at the November 24th date of band's Australian tour and was replaced by professional skateboarder Mike Vallely.

Mike Dixn, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link

Good for Ron.

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 12:39 (ten years ago) link

He should join Flag.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link

"fired on stage" as in during the middle of a song?

"RISE ABOVE! RISE AB-"

"Ok, that's quite enough, off you go."

Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link

lol

flopson, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link

naw it should be more like an oldtimey baseball umpire

*points off stage* YOU'RE OUTTA HEAH

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link

Lol - apparently they fired him with two songs left, and finished the show with another band member on vocals. At that stage of the show, what was the point?

Sounds about as awkward as the Misfits show that Michale Graves quit the band on-stage.

Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link

He should join Flag.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:51 AM

am0n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link

On November 24th 2013 the last night of the Australian Hits and Pits tour with two songs left in the set Mike V comes on stage stares me down, takes my mic and says “You’re done, party’s over get off it’s over…” He said something else to me but it was a lie so I won’t repeat it here. So with a sense of great relief that it was finally over I left the stage and walked to the hotel room. They finished the set with Mike V on vocals. There is much more that can and perhaps should be said. But for now I will spare you the gory details. The writing was on the wall since before we played our first show. So many things went wrong from the start. I was into things like having a good drummer, rehearsing and spending time on things like beginnings and endings of songs, being a little less distracted with tour life and a little more on the ball. You know things that would make our efforts worthy of the name Black Flag… Yes it is my opinion that we fell very short indeed and the deminihing ticket sales and crowds are a testament to that. However It was made clear to me that raising these issues was tantamount to a blasphemous stab in the back to Greg. How could I question him, his efforts and hard work? How could I dare be a fan of OFF! And or be friends and a fan of Flag? I was told that I had to chose sides. But I refuse to treat someone like an infalable Pope figure. No guitarist deserves such unquestioning blind devotion. And so I have been excommunicated in a very strange fashion. I truly feel sorry for anyone who had to witness the infantile behaviour and the relentless provocation I was subjected to both on and off the stage. I regret that under such fierce provocation and taunting I sometimes responded in maners bellow my standard. I am greatful for the opportunities Greg gave me. There were some magical moments at first. I was naive enough to believe in the promise of potential. But in the end the good was no match for the overwhelming bad. It am proud of my contributions including the new album and it’s cover. Come on folks it’s only rock n roll. I would not be surprised if Mike V becomes the new singer for Black Flag. It is my opinion that they have been planing this for some time. I wish them well. Mike is a true deciple of Greg and so they have a good working relationship. And Ironicly the tension over the last weeks has brought out some of Greg’s best playing. So it could be interesting. I will miss playing with Dave Klien. He is a great kid and truly an outstanding bass player. Dave was an anchor that kept me from losing my place on a nightly basis. Trust me that was no easy task for either of us. I truly apologize for being in or more accurately “appearing” to be in competition with “Flag”. They know my heart on this matter. From the beginning I was happy for them and fully supported and understood why they would want to rock those songs and have a good time with friends and family. Yes I questioned their use of the name and logo but in no way questiond their motivation or right to do their thing. I envy them for they have succeeded in ways that were never possible with “Black Flag”. And once again for the record, I agreed to do Black Flag before I knew there was a Flag. I mean no malice towards Greg or Mike although they will most likely see things very differently. I wish them luck and prosperity. I have learned many valuable lessons this year. And these lessons will enrich my personal and musical endeavours. Cheers. Ron Reyes.

am0n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link

PARTY'S OVER, TELL THE REST OF THE CREW

Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:42 (ten years ago) link

we're probably only about two-three months removed from a pro wrestler joining the lineup

Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:43 (ten years ago) link

lol Ginn should change the name of the band to The People's Republic of North BlackFlagistan

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

it's sad, who will give us more crayon-vomit cover artwork?

Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link

greg ginn will provide

http://www.sstsuperstore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/SST359_320x320.jpg

am0n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link

Ron was one of the sweetest of the guys I interviewed for my Black Flag book, and I was, to be honest, a little sad for him that he'd taken part in the reunion. Hope he's not hit too hard by this shit-show.

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link

Hope he's not hit too hard by this shit-show.

― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:14 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fired onstage. god i hate ginn.

listening to the new one on Spotify....

honestly it's not nearly as bad as people are saying

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link

hank shteamer's review in pfork is a great read

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link

it sounds fucking terrible though! like it was recorded at a guitar center in 1998

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

When all is said and done, Black Flag were great last night.

This was my second Black Flag show since the Greg-Henry-Kira-Anthony lineup of '85, or third if you count seeing Flag last fall (Keith-Chuck-Dez-Bill-Stephen--love the zero overlap between those versions of the band!), where Keith dedicated "Jealous Again" with "Fuck you, Greg Ginn" at the end. I loved Flag, and had to miss Black Flag's Triple Rock show, but somehow they (Greg-Mike-Tyler-Brandon) decided to swing through the Twin Cities again this summer, and played a relatively uncrowded gig at the Amsterdam in St. Paul last night.

I liked what I took to be new songs, one from the band Good For You that people chanted for, "Fucked Up." Ginn joined us in the pit for slamming during the closer "Louie Louie." He played theremin during some guitar solos. He came out and talked to everyone afterward. Maybe that's all standard, but he and the band seemed to be happy and having a blast. I thought the singer and bass player were great. The drummer was hummingbird light, easy with the shifts in tempo of those songs, and I loved being able to hear each snare beat individually and almost melodically. The respect for these songs was obvious.

Honestly, I really think only Ginn can play this way, which I knew going in to Flag, but really felt in the splatter of solos and guitar lines last night. Flag doing "Depression" with Keith on vocals was a special thing, but so was Greg playing that line, on a song about something he obviously struggled with.

Peter Scholtes, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link

Nearly everyone hates what Ginn is doing these days but Peter...

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 13:26 (nine years ago) link

Well, this Black Flag has only been playing shows since May 15. If they'd sprung up out of nowhere, I'd say, "Go see this great new hardcore-punk-funk band with a theremin." But obviously the songbook is central and inescapable. If anything, Mike seems slightly wary of the audience, maybe for that reason, and hides in the songs. But the difference from the lineup of a year ago (at least judging by Youtube) becomes obvious on a song like "Depression," where the new drummer actually plays the fill.

Peter Scholtes, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Flag were so great last night. I've never slamdanced with such a grin on my face. I didn't realize how badly I needed to hear "Rise Above" live.

I started a "Fuck Greg Ginn" chant after Keith Morris said "we're being forced to tour under this name because of the way we were treated by this one complete asshole" or something like that.

do they always put the setlist in a very visible place on the drum kit? that was a little weird, knowing in advance the songs....probably to stop fanboys from shouting out requests

Neanderthal, Monday, 11 July 2016 12:43 (seven years ago) link

Hmm I have been debating going to see Flag in August but wasn't sure as it isn't cheap.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 11 July 2016 13:24 (seven years ago) link

yeah I saw em a couple years ago on the first tour and honestly I was so happy it "felt" like Black Flag in a way I doubt any of these official Ginn weird lineups did.....the Descendents dude had Ginn's guitar sound and riffs DOWN

Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 July 2016 14:11 (seven years ago) link

Setlist large and visible, well if you were upfront in DC. A great oldies but goodies set from Flag.

curmudgeon, Monday, 11 July 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

going to see Black Flag (w/ Ginn) tonight. if i had a choice between Flag and Black Flag I'd probably choose Flag, mostly because my "fuck Greg Ginn" chant wouldn't get me thrown out of that show, and well....Ginn is a dicknugget. But I don't and I want to hear these songs. so I'll tell you if it's terrible. apparently no more theremin solos though so...there's...that.

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link

i passed on this in the bay area; a friend went and said it was very tame.

akm, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 02:03 (four years ago) link

Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.

I don't expect it to be life-changing but we will see

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 02:08 (four years ago) link

Pre show music has been all Rat Pack and "Que Sera Sera".

Fail. Now i want a crooner show. It's cold and badly lit. Bring on the glasses of fake rum

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:07 (four years ago) link

I mean Ginn you're not THAT old

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:08 (four years ago) link

i'm really curious as to how his guitar playing's held up through his long period of jambandery

Corduroy Stridulations (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link

One Phish lick and i am setting this bar ablaze

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:14 (four years ago) link

I left 30 minutes in. Complete garbage

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:43 (four years ago) link

Ginn sounds fine. Vallely is a charisma vacuum of a vocalist, the sound was quieter than the opening act, and all half the crowd did was stand around and film it

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:45 (four years ago) link

If you have seen FLAG tour...you have seen a much better show. I actually moshed with kids half my age at that shit. This was like Kids Bop Black Flag

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:55 (four years ago) link

Keith Morris is pretty scathing about being involved in the original reunion with Ginn as Black Flag.
Says Ginn wanted to slow down tempos on everything. & saw Korn as a model for what a band should sound like.

Also that he went in expecting Chuck Dukowski and other exmembers to join but Ginn was against that from the start.
In fact seems weird that rin reyes would agree to apparently replace him. Might have thought he would have heard the negative from somewhere before joining.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link

lol. i did feel like a few tempos were slower. some people were going nuts over the music and i'm like far be it for me to like shit on something you like but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

but dear lord he could really improve things tenfold just by HIRING BACK ONE OF HIS ORIGINAL FRONTMEN, omg, Vallely sucks and he's also 3 feet tall so I couldn't see him over people's heads half the night

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 05:31 (four years ago) link

How many of his original frontmen would want the job at this point, seeing how Reyes was treated

I'm pretty sure I'd rather see the Chuck Dukowski Sextet live than GinnFlag

Corduroy Stridulations (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 06:03 (four years ago) link

Yeah you would. I had so much more fun at Flag. I'd rather listen to farts than Ginn

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 06:34 (four years ago) link

I don't think Mike Vallely is short. Google says he's 5' 10".

More importantly, googling that led me to his skate videos, which are just as great as I remember.

JRN, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 06:49 (four years ago) link

It was probably a perspective issue with the stage, which wasn't raised much. From where i was standing, Ginn didn't look tall but I remembered he's like 6'5 or something. So Vallely obv would have looked much shorter in comparison despite not being Danzig-sized.

So I'll strike my fake news height comments, but vocals are definitely not his thing. He wasn't unusually bad, but it sounded like karaoke. Everybody could play their instruments but it felt so perfunctory.

The songs that worked best were post-My War tunes

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 07:32 (four years ago) link

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal) at 9:08 21 Jan 20
Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.
When he played around here a few months ago, it was at a place outside of town I'd never heard of before that is both a "cantina" and a "rockin' sushi bar". Which might not be so bad - I dont want to disparage this place I've never been! It is apparently the place where versions of old hair metal and nu metal bands stop in, so Stryper, L.A. Guns, Lynch Mob, Great White, and (hed)pe have all made regular tour stops there in recent years, according to setlists.fm

☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:56 (four years ago) link

FLAG is actually pretty damn good, aged and cobbled together as it is. Saw em last year and had a lot of fun. Descendent’s guitarist totally nails the classic Ginn guitar sound, gnarly ass solos and all.

I’ve heard nothing but sad things about the “Black Flag” incarnation.

circa1916, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:16 (four years ago) link

that's the other thing, Keith talked to the crowd. there was no communication with the crowd last night. not once.

the guitar also was very clean sounding. if the guitar was dialed down a smidge more, I'd have been at a Minutemen show. which is great, if they're The Minutemen playing Minutemen songs, not so much when you're a noisy-meedly-weedly punk band

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link

but the thing that made me leave was the constant stream of assholes who kept rudely shoving (or trying to shove) by me to get to the front, until I spread my shoulders and cut off all entry points behind me. how the hell can you watch a show when you're constantly having your space invaded? only to come back minutes later so you have to do the whole charade again.

that's more a discussion for the show etiquette thread though.

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link

Also, in regards to the ‘peace, man’ post, Fish Head Cantina is about as lame and shitty as you would expect it to be. The fact that the Ginn & Crew version were playing there told me enough about what to expect.

circa1916, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link

lol. I liked the place last night, but it's a place you go to have good beer with friends near the beach. it's horrible for a concert.

the place they're playing this weekend? a local Cafe/restaurant that has poker games and is equally awkward. these are teh places they're playing.

Flag, on the other hand, played the State Theater in St Pete and the shit sold out or damn close.

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

Corduroy Stridulations (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:18 (four years ago) link

You would think. It might also be intentional on Ginn's part. They just got announced as playing this big festival here in Sept that fuckin Judas Priest is playing at so clearly the ability is there.

But on the other hand, sales are so shit to Saturday's show, the owner of the venue walked into one of my best friends' cat cafes and just gave him two tickets (which are going for $35 even though it's literally at a restaurant).

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

My friend has zero interest in punk rock or Black Flag either

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

Hell even the current version of the Cro Mags is playing bigger venues here

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link

Ugh it's all so dire

So many sentences in the world of punk rock begin with "If Greg Ginn wasn't such an asshole..."

Corduroy Stridulations (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:31 (four years ago) link

Like when Saint Vitus albums were out of print for decades but no one else could reissue them, and probably almost every other SST band

Corduroy Stridulations (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:32 (four years ago) link

yup :(

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:49 (four years ago) link

it's also been easy for me to forget in today's easy access media era how much it sucked when you wanted to hear an album and you legitimately had no way to fuckin hear it other than buying a used cd or vinyl in an eBay auction and paying way more than it was worth.

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:52 (four years ago) link

and hoping the cd you got wasn't a damn cd-r

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:52 (four years ago) link

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.


I mean that’s kinda what the other iteration is doing. They just don’t have the name. I saw Flag as one of the headliners for a 3 day punk festival and the crowd ate it up.

circa1916, Thursday, 23 January 2020 03:15 (four years ago) link

yeah "Gimme Gimme Gimme" was loud and raucous at Flag.

yesterday it was 30% slower than usual and it sounded like four people dicking around on it at a Sam Ash.

I also left because I refused to hear them mangle "Rise Above" or "Damaged I". they were just getting to "Six Pack" when I was leaving and someone screamed 'THIS IS THE SHIT THAT STARTED IT ALL' but he was in the bar and you can barely hear or see the show from there so...i had no idea why he was excited.

i might have left earlier if it wasn't 30 degrees outside. us Floridians cannot handle cold.

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 03:22 (four years ago) link

When he played around here a few months ago, it was at a place outside of town I'd never heard of before that is both a "cantina" and a "rockin' sushi bar". Which might not be so bad - I dont want to disparage this place I've never been! ...

― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:56 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

So a Guy Fieri restaurant!?

S-, Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:48 (four years ago) link

it's weird, they played in London recently at the Electric Ballroom with Total Chaos (I mean yeah that's not a good band but they aren't unpopular) supporting. the Electric Ballroom also coincidentally where the Circle Jerks are playing this year. so it seems like they are playing appropriate venues over here

(I didn't go, because of everything I've ever read about this incarnation of Black Flag)

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 23 January 2020 08:06 (four years ago) link

maybe Dukowski is still booking their US tours but he's just trying to fuck with them

Corduroy Stridulations (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:53 (four years ago) link

but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

― Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal)

i do believe that if greg ginn died, you'd notice a difference, because a lot of people would suddenly be in a celebratory mood.

revenge of the jawn (rushomancy), Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link

Might even crack open a

i've seen no good people (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link

LOL

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link

bwaha

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 04:29 (four years ago) link

Out At The Store Today
Saw Black Flag Coupon On A Vitamin Rack
A Little Voice Inside My Head Said:
"Don't Forget The Cheese, Your Wife Asked For Monterey Jack..."

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 05:07 (four years ago) link

*to self*
“well shit. i wasnt gonna go but I do need multivitamins...”

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 05:33 (four years ago) link


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