CURRENT "BLACK FLAG" tour

Jon, I had to leave early but while i was there they didn't team up.

Perhaps during the encore.

jon, thats not telling the whole story.

here!
http://www.citizinemag.com/music/music-0306_gregginn1.htm

PS when the fuck did they become "The Flag"?

I love how Ginn is canonized for Black Flag. Seriously there's like 3 albums worth of good material with him and then it starts falling to shit. Anybody wanna hear "Loose Nut"? For that matter, how about some Gone? Mojack? Fast Gato? HOR?

He's a wanker, get over it.

dude, you totally fucked up the status quo.

what about robo and dez playing with jerry and the misfits, they play jealous again and tv party with dez on vox.

he is, for certain, the only ex-flagger to have dated kari whurer (sp?).

http://www.hevy.co.uk/

Wait, what now?

there's another version of Black Flag just called Flag w/ Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson and Stephen Egerton from the Descendents etc. competing versions of the same band are never not funny (as noted above) but I would actually go and see the Morris etc one

I think there's definitely an argument that says if it's not Chuck then it's not Black Flag.

Would agree with that argument (though I have time for Flag's post-My War LPs). Ron's a sweetheart, and the show he played for his 50th, with Ginn appearing for the encore, looked like lots of fun. But the 2003 "reunion" was so so so so very bad. Wonder if Ginn's going to use a tape recording of himself playing bass again this time.

[important: by '2003 reunion' i mean ginn's charity show for the cat rescue place, not the rollins-related WM3 reunion]

Again with the reuniting. http://www.nme.com/news/black-flag/68356

perhaps naively, am stunned at how poorly written even a simple news story is on the NME website

Brendan ‏@oneillb1

@maggieserota We've got nothing better to do/Than to browse Netflix and add shows to our queue #TVParty2013

Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson and Stephen Egerton from the Descendents etc

ok this is awesome in part for the fact that morris and stevenson were from totally different eras of the band

def. they all knew each other back in the day though...

i hope it means you get to hear keith singing my war

as one of the flag singers treated worst by the group/ginn after leaving, he'd be within his rights to sing it!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/150623_10151667742114428_1628686654_n.jpg

what a shitshow

FREE CAMPING

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/734185_10151692219692178_1155145144_n.jpg

lol

lol that muddy roots fest! every band name is golden.

Joe Buck Yourself

Cutthroat Shamrock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv0lg-LklZk

Wow Bill is fat!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/flag-reunites-black-flag-veterans-20130207

I also understand that another former Black Flag member has just signed on with Flag.

Chuck Dukowski: We'd been talking about bringing Dez [Cadena] in too, so we brought Dez in.

hahaha awesome

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/bp/black-flag.jpg

got to tip the hat to the brooklynvegan commenter who noticed that Greg is wearing a Bassnectar (the Black Flag of brostep) shirt in this photo

Black Flag put up a new song for download, and if that wasn’t an odd enough sentence on its own, they also offered some fighting words for Flag. They posted “***note: not to be confused with the ‘fake’ Flag band currently covering the songs of BLACK FLAG in an embarrassingly weak “mailing it in” fashion*** We urge you to check out the real BLACK FLAG when they hit your area.”

which of these black flags will be better live I wonder.

BF is playing Oakland when I'm planning on being in fucking Europe. maybe I need to rejigger my vacation plans.

"C'mon, let's go see the creepy old cat man dance around."

"...uh, yeah, the Eiffel Tower!"

The new song is pretty much crap.

It's horrible

have a link to the new song?

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2013/05/black_flag_rele.html

thanks!

who's the fingerguns dude? actually, I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

thanks!

― Poliopolice, Friday, May 3, 2013 1:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha you may rescind this after you listen

i didn't think it was that bad, actually! they have far worse songs in their catalog than this.

I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

Ron Reyes is in the front. The other two guys have never been in Black Flag before now, as opposed to FLAG which features 100% former members.

who's the fingerguns dude? actually, I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

― Poliopolice, Friday, May 3, 2013 6:56 PM (7

that's singer Ron Reyes to Ginn's left and I guess one of 'em is drummer Gregory Moore, and the other is a bass player, I think.

for a second I was scared red-pants dude was one of the MacDonald/Redd Kross bros

Fingerguns dude looks like he just quit a punk rock barbershop quartet.

Imagine if they called it Dead in the Dirt, and Dead in the Dirt could sue them for cashing in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cllIgKFydAw

hoo that'd be rich

they have far worse songs in their catalog than this.

they have 'as bad' and they have 'worse' but they do not have 'far worse' than this.

Slip It In (the song) is genuinely terrible. I would call that far worse.

wtf slip it in is awesome

The weird frat boy macho shit is embarrassing

Slip It In (the song) is genuinely terrible. I would call that far worse.

Slip It In is a truly repellent lyric, I agree. It's set to a totally awesome riff and hook, which redeems it as far as a lyric like that could be redeemed, which is not very far.

What does this portend for Ginn's jamband, Jambang!!?!?!?

Hey Stevie-- did you write that Black Flag book? It's really good!

Greg Ginn IS Black Flag. There's a thing on ILX like he's such a dick and just a figure of ridicule which is just baffling to me. He doesn't wanna be your friend or do what you want him to do. Until now. Greg Ginn - there's nobody more entitled to play Black Flag songs till the day he dies. The fact that he's been pretty reluctant to get out and do that makes this all the better. Or are we just supposed to say that Black Flag songs shall never be performed because they will never live up to everyone's interpretations of what "Black Flag" is? Whatever you think "Black Flag" is, there's nothing that's going to live up to it. But if you love Black Flag's music then there is a good chance that this will be really fun.

Ron Reyes is still full of energy and is a great performer. And because it's Ron, they will likely favour the earlier material - a bonus. So I'm going to defend this reunion. This is going to stand or fall based on the quality of the music and the show. I'd rather see this than have Ginn go out with Rollins anyday. This has more credibility than the recent Kraftwerk shows (one member, three tools, lots of miming) but I won't deny that thousands had a great time at the shows. This is the voice and the distinctive guitarist of Black Flag. They're the Page&Plant of LA punk. Assuming they can actually do it (and they proved they could last year btw).

There's a thing on ILX like he's such a dick

Also, IRL.

He's not trying to live up to your expectations. Or did you not pick that up from the songs?

I have no expectations from Greg Ginn, other than that he either pay the bands he signed to his label or give them back their masters.

Greg Ginn's sound/style is certainly identifiable and fairly integral to BF's sound, but it CAN BE replicated. He likes to pretend every member from every era of Black Flag is disposable. Well, he is too.

So what's your point? He's not allowed to play these songs because he can be replicated?

He DID write them, yknow.

What's YOUR point? He wrote "note: not to be confused with the ‘fake’ Flag band currently covering the songs of BLACK FLAG in an embarrassingly weak “mailing it in” fashion*** We urge you to check out the real BLACK FLAG when they hit your area."

FLAG is every bit as real as the current Black Flag is and he knows it and he can't stand it and now he's being a fucking baby AS USUAL. He can play whatever the fuck he wants with Reyes and two hired hands, but I think most people who've ever loved Black Flag for any portion of their lives are aware Ginn is an asshole and would rather see a version of the band that seems like a natural good time instead of one that looks like a fucking cashgrab. I'll let you decide which one I think is which.

Hey Stevie-- did you write that Black Flag book? It's really good!

i did! and thank you!

black flag *is greg ginn. it's his band, his vision, and it mostly always has been. really don't like the new song, though, but didn't imagine i would, and don't know if i'd really want to see this version of black flag, going by what i heard about greg's bf reunion show in the early 00s, though ron is one of my favourite flag singers, and i'm sure the show would be fun. would love to see Flag though - chuck dukowki's own sextet and keith's OFF! are excellent, too.

So I've listened to this song a few more times and my opinion hasn't really changed. It seems like a perfectly decent song, far from from awful, and probably better than I would have expected. If I could change anything, it would probably be the vox, which sound kinda silly. At the very least, i'd reduce them significantly in the mix. They seem far too loud. The guitar riff is pretty cool and should be louder.

I think most people who've ever loved Black Flag for any portion of their lives are aware Ginn is an asshole

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

I'm certainly not one to tow the ILM line on anything, but I think it's true that a lot of people (even fans) think Greg Ginn is an asshole-- certainly a lot of his ex-bandmates think that. He's withheld money from bands, jealously guarded master tapes, is religious about removing Black Flag videos from Youtube (like rare concert footage), etc. But that doesn't have much to do with the music, although I think it does say something that he's been the only constant member of that band. Doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does, or that he isn't a true pioneer in the field. It's just that a lot of people have found him personally hard to deal with.

You should check out Stevie's book. It's not an anti-Ginn book by any means, but you get a certain impression of Ginn as someone who isn't that diplomatic or interested in empathizing with others.

http://amzn.com/1604864184

hey everything I know plenty of people from the old school SST/Pedro scene who think Ginn sucks too, people who don't even know what ILM is (see Tom Troccoli's posts on this board, etc.). I hear your arguments about his own catalog how he has the right to play it, but as long as he continues to fuck over everybody who ever released a record on his label who can't afford the legal fees to buy their rights back, your arguments are as weak as Ginn's output for the last 20 years.

also, it's TOE the line, polio.

Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world

If you think enmity towards Ginn is limited to ILM then you must be crazy high.

Even Greg's own brother can't stand him.

he was one of the first on that bandwagon, too.

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

― everything, Saturday, May 4, 2013 11:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love the use of "the real world" here

gonna log out of my ILX ivory tower and hang out at construction sites for truly clued in Black Flag debate

can't speak for anyone else posting itt but I can 500% guarantee that if I had never read or posted to this board I would still be aware of what lots and lots of ppl think about Greg Ginn

<i>as opposed to FLAG which features 100% former members.</i>
Except for Edgerton.

If Ginn, Dukowski or any of these guys want to ruin their legacies or play in pathetic cover bands, I'll check it out.

It's not a great tune, but that new song does sound like Black Flag and you can tell it's Greg Ginn on guitar.

Out of curiosity I went and looked up for some video of Flag!!!! with Keith Morris. Check out every other person with a cell phone or camera filming the band. Wacky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZt8yiwN-o

I'm holding out for the IRL not-asshole super group of Ginn/Don Henley/Mike Love/Lou Reed and a few other assholes. I mean, non-assholes. I was thinking ILX, not IRL.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/08/black-flag-sues-flag-henry-rollins-for-copyright-infringement/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com//sites/default/files/custom/Documents/ESQ/SSTRecordsvRollins.pdf

I'm no lawyer, but I don't see this going very well for Greg.

Fuck this clown forever.

I'm supposed to see Flag at FYF Fest in a couple of weeks. Only way this could get sillier is if a cease and desist was served on stage.

Black Flag sues Henry Rollins for copyright infringement, demands immediate amputation of his left upper arm, neck

Oh please, Oh please, Oh please Keith, just name the band 'Fuck Greg Ginn' and call it a day.

In what is probably the only time in my life I'd ever advocate for a corporation suing a person, I would like to see the manufacturers of Black Flag bug spray sue the shit out of Greg Ginn (and win!).

What a prick. Raymond Pettibon came up with the name and the logo for Black Flag anyway. Wonder if Ginn ever paid his brother anything for that.

They fell out in the mid-80s after Pettibon discovered SST types cutting up his original artwork for flyers and such. Be surprised if he's seen a single dollar from his work (a common SST complaint).

Yeah i remember them talking about why RP fell out with Flag in this - but I can't recall if they said he was ever paid even a token sum for the name or logo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0u04EqNVjo

He's properly minted now, of course, so I'm sure he's not too bothered!

for sure - just the principle of the thing, with ginn suing over the value of the name & logo

Let the cats claw you to hell - you silly cunt.

God I hope they counter-sue for royalties from (as Ginn's suit says) "over one million units sold"

^^

http://www.spin.com/articles/flag-black-greg-ginn-lawsuit-won-keith-morris-henry-rollins/

verdict: rollins never quit the band

and Ginn lost

love the comments

Uh.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/what-the.../id727788209

http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music6/v4/9f/2c/d7/9f2cd77d-59a7-78f0-ed6c-49aa6a945431/888003267824.170x170-75.jpg

that artwork is hideous, and would be even if it was a NOFX or Less Than Jake album cover....

I have a feeling that cover perfectly encapsulates the music within.

this is the REAL FLAG!

This is what happens when you burn bridges with your infinitely more talented brother, I guess.

btw I went to the Flag reunion and Pettibon designed an (awesome) new tour t-shirt for them that was on sale

This one?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1401385_646393225405340_1520880077_o.jpg

I love that one part of the whole attitude of FLAG is seeing how much they can get under Greg Ginn's skin.

oh fuck I want that tee shirt

From a friend on FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=597856710275916&set=a.149258521802406.30503.100001547769952&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=597856710275916&set=a.149258521802406.30503.100001547769952&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

can you post whatever that is? link requires facebook

Link doesn't work even if you have an FB account fwiw

Ah - it was the My War sleeve with WHAT THE HELL printed on top of it in a box, like the recent Bowie sleeve.

hey this record sucks ass

what you don't believe me?

http://www.stereogum.com/1554272/stream-black-flag-what-the/mp3s/album-stream/

You're fine, I believe you

Black Flag vocalist Ron Reyes has parted ways with the currently revived incarnation of the legendary punk act. In a post to his Facebook page earlier this evening, Ron reveals that he was fired on stage at the November 24th date of band's Australian tour and was replaced by professional skateboarder Mike Vallely.

Good for Ron.

He should join Flag.

"fired on stage" as in during the middle of a song?

"RISE ABOVE! RISE AB-"

"Ok, that's quite enough, off you go."

lol

naw it should be more like an oldtimey baseball umpire

*points off stage* YOU'RE OUTTA HEAH

Lol - apparently they fired him with two songs left, and finished the show with another band member on vocals. At that stage of the show, what was the point?

Sounds about as awkward as the Misfits show that Michale Graves quit the band on-stage.

He should join Flag.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:51 AM

On November 24th 2013 the last night of the Australian Hits and Pits tour with two songs left in the set Mike V comes on stage stares me down, takes my mic and says “You’re done, party’s over get off it’s over…” He said something else to me but it was a lie so I won’t repeat it here. So with a sense of great relief that it was finally over I left the stage and walked to the hotel room. They finished the set with Mike V on vocals. There is much more that can and perhaps should be said. But for now I will spare you the gory details. The writing was on the wall since before we played our first show. So many things went wrong from the start. I was into things like having a good drummer, rehearsing and spending time on things like beginnings and endings of songs, being a little less distracted with tour life and a little more on the ball. You know things that would make our efforts worthy of the name Black Flag… Yes it is my opinion that we fell very short indeed and the deminihing ticket sales and crowds are a testament to that. However It was made clear to me that raising these issues was tantamount to a blasphemous stab in the back to Greg. How could I question him, his efforts and hard work? How could I dare be a fan of OFF! And or be friends and a fan of Flag? I was told that I had to chose sides. But I refuse to treat someone like an infalable Pope figure. No guitarist deserves such unquestioning blind devotion. And so I have been excommunicated in a very strange fashion. I truly feel sorry for anyone who had to witness the infantile behaviour and the relentless provocation I was subjected to both on and off the stage. I regret that under such fierce provocation and taunting I sometimes responded in maners bellow my standard. I am greatful for the opportunities Greg gave me. There were some magical moments at first. I was naive enough to believe in the promise of potential. But in the end the good was no match for the overwhelming bad. It am proud of my contributions including the new album and it’s cover. Come on folks it’s only rock n roll. I would not be surprised if Mike V becomes the new singer for Black Flag. It is my opinion that they have been planing this for some time. I wish them well. Mike is a true deciple of Greg and so they have a good working relationship. And Ironicly the tension over the last weeks has brought out some of Greg’s best playing. So it could be interesting. I will miss playing with Dave Klien. He is a great kid and truly an outstanding bass player. Dave was an anchor that kept me from losing my place on a nightly basis. Trust me that was no easy task for either of us. I truly apologize for being in or more accurately “appearing” to be in competition with “Flag”. They know my heart on this matter. From the beginning I was happy for them and fully supported and understood why they would want to rock those songs and have a good time with friends and family. Yes I questioned their use of the name and logo but in no way questiond their motivation or right to do their thing. I envy them for they have succeeded in ways that were never possible with “Black Flag”. And once again for the record, I agreed to do Black Flag before I knew there was a Flag. I mean no malice towards Greg or Mike although they will most likely see things very differently. I wish them luck and prosperity. I have learned many valuable lessons this year. And these lessons will enrich my personal and musical endeavours. Cheers. Ron Reyes.

PARTY'S OVER, TELL THE REST OF THE CREW

we're probably only about two-three months removed from a pro wrestler joining the lineup

lol Ginn should change the name of the band to The People's Republic of North BlackFlagistan

it's sad, who will give us more crayon-vomit cover artwork?

greg ginn will provide

http://www.sstsuperstore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/SST359_320x320.jpg

Ron was one of the sweetest of the guys I interviewed for my Black Flag book, and I was, to be honest, a little sad for him that he'd taken part in the reunion. Hope he's not hit too hard by this shit-show.

Hope he's not hit too hard by this shit-show.

― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:14 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fired onstage. god i hate ginn.

listening to the new one on Spotify....

honestly it's not nearly as bad as people are saying

hank shteamer's review in pfork is a great read

it sounds fucking terrible though! like it was recorded at a guitar center in 1998

When all is said and done, Black Flag were great last night.

This was my second Black Flag show since the Greg-Henry-Kira-Anthony lineup of '85, or third if you count seeing Flag last fall (Keith-Chuck-Dez-Bill-Stephen--love the zero overlap between those versions of the band!), where Keith dedicated "Jealous Again" with "Fuck you, Greg Ginn" at the end. I loved Flag, and had to miss Black Flag's Triple Rock show, but somehow they (Greg-Mike-Tyler-Brandon) decided to swing through the Twin Cities again this summer, and played a relatively uncrowded gig at the Amsterdam in St. Paul last night.

I liked what I took to be new songs, one from the band Good For You that people chanted for, "Fucked Up." Ginn joined us in the pit for slamming during the closer "Louie Louie." He played theremin during some guitar solos. He came out and talked to everyone afterward. Maybe that's all standard, but he and the band seemed to be happy and having a blast. I thought the singer and bass player were great. The drummer was hummingbird light, easy with the shifts in tempo of those songs, and I loved being able to hear each snare beat individually and almost melodically. The respect for these songs was obvious.

Honestly, I really think only Ginn can play this way, which I knew going in to Flag, but really felt in the splatter of solos and guitar lines last night. Flag doing "Depression" with Keith on vocals was a special thing, but so was Greg playing that line, on a song about something he obviously struggled with.

Nearly everyone hates what Ginn is doing these days but Peter...

Well, this Black Flag has only been playing shows since May 15. If they'd sprung up out of nowhere, I'd say, "Go see this great new hardcore-punk-funk band with a theremin." But obviously the songbook is central and inescapable. If anything, Mike seems slightly wary of the audience, maybe for that reason, and hides in the songs. But the difference from the lineup of a year ago (at least judging by Youtube) becomes obvious on a song like "Depression," where the new drummer actually plays the fill.

Flag were so great last night. I've never slamdanced with such a grin on my face. I didn't realize how badly I needed to hear "Rise Above" live.

I started a "Fuck Greg Ginn" chant after Keith Morris said "we're being forced to tour under this name because of the way we were treated by this one complete asshole" or something like that.

do they always put the setlist in a very visible place on the drum kit? that was a little weird, knowing in advance the songs....probably to stop fanboys from shouting out requests

Hmm I have been debating going to see Flag in August but wasn't sure as it isn't cheap.

yeah I saw em a couple years ago on the first tour and honestly I was so happy it "felt" like Black Flag in a way I doubt any of these official Ginn weird lineups did.....the Descendents dude had Ginn's guitar sound and riffs DOWN

Setlist large and visible, well if you were upfront in DC. A great oldies but goodies set from Flag.

going to see Black Flag (w/ Ginn) tonight. if i had a choice between Flag and Black Flag I'd probably choose Flag, mostly because my "fuck Greg Ginn" chant wouldn't get me thrown out of that show, and well....Ginn is a dicknugget. But I don't and I want to hear these songs. so I'll tell you if it's terrible. apparently no more theremin solos though so...there's...that.

i passed on this in the bay area; a friend went and said it was very tame.

Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.

I don't expect it to be life-changing but we will see

Pre show music has been all Rat Pack and "Que Sera Sera".

Fail. Now i want a crooner show. It's cold and badly lit. Bring on the glasses of fake rum

I mean Ginn you're not THAT old

i'm really curious as to how his guitar playing's held up through his long period of jambandery

One Phish lick and i am setting this bar ablaze

I left 30 minutes in. Complete garbage

Ginn sounds fine. Vallely is a charisma vacuum of a vocalist, the sound was quieter than the opening act, and all half the crowd did was stand around and film it

If you have seen FLAG tour...you have seen a much better show. I actually moshed with kids half my age at that shit. This was like Kids Bop Black Flag

Keith Morris is pretty scathing about being involved in the original reunion with Ginn as Black Flag.
Says Ginn wanted to slow down tempos on everything. & saw Korn as a model for what a band should sound like.

Also that he went in expecting Chuck Dukowski and other exmembers to join but Ginn was against that from the start.
In fact seems weird that rin reyes would agree to apparently replace him. Might have thought he would have heard the negative from somewhere before joining.

lol. i did feel like a few tempos were slower. some people were going nuts over the music and i'm like far be it for me to like shit on something you like but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

but dear lord he could really improve things tenfold just by HIRING BACK ONE OF HIS ORIGINAL FRONTMEN, omg, Vallely sucks and he's also 3 feet tall so I couldn't see him over people's heads half the night

How many of his original frontmen would want the job at this point, seeing how Reyes was treated

I'm pretty sure I'd rather see the Chuck Dukowski Sextet live than GinnFlag

Yeah you would. I had so much more fun at Flag. I'd rather listen to farts than Ginn

I don't think Mike Vallely is short. Google says he's 5' 10".

More importantly, googling that led me to his skate videos, which are just as great as I remember.

It was probably a perspective issue with the stage, which wasn't raised much. From where i was standing, Ginn didn't look tall but I remembered he's like 6'5 or something. So Vallely obv would have looked much shorter in comparison despite not being Danzig-sized.

So I'll strike my fake news height comments, but vocals are definitely not his thing. He wasn't unusually bad, but it sounded like karaoke. Everybody could play their instruments but it felt so perfunctory.

The songs that worked best were post-My War tunes

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal) at 9:08 21 Jan 20
Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.

FLAG is actually pretty damn good, aged and cobbled together as it is. Saw em last year and had a lot of fun. Descendent’s guitarist totally nails the classic Ginn guitar sound, gnarly ass solos and all.

I’ve heard nothing but sad things about the “Black Flag” incarnation.

that's the other thing, Keith talked to the crowd. there was no communication with the crowd last night. not once.

the guitar also was very clean sounding. if the guitar was dialed down a smidge more, I'd have been at a Minutemen show. which is great, if they're The Minutemen playing Minutemen songs, not so much when you're a noisy-meedly-weedly punk band

but the thing that made me leave was the constant stream of assholes who kept rudely shoving (or trying to shove) by me to get to the front, until I spread my shoulders and cut off all entry points behind me. how the hell can you watch a show when you're constantly having your space invaded? only to come back minutes later so you have to do the whole charade again.

that's more a discussion for the show etiquette thread though.

Also, in regards to the ‘peace, man’ post, Fish Head Cantina is about as lame and shitty as you would expect it to be. The fact that the Ginn & Crew version were playing there told me enough about what to expect.

lol. I liked the place last night, but it's a place you go to have good beer with friends near the beach. it's horrible for a concert.

the place they're playing this weekend? a local Cafe/restaurant that has poker games and is equally awkward. these are teh places they're playing.

Flag, on the other hand, played the State Theater in St Pete and the shit sold out or damn close.

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

You would think. It might also be intentional on Ginn's part. They just got announced as playing this big festival here in Sept that fuckin Judas Priest is playing at so clearly the ability is there.

But on the other hand, sales are so shit to Saturday's show, the owner of the venue walked into one of my best friends' cat cafes and just gave him two tickets (which are going for $35 even though it's literally at a restaurant).

My friend has zero interest in punk rock or Black Flag either

Hell even the current version of the Cro Mags is playing bigger venues here

Ugh it's all so dire

So many sentences in the world of punk rock begin with "If Greg Ginn wasn't such an asshole..."

Like when Saint Vitus albums were out of print for decades but no one else could reissue them, and probably almost every other SST band

yup :(

it's also been easy for me to forget in today's easy access media era how much it sucked when you wanted to hear an album and you legitimately had no way to fuckin hear it other than buying a used cd or vinyl in an eBay auction and paying way more than it was worth.

and hoping the cd you got wasn't a damn cd-r

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

yeah "Gimme Gimme Gimme" was loud and raucous at Flag.

yesterday it was 30% slower than usual and it sounded like four people dicking around on it at a Sam Ash.

I also left because I refused to hear them mangle "Rise Above" or "Damaged I". they were just getting to "Six Pack" when I was leaving and someone screamed 'THIS IS THE SHIT THAT STARTED IT ALL' but he was in the bar and you can barely hear or see the show from there so...i had no idea why he was excited.

i might have left earlier if it wasn't 30 degrees outside. us Floridians cannot handle cold.

When he played around here a few months ago, it was at a place outside of town I'd never heard of before that is both a "cantina" and a "rockin' sushi bar". Which might not be so bad - I dont want to disparage this place I've never been! ...

― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:56 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

So a Guy Fieri restaurant!?

it's weird, they played in London recently at the Electric Ballroom with Total Chaos (I mean yeah that's not a good band but they aren't unpopular) supporting. the Electric Ballroom also coincidentally where the Circle Jerks are playing this year. so it seems like they are playing appropriate venues over here

(I didn't go, because of everything I've ever read about this incarnation of Black Flag)

maybe Dukowski is still booking their US tours but he's just trying to fuck with them

but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

― Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal)

i do believe that if greg ginn died, you'd notice a difference, because a lot of people would suddenly be in a celebratory mood.

Might even crack open a

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

LOL

bwaha

Out At The Store Today
Saw Black Flag Coupon On A Vitamin Rack
A Little Voice Inside My Head Said:
"Don't Forget The Cheese, Your Wife Asked For Monterey Jack..."

*to self*
“well shit. i wasnt gonna go but I do need multivitamins...”