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Inspired by the Clash thread. Sorry if this has been done before.

― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

velvet underground

― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink Floyd

― duder, Monday, 29 September 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.cheebadesign.com/dengamleskolen/kraftwerk.jpg
Yeah, I said it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Every Romo band?

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.in.gr/musiccd/ixos/images/kraftwerk.jpg
we found synthesizers first. no band will be able to use one without being described as "influenced by kraftwerk." this is law. beedy beedy beedy.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

are you saying kraftwerk are shit?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

no, I'm nominating them for Governor of California. WHAT THREAD IS THIS?!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

you are fucking stupid then.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, by putting them here I'm admitting that they're, yawn, important.

(full disclosure: though I've owned later albums I've yet to hear the legendary "Autobahn," which was a pop hit so I assume it's actually good)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't agree with you at all, Anthony, but I've got to admire your bottle! Drive it further, mate, drive it further!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

post-Autobahn, what did Kraftwerk do that the Human League didn't do better? Hell, I'll be impressed if the guitars on "Autobahn" sound as as good as the ones on "The Lebanon"!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

um, computerworld.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Miccio, you are the realest

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

can I also note that they look like dorks (which doesn't really matter) and that their vocalist is horrible (which really does)? and that I don't give a rat's ass if this is intentional? I don't even have to put up with the European endlessness of "Trans-Europe Express" thanks to "Planet Rock." Like most computers from the 70s, these guys are outdated and nonfunctional. Phil Oakey, God bless 'em, proved that a robot in human drag is WAY cooler. And I don't care if that makes me a humanist or whatever.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

duder i hate pink floyd to,but who did they influence that is any good?

― robin (robin), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Radio Activity is a concept album about radios because they give the beeps names like "antenna" and say the word radio a lot.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(actually "antenna" is my favorite track but the point remains the same)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

His website is called Anthony is Right, and he thinks Kraftwerk are crap. I have a new hero.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony, you worship Fred fuckin' Durst for cryin' out loud.

And adaml, YOU MUST DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 29 September 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and a VERY influential shit band...probably the most important shit band: THE SEX PISTOLS, without an f'in doubt.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 29 September 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

In the spirit of this thread, I'd like to add The ROlling Stones. Hopeless.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, and uncontroversially I think, New Order and Depeche Mode, the two most overrated bands of the 80's. Anyone, anyone at all could do better than these no-nothing nursery rhyme hamsters.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, why are you getting so worked up over Kraftwerk being mentioned when the post you should be getting worked up over is the one at the top by keith.

My answer to the question is: John Cage

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

And adaml, YOU MUST DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

I should say inspired by THE ARGUMENTS on The Clash thread. I personally love The Clash. So I expect you to resurrect me.

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, get worked up about mine already!!!

Walter Carlos - Switched-On Bach. Cheesy in the extreme - I suppose you had to be there at the time.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

you know, mr. miccio, i think that you must be satan's spawn because you spit on just about everything that i love. first, you bash EATB. then, you bash scarface. now in this thread, you bash kraftwerk. you incubus!

oh yeah, the answer to this thread is so obviously the Doors -- without them, no EATB (HAW HAW ANTHONY!), no Joy Division, no Iggy and the Stooges, and no Teardrop Explodes.

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

and uncontroversially I think

Oh, you'd be wrong. But Dan can say more. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Alice in Chains

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The Four Freshmen - inspired The Beach Boys.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 September 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

the beatles. they weren't shit songwriters, just dull performers

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 29 September 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Agree with the Doors, Sex Pistols & Pink Floyd. & add- the Beatles. I can't stand them in the slightest. La, la, la, boring trite shitty sing-song music, crossed with the worst of artsy asshole pretensions. Funny enough, for my favorite band, the Chameleons, the Beatles were the greatest influence, Pink Floyd a common comparison, & Sex Pistols also indirectly important for inspiring so much punk music. I disagree with the Stones though, love them.

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 29 September 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, now I'm not the first to bring them up, thanks

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 29 September 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

another one i forgot ... THE WHO!

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Monday, 29 September 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

New York Dolls

― mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 29 September 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Autechre have inspired some good artists, I think. So has probably Aphex Twin.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 29 September 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Sex Pistols

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Bill Haley and the Comets.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 29 September 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir you are thinking of Oasis, right? Because if that's the case you are OTM yet again. (This is the highest batting-average increase since that Disney film where the guy takes supervitamin pills and starts hitting them over the fence every time out)

― dave q, Monday, 29 September 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

London Posse, Chicory Tip

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh come on Dom Chicory Tip were terrific.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I only know Son Of My Father mind you - a mate has the album though and he says it's all good.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It is.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 29 September 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir you are thinking of Oasis, right?

I am thinking of Oasis. But I am also thinking of Elvis Costello, Squeeze, Graham Parker, The Jam, The Police, Boomtown Rats, The Clash, Wire, The Cure, Echo & The Bunnymen, Stone Roses, Charlatans, Blur, Supergrass, Pulp and tons of other great bands that have built their music more or less on those lousy unmusical noises that Sex Pistols used to make.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of those have their roots in the 60's, Geir. You know, Byrds, Love, Doors, The Who, Kinks etc etc.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually there may be a case to be made here, the Pistols unfortunately ensured that every English band from then on had to be a thematics-over-music cartoon conceptual contrivance (even Bowie respected music-qua-music sometimes), whereas Oasis were probably the last English rock band. Not to underrate UK stuff in other areas, just saying that as that particular illustrious seam goes, they found the end of it

― dave q, Monday, 29 September 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to have to second Kraftwerk.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 29 September 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

duder i hate pink floyd to,but who did they influence that is any good?

Air, Beck, Ween, Radiohead, to name a few

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 29 September 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony Miccio, shut the fuck up.

― wangsta, Monday, 29 September 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

venom

― sean marvin (williamtell), Monday, 29 September 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey, get worked up about mine already!!!"
OK, i can maybe accept the stab at New Order, since they were only continuing what Jot Division started, but in a fun way. in that case actually i can't, because joy division needed more fun, especially after Ian got so down he killed himself.
BUT DEPECHE MODE?!?!?!?!!
sure, some of their rhymes were so half-assed it was funny (promises me im safe as houses, as long as i remember who's wearing the trousers) but DAMN, they made some of the best music of the 80s (and 90s for that matter).

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 29 September 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd also like to thank mogwai for influencing Explosions in the Sky, but beg of them not to release any more material unless they put down the guitars and pick up accordions and SK-1s.

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 29 September 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

no, I'm nominating them for Governor of California
I vote Kraftwerk for Governer.
And if Schwartzenegger gives them any trouble, they already know his shutoff codes. (I mean, shit, Schwartzenegger WAS built at Kling Klang, fercrissakes...)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd say Poison, without whom we would not have Cyanide, a loving tribute to.

― Sir Leee (Leee), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, I like most of the bands being nominated. I'm kinda disappointed nobody actually defended Kraftwerk (noting I like Limp Bizkit doesn't equal defending Kraftwerk). Part of the reason I haven't bothered to state my disagreement with other people is cuz they listed the names without giving a reason why they're shit.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Kraftwerk needs no defense. They'll merely send out a strike force of supersonic assassinbots to defend their honour.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

< /GERMANIC DALEK HUMOUR>

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm also disappointed that no MST3K fan noticed my "beedy beedy beedy" reference. you disappoint me, ILX!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anybody mentioned Iron Maiden yet? Ok, I just did.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

And Slayer too, while we're at it.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The Red Hot Chili Peppers, if you consider Sublime a great band (not sure whether I do or not -- leaning toward "not." And the Peppers never did any songs as good as the best Crazytown ones, either.)

The Smiths influenced many bands who were better than them, too, but I don't think the Smiths were quite "shit." Though I sure used to.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

And Bauhaus, I suppose. And probably a few bands on Wax Trax (though I forget which ones). And probably Tool by now (though I forget who they influenced). And probably lotsa half-assed hardcore punk bands.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

And Tori Amos and Bjork, if they inspired the Gathering. Ok I'll quit.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

No, The Smiths were shit alright. But I wanted to be the first person to mention them on this thread and now you've ruined that.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If you erased every song on that Rykodisc 2CD Singles comp from existence, you could include David Bowie on this thing. But that would be cheating (Damn you, Thin White Duke! Damn you and your fine singles compilations!).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"If you erased every good single they ever released they'd be shit" is a rubbish argument, Anthony ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

my POINT!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Bauhaus, Kraftwerk and Iron Maiden are NOT "shit bands," you fatuous ass monkeys!!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 September 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The Fatuous Ass Monkeys

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 29 September 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, how could I forget Frank Zappa??? (Shit inspiration for the undeniably-great-unless-you-deny-it Funkadelic, Pere Ubu, MX-80 Sound, the Tubes, Tin Huey, etc.) I must have been asleep.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, did you smack your cranium against an anvil during lunch today?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 September 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of those have their roots in the 60's, Geir. You know, Byrds, Love, Doors, The Who, Kinks etc etc.

Yes, that is what makes them great after all. Had Sex Pistols been their only influence, then, obviously, they wouldn't have been great at all. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

And yet no manifestation of Chuck E's unlove of Hendrix?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 29 September 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't unlove Hendrix *that* much, t/'/'t (or however you slash it.)

Nick Drake, on the other hand....(though I forget if he ever influenced anybody I like much. I'm sure he must have, though.)

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

What have you got against poor Nick Drake, Chuck?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dunno whether you like them or not, but acts such as Belle & Sebastian and Kings Of Convenience are clearly influenced by Nick Drake (who was great btw)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, no.

I was wondering more about, like, the Auteurs. (Nikki Sudden? Al Stewart? The Pet Shop Boys, even? The Clientele? I'm not sure how *great* the Clientele are, though. Al Stewart was probably better.)

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

>>What have you got against poor Nick Drake, Chuck?<<

Besides the fact that probably nobody would have ever given a shit about him if he didn't kill himself? Oh, nothing in particular, Alex.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

See also Eva Cassidy. Ok, so she didn't kill herself. But she did die in an unpleasant/unreasonable fashion. And that's not nice.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck's heart is a burning black cauldron of irrational hatred.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 September 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck Eddy in totally assholish reasoning shocker

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Does it count if Operation Ivy (shit) influences THEMSELVES to become Rancid (good)?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 September 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, what *really* bugs me about Nick Drake is his melodies are never beautiful enough. (Same thing that bugs me about Belle and Sebastian.)

And now I am going to add the Swans to this list. So there.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Silver Apples (well, I actually do like this band, but I could see how I wouldn't) inspired Spacemen 3, Kraftwerk, Eno, Suicide, Devo, Einsturzende Neubauten, Caberet Volitare and their ilk.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 29 September 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

And oh yeah, I want to hear all these great bands that Chicory Tip influenced! (I've only ever heard one Chicory Tip song, "Good Grief Christina" which I have on some British K-Tel-like compilation from the '70s, and that song alone is better than the entire careers of Iron Maiden, Slayer, Bauhaus, Bjork, Tori Amos, Nick Drake, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers put together. But I never had any idea that they ever *influenced* anybody. We Americans are so damn out of it.)

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

chickory tip influenced my favorite ever musician Laurence of Felt/Denim/Go-Kart Mozart fame.

― scott seward, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

And now I am going to add the Swans to this list. So there.

Now you are just being mean. although me and the baby did sit around listening to Godflesh albums all day and it occurred to me that without swans their would be no Godflesh and without Godflesh their would be no...um, lots of people probably. then i went and looked for some Controlled Bleeding to play. Controlled Bleeding inspired lots of industrial s&m sex-metal scrap heap gregorian chant loving dub artists in their day. and they might have even inspired Swans. Ted Parsons played drums on the last Godflesh album, chuck. in case you didn't know that. so my answer would be PRONG!!! they must have inspired someone i like.

― scott seward, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

felt were crap.

― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 29 September 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

if by crap you mean genius, than yeah, you are right.

― scott seward, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Scott, I don't know much about the Swans' later beautiful stuff, to be truthful. Is any of it as good as Ulver or Tiamat or Opeth or Therion? I really wanna know. My guess is that the dark metal gloomsters improved on the Swans by adding in all those frilly Enigma and Kate Bush and Fairport Convention curtains, and the Swans only, like, laid down the blueprint of gloom. But maybe I'm wrong, since I stopped paying attention after that double album with God in the title that I reviewed in Creem in 1986 or whenever along with a double Aretha album. And obviously all that early stuff like Cop and Filth and that first self-titled EP I used to own (honest!) on Labor Records was ugliness and nothing but, just like Slayer, and I don't want ugliness and nothing but in my life because I have no use for negativity of that sort whatsoever. And "Time Is Money (Bastard)" didn't QUITE succeed at the "We Will Rock You" stuff. But I am really trying hard not to be mean, and I apologize if I messed up, honest. So if the Swans eventually were other than shit, please let me know.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i will make you a tape. or two even.

― scott seward, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

you would probably like some of the world of skin stuff too. gira and jarboe. some of that is really beautiful.

― scott seward, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I do kinda like that new Neurosis album with Jarboe. It's lovely, in that special Neurosis way. But mainly when Jarboe keeps her mouth shut. But when she doesn't, it's still a lot better than the parts of the new Desert Sessions album when PJ Harvey doesn't keep *her* mouth shut. And I LIKE PJ Harvey. Sort of. Or at least I thought I did.

― chuck, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

('warning: home taping is killing swansongs')

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 29 September 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i wanna hear that album. the neurosis one. do you have an extra?

i'm gonna make you some latter-day swans tapes tomorrow and if you listen to them and like them you have to post a thread on ilm with the title, "boy, was i wrong about those swans!" okay?

you compared swans to broccoli in yur book, no? well, lemme tellya, they evolved into yummy whipped cream. with a cherry on top. good AND good for you.

― scott seward, Monday, 29 September 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I just have an advance of the Jarbosis album so far. I figure it will actually hit the brick'n'mortars two years from now; I swear that's what happened with one Neurosis advance I got once. I enjoy pretty much everything I've ever heard on Neurot Records, by the way. I am such a pushover these days. Anyway. If I get another copy, it's yours.

And yes, if I am sold on the Swans, I will sell the world on them. They don't even gotta be whipped cream w/ a cherry on top, honestly. Even a bit of hollandaise on top of their broccoli would be swell.

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

('warning: home taping is killing swansongs')

true, but who do you think paid for all of gira's bloody guitar strings and hubert selby jr. first editions by buying 4 different versions of all his freakin' albums for umpteen years? idiot me, that's who.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

oh my god, it isn't really called jarbosis is it?!! that would be the coolest. a little of her can go a long way, but she can be great too. she's like the kathy acker of the music world but i don't think she knows the mekons. i love neurot too. their stuff rules. my new hero is that guy at The End Records though. he is putting out the last Katatonia on thick as a brick ten inch vinyl. and the ulver/green carnation/gathering/antimatter/virgin black line-up is a great one.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

scott, i do wish you all the luck for turning chuck e around on the swans issue. really.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

To get us back on track (this is shit bands that inspired great bands, not shit bands that inspired long discussions of their side-projects)...

Joni Mitchell.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i can do it. a little love of life, a little white light from the mouth of infinity, a little soundtracks for the blind, a little world of skin, a blind faith and a stooges cover and voila! a new swans fan. plus, he really does love so much stuff that is similar. um, sorry chuck, i realize that i'm talking like you can't read this.

speaking of not reading this though, don't tell frank and don that i made you tapes cuz i promised them baltimore house music tapes like 3 years ago and i still haven't sent them. that's next on my list though. this seems more important somehow.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, sorry anthony. carry on.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

did the smashing pumpkins ever inspire anybody good?

apologies to ned in advance.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

My Chicory Tip reasoning was that they were the first ever band to have a mainstream smash featuring a synth, and thus they influenced all the great synth bands through history, like Harold Faltemeyer.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

apologies to ned in advance.

Man. (But good job on getting Chuck to listen to the later purtier Swans stuff, as well he ought.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, sorry ned. it's just that voice. i can't get around it or under it or over it. i just can't.

that and the fact that the guitars actually just help in reminding me of that voice. it's like the guitars AND the voice are needling me and making me itchy.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no worries, more than a few people have said the exact same thing to me about 'em! I don't know, to me the voice always seemed perfectly appropriate. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Especially when he does that descending "ahhhh" that sounds like he's slipping into a jacuzzi.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Concur that the new Desert Sessions with PJ is surprisingly smelly.

― Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I should say inspired by THE ARGUMENTS on The Clash thread. I personally love The Clash. So I expect you to resurrect me.

-- adaml (formerlynordicskill...), September 29th, 2003.

Heh heh. Did I mention I love ya, man? ;)

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

oops. i misread this thread. Ignore My Alice In Chains post. gah!

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The Raspberries

not terrible, but most of the bands they influenced are better than them

I'll also second the nod for Silver Apples- they're awful, but pretty important

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah - Chicory Tip = very early Moroder production, the whole album is done by him. And even if they didn't influence the later Moroder stuff the whole glam-thump-plus-synths thing is a Human League template so you can blame Chicory Tip for most of the post-League synthpop (oh and electroclash too).

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Swans were great, but I can see how Chuck might not dig them. I quite like them, but they don't fall into the category of bands whom I'm willing to get in all sorts of purple-faced melees about.

Nick Drake's melodies not beautiful enough for you, Chuck? Hmmmm. Well, maybe you have higher standards than I, as I think he had quite the knack for melody. But then again, we can't all be Kix, can we (sorry, cheap, predictable shot there).

My ultimate answer to this thread: PATTI SMITH.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

>oh my god, it isn't really called jarbosis is it?!! <

no, i just made that up! what the heck, maybe i'll just send you the advance CD anyway. you'll probably listen to it more than me, scott...

so, anyhoo, what raspberries-influenced bands are better than the raspberries????? the KNACK, maybe? (The Records??) (oh wait, I suppose Cheap Trick or Boston or Poison might be a good answer, so maybe I just changed my mind about this...) I mean, powerpop is a DISEASE, for the most part, or at least it's been one since 1980. Seems to me the Raspberries were one of the few ever to get it RIGHT (which is to say, for instance, to actually get some power in with the pop!) (Tho maybe you mean they influenced NON-powerpop stuff...)

Kix had prettier melodies than Nick Drake, Alex. No fucking contest. And so did Richard Thompson and Glen Campbell and Gordon Lightfoot.

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

By the way now I REALLY REALLY REALLY wanna hear more Chicory Tip (even if they totally ripped off Hot Butter. Ok, maybe they didn't.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was about to say, all this Chicory Tip talk intrigues. Is any of it easy to find or is it off to the filesharing races? Oddest use of "Son of My Father" = sort-of theme music for this ridiculous Europorn I have a chopped-up copy of via Showtime called Ready, Willing and Able, from something like 1973. Then there was Jigsaw's "Sky High" in The Man From Hong Kong...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, the version of "Son of My Father" that I have (I think on the Giorgio LP of I believe that name -- the one where he has two dangerous looking dogs on the cover; don't have it right here handy to check it - and definitely on Rhino's *Super Hits of the '70s*) is credited to Giorgio himself, not Chicory Tip. Which one came first??

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Rhino's *Super Hits of the '70s*

Probably my favorite comp series ever. Hmmm...new thread time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.superseventies.com/spsuperhits.html

(my rolling stone review)

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.alpha-musik.de/2444248.html

chuck or anybody else, definitely buy this german glam comp if you ever see it anywhere. it's not as obvious as most and has some real jems on it. chickory tip AND chris spedding's "Motorbikin'"! i bought mine years ago and i still play it all the time.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"the Pistols unfortunately ensured that every English band from then on had to be a thematics-over-music cartoon conceptual contrivance"

If so, it's because every English band from then on got it wrong. The Sex Pistols were the greatest of all punk bands precisely because they backed up the concept with great music. The "concept" in truth grew out of the fact that the music was so jaw-dropping.

― Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The fucking Sugarhill Gang.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Michaelangelo, you are so wrong about them. But I won't start.

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, what's my favorite kind of music in the world that isn't early breakbeat hardcore? Old-old-old-school hip-hop. And I don't like the fucking Sugarhill Gang. So there. >:-p

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Not even "Apache"????????? Jeez, Louise! Oh well, never mind.

I just thought of Jane's Addiction, Bratmobile, Danzig, Tupac, and Nine Inch Nails, if nobody's mentioned them yet. I'm not gonna check.

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Though it's possible I meant Babes in Toyland instead of Bratmobile. You decide. Really, I should say Bikini Kill just to get even with Michaelangelo, but I won't, because I'm such a nice guy today.

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Babes in Toyland predate Bikini Kill anyway, so say them. I'm no fan. And upon further reflection, maybe I just mean "Rapper's Delight," which has one great verse (Wonder Mike's bad dinner) and a whole lotta lousy-rhythmed whatever.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

Man, I just have to put my vote in for Kraftwerk as governors of California, HILARIOUS!! Well I think it might be easier to think of good bands who inspired legions of crap bands. Take Led Zeppelin for instance.....

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Anthony...tsk tsk tsk

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry, but that sarcasm of Anthony's made me laugh out loud!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:53 (twenty years ago)

hahaha yes it was

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

funny, i mean.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Although I do'nt know if I'd go so far as to call the Velvet Underground a crappy band, it just seems kinda odd the HUGE influence they've had.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Chuck is otm about a lot of stuff on this thred like Nick Drake and the Raspberries.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:30 (twenty years ago)

And Slayer and early Swans. Not about Frank Zappa, though.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Slayer rules, man.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Did the Shaggs inspire any great bands? Or just a bunch more shit bands like the Shaggs?

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:50 (twenty years ago)

(Should say Chuck was otm in his *defense* of the Raspberries, as opposed to the others whom he was critiquing.)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Oasis were probably the last English rock band

haven't read the nme in so long

― marc h. (marc h.), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:53 (twenty years ago)

That's funny, I'm listening to Swans as we speak(type).....

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Led Zeppelin
Beach Boys
Can
Sonic Youth
Nirvana
Yes
Jeff Buckley
My Bloody Valentine
The Cure
Sly and the Family Stone
Public Enemy
Television
Killing Joke
Whoever influenced Pavement

I go on and really start eviscerating sacred cows with my special enchanted Masamune blade that I keep handy for such purposes, but I'll be nice for now.

― Cliftonb, Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:54 (twenty years ago)

That's classic, Clifton: saying all those bands are shit and then throwing in some props for Pavement.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:57 (twenty years ago)

You don't "eviscerate" a sacred cow bigger than the Beatles, which I think has been done!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:03 (twenty years ago)

SWEET JESUS NO!!!!!

Whoever is responsible for such a monstrosity must surely themselves be from the 9th Circle of Hell.

It was an attempt at humor that crashed and burned. I have FAILED

*begins Harakiri

― Cliftonb, Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

.......you lost me.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

Sorry that was for Tim Ellison, who thought I was giving props to Pavement.

By the way how does that xpost thing work I'm sorta new 'round these here parts.

― Cliftonb, Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:11 (twenty years ago)

So you DO'NT like Pavement, I see..... well I'm kinda new here too, maybe if you're a little more specific...

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:19 (twenty years ago)

Sex Pistols and Velvet Underground are perfectly OTM. Now close thread.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:08 (twenty years ago)

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