"House of Jealous Lovers" is the worst piece of garbage of the last ten years of indie rock

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I mean, try to defend it. It makes me want to perform acts of unusual cruelty.

― roger adultery, Monday, 15 December 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, Bright Eyes exists. No way this song can be the worst.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

do you really want a list of EVERY INDIE SONG from the last ten years that's worse?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

cuz that's like maybe all of them, except 20 or so.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought indie was dead.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, I am NO fan of Oberst, but Fevers and Mirrors is fucking Exile on Main Street compared to this song.

― roger adultery, Monday, 15 December 2003 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

this song is great! i'm gonna go listen to it right now!

it's even better live

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ok its shit...but how is it indie again?

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw them live before I heard the record, and whenever I listen to it, I keep wanting more sax!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

you don't even like the 'shakedown!' part?

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it. It has a good beat and you can dance to it. Not big on much of their latest lp, though. I especially dislike the one that sounds just like Big Star.

― dylan (dylan), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I love it! It's about time people who couldn't sing started singing again. I've been waqiting for this sea change since about 1979.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i dislike it. most annoying x-month old track on aussie radio. i like other stuff on the album though.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

once again the "roger adultery hates it" revelation proves not unlike a great big shining Seal of Greatness

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

surely "hey ya" is the worst piece of garbage of the last ten years of indie rock

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is baffling

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that song where he tries to be John Lydon's a lot worse

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

it's like britpop never existed (and i wish it hadn't)

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

so fiddo, why the change of heart?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

omnipresence.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, wasn't this thread already done and over with like 19 months ago ?

― Vic (Vic), Monday, 15 December 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 15 December 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"ONE STEP BEYOND"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 December 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's pretty damn good, actually.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i like it but there are better tracks on 'Echoes' imo

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree stevem - much as i love HOJL there are better things on the album. i cant belive i'm even contributing to this ridiculous thread though.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"I love it! It's about time people who couldn't sing started singing again. I've been waqiting for this sea change since about 1979."

??????

have you heard of a band called belle and sebastian?

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i like it but there are better tracks on 'Echoes' imo

Very true.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

do go see them live if you can as they are hella fun

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It's probably the lesser part of the DFA launch triumviurate that also includes 'Losing My Edge' and 'Beat Connection', but it does kick like a goddamn sucker.

― Barima (Barima), Monday, 15 December 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

best part: the tiny little overdub on the screamed "down" part of "shake-Dooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn"

― gff, Monday, 15 December 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess:

You keep listing Ted Leo on your top ten yet criticize those who swear by the indie-rock canon. He's indie rock isn't he? Or is he on your list of 20 that you exempt from criticism? Ted may be better than Conor Bright Eyes but I don't see why his wannabe Paul Weller Joe Jackson pop-rock manages to largely escape criticism here.

I agree with you and others though that there are countless worse songs than "House of Jealous Lovers," which, despite the shrieking vocals, I kinda like. Now, Rapture's knock-off of PIl's "Careering" sure is lacking though.

― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Monday, 15 December 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard this song and I'm not even quite sure who does it.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

steve:

about 20 or 30 songs > "house of jealous lovers" > every other indie song from the last 10 years.

it's a continuum not a hirearchy.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer the knockoff to "Careering"

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

just like I prefer "HOJL" to all but like one or two Gang of Four songs

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

You're kidding aren't you.

― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Gang of Four songs that are better than HOJL:

damaged goods
at home he's a tourist
i found that essence rare
paralysed
what we all want
call me up

i'm sure there are many more but i'm tired of typing. and i absolutely love HOJL.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait I heard this song at Cprek's house. It's pretty a'ight.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think at this point HOJL is a lot less boring than a lot of Gang of Four's output. But Gang of Four didn't really have THAT many good songs anyway, did they?

'Echoes' Careering knockoff is alright, and the fact that he shouts 'WHUUUUT?!' in a silly voice at the end of each line improves it a lot.

― Fug (Ferg), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer the knockoff to "Careering"
-- M Matos (michaelangelomato...), December 15th, 2003.

You are dead to me.

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

why would I kid? and ooh fucking boy, I'm dead to Dean Gulberry! shit! I'm in for it now! < /mock horror>

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like it, but I can't help but think it would be better if it were polished to a higher sheen and had a better singer.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

4RLZ.

I vote that Matos is the worst piece of garbage in the last ten years of garbage.

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

They've been around that long? Shirley Manson still looks great.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no! my cred's washed up! OH NO!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Chk-chk-chk at the way this thread's going.

Entertainment didn't knock me sideways when I finally heard it this year.

― Barima (Barima), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

HOJL does something entirely different to most/all gang of 4 songs why is it surprising that someone would prefer what it does to what they do. ?

― pete b. (pete b.), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

because we have to HONOR THE TRADITION

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

someone doing something the first time ALWAYS = doing it BETTER

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It confuses the fanboys because they have to update their lists; that's why.

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only person who thinks The Rapture really sound very very little like Gang of Four?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

bouncy sequenced synth passages vs. epileptic seizure guitar riffs
punky feaux-house beats vs. punky feaux-afrobeat beats
twee romantic lyrics vs. abstract political lyrics
etc.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Or is it more like...

Rapture = people dance
Gang of Four = people dance
Rapture = Gang of Four

??????

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no! my cred's washed up! OH NO!

Matos, I already suspended your indie cred on a previous thread....the good new is, you're up for probationary hearing on January 1st....we'll let you know.

Also,

NICK OTM!!!! (about Rapture not sounding that much like GO4)

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

the history of pop music is people trying to do the exact same thing better, and slightly differently, than someone before them. and there ain't nothing wrong with that because it works an awful lot of the time.

me, here, i'm just saying i like both, but i like several gang of four songs better. and maybe it *is* 'cause i heard them first. it's hard sometimes to see one's own prejudices. and on the other hand, i can also name several gang of four songs i don't like nearly as much as HOJL. so there.

(x-post: come on, hojl uses an exact dna-cloned replica of gang of four's guitar sound.)

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

the Rapture certainly have epileptic seizure guitar riffs

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Gang of Four songs that are better than HOJL:

ALL songs by Gang of Four --- even the stuff on Mall -- are better than "House of Jealous Lovers".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's good, but let's not get carried away.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all delay pedalled and nowhere near as uh skronky

x-post

― Fug (Ferg), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post: come on, hojl uses an exact dna-cloned replica of gang of four's guitar sound.)

By that logic, "House Of Jealous Lovers" also sounds exactly like The Clash.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

right, because you NEVER get carried away with ANYTHING, you scum-sucking piece of festering rodent-piss

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Calgon, take me away!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

< /example never personal>

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

MMMD (Michaelangelo Matos Makin' Dollars)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

WWMMD

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

you gotz to chill....Matos is stricly business

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

back to the thread for a minute:

HOJL doesn't sound exactly like the clash or gang of four, no, but it makes perfect sense to compare it to both. i was just responding to the post that said they're "entirely different." i'm saying, no, they're not entirely different. they're part of the same continuum.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

exactly....it's the same way that timbaland is part of the same continum as Afrika Bambaataa but doesn't really sound the same.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I throw in a Fugazi comparison and really fuck things up? (disclaimer: I hate Fugazi far less than the last time I mentioned them.)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"HOJL" sounds a lot more like "At Home He Feels Like a Tourist" than "Get Ur Freak On" does "Looking For the Perfect Beat."

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

ALL songs by Gang of Four --- even the stuff on Mall -- are better than "House of Jealous Lovers"

now that's what i call getting carried away.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

matos is right....but I'm still sorta right, right? (please?)

also, nate, I'd bet a million bucks Rapture were big Fugazi kids in their younger years.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

also we might as well bring Nation of Ulysess into this while we're on the dischord tip.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It Takes A Nation of Ulysses to Hold Us Back

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

as has been mentioned, the "Careering" ripoff that immediately follows HOJL on the record is totally worse. I like the album but that song really really really grates on my ears when I hear it. It's just so blatant and stupid. I don't have a problem with people stealing/borrowing/copying but geez, take something and run with it don't just reproduce it slavishly.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 December 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

nate wins

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there anything on that song that mimics Careering other than the Lydon waily vocal thing?

― Fug (Ferg), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

oh heck, it's Christmas!

*hands Matos back his indie cred*

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

they don't reproduce it slavishly at all. for one thing, the PiL track plods and the Rapture's has dynamics, a breakdown, is faster, and some urgency in the vocals. the only thing they reproduce is the vocal melody and the shouty bit at the end of each line is their way of upending that

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

and Metal Box is one of my favorite records ever so don't even DARE try that "you're just being contrary" shit with me.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I know it's just the vocal and the general rhythym, but I just can't get past it. It's so blatant. As if I hadn't been able to tell that they were into Metal Box from the rest of the goddamned record.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 December 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I could say "well just get over it!" all self-righteously but I've certainly had that problem with other bands doing similar things with other records, so while I don't agree with you in this instance I can see where you're coming from.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(B-b-but Metal Box is shit! PiL didn't do anything worth listening to before the generic album.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the Rapture, but Gang of Four are so far above them that their ears must be popping like mad.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

this is funny, it reminds me of a time a couple of years ago I was in new york before I'd ever heard of the Rapture, and I went a store by my hotel called Rocks In Your Head....the clerk was helping me and said, "You should really check out this, the guitar player works here"....It was a rapture (ep I think) and I was all like, "Yeah, sure, your friend's band is really great" and didn't buy it....how was I to know they'd one day be so controversial (and pretty good at that).

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Metal Box is my favorite record ever so I am right. I have a list that proves that it is my favorite. A NUMBER ONE. TEH BESTEST.

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

ROCKS IN YOUR HEAD!

Yay! Were you staying in the Soho Grand, Matt?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

is this the way people used to argue about elastica? i'll have to look up some old threads.

― scott seward, Monday, 15 December 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay! Were you staying in the Soho Grand, Matt?

It was called the 60 Thompson Hotel, which is also the address...I highly recommend it if someone else is paying. It was walking distance to Rocks, if I recall....it was the only record store the guys I was visiting knew in the area....it was a cool store.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I live not too far away from there. ROCKS IN YOUR HEAD has been there since the early 80's at least, and is indeed a great, great store. They're having soem financial hard times at the moment and have been forced to start renting DVDs to generate some extra income. I can't imagine their rent is particularly cheap.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

it's been there longer than that, and yes, the rent is extortionate and just going up.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

it's how they used to argue about Veruca Salt too, and Green Day, and lots of other bands.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

well, I hope they make it....I would have gone crazy on their vinyl, but it was only a one-day trip and all I had for luggage was a backpack, so I was limited to CDs.

People argued about Veruca Salt?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

hoo yeah

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

VS seemed so lovable, how could you hate on them?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoever said Metal Box was shit needs a full body-cavity search.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Veruca Salt were not much more than arena-friendly Breeders rip-offs, though the lead singer was kinda hot. Not hate-able.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

No one said _Metal Box_ was shit; it is shit, it always has been shit and it always will be shit.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan. I set you on fire.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

KEROSENE!

― Big Black shits all over everyone mentioned on this thread, anyway (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

DANBOT ATTACKS!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Just as I was putting on my latex gloves, you bring up Big Black. You're excused for now. But only for now.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Veruca Salt were not much more than arena-friendly Breeders rip-offs

Isn't that what makes Veruca Salt good?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was the guitar solos?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

that too!

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Veruca Salt had guitar solos? Am I remembering the right band?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they did (also realizing how long it's been since I've actually listened to them).....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"Isn't that what made Veruca Salt good?"

I should have clarified: I liked Veruca Salt alright as far as their schtick went. It's just that it didn't go all that far. I did like "Seether" though, it was a decent song.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't remember, who were kenickie ripping off again?

― scott seward, Monday, 15 December 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenna and Tricky?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

*rimshot*

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean jandek right?

― twelve, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

also, nate, I'd bet a million bucks Rapture were big Fugazi kids in their younger years

also. matt. I'd bet a million bucks Fugazi were big Gang of Four kids in their younger years

― Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i never thought kenickie sounded like anyone but themselves

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to go with the sure money and bet that Veruca Salt had TWO lead singers. Anything else said on this thread is just uncivilized (tho I'm down with the maggot piss).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

how did this thread end up being about veruca salt and maggot piss?!

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Magic.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm really hoping for more Veruca discourse, actually. Don't disappoint me, folx.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

you all took ten minutes of my life and i want it back.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I scrolled through at two minutes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Showoff.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Daver, going by the logic on this thread you've just said that Veruca Salt sounded like The Human League.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"being seethed"

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(i'm very, very sorry.)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

UGH

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

All I said is, "talk about Veruca Salt". I didn't say, "turn my serious request into a sojourn into Schtickville," damn it. However, if someone can draw some connections between Phil Oakey and maggot piss, go man go.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm specifically talking about the "Veruca Salt had TWO singers" and how that relates to the way people are talking about the relationship between The Rapture and PiL; serious points can be buried in Schtickville, you know!!!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I would LOVE to find a connection between those two lines of thought (or between the line of thought & the peluant bit of grandstanding) (guess which one's which!), but I'm strugglin'.

BTW, Google let me down at first, BUT...this is why I leave the ha-ha's to the professionals.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, I think I bought the Young Marble Giants CD last year at Rocks in Your Head ... I finally broke down and bought the import, unaware that a domestic version would be released not five months later. Ha. Seemed like a pretty good store, yeah.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only person who thinks The Rapture really sound very very little like Gang of Four?
It was my impression upon listening to "Echoes" that The Pop Group were at least as important an influence as Gang of Four. The Pop Group at its most conventional, that is (parts of "For How Much Longer do We Tolerate Mass Murder"). But Mark Stewart's vocals were such an important part of TPG's sound that it might not occur to many... I like HOJL very much.
It would be interesting to do a track-by-track breakdown of "Echoes" listing the quotes e.g. Careering and less blatant references to "classic" postpunk/new wave/etc.

― kdjfe, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes HOJL > Go4.

Do we really need a post-punk canon? etc.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Entertainment > Echoes though.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I only like Go4 ironically. I do not 'respect' old music. Or new music. PHEAR ME!

― alext (alext), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is compleet wankpants.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Not a typo. Try pronouncing it.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

you all took ten minutes of my life and i want it back.

Oh I SO can't stand it when Jess says something that genuinely makes me laugh out loud.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

at times the Rapture have also sounded like the Cure, Suicide, Big Star, Frankie Knuckles many other influences. I think it's to their credit that they rip off many people, not just one, and personally see it the way Stereolab did/does it, i.e., you can't listen to Jenny Ondioline and not think, "they're doing Neu!" but they put it in a different context for a different audience...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

stereolab is better than neu.

― keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

neu had balls, though this does not necessarily make the above false

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like it, but I can't help but think it would be better if it were polished to a higher sheen and had a better singer.

I love HOJL but I'd love it so much more if it were sung by Martha Wash.

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It needs a female.

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i say that every night

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

aww

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

blount is such a horndog.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Jode OTM re: Martha Wash!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

blount that's awful.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

have you considered the monastery?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm looking into german cannibalism

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

also. matt. I'd bet a million bucks Fugazi were big Gang of Four kids in their younger years

I'm sure you're right, too....it's funny I didn't hear Gang of 4 until years after I was a Fugazi fan and was really, really shocked....like "Oh my God, someone did this before Fugazi!"

If you came out of being sort of uninformed, small town punk fan like myself, Fugazi seemed like they sort of fell out of the sky...

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

matt otm

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

esp if you were trying to somehow link them to minor threat

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

things i heard about for the first time reading fugazi interviews/reviews: go-go, dub, electric miles.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, and post-punk obv

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah...until them it was like my conception of music was A) the heavy metal I'd grown up on B) Run-DMC and Beastie Boys and C) standard punk kid stuff like Dead Kennedys, Ramones, Misfits, Minor Threat.....Fugazi was always really cool about talking about different kinds of music and their influences....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...

yeah, okay guys. i like this song. it's a good song to drive to. i wouldn't really consider it indie though. oh yeah, and i love bright eyes.

― chanelle mays, Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

bedtime for you

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 8 April 2004 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

This song's ill, but only in its original 12" incarnation. I don't dig the album or CD single versions. Where's the groovy bass at the beginning??? It's... GONE!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 8 April 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I really don't like it....its so thin. So unfunky and uncool and unfun.

Don't get me started on that saxophone wankery.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 8 April 2004 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

wankery

I am tired of all this incessant anti-masturbation slander

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 April 2004 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

great song ('hojl'). rough and dirty sounding, catchy as the plague, totally danceable

― Charlie Howard, Sunday, 5 August 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

I actually prefer "Whoo... Alright, Uh-Huh" (or whatever it's called) off of the last album to this. Still a good song though.

― the next grozart, Sunday, 5 August 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Ban Manalishi.

― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 5 August 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

[seething, definitive putdown of HOJL here]
not even worth wasting intellectual energy.

― blunt, Sunday, 5 August 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

WAYUH is soooo much better than House of Jealous Lover

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Lovers, even

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 5 August 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

this song is really bad. whenever i hear it out i go to the bathroom. djdee is otm re unfunky

― elan, Sunday, 5 August 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I never understood the appeal of this song. I never thought it was bad, just boring and unremarkable.

― filthy dylan, Sunday, 5 August 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

Hate, have hated, and will continue to hate this song.

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 5 August 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

"House of Jealous Lovers" rules. U R all ghey.

― The Reverend, Sunday, 5 August 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

no, you just like shit

― elan, Sunday, 5 August 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

One of the best songs to dance to in this fuckin' century.

― zeus, Sunday, 5 August 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

whatever happened to this band?

― scott seward, Sunday, 5 August 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

They released a good-to-excellent album last year.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 5 August 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Uh, more towards the "good" end of that particular continuum.

― The Reverend, Sunday, 5 August 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

i never heard it. and barely remember that it came out. i missed that last yeah yeah yeahs album entirely too. and the strokes album. not that i was LOOKING for them or anything. but they didn't hit my dim-bulb radar at all. i saw the shins and the arcade fire on t.v. though. and spoon. making me an expert on those bands.

― scott seward, Sunday, 5 August 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

out of the rapture and the other bands scott listed, the only bands that still register for me in terms of their new content are spoon and the rapture. through with caring about yeah yeah yeahs (if i ever did in the first place), the arcade fire, and the strokes (though strangely enough i really like the first two records if i'm pushed to say it)

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 6 August 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

Really bad management of the HOJL lovers - how long did it take their label to release the album, a full year?

― milo z, Monday, 6 August 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

HOJL buzz, not lovers. I don't know where that came from.

― milo z, Monday, 6 August 2007 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

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