NEW ORDER ask BRIAN ENO to produce their next album?!?!?!?!

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Holy...I think I'm going to lose consciousness at the mere thought...
they're only the best band in the history of the universe and he's...no slouch himself, particualarly as a producer...I can't breathe.

It's probably just a rumour. Damn April Fools.

― bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.neworderonline.com/News.aspx?NewsID=794

― bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i think eno needs them now more than they need him but it could end up cool

― duke world, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

If it's half as good as the last one, it'll be brilliant.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

This means, of course, that Liz Fraiser must give up her left thumb. HOW CUM ALL THEZE BRITS HAVE THEZE PAX W/ THE DEVIL?

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh. Leckie and Street produced two of my favourite albums of all time, and Eno is just god.

If this isn't true I'll MAKE it true. With a pointed stick.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

is one of them trashcan sinatras

― duke goldfinger, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

they should just produce themselves, for chrissakes.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

oh my god selzer is up too

― duke too, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I sense disaster in epic proportions... At this point, either they should just produce it themselves or get somebody completely foreign to their sound/genre (a la Cure asking Ross Robinson).

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

This kind of shit will only work if E2E4 re-enters the UK Charts at #1 and stays there for as long as the longest dick forest tree. Insomnia: nice to meet cha.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

they should ask phoenix to do it, or air

― duke france, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it also generally known here that supposedly Gillian is out of the band now?

― bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

eno's back catalogue is being reissued!!!! at the end of may as well... *having a brian eno moment*

― doomie x, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

That would explain why Fopp were knocking most of the previous issues at a fiver each a few months ago...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Half Man Half Biscuit to thread.

― mzui, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this might be a hoax. NOOL tends to be a hive of rumour, however there are some insiders around that site too, so you never know....

― Dr.C, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You might have heard on Radio 4 that Eno was also recently drafted in to work on the new Archers theme tune. The story is here. Ho ho ho.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Crikey!!! Wot would Eno do for the Archers theme tune!?!?! It'd probably sound like a croos between the Windows 95 opening music and a cow mooing!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Thadd B hott yo

― LC, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Eno was actually supposed to produce Technique but that fell through.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i think eno needs them now more than they need him

Yeah, what with them being on a commercial high and having churned out a plethora of brilliant songs in the last 10 years and still being really relevant and all... [/sarcasm]

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

hur, not like Emu has, then?

sorry, 'Eno' I mean.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I hardly think Brian Eno's ever been on a "commercial high", so the comparison simply ain't valid. Thing is, he just carries on in his own merry way, whereas NO have meant nothing since they released Technique.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Eno has produced for James in recent years so really this news is 'ehh...'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i made a couple of phone calls...seems it's true that he's been approached, but not certain to happen. So we're none the wiser!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah — with respect to the "need to do it" argument, I don't really see Eno's press agent telling him what an important thing this is to do for his "career".

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

d + j, what's this I hear about insomnia? I'm up till 4am every night. it's easy when you don't have to be a work untill 1pm.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000583F.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Ahhh... (stretches arms)

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

doesnt this just mean they'll sound (even more) like piddley-era U2 and james though? how come everyone's excited? what's with u people? haven't u all heard republic and get ready?! am i missing something here?

('TECHNIQUE' : my favourite pop album of ever ever).

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"whereas NO have meant nothing since they released Technique"

pretty subjective. a whole lot of people were into the very last one (only2-3 years ago?), and moreover i bet they actually do a lot better than you might think commercially, albeit in a more worldwide scenario (many bands do). and eno's the one who has been putting out crap for ten years...(the robt. wyatt work notwithstanding)

― duke surprise, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think gillian is out of the band permanently, she didn't participate much for a while because they had a young child or something, but it didn't sound like a permanent thing (so, I don't expect corgan back on the next one).

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

every NO album since Brotherhood has had at least one classic song, and since you can always find the record used a month after it comes out, I say, KEEP going! even if their records are just one great single and the rest filler.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

Sorry for being subjective on ILM. I won't let it happen again.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

whereas NO have meant nothing since they released Technique

"Regret" means a whole lot to me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

_Get Ready_ is their second-best album after _Movement_.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Ready was terrible.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost as bad as _Movement_ (sorry Dan).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

noodle, i certainly didn't think you were aesthetically wrong in being subjective. but the fact is they still do well. and that eno doesn't have too much to show for himself from the last ten years either way.

― duke laid back, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Dan, except for the last two words of his post.
I thought Gillian had some sort of illness that neccessitated the long-term break from the band (and therefore, the long-term sub of Billy Corgan).

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

_Technique_ is an incredible album, as well. Beyond that, NO really should stick to singles because their other efforts don't work as a coherent whole, whether it's due to sequencing, song selection, or awful, awful mixing.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Ready had nice pictures of girls.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It also had ten great songs on it.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

That never hurts!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

**_Get Ready_ is their second-best album after _Movement_.**

Venga Dan, cheers to you. I don't believe I've ever actually been in a situation where that thought has come to me, but by god, you're right!

Dr. C - I've been reading your posts and I gotta say someone who's crazy about Crispy Ambulance AND Chic AND thinks "Dragnet" is the best Fall album is a lot more than just okay in my book.

― bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Ready didn't sound like a New Order record to me. It sounded like they were following, not leading, and it sounded too much(and hell, looked too much) like a 90s brit-pop record.

If people really thing Get Ready and Movement are New Order's two best albums, I'd assume those people appreciate New Order more as the post Joy Division brit-pop new wave band then as the influential dance act that mixed excellent new wave pop songwriting with cutting-edge electronic dance production styles.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, frankly the first description sounds more entertaining, see. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I was introduced to New Order via "Pretty In Pink". I heard and loved "Shell-Shock", then picked up _Substance_ when it came out and fell completely and totally in love with every song on it, especially "True Faith", "Subculture", and "Temptation". However, when I got to the albums, I discovered some shocking things:

- When they differed, the _Substance_ versions of the singles were almost always better than the album versions. In fact, the only instances where this wasn't true were "Temptation" and "Confusion".

- In particular, the _Low-Life_ singles were FUCKING UNBEARABLE on the album and completely ruined the experience for me.

- _Power, Corruption & Lies_ starts out strong but then fades into a shapeless, uninteresting blur halfway through the album.

- _Brotherhood_ never even made an impression on me; I might as well have never even heard it for all I remember of it.

- _Movement_, _Technique_, _Republic_ and _Get Ready_ all have a focus running through the albums that is just not their on their mid-period albums. I don't think it's an accident that at the height of their popularity NO was largely considered to be an excellent singles band; in fact, given their extreme club focus it would be more surprising if they didn't focus on their singles over their albums.

- IMO, the beginnings of the decline of The Hacienda marks the beginning of them rediscovering how to put together an album.

I wouldn't know about the Britpop comparison because when Britpop was at its height I was listening almost exclusively to drill n bass. If Britpop had actually sounded like _Get Ready_ to me, I would have paid more attention to it.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Temptation and Confusion weren't on any albums!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Well no shit they weren't, but the original 12-inch versions are completely different from the _Substance_ versions.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread got me to try and list new order albums in order of importance which is very foolish and impossible. actually it's just too time consuming to do right now. i will say that i really liked get ready, but there's no way i will agree that movement and get ready are their best. i'll take power, corruption, and lies and technique over those two any day.

too much italics in this post

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Bwahahaha... they are starting to realize ... RETRO is indeed New Order's greatest album. All according to my plan ... (thumbs stack of bills)

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think if i had encountered _P,C & L_ before _Technique_, I would have a very different opinion of it.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"I was listening almost exclusively to drill n bass"

too much information.

anyways sumner is maybe the only recent singer to focus exclusively on the feelings he's having about relationships that i can stand. he does it well and it is no mean feat. *definitely on technique*

― duke blood, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

you pay attention to sumner's lyrics?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

dan is otm about the "excellent singles band" issue. (the artwork alone on some of the singles sends me into autistic aesthetic appreciation)

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"The picture you see is no portrait of me
It's too real to be shown to someone I don't know"

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"you pay attention to sumner's lyrics?"

it's funny i had friends growing up who always wondered why i noticed lyrics. i don't know what it's like not to. but i'd probably be able to like a lot of music that i don't if i didn't.

― duke notice, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the 12" and 7" versions of Temptation and Confusion are different from each other. Was that a radio vs. club thing or a hey, why not? thing? I don't know. Same for Love Will Tear Us Apart. My LWTUA 12" has 2 versions of the song. They were definately a singles band and the string of singles during the 80s were amazing, but I think all the records through Technique balance new wave pop with dance culture. I think after technique they were too old to be thinking about cutting edge underground dance sounds, or maybe it was pointless as house music went mainstream for a spell in the early 90s. In all honesty, in the early 80s their dance productions where innovative, but by Technique, they were more derivative. Which is not a point against it. Technique is when they heard the chicago and manchester acid sounds that were in turn so inspired by their earlier club records(in turn inspired by electronic dance music from new york and italy) and wrote their pop songs on top of that style. For instance, I always mix from Adonis's No Way Back into Fine Time. It's meant for that.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

how about "fine time" into "this is acid"?

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Will someone please tell me how to post in italics? Tricky?

I've come to like PCL more and more over the years, but I still don't think it holds up as a particularly consistent album.

"Temptation" was actually the only time I felt the Substance version was better than the original 12" version. (yes I know about the different Ceremony versions, but that's a whole other ball of complicated wax I don't wanna get into)

― bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

without the spaces: < i > WORD IN ITALICS < / i >

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, Mr. Selzer, my favorite NO song is actually "Everything's Gone Green", but since it and many other of NO's best dance tracks from the same period didn't appear on albums, it's unfair to conclude that a person who thinks GR and Movement were their best albums has automatically failed to appreciate that they were amazing dance/electronic pioneers.

Thanks, Naive Teen Idol!

― bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

a. say what you will, but i like sumners lyircs
b. i think the eno collab will be cool
c. "everything's gone green" is also my favorite new order song

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

even disregarding the singles, I think Power Corruption and Lies, Low-Life and Techique are better records then Movement or Get Ready, so I'm not just saying it's about the singles.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Bernard gay, or is it an act?

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard he's gay, from a behind the scenes/under the sheets sorta source.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Contemplating the idea of Get Ready being "New Order's best album besides Movement" is enough to give me an epileptic fit.

I think the Eno collab would've been a much better fit 20 years ago, but very cool to hear about Leckie and Street.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Ready sucks.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

doesn't bernard have several children?

― duke matter, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

c'mon duke, gay men can still procreate when and if they have sex with a woman. Alternately, they can adopt, or kidnap, other people's children.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

but why bother

― duke bother, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Selzer, I just have one more point to bring up about Get Ready and then I'm happy to let this thread die, if that is how it shall be.

If a person listens to the first minute or two of "Someone Like You"
from Get Ready and then STILL feels they were just "following the crowd" on this album, what artists/bands/songs/albums SOUND like the first minute or two of "Someone Like You"? IF you can name any, I'll gladly and quite honestly check them out.

― bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

This takes me back. I remember a friend of mine who at the time loved both Eno and Joy Division. He absolutely despised the first New Order lp (after so much anticipation and all). He said that a more apt title for the record would have been "Bowel Movement".

Haven't seen this guy for 20 years now, but the "Bowel Movement" crack has stayed with me. (And upon hearing the record, who could disagree with the ammended title?)

― kjoerup, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(And upon hearing the record, who could disagree with the ammended title?)

I could. It's an absolute masterpiece, as is Get Ready btw.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Ready is a great record, though with some lyrical weaknesses that are just a bit too common. It does, however, have the worst album cover in recent history.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Late, but i still have to completely second VengaDan's assessment upthread.
The mid-career albums, Brotherhood and esp. Lowlife are pretty shapeless and somehow do not stick around with me.
P,C&L should have been their best moment, but was ruined by the proto-Blue Monday doodlings on side 2 (ultimately saved by the awe-inspiring 'Leave me alone').
Republic is mostly just above average (except 'Regret' and 'Ruined in a Day'), but probably gets away with it for being consistently (and safely) pleasant. It's also the album I have the strongest memories attached to, but that's another matter.
But I'll have to put the untouchable Technique above Dan's faves...

xpost: ?! I love that cover!

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't listened to Get Ready since it came out. If I have a chance to borrow it from someone, I'll listen again.

But my comments about following the crowd were specifically regarding their place in the history of electronic dance music, the shift from the influence of Blue Monday/Confusion to the chicago/manchester acid influences on Technique.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Who would this board rather produce the new record - steve osborne or brian eno? I heard that they were heading into the studio with osborne about a year or so about from new order online, so who knows? I'd see what eno has up his sleeves rather than hearing an older, poppier doves record (disclaimer: I would still this find fantastic, however). I mean, it might end up uneven, but if everyone is so concerned with retrograding (to borrow a pun) its probably the way to go.

I also think its unfortunate that the band stopped producing themselves. The new order remix of regret was the shit. I think their age and acute laziness has something to do with this development.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd be interesting, to be sure — for all his genius and reputation, Eno hasn't really produced much in the way of electronic pop. Not New Order's kind, anyway. I mean, they ain't no Devo...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I listened to Get Ready for the first time in about 18 months a couple of days ago and was struck by how Turn my Way (the Corgan collab) was by far the best thing on it. The album is too much of its time, too much like Britpop, too much like the worst track on Monaco's Music for Pleasure, ie Buzzgum (a track which shocked me in its awfulness in contrast with the rest of the album, which went some wa to compensate for the long-term NO hiatus, which perhaps shows just how reliant NO are on Hooky's basslines).

I don't think Eno's production will compensate for the fact that the band have gone full-out for a more guitar based sound these days and what was always refreshing about the old albums (including the much maligned Brotherhood, which I really like) was the mixture of guitar based and electronic tracks. If NO think they're going back to a more Joy Division type sound, then much as I respect and admire them they are deluding themselves. They might be playing JD songs in their live sets these days but the proper JD sound is something impossible to bring back - not just coz it would involve resurrecting Ian C but coz of some indefinable spirit of the late seventies and early eighties.

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

This 'Britpop' thing baffles me. The usually OTM Mark H mentions it and somebody else did upthread. Rock The Shack isn't up to much, but that aside it's classic all the way. I think Dan has a point in that they don't really *lead* anymore, but I don't think they follow either - they've created their own space and they do what they do. And it's still great.

I think laziness is one of the reasons why they've gone back to guitars - they hardly do any programming these days and have had Roger Lyons program up all the old stuff that they do live. I just don't think they can be arsed to spend time on multi-layered epics like Thieves Like Us and The Perfect Kiss these days. Also Gill's not involved anymore of course.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to remember what Brutal, the track they did for The Beach soundtrack sounded like now. Coz that was perhaps my first indication that NO were beginning to tire and lose their sheen. I was quite happy to accept that any failings of Republic were due to Stephen Hague toning down the bass in the mix and for a general unease in the band's ranks re the Facotry demise (what I think Steve Morris described as " 'what the hell is going on?' tension" in an interview at the time). I much prefer Republic to Get Ready - I was humming Chemical to myself this morning! Spooky is a wonderful track as well - it's a shame that it was remixed all trancey -like when it came out as a single at the tail-end of '93.

Dr C's comments explain a lot, but what about Here to Stay? Stopped me dead in my tracks as I was about to leave the cinema at the end of 24 Hour Party People - I'd be v happy if at least some of the tracks on the new album resembled that.

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not v keen on Republic. Whilst I think Hague is a rotten producer, a bigger problem was that Hooky had actually lost interest in playing bass. Also, the band hated each other.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the decision to go back to the guitar based sound might be a result of the band completely hating each other. i mean, aside from cocaine and all that other shit, the impression i got about their breakup is that it was mostly due to constantly fucking up live which was a result of changing setlists and programming issues.

kinda like 'yeah we can get back together, but no more fucking around with computers and such..'

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

is that just total speculation?

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please work with Flood.

Thanks, Dan.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please co-produce with Timbaland and have Alan Moulder engineer

Thanks,
Spencer

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I cannot fathom why New Order insisted on using sequencers on stage. SO many things to go wrong. Depeche Mode got wise quick and switched to tape. Why not these famously lazy bastards?

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

they were keeping it real

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw a concert they did a few years ago on TV sometime last year and it was pretty hot. they still got it

― duke glastonbury, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please work with Alan Rankine circa The Associate's Sulk.

Just a silly thought,

a fan

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Or better yet, Billy MacKenzie! Dan Selzer OTM!

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

But Alan made better music then Billy. Although Billy's solo Ice Cream Factory is one of the most sublimely beautiful peices of electronic pop dance bliss ever recorded, who exactly produced that?

And umm, Billy's no longer with us. I finally got the BEF record where they do It's Over, though.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please work with Flood.

*tries to determine Dan's level of wryness*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish New Order would split up. There was one phrase I never wanted to hear in my life, and that phrase was "love YEAH love will tear us apart again COME ON!" Thanks Bernie. Thanks a lot.

― Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty damn wry.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 April 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, if you can have Rankine ca. Sulk, I can have Billy -- dead and all. Trust me, it's better this way.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

WHOA WHOA WHOA...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 April 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please work with a dead person,

Thanks, bimble

― bimble (bimble), Thursday, 22 April 2004 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

like Ian Curtis?

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 22 April 2004 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please work with Felix the Housecat.

Keep the faith,
Baaderio

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

An old-skool Factory-style revisted LP with someone like Chris Nagle would work for me. I realize that many would consider this to be a backwards step, but there's still some unfinished business from back then. Such an album could be considered as a follow-up to Movement....just the thoughts of an old FAC head.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

they should work with Nigel Godrich for a laugh

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please stop letting Arthur Baker do things to Confusion. Face it - it will always be rubbish.

Cheers,
coco

― coco, Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

New Order to work with the producer of U2 and James? Pardon me if I find this news rather underwhelming, can't they work with someone with more taste?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

eno is an ideas man. the james and u2 stuff is a small part of a rather large cv. i bet just having him around the studio would make the creative dynamic more dynamic.

― tricky disco, Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Who else has he produced in the last 10 years?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

He did a couple of songs on Slowdive's Souvlaki, which were fantastic btw.

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

here ya go dadaismus: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/discog.html

i would copy it here, but the list is huge.

― tricky disco, Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this stuff he's produced or stuff he's played/appeared on?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah yes, good ol' diety Eno.

― Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

what does it say at the top of the page </smartass>

― tricky disco, Thursday, 22 April 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, OTM

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 April 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,
Please stop letting Arthur Russell do things to confuse you. Face it - it will always be cello.

Cheers,
NTI

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 April 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear New Order,

Please work with John Robie, now that we all know he came up with the good shit, not Baker.

Love,

John Rocca

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Cello rhymes with Jello.

― bimble (bimble), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

Well I guess not:

Pitchfork:
New Order Get Ready for New Album
Has it been eight years already?
Cory D. Byrom reports:
MTV reports that digipop sequinsizers New Order are already gearing up to begin work on their follow-up to 2001's Get Ready. This shows surprisingly speedy resolve for the notoriously molasses-paced band, as the gap between 1993's Republic and their previous outing was like a really long time. (Do the math, scholars.) The group has enlisted hotshot producers Stephen Street and John Leckie, both of which fetch top dollar in their field, as together, their track record spans work with John Lennon, Pink Floyd, The Smiths and Radiohead. New Order are hoping that each producer will be able to highlight the band's strengths in different ways, ultimately producing a varied and uneven result. (Wait, our words, not theirs.) There's no word on a release date yet, but if you're really, really, really, really patient, one will be surely revealed someday.

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

What's a sequinsizer? Is that when you go to the MacDonald's drive-thru window, ask them to supersize it, but the kid in the booth mishears you and applies the Bedazzler to your Big Mac instead?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

That's got to be some kind of joke, are they trying to be as MOR as possible? My suggestion: DFA.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Hooky has been playing a track from the new album at DJ sets he's done. I heard that there's loads of guitars on it, definitely not MOR! I'll hear it over the next few days, so will report back.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

oh my god :

http://www.nme.com/news/108611.htm

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Steven fecking Street.

I haven't heard the track that was aired out by PH yet, but I will do v. soon.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

htf is steven street gonna help them produce their "comeback dance record"?

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i did wonder that actually.

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

This is truly truly disappointing.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i've got faith in john leckie.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wish the band would have kept up with technology and such during their cocaine induced hiatus so they could produce themselves again..

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

It's slightly disturbing. Hm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

According to neworderonline, the as-yet-untitled new album will be released March 28th and they quote Warner Music as saying the first single will be released "very soon".

― Bimble..., Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

as yet untitled?

it's called 'Sugarcane'.

ssshhhhh.

― Ohyeyohyey, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure makes me want to pull out the Sonic Youth song by that name.

― Bimble..., Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

as yet untitled?

it's called 'Sugarcane'.

ssshhhhh.

-- Ohyeyohyey (Nowhearthi...), December 22nd, 2004.

I thought that was the single? Produced by Tore Johansson, according to neworderonline.com

― coco, Thursday, 23 December 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I doubt March will happen - apparently some tracks are being redone with Brian Higgins, but work has not progressed v. far.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 December 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Phudded all uppa

― No Willie, Friday, 24 December 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

New Order's site says they're getting Lu Cont to do remix work and still lists March as the release. Barney loved the What You Waiting For remix like the rest of us.

link

― jsk baby (jsk baby), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of Barney, has anyone heard the Ride track called "BarneyS" that was one of those extras from the Ride box set? Hearing Ride do a New Order impersonation was kindof cool, I think, and it's a nice tribute.

― Bimble..., Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh, this news - plus the fact ROC have announced a show in February - makes me a happy bunny

― coco, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT?

ROC info nownownow please...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

wow. ROC: i'd completely forgotten about their entire existence.

and now i want to hear "cheryl" more than i want life itself.

a night of hunting through every fucking CD in the house awaits.

xx-post: no! but i'd like to.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Found it: http://www.rocmusic.com/

Easier than I expected, in fact. Wow, I've been waiting to see them for 10 years. Bet they'll be rub. Def going anyway...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

If the third ROC opus dropz this year then it will all be worth it glee glee. I wish they'd play outside of London. That they are still not dead is, like, the best thing in the whole world.

― Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, I really should check back here more regularly after posting.

If it is any help, I got this email back in September ...

hi xxxx

thanks for your message.

ROC has just completed new recordings and we hope to announce some releases
shortly. we're preparing for more shows to support the releases. so we'll be
sending some news around soon.

so please don't give up hope - though hope is bad if it precludes action...

thanks

patrick

― coco, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i've just taken five minutes to read this whole thread (i didn't exist in april). now, new order are my favouritest band in the whole widey world, but what the fuck is with the get ready love? if there's a lazier, more half-assed will-this-do effort out there, i've yet to hear it. i mean. rock the fucking shack. jesus WEPT.

but here to stay kicked 17 shades of ass in all its various forms. like someone else said: that is what the new album needs to sound like.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

funny to see ROC in a thread about eno since he refers to them in his 1995 diary 'a year of swollen appendices'. entry for feb 9 says: 'spoke to pete burgess about ROC stuff for Finch'. reading back it seems eno was asked to supply music to this (Nigel) Finch for a tv doc about stonewall. apparently eno too busy so he asks ROC to supply it - did it ever happen? no further mention of it far as i can tell

― ken bailey, Friday, 7 January 2005 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Get Ready had some naff parts, but can you really argue with:

Crystal
Primitive Notion
Someone Like You
Run Wild

???

I suppose you could, but I wont. I love Get Ready and am pretty damn excited about the new record..

― major jingleberries (jingleberries), Friday, 7 January 2005 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"Crystal" (the album version) was the best song of 2001.

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 January 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

john mcentire is producing the pastels album, they must want it to suck.

― keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 January 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

From neworderonline...

Jan 06, 2005 - 8:48:13 AM - 2005 is a big year for New Order. Promotional copies of their upcoming single, titled Krafty will be sent to radio stations on January 24th.

The single is scheduled to be released on March 14th, but this date isn't fixed.

Their upcoming album, Waiting For The Sirens Call is scheduled to be released on March 28th in the UK.

Phil Cunningham is also reported to be a full time member of New Order from now on, replacing Gillian Gilbert.

Jan. 24th is only 14 days from now. Breathe...

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 10 January 2005 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

WHERE'S THE APOSTROPHE, BOYS?

Waiting For The Siren's Call? Come on now.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 10 January 2005 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently, they couldn't decide whether to make it 'Waiting For The Siren's Call' or 'Waiting For the Sirens' Call', and Peter Saville suggested it should be neither.

― coco, Monday, 10 January 2005 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

is eno still that great a producer though?

― ppp, Monday, 10 January 2005 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

FUCKING DESIGNERS AND THEIR MANGLING OF GRAMMAR!

had to get that off my chest ;)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 10 January 2005 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's supposed to be read as

Waiting for the Sirens?

Call New Order!

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 10 January 2005 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Waiting For The Sirens Call is a very un-newordery title.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 10 January 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

mind you, so was "get ready".

i dunno. how can i be so massively unexcited about a release by what is (used to be?) my favourite band in the universe? i mean, i wasn't exactly hyped about "get ready", but it still managed to be more of a letdown than i could ever have imagined.

however, i remain willing to be proved wrong ...

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 10 January 2005 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

remember elton john got married to renate,his publicity assistant in 80's .
anyway
retro 9/10
technique 8/10
republic 7/10
get ready 6/10

every album from brotherhod - 3 brilliant songle and 3 gr8 songs that could be singles.

― spo0oker, Monday, 10 January 2005 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Waiting For The Sirens Call sounds like a title Sisters of Mercy would come up with.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

for some bizarre reason it keeps making me think of the line "waiting for the death blow" from "100 years" by the cure. i think this is my mind trying to will the new NO album into sounding like "movement".

i would LOVE it if the new album sounded like "movement".

but it won't. like the last one, it will almost certainly sound like members of electronic, revenge and the other two having a jam and wondering where the old magic went. (answer: it left with gillian. but i've posted long and hard about this in other places over the past five years, and i have work to do, and i'm going to shut up now.)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 10 January 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

er, five years? sorry, that's bollocks. two years, or whatever it is since "get cheddy" came out.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 10 January 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

This album better be really fucking good. I'm sick and fucking tired of disappointing new dance albums.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a crap album title, though, with or without the apostrophe. Though I like that the single is called "Krafty" - maybe you get some free cheese when you buy a copy?

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

re new ROC stuff anticipated above, the new single "Princess" is now out on 7" and download. please check www.rocmusic.com for details, thanks

― rocmusic, Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Apparently Eno's working with Travis. I think he must find it challenging working with dull bands.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

please check www.rocmusic.com for details, thanks

hmmmmmm. it's ... disappointing. sorry.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 21 July 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

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