What was the last great album to be released?

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I have no idea. Any thoughts?

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

new album leak alert thread

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

What's that got to do with it?

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe I should rephrase the question.

What was the last totally great album that is will become classic and canonized?

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone who says outkast or interpol loses my respect and admiration for all time

― the surface noise made by people (electricsound), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Missy Elliot - Under Construction

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Carina Round - The Disconnection

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

No such thing as great or classic, only personal favourites that people agree on. So Outkast! (Sorry Jim.)

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Pet Sounds.

― hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is innately flawed

― the surface noise made by people (electricsound), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I was hoping to spark discussion.

And that's kind of the point. Can an album be judged as worthy of classical status before it's deemed classic? Can we predict the canon?

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

What albums released in recent years will be considered great in the future?

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

how far in the future?

― jubal harshaw (jube), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

In the future women shall rule the Earth (musically):
http://www.blackmailmag.com/images/MUSICA/cat-power-cover.jpg http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005208Y.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg http://deroojankovic.xs4all.nl/proxis/covers/vespertine.jpg

― jubal harshaw (jube), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

just to get it out of the way: the streets (either one)

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

15 years in the future

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Are we talking Q/Mojo/VH-1 type canon? Or something a bit more ILM-y? Canons be fragmenting.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I see zebedee has beaten me to it, but the point can't be stressed enough.

A Grand Don't Come For Free = Classic Classic Classic.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

<em>Are we talking Q/Mojo/VH-1 type canon? Or something a bit more ILM-y? Canons be fragmenting.</em>

Hmmm... that's tough. A bit more ILM-y. Maybe it would appear in a Mojo record guide though.

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Kish Kash innit. Best thing the Jaxx have ever done, best thing they'll ever do, nothing really like anything else ever, end of.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Basement Jaxx definitely occurred to me as well. I'm not sure if I'd take Kish Kash over Remedy or Rooty though.

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Kish Kash is amazing but not a Q/Mojo type canon album, it wasn't received with a great deal of enthusiasm. It's A Grand Don't Come For Free, unfortunately.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Kish Kash might qualify for Q/Mojo type canon. It's got the cross-over appeal. It's dance music that's owned by people who don't really listen to dance music much.

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

'Since I Left You' may be the last album I am COMPLETELY happy with

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I think my own personal canonical album is probably Sound Of The Underground, Boy In Da Corner or The Disconnection.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.perrific.com/cds/covers/williams.jpg

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The New Pornographers' 1st album!

― stumpyjoe (stumpyjoe), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Pole: "1".

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever came out yesterday

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever Wolf Eyes released most recently.

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I vote for "The Meadowlands." Nobody gives that album enough cred for being the OK Computer of indie rock.

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ummm, what was OK Computer "the OK Computer of"?

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Second Since I Left You and add Leaves Turn Inside You and Murray Street to the mixxx.

― Rubberband Man (Rubberband Man), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Rubberband Man, I kiss you 3 times. (PS LTIU IS TEH BESTEST EVAR. SOMETHING ABOUT HOW JAWESOME IT IS REMINDZ ME OF LUVLEZZ)

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Machina, the machines of God, OBVIOUSLY!!!

― Billy C., Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

http://icarus.cc.uic.edu/~bsaund1/cold%20vein.jpg

― autovac (autovac), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Discovery
Pig Lib*

*I wish

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Realistically, "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" and "Speakerboxx/Love Below" are the two recent albums most likely to show up on VH1 countdowns yet unborn, but future ILMers will gush over first Decemberists album in future C/D threads. Even if you're not about them now, believe me, this band is just going to get better and better.

Hopefully my children won't still be hearing about "Loveless," though.

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

indie suqz you are all gay

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread goes against everything Tom has struggled to inculcate in us

So carry on

― de, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ABBA Gold the DVD edition!

There, that's better.

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Echoes
Satan's Kickin' Yr Dick In
Fever
Voodoo

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever came out today

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg300/g324/g32492kwhes.jpg

Came out today. How is this record possibly "Parental Advisory"?

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.clara.net/antoni/kj2003.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

everyone knows it's dEUS' Worst Case Scenario.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"Suds! SODA!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Of the ones mentioned so far, Lucinda Williams is one of the great singer/songwriters/performers and 'Car Wheels' is her career highlight. 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot' comes close but isn't the best that Wilco can do. The Streets new album is great, but doesn't a classic have to be something you can listen to often?

― dymbel, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

doesn't a classic have to be something you can listen to often?
quite the opposite, if anything

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Prefab Sprout "Andromeda Heights"

― Gary Shipes, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Just to clarify: I wasn't proposing YHF be canonized, simply stating that it probably will be.

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

the first strokes record

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever comes out tomorrow

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Also just to clarify: Yes, boys, having any sort of "canon" is inherently dishonest and exclusionary, but it's also sort of inevitable, if we want to have any sort of common ground to discuss music. The important thing is to make sure the "canon" is constantly being expanded/revised/questioned/etc.

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Top 10 albums of the 00s most likely to be canonized by the "establishment":

Beck, "Sea Change"
Bob Dylan, "Love and Theft"
Missy Elliott, "Under Construction"
Eminem, "The Marshall Mathers LP"
PJ Harvey, "Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea"
OutKast, "Speakerboxxx / The Love Below"
Radiohead, "Kid A / Amnesiac"
Strokes, "Is This It"
White Stripes, "White Blood Cells"
Wilco, "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc OTM but I think the Strokes are going to be remembered as lame.

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The ODB, obv. Both his amblems.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc you frighten me. i'd like to subscribe to yr newsletter.

the bob dylan choice is perplexing to me.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://mary-kateandashley.com/music/images/columbia_i_am_the_cute_one.jpg

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

christ, lets not turn this into ILM-K&A

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

All I really did to come up with that list was look at the Pazz & Jop Top 10 for 2000-03. Dylan won HANDILY in 2001, with almost twice as many votes as the Strokes -- so there's no way you can argue that Love and Theft isn't one of the most critically loved albums of the '00s. Then again, you could just as wellmake the case that it's an example of a collective Dylan-is-the-best-ever kneejerk, and that in a few years the album itself will be forgotten. I mean, I certainly don't hear anyone talk about the influence of Love and Theft the way I hear people talk about the influence of Eminem/Radiohead/White Stripes, etc.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I just imagined all the old codgers voted for it. Those critics that like Dylan/Lucinda Williams/Elvis Costello/London Calling/zzzzzzz are my least favortie kind.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Hail to the Thief? Especially if they happen to not release another LP.

Realistically though, Speakerboxxx/Love Below.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with the Avalanches nod upthread. It's flawless.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Top 10 albums of the 00s most likely to be canonized in the Weirdo ILM Canon:

Avalanches, "Since I Left You"
Basement Jaxx, "Kish Kash"
"Boom Selection Issue 01"
Daft Punk, "Discovery"
Missy Elliott, "Under Construction"
Luomo, "Vocalcity"
Michael Mayer, "Fabric 13"
Dizzee Rascal, "Boy in Da Corner"
Sonic Youth, "Murray Street"
The Streets, "Original Pirate Material"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc, where's the Wolf Eyes/Animal Collective/Acid Mothers Temple/Lightning Bolt/Black Dice love at?

― NOISE DUDES (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha. You know, I just realized that I'm taking "ILM" to mean "Michaelangelo Matos."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I did forget Jay-Z, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

thank god no one's mentioned Radiohead.

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

...that's cos it was a bore.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(hides)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Avalanches thirded or fourthed. However, I must play the Old Lady card and bust out with the Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. You know why? 'cause i looove it, that's why

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

VISION CREATION NEWSUN

seiichi yamamoto: "and then i left the band, on stage at fuji-rock, i just threw up my guitar and it fell down and exploded, we had played the most perfect music we could ever play."

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Rovo sux u r all gay

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

see them live... don't hate on trance rock.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

VCN is perfect, but I don't know that's the last perfect record released. And Rovo really don't need to release any more records as far as I'm concerned.

― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f621/f62195uetqz.jpg

I AM BUYING THIS FOR YOU GYGAX!@!@

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

kanye west - the college dropout, BITCHES

― anz, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

haha no

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The last? Well, the Jason Forrest album came out about a week ago.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

eyehategod - dopesick
the exploding hearts - guitar romantic

― sean marvin (williamtell), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Kevin Drumm, Sheer Hellish Miasma

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Jaymc is right about Under Construction being one of the actual future canon picks - its rep seems to have grown enormously in the last year or so, and I suspect that it is - perhaps more than Speakerboxxx/The Love Below - the album where a critical mass of people finally "got" the idea of hip hop/pop/experimentalism all co-existing. Certainly it's a house party staple.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 20 May 2004 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Michael Jackson - Invincible
That William Hung Album

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! surely you are being sarcastic! or just plain silly. how silly of you!

The single off Invincible (Butterfly?) actually was pretty good. Esp. the remix w/Jay-Z!

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to seventh 'Since I Left You'.

And sixth 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot'.

― Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to negative 6 Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Missy Elliot is up there for sure. Andre 3000 gets my vote too. :P

― tester again, Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"ha! surely you are being sarcastic! or just plain silly. how silly of you!"

No, I'm soooooooooo completely serious.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like the strokes last album. It truly belongs on one side of a C90.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"ha! surely you are being sarcastic! or just plain silly. how silly of you!"

No, I'm soooooooooo completely serious.

Weeeeellllll, not me. (Or wait, what?)

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The weird thing about Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is it appears to be the benchmark for Stulifying Critical Acclaim in the US whereas over here it was just another record from a reasonable well-known American indie band, its not like any Brit magazines voted it anywhere near album of the year or anything (except possible Uncut).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

we have a lot of hangups as a nation

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I kinda feel that Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots gets a lot of critical attention in the same way that Wilco crud (haha I own it) does, although it is certainly more deserving!

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

1) Stone Roses - Stone Roses
2) The Queen is Dead - The Smiths
3) Surfer Rosa - The Pixies

All I can think of at the mo.

― Dean Birkett (Fynci), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Dean, you are a fucking moron!!!!!

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Jaymc is right about Under Construction being one of the actual future canon picks - its rep seems to have grown enormously in the last year or so

Yeah, of that Top 10 I listed, Under Construction is the only one that finished outside of the Pazz & Jop Top 5 for its year, so it's the only one I really "took a chance on" -- but I did so precisely because of what you said, Tim, about how its reputation has grown.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for your constructive criticism there Bill!, loosen up your Simon Cowell-esque pants, kick back, and understand the concept that "there is no right and wrong answer to the question".

Stone Roses debut is the best album ever released - do I need to write "in my opinion" to the end of every single post?, am I wrong?.....am I right?.....am I black? - oh nevermind.

― Dean Birkett (Fynci), Friday, 21 May 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.zulurecords.com/discorder/graphics/june2003/june/nina.jpg

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 21 May 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Music as an art form has seen a precipitous decline in quality beginning with the advent of recording so the question is a bit flawed, isn't it?

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

...

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't hear enough to answer the question, but the Dylan album is truly great and deserves to be remembered many years hence (though the politics are a bit off for me, and strike me as tonally wrong). The Dizzee record isn't 'great' but it's very good and feels significant and is distinctive and urgent enough to be remembered. Car Wheels is a bugless collection of extremely well-constructed songs that solidifies her artistic standing, but it doesn't feel great to me, perhaps because it seems to lack the resonance of the less-developed, messier Sweet Old World (which I like better). Maybe I'm just not local enough? Maybe it's more that I'm not into the romanticization-of-fuckups thing.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing from 2004 so far. Franz Ferdinand and Kanye West come closest.

From 2003, obviously SB/TLB will be on many VH1-esq lists in the future; further down the road, however, a few publications may occasionally get it right and opt to recognize Stankonia as the more deserving LP. Besides this, Elephant seems like the likeliest candidate. Other possibilities include Deloused In The Comatorium and Give Up, and I would classify Dear Catastrophe Waitress and Permission To Land as longshots, but I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility.

As for my own personal opinion, the last two really great albums released were both from 2002, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and In Search Of, both of which I'm completely aware are very un-exciting and unoriginal choices, and only YHF appears to be a future canonized record.

― billstevejim, Friday, 21 May 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

auburn lull 'cast from the platform' cause it makes me think i am listening to Bark Psychosis.

― keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Stone Roses debut is definitely a contender.

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Why Vocal City over Present Lover?

Jed- you don't really mean that about Run To Ruin, do you?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think The Present Lover divides too many people on ILM - there was no huge ILM enthusing over Vocalcity because it came out in 2000, but I suspect it has more united support. I love both equally.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 21 May 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What's interesting about Under Construction is that, perhaps dk's support aside, I haven't actually seen this retrospective reputation-upgrade written down anywhere; it's just a general vibe I get from what's played at people's parties, people talking about how they *love* Missy etc. It makes its sudden ubiquitous much more bearable than Outkast's (it doesn't hurt that UC is a better album obv).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 21 May 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd go for Vocalcity WAAAAY over Present lover.

and yes, adam, i absolutely mean it, it's a bit random to be a joke, no?

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 21 May 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.subpop.com/images/small/sfs-sev.gif

― daria g (daria g), Saturday, 22 May 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Philip Jeck - 7

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

So... what from the last 3 years would you add to the cannon?

― The Brainwasher, Monday, 19 March 2007 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Bjorn and John - Writer's Block (about which I'm minutes from starting a new thread)

― souldesqueeze, Monday, 19 March 2007 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

The only ones from this decade that I'd reckon will be canonical in, say, 20 years from now are Is This It, A Grand Don't Come for Free, Stankonia, and XTRMNTR.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine the White Stripes will hold up pretty well.

― souldesqueeze, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

I used to love A Grand Don't Come for Free but I've listened to it a couple times recently and I can't stand it anymore. Most of the choruses are so fucking irritating.

― Reatards Unite, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

Alex Smoke - Paradolia

― Cameron Octigan, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

THE DRIFT

― abanana, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

Black Ships Ate the Sky

― Drooone, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

The Breakthrough
Sound Grammar

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, just saw the "last three years" bit. Late Registration.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

Late Registration has somewhere in the vicinity of 3 songs that don't make me want to strangle the life out of Kanye West. (and/or Jon Brion. I'd settle for killing either one.) Grandiose twee-rap is a hateful thing. College Dropout, hot steamy shits, etc.

(Those three songs are muy excellent and quite possibly better than anything on his first, btw.)

The most recent great album is the <i>Hyphy Hitz</i> comp, obv.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

My guesses how "the canon" will treat 2003-2007

Automatically canonized:
The Black Album
American Idiot
The College Dropout

I think people are gonna realize Speakerboxxx/Love Below was overrated, and Stankonia will rise like Paul's Boutique.

Also, I think in 20 years, Animal Collective's Feels and Lightning Bolt's Ride The Skies will be regarded with the same "cult classics" connotation that Pink Flag and Entertainment! get now.

Just guesses. See you in 20 years.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Its interesting that a few years ago a canon could be described by Q/Mojo.
These days a Q Canon would be very different from a Mojo one. Was this always true? Maybe its not, but I self identify as a Mojo Reader but make it clear I don't read Q (as if anybody else cares about micro - nuances in 40-something retro rock fans' reading material).

Anyway: from the recent suggestions

Is This It - No, "last night" will always fill a dancefloor of born-in-the-late-80s but the album isn't strong enough to canon-ise

A Grand Don't Come for Free - Nope, too gimmicky which makes it dated already

Stankonia - yeah, just might be. Still sounds great to me anyway

XTRMNTR. - christ No, this will be remembered, if at all, as a 'huh, people liked these talentless junkie recyclers - why?'

Predicting a canon in 20 years time is always tricky because the canon itself is subject to current fashions.

For instance the ignored at the time The Zombies Odesey and Oracle is widely regarded as a classic and rightfully so, yet other albums which would surely have been future candidates for canon when they were current, are quite marginalised. Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells spent several years in the charts, yet I can't think of any recent interest in it from Mojo or on here (or, in my house come to think of it, it was maybe the third or fourth album I bought, but I've never replaced it with CD actually I'm not very sure I still have my copy).

― Sandy Blair, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh and my outside bet for something that will be regarded as canon in 20 years time is 'Ys'

― Sandy Blair, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

watching as mediocrity gets canonised around you in this inevitable, grinding fashion is even more dispiriting than dealing with the monolith of the existing canon of mediocrity

i hope none of the music i love best gets canonised

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

The still rather new Apples In Stereo. So far, that is.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

I used to love A Grand Don't Come for Free but I've listened to it a couple times recently and I can't stand it anymore. Most of the choruses are so fucking irritating.

So true. I can't listen to any Streets stuff anymore. Can't think of anything which has aged so quickly.

― Venga, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

whiney otm

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000M3452Y.01._SS400_SCLZZZZZZZ_V43753610_.jpg

― stephen, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

i hope none of the music i love best gets canonised

Unlikely to happen with Paris Hilton, I suspect.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Songs for the Deaf
Bubblegum

― grap-fu, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Lucinda Williams-West
Outkast - Idlewild (seems to have been overlooked by most)
NY Dolls - One Day It Will Please Us....

― outdoor_miner, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

I for one think the new LCD Soundsystem album is TERRIBLE.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I would hope one of the first three Outkast albums would be the future-canonical one, because Stankonia is kind of meh beyond the singles,

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Stankonia meh beyond the singles? No way! I haven't played it in a couple of years, but plenty of songs spring to mind beyond Miss Jackson, BOB (which is, along with Get your Freak On, the greatest single of the decade) and So Fresh, So Clean. Like, er, y'know! I can't remember the titles. But they're good! The rumble in the jungle one. The drum n bassy one. Slum Beautiful. Gasoline. Ah yes, it's all coming back to me now.
Aquemini is equally good - I'll give you that. Probably a more cohesive and consistent album, but nothing quite matches BOB.

Tinariwen's new one is fucking amazing. An instant classic.

Maher Shalal Hash Baz - Blues Du Jour (a masterpiece, seriously)
Animal Collective - Feels
Anything by Fanfare Ciocarlia
Richard Youngs - Sapphie
Gillian Welch - Time The Revelator
Giant Sand - Chore of Enchantment
Cat Power - You Are Free

I can't join in your praise for The Streets though. I've never liked his vocals and always thought Dry Your Eyes was a Drugs Don't Work for the noughties - mawkish shite.
Xtrmtr sounds awful now - rebel chic at its most transparent and sad.

― Stew, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

I agree that BOB is probably the single best thing they've done, but getting all the way through Stankonia is a chore, as opposed to say, ATLiens which I can put on and get lost in forever. I guess I kind of feel that Aquemini does what Stankonia does a lot better, and I'd even take Speakerboxxx/The Love Below over it on the basis of having a lot more songs I like.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Now I think about it Aquemini is indeed the better album. I certainly never found it difficult to listen to right though - it flows beautifully and packs a real emotional punch. It's got George Clinton on it! And Raekwon! And those amazing grooves - Spottieottiedopaliscious must the most chilled out song about going clubbing on E ever written. And the footstomping harmonica breakdown in Rosa Parks pwns Beck at his own game. I'd love to hear an extended outtake of Hold On Be Strong - it's gorgeous. Aw yeah! I can't have listened to it in about three or four years. All this shall change in the morning... Yay for this thread!

― Stew, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

And the footstomping harmonica breakdown in Rosa Parks pwns Beck at his own game.

rather an odd comparison! beck is roughly 948429933th in the list of artists who spring to mind as relevant to 'rosa parks'...

yeah, aquemini >>> stankonia but i'd be sad if any outkast album ended up as the token canonical hip-hop 95-05 album, which one of them inevitably will.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

I beg to differ. The song itself is nothing like Beck, granted, but the breakdown is kinda like some things he's done, only better. Less self-conscious, funkier. Of course, it's not like Beck isn't the first person to bust out the blues harp, or that he necessarily influenced Outkast, but y'know, hip-hop + blues - it's not that odd a comparison.

― Stew, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

The comparison makes sense enough to me.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

Last three years? Hmmm. Maybe:

Sun City Girls 'Carnival Folk Resurrection Radio'
Fennesz, 'Venice'
Califone, 'Roots & Crowns'
R. Kelly 'Happy People/U Saved Me'

― Mike McGooney-gal, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

Kate Bush Aerial no brainer ; )

― Surmounter, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

sleater-kinney - the woods (the best rock record of the past five years)
arcade fire - funeral (because no matter what anyone says, it's a fantastic record that basically everyone loves, and with good reason)
madvillain - madvillainy (a perfect album)

― Emily Bjurnhjam, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

The Wrens--Meadowlands

― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

according to my 100 + favourites/friends rateyourmusic users, these are the combined top rated albums from the 2000s

Radiohead - Kid A
Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Sigur Rós - Ágætis Byrjun
Maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye
Isis - Panopticon
Ulver - Perdition City
Maudlin of the Well - Bath
The Notwist - Neon Golden
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Damnation
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2
A Silver Mt. Zion - He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms
Neurosis - The Eye of Every Storm
Amon Tobin - Supermodified
Sigur Rós - ( )
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia

― djmartian, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Build your own canons, dude.

― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

"Rock Steady" - No Doubt

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

Moratorium on usage on "canon" as a superword on ILX, stat.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

sleater-kinney - the woods (the best rock record of the past five years)

iawtc

― stephen, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

"Canon" isn't a superword -- people agree on what it means and entails in a specific, objective way.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

If, for instance, I were playing billiards...

― unfished business, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'd lay my money on Whiney being right, especially about Lightning Bolt. I brought it in for a "close listening" thing in my audio production class, and it turned out that three guys (+me) who I wouldn't have guessed already had it, out of a class of 10 people.

― I eat cannibals, Thursday, 22 March 2007 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

Agalloch - The Mantle

A dissonant perfection of Folk Black Metal

― anthony, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

There's no answer to the thread question, but I can already tell that I'll be listening to the new Adult. record for a while. Once I put it on, I can't take it off, and I find something new in it every time. Usually a new level of bile.

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to be a broken record, but Shiina Ringo's Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana is definitely a candidate.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 March 2007 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

(It may take some time actually getting into the canon though.)

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 March 2007 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Why do I think the album would eventually make it (despite being Japanese and by an artist not marketed in the west, and hardly marketed outside of Japan even)? Because in addition to being just another great album (not that I think that's such a small thing at all), it has a uniqueness that is going to be hard to ignore.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 March 2007 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

― M.V., Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. I agree. Even if it isn't my favourite album, of recent times (it is very close though) I think it's got too much going for it not to be remembered as great. Especially with the O'Rourke/Albini/Parks trinity which will, I think look great on paper for a new generation discovering it in years to come. It's very canon-friendly in other words, but it is also very beautiful and is just odd enough to be on the same page as Trout Mask Replica on Mojo's Top 100 2020.

― I know, right?, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

I know, right? OTM

― Drooone, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

looks great ON PAPER.

― fandango, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

seemed like a good idea AT THE TIME

― fandango, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

The Weirdness

― Tim Ellison, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

Mine.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ned Raggett OTM.

― The Reverend, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

It may be heresy to some, but conceivably π would be at its best if it were Ϡ.

― M.V., Sunday, 25 March 2007 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

Trust me. Hilarious.

― M.V., Sunday, 25 March 2007 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get it.

― I know, right?, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

The last great album to be released was more than likely within the last few months, seeing as how there have been usually a mimimum of 3 great albums released every year since the 1950's.

― billstevejim, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

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