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OK this is getting a lukewarm critical reception but I think it's better than his first - more consistent musically, better flow to it, and more personal-sounding statement. I'd say
deadringer - 7
SWLS - 8

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with those comments ... but Deadringer was unpredictable and quite a bit bonkers. SWLS is a more restrained, Sunday afternoon on the patio record. Deadringer is a half drunk at 2 AM wrecking your parents cottage during a summer party album.
I'd say Deadringer - 8, SWLS 6.5

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I donno, songs like "Through the Walls" are really quite impressive...I don't get the patio vibe from them. "Walls" is great in a "Train in Vain," "Another Girl Another Planet" new wave pop-rock song way.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

so, not very roc-a-fella then?

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I was out driving around last night giving it a cursory listen when "Someone's Second Kiss" sort of struck me in the gut in that sad/melancholy kind of way. I'll probably listen to it later and not feel the same, but it was perfect in that moment.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

so, not very roc-a-fella then?

hell no, this backpacker has gone emo

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's one of the worst of the year. Disastrous career move.

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

at first i was like.. ok, vocals, not a horrible addition.

then, i was like--OH WAIT THIS IS RJD2 SINGING??

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like this. Im pretty shocked by the "La-la" reviews its recieved.

― NUXX (NUXX), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only seen really positive reviews, what are these la-la ones of which you speak?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

it's horrific

― duke badd, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

besides the (wrong) ones on here I mean

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

gulf of tankin'

― duke vietnam, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I downloaded the promo version with the 'DEFINITIVE JUX RELEASE MAY BLAH BLAH' crap on it, but all that rambling couldnt cover up all of the mediocrity i was hearing in the background.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Where's Nate/?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i was actually kind of enthused when i saw it in the "to be listened to today" pile at work yesterday, but, no, it's really quite bad. even after the new lenny kravitz and alanis, it's quite bad.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

after that thread detailing RJD2s lame attitude towards sampling/credits I really don't feel like further exposure to his "skills" is necessary...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"An ambitious effort, but a failure all the same." writes Urb, and I would agree. If you want to make an album by sampling different records, you'd better start with sampling some good music instead of cut-out bin crap.

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

haha well that's what you're left with when you don't want to pay sampling fees i guess! (or, you know, lack a keen ear.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

also, note to DJ/producers: PLEASE STOP TRYING TO PASS OFF SMOOTH JAZZ AS WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU DO.

thank you.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

man, this is kind of sad, this album sounds dire! oh well

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

s1ocki, if you haven't heard it yet, i would still listen to it, regardless of this thread

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i have to say that a lot of it did sound quite "seamless", in that it sounded like bad indie rock.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I had the same horrified (and bored) and bored reaction to it upon first listen, but the last half of the record contains a few interesting (or unlikely) tracks that very nearly redeem the whole thing in a sort of "okay, I think I get it now" sort of way.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah slocki, please understand that i listened to this once while doing ten other things. (i am sure i will have to hear it at least a few more times, however.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i did listen to that promo'd version a couple of times and couldn't really remember anything afterwards

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(about the album)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(or what i was doing in yemen in a gladiator outfit)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the lite jazz thing, however, is undeniable

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

do you think he's going to come over to this board and yell at us?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I quite like it! A lot of songs have mad flavour, very atmosphere-evoking or cinematic or what you want to call it. It’s not as good as I’d hoped after some online hype, but I like it. It often sounds more original and personal than Deadringer.

― Orange, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

oh surely we've been bitched out by bigger/better musicians than rjd2

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

now he's really going to go ballistic!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually don't listen to deadringer much anymore, though i still think i like ghostwriter a lot

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"sorry, rj, but you're just no saul williams, or ethan playing the guy from j5."

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

so what's his singing like?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

weedy.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

he doesn't... rap or anything, does he?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

it's EMO

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

To be clear: he only sings on one song. It isn’t great, but he sounds pretty sincere, so that’s something.

― Orange, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

http://hades.dorm.utexas.edu/~rickya/pics/bios/kelsie/cookiepenis.JPG

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

he sings on two songs.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(sorry that was a little jon williams-esque of me)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo = noise dude

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought that was a jon williams post at first!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i've become what i hate

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm? Which one then, other than ‘Making Days Longer’?

― Orange, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

but do you hate what you've become?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

btw the google search that brought that up was: fruity pebbles

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway that's not a very good picture of rjd2.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

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― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm? Which one then, other than ‘Making Days Longer’?

through the walls.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

haha that picture oh my.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

it really is quite evil.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

wacky times at THAT sorority, no doubt

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i have a funny feeling that picture is all i will remember about the album in a year's time.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

if by sorority you mean corporate-owned women's prison (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"becky i am totally going to BITE THIS PENIS"
"shu-up!!"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

do you think it tastes like a doughnut?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't love the album and I do admit I have trouble remembering it post-reviewing it (for Tracks), but I think it's better than "one of the worst of the year." anyway, I'm curious about one particular comment: JoB's "disastrous career move." in what way? and what does his career have to do with it? (note: I am thinking of "career" in the doing-business sense; maybe you mean something else)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

against my better judgement, i saw rj and diverse on monday. i'm not really sure why i did this, because i'm enh on the diverse record and really disappointed in the rj record, but i did it nonetheless. not surprisingly, the show was really mediocre. i might as well have stayed at home and eaten egg salad sandwiches while repeatedly punching myself in the face.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm pretty glad i missed the show and had a bbq myself, actually!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

slocki are you in toronto right now or did they play montreal too?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

montreal too!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

matos: i think the singing ruined his backpacker underground hip hop imagery. i will never look at him the same. call it a disastrous career move if you will.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

don't get me wrong, the kid is still talented. his last record put dj shadow to shame.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought of backpackers and emo-guys as being opposite sides of the same coin, but if that's how you feel I can't argue.

the DJ Shadow comment, however, I can and will argue with a LOT.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I played The Horror at a party once (during one of my two dj sets per year), and my friend/partythrower/DJ struck by it enough to play it at the local goth/industrial club that he dj's at. Apparently it was a big hit on the goth dancefloor.

And that's all I have to say about RJD2 (except that I won't be checking out this record).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, I hoped he would go in the True Confessions vein and do more slamming organic breakbeats + cock rock guitar tunes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

through the walls.

Ahh. Hmm. Thought that was sampled. Hmmm.

― Orange, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i still maintain that "YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF, AND THEN YOU NEED TO GO FUCK YOURSELF AFTER THAT" is the best thing that rjd2 has ever done.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, that post was classick.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

your goth friend's assessment of that track is absolutely correct, Jordan! good call on his part!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: RJD2 "dead ringer" vs. DJ Shadow "the private press"

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, that post was classick.

i totally thought that was the name of a track!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Strongo in not liking indie hip-hop shocker.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

oh dont give me that

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

there have been "weird"/"indie" rap records in my top 10s for the last five years running

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway I don't hear this "lite jazz" thing at all and I think Nate D.'s review of this album was really very very good.

Matos - Urb's was the "la-la" review I was thinking of.

Frankly, I think "Through the Walls" is extremely exciting and climactic.

after that thread detailing RJD2s lame attitude towards sampling/credits I really don't feel like further exposure to his "skills" is necessary...

What the fuck does this mean, and what does it have to do w/ the music he makes?

Is this like ILMers not liking an artist bcuz he says something rockist rather than bcuz of how his music actually sounds? (reverse-rockism).

xpost: no seriously strongo what indie hip-hop have you liked in the past 3 years. I'm curious.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

00: mike ladd; anti-poop; was the kid koala album that year?
01: can ox
02: i actually did like bits of the el-p album, and some of the aesop rock record (but would much rather here different MC's on the beats)
03: dizzee (ha ha)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Strongo in not liking indie hip-hop shocker.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you can add the solesides collection to 00 (or 01), but that's kind of a cheat

i am sure there's shit i'm forgetting too

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

haha sorry dj dee, i just don't consider bad indie rock with breakbeats "indie hip-hop"!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i am an asshole.

Seriously, I don't understand this "listen to the lite jazz!" critique. RJ never claimed to be on some next shit or anything, but I like this postmodern hip-hop deconstruction of classic 70s AM radio rock.

xpost "indie rock"?

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

dj dee: "man, i am just not feeling this squarepusher lp"
strongo: "dj dee in hating jungle"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"dj dee in never having a track record of like almost 2 jungle albums in 3 years"

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"like" = "liking"

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"track record"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously though, where's the "indie rock"?

PS: basically, the Cold Vein and Mike Ladd?

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

haha strongo heard quite enough "indie hip-hop" in the years between 1995-2000 (shockingly enough his late teens and early 20s), and has yet to feel the need to immerse himself in it again.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"Through the Walls" sounds like some 70s AM radio pop song.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

god forfuckingbid

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(actually it sounds like the Cars + Asia + LOVERBOY, suckas)

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, that is an endorsement

As long as we're flinging around decimal points: 9.1. Woulda been a shade higher without "Making Days Longer".

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I said 8 but I love the album! And I love that it sounds like a 70s AM radio pop song (I was defending it)

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That's good to know. As for allayall haters:

http://hipsterdetritus.blogspot.com/natedisagrees.JPG

― terminator backpacker (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

fred durst has really let himself go

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I am such a child

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

*ducks*

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't make me shoot you with my Momus laser eye

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

That picture of the girl eating the penis cookie upthread is really disturbing.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but it keeps a picture of me from being the most disturbing thing on the thread

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i swear i really was just looking for a picture of rappin fred from the fruity pebbles commercial!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't lie, Jess, you know you typed "penis cookie" into google. Just admit it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Calling 90% of what RJD2 does hip hop of any stripe (indie or otherwise) is deeply suspicious.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it's like, what, does he uses samples and beats and scratching and stuff? Shit no! He hires emo kids to play guitars and make them sound like turntables.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I like mainstream booty-clap money-folder mainstream rap a hell of a lot more than I used to, but I still think those "white producer-types who sound kind of rock-like CANNOT BE HIP-HOP" arguments are myopic as hell.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the COMPLETE lack of rapping on these records is what makes them un-hip-hop and makes arguments about disliking RDJ2 (or Shadow) = disliking indie hip hop pretty specious.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit by your lame ass completely reductive description above, Nate, Portishead are in the exactly the same genre as Dead Prez.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

So then "The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel", Chuck Chillout's "Hip-Hop on Wax" and DJ Q-Bert's Demolition Pumpkin Squeeze Muzik aren't hip-hop records, either? I mean, I'm not asking you to equate "Through the Walls" with "Ante Up" or something, but 90% is just some number you pulled out some undisclosed orifice, right?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a difference between beat-esque music used to back Shirley Bassey-style chanteuses and instrumental funk loops constructed by producers who specifically tailor their music to a hip-hop audience.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have the percentages in front of me so yes the 90% was made up based on my fading memory of his first record, Nate, but I definitely see most of RDJ2's stuff as much more in the lineage of "oh so shameful, don't use that phrase" moody trip boppers than the other folks you are mentioning. I don't consider disliking Anticon = disliking indie hip hop either btw.

"instrumental funk loops constructed by producers who specifically tailor their music to a hip-hop audience"

See I don't him as doing this on most tracks. Or Shadow for that matter. I think thats the reason why this stuff SELLS so well to people who don't like HIP HOP!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

You do realize that aside from his two solo albums, the vast majority of shit RJ does involves creating beats for MCs, right? Do MF Doom, Diverse, Vast Aire, Aceyalone, fucking SOUL POSITION ring a bell? And that he's churned out more than enough pure hip-hop instrumental stuff to inspire at least one full-length induction into the Great Jay-Z Black Album Mash-Up Orgy of 2004?

Also, the first person to ask me to tally P&J ballots where RJD2 is the only hip-hop record in the top ten gets a boot to the jimmy

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I would also like to figure out if there are any terms more condescending than "[genre] for people who don't like [genre]"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"I respectfully disagree" accompanied by a middle-finger pic, maybe? [[ducks]]

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(sorry, dude, it had to be said)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I was aware of that, Nate. How many of those rappers appear on his solo records again?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, well, that was me taking the piss outta myself and my tendency to act a spastic on threads like this, so that's my lame excuse

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, while I see both sides of this I must ask Alex why it's so incongruous to think that Rjd2 appeals to a different hip-hop audience than Dead Prez? and please don't anyone say "har har yeah an indie rock audience!" because while the indie rock and indie hip-hop audiences might overlap there are lotsa distinctions

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Lessee. Jakki da Motamouth, Blueprint, Copywrite... yeah.

It has come to my attention that I am making this argument after calling Since We Last Spoke "the best rock record of the year" in my own review. Still, the "he's not hip-hop" argument just seems like another way to attempt to rob RJD2 and Shadow of any credibility, and that's just tiresome.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(I must point out that the invariably worst moments of Deadringer feature rapping on them. As you were.)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Also Nate I am not accusing you of not liking hip hop. But you must have noticed the rather conspicuous percentage of folks who like Shadow/RJD2 but are indifferent or actively dislike "rap music" made by those "pesky black rappers".

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, while I agree w/the sentiment . . . "pesky"? who are these people, your 60-year-old neighbors?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I know plenty of people who still think that production that doesn't use the traditional late '70s-derived method of looping breaks isn't real hip-hop, either ("fuck that Neptunes keyboard shit" etc etc) so you're in good company, Alex

haha xp Matos OTM

Alex, where do you get your scared indie kid honky-ass strawmen? I would like to meet a few of these people and punch them. All the Shadow jockers I know are into Quannum MCs; RJD2 fans also happen to like Def Jux artists

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, the core audience of these producers may hate "bling" but they fucking FETISHIZE Rakim

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"THIS ISN'T JAZZ! WHERE'S THE SCATTING?"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

You have missed the threads where people name Entroducing as the best "rap" album ever?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

my god, the "turntablist/instro beat nerds don't like real rap" argument is so old it's got a dirt 'stache and blackheads

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wanted to use the word pesky.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

your cane is in the mail, dun

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, some people don't know terminology very well -- but what the hell is Endtroducing, then? "Club"?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

rap isn't really music anyway.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

poetry, maybe

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

thank god that's settled

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

[insert "I went to Sam Goody..." here]

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

next up: "all ravers are drug-addled idiots"

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

xp - but "dance" isn't music either! this settles nothing!

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

at the hell is Endtroducing, then? "Club"?

I first got into Dj Shadow from some shitty magazine review and if I remember right they called it trip-hop.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i met a guy the other day who basically was alex's strawman. he told me rjd2 was the only hip hop he liked ("he is god") and that he couldn't really appreciate rapping. i told him i thought rj2d was just okay and he said i was the first hip hop fan he met who didn't own up to the brilliance. it's just one guy, but they are out there so watch your back.

as for 'since we last spoke' i like the first few tracks, really like clean living and iced lightning, and not the rest so much. which i guess are the less branch-out tracks. i really want more "the horror"s anyway.

― scissors (Honda), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Gee, is there such a paucity of GENRE names that these records have to be hip hop? (Note: these GUYS insist that the music they make is hip hop.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

scissors, do you live in Seattle by any chance?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

because, haha, hey Nate if you wanna give that fist a workout come on up to the PNW sometime! (Jess, back me up here!)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Berkeley actually

― scissors (Honda), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

because, haha, hey Nate if you wanna give that fist a workout come on up to the PNW sometime! (Jess, back me up here!)

OK, where's the ILE out-of-context thread?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

ouch! my condolances. (about the guy, not Berkeley)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, I move that RJD2 and DJ Shadow and their ilk are hereby referred to as "downtempo break beat hip-hop food product".

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

There are plenty of these folks in the Bay Area (to be fair they are more likely to be Shadow fans than RDJ2.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

just as I'm sure the people like that in Ohio are bigger RJ fans than Shadow fans.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

My god, I am going to pull back from this abyss; I came within inches of suggesting that we all go onto slsk and look up everyone who's sharing RJ and Shadow and browse their folders to see if they have any other hip-hop albums (oops, I said "other"; dare I say "token" next?)

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

my testicles are sore

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

depends on how many indie-noise bands and NOTHING ELSE they share the bill with

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The Outkast "fans" are still watching you, Nate.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

enough with the Patrin-esque accusations!

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, hip-hop is a big fucking tent, Alex. why shouldn't RJ or Shadow be under it?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Because Defari said so

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously though would you consider someone who liked that Now Thing comp that came out on Mo Wax and NO OTHER dancehall to be a fan of dancehall?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyways, I'm not so bad, I have a new mix CD! (I stuck "Through the Walls" between Loverboy and Hawkwind.)

I'm gonna have me a pizza now. It's got spinach on it, though, so it might not be "real" pizza. :(

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, your strawman /= the artists in question, which is what this is about. Do they make hip-hop? I say yes, even if it isn't the same kind of hip-hop you like. Your strawman, real or not, isn't a factor except after the fact.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost
i don't really see a problem with the hip hop label, unless dr. octagon and lotsa other stuff are also not hip hop by association with the 'nonfan'. it's not entirely the same as say a squarepusher acolyte hating drum&bass or something. even if the kind of fandom is, the music lands differently with respect to each genre.

― scissors (Honda), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

God it irritates me that I have to even explain that.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think looking at how music is marketed at and purchased by is a strawman argument, Matos. Genre distinctions are rarely created by artists anyway (except for *cough* certain DJs who are really involved with their music being in the hip hop section, most names are create by critics.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously though would you consider someone who liked that Now Thing comp that came out on Mo Wax and NO OTHER dancehall to be a fan of dancehall?
was your question. that's why I answered what and how I did. surely you can understand that.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely you can understand me clarifying what I said then.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well, duh.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha btw your book got a great write up in the Guardian this week!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

saw that! dude who wrote it emailed me about it two weeks ago. he's actually on the PE vs. NWA thread trying to say PE sucked, cough cough yeah right cough cough

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Crazy crazy talk.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

please, won't anyone think of the children? err...the music i mean?

other than "making days longer," the first half of this is pretty good. nothing nearly as exciting as "the horror" or "ghostwriter" or the super-dusty-soul aspect of deadringer, but it's solid. i'm not hung up on genre so breakbeat rock is hip hop as far as i'm concerned. "ringfinger" is my fave since despite sharing a name with an old nine inch nails track, it somehow manages to be dirty 70's wanna-be-james-brown rock and kinda techno at the same time. oh femme vox work for me there.

― .rob (rgeary), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"making days longer" is cackedy-cack-cackola though.

― .rob (rgeary), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I hasten to add that I wrote the above offhandedly. Ken actually just made a couple of jokes but didn't say "PE suxorz," so I take that back.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

so Alex your argument is equivalent to "Bob Marley isn't reggae because a lot of people who like him (specifically, white people who I'd like to distance myself from) don't listen to any other reggae"?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 May 2004 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, exactly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

well great argument then!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 May 2004 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I'm just here to make you feel clever. Somebody has to.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Miles Davis isn't jazz either! Wow you're logic is opening hella doors for me! (ps I ain't trying to be clever. there's enough of that on ILX already)(i guess pointing out a retarded argument of yours is just me trying to be "clever")

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 May 2004 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(i always do that your/you're shit)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 May 2004 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The mere fact that RJD2's music comes from a tradition of hip-hop production based on sampling, DJing and turntabalism, never mind the fact that HIP-HOP /= RAPPING.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

(hit enter too soon)
...leads me to suspect that Alex SF has "cred issues." Maybe RJ's just not "hard" enough for you?

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:09 (twenty-two years ago)

eh I'm being mean. But seriously, if hip-hop = rapping to you, then you may want to take a look at the early history of the genre (PS: Trip hop took from hip-hop, and RJD2 sounds absolutely nothing like tricky).

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm curious about one particular comment: JoB's "disastrous career move." in what way?

I would have thought (before this thread) hardly anyone who loved Deadringer was going to love this new album. I had difficulty imagining Rjd2 gaining many new fans with his new musical direction. Maybe it's just me (and the reviewer from Urb) and Rjd2 has a fantastic future ahead of him...

― JoB (JoB), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

haha we dont even want to get into pnw "rap fans"

(btw we stock rjd2 in the dance section. shadow in rap.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Why on earth would you stack RJD2 in dance?

PS: Prefuse is hip-hop too :)

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd be much more inclined to call prefuse hip-hop than rjd2, really.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

haha and, well, dj dee we've sold quite a few copies of it already, but no one has come up to us asking why they can't find rjd2 in the rap section.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

weren't you the one who wanted to know what differentiated him from the electronicats?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

you lot seen this week's Seattle Weekly yet?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Electronicats? No.

Why on earth would you say RJD2 is not hip-hop? I don't understand yr reasoning here that Prefuse is "more" hip-hop than RJD2.

like Nate said upthread....
those "white producer-types who sound kind of rock-like CANNOT BE HIP-HOP" arguments are myopic as hell.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i would say rjd2 is not hip-hop because the majority of what i heard on the album doesn't relate back to hip-hop for me AT ALL. and i don't see it complicated by his productions for rappers or his past work AT ALL. it's like calling those sping heel jack improv records "drum & bass" because they used to make drum & bass.

that said, i'd be shocked if the third rjd2 disc wasn't a major swerve back towards hip-hop.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I think yr gonna need to explain to me a bit further what about this record isn't "hip-hop." Is there something sonically about it that is not hip-hop to you? From what I can tell, it comes from the sampling and production tradition of other hip-hop artists, it uses record scratching, hip-hop beats and was made by a guy who does production work for many hip-hop artists....I just don't understand where the cut-off line is.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

don't labels usually request where they want albums stocked in stores?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

is this more hip-hop?

David Hasselhoff to turn into rapper Hassel The Hoff!
http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=38556&cat=Entertainment

whatever next !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

He's gonna fit KITT for 24s

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

rollin on dubbed

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmmm, tricky re the "is rjd2 hip hop?" question. in many cases boom bip and buck 65 aren't very conventionally hip-hop, but i'd be wary of saying they're not either. i don't believe this record to be very hip hop, but think it's still informed by it, same as buck 65's talkin honky blues... the short answer is that i don't know. this is, of course, the correct way to think. thank you.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i really want more "the horror"s anyway.

He told me this and 'Work' were his fave tracks on Deadringer, so I'm surprised to read this.

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think RJ cares if it is considered hip-hop or not.

It goes back to what kind of musician are you? Are you the type who just wants to rock a party or are you the type who is trying to express something? Not that there is anything wrong with rocking a party, and as we hear from his work w/ Soul Position / Doom / Aesop / Diverse, etc, RJ is more than capable doing that.

From what he has said in interviews it appears that with his solo stuff he is moving away from what you might traditionally think of as hip-hop and is branching out into more genre-blurring areas. The hip-hop roots of his current direction can hardly be denied, as djdee said... vinyl samples, check. turntables, check... but the focus for him, I think, is more on trying to compose something that he likes the sound of, that expresses the feelings he wants to express, that isn't confined by what random joe says is or isn't 'hip-hop'. That being said, if you consider Shadow to be hip-hop, I don't see how you can say SWLS is anything else. I bought it last friday at the RJ/Diverse show in philly, and for the most part I think it's solid.

And so what if he sings? 10 to 1 if he hadn't credited himself y'all heads would've thought it was just another sample.

― [email protected], Thursday, 20 May 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

coming around to the back half of this now. "one day" is a good remake/sequel to "work," with slightly higher fidelity and a vocal tuned in from 1970's AM radio instead of crusty soul.

someone help me figure out where i've heard a guitar riff almost exactly like the one in "clean living?" i know it's a common effect but i'd swear it's really close to a song i know well and can't place. diggable track, though, great glossy bassline and shuffle-march tempo. the vocal is cool too.

"through the walls" almost turns into "just what i needed" at the end!

― .rob (rgeary), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...

i keep returning to this without really thinking about it. there are lots of nice little touches like the spin-down in "1976," the "one-two-three-four" that kicks off "ring finger," and especially the "ohhhh!" buried in the mix on that one. the feeble emo midsection is mostly tolerable now.

"to all of you" feels too much like deliberate attempt to make a new deadringer track, tho, but "through the walls" is such great fake arena rock that i now love it. "one day" is a great closer but runs on a little too long- that vocal makes it and when it runs out, there's really no reason to hang around.

what are the bonus tracks in other countries i've heard about like?

― .rob (rgeary), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the tracks I heard sounded like house, at least one of them.

I saw him support erol alkan here recently and he was shit. boring and halfway through he played 20 computer game theme tunes and gave chocolate sweets to people who guessed what they were. if you think this sounds great then you and rjd2 deserve each other. "HE'S JUST HAVING A LAUGH!!!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't hear much house in this beyond "clean living," which sounds more disco/protohouse to me. i'd like to see him try some full out housey stuff though.

that sounds like an awful gig, honestly.

― .rob (rgeary), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

RJD2 is not serious enough for Ronan.

Wow RJD2 is a nerd surprise surprise.
His music still rules.

RJD2's new album is better than Felix's if only because it's more consistent. I bring this up bcuz I saw you raving about it Ronan and I bought it and other than "Ready 2 Wear" (great) and maybe 5 other tracks (good) its pretty unimpressive.

So there.

― djdee2005, Monday, 21 June 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I don't really care about RJD2, I'm sure he's fine, just not for me, and I was very impatient to see Erol Alkan.

The Felix album gets better with each play. It may be my favourite of the year now, though I'm not sure. I couldn't really compare it with something I don't like, like RJD2. I guess it's not serious either, but there's humour, and then there's just silliness. I think the silly computer game theme stuff just was a distraction, nerves rather than genuine joking.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 June 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

I'm liking this album more and more. Much better than Deadringer, which was nice but not great. Also: let me be the first to say I really like "Making Days Longer"!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that one of the ones where he sings? Cuase that shit is weak!

― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

If I'm not paying attention to it, I quite enjoy this album. It's the moment where I hone in on it and think about what is going on that I realize it's not really all that.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah tell me about! I say Stuff It Emo Boy!

― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't dislike his singing in particular, to be honest. It's just, it seems very structurally formulaic. Some of my favorite parts are the throwbacky funk jams, but then I'm expecting this face-melting WOAH moment that never quite happens.

I think "Iced Lightning" is my favorite track.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a really nice album to listen to at work.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't party like Deadringer, but I like it a lot. It does have its emo moments, but that's OK -- as with the better parts of the Postal Service, it makes me think I tolerte emo best when its boys with blips and beats instead of boys with guitars.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Postal servicce is not ok by me. I say, "Stuf it, Emo Boy!"

― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I need to listen to Deadringer more, but it NEVER struck me as a big ol' party record.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? Maybe I just turned it up too loud.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? Maybe I just turned it up too loud.

Related topic: Kompakt Pop Ambient 2003 is my party album of 2003.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 22 July 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

This is good.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 20 September 2004 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

Haha, that last post was on my birfday. Happy 27th to me!

Anyways, after me getting fifteen kinds of retarded on this thread, I'm still mildly startled and a bit self-conscious upon reflecting on the fact that this is my favorite album of the year. Which means I'm an emo lite-jazz scared-of-real-rap indie whiteboy or whatever it is haters say when they decide the only thing they have the ability to review is the audience. It's almost inexplicable, except that it just reminds me of more than a few places and phases in my listening education that really hit me hard when I first heard them -- the title track's '73 Stooges sound, those atomic Bonhamish drums in "Exotic Talk," "1976" with the top-down-Karmann-Ghia-in-Rio warmth (sounds kinda like a happy answer to Babe Ruth's "The Mexican"), "Ring Finger" as the Doors minus everything that made the Doors bad (stupid lyrics, no bass), "Clean Living" as the Great Lost Sly & the Family Stone instrumental (with special bonus androgyne hippie-glam-cabaret vocals), "Iced Lightning" as the entry theme for Your 2082 NBA Champion Chicago Bulls, "Through The Walls" as NEW WAVE KILL YOU WITH RIFFS (which he rerecorded with Ric Ocasek on vocals, no shit), the vintage familiarity/return to Deadringer aesthetic on "One Day". Even the stuff I didn't mention (the gradually likeable "Making Days Longer", the schmaltzy "To All Of You") has this shit down to a science. When it comes to layering sounds and structuring beats the man can build it up and tear it down with the best of 'em. To eke out one of my inexplicable car metaphors, Kish Kash:Since We Last Spoke::black '81 Esprit Turbo:'70 AMC Javelin with the mod red-white-and-blue Trans Am graphics. (Yeah, same company that gave us the Pacer, but don't hold that against it.)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate, often when I listen to this album I think, of course this is Nate's favorite of 2004, which isn't a diss AT ALL -- I just smile at how perfectly it captures a lot of your particular tastes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, no dis inferred -- if this record was any more geared towards me it'd have an MF Doom verse, a grime track composed mostly of samples from the soundtrack to Scarface and a full-length animated motion picture-slash-series of videos by Leiji Matsumoto.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(and a hidden track of Julian Casablancas all drunk and cursing)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This is quite possibly my favourite record of the year too.

― KeithW (kmw), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i gave this record a fair chance.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked the singles. Polyphonic Spree remix still rules.

― Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it a lot; when I first got it, I thought that I might love it, but after a while I realized that wasn't going to happen. He has a tendency to not follow through on his best ideas. But it made my top 10, partly just for the drum fills. Dude knows a good break when he hears it.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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