Taking Sides: 3 Feet High and Rising vs. Paul's Boutique

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― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

pauls boutique

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

haha nate!

Paul's Boutique....I just listened to 3 Feet High and it didn't seem as great as I remembered more incoherant and muddled and the skits bugged alot....(change the question to De La Soul is Dead vs. Paul's and the answer changes though)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not too nerdy, but if a vote for De La is a vote against the Beasties, well then, hell, sign me up for the Daisy Age, son

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

why vote against the beastie boys?

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

3 Feet High - better samples, better MCing, although I do like Paul's Boutique since it's the only good thing the Beasties ever did.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"hey ladies" has better samples than all of 3ftH put together!

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

why vote against the beastie boys?

because roger had a girlfriend named Janice once and he got sick of people asking for her

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Stence OTM (although I will readily admit that I listen to . . . is Dead more.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

3 Feet High oozes fun, so it wins.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

no way - sampling Sugarhill Gang is better than sampling Cymande?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

damn straight De La Is Dead is superior to 3 Feet

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

paul's boutique has "goes by the name of disco dave" ... where have you EVER heard anything that sounds like that song, EVER?

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyways, Paul's Boutique in a landslide. 3 Feet High and Rising is fun but it gets a bit too twee/cartoony/precious at points ("Tread Water"... oh my GAH).

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

no way - sampling Sugarhill Gang is better than sampling Cymande?

um ... it samples zapp + roger! and some other stuff, too!

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I choose De La Soul Is Dead too.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah and "Hey Ladies" samples James Brown, but still I like that one Cymande sample like crazy. Since I got that record two weeks ago I've listened to it every freakin' day.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Search for the early demo versions of "Car Thief" which are damn near Blowfly-level filthy-mcnasty.

De La Soul is Dead also loses out to Paul's Boutique... barely. By a sliver. By a hair. By the merits of "A Year and a Day", mostly.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll say that the 2 disc reissue of "3 feet high" with all the remixes considerably strengthens the case for de la soul.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, Paul's Boutique can go eat a gigantic bowl of pudendum.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(Okay, a moderately-sized bowl.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

MINNESOTAN VS. MINNESOTAN!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost: it's mouth is already stuffed with popcorn shrimp and dutch masters

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

wishing cunnilingus on an album is so harsh

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a bad, bad man.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul's Boutique is my favorite hip-hop album of all time.

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

now I like Paul's but that's just sad.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

*tumbleweed*

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Another thing that sucks about 3 Feet High: Ever notice that nobody ends up winning the game show?

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

A winner is announced at the beginning of De La Soul Is Dead!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Dead.

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to think there's an odd sort of dichotomy about the Funkadelic songs each record centers around -- "Car Thief" with the slow, lurching psych-blues break/chord from "I'll Bet You", and "Me Myself and I" with the Worrellgasmic "(Not Just) Knee Deep". Could the records' respective personae be summed up just with that detail?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(well OK Paul's Boutique doesn't center around that song; also I am talking out my ass)

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Which still isn't incredible or anything, but "Rollerskating Jam Named Saturdays"...

x-post to myself

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

they're both good records, but 3 Feet High is better. It's also the best De La record (and "Tread Water" may be its best track), while Paul's Boutique is my least favorite Beasties record.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

A winner is announced at the beginning of De La Soul Is Dead!

Oh. I've never heard that record. Maybe I should.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The only De La thing I get really excited about is "Ooh" mainly because of "TO ALL THE FAT BITCHES GETTIN YOUR FUCK ON TONIGHT..."

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate it's also pretty funny that it took the white ex-hardcore dudes and black nerdy "no we're not hippies" to introduce Funkadelic samples to hip-hop!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"least favorite" doesn't count Aglio e Olio and such

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

only someone who hadn't heard Is Dead would claim that 3 Feet was better.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ridiculously over-reaching blanket statements like my last one are the fodder of ILM, obv.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Dead over 3 Feet over Paul's Couple of Good Singles and All That But Who Needs the Album Anyway

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

...Is Dead isn't a bad album, and it has some highlights (more on the production side than anywhere else, afaic), but many many people overrate it

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

where do donkey balls fit in your equation, Ned?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Very carefully.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

3 feet has so many better songs than Is Dead (or Paul's, obv). The lyrics of the best songs of Is Dead are better, but you have to wade through so much goofy experiments to get to them.

― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

ned i don't like your point about "who needs the album"

"shake your rump" / "johnny ryall" / "egg man"
"sounds of science" / "three minute rule" / "hey ladies"
"car thief" / "what comes around" / "shadrach"

ok three damn-near perfect triplets bookended by boringness, yes, (destroy high plains drifter and the other one)

and "b-boy bouillibaise" or whatever it's called is headspinning.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

there seems to be less in common here than on the other thread.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually there were probably groups sampling P-Funk well before '89. So I should maybe like do some research, yeah.

Ned, I applaud your further efforts to be the anti-Nate. Let us never meet, for all music will then cease to exist and people will have to dance to the sounds of photocopiers and construction machinery.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I started this thread, which means everyone has to be contentious and ill-thought-out. Me included. Me especially.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

dude I like "High Plains Drifter!" Also I'm convinced that "Sounds of Science" is about P3t3r Sk!ff, a physics professor at Bard (where MCA attended briefly).

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

ned i don't like your point about "who needs the album"

I sold it back recently because I realized I never needed to hear it again since all I DID want to hear from it was on the greatest hits collection! So I don't need the album, at least.

They already did. Einsturzende happened.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

there probably were P-Funk samples prior to 1989, but I'd venture that "Me Myself and I" was the first big hip-hop (and crossover pop) hit with them.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Tread Water, The Magic Number, Plug Tunin, Eye Know, Transmitting Live From Mars, Description and Buddy >>> Fanatic of the B Word, Cat's In Control, Not Over Til the Fat Lady..., Ring Ring Ring, Millie, Keepin the Faith, and the first 7 seconds of Roller Skating

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

LUNACY

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I totally agree with you Nate.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

pay more attention to the words

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"Transmitting Live from Mars" doesn't have any! Unless you mean french language lesson samples.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

you're also missing the greatness of "Bitties in the BK Lounge," "Do the Baseball," etc.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i wanted to post song-by-song why i thought pauls boutique was so cool but then realized i probably couldn't do it in a fashion that would impress / make sense to anybody.

basically boils down to the amount of weird change-ups in the tracks. it's just fun to listen to. there's more going on, beyond the level of good flows, stories, whatever.

i also think i relate more to the mindset on pauls boutique. 3 ft high still has that old-school golden-age aura of being preached to that i'm a bit allergic about.

i mean the video for "me, myself and i" has them getting picked on in class, sure i can relate to that but when i think of high school i think more of taking out my aggressions after school with stupid acts of petty vandalism. thank god there's a hip hop group out there that glorifies that.

my other taking sides litmus test is "what would i do if album x disappeared off the earth forever", in the case of de la soul i'd probably just listen to tribe called quest and jungle bros. if pauls boutique left - it'd be irreplaceable! (i don't think the rest of the beasties catalogue deserves that sort of praise, though)

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

video for "Me Myself and I" was totally ripped off by another Spanishy-name sounding band (Yo La Tengo, natch).

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't believe i said "there's more going on". the other question is: does the "more" count as "more" if they do it over and over again on every track? at what point do the tricks turn into gimmicks? i'd say it doesn't quite get to that point but comes close. "car thief" and "what comes around" are probably the breathers that keep the finishing each other's lines thing and the stopping the track to drop in a crazy new backing track thing from getting overbearing.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul's Boutique.

Regarding "B-boy Boullabaise", it's kinda like the rap equivalent of Side Two of Abbey Road. Now, did I read that somewhere, or is it just a dumb comparison theory that I thought up myself (presumably after a toke or two)? I honestly can't remember!

[brief pause, as I do a google search and indeed find dozens of abbey road name-checks. end pause]

Regarding 3FHAR: I only heard a friend's copy, once, 15 yrs ago, and recall virtually nothing, except for a spoken "Anybody ever get run over?" or somethin very similar. Can anybody tell me: In what context was that used? It made me laugh out loud and I absolutely can't remember why. (And no, I was not high at the time, faulty memory notwithstanding!)

Oh, and: I remember now that the game show theme reminded me of the Firesign Theatre's "Beat The Reaper" their own gameshow parody from their debut LP.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"Anybody in the audience ever been hit by a car?" is a sample from Eddie Murphy's first comedy record, and it's on the track "Magic Number" which also samples Johnny Cash (among others) and is sorta the musical intro to the album.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I honestly prefer STAKES IS HIGH to all the above. Yeah, I know it's an entirely different era and all, but that and BUHLOONE MINDSTATE are both hideously underrated and underappreciated.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like those records, just not as much as the first two.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

but 3 FEET HIGH over PAUL'S BOUTIQUE anyday. Now, switch it with LICENSED TO ILL and we may have a problem...

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

there probably were P-Funk samples prior to 1989, but I'd venture that "Me Myself and I" was the first big hip-hop (and crossover pop) hit with them.

Actually, "Bring The Noise" ('87) had a Funkadelic sample: The backwards guitar-loop intro to "Get Off Your Ass And Jam".

(Thanks Stencil - Eddie Murphy, eh?)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Dead is flat. 3 Feet is vivacious.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the albums I bought and sold quite rapidly and the other one is PB

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Tough call. At the time, 3 Feet High -- the soundtrack (along with Nation of Millions) to my sophomore year of college. I had no use for the Beasties. Having finally broken down and bought Paul's Boutique some years later, I'd probably give the Boys the edge on sheer adrenaline. The De La album hasn't aged as well.

They're both way sweet, though.

― spittle (spittle), Thursday, 20 May 2004 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

man, pick a better choice! punch in '3 feet high', thanks Eddie.

― tester again, Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

if i can skip tracks i'd rather hear 3 feet high

if i have to sit through one album or the other i'd pck paul's boutique

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

PAUL'S BOUTIQUE ALL THE WAY

What Paul's has over 3 Feet is:

The intentional drive towards funk throughout(in that it's a multi-layered and diverse production but keeps the funk and disco breaks at the forefront = more personal appreciation for the sampled tracks and funk in general) and more intentionally bugged out psyche-like moments that occasionally dispense with much of the rap framework (cf 'B-Boy Bouillabaisse', first half of 'Sounds Of Science' and the ever ridiculous '5-Piece Chicken Dinner'). Basically, funkier and stranger.

The comedy. The Beasties were still amusing at this point and their tough guy posturing was still endearingly over the top witout sounding like they took any of it seriously. They didn't profess to educate or show a new way for hip hop, they just fucked around with whatever came to mind. Even their in-jokes didn't get tired.

The production: Paul has better 60s taste than John and Mike but they SLAY him on the 70s shit. There's a reason The Good, The Bad And The Ugly formed for a brief moment.
The density of production. The way it all hangs together is pretty damn great. When the vocal samples kick in in place of
Even Paul's sparser tracks sound full. Not light like 3FHAR (or, dare I say it, thin).

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:31 (twenty-two years ago)

well 'Jenifa Taught Me (Derwin's Revenge)' came on my Archos Jukebox on the way to work this morning so I'm plumping for DE LA

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(Prince Paul is an overrated producer...he was a party DJ who threw together pop songs for sampling. He was a great producer - but hella overrated. P Diddy gets shit for sampling stuff the way Prince Paul does).

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul's.

the production on 3ft sounds dated to my ears. Paul's on the other hand, still sounds fresh and sonically amazing.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

For Jeebus' sake!

"The density of production. The way it all hangs together is pretty damn great. When the vocal samples kick in in place of Beastie rhymes, even when they aren't completely seamless, they still don't feel tacked on."

Cont'd.

The rhyming again. I never tire of the 3-play and these are their best overall rhymes in terms of technique/flow/wah wah hip hop skills, even if not as childishly fun as LTI. MCA on 'A Year And A Day' alone flies in the face of everyone who says he could never rap.

'Eggman'. Never heard it's like before or since in every respect.
'Car Thief'.
'Shake Your Rump'.
'B-Boy Bouillabaisse'.
'3 Minute Rule'.
The remixes '33% God' and 'Dis Yourself in '89 (Just Do It)'. Where it really becomes apparent that the DBs a) know how to rock a party and b) could have easily refused the Beasties when they asked to join forces (this does not criticise the BBs' involvement in the record in any way).

The backstory/personal shit. Entertaining to know the Beasties took over the Grasshoff's place, drssed up in silly 70s gear, got a funk band to play the record launch, generally became cool by not trying hard, as opposed to the reverse happening later. De La never professed to be cool, but they never developed personalities as fun as the Beasties at this point.

Ricky Powell and the videos.

The filler case is way higher on 3FH than PB and it goes without saying that as a singles listen through, 3FH works as opposed to PB's more enjoyable whole.

To this day, 3FH reaps the overall plaudits for sampling/'changing hip hop' that PB deserves more (if you can call that a true yardstick) and all because PB was delayed by Capitol. Mind you, this has worked better in the long run.

De La Soul is Dead is significantly better than 3FH - like the B-Boys, their 2nd record is their best. It's only slightly lesser to PB and has way more great fucking moments than the first one ('Who Do U Worship', 'Millie', 'Pass The Plugs', 'Kicked Out The House', 'Rollerskating Jam', 'My Brother's A Basehead', 'Shwingalokat' 'Oodles of 'O's' etc).

I still have never bothered to memorise the lines to 3FH, and that includes my fave, 'Potholes' (and the other singles, baring half of 'Eye Know'). I nerded out on every line in PB and the references.

Fin.

PS - Diddy will never make anything as gently affecting (and gently bonkers) as Paul's remix of 'Home' by Natural Calamity.

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

there are big differences between the two.
and really can the term 'overrated' not ever be used again please?
xpost

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does no one ever talk about Buhloone Mindstate? That's the best De La Soul album, if you ask me. And yet, it hardly gets a mention. (I realize it was released later and, thus, is a little irrelevant to this discussion)

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

there are big differences between the two.

And big similarites. We're talking about the 2 big records that helped bring the law into hip hop production and took a decade+ for another record on their scale to materialise (Since I Left You).

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

was referring to prince paul and puffy

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll say that the 2 disc reissue of "3 feet high" with all the remixes considerably strengthens the case for de la soul.

It would do if it a) did have all the remixes (the Native Tongues Decision version of Buddy is the most egregious omission) and b) actually bumped the Plug Tunin’ 12” off the end of the album (HELLO IT IS 2002 WE DO NOT NEED UNWIELDY BONUS TRACKS AS AN INCENTIVE TO PURCHASE THE CD OR CASSETTE FORMAT OVER VINYL)

MCA on 'A Year And A Day' alone flies in the face of everyone who says he could never rap

Who would ever say such a thing? He’s the best rapper in the group by a mile! (okay Adrock is more fun to listen to but Yauch has a really great casual flow, never sounding like he's actually having to put in any effort at all regardless of rhythm changes. And Year And A Day is the best Beasties song evar)

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i need to get that 2 disc re-issue as it continues to annoy me how quiet the original CD is

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

was referring to prince paul and puffy

I agree, I'm just sort of exaggerating my pt. I'm not a huge fan of Prince Paul. He produced some cool and great songs, but his music never touched me quite like other sampling producers of the period.

PS: Buhloone Mindstate is GREAT.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Comparing Prince Paul to Puffy = dud. There's some stuff Paul did on 3FH that sonically reminds me of the Bomb Squad, except funnier (like, say, the multiple samples and change-ups of "Magic Number") that I can't imagine Puffy ever doing (because his thing is different, yo, not necessarily worse).

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus, Paul's personal quirk factor keeps him separate from Puffy alone.

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

P Diddy gets shit for sampling stuff the way Prince Paul does

I find this sentence to be completely incomprehensible. I suspect it comes from the Bizarro universe.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, Paul's Boutique really is pretty undeniable at times, so ok, they're objectively at least comparable. But I don't have much use for it, and I like De La's sweetness/seriousness better than the Beasties' 'charm'/chutzpah. And they're better writers.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

(and mc's)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that a cat being neutered without anesthesia might be a better MC than 2/3 of the Beastie Boys.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

me-ow

Paul's Boutique is sort of appropriate to a particular age. 3FH is ageless.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh fuck it. They're both really great and I love them.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul's Boutique has stood the test of time much better for me. I've always heard something that I missed previous listen when I throw it on. Plus, I blame Prince Paul and 3FH for the proliferation of skits on hip hop albums since.

― frankE (frankE), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

re: first popular P-Funk sampling - sorry Stence but I'm fairly certain Digital Underground and EPMDs biggest P-funk centered hits came out prior to "Me, Myself, and I" (EPMD's first record is '88). I'd be willing to bet there are others too. De La themselves have said they wanted to back out of the "(Not Just) Knee Deep" sample at the time because it was "just too obvious".

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Underwater Rhymes = '87
Doowutchyallike = '88

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

plus hstencil's favorite "Eazy Duz It" is based on Bootsy's "We Want Bootsy", pretty sure that predates "3 Feet High" as well.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I have this feeling I'm forgetting someone...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ahhhh good points Mr. Collier.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

and now back to the sweeping statements...

Steely Dan can be alright, but they could never be half as great musicians as the Beastie Boys!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I CALL BULLSHIT!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Steely Dan can be alright, but they could never be half as great musicians as the Beastie Boys!

you melted the universe with wrongness.

(unless you were kidding)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

a little joke, I was referring to claims made on this thread: Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

you going to see them Saturday?!?!?!?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - no way! I like that record okay, but I couldn't really imagine how they would make it fun live (even less so after your report). Besides, a friend of mine's doing some laptop/noise/drone art show thing that night which I'm sure will be more entertaining, not to mention cheaper.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

was more thinking of this.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ah. it all becomes clear. (I tend not to follow NY show threads, for obvious reasons).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 May 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

heheheheh don't worry, he doesn't live here either.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul's Boutique by far.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 May 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

No.

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 20 May 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

It makes me laugh harder, dance around the apt more and save its annoying shit right for the very end in a big medley (rather than interspersing it throughout the album).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

anybody who feels otherwise can answer to the EGG MAN! THWAP!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that's intimidating.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

where have you EVER heard anything that sounds like ("A Year and a Day"), EVER?

"Who's That Lady?" for one, which is all I think about when I listen to this song.

(3FH&R 2CD set would be better if it) actually bumped the Plug Tunin’ 12” off the end of the album (HELLO IT IS 2002 WE DO NOT NEED UNWIELDY BONUS TRACKS AS AN INCENTIVE TO PURCHASE THE CD OR CASSETTE FORMAT OVER VINYL)

For what it's worth, the "Plug Tunin'" 12" mix is on the original vinyl pressing of 3 Feet High... as well (which makes it a 67-minute single LP, but that's a whole other thing...), so it's never not been part of the album.

Oh, yeah, the topic at hand... the first three De la Soul LPs are untouchable (Dead is the peak); Paul's is okay, but License changed my life and Check is more interesting, so De la Soul.

― Vic Funk, Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

feh. all De La's gonna do is call you a scrub.

(x-post)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

a supa scrub

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey stence,did you get the vinyl reissue of the rare Cymande LP that just came out of Paul Winley Records?

― Vic Funk, Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think ...is Dead is better than 3FH but i haven´t heard Pauls boutique in full since 1995 or so, gotta rebuy it, i lent it to a friend back then and never got it back.

― heroes + villains, Friday, 21 May 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

and you not getting a haircut, neither

― SCRUB (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

in like 8th grade or something, I asked this kid on my bus, who was a junior or senior and whose friends called him Dante, if he was the "Dante" from 3FH&R. I think he just looked at me. I hope I was joking, but I'm not sure. A few years later two of his best friends founded Rawkus.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take Sons of the P, thanks

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

THAT IS NOT AN OPTION MR. GOAT

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

ok how 'bout the Naughty by Nature debut then

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

paul's boutique by default. don't listen to either anymore. i had recently tried listening to 3' and as an album, it was pretty annoying. i say i appreciate the album much more than i actually enjoy listening to it.

― metfigga (metfigga), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take Sons of the P, thanks

Haha, I was thinking of them earlier today.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

NO FAIR!

If j0hn gets to vote for DU and Naughty By Naturethen I get to vote for the first Black Sheep album! (the best native tongue album imo)...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Cue Dan and I voting for PWEI...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Gah, Don't make me choose between Black Sheep and The Poppies!!!!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that a cat being neutered without anesthesia might be a better MC than 2/3 of the Beastie Boys.

Oh Dan, you asked for it:

http://www.toysnjoys.com/carebears/grumpy.jpg

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

weird, just picked PB after years of the being hidden in the attic on cassette. so i am about to hear if for first time in about 10 years .. but damn i overplayed that tape. does absence make my heart fonder ..(shake your rump just kicked .. i'm down with it once more ..)
and we all know that PWEI nicked their whole thing from age of chance dont we .. so i aint joining in on that one ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 21 May 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not saying this to be facetious or condescending or anything, but I am trying to figure out how someone is physically capable of (a) hating the Beastie Boys yet (b) liking Insane Clown Posse.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 21 May 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beasties aren't absurd enough.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"Adrock: 'When I was 9/I played with slime'"

"MCA: America's Premier Buddhist Rhyme King"

"Mike D, Man of Leather"

How the fuck is none of that absurd?

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey stence,did you get the vinyl reissue of the rare Cymande LP that just came out of Paul Winley Records?

NOPE ORIGINAL PRESSING BABY, $9.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Dan....I just got to interview the ICP at the E3 convention! They were reallly nice guys....I was waiting the backroom for them at Eidos's booth (they're in the new Backyard Wrestling game as is porn star Tera Patrick who I also interviewed!)....anyway, they were 20 minutes late because they had to "put on their makeup", but then they came in and almost knocked me out with the stench of super Cali skunk weed!

Actually, really nice guys, though...Violent J is a big dude but very friendly....Shaggy is quieter (or just more stoned I guess)....Violent J talked about how Eidos were "real juggalos" and said he's too fat and out of shape....I tried to get them to bait Eminem, but they would really take the bait...said that beef was "old-school"

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(Dan, I was pushing the Beasties as absurd people over absurd performers there, but the LTI tour, the videos = big absurdity minefields. The 'Hey Ladies' vid alone makes me laugh my ass off)

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

ire ICP : is the Final Card converting the jugg's over to the Lord then ?

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

unfair to compare,
first album to second one,
blah blah blah bullshit

that having been said,
I pick 3FH myself,
that's the way I am

plus john d is high,
sons of the p is horrid,
(except 'kiss you back')

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

why is it unfair?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

cause I said so

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

well that's bullshit.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

bullshit-and-a-half, even.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

also cause paul's tone
is much more like is dead than
like three feet (I think)

whoops, I guess I took too long to submit my real reason and ho boy did stence call MY shit out! ouch! that stings! what a zinger!

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

a zinger and a half, even!

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You go through life with egg - ON YOUR FACE

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

not like the crack that you put in a pipe but the crack on your forehead here's a towel now wipe.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://unquietmind.com/tburger/tb10-19/zingers.jpg

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If The Beastie Boys had used a narrative schtick that ran through all of their recorded output and included casting themselves as evil serial-killer clowns dedicated to avenging the wrongs heaped upon the poor and disaffected as well as macking on ugly women, plus marketed all of their releases around an apocalyptic scenario that heralded the coming of the Devil to drag the selfish bastards of the world off to Hell, they would be as absurd as Insane Clown Posse.

I mean, really. How can you even begin to claim that The Beasties are anywhere NEAR as absurd as ICP?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(Also, it isn't that I DISLIKE The Beastie Boys; it's that De La is superior to them in pretty much every way imaginable.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Okay, so The Beasties are better at being white than De La, but that's about it.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, I just love the Beasties and couldn't give a toss about ICP. Also, TS: 'absurd vs ridiculous'.

If ICP are as daft off record as the B-Boys can be, I'm happy to concede that point.

― Man of Feathers (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I would love to hear De La Soul do a hardcore album. Prolly would be better than Polliwog Stew.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

When was the last time you saw the Beasties doing any EXTREME WRESTLING? Also, how often have the Beasties been arrested for doing supremely stupid shit?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(I will concede the "absurd vs ridiculous" point, though.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Concession of sorts here too (I love the Beasties being cussed all over the front page of The Daily Mirror back home in '88, beat THAT, ICP). Also, the Beasties' 'Bob Dylan Sample Myth'. And Celebrity Deathmatch appearance (utter crap, but that was the last time I saw them in the ring, haha).

Stence, any idea what the De La record with Teenage Fanclub or Atari Teenage Riot (I can't remember) was like?

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Stence, any idea what the De La record with Teenage Fanclub or Atari Teenage Riot (I can't remember) was like?

Good god no, I think I'd rather shoot myself than have to listen to ATR ever again.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't the De La/TF song on the Judgement Night soundtrack? I remember it being much more De La than Teenage Fanclub.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 21 May 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

yes it was. That sdtk is not half as fun as it should've been.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 21 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I collect my comments into one post now that I've read this whole thread on a good lazy friday.

First off, I pick Buhloone Mindstate. If that's not allowed, then I might have to go with PWEI. (Ned forgot the other person on here who is going to bring them up, but I'll forgive him because I don't post enough to have developed that reputation.)

If I have to play by the rules, 3 Feet is better than Paul's Boutique. Anyone arguing that the Beasties are somehow more fun in an absurd way has probably never found joy in calling someone a scrub or telling someone with bad ass breath to take a Ludens.

I would love to hear De La Soul do a hardcore album. Prolly would be better than Polliwog Stew.

Hm. It's too bad we couldn't hear De La do a hardcore record when they were in their late teens to have a better comparison. Cause really I don't think it's that hard to do a better hardcore album than Polliwog Stew. In the Beasties' defense tho, I think Aglio is a great little record.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yet, I've called women with long hair 'Rapunzel' and offered to climb up and get into their underwear. The Beasties win again.

Also, EGGMAN, sucker (round, round, round we go).

― Dropping science like Galileo dropped the orange (Barima), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"Eggman" is a damned good song. I'm not denying that.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

NOPE ORIGINAL PRESSING BABY, $9.

Damn you, hstencil! Is the album any good? I have the self-titled Cymande LP, and didn't bother getting the reissue cuz I didn't think lightning could strike twice.

― Vic Funk, Friday, 21 May 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

uh whoops funk I thought you meant the original self-titled, which is what I meant.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

twenty-one years pass...

does anyone know what would've happened if you actually sent in the answers to the game show questions at the beginning of 3 Feet High and Rising to the stated address at the end? did anyone actually win anything?

― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 17:03 (one year ago)

they sat in a pile on dante ross' desk. Other times they've said he opened them and no one got the answers right

― erasingclouds, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 19:42 (one year ago)

I love both of these albums so much, I could never pick one against the other. Played the shit out of them when MCA and Dave passed away.

― birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 20:33 (one year ago)

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