The 120 Days of Shameless Bids for Publicity!

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Brazen Hussies, 22 December, Kings Head Fulham. Surely round about then you'll need an excuse to get away from your loved ones? Or hell, bring them down too and torture them with this nonsense, whatever.

BTW, if you want a CD that's REALLY outside the canon, check out 'Tormato' by Yes. Currently even the notorious 'Topographic' gets some props as a magnificently mad gesture and time-capsule cred, but this 1978 item is utterly dismissed even by progsters! The thing starts off business-as-usual ("Future Times/Rejoice"), but you notice that Squire has this echo-flange-filter discotron thing on the bass, which to my ears is an improvement over that dry adenoidal midrange competing-with-Howe thing. Chris meets Bootsy! The next track is the eyebrow-raiser. First of all it's disco, second of all it's called "Don't Kill the Whale". First the lyrics, of course it's not exactly "Fuck tha Police", but considering both the theme and Anderson's previous (as in 'previous offences', non-Brits), it's done with a surprising amount of deft sarcasm ("In beauty, vision/ do we offer much?"), not cringeworthy at all! Also, Jon sounds like he's singing about something he actually cares about, which has got to be a first for this bunch, well done. I hope they opened and closed the set with it in Japan.
"DKTW" also offers an important clue into the nature of 'rockism', along with "Miss You" and "I Was Made For Lovin' You" - namely, how much of the auteurist stamp does the artist in question feel the need to impose on an 'alien' genre? I feel "DKTW" is the essence of 'rockist disco' - it's disco, but with endless chord modulations and a particularly abrasive if not grating (perhaps programmatic in light of the lyrics) schlock-horror kybd fluorocarbon emission from Rick Wakeman (who throughout the album is either crapping on the material or misguidely trying to define it). Is the essence of 'rockism' believing you can elevate source material by individualising it? (Compare to Donna Summer's "Hot Stuff", which REALLY rocked the disco, or "Another One Bites the Dust", which subordinated itself completely to black radio conventions and thus absolutely KILLED every other dinosaur disco attempt.) 'DKTW' is one of those experiments that failed big enough to give rise to its own self-contained 'ecosystem' (everything's gone green!), and incidentally, Wakeman's 'contribution' would have Add N to X or Throbbing Gristle reaching for the earplugs!
"Madrigal" is a Howe/Anderson mellow thing that I'm sure is very nice, but with "Release, Release" we're back aboard the Event Horizon, and unlike Laurence Fishburne we haven't seen nearly enough yet. This is a fast, rockin' number, and if not for Anderson and Wakeman (who present a musicological problem as great and complex as the 'problem of free will to do evil' has for theologians - maybe it's the SAME problem!) it could be Tool OR the Talking Heads in the engine room, using the Lottery machine to generate time sigs as they do - until it breaks down into this bizarre middle section where crowd noise is overdubbed, and there's an unnaccompanied drum solo then a guitar solo - and they're both REALLY SHITTY! What were they trying to say here? "This is what the idiots who come to our show will eat up"? "This is as good if not better than the complicated stuff and our audience (and maybe us!) are too pretentious to realise it"? Or, heaven forbid, "THIS IS NEW WAVE? WE CAN DO THIS!"? That's two in a row where they faced down Freddy's mob ("Sheer Heart Attack") and tripped over their shoelaces! FWIW, the lyrics are sort of "Going for the One pt 2" - remember that one? "I tink I'll try and write a punchline/ but they're so hard to find in my cosmic mind/ so I think I'll take a look out the window"? This one talks about "Lack of concentration" and "we're not moving". Bauhaus all the way. As in letting the plumbing and electrical wires show, not as in lame goth shite.
The second side is what launched a thousand haircuts, and I can't imagine what it must've sounded like in 1978, but..."Arriving UFO". Poly "Klaatu Niktu Barada" Styrene fans complained about this one? More Wakeman keys that are abrasive and actually physically painful DESPITE WAKEMAN'S PROBABLE INTENTION (although he was probably sleeping in a gutter at the time), which makes all the difference. "Circus of Heaven". Twee pseudo reggae, which of course they can't do straight, but this time they subtract the beats instead of subdividing them, and if you're going to be 'twee' then go all the fucking way and have your five-year-old kid talk in the outro, which is what Anderson's done here. I actually like this song a lot. As 'ingenuousness' goes, this makes Jonathan Richman sound like Chuck D. Onward to "Onward". "Through the long night...the long night...of my li-i-i-i-i-ife..." A wedding song, and here's what to blame for every shitty AOR cash cow produced by Ron Nevison. Starship stole their whole career from this thing. Not only that, but Metallica stole ALL of "For Whom the Bell Tolls" from an incidental Howe noodle, which places those thrashing Napster nemesii 'zackly in the Bay Area post-hippie AOR context I'd always feared they secretly had the secret handshake too. Then there's the last track, which sounds like a band trying to be Yes, but without a clue. Like they're trying to learn "Siberian Khatru" off some old sheet-music but the music has mistakes in it and they have to keep going over it. I love it when bands parody themselves, don't you? Especially unintentionally!
Which brings us back to the Shameless Bid for Publicity of course!

dave q, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Personally, I think 'Relayer' is WAY overrated, except for "Sound Chaser". "Gates of Delirium", yecch. Sounds like bad Rush or Styx! You know something's awry when people talk about a "Battle Sequence" of a fucking SONG. 'Battlefield Earth', more like!

dave q, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the reason yes etc lost the "punk wars" of 1978 wasn't poor quality material but shocked self-doubt: they killed off tormato themselves, by backing nervously away from it

i haf a book which decodes anderson's religious politics as per his lyrics, ties em into a radical crit of established society blah blah so maybe not so much a shift into authentic feeling as concrete topics (however same book also claims that yes wd have been adorno's favourite rock group!!)

as per i shall be out of london on your magical gigging day dave q

mark s, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

More 'rockist disco' - those 'dropped beats' after the chorus in "Heart of Glass". If that was Chris Stein's idea, that's 'rockist' - if it was Mike Chapman's, it isn't!

dave q, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Then again, Abba plastered THEMSELVES all over "Voulez-Vous" and got away with it, is that 'rockist pop'?

dave q, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one girl = can still be rockism; two = can't

(this no longer applies ps)

mark s, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

they killed off tormato themselves, by backing nervously away from it

I think running away screaming might have been more effective.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ned, uh, I don't know quite how to bring this up, but...

(Clears throat)

I was told somewhere that you liked the Smashing Pumpkins.

dave q, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And? ;-) Thus is the eternal debate between how to do overkill right continued.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Blimey Dave. "Tormato" is bloody awful, and even "Drama" is better. To-day I have been on thee VERTIGO PROG binge (IE I have listened to "Cressida - Asylum" and "Gracious!") Perhaps it is me who belongs in thee asylum, but the k-k3wl harpsichord on "Gracious" does rule.

I think Dave Q should listen to "SMPTE" by TransAtlantic ASAP, and I think Ned should remember that Smashie Pumpkie wrote a trax0r called IIRC "Porcelina of the Vast Ocean" which even Jon ANderson (who RULE, F3WL) would have prob considered A BIT MUCH, LIKE.

BTW Yes = more working class than The Clash TRUE!!!!!

Norman Phay, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Porcelina" is sheer gorgeousness and then some, oh man, the way it all builds and builds and explodes and...ah. Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite songs. :-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

cnt say I'm pleased with tomato although I really like allot of Yes stuff.

Mike Hanle y, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Even 'Drama' is better'!? Well...the biggest problem I had with 'Drama' is the lyrics. Those new-wave, cubist lyrics ("You make/ a graph", "I am a camera, camera camera, camera camera") are - well, they're Buggles lyrics. They don't FIT, see? (Not that I had a knee- jerk reaction to the Buggles grafting - Downes was a good kybd choice, Wakeman had gone past the point of listenability into the bottom of a glass as far back as 'GFTO', Downes sounded like he was interested in the material). Proof of how contrived they were is that even Anderson himself wrote more convincing stripped-down lyrics (with Vangelis and on '90125', not that I liked any of that stuff). Some people swear by "Tempus Fugit", but it sounds like they're trying so hard to be good enough to live up to the brand name that what comes out is perfectly serviceable second-division prog (Saga, Prism, etc). Whereas the ego-loaded version of the band was a lot of things, but NEVER 'serviceable!'

As above, so below. The Yes engine room was always digging in the deepest when Wakeman and Anderson were threatening most to sail beyond the pale - the more tension, the more sparks, yes? (Whereas with the easy-going Buggles on board, they just settled down to make a serviceable etc.) Which also explains what went wrong with Smashy Pumpky - Corgan subjugated the band to such a ridiculous degree that they never had the counterweight of the sort that Squire/Bruford/Howe/White/Roger Dean etc gave Wakeman/Anderson. Corgan outsmarted himself, basically. As people who are fixated on revenge-on-the-world tend to do (cf Roger Waters)

dave q, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And if "Machine Messiah" isn't the worst song ever released by Yes, I'm winning the 'nicest poster' award!

dave q, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i heart dave q's Qs

Tormarrtow - not my favourite it must be said. Arid production, caked in mud. Wakeman and Howe still chasing eachother around the mix (just about worked on GFTO, not here). And they needed Trevor Horn to remind them how to really do short songs. Two standouts for me: "Onward" (really beautiful when done live) and "Release, Release". You are spot on about "DKTW", but it's still not v. good. Funniest moment: "On the Silent Wings..." - Even Jon can barely hit the top note (I bet this was take #47), and he never hit it again.

Re: Relayer - you keep saying it's overrated. I must have missed the anti-backlash piece. Until I see evidence of this, I must put down a reserve on your anti-anti-backlash.

Jeff W, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does anyone else like a lot of Yes lyrics? They're obviously drivel on any semantic level but Anderson seems to have a really finely honed knack for the sound, flow, and mood of words. They actually add something to the music to me, rolling and crackling with the tune and rhythm.

"In the end we'll agree, we'll accept, we'll immortalize."

BTW, how are the first two albums? I looked up the discography on the web yesterday and realized that I've heard nothing from the first two albums, which feature a different lineup from Fragile and most of the stuff on Classic Yes.

dave q is my unchallenged hero again. Maria was catching up for a while. Why isn't this on FT?

np: Classic Yes

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

six months pass...
BTW, how are the first two albums? I looked up the discography on the web yesterday and realized that I've heard nothing from the first two albums, which feature a different lineup from Fragile and most of the stuff on Classic Yes.

The first two albums are a different animal for the most part; they really took a quantum leap into their 'classic sound' on The Yes Album. That being said, the first two both definitely have their moments (especially the first, s/t album), and there is an appeal to the youthful sound of the band at this point (especially for those inclined to think them pompous) that would never come again, particularly due to the edginess and at times glorious sloppiness of Peter Banks's Rickenbacker combined with Tony Kaye's Hammond drives-- quite a contrast to the delicate classical guitar of Howe or the tinkling arpeggios of Wakeman. Much like you could hear traces of influence passing from Anthony Phillips to Steve Hackett in Genesis, one can also detect some traces of influence passing from Peter Banks to Steve Howe. The original material on the first album I think is quite strong, and the covers (Beatles' "Every Little Thing" and Byrds' "I See You") are also strong.

Second album, Time and a Word, is generally a step-down, mostly due to the ill-considered (and poorly mixed) addition of orchestra section (Banks objected, and apparently didn't get along at all with the producer; he left shortly afterwards), but still has some great moments, particularly "The Prophet" and their cover of Havens' "No Opportunity Necessary".

For a glimpse of what The Yes Album might have sounded like had Peter Banks stayed instead of Howe, I would highly recommend getting the first Flash album (the band Banks formed upon leaving Yes, also with Tony Kaye), where the music is more expanded...

Joe, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
I'm in love with Tormato. Wakeman's craziness only gives it character, like a six-vehicle pile-up in space.

Hotman Paris Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wlgH7Oec__s&mode=related&search=

such weird sounds from squire's bass and wtf keyboard wakeman plays
lol @ stock footage of ocean/whales

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 16 November 2006 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, the Yours is No Disgrace from '72 thing that links to is hot as shit.

Bill Magill (Bill Magill), Monday, 20 November 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Well it includes the best guitar/facemelt part ever.

MRZBW (MRZBW), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:04 (seventeen years ago) link

why wake up thread to remind of old dayz when dave q routinely entertained with awesomeness instead of what we got now :(

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean c'mon:

Personally, I think 'Relayer' is WAY overrated, except for "Sound Chaser". "Gates of Delirium", yecch. Sounds like bad Rush or Styx! You know something's awry when people talk about a "Battle Sequence" of a fucking SONG. 'Battlefield Earth', more like!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

revive!!!!!!!!

geeta, Friday, 10 June 2011 07:13 (twelve years ago) link

I was really hoping there would be naked Norwegian krautrockers on this thread.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Friday, 10 June 2011 09:51 (twelve years ago) link


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